another minute oh I jump the gun yeah one minute all right power Str y mine's not going yet it's close Okay how many meetings did we have last year one two was that only two and we only decided something at one of
them we just got together and kind had a little party and each Board of adjustment meeting for Wednesday February 19th 2025 can uh we please have a call to a roll call or we'll do that next let's do
the pledge allegiance first I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible withy and justice for all thank
you guess how about a nice roll call yeah roll call um Hayes here auger here here Goldberg here Anderson here uh
Cole no I'm sorry yes Carolyn Carolyn Caroline sorry I'm looking at you Carolyn yeah let's welcome our new member Carolyn wers formerly a City Commissioner what a pleasure and uh is there going to be any
disclosure of conflicts of any kind drugs no you know you drove by the place a thousand times yeah I've visited the site and uh so what do we do now are you going to open up you know we have to
have our election for the officers so usually the attorney will ask for nominations um all right yes I apologize I didn't didn't know that we were doing that today but um we have right normally
we do it in January okay you know this is the first meeting year since January okay um yes so I would I would request nominations then for president yes would be the first one any nominations I'll nominate Carolyn since she came from the
commissioner's team I don't think she can an alternate oh you oh you're an alternate yeah oh I didn't know that I'm sorry but you're a good alternate yeah great alternate I nominate Don Haynes I second okay any other nominations all in favor
I I okay so that's it so now we got to nominate a vice chairman this is like my 25th year maybe the 20th year as chairman I can't remember I didn't have any gr here how long have you been on the board six years okay Michael have you served as Vice chair yet I would
decline that nomination oh you what I would decline the nomination thank you you can't I can no I can I Den I nominate get Ron Boger okay should know how to say your last name Boger Boer
I'll second that if we if I can can I second as a chair a nomination um I'll second it it would yes it would be better thank you keeps me out of it okay so we have a chair and a vice chair so we're going to have a good year
we take V excuse me all in favor all in favor oh we didn't vote for we didn't vote okay let's vote any other wait any others no no one wants it all in favor eyes we got I I thank you okay so now we have the uh special
presentation there is none okay then we have the uh public comment yeah we do that uh sir I know you mentioned to me what you you're allowed to do in the hallway that you were here for the case
once we sto the case is when you may want to stand up this is like public count uh comment for other things than the case that's going to be presented okay I mean just any general comment yeah you can make a general comment there yeah just your name and
address please okay I'm uh James Roo I live at 4405 Ocean Beach Boulevard uh just to kind of give you the location of that I'm right across the yellow house right across from the sandb bar okay put a lot of money there uh to do a extensive
renovation u i see a lot of crosswalks which are wonderful going up and down A1A all the time okay and great for safety and everything else but my personal opinion living at the sand not living at The Sandbar but living across
from The Sandbar there is a tremendous amount of traffic especially now even with Twisted Tides crossing over to the sandb bar and the buses rip in the front of my house going 35 miles an hour I've clocked them all the time and what we
really need like in Cape Canaveral and other surrounded cities we need even a a a warning sign that would say would blink like hey you're in 25 mph as they go which is automatic it's not going to cost anything I'd even pay for it actually to slow that traffic down
before coming it was a person killed there on a scooter last year if yall recall so it is not a very and at night it is very very dark because of the turtles but uh that's would be one comment I would say is that we ought to
you know you know hand it to the police department they come and they you know they put the decoys up there which is great but we really need a good uh crosswalk there to slow that traffic down thank you sir nams thank you thank
you thank you James okay do we have any staff reports no board members want to make a report on anything not me any reason why we aren't having any more meetings uh I think yes we have we
do have some new uh we've got a couple options on our our op a couple things we have to take care of you got the minutes from the last meeting you got chair and vice president or vice chair just got approved um and we also have to do a
year in review along with the new business that we're here for oh no I I more meant why why we have such an absentee of of meetings this last past year we haven't are we having administrative yeah we just appr anybody
that wanted to go for variances or special exceptions we're going to we're we'll take this offline but um we'll probably have more this year okay yeah I'm interested in that as well I want to make sure we're assisting citizens to get here if they need
to did you also mention maybe another meeting the other day you mentioned to me about explaining the sunshine G Garrett and I talked about going through the sunshine log in and orientation for everybody do we need to do that everybody on this board's already heard it yeah we've done it a couple times
yeah we've all attended I'm sure well we had we had a new member so I that's what I told him I said well he said he had a presentation too if you wants PowerPoint well I think Carolyn is versed in the Sunshine Law I think so and we've all been through the orientation so yeah
probably so I agree and some of us twice three times okay so wait are we going to do the sunshine are we going to redo that like well maybe it can be so my question is do we all need to do it again if we've already done it and the alternate is
obviously done it good question I don't know who would make that determination it may be the city manager it may be Mr David back there but well I can run it by Garrett and see what he thinks if you guys are all up to speed
he may not have a need to do it yes if nothing is materially changed I do not want to do that again for no other reason than fa I'm not aware of any local requirements or state requirements require a uh a board to go through a c
specific number or duration of uh you know training so I think it's strictly up to the uh board what your at your discretion yeah if something's materially changed yes I'd like to know if not let's not do the same presentation that doesn't make any sense
so along those lines um we don't need to resubmit a financial disclosure if we've already done that too right annually that has to be done annually yeah every I think July 1st or something yes you'll get a notice okay and you know what I was the only
person in the State of Florida that ever paid the fine I kept getting it and I got tired of filling them out every year and I threw it in the trash can they kept sending it to me then they sent me certified letter saying starting this day you owe $25 a day I nailed in 150 bucks they said I was the only guy who
did it didn't you tell me you were chairman didn't matter I just kep copies every year nothing changes at least my but anyways the next thing on the agenda is the approval of the minutes from
September move to approve of the minutes second any discussion all in favor I I okay that's done then on the new business we got our case I believe I think uh who's going to announce the case you is I I'll take it
from here then yeah um this this is a request for a special exception um it's to permit a medical marijuana dispensary at 4300 North Atlantic in accordance with the land code chapter 4 section 4-
43 this item was properly advertised and the the record includes documentation to that effect as well um the property is in the Gateway Redevelopment subdistrict based on the code a marijuana dispensary
is allowed but must be approved via special exceptions all right um Mr Hayes will you start us off with the quasa judicial script we normally I didn't quite hear you will you start us off with the quasa judicial
script start where me yes okay where is that do you have the quide judicial script yes it does I think it's that top I don't know that top page you're holding right
there m yes yes the attorney explore disclosures we already did explore the discl the attorney did the next page says are there any other individuals who would like to be qualified as expert Witnesses this is all new to me hey Stephanie yes this is new we're on
number three I think that for you yes okay I didn't know that everyone okay um my apologies everyone we're working out a new script here that we're using so a little bit of please bear with you brought um all right the
full print out uh only the chair has the script you all I don't believe you all have copies yes um a request for a special exception is quasi judicial in nature which requires our public hearing to comply with procedural requirements established in
Florida law quasi judicial proceedings are less formal than proceedings before a circuit court but are more formal than normal meetings and must follow basic standards of notice and due process please note that only competent substantial fast fact-based testimony or
evidence will be considered by the board in deciding the Quasi judicial matters listed on today's agenda pure speculation or mere opinion not based on competent facts cannot be legally considered by the board in weighing the
appropriateness of the Quasi judicial application citizen testimony with fact-based support such as minutes surveys engineering reports and so on will be considered competent and substantial evidence if you intend to
speak or offer testimony on a public hearing agenda item that is quasi judicial please keep this in mind finally when you approach the podium to speak on a quasi judicial matter please state your name complete physical and mailing address whether you
live in the city and whether or not you have been sworn all comments and presentations other than those on behalf of the applicant or the city will be limited to 3 minutes only one present presentation may be made by any person people cannot
give others their time to increase the 3-minute limit at this time if and this is a little repetitive I apologize if any board member has a conflict of interest that would prohibit them from voting on this item please disclose this for the record complete the required voting
conflict form and provide it to the we don't have the city clerk is not here so could provide it to um one of us yes no no conflicts okay if any board member has had any expar communication to
disclose please let us know the subject discussed and the identity of the person group or entity with whom the communication took place any correspondence that you received about this matter or observations made of the site you want to PLL each person or can
we all just say you can go sort of one by one did you receive any emails I I have I haven't re received any emails or spoken with anybody the only thing I've done is look over the property physically look at the property okay I have no conflict I have no need the same
as R okay I have no conflict no conflict okay thank you is there a motion to accept the agenda backup materials from staff into evidence this will make it a part of the record and so the motion would be I move to accept the staff packet into evidence
I move to accept the staff packet into evidence second all in favor I I thank you are there any individuals who would like to be qualified as an expert witness on behalf of the applicant at this time no um if any individual including
the applicant experts staff or members of the public plan to speak or offer testimony during the public hearing please rise and be sworn okay um please raise your right hand do
you swear to affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth in these proceedings yes sir I okay I went to the university fla in the 9s will the applicant please proceed with the presentation on this
item can I ask a question is this the first Medical Marijuana store in Coco Beach no there there's one other one over by a there yeah were were they they did not go up in front of the board
did they yes they did years ago long okay thank you question as an alternate am i v no go ahead sorry sorry good evening Cole Oliver uh with rossway Swan here on behalf of the
applicant um my address is 1900 South Harbor City Boulevard Melbourne Florida is my law firm's address I am not a resident of Coco Beach but I'm a property owner in Coco Beach here to uh again to make the presentation on behalf of the applicant and really to answer
any questions that you are the public might have as to the operations of the facility if it's you know so approved by this board before I dive into that real quick because it does tie into the elements that we have to show for the special exception there is one other uh
dispensary within the city it is also located in a similar zoning district and that it's in the Redevelopment District different subdistricts it's believe I believe it's in the Town Center District while this property is in the Gateway District but very very similar permitted
uses within that those different subd developments or subd districts uh additionally it's also located in the same future land use designation which is a Redevelopment designation as well so two properties same zoning District same
land use hopefully it'll be a similar application of the the criteria that we look at because the first one that we do look at is the compatibility with uh other permitted uses within the districts and you know as we said this board though may have been made up of of
different individuals this board as an entity made the distinction in the previous application that dispensaries are compatible with the permitted uses within the Redevelopment districts and we're asking for the same thing as an
example of other uses that are within the district that we're in is it's already permitted bars and restaurants other pharmacies tattoo parlors shops it's you know we've all been there and been through this intersection a lot there's a lot of activity there um you
know kind of another tick towards the compatibility with permitted uses is that and this also will tie into the consistency with the comp plan within the Redevelopment districts is one of the key elements is the uh the traffic
and the vehicular uh movements that come with um development or Redevelopment within the area and the Traffic Engineers who we have spoke to can show and have shown that a Redevelopment of
this size Bank facility which is what we look at it now as its existing use would be half of the traffic gener or a medical dispensary would generate half the traffic during the peak hours which is when they measure when it really affects the road so it's it's a
reduction in traffic volume from you know the engineering perspective of it um you know the other though it's listed as number two in our um in the code you know that's kind of the zoning criteria is compatibility with the neighboring
uses the second one is the com uh consistency with a comprehensive plan which is your your highest level of land use planning within a uh City and you know again the the other dispensary has been permitted within this the same comp
plan designation and the consistency that we would look at is it is a Redevelopment of an underutilized property at this time that has set vacant for years as um you know the existing bank and also it it serves the Redevelopment District's goals of
lowering traffic while at the same time reutilizing the underlying underutilized site um the third final box is the question is whether the use is or is not detrimental to surrounding properties businesses or
traffic flows taking them in reverse traffic flows we've already you know made the assertion and statement that this is a reduction in traffic flows so it's hard to say that that's a detriment to the surrounding properties when we're removing traffic from you know the area
as far as surrounding properties in businesses you know we've talked with staff and asked if the other dispensary has received any complaints as far as criminal activity or any of that type of behavior around it and they said no
there's been none you know for the State of Florida regulates these very very tight much tighter than a lot of the other uses and you know this facility is open only during a specific hours I believe 9:00 p.m. is the latest they're
Allowed by law to operate and you know my colleague here can talk more to the operations of the facility but it's my understanding that you can't even go in there unless you you have a doctor's prescription for this so and that way it's a much tighter regulated use it's
there's not a lot of activity coming in and out and um they even regulate the signage so you can't have um paraphernalia showing on the signage or any of that type of stuff and um you know so as to the surrounding properties
we think that this use is a very good neighbor it's it's low intensity from a traffic perspective it's low intensity from the number of people coming and going and then you know we have some of the tightest security of anyone around with the amount of cameras
and keeping the the facility secure from anyone coming and going that's unauthorized under the law to be there um you know so that's kind of the three main boxes under the special exception criteria that this board looks at and you we're we're here to answer any
questions that we can if if you all this board or the general public has questions on the operations of the facil facility and how we can be a good neighbor to the community um you know I would point out one final you know criteria
are the way the the code is written is it's a special exception but Pharmacy anywhere phies are allowed the dispensaries are allowed under the same criteria and directly C catty corner to this there is two existing pharmacist
CVS and Walgreens and you know look I'm not going to get into their business but I would say that we're tighter regulated than they are even though you can receive stronger substances from their
stores you can from a a medical marijuana dispenser so you know with that unless you have any specific questions to us on the operations that would be our presentation and ask for to you all tonight how many locations do
you have uh I'm let uh introduce my colleague and let him speak to that yeah hey uh Kyle Wood 727 Brook Haven Drive Orlando Florida um not a resident of Coco Beach
um uh to your question so Eden as a company and I'm I'm not an employee of Eden I'll I'll state that I I work more on the real estate side but I am here representing them today um Eden as a company is uh one of the newer lenses in
the state so they're in the process of rolling out Stores um right now they've got about five in the pipeline at various stages uh this would likely be the second or third store that is opened for them as a brand um the the company
itself is the 25th lensey uh under that's been licensed by the state they received the 25th license um entirely locally owned and when I say local Central Florida owned um they're not
what uh is called a multi-state operator uh so they're not an MSO that is based out of some other state and is coming in to uh to start operations so um community-based uh entity really focuses
on Wellness more so than um some of the other effects of of cannabis uh and that would be their intent here I think in the in the package there's some preliminary renderings of the store to give an idea of uh the aesthetic and the
theme like Cole said from a security standpoint everything that they're that they're able to do is regulated by the state they can't open a door until the state says that they're approved to do so um every product that gets sold has to be tested and approved by the state
before it can be before it can be sold um and they regulate everything from business hours to Packaging um their colors for instance they can only use I think it's three uh colors in their logos so um it's not something
that you're going to see LED lights flashing you're not going to see uh symbols for you know plant material uh plastered on Windows or on signage um and in order to go in and use the facility uh you do have to have a
medical state issued medical prescription card um to do that so um happy to answer any other questions about the operations as well yes sir um this is a little concerned with the security team rooted
in military experience and later on it says military trained expertise with regard to security why is it felt that something that heavy is needed why why why why why is the security level
needed that much higher for this operation than for any other sure appreciate the question um so part of Eden's main um edict in them as a company and and what they hope to kind
of contribute to the community is a really high focus on hiring veterans um and right now as they're growing um almost half of their Workforce are veteran based um employees so these are people that have were in you know Army Navy Air Force in various capacities and
so from a security standpoint uh their director of security um was uh former military uh Logistics and so um I think it's a better analogy not to picture uh a military training per se in terms of
fighting and defending a position but rather uh very structured and uh procedure-based uh approach so um everything that they do there's there's extensive cameras into interior and exterior audio and video so um it's not
uncommon that uh something happens at a nextdoor neighbor and um the authorities come to Eden and ask for help with um evidence for instance that might have been captured uh over there so um it's more of that uh that approach from a a
structured policy and procedure uh standpoint and not uh not cutting Corners I think and it is this still primarily a cash phas business um yes and no uh yes in that uh
you cannot purchase the product with a federally backed credit card um however you can purchase the product uh with a debit card uh and so uh there are still a lot of people who transact in cash but
more and more it's a debit card-based uh transaction uh there there will be cash obviously like any retail business um uh in the facility for those who who tend to utilize it and that cash is handled just like uh other cash-based
businesses with third- party um pickup and and handling of uh of cash what's your uh plans for the drive-thru and do you plan on utilizing that is that legal to utilize uh it is legal to utilize um the state allows it
uh you see it as an amenity um it allows people to Place their order either online or in their vehicle and uh and pick up without having to get out and come into the store um unlike the bank that was there uh
certainly won't be utilizing multiple Lanes it would just be one uh one window is there a security issue there involved I've never seen a drive-thru in a marijuana medical store no so so the process um they are they are in use um
there's there's several around the state uh the process for a transaction is that um whether you're whether you're coming up to the window in your car or coming in in person uh you have to be signed in uh so you have to present identification at the at the front desk um that person
will sign you in make sure you are who you say you are and make sure that your your license is up to date and valid and the state for every license that's issued they allow that person to purchase a certain quantity as well so that quantity is tracked in the system
so if someone's trying to overuse for instance um they they don't allow that to happen because that quantity track so can't sell any more than than that allocation so um that identification cards presented uh the product is either pre-ordered or ordered uh right there in
person um it's input into the system every single every single package is tracked by the state uh in a software system um and so uh the state knows exactly who is buying what from what
batch and and here's how it tested uh and it's then dispensed and when I say dispensed it's it's handed to the customer customer pays for it and it's logged into the system that uh that that was dispensed and so from a drive-through standpoint the process would be would be much the same and and
that verification would all happen before the products pushed out okay but along those lines I I believe when someone comes into the store only they can go through they can't like bring a child with or somebody else with them right uh you can a card holder can bring
a guest with them um while they're there obviously that guest has no power to do anything they have to receive a a visitor badge actually to be identified as a as a non-licensed visitor um there are cases in which uh many many
children I don't want to say many many but there are children that do um come into dispensaries from time to time because a lot of children um actually use the product and so they have a card and then their parent has a a caregiver card and that allows them to to purchase
product that helps with all kinds of things epilepsy and other other uh conditions well how do you deal with that if they're in a car though I'm sorry if they're in a car and you have four people in this car they drive the drive-thru how do you deal with that so everyone has to be seen physically
picture verified um and and the process is much the same uh the the state does allow delivery as well so um not that that goes to to your question but uh the drive-through aspect
of that's kind of you know I would say in between someone coming into the store and purchasing it and and it actually being brought to your house and and dropped off and that is legal and that does happen as well what is the uh annual projected revenue for this business
um I I wish I could tell you that uh you got to have a business plan every every store right every store is different uh I'm not pry to to all the information but um you know the the successful ones I I'll answer it I'll answer it this way um if anyone is interested in seeing uh
the amount of activity that happens with any dispensary whether it's Eden or any other uh any other company you can go online to Florida ommu that's Florida office of medical marijuana use and every single week the state reports
exactly how much product was sold across the state by every single uh liy and um you can you can get a feel for how much product is sold every single week throughout the state um right now there are um I want to say at last count there
are about 600 dispensaries across the state currently so you have no idea what the annual revenue will be I think they hope it's High um obviously uh well I'm just trying to get a a reference point compared to all the other retail locations in the area I mean is this
going to be the highest grossing location that we have in the city or is it just another normal business that's coming in that's a I don't I'm not sure you would ask that if I had a business and I was asked that I would be uncomfortable well we have never at
least asked anyone with their yeah I'm not going to ask him what he's making as a GC no but we're here approving a new location that's going to be driving a lot of traffic I'm just saying I don't know if it's legal enough but we just have never we stay away from the money questions and and you know maybe one way
uh you know Kyle is on the real estate side so he's not privy to the necessarily the business side but fdot in their traffic analysis takes the average of all the sites across the state and they come up with a number to the traffic question um of how many
people are coming and going and as I was stating earlier that is half the number of what an existing bank at that location would be so yeah unfortunately we don't get the actual numbers of of what they're making have any stores ever been robbed
with all your security I've not heard of any you know but that's anecdotal um I'm sure like anything in the world something can be robbed and has been if it can be done um but I've not heard of any in the state and um I don't know if you have either
no I I'll mention one other thing too the State of Florida does things a little bit different than some other states as I understand it and one of the requirements physically is that all of the product must be stored in a Secure Vault um and so uh to that question I
think uh I think it certainly would not be the easiest place to uh to commit a robbery if someone's looking for uh somewhere to break in and steal some valuable Goods how long is your are you aware of how long the other licens dispensary within the city limits has been operating you're one competitor I
think it was approved a couple years ago um I'm not though I I was trying to find that before but I before I was here so that' be more than two years ago be more than two three years ago I haven't heard of any issues with the other one has anyone heard of any issues or problems know where it is I think it's by Ace
Hardware isn't it yeah in the shopping center before it's between the Ace Hardware and the ABC uh liquor store there yeah I'm just uh Cory I assume the public was noticed did you guys receive any uh emails or digital Communications
either in support or against no okay so and and they were noticed like you normally notice the people within the area oh yeah everybody within they did everything that the special exception code called for 300t radius everybody
had to get mailed um signs were put out 30 days prior Florida today was notified as well so and no digital Communications for against okay but Mr for we do have a couple audience members here who I think you know would like to speak and yeah my experience is they're
not gener here to speak in favor of okay so let's project so can we move to them then does anyone have any other questions if there's other questions for us uh otherwise if not we would like to reserve some time to answer any questions or comments that are brought up by the public thank you the next one
is c a presentation sort of doing it a little differently now yes staff will will give a presentation staff making recommendations now no they just given a presentation normally we used to do it first staff would get up present the case then depends on depends on what it
is I mean like in September I did give a presentation to make sure that everybody was clear where the lines were on the property and all that um this doesn't seem like there's anything else that wasn't in the packet for you guys okay
so now we can hear public comment sure sounds good uh James Rayo again 445 Ocean Beach Boulevard current resident of Coco Beach for over eight years I lived there on that corner I did not get a notice and none of our neighbors got a notice about
a marijuana dispensary being located in Bank of America I used Bank of America for my last8 years here uh as I recall they were closed at 4:00 and they and it's a very small parking lot there and
it was never crowded and that's why Bank of America shut that shut that Branch down okay it's apples and oranges what they're talking about a fall location okay the other one is in a shopping center big big parking lot and everything plenty of parking and
everything else you're talking about a shop okay that's just a block from my house basically 300 ft is is a football field okay in the traffic in the mornings at that bus stop that they don't call that area gateway to for for
no reason okay you got buses coming to Ron Johns all through the summer tons of people in that area coming from the cruise ships now it's a spot and everything else and do you really want a marijuana store right at that Corner the biggest Corner in Coco Beach this is
where I moved to the city so that you can protect myself and not live in the county okay terrible terrible location my kids play at Moy Park under that tree because I can't get a play area from the city okay they swing on that tree there
okay in the marijuana dispensary I can watch vagrants and everybody else God bless them come back from the beach every morning that's sleeping there which is against state law okay from Ronda Santos they come out every morning they sleeping in the woods I smell
marijuana from those Pavilion of because of the Winds and everybody else and I'm representing seven residents along East Valia okay I wouldn't spoke to every single one of them this is a real bad idea real bad idea for the Kitt for for
the city okay uh I'll draw your attention to the National Library of Medicine okay which looks at this on a national level okay and this is typically what happens okay you choose a
location with low assessments not the big fancy Waterfront around this area here retirees right Tim and things like that because it's like really for Coco Beach it's kind of the lower income retired
area so that's why you're putting it there at at the old Bank of America 100 billion ion Dollar business uh making 25 billion a year net okay and we can't find a place with a local uh a person a
real estate that that would would maybe have advantage of a sale and that's about two points is location and the marijuana in the in the in itself okay so we have a God no disrespect we have Melbourne we have Orlando where's Le
where's Eaton's headquarters at they aren't in the city of Coco Beach I guarantee you do you even know I thought it was Central Florida yeah excuse me this was public comment I mean if you guys would like me to go back we'll Circle back but um usually
that's not allowed so I just defer to the board on what you guys want me to do you get a chance appreciate it thank you also I think is he limited to 3 minutes M yes and okay I don't got a Time clock on or I was running still good the the three minutes are off yes not
three minutes off okay I thought you could I I started it I have my phone right here I thought the notice said that I can get an additional three minutes if I represent a a group of people or an organization or something
like that if I'm going to stop at 3 minutes that's fine okay I don't see that in our code okay did we cover any foot traffic did we cover foot traffic we just talk about you said
so Mel the joke you made out talking excuse me what I said is that you can't sir you cannot be talking to the people like that if you want to talk to us you come up and give your name and address we don't I don't want any confrontations please
sir please sir no confrontations from the audience thank you okay well that's all I've got to say okay but they can come up and speak we can ask them questions yes back please
please have you ever actually seen a marijuana medical facility yes I sure have have you ever hung out there and watched the traffic and I I've seen it I I'm retired retired Air working for the Air Force in Colorado Springs I just to
do my nosy went there and let me tell you this particular place was busy constantly in our in and out cars all the time I mean it was a busy busy busy busy place you know that Colorado is recreationally legal right yes it is not
recreationally illegal here so we're dealing with a different business we're dealing with a medical marijuana facility much like a pharmacy you understand that right right they're very regulated I've never seen this foot traffic you're talking about I I work across from one I see traffic but I don't it's no different than any other
business well the one next to Ace Hardware I've never seen anyone one come in or out of it at all when I go to Ace Hardware two or three times it's my observation is that it appears to be a very low impact business next to the Ace Hardware uh and I all it did was
make an old building seem a little bit nicer that's the one impact I've noticed and the one on 520 in merid island is the same thing you go there and there might be one person in the store at a time you're not like bunch of people that's what I was asking about the revenue project to your point though we
are trying to get it legal again in this State I don't know how that impacts a medical facility but it didn't pass well it's going up again apparently but it will pass eventually probably who knows who knows all I know is I live there I
don't know I don't recognize any of y'all from my neighborhood but I live there and the foot traffic and everything else it's it's not going to get any better I'll tell you that right now it's not going to get any better in defense of the city uh on this map here
is's a red circle to 300 ft you talk about right so your home is outside of the red circle so that's probably why you didn't get a notice or well even going up the street they didn't get notices is it because of the park I can send you all the addresses of everybody
that was in that 300 foot area okay and it's probably businesses yeah I it's all residential I mean it's all commercial right it's going to be done correctly I just want to confirm that okay it was the city has they get some return you know you always
get a couple returns so and I have those as well well you know that's commercial and residential I mean you know that's what Coco Beach stands for and that's why I moved over here was to keep all the franchises out and to keep you know keep it a home a small town community
and again I invite you to go look online is is a marijuana Stills good or bad for small for small towns okay and it's point after point after point it is not a good thing it is not a good thing okay
and I'm not you can go read it yourself okay thank you thank you is there anyone else who'd like to come up and see please John Lo 444 Dempsey Drive Coco Beach I am a resident of the city my comments tonight are not going to be for
or against the the usage of the property I'm not going to speak to that I have an opinion but that's not what what I want to say what I want to say is just just because of the nature of the application I think it would be prudent if a member of the bo uh of the of the
board or maybe a city staff member would do a background check on Eden Florida LLC if they do have operating facilities that you said that you're new company so maybe there's not an operating facility yet but if there is I think it would
just be due diligence to just check with that location maybe the police department in that location see if there's been any issues hopefully not um could check with the state of Florida the agency that regulates the medical marijuana industry just to do
due diligence on the applicant I'm not trying to say for or against just do more due diligence you know just this is my own personal opinion I would look at this a little different than a bicycle shop or an ice cream shop or a t-shirt
shop it's a little bit different I'm not saying it's good or bad I just think maybe dig a little deeper and just do a a standard background check like you would do if you were hiring a person thank you sir your Point's well taken I think we are constrained I think it's
good to do due diligence and background checks uh just my comment is is I believe is the board we are constrained as to what we can undertake in terms of those kinds of background checks relative to anything else that's just like like I think that we have to treat
all businesses the same unless there's some directive that we're given chairman I re approach sure I don't think you ate up your three minutes yet um what you say sir may be true I I don't know but if that is the case uh I respect that of course then perhaps a
city staff member they're not going to be constrained for that um I still think I still think it's a valid point perhaps the board is not the right entity to do that though sir sir have you done any research or done any digging at this point I no I have not I don't I don't I
don't know what it would find I don't there's not something that I know that's there that I'm trying to lead you to I don't know I'm just saying just due diligence just just what you would do for any other state does bet them very harshly I mean they can't open a facility it's probably the most highly
regulated business in the state that that doesn't speak to what happens in a location when actually have in a city in Florida what what what paperwork is in Tallahassee does not reflect what's going on in a city in Florida because
this is our city and whatever's happening in other cities is going to happen here I just said let's just check the applicant I'm sure there's good operators in this space I'm sure there's not good operators in this space is Eden Florida LLC is that a good operator I
don't know so I don't know what the background check would find hopefully it finds good stuff than for me the question of security is I don't have to look that for we've got a similar business that's been operating I'm a resident here I've heard absolutely
nothing if I didn't go jogging by or go to a hardware I wouldn't see the other place and I I think I've never seen police there seen less police there than I have at sandb bar or coconuts or you know and a medical marijuana
store is completely different than a recreational marijuana store I mean it's completely different do we do we have any additional public comment anyone else can you speak for me my hearing is awful Jimmy I live my name Mark far I
live in 44 15 Ocean Beach Boulevard I've been there for 42 years my grandad I bought the house in 56 most my life yeah you got to approach the podium someone's got to go awful I just told J other two
questions one is uh and I'm all for medical marijuana and I don't have a problem with recreational marijuana I when I was a kid I haven't smoked in years but my question is if in 2 years there was another ballot
initiative do the medical marijuana places automatically be allowed to sell recreational because I have been to I've seen the stores I have a friend out in Oakland California he took me to one I was interested in buying any I was driving a truck at the time I'm also a
contractor and uh I mean they had guys with them now this was Oakland they had guys with them 16s and I mean outside was a zoo and uh I'm already discussed it well I I remember when there were sand dunes across the street from my
house and now yeah there condos and uh I'm already disgusted with the traffic and the growth of the city I still wish we had dirt roads but uh but if it does become legal recreationally I'm not so sure that the
medical will cause all that much traffic but if it becomes legal recreationally I'd like to see it in more of a commercial area not so close to uh you know our homes and where young young kids are and you know the traffic
then and like I said I have no problem I I have no problem with it being legal but uh the locations those stores and and I've been I've driven all over the country and I've been places like Oklahoma where it's act believe it or not it's actually legal
recreationally and then you do have the flashing pot leaves and all that stuff and you see lot of cars in the parking lots and uh my fear is that sooner or later to me Common Sense say they'll Legalize It and tax it and
then those those businesses I mean I personally I I think people should be allowed to grow it but but I'm worried that the traffic which is already terrible at that corner I mean getting here was a couple minutes late cuz that light's so damn long and uh it's just
going to get crazier and obviously the hours of operation if it is put into effect I think should be like banking hours but anyway so much for that I I just don't want it to get any busier at that corner I have no problem with these
gentlemen and I'm sure their company's reputable I just wish it was a different location more like a shopping mall or something yeah yeah thank you thank you so I can't hear that well but I can talk I guess thank you
is there any more comments I'd like to make a motion to approve uh I think we got to wait a few more we haven't had discussion yet either oh we haven't we got to close public hearing I think we give him a chance to rebuttal something yes so thank you uh just kind of real
quick taking um uh the commentary from back to front uh the question on the medical versus recreational what could happen in the future we don't know but the facility and the operations would still be regulated by the state it's just the user that may be able to use it
and the signage and that aspect that would still be regulated under the municipalities existing signs and you know any other rules that the city has in effect at that time um as to the the the the due diligence question you know
thank you for that uh we forgot to mention you know all of the employees that work in the facility are background checked and screened The Entity is regulated by the state of Florida and the State of Florida has the right to come in at any a moment's notice and and
inspect the facility with no notice to The Operators they can just walk in and do an inventory check and make sure everything's you know as it's supposed to be and if it's not they can yank your license like that it's gone um so you
know I don't think it's a criteria that could be before the board tonight but it is one that is a valid question and it is regulated by the St so if the operations if the residents feel like the operations aren't in conformance with state law they can call the state they'll send an inspector in and if
they're correct it's shut down um and then you know finally the the first uh gentleman the notices and the addresses which the notices were pulled from those addresses were all pulled from the gis system that Bard County you you apply to
it you give them the radius and the address and they send you the addresses it gets mailed out I don't personally know how many residential uh addresses were in there versus business addresses given the location is totally surrounded immediately adjacent to it at least via other commercial properties I I I don't
know to the extent of how many houses were caught up into it um on the hours of operation though Bank of America at that in the last couple of years has closed at four there's no real banking hour set by the city or the state they can be open as late as they want if they
chose to do so where whereas our operation is regulated by state law it's hours of operations and then we don't have the option to stay open later if it's really busy it's sorry you got to go home um you know the parking lot we meet all the city codes and regulations
as to the number of spots that are required for a facility and you know that's we're not changing the size of the building at all if anything it's just going to be a less intense use both from a number of people coming in and the number of cars that'll be visiting
the site um and then there was some talk about Colorado and experience there that's a very different state different laws different regulations as to who he can use it so Florida is a much tighter
regulations on it and you know personal observation for what it's worth is it's very very different and less intense use um so you know with that if the board has any questions that come up during your discussion we're here we're happy to answer them to the best of our
ability I appreciate your time and patience tonight and um we would appreciate your support thank you yeah so sir I close public comment otherwise would these meetings would this is just to the C attorney if I could if I could ask a
question you'll have to come up you're I'll give you a chance go ahead if this particular industry is so regulated by the state and by the county then why does this city run and run
basically run uh after the Airbnb and run after VRBO in short-term rentals constantly okay to bring on more staff and everything else when you've got state regulations on short-term rent
you have County regulations to show tournaments again this is why we have a city to control these things that's a thank you I'll make I'll answer that very simple if you look at the police reports to vrbos and airbnbs how many calls they get and complaints against
them it's amazing how many they get and they probably had two maybe at truly leave in the last three years so that's where that's why the state in the cities are heavy regulating or trying to it's irr that's all
I okay we close that uh we're going to leave it up to us to discuss it yeah I I got to I'm still confused by this whole thing we don't have a motion in a second yet don't have a what we're just discussing this now right okay is this I mean there's
nothing objective here right I mean we're not looking at a size of a fence or somebody's property it's really a moral subjective decision by the board where we want a medical pharmac a marijuana Pharmacy in or not in our community and there's already one
there we want an additional one right if if I may your decision today has to be based on the three criteria set forth in your code and of no relevance decisions have no relevance to the present case you have to judge the
case on its own yes we have one allow another one precisely and so the three criteria you're looking at today the first one is whether the proposed use that is the medical marijuana dispensary use is compatible with permitted uses in in the applicable
zoning District so what's already permitted in that type of zoning district and um your planning staff can can elaborate a little bit more on that if you would like yeah but just simply the the staff that is allowed right the answer is yes I mean everything's a yes
okay a special assess okay whether the uses or not detrimental to surrounding Properties or traffic flows okay that's a subjective question to us yeah and then the other one whether the proposed special exception is consistent with the comprehensive plan the answer from staff is yes so the only okay so your point is
we're only talking about the second criteria okay I get it if if I may it says it says the criteria include those three items which kind of implies that there are other
criteria I that is an astute observation I I looked at your code and the the phrasing that the code uses is a little bit wonky so it's not laid out in this nice you know three criteria list it's kind of all mush together in a paragraph
but but this is really um this includes everything that that you need to look at today so that phrasing is a um you know little squishy because what's in the code's a little squishy but but this is really what you need to evaluate for our next one and City staff says one items
one and three are affirmative okay excellent okay yeah I get what you're saying I mean I guess we got to decide do we want this kind of facility there if you look at other facilities and other towns and compare them there you know you can have bad towns I'm sure we
have other facilities in this town we have other facilities in surrounding towns that aren't really an issue the issue may be at one point if it does become legal do they have a stand to become a legal marijuana plant and do we want that at the Gateway in the front
yeah I mean we also have I if I had my brothers the Gateway would be much different but that's not what the Invisible Hand of the market has given us for our Gateway and the the commission to incentivize other businesses but we get what we get I mean
right now it's a blighted vacant Bank yeah and we got a blighted vacant hotel for 10 years next to that okay yeah so we got the blighted bacon Bank okay and if it's not bled we'll have like employees and like lights and stuff like that's good it's been like 12 years I think if
someone wants to take something that's blighted and make it not blighted in our city and it's legal that's a good thing yes Carol um so looking at this and I mean I think one of the criterias is when the use is found not to be DET
not to be detrimental the surrounding properties um I kind of have to fall back on what this gentleman said I kind of have to sympathize with him I I've been around that area early in the morning and at night and there are a lot of vagrants that live in that par they
get up they use the bathrooms and stuff at shepher Park and it that's already enough I can see them trying to go into that facility when it opens if they have a medical Mar um I see I know what you're talking about I've seen it myself and um then with the people getting on
and off the scat to I I I know what you're talking about and it's not a desirable site where's the location so with that I know also we
have two other dispensaries we've got the trul leaf and then we've got onean cult doeg I don't know how to say it but it's on prevard Avenue um I think it's right next to um that's a CBD that's CBD is it CBD
cuz it said like oils and gels and stuff like that but they have their own medical they have their own marijuana was like two medical marijuanas and then there's two doctor's offices that that actually distribute medical marijuana too and I'm thinking then we've got one
on right on the intersection of Pineo we've got a bunch of merid Island got a bunch of I don't I personally don't see why we need another one in Coco Beach I mean I it sounds like a really great great business that they're running
but marijuana no matter what it is has a negative connotation I mean I know it's you know what it's used for and to have it right in that location as you're driving off into the gateway you're coming on 520 and a lot of people enter our city and that's what they're going to
see and as a commissioner who we've been trying to develop for the past 8 years trying to develop the code to to make our land values appreciate and we're going to have a five star west in here we're going to have another uh
they're redoing the pier and putting a resort there I I don't see as this to me it's detrimental to that area because we're trying we trying to build it up and that negative connotation right there for a marijuana
store kind of I don't think it should be there I I see why the others are okay truly it's in a shopping center it's kind of away from the road you're not seeing it the first thing you enter Coco Beach um I think we have enough of those businesses in here so um it's almost
saturated to me so as far as how big our city is it's not that big um so I can sympathize with SH here I don't have a vote but that's my comment on it I just this if it's from a commercial property
standpoint if is sitting vacant and blighted if this is what we're getting it's I I don't think it's I don't see it speak I don't see it as my job to be obstructionist and prevent a viable legal business from going in there into something that's been vacant if anything
that's a failure of zoning and greater people at the city to incentivize I I I have that same vision I would if you look at causeways in all beach cities if you go down and look at the commercial districts of you
know all of these different big cities going South clata Street and you know go down the coast yes ours is pretty low rent compared to all of the other cities that's a failure of City leadership that that's what we I'm I get commercial real
estate if you let people build nice stuff they're going to build nice stuff if there's demand people will build nice stuff we've got a problem incentivizing getting what you and I I think we have the same vision of what nice stuff is and I'm inclined to agree with you on some of this stuff but like if it's
vacant and this is what we're getting I don't see my job is my position here is one to obstruct a legal business from doing it I'd say do it and then you know zoning in the city needs to go back to figure out I would love to have a beautiful you know high-end business or
something other than head shops tattoo shops all the other weird stuff that's on that track but that's what we're getting so and I can't fix that and obstructing stuff isn't going to make me fix it so it's the Devil's Advocate to that where do you
start it's not it's not it's not my job it's not my position here to just yeah it is um they're asking for a special exception that's what our job is I know I think individually we'll have different philosophies and I hear his frustration but most of his frustration
is coming from the beach and the shacks and the public restrooms and the homelessness and the marijuana coming out of there I mean that's really leading all this frustration for El oh my God there's a marijuana stores are going to show up right that's a vagrant problem not a marijuana store that's not
a marijuana store problem and the other thing is these marijuana stores perception wise is a recreational marijuana store and what you're really dealing with is a pharmacy it's all it is and the Lo and the traffic is a pharmacy traffic and it's not a lot um
but I would have a problem if the state said a medical marijuana store could be a recreational marijuana store because I've agree with that gentleman over there if it is a recre recreational marijuana store it should be in some off-the-wall commercial area where
there's a lot of security and everything else that that'd be controlled and there a big huge cash business it shouldn't be right in the middle of the city Ronald that being said we can put in this that they can't become a recreational n that's be great I would say that next right we can put that in the special
except yes so the the medical versus recreational issue this special exception is for the medical marijuana dispensary use so it's in there excuse me it's in there this is for a medical marijuana yes and so you know say um
next year or whenever you so imagine recreational becomes legal this only allows medical marijuana okay but if it becomes legal can they not still come here and ask for I don't think they can answer that I you know for
special exception request but can we I don't think we can put it in there that they can never ask for it or it would need approval I wouldn't advise doing that I know but that being said there are stores that do medical and recreational so they have that gray area
there in other places in the country states yeah yes so that could technically still be recreational and medical if we put something in there saying it can't be recreational sure I mean and a lot of this this discussion about recreational and and medical is a
a little bit Pie in the Sky if you will in the sense that if recreational were to get legalized there would be a whole ton of new state laws that would be adopted and there may very well be something saying that you can't have them together um they have to be separate I mean I I have no idea what
the legislature would do if in that event so there hesitation for that I I feel we should maybe put something like that in U you know the whole Airbnb Fiasco happened because our government in this town did not put a caveat in there sure you if if that is the desire
of the board then I would recommend approving it with the condition that um recreational marijuana sales are not allowed because that's a complete different business complete that's every fear that you have would come true if it
was a recreational marijuana I I kind of lean toward Carolyn's point a little bit I I just I just wonder what capacity is enough if we already have these legal dispensaries and and we have a we have a doctor's
office in in a town with a population of of 10,000 um is it's going to be Prim our cards from other states that tourists and people that come in are they valid as well um I'm just they need a local state card I
think and I got that's why I asked definely that's why I asked what the revenue was is going to be because do the do we really need another one but they certainly have done a business plan that says there is a gap and a need for another store so yeah the market will
determine whether we need another one well I'm sure they predetermined that the market is there so I I just keep thinking that like the people that probably have this and want to use it like probably aren't here speaking and you know it's just one of those things but if they're willing to invest that
capital in that business to serve people here there's probably people here that want to be served okay well you have one more comment you'd like to make I was just going to address the standard that you know we're looking at it tonight it's based on the competent substantial
evidence that has been brought before you know the board and you know two of the three criteria the staff has also you know said yes it's compatible with the existing um pered uses in the area and it's compatible with the future land
use designation the third component is is the use found not to be detrimental to surrounding properties businesses traffic flows or areas we've put into the record the evidence on the traffic it's a reduction in traffic and as I forget which gentleman pointed out the
the use of the product may be a problem with the area but I believe that that use is coming from people that aren't going in and buying it it's a pre-existing problem that is a vagrancy problem not a um a site use problem of
an existing regulated business it's a problem of unregulated people that are in a you know place where they shouldn't be and that's to me not looking at the use of the property that's looking at a criminal activity that's already taking
place offsite unrelated to this other than the fact that they may or may not be utilizing um a similar type of product what uh how involved are you with eeden what's your direct involvement with them I'm the land use attorney so that's all it is you're not
involved with the business at all no I am not so you have no idea where Eden longterm would like to take their medical marijuana facilities and just in their mind hopefully evolves to recreational I'm not prute to their
internal business planning and discussions I I would assume that if it is a legal regulated activity in the state they would probably like to pursue it as most people would and a for profit business you know I believe the gentleman that uh whoever proposed that we are here before you for special
exception for a medical marijuana marijuana dispensary I do I see the distinction and this city attorney's point if you want to go ahead and make it clear that this is not covering recreational marijuana cells you know I thought that was already what we were
here for so I don't necessarily have a problem with that condition being put on there if and when that ever comes up I don't know if it will we're deal dealing with future unpr probabilities you know whoever is the attorney then may be before the board again asking for a different special exception and that
board at that time will make that determination based on the facts put in evidence before that board at that time so have a long-term lease with that uh yeah he asked if there's a longterm lease I don't know the does have a lease
on the property but how long oh I believe it's 10 years with the ability to to extend 10 year and you know if they if their business operations work maybe they'll extend if they doesn't they'll go out of business and I'll probably be before you
with some other issuer at some point um Yes Rick so when I was appointed to this board I went back and I I watched a lot of videos unless you guys have any other question we're going to discuss it amongst the board one of them somebody will make a motion in a minute here I
went back and I I watched a lot of YouTube videos and so forth of all the previous meetings of the board that I could could get and every everyone that I've seen is is as an individual business owner or representative of a business or an individual citizen that
has a vested interest in in the in the facility or in the exception has come personally come before the board and I'm just a little Disturbed that the that the company is sending a land use attorney and there's no representative
of the company themselves here here to answer questions about the operation of their company good point if I may sorry if I may um I I thought I mentioned it maybe I didn't but I I am here on behalf of of the company I'm not an employee
but uh they have sent me as their representative to to be here with you tonight the other crazy thing is if somebody decided to put up a crazy vape shop in that location we wouldn't even
be here special exception you know that Bongs in the window yeah I know but if they decided to do that which we definitely don't need but we wouldn't even be here discussing it I mean so that's what I said this is kind of a strange one to me but I do agree I mean
this if I would the only way I would go for this if um recreational is definitely rolled out of this as a future isn't the special exception as written for medical it is but they decide the state decides and I've been
involved with this in a different life if the state decides it's recreational all these guys are up now that's where all the money is made when it's recreational not just medical that's where all the traffic and all and you would not want to recreational marijuana
facility on that corner so what I'll I would just like to clarify what's being approved or or considered here today is a special exception to permit a medical marijuana dispensary so recre if if recreational sales were legal they
wouldn't be able to occur on this property okay right the city the city we don't know that and we should put words in there that say that only put the word only in there only medical marijuana facility if you put that one word in there that will keep it can't be a half and half store it can't change to a
recreational store if I as a matter of law that it it the word only isn't in there but it is only it that's what it means the opinion of this okay I get what you're saying I understand what you're saying I think she's I understand that you're
wanting to further restrict it I think she's saying by the nature as it's written it is restricted that is the Restriction that's that's here right so say um recreational sales were allowed in Florida and you approved this here tonight this medical marijuana dispensary and they go and start selling
recreational the city could take action against them for doing that because that is not a permitted use and you You' never imagine this State saying anybody with the miracle Marijuana uh operation can automatically become recreational if I had that kind of
crystal ball I very wealthy Don you got to understand what it takes for them to get this far is unbelievable the regulations that are out there to even get as far as they are with medical marijuana more than get the
building permit well that's a whole other but all the regulations in the back end of doctors and far I it in the growth and the regulations on the growth it's it's wild but that's why I'm just saying that I think nobody one major company would not just do this for the
fact of having medical I mean the goal is for recreational when it happens but you don't think that's verbiage that we can add to this may be redundant but still put it in there just in case sure if if if you would like that verbage to be added then I would suggest that the
motion that's made here tonight be uh motion to approve with the added condition that um recreational sales will not be permitted I'd like to make that motion and then nor will they ever ask for one
I I would advise against add I know so yeah a crazy one are we ready to make a motion I'm ready to make the motion if you want it with that language I think that's fine make the motion with the language as suggested
okay I'll second that motion any further discussion being no further discussion can you please call the question you got a vote right we made a motion roll call vot and now we discussed it so now we ask to vote on
okay all in favor no like we could do individual a roll call is it do you mean a roll call though oh sorry okay I missed that okay let's try this again all right so Hayes yes wait are you sure the
alternate can't vote no yes no they can't vote no it's for if one of you is absent okay all right thanks auger I board yes Goldberg yes Anderson no so
the motion passes with the four you have to have four votes and it does pass with the four votes next next up we have the year and in review um I'll just give you a quick update as to um last
year I want to hear you know in February marijuana something then in September we had a variance for um vacation of property that passed those were the only two meetings that we
had last year okay good so somebody has a motion to make a motion to approve I make a motion to approve all in favor I got second it I second second second all in favor rules
okay chairman I think you can hit the the G now why wife yes sir follow comment she didn't want it good evening members of the board uh my name is Dave Dicky I wanted to intr roduce myself I'm the new development services director for the city sorry davee I'm uh it has
been it's been a busy 3 months already I'll tell you um I have a I've been doing this for 35 years um and so I'm I all over the country I've been in Florida since 1989 in Central Florida and here in Bard
for quite a while so I'm really happy to be here um and I'll um I'll be seeing a lot of you if any any of you would like to go to lunch have a beer after work one day City pay for now you're talking and I'm buying you who did you replace
I'm I'm Randy Stevenson the new Randy I'm the new Randy okay yes so I would love to if if you'd like to do that that'd be great I would love to do that as well so um I agree with Mr Goldberg I just want to make sure that citizens have a lot of opportunities to get whatever special exceptions and
variances that they need because uh it does seem like we've had very very very very very few and it makes me concerned that's because they're doing a good job well there's just not a lot of action going on I just want to make sure that's the case given we would
only so they don't then that's excellent I just want to make sure that everyone's getting the things that they need and that we're not obstructionist yeah generally stuff that gets to this here or to the Planning and Zoning Board it's been thoroughly vetted by staff and there's a reason a lot of stuff never
gets to you um have a chance we don't put the Kash on people but um we we certainly advise them so uh a strange me variances every day in my telephone well in the past I mean we've had every month it's better a
dock issue or a driveway issue and just seems weird we're not having any of those anymore careful what you wish for coming anyways it's nice to meet all of you thank you here thanks Dave are weed uh what else any members nothing that's it
over make