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Mhm. >> Uh Jeremy, would you mind doing the pledge for us? >> Sure. >> Jeremy >> Would you please stand and face the flag? Pledge allegiance >> to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it

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stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Um Who do we have to do the invocation this evening? >> [clears throat] >> Uh I believe it was Wasn't it you? >> I don't know about that. I think we did it last year. >> I'll do it.

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Lord, thank you for this day. Lord, thank you for having us all here together to to do this budget together and and do it for the for the best wishes of the of the residents, Lord. Please give us wisdom in all that we do tonight.

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And uh please allow us to to work well together and uh let may all be for your glory in Jesus' name. Amen. >> Amen. >> Who's >> That was well done. >> All right. New business. Do we

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Do we do roll call or no? >> We don't need one. >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh good evening, Mayor and Commissioners. As the staff as staff plan and prepare for fiscal year 27, there are several considerations we'll discuss tonight that shape our financial health.

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Tonight's budget workshop presentation includes discussion on past actions, the present, and also future actions that are to come. We'll start off with a quick recap of the capital fund. Um the capital fund closure and then we'll reserve we'll continue to review

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the reserves and a summary of our general fund. As you all are aware, through Florida special session, a bill was passed for property tax reform. We'll discuss what this means for the city. And lastly, we'll go over the CIP summary and all of the individual requests from our

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departments for FY27. Okay, the 310 capital fund closure. As you may recall during fiscal year 26 budget workshop, we discussed the capital projects fund in depth. For the fund to sustain, it must have revenues to support the expenses.

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In this case, there were more expenses than revenues, which created a negative fund balance that totaled around 6.9 million. This is the result of only taking out debt of 3.9 million when it came to the construction of the city hall building.

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Um, I made the recommendation to close this fund and brought forward resolution 2025-21 last budget cycle, which ultimately closed it. It was addressed during our audit and reflected in financial statements. From the accounting perspective, when

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you close the fund, the ending balance has to be absorbed, meaning that the general fund reserve balance decreased from 18 million to about 12 million in fiscal year 25. In 2023, the commission adopted ordinance 1681,

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and that implemented a budget reserve policy. That policy, it dictates the balance that fiscal year 27 budget is required to dedicate. Those amounts are um 19% of the general fund budget to

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committed emergency reserves and 4% to non-committed reserves. With the current budget input based off of departments' requests and estimates in fiscal year 27, the reserve requirements are estimated to be around 10 million.

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This slide, it illustrates an overview of the general fund. It's a general fund summary. The very last column shows the totals of the 2027 request. Um as shown based on the current budget input, the reserves are projected to be around 10.5 million,

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meeting the ordinance requirements. That being said, the expenses shown right now are greater than the revenues by almost 800,000. At this time also, it doesn't include the golf cart lease that's currently going through the bid process. That will

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be added by the second budget workshop. So, I just want to bring that to your attention as well. So, there are still additional cuts that are needed to balance this budget. Budgets in the past just for some insight to how budgeting was done in

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previous years, it seems that a consistently we've gone into the reserves to balance the budget. In order to present to you guys the responsible budget, I wanted to show where we have the revenues to support the expenses and we're not going into

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reserves because at this time our reserves are already at that critical balance where we need to meet the ordinance and we need to make sure that we have funds in place for any emergency situations that could arise in the future. Um from the original request that our department directors and staff put in,

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when we first input those numbers to the budget and we looked at the balance, our reserve balance was down to around 5 million. So, we went through several rounds of cuts with our staff internally, with the city manager, with department directors, staff, my finance

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team as well. And we cut around 5 million in projects, well, between both capital and also operating cost. Um the departments were tasked with a 10% budget operating budget cutting exercise. Of course, it

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depends which department if they're able to do that because some of the departments have a very small operating budgets. Some of them it's just a little bit different. So, it just varied from one department to the next, but everyone was tasked with that exercise. And again, it seemed like this year was

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really the first year where the city took a close look at operating budgets and evaluated those further. Um so, with that being said, with the cuts right now to this point in time, we've cut around 5 million. So, that's what's gotten us up to the 10 and 1/2 million to meet the ordinance

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requirements in place, but cuts are still needed and we're hoping to have more cuts based off of commission input tonight and discussion before our second budget workshop. >> Hannah, a question. So, just to sort of frame that conversation, so it's $800,000

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is [clears throat] a target to get this balanced. And then, what was the original golf cart lease? Was it about 600,000? So, it would be the 600,000 plus the 800,000 is >> I believe so. I believe it was around 600k. We'll see once those bids come in if it's still ballpark around the same

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or if it's, you know, it'll be based on the vendor that bids. >> Uh and real quick, Hannah, as well, that uh I I believe it was around 550 actually, but that was not including the upgraded um the technology GPS technology, so >> That was Yeah, that was a different

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>> Okay, so Okay. >> So, redoing the RFP. The RFP doesn't include that. >> So, are we not going to need that? >> I will. They're redoing that RFP currently. So, once that's complete and if the committee makes their decision, I would then get those numbers and be able

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to input it into this budget. So, you'll see that in the budget workshop number two. >> In an effort to try to make sure that we're balanced. >> It's just something to keep in mind because it's not plugged in there right now. >> So, that $600,000 is not in here on top of the $800,000 deficit. So, in the conversations tonight, we have about

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$1.4 million challenge to balance this [clears throat] budget. >> Okay, can I make a statement, too, just based on that that uh capital projects fund that that we had had and the whole debacle with the uh

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with the uh the city hall. Um that previous management, previous uh accountant, you guys have been great. Uh just for for the residents to know, um that capital projects fund was to be

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only to be used under the direction of the uh of the uh commission to be used only for capital projects and with the commission vote. Um somehow it got used and that's how it kind of got us in this position where

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where we shouldn't have been um getting into our reserves like this. So, I just want to make that uh make that known that uh it wasn't necessarily our fault or because we created that fund that this happened um or our current uh staff.

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>> Okay. Property taxes, the hot topic right now in the news. So, I'm sure you guys have seen all of the news articles, everything that's happening regarding property tax reform. Um but during special session in Tallahassee, the House and Senate passed the bill which increases homestead

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exemption. For it to actually go into effect, it has to have 60% voter approval in the November general election. If passed, it will be a negative impact to our general fund reserves.

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The first year, 2027, the tax roll, it'll increase the exemption from it'll increase the exemption to about 150k. And then 250,000 in 2028. So, it will not, just to clarify, impact

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fiscal year 27's budget, but it may impact fiscal year 28 and onwards. Um after fiscal year 28, after they increase to 250,000, after that point, it would increase each year by the annual CPI until I believe

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it reaches a $500,000 cap. Um the Florida League of Cities, they released some information to us and that provided preliminary data that shows a fiscal impact of around 3 and 1/2 million um

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for fiscal year 28 and around 5 million for fiscal year 29. So, we're just keeping that in mind, but there's a lot of uncertainty still surrounding the new legislation and if it will or won't pass, but whether the referendum passes or not,

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>> [clears throat] >> it's still vital that we monitor the impact and also keep in mind the impact that was absorbed with the capital um fund closure. Okay, moving on to the CIP. So, the CIP summary, it shows all department requests over the next 5

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years for all funds. The remaining slides that we have prepared, they show in detail each department's capital request. And the city directors and staff, they've made these requests through the budget process. We've evaluated them, we've discussed them through the

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Naviline reports that were posted to the agenda. It includes actually all the justification comments that were made by the directors that were making these requests. Um so I don't know if you guys had an opportunity to go through those Naviline reports, but um they really put a good level of detail in there to

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support the necessity of why they're asking for these projects. So the next few slides will go through in detail um each project and as you guys have any questions uh the city staff they're here to answer any of those questions. The projects going forward that have any

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asterisks next to it that um means that it's indicates any grant funding that's associated with it. It doesn't mean that it's fully grant funded, but it could be a portion of so just so you guys are aware. Yes. >> Is any of that revenue built into here

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like those rent assumptions? >> Yes, for anything that has an asterisk that has grant proceeds, there is revenue that's also budgeted associated with that expense. Commissioner Watters. >> Yeah, my question is um we're showing the a line item for the

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CRA under its special reserve funds. >> Yes. >> And we've got a 2027 and 2028. And then we're we just [clears throat] have dashes for 29, 30, and 31. I thought our our CRA

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didn't sunset till a little bit later than what you're showing here. >> 2036. >> That just means there's no cost. >> So 2036 is the CRA. >> It's it's 2033 it sunsets. The reason why there's dashes is because we're still evaluating with the 5-year long-term plan it's supposed to be.

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We've got the first 2 years, but the right now Commissioner >> Okay. So that I would and that doesn't because that's CRA money we can't use it for anything else but CRA. Um

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just make sure that that doesn't get intermingled in our bottom line. You know, uh and then I would prefer to see in the 29, 30, and 31 columns that a TBD instead of a dash.

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Because you just said it's to be determined. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> The other thing I want to point out on the summary before we move on to the next slide is if you look at the fiscal year 2028 balance of subtotal, it shows it shows 18 million. So,

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that amount it has been inflated just to show right now the projects that have been deferred. So, when I say that the when it came to capital projects, we met with departments and directors and evaluated the necessity of these projects and meant that we couldn't

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achieve them this year because of our ordinance that's in place, the reserve balance, and those factors that we discussed earlier. However, when you see that spike in fiscal year 28 and you go through the slides that are to come, it really shows the projects that have been deferred

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that have been moved out. So, I want you guys to bear that in mind as we go through the rest of the presentation. Okay, so starting off with IT and the city clerk's office. And as we go through, if you have any questions on the items um for the CIP,

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it's fiscal year 2027 that you guys are voting on that's in place. If there's any questions that you have on any of the request and you want to call upon a staff a staff member, city director, please do. >> [clears throat] >> I'd just say that uh

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the software items you have in 2028 are basically a must pretty much a must do, I would think. >> Okay. It's based off the annual replacement schedule for their equipment. And then city clerk,

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they have one item for fiscal year 2027 for an ADA software that is statutorily required. It's in the Florida statute. >> They run pretty lean in this office. So, um I noticed this on your on the line

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computers, tablets, and laptops 38,000 across the board. Um we're going to see this in a couple other places where uh um later on with crossovers,

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for example, um it's going to be 30,000 a year for each crossover. I expect the uh to that to increase each year just like the 38,000. Hey, it's 38,000 this year, but next year the same

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computers aren't going to be at 38,000. >> Sure, cost going up over time. >> Right. So, I don't know if we need to adjust that accordingly each year going forward. Um it it's not going to affect this budget, but >> Ongoing budget, sure. >> Yes.

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Yeah. Five-year plan. >> But then there's also an opportunity to reduce the numbers of computers, tablets, and laptops. >> Right, because we're going to >> Maybe have some some some shared

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shared spaces, like what we do at the space center, called hotelling, and you have a computer that multiple people use versus everybody having their own computer. If if they're seldom users, if they're not using it all day long.

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>> Yeah, each year it'll have to be an evaluation made by IT when it comes to budgeting, so they'll evaluate um pricing and everything else when it comes to every budget cycle, and they make those inputs for that year. >> Okay. Okay.

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>> Go on to police and com- com CIP. Um yeah, police is request and for below you'll see for communications, which was um we entered a contractual agreement with the Brevard County for dispatch services. Those are um what's listed

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there for their capital request are what's contractually required um for that for that contract. And of course, if you have any questions, we have Chief here to answer those. >> ask a general just a general questions. So, are we

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buying new body cameras every year? >> Mayor Commission, um the cost that you're seeing there is to transition from Motorola to LensLock, which is a much cheaper platform. Uh initially when we uh started the body cam program, uh we wanted to pay for the

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whole 5 years uh in one shot, and we only started with patrolmen. Uh but now the beach rangers have it, and so do the um the parking enforcement. So, we've had to buy additional uh body worn camera platforms over the years. The reason why it's paired with

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the new vehicle is because we're putting the LensLock in-car camera systems in the new vehicles cuz they're cheaper, and uh they're an easier company to deal with, and we pair it with the LensLock body camera. Next year is when we uh make the the jump um the biggest jump from

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Motorola to LensLock um and we'll be [clears throat] done with our 5-year program um or uh agreement next year with Motorola. >> And I guess this is the same I guess to ask for pretty much everything. Radar units, are we do we just

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buy a same amount of radar units every year? >> Uh we put the we put brand new units in the in the cars every year. Yes. >> Okay. Is that just >> No. Not every year. Every time a car goes offline, they put

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in a new radar if that's what you're asking. We don't swap the entire radar system in each car every year. Is that what you're asking? >> I I noticed that we're spending, you know, roughly let's say an average of 12 thousand a year on on radar units. So, I I don't just wondering like is it are

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they going bad that often or is it we're just keeping them updated? >> They have five vehicles budgeted for in fleet for replacement. So, I believe the five radar units are associated and aligned with the five replacement PD vehicles that they have in the fleet CIP. >> Correct.

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>> And the same with tasers, they kind of need to be 60 thousand dollars in tasers a year? >> So, the current platform we have is a X26P and right now I think we purchase one handle which is one taser for I believe around 1500 dollars and there's

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a five-year warranty on that. They uh they are not supporting that taser in the near future. We don't have a a sunset date just yet, but um eventually they're going to just like body cams are going to do a subscription

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service. So, when we eventually go to the new taser platform, we're not so much paying for the actual tangible taser in our hands, we're paying paying for the cloud service. This is something that we've uh pushed down the road that I think the past maybe three years

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and each year I believe we're we're looking at a substantial cost that that we hold off on that. >> Okay. >> So. >> And the evidence drying cabinet, is that a replacement? >> Sir. Yes. >> It is.

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>> Yes. >> Spend a lot on tasers. >> They're very expensive. Each officer has a gun. >> [laughter] >> Yes. >> You just use 9 mm, they're cheaper. >> Yeah. >> Uh no, sir. We would like to have a less lethal uh element.

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>> All right, that's all I thank you. >> in the foot. >> Appreciate you. >> Okay, next we have fire for their 5-year CIP. They do not have well for fiscal year 27, right now they have a replacement report writing software for 27. The

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other projects shown are for the outlying years for 28 through 31. >> Is there any difference running software through IT or fire? It's the same? >> Yes, sir. >> [clears throat] >> Good evening, commission. Um so, the software that we're looking to

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purchase would be replacement of what's already existing, and it would actually be cheaper. Uh it's just the way we do it in our budget, we take it on the first year, and then IT covers it after. And so, it would come out of IT's budget this year going to ours, and then go

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back into IT's. So. >> Um the the frontline engine, uh how how old is the one that we're currently that we're looking to replace for this one? >> Uh we look at trying to replace them on the the regular schedule of 10 years. Uh we started getting quotes cuz it's about

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a 3-year plus year build time. >> Mhm. >> So, that would replace the uh it would be 10 years old at that time, 2019. >> But, and we can legally go to 20 years on frontline engines? >> 15. >> 15. >> Yeah, we we look at it as our because

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our environment is so corrosive, um that we try to start that assessment around year 8 9, and looking at based on build times. >> So, um on that line item there's got to be some residual value

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on that piece of equipment. And uh between you and Hannah, is there a way to show a line item of what our projected residual value would be coming back against the 1.29? >> Talking about the trade-in value? >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah, so what it would be traded in would not be the 2019 because the 2019 would then go into backup. It would be replacing a 2014. So, the 2014 would go into retirement or as a trade-in and the 2019 would go to the reserve engine.

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>> Right. How do we account for the residual value of the piece of equipment >> So, as we get >> don't need anymore? >> Of course, as we get closer, uh we work out a deal usually with some sort of trade-in company that's like a a

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brokerage or something like that. And they they will provide a trade-in value that will come off of the cost of the truck. But, we won't know until that time comes. Does that make sense? Like, there's a value >> so you're saying that the 1,290,000

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if you took the trade-in value, which is unknown at this time, off of that, it should be less than that. >> Correct, yeah. And and the quotes we're getting are less than 1.29. So. >> So, is that is that the year we receive it or is that the year we order it? >> That's the year we receive it. >> Okay, so okay.

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>> So, yeah, we would we would look to have to go into some sort of agreement here the next year or two. And then with that, we would have someone take a look at the current engine that would be traded in. And that would give a value to that that would be then taken off of the price.

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Which we'd bring all that forward when we did. >> So, the the 2019 would be the order year and then you expect to get it 3 years later, is what you're saying? >> It's the receipt year. >> So, the 2019 is the receipt year. >> Receiving year, yeah. You pay for it when you receive it. >> This is structured to have a new engine

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at year 10 of the old engine. I think it's where you're going. >> Well, I guess what I'm getting cuz when I'm looking ahead to that, my I'm I'm thinking ahead is if this is in our plan, then and we're we're needing to order it now, basically.

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Um and we don't have it actually in the budget to do it, then um you know >> for 2020? >> Yeah, I know. I know. What I'm saying is >> We're going to make a decision probably in the next year to write that contract. So, I think the

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decision is do you want to replace the engine at year 10 or go >> And I longer I know but I think you said also I'm not saying that we're going to do this, but let's just say we ordered this and for some reason we had to make a cut uh in the future, um

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no problem, they could they could resell it to someone else. So, we Do we do Do we put a deposit down? Or you said because I I hear these things accrue over the years, right? So, >> What it comes down to, Mayor, is these are very specialized orders.

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These guys are ordering things with uh you know, there's probably a there's a plethora. It's probably, you know, 80 to 100 different options you can pick on this truck. And

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we pick things that fit Cocoa Beach from corrosion resistance, from computers that aren't uh moisture uh intolerant and all kinds of other things. So, when you say if you order it and

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then you don't want it, those requirements might not meet what some other uh municipality might be looking for. All right. So, but we'll it'll come to commission

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before we actually make a vote on ordering this thing specifically. >> We've been searching out quotes. So, we'll bring all the quotes and we have a committee. We'll bring everything forward. Let you guys take a look. Um the recommendations, the price, the trade, and all that type of stuff. So,

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it'll all be there to consider. >> All right. Yeah, basically I was just making sure we're not codifying an order today with this budget. Okay. >> Okay. Next uh we'll start with public works in the divisions under public works. The first one we have is the 3110 account, the division for roads and

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streets. >> I have a question on that Minuteman. Is that really My understanding is it's all the stub end streets right back here for $4 million. I know we did the the contract for the design. Is that really $4 million a seawall? Cuz I I

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think most of the streets all have pretty robust mangroves already. Um >> Yes. So, for fiscal year uh '27, that is for construction for the three locations phase one. And then fiscal year '28, that's design

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and construction of the phase two areas. And then fiscal year '29, that actually should be in the row underneath for um paving. So, it will not be the 4.3. >> Got you. Thank you. So, 2.3 total to do all the

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Minuteman. If we do phase two, phase one is already designed. >> Yeah. Yeah, we're getting ready >> to to build it. Got you. >> And you said just now we're getting bids right now, you said? >> Oh, we're getting permits from Army Army Corps right now, and then we'll go to the bid process. >> Okay. So,

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when we're on line item No. Thank you. >> Second line. >> Um it Okay. So, move the 2,000 down a row. >> 2 million. >> 2 million down the road, not 2000, 2 million. Um that brings that up to 9 million.

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So, by 2031 does that include repaving all the city streets? >> No. So, that 2 million is going to continue. >> No. I challenge you to go back uh and

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to go back to the last time the VA paving paved the entire city >> [clears throat] >> and tell us what that cost was. >> Sure, I'll look into it. >> And it was in

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2004 and I think it was 3.1 million. Okay, that's just off the top of my head. And now through 2031 we're going to spend uh >> Nine. >> 9 million and we're not going to be able

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to pave the entire city. >> It is 25 years later though. >> Right, I think >> [laughter] >> if we look at the cost of it across 25 for so many things. >> Well, hang on to your Yeah, that's that's uh >> That's right. >> That's a lot. >> It would be accurate.

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>> If this is half of the streets >> That's where you're going. >> Right. >> If this is What is the scope of this 9 million? >> Well, the problem is we're deferring it another year anyway. >> I agree. >> Okay, and there's already there's anybody in this room can that walks or rides bikes

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there's already weeds growing up in the cracks in the streets. >> Yeah, for this project this was something when we had an internal discussion with staff, it was the very last project that we deferred and we really tried to hold off on deferring this project because we saw the necessity based off of all of the

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meetings that city manager, myself, department directors had with commissioners and discussion that you guys have had in meetings throughout the last um few months, but with where our reserve balances were and with the impact that we absorbed in

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closing the 310 fund and absorbing those cost, we still needed to get up to meet that requirement. And you know, even with that being done and with all the deferments that we've made, we're still at that point where our revenues are

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still lower than our expenses. So, for that reason is why we had to push it to 2028. Okay. Next, I'll go through the building maintenance division of public works. The first item in 2027, the replace ramp

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road park swing set, that one does have the asterisk and we're seeking grant revenue for that, so we have revenue budgeted for that $15,000 full amount. Um and then you'll see there's a few AC units that you can

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if you have any questions on. >> I didn't see anything in here for building like painting like country club and police, is that just our internal cost and we only pay for them in >> They're operating under the amounts that were established. >> I like the country club with the lime green.

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Maybe dated, I don't know. >> And then again in 2028, you'll see the um inflated number at the bottom and that shows the some of the projects that were moved out and deferred for the purpose of this year based off of what we're dealing with. Okay.

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Um I'll move on to grounds maintenance. That division of public works, there's one um capital item here and that is the State Road 520 medians for 350,000. >> That's the piece we did the landscape design for. We already approved it. This is going to

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be okay. >> And and we're waiting for this we don't know that those funds are coming in. >> For the revenue, um I don't know if there's a amount determined yet for the revenue, but Brad will have more information. >> Uh good evening, commissioner. Uh we

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have applied the 350,000 to FDOT. They have preliminary accepted that number. So, now we we're just finishing up survey on 520 medians, then we can start the design process. >> Awesome. >> But, they are aware. >> So, is it the plan then if we don't get that, then we won't be doing that

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project? >> I'm confident that we're going to get the money. >> O- Okay. >> But, it is showing >> a there's a chance that we don't. >> I've talked to FDOT too when I was on the board and and they were saying that they have no problem helping us with that.

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>> I understand. My question is, what if they don't? >> Right. >> I think we invested the money in the design, we probably should have that in the back pocket in case we have to self-fund this. We don't want to do the design and then shelve it. >> Well, once we have a design, how long does that design last? The permitting of

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it. Is it for 3 years, 5 years? >> No, it'll be done Oh, that I don't know. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Good point. I mean, we paid for the design. We got to We got to move it. >> But, that does But, that >> I got it.

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>> But, does it uh mandate that hey, okay, we >> We got the design, oh we have to do it now. >> Right. Um >> We've got to do it in 2 years or 3 years or something like that. >> You do have to >> do it right away. >> If the requirements for the permitting haven't changed. >> now. >> Yeah.

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>> And you know, just throwing $350,000 out there because we didn't get a grant might not be the best >> Not the full grant is is budgeted for in the revenue side. On the revenue side, I believe it's in the $250,000 range. I

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can go back and verify, but it's $250,000 in revenue, $350 in expense with the expectation that you know, if $100,000 isn't recognized or if it's not awarded to us for us to be able to still proceed with the project.

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>> We still have well, the $100,000 from this last year, so. >> There's 150 within this current fiscal year, correct? >> [clears throat] >> Okay, moving on to fleet. The next three slides are um the CIP request for fleet. And they're all categorized by which

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department. So, you see the request for police uh for their five vehicles, parking enforcement, fire doesn't have any within '27, but they do in some of the outlying years. >> Uh how old are these the police cars that we're replacing?

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>> Um Jonathan? >> He will be up here to answer those questions. >> Mayor Commissioner. What was your question again? >> Uh how old are the vehicles that we're replacing here for the police uh four-door SUVs? >> They were 2019s.

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>> They're 2019? >> Yeah, 2019 Dodge Chargers. >> Jonathan, can you tell them the miles also on those cars? >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Uh what kills the police cars is the idle hours on them. You got to take that into

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consider consideration because every idle hour is equal to 33 miles. So, once you add that back to them the ones that we're replacing, the first one's like 216,000 miles on it. The other ones are 244.

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244,000 and they're they're all at 200,000 or more miles. I don't know. And these cars, once we replace them, we're not getting rid of these. These go as spares and then the older ones are sold. So, these will all become backups.

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>> And the older ones that we're getting rid of, what years are those? >> They're like 2016s. >> 2016s, okay. Okay. >> We and I skipped, you know, this that we went a few years where we deferred, we were deferring those and it hurt pretty

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bad. So, >> This is the way to do it. Do the partial replacement and put in five every year. So, you're not doing a huge investment. >> I mean, to to in our book, it's it's an eight-year replacement cycle. So, we're right on par with

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with what's expected. >> The novel line reports to you that are in the agenda, it shows for every item within fleet, every capital item, exactly what the mileage is and how old that vehicle is, what it is replacing for more detail. Okay, part three of fleet.

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>> Yeah, I'm going to go back real quick. Sorry, who's driving? Who's driving? Okay. So, I've noticed on the generators, I know they're granted for fire station 1551. Believe we've deferred those a couple years. Are we in a situation where

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I understand we want the grant money, but is it a is it a critical need now? I mean, we can't at some point we got to quit burning it. I think these have been deferred probably three or four years now. >> It's not that we have been deferring. We did apply for the grant application 2

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years ago and it's just taken this long for FEMA to get >> Oh, we've already applied for it. It's just in review. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. Um >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I like FEMA money. >> This is This is your

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your stuff, right, Brad? >> Some of it, yes. >> Okay. So this generator out here or the one at the fire station, I'm sorry. That's elevated

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and I anticipate that we've done the proper preventative maintenance. >> Mhm. >> And you know, the ones like the big ones that I have, 750 kWs at work,

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every month, you know, we run them for a certain amount of time. We cycle all the fuel out of the tanks and fill them up with new fuel. And the one I've got, it's a CAT. It's been there since

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2014. And and there's no plan to replace it. It's just maintained. So So what Why? And And we're in We're in kind of the beach environment, also. So why are we replacing

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you know, a generator unless it's got problems? >> The Jonathan? Jonathan's crew maintains this. So >> With proper maintenance, and I know it costs money to do proper maintenance, but you know,

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>> Yeah. This generator was put in in 2015 over at the fire station. We've had multiple issues with it. It failed during one of the hurricanes and we had to bring in a backup generator. We've done mo- a lot of work on it and

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since it did fail during a storm, it qualified that we could replace it under the grant program. So, with it being able to qualify, it's reason why we would like to go ahead and replace it because we're getting 75% of it paid for by the grant.

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>> Okay, then I'll just say I'll just say going forward any kind of generators you got at any of our facilities including the lift stations and everywhere else do the maintenance. >> Yeah. >> Run them every month. >> Yeah, we we run them we

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>> Run them up to temp every month. >> Yeah. They're they're exercised weekly. >> Okay. >> Um the the one that we're pulling out then can can we use that as a backup somewhere else? >> We can. We can actually mount it on a trailer and use it as a portable. >> Okay.

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>> So >> Um maybe not really kind of a budget question, but um Brad, maybe you would know. So, the generator that we put up here is elevated. Um but all the electrical circuitry and

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everything is down below. That should we look at in the future paying somebody to actually put that elevated because if what what good is that generator if everything is flooded down below? >> Well, now if you

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if you jacket and conduit and seal out your your uh conduit lines properly you don't get water. >> Nice. Your switches are on this side. Okay.

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>> Yeah, when we were going through the build on this building our team did mention that to the contractors and I it didn't get elevated. Is that Well, I guess what what I'm asking is that something that we should put in the budget for the future? >> In the future, yes, I would definitely.

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>> Okay. So, just maybe for the next year after that we'll maybe think about that. >> As an FYI, the PD generator is the same way. >> We we need to think about it. Just if if you if you all your transfer switches and everything are are at chest level

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and it's it's underwater, it's not going to work right. >> You're right. That's okay. >> So, bad design. >> Okay, our last division of public works 3170 [clears throat] are capital improvements. We have fire station 50 for 5.5 million. There is an

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asterisk right there. Um currently, this project is a project that we sought out state appropriations for. Um it's made it through the process of session. It is you know, the governor hasn't signed the bill yet assigning the

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appropriation. So, we're waiting until >> July 1st. >> July 1st until we know and the state budget is in place if we are [clears throat] awarded those grant funds, but we do have on the revenue side uh 4 million contingent upon receiving those grant funds along with

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uh 1 million for debt proceeds if we were to have to go out to debt for that project. Um just so you guys are aware, it's not fully grant funded. Um the half million that is there is for the purpose of design. There's also um down to the ADA Ocean

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Beach Boulevard Park currently 1.15 million for that project and um funds associated with that project and outline your fiscal year 28. And then Sunset Bridge repairs for 10,000 in 27.

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And again, you'll see the projects that [clears throat] have been deferred to fiscal year 28. >> Yeah. The uh the 88 park obviously will once we build it will be consistent maintenance on top of that every year.

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Um >> If designed it properly, the maintenance should be minimal. >> Yeah. >> We're not allowed to charge We're not allowed to charge for parking for disabled, right? That would be a completely free park, basically. >> Correct. Parking doesn't change isn't in

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charge for any handicap parking spaces. >> So I would suggest we move this out. >> I I agree. That's almost our 1.2 that we need right there. Um to to be >> [clears throat] >> Why don't we

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Why don't we wait till the design comes in and then refine that number and I'm willing to solicit solicit Once we get the design and we have something to show people, I'm willing to

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uh search for grants and uh solicit donations. I know uh there's some affluent ADA people that have been on me for years that might want to contribute to that. So >> Do we have any agreements associated

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with that what that was land that we received, right? Do we have or or that we would receive? Are there any agreements in place or related in it >> Yes. >> Yeah, that we might not be able to push that out. >> It It has to be a park. >> Yeah. >> Okay.

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And we had to fund the design to show uh good faith that we're going to do it. They haven't signed it off to us yet. I'm very hesitant to defer it or pull any money out of the budget at this point until we get the

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deed. So we're going to have another budget meeting and another budget meeting. So, I would prefer to leave it in there for right now. So, >> And to you pulling on that thread is So, we we've started the design on this one, right? So, in my mind

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we can potentially accomplish the construction. Whereas, the fire station, we haven't even started the design. So, I don't I think that's foolish to put the design and the construction in '27. So, potentially the fire station I understand it's got July 1st information tied to it, but food for thought as we

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get in the I got it. I got it. >> public safety for 1.5 or ish with the $4 million grant and keep us with our What's that that rating that we're supposed to have? >> ISO

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>> the ISO rating which would keep insurance cheaper for a lot of our residents. >> Uh but I'm just going from the ability to execute. Like, it's funded this year and we haven't started the design. >> No, we have started the design.

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>> On the fire station? >> No, no. I'm talking about the park. >> How much was the design for the park? >> 199 >> 199 >> So, you can't get real numbers on what it's going to cost to do the construction

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until you get the design. >> All right. What's What's our time frame on actually getting that property? >> Okay, so where we're at right now, commission, excuse me, right now is we have until the 22nd to respond currently to the federal government with regards

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to any changes or corrections that we want to make on the quick claim deed. Becky's already looked at that, made those changes, and we're just waiting to send that off here any day now. >> What What I might suggest is that we put a double asterisk next to each of those and

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at our This is just preliminary. And at our next budget meeting, we can make some decisions because we'll have we'll know whether the governor vetoed it or not and we'll know whether we actually have the property or not. >> of the deed >> Agreed.

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>> And then so going forward, this is on our radar to look at either either we either we pull the trigger and go for it or we pull back. >> Yeah. >> And I'm not just I'm not Yeah, no, great point. I'm not disputing the public safety piece. I'm just saying from a timing piece we we literally have budgeted this year

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26 to do the fire station design. We haven't. So I'm just worried it's an artificial place holder. >> Honestly, I I mean no offense to the fire guys that I mean I I I visited the station um and I I could live with it myself, but if

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we're going to get if we're going to get >> [laughter] >> but if we're going to get 4 million from the government for it >> fire station is moving in. It makes sense. >> No, I'd say right. >> It could if they want. But what I'm saying is if we're going to if we're going to get this money from the

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government, we might as well take advantage of renewing the station. >> If we get it. >> Exactly. >> Last time a commissioner went to a >> [clears throat and laughter] >> fire station which this is the replacement of to look at which was the one across the street where the parking garage is he fell through the floor.

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>> I was city manager. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So Commissioner Tumulty, I think that's the next slide. >> Okay. >> Next slide. >> Question on I'm sorry, go back one. I'm sorry. On the on the very bottom Brevard and 28, is that in the CRA zone and we're just putting a

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provision in there in case some of it has to be funded from general fund cuz that could be potentially CRA funded? >> right now is in the CRA for 500,000. The entirety of that project can't be absorbed by the CRA because we have debt obligations still within that CRA. So we

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are only able to pay a portion of it on the CRA fund. The rest of it for construction, um so that project is in general. >> At the bottom, second from the bottom of Harvard Avenue. So, what I was going with that is what Commissioner Williams said is the dashes, the the no costs for

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CRA, this could be a filler if we don't have any other projects in the CRA to run that through 2032, some portion of that 3 million. >> Now, how much of that fiscal, going back on that, how much of the fiscal 28 um line items were pushed out?

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All of them? >> No, not all. >> A lot though. >> A lot of them, several of them were pushed out. So, the softball field stadium lights, those were pushed out. >> [clears throat] >> Um I believe the skate park. >> Do we not get any support from the

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school district on that? >> We did those lights. >> We actually owe them that per the contract, so we have a contract with them where we have to do all the maintenance on those facilities all ourselves. >> Wasn't that long ago we did those lights?

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>> Are you negotiating that now? >> Well, it's a 10-year >> It's a 10-year contract. >> We're discussing it with them soon. Yes, yep. >> Dr. Rendell and Mr. Trent >> Yeah. >> Get a phone call. >> Okay. >> Thank you.

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>> The dredging, is that renewing what just finished a couple years ago? The million dollar dredging every year? >> Um it's our portion of it. >> Got it. >> It's It's just ongoing dredging, it's not a new >> Got it. Okay. >> We're bringing back that program. >> We don't end up in River Lagoon.

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We get funds from that, we get grants from >> For the muck capping project, yes, we received funds for >> not for the dredging? >> Well, >> No, for the dredging program, that's out from fiscal year 28 and then outline years for that program to come back to

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be able to dredge the canals, I believe. >> Well, that's on the that's on the We're voting on that as well then. >> Yeah, that's on the ballot also. So, we it may be on us or we have to approach Sorrell for that. >> Yeah. >> Which we will. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Yeah. Okay.

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>> Uh for the Sunset Bridge repairs and then the Sunset Bridge, what's the difference? I see the value difference in them, but in terms of scope? >> So, we had a report done by Osborne Engineering and they um did a condition assessment on it. So, um next year we

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have high priorities, uh which would be addressing some spalling issues and then the next year is addressing some decking um and sidewalk issues. >> Okay, so it's the same project just two phases of it. >> Minuteman light pole installation, that was the one we

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That 150 has been in there for a while and we at one point we were going to outsource to FPL. Are we now bringing that back in to replace those? I noticed those lights actually are working. For a while they were blinking pretty radically. >> Blinking means they're they're going out. >> No, I got that and then there was about half of them out for about 6 months.

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>> Yeah, we were able to find replacement heads for the existing lights out there. So, we've been replacing them as they go out now. So, that's made a tremendous difference. >> So, we can kick that out because like I said, that's been deferred the last 2 years, I believe. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> We don't and we're not working with FPL for that?

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>> So, FPL will not use the existing conduit that's already in the ground. They would have to bore all new conduit and with the amount of utilities that are already along Minuteman, I think it would be very unwise for us to do that. >> Agreed. >> One question real quick, Mayor Brady.

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The driving range upgrade, the 1.7, is that the off the tees thing that we >> Off the tees. >> Or I'm sorry, cover the tees. >> Or whoever we decide to go with, yes. >> Right. That concept. >> Yes, sir. Yep, that is correct. >> 28's appropriate? That we can get that solicited because I think we voted on that. I don't know, 4

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months ago to get the >> In concept. >> And that depends on if there's a rev share option or another option. So, there's a couple different ways to go with that, Commissioner. >> Okay, moving on to Leisure Services. We'll start off with Rec Center and Parks.

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They have just two items for fiscal year 2027, the software platform, which um that's a replacement software for a software they currently use that's budgeted over in IT, and then they have a resurface ramp road tennis pickleball

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court for 10,000. >> So, this software is the same as the initial year we purchased here, but all the maintenance in out years is already in IT's budget. >> Correct. And I believe there is a cost savings associated with that replacement item. >> Okay. >> [clears throat]

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>> Okay. For the Aquatic Center, um this slide shows their capital request. Um right now it is just the locker room plumbing for 45,000. And in fiscal year 28, they um have updating the pool tile and a locker room

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resurfacing. >> So, Andy, um we just replaced the pool liner, is that correct? >> Yes, that's >> [clears throat] >> Okay. And how long does that usually last? >> That one is about 20 years. >> Okay. >> 15 20 years.

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>> Okay. So, that's why we're not seeing another liner replacement. >> see that for some time. >> Okay, great. >> Yes, this is just the locker room plumbing. >> We're not going to pay the city Cocoa for all that water. >> No, no. >> May not. November, I'm done. I'm done. >> He can run again in 2 years.

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>> Out of here. >> [laughter] >> You're going to need to come back to this crazy budget in 2 years? Are you crazy? >> The pump station building? >> Yeah. >> For 350? >> Got to pay. >> Where you going to go back to? >> Um For the golf?

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>> Sure. >> What's uh what's in that building for to be 350,000? >> I mean for the irrigation system. >> Is it is that what it is? Okay. I mean >> Yeah, it is that for the irrigation. Um Nick can go over it. He works on it with a day-to-day basis.

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>> Okay. >> Uh yes, good evening. It's not really the building. The building will remain. It's the guts inside the building. There's uh very VFD drives that power uh three pumps, two 75 horsepower pumps, and a jockey pump. Um these VFD drives

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are are fried at this point. They work 80% of the time, so um you know, I think we had that in for next year is where it's been planned, but now that it's failing on us, we've moved it up. Um without that, we cannot use our our new irrigation system, so

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>> Do we replace the pumps ourselves or work on the pumps ourselves or do we hire outside sources? >> a preventive maintenance that come out uh quarterly. Um So, I've had you know, I've only been here 9 months, but they've been out a few times in my time. >> Okay. Nick, how old is that pump?

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>> I believe 18 years. >> 18 years? >> Yeah, so it's 15 years, 15 to 20, but um it is it is obsolete. It's an obsolete system at this point. >> It's surprising that wasn't put in when we put the irrigation system in. >> Yeah. >> That's surprising. >> Brad?

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>> Well, it was in the budget. You guys accelerated it back, right? >> [laughter] >> Brad? Um Brad? >> You guys hey, you guys all approved the budget. >> I got a I got a question for Brad. >> That was it. Thank you. >> Brad?

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>> Just so you all are aware, too, on the leisure services is currently going out to bid for that pump house replacement. So, you'll see that brought to you soon. >> So, I did have a question for Brad. So, and I think that's the right guy. At least he'd know.

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Um So, speaking of pump replacements and that's just for the sprinkler system at the golf course. >> Correct. >> Where in this budget do we show the pumps that pump the reuse water

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throughout the city? >> That's in the water reclamation budget. >> Did we already pass all that? >> No. >> We haven't got there yet? >> No. >> Okay. I want to make sure I want to see how much those pumps are. >> He's got three slides for water rack for us to go over for those requests.

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>> [laughter] >> They're coming up. >> Okay. So, if it's 350,000 for three pumps to pump a sprinkler system, I can't imagine what it'd be for the pumping all that reuse water. >> Okay. The next slide is for the CRA

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fund. Um you'll see the wreck center design that we have in 2028. We also have mobile road barriers in fiscal year 27. That is for the police department um for events. And

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then we have a portion of Cedar Woodland Boulevard storm water improvements. And um the design component of the Boulevard Avenue street project that we discussed earlier. >> Yeah, and same coming here on the color of money, the Cedar storm water

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improvements. Is that I noticed there's a similar line item in the storm water fund. Is this just spreading the cost? >> Yes, this is for the This is a shared cost between the storm water fund and also CRA. CRA is paying for a portion of that same project. But

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yes, it is the same project. >> The wreck center is same one down on ramp road. This is updating it. Got it. Mobile, what are >> mobile road barriers? >> Chief Kuan will be up here to answer that. >> Yeah, that's the same thing we put out on the road

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when you have Friday Fest and all that stuff. >> 170 >> No, these are actually a little bit more complicated than that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, Chris talked about it. >> Answer. If they are, they should roll out on their own or something. >> 7,000. >> [laughter] >> And they're controlled from the from the

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command center in Rockledge. >> Right. >> Mayor commission, the the mobile barriers are essentially right now we're kind of a soft target in downtown where we have a lot of events and we have two major roadways going through the events, Friday Fest, Serving

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Santa's, Art Festival, which you'll see usually if you if you're going southbound or northbound is we have our patrol cars parked on the right away to illuminate the area, but then there's just wooden barricades, right? So, it's not always times that it's intentional, it could be a medical event, it could be

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intentional, um several other factors of a car going too fast and they lose control, there's a traffic crash and they could go into the crowd. Um these are hardened barriers that would they're they're extremely heavy, but they're mobile. We can drop them for Friday Fest, link them together. So, if

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a car hits them at a high rate of speed, it'll essentially stop the vehicle within a certain amount of feet depending on how fast they're traveling. If you all follow our social media this past week or the week before, uh we put out a video where a gentleman from

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outside of Cocoa Beach was going 98 miles an hour in a 35. So, it does happen whether it's intentional or not, but this would be a good way to protect the citizenry and tourists alike. >> You move these with forklift? >> Uh no, there's actually a a little jack

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stand that you can with a couple of wheels where you can move them, but they are so heavy that if we deployed all 15 for an event that it comes with a trailer that a 3/4 ton would have to bring to the event location and there's a pneumatic on the trailer to drop them.

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>> Then you got to then you got to push them in place? >> Uh, it's essentially like a pulley system to where you would just a dolly system rather and you would just put them up on their wheels and then move them into place and then drop them. >> How often do you plan on using the new barriers?

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>> Once a month. >> If they are approved they will be out at the these events. >> Now and being that they're in the CRA they can only be used here downtown. We can't move them anywhere else but >> You say it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work to move those barriers that don't have wheels that people trip

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on and hopefully these will don't have tripping areas. I don't know I've only seen pictures of it but this is something absolutely new that we do not have at this >> That is correct. >> That is correct. I I I'm for it 100%.

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>> And I guess extra extra man hours to to have to deploy these compared to the other ones as well. >> Extra >> Extra 20 minutes. >> Is it? Okay. >> I want to know. >> Yeah, all we're trying to do is just harden these targets downtown cuz there's not a lot of room for error.

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>> But it's a similar setup and break out time as the current just standard barricades. >> It's not much longer no and uh >> Okay. >> It kind of we started thinking about this after the New Orleans incident where they ran into the >> Yeah. >> downtown area. That's when we started thinking about this concept.

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>> I'm all for them. I just want to make sure to your point we don't need a team of 20 guys out there to >> That's not our belief on >> We also talked about putting bollards up. >> That is correct. >> in in those places also. Um so >> If any of you have a question about it

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or want to see what it looks like you can you know stop by the PD I'll meet with you know every every one of you any residents that have questions about it due to the pricing please stop by. I'll meet with each and every one of you and explain to you and show you a PowerPoint of how it works. >> It's worth The bollards the bollards I'm talking

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about is you just have a a pole and you put it >> You have a hole in the ground and you have a cover and >> Yeah, they have those that come up and those are >> That'd probably be at a zero >> They work in Florida. >> at a zero to >> What about that those bollards though? Is that some is that actually something

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that would be more cost effective and easier to use? >> They're going to be It'd be would it be cost effective? >> They're fixed and removed only for special occasions. Yes. But if they're removed and people are going to drive

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over the covers that go on them and they're going to still fill up with water and then they're going to corrode. >> Okay. >> And you got to put the poles in them. They got handles on them. >> You got some you got some >> Got them in. >> I run over a cover on Mayland every day.

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>> I know, but this would be a whole bunch more of them that now you can't get the pole in because the cover has marred up the >> Thank you. >> Let's move on. Next. All right. >> Okay, so the next three slides are going to cover the utility system fund

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request. So this is slide one of three for the utilities fund and this is what Brad was mentioning earlier. >> So all these asterisks with the grants are are they 100% funded? Or what are

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Do we know the numbers on those? >> The 12 million is 100% funded. The rest will be SRF loans. >> Okay. SRF loans. Very low interest rate? >> Yeah. >> Negligible? >> Correct. Yeah, SRF loans it's a state um

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a state loan available specifically for water infrastructure improvement projects. And those are low-interest loans that are done through the state. They're usually amortized over the year periods. >> 30 years? >> We currently have SRF loans. >> Approximately what rate is that? >> Um some of the ones we have right now

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are in like the two two and a half percent range. It just depends right now where the rates are, but there are buy-down options depending on the scope of the project and what kind of project it is. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay, can I ask what the the FDOT

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drainage project for Cape Canaveral is? >> Huh, sorry. It's just the bane of my existence. >> project. >> Ugh. So, FDOT is doing a drainage project in Cape Canaveral next fiscal year um and it is requiring all local

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utilities to move their utilities out of the way so that they can put their storm water pipes in the ground. So, we currently have the port force main that runs down A1A that's going to be in conflict in about four areas with FDOT storm pipes. And they are requiring

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us to relocate that pipe so that that it doesn't come into conflict. >> You think FDOT would give everybody a grant for that? >> They won't. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. That may be an item we could reach out to folks in in ask for some help on or influence or impact. It just It really does seem off that they would come into existing infrastructure and demand

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changes without any resourcing and just leverage that on to residents and voters of Brevard. It just seems weird. It seems like we would have folks that care about that. >> Yes, Commissioner Williams. >> Oh. Did you

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You went past this slide. >> Sorry. >> Um [clears throat] reuse storage tank mural project. There's a 100,000 here. 1.4 million you're short. >> What's that? Which one?

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>> Reuse storage tank mural project. >> the enterprise fund. So, these funds for enterprise for storm water, for CRA, for utilities, these do not involve um ad valorem funds or um the reserve balance that we spoke about earlier for general funds.

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>> can blow money on stuff like this with >> Well, we're not blowing >> Well, the reserve balance within the enterprise funds currently are healthy. They're meeting everything. They're sustaining itself because they have their own revenues that are generated to support their expenses. >> Is anybody going to make a decision on

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what this mural's going to be? Are we just going to tell somebody like they do around downtown and just throw up a mural? >> Well, we're working on it. It's a project in in uh um it's being just discussed right now. I had the idea of putting murals on

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those on the on the tanks out there rather you know what every so often we got to paint them, right? So, why not paint them with something that looks you know that's attractive rather than a a dull beige or >> How many >> lime green or whatever.

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>> We're 100,000. Four tanks? >> Yeah. Okay. So, it's in a project. It'll be coming to a an agenda item down the road. >> Well, I suppose if you're going to spend >> Hopefully after November. >> Yeah, definitely after November. >> 50 or 75,000 to paint them

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white, what what's an extra little bit to have them >> And just to add on another thought that I had was to put a city of Cocoa Beach on top them, so when we get Google uh you know aerial pictures of it you can see this is Cocoa Beach. You

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know what I'm saying? >> Like we're going to do another helicopter ride or something. >> When you know that's your part-time job when you're giving tours of city of Cocoa Beach in the helicopter. >> What's the What's the reclaimed distribution system rehab the 400k and

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then the 700k recurring? Second from the bottom or third from the bottom? >> Yes, so last year we did a tier one assessment of our reclaimed distribution system. This [clears throat] will cover tier two based on the recommendations

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from the tier one report. And this it aligns with one of the consent order items that we got with FDEP a couple years ago. So we need to We need to show improvements on our reclaimed system to comply with that consent order. >> Got you. >> Does that include pumps?

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>> Uh we don't have any pumps in the reclaimed budget next year. >> No. Are there's no pumps in this budget? >> Uh we do have a couple small pumps in this budget for the >> big pumps that pump the whole city they're all great shape, no problem?

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>> Uh on that that last line right there, the 45,000, that is to refurbish one of our 250 reuse pumps. >> So 45,000 for that >> you use it? >> To to refurbish [clears throat] it. >> Refurbish it. >> Right, versus

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a pump that does the sprinkler system for the golf course for 170,000? >> Those are 90 horsepower pumps. Those are very expensive. >> Okay. >> We We just got new pumps for the water wreck like what, 3 years ago? Or we ordered them or is that Am I thinking of something

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>> our inventory full of spare pumps throughout the past 5 years. >> And that's on an enterprise fund as well. >> I got to keep that water moving. >> Right. >> Yes. >> Yeah, it's it's the utilities, but we want to be diligent, right? If we don't need to spend we're all paying it in our water bill. >> Yeah.

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>> I got it. Most of the focus is on it on the milling. >> he was asking about pumps, but I'm saying our pumps are relatively new, right? >> A lot of our pumps are very new, yes. >> Yeah. Okay. And and I have to say the the amount of water

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I don't know if you know this off the top of your head, but the amount of water that we that we're pushing to irrigate the golf course, um compared to the amount of money we're pushing in waste water to residents,

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what's the ratio there? Is it Is it a 50/50? Is it 60/40? Is it What is it What is the Give me an idea. >> number off the top of my head, but >> Did Did I ask that correctly? Do you understand what I'm saying, right? >> You want to find the ratio of how much we're giving the golf course versus the residents?

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>> Yeah, like how many gallons per per minute are we pumping out on the golf course compared to gallons per minute pumping to city residents? Um >> I I don't want to give you an inaccurate answer, but >> I'm just throwing that out there because it may just be the same cuz from what I

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understand is we can't just you can't use the water reclaimed water pumps that we use for the city residents to pump the water on the golf course because it would the dirt is not strong enough to handle >> It would create pressure issues in the

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city. >> Right. So, >> and then also when there's stoppages or breaks in the line, Brad, right? >> Yeah, cuz currently we're on restrictions. So, if we go on restrictions >> How far away are these these two pumps from each other? The one for the the

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reclaimed and the one for the >> One's on the golf course and the other one's in the >> They're right across the street from each other? >> Across the street, couple thousand feet. >> Would Would it be wise to have piping where they could be redundant for each other just in case.

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>> There is piping existing under Tom Warner right now that leads to that pump house, but there are no pumps at our facility that are connected to that pipe currently. >> So in the future it would be wise to to join those for redundancy where you

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could use either or just in the case of an emergency or whatever we need to do. >> Yeah, Commissioner Tumulty has asked me to look into that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I'm just throwing wild out idea here. Is the sprinklers if they're pumping reclaimed water at the golf course can we not put

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them in the utility fund? >> No. >> They're pumping reclaimed water out on the golf course. >> It's water. It's just the water. It's not we're not using >> No, it's reclaimed water. >> It's reclaimed water. >> My point is if the utilities pumping

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that reclaimed water this gets it out of the general fund onto the utilities fund. Just an idea. Pumping the same water whether it goes to your sprinklers or whether it goes to the golf course sprinklers. >> What? >> The water's already treated before it

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>> So that that pump that pump could maybe be purchased through the enterprise fund possibly is what he's trying to say, right? >> Yeah, I mean so >> We're going to use it as a redundant backup. I get the idea. >> Well no, I mean the end user, right? I'm

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pumping reclaimed water in my yard. We're doing the same thing on the golf course. The golf course is a good asset to have to distribute the reclaimed water. >> If you're looking from a budget management if I'm doing the same thing why am I not looking at it? >> It's it's not something I think we can answer right now, but something we need

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to look into. >> Yeah, we will. >> It's a It's a very good idea. >> Why don't you flip Why don't you put the $45,000 pump on the general fund but the $350,000 pump on the utility fund? >> So I don't forget. >> I do. We'll evaluate

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your suggestions. >> I just said that. >> Okay, our last slide. Our last slide for the Stormwater Fund, um we have fiscal year 2027 requests. All of the outline years, again, you'll see in fiscal year 2028, it's a little bit

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higher with for some of the projects that have been deferred. >> [clears throat] >> So, um uh Mayor I would like to thank the staff for all being here, answering our questions, public for being here,

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and uh if you wanted to go to public comment or commission comments or wrap this up and give them another month or so to work on it. >> Are you Are you done with your presentation? >> Yes, sir, I am. Thank you. Uh >> [laughter]

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>> Thank you all. The next meeting that is associated with budget, it's going to be July 16th, where we set the max millage rate. Um and that concludes today's budget workshop. >> be at a regular commission meeting. >> Correct. And that's going to be on Thursday. >> great job. Thank you so much. I'm

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very hopeful that we have a much tighter process and discipline. So, thank you for that. Thank you, Wes. >> Thank [snorts] you, Hannah. >> Yeah, thank Thank you, Hannah. And I mean, I've I've been very pleased with you. You You've been amazing since the day you stepped in here. >> So, so thank you.

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>> Thank you. I appreciate it. >> Uh public comment, if you'd like to come up and ask questions or make a comment. >> Uh I don't know if you need my name. KP Fink, uh Seminole name. Um couple of remarks that I saw. Uh last year, this

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skip actually made uh make a a comment to improve these documents a little bit. Where you say we have grant funds, that there would be a number associated with how much grants grant funds would be coming in rather than just here's a five and a half million dollar project and there may be some

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grant funds. So, it'll be extremely helpful when you read these documents to see what we hope to get. We may not get it but it is we hope so. Uh secondly as a general comment uh clearly this is a budget that kicks a lot of stuff down the road. Uh you have clearly um a millage rate in

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mind uh hence they're kicking the can down the road. Uh I would urge you to think about this is the last year you can probably milk the cow. Get the millage rate to the highest number that you can get. The next few years you'll be suffering because the ad

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valorem taxes will go down. Nobody I mean nobody expects that we are fiscally responsible and vote against this uh tax reduction. That's probably not going to happen. So, the for the next few years you'll be chasing money and you'll be begging for grants.

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This is your last chance to actually pull projects in rather than kicking them out. Just food for thought. Thank you. >> Thank you. Good comments. Thank you. Uh go ahead. >> Janice Scott, Cocoa Beach. Okay, so I made a couple of observations

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uh that we went over and it was great. Thank you. And I hope none of the staff whatever your department you don't take any of my comments personally. Um but as far as the driving range lift station

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for half a million dollars, there's another expense there 1.8 million. That's 2.3 million dollars just for the driving range. So, um following up on some comment I wasn't quite sure where you were going

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Commissioner Tumulty about the golf reclaimed water consumption versus the residents but I just did want to point out that we are we do pay we residents pay every month for I realize that you're resident and you

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pay also, but this is all going my whole um point of view, as you know, is the incredible expense we pay for recreation.

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There are no stats who is is using these facilities. Who's playing golf? Who's using the swimming pool? Who's using the skate park? There's landscaping for the skate park. I could pick out enough of these what I would call frivolous things on here,

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especially about the landscaping because you know, we've got over 20-year obligation to to clean the um invasive species out of the maritime hammock. There isn't one word in this budget about that. Um

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the leisure services, I thought when USTA took over the tennis, they were going to pretty basically take on the expenses. I see another there were some maintenance things done last year. Now we have another $85,000

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that we're doing at the tennis, which I thought the USTA was going to take care of those things. That was the big deal um about USTA. You let us have the 10-year contract and we're going to take care of everything. Um

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the skate park um is landscaping. I've mentioned that. There's another place there's some landscaping. My notes are not as organized as they probably could have been if I'd seen the budget ahead of time. Um >> [clears throat]

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>> but in some communities where the kids get to use the skate park for free. They make them have fundraisers to raise money to do amenities for their skate park. If you want to have lights. Here's the other thing about the lights. I don't

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know if that school contract requires us to pay $10,000 a year for lights. But back in the day when we had a big donnybrook with the Little League over paying for lights. This is historical here. I think the Elks Club stepped up

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and paid for the lights. Those are the things that your fraternal organizations, the 501s in your community, may help you out with. Why are we obligated as residents to pay for the lights that are never turned off when it's raining. You come over the

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bridge at 10:00 at night. It's pouring down rain and the lights are on on the ballpark. Um Let's see. One of I'm just mean spirited, I can tell you. Oh, and the ISO rating. Um even though the fire station's at the

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end of my street, I never got any decrease. It's an ISO two or something from where I could hop, skip, and jump to the fire station. So, I think that's an insurance conversation everybody likes to have. I would not build a new fire station

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because it's going to do something for the ISO rating. for Snug Harbor or for the north side. But um it's nice that you're going to get that grant. That'd be a very nice thing. If you do intend to rebuild the fire station,

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absolutely with the grant. If not, maybe defer it like some other things. One last comment. I never see it I saw that the pump for the gas station's being replaced. Um what is the consumption? How much gasoline is being

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pushed through uh public works for the fire fire police and I know, but we never see the figure. >> and all the city vehicles. >> Maybe it could be a public figure. Thank you. >> Thank you, Janice.

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Go ahead, Rick. >> Rick Anderson, 1800 Minuteman Causeway. Um, I just see a whole bunch of flashing red lights and clanging signals. Um, so it appears that during the past year we'd with we'd withdrew 33% from our

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reserve fund during a time of relative prosperity just to balance last year's budget. Um, we have to go probably on the assumption that that that Florida voters are going to vote themselves a tax cut in November. And thanks, by the way, thank thank you all for doing the incredible amount of

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homework you have to do to go through those numbers page by page and number by number cuz it's it's it's an overwhelming task and obviously I wasn't able to do it before the meeting, but so I'm talking more in general trends, but just looking at all those slides, I saw fiscal year 28 loaded up with this and

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this and this and this. So in in in in 28 and then there was discussion of pushing a couple of the 27 items, particularly $5 million for the fire station and for the park on Ocean Park Boulevard. The

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pushing them back into 28. My opinion is that the 27 budget, at the very least, should try to restore the $6 million that we took out of the reserve fund, which shouldn't have been taken out in the first place. And at the very least it should fund

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everything in 27 that we want to do without re- deferring anything to 28. And if it's something we're going to want to defer to 28, you either have to decide are we going to do it at all or if we're going to do it, we need to do it in '27. >> Thank you.

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And you're right. So, that's something that Hannah and and the staff has done. Like she said, she she asked and I think our city manager asked to reduce your your budget by 10%, which will put us in our where we're supposed to be for reserves,

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back up to the 10 million. But, uh that said, in order for us to be without digging into our reserves, we wanted to come up with another 800,000 for us to be 100%, you know, um you know, neutral.

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So, we we will be there. We're going to we're going to make that happen and Hannah's actually done a great job with uh with the financing for that. So, even though, yes, uh that was a 6.7 million-dollar uh

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I don't even know what you want to call it. >> It was a >> It was not It was not correct how it was done. >> It paid for this building. >> It did. So, but it forced us to be very fiscally conservative this year to and we still got this building paid for, but

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it actually forced us to to to be very conservative with the budget. And we actually, I think, at the end, we're going to come out ahead of where we would have been if we didn't do it. So, I think Hannah's actually um doing the right thing. If we can cut back another 800,000, we're going to be our reserves

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are going to be right and we're not going to have that extra 7.8 million, which was a loan that we would have had to take. So. >> And Rick, so exactly why I have never voted for a budget is I've been sounding these alarms. Deficit spending is unsustainable. So, I think we have much

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better discipline. We have much better skill set that we can start accomplishing things. But, you're exactly right. We've kicked the can on the road and we're kicking a lot of more cans down the road. I just don't agree that raising taxes is the right way to recover. I think the discipline to get us there. But, that's precisely why I've never voted for a budget because we

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deficit spend for the last 3 years that I've been a commissioner, so hopefully we won't this year, we'll see, but good point. >> Thank you. >> Um you can go Go ahead and go to the back if you like. We've got a few more people. >> Yeah, go ahead.

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>> I can't get back through that door. >> Greg Lund, Porpoise Lane, Cocoa Beach. I think um there's there's a couple ways to look at it, and what I heard tonight at this meeting was how we have to cut this, cut that, we have to delay this project, delay

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that project, but in the end you either increase revenues or you cut your expenses. And I think that we need to have a paradigm shift in this community about increasing our revenues instead of cutting our expenses.

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When you defer a project that's going to make a couple million dollars a year in revenues till 2028, and I'm talking about the driving range, it doesn't make sense in my book because it's a revenue revenue generating project, and I think we can look at a lot of

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underutilized assets in our community and turn them into revenue generating projects. And I also think we need to tap into other sources of income in this community that haven't been thought about. That's really all I have to say. I just

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I I I don't think we're looking at it in the right way. We're We're talking about cut this, cut that instead of why can't we increase this revenue and generate more income for the city? >> Thank you, Greg. >> That's extremely well said, and I think it's it's something that city manager

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you're already looking into, but the the cut cut cut is where there's waste, completely, but the city has a job to do, and I think the city manager is exactly thinking down that path. There's There's immense amount of wealth that moves through the

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city, but not to the city. And the opportunities associated with that, we're foolish to not take them. >> Any other public comment? Going, going. We are adjourned.