And we'll ask this city attorney to read the order of business. Okay. Um, new business. Item one, discuss fiscal year 2026 proposed five-year capital improvement program budget request. Staff Representative AJ
Hudson, City Manager Hannah Huh Han, Finance Director. Please proceed. Hi, good evening. Um, welcome to budget workshop number one. Um, today, oh, get
the agenda here. Today's agenda will include the millage rate comparison between us and our neighbors in Bvard County, an overview of the city's current debt obligations, and lastly, the department's requested capital expenditures for the 5-year CIP.
Um, the CIP being presented is not finalized. The intent is to brief the commission on those department requests and facilitate discussion on the items that have been requested. staff is here tonight to brief your requested projects, answer any questions
that you may have. So, our first slide here um is a summary of our mill rate, our roll back mill rate, and how it compares to our neighbors in Bvard County. Um our millillage, it's currently in the middle when ranked lowest to highest in
Bard County. Out of the 10 local governments, we're number five. Um, looking at the comparison, you'll see that population wise share a lot of similarity to Satellite Beach. Their current rate right now is 1.8168
higher than ours. Um, while we see significantly more tourists, so I just wanted to point that out. Um, Cape Canaveral, they're able to offer its low rate because of the revenue which they receive from the port. Um, additionally,
their fire department, their costs are primarily supported also by the port and their sheriff. Yes. Okay. The next slide I have for you is debt summary. This shows all of the current
city operations um categorized by type. So starting off at the top, the darker shade of blue, it's all the general fund obligations. Remaining balance as of um September 30th, 2026 is 13 million.
The light blue underneath when you say as of September 30th, 206, which a year in advance, yes, this budget would project that we would still have that 13 million in the general
fund. Correct. So this is after all payments have been made for fiscal year 26. Copy. Um the light blue underneath are the CRA deplications. Currently there's a remaining two or there will be a remaining 2.1 million. Um the green is
utility system obligations totaling 14.8 million. And lastly storm water with remaining balance of 693,000. The total balance of city debt is 33.3 million with the fiscal year 26 annual
debt service totaling just over 4 million between the principal and interest payments. That's the amount that will be in fiscal year 26 budget to cover all of the obligations that we have. Okay. The next several slides it'll give
an individual breakout of the debt schedules and the amorizations. Okay. Slide one. The first one on the left is the debt that was obtained for the fire station construction. The original loan amount was 3.7 million um at a 3.2A interest rate. The amount
remaining um is 2.3 million. To the right we have the debt that was taken out for the police station construction. Originally the loan amount was 8.5 million at a 2.45% rate. Um there's my annual payments that
are made and at the end of fiscal year 26 the remaining debt will be 7.7 million. And I have a question. Is there any of this debt you would consider retiring? Yes. So there is one um debt
schedule for the and if you're getting to it that's fine. I'm just yeah it's going to be I think in three slides there there is one debt schedule where the remaining payment will be made in fiscal year 26. um make sure fire well I meant also from
like an interest rate does it make sense financially to retire some of the debt even if it's multi-year maybe when the rates come down if there's one example I'll go through with you to where it's a low interest rate it was a refunding bond for SRF loans um it was re done at
a lower rate 2020 so if rates are to fall and it's to make sense for the city to refinance certain loans loans and group together, we absolutely will take advantage of that, but the rates have to come down a little bit more than where they're at currently for it to make sense.
Next slide on the left, that loan, it was um a special obligation revenue note in 2019. The original amount was 1.1 million at a 2.45% interest rate. There's semiannual payments that are being made and at the end of fiscal year
26 there will be a remaining balance of 876,000. To the right of that we have another schedule for series 2024 loan. This was the loan that was taken out for the city hall construction. The
amount of the loan was 3.9 million at a 3.96% rate. Um the total debt remaining is 4.6 million. And this is one example of a loan that potentially can be refinanced in the
future since it is at the 3.96% interest rate. If if rates are default, it makes for the city to pursue refinancing that loan and that was on a state revolving loan. No sir, this was um just a special
revenue note I believe through TNC um that was done year for two years in 2024. So we could look at the Florida state revolving no the state revolving fund loans those
are only for water infrastructure projects those are through D. Okay. Okay. The next slide on the left is the debt schedule for the fire tower truck in the amount of 1.2 million. This loan
was secured at a 1.78% interest rate and the amount remaining at the end of fiscal year 6 is just over 1 million. To the right we have a schedule for golf cart equipment lease. Um this was originally 467,000
and the remaining will be 139,000. For the CRA, we have the parking garage. The original loan amount was 4.2 million um at a rate of 2.95%. The annual payments that are currently being made. The debt remaining will be
2.7 million. To the right of that is um a equipment lease for a vacon truck. The original amount was 440,000. This item will be paid off within fiscal year 26. Um the interest rates currently
1.34% but the amount remaining will be paid with a debt obligation of 91,722 remaining. So this will be our final payment made for fiscal year 26 and you won't see this item appear again in fiscal year 27. Okay. question on that
and I don't know if it's Brad or who it is but it says equipment lease for vacuum contract. So when did you know when does that lease expire and are we going to have to buy another one or can we buy out that lease? Yeah. Once we
make the final payment we own it outright and then we don't need another vac truck. Okay. So it was it was a lease to own. Lease to own. Yes purchase. Okay. If you do that sliding put bank equipment lease to own. Okay,
we'll do. Okay, the next slide includes um utility system revenue refunding bond for series 2020. This item was a consolidation of SRF loans that were refinanced at a 1.61
interest rate in 2020. Um, these loans support the cost of treatment plant and collection system improvements. These were the loans that were done through D and then refinanced when the rates were low. To the right of that is another SRF loan. Um, this is for loan number
050630. The original loan amount was just over 5.1 million with an average interest rate of 9%. Um, this item was for treatment plant improvements. The remaining balance at the end of
fiscal year 26 will be just over 3.9 million. Okay. And lastly, we have Saraf loan for storm water improvements. This was originally taken out in the amount of 1.1 million. Um another low interest rates between.56 to 1.48.
Um there's currently the remaining amount of 1.2 million. Okay. Our fiveyear CIP. So this slides it's a it's a comprehensive summary of all department CIP request. That's just an overview.
Um I'd like to note that in fiscal year 26 under capital improvement projects 53 million of the 58 million is for the muck capping project of which 41 million is covered by grants which have already been awarded. Um, for that project there
was 12 million awarded by the D and 29 million awarded from Saur Indian River Lagoon. And we think we're going to get to the balance. That's still for the balance. I'm not sure if there are other grants available at this time
or if um Sorl would like to contribute additional grant funds. Um I'm not sure what I propose to do under the muck capping project. um wasn't reflected in this draft is to revise the fiscal year 26 request only to reflect what is
covered in funds and to split remaining balance in outlying years. But I want to have that discussion with you all to for you all to be able to provide your input for the path forward. So I think what you said is there's potentially $12 million of liability on the city if we
don't get matching grants. Correct. Spread that out over can we do that project wise or we finance it? Just move it out. Yes. the the grants that we've received or have been awarded, those do not include matching. Right. Okay. So,
I was never a big fan of the muck capping project because I know we're getting $41 million to do it, but putting good dirt over muck and
waiting for time to have that muck pull back up and mix in with good dirt. Mhm. You're going to end up with, you know, three times as much to dig out versus if they would have just dug out the muck. And I've stood on the desk a couple
times and lost. But now it's going to cost city $12 million to do something that future generations are going to have to deal with. And I'm assuming we can't scale the project and not do that million dollars in scope. like we can't reduce the scope
of what we're doing to just basically execute what we're getting for. Yeah. The way it's structured is the whole thing. Yeah. These people pay this much, these people pay this much, we pay this much, but scope Yeah. stays the same. If
we start decreasing scope, then they're going to decrease their their pieces. It's going to get messy real fast. Got it. Okay. So, as we go through slides, I have city staff here. As you can see, we have a turnout from all of our departments
tonight, but um they're here to brief you or to answer any questions you may have as we go through the slides um specific to their departments. Can I suggest, but at least highlight what's the big needle mover changes from years prior or
the last, you know, last five years of CIP? Sure. Well, yeah, like she just did when she said, "Oh, look at fiscal year 2026 66 million versus 12 for the next year." Yeah. Yeah. Going through the next few slides, there's a breakout. So, this is just a summary page and then um
everything is itemized for each department going forward in the next few slides and it still shows the five-year separation between 26 to 30. So, while we're still on this slide, the FY27 is 12 million and 28 is three and a half.
So tell us what is the thing in 27 that really drives this up. So the bulk of 27 is the capital improvement projects. Um as you'll notice when we go through to that page to the division 3170 there are quite a few projects that have been listed. Um, at the beginning of the
budget cycle, of course, we were told, staff was told to include all of the projects that were being requested so it could show a fair representation of what projects are needed citywide and that, you know, we the commission on these items, your feedback on what you'd like
to see staff proceed with for your goals of the city. And just as we we're going through this, there's potential that some of those things could move to the following year. Absolutely. So, this is
not a final version by any means. We're very early on in the budget process still with it being June. At this time, TRIM has started. The trim calendar starts in July 1st and that's when I'm provided the pre the the finalized rates from the property appraisers office and
the information from the state so I could better project our revenues and have actual figures to base a budget off of. So at this time this is all preliminary figures as a holding place on what departments have requested from us. This is not a finalized IP. Yeah. I
mean you just think about it take out 53 million because that's a onetime fee out of that 91. So we're 30 now. We have a 9:30. We're down to 3012. So I think there's a lot of opportunity. You can see that out future. There certainly is. And this is why you know the purpose of this workshop is so get together and we
can hear your input and you know you guys can have the opportunity to speak to those items so we can continue making budget cuts. I like that the department are putting in everything that they see is needed. Not advocating that it's got to happen
now, but it at least it gets it in front of us. Right. A lot of feedback that we've received as a staff is that there's a lot of projects that were put to the burner for several years and there's certain things that need to occur to have the city looking the way that we want it to look. Um, so for that reason, we were told to put in that's
being requested and to later have the conversation for you all to make the determinations on how we'd like to proceed. And for the public, that's this is just one piece of the budget. This is capital improvement plan. There's a whole
another piece of all the departments and how they run and employee uh you know the plan raises and everything else and how that all plays into it. You won't see that here tonight. Correct. budget workshop 2 and include all of our operating expenses,
revenues that we anticipate to come in from our various sources along with personnel schedules and any um costs that are associated with that along with um various scenarios for the mill the proposed milit rates. So
that'll all be in workshop 2. Okay. So included in your packets are also the NAVL reports. 9 isn't our accounting software that's used. Um, in those reports, there's comments that justify each individual requested item. Um, if a
request was being made by a department that included a statutory requirement, it was indicated in those comments. Um, some of these items also have grant funding available for some of the projects. The city, they'll seek they'll seek after those grants if a decision is
made to move forward. For some of the projects, it didn't make sense for staff to seek grant funding, not knowing if it was an item that they would proceed in or not. Um, but for several of the projects, there is grant funding that is potentially available um that staff would complete the
application for and see if it's awarded that would help cover some of the expenditures. Okay. So, first we have information technology They are requesting computer tablets, laptops. Um, and that's normal for all
of their years, fiscal year 26 through 29. Um, along with other items. If there's any specific questions you have pertaining to the request, I have them here from IT IT director. Just go ahead and hit the big one. The $130,000 for
storage server. I mean, I could buy a terabyte thumb drive $59. I just like you got to have a storage server. How many terabytes do you need
at $59? Right now, we're using 60 terabytes. You don't want to reach that limit. So, as things, you know, become more digital, we need to plan for more storage. Um, so you don't want to run your storage at capacity because that's when you start
things start to break and you see performance degradation. Um, the big price that you're seeing here is that our current storage um storage network server is end of life and out of support. So we need to replace it. It's not supported by manufacturing. When did
we purchase that? Uh I would say seven years ago, but I can get the exact date if you That's the one that we put in the fire station. Yes, sir. Actually the second one put the first one we included in the fire station was end of life as well no supported so we had to
replace it afterwards. So we have another one that's going to end of life not supported. And this particular storage server that you're tagging this $130,000 on.
Have you done research on this company to know that they're not going to be end of life not supported within the next 10 years? 10 years. I think it's hard to tell with technology, but I think 10 years may be a bit much to ask for a
storage server in this time. It's not as data data storage server. Yes, sir. What company are you looking at? Uh the model that we're now at is from Dell.
We're seeing one from HP. Kevin, is there any appetite for like cloud storage or does it have to? Um it it is interesting to think about cloud storage, but I don't it cloud storage the price of it is coming down, but it's still much more expensive than on-remise storage. Um the other thing with that is
that it comes into a bunch of security concerns especially with the regulations that we need to comply with like for the uh police department. So you're talking 60 terabytes 130,000. So you're talking about spending $2,166
per terabyte. Yes, sir. for this server. Yes. When I can buy a terabyte stick for $59. Yes. I I think the grade of the consumer the consumer grade the prices they're seeing is is much different than the drives that will be going in that need to be run 24/7
and need to be um redundant. I think that's more of what you're you're paying for is the software and support know that the city is not going to lose any of the data integrity and that those things will be replaced as they break. All right. And and you got you're saying
this is currently a Dell choice and you have looked at other companies. Yes, we have. We were previously using HP and Dell in this case was the most competitive. And you're talking about a server. You're not just talking about a storage
drive, right? No. Yeah. I'm talking about system data managing. Yes. It's actually the backbone of our virtual infrastructure. That's where everything is stored for our infrastructure. And
does it have a B side? So it's redundant. Uh all the drives are redundant. It has a you know A and B side power sources, network sources, and it's all under 247. I think the the return is that if one of the drives go
bad, which it can tolerate that the drive will be here within eight hours to be replaced. So no data is lost. So you have data on the A side, mirror data on the B side and if you lose one side, you run on the other side until you can get
a replacement for the other side. I I think that would in simplest terms, yes. I unless you want to get into there's something that's called RAID and it's how the data is written across multiple drives how there's built-in redundancy
so you can have you able to tolerate uh two drives failing without losing any data. Okay. I'm I'm being interested in the next go of this uh budget talk to find out uh what the actual supported
warranty is. Sure. And if there is a potential for an extended warranty and what that could be because Dell's going to be around, HP is going to be around, you know, give them both a shout shout
out and see if they want to compete. Yeah, I mean I can take a look. I think if it stayed on their website when the models are going to be sunseted and no longer be supported by the company just as a matter of like policy do we have some kind of dollar threshold where
we buy warranty not just it citywide where we consider warranty or it's just kind of case by case because I agree I think I think we can make strategic decisions on what items get warrantied and it's worth you shouldn't just buy extended warranties on everything. That's what I'm saying. I don't want on
anything. And I think I'm making out, right? But the opposite do the analysis to know what but on something like this where this historic all the city's data it's critical. Yes. All the historical data everything is there. Right. Kevin,
did you did you talk with folks AWS or anybody? I know from a security standpoint, they're handling way more than we're ever going to. Um, in terms of cost comparison for life cycle associated with the server to include all of the supported services, security, things like that. Um, did you do a
side-by-side comparison for what it would cost to to have maintain do all our own services associated with the storage infrastructure versus AWS or and and not them specifically, you know, Azure cloud or Google Cloud or or any
smaller provider? Uh, we've looked at it previously. I did not look at it this year but I think uh besides the storage moving uh just the storage would give us significant challenges uh moving our if we move storage there like moving the entire server infrastructure into the
cloud as well or doing something hybrid would I don't like that a lot of challenges but I I think there will be one day when it is cost effective but it's not yet interested to see the just kind of where we're at in the comparison of course I can get that for you we're
making a lot of changes federally and generators often the the major increase in cost is because and this is probably not the case with with your department but there's a lot of things that we're in the federal government not doing and
so we're not paying for it and so the costs look you know significantly off but then when you recognize all of the should dos and good to do that you should that should be done that's what you're paying for in the difference so it just be interested to see the comparison. Yeah, I can definitely get
you uh the comparison to how much it would take our infrastructure into the club. Be great. Thank you. No problem. And what I'm saying is I'm more interested in, you know, delving down between the two companies. What is their bottom line on warranty and is there
potential for an extended that means have to support longer than their current warranty? Means say it's continue to produce parts to be able to support that, right? And what that cost would be because in the American
automotive climate right now in the United States, any car produced in the United States, even if it's a oneoff and it fails the first year, that company has to produce parts for that car for 10 years.
Okay. So, yeah, I can definitely see what I can find out for you, sir. Okay. Sorry to No, no, you're all right. drag this out over $130,000, but every dollar counts. Good. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you, Kevin.
You're back. Did you have a nice rest? I did. The next slide we have is our city clerk. Her request. Okay. Next, Karen, you want to give her the stage? Okay. Any questions for this item? It's for a
public record software for 20,000. This is an item that Karen, my understanding, has requested for several years now. No. Okay. I'll give you anything besides her looking up public records and pulling hairs out.
Next we have the police's CIP. Okay. Hi. Do you guys have any questions? I'm I I'm really I'm really surprised. I'm really surprised looking at these numbers like in a good way, bad way. No,
in a good way. Good. In a good It looks like you've been infrugal in your numbers. I have been. Yes, sir. And I and I can actually tell you I met with Hannah prior to this. Um the last items on the CIP budget, the XL 95P 800
megahertz for 71,000 and the XG75M mobiles for 26,000. those can go away as well. So, um, we don't need those. We have an excess of radios and we just kind of had a meeting prior to this and just made sure, but we don't radios
also. Okay. So, that's the 800 MX. Yep. We're going to I think we need um actually we just need two of the uh XG75M instead of what we had on there as uh we had five. And we only need two of
those. But we don't need any of the XL95PS or any of that stuff because we already have an excess radios even for special events, air shows, any issues. We have a ton of extra radios and plus any extra radios that we have, we have to pay an extra backbone fee to the
county for uh maintenance on that radios and just for the rights to be on the system. Okay. What about, you know, replacement batteries and stuff? We're all set. We're all good. Yep. Um and that includes fire, too. We have enough for police and fire. Okay. And then uh
just for the heck of it, ballistic shields. Yeah. What are those? And those are heavy uh just that shields that that you know that stop bullets. Is it the kind you hold? That is correct. Yes, sir. Uh full length. Uh we have one with
a little cut hole so you can see through it. Yes, sir. We have one hole to put your gun through. No. No. You got to reach around the side. the upgraded model. You're thinking I don't want to give away our tactics, Commissioner. No. Um, we have one shield holder and then
the rest do the actual police work. Um, no, we had one. We tried it out and it was awesome. It's helped us out uh in a hospital standoff situation that we had recently. Uh, we've used it in other incidents. Yeah, I don't blame me. They also have expiration dates though, so we
want four, one for each squad. Okay. And this Glock 47 handgun with light. That's not one gun for $67,000. No, we need to replace our uh arsenal here. Our guns are 9 years old. So, how many is that?
Uh I'm approximately guessing 50ish around 55. Okay. And that will re outfit our department for the next seven to 10 years. When you when you update this slide, can you add the quantity on the Sure. Yes, sir. Please, we can do that. Chief, I'm sure you've already looked at
this, but in terms of just replacing segments across time, it's better to buy as a lot so that your maintenance there's uniformity in all of the parts components is correct. Okay, that is correct. Yeah, those guns are coming up on nine
years. So, that's a long time to have guns. But not having multiple models in the arsenal at time. Yeah, it's a it's tough to take the maintenance on that the main schedule. When do they come out of rotation? Mhm. It's just better to come all at once. Yep. Especially if we change platforms if we were to ever do
that. You know, we don't want half SIG, half Glock, whatever. So, any other question I can answer for the commission. Thank you, Chief. Okay. Thank you. So, we're talking $1,200 handgun, but that has a special light
and all that good stuff. Yeah. uh fully fitted with the flashlight on top and the RMR site, the red dot site on on top as well. Okay. Yep. And there's one for each commissioner. And they did one for each commissioner. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And do you need do only if you hold it
to the Have you thought about with that flashlight on top? Are they going to need a special holster? Sorry. The flashlight's going to be on the bottom. The armar is going to be on top. And that's the holster. That's the gun. That's the light. That's the holster comes with it. We're all set. Yes, sir. Okay. I was like, okay. You're going to be like, "Oh, we forgot holsters." Yeah.
Good. All right. All right. Thank you, Chief. Um, next slide we have the fire department with Chief Grimes. We're good. No, you got any questions? Yeah. You need a new uh fire truck and that's for not We
lease the ladder truck. It's the same thing. It's called a lease, but it's a lease own. But this is just like 50 and 51, the smaller trucks. Yeah. Yeah. And so what we usually do is enter into it's a 40-month build time. It's ridiculous,
honestly. So we try to enter into the build time earlier rather than later to lock in a lower price. Um, in fact, you know, uh, so that's a nonladder truck for 3 million. It could be a ladder truck, but that is what the cost of an
engine is with contingencies. We're very close to the cost of a ladder truck there, but a new fire engine is now 1.1. Um, and just for a little bit more clarification on that, there's actually um uh two senators have asked for some
antirust law type things going on with some of the manufacturers because of the prices and the lead times. So, not the manufacturer we use, but they uh like Rev Group, some of these companies, um they're the ones that have kind of a monopoly on the firet trucks and they're
they're kind of driving that world. So, um for instance, most of the trucks we buy, by the time they show up, they've almost increased in value by 100%. It's kind of crazy. But but you're saying that a truck that would cost 1.1 million
now we're saying we buying FY29 for 1.2, but that would be only if we ink it and don't have to pay for it till 2029. So I'll use a good example. Our our previous ladder truck that we paid 1.2 for um we were entered into that
agreement and when it showed up it was worth over a million. So um by locking into an earlier is we we enter into an agreement with them so we can lock in a price so that we don't get caught with the the price increases.
So that's how the we've been it it doesn't if you plan it's beneficial. If you don't plan you're you're you're kind of stuck because you end up having to buy um someone so other companies are now buying truck spots. So they're they're
purchasing spots so they can flip them. So if you don't plan, all of a sudden that truck is now another $300,000 more because someone's bought the spots. So it's kind of an issue going on in the fire service right now. Okay. I' I'd like your your thought process, Justin.
Uh but just a little more detail on what kind of truck that's going to be. Yeah. So the there's you tell me now. No, no, but I I would to just kind of explain it real quick. That would replace an engine
pumper. However, there are some some things we could do if we end up building a new station instead of replacing with a pumper if we replaced it with a small ladder truck that is close to the same cost. Now, we would should be able to move to an ISO of one, which would be a
a savings to taxpayers on insurance cost um or homeowners. Uh so because we could move that truck up like right now we can't fit anything in that. So if we had a newer station we could talk about if we have that spot if we enter into
agreement we can change they're not going to start building that truck. If we entered into an agreement today they won't even start manufacturing that truck probably till last quarter of 28. You're just on a waiting list essentially for a building spot. So let's say the station or something gets
built and we go, you know what, for that price we can get a ladder truck or pretty close with a tradein of our other engine. Maybe it's getting a small ladder truck so that on the north end because there's so many buildings over three stories. ISO really really gigs us on our ladder service. So you could run
a small ladder truck as like an engine and then you could get the ISO ladder too for close to the same cost. But if we lock in the slot, then that gives us some flexibility. The slot doesn't say exactly what the build is. No, it's how
much you're willing to Yeah. pay down on the table and put that extra for a contingent cost, but like 1.1 is what we think it would cost based on the the numbers that I got from our uh our rep. So be 1.1. That one that extra would be
any contingencies. Um, and again if we with a trade in we might be able to move it but essentially Coco just did this. They had bought a engine and they ended up needing a ladder truck and they changed it to a ladder truck but they already secured the building slot. Okay. So your life pack caric monitors is that
a new item or is that something we've had? That's a carryover when I say that. Uh they they did that last year. Um we were able to trade in our Z monitors. Um we actually sold the Z monitors. they're having a lot of issues and we went to the newest uh life pack monitors. Those
are our heart monitors that we use and they were a total cost. I think this is the last payment, correct? Because we had a payment this year and we had a payment last year plus the trade in. So Oh, this is this is a carryover from previous. It's the final payment. Yeah.
Of the already existing 250 last year. Okay. Last year CIP had this is 250. It's now come down to 150. Yep. So on the slide for slidesmanship I would say life pack cardiac monitor parenthesis payoff. Yeah. So it doesn't look like
it's a new item. Yeah. It's not a new item. No people look at people actually looked some of those. Yeah. So we'll get that changed emails. And I think on form on that thread I think a similar some kind of footnote on the engine because it's an outy years. It doesn't have the
flexibility of a typical project that's four years. It sounds like we're looking in. It's just that's when the cash happens. So I don't know financially if you want to annotate that that Yeah, I can show you guys. I brought a a Does that make sense, Hannah? Like it's not a typical FY29 project that has flexibility to move. Actually, it's not
a carryover. This is the remaining amount that's due. So this is a separately budgeted item. The Sorry, I shifted years on the engine. This is kind of how the agreement works. An agreement on the front end and it
would be paid at completion. So it 29 take into perspective if we're going through a smoothing exercise through some of these capital forward and back to get a better spend plan that 29 doesn't have the same flexibility as any other expenditure because it's locked in pain now it's just so if the amount
isn't expended towards the purchase of the truck it'll just remain there and it'll move forward not that item specifically but the funding would become available for futures right but we're approve we would be approving that this year cannot be shifted to I would not we would have a commission you guys
wanted to enter in. I would just annotate it somehow so the residents know, hey, this is locked in stuff. We don't have latitude to Yes. If we're signing an agreement and locking in with the the company if it's um to build that, we we would be committing to paying for the item upon in fiscal year
29, but as Justin explained, it takes about three years to complete the build. Right. Right. Okay. So, this is high and fair capital imprint plan, correct? So, we hope for it and then it's out there. We put this contract in place. So, if it
comes up next year or the year after, and you have a different commission and they say, "We don't want to do that." You say, "Wait, you're the previous commission already committed that many." Yes. It's a done deal. Exactly. Okay. We put it on um Can you put asterisks by the done deal stuff? Yeah. You got to
indicate done deal next to the asterk. Put it in quotes. Done deal. Well, we bring this to commission and put it on agenda for guys to vote on, enter into an agreement prehand beforehand, I should say. Okay. All right. Good. But if we put in the budget, then
you can just say it's a budget. It always goes better when it's Yeah, that's true. That's true. Be way in advance. But hey, so you guys have any other questions, generators, anything like that? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay.
Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. I have the next four slides, so take it easy on me. Any questions on this slide?
Yeah. Just just FYI, check the records. Hannah and AJ was here in 2007. We budgeted to pay all the streets. Not
the not A1A, not 520. Those are state roads. And it was 3.1 million. Look at this, people. I don't even know if we're going to get them all done in
2026, 2027, 2028, 2029, 2030. That that won't even come close. Those numbers, we'll be lucky to get two or three streets. What had happened? Are they asphalt pits in Iran or you
know what what is the problem here? Brad described some of prioritization from that report I talked about just hit the highlights of how the that's what is going to be consumed with the 1.3 mill. Right. We have a prioritized list of the streets first. Yeah. So back just burn
down that list. Back in 2023, we had one of our engineering firms go throughout the city and provide a a pavement condition assessment. They visited every street in the city, gave each street a PCI index, and basically listed it out in their full report. That's going to be
our guideline. So, what you're seeing in my 5-year capital is just a lump sum number. I didn't specify any specific streets. I'm going to be going by this guideline, and it will change from year to year. There's a lot of streets that are within the same range of maybe 50 to
55 or 60 to 65 and we will have to pick and choose from year to year which streets that we want to get done back in the day. Mhm. Did every 20 years I think we did whole city
and there's an economy of scale by doing it that way. So, you know, I don't think we Oh, well, I won't. So, this is Senate back in 2023 listed the entire city at $15 million.
So, at this rate, is it this annual rate, how long it take to accomplish the streets? Less than 20 years, I'm assuming. I'm assuming 15 to 20 years. And then and we might have to start over after 20 years. So, so do you just So, what you're
saying is everybody's lives here sees the streets and they're going to need repair because there's going to be something done in 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029.
And I don't know. Well, that's where I noticed. It's like, you know, I don't blow the budget, but you know, I'd like to go with the economy of scale and get the best deal possible and just knock out the whole city. That's exactly what
I want. Plan it again in 20 years to do the entire city again just like we used to do. Well, well, that's what we did. We put money aside each year until we had sufficient funds to do the whole city all at one time. One of the other
things is the cost of uh asphalt is tied to the cost of oil. So there's better times to do it and worse times to do with the cost the cost of oil. Well, if I if I back to 2007 and I can go if you
want me to. Price of gas is $2.7 a gallon. Check me. Somebody check. So So we're a dollar. How do we go from 3.9 million to 15 million? I know labor went up, equipment
costs for the pavers and everything else went up. Look at what fire trucks cost then factored over to the heavy equipment. I I I would just say between you, AJ, whoever in the city can
help you look at a economy of scale thing and say if it's going to take 15 years to the entire city and X amount of that extra is going to be repairing potholes and maybe doing some resealing and all
that. Just save some of the streets, you know, aren't going to ruin your sewer system and everything because Now they're all cracking and leaking into the sewer system. And and that's the other factor too. We'll look at some of our utility projects in storm water and wateration to see if we can buy some of these streets in the public works
because we could be able to budget that in those projects as well. Is is because streets are tied to potential crash and leaks in the system. Are they eligible for slur state involving funds? No,
not that I'm aware of, but I will we'll look into it. Okay, Brad, what you were saying was that there may be projects that we could do that would require a street repair associated with it and it wouldn't be redoing the street because you're going to have to tear it up
anyway. Correct. And so it wouldn't be a street repair, but it would pay for a street repair. Yeah. But that's just bits and pieces. Well, we are going through our sto vulnerability assessment right now. We are going to be looking at different areas of the city where we might have to rip up the entire road to
install bigger pipes and stuff like that. Well, the one you have on North Lake, that's that's you know awes. Okay. And this also takes into account all the curbing though, so you got to factor in concrete cost as well. Yeah.
Okay. just just I think the point is to optimize put a a little more plan details to the number. It seems like these are sort of placeholder numbers, but I like where you're going is we potentially could finance some of it with local financing if it's a collateral damage to another
project. So, I'd be open to to shifting some money around and accelerating to take advantage of the economies of scale. Yeah. If there was any projects that we had grant funding associated with it where you inevitably destroy the process. Yeah. So on the on the Minute
Man shoreline erosion, if there grants available for that potentially are there. Okay. And we just applied for those prints. So now that those have been submitted, we can apply for the grants. Okay. So it's projected. This was
carried forward from last year. Is this the opposite side of man? Didn't we do didn't one? Right now we're in engineering and design for the three areas on the south side of Minute Man and that those are construction costs in 26. The costs you see in 27 are for five
other areas on the north side of Minute Man and that includes um design construction. So LED sign replacement is that the one at Fiser Park? Um, no. I actually talked to
finance today and we're actually move that to an out here. Uh, we were considering doing LED sign replacements at the entrances of the city. So, up by our saviors and then over by uh 16th Street South, but I'd like to move that
out to an outlier year because I did notice we we forgot to include a project this year, the softball field renovations at uh the high school. So, we got to do the dugouts and the fencing for the last softball field out there.
Okay. Paige, public work. Quick question. Thank you, Josh. It may play in, but um where there's some discussion of the potential for language change in legislation that would allow for TDC to more directly
support burden that we face with with tourist traffic, right? Um, is there the potential that we could see, again, I think there would be language change that would be required that the TC could start making invests in public works and
infrastructure. We we'll look into that. I don't have an answer for that. So, I can answer to that. Um, at time the legislature, they have provided information to us um as to changes of how the TDC revenues are distributed. Um, I've been following
along with that all of the legislative changes and I'll get with commission if there are any announcements that come to us of how the distributions to be done. But at this time, we haven't received any feedback what changes are coming. I'm hoping for it, but yeah, that would
be very it would be very valuable if we were getting distribution infrastructure based on it would be a big impact for the city and for how we operate as a whole. But at this time, no announcements with that. Not yet. Thank you. Closing argument on this slide. If you
want to approve 5 million for I'm all for it. So just uh I'll get it done. I just think I mean you have a great point. If there's a if there's a price break somewhere logically rather than just you know somewhat arbitrarily spreading let's put some smart suit and take advantage of I know you will but
take advantage of of what makes sense projectwise. Okay. Any questions on this slide? Hang on. Excuse me. On the ramp road storm water improvements.
That's our portion 500. There are grants for that. Um Morgan can speak more to that. Um, but this is the the 500,000 we show in the public works budget is is over the construction costs that we have available in storm
water. So, this will cover the asphalt expenses and stuff that more involves the public works portion of it, but we do have grants for that. Not enough to cover the entire cost at at this time. I just wanted to just say that what the
grants are covering Yeah. So, the grants are in the storm water uh fund. Um we have 746,000 for grants already and then that 500 is what is not covered for grants. Okay. I
just want people to know that we're just it's not just all our money. Well, it's Army pay for the people that pay for the grants, but at least we're getting some of it. That project is actually out right now.
construction start this fiscal year hopefully this full replacement of RTU PD that was the one that's we talked last week is on the agenda for the day. Yes, it's coming back to you in two nights. Grounds maintenance.
Okay. Country Club renovations. Is that the the road coming off a minute man turning left right by public works or is that like physically the building? This is this is at the country club. So this includes plants, lighting, irrigation,
uh any new signage that we need out there. Um we want to really make that place look nice out there. How much are the koiish? Most of that cost It's half of it. Just kidding. Imported,
it says. I think we're getting rid of ko. Okay, we got one more page. Okay, if you have any questions on this slide, um Scott's going to be on his way to
answer some of the projects, but I can help if you have them right now. Wait, we just switched the slide then. One. All right, we covered this one. Just a
point of clarification. On the bottom of the slide, there's a the volleyball court has no cost across the years, but has cost as a fiveyear. I did notice that that 25,000 is actually included with the the line item just
above it for the Fisher Park basketball court. So between the two projects I chose 150, but it's going to be 125 come the final budget. Okay. Thank you. public works would be nice for the
ball field scoring building. Is that on the school property? Yes, that's in the center of all four fields out there. They have requested to replace it and I agree with them. It's dilapitated. The electrical work inside of that is is gone. Um that is a ballpark figure. We
will spend next year, no pun intended, reaching out. Yes. No, I'm thinking we will spend next year reaching out to contractors to shore up that number for F-27, but we're responsible for the school property. We are under contract with them to maintain the sports
complex, the four the four ball fields and and the score table. So, um well, Scott's getting his getting his bearings. you want to tell us about that uh fire station 50 design
and construction and kind of where we're at with FS and permits you know not just the city permits but you know do we need any special permits from D or St.
right now. Actually, uh I believe Becky is probably the best one to answer this question where we're at with the um Moy Park property. Yes, the Mobly Park property has a reverter cause in it. If it stops being used as park, it goes
back to the initial developer. Um I have done exhaustive work on tracking those people down because of course the corporations dissolved. It was a long time ago and there are two families
that are the basically the heirs to these things and I'm working with them. I am hoping to get releases from them. I've sent them the draft releases um and they've kind of stopped talking to me.
So I'm I'm plugging away at it. So when they stop talking to you does that mean I don't know what it means. I mean, possibly they're on vacation this summer or something. I don't know. I mean, they haven't said no. They've said maybe.
It's two completely separate families versus Yeah. versus giving it back to them and having them sell it for $5 million to somebody to build something there. We would just leave it as a perk.
Oh, absolutely. No question. And and they they say that they understand that. I might come back to you at some point and get permitted to talk money with them, but I I don't think it's necessary yet. Okay. So So what I'm asking the
question, Justin, is why would we were just planning to spend $150,000 in FY26, which does start in the city budget till July or is it September? October. October. October. October for
the city. So, we're just planning based on the outcome of Becky's work that we would go ahead and work on that design. Yeah. Yeah. So, based Have we done anything up front as far as any kind of
special permitting we might need for that property to build the fire? No. Because if we can't get them to sign off on letting us use the property with that reverter clause, that will all be for for nothing. We didn't want to spend the time, staff, effort, and money in
looking into feasibility, permitting, and everything that that involves unless we knew for sure we were going to get that property. Um, another reason we just rebudgeted is um I I know some of you remember, but there was discrepancy between what was in the budget book and
what was actually budgeted. So, back when we were having those conversations, we had extra funding that we thought we thought we were going to be able to find that 150 to move forward with design, but we wound up into more problems with our budgets as this school year went on.
And that 150 that we were going to try to find is no longer there. So, there's nothing for us to actually carry forward because it was never an actual budgeted line item in the budget. was us believing we were going to be able to find that 150 with um leftover funds
from projects and we just aren't able to do that. So, we just rebudgeted the 150. No, don't say that out loud. Okay. So, let's move on. So, spoiler removal 2 million, does that have to do with the muck pro
muck capping project? No, that doesn't have anything to do with the muck capping. Um getting the stuff off the island that we dumped everything onto. Yeah, that island is full. We can no longer put anything more on that island. Um so in order to get the the first step
to get the dredge dredging program back up and going um all these canals and channels dredged over again would be hopefully to clear that island off so that way um we have a good spot. So, so for for the commissioners and the public
and staff for the north side canals between Minute Man and 520, that particular site is the only
usable spoil site. It's full. If we don't take that off of that property, then 5, 10, 15 years from now, whenever it's going to be that those canals need ded again, there'll be no place to put
that. So, you have to truck it out. You ship it out. You have to truck it out. This would go off onto a barge, brought over to the city site, and then put in dump trucks and taken out to Holy or Yehaw Junction or one of those places
where they have a lot of marsh. And there are grant funding opportunities that that we are looking into. Sorrel and find has grant funding opportunities as well to to make this happen. Okay. Um, and this tennis court res renovations,
does that have anything to do with the the uh agenda item that's on our agenda for Thursday? Uh, yes it does. the proposal that the USA has presented to us. Uh we'd like to go
back and u uh begin negotiations on uh an arrangement that makes a little bit more sense from the city side. Yeah. I just, you know, you got nothing. You got hit
$161,000 next year and you got nothing in for the foreseeable future. And I'm sure that there's going to be things that need done between now and 2031.
So, I'm like, if you look at the the usage rate and the value to the city and 800, we spent we've spent millions on that tennis courts already. Why are they
so expensive? I I don't know. I don't know why. I mean, we re did relighting. We repaint them. We reanded the clay quartz. I mean, well, the
the lighting that we redid, so all we really we redid was we put new lighting on top of the poles. So, we did do that. Um, I can't remember that exact cost, but that that wasn't a major cost to us. what we really need to do. The
biggest issue is the wiring that goes to those poles and the poles themselves. Um the poles themselves and the wiring needs to be they need to completely updated. Um the poles themselves are
within 10 ft of USA playing lines which is um their safety standards say that um there should be no obstructions within 10 feet of their playing lines. So, a part of the cost of rebuilding them is
including new poles on the exterior of the courts that interfere with safety standards. Um, upgraded wiring and upgraded contactor box and um we haven't repaved we haven't we haven't rebuilt the courts. the courts have been
resurfaced, which back when I think last time we did that it was 25 grand res. Um what we're looking at for this is rebuilding. Um what we're having problems with is with all of the hurricanes we've had and all the the
drainage issues we've had on those courts, it's severely undermined the asphalt courts underneath. we found when I rebuilt the six back quartz is it's just crushed coina, so there's no firm substrate and it's just you're you're
getting soft spots in it. Um, so what we did with the last ones is we put 4 in of crushed concrete to help compact it and make it tougher. Um, so that's that's kind of everything that you're looking at with those courts for
this project. The agreement with USA um initially as it stands is for them to front 1 million 150,000 150,000 of to to rebuild those courts and put new lighting in. Um and then they have a
couple things that they're asking of the city but I think that's on top of that would no that would cross out this line item that would cross out this line item if commission approved to move forward with that agreement. Okay, that sounds better. Yeah, because
you know if the pole is 9 foot 6 in from the playing line and USA wants to say we can't play here. It's just too close. It's a safety hazard. Like too bad. I'm sure they're below play here. Yeah. Yeah.
Scott, in terms like who came up with 10 feet versus 9.6 metric versus English? I don't play tennis. In terms of the uh the spoil removal, is the spoil itself once dredged considered
like an environmental hazard or remediation? It's all dried out now. Can it be used as fill in a construction project? Yes. Um and actually that's one of the things Central Sand does with with it. So like when um typically when we have it's the same thing with when we
have contractors demo asphalt concrete they take it back yard and they crush it up or or do whatever they want with it for the a project that they have that it could be useful for. Central Sand does the same thing with all of the dried out. So there's a number of upcoming
projects that at the Cape for pad construction, a number of things. Have we reached out to uh SLD45 civil engineering and just inquired if we could just have a deal with them? They come get it and take it instead of them
buying fill for Milcom projects. They can I comment? Yeah. Um, they have to have infrastructure to bring the barges to load the barges. You know, you got to drop first you got to bring your barges with the front end
loaders and leave them on the island. Then you got to put the stuff on the barge. Then you got to take your barge all the way back to the space center, offload it, and then send the barge all the way back and get another load and
back and forth, back and forth. So they they would end up needing a contractor to actually do that work. Yeah. For any of their milk on they have contractors. I mean it 45th doesn't do their own construction projects. And so all I'm thinking is if they're going to have to
go buy dirt anyway and we have dirt that we're going to pay someone to take. Oh yeah. And it they could include in their contract potentially have the capabilities. I think that's a good idea. Yeah. I never thought of that. Yeah. We ask them. There's there gums. I mean there's a billion dollar
infrastructure investments Space Force is doing right now. So they have a in huge Disneyland map of what they're doing in the projects. If you need any contacts with the civil engineering squadron, happy to make the mission. Definitely. Yes, that'd be Is it just
from a dredging perspective? Is it cheaper to dredge and leave it on property that's available or to just pay somebody to ship it out? effectively we're we're saying move forion provision for future dredging right yeah so if we future dredging we just had them haul it
off I mean what is that delta well between those two projects yeah so that's the reason there's no other places to dump it in that area is the amount of time and money it would cost in fuel to take it to the mainland for them to put it into trucks it doesn't
make as much sense if we want to just get all these cows and channels dredged and then dump it Um, I don't know what the I don't know what the delta is. Um, I don't I haven't been involved in past dredge projects, so I don't know. Um, I mean, I'm thinking along the same lines
as you, Josh, just $2 million literally to move dirt. And if somebody's going to buy, well, we're offering it to them coming in. I'm not saying it would from a business case perspective, but it's at least to have the conversation. I agree.
Go ahead and look into it. But this dirt's been out there for 3 years now. It's been a while. We haven't done much dredging in a long time, right? So all of that muck stuff that was in the dirt stuff has basically biodegraded,
you know, soluble mushy stuff is, you know, now become hard basically. So it's probably could be good fill. Yeah, but we if you're going to do some kind of deal like you're talking about, first thing you're going to know is how many
cubic feet of fill do you have and what's the quality of that fill. So, which we did have a survey done. I don't have those numbers off the top of my head. Um I think I put it um in the comments of the agenda connect you with them. That'd be great. Can have the
honestly I do think residents would take it if they're as they're building seaw walls. We know one particular guy on our street. We literally got 14 dump trucks of free filter to lift a seaw wall to Yeah. The only thing we would The only problem with having just like citizens
is we would want it all gone. Like we don't want people coming out and peacemealing it here and there. Yeah. We we we want it. Can we have by consensus of the commission so we can't make any decisions? Scott, can you give uh Josh the cubic
footage and the quality? It's 68,760 cubic yards of fill. And and what's the They're going to wonder the quality of the I'll pull up the survey and email that to Yeah. to Commissioner Jackson with the commission consensus. Can we
let Josh work with Scott and see if we can find out one of our government contractors that'll come take it free and save us a million dollars? Be cool. Okay, that's your goal. Have that Josh. Do you need to have that done
by this meeting, please? All right, we got the skate park again. I have park up again. What's going with the skatepark? Is that a continuation of what we did last year for 200k or is this a repair of that or what was I know there was like a trial pilot section we
were doing and then scaling it or? Yeah, so we did the the trial pilot section. Um, it had mixed views like it did going into it. Some people um the majority of people did not like that we were just doing a concrete edge. Some people didn't mind it. Um
this would be I got quotes to do both to do the rest of the halfpipe or the rest of the coping in a concrete edge and to redo just all the concrete coping. And the price difference was very little. It was a little bit more to do the coping
and because the majority of people that when we initially spoke about redoing everything in a concrete edge I got emails from people all across the state of Florida telling me I didn't it was a total idea. So figure save ourselves the heartache if the price difference isn't that much. It's only like five grand.
Let's just do everything in metal coping. So are we going to have the same issue? Isn't it all because of quality issues or not? So whatever rusting and wrong metal is that so it's it's stainless steel. It's stainless is still going to rust, but we now have the skate
park on a maintenance plan. Um the same people who installed who redid the portion initially, they'll be out there every six months to m do maintenance. Um they
put some type of a material on the the metal coping. They fix any cracks. They um any of the They pretty much just go out there and do a once over the park every six months. Make sure everything's good. That's over and above 170. This is another capital piece in addition to
that maintenance. Yes. Got it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um you've got uh uh softball field stadium lights and uh4 million dollars.
Um, we have light there now, right? We do have lights out there now. The lights are the last ones that are they're they're old. From what I understand, they're falling apart. And actually, Daryl could probably speak a little bit more to that one. Yeah, anybody know me, Daryl Bradley, the
public manager. And, uh, I have been dealing quite a bit with the, uh, stadium lighting there and, uh, looking it over and it's, uh, pretty much nonoperational what's out there anymore. And that's just the softball fields, not the baseball fields. No, just the
softball field for it's the last uh ball field that out there that hasn't been upgraded by lighting, you know. The rest of them all were upgraded by uh Muscow lighting. How much was that per ball field? Well, the last one we had done
was a 216 and that was field three, which is pretty much mirrors field four. And at that time it was $180,000. But I think it's important to note too provide a 25y year warranty which is pretty un
um and the light pole installations on minimum man are because of we made it and we need lit people can't see the darn people and their electric bikes coming at them in the middle of the night. No the miniman light pole insulation that's all the decorative
poles out here. Um and he been pushing it off and pushing it off. was supposed to get done this year. What was wrong with what was wrong with them? We just put them in there like 12 years ago. They're all apart. Oh, yeah. They're they're So, so no, those poles were all
custom made. We can no longer get the appropriate parts. So, the biggest thing that goes wrong with those is the the LED drivers and the lighting panels go bad. Okay. The lighting panels we can get, but the LED drivers. I got a bunch of LED drivers in my office. This was
the one I was asked about last commission bundle with the ramp road project. This is an or outsourcing debt basically, right? We're just manage it. Got it. Okay. Um and then the mut capping project you've got CB there that that basically that's the money coming
back from the grants or is that the expendure? No, that's the expenditure. So we have everything except for a little over 13 million grant funded and we are currently reaching out to Sorrel for the additional
in government accounting Hannah why are we showing that like we're spending $53 million because it would be offset by the grant of 40. Yes. So we have to budget for the expense because when we budget for the expense 53 million we front the cost and
then we're reimbursed by the grant. So we budget for this on both the expense side and the revenue side. So the revenue side will reflect the 41 million that's received between D and Swirl Saver Indian River Lagoon. And then on the expense side, it shows the full 53 million because we will have to expense
that out before we're reimbursed with the revenue portion of the of the project. Why couldn't we put like a line item right under that that says grant funding and shows in 2028 negative
12 million in 2029 when it's finished negative parenthesis like you you uh you know financial do for negative numbers. Yeah. It it's one of the unique things with governmental accounting with keeping the separate expense codes and the revenue codes and having different
sections and all that but yeah. Okay on the softball fields just looks looks crazy. I mean it's definitely Warren's question but it's offset by 40 we we're looking at $12 million obligation for the city on the softball
fields. Do we and I just don't know the the capacity usage. Do we lose all four of those or is there a thing of we could consolidate our money and really make two of them really nice and abandon two of them? I don't know. Do your kids play out there or they do we need four well? She's coming up in a hurry. She's going
to and it's an it's an honest question if we fight for those softball players. I will say our um our little league program has had the most capacity within probably 10 years. But we also have a lot of rentals from college teams up north over spring break and I can only
rent it to them one field at a time. Gotcha. I mean where I was going is it just makes sense to consolidate our money, do the same amount of investment, just make two really nice fields instead of four marginal fields. Yes. But I also keep in mind that I do share the softball field with Cocoa Beach High School and they do take priority. So if anyone else wants to rent it, I can't
rent field four. All right. So you're we need a capacity of four dedicated fields. Yes. Thank you. And Scott, um, just just to make sure that we're clear, you said that you are also for the balance of the
the muck capping, we are also reaching out to Sorl to see if there are additional funds available. Yeah. So, Sorrel has a a master plan. Um, and they really need this project to happen. They've reached out they've told us that they would consider funding the
additional cost, but they want us to at least reach out to other sources as well. So, um, we've we've been trying to reach out to sources, um, but I think it's going to wind up having to go back to oral. So, I I have a strong feeling they're going to provide the additional
grant funding. So, just Commissioner Huterson. So it sounds like we may actually see the total in the advantage to putting that over two years and then or is it for having the first year and then as it Well that's the thing talking to um Geocint and um
applied ecology I was trying to see if there was a way we could do so of the project and then when we hit um whatever we were at with grant funding we kind of stop it and wait and they said that there's no way for them to do that with this project.
It would cost so much to demobilize and remobilize. And since this is kind of sort of a new process, um they don't know how quickly they don't know how quickly they're to to move and how much they're going to
get done. So, it was hard to only budget for a certain amount of the product. Does that make sense? So, I put the full cost. And it can roll forward if Yeah. And it can roll forward if And if we can get it all covered, then Mhm. Let's go. I'm ready for the next slide. Thank you,
Scott. Uh oh. I'd like to be fully transparent on the uh softball field stadium lights. We have Musco lighting out there I want to say two or three weeks ago and they gave us an updated price of $741,000.
That is not shown on this. However, there are ways where we be able to modify the existing light structures out there to stay in that 250,000 ballpark. But if we want it done right, it's going to cost a lot more. Where did we get 256
from? Yeah. So, we use that number based on the previous lighting that we did on stadium 3 and escalated it by and it escalated uh a lot. Um, this includes all new poles. All right. We need to go look at more contractors
and I we will Yeah. But I just want for full transparency to mention you're you're saying that more accurate estimate is three times that. Correct. So on the mud capping we're signing up to 12 million. I mean that is a risk.
We're okay with that. Oh we're we're already pregnant with that. I understand that they're looking for other granties but the fallback is 12 million point. That's what we would No, that's what we're on the hook for. All right. Well, it's already on
contract. But you think Commissioner should get out of the contract and then you poo poo sorrel and you're never getting a penny from after that. Okay, next slide. You need cars. Oh, it says folks.
and trucks. Yes, sir. Any questions? No, I'm good. You did due diligence on coming up with your prices for the vehicles. I said you did due diligence in coming
up with the prices estimates for the vehicle. Yes. All of these are on the Florida sheriff's contract or source. Well, okay. They've already been government. It's fixed pricing. I don't know what we can do. This is a case where it makes sense to do the peace meal every year instead of bundling all
of them like the guns. Yes. Is that Yes, we have 52 PD first. So to keep them on a 8 to 10 year schedule, we need to replace them like five every year. These are on your replacement. They're on the eightear side of that. Eight to 10 on
them. On the police, they have $60,000 for for a motorcycle. And this one has 27,000. Are we dip in there? No, the motorcycle is they outfit for the equip and I
budget for the actual motorcycle for 2028. What slide are you talking about? Electric glide. Okay. Big bucks forever. All right. No other questions.
more vehicles. Got to have more. So, what are the the three 300 KW portable generators? What where do they We can actually take that off. We found recently that that grant program we had
applied for, they will not allow them. So, we can take the 800,000. They gonna be backups for city hall PD and fire station. Karen, can I use my Sharpie on this? No. I'd really love to knock off that 800.
As soon as she scrolls, it goes away. Okay. Be on the next line. I don't know which one to cut. Okay. Is that too much to justate in here which ones are targeted for grant replacement? I think that helps paint the picture of, hey, there's a lot of items in here. 800,000
is basically free if it was grant. It would I'll include the grant funding side in the workshop. Yeah, it's a footnote or something. Yeah, together. What's that? Oh, I don't know if the government accounting will let you do that. Yeah, just any simple annotation
that would let us know consistent. I mean, it says it great job. Nobody's from this knowing the residents. They're looking at this want to make them know that, hey, we've got X amount of money that's going to offset these costs. Okay. And this Justin sir replace the
generator at fire station 5163,000. Yes. That thing's 7 years old. Yes. So I'm going to go. Is that a lack of maintenance? Put this back on Jonathan only because he's the generator expert. that do have to follow uh by the Florida
building code. We have to have a generator decision and then on top of it, it has to meet the requirements of the station to run for 12 hours including fuel and demands. Um now the he could talk more about the the actual length of life on the generators. I I
only know what we have to have. Well, I'm just saying that you know generator 100. Yeah, this is due to the location of we've already replaced a fuel tank under it. We replaced the fuel tank two years ago with aluminum fuel tank
because it actually rusted out and now with the hours that are on the generator, we exercise it weekly and just the year of it. It's seven years old and they're recommending like eight to 10 replace weekly for an hour, right? Yes, we do. So, you run it for weekly
for an hour? Yes. So, it's 52 hours a year. Yes, sir. For seven years. That's 350 hours. I got a generator on my boat that was put in in 1987, a diesel generator that's got 3300
uh hours on it. Mhm. And and it's still running fine with proper maintenance in a buildge in a basically water environment. Mhm. I don't I don't get it that we can't keep a generator. I know we're on the beach and all that, but are
we going to buy a better generator this go around? No. What we haveed isly similar to that, but where it's at the life expectancy is not going to last for the actual housing of it. Also, does it need rinsed every couple of weeks or
something to connect some of the salt? I don't really think that that is going to save it in the environment and this is also part of that grant program that we can qualify to get 75% of it paid for. Let me ask a question on that. Does is
there any opportunity to combine uses has to be dedicated to station? Like we could have a portable generator that could be used to the priority item. No. part of this grant that we have applied for. It's got to be for that state. No. And and what Justin's saying is his his requirement is it's got to be dedicated
site ready because of the radio. Anything that has an emergency radio, it can't it has to have a transfer switch. It can't power, you know, because I'm pulling on that thread. I hate to have portable generators that they're idle that have the same problem that they wear out, rust out. Jonathan,
would would you talk a little bit about our preventive maintenance program and how you manage that every six months? Yeah. On all of our vehicles on our maintenance side of them. We have our new software. We've had it for about three years now. We have a maintenance
program, a full maintenance program. All of the vehicles are maintained. PD, they do write up, bring them in for their oil changes. Everything is kept up. If they're not kept up, we notify their supervisor that the car was over on the oil change and uh all of them we we keep
track of everything to keep it maintained. Jenner on that schedule, too. Got it. Okay. Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, it's it seems like it's like a boat or a plane. If you don't use it, it it just wears out. So, you've got to keep it running, keep it maintained. And I think that's smart investment. That to
me is the areas that we could be focusing on the maintenance or warranty. That makes sense. A high priority item like this and One of the reasons too is because we can get this one under the grant program. It makes sense to go ahead and replace it now while we can
get 5% of it paid for. So, okay, let's try to move along. She's looking feisty. I think we're good with them. What do you guys think? I was just wanted to learn a little bit more about the golf simulator and return on
investment. Does that pay for itself or do we believe it? This item is actually from the idea of the leisure services board. We're going to bring it to we had our meeting end of March. So, we put it in the budget to discuss first. Um it's not guaranteed revenue and recently the
19th hole and auditorium have been rent for several different events. everything from celebration life, weddings, it's heavily rented, so that will cut into that. Um, but it is more for off peak season in the summer if it's if we're
close for rain to still generate revenue the restaurant by having a simulator. This is proposed in the 19th hole. So, the bottom dining area of the restaurant. Do have we got any information from other places that have a similar setup and generally what kind
of use they've seen? Yes, but similar similar setup is kind of hard because we're pretty unique. Um I do think this would add a modern touch to the 19th hole, but it it will hurt us eventwise. Um each bay is a little over uh 20,000.
So the these are four bays. They're 9 by 12. So, we would need a dedicated area for this. Did they um do they use real golf clubs? They do. Yes. Do they tether them so that they don't end up flying through windows and
ceilings? So, that is something else. I would ask staff to monitor making sure everyone's safe and everything as well. Yes, that's a whole another aspect of I'd like to I'd much rather see a presentation from the Leisure Services Board.
with the visual on how those things work and a better placement for them than in the dining area at the 19th hole. So, I'd scratch that one for now. They can't crush. They're not actually hitting balls.
Yeah, they are. They're both right. They are. Yeah. Um they're not. It's like a It's a little bit lighter, but if you are enjoying dinner or just want to have a few drinks at the restaurant, you will hear that sound continuing. Yes, I'd be
open to hearing from the leisure services board, but yeah, it's a hefty investment. Agreed. We want to understand it better. Okay, next slide. All right. When is the financing
off on the golf course fleet? That's the end of fiscal year 26. That was the one that was one payment. This would renew that. We wouldn't we don't know if we'd finance or not, but this would replace that or supplement that in 2027, right? So we we're going to pay it off in 26. This starts in 27 get a whole brand new
fleet. Yes, we would get newcomer. Okay. So, who could tell us about this rusty metal conduit at the garage? Elevator conduits, bathrooms. So when they built the parking garage, all of the electrical conduit they didn't
galvanized and that does not last long in this corrosive environment. So it is falling apart. Did we put the same thing on this building? Is it connected exterior to the structure or is it internal to the
structure? No, it's connected exterior of the structure underneath. Oh, well that's good. At least we're not going to have spalling from the rust inside the concrete. Yeah. So what we want to do is we want to replace all of that galvanized with PVC continuant. Do we
have the same risk in this building? We do have the same risk in this building. But this building is interior, not exterior. The there are there is some conduit underneath the parking that has
the galvanized. Can somebody look into coating that? Yep. So we don't end up having the same problem. Yes, absolutely. That was a that was a design miss. And uh that where do you come up? I you
know when I see big round numbers Mhm. 300,000. Yeah. So this I think that it was in a very uh detailed government the Roma standard Roma. No. So yeah. So this this number is
still being mined. This was a number that we threw in there. um so that could be presented to the budget workshop. But we are having this number refined and this will be an expensive project because it's going to entail removing all the wiring, disconnecting lighting.
It's it's going to be extensive. So there's going to be a big cost to it. I'll do it for half that sold. Myself. Yeah, let's Sounds like a plan. It's just not that big. Just let Don't
let him go in there. It might be cheaper just to rerun new stuff, you know. Don't just leave it and let everyone stop and buy new stuff. We run all new lines. Okay. Please bring a refined estimate on that. Yes, sir. Yep. Next page. Oh, I don't think I want to deal with
Brad. Brad's got the tight AOE's. I know he always have everything right, but then he's got this round number five million for two years in a row on inflow and infiltration abatement. That's full
grant funded. Okay, we need to say we need some asterisks. And it says at the bottom of the slide, grant funded. I think I just said that. I know we I I said that a while ago.
Okay. So So Okay. So, of all this, knowing you, uh, which are the four items that aren't grandfunded, uh, the roof replacement are grant funded. Um, but a lot of this stuff is
eligible. All the engineering and design is not eligible for SRF, but a lot of the projects are eligible for SRF funding. Okay. Which isn't a grant, it's a loan, but it's very low interest rate. Okay.
Where are you? Uh that might be on the second page and third page. Next page. And that upgrade on the treatment plan. We already knew that that's partially grant funded, right? Yes. And you guys recently approved our clarifier
engineering and design project. So that money will go towards that construction. There's the roof replacement. Two of them. That's That's the AC. That's physically the metals roof. That's physically the metal roof at the
complex. And that number you see listed at the top is divided between water rack and public works. The total cost to replace the roof at our complex is $630,000. That was was estimated. Obviously, if this goes through, I will reach out to
other companies to look at the roof as well. Wait, say that again. So, the 315 is half of it on the the other half's on the previous page or it was on the public works capital budget. You're just splitting between the two. Yeah, since we share that building, I I felt it necessary to share the cost in that. So
when you say reclaimed distribution system rehabilitation, so that sounds like it's only for currently existing distribution. Correct. It's not new services. Okay. So
what is a systemic problem with the current system? So if you remember a few years back, we went under a consent order with FD because we had a lot of breaks in our uh reuse distribution system. We had to go through a whole plan with DP to come up with a um a way
to rehabilitate our re distribution system to avoid reclaim breaks in our system because they consider reclaim like sewer. So every time there's a break and it enters the water, they consider that a sewer overflow and it and it's a ding against our permit. So
we did a um analysis on the entire reclaim distribution system. We were able to survey the entire system, get it into our GIS. Um, we are in phase two of that project and they have identified they did soil testing too and we have
identified five areas of the city that we need to dig up and actually test the the metal on the pipe to see how damaged it is right now. And if we have to start replacing some of our pipe, that's what that money is there for. If we don't
have to, I'm not going to spend it. So, is this okay? So, you're you're at the end of a street. You got your big supply line feeding four streets. You got individual lines going down each street to individual properties. Are we talking
just the main lines or are we talking about the individual lines are running down the streets? Well, the lines running down the street are 4 in. I consider those main lines. Now, the They're plastic. Most of them are PVC, but but a lot of our bigger pipes, the
12 in and the that would be in the in the main feeds. Yes. Those a lot of those are still metal. Okay. So, there shouldn't be it shouldn't be as disruptive to the neighborhoods in fact of everybody's front yard is
going to get dug up and their driveway is going to get dug up like when they put it in originally. No, that shouldn't be an inconvenience. the the main thing is going to be tearing up the roads like we discussed earlier and time that so we're not correct
with it like I'll give you an example we have a a big main running down Bard Avenue all the way to where Bvard turns into A1A um if it turns out that I need to replace that pipe that'll be a road
project and a pipe project at the same time lift up the road project Highway. Correct. Ballpark. How big is that facility? The public works water wreck building for the 630K for the roof like square
footage wise, you know? I don't know. Okay. I think I'm good. 630,000. All right. 25,000. Morning. So, what are we going to pick on Morgan about?
We You got a mouse in your body. I've heard that before. Um, okay. So, I'm just curious. The Maritime Hammock Preserve floating Vegetation Islands. I've seen them over there. The park in
Merit Island. Yes. Yep. The birds seem to like them. Yep. And they they actually pull those in and actually kind of sculpture them and then push them back out there, right? Yep. And that would be too. We're adding some at Ramp Road with that project. Um for the ones
at Maritime Hammock, currently I have some grant funding for it. Um not completely grant funded. Applying for additional and I'm not going to be moving forward with that project unless I get full grant funding because of how we stand currently. And that's also with the golf course floating vegetation islands. I have some grant funding
applying for additional and it will not move forward unless I get So if you go over to that park over there behind the mall, there's big signs that say we grant funded this and blah blah blah and we go out and maintain and blah blah blah and all that stuff. So I like that
idea that they take care of it. Yep. The first year after installation, they maintain it um with that cost that you installed it with. And then years after that, you'll have a maintenance plan for it. And then when you say Ramp Road, you're talking about that uh big pond
that we just acquired from the from the school board, correct? Um, does anybody besides me and AJ and John Dylan
know that and this lady here that that was a dump? And in the bottom of that pond is nothing but uh glass bottles. Probably a lot of them antique. Really worth a bunch. But I
mean is, you know, that whole thing needs, if you're going to try to put anything in there to clarify that water, you're going to need to dig the stuff out of the bottom of it before you start. Currently, that's not in the plan. I was
not aware of that. Um, we're doing That's why I'm telling you that. Yeah. Yeah. Don't go out there and step try to step in there like it's your backyard pond when you were in going to camp in school. You know, are saying to revisit the scope that rather than 926k
potentially consider more scope to really clean it out or Well, she's talking she's just talking about putting a 926k for the rampro storm water improvements. It's that pond that's different. It's Yeah, it's part of that project. Um, but that project also
entails new storm water pipes, inlets, side banks. Well, yeah, but that's that's mostly under the parking lot and that kind of stuff. But it ends up going into that lake, right? But the lake, I don't know. I don't know who who can
assess the bottom of that lake, you know, the junk that's down there. I mean, it was a dump. It was the Cocoa Beach dump in the day. That's what it was. Right. Jus ramp road between the school board and
and ramp road. Honestly that okay. All right. Well, pull up the let's just go out in the lob down the hall in the lobby and look at the old apps and you can see it was a dump.
All right. All right. All right, we going to let Morgan off for easy. I mean, that would be one input there. Do we want to look at additional scope to really clean it? I understand this is improvements to get the water to that facility, but is there
how many million 60ome million to storm cap muck out there and it's just muck and we're going to leave all this junk in the bottom of this lake. I'd like to think it was a lake that we could actually have some storm water running
off from Ramp Road and other areas that would actually with these islands cleaning up the water, which is what they're for, and actually have some fish in it, you know, and, you know, have it be more of an ecosystem than a stagnant
green pond, which is what it is right now. Morgan, are there are there ways that are available to us where we could assess the bottom of the pond and the health of the the system in there? Yeah,
there probably is. Yeah. Okay. I got I got a pair of hip boots. You can just go out there and walk around in. So, you're doing the pond assessment, the conduit. Any other questions? No, I think I'm good. Yeah. Thank you.
Okay. Well, thank you vice mayor and commissioners for the discussion and feedback that's provided. Does anybody have any follow-up questions? Um, I appreciate your work. It was very well organized and presented. you had
all the right people here and I go by consensus that we'd ask you to move forward and think about some of the comments that we made and we'll do this again. Sounds great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Any public comments? Oh, we got public
comments. Public comments. You're not getting off You're not getting off these, man. I had that a gavvel in my hand. Just a couple of comments. uh one uh a long time we were always told that uh the mech the
mud capping was completely paid for. So I got you hope you find these 12 million somewhere because that's the first time I think many people hear about that that is not fully funded anymore. And secondly there was one line item that caught my eye. 250,000 for Holiday Lane.
Didn't you guys just approve like 85,000 or so for Holiday Lane boat ramp uh repairs? Should we really need another 250,000 for that? I I think it was for the the feasibility. No, no, no, no. It was You're exactly right. It's gone up, but it is part of that roll forward. So,
it's all Okay. 150 went to 250, but I don't know the basis of the 250. Scott, I don't know if you want to answer. I can I can speak to it. Yeah. My understanding is is we voted on the the sub the second 75K for a total 150
that didn't get accomplished in 25. So if you rolled into 26, that 150 is now increased to 250 for for something. So um we've been doing a lot of calling around research trying to figure
out the best way to take care of Holiday Lane Bow ramp. Um this started a while ago. I know that the previous city manager, he reached out to some contractors and I don't think he could find anybody interested. Um, I've
Oh, hey, Skip. No, you want to do that one, too? I was just putting my phone in my pocket. No. So, um, so I've I've I've taken up the mantel and I've been reaching out to contractors. Now, one of the things we looked at was a product called Flexamat that, um, Commissioner
Hutcherson sent me. Um, I've been going back and forth with the Florida area rep on that and a contractor called Pelican Coast Marine that they've used. Um the the rep and Pelican Coast Marine, they both say that that that product is not feasible for this boat ramp. Um the main
reason being is it's too flimsy. We can't there's no good way to adhere it to um what's there currently. So basically that would be just like a big mat with concrete modules that you roll out over top, but it's just not it's not feasible. They sent me a couple other
products. Um, I had one contractor reach out and they told me a ballpark quote of 250,000, which is where that number came from. They recently just sent me, I'm talking, I think yesterday, they sent me the hard proposal, and that hard proposal was for
less than that. So, we can tweak that number. I also met with Pelican Coast Marine, the contractor who works with Flexapro or Flexamat. They came out and looked at it with me last week and he just sent me his proposal. Um, they can
do it for under 150,000. They can cough for dam, dry it up, chip out what they need to repour. Um, so we may not need to spend a full 250. We we we could be able to do it, but regardless, it is
over that $15,000 threshold for things that need to go out to bid. So, we will still have to go through the bid process um which is going to go bring us into next fiscal year anyway. So, there's no way to get it done this fiscal year. But, so that's the history on it.
Thank you. Yes, sir. Just one item. I hate to beat the dead horse even dead, but on the paving, the paving and curbing, it was my understanding that the city owns the sidewalks as well on their city- owned
streets. And the last time I asked about it, like I think it was a couple years ago in Bvard Avenue had a section of uh street. I think it was um just south of the post office for way there. And
they did a great job, you know, very nice road, nice curbing, but the sidewalks were not done at the same time. And actually, you have to really walk on the street in that area because the sidewalks are so deteriorated. It just makes sense to me to do it all
at the same time. You're going to have the concrete there, do the sidewalks at the same time. And I don't think that's ever I every time I've It's like, yes, we own the sidewalks. We do the the street paving and the curbing, but the sidewalks
continue to deteriorate. I think it needs to be added into the at least assessed into especially if you're looking at doing a a full up capital do everything you know at one time right Brad is that I didn't see Brad left is
are the sidewalks in that study or is it just the the drivable street the sidewalks are not in that study just curbs the only thing we're doing for sidewalks at the moment is we're taking care of trip hazards they're just case by case correct would it be would it be easy enough to put in some factor on our
cost to say wherever we have curbing add 10% and do the sidewalk next to it if that particular street has a sidewalk in the area. Okay. I can propose that. Yes. Yeah. I mean I think it's easy just to have the number out there. A great point because I'm sure the driving service get priority and
you see the sidewalks they get sanded down or whatever to get rid of the trip hazard. I I don't know how many miles of sidewalks we have in the city but there's quite a bit. But it I I think it's a really good comment and I agree Commissioner Hutcherson that the sidewalks are quality of life, right? It's the ability of residents to get out
and be, you know, bike safety, walking safety and not have to walk in the street. I think it it makes a lot of sense to take good care of them. And if we could incorporate that by habit, it' be great. Okay. Oh, and to answer your question, it's 37,000 square feet.
So, it was like 17 $17 a square foot. That's a good price. I just got a metal roof in my house about 20 26 bucks. So that's 630 for the metal. Combine the projects. You know how to lay a metal roof? Actually pretty easy. That's a metal roof for 23,000. So um this is really a great
presentation. Thank you. Thank you everybody. Made all those charts come to life a little bit. Not that I agree with them all, but you know, um, government accounting starts with taxing authority and ends with us that write the check.
So, I wanted to, um, address specifically uh, some philosophical things that have to do with, for example, Surfside Playhouse just got ARPA funds to redo their bathrooms. Why are you giving them
another $20,000 from any source? Um, there are other things that need to be done in the city. I'm very happy, very appreciative of the maritime hammock being addressed after 20 years. It's um
going to be beautiful. I haven't seen the plan, but just from the description that I heard, um, I would appreciate the commission taking a better look at things like Minute Man
Shoreline erosion rehabilitation. Maybe start charging $2 a person that trumps over there and erodess the dune uh, that goes by there. raise some money from the sources that are creating the
problem. It's not the residents. We're paying the bills. Um the skate park, that thing may have been free. It's free to the public. It's great. But oh my god, every other year, 250, $300,000. The golf course, you don't want to get
me started on that. Um, but as far as the irrigation and the flood mitigation, $770,000 at the golf course. Again, you know, it's just it's just horrible. I think you really need to seriously consider
reducing the size of the golf course and making some kind of public park uh with that, which the state, you know, they say, oh, the state lands and all that. They would approve of that. The tennis courts is another build it
and they will come. We provide all the capital expenses, the infrastructure, the the maintenance and then we get another bill $862,000 Holiday Lane. When you discussed it, I thought it was 100,000 around there that you were going to talk about. That's a
private boat ramp. It is not. It's in the neighborhood. Oh, yes. People can come and so forth. There's no parking for the public. And I really think it's imperative in the public interest and the taxpayer
interest that you revisit that. Um, let's see. Oh, and I have one more very favorite thing. If there's no dive board when you replace the pool liner, m make the pool all five or six feet. The
competitive teams can turn at the wall. Everybody can still compete. you're not processing all the chemicals, cooling all that extra water in the summer and heating it in the winter. Thank you very much. See you at the next one.
Hey, Moses.