commission Josh would you uh mind doing the pledge for us be glad to please stand at face flag I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all we have invocation by Pastor Keith capy from Club zon let's pray father we thank you we bless you Lord for the privilege the honor that youve given us to come before you and seek your wisdom your discernment your
Insight to lead this community Lord I pray for our leaders here our commissioners our mayor city manager City attorney and clerk Lord that all them will work together in unison Lord for the good of our community I thank you for those who have attended I pray
that the input would be all done decently in order to give uh just a good mature look for our community we thank you Lord God for this privilege in Jesus name we pray amen amen amen city clerk roll call commissioner
Jackson here commissioner Hutson here commissioner Tomy here vice mayor Williams here may here uh get somebody uh motion for the agenda Mo agenda with H1 pulled second
motion for agenda with H1 pulled uh all in favor favor I all opposed motion passes 5 we have a special presentation it's a a proclamation for the Ancient Order of the hians and I'll attempt to read that um
I've got something in my eye so I appreciate that that's vice mayor thank you vice mayor I I'll read the end if you want the uh the therefore is Keith Reynolds here I
please come to the podium in case you want to make a comment afterwards thank you can you hear me no well it's not cuz I don't have a microphone whereas in
1776 nearly 300,000 Irish Nationals had immigrated to the American colonies to play a crucial role in America's war for independence and whereas five signers of
the Declaration of Independence were of Irish descent and three signers were Irish born and whereas 22 presidents have proudly proclaimed their Irish American Heritage and whereas in
1792 Irish Bourn James hobin provided the architectural plans for the White House and served as one of the supervising architect for the construction of the capital and whereas I was born Commodore John Barry
was recognized by the United States Congress in September of 2002 as the first flag officer of the United States Navy and whereas Commodore John Barry fought the last sea battle of
the American Revolution of the West Coast of Florida and whereas in 8 183 Captain Oliver Perry an Irish American achieved the major Naval victory in the Battle of
Lake Erie and whereas in 1942 the Sullivan Brothers made the ultimate sacrifice for democracy and freedom during the naval battle of water canal and later had the Destroyer USS
Sullivan Commission in their memory and whereas the Irish first came to Spanish La Florida in the 1500s first as missionaries and mercenary soldiers and then as planners Traders businessmen
doctors and administrators and whereas PR Richard Arthur an Irish born priest from lier Who was appointed Parish priest for St Augustine in
1597 and ecclesiastical judge of Florida of law Florida established the first public school in America and opened it to both boys and girls of all Races and whereas Andrew Jackson whose
family came from County Anri served as Florida's military Governor following its acquisition by the United States and whereas Irish Americans since America Inception have provided and continue to
provide leadership and service to this nation's political business and religious establishments now therefore I is I can read that yeah now therefore I Keith capy mayor of
the city of Coco Beach Florida do hereby Proclaim March 25th as Irish American Heritage Month in the city of Coco Beach and urge all citizens to join me in honoring those Americans who gave their lives in securing the blessings of our
Liberty thank you sir thank you mayor thank you City Council Members um my name is Keith Reynolds I'm the national director of the southeast for the United States with the Ancient Order of Hibernians I'm also the vice president of the State of Florida um today president Trump joined
Governor Dan santis and 80 other cities and towns in Florida declaring the month of March Irish American heritage month thank you very much for recognizing the contributions of Irish Amer to our great nation tonight thank you everyone can I have your Proclamation here if you'd like to
come you yes thank you thank you very much thank you thank you very much you thank you very much God bless you thank you my great grandma was
Irish cap is Italian that's the other side okay um all right any uh public comments about items that are not on the agenda all right and then also I just
want to make a uh another announcement that if you want to speak tonight because we do have a lot of people and it's probably a lot of people have a lot of stuff to say I would like you to put a speaker card in um and just give it to the city clerk here normally I let you
just come up and speak but because there's probably a lot of discussion uh it's a lot easier for the city clerk if you put a card in beforehand yeah if you go you you got to come up here no not right now that's all right this is
about yeah items about not on the agenda the uh the new speed hump when you first get into Coco Beach that uh that needs like a warning sign I know there are some signs but like yeah that's just like right in the middle of the highway and it's pretty high I know that there
was an issue in it was like Indian Atlantic where they added one and then cars were scraping it was a whole deal and they had to um cut it down a little bit that's just yeah when I hit that thing with the car I was like wow okay so they put a speed hump in the middle of the highway that's cool yeah hey could you uh State your your name and
address Marcus Grantham and I live in Indian Harbor Beach okay um yeah I I agree it's it's a 15 mph speed bump on a 30 mph Road it's it's weird yeah okay thank you thank
you yeah all right um problem all right staff reports my golf C okay so following up on that comment um at the beginning of the week I had uh contacted um
fot to discuss the uh the speed bump hump whatever they're calling it um and um I got a Little Help from our lobbyists Jason steel um I eventually got to talk to John Tyler John Tyler is
the District 5 director of fop we're in District 5 we had a a good conversation about that speed bump and um my comments to him were first of all someone made a comment here there's there's no
consistency in in the messaging with all of these things in my prior life I was an engineer for New Jersey DOT for many years this would never happen up there this these little things are experiments you
know they they do this and then they'll they're willing to very quickly come back and make changes to it um um all that being said I have a meeting set up um Monday afternoon with them uh with a number of their representatives and uh the mayor has
invited uh our staff but my my request of the commission is I'm not really sure what we want to do with that do we want to what do you want me to do I I need direction I don't know do you want to get rid of it do you want it modified I
I don't know I I would like to get rid of it honestly okay I'll just say when these were proposed I've said this before first of all there were supposed to be 16 of them so we got that greatly reduced but um they were supposed to be
what they called traffic tables which was uh 20 foot section at a 1 to 12 one one inch rise per
foot to a flat section for 20 ft and then a a gradual slope back down that was what was sold to us as a traffic table where it wouldn't really
you know give you a jolt or anything you just be like you're going up a little rise you go across a flat spot at the length of your vehicle and then you go down the other side just to kind of give you a little awareness that's not what they did so I would like for you to pass
that on in your meeting is to why did we get these little short speed bumps versus the traffic table that was advertised but would the rest of the commission also like to get the speed
bunk removed yeah I I definitely want to removed my feedback I don't know if I going to reiterate when they were here briefing our suggestions was there wasn't any consistency all down A1A right so they were proposing the speed bumps for us Satellite Beach had the middle flags that have been demolished I think they did this in Indie Atlantic
and then it was gone a month later so it didn't seem like there's any consistency so to me if there if the overall objective is to get A1A slower I don't think having multiple different design features helps so I ultimately like to get rid of them but have some consistency on but obviously they took
our our recommendations just as a guy they they went ahead and de anyways right I I concur with you Jeremy it through Satellite Beach and Indian Harbor is 35 miles an hour you get to Patrick it's 45 miles an hour then it drops to 40 um in what I call South Coco
Beach and then all of a sudden you've got a speed bump why do you need a speed bump if you have a sign um and to you know to 30 and then it goes back up to 35 and it's actually 30 in C Beach it's 30 that's what I'm say it's 30 in C Beach then it's up to
30 35 after after minute right um after after the roads come back together at four no it's it's at minim no yes they put the sign back up it's fact but your point is we're my point is my point is it's all over the place and from my recollection from from
having conversations with do is they don't change the speed limit unless the speed of the cars on the road dictate whether it's higher or lower is that your understanding of it commissioner Williams I'll comment when you're
finished okay um that's what I recollect do telling us when we said we wanted we would like uh a particular Street you know on A1A to be a certain speed limit they said we can't do that it's dictated on how fast the cars are driving on the
road on that particular stretch road so it is what it is there um the bump I was not on the commission when and Dot was here feeding that information or getting information from us and and all um but I was at the meeting and you're exactly
right it was a slow rise and then a slow decline not where you could if you have a low very low profile vehicle you could actually get stop stuck on that that's not what that's about it should be and you should be able to go over it at the
speed limit of that particular road yeah um so I tried it not at full speed but I tried it at 20 ACR on um First Street South and that was not a problem but I was in an F-150 a 2006 F-150 yeah
rattled a little bit but uh I maintained control of the vehicle that's about all I can say about it I'm not planning on going over it at 30 m hour though what about and you know people are just going to be doing it it's going to happen I don't know what it's going to do
and who's going to be at fault when their cars get um total or they run into somebody or get lose control their V I think that's where my concern goes is is I don't think you can coming into Coco Beach from the south I don't think
you can navigate safely the speed bump at the speed limit right and I without any warning that you've got to reduce your speed I think we're we're in a situation where we may be putting residents at risk if they were to go 30 over top of that speed bump I think
you're liable to lose control so I think that they put a hazard in the road that is counterproductive to pedestrian and to driver safety and on that point about pedestrian safety the whole idea
of you know years back we got have to pay to put sidewalks on both sides of the road you know up and down A1A to the Northbound and southbound Lanes it's all for what they call Net Zero which is to
keep from having pedestrians you know bicycle Riders skateboard riders uh people running across the street with the surfboards from getting hit by cars that was a net zero that's their goal I don't want anybody to get
hit by a car um the traffic tables were me to be able to go at the speed of the of the road there was a point in time where that one at First Street South was cuz they really wanted to slow
people down going down by the school and all that cuz all those crazy people that are coming in the school to Jet across traffic oh no I'm just kidding anyway uh that was going to be 6 in high and they said well it's a traffic table so you
know you're go up a little higher and then you go across and then you go back down I said what about a low boy that the federal requirement is only that they have 5 in of clearance under
their trailer and their trailer is long enough to to cross to straddle that whole thing I said that thing's going to be gone so they reduce it to 4 in okay so we have a consensus we we all would like
that removed if possible and I'll obviously I'll be there as well so or at least go to what they said they were going to do which is the traffic table but I I can go either way okay we can also take some of my experience from New Jersey and make them an offer they can't
refuse and that's get rid of it that's that's a great plan right there oh that sounds um but going in pouring a 55 gallon drama diesel fuel on it at midnight and it being gone at 5: in the morning is not environmentally friendly but it would be gone in the
[Music] morning city manager all right so I got Direction I'm good um and mayor you'll be there too so March 10th Bicentennial Park will be closed down we're going to start the Bicentennial Park renovation
project um it'll be closed for quite a while probably in the 8mon range all right got one big big fan out there um and also I'm requesting on March 20th uh if we could start the CRA
meeting at 6:30 apparently there's four or five items Karen is that so looking at the next meeting we have several items on the agenda already that's four items of in the CRA by itself that would take items a little longer than normal
and then we have um depending on what happens tonight and then we have a couple other things that agenda so requesting that we start the meeting at 6:30 the commission meeting at 6:30 and we'll transfer into the CRA like normal but at least this way we won't run into the 10:00
deadline k k it's within our within our guidelines I'm easy whatever you guys want okay we put them together nowk that's all I have all right thank you city manager
um City attorney uh nothing City commission all right moving along uh consent agenda okay this is the consent agenda item one approve the interlocal agreement between that got pulled H one
yeah was [Applause] pulled sorry I missed that okay item two approve the 63 Monon leasing agreement with Dex printing this agreement includes print Management Services equipment and maintenance this agreement
has a cost Savings of $1 17,8 734 annually and will save a total of 93,9 3346 over the entire leasing period from the previous agreement annual cost is $
76,800 199,200 63 months this is a budgeted item staff representative Kev Kevin Perez Information Technology director item three sustainable land advisory committee appoint Eric bolaski to serve
a term ending November in 20128 seat 3 commissioner tal staff representative Karen groom city clerk authorize the city manager to sign an agreement between the United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement IC a component of the Department of Homeland security
DHS in the city and the Coco Beach Police Department pursuant to which ice delegates to nominated trained and certified officers or employees of the Koko Beach Police Department the authority to perform certain immigration enforcement functions staff representative Wes Mullins police chief
recommendation approved move to approve as red got a motion in a second all in favor I all opposed motion passes 50 uh items removed from consent agenda uh
H1 H1 H1 okay approve the interlocal agreement between the Space Coast Transportation Planning organization TPO fdot and bravard County municipalities in reference to the TPO to provide transportation planning services to include Central Florida Expressway
Authority bvar county is a member of the Central Florida Expressway board the central Florida Expressway Authority is has a vital and increasing role in the transportation facilities and services in bvar County staff representative Wayne Carino city manager move to
approve is red second got a motion a second uh any public comment we've got Orson got come on up Orson who pulled it P um Jeremy pulled it evening oron tver June drive so first I want to say for the Applause for the
boat ramp that's Keith you remember when you me Greg lond Wayne and who was the city manager at the time Wayne MC Knight MC Knight we all met and me and Greg were fired up over that boat ramp being just absolutely junk Keith was like yeah I agree with you guys and I mean finally
to see that that boat ramps being done is freaking awesome so thank you okay so back to the topic um so I I asked for this speak pull thank you Jeremy commissioner for uh for doing that um so I was at one time on the resident advisory for the beach side TPO I guess
the resident between cape canaro and KOCO Beach alternates back and forth so I was on that committee for a while and I can tell you that from what I observed when it comes to fot you know fot doesn't doesn't really listen to you mayor or any the other Mayors or or
Wayne I mean they're nice to you guys but I can tell you they don't that they don't really listen to you guys but I can tell you this when I was on the Space Coast TPO on those meetings the one person that fot did listen to was Georgiana Jolette Who is the executive director director of the s space coast
TPO whatever she said basically they sat there and literally just wrote down word for word what you said so I saw this on the agenda today and um you know I reached out to Jeremy I was like if there's an opportunity to get someone to Advocate on behalf of the residents of
city of Coco Beach to get those speed bumps torn out and get the speed limit of 35 miles an hour probably the one thing that everyone agrees on in this room that whether you're an strr owner or a resident is it's just baloney but if you guys will table or postpone waiting on this
and have them you know Wayne send her a a email direct to say we need your help we're holding back you know our approval of this not saying we're not going to approve it but we want you to come to this I guess a speeding is happening and we want you to Advocate on our behalf I
can tell you what if fot sees her sitting there or she sends them an email saying hey uh you need to pull out these speed bumps and fix that speed limit I guarantee you fot will will pay attention to that and they'll they'll also give you guys lip service as well
um but I can just tell you I mean I I participate in those meetings um it is unfortunate but you already saw how they treated you so far you guys didn't want these they did it anyways you didn't want the speed limit I was here for the meeting they did it
anyways I sorry for being U pessimistic but I think unless you get a heavy weight like her behind you and advocating I think it's just just going to go though I think nothing's going to change though anyways that's my suggestion thank you uh and um Wayne
thank you for what an awesome boat ramp we're going to have here uh in a short amount of time thank you worson uh Jeremy do you have something that you wanted to say be atson okay i' like to hear skill yeah I've did 17 years as our
representative on this page Cu uh Transportation Planning organization um Georgiana was a part of the organization for barar County the entire
time um we got the minut man uh streetcape we got our sidewalks all the way through the entire town we got our roads paved um we've got
in the fiveyear plan to to raise you know at least get through the design of of raising 520 so when the hospital moves and we have high storm water we can still get to the hospital um yes
Georgiana is key in communication with fot uh I went through probably six different fot directors over our district I spoke with with lots of them like I said earlier there were supposed
to be 16 speed bumps in Coco Beach and I got it reduced and I got them to you know at least put in traffic tables which isn't what they did um so I think we do have a voice and Keith's taking over that
job uh as our representative on the Space Coast Transportation Planning organization but I will say in in I don't believe there's anybody in this room that would disagree that they lowered the speed
limit from 35 to 30 everybody still goes 35 which is what the old speed limit was so are we asking raise it to 35 so that
we can go 40 because the cops are five you're fine nine over your your mine you know so you can go you know you're talking about going you know 44 mil an hour before you get a ticket or
to leave it at 30 and you just drive five over because you you know don't pay any attention to the speed limit you're telling everybody to break the law no I'm just I'm just saying by reducing it
to 30 you finally got your 35 mph limit which is what was before people will comply you know and I didn't see anybody objecting and disagreeing with me so I I'm I'm objecting to what you just said
actually you got a ticket for five over I'm s I'm suggesting you are suggesting that now anyone can drive 39 M hour and not get a ticket and I don't think that's appropriate for our commission or our city representative to tell everyone
everywhere that they can drive 30 9 mph in a 30 mph Zone and not get a ticket I don't think it's n your mind n your mind you can go five you're fine nine you're mine that's that's
Nation Nationwide if I had Mr Mayor can I speak please you may thank you my point is you as a commissioner commissioner Williams are stating to the public that it's okay to go go 38 mph through Coco Beach in a 30 mph Zone and
I disagree with that okay that's all I'm saying what's your if I'm done talking then then you can ask the mayor if you can talk okay thank you I'm done can I take
please what's your observation now that they've reduce the speed limit to 30 what's your observation of the traffic flow the normal traffic flow through that 30 m hour Zone let me just interject real quick it
doesn't make sense to go back and forth on this other than the observation that it's not okay to basically say it's okay to break the law so but we do know I I know the point that you're saying is people are going
to go five over anyways um and I understand where you're getting at it but we we can't can't condone it but we know that people do it so I think we can just leave it at that at this point but I do want to say um I I want to ask the city manager um oron's recommendation to
should we table it or should we just vote on it now um what would you what would your recommendation do uh be should we wait till after the meeting to vote on it or should we just vote on it we have a motion in a second we have to vote on it I know but I'm saying would
you recommend that we we vote yay or nay just from because you're going to be talking with them you've been in contact to be honest with you I think that's beyond my cognizance I think that's your decision the commission's decision not mine
um I'd be more than happy to do everything that I can to get them removed um as far as the speed limit and the involvement in the TP um if you want if you want to wait until after the meeting I'll fine with that
what what does the rest of the commission think about that asking if there's any leverage yeah I'm thinking I mean you're the one that's been talking toage no is it no it it's a negative leverage if you don't pass this okay pass it um I got one more comment no
agreement if you get a job at the Space Center and you're going to drive through the air force gate to get to Kennedy Space Center if you go one mile an hour over
the speed limit the Air Force Police will give you a ticket so and it's it's it actually comes with the cost so there are places that enforce the
speed limit to the T and there are other places that that are a little more lenient I would say so I recommend following the posted speed limits I was just giving a
general Google it you know guideline Nationwide of of what the consensus is on when you get tickets and when you don't get tickets but if you're on that Air Force side and you're 1 M an hour over and or you don't rock to a stop and
a stop sign if you do the California role you're getting a ticket okay I I think it's irant at this point May um Can can I again so after thinking about this I would suggest my suggestion pass this now and then when you go into that
meeting Monday you will be the representative of of rtpo you'll carry more weight if Georgiana um okay you know and and so that would be my recommendation is very reasonable all right very good okay uh public comments
closed um all in favor I all all opposed motion passes 550 all right unfinished business okay item one discuss pedestrian bicycle striping on the multi-use path along Minuteman Causeway
staff representative Jeremy Hutcherson commissioner recommendation approve installing ebike pedestrian awareness stencil approve to approve as written we got a motion in a second um public comment we've got Judy Eberly good evening Commissioners I'm
using my outside voice so everybody can hear and I hope everybody else will do that forthcoming um two things on this um paint is cheap paint it we have staff in Cocoa Beach we don't have to Outsource it put those put the paint on
whatever you want maybe make it reflective as I was driving here tonight it w there were people on um Minute Men Causeway had bike lights and everything but again it's important that people see them if you can make it reflective again
we can do it inhouse um the other thing uh the other thing is um we have stop signs on all of up going up and down Minute Men Causeway those stop signs are at least two full
car lengths um that people pull out to and stop people do not stop very well I won't say everyone but they don't stop very well for pedestrians for bicycles we have two car
we have two schools in Coco Beach on Minutemen Causeway when people don't pull up and stop at the stop sign look left look right there's going to be an accident um I suggest and it was brought
up last meeting I suggest that we have um signs below the stop sign again we can do this in-house it's not going to cost much because we have inhouse design making and I believe I'm correct on that that should
say caution pedestrians bicycles Crossing in 2014 2014 my son was late for school going to Coca Beach Junior Senior High School he was on his bike and he was paddling he got hit by a car
he flipped over the handlebars he landed in the grass thank you God on his backpack thank you God he was not severely hurt he had an arm injury the woman that hit him
was beside herself she knew my son John when I finally got the call and got there I stopped my car said a prayer walked across the street and saw my son com compassionately watching over this woman cuz she was so distraught the
ambulance the police everybody did a great job thank you but for me me when people don't stop where they're supposed to stop that's where the accidents are going to happen if there's a sign that says pedestrians and bicycles C you know
Crossing put you know as we were talking about speed bumps earlier put rumble strips there put the speed bumps at the stop signs make people stop but when my son was hit by that car you can only imagine my distress and
I think there's something that can be done about it inhouse thank you thank you all right public comments closed uh oh go ahead uh good evening commissioner Brad kelel Public Works director as part of
your discussion I want to bring up a topic that was recently brought to our attention uh last week fot reached out to us they run a program with elementary schools throughout the State this year they ran a program through Roosevelt
Elementary it's a bike safety symbol drawing contest and they've selected two winners from the elementary school and oh you don't have the school one so what fot wants to do they will
take the drawings and make them into a thermal plastic image and they want to put this on the sidewalk in front of Roosevelt in two spots so just I wanted to give that to you for your information
tonight thank you all right commission discussion I mean we we've voted 5 and the um the funding side of it and then it there was an action to get the legal ramifications I think we've mitigated that I like the idea I think it's to her to Judy's Point
anything we can do to make it aware it's a low cost solution so I'll for it and if just in the area by the that's just by the elementary school Brad this is this is no cost to us this
is a free free donation I'm saying yeah so Rose Roosevelt Elementary yeah just Rosevelt right two so they want to put one near where the kids park their bikes the bike compound right there and then the other one by the exiting driveway
okay I you know that's okay but to put things like this what we're in places we're talking about is you know maintenance intensive because everybody knows paint fades in Florida white paint
probably lasts longer at least maintain some contrast longer so I stand behind uh go ahead and supporting this Brad are these images um you're suggesting that they're colored like that or are they going to be white they will be colored colored it's because the
kids drew them understand that I'm just two of them though right okay and and fot is expecting these to last 5 to seven years it's not even a state road so who cares about you know eventually when they do Fade I suppose we could just
paintt it gray and then put a white one over it or or or maybe they'll continue the program and and paint it gray and then put a new one on in the next year or or five years or whatever so there's something we could do let School Board deal with it this is
separate from what we're we're voting on yeah so so General consensus we're okay with with allowing um fot to do that would you like fot to come to the next meeting to give a a little bit more information about the program oh yeah
then we can talk to him about some other things these aren't the right the right people okay all right so just point out the reason eot is now dealing with school property is because of they have
every meeting a bicycle safety program report you know back to the Net Zero they don't want people pedestrians or bicyclists or skateboard ERS or anything else you might do on the roadways with
cars to be injured so now they're reaching out into things that Minute Men Causeway is not a state road and obviously the sidewalks aren't State
sidewalks but they're advocating this to put them there as part of their goal for Net Zero to raise awareness so I'm okay with it okay all right bre we're we're okay with
it bread um all right so let's get to the the discussion at hand so are we all okay with the updated stencils just to show that bicycles and pedestrians are
on the path uh any other public Comon or I mean uh commission comment on that before saying every other one should be in the opposite direction because everybody's not always going to be going this way right yes we Clos public yeah we close public
comment sorry um okay so you guys ready to vote on this or yeah I like the fact that it's not um one side or the other because that's just not going to yeah happen and um I'm for this if the consensus is is to put these stencils in
and we think that that's the safest thing to do I'm going to have to concur with that um I think the uh what we for safety on the sidewalk which was what this was all about was actually controlling the speed of the ebikes
which we may be doing um going forward um not for a discussion right now U but that's definitely going to be on the agenda going forward uh mitigating the the speed of ebikes or whatever bikes they are cuz some of them aren't
actually ebikes they're motorbikes so um I concur with this okay so what do you guys think like maybe like and I don't I guess this is up to Public Works how they want to do it but like one between every every block I mean you don't want them you
don't want them everywhere obviously wait a minute you have a you have a proposal that should already already have that delineated okay yeah and I'm I'm good with the proposal I I think this is I think this was proposed as a first step of many and I think as soon
as we have these up and have few moments to observe if there's if there's a benefit something to build on something we can learn I think we need to be intentional to put this topic right back on to and as commissioner tool is mentioning that it may be already in the works but I'd like to
make sure we hold ourselves accountable to continue to bring this topic to the four and intentionally put it on our agenda to continue to identif to find new Solutions in next steps all right all in favor I all
opposed motion passes 5 new business okay um new business item one adopt ordinance 1695 an ordinance of the city of Coco Beach Florida amending chapter 26.5 vacation rentals of the code of ordinances of the city of Coco
Beach providing that the regulation of vacation rentals shall be Citywide rather than just in the rs1 zoning District making related changes in the code and providing for conflicts codification separability and an effective date staff representative
Wayne kajino city manager recommendation adopt on first reading approve ordinance 1695 second got a motion and a second again I I just want to remind everybody comments can we yes I want I just want to remind
everybody that um if you want to speak you must put in a speaker card tonight uh I'm only going to be taking speaker cards tonight and you have 3 minutes so make sure you you think about what you want to say for the 3 minutes and uh we're going to go to commission comment before
that yes um I I tried to figure out uh you know I know we're expanding past rs1 and I know that I you know have a lot of people that say they live in
zoning that's not rs1 you know RM districts you know some of the uh Town commercial districts other districts that have issues with short-term rentals that you know obviously don't have
basically any rules um but I want to make sure that and if it needs to be done by Amendment Becky let me know okay M I want to make sure that we're not applying this
to uh zoning that already has permitted transient you know allowances because there are condominiums in cooko beach that are
permitted as transient in which case they can rent by the hour if if they want to and we shouldn't be registering uh condominiums or any
properties that are currently allowable as transient okay are are we talking about condotels are you you're probably talking about a the Diplomat there's there are
okay Dave have you been here long enough have to know where all our transient districts are you can say no no okay so I just want to make sure this
excludes currently permitted transient properties no it does not exclude anything it would not apply to hotels because those are not vacation rentals it would only apply to Vacation
Rentals as defined in our ordinance which is the same definition as defined by the state okay I think Tim was here there might be people in the audience who were here but years ago before Becky
was here we had condominiums that were acting as hotels long before short-term rentals okay and they weren't renting for 6 months in a
day or more okay and we did a grandfathering for them to come forward and confess that they were doing transient lodging and we we gave
them that permit to be transient now some of them had to go in and put sprinkler systems in and all kinds of things to to comply with being a transient lodging
establishment but we do have permitted transient lodging establishments that are not hotels in goo Beach and I'd like to make it m they're not okay they're not vacation
rentals because if if they are they don't they don't have to long before shortterm vacation rentals airbnbs vrbos whatever you want to call them we had that going on in Coca beach in hotel in
in Condominiums and apartment buildings and they weren't living by the you got to rent for six months and one day minimum they were renting by the day week month month to month each I mean
I'm just going to say it I guess I guess what I'm saying is the vacation rental is a vacation rental is a vacation rental unless it's a hotel in my op unless it's a hotel and we have currently permitted transient
properties that were have been doing that for years and and they have they have btrs and there are a whole bunch of vacation rentals that because throughout the entire
city if you are renting transient rentals you have to get a BTR so that's everywhere right every zoning with the BTR right but to Reg why should a
property that was grandfathered in as transient be it a condominium or an apartment building now be forced to register as the short-term R it it is totally up to
you it's perfectly legal to require that I don't know if we have a list somewhere of of I don't know who was grandfathered in I'm going to let Dave I'm going to let uh I mean is there a piece of paper there's a couple zones I just looked up
CN and CT would be the only zones that I could see that could possibly fit that description I agree but they they are documented so I just don't know exactly what the the verbiage is on a CT or a CN Zone I don't
know if that's a separate it's a separate uh permitting that was documented years ago to say okay you guys came forward you're transient you got to live by transient
standards and we recognize you as transient property okay so they they are inspected like hotels they they've got the sprinkler systems I'm just asking I don't know
yeah the fire chiefs I I don't know what their requirements are I just know that that went down years ago if if we don't have the actual verbage and and documentation in front of us exactly what that is we're just going on you're memory I get that if we don't have that
we can't we can't use that we've got to have actual documentation and Zoning numbers thank let's listen to D good evening mayor and members of the commission yeah the point want to make is there's a reason why we have a
category labeled as transient and we have a category labeled as vacation rentals because they're not the same they have different impacts they have different characteristics their ownership is different transient transient lodging
AKA hotels motels is a generally it's a unified property owned under one ownership that's not the case with vacation rentals and so the the they're they're
two different animals and so to try to regulate them the same is a um could potentially be very problematic is that's that's the point I'm trying to make okay and can can you'll get it figured out do we have our fire
inspector back there that wants to talk about the current transients that aren't hotels and Cent just for your information we have have hotels that are actually uh state registered as
Condominiums so that they can evade some of the taxes that are implied on hotels so those aren't all under the same ownership they're a conglomerate but they're individually owned Condominiums so that's how they get
around that right salerto Fire Marshall um we do all fire inspections for btrs for new businesses those that are transient rentals the condominiums or excuse me not Condominiums but the hotels get annual inspections per the state requirement so anything that's a
BTR for a transi rental is under this the state statute 69a and that's we have a checklist that we go they are different than the hotels hotels are more stringent are are you saying that you have Condominiums you don't have condominiums
that are inspected as transient we we do they they have btrs at attached to them there are probably some that are there are are unregistered and when they become 51% uh transient rentals then it kind of falls under a larger category that has to be a little bit more stringent but um
that is something that the third party would have to address to see how many we have that are 51% and that's that's where the breakdown was was we had the transient going on with people that weren't transient and if they were over 51% then
they had put in Fire Sprinklers and I get that I get that that's kind of everywhere but this this went on this was years and years ago okay so all I'm saying is I won't make an amendment to say that the current
transient permitted properties uh are not required to be included in this but I will ask that it be looked into between now and the second reading because if the second
reading comes out exactly as the first reading then I would like to make that Amendment and have the backup data to say that current permitted transient be it condominiums or
apartment buildings would be exempt from this because we grandfathered a in years ago okay well we just and I'm not trying to be argumentative at all but we have been issuing btrs for years and years and years and
years for vacation rentals which are the transient btrs so it's it's probably I mean I I assume that the majority I don't know I assume that the majority of vacation
rentals in the city because they are required to have a BTR have a BTR so they are all the ones that have come and said that they're vacation rentals or that
they're transient they already have their BTR but that's not a regulatory permit that's just a it's a tax okay and under the state law the the um Fire Marshall has to go in and do inspections
on that sort of thing but you know when you say you grandfather GED them in I think a long time ago there used to be um from um depending upon if you were east or west of
A1A you had to have you don't have to try to surmise it now let just look it up before the next meeting okay go back into the hysterical record uh Karen to see if there were Karen can point you to it yeah but but what I'm saying is
before there was short-term reyolds vacation reyolds uh airb you know however the the economy is now and the way they advertise there were transient
short-term RS okay sure okay so and those people had btrs yeah okay so they were operating just like current short-term rentals then and now because of short-term
rentals airb such and such we want to regulate them beyond what they were originally required to do right right yes that that was the
purpose of this ordinance I know but you don't have to adopt it I I all I want to do is the people that are already in this historical record were
claimed we're transient before all this short-term rental thing started less than a decade ago or maybe it was longer but didn't really catch on those people that we
permitted to be owners in transient districts or transient permitted buildings should be exempt okay it's totally up to y'all whatever you want to do Mr Mayor are we going to
have we're also going to have the chance to discuss as a commission well after public comment right yes anybody want to yeah go ahead one more comment Mr Mayor um I want to make the point that transient rentals are not regulated by the city we don't have any
ordinances that regulate the use and operation of transient rentals yeah they do and we shouldn't start now well there's there's a I'm that's the decision for the commission that's not a decision for me what what I believe I believe the city manager was directed to
do was come up with some regulations to address vacation rentals in the city for some reason that was determined to be important enough to get the manager to do that and we've we've been reacting to that so all I'm saying is right now we
do not regulate transient rent um um units for some reason vacation rentals have become an issue they've evolved since whenever this was done I'm not sure what what year that was but they've evolved they've become a true industry
and the impacts are different between a vacation rental and transient transient rental unit they're different and we don't have anything right now on the books to deal with transient rentals so
that's where the commission will need to decide how to deal with that uh City attorney if if we do have repeat offenders passed I would say the three the three penalties do do we have the authority if we if we vote on it to
suspend a BTR or a short-term rental uh registration a license for them to operate you I would not recommend that you would ever do that after three violations they become a nuisance property and then
we can take them to court and let a court do what the court would do okay so I'm just going to I'm going to say it again I think I think so vacation rentals whether it's in a condo or it's
in um a residential or whatever I think everybody I think it should be fair across the board I think I think you know if you if you have a vacation rental you should pay whatever the vacation rental fees are but I I'll say again I I still think the the
registration fees are are way too expensive I I want them I I think it's fair that everybody pays the same price but I think that like my recomendation recommendation before I would like to see it closer to uh
1,000 uh for first time and 800 for Renewal and um and a a a 30-day grace period um so that people can can get their stuff in order but um I I am totally in favor of the fines I'm I'm in
favor of raising it uh to a reasonable uh registration rate again that was why I didn't vote on it last time because I thought the fees were unreasonable I I agree with everything but I won't vote to approve this unless
the fees are more reasonable so but that's a separate item on the agenda right it was a separate item those are we're we're not we're not on that oh that was the other one okay I think yeah just well that's just general they're almost inter related the two topics but
but I think we've discuss C I agree but however so just so the The public's aware the city can't profit from it so we can't just arbitrarily set fees it has to cover the cost of managing so I agree the fees seem ridiculously high but the city said hey this is the cost
it takes to enforce that I don't know I asked for Revenue model we don't have that what I'd like to see is this all managed in an Enterprise fund so we know exactly it's transparent to the owners I agree it should be even across the board if the fees can come down it'll be transparent we have to have whatever
fees we collect we have to have the cost in that same Enterprise fund because we say we get a th000 people on board and they pay $1,000 a piece that's a million I mean we should definitely be able to regulate it for a million dollar a year in my opinion and that's not even including
the the fines yeah so one other piece is last last time when we talked about this the the program cost were estimated at 2.3 million but you said we weren't actually going to hire the folks I didn't quite understand that I think we're were going to grow with it I don't think we're just going to hire them oh at least that was my understanding is
that we were going to grow with the as the as as it comes across we weren't just going to hire five people we were going to hire I think one person at least and that you know like like you said you know 100,000 150,000 a year with with benefits and all that and the
car um all right so but just some highle math if we do the $1,500 plus all the inspection fees at the ,500 units that are in the city that's 3 and5 million so we got to come up with $35 million worth of cost to substantiate those
fees so that's why I want to see it manag in an Enterprise fund just so you can have that transparency I agree they're High um but I certainly don't want to challenge that because they're not arbitrarily set I mean there's CS that justify those and then the inspection fees and
all that are you know I'm okay with the inspection fees I'm all right with that I just think the registration like I said uh C the butt in yes Hannah can you come up for a minute I want our finance director to give us a little bit of information on
Enterprise F how it relates to this and Devon too hi good evening Hannah can you just explain a little bit um how an Enterprise fund would not fit into this model yes so Enterprise funds we've
s oh sorry so we've looked into Enterprise funds if that's an option for the city to establish the um short-term rental program and it doesn't appear that it is we've looked at guidance from the gfoa which is the accounting board um government government Finance
officing Officers Association um the city is a member of that Association we've looked for guidance from them and it does not appear that this could be an Enterprise fund um generally speaking Enterprise funds consist of utility program so for
water sewer those sort of activities it's usually a budget where our expenditures are supported with the revenues that are collected thank you so there are other um accounting financing methods to track
yes there are I mean that's what it's going to come down to if you think the fees are too high what are the cost that substantiated I agree they seem high but I don't I didn't set them we we provided
a spreadsheet with our costs right um if I can interject yes you may yeah I know we're talking about a different agenda item we should focus on this one get this one through and then move on to the other discussion I think that's good and I think we should go to public comment and get to hear let's get
let's get public comment on this uh on this one here um Steve regimen re it's hard to read your last name on here yeah thank you uh I'm commenting in
general um just broadly I understand the need to regulate vacation rentals I support that in theory I'm a vacation rental owner myself um I think that the motivation has been a lot of abuses of the system
but I would encourage you to really focus on punishing the wrongdoers and not punishing the large majority of us who operate according to your regulations and respectfully with the neighbors uh my wife and I bought a home
in a single family area we operate as a vacation rental now registered according to all the city code and we've made good relations with the neighbors we improve the property greatly um there's a lot of homeowner residents around us who don't follow city code and that's not a big
issue but people seem to focus on vacation rentals as a problem um now you're expanding that to cover condos as well and I understand the need to have a program to register to have registration fees I think those fees should be in
line with uh supporting the actual cost of the program not as a punitive fee and you should focus on trying to um pen penalize the wrongdoers so when you have people who have 30 guests at a uh
residents yeah uh find them call out law enforcement deal with that issue but don't penalize the people who are doing it the right way especially those who have been historically operating their condos like you're mentioning that were not registered before if you need to support
a program to register them just please do a fee that's um that supports the actual cost of doing that not a punitive fee and try to focus on keeping order in the city not punishing everybody who
just doesn't um you know there there's a real uh disconnect between people who are residents and rental owners and you uh focus on punishing the wrong people so I'm having a hard time expressing that but I hope you get the message that
uh there's a lot of us doing it the right way who are trying to be good law-abiding citizens and support the community we pay property taxes we're supportive of everything that's going on in the city but we're begging you to not punish those of us who are doing it the right way and making it really hard to
do the thing we're doing to make your community better at the same time thank you Nancy happle I'm not sure that uh my Nancy hle live in Coco Beach um I'm not sure that I'm speaking during the
right uh I didn't realize there were two agenda items on vacation rentals once's for this one's for adding um the condos and the next one's for for the fines and and fees can I speak on the next one you may thank you I'll put this over
here all right um Orson oron T 178 June drive so um can you also put my thing also into the pile for that as well but I do only want to just comment on this is that it does sound fair it should be expanded into all the zoning districts you know that
makes sense but I think um we already have a problem just with rs1 and we you know we've already heard about how hard it is for the city just to enforce and the low compliance and low registration now you're going to open this up to all the zoning districts you still only have
you haven't hired anyone yet have you Dave you still only have one code enforcement officer and you open this up to all the districts it's not like you're just going to have a slow metering of potential complaints issues it's all just going to come in at once people are going to be complaining you
still don't have the revenue yet because I don't even I think I checked the city website you guys haven't even updated the website yet for the new fees you passed two weeks ago maybe I mean I haven't checked it today maybe it was I'm just saying I mean man guys I mean if you're going to do this like you just
seems like you're taking what is already a small a small big problem in in a small district and you're going to blow it up across the entire city and you still only have one code enforcement officer Chief have you hired any police officers lately to deal with
complaints no so you don't have any more police officers to respond to complaints after hours I don't know it just sounds like a it's going to be a mess man you know I mean I support it but it just I don't think this is only two weeks ago are
trying to fix the problem in one District which is a funding issue so anyways I'll talk about the the fee later but I just man I'm worried you guys are just going to really just blow this entire thing up for the city staff and they're just going to be completely
overwhelmed and everyone's going to be bad at you guys because they're be like well why' you do that if you can't even fix one problem that way you can't even fix the bigger problem and then everyone's even more upset so any thanks for your time but I appreciate you guys working on this thanks hon Katie
aosta I think that's Katie is that a k or an R okay I've sorry good evening uh thank you for allowing me to speak today my name is Katie aosta and I'm a resident of Koko Beach I'm here to request your consideration for an amendment to the
recently passed regulation regarding short-term rentals in our city while I fully understand and appreciate the city's efforts to regulate this growing industry and protect the interests of our community i' like to propose a specific addition to the current policy that I believe will better ensure
transparency and accountability if I understand correctly um currently the regulations require Property Owners to register short-term rentals with the city as it stands there's no explicit requirement to verify that all owners of the property are aware of and agree to the
registration this can create a situation where only one owner or in some cases no owner of a property may be listed in the registration process leaving out others who may have a legal or financial interest in the property I propose adding a step that requires the signatures and valid IDs of
all Property Owners listed on the deed whether primary owners co-owners or other legal stakeholders to be submitted during the registration process this ensures all parties involved are properly informed helps the city maintain accurate records and reduces disputes or fraudulent activity
additionally by preventing unauthorized registrations upfront this requirement could help decrease enforcement costs by minimizing the need for investigations and conflict resolution I believe that small Amendment as the smaller I guess that's based on opinion but would be a
reasonable and necessary step to ensure the process is fair transparent and secure um it would give property owners more confidence that the city is keeping accurate and complete records of those involved in renting out their properties while safeguarding the Integrity of our neighborhoods and ensuring that our community remains a place where we can
all be proud of thank you sounds like you're applying for a job I work in HR so there you go Dave so Becky yes you understood what you was trying to say yes she's a lawyer
yes and I I I think I will have to go back and look at the ordinance as written but I believe all or owners do have to sign yeah already okay well maybe we're not enforcing that all owners you might have to start looking at property records to find out who the
actual owners are before we issue them a BTR anyway if that's piece to look at for I don't think we should make an amendment on it tonight if we can get past the first reading that's been brought up as a subject you could bring us back that information absolutely for
the next meeting same as what I asked about the current transient folks that are sir already basically what I would think be exempt okay okay Deborah Ortiz
con conion good evening um I own a property in front of the pig and whistle 1940 beautiful little pink Cottages that I've tried my best to keep as nice as I can and 13 years ago when my mom passed
away the only way I could keep it was to turn it into vacation rentals and um this recent one of obviously I wanted to do everything by the book I paid everything I need to pay I have my BTR I have all those sort of things and you go by the rules and everybody always
assured me you have the correct zoning because it's a Cottage Road dist District Etc this rs1 new issue that came up terrified me because um I don't know what people think we earn as vacation
rental owners but there's it's not the cash cow everybody thinks it is there's a lot of Maintenance especially if you want to keep a property and um maintain it the way it should be and most of the vacation rental owners do
that because otherwise they would never have any business um my concern is that this fee while I agree that um you know coming out of the rs1 and where the rs1 seem to have a lot of the problems if
you're in a district that's considered an area that has a little bit more activity Etc um you want to include us it would the idea would be to help spread some of it out to make the enforcement easier because
the funds are there to be able to allow that to happen but 2,000 and something per unit most of us have little duplexes or forp plexes I've been here since the 70s and this property's been in my family since
then I'll sell it there's no point for me to think I have a $10,000 bill on top of my $10,000 worth of taxes on top of my 20,000 in insurance and my expenses
for there's no point what's the point so what happens I sell it to whoever the highest bidder is he comes and makes a nice little concrete three-story elevator and puts that in the middle of the Cottage Row cuz he's allowed to
that's what they can do so so much for the charm I'm not the only owner that that that is a resident and has been a resident for years and supports our community and put their Blood Sweat and Tears into this community and buys
property and maintains it and wants to keep it so these kind of fees are extraordinary for a normal person to try and think I can do this every year on top of everything else that I don't know
what my insurance is going to do next year I don't know what my taxes are going to do they've gone up in three years they've gone from 4,500 to 10,000 so I just say I would I would think because you may
yeah uh I I do actually want to say something to that point um Cottage Row I mean that's a business area so it's to me it's a little bit different and I don't know like like skip was saying about some of these areas but um you
know a bar pays like $250 I think for their registration for the year and then you're going to have a little fourplex pay $10,000 when they have a a tenth of the of the uh of the
traffic that a bar has just so the different designations or different areas is something that we should look into like you said uh Katherine uh swingle this discussion is on Zone yeah zoning just on the I know but I was
making a point about Z mayor and city council uh thank you for the opportunity to speak thank you Deborah um for uh setting some some uh stage for me um I too am a resident here in Coco Beach I've been here for 10 years my husband
Todd and I have we own um in the uh Town Center Redevelopment area um next to Deborah's property actually um we bought these properties in 2001 looking for a real estate
investment we were thinking we would um do a a long-term rental potentially but financially that doesn't work here you cannot buy the property and operate a long-term rental with the cost of operating here um but because they are
in a multi-use Zone we could operate a business there we did everything we were supposed to do we got all of our business licenses we renovated these places we spent a year and poured hundreds of thousands of dollars into turning them into a place that was not
habitable into a beautiful little cottage um we get tremendous uh positive feedback from both the community and our guests that St with us um so on the basis of the ordinance you know we do have two two
concerns in particular one the ordance itself is really geared towards issues in the rs1 area noise parking congestion our businesses are located in a commercial area we have bars and
restaurants across the street I have surf shops behind us um and uh businesses all around us right the ordinance should not apply to commercial zoning these areas are are
already set up for activity including lodging restaurants tourism related business city services are planned for higher intensity uses and transient occupancy is expected in these areas applying these same rules here as in residential neighborhoods is unnecessary
and places an unfair burden on the legitimate businesses in these areas the fees themselves we've talked about that some are unfair and excessive our little four um unit property is would be
treated as four separate units with four registration fees um these are two-bedroom one bath we don't bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars per unit right it is an excessive fee on top of the operating expenses the insurance
the taxes that we have to pay in order to own these properties in the first place we have gests that come and they do support this community right they come and we've we've hosted hundreds of gests in the time that we've been there they do support the community the other thing on the fees you know um you
mentioned uh the bars PID $200 the the fees on us for annual renewal would be equivalent to 28 bars that can host 100 people or 1,800 hotel rooms that's the equivalent fees that
there's no way our little duplexes have that level of impact on the city appreciate [Applause] it uh Alex St steni yes yes sir
my name is Alex drinski and um I reside at 5200 Ocean Beach Boulevard and Coco Beach uh we moved here in 1967 and fell in love with Cocoa
Beach and we did we did some renting and we did some vacationing in Coco Beach and uh we ended up buying a unit in the in the Coco Beach Club in 1985 40 years
ago uh to to to maintain the unit and to pay for all the expenses we we also rent out the unit we that when we're not there uh we've been renting the unit before there was an
Airbnb before there was a vacation rentals by owner we rented prior to that and we contined to read uh I read the ordinance that you folks have and it was a very good ordinance except it should
not apply to us I read in the paper uh about two or three weeks ago that we were the condo associations were excluded because they're going to do self policing and I I I was surprised that
this meeting was going to occur here on a revised ordinance uh we were grandfathered back 20 years ago and that was a a smart thing to do to let us police because the the things
that you're concerned about in the ordinance uh don't apply to us and I'll I'll give you a couple examples one is parking there's a lot of paragraphs on parking we're self-contained there's no
off street parking everything's in inside if we have a couple guests we have extra parking for that so parking is not an issue uh noise and and and problems with with uh
neighbors uh we're we're we're self-contained this we we have a a um residents that are mostly seniors that are renting and uh once we get into into the summer period it's
families uh and we don't party we close the pool at 8:00 there's there's no uh areas to to have parties and we don't have it and the third item is that we do self-
policing we have an on onsite uh manager that's there 7 days a week 24 hours a day to maintain the units but also to maintain our rules and
regulations noise parking all those are are taken care of so what I'd like to ask is that you continue what we had before and and and and not include the condo associations
in this ordinance thank you thank [Applause] [Music] you Marcus grunther what was it Grand Grandam all right hey everyone my name is Marcus Grantham I live in Indian
Harbor Beach and I have a 5-year-old son and an 8-year-old daughter and my loving wife who manages our three short-term rental condos here in Coco Beach that are in a cottage roow zoning the reason I wanted to tell you about my family is to let you know that your actions here
matter they have impact we did not come from money we scrape by to buy these condos they don't make a ton of money like a million dooll house these three condos make $100 a night and now we got to add all these fees on top of it just
like everybody else has said we we Airbnb these condos and we have them properly registered we have the BTR we got our smoke detectors we have emergency lights we had the fire inspector come by and we did everything by the book last last meeting you raised
the fee on rs1 by 400% and you said hey it's not going to apply to all the condos and now one meeting later it applies to the condos now that we have to register it's already oh yeah yeah so now that we have to register it's already been increased to the 2500 from the 500 so we didn't
even get a chance as a condo to come in and register as the $500 I emailed everyone and then skip did reply and he told me that I should have already registered but then she said last time that didn't apply to the condo and also
the um code enforcement lady that we went through actually accidentally filled out the rs1 application she said no you know you're not supposed to do rs1 you just need the BTR so now that it's 2500 I get to register our three condos which is
$7,500 which is going to be really hard to come up with and I just kind of feel betrayed by this whole process I would have registered earlier when it was cheaper but now it's up to 2500 and now it's getting pushed onto US condos and we don't even get a chance to do anything so to us this is a big deal and
just please keep my family in mind while you're making these decisions to increase the fees thank you thank you Judy Everly hello again I'm Judy Eberly I've been a resident of Coca Beach for 25 years thank you uh hearing already um from our
commissioner that he does not agree with these rates because they're outrageous um I live in a neighborhood there's at least four or five airbnbs on my street um what I have found the one right next to me they're great people get to know your neighbors let them know that if
there's a problem you got their number they'll take care of it um in I believe we let the horse out of the barn and that meant that anybody could do it um there's a this is great tool it's
called mystery shopper you get somebody on the city in the employee section looking on VRBO Airbnb whatever every one of those and you find out and just put a little tick mark not registered not registered not legit not legit legit
legit legit the people that are doing the right thing my kudos to you you're doing the right thing it's the people that come in whether it's with a company a business a getrich quick scheme yeah they need penalization and it's not raising the
fee for everybody um I have some suggestions for you uh one of the suggestions um I did speak with Dave there is a posting somebody has already applied for the job um you know when you don't give someone the tools to do their job you're setting them up for failure
you're setting them up for failure you're having one person possibly two my suggestions inhouse posting in County posting get more people they need easily four to five and even if it's only part-time for the next
two years get the horses back in the barn utilize what we have um again um I worked for a huge company 20 years ago and I had the opportunity to post be interviewed and to go on executive loan
outside the company I worked for I was there for two years and then I would have gone right back to my current job but having people come in and help us out during this critical situation again if one person is doing the job
that needs five people you guys aren't doing your job I don't mean to point fingers I I know that sounds rude but do your job in the sense of allow code to get people whether they are um out within the city
out of the city um people that have had experience in this look around find people that know the job and can come and do it with us for Coco Beach until we can get the horses back in the barn it's all I have except for do your job thank
you Genie Shel schroer good evening I'm Jean schroer I'm the owner of Coco Beach villas at 1395 South Atlantic Avenue it is a quadruplex that I have owned over 20 years at that time
when we bought it it was a vacation rental it did transient rentals I registered with the state I can uh collect and remit taxes with the county and the state the state came in gave fire expense uh inspections when you know the city of Coco Beach actually tried to shut me down I had to hire an
attorney and fight for what I purchased to make sure that I could continue doing transient rentals well guess what I finally won but years later what happened y'all let everybody else do it totally unfair competition right I started with 200
competitors on Airbnb if I go on Airbnb now within a couple mile radius I have over 2,000 competitors now you're interested in raising the hi the rate hikes on our fees it's outrageous it's damaging my property taxes are over
30,000 a year my insurance is going through the roof every year I keep my property Immaculate I pour into the city of Coco Beach I don't feel like I'm getting that back I when we first went into business it was a sign on A1A you
did Google AdWords to gain your business and you developed relationships with people to get that business back then Airbnb came well I couldn't fight them so I joined them now I am an Airbnb superhost I'm an ambassador and I'm actually an expert on Airbnb and I can
tell you there are a lot of unlicensed vacation rentals in this community and you can do something about it rather than penalizing those of us that have been doing the right things for over 20 years it's outrageous I'm going to give you a quick example I own
another piece of property in Boston Massachusetts when I went to put it on Airbnb they would not let me until I added in my licensing for the state and the city it wouldn't allow it Airbnb has the ability to stop people from using
their platform unless they're properly licensed there are things that we can do as a community to make sure that you receive the revenue and you can control the airbnbs and the vacation rentals in this community and to honestly I'd be
more than happy to consult and show you how to easily look on the map system on Airbnb and just see where they all are and can you match them up with your your licensing when you talk to gigit on the phone she absolutely knows they're not all licensed so I just I just ask that
you consider penalizing the people that deserve to be penalized and not those of us that have been doing the right thing for over 20 years thank [Music] you all right that that concludes our public comment the uh the commission now
will comment and then we'll vote anybody else want to add to what they've commented before or on anything they've heard yeah I would um I think I think we've heard a number of really great comments um and I and I tend to
agree I I think going back to one of the first ones from Orson that we've got to get our hand around what we've already put on our plate we've got to get folks hired up we've got the primary driver that got you know got this conversation
started we've got to learn how to start implementing we've got to get at steady state just in the rs1 which we've already bid off right and so once we're up and running we understand it we've got good characterization of costs I think the city has done an excellent job
trying to get their definition of cost but before we start complicating the situation by expanding out into every facet of the city and starting to get into multiple aspects of nuancing of size and count and location and and all
the different variations that could drive our implementation cost if we just focus on getting staffed up hired get our processes down get our cost understood for rs1 then you know our eyes can can start to grow but before we do that before we
understand the nature of the transient log loding agreements that we've had in place as commissioner Williams has mentioned I think we're I think we're making a mistake by expanding this out to All City anything else all right I I have
something I I agree with um uh what you're saying the the premise of it absolutely um it's not our job to run this City okay Commissioners we don't run the city we create policy city manager runs
the city and he can hire and V who he wants or who he um deems necessary the number of people he deems necessary to fulfill the obligation of running the city based on the policies that we
create we've already been told by several people that oh I thought this was just rs1 and and we weren't going to do condo or anything else well back several months ago probably a year ago when we first started the the set
the fees we talked about or it was talked about to go Citywide but the decision at that time was made just to do rs1 well we know we can't do it with just one person fortunately we have someone now that though that uh that has
experience in it he knows what to do he knows he needs more people the city manager from my understanding knows we need more people I think they need to implement it we need to create policy um with what you're saying about hey we need to give them more time I think we
can incorporate giving more time um to to afford to ramp up by creating the um regulations overall rather than just Zone by Zone and come back every three or six months and add another Zone I don't think is the way to go I think we
need to do it Citywide with all the zones uh this particular item on the agenda has nothing to do with um the fees involved we haven't talk I'm not talking about that yet I agree that those fees need to be lowered so we're
not going there yet but um we could also extend the grace period if need be if that's what we need to do for the city to be able to catch up um that's my position on it is that I say we we got to we've got to jump in
the deep end and um learn to swim pretty quick but we've got a good teacher out there that already knows how to do it so that's my plan and and as I said earlier there's two different points that we're
asking our City attorney to look into uh one of them being the current grandfathered in transient properties that I think should be excluded and I think there's records of that and I once
we have the delineated I would I will request an amendment at the second reading we've discussed it tonight it's uh applicable that at a second reading that could be added in and wouldn't have to go to a
third reading is that correct correct that is correct along with the other issue the lady brought up um yes well the the title is has some um pretty
says making related changes in the code I think that it's already addressed though I think that we well I'm just asking look into it and let us know if we need to make an amendment to clarify sure okay sure so I'll I'll support it going through at the first reading and
I'm sure there'll be more emails than I can respond to as I did get this time and uh and we'll um we'll mve forward for a second
reading and I look forward to getting some information on the Amendments especially for the people that are already considered transient by I mean that are already recognized as transient by the city in the past and um
speaking to the uh commissioner julti uh speaking about the the resolution um it it just seems to me kind of odd that I know we can pass a resolution on
one reading at any meeting okay but it seems kind of odd see this seems to be tied to this ordinance that we would pass this resolution as written before the second reading of
this ordinance I agree that I would like maybe when we get to the resolution to modify it to say at this point in time that the cuz right now anybody by rs1
doesn't have to register okay I would consider the fact that if we're going to pass this ordance on the first reading and that we don't expand this resolution to the remaining remainder of the city till after we get through the
second reading of this ordinance it if it does pass but I agree with the intent of the resolution for the grace period does everybody understand what I just said I'm I'm not quite sure I do see if you read here the currently where
the city currently regulates vacation rentals located in rs1 single family zoning here and after rs1 district and is currently considering the adoption of amendment to Vacation Rental ordinance to expand the regulation of vacation rentals to include the entire city mhm
so that's currently part of this resolution so I can't pass this resolution because until these two readings of this ordinance are are codified that doesn't that sentence
doesn't apply right okay but I do believe that you know we should be able to let people that went save a lot of time with code enforcement and everything else if we allow people that grace period to come forward and I'm sorry I didn't approve it the first
go but um I was thinking of all the ones that have been getting away with it for 6 years and now they're going to get by without any kind of you know cost so so when we get to the resolution we can make that we could strike that sentence and then go with the rest of it and
still have the grace period um yes it's something that doesn't jump out you know when you're reading it is section three it's got an effective date and in ending date it says this resolution shall become in full force and effect upon
final adoption of ordinance number 169 understand understand it but what I'm saying is the ordinance for rs1 is there one or is there not one there yes that was passed many years ago oh
so give if we don't pass some kind of resolution right now if I was rs1 I could have come in last week and paid $2,500 and then when this passes I could have got away with $500 and I'm going to be asking the city
for $2,000 back and they'll say well you you paid when the fee was higher now there's a a reduction to 500 you should have waited I I could have written it so that only related to new registrations in the new
areas and I thought I heard that you wanted it all and I think you heard that right but I'm just saying that if we pass the ordinance and the resolution refers to the ordinance and the ordinance hasn't gone through a second
reading even though you did put the caveat if passes on the 21st or some date afterwards then it'll go into effect but it still doesn't give any unless we pass something modified of this resolution it doesn't give the rs1 people any relief
to the current $2,500 they have to pay to get registered if they're not registered that's true it it does not we haven't discussed that yet right but I was just because these two are tied together and my guess is no one has come to the city in the last two weeks and
given $2,500 and I'm hoping that's the case because I don't think we need to get in the process of doing refunds all right has anybody paid the 2500 Dave two week Mr Mayor I'm hear I'm hearing yes but
it's one or two okay okay so so if we pass the resolution that reduces 500 can we give these people back their $2,000 sure okay sure and I don't want that to be the last what I don't wanted that to do is propagate into a whole bunch of
other people I want people to come in and register and those people probably had to bite their lip to kick out the $2,500 because they weren't registered and they could have registered at 525 if they would have done it before that was passed so we want people to
voluntarily comply go with a reduced rate and I think the only way we can pass a resolution tonight to do that grace period is if it's only for rs1 because the entire city for ordinance 1695 has not yet passed as for a second
reading a first or a second reading okay you could you could direct the city staff direct the city manager to direct his staff to until there is a second reading of this
ordinance to continue using the old registration fees of the 525 of the 525 and then you could reimburse if y'all wanted to do that you wouldn't have to have a resolution cuz I can't write one okay I
I don't think people are going to squawk over $25 but it's a lot different than 2500 okay I've talked long enough I'm ready to vote yeah I'll say I'm I'm still very much in the let's prove we can do it I I I respect what
commissioner TTI said that we don't want to rinse and repeat a number of times but we're doing something new and I think we're doing something significant and I would be perfectly fine coming back a year from now Having learned how to do rs1 and readdress this for whole
city I I'm against whole city but so you're letting the current issues perpetuate for what you just said an entire year so people that are affected by the people that aren't following the
rules the the majority response I've got concerns is associated with S1 that is the biggest pain point and if we distribute our resources and Personnel across the entire city the rate at which that pain Point gets addressed
diminishes drastically you know on a contract a ramp rate the the chance that you're on boarding and your success rate accelerate to cover the whole city you're going to probably cut it in half you're going to cut it by a factor of 10 you're you're going to get 10% of the
return on investment of the hiring on of people by Distributing this out AC by marginalizing it and distributing it out across the city and so you will ultimately get to steady state across the whole city but you're not going to see the impact you would if you'd had
just focused and done it in rs1 but if if I can suggest I think uh maybe we should hear from the person that is going to be implementing it and see what his suggestion might be you may yeah that's that's a great that's a great metric that you're looking for an issue
um I I will say this that of the vacation rentals we know of and that's the important key key words is that we know of yeah we have got our compliance rate in the rs1 to
88% so our process I think is sound and it's effective it's just a matter of identifying all of the other ones that we don't know of so we have a process that I feel really good about um can we
expand it into the rest of the city right now we could but we don't the issue I'm going to come back to is we just don't know what we don't know yep and um the the problem the pain points I think I heard that term earlier that
we're feeling is these weekend issues uh the noise issues identifying those that are out there that we don't know of so that's where that's where we're going to that's where we need some additional help we need some more staff but I think our
process is pretty sound that's fair can question yes Dave yes sir so one of the reasons I at least want to get this through the first reading before we find out how the Amendments
play out is because it's going to be an incentive for the people that are currently in the woodwork that are unregistered to have an opportunity to come forward during a graze period for
way less than hiding out for 6 months and getting found out and then it cost them 2500 bucks which by bringing those people in early that aren't already allowed to be
transient transient rentals then then that's going to alleviate the the the drain on your resources if those if that works would that be correct um yeah I I mean I I I believe
that if if it's really carrots and sticks here is what we're talking about if the issue is getting people registered that aren't register is it going to is it reasonable to think that they're going to do it with a $500 fee or $2,500 fee I mean I
think that's pretty simple so um I think that's where that 30-day grace period can come into effect now if the commission decides to expand it to encourage more people to do that then that's I think that's sound but that's that's your decision do you have anything you want
to so I support I mean I look at it almost as like a pilot program you know we we've let the dust settle we've got a lot going on we're already talking about oh the fees are excessive can we lower them I think we need data metrics of what all the fenders are I agree it should be L registered across the board
at some point but I think in the essence of we we got a lot going on let's let we've got revenue coming in to mitigate the Staffing issue and see how that plays out in terms of nuisance calls and all the other stuff so we could adjust
fees and extend this to other zones at a future date I don't know if it's a year I don't know if it's a month but I'd like to see that data of what the I think the I think the impact is for me the principle of it
is I think we should be fair across the board I think if you're doing a vacation rental it's a vacation rental but I I don't agree with our fees so I was really hoping that the other one was going to come up first so I'd know if
the fees came down before I voted for this but at a principle I feel like we should be fair across the board everybody that does vacation rental should pay the same just like everybody that does a a bar or other business should pay the same registration fee so
that's where I think I want to be fair and I but I wish that we're voting on the pricing of it first so out of principle not looking at pricing we're going to talk about that next out of principle for me I feel
like Fair across the board we will figure out how to come up with enforcing it uh and I don't think that it's going to take that long to figure it out and and what it comes down to this is the first reading right it's not La it's not
codified until the second reading okay so not saying it didn't pass the second reading but I'd like to move it past the first reading so I'm going to support it I agree I think move it past the first and then and then we could fine-tune it if we don't agree on the on the second
reading then we can kabash it then okay but uh okay so all in favor I I uh opposed n n motion passes 32 all right lot to say on this next one item two okay this is resolution
number 20 25-3 a resolution of the city Commission of the city of Coca Beach Florida providing legislative findings amending resolution number 202 5-01 that set vacation rental fees and
fines and false advertising fines by providing for a 30-day re reduced fee time period for the payment of vacation registration fees and late fees providing that all provisions of resolution number 20
25-01 shall remain effective except is temporarily revised by this resolution in providing for severability and an effective date and an in date if if what you said was true that the city manager can direct
people somehow to be able to come in and only pay the 525 instead of the 2500 that's currently in place you you could do that you would need to vote on it right okay yes then then in in light of that I'd like to
vote on that next but in light of that I'd like to table this resolution till after we get through uh I'd like to make a motion to table the resolution till after we get through the second reading of the ordinance that we
just passed I'll second okay uh a motion and second to table do we do discussion public all right so you're saying table table the
vote resolution 20253 gets tabled until after the second reading of the ordinance uh 1695 1695 okay if it passes do we want to
have that before that reading well let's talk about that after okay I I don't care I kind of want to take care of the all right we we're voting on whether we're could even talk about it
talk um all right all in favor to table I I all opposed nay nay motion passes uh 32 a table to table all right now we need back toast what we need to vote on to be able to
give these people okay I suggest that um someone make a so let's say tell what happened right now we this motion has been brought up by commissioner Williams to table it so we don't talk about it so we're not talking about that particular resolution at this meeting it doesn't
mean you won't get to say that's all we're just not talking about we're not closing it and we're not saying it's we're not doing anything the what you voted for two weeks ago yeah well okay just stick around for a minute okay okay okay okay um what you do is is make a motion and
there I assume will'll be a second to direct the city manager to direct his staff to for the people who have come in since the 2500 or whatever the dollar amount of the registration fee for them
to get a refund of the amount over the 525 and that for an in between um before this resolution is heard again up until that time that the
fees it it would only be in the rs1 would be the old fees the 525 what about I make a motion exactly what she said you got that Karen yeah is that resolution what about the renewals it's
not it's not a did I get a second and that that would include the renewal rate would be the same as well as the as the new onboard rate I mean or like the new renewal rate will still be the three 300 whatever and the onboard rate will be the
525 so are we keeping the fees across the board the way they were on the 19th of February before we passed rs1 Chang as as far as the I mean I think that was the intent as far as the first two fees now the penalties and stuff would be
right the new and it stays in effect until this resolution yes that's what how she stated it Karen you got that I'm getting it okay so let me just let me just ask something real quick so um and we have a second second yes we had a
second uh so what let me ask this so if if we get people in the other areas that decide to register that are registering now um can't there's nothing to register to
register they're not required to register not yet because they're not required not until after ordinance 1695 passes so they can't they can't get in early by volunte but then this would go into a because because there's nothing to get in on but then this would go into
effect which allows them that greas maybe this is why we should have had a discussion on this resolution possibly we get do you guys want to go by consensus that we the resolution before we basically we recanting what we voted
on at the last meeting uh the first two fees only until after you have um passed or at least considered that next resolution so would only be until the next meeting after the vote I want to
ask consensus on maybe bringing this prior to the second reading or in 1695 yeah just need to tell her to do that in the order of the agenda okay um so we're saying that they can come in with the
525 um does does the renewal have play an effect on this the the renewal fee would be the old renewal fee until we those are the only two fees those are the only two fees I believe the top two
fees so you understand the renewal will be the same as it is right now and the onboard will be the same as it is right now and you have 30-day grace period or a grace period until we until until the next meeting until the next meeting yes
okay all right no until this passes and then this would give him an additional grace period right yes right but it it would it's all going to come up at the next meeting okay so any public comment on that that we want to make sure that
your your fees are lower um at least until the next reading okay uh go ahead orison is this public comment on this is on this not on the agenda this is on what he just talked about this is on what he
was just saying about the the keeping the fees for for now to the next reading well aren't you guys basically just creating the same problem of not having the funding coming in to pay for more staff if you don't raise these fees I mean it's kind of just sounds like
we're talking to weeks two weeks two weeks okay well I guess nothing not much changes in two weeks so I don't know this is all really uh I'm going to have to watch this over again and try figure we're not going to
not hire somebody because because we don't have M the revenue coming in all right let back and forth all right but I will say this I just say one thing about fees in general not the penalties just fees you know fees are simply just passed on to the consumer if everyone
pay all these St Str owners pay the same fee they just pass the costs on to the people who are renting these airbnbs so I work excuse me what so I work I mean I'm
in a healthcare industry so I work in the let talk please so I work in the healthcare industry that we are regulating we pay fees all the competition I have we all pay the same fees we pass those costs on to the hospital hospitals and imaging
centers that we service it's just the cost of doing business I mean I assume the electricity and water fees they pay I mean I guess they pass those along too if you guys are raising fees all the same they talk
please I mean I I don't see what the issue is so I mean anyways so thank you guess I'm a little confused but I hope you guys figure this all out cuz I guess we all be back in two weeks so see all right now when we have public comment please I
ask you just to be respectful if you do want to have your own public comment you may have your 3 minutes so does anybody else want to have public comment go ahead and please be respectful if you want to say something you will have your turn if you if you wish yeah regarding uh my name is Nancy hle and I do own a
vacation rental in um commercial property on Orlando Avenue in one of the little Cottages um regarding the fee uh the which this gentleman was just speaking about it's very competitive in
terms of the rates and really these vacational rentals we don't make a ton of money and we can't easily pass on fees to um our customers because there are a lot of people who are who are
renting at a very low rate um so I just wanted to get that clear it's just not you can't you can't just go passing on I'm going to to raise my rent by 20 $30 a night it doesn't work that way you wouldn't you would have difficulty getting
um customers so um uh fees are uh I also live in Coca Beach and uh am bothered by a vacation rental that was not registered I don't know if it's registered now um and I needed to speak with the owner and I could not I didn't
know who it was um I do think that um we do need an additional um code enforcement guy or girl definitely to protect our residential neighborhoods um I putting placing fees on the vacation
rental owners I don't think is the way to do it personally or placing additional fees um I would tend to think I don't know why we can't take it out of a portion of the prop of the the tourist tax that's paid it's just like I when I
um when I make an invest I make investments in my property I get a profit I've got to put some of that back into my property in order to keep it uh looking great and wanting people come in um and it's the same I'm going to just interject real quick and I'm sorry but I
want to try to keep on topic this is just to on the topic that we want to keep your fees lower for the I want don't have and that's how I would keep it lower I wouldn't I just want to stay on topic uh for the public comment for this item that that is how I would keep
the fees lower okay your with all due respect your comments were more likely to be heard when we do discuss this resolution on fees okay which isn't tonight that's not tonight
I'll come back yes thank you thank you okay um KP K thinker 1907 or Lane uh just a couple of comments on tonight uh you guys need to do this among yourselves because all
these propositions we're hearing tonight I see more holes than I see stuff uh you're talking about grandfathering in some that obviously nobody else knew about you're talking about uh we're trying to entice people to come in but
we're not sure if we're going to do a condo or not condos so this sounded a little unbaked to me tonight but I think one of the biggest things is why nobody understands where this is going we hear a lot of times
that the fees are to cover the work that the city has to do to register this uh put a put a spreadsheet together put say say this is what the cost is this is what we need to make to cover our cost divided by
the 800 or 900 or whatever the gray number is and you have a number the number is not 2500 I'm pretty sure on that but show the numbers so people can understand what uh what we're trying to do and how we're going to do it and a
couple of things to the people who own these properties uh I bought here a long long time ago and the first 10 years while I was renting full annually I was losing money on my my investment where is the exception or the
assumptions coming from that I can buy three units in Coco Beach and I can make money on that and if 2500 a months a year registration fee break your business you're not running a good business I do think it's important that
they're aware we don't get to talk about this outside so and that's actually what I was about to about to say is the reason why it seems like we're all over place and up in the air because of Sunshine Law we don't get to call up hey uh you know Tim what do you think about
this this is the only time that we get to discuss as a commission so that's we're bringing up our our ideas and our thoughts and our concerns now and you get to see our whole thought process because we're not allowed to do it behind doors so that we're not
collaborating you know in trying to make up something that is not fair for you know for somebody I will say on commissioner Jackson's uh behalf that he did bring numbers as to I think the
number came out to $746,000 a year that it cost the city to deal with their bnbs and broke that down into where the expenses Li and I had asked for that the meeting before that to say hey how if
because the state requires us to not make money on dealing with their uh short-term rentals we're not allowed to make any money and if they audit us and I'm sure I said this in the last
meeting if somebody anybody that has a vacation rent wanted to sue us and say give us the public records and prove to me that I'm paying you this amount of money and you're spending every bit of what everybody pays you on dealing with it in regulations and enforcement we
have to prove that and and that's what commissioner Jackson uh had put together and verbally recorded and it's in the minutes from the last meeting so I just want to clarify that we we know we have
to do the costant balance you know balance sheet okay so that will conclude the public comment oh thank you yeah and uh so we're so we're voting on um making sure that they have the
opportunity to to pay the lower fee until next uh until the other reading all right all in favor I I all opposed motion passes 5 before we ajour can we could consent ask Karen to put out a
cbnn to say that we gave that reprieve to maybe incentivize some people to go ahead and come in and register and we're refunding the if anybody PID Dave you're going to tell those two people they're getting a refund right yeah we don't need to put that in
cbnn he's Mak did we also request that the order of the agenda okay okay and then did you guys want to go by consensus to bring this up before the second reading of 1695 at the next she's got
it on she's so are we are we going to vote on the on the fees first or we going to vote on the on the addition first next time then I think fees is what we wanted to talk about first okay all right any general public comment uh
items that uh we didn't uh discuss or all right we're journ