I'm calling All right. Um, new business. City attorney. We'll review and discuss select candidates for interview for the city manager position. Okay. Um, yes. Let me get this started
by saying that um, under the Florida Sunshine law, we are going to need to start from the full, I believe it was 49 candidates. Um, y'all have received the information about each of them and we
have gotten recommendations from our consultant with regard to I believe eight of them. But in no way does that eliminate the other of the 49 from consideration for tonight. So your first
item of business with regard to this would need to be and it could include people on the recommended on the recommended list and others that were not. Whatever suits you. Um, I suggest
that you go through and each of you say the people you know you think would be appropriate to interview. Um, I'd just like to say that uh Collins online who's our our search firm head
and he also gave us some suggestions on how to go about this process. uh he asked us to um eventually after we speak about candidates fill out a straw poll. We can
add names if we choose to and we we pick uh select potential candidates for interviews. Then those end up being tallied. And Karen, are you doing that on the screen? Okay. So that'll get
public will see who picked who and then the one with the the top either the top four or the top five depending on how the scores come out would be the ones that we uh bring in for interviews and that would be at the end of the month on
the I think 28th 29th is time frame. So, just to kind of let everybody know the big picture of what's going on. And then after those interviews, we'll reconvene for a public meeting and we'll as the
commission interview the finalists and the public will get a chance to ask questions also and we'll have an opportunity that meeting to make a selection or we could defer to the following commission meeting to make a selection. Did I get that right, Colin?
you're on mute. Uh, yes, you did. You did. Okay. So, I I guess while I'm already talking, I'll go first. Um, I reviewed the resumes of all 49 candidates. I a um reviewed the additional
information that was provided by the search firm for the um candidates that they recommended and I made selections based on that. Are we supposed to divulge those or just Karen just put them on the straw poll
and give them to you and you figure it out? that might do it and then it'll show up then it'll show up as public record on the screen and then if there are any from the that were not on the preprinted list you can add them. I said that when I said we
could. So, I mean, is there if you have some a reason why you chose somebody or didn't chose choose somebody. I mean, is there would you want to be at liberty of say why you chose or didn't choose them?
Well, I think we'll have that discussion. What I think we do we pick our we do the straw poll five choices and then and if we're skewed off then we whoever chose whatever can say why they chose that one and why they didn't choose
another one. Commissioner Williams, is it correct that the eight that were recommended by the by the firm are the ones that if selected and then in the first 6 months for some reason cannot
fulfill the position are essentially warrantied by the firm that they will rerun within the cost that we've already paid a new selection. Is that correct? Colin, please answer the question. Uh uh that's partially correct. It's
actually within the first year. Okay. But it's only I think his question was it's only from the eight candidates that you recommended and did the in-depth research on. That is correct. just the eight
candidates uh and they those fall under our warranty and that would still be at a cost but at uh what the actual cost is for you to do those um the research.
That that's correct. All right. So, let's fill out our sheets and give them to Karen and let her tally it up. and they'll show up on the spreadsheet in alphabetical order. So there the one on the top doesn't have any more oomph
than the person at the bottom. Are we just putting a check mark by him or Yeah, we're to select Oh. Yes. Okay. Thank you. And check which commissioner you are. These will be public record.
[Applause] And just while she's tallying that up, um, give you a little history, uh, Tim and I have been here through multiple, uh, city manager selections. I've been
here for every one since 2007. You were part of how many? But prior to that, you're you were here for Mcnite, you were here for MLmore, and you were here for Jim uh Bob Micah. No, M came on just before I got
Okay. Okay. So, previous to those that were mentioned, not necessarily in that order, um Chuck Bill was the city manager and um we went through a selection process
and when it came down to the final votes after the interviews, there wasn't agreement on the top choice. Okay? And there was agreement on everybody's number two choice. So, we opted to go
ahead and pick the number two person because there was more agreement for the number two person than there was for the mix on the number one. In hindsight, that was probably a mistake. Yes. Um uh we ended up and it was done by this
the same search firm and uh we ended up with the city manager that interviewed well but in the job wasn't really keeping up. I think there's a legal question.
Okay. Anyway, we he when he was released, it was public record. He resigned. It was without cause. He resigned. He resigned and there was no cause brought and I didn't give I guess we did, but you could figure out which one it was if you want to.
Where where are we going with this? Well, let me I'm trying to tell I'm trying to tell you something. Giving Karen time to Yeah. So, so then we picked then we went through the process with the same firm and we got Bob Micah on a
unanimous vote by the commission and he turned out to be a great city manager after that and he was from a coastal city up in the panhandle out toward Pensacola. Um, and then we got Jim Mcnite, uh, long-term,
uh, here in in Bvard County, and he got a unanimous vote, and he was long-term and, uh, excellent city manager. The last search we did before this, we didn't use Colin Basinger's firm. We
used a group of city management association people to do the search and background checks for us. And we got we did have some disagreement on the final votes to select that person and that
person ended up resigning also. So, what I'm getting at is I think whenever we get to the final thing after the interviews, we need to be able to come to a a pretty solid consensus
because if you select somebody on a 3-2 vote, they're probably going to not take the job because they know all they got to do is lose one commissioner and they're out of a job. So, it's very important that we do our
due diligence and go through this process and find someone that we can come to consensus on. and another option. Um, should we not be able to come to a consensus and should
we end up with like a 3-2 selection that may not go well or that candidate may back out because he's only lose one vote and he's gone. Then we go to a second choice, they negotiate with them, they may feel the same way. Another option,
if we got to that point, would be to ask our current acting city manager to stay a couple more years and develop one of our directorate level employees to be a future city manager.
That's a lot of hypotheticals. Skip. That's a lot of hypotheticals. That's I think you covered it all. I I plan to. Awesome. Awesome. All I'm done. Not done yet. All right, Joshua, do you have anything to add to this? Uh,
I I like Skip's conversation. I like Skip's I I like you a lot, AJ. Well, and I and I honestly I look through all these things and I'm just trying to say
just out out the gate, I think AJ I think AJ understands Cocoa Beach when we went a given. And uh I've talked with AJ and AJ seems to be interested in in sticking around for a little bit.
Oh my goodness. Well, I'm just undermining this whole situation. No, I'm not. I'm just saying like I've seen I've seen what we've got here. If we don't if we don't come to consensus on a candidate that after the interviews is turns out to be a diamond in the
rough. I think we're talking too much and we should just have a recess until Karen um gets the numbers, shows the numbers and then we She's got them. I just want to clarify. How many are you wanting? Five or six? Five. I thought we were doing six. Five.
That's only picked five, but the finalist I would say four. You look at this sheet. It says up to five. I would say four. I did. I got correct. I got to add one. I got to add one here. Oh, you got to take one away. Take one away. I mean,
h nine. How did you do that? Hey, man. Um, the instructions are pretty pretty clear, Mr. Mayor. You didn't read all the stuff. Yeah, I did. I did. I I agree.
Okay, there we go. Thank you. Fortunately, this will be the last time I have to do this. So, it takes eight months for the processor. The guy only had the last four months that went over there
or girl. [Music] is as close as I can get. So, we have Michael Hind, Taylor Brown, Michael Matlin
and Nathan Summers. So, real real quick, um, can I ask the reason about Mark Taylor? In my initial thought, I was actually I was actually
not excited about it after reading some news articles and and stuff. Then I started diving deeper into what what it was all about and um just watched some actually YouTube videos on there's a lot of press
on them. Um because he got removed it seemed like for um opposing books about beastiality and adult content in uh removing them from the libraries in the schools.
Mayor Mayor, I don't think you need to go into the details. You only got one vote. Um I know. I was just I was just wondering if if that was a factor because of the headlines. I did. I weighed all the candidates and as we were in our instructions from the
firm Colin, we were to um go through all the press stuff with a very light touch because the press is what press is and they like to sensationalize things and you don't
the other the person doesn't always get a chance in the press or in the social media to correct the record. So, I didn't uh I I based it more on the references that were available.
Okay. And the the social media post that as well. All right. The number went. Yeah. So, we've got basically we have five. Mhm. Do we need to make a motion on on Okay. I mean, I guess there's pretty much a consensus here.
That's it. So, the note, you guys don't want to have any discussion on it. Just um I think we should have right now, just for the record, uh who's going to I'll read it because Karen's not at a mic. Um we have Taylor Brown got four
votes. Michael Hen got five votes. Uh, Michael Mloffen Lynn Glin got four votes and Susan Sherman got four votes and Nate Summers got four votes and the next closest was a one or
a zero. So, um, we'll go with those. Uh, one, two, three, four, five candidates for our interviews. And um Colin, you're going to make the notifications to the candidates.
Uh I will I will call them directly. Okay, Colin. Our only other order business here besides public comments is to agree on the one- on-one interview uh schedule on the 29th. Everybody
understands that you need to be here. It starts at 8:45. Coffee, tea, Danish, and fruit. Everybody going to be able to attend that day? What's the date? 29th, you said. 29th. So, Saturday of Labor Day weekend? Friday.
Friday. Friday of Labor Day weekend. Um, starting at what time? 8:45 a.m. Thursday night as well at 5:30. Thursday at 5:30, Friday all day. Right. Right. If I could do Thursday, it' be better
for me. But Thursdays, they come into town and we only want them to have to stay one night. So, they come into town on the 28th and we're saying if they're here by 1:00, they get to go for the tour of the city. They have a reception with the
staff at 3:30. At 5:00, they have some free time. I guess they could go freshen up. And then from 5:30 to 7 o'clock, we have a reception here in the in the community room with uh us, the community
and the commission and or the commission. Building or are we going to do it the at the country club? We would probably we in the past we've done it at the country club. I know we have a we didn't have a we didn't have a place. Yeah. But it's also still a I'm just
saying I would suggest we do it at the country club. I go here. Well, all right. Why don't we if we're doing like a meet and greet, is that all right? We're going to have another meeting between now and then. Yeah. So, why don't we let staff give us the pluses and minuses on the 21st as to
whether we should have it here or whether we should have it down at the country club cuz we don't know what's booked and what's not booked at the country club right now. Well, staff is here for the country club. I think
I mean there's nothing wrong with there's nothing wrong with waiting a couple days. Yeah, we'll wait. We'll let Absolutely. Absolutely. That's probably a better environment. Okay. I'm okay either way. I can go either way. All right. So, we're set for the they show up on the 28th and we do
Friday the 29th and that lets them who be free um after the at 4:00 we could potentially meet to make our selection on the 29th. Have we officially made a decision with a motion? Do we need a motion and a
I'm just finishing the the business at hand that we need to divulge and have Colin know what's going on so he can tell the candidates. Okay. Okay. So, um and then those candidates because it's Labor Day weekend, they could go
home Friday night. They'll still have Saturday, Sunday, and Monday to do whatever they would have done for Labor Day weekend. So, I'll go ahead and make the motion that the finalists for the interviews be
Whoops, I lost it. I think it was Taylor Brown, Mike Hen, Mike McGlin, Susan Sherman, and Nate Summers. Second. Got it. Second. All right. Got a motion and a second.
Any com? Yeah. Any public comment about this or the process? Okay. All in favor? I. All opposed. Motion passes 50.
Time in uh I guess so the 29th. All right. Um we are journ next meeting is uh seven minutes in seven eight minutes. Eight. year 25 annual budget that budget
totaled 123 million across all funds. The fiscal year 26 proposed annual budget is 105 million reducing the overall budget by almost $18 million. Okay, as stated before, the proposed
millage rate of six even was set at the July 17th commission meeting. This is a 0.65 difference from the roll back rate for information. It will be advertised as a tax increase.
Correct. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Yes, it's an increase of about 122,000. Just trying to stay consistent over all my years. We appreciate it. [Music]
Charge any tax. Okay. On this slide, we have a consolidated summary of all funds. It shows both revenues and expenses. For the purpose of budget, generally we project the revenues conservatively.
Some of highlights of this overview. Um, under business taxes and permits, you'll see an increase in revenue that we've projected related to the new regulations of STRs and BTRs
for charges for services. Um recently quite a few fees were revised and we've increased that based upon or we've increased our projections based upon those increased fees. Can you um tell us why the fines and forures took such a big drop? Is that because of
the foreure of that property last year? I believe so. But I could follow up to confirm a property that was a we ended up tearing down and it went into litigation and and then it finally reverted to us
and then got sold which would have been an increase based on the forfeiture that's it once. Well, I'm just saying in 23 it was 49,000. 24 was 77.
25 it was 261 and then now it's projected to be 89. So what happened? So I just thought get that clarified. So you can bring it back to us at if if Devon doesn't find it while you're talking.
Yeah. Somewhere there's money in there. Now whether that's the reflection of it, I'm not sure because we collected it. [Music] Otherwise, I think everything looks pretty much in line with, you know, the current fla inflation rates as far as
revenue goes. And then again with the expenditures. Yeah. On the expenditure side for personnel services, the total um that we budgeted for fiscal year 26 across all funds again, it's 26.6 6 million 51% of
the budget is for personal services, personal safety services for public safety items for the core services, police, fire, EMS, communications, um the beach rangers. 8% of that personal services budget is for public works and
10 is for um rates and salary of the utility fund. So I just wanted to give a little breakout of how that 26.6 is distributed. So, um based on the police and fire um contracts, they have already
basically a set uh rate pay increase for 2026 that's already folded in. Is that correct? So, union negotiations haven't commenced yet at this time. Right now, they've only reached agreements with Lyuna. Projected increases based off of what the city could afford within the budget
for this year. And after the union negotiations commence, we'll make adjustments through a budget amendment if need be. So, um, so what was your uh your the number that you used for the general
employees? It was 4%. A 4% increase in January. Okay. I believe the Luna negotiation, that one will be brought to the commission on Thursday at the regular meeting. And that percentage was 4%. 4%. Yes, sir.
But there's non non-union employees also in the city that would you projected would get the same 4%. Correct. For cola. Okay. Just clarifying that. Yeah, absolutely. You said any of the employees didn't know. I think it's
fairly good increase. Happy surprise. Um for I never get that just me too. We're going to go back to your question. Um Commissioner Williams for fines and
forfeitures. Devon found some stuff. Yes. Sorry, I got the big book here. Um, so for our fines and forfeitures, so all that that gets wrapped into that number is our court fines for PD, our police education. Um, it's a mixture of civil
citations from PD, from development services, from fire. So these are all of like the fines and ticket citations that get written, all the violations, all the civil court notices, ordinances, stuff like that that all make up that number. It's all in the breakdown of the revenue under fines and forfeitures in your
Naval line reports, but that's what makes up that number. [Music] Right. No. Yeah. I'm just saying if it if we got in if what you said is true and it's
just fines and stuff and it's 261 for 2025, we've either we've been writing a lot of tickets or doing a lot of fines and code violations and whatever. But why would you project it only to be 89,000 next year because everybody's
like got the message and nobody's speeding anymore and No, I would say essentially it's to be more conservative. So for a lot of those revenue account numbers the departments do budget within those. But for example the year-end estimate is exactly what it looks. It's estimated I would say based on the types of citations going after
the Airbnb properties. That's kind of what escalated at this. But for next year they anticipate everybody to be following the rules. So maybe not as many citations will be written. So it is a more of a conservative approach in case they don't meet that number. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I was just wondering
there was a time when that property came into the books and I couldn't remember if it was last year or not. Real quick, I mean that that's a very interesting number of you know basically almost 200,000 more from one year to the
next. Um that's that's just Airbnb fines. No, that's courts and all things that were listed out. The other thing we found from past JITS is that um previous administration were overstating some of the revenues in their past budgets. The actuals come in at the point of time of
audit which is then recorded in what's the 23 actuals the 24 actuals since those audits have commenced. Um but when we were comparing what the budgeted values were against what the actuals were, there was a drastic difference. That's one of my thoughts when I'm
looking at the estimated revenues for 2025. is just because you know I think there was a from looking through how things were done before there was overstating of revenues to expend but it wasn't
proportionate or correct. Um I want to point out on this slide also while we're here the reserve balance. So right now the reserve balance across all funds is 16.2 million. Um it's drastically decreased due to the large city projects that were
completed without bond issuance or assuming additional debt. Um my goal in the next few years is to present conservative budgets, seek additional revenue streams, diversify those streams and to increase these reserves to get to
a healthy balance again. So your estimate for how many months of operating expenses that 16,000 16 million would cover is how many months? [Music]
About two and a half to three months in an emergency situation. We have that ordinance. I believe it's I have on the next slide discuss it. The best practice is 3 months. So we're not that far off with the 16 million.
No, we aren't, but it's drastically lower than where we were if you look at the 24 actuals of 34 million. Yeah. So, I think just to get back and restore balances and to also meet the needs of the ordinances in place to have funds set aside for future capital projects
along with having funds set aside for emergency situations is important for the city's overall fund health balance. We use quite a bit of that 24 reserves for where we're sitting right now. Correct. Well, you're not sitting. But
um I I have to say maybe I miss this because I was looking at some numbers, but was there any some conversation about the intergovernmental increase? Um the intergovernmental increase is approximately $18 million,
which is literally the uh the $170,000 we're talking about in fines. And I'll wait until you guys are done cuz I'd really like you all to hear what I have to say. But Skip's playing his music. So, okay, go ahead. Is your phone going off or?
I have a sensor in my boat and it tells me temp, humidity, and if the boat's sinking. What about your blood pressure? Does it have my blood pressure? Cuz it's probably going off right now. Just hit the button when it starts making noise. So, it'll it sounds So, we were talking about fines and forfeitures for some reason for $170,000.
Yet the intergovernment intergovernmental increase was 18.4 million which is literally a hundred times more than 100 times that loss. So what happened there?
Some of those um those revenues are related to grants. The timing that grants come in. Sometimes we could request reimbursement. It doesn't mean that it's going to come in within that same fiscal year that it was budgeted. So a lot of those are just timing of situations and things of that nature. Those are a lot of grants because, you
know, in 24 we had 9 9.6 million intergovernmental. 23 million is is huge. Um, and I know we do have a new grant writer. I'm glad to hear that um because that's huge because our previous grant writer uh generated tens of
millions of dollars uh for the city and um unfortunately he's no longer here. Um, so, uh, $18 million is is big and I agree with you with our reserves. Uh, even going lower to 16 million, um, is
not good. Um, the, uh, payback, everybody talks about FEMA. Oh, FEMA is going to pay us back, but FEMA doesn't pay the city back for sometimes five to eight years. And um, it's hard to recover from that.
So if we do get hit by a hurricane, um we're going to be cutting it close. Absolutely. So is that intergovernmental? Is is that some of that due to that that capping project or is that um No, the on project was not included in
the fiscal year 26 budget because the grant portion was not fully it wasn't fully funding that project. there was going to be uh around a 12 million expense from the city side and after further evaluation and meeting with some
of the granting agencies it didn't make sense for the city as a whole. [Music] Just to touch on your question, uh, mayor, the intergovernmental, so since this is across all funds, you have your federal grants, you have your state grants, you have your local unit grants, you have your county grants. So just
picture there are multiple grants in those comments in those navline reports across all funds from general fund all the way to storm water. So that big bulk total, the difference you're seeing is across all funds. So could we say that previously those grants weren't found in that column?
Yes. Yes. In the previous in the previous administration that ran the finances, they didn't put those numbers in to that particular inner governmental column. I would say that I would I would say like Hannah said, it's a mixture of timing. Some of these grants are new.
Some of these are from the previous year that weren't submitted for reimbursement that were rebudgeting in order to properly allocate those funds that are going to be used for the year. But it's a mixture of both. Okay. I'll just we'll just leave it at that because it's a significant amount
more every year. You would think that would have you'd have the same situation where there'd be a backlog of grants coming coming in. Um and some of the the 23 million is more than we've had in the last looks like probably I would guess three or four years. State revolving funds.
Yeah. Those state revolving fund loans would also be recorded under that intergovernmental amount and that would also cover of course projects that are budgeted in utilities, storm water, any of the um all funds all city funds. [Music]
Um question I don't know exactly who to ask. I'll start with AJ. Um do we have Crowder Gulf on the hook this hurricane season? Should we have a storm? We do. Okay. Do we have that budgeted in the
2026 budget? Yes, we do. So, for anybody listening and anybody in the room doesn't know, um when a storm comes through, there's more uh storm debris than Waste Management
can handle per their normal contract. Therefore, um if you didn't have a contract in place with the company to come in and take care of that nearly immediately,
um it does take some time because they bring in a FEMA inspector that follows the trucks around and estimates the size of the piles and the weight and they weigh the trucks when they go to the drop empty them. It takes a while, but it's a lot quicker than if you had
nobody on the hook. So, we have a predetermined contract with Crowder Golf to do that. Last year, we had a little blow with Milton. Um, we had quite a bit of debris. Um, but Crowder Golf, you know, asked to bow out gracefully
because they were tied up with all the real damage that Milton did in the upper end of the state and and up into the other states. So Waste Management stepped up at an additional fee, but it wasn't higher than the Crowder Gulf costs and was able to clean up the city
pretty fast. So that's that's what happened last year, but I'm glad to hear that it is budgeted for this year and it's currently budgeted and I'd like for it to stay in the budget for next year. Sure. Um, did you guys have any other questions on
the consolidated overview of all funds? I'm all right. Okay. I like that the debt service is going down. Yes. Um so the next few slides give a summarization of the revenues and expenses broken out to each fund. The
budget for general fund makes up about 55% of the total annual budget. The reserve balance for general fund is 11.3 million. This meets the reserve policy of ordinance 1681
based upon the calculation within that ordinance. The minimal reserves to meet the needs of the requirements of the ordinance is 10.2 million. So we are meeting the ordinance with a little residual cushion but again it's not
a healthy reserve balance to where it should be. What's the difference between this? I see a lot of the same numbers on the general fund. Okay. It's really at the bottom under um Okay, I see it's just broke. This is the second from the last number. Okay. This is your middle.
Got it. Okay. Next, we have the community redevelopment fund. The 125. The CRA reserve balance is currently 1.7 million, which is a healthy balance. And that 1.789
[Music] um that money when the CRA sunsets is our money and we'll keep that in the reserve fund for um either other things
we mostly to do any major maintenance and regular maintenance that needs to be done on the parking garage. Is that correct? Correct. Yes. So that's a good thing that we will have that money because we know everybody knows about rebar spalling
and then you get unsafe conditions. We know elevators break, you know, so we'll have some money and that should continue to uh hopefully grow between now and when we sunset the CRA. Absolutely. Um
Hannah that on the aids and real quick on the grants and aids that's the approved funds that have rolled forward that haven't been awarded yet the 340k I'm assuming that's the the facade grant. So that's not necessarily been awarded but that's everything that's been committed in years past. Okay.
I just want to put on your guys radar too. I am looking to to use some of the CRA funds to to uh revitalize uh provoke from Minute Man to to Fourth Street uh north. So, just keep that guys on your radar. I'm working with the staff to try to put some together.
Love to see a ROM. Okay. On to the building permit fund, uh, fund number 136. With this fund, you'll see that with the commission's revision to the short-term rentals, um you'll see a correlating increase to revenue for charges of
services with an increase to personnel services with the one approved full-time employee that was added. The reserves for the 136 fund are projected to increase to 923,000, which is a healthy balance for that
fund. Okay. Okay. Moving forward to the capital improvement fund or the 310. Uh this fund was established in 2020 to separately account for the construction of the police department. After construction was completed, it should
have been closed. Instead, it was used incorrectly. Um there are several factors which led to that negative 6.8 million figure shown. The current fiscal year 25 budget included construction of the new city hall complex along with bsentennial
park. Um the revenues budgeted in fiscal year 25 were for grants related to bsentennial park but as explained earlier sometimes the timing in the grants of which they're received it delays the revenue from coming in which was a part of what happened because to
date those grant proceeds haven't been received. Um, additionally, what I found with this fund is that under revenue, there were transfers completed to support the intended expenses. It's not what I would consider a best practice or recommend
doing. Um, to maintain all a healthy fund, there has to be revenues to sustain the budget expenditures, which is what didn't occur in this case. uh if the city had assumed debt for these projects, it would have been recorded as incoming revenue to support the dated
expenses. So, how are you digging this out of this hole? Well, I would like to close this fund. We're going to bring forth a resolution um in the upcoming September meeting to close the fund. It has to be closed the same way that it is opened. The negative
6.8 million has to be absorbed into the general fund. So, we're going to have to do some internal paperwork to transfer that amount back over and that'll be part of the process and clean it. So, I wanted to make you all aware of it beforehand. So, when the resolution
comes forth in September, it's been counted that it counted for that in your overall budget slide that you put up at the beginning. No, not the transfer. So, transfer $6.8 million head is in the all up front.
Yes. In theole. Yes. It's transparent. Yeah, it's in the overall. You're saying this is where it came from. Yes, the overall is still at the 16 million for the reserves. Got it. So, Han, just walk us through real quick cuz I know we had pushed through an initiative called the what I call the
end fund. That's not this, right? That's a line item in the general fund. This is the endeavor fund. However, um it can still be accommodated as under public works there there's a division um 3170 for capital improvements and we can
add a line item there similar to how it currently is under the 310 referencing the ordinance and then each year carry forwarding those funds so they can accumulate um as stated within the ordinance. Right now that balance is zero. Correct. Yeah, correct. I think that's what we wanted. Yeah, we
wanted that and we wanted to only to be approved by by use of commission approved only. And I think it's just accounting mechanics to make that a line item in a different plan, but it'll be Yeah, I'm okay with I mean, whatever we're going to do to make this right, that's just it's just as long as we we
still are trying to do the original intent. Yeah. The the fund itself as it is, it can't sustain itself, but the ordinance can be met through division 3170. So we can add a line item referencing ordinance 1687 and it can be accommodated over there.
Okay. Okay. Um for the utility system fund fund 431 we have a total of 33.5 million budgeted. This includes 17 million in capital outlay for various projects. Um, going forward into the slideshow, we're going
to discuss uh the CIP summaries individually that give a breakout of what projects are included in that amount. Can you go back? Sure. So when you're showing that capital outlay at 17 million plus and then you
there's a reduction in the reserves of about 20 2.7 million that 2.7 million went into that capital outlay. Is that correct? The reserves were reduced by 2.7
million. So, I'm thinking that that 2.7 million went up to cover part of that 17.893 million in capital outlays. Where is that the 2.7 million figure? No, that's the difference between the
2025 estimated of 8,758 and the 2026 reserve balance of 6,000. Yes. So it's exactly how you're thinking. So as capital as the expenditures increase, his reserves went down. So yeah, exactly what you're saying.
But it did I mean the capital outlays went up 10 million, but we only had to take 2.7 out of the reserves. So that's not that's not terrible. Yes. Because of his his revenue balance it out basically. Okay. Thank you. [Music]
Any other questions on the utility fund? Okay. Stormwater fund, uh, fund number 441. There's currently 7.4 million budgeted to include 5.2 towards capital outlay.
The reserves are currently 734,000. Um, however, with the increase of rates and grants, the amount will continue to rise for the reserves. And again, the personnel service estimated in the 26 budget uh number
reflects the plan uh pay increases for those personnel services. Correct. Okay. We're accounting for that across the board. Mhm. Absolutely. Good. Got to keep our employees. Okay. For the healthcare internal service fund summary, this fund, it was
established in 2024. It's our newest fund. It was created to internally track the health care service cost to current and separated employees. It's kind of an in-n-out fund because we bill for the um co-respiration those
services and then that also is the expense. So generally this is just how it is basically. Correct. Okay. So now moving on to the five-year capital improvement plan projections. The next several slides include summaries based upon the department request. Um, city staff is here to
answer any project specific questions you may have as it pertains to their department. Starting off on this slide, we have it and the city clerk with their request. If you have any questions, please let us know.
[Applause] So on the it looks like the server, we had a discussion on that. Is that moving to city hall? I saw a line item in the fire station to rebuild that server room. Is that redundant or is that all moving to city hall or it's all moving to city hall and we're
getting new state-of-the-art equipment to replace our aging equipment? Yeah. So, we we do need to replace the equipment. Currently, our data center is housed in the fire station, but since we have a new building, we'd like to move that stuff here. So, we do need to replace the equipment, but while we are
replacing it, we're not going to put it back in the fire station. We're going to place it here. And they and they I asked you this question earlier to just say it for the public that the infrastructure to change that connectivity from going
to the fire department to bring it in into the server room in this building is already here. We're not going to have to major mod to this building to put in conduits and all that stuff. It's already there. Yes, sir. It's there already. It was planned ahead of time. No, I was just asking is there was a
server rebuild cost under fire. I didn't That sounds like that's the sunset and to move it over here. I'm I'm sorry. What was that say? There's a line item under fire and it says rebuild the server room for 15k. I think they're going to use it for a separate purpose. We'll ask Justin when he gets back.
Okay. Yeah, that might be a project under Got it. Yeah. Okay, next we have the police CIP. [Music] [Music] [Music] Do you guys have any questions on any of their requests? It just looks like we're
phasing out the 800 MHz portable radios and moving to an XG 75M mobile radio instead. That correct? Yes. No, that's correct. I was just for Commissioner Hutcherson's question. So that um server rebuild you saw for 51,
it's not actually the server rebuild. It's just the AC unit. It was just labeled differently. to answer that. She definitely answered it. She She said I answered that question for you. She said I She said I answered it
myself. No, we're not uh we're not phasing them out. We're just not buying anymore. We don't see a need to go year over year with them. We have enough. So, we're not, you know, buying them just to buy them. What about Are you going to need new batteries? The batteries we're all set on right
now. There's no need to buy them right now. Okay. So why why do we need these new 75mm mobile radios? So the mobiles we do need, Steve, correct? Correct. Yeah, because we have to have those four new cars as as they come through. Okay. Yep.
Okay. Cars are the Hannah, are the cars on another page? Yes, they are. Okay, that's not in my budget. So anything else in your budget? That's good. Anything else for me? Okay, thanks.
All the vehicles are budgeted out of fleet and then we have them itemized by departments. So I'll have that on a separate slide. The next one we have is fire. What is the commit on the one point on the the outyear for the firetruck? Do we owe anything or is that just signing a
contract and that will be incurred then? M at this time we don't owe anything. The contract hasn't been signed signed yet committing us to this purchase. That contract would have to be brought forth to the commission for you guys to agree to it prior to the purchase being made. But the buildout usually takes about 3
years. So Justin would bring that to you guys for approval before proceeding with the order. So there's no money impact this year. It's just sign contract. It's just the contract and committing those funds to 29 if the contract is signed. Are you uh once you sign the contract, is there is
there like pull out clause or is it you're obligated? You're pretty much obligated. I'm not sure, but I I do believe it's just a it's a earnest obligation where you have to proceed with the purchase because from what I understand with all the buildouts for the trucks, it's all
specific to what they're ordering. So, it can't go to another customer or user. it's going to go to the fire department based on the specifications of the order. If I remember correctly, I think chief said that there are folks that actually buy those spots and we'll sell them. And
so potentially if we did get to that point and didn't have use of it, we could probably sell it for a profit. Okay. Is that a replacement or is that a It's for a replacement um for another engine that is being decommissioned because of age. And from what I understand in the past, the way it's
been explained is yes, Commissioner Jackson, you're correct. Because when you lock in um by contract to fiscal year 29, you're generally locking in at a lower rate than what the value is at fiscal year 29. So if it came to a point for whatever reason, if that was not needed, the city could turn around, sell
it, and make a profit. Yes. But in this case, because it's replacing um an aging truck, it would be a necessity. Yeah. And and I don't think we look at it as an asset, but it I don't think it's a liability in terms of if we decided not to to use it, if we found
for some reason we didn't have you have to find somebody who wants those exact same specifications, they don't start building. Yeah. We don't lock in the specs until we get to that point. But to to the finance director's point, I I I think we're going to need it. I don't think this is an opportunity, but I don't
think it's a liability. I think it's a smart decision. Put an order for two and flip them. Can't we don't have the money for paint anything though, right? Well, you will eventually you don't want to destroy your credibility by doing something like
that. Yeah, I I Yeah, I don't think we're I don't think we're getting in a bad spot with making the advanced decisionable 100,000 miles. All right, the next few slides. Commissioner, you're advocating for a Ferrari uh firet truck. I am not
advocating for uh that at all. You're making me financially nervous here. I don't know what that costs, but I imagine it's more than 1.29 million. So, Oh, no. No. As as long as it's red, I think it's fine. It's black. I think it's black. It meets the state statutes. Oh, yeah. This is really I think so. We're good.
There's lights. We were talking about buying a vehicle for an investment. I make money in all my vehicles. Oh, there you go. All right. Okay. So, the next few slides cover the divisions housed within public works. Um, starting off with 3110 for field
operations. That's what is on your screen. Can you um tell us we're planning on spending $787,000 on minute man shoreline erosion.
Um, so that's not a round number. So, it sounds like there's something to that. So, what are we planning on doing in 26 and what's the follow on work in 27? And is there any potential for any grant money to cover any of that?
Those were engineers estimates. That's why we inputed those numbers. Um, and we are seeking grants for that. And this this project is to protect our utilities going down Minute Man to the treatment plant because can can you um maybe bring us a little 5
10 minute presentation on what that you know if he did an engineering estimate he must have thought well I need to do this I need to do that. I need to do this. I need to do that and kind of show us what his envisionment of that work is for Minute Man Causeway because you know
people care about Minute Man Causeway. We can do that if you want to. Was our head nod from the right. This was rebudgeted, right? We've already approved the scope. It was just rebudgeted from prior years. Yeah, but we haven't seen what you're going to do. This year we did engineering and design.
Those are construction costs. Estimated construction costs. So we're we're half baked with this. We're in permitting right now. Well, this is exactly what we you know uh one of our first meetings of the year, we designated quite a bit of Minutemen potentially to be a park, right?
And if we can get grant money for a park, right, to uh shore up the shoreline, um that would be the way to go. And I that I knew that was the direction you were going, right? But we need to have discussion more discussion down the road about um about
that as well. So yeah, I just happen it'll all it'll all come together. I just like an update on what I agree with what we're planning on doing in 2026 and what are we taking out? What are we adding? What's it going to look like for the public? Okay. Got good opportunity with a fine grant
with that since it's on the water line. Yep. It's not a navigable waterway. It doesn't have much of a chance. Doesn't anything to do with access to the water. Yeah. I think this is the the stubbins the canal though. It's not shallow part. I think it is the whole thing.
It just has to do with access to the water. Okay. The next slide is um building maintenance division 3140. [Music] Makes sense to me. Okay. Yeah, Deon, that's the 15K right there.
I was talking about training room server prebuild. Got it. Okay. Next we have grounds maintenance 3150 good with it. Um [Music] state road 520 medians
I I really I think we need we need a lot more help than 35,000 honestly. Uh that that's the gateway to our city and it's it's pretty bad when uh Cocoa Beach looks worse than than uh Coco. I think these are just the ones on our side of
the river. Still, we we need to take care of them and they're they're they're they're not they're not up to standard in my opinion. I'd like to see I'd like to see 100,000 towards those. Honestly,
state road meeting it it I don't care whose road it is. It's in our city and it looks terrible. It's an outline year. So, what you guys are are being briefed on is just fiscal year 26. That's going to go into effect in the budget. The outlying years are
just a plan for the future, but those figures could be changed in time. So, when we get to fiscal year 27, we can have discussions and add additional funds at your request. Very well. I'd like to I'd like to have it I'd like to have it for this year, honestly. That the sooner the better. I don't like
kicking this can down the road. I've been trying to fight for this since since I got into office. Like that's that's the first thing you see when you get into Cocoa Beach. It should be it should be like wow look at this nice city. Not like they can't even put rocks in their medians.
Um something else. Why don't Why don't we let them This is our workshop. I think we need to make it a priority. Yeah, I agree. So one go back when you're done with this on the last page. Okay. I just want to say that the budget process, these numbers we're seeing
tonight, unfortunately, aren't going to be the exact same numbers we see the next goround. So, I think Hannah heard your your remarks and I think she looked like she might see some consensus up here. We got a consensus, right? So, so let's
let's let let's let her come back with what she might be able to carve out to put into that for 2026 instead of giving her a number and making her cut something else that's we don't even know if it's more critical or less critical.
Beautifification is not as critical to running the city as a lot of other things. So, let's just give her a chance to work on it. I think that's your point though was to highlight the the priority of it is Yeah. I'm trying to tell you guys that I want it to be a priority and I think you understand that and hopefully we can try
that. I understand exactly what you're saying and um that may change. They may die a few plants or you know do a little excavating and and make a few changes. Uh but the but that's short term. Yeah,
that's really short term because as soon as you stop maintaining it, it's over. That's within 3 months. 3 months you got weeds and everything else, everything happening. it's just a waste of money. So, there's got to be a plan if if that's your high priority. I mean, and
and it should be for all of us. That's like that is the gateway to to you know, into Cocoa Beach, right? For probably 60% of the folks that come to Cocoa Beach when you see that maybe maybe more maybe even more. So, um, yeah, if we have a
that reflect that needs to be brought as agenda, that needs to be brought up as a, you know, something probably a couple hundred thousand. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. To add to Commissioner Tamulti, I I think we need to see
what it is that we're proposing to look at before we we start with numbers back into a project. Identify and and not here. I agree with Commissioner Williams. identify what it is that the change that we want to make and to commissioner tumulti what does it look
like to sustain that going forward because not just an investment but a sustainment and we've got to know what that objective is and what it costs to sustain it but I think we need to communicate the goal to the to the uh we've never had this conversation that it actually means something to us so I'm
just I'm just perpetuating this conversation we all care other commissions have for sure here's here's the next the next done. The city manager and the staff have consulting contractors that do that kind of work and they're already on board
with us and if they can fit that into their current budget as give us some concepts of what it could look like and then we can come up with some pricing following up on that and we can see how we might be able to fit in. But I'm not
going to be able to do it right away. Well, we can definitely start raising our parking uh fees again uh to pay for it. Okay. My admonition would be and exactly what you're saying that we get the vision for it but also budget sustaining it
to we can ask the consultant will help us with both of those. I think that'd be perfect. Go back one. I a similar question on the paving. It looks like we're doing no paving. It may have been two door charge back. Nothing in 26. Nothing in 26. a way to peanut butter
spread that to get some work accomplished. I know there's been, you know, economies of scale to do it all, whatever. Don't get me started on it. But I mean, have zero and 26 and then 1.3 million in out years. Go back. was
1.3 for this year last year and uh and it got cut because they need the money for keeping the rest of the city running for the um State Road 520 medians with the 35,000 being in fiscal year 27.
That'll allow staff to do the research and find out what the amount is it needs to be changed to for when we propose the fiscal year 27 budget. So it'll allow the department enough time to meet with other consulting engineering firms whatever it may be to hear what it your
ideas are to execute the plan for the vision you all see in place. I think it's best right now to leave it as it is since it is a balanced budget that's being shown to you all um for the department to go back and get to receive quotes go through the process so that way when we get to fiscal year 27 the
appropriate amount is being budgeted for what you all are envisioning I'm going to respect the request that we try to make it happen this year well okay here's how it would work she's working the budget based on the numbers she's given us and some tweaks weeks
between now and the final. AJ's going to get staff with the consulting firm come up with some concepts what we want to do and the ROM cost of that. If it's turns out it's a million dollars, then it's up to the commission if you
want to take that out of reserves or not. But that's where it would end up coming coming from. While she's Hannah's working with staff to balance our current budget for 2026. So, let's get the concepts. Let's get
the ROM costs and go from there. You're a terrible negotiator. I want this. I want this. Okay, let's go. It should have been done a year ago, you know, and you need to do at the beginning of a budget cycle, not at the
end of the budget cycle adding something like this because it could be a half a million dollars or a million dollars. I'm just I'm just afraid it's going to same thing's going to happen next year. Well, it started in January. Anyway, okay. Trying to give common sense from my
experience, but not right. Not today. We got 40 days before the end of the fiscal period. Yeah. So, this next slide is division 3170 for capital improvement projects. This is the same division that I mentioned earlier that I can add a line item
specifying the um ordinance and what that entails with the endeavored amounts as the commission sees fit. Uh these are the projects that are included within the CIP for the next five years. The bicial that's for sure granted or that's the goal to get that portion.
Hang on. Hang on. I'm asking Hannah. That's a that's a new scope that we It's not fully grant funded, but this is the amount remaining on the project for next year which is the city's portion that we're paying. Most of that is that is portion. I don't have the numbers in front of That's the
scope we approved already that they're This is a new scope they're adding on. Okay. So, it's our obligation. We think we can fill that hole with a grant. That's an unknown still. We already got grants. We can't more grants project. Okay. So, it is it is guaranteed grant funded. It's not what we're applying for.
Full grant funded. They told us they don't let you fully grant fund things. They make you put up some of your hard-earned money to get the grant. I'm asking the footnotes as grant funded. What does that mean? Partially. Partially. Part of the 1.6. 68 is a grand. Yes. Part part of it.
Hang on. Part of it. Okay. Was it Were we not told that it was fully grant funded? Well, so I think that and I think the $12 million capping project was also sticker shock. That was always, oh, it's
100% grant funed. Hang on. Hang on. Let me finish. And it sounds like that got kicked out a year because we don't have $12 million to fund that because it wasn't grant funed. It was also struck in a veto by the governor. That's right. So that's where the money went and
that's why we're on hold. Correct. So we spoke with So how the mcapping project was advocated in the past was that it was fully grant funded. Upon pulling the contracts, reviewing them, um we realized that that was not the case. We did meet with Saver Indian River
Lagoon and based off of that uh meeting along with a call that we had with the governor's office and our lobbyist it seems that right now those capping projects are not a priority to receive grant funding. So for that reason it was removed from the budget.
That's exactly what happened. And the bsentennial park is what percentage of it is funded by grants approximately? I won't hold you then. I would say approximately 80% of it is okay. [Music]
So 300,000 roughly 300. I don't think that that is the total cost of the work that's being done at by Centennial Park. It was over 3 million. That's we've already incurred a lot of cost which the grants paid paid for that. Yes. Right.
So okay, it's it's the original project scope, right? This is just the portion of the scope that's now going to be build in 26. Correct. And of that, some of that is going to be Cocoa Beach money come some be. It's going to be the remaining balance on the entire project. Okay.
Okay. I want to go back to So, hold on real quick, too. The the ADA uh Boulevard Park. We're we're going to spend 2 almost $2.4 million on the on that park.
Those are estimated cost. So, if we get this land, we can start engineering and designing that park. So, we'll have a better idea of the what the costs are going to be for construction in the outlier years. So, we're going to use the 26 monies for engineering and
design. Is is this the property you're talking about from that we got from the Air Force? Yeah. The radioation. All right. And we are we keeping that property? Yes. Why? Because we don't get it if we don't keep it.
That's not true. That is true. That is true. Then then so we're going to get a property that's a sliver of a piece of property on oceanfront that we're going to use as a park that
no one's going to use as a park and we're going to spend 2 million $2.5 million to develop this park and then seasonally maintain it when we've got six miles of park in the beach. We have seven other parks along the beach, yet
we're going to create another park again that no one's going to use. Do you do you know the acronym ADA? [Music] Skip, are you trying to insult me or or what? No, I'm just trying to say that I
in my experience in this city have met lot of people that would love that are handicapped people and access challenge that would love to have a place where they got handicapped bathrooms, they got handicap parking, they got wide enough
sidewalks and ADA compliant ramp going down to the beach with the observation deck. So these handicapped people can enjoy the things that we take for granted just as much as us. This train left the station about 10 years ago
to get this property back for the city of Cocoa Beach. And the only way that we were able to get this far in the process is to say we were going to make it into a park and that we What's that? Is that true that we the only way we get that piece of property
or that what if we don't get that property? Who gets it? Who gets the property if we don't get it? Whoever the federal gives it to, right? It's GSA or who GSA. I I just don't believe that. I don't
think that's the case. I I Anyway, Deon tell you we worked or No, Morgan. I'm sorry. Morgan, we worked on it with Morgan and it GSA had two ways we could go and we're under the
Department of the Interior for the park application. We've gone back and forth with them twice and they have now agreed to our site plan to develop that park to and they're and they're they're in the process of giving us the property oceanfront beachfront property in Cocoa
Beach that's going to come back to the city of Cocoa Beach. And can I make a suggestion that we put that 300,000 towards 520 and then we start on the on fiscal year 2027 instead of 2026 for the for the ADA park.
I agree 100%. and that we give that property to somebody else so they can pay taxes on it for that piece of property um to us instead of spending $2.5 million on a sliver of land. We've we've talked Why are you bringing up now talking about Bring
Well, two and a half years ago I wasn't on the commission. Skip, we've talked about it multiple times since you've been on. No, that's not true. Pull the tape. I'm not saying I'm not saying pull the pull the ADA park, but I am saying why not jeopardizing will jeopardize
getting the property into our hands. Okay. We can say we can reduce that that we're only going to do $150,000 worth of design. Would that make you guys happy? No. I I think we should push it off to the next year and then use that money.
I think we have to in good faith what we told the Department of Interior that we're going to do to develop that park so that they'll deed it to us in the near term. could still put it 27.
Whatever. Your thoughts because you on that. Yeah. In in my recollection, I my recollection matches Commissioner Williams uh that we've talked about this a number of times since I've been on the commission. I agree that while this may
not be a revenue generator, it's something that's important to our residents. Um I really like the 520 idea. I think we've got to have a clear vision though of what we want to do there. And I think the process going forward is to get get concepts and
understand the cost associated with that. If we pull this funding, my guess is we are pulling our agreement with GSA. Pull it. I'm saying put it at 2027. It's a I don't think I would doubt that they wait for us on that if we try. I say I I say for right now, leave it in
there. let Morgan do some homework with the Department of Interior and just say we've got a little budgeting process problem. We really want the property, but we may not be able to sp put as much money into it in 26 as we thought. See what and we're going to have to budget out
our our follow on work and let her do that. It doesn't do us any good to move it out. Keep the money in there. If we don't spend it, it rolls forward anyways. Go ahead, Brad. I think Brad has Wait, I have one more thing on your 520 thing. Okay. I just a little more history. Man Causeway. You like the way
it all looks? Looks nice. When we redid it, it used to look like trash, right? Except the license route. It looks really nice, right? Yes. Okay. The problem The problem is we didn't maintain it. Exactly. And that and I mentioned that back 10 years ago. If we don't maintain it, it's going to look just like it did before we
did anything to it. It still looks better than it did before. Oh, it certainly does. But I Let me finish my $5 million. Can I finish my history lesson? Yes. Come on. We envisioned that years and years ago and over 10 years before
that project started uh is when we started talking about it. Okay. Then we had to put it into a complete streets project. Okay. With the plans, the concepts and all that. And
then we had to get it into the Space Coast Transportation Planning Organization's 5-year plan. Then we had to get it prioritized and then we had to go year-toear and fight for it to finally get the money to do the job. So that would have been a
great thing 10 years ago to say we wanted to do with 520. Maybe we could have got some funding to help support it now. But to be able to go back, we're gonna right now if you want to do something in the near term, it's going to be all on us. And you're gonna have to have F DOT's approval on anything you
do, any concept, anything you do because it's their road talking and it's there right away. They seem to be like they would be happy to work with us when I when I talk to them about it. So yeah, they'll work with us if we get if we cough up the money. I they said they
got money uh put aside to help us with it. Yeah. But that money has to go through the process and be approved and put on the 5-year plan. So, it's going to be a while. But if you want to go down that route, that's the cheapest way to go. Route as long as it gets done. I I honestly I don't even care if it's our own money at this point. I'm just so
sick and tired of of driving through 520 and looking at that that that meeting. I mean, me and Brad have had a conversation about it. Me and AJ the city previous city manager like I just I just want to get it done. I'm tired I'm just tired of looking at it. Like that's that's that's one of my pet peeves is
driving through Cocoa Beach and seeing it. And you guys are finally like you're starting to see it come up. Like I I rarely get super animated about stuff. But we got to find the money somewhere. But yeah. Okay. Go ahead, Brad. Um, the
National Park Service has already requested assignment through the GSA for this property and they highly recommended that we retain the 300,000 within our FY26 budget. Yep. What happens if we don't?
I I don't know. I don't have an answer. You don't take the property or you don't spend the money? I don't think we get the property if we don't spend the money. The money should stay in 26. There's no risk to that. If we don't spend it, it just rolls forward till I think that's leave it in 26. It's
And if I just may, if I have to move any of these projects around in public works, I would forego the Minute Man light pole installation if you want that money towards 520. Okay. So, let me maybe Hannah question
installation. So, we've been talking about converting the current minimum light poles um with FPL poles that we would be under contract and they they would install it, but we would have to maintain it and pay them a Yeah, that's a discussion I think we
need to have be during our discussion on creating a park and what we're going to do to beautify that before those polls could I it could happen all together. That'd be good. Wasn't the park just Danube West? I don't recall. This is all the stuff in downtown like Cedar Sunset.
I do remember Danube West. I just don't know what the park constraints are. I think it's Danube West there. West, right? I don't want to get involved with the residents. I think that's where these light park in front of their house. That's if it's further south. That's great. Yeah.
[Music] For the record, the 300,000 for the ADU park still in there for now. use that same I think we can move on. No, hang on. I got a question on the tennis court renov [Music]
on the tennis court reservations. Is that in addition to the one AJ negotiated the capital we got from USDA? The USA agreement. This is uh for the fencing and light pole removals. Is that correct? Okay. So, it's it's over and above that
whatever was part of that contract, the USDA contract that was brought to the commission a few meetings ago. Okay. Holiday lane boat ramp. What's going on with that? I know that was in. It was out. Budgeted for fiscal year 26. It was in um fiscal year 25. It wasn't completed
because there wasn't sufficient funding allocated to the ramp and it hadn't went through the bid process. So um after getting some estimates, the appropriate amount to be budgeted was placed for fiscal year 26. Um so they can we can proceed with the project.
And we think we can do all that in 26. There's no risk of it kicking out. Do you want to answer that? No. Understand there's limited bandwidth, but this one's hard right now. Um, the
Marcato property is going to be breaking ground in the very near future and because of the new storm water requirements that we have, their property is being raised. So, it's going to create an elevation difference between the back of their property and our existing concrete boat ramp.
So, yes. So, we need to take into account that we might have to do more concrete work to match the Marcato's property grade and not just the boat ramp itself.
So, we really need engineering drawings for this boat ramp to occur. We need surveys done. I I don't know if 200 would cover all that and permitting. Well, let's that's that's another
amenity to beneficial to the public. We're down a boat ramp now. There's no boat parking there, by the way. Yeah. Which is a good thing. No, but it's you could go it's a place where you could get a boat out of the water and where you can get a boat in the water. You just can't. folks on the
north side of Minaman and got to go all the way around a ramp road. There's no parking. I think that's a good thing. It keeps the visitors from But the thing is the locals using it. Bicentennial. It's going to be a while before that's open again. Right. Ramp road is
on the horizon to be renovated and that's going to close that boat ramp. Right. So it will help to have this additional boat ramp. So dumb question Brad is if the storm water from Marcato it's going to discharge in that direction at some
point the discharge from that property is actually right at the boat ramp right there on the ramp over top of the canal absorbed in that scope but that's the that's the actual culver that's the discharge currently that's the actual culvert
yes okay it's all so they have to contain their as much storm water as they can on their property propert and then that is the outflow for more than just their property. That's for a whole bunch of properties in that area.
There there's two coverts near that the end of the boat ramp. Okay. There's a big one and then there's a small one on the northern side of Okay. Brad, are we familiar with the contractor already working on the Marcato, the design and engineering and things like that? I don't think they've
selected a GC, but they do have the engineering firm. This may not even be possible, but I'll speak from here. Um, the possibility of joining into that project and pitching in and having a
contiguous project done where the boat ramp is included and we add in uh so that it's not the marcato and then we figure out how to join into that uh join separately into that. We'd have to partner with them pretty heavily because of the permitting and
all that. They're probably not familiar with dealing with the St. John's and the their GC's would be. Yeah. I mean, it's it's you pull you you asked a similar great point on the Dirty Birds renovation is running the electrical condo to support the the
Thanksgiving stuff. I think that's where you're going. One GC for one set of books. you're a lot of the overhead gets absorbed and you potentially get your pay goes toward labor and materials ju it's a thought I don't know that it's feasible but just
staff can look into it and I just tell I just say one one of my concern AJ one of my concerns is that um Marcato's been on the books here they've been trying to do something for you know a year two years something like that it's this might not even not even happen
in the next year you know this is I I mean, Marcato Marcato and And if it does, it's going to take a couple years to even get to the point where we're going to spend that 200,000 on that ramp because you can't build that ramp while they're building doing all their stuff. Well,
no, the thought was to join the projects, but what I'm what I'm getting at is they're going to they're going to start building and they got to they're going to have to it'll take them pro even if they started in a year. It's probably going to take them a year to get to the point where you're ready to start joining that that stuff, you
know, because, you know, takes it takes a year, two years to build things. Let's leave the 200,000 in there and see see what the numbers come back at. Yeah. All of the items that were in fiscal fiscal year 26 and presented were all based upon the priorities from the
departments from the feedback we received by the commission um at the time when everything was put together and it's balanced as it is now. Um I just want to give that reminder. Do you have a update or know anything about when the Marcato or anybody when
they actually plan to break ground? We we ran into uh Daniel Todd ear earlier today and um he sounded like he was ready to move on uh to move forward on the marcado.
Well, Dave, uh, Dave Dicki, uh, Brian Palmer and I spoke to him in front of Dirty Birds. And, and I think that, um, the business incentive for them to do that is to have it up and running at about the same time that the Weston's up and running so they
can get that that foot traffic in those customers. I mean, I'm I'm cool with I just want to know if like, do we actually know he's going to start on this? Otherwise, the holiday bling boat ramp needs to go to the next year. Well, no, because we can we can plan the holiday lane boat ramp
based on the worst case scenario of the what Marcato is going to have to do. Leave it in 26. If something comes up, I like the idea of joining forces. Okay. I mean, that's a great idea, Josh. I agree with staff consider. If for whatever reason we don't proceed
with the project, I think it's best to leave it. My recommendation would be to leave it in fiscal year 26. If we don't proceed for the project for whatever reason, it'll go back to reserves. It'll revert back and it'll be reappropriated in the fiscal year 27 project however you all see fit.
All right. Next. Okay. But I do support that. So the next few slides are all for fleet. These are requests are broken out by department as explained to commissioner Timulti before. Um starting off with police. We have their request. Um the next box includes parking
enforcement and then fire department at the bottom of this slide. These all align with the replacement schedule for fleet vehicles. Right. And the the reason the fire truck's not in the fleet CIP is because that's a basically a whole different
ball of wax. Correct. Thank you. Okay. It was held separately because that contract would have to be brought to the commission by the fire department to uh commit to those funds being spent.
[Music] Oh, sure. Um, the totals. Can you explain the totals? The totals for each year. Fiveyear totals. Well, there's $5.7 million in police
vehicles. No, I think there's some math wrong. I think there's some math wrong on that last line item. 1.69 69 million. I'm sorry. 1.986. You've got the cumulative. You're looking at the first unmarked or the second unmarked
public works or police department for four SUV unmarked 26 595 but total is 454. The total is 119. Oh, I see it. Um
the second line is the same from 454. [Music] These dashes are you're you're correct. Yes, we will make that correction. Um in the totals, it's something that's not pulling over correctly in our spreadsheet. We'll have that corrected in the book presented to
you on September. If you add all those up, they add up to more than 5.7 million. They add to way less. They less. That's the problem. It's No, no. If you add these up, it'll drastically change that total. You're absolutely correct. We'll make the change and uh have it presented to
you in the book on September and that and the mayor wants you to use the money on the no medians. No money. Commissioner Tumulti just found your money maker. You don't need police cars.
All right. Our reserves came. Okay. I think the next slide has the fleet budget for public works, development services, and leisure services. [Music]
And the last go back one. Oh, sure. I think Yeah, I think in the Ford SUV. Looks like it's maybe tied to something associated with the vehicles, but you've got another one there. [Music] This is public works.
Yeah. In the development services, there's a four-door SUV that 42 turns 196. Oh, yeah. Bottom line, Hannah, your 2026 column is what's in the budget. That's really what matters. It's just fiscal year 26 that is in the budget. The rest are just projections
for outlying years. Those can be changed. They deviate from year to year. So, that's not um anything that you all are voting on and committing to at this time, but you'll correct that 5-year total comment. Absolutely. Yeah, that'll be corrected before you receive the budget book. You'll get the pretty book on September
4th. It was carried over from last year in that I saved those. I might have. Okay. believe this is the last fleet slide and it includes um subtotal for
fleet furniture and equipment. How do they turn the turn around the zeroturn mowers if they [Music] were some of these generators grant funded if I recall?
Okay. I don't know if you want to put that the asterk on there. I had asked the question, did it make sense to have a portable version so we could move it, not necessarily be tied into one facility, may actually have power in a hurricane, then we can't do anything with a generator if it made more sense
to have a portable, but if they're grant funded, I think that's a great idea. Plus, you can keep it covered or in in a garage where Well, I mean, you get more utilization, right? And you can Yeah, but then if you if you need it due to a lightning strike taking out the the
thing on big old monster on the pole. I forgot what they call antenna. No, transformer. Mhm. Just a thought. If it if it makes more sense to have better utilization, you need a generator at a at a public safety facility. a tree branch
could fall on it too or you know a kid walk up to it water on it. I'm just saying all kinds of, you know, hypotheticals. I don't keep my generator for my house, my emergency generator in a storage
unit. If something happens, I want it at my house ready to go. Yeah. And these generators that we do have budgeted, they are stationary generators because they got to be sight specific for the buildings. And those
you can't take one generator and operate any building with it. So the fire station here has an elevated generator. Is the fire station, the other fire station generator going to be elevated? No. Should it be? The one for uh north end fire station.
We can elevate it if needed to be, but we haven't planned on it being elevated. Shouldn't Shouldn't it be elevated in case we have a storm surge? If you have a storm surge, the generator would if your power panels are not higher than your generator,
you're gonna lose the building anyway if you have a storm surge. Okay. So, we lose the generator. 775,000. Yes. The whole building and the fire trucks and everything. Okay.
Yeah. To the mainland. Okay. I like the new asphalt roller. That means you're going to be doing asphalt repairs, spot repairs all over the city and you need that roller to smooth them out, right? Yes, that's what it's for.
That's for patching holes. That's what it's for. Okay. We're going to need that probably before 2027, but we'll use the old one. Okay. Next. Okay. Next, we have the CI for leisure services. that we have three separate
boxes to separate out recreation, administration, parks, and then the aquatic center. [Music] Good. Good. Good. Any questions? [Music]
Okay, the next slide is for the golf CIP. Now, the golf cart fleet, we rented the current golf carts. Is that correct? Yes. Yes. Okay. So, we financed them. We rent them.
They're they're they're financed and leased. They're leased. It's a lease. So, so what that 450,000 is, we get brand new, we get No, no. I think that means that we get new guards and they take away the old ones.
Can we just buy a bunch from Costco? Devon's going to tell us all about it. Yeah. So, right now we have a PNC equipment for the golf carts that we now. So, it's like you said, so usually the old ones get removed and they get replaced with the new ones and the 450,000 is to account for the new lease that we're going to go into an agreement
with that's going to go over a period of years just like the one you're going to see in our debt schedule and of this presentation. Correct. Golf carts generate revenue that exceeds that exceeds the expenditure. And I would suggest that we move that up a year because the golf carts are not in very good shape right now. When does the
lease expire? We've already paid it, right? The lease is already it's it's by agreement. So, we can't renew it prematurely. We have to commit to 27 to expire. Um is in the schedule. Yeah. Let me have it on a How many curses are
future slide? Approximately approximately 100. [Music] It doesn't show the date on that slide. It's if we're going to replace them every year, at least makes sense financially.
It's in 2027 where that I mean, whatever duration it is, it makes sense if you're Yeah, it's in 2027 where that contract expires for PNC. So, it can't be renewed until that time since we're committed to it through
contractual agreement. [Music] Okay. Sure. Okay, next we have the CRA CIP. Um the project for ramp, road, parking lot, and storm water improvements includes budget and CRA as well as storm water utility
fund. And that does include a portion of grant port proceeds as well. I believe that's reflected in the storm water side that you'll see in a upcoming slide. Similarly uh for the cedar woodland vard project it's also has a portion
allocated uh to the stormwater fund do you want to put in more money for the boulevard improvements you're talking I mean there's there's plenty of balance in this fund correct that we could I mean put money in 26 to make it available I
don't know if we can execute that quick but I absolutely want to do that it would that would have to go through the CR would it Yeah. Yes. It would have to be brought to the CRA in that we'd also like to see a concept and a ROM cost on what what you plan on doing
before I'm going to support it. [Music] So if I it doesn't necessarily have to be brought to this area board. So it's it's the fullon overall budget that you're seeing here like at this commission meeting for example. So if you had special requests it's no different than if you were to give a request to AJ and he talked about it
with staff and got back quotes and be the same concept. Nothing has to be specifically approved by the board, but we put a dollar amount. Well, like for example, these these aren't. You're marking the money. All I'm saying is if you if we think we can get traction, I love the idea. Throw it in. There's a line item.
I'm I'm proposing on the on the east side of of Boulevard. There's there's sidewalks there. Mhm. With a about a twoft gap between the the the curb and the sidewalk. if we could just put pavers in that gap and fill in
the weeds and the dirt. We're keeping dirt out of the road so it's less maintenance. We're we're widening the sidewalk so more people can access it. It's a wide road so it's got potential to put bike paths whatever and and I well so what I think about is the is the parade that got cancelled 4th of July
cuz we couldn't get DOT permits. That could be a backup corridor we could do that in. So I support the Bvard improvements for sure. And uh it's less less maintenance for everybody all the way around. So it'll it'll it'll stay good-looking. We won't have to worry about the weeds growing or curbs. I mean,
so so it should you say, let's say you said earmark 250,000 for something that we have no idea exactly what it's going to be yet or what it's going to cost. and took put the $250,000 in here for
Bvard Avenue that comes right out of the 1.7 million in reserves that we have for future maintenance on the parking garage. Yeah. I mean that place I'm just explaining it's needed it for for Okay. I don't know how many it's our last part
of downtown is really go with $250,000 in FY26. I would like that. And then I and then I know that there's probably another uh 250,000 that's available through um uh the the F dot um
transportation impact fund. Transportation impact fund that can be used towards sidewalks as well. So we we've got potentially about a half a million dollars at least to put towards that project. I think that's enough. So, so you just reduced the the reserve for CRA. Additional budget included in storm
water when we get to that slide under fiscal year 26. Oh, it's for a different No, no, that's for a different project. Okay. Was labeled out the same? So, same concept. I don't want to speak for Brad, but I'm assuming it's the same thing. We'd have to do the research. You'd have to get quotes back unless he
can speak to it now. I don't know the specific area you're talking about, but if he does, and at AJ's request, if we are to add it for whatever amount, just be mindful if the amount comes back larger, it might get moved to a different year, but like you've said, Commissioner Hutcherson, it falls back into reserves either way if we don't go through with it. So,
okay. I'd like to do that. All right. Add a line item for 250 in 2026 for potential Bard Avenue improvements. Brad, how realistic is the metal conduit
on the north end? The metal conduit on the parking garage. Is that a real risk? And didn't seem 30,000 seems like a lot for what? The parking garage of rusted metal conduit. Rusting metal conduit. Yeah, it's rusting.
Um I think that's a fair number, but I've also been speaking to staff. Um our city electrician, he might want to undertake this project ourselves. Oh, that'd be great. So, I don't want to speak for him, but um we've had discussions. Yeah.
And because it's not just it's not just replacing conduit conduit, you're pulling wire, you know, you're I mean, it's the Well, and not only that, but a lot of that conduit is encapsulated in concrete, right? Yep. And it's corroding inside the concrete in three years.
It's longer. It's been longer than three years. Four years. Four years. The parking garage, I think it's seven years. Yeah. long enough for the elevators to die. All right. And be out for a year. Next. Okay.
The next few slides are for the utility system CIP request. Can you next time put on the bottom slide 20 of 120 or something like that? So I kind of have an idea where the end is. Got to figure out where his P break's
going to go. Okay. Any questions on this slide? And another good uh practice for doing this is anything you want to slip through, do it at the end when we're fed up entirely.
Running out of gas. Hey, for the record, I read all 576 pages of the detailed budget. We wanted to, you know, ensure transparency. That was the feedback that was received. So, we were giving you the comments, justification. And it was exactly what was requested. Thank you for that, Hannah. It was a
well it really was professional grade contents out there. Appreciate it. Nice. Okay. So, here we have the stormwater CIP with those projects. Again, it's only fiscal year 26 that
we're committing to. The rest for the outlying years are just projections for what the department would like to do in future. Can can I ask about the back truck? I know we just didn't we just buy one. We we bought one in utilities, but this is a smaller back truck for the storm
water department. Uh they have a lot more tighter areas um to get down to their That one was it was a trailer, right, that we bought? Oh, that one. Yeah. Yeah, that one we I don't know when we purchased that, but it's been a few years. Um, but this is like a you
know, our big back trucks. Yeah, it's it's like a mini version of that one. So, the one on the trailer won't won't suffice. That's up to storm water. Morgan can speak for that. I I know you're I agree with you cuz I
driving motor homes, having a chassis and diesel and all that is just hundreds of thousands of dollars. if you can get a trailer that's used in multiple locations. Maybe it's a bigger version of that. See what Morgan has to say. So, in fiscal year 27, we're requesting for the back truck, which was a smaller
version like Brad said. Um, it's mainly because currently we have to use water rerecks, which means we have to use water wreck employees to help us out. So, if we get our own, we can do it ourselves and also our pipes are way bigger than theirs. Um, so it's just we would need our own truck. So, you don't
want to share between departments is what you're saying? Well, we currently do, but I don't I don't see a problem with that, honestly. Okay. Uh, I think you should be able to share between departments. I kind of I don't I'm not really for that, but that's 27,
so it doesn't matter. Okay. Thank you. Yep. The uh asterk for grant funded, is that 100% grant funded? I believe partially grant funded. Partially grant funded. Okay. So, the vulnerability assessment, that one is
fully grant funded. Uh, ramp road, um, all of that's grant funded except for 80,000 of it. Um, the golf course vegetation harvest, I discussed this one at the last workshop. That one would be
fully um, grant funded if we receive the grants. If I don't receive the grants, not moving forward. Um, and then that's the same with the floating vegetation islands at Maritime Hammocks also. Um,
and then for the Cocoa Isles bio um swale, that one I forget how much I put in. Right now we have 250 um,000 um, grant funded already like have the grant um, designated but applying for
additional ones. So, in that one, it's only partially grant funded. Thank you. Yep. On this slide, I also noticed that um the 5-year total for vulnerability estimate has an error. So, that correction will be made um before you
receive the book on September 4th. The total is incorrect. So, Hannah, real quick, all the ones that are asterric that are grant funded, if they're partial or not, we've we have what we think will be the our obligation built into this, right? We're not going in assuming we're getting 100% grand fun
and then getting a sticker shock. We have to pay out of pocket. Correct. We have our best guess of what our obligation will be. Okay. Correct. Okay. We're nearing towards the end um for the CIP. This is a summary of all of the funds
and this encompasses all departments that we just went over in detail. Quick on that. So, you're confident the math at the bottom of each column is accurate. There's not any fat fingers there. I'll go back and verify the total since there was errors in the previous slide
um with the how everything was totaling over to just ensure that there were no errors. That's fine. The the only reason I bring that up is so a thing to note is there is some drop off in capital and out years. So, just think about that, right? 31 million is going to 17 million in two years. So, we're probably not going to
grow the city to So, we have I guess what I'm saying is we have some opportunity to move projects out or in or add scope in later years because the it drops off pretty heavy hopefully not 17 million.
[Music] Okay, this next slide is the debt summary. We have it colorcoded by fund. Um starting off with the general fund obligations, CRA obligations in the lighter shade blue underneath. Um the utility system
obligations and lastly storm water indicated in red. The total debt service balance projected by September 30th 26 is 33.3 million. So talk to me about the golf carts. It
looks like we 146k and then we still have 770. So, it doesn't sound like it's going to be paid off next year. I believe it's December, but I'm not sure off the top of my head when that contract expires. I know that we have to
log into the re to the the new contract committing those funds um for the renewal. This looks like it's like four or five years out before we Okay, we'll follow up. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't want to take that negative equity and roll it into the next. You're saying Yeah, I'll verify that one and follow up with you all. Yeah. How do we get them 146 to 770? 146 to pay off 770 four to five. No, no, no. I think what you're saying
is sometime in 2026 we're going to have to which you put in the budget or was it 450 for the golf new golf cart? That's what I'm saying. Do we have to commit that in 26? Yeah, the the 26 principal reductions in interest payment you're seeing is right, but for that remaining balance that
770,000 is not accurate. That's it's like 146. Yeah. So, we're going to have to change that. Just want cuz we wouldn't want to take excess balance, roll it on top of that 450 for the new cards. Got it. Okay. And our last slide, um, per state statutes governing municipal bud
budgets, um, it's required that two public hearings held with attendance of the commission. The first public hearing we have is set for September 4th for the tenative millig and budget and the second public hearing um for the final millig and budget is set for September
18th. Both hearings are included in regular commission meetings and that is it. Can we can we start those city manager can we start those meetings at 6:30 for the extra content?
You said it'll be with go along with the regular city commission meetings. I I think six o'clock would be even better to start our actual meetings at 6 would be it's got to be what was advertised. Yes, it has to be it has to be whatever was advertised. I don't know what was advertised.
What the bottom of that slide say? I thought it said it would be part of the regular commission meeting. the uh 7 for 7 p.m. And if it was advertised at 7 p.m. we can't it has to be the first item on the agenda and it has to start when we advertised it.
The statutes have very specific guidelines for have to be held. So we it has to be the first item on the agenda. Can we is it legal if we convene the commission to the prayer the pledge
any special presentations and go over things like that aren't new business because this would be considered new business it has to be the first item on the agenda end of story I mean that's what the statute says so before the prayer before the
invocation no no the first substantive but what about special presentation if we're going to have one. Can we have it before? No. Hey, this is a great point. This is a perfect opportunity. We probably can't we probably can't change this for this particular meeting, but I really think
we should consider moving our uh meetings, our regular meetings to 6:00. You've got, look how much staff we have here. And they've already been here probably 12 hours today. They've probably put some of the golf course folks have probably put in 14 hours
today. And I just think it just uh it makes sense for us to start a it's not going to happen at our next meeting. These next meetings are are set 7:00. There's nothing we can do. But it's a great point to to consider starting our
meetings at least an hour earlier. And I I would agree with that. And we can probably get the mayor to agree with that during the winter time when it gets dark early, but in the summertime he likes that extra hour of daylight. So I like I like it at 7 personally, but
but in the winter time you wouldn't really care, would you? So how much money are we losing by having you know 20 employees here at a meeting 2 hours after they two to three hours after they get off work. I don't think we're losing midnight some nights.
I don't think we're losing money, but I don't think we're improving morale. Both. I think both. I It's It's both. Yeah. All right. I just um I'm willing to support six o'clock if you want to bring it back. And if you want to next meeting, we'll do that.
If you want to uh maybe if you want to make it where it's based on the time changes, you know, 6:00 in the winter time and 5:00 in the summer, 7:00 in the summer time, 6 o'clock in the summer, 5 in. I'd be I'd be more open to that. Yeah.
Seasons adjustment. Wanted to say Hannah, thank you. Um and to all the staff, AJ, thank you. this excellent work is really good public comment. I want to say too, uh, thank you Hannah. Um, that was a great presentation. Thank
you staff for for sticking by and, uh, putting up with our questions and everything. Um, and like I said, moving forward for me, uh, one of the keys is I really want to get I really want to make a priority, um, is to maintain what we
have and and to beautify what we have moving forward. That's why I um you know it was something I want to do previously but moving forward from from now on I really want to try to make it a real conscious effort to do it because the
way I see it is you know the general public they don't come to these meetings as you see and they don't they don't really know how everything operates. Um our our liaison our what people see outside is how they think that we run stuff
internally. So everything that you see outside, it's a direct reflection of us. And uh to me, I think I think we could do better with our maintenance. And I think that it's it's really important that what people see out there, they also, you know, think that we're doing
internally as well. So that's why to me, I want to make it an extra priority because I do get a lot of comments about about the the general look of Cocoa Beach. I mean, it's nice, but it's it it could be a lot better. So, thank you. Go ahead, Janice.
Um, good evening. So, um, first of all, I want to say that it was great budget presentation, better than most I've seen in the past. A lot of detail, a lot of explanations. Um, I think the public appreciates it. So, thank everybody.
Um, I'll do and I'll and you all when you vote to lower the millillage at the uh September um what is it? Bifth meeting, lower it to the roll back. So here um here are a couple of things that are really
completely redundant. AJ will probably start laughing because the city did get a lot of money from FDOT back in the day to do a median project on State Road 520. They wanted the city to send a
staff member to Arizona to purchase Zahiti date palms that are native to the Sahara for 15 or $20,000 a piece. And I put the kibash on that. So, um anyway, when when you go to
consider landscaping um 520, Myra and F dot did that complete project that you're admiring so much. However, those royal palms are way too big for that location. If one of those palm frrons
falls off and hits a car or a motorcyclist, that'll be the end of them. PL and now now the roots of those trees are lifting up all those beautiful pavers. So that's another maintenance project that's coming down the road for
them. So um when you go to landscape in Cocoa Beach everything this is the saltiest environment on the eastern seabboard of the United States. Salt, wind, heat, cold and drought. So if you don't find
native plants even don't all fit that criteria that that's a criteria that needs to be followed. Umund 1.5 million um I'd like to see that the maritime hammock. I know they're going to put something in the pond. That's
fine. But they we were obligated 20 years ago to get those invasive species out of there and that money should be spent towards that. Not that I wouldn't enjoy the plants in the pond. Um, I don't know who inspected the parking
garage and allowed metal conduit to be used in this environment, salty environment. Um, I'd like to see data in the future about who is coming here that US residents are paying for visitors to use these
recreation facilities. I know they'll never pay for themselves. However, I think they could make a a bigger contribution otherwise. Uh and first of all, you do need data. Who exactly? How many are there more visitors than residents? And um maybe take a better
look at that. It's a a big expense. Thank you. Yes. Sure. Come on up. [Music] I would just say that, you know, I heard a lot of good proposals and I 100% agree with the mayor on the and with
Commissioner Tel Talty on the the entryway. Um, not sure about that park over in Ocean Beach Boulevard. I'd have to look a little bit more at that, but the final mill rate hasn't been set. And I would recommend that all of you take a look at all of these items and figure
out what it's going to take to pay for all of these items. and B if you have to adjust that millage rate. It looks like 6.0 is like a like a compromised number. Yeah, it's a great round number, but maybe 6.1 or 6.05, I don't know what it is. Might just go up and go up.
You can't go you can't go up from that our voted back. Well, then then it's the same situation that I've seen every budget process every year. Every single year we set this low millage rate and then we we scramble about and well this needs to be done that needs to be done and we scramble around to find money. Maybe
next year we can get it right. I suggest we go to a double roll back maybe. All right. Any other public comment? I think that was the the only two public that was out here, right? All right. Double roll back
money.