Joshua Jackson, would you mind doing the pledge for us? I'm be delighted. Please stand and face the flag. I pledge allegiance to the United States of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Sorry, I get on that sometimes. Uh we get uh Pastor Keith Capey from Club Z to do the invocation. Let's pray. Father, we thank you for this privilege you've given us to come before your throne and seek your grace,
your mercy, wisdom, your insight, providence. And Lord, we uh we need you tonight. We need you to help us to all conduct ourselves decently in order that progress of the city, the purpose of the
city prosper through our decisions, our input, the choices we make. Pray for our commissioners. Give them wisdom. Give them extreme discernment, insight, decisions they make. Pray that properness all they do.
Thank you for our city clerk, city manager, also city attorney also help them themselves in a way that makes us all proud. We ask this in Jesus name. Amen.
City clerk roll call. Commissioner Jackson here. Commissioner Hutcherson here. Commissioner Tumulti here. Vice Mayor Williams here. Mayor Capezy here. We get a motion for the agenda. G2 and
G4. What was that? Motion to approve the agenda with G2 and G4 removed from the consent. City clerk, can you get that? No, I'm sorry. Go ahead. What was that? Golf two. Golf four. Four is already. There you go.
Got a motion. Second. Motion a second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Hi. All right. Any public comments about items that are not on the agenda tonight? Janice Scott. All right. Janice, come
on. City clerk. Thank you. Um, I want to address um a comment I made about storm water at the last meeting before I um before vice I'm addressing the chair of course before
the vice mayor took a swipe at me in a smartass I mean a wise guy way and um when he could have been doing what is the duty of the commission to be um
informative. Uh let me recap what I had said. I said perhaps because the storm water person got the ordinances read as usual and I said well perhaps someone could elicit more information about storm water and Miss Zulki got up very
competent nice young lady and mentioned where all the storm water ponds were and everything. So, uh, the vice mayor made a crack after that about the former mayor. And just so you know, and I know Commissioner Tumulti, you'll love this.
This is my 53rd year in Cocoa Beach. So, um, I just because that wasn't mentioned, I want you, the public, to know that in January, the storm water rate was $15.13. In October, it's going up to
$1966. So since um January of 23 and October of this year, the increase is going to be 119%. We're our our uh fees and taxes and things that we're paying here now. I mean, this is a fee, not a tax, are
probably going to make us more expensive than Monaco. So, hey, welcome to Principality, everybody. Thank you. Thank you, Janice. Can I make a clarification? Karen, can you can you fix my sign so it
says vice mayor because I don't think she was referring to me as vice mayor. Yes, sir. You said it. She Yeah, she said it. She said vice mayor. Yeah, but were you talking about me? Yes.
Okay. Okay, then let's please get my sign updated, please. All right, that was exciting. Now, um, any other public comment? Yeah, I'll let you go ahead, sir. About items that are not on the agenda. About
items that are not on the agenda. Speak speaker name and address and three minutes. Tom Smith, Yacht Haven Drive. Do you need the address? No, it's fine. Okay. There's a missing Eton. A to navigation channel marker. It's
been gone for several years now. Um, south of Ramp Road as you're going south. And then right before the island, there used to be a channel marker. I know exactly. If you cut that corner Yeah. from the current channel marker to the next one,
you're going to polish your props. Oh, yeah. So, we need a new I don't know if the city does it or who does it, but someone needs to be advised that that needs to be taken care of. Plus, the channel going all the way out has not been dredged and it's your boat wouldn't
make it. Yeah. Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah, that's all. Okay. Um, so, city manager, you've got that on your radar now. Um, also just speaking of of boat issues, uh, right at Sunset Grill, um, there's also the the wind
blows through the, uh, the bridge right there and it made a shaw in between, um, the channel markers, uh, the red channel marker is right there, uh, by the bridge. So, just be aware, anybody on boats, it's only about three and a half
to three feet deep over there now. So, so while while we're talking about channel markers, we dredged the 400 channel, but we didn't move the north markers into the area where we dredged
it. So, if you try to go down the middle and there's a boat coming at you from the west and you move off to the right, you've run ground. So, I understood that the channel markers were on the on the north side were going to be moved
in across the basically what's currently a flat to where the deeper water is. Is that on the radar? Uh, yeah, it is on the radar. That was that's a different project. um the
channel markers for that the the project that we did was a dredge project. So um but it's on the water is plenty deep enough if you hug the the south side of that channel, the
south twothirds of that channel. But if you get into the north oneird of that channel, I mean I I had a boat coming in and I was in a 13t wher and I pulled over there. I'm still inside the channel markers and I was hitting bottom and I
thought my engine was having problems, you know, and I was like, "Oh, no. I'm hitting bottom." Okay. And I mean, it's going to be addressed. It just we've had people actually have to be towed out of there. You know, quite a few people that
have run around within the realm of the channel markers. So, thank you. Okay. Uh any other public comments about items that are not on the agenda? All right. Uh just just so you guys know for for tonight, I'm I'm
usually pretty lax when it comes to public comment. Um you know, I don't necessarily follow Robert's rule to letter the law, but tonight because we have a couple of issues that might be slightly contentious. I do want anybody that does want to speak, please fill out a public comment card tonight and um
remember, keep it to three minutes and um state your your name and address as well. All right. Um staff reports. Okay. I've got um a couple of things here. Um, first of all, the um,
if anyone hasn't noticed, the speed bumps or humps, whatever they want to call them, um, are being removed and, uh, they should be out of there pretty soon. Uh, thank you. Uh, so I just have to keep after them with
the speed signs. The speed signs are supposed to be increased back to 35 and the breakaway ballards have to be done, too. But um so they are working on that and that's good. Um Ocean Beach Boulevard property on the
south end. I have a definite meeting with GSA on May 20th and we're going to go over the different programs that they offer um to get possession and ownership of that park. So that's been a long time
coming. Um and yeah, it's it's going to happen. So, um, and I have one other good thing here, and, um, it's the, uh, short-term rental. You guys going to come up here and Corey and give an update on, uh, the the
status of the short-term rentals, Mayor Commission, Becky, Clerk, and Mr. Manager. Um, just to give you a quick update on the metrics of what's going on with the short-term rentals since we've
changed the ordinance. Um, within the last six six weeks, we've increased the vacation rental registrations by over 500. So, we're catching up. Um, there's
still 167 in process, but um, it's definitely making people stand up, take notice. We also had another 178 new BTRs B and those are people that should have already had them already. Now, some of
them are probably they just bought the place and they're starting out, but I think everybody's got their attention on it now and hopefully this will put us in the right road going forward. Yeah, thanks. Hard work by the staff, that's for sure. Any questions,
thoughts? Okay, thank you. Yeah, thank you. That's all I have, mayor. All right. Thank you, city manager. Um, city attorney. Okay. Um, I just wanted to let you know that Colin Basinger reached out to me today and actually yesterday also.
Um he is working on the um the process of uh getting a new city manager and he's going to be he has your phone numbers and he has your email addresses and he's going to try to set
up his um his target time to meet with you would be sometime Tuesday late afternoon into the evening if that is possible for y'all. that he's going to be reaching out to you and um you know
getting all the information from you as to what you're looking for in a new city manager. But that's all I've got. Tuesday the 20th. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. City attorney. Uh city commission. Any reports or announcements? Go ahead, Jeremy. Oh go.
So um I'm going to send you guys my budget read ahead. I've done this to give you read ahead. I'll plan on briefing it at the budget workshop in June. I'm not going to be here at the next commission. Um, so you'll get that an email. I'll copy you, Karen. It's my thoughts of how we can for sure balance.
We've had such a massive growth in the budget the last two years. We can easily hit roll back and not cut services. But traditionally, I've been the only one that's pushed back on that. But here's my I'm laying out my plan of how we can achieve that and not compromise any services. And then the second thing,
Karen, if you've got that queued up, um, I sent you an email on a graphic I forwarded to you guys last week. I don't know if you had any comments on the attachment on the city manager uh job wrecks or any thoughts on that or nothing. So I wanted somebody from the
city to explain how we got completely unknown to the commission. This is a core responsibility of the commission is to is to hire the city manager and manage their performance. And there's a $35,000 raise completely unbeknownst to the commission. So I'd like somebody in the
city to explain that to residents how we got here. Is this an agenda item? Nope. Why not? I'd be happy to put it on the next agenda item. I sent it to you guys as read ahead. Yeah, I read it, but uh my point is why bring it up now without it being on the agenda? The folks out in
the audience and everybody watching has no idea what you're talking about. It's pretty simple. Well, it could be simple. It it's that and it could be explained if if um the commissioner Herson might have asked the city exactly how it how it happened. On December 7th,
2023, Commissioner Williams motioned to this assistant to the city manager Wayne Kerjino that the current salary he would receive the same current salary as Miss Hayes was receiving which was
155,000. And from what Jeremy's saying, he's currently receiving 190,000. And per the charter, the commission is the ones that decide on pay changes for the city manager.
Okay. By contract, by code, by our constitution at the city. And I bring this up. I mean, it seems like petty, I'm sure, to some people, but this is why I'm not going to support the marina because we're so bloated for decisions like this. We've got to reign
in cost, but I only seem to be the only commissioner that ever pushes back on anything. So, except when we want to spend $150,000 on a, you know, to see if a marina is feasible. Okay. I'm sorry, I missed that last comment.
want to spend the city commission wanted to spend $150,000 to see if a marina was feasible, but that's okay to spend $100,000 on that. That's coming up. Uh, yes, it will on the next one. Sure. Will, but I could bring it up. Put this on the agenda for
next time for another two weeks. To me, I feel like this is a little bit um just kind of pulled out. I think we should probably put this on an agenda so that the staff has a ability to um to rebut your questions. So, let's let's let's
make this a fair fight here. The other item I sent you is going to be a similar vein. I'll be happy to put that on the agenda, but because I'm going to miss next commission, it'll be at the uh June 17th workshop is the attachment you guys have in your email. Okay.
I I have a comment. Yeah. Commission comment. Sure. Right. So, something that I learned as a as commissioner several years ago when I was on the commission, um it's probably a good idea to talk to the city and staff in advance of a meeting rather
than drop things on them during a meeting or send emails to commissioners during a meeting. Uh that way you have background um and you don't get blindsided by someone else who already knows the answers to it and can can shut you down, you know, pretty quick. Um,
this way, you know, when people ask before someone like a lawyer, you know, Becky, you basically you don't ask questions unless you know the answers to them. And that's what we should be doing up here in advance is working with our city staff so that the city staff is
prepared and we don't make them look like fools because they don't have the answers at the tip of their fingers, which they don't. They don't have all the answers at the tip of their fingers. If we're coming up with a question just off out of nowhere, not necessarily out
of nowhere, but but asking a question that we may think they don't know the answer to or maybe they do, I don't know. Doesn't matter. You don't ask that kind of question for the city staff in front of the public without asking them in advance of the meeting. That is just
proper decorum for city commission. Okay. So, that way that way you can get the proper answers and have all the information available. There's no there's nothing illegal about that or any any way, shape, or form. It's just having all the information available
rather than asking questions, you know, where we don't have the answers right away. That's all I'm saying. All right. Now, on a more positive note, because this is my time to speak, Commissioner Williams, um I'd like to say that uh this week is f is next week's going to be a great week for Cocoa Beach because
we have a graduation. Uh Cooka Beach High School is having their graduation next Friday. And hope everyone can see the new traditional uh beachwalk that they have where they come around First Street South and up through uh Minute Man Causeway with all the uh all the
graduates. The parents are there taking pictures. It's a great time. I think it started about four years ago. Um and uh I look forward to seeing everybody out there. Thank you. Right. Thank you. Skip, I guess you want to say something. I just want to say in Commissioner
Huderson's defense that he passed out an 8 by10 sheet of exactly what you saw on the screen to all the commissioners and submitted it into public record two weeks ago. So it's not like he just
sprung it on us tonight. No, he didn't spring it on me. I saw it two weeks ago during a meeting. He sent it to me, but he didn't send it to the public. He didn't put it on Facebook. He didn't put it out on on his social media. He didn't do anything like that. I I don't That's all I'm saying. If you want if you want
the public to to know about it and and talk about it, then let's put it out there. Put it on the agenda and go forward. Is it still my turn to talk about? Is it still my turn to talk? No. Only if you don't bring my name up, then I've got to respond. Okay, Tim.
Okay, Vice Mayor, I brought up your name, so go ahead and respond. Don't be Don't be so childish. Come on. So we all have due time. So So anyway, I thought I explained it. Um and uh we do need to, you
know, follow our our commission policies and our codes in making decisions that are required by this commission. And if it applies to the city manager's pay, then we need to look into that. But um
we're going to be setting a a wage an attractive wage for a city manager with Colin Basinger which will you know need commission approval before it goes out for bid or for
solicitation. So be prepared for that. And and Becky, do you think that that would be something we need to put on the agenda for the next meeting to stay within the guidelines of the code to set the city manager's future city manager's
way? Yes. and and after he meets with all of you on Tuesday or subsequent days, then he can get the information, put it all together, and then the information about what y'all are looking for for the ideal candidate and
including the dollar amount for, you know, a um a salary range will come back to you before it obviously goes out, right? So, at the next meeting, per the code that Jeremy uh touched on, it needs to be decided before they put the
solicitation out by the commission, a a range will go on and then when you hire someone, when you negotiate a contract with someone um then that's finalized. Okay. So, we need to decide on the range
at our next meeting. Yes. And it's um before it goes out for solicitation. Yes. Yes. because city policies in code, right? Because city manager um salary ranges run the gamut. They really do. All right. Then
the only other thing I' I'd say if you don't get CBNN uh tomorrow at starting at two o'clock tomorrow they're going to be starting to set up cones and barricades to reroute
all the traffic off of South Orlando to uh two-way traffic on Atlantic. And so if you got a last minute shopping trip to do, do it before 2:00. And if you want to come enjoy the uh the
boat parade coming in, you know, to Cocoa Beach for the uh you know, the boat festival tomorrow night, then you might want to uh plan for traffic issues and parking issues.
But um should be a great event. The weather looks good and the ocean looks good. That's all I got. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Uh Josh Oh, back clean up, right? Uh welcome back, Mayor from uh from your
trip. It's good to have you back. Um looks like it was a good time. So glad you got to enjoy that. I agree with Commissioner Tamulti. I think that's the the item that was brought up definitely is something I think worth being able to get public comment, get feedback. Um, but in agreement with uh
uh Commissioner Williams, um I really appreciate the acumen, the attention to detail that Commissioner Hutcherson brings both to the rules and the charter as well as his ability to to find and and assess important details that all of
us were presented with, but only one of us caught, right? And so I think where there's a balance here, I think I'm quite thankful for the commission we've got and the strengths that they bring to this table. Thank you, Josh. And I'll uh piggy back on all of
that. We all do bring something special to the table. Um, you know, we might not always agree on everything, but I think it's really important that we continue to treat each other with respect and just remember that moving forward. We are the face of the city and it's
important that we um act accordingly. Um, consent agenda. Okay, this is the consent agenda. Item one, approve the May 1, 2025 commission meeting minutes. Staff representative, city clerk department recommendation
approved. Item two has been pulled to be heard later. Um, item three, accept the following proclamation. Space Coast Day, July 24th, 2025, requested by Sabra Gossik, curator, CA Cape Canaveral Space
Force Museum. And item four has been pulled completely. Move to approve the consent agenda is read. Second motion and a second. All in favor? I. Motion passes. 50. Um, let's
see items removed from the consent agenda. Okay, this is item two. Approve the property owner of 142 Minutemen Causeway to encroach its developments brick paver walkway into FDOT rightofway. The pavers in this area are maintained by the city of Koka Beach
public works department through an interlocal agreement with FDOT. FDOT is requesting documentation from the city of Cocoa Beach stating they approved the addition of the pavers as a condition of FDOT permit number
2025L590-00001. As a condition of approval, the city will be named as an additionally named insured on the general liability insurance policy no less than $1 million of the property owner. Staff representative Brad Calzo, public works and water reclamation
director regation approve. Gohead. So basically what this saying is you you've got a picture of the current pavers in your packet or if you looked at it on that. Um so is there a
representative from 142 here? Can we get a just a a motion? A motion. I'm make motion to approve. Second. Okay. Okay. Motion. Are you with 142? Yeah. Come on up. Okay. So if you look at their depiction of what they
want to do, they're basically they can go all the way to their property line with their set of pavers that looks like a prominant entrance into their facility. They want to continue that paver layout all the
way to the street. Is that correct? That's correct. And and you'll do it properly. And basically that means that they're going to do a concrete cut on both sides of our pavers, remove our pavers, and put their pavers in. Is that
correct? Uh, so for the record, landed shear, uh, sheer engineering, civil engineer for the project, 1361, highway A1A, Sally Beach. Um, there there's no curb, there's no cutting that's done where the pavers are
connecting. That's just the existing edge of the pavers. So the the pavers don't go all the way to the property line. The existing pavers don't go all the way to the property line. And we're just extending our pavers to make an appropriate connection to the existing pavers in the ride. Oh, okay. There's
the street. Okay, I see it. Okay. So there's not it's about a foot. So So you're only going out an extra six in six to 10 in on both sides. Absolutely. Move to approve again. So I have I have a comment on that. On the second image,
Karen, I I agree with it. It makes total sense to make that a seamless transition. My beef was scroll up on the picture. There used to be a bench there in the previous tenant. See that right there? And the process actually, ironically, there the stage is right there. There used to be a trailer and they backed it in that corner. That
bench was racked over for a while and then the previous city manager had an action to replace it and they just removed it. So that would be my ask is it got damaged from the previous tenant is reinstall that bench that's shown in the lower left corner. I'm g scroll up a little bit.
I mean I would like to just No, scroll this one on the lower left. Oh, there's some bench right here. That's it's here in the picture. It's no There you go. They got hit by the truck backing in that trailer. I would to they say that's probably the
property owner, not the tenants's responsibility. That's who says the civil engineer. I'm saying I'm saying the property owner of the or the owner of the owner of the property is just I think he he should be responsible for that responsible for his
tenants um you know shortcomings. I I don't think it should be Angry Bird or Dirty Birds. Angry Birds. I sorry I get confused. Uh, I think that's all we need from you. Thank you. Thanks. Yep. Um, any public
comment on on this item here? All right. Um, ready for a vote? All in favor? I. All opposed? Motion passes. 50. All right. Unfinished business. Okay. This
is um item one, marina feasibility study. A discuss marina feasibility study and b requesting the commission to provide a path forward for staff regarding next steps for the marina. Staff representative Wayne Kerino, city manager and Mul Morgan Zulki, storm
water utility manager. Recommendation provide direction. I will not move to approve. Well, I think we should at least discuss this according there's no motion. Well, Vice Mayor, would you take the
seat for a minute? I do a motion to approve. I would love to get a second at least for discussion. Um, I'm trying to What do we What are we to pro provide direction? I'll second that. Okay.
I'll take it back. Um, I just want to say, you know, we we voted on this study to to see if it was even a feasible thing to do. Not that we were going to necessarily do it.
Uh, I didn't want to put this on a ballot if it wasn't feasible. I didn't want to I don't want to build something that the majority of the residents don't want. Um, so before we put on a ballot to see if it was even reasonable, I want to know
if it's feasible. And that's why we we voted to do this. We found out from the study, and I'm sure these guys are going to present it, that it actually was overwhelmingly feasible and uh able to be uh to be done with a with a
significant profit to the city. So, I would like to hear from these guys. Um, and really my my hope is that we don't make a decision for the residents. We allow the residents to make a decision for themselves. And I would love to put
this on on the ballot. Um, I don't want to make a decision for the residents on something that is overwhelmingly feasible. So, if we could um have Edgewater come up and and do a a presentation and then we'll have some public comment and comment.
Thank you. Uh thank you, commissioner, uh commissioners, um and the community for being here and listening to this. Um like Mayor Peasy said, um you guys hired us to do the research and the meetings and the design, the due diligence to
find out if a marina is possible and if so, what it looks like for the city. Um so we completed our study about a month ago. It's been published. Um today we're just doing a a short presentation that summarizes some of what we found. Um for
background, Edgewater Group is a marina specialty firm. We do planning, engineering, and architecture. Um my name is Brock Petra. I am a civil engineer. And with me tonight is Eric Schultz. He's also a civil engineer and our vice president.
Um the outline of this presentation follows a very similar outline to the study that has been published. Um we're going to talk about what the vision is for this area, how we would approach a marina project, the regulatory
circumstances around a marina construction and then operation, the phasing that we would recommend for a marina project, the economics. Um and then we'll kind of summarize what we found. The vision for a Cocoa Beach marina is
not the same for a Miami marina. We're a Fort Lauderdale based firm. We also have an office in Appalachiccola in the Big Bend. We understand what cities need, what kind of marina or construction project. Um, so we started by looking at
affordability and public access to water, bringing your community members to the beautiful water that surrounds your city. Um, we want to focus on a sustainable and eco-friendly design. We completed a community survey about a year ago to get input from the community
members. We had about 900 responses and we use that to formulate a list of the amenities associated in a marina that the community would prioritize such as fuel, restrooms, staff, hospitality. Um, we want to have
seasonal and yeah, of course. Can you guys hear me? All right. Okay. They can. You guys can. Sorry. We want to have seasonal and transient slips. What that means is um we would want to produce a marina where your
community members can leave their boat all year, year after year and you can also bring in travelers whether it's tourism or from the town over people that can come dock up at the marina and use the associated amenities. Um, we want to definitely create a marina if
that's the path chosen that is not just for boers, but also kayakers, people with stand up paddle boards, people that don't own a boat, but can rent one. Um, stuff like that. We want to bring people to the waterfront. And we'd of course want to uh address the amenities that
the community members showed us in the survey. Some of that was having a fuel and a ship store for bait, ice, etc. the regulatory parameters for this project. Um, we did what we call pre-application meetings. After we
formulated a vision and we um started some high level design, we did pre-application meetings with the federal government, that's the Army Corps of Engineers, the state government, Florida Department of Environmental Protection, the local level of government, uh Bvard County,
and then we um reviewed the Banana River Aquatic Preserve, which is another level of local. What about the St. John's Water Management District? that's within the uh the FD and the Army Corps have oversight into that. So we we discussed
those preserves within the um pre-application meetings there. Um so to summarize these meetings, um the Army Corps meeting was extremely productive. One of the highlights of that meeting um is that the locations that we identified
around Cocoa Beach, which I'll get to next, um the locations around Cocoa Beach where you can build a marina, are not naturally occurring shorelines and depths. There's been a lot of dredging over the years when this area was developed to create man-made peninsulas.
Um that lends itself to kind of being suitable for future construction. Um the FD identified that there is a lot of really great area within the Banana River for
manatee feeding and manity prevalence. And this feeds into the next two, Bvard County and the Banana River. Um, but the manity protection plan within Bvard County, it's in place to protect the critical habitats and it has identified in the past what are areas that are not
critical habitats that could lend themselves to construction. Um, the two areas, let me see. Yeah. Okay. So, we'll get to it on the next slide. Two areas we looked at um in Cocoa Beach for possible marina construction would be down the Minutemen Causeway um right off
the country club right off I think it's the first T- box there's a basin there um and then also the current hospital peninsula there's potential there for marina construction in the future um we definitely wanted to provide the
city with a highle design is what I would call this site plan that includes phasing. Um, and what we mean by that is if the city wanted to go forward with a marina construction project, we wouldn't want to ask for
um, you know, 150 wet slips built in one year. We want to allow you guys to um, have proof of concept and also just ease of construction to phase out a marina. um get a fuel plan in place, get your
staff trained before we um we would ramp it up if that was chosen. We did uh several iterations of the marina which we've shared with uh the city manager and engineering staff. Um and we feel like there are a lot of
good programs for we call a program the number and the size of wet slips that you would put in a marina. Um there are a lot of good programs that could work in either location here in Cocoa Beach. Um but we did extensive market study to um refine this particular program that
you see in front of you which is a lot of vessels from 40 to 60 feet um to kind of accommodate the existing boat market. Um, speaking of the existing boat market, there is a phenomenal really
strong boat market um, and demand for marina slips in the entire state of Florida, but definitely in the central and east central coast. Um, the marinas that are here have waiting lists and good rates. and
the argument or the plan for new marina construction um it's really positive. We feel that a marina project with the city would be immediately cash flow positive. Um and that's a really a really good
thing when you're looking at feasibility. Um we know as the commissioners you have to be responsible for the economics of the city. Um, so we spent a lot of time modeling the everyday operations of a marina, what it would look like in this market and how
the yearover-year bottom line would look. Um, given some financing assumptions that we worked through with the engineering and the finance team here at the city. Um, and you can see in the study, um, there are more pages than this. We just wanted a picture up here,
but uh, the Marina project in either location could be cash flow positive immediately. Um to summarize all of that and our study which again is published online. Um our vision for the marina would be affordable and bringing people to the
waterfront. We would want a sustainable ecofriendly sustainable materials signage for education. We want a a stewardship placed upon this marina. Um we'd want seasonal and transient slips. We'd want to bring in kayakers and
paddle boarders so it's not just for boat owners. Um and we've identified fuel and ship store being pretty important amenities. Um we think that you have two locations that could be suitable for marina construction based on the meetings that we have held um and
the cash flow models that we've um performed. Uh we think the market here is really strong and there is a high demand. Um and because of the phasing plans and the high level of design that we've done so far, um when we look at
that with the market flow, we think that again you could have marina projects that would be immediately cash flow positive. Thank you guys. Quick quick question. Um you guys don't build marinas, do you?
We are not a general contractor, but we do everything before you start hammering nail. So, what I'm getting at is um you have no monetary reason to say that this is feasible other than the fact that you
did the the study. You don't you are not going to make money going further by building a marina and saying that it's feasible. Like I'm saying, you're there's no there's no vested interest. There's no vested interest in for you to say this.
This was a complete independent study is what I'm getting at. Yeah, our study is, you know, now complete. So, you're correct there. Thank you. Um, one other question. Is there a reason why maybe moing balls weren't included in that for a mooring field? Yeah, I didn't see that
in there. Um, no. We could I mean, mooring fields typically aren't preferred, especially if they're operated by a city. um it kind of lends itself to you know dilapidated sailboats sometimes and it's a little more on the operation side. Okay. But it's totally something you can explore in the design
phase. Okay. [Music] Um any other commission questions for for for you? Yeah, I do. Yeah. So, you said you don't have any interest other than this um um
what you basically just presented us that it's a feasible opportunity for the city to build a marina, right? But but you do design marinas. We do. Okay. So you wouldn't back out of if we went
forward with this to design a marina, you would probably put a proposal in to design the marina to like for the design process in an RFP situation. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. You would and that and basically would be money. Yeah. That they would get and they would
also have to they'd also have to go out to bid for sure. But that gives them an opportunity. If they go to every city in the United States that has, you know, water access and say, "Hey, you put a marina in here." Eventually, one of them is going to say yes. And eventually one of them is going to say yes to the um to
hiring them for their RFP for them to make literally millions of dollars. So, no, the study is like 400 something thousand. Well, that's the study or not the study, the the uh the design packet. Well, that's the design. And then they also have other um pieces of work that
they also fill in for that as well down the road. The last quote, construction administration, real estate development, all of that. It's on their website. If you haven't looked at their website, that's exactly what they do. So basically, well, you know, I'm sorry, but I mean, we we did this study to see
if it's feasible. And for you, it's absolutely feasible because why wouldn't it be? because then potentially you can develop you can design a marina you can develop it you can develop the land around it and be you know make a lot of money meanwhile the city is spending a lot of money in these development
processes and um whether it works or not you said it could be feasible you didn't say it you know it could be feas um anything could be feasible but it's certainly feasible for your company to to say it is so that's all that's where
I am you know we basically Basically, I I that's all I got to say right now. Well, there there'll be more, I'm sure. According to the numbers, it seems to be overwhelmingly feasible with over a half a million dollars a year in net cash flow. Um,
yeah, it is. Um, it's it's on the it's on there. I am I reading that am I reading that properly or no? In in your gross profit, I think is what you're talking about. If you go down to our bottom line, which is your net operating income, that then has your
debt services. Yes, it's it's cash flow positive. It 67,000 over over the course of just 5 years, we projected your profit scale at above 2 million for the Coco or the the country club location. And does that include the
um the management of it? Yeah. Yeah. Those are that's your day-to-day maintenance, operations, paying staff, all of that's included in your cost of revenue. So over 5 years, the residents would would should be um receiving over
$2 million in revenue from this. Correct. Which would help subsidize taxes, which means the residents would not pay a dime for this marina. It would pay for itself. So, and I don't know about you, Tim, but
how many marinas in the area have you talked to? Because I've talked to about three in the area, and they've all told me that they are cash cows. So, have you talked to any marinas in the area, Tim? He doesn't have an answer for that, but
I bet I bet you have, haven't you? We talked to a bunch of them. I bet you know what you're talking about because this is what you do. And honestly, I've talked to lots of marinas and I I I stay at marinas all the time, so I know what's going on here. Um,
I'd like to hear Yeah. Go ahead. Sure. So, while you're still up here, uh Karen, can you pull up what the detailed information that you you put in our agenda package and go to the page where the math is for the slips,
the number of slips? Is it on? Go back. on the economics or the No, the the number of slips that back to where's the No, no, no. The one before the one that says where it's three per
100 ft. Uh oh, that's in the regulatory section. Regulatory section. I believe he's referring to the manatee protection plan which is yeah the manatee protection plan
number of slips. Okay. Okay. So scroll up a little bit. So all right. Where I'm looking for the math slide. Keep going.
Uh, okay. Go ahead and back up. All right. Where's Where's the one that says three per 100 foot, sir? That's in the regulatory section under um Brevard County. Okay. Yeah, it's right here on the on the left side of that page. Okay.
Right there. County has not assigned a linear footage to slip ratio for Cocoa Beach Marina. There is no ongoing permit application. However, based on the existing mandate protection plan, we anticipate that the
country club location will be assigned a ratio of 3 to 100. Meaning that for every 100 linear feet of continuous shoreline, the property could accommodate three new slips.
So, it says, "Given the 8,000 linear feet of shoreline of the country cub property, we anticipate this site could support up to 240 slips. 8,000 I'm trying to do math here
and I there's a mathematician here. Maybe I'm sure Tim teaches it. Um, 8,000 ft is almost two miles. You know, that math don't add up to me.
And you know, 3 to 100 ft if it's just off of the property that we're talking about doing it from hole number one to the to the city works property, maybe that's 800 ft.
800 3 to 800's 24 slips. So, I'm not getting that math. Okay, you guys heard that. All right, go to the last pages. Go to the disclaimers on the end of this all the way to the end.
Okay. All right. Where's your disclaimers there? Oh, disclaimers. it. This disclaimer basically says if you want to go forward with
this, you're going to have to have independent experts verify what these guys already did. So basically they're putting all these disclaimers in there because if we don't
get 150 slips from the Bvard County man protection plan which says three per 100 foot and we don't make all this revenue that they're projecting then so be it because they put these
disclaimers in place. I under I'm a boater too and I I stay at marinas and I see a lot of marines have to go out of business for one reason or another and it's not due to lack of demand for those slips at those
marinas. I agree that if we built a marina anywhere in Cocoa Beach in deep water that you'd have slips filled in perpetuity. We we probably end up like Santa Barbara where there's a 250 year
waiting list for a moing ball and and you grant your slip to your kids for your boat. Exactly. So yeah. So So then the case goes the people that got the money get
the slips and what does the public get a walk down the dock to look at all these rich people's boats. You know, so this this disclaimer basically says everything that they gave us in this
report, take it with a grain of salt because it may not be actually true. And I believe that that's probably a standard pro practice for people that are in this kind of business. But it does say that you need to get an independent expert to verify the things
that they're telling us, which is basically another consultant and more money and more time. So, I I just even though I know that if we had a marina, it would be fully used
and uh it could make it could uh make money, you know, if it didn't get wiped out by a hurricane and now you're making no money and you're spending a bunch of money to fix things back up. Um, and if the hospital site was viable after the
hospital's gone, and the use of that property, my understanding is it can either be some other kind of any kind of healthc care facility or recreation. And I believe a park with the marina could
be considered recreation. And we could probably get the port authority who currently has jurisdiction over the property to go for that. But then again, you got to dredge a whole bunch of shallow water out there on the on the
north side of that uh property to be able to put your boat slips in before you get to the channel. And being on the north side, you're going to have to put a breakwater in. Otherwise, you got a
nonusable marina and no no boats are going to be able to any little boats aren't going to be able to be in there. And if you do have a boat in there and there's a northeastern come through, you're going to be out there watching your lines and adding snuggers and everything else and spring lines and
double lines and everything else. And some people won't do that and then the boat comes loose and it tears down the dock. So putting in that breakwater is another regulatory issue and that wasn't in the depiction that they presented for
the hospital property. So if Mayor I'm all for putting it on the ballot and watching it go down in flames if that's what you want to do. That's that's exactly what I want to do. I want we we see that it's feasible and
overwhelmingly feasible. I don't want to make the decision. I I truly want the residents to decide. So, no, not if I let the residents decide. You spend 150 grand without coming and asking the res. I'm not going to put
something on the ballot without it being feasible. So, let's uh do you have to anything to rebut what he had to say as far as the coastline? If you'd like me to regarding the coastline, it's associated with the property associated with the slips. So, we went from the far northwest corner of
the country club back to where the city no longer owns. So, it would be the only marina that could be built for that property. So, you couldn't go build one in the channel, which you wouldn't anyways. That's where we got the 8,000 ft from. It takes the whole country club property, not just the shoreline with
the marina. Um, and the manity plan allows for that. We've done that before in Bvard County. Um, rearing the hospital location. We actually budgeted for a wave attenuator, which kind of a modern breakwater. It's a large concrete dock that sits way down in the water with fin keels. It breaks up any waves
that would access the marina otherwise. Um, we budgeted for that in the cost estimate. Um, our disclaimer, I can't read it right now, but I'm fairly sure that's only associated with a sale. If the city down the line needed to sell the marina
itself and you need an appraisal, um, our cash flow is not an appraisal. I think that's all the disclaimer is. We, as the mayor was alluding to, we are concluding that the marina is feasible.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you guys. All right. Uh let's let's start with public comment. I I truly do want to hear what you guys have to say regardless of what you think about me. I do. So, let's let's start with that. And guys, remember, we'll keep it at three
minutes and we'll let's try to keep it respectful. Keith Keith Capezy. Well, nobody's gonna listen to you because you're my dad. I'm the mayor's dad. Um I I really think it's important that
we behave ourselves and act accordingly. We all have different opinions, but I think it's important that we respect one another. We have to live together. So, I think that's important. Sir, can you please speak to the commission audience? My name is Keith Capzy, 116
Bokea, and I'm speaking on the Marina uh in support of it, but not in support of it. And the reason is I've been um I have been debtree my whole life. I
believe in being debtree. I don't believe in loans or anything like that. If I got the money, I buy it. If I don't, I don't buy it. and I've been a boater since I was 12 years old. My dad was a boater. I've been on the water my
whole life. Um, I've owned boats not smaller than 36 feet uh since the 80s. Uh, I moved to Cocoa Beach because of the water. I grew up in Long Island on the water as a kid growing up. I moved to Cocoa Beach when
I was 17 because of the water. I love the water. Uh, I bought my first home in 1988 on a canal because I had a 37 foot sailboat. I've traveled to the Bahamas several times. I've been to the Keys. I've been to the West Coast. I've been a
boater my whole life. And I've stayed at so many marinas. I'm familiar with marinas. I'm familiar with what they offer. And I know that when I go to a marina, you also can take a taxi or an Uber into town, go shopping. You can go
to the shopping centers. you can go to restaurants. The Boers are spending money outside of the marina into the community. Uh Boers are very uh conscious of the environment. We don't pollute. We care for the environment. We love the environment. We love the water.
And I I think u I know that uh you said a lot of marinas go under. That's not accurate. A lot of marinas don't go under. And the ones that do go under are poorly managed severely. And the people boers won't go to a marina that's poorly
poorly managed. So, uh, you can't get a marina. There's a waiting list. And the and for a boat my size, you're paying $700 a month for my boat, one boat. So, it's it's a money maker, but you know,
I'm always cautious of spending money. the county, the commit, our town is in debt and we want to get out of debt. So, I have mixed feelings about it, but I know it's a money maker. I've been around both my
whole life. It is absolutely a money maker. You won't lose, and that's all I got to say. Thank you, sir. Um, next, uh, next, please. Leonard Beckett. Commissioners letter back at 1503
Minutemen main causeway. Um I don't believe this feasibility study proves itself to be worth the paper it's written on. I've got a 14 questions. Three minutes doesn't quite cover
it. I've read the plan carefully. So for question number one for you folks is with all 46 years experience under Edgewart's belt why have you not provided a list of municipal marina projects that you have
proposed completed feasib feasibility studies on and built? Do we have that list? We don't have that list. Question number two, could you provide us with one of the above mentioned projects with project costs as estimated in the respective
feasibility study? Then also the proposed contract and what the actual complete buildout cost was. In other words, how much overbudget were you? I assure you every time you were excessively
overbudget, can you provide us with a feasibility study where your recommendation was that the project was not feasible? All right, next question. And I'm skipping because I don't have a lot of time. That That was a good question, sir. Actually, I like that.
Um, you two you two are both civil engineers, right? I'm married to one. You know what his first question is on this? Where's the parking? That's the very first thing in a permitting application. How to how do you address
the increased need of parking? Did we not just agree, you just agree to a 10-year lease to the National Tennis Association for those tennis courts? I saw it somewhere. Did you agree to it or no?
All right. Well, it's proposed. All right. So, so if that tenant all of a sudden shows up and their people can't park because there's a bunch of boats on trailers parked or all of the people for the marina are parked there, how do you think they're
going to feel about their lease? Um, next, again, addressing them, of all of the pretty pictures used to fluff up this document to make it look like it was worth $150,000, you only show about a dozen marinas. Only three are municipal
marinas. One city's latest financial report shows a net loss of $23,000 in their latest financial report on that marina. Another shows an income of $563,000, but it has $550 slips and mooring
available. Oh, and other services available that you're not going to provide us. and the other shows a net income of $142,000 but charges double per linear foot for rent according to your spreadsheet. Um, which I question its
validity. I do not believe the numbers of those numbers from any of those cities financial reports reflect debt load as they report the debt load separately on their financials. And the same possibly holds true with the personnel costs for those
marinas. the rest of the marinas that you list. Sir, I'm gonna let you continue because I want I want the answers to your questions. Thank you. Um, and the rest of those marinas are all commercial marinas and or privately owned condominium marinas.
Um, question for the city. What did boat rentals cause? What kind of problems did the boat rental company cause the last time we had one in the city limits of Cocoa Beach? How many complaints did we get about boat the people renting the boats? It was a lot. It was It was the
jet skis. Jet skis and and me watching all those boats skip across the the the water. And um then the next question I have is, you know, we had a discussion about water depth and and channel
markers earlier, right? So, this proposal says that it's going to be great because sailboats can you can can be in our marina, but I challenge anybody to show me a
picture of a sailboat with its sails up on the Banana River. [Music] It doesn't happen. Sir, sir, I I have seen him, you know. But yes, unless you have a swing keel or a shallow draft,
you're not sailing. But anyway, sir, you've asked the profit making you've asked enough questions. You're over your time. It's time to address. I'll I'll address them. If you would, if How many more questions do you got? Oh, I have a total of 14. But I I could just hand you
the a cop each of you. You want to just hand it to him since he's going to be the one addressing. Is he going to charge the city more for I don't think so. It's It's built in. Got to be built in. It's built in.
All right. Thank Thank you, sir. I appreciate your comments and I and I would like to hear the answers. Do you have one for me? Oh, thank you. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Would you like me to
give you some time to look through that and I'll ask have some more people come up or would do you want to try to address any of that now? All right. If you want if you feel comfortable addressing it now, I'd like to to do that because there'll be more. Okay. Since nobody cares to hear about
the actual results. Uh, next comment. Blair Wiggins. How y'all doing? I'm Blair Wiggins. I uh born and raised pretty much here in Cocoa Beach. Grew up and uh want to tell you a little bit about the Indian River Lagoon system out there. I've traveled
all over the world and I've seen marinas. Uh I've heard you guys talk about being in marinas all over the world. How many marinas have you ever been to before it was a marina? I've had, you know, I I've been trying to, you know, come up with what I want to speak about. I've got about about three
days I can talk up here. Started the Indian River Lagoon clam restoration project about five about six years ago now. And uh we're up to about 55 million clams we put back in the Indian River Lagoon system. And uh the Banana River is part of the Indian River Lagoon
system. And it seems like just when we start to get band-aids put on and things start working, somebody wants to come along and put in a marina, do something to really disrupt the area that, you know, it used to be pristine. Like I said, I've seen marinas all over the world and uh I've seen them before they
were marinas and I've seen them after they were marinas. And that area right there that you're wanting to put this marina, summertime is a manatee haven. Uh if you did your study within the past two years about 10 years ago, we had the water blackout from a bad algae bloom and it killed all of our grass. Just to
the west of where you're wanting to put the marina was luscious seaggrass at one time. We're starting to get our seagrass back now everywhere in the Banana River. And we start to put in marinas where you're putting in an 18 ft deep marina. You're going to have boat traffic in and
out of there 24/7. Like you said, you're going to have transients in there, people in there uh 365 days a year. And uh a manatee, believe it or not, usually doesn't get killed by an 18 ft runabout speeding across the speeding across the
flat. A manatee can only hear down to about 400 meghertz, which means these big boats that are going to be in and out of this marina operate below what a manatee can usually hear. So you get a 10, 12, 14, 15,000lb boat, even moving
at 5 miles an hour, hits a manatee, it's going to break its ribs, crush its ribs, and the man manatees usually going to end up dying. People think it's little runabouts speeding across a flat. Manatees hears those, and you'll see manatees going crazy across the flats when they hear a boat. They cannot hear
these big boats. The big barges that used to go to the uh power plants killed manatees almost daily. It seemed like I'd see one come up. Another thing with uh with marinas, you get dredge spoil. The Indian River Lagoon system has no water flow
whatsoever. We have no tide flow in there. So, you're not going to get any type of flushing. And you say boers are Boers are clean. I know lots of Boers out there. I know lots of commercial fishermanmen out there. Uh they don't follow the rules. you know, they'd rather dump their tanks coming into this marina or into a marina rather than pay
a 350 pump out $350 pumpout fee. You're not going to get the sludge that gets dumped out of the mar out of these uh boats build. You have oil that gets into their bes. It gets dumped out with no tidal flow. It's not going to get sucked out into the ocean. It's going to end up
somewhere in our river. So, all these boats that are in there that are bottom paint on them, stuff falling off of them, trash coming off of them, it's going to end up in that basin, it's 18 foot deep in there pretty much uh everywhere around in that basin. And from what I've heard from years ago,
when the guy dredged it out, he did it for free. I have to check the historical records, but uh from what I've heard down the line is that area there was supposed to be used for public access. And if you put a marina in there, not everybody from the public are going to be able to access that water. Thank you,
sir. My three minutes are upcad a lot more. [Applause] John Dylan. John Dylan. John Dylan. Cocoa Beach. Folks, I've been around engineering since probably before y'all were born. Some of you won't see how many decades that's been,
but I'm really concerned about this presentation. the gentleman talking about this uh the FDA. I communicated with the uh St. John Water Management today, emailed back to them. They have known nothing about it at all. So, I lose their points lost on that one.
Number two, uh somebody was saying about a 40 to 60 foot boat. See if you can get a 40 60 foot sailboat through the 520 bridge. Tell me how you do that. And if you can, how you what you draft? Can you handle on that channel? If you call it a channel, you can't do that. I like skipped 8,000 linear feet. Somebody's
got to measure that. I don't see that on that they displayed up there. That does not exist. Uh the engineering state that uh uh you asked a question to him to would they go back and go back and do the design in general what he said. He said no. But
Tim ask kind of rewards that. So yeah, but we can. So that's what the feasibility is all about for that company can come in and sell it back to the city. They have feasibility. I can design it and get a contractor to do that design for them, too. I've been engineering for way too long than y'all have. That's obviously what they're
doing. Sure. They Oh, it's everything's feasible. I've been in presentations for so many times. Everything's feasible. Everything is. Especially when they get a contractor to design for their hundreds of thousands of dollars profit from that. Uh I think can I think one by the country club I think we had about
172 slips I think it was. And like somebody else want to go where they going to park the cars for that? They talking about the uh the tennis court. How about the the uh country club? All the golf people. Nobody can park the cars there. That is impossible. Uh there's no ramp. You have
anybody can use to pull a boat out or or launch a boat. No ramp on there at all. And I saw the drawing. Uh again, like I say, the 40ft boat will not clear the 520. So they need to rethink about their design concept. Again, I did not see the concept until tonight. Again, as usual,
I never get something to look at it before my review and see what's right or wrong. I'd like to see it. I guarantee I'll find more mistakes in that. Thank you, John. [Applause] Matt Harrington. Matt Harrington, 57 Country Club Road.
Uh, since the 80s, there's been a marina concept at the country club. Most of you guys know it. There's been engineerings out there. They've been brought to the commission. They've largely gone nowhere. I'm in favor of a marinaish. These plans are kind of grandiose. The idea out there at the
country club is to supplement the country club to provide something for the community, not necessarily to bring in new residents on liboards. this this plan gets really large in the phase two if you're doing it at the country club where I don't think any one of you guys
is going to vote for an increase in density on some other property in town, right? So, you're asking to increase our population density by 190 boats and then you're going to park them out there and they'reies out there that going to need to go to the schools and what you know,
you see all the the complex that goes with the live aboard style. Now, having a fuel pump or pump out system, uh, transient slips, they're all going to come spend money here. That's all going to be the good side of that daytime entertainment stuff where we can
utilize, uh, even my boat coming out there. I'm going to park. I'm going to go over to the 19th hole. We're going to generate more revenue for the city as a city resident gets the benefit. It's when we start doing the grandiose pans of the liverboards, at least at the country club, you're asking for more
than we want to chew off. You're not going to get most residents chew off on that hospital. If there's a way to do the hospital where you get a joint public private venture out of that later on and somebody can operate a marine up there with with this plan. Now you're looking at better stuff. Thank you, sir.
Thank you. [Applause] All right. Okay. Mention something. You want to wait till after everybody kind because it kind of follows. All right. Go ahead. So, one of the things that mentioned,
yeah, you can have pumpout facilities and by Coast Guard regulation, you're required to pump out your sewage system basically on your boat. You're not allowed to dump it unless you're 3 miles
plus offshore. And I think that's too close. But as far as billages go, I mean, people that don't properly maintain their boats and they go run them and they get oil in their BGE and
then they get leaky water in their BGE or it rains and the water ends up in BGE and it hits their BGE pump float. That billagege pump dumps that water, oil, gas,
diesel, whatever is in there overboard. And then some people are like, I need to clean my build. So they use buildage cleaner and they clean it and then they add water. And guess where that goes when it hits the billagege pump overboard. And if you have a closed
system like I have on my boat where none of my sewage can go overboard. There are there's a lot of boats that still have the old raw water in and and sewage underwater out, you know, with seox,
which used to be legal. Um, I don't I don't have that, but all my sink drains, you know, you brush your teeth, you wash your hands, you turn the water on, it runs right out of the hole in the side of the boat, and that soapy water goes
right into the canal. Now, one boat, you know, I don't live aboard my boat at my house, so that doesn't happen, you know, on Westview Lane. But if you have 150 boats out there doing that and all that
potential, which currently isn't in the water in that basin, you have all that potential for soapy water, oil, fuel, you know, whatever in that basin from, you know, 150 plus boats.
I I don't see it good for the environment and I don't see any way that you can regulate it except for the you know if you go out there on a dock and you you see next to a boat some bubbling and you see toilet paper pieces coming
out with brown stuff then then you know that they're violating the law and that's I've seen that before too at some marinas. All right. Next uh comment KP finger 197 or lane. Man, I'm not envying you guys. Man, I'm not envying
you tonight sitting up there. Um, a couple of things I just wanted to add. I'm a numbers guy. I have no idea about marinas. I have access to a boat. I boat around. So, but I don't need a dog. I'm fine. Um, what I like to point out is, uh, like I said, I'm a numbers man.
Every time I look at a business plan that has a hockey stick, which means after year three, there's magical, uh, profits coming in in year four and five and six. Uh, this business plan says 2.2 million uh, in after fi over five years.
It makes 1.1 of that in the last two years. And there is a grand in there for a million two. There's a 500,000 grand assumed and a 750,000 grand assumed. So basically without the grand your profit
is about a million2 over five years with a 10 million investment over 20 years. That is a magical 2% return. If you ask me to run that business, I run away as fast as I can because I'll be losing money. Thank you, sir.
[Applause] Next, Tom Smith. I also am a boater and I also don't dump my billagege or my waist into the water, but I've seen people do it. But the main question I'd like to ask is how are you going to increase Minute Man Causeway to
handle the extra traffic? Are we going to put an L up like they do in Chicago? How much is that? Okay, think of the feasibility. Now, I believe that a marina would make money if it's done properly. Look at Fort Pierce City Marina. Okay, they got a great grant.
It's a beautiful facility, but they've also got much better flow of water than our lagoon has. Um, if you're going to put a marina, I do not think the coast or the uh country club is even a viable thought. No
parking, the superructure of the flu. The the uh best place if you're going to do it would be over where the current hospital is. And you can put those islands up to break the water so that the the boats aren't being bashed. Go
look at Fort Pierce City Marina. The garage is beautiful there on that facility. The hospital is going to have to be torn down, but some other facility could be built up in some sort of a business type, condo type, restaurant type, which would make it a great place
for a marina. It's also got better access to the ocean than we do out here. The country club area is very limited. And based on the pictures I've seen of of the dock, I would have a hard time driving my boat out of my slip and out
by what we used to call ski island with that dock right there. Especially if someone ties a small boat at the end of that one dock. Now I'm kissing my props up against the shore. Okay. It's not a not a good plan. Doesn't make sense.
Don't spend any more money. Thank you, sir. [Applause] Don Clark. Sorry. Nice. Okay. Um, my name is Don Mone. I'm actually a local. I am a pitiful boat owner who
runs ground quite a bit. So, I don't I'm a pitiful boat owner who runs ground quite a bit. So, I'm not here for the boating experience, but I can say if you bring people in that back area, they're going to get caught, too. But I am a mom
and I did look it up. 10% of Boers do have a criminal record, just so you know. I didn't look up the sexual predators, though. However, my daughter goes to swimming at 5:30 a.m. in the morning and she comes home from a swimming at 800 PM. So, they do two a
days and with a TR I'm a my spouse is a retired military from 20 years. So, I do not know boating. I do not know a city. I do not know engineering, but I do know what a transate community transate population can do to a community. And I
can tell you if one child is violated and they're in and out, that does that equals out every single last penny that the community could make on the country club. Period. End of story. The Cocoa Beach Hospital, Cape Canaveral Hospital, is a perfect ideal place for a marina. I
don't disagree that we need a marina. I think it would be beautiful. It would be so inviting. It could be party central. It they could just make it look spectacular. But down Minute Man is not where it should be. and I live on country club and I can tell you right now it takes seven and a half minutes to
get from from the top of Minutemen down country club and that is not even when our fine police officers are down there saying I don't even know which way to go. So please, I beg of you, take into consideration, not just the monetary aspect. These are our children. I know
it's a safe. That is one of the most beautiful things about Cocoa Beach. And I'm going to take my minute and a half. Beautiful things about Cocoa Beach. We spent 20 years away only to come back and say, I'm willing to w live within these fourb block radius because Cocoa
Beach, the Roosevelt Cocoa Beach High is where I want my children to go to school and be able to ride their bikes back and forth safely, be able to drive to their aunt's house on their bicycles in one of the few communities that children can
still have the autonomy to be themselves, express themselves, get their independence while being safe. And if we put a marina back there, not going to happen. Thank you. [Applause]
Next, Blair Tucker. Thank you for letting us address you. I think it's clear from the sentiment of my fellow citizens. Uh I think the board has a great opportunity here to say let's put everything on hold and do appropriate
community outreach because I this 900 surveys I live here year round and yes I travel a lot never knew anything about it. Perhaps that's my fault, but perhaps the outreach wasn't as appropriate as it should be. And based upon, like I said, the input you're getting now, I think
you'd be ill advised to do anything but tell your staff that's asking for a decision from the board to stand down until we've had more discussions. I didn't see anything, and I can't say that I'm expert. I think a couple of these gentlemen have done a great job in summarizing some of the points in this
feasibility study. I didn't see anything in there when I went through it briefly about public private partnerships. I don't think appropriate financing has probably been discussed. Don't know why they left it out. Don't care. Um,
traffic is a concern, but I'm just here to uh echo the sentiments that I think you have heard from my fellow citizens and to ask the board to do the appropriate thing. No decision tonight, gentlemen. Tell your staffers we're not moving
forward until we have some more community outreach and get a few more answers to questions asked. Thank you. Carolyn Willis. I'm Carolyn Willis. 100 Day on Road Cocoa Beach. Um, I just wanted to say, um, when I was on the commission, I
voted this down. I voted the 150,000 down. Um, and for a couple reasons. One was I thought it might put our grant from for um, for our environmental project for dredging um, in jeopardy, but I found
out that's not the case. And um, now I'm seeing I actually I was I was totally no on it. Now seeing the study, I'm kind of a little bit more open-minded about it. Now I'm kind of on the fence. Um I think it's a really looks like a great
project. Um I think it will generate money for the city and just like the parking garages do. Um it does concern me about the environmental aspect of it because we we all have spent a lot of time trying to
fix the lagoon. That's my major concern. Um, and I think maybe another look at um at the peninsula, the Cape Canaveral Hospital Peninsula is a good idea, but I think we should just take this study.
It's like the first step. I think a lot of the input was great on um from everybody today and we can take all those I know you've been recording um all the points and we can take all those take what we got as the study and modify it um in a next step in a next phase of
this and see what we can come up with that that might be more fitting. Um I do want to commend the mayor on going forward with this. I know um it wasn't very popular. I know he thought
it was I mean it's not necessarily popular in this room. Maybe I think there might be other people who think otherwise out in the public that aren't here. Um and that's always the case in these meetings. I know. Um but thank you
for um taking the time and having the guts to bring it forward because it could be a good thing. We just I think we just have to modify it and keep going and see what we can do with it. So, um um so let's see what happens. Thank you, Carol. Thank you.
[Applause] You want to fill out a card? Go ahead and fill out a card. I'm going to have these guys um if you guys want to just um No, no, they've already made their speech, their presentation. The people have already said what they want to say. They can stand out. Excuse me, sir. I'm
the mayor. I'll make the decision here. learn. Um, if you guys wouldn't mind addressing some of the concerns of the residents. I I truly I don't want to stifle information. I truly want the residents to get some answers to some of the questions they had. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We do really
appreciate everybody's questions, and you know, we're not going to claim our study's perfect, so we appreciate addressing some of the stuff that uh maybe you feel was left out. Um, regarding I'm going to start here with the uh I know this wasn't handed out to everybody. Um, the gentleman that had 14
questions typed up. Um, he had some good questions. We're going to start by answering those. Um, his first question was about Edgewater's experience and um asking about a list of projects um that that wasn't the study. It wasn't a
biography of Edgewater. However, if you go back two years to the RFQ process, um the RFQ, our proposal that we submitted, the reason you guys selected us, um you go back to those documents that shows a list of our projects that we've completed. Um the next question on
there, the answer feeds right into this. It's a question of our municipal projects that have been under budget. Um in Fort Lauderdale recently, we've built the Fort Lauderdale Lois docks under budget and the town of Palm Beach docks we built under budget. Hold on. Hold on one second. If I can stop you. Go ahead.
You built them. We designed and administered the project like we would bid to do this one and the project was completed under budget. We did not Thank you. contract. Thank you. Of course. Um we've also got a ton of projects back in
the Midwest. um when Ron Schultz was building marinas up there um West Basin, Elk Rapids, Cedar River, Moskegan, Michigan City, all of those are projects that he just texted us that um he administered that came in under budget,
municipal projects. Um question three is a question about a feasibility study where the answer was no. Um funny enough, two years ago we had that happen in Palm Bay within Bvard County. The reason was the Bvard County manity
protection plan. The uh the client, the owner of the property didn't have enough shoreline to get an expansion of slips and we told him it wasn't a good idea to move forward with his marina. So that's the answer there. Um four was about sailing. That's not really the driver in
this market. Um designing to sailboats is a tricky gig in the marina business. Um Florida's not the biggest sailing community in the world, but you can design around anything. Um, sailing's not a hurdle as we see going forward.
Um, questions five and six are about boat rental agreement um and the city spending money. Those are really questions for the commission. Um, the question number seven is asking about why there was no pumpout included.
Um, we can add it to the drawing, but pumpout is typically uh kind of assumed on a marina plan where the fuel is. you go to fuel up, you pump out. Um, it's all kind of one one-stop shop there. Um, and in Florida, the pumpout can be most of that can be paid by the clean marina
grant, um, which is really accessible. And, uh, question eight, um, asking about deep water run to the canals, um, forcing people to navigate around the island. We had this question then come up with another gentleman, um, kind of
about the tightness of the marina. We designed this to kind of maximize density to show you, you know, with revenue as the driver, what can you guys achieve, what's feasible. But in the design process, if boat navigability is
such a such a big component of what the community wants, then we can spread out those docks, we can scale them down. That's all through the design process, and that's why we value this community input so much. Um, so we appreciate that question. Number nine asks about the DNR, the St.
John's Water Management District, and the Fish and Wildlife Service. Uh the reason we specifically meet with the Army Corps, and the FD is they are the governing bodies over the rest of the regulatory agencies. So all of those agencies were brought up and discussed
at length in our pre-application meetings with the Army Corps and the FD. We chose those agencies because they're the head honchos, if you will. Um, question 10 asking about a maintenance
yard and dry storage. Uh, specifically at the country club property, um, upland property is extremely limited and so that does not lend itself to a maintenance yard or dry storage. Those are amenities that aren't necessary for a marina, um, but are nice when you can
get them. Um I'll also take the time while talking about the country club uplands now to address parking. Clearly parking is a big concern for everyone as well as road traffic. Um what I want to talk about there the existing Breard
County zoning. Um you get it's already planned for 3 to one is the number of boats that we can have versus the number of cars we need to address for parking. the country club property. We would be viewing that property as the available
uplands to make the marina work. Parking we did not view as a significant hurdle because of the size of that property. There is space down between the canal and the tennis courts. There is space on
the other side of the tennis courts. There are 36 holes of golf. there is that's something that we would not view as a stop point in design. Um and the second part to that is we have significant experience in marinas. We
have partnerships and good relationships with marinas that operate right now, municipal, commercial. The flow of traffic you experience with a marina is not coinciding with the flow of traffic you experience with a school. Um, I
personally when I go get my boat, it is at 500, six in the morning on Saturday or Sunday. Um, that's when you're going fishing. That's when we experience most people going to the marina. Uh, not at 7:30 a.m. on a Tuesday. Um, number 11 on this sheet is um asking
about the hundreds of thousands of dollars for permits um and studies and processing. that's actually included in the budget for all three phases, the two phase at the country club and one phase at the hospital. That's uh included under soft cost line
item. Um question here about pretty pictures. Um oh this is asking about why we didn't assess more municipal marinas in our market study. We we drew a circle around Cocoa Beach and one direct market study.
Um, we've worked and are working on a lot of municipal projects around Florida. We can include all of those, but it kind of dilutes the rates. Uh, Florida has rate zones and we didn't want to get out of that by just grabbing more municipal marinas. Um, also
regarding that point, commercial marinas um are doing really well right now. Like I said in our presentation, the market is really strong. Um and being the newest marina on the block is not a bad thing. You get to
charge more than everybody. So we feel the market is uh so strong in this area. Uh number 14 here is asking about the financing and the grants and questioning the validity of the grants. Um Eric and
I just two weeks ago had a good meeting u with one of the coordinators for the BIG grant that is for transient boating. Um that grant is widely available right now. They are um they're willing to give
grants to promote people boating and coming in and out on transient docks. Um and that's what we'd be looking to do with this marina. Uh there are also other grants like I mentioned earlier for the uh the clean marina grant regarding a pumpout. Um so thank you sir
for providing these questions. A couple of the other questions that were brought up by the other community members um regarding a grandiose plan and live aboards that would pull away from the country club vibe. Um like I said earlier we value community input. If a
smaller marina is desired and a wider marina and a more navigable marina, that's what we will design. That's what we would ask you to build. Um, let's see here. The projection of the
cash flow is too aggressive with grants. Um, the projection is fairly conservative because it's a municipal marina. Um, and you guys aren't just in it for profit, but you're really in it to benefit the community. Um, at least you'd hope to be.
Guys, be respectful. We were respectful for you. So, so like I said earlier, being the new marine on the block, um, you could really ramp up rates here and uh, look to make more than what's projected. Um, we feel pretty solidly in
that. Um, let's see. regarding poor circulation um and the potential for better circulation at the hospital. And this was brought up several times. We we appreciate the hospital is a feasible
location for a marina and that's also a cash flow positive location in our study. But like Commissioner Williams stated earlier, the hospital location requires significant dredging. And as I stated earlier, it requires a concrete
wave attenuator or a break wall that significantly increase cost and time of permitting as much as one to two years extra in permitting. Um the country club location is per slip cheaper to build and cheaper to permit. But absolutely
both locations are viable for a marina and the potential for a mixeduse project. That that jumps right off the page. That's a that's a good idea. Um let's see here couple comments about needing more community input. We agree. We value
that. That's why we're here tonight. You know that. Um public private partnerships. Uh we do that a lot actually. Uh we're working with the city of Sanford on their municipal marina and they they lease out that operation. Um that's fine. It's a good way to cover
cost if you need to. Um emphasis on environmental stewardship which absolutely um and a couple more comments about the hospital which we just addressed. So those are our immediate answers. Um we're happy to field more. Thank you sir. Question
number five. You did not answer. Question number five. the survey never asked the respondents if they wanted the city to spend money on a marina or it cost. Yep. That's the I address that. That's a commission question.
All right, guys. Let's we'll stop it at that. Thank you. You don't need to answer. Um we have a couple more comments or um and then we're going to or one more and then we're going to close public comment. Two more. Samantha Thank you. Uh Samantha Sanger, I'm
asking you please um do not spend our tax dollars on this. We have more important things that we need to spend our tax dollars on. We need a fire station. We need to upgrade our golf course. There are so many more things that you could spend this money on. I am
asking you tonight to please not vote to spend money on this marina. And I am also asking that you please take it out of your CIP. It is in your FY26 CIP to spend $450,000 on a design for a marina. Please vote to take this out. Thank you.
Thank you. [Applause] Janice Scott and this will conclude after Janice. So, um I hear a lot of not my backyard
up there at the country club. However, um I I did not receive a survey. So, it's kind of interesting who received the survey, who did not. I keep hearing over here, nobody received the survey. I didn't get it either. The second thing I
wanted to mention that I've heard a lot about is about the hospital. Um, I understand I've heard a lot of comments that the hospital does not intend to leave period when they open the new hospital in Merit Island. I don't know whether it's a going to be a mega
upgraded emergency room might be good. you know, they expect there's going to be quite a uh increase in the population here um with the resort opening and the big project on 520 and um I've lived on
north of 520 all these years. If you're not in the channel going by the hospital, you're going a grand. That's you know, talk about dredging. It's um during hurricane season, even in the wintertime when there's a north wind.
Let me tell you, you don't want your vote there. So, let me uh I'm not saying yes or no. I'll let the other people speak for it. Thank you. Thank you, Janice. Closed. Public comments. All right. Public comments closed. Commission
comment. We are coming. Yeah. So, um is Hannah back there? Hi, Hannah. And uh I don't know if this is a particular question for Hannah or not, but
um have we has this company finished their work on the scope of services that we contracted them to do? Morgan Sulki, stormwater utility manager. um almost based on tonight it
will be closed up and we'll once we get our pay our um our invoice. So that'll be that'll be the final payment. Yep. Okay. Then I'm I make I I will uh we we are only have a motion to discuss, but
I'd like to motion to say that we don't pay the them any additional money for any additional scope until we as a commission decide to move forward on this project. And I'm looking for a second.
That's fine. That's fine with me. Um, we we we put this out here to see if it was feasible, to see if this is a a revenue generator for the city, like one of the parking garages. Like I said before, I don't want to build something that you guys don't want, but I do want
to be good stewards of of our city. And guys, [Music] so what I'm what I'm proposing is not that we make a decision ourselves to to build this marina, but since we know that it is overwhelmingly feasible from this
study that that we allow the residents to vote for this on a referendum ballot. I don't think if you guys want to keep this off the ballot, that means you don't care about what the what the residents really want. You only care about what you want. So, why don't we put this on a ballot and we'll allow the
residents to actually decide, not us. I don't want to decide this. I want I want the majority of the residents to actually decide this. All right. Can I make something? Yeah. So, the residents did decide on this. The residents voted for us. This is a representative um um
democracy, so to say. So, they chose us to make these decisions. If we want to put everything on the ballot that we're not happy with the result of, um, then every agenda item on here could go to a vote. Um, we're here to make those
decisions. Tough or not so tough. We've got to make those decisions. That's what we do. So, you're suggesting that we put this to a vote for the people. That costs money. That's not free to put it in a vote. Doesn't cost much. It's not that it doesn't cost much. It's already
cost. It's already cost $150,000. $150. Oh, it's another $150. It's not $150. It's more than that. It's not much. It's It's It's less than $1,000. We've already spent the money because we want to know if it was feasible. So, now you're going to just going to just say
we don't care if the residents want it or not. We're going to say no. Let the residents decide. Let Tim finish. Go ahead, Tim. Yeah. So, on a previous commission, we also limited the number of kayaks we could
have on our river. We limited that. We still limit that. It's It's in our ordinance, you know. So, we're limiting kayaks, but we're making it unlimited for motorboats. I
guess that's logical. So, I don't It just doesn't make sense. It's either we either we're environmental friendly community um or we're not. And that's where I stand with it. I'm going to I'm just obviously I'm going to vote against this. And if we have three votes to vote
against it, then then it's a it's a moot point. It barely made it to even discussion. So I I think we should just move on. So, um, one more thing. Uh, you know, I
I'm in I'm hoping I get the votes on terminating I mean in closing out the contract with this firm that did the feasibility study, get them get the final invoice, make the final payment, don't spend any more money. Um, as far
as putting it on the ballot, to put something on the ballot requires three votes of this commission and I'm going to vote to put that on the ballot because it'll become a campaign issue and you'll have somebody for it and
somebody against it and the person that's against it is going to win. So, because that's where the public sentiment is. But in the as we go down the road and we find out what the
hospital's actually going to do with the property in the future if they decide to abandon the property and it reverts back to the uh city having the opportunity to
what currently says it either has to be another health facility, a health facility or a recreational facility. If we get to that point, then we can reook at whether it's feasible to put a marina
at the hospital property. But this isn't the time to go forward with any kind of plan for anything at the hospital property because we don't have any jurisdiction over that property to even
spend a dime going forward with that. So, so anyway, I'm uh asking to call the question on the vote, not to to finish this contract with these folks, not spend any more money, and I already
divulged that I don't plan on voting to put this on the ballot for 2026. Any other public comment or vote? Called to vote. All right. So, let me let me understand what you're saying. So, you're voting that we just don't contract them any
further for any any further services, correct? For forever or until until a future Okay, date. Sounds good. All right. A vote to not give these guys any extra money or contracts
uh until the future, if any other thing arises. Is that what you're saying? Let's have Let's have Skips state it. Okay. What I said was close the contract. Close out this My motion was to close out this contract per the
contract. They give the final invoice. Uh Hannah and Morgan, write them a check for their efforts and that's a done deal. Then there's no contract with them. Okay. Okay. and we don't have any other continuing
services organization on the books that that anybody can sneak in more more work on this. All in favor of Skip's motion. I I all opposed. Motion passes 50. [Music]
I think needs to recognize that I feel a lot of citizens didn't think there was a proper appropriate community outreach on a capital decision that you're looking at for a marina. So I'd like you to consider a motion to somehow pacify us that work in the background won't still
be going on on this project. You understand my concern? I'm not trying to hand you guys are elected to lead and that's what we're asking you to do with appropriate community outreach. Sir, please. This is not how we do it. Um,
so does that mean I guess we're done discussing or do we want to We're done. Okay. Actually, we have a request to um the city's asking us to um provide a path forward for staff regarding the steps to the marina. Right. So, I make a
motion that we stop all um progress toward um um building a marina in Cocoa Beach at this time. I second it. [Applause] We got a motion and a second to not move
forward or put it on the ballot. All in favor? I Are we going to discuss? Oh, sorry. Sorry. Let's discuss. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. I'm Well, it's Robert rules. I mean, whatever. You're right. Sometimes. Go ahead. So, I I did want to go back to one of the points that was
made and then I really appreciated it. Um, I think we have a significant priority associated with a firehouse that we've got to deal with and have something on the SIP does not mean it's going to happen. But I think if we're making this motion, I think it
communicates effectively that we we remove it from the SIP. And so I'd like to propose I don't know if that needs to be an amendment or if we can just give that as a later direction to the but I think that's a given automatic I think that that's an appropriate element. We can definitely
make sure that that's removed from the SIP. I'm fine with that. Thank you. The way you stated the motion mayor was we weren't going to move forward with any plans for Marina and we're not going to put it on the ballot. Yes. Okay. Right. That's correct. Right.
Okay. So, we don't need any community outreach except we said no. Right. Yes. Okay. Okay. All in favor? So, all in favor? I I All opposed. Thank you for your speaking. Thank you for all your input today. Motion passed 5.
I want you guys to know that like I say with all the guys, please. I want you guys to know that like I said um from from the start, even with with everything that that we don't all agree on, I really do care about your input. Um I think it's important that you guys
come here and I really thank you guys for coming here and voicing your your concerns and opinions. Um so, you know, we voted, we heard, and thank you for everything, guys. Thanks. All right, let's move
on. All right. Where are we at now? We're at unfinished business item two. All right. And that is discuss and inform members of the commission on regulatory options regarding ebikes to improve safety. Staff representative Wes
Mullins for police recommendation discuss. Evening. This could be a tough act to follow. Mayor, commission, city attorney. Um I have a comment. Yeah. Yes, sir. Um, West Bins Police Chief, um, please
allow me just one moment of, uh, privilege here to recognize National Police Week, uh, for the sacrifice that all of the police officers and the law enforcement officers around the country uh, sacrificed themselves every day for
this community and others. And, uh, I just want to say thank you to them. So, all right. This is a long time coming this conversation. Um the community, social media, news outlets all around the
state. Um we are not the first community to have to deal with this and we will not be the last. Uh the good news is is that we can do whatever we want. You can do whatever you want. Okay. Um I'm going to present you with some options. We're going to talk about pros and cons,
pluses and minuses. And at the end of this, maybe we can just get some sort of framework as to where we want to be. At the end of the day, though, we have to match two things in this equation. We have to match the public's right to have bikes and ebikes along with the public's right to be
safe, right? And to operate safely and walk freely and traverse this city safely. Um, I think we can do that with this commission, but we just need to work together to do it. All right. So, uh, with that said, let's start. So we
know that ebike sales have surged here in the state and in the country and what's happening is technology is advancing faster than legislation. That's essentially what's happened here. Okay, we can't legislate our way out of this fast enough as the technology
rises. As such, we have some very very hightraicked areas with ebikes in this city. We have the Cedar corridor, South Bard corridor, and especially Minute Man corridor with our schools. We just know that's a fact. And thank you to Commissioner Tumulti for actually
start us in, you know, actually getting this process going for me. Um, so we know, you know, we have a heavily traffked area. These things can go fast, very fast. And especially if you take the governors off them like we've, you know,
talked about, Commissioner, um, we are can bikes going 35 miles an hour up and down Minman Causeway. As such, here's some data that we had. We did some studies. We actually had some laser measurements of some students on Minam Man Causeway through different days and those are the dates up on the
presentation. They're March 5th, 6th, March 24th through the 28th. Menan Causeway, we had 58 students on radar, 40 electric bikes, six scooters, and 12 pedal bikes. This is just a snapshot. All right, so this was our
average speed, 21 miles an hour on Men and Man Causeway on the sidewalks. The highest speeds were around 32 mph. Lowest speeds were 15 12. The most common speed we have was 20 mph. Now, just as a point of order, the
fastest bikes were the illegal dirt bikes that are not allowed anyway. Those were some students at the high school that have since had taken away. Thank you again for, you know, working with Keenan on that as well. Officer Morris took care of that. Yeah. Yep. So this is just a snapshot of some of the data that
we have. Okay. Uh we have stopped a ton of students for no helmets. We're seeing compliance in that area now. As long as multiple riders on one bike, we stopped that as well. All right. So our scooters 14 miles an hour, 10% of the traffic and our pedal bikes
are going about 11 miles an hour. All right. Again, this is just a snapshot of what we had at a few moments in time on Minute Man Causeway. All right, so fifth and sixth, average ebike 22 mph, top
speeds 35, 28, 27, scooter 14 miles an hour, and pedal bikes 11. And you can see the data for March 6th there as well. Even in poor conditions, ebikes were still going at an unsafe speed
according to our officers. So, what do we do? High-speed travel on sidewalks does put pedestrians, especially me, as I'm walking up and down Minto Man Causeway in danger. Um, they are heavier. Okay?
So, they do have more force for you engineer on the panel on the commission. Um, and it's dangerous out there, man. It truly is. Now, what I want you to consider, commission, please, is where where do you want to regulate,
right? Do you want to do it citywide? Do you want to in the CRA? Do you want to do it just minute man? Do you want to do it nowhere? Right? I mean, these are things to think about. And it's a multifaceted problem. Then we get to enforcement that the city attorney and I have been kind of talking about. Who do
you site? If we cite children and we cite children for speeding, we then have to write into an ordinance that are are we going to cite the kids? Are we going to cite the parents? How does that work? These are all things that to play out downstream rather than just making one
decision. Okay, so um some challenges. We don't have ordinances right now to do it and we do need the framework to actually start this process and it and it is just a framework right now. So in 2024, Kipiscane did a permanent
ban on ebikes after a deadly incident and 12 with a 12-year-old ebike rider and a 66-y old. They banned him completely. Miami Beach implemented restrictions on ebike usage prohibiting them from all sidewalks in specific areas. All right. In the
town, Neptune Beach had their own ordinance. And we're actually seeing this quite a bit at a speed in excess of 15 miles an hour is where everybody's hanging out. And that's for an actual good reason thanks to our awesome city attorney. She found this for me on uh
Florida State Statute 316.008. If you're going to legislate through an ordinance any speed on these ebikes, you can't legislate anything in excess of 15 miles an hour. Okay? That's per the statute itself. So you're kind of topped off. That's going to be your
ceiling is 15 miles an hour if you want to legislate speed. Unless I'm saying that wrong. Okay. It's actually a little more broad than that. Okay. Um because if you if you enact an ordinance to permit, control or regulate the
operation of vehicles, golf carts, moss, motorized scooters, electric bicycles, and electric personal assisted mobility devices on sidewalks or sidewalks areas when such use is permissible under federal law. The ordinance must restrict such
vehicles or devices to a maximum speed of 15 miles per hour in such areas. So even if you're not regulate if you if your intent is not to regulate speed but to regulate other aspects of it on a
sidewalk, you have to put in a regulation of the speed and cap it at 15 miles an hour. I mean it's very very specific, very very broad. Yeah. what she said. So, so class one, class 2, class 3 ebikes.
All right. Class 3 fastest 28 mph. Uh, a lot of jurisdictions do ban those completely. You know, that's one option. You could go class one and two. You could go class one, two, and three. You could do whatever you want, right? It's it's kind of just whatever fits this community.
Um, so Collier, this is some stuff that Collier did. Um, obviously anything under 16, everybody always has to have a helmet anyway. And where ebikes, uh, technically anywhere an ebike can go, if there's a bike path, you're supposed to
be on that bike path, not the sidewalk. Okay? That's already within statute. That's already there. All right? So, um, it's really just whatever the commission thinks fits this community. And it doesn't have to be one solid thing, right? We can start
small and we can expand. We can do whatever you guys want to do. We just want to make sure that we respect the rights of the bicyclists, the ebikers, the pedestrians, the ruckers, anybody, right? Um but it is dangerous out there. It is dangerous for us. Now, you can
also decide are you, you know, are you going to do it on the beach, which was Commissioner Jackson's point. Um you know, there's a whole bunch of different areas and ways to do it. Um, I'm here to answer any questions. My only concern as far as like enforcement. We have to be
sure that we're going to do it the right way. If we're going to do this, we need to do it the right way with a good foundation in terms of enforcement solid ordinance and who do we penalize when we have to do it right. These are questions. Yes, Commissioner. Sorry. Yeah. Um, I think a good starting point
would be limit it to 15 miles per hour. Okay. um whether they're on and I don't think they should be on the sidewalk. You should make it where if they're on if there isn't a bike lane then they and they're on the they can be on the side if there's a bike
lane need to stay in the bike lane but 15 miles an hour either way because um I I use a treadmill at Cocoa Beach Health and Fitness three times a week. A couple times I'm there when right after school
gets out and I'm upstairs treadmill looking at the west end and the roadway and I see those ebikes buzzing by on the west side of the road there and they're on their ebike with one hand on the
wheel and the other hand on their phone. Yeah. And then they no helmets and they got a kid on the back and they're going 25 30 miles an hour and and you know people are trying to look for traffic to pull out and there's cars along the line
there and you look you see the opening in traffic. You you don't realize that there's ebike coming at you at 30 miles an hour. So So um and that's on the sidewalk. Well, just a point of order on that and you are correct, but just so
the public knows and the commission knows if by statute ebikes and bicycles are the same, right? Anywhere a bicycle can go, an ebike can go. If that's the case, then ebikes can also operate on sidewalks unless it's changed by ordinance,
right? Bikes on sidewalks are not subject to the same rules as bikes on roadways. So, if a bicycle or an ebike is on a sidewalk, they have all the same rights that a bicyclist would have on the sidewalk, no matter how fast they go,
unless you legislate it. Okay. So, right. I'm I'm just saying I'd like to go with 15 miles per hour either way. And I think that's good. And in that particular location, there are bike lanes, but you need you can't go the wrong way on the west side of the road.
You got to go over to the east side of the road to go to go to the north, right? You can't be flying down the way because people are looking at the traffic coming this way. Same thing pulling out of Publix, the middle of Publix. You know, they got hedges there.
They keep them trimmed, but you know, I'm always looking for somebody, but they have that right away at Publix. The bicyclists do, right on the sidewalk. Yes. Right across where you're you got a stop sign and they got they got to go. But but if they're go there's a
difference between them going 15 miles an hour and you looking this way and don't see anything and you look that way and the traffic's clear and you pull out. If they're only going 15, you're probably not going to have a collision. If they're if they're going 30, you're probably going to have a collision.
Completely agree. So I think 15 miles an hour if there's a bike lane they need to be in the bike lane citywide. And uh if they're underage, they have to have a helmet. And um if you catch kids in
violation, like when I was a kid, they take they'd either Well, back then would just take you home and let your parents take care of you. Okay. Yes, sir. But then when I got into high school, they'd actually take you to the police station
and then they'd have, you know, when you were still underage in high school, they take you to the police station on Halloween night and then call your parents to come get you. So, was this experienced you got there? Yeah. I weren't even guilty of what they got me
for. Um, Chief, you mentioned um that they have the rightway on the sidewalk. Even if there's bike lanes on the road, no. If there's a bike lane on the roadway, they are obligated to be in that bike lane. Correct. So, if they are on the
sidewalk, that's illegal. If there's a bike lane like on a Yes. Yes. Yes. They are if there is an available bike lane, right, they are to be in that bike lane and not on the sidewalk. Now, to the mayor's point, legislate it. No, it's already it's already there now. It's
already there now. Now, to the mayor's point, you know, it it is dangerous on on some of those bike lanes on A1A. There's no way I'm going to push a 12, 15year-old kid going 15 miles an hour on a scooter right next to people going 40 miles an hour with a 3 foot wide bike
lane. It It's 15 on the sidewalk. Well, so what what I'm saying is that if the lane's there, you're saying they have to ride on a three-foot lane next to 40 mph traffic with it with a bike. You're only going to allow them to do maybe the scooters can be on the sidewalk, but the bikes can't. I think what I think what you're
proposing is something has to be done. I think we need to be smart about it though. And I think I don't think we need to throw the book at him to begin with. I think really what we need to do is because there's a lot of people, senior citizens included, especially now with the with
the advancement in electric bikes. Now, senior citizens can actually u experience what they used to experience when they're younger. They can ride bikes around town. I think we can't let a few bad apples ruin it for the whole bunch. But at the same time, we need to regulate. I think the majority of our of
our real problems are definitely on Minute Man Causeway. I think I think we should try to enact the 15 mph zone at Minute Man on the sidewalk there. And I think we should see how that how that plays out and then maybe we can go
further from there. But I think to be safe, I I don't I don't want to push our children on the onto A1A. I I want to try it in a test area first, somewhere that we can easily enforce and manage something that it's going to make it to
where um it's not such a a broad enforcement where I feel like it's easier as a test spot on Minute Man. Like I said, I am here to enforce whatever you guys decide. We just know that doing nothing is not the right answer. Right. Right. So what I propose
this I'm not proposing anything um specific today. This is a great discussion and um I think going forward after we get information from from the public and the rest of the commission that um uh you and um and our attorney
get together and come up with a plan in addition to talking with each of us individually um for the next meeting and then bring something forward in the way of an ordinance potentially at our next meeting because we're we're not going to come up with an ordinance today of course. Right. So, this is great
discussion. I want to continue on with this discussion tonight. Um, but then we can have other individual discussions with the commission throughout the next couple weeks and then maybe bring something if not at our next meeting, the meeting after that. And and I know Becky, you you were um involved with
other cities and you've come up with some great data um from other other cities. So, as you said it in the beginning, you know, we're not the first. So, there's there's legislation out there, right? and and we it's a blank slate. Um Mr. Mayor, you you you
mentioned that middlemen is the main issue. You know, I work at the high school and that's a uh I see it every day. It's it's crazy. I mean, we have a a person that works at our school. His son got in an accident a couple months ago, didn't have a helmet on, ran into
one of the polls, and sure enough, three weeks later, he's on an ebike with no helmet. It's like guess if you don't learn by getting it hit in the head that I I don't know what else to say. But um going forward with this this these new ordinances we need education and that
and I uh had a meeting with the principal um Mr. Powers at Cook Beach High School and thought it was a great idea that the um uh that we come up with some sort of education plan for the kids and the parents. I think the parents don't understand what the kids are
doing. Yeah. Yeah. And I would also suggest maybe along those lines some sort of grace period where we kind of just warn and and and educate the whole time and until such time as you guys decide to go live with it. But you know, we're here to help. Whatever you want to do. And just another um an idea like
we're talking about who do we site? You know what, you know, it's you really can't site a kid. You'd have to probably site the parents. Um, I would say if the kid has a learner permit or a license, then at that point you could site that that child. So I think I think anybody
in that family that has a valid license or whatever that would be some or ID valid ID that would be somebody that you could site. I can work with the city attorney to see, you know, where that stands. Whatever you guys, you know, at at the at that point you're 16 years old. you know, you need to start taking
responsibility for your own, and it's going to hurt you a lot more when you have to come out of that from your pocket rather than your parents. I I feel like, well, just for full disclosure, if we're going to have these one-on-one discussions and, you know, uh bring things to the next meeting, I'm
going to suggest to like start small, but most kids that walk to school or ride a bike school that don't have bus service are within a couple miles. So, I would uh suggest that we do Minute Man,
Bvard, and Cedar, including Catalina. Yeah, we get a lot of complaints on Cedar. Yeah, for sure. So, go with Go with those for now. And and none of those have bike lanes. I can go with Cedar. The rest, but definitely Cedar.
the people the the older kids and adults on ebikes, they're right in the middle of the road, man. Going 35. So, I don't know what you're going to do about them. Chief, I uh want to say thank you for bringing this forward. I think this is
really great information. Um, and I agree with uh the rest of the commission. Doing something getting started is the imperative. I I really like the uh 15 mph limit, which I think makes a lot of sense and sounds like it's if we're going to do anything that
automatically kicks in. Um, one of the other ideas that I'd heard and I' I'd mentioned some stuff. Um, was that as a rider is coming up on a pedestrian or a walker that there's a requirement to slow down to 5 miles an hour to pass. Um the this came from one of the one of the
folks that was on the electric personal device or uh mobility vehicle uh group that we had and they said that below 5 miles an hour you become unstable on a bike and so it's not really feasible but it also allows uh it also allows for uh
the the rider to one have the obligation to notify the walker as they come up on one side or the other. actively slow down. And it's also observable for any uh officer who's enforcing one the 15 mph, but if you can clearly see that the
rider is not operating safely, they're not slowing down, then it's an opportunity to to observe some type of reckless driving or or operation of the vehicle. Um, another one of the items that was was mentioned was um just
reckless reckless operation in general. wheelies. Uh when you're doing a wheelie on a bike, your visibility, what what is ahead of you is obviously restricted or repaired. Um so might be worth considering as also part of what we discuss. Um I see kids doing wheelies
down minute men on a fairly regular basis. Again, education would be the starting point. And then in terms of um offenses, I mentioned a couple ideas and it sounds like a couple of them may be uh maybe hairy, but uh for first offense
at very least where education is involved, there's an opportunity there where the education itself is the peer pressure inducing um consequence. So, for an officer to stand there and read the list of rules
to a kid as all of their friends are going by them and probably making comments, just the natural peer pressure of I don't want that to ever happen to me again. I'm going to I'm going to observe so that I don't have four minutes sitting there as my friends are
going by and the officer is reading to me all of the all of the rules I need to be following. Those kinds of things. Well, inconveniences. They're inconveniences, but at that age, yes, sometimes that's enough. And we don't have to legislate that part of it. I can
mandate that on our end, right? It's easy. And honestly, we don't want to be the bad guys with these kids either. We want to be the cops that are helping. We don't always want to be seen as being disruptive and, you know, just mean and ticket riders, right? So, despite what some think. So, so whatever, whatever
you guys need us to do, we're here to do. All right. So, quick question, Becky. Um, I'm sorry, real quick. I have one for um, are we actually able to somehow mandate to, you know, slow to 5 miles when you when you approach a pedestrian? Is that something that we could actually put in there or I believe
we can. Um, because I think that is really really key. Honestly, that I I do not see anything in the Florida statutes that would prevent that because I ride electric scooters, you know, all the time and I every time I slow down to at least walking speed when I pass someone. So, and it it is it's it's the most safe
way that you can go around somebody. So, I do agree with that. I'm not going to agree with you on the wheelie things. I I I like I like to see kids doing kids stuff and having fun, but I want them to be safe and respectful, you know, around people. So, but you're going to go ahead.
I just um I want Becky to look into what can we do about the ebikes at and the scooters at night with no lights and dark. We definitely can do that. Well, so that's already a violation. The Well, it happens continuously. Understood.
Understood. But if if they are classified to be the same as bicycles, and bicycles are required to have lights, they are also required to have lights. Okay. Well, so that's already locked in. They don't, but I I can put it in there because it'll be something
that will Okay. Just emphasize part of the Yes. emphasize that that's already the rule. And not for nothing, but if you start on Minute Man, all of those violations will be easier for us to find. Yeah. And observe rather than all over the city right now. Right. And people are going to just assume it's
city. The kids are going to assume it's citywide anyways. Go with that. So I have I have one more thing. Um on the golf course, there's been kids taking their ebikes on the golf course and, you know, running over greens, jumping through sand traps. Hey, it's like a it's like a It's awesome. Yeah, it is.
Right. Um, but but it's also it's it's dangerous for for them getting hit by golf balls. It's they're tearing up the golf course and that kind of thing. So, I don't know. We do have folks that play golf that drive electric bikes. Um, but
they carry their clubs with them. Understood. You know, they're made for that. So, and they stay on basically try to stay on the on the pads and all. Um, and I know recently we've had some issues with a few kids going out there and doing this. So, if we can add throw
something in there on, wouldn't that be considered trespassing since they didn't pay? Yes. Yeah. But so, so we can within the laws we already have, I think we can. Yes, you can lock that in. And I I did not know that was an issue, but now that I do, we will certainly be doing
property checks out there at night and driving all the way, you know, wherever we need to drive. Um, we can handle that however. I don't think we need I just want to bring it to your attention this pretty well. I'd like to I'd like to get public comment on this.
Any Yeah, if you'd like um if you'd like public comment. Sure. John Hill and Cocoa Beach. I want to add another street that Skip has added. Uh Ocean Beach Boulevard. I'd walk the before, during, and after sunrise four
days a week, four, five, six miles and every night. And I see them on that cars, the bikes passing cars at a 25 speed limit, which cars driving over that anyway. So, need to include that street on Ocean Beach Boulevard. Some of the kids go all the way up to the Cape
Elementary School also on that. They come by morning just flying also. So, it would increase that street also. Um, I didn't chief say anything about I think he did a good presentation to educate with with all the schools about that. Let them understand it many times,
not just one day. It'll be several days. I'm sure he understands that. And uh as a survivor for 44 years from my head injury, I think I'm good. They doing something about the helmets. They need a little bit more as part of that presentation to let the kids educate about the head injury, what it can do.
I'm blessed. Most of them are not. Yeah. Thank you. And obviously it's it's a law that kids under I believe it's 16 are required to wear a helmet. So that's something that we could also add um to actually enforce the rules we already have. Uh yeah, sure sir. State your name and address please in three minutes.
Edwin Black 117 Don Road. This actually was brought up about two and a half years ago when we had this and we're told the time it's not a problem. I walk a dog day and night minute man people walking dogs. My dog's been hit twice already by people coming down once in
the day and once in the night and when they go both ways on you with the dog, they think it's fun to chase you with the dogs. So, you know, there's going to be a lawsuit and skipboarded up earlier a couple years ago when we talked about this and you had the same
idea. 35 on a sidewalk walking the dog at night with no lights on their bikes. They don't even slow down. Yeah, it's true. So, I just want to bring that up, too. Thank you, sir. Thanks, sir. All right, I'm going to close public comment on this. Does that need to be
stated with to include Oakley Boulevard? We haven't made any decisions yet, but we we we did hear your concerns, so we'll we'll consider that. Thank you. All right. Um let's So, we have consensus for for the city to move forward with that consensus to to look
forward into this. Y um All right, let's go to the next one. Move to approve. Okay. Oh, you got it first. Okay. New business item one. Approve the scope of services for engineering, design, permitting, and bidding services
in the amount of $60,572 for the Cocoal Isle Bio Retention Area Project. This is a budgeted item. Staff Representative Morgan Zulki, storm water utility manager. Recommendation approved. Move to approve as read.
Motion in a second. Any public comment? Any commission comment? All in favor? I. All right. That on the consent agenda. Okay. Item two, approve the water rescue technician course provided by the Cocoa Beach Fire Department and offer to other
to other outside agencies on water rescue techniques. Staff Representative Justin Grimes, Fire Chief. Recommendation approved. Move to approve as read. Motion. A second. And a second. Um if
you wish to present something you can uh if you guys have any questions uh I did provide everything to you. Um and really the the the thing that we just are trying to promote is public safety. Um we have a lot of agencies luckily we have a great reputation in
water rescue world and a lot of fire departments just don't offer like a standardized class. So they're coming to us on a regular basis and um a lot of towns very similar to ours that just don't have anything. So, we want to continue to spread the public safety and
if you guys know me and you've had me in uh any time during um our citizens academy, you know how passionate I am about training and all that kind of stuff. So, it's a great opportunity for other departments as well as our guys will make them better. And this would
be a non-interference basis to your normal duties and no extra charge to these other departments that you're training. Uh so, the departments Yes. So when it comes to the surrounding departments we have agreements with then we don't charge anything. We work with
them. The only thing we would ever do is offset our cost if it was a department from outside of our area. So yeah. So effective basically. Okay. But but but you do an NIB to your normal duty. So if you're doing this training and all of a sudden you have a fire and emergency or
something just suspend it. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Then they understand that. Yes. And actually go with you when when we actually do the training with like the Patrick Space Force base um they help cover so and so the surrounding departments just for
those type of reasons too and ba basically this would actually be even cheaper for us since we wouldn't be paying out to put our our personnel for training. Correct. We're going to do the class anyway because we do it every year for our personnel to continue to hold our USLA certification. So they just
join in with us. Okay. So thank you. I think this is it's a one zero. It's cost neutral for the city. Anytime you're teaching, you get better than the student does, right? And so we've got folks that are going to be some of the best out there because they're training
and they already are and they will remain. Um I think it's a brilliant idea. Thank you. Thank you guys. All right. Thanks. Appreciate it. Um so any public comment? All right, we're good to go. No. Okay. All in favor? I I. All
opposed. Motion passes. 50. Uh, city attorney. I think we're done. Oh, we did it. I think that's it. We are adjourned. Thank you all for your comments. You have to do a public comment. It's up
to you. I hate to take your time, you know. All right. This this this is it. Yeah. Go ahead. Real quick. It was public comment of something that wasn't on your agenda today. I spent two terms on the leisure services board and ironically the leisure services board came to play when the last survey
happened the big one and the last big survey was the golf course the turnout was like this actually worse maybe even at the time it was it was pretty chaotic the leisure services board was developed by the city commission skip was here Tim was here Wayne's not here he's been in
many of the meetings with it you got that's your public comment period for items like that. Send this back down to your representatives that you appointed to the leisure services board. I'm talking the marina specifically, but there's been other items in the last couple of years that
have done this too. Put that back there. Waterways, parks and wreck, the golf course, the sports complex and and leazison with the schools. So all that belongs under the leisure services department and you guys
appointed a board member. Bring that up. do your get your public comment and input. Let the heat take happen there. Then they can formulate a plan and bring it back up to here. And then when this happens, you're not at 9:30 at night voting on important stuff. Thank you.
Just wanted to recommend doing that.