##VIDEO ID:cXGybAGvRwk## yeah after the fled you have roll call First oh soll call stand in place face the flag please the United States of America stands Nation God indivisible liy and justice for all uh invocation by Pastor Keith from Club di let's pray father we thank you and bless you for the privilege and the honor to come before you this evening we thank you that you welcome us with open arms we pray for our City commissioners that you fill them with wisdom discernment that you give them clear understanding of the of the issues before them that the decisions would Prosper us our community we thank you for our City attorney and our city manag Lord let all things that have done tonight be done decently in order we thank you and ask this in Jesus name amen amen amen amen roll call commissioner Jackson here commissioner here commissioner hudon here vice mayor Williams here mayor here got a motion and second all in favor all all opposed motion passes 5 um any public comments about items that are not on the agenda Janice good evening mayor uh City staff everybody happy New Year it's uh going to be a great year Monday afternoon boy we can all cheer God Bless America so um I wanted to also uh bring a matter to your attention that a lot of us have talked about since last year and it has to do with the budget so we get a head start on looking at the budget from last year and looking at the millage okay so um some some of us have come up with some ideas but one of the things had to do with um the lifeguards that the county uh seems to still want us to pay for the lifeguards and um when I talked to the TDC and the County Commissioners and everybody about what is the problem here I mean you TR Market Cocoa Beach you should pay to protect all these people and provide uh Safety Services for them and they're like oh no coco beach general fund should be paying and so I'm like what I said you know that yes when they bring tourists here the bars the restaurants everybody makes a profit but the city uh is not managed in a for-profit model we are not for-profit only services people cannot provide for themselves so just to take a look at a couple of things in particular the county millage which we all pay as well as to the municipality is 2.92 Cocoa Beach millage is an additional 6.16 and if you go down the corridor from Patrick Air Force Space to uh I mean up the corridor down the quarter from the port to Patrick that strip is under four jurisdictions of course take out the port they do you know whatever they do they're Federal Port so we have Cape canar Avon by the Sea Coco Beach um Snug Harbor Crescent Beach and then we get to Patrick Air Force Base so we have all this administrative overhead there and I think people need to start thinking about what are we getting more than Avon by the Sea and Snug Harbor and Crescent Beach aren't getting they're getting fire protection they're getting all these things and so um you know just it's just something to have conversation about why should we be paying 6.16 more than you pay in the county um I won't make another comment here that I made somewhere else that seem to get a lot of traction but um we want people who come here to be safe and and to enjoy Coco Beach not against the businesses I want them to thrive but I don't want to pay for it thank you thank you Janice staff reports I just have one thing this evening and that is next Wednesday which is um January 22nd the uh the speed limit signs which have been blocked off for um a little bit of a while now will be exposed and the speed limit is going from 35 to 30 m an hour so um pay attention to your speed in that area okay that's all I got what on A1A yeah in Coco Beach on A1A where oh I'm sorry yeah from uh 16th Street from downtown to um where it comes back together um going south so South Orlando and South Atlantic from South First Street down to right before the base yeah not sure the exact streets but um all the signs that have been um covered up are going to be exposed on Wednesday and the speed limit which was 35 is going down to 30 thank you that actually wasn't uh a commission decision by the way um City attorney um nothing tonight thank you all City commission any reports announcements so um I had a question posed the beach crossover citizen Advisory Board had put together some um recommendations this was a little while back did we ever get to see as a commission the uh results of the citizen Advisory board or or I'm not sure exactly the name of it last thing I remember was FOC came in here and gave a presentation to the commission of exactly what those crosswalks were going to look like and if if my memory shows me correctly those plans are at 100% I think it was for the um and correct me if I'm wrong the uh like the ADA compliance and recommendations associated with the beach access crossovers I haven't seen that commissioner okay if we could take a look I don't know if it came to the commission and I wasn't here crossovers going over the dunes or cross went I think we pulled together a Citizens Advisory Board to look at that and make a recommendation things like um compliance with Ada and state and things like that um and and I believe there was even some resolutions that they had made but I'm not sure if we ever saw it be interesting to to pull that forward and just with if the time was spent we might as well get a chance to take a look at it thank you I just wish everybody a a blessed New Year anybody else you want uh yeah obviously a happy new year for everybody this is our first meeting in 2025 and hopefully in a couple months we'll be in a in a new building at the city hall um how many of you uh were woken up last night about 2:00 2:00 2:15 in the morning I I woke up before it CU I'm a nerd and wanted to watch it right cuz if you wake up from the sound of it you you've already missed it um and then there was a Starship uh launch just a couple hours ago from in Bach Chica and they're going to be bringing that here probably within a year I mean struct r guy right yeah it's already ready to go um they weren't as they were actually as as successful is uh blue origin because half of it worked and half of it didn't so uh but that rocket is going to be even louder than the one from last night so yeah get ready for that to happen um it's it's exciting and like oh little anxiety all still at the same time so um but uh again it's glad to be I'm glad to be here and here we go move on I just want to remind the uh the police chief and the city manager that we wanted to in God we trust on the our police vehicles so try to make sure that happens eventually and um uh I guess that's it for me all right the city commission will temporarily recess and then will reconvene as the Coco Beach downtown community redevelopment Agency for the following items okay item G Community there we go oh community redevelopment agency CRA item one requesting the commission to consider funding for Coca Beach Main Street representative Kenny Wells um coko Beach Main Street director staff representative Devon tally Deputy Finance director happy New Year everyone so last time I was here you had asked for a report and we've put together for you you did have copies of it in your packets or your mail so I don't know if you've already glanced over this or not but we're going to take a quick trip through just recapping Cocoa Beach main streets activities and budget for 2024 um if you read in your packet there's just some information about what Main Street is and about what our mission is our team because we do have board of directors uh we have 11 people on our board this is our executive board and a list of the board members our community impact um we started doing surveys every quarter asking the businesses how our events impacted them and what we're doing and so we're starting to get those fig figures and we'll keep them compiled ongoing through this year as well our cost of operations um this lists out everything that we do our expenses uh something that's really important I feel like is our volunteer hours we have to do a report to the state every quarter and they monitor what are they want to know what our volunteer hours are um and different information like that is collected they figure it on a um I think it's $33.75 per hour we had an average of 168 hours a month with all of our events so that totals up to be $67,500 for the year just in volunteer hours that the state credits us with credits us on paper not monetarily of course um our future impact and what we're doing the um brick sales uh really saved our life this year the end of the year that was great putting us to where we could meet our budget so that was that was huge and um that is all done now and sent in and hopefully in a couple months we'll have the bricks back and be ready to get them installed we sold almost 700 W so I thought that was that was really good I hope all of you guys got one and ladies got one and then this is just our role as um Cocoa Beach Main Street and what we do a lot of our impact mirrors the city CRA and what our mission and what our role as Main Street is with the revitalization of downtown that is what our main goal is doing events and activities is a way for us to continue going it's part of the impact but we work very closely with the businesses and we also have business Liaisons in addition more volunteers that go out and stay in touch with the with the businesses um volunteer driven and our Partnerships for the community and for the city everyone all the volunteers at Main Street they do it for the love of Coco Beach and we want to see it thriving we we all live here we want it to be self- sustaining as far as the businesses go so we're constantly bringing people downtown to get into our shops and restaurants to keep them thriving um example just last year we had three new businesses that moved in town from other local um areas because Coco Beach is a place to be and we feel really proud to be a part of that movement that is bringing people down here and bringing new business down here we're looking into 2025 some of our new things we're going to do is the artwave festival uh we are partnering with the city the cities have asked us to help with a sentinal celebration which we're really excited about that's going to be a crazy fun weekend and then following up with the air show the next weekend so we've moved Friday Fest around a couple times to make sure that we have a street party going for these events you know our goal is more education to the community as to who we are um our business Liaisons more of a digital presence you can you know follow here more fundraisers and we do partner with Coco Beach High School and Junior High um we work very closely with them and we're trying to work on now getting a mini Cocoa Beach um organization and have the kids learn all about being in a 501c3 and Robert's Rules and fundraising and all that good stuff and then these are our members most of them and um they support annually with a membership and that's it so any questions question for uh Finance Director City Manager anybody has a on the top of their tongue because I don't have the city budget what's our current budget allotment for 2025 for Main Street general fund 15 15,000 15 I think it's general fund is 15 CRA 15,000 between the CRA and the general fund we didn't do a CRA we just did uh general fund 15,000 de tally Deputy Finance director yes the 15,000 is in the general fund budget the CRA at this time currently has no budget for Main Street so these funds that are being requested would you guys would have to decide if you want CRA to provide those funds but right now they are unbudgeted it is something that we could look into going into our current budget season to put in there if we'd like but as of right now the 15,000 is in the fy2 budget for Main Street in the general fund so without looking at your books which I guess you could do um so would the um CRA budget be allowed to and have enough funding to add another $25,000 to the to the 15,000 that's going from the general fund the 25,000 from the CRA toward Main Street we could contribute 25,000 I'd have to take it from another line item from one of our C accounts and if that line item was something like the piggy bank for the parking garage long-term maintenance and repairs would you feel that you were going to be in a deficit going forward um if I had to take 25,000 from the C fund I wouldn't take it from that I would most likely have to go into our facade grant program because it's Grant other AIDS I could take 25,000 from that because as right now the 200,000 that's been approved no businesses have come forward to apply yet there's been some inquiries but no official applications to bring to the SI board so if I had to pick somewhere to take it from I could take it from there but the preference would be to wait into the new budget season and formally request it and have commission approve it that way well to keep the main stre program moving I'd like to make a motion that we direct the CRA Finance uh accountant to reappropriate $25,000 from the uh facade grant program to the Main Street program so that would be 15,000 plus another 25 which would be $40,000 I look for second a second got a motion in a second got some public comment here yeah thank you thank thank you see you tomorrow night better hang around Janice Scott yes Janice Scott Coco Beach um this is sort of the tip of the iceberg you know when Main Street came here I thought perhaps there would be an intro of when the program first started here 8 or 10 years ago the city was going to give them seed money and they were going to make their own way and that the person who came from Fort Pierce gave a big pitch to me personally of how successful that had been in Fort Pierce um okay it's a 501c3 not for profit I don't think it's the business of government to keep giving our tax money you're taxing us but to provide services not to support 501 c3s not for profit um corporations they are supposed to be making their own way here okay there we have also the chamber I don't know if the city is still a member of the Coco Beach area Chamber of Commerce we have the TDC to give grants they're getting tax money indirectly as well I just think this is terrible and I don't think you should fund even the 15,000 thank you thank you Janice Morgan Schneider mar mar Marge sorry um Margaret Schneider 191 seminol Lane I'll preface my remarks by saying I don't agree with the previous speaker I'm here tonight both as a resident and a member of the Coco Beach Main street board of directors to urge the commission to provide much needed funding for Coco Beach Main Street Main Street I have discovered that many of our residents actually think that Coco Beach Main Street is a part of city government and as such our events including Friday Fest Christmas cookie crawl tree and tree lighting Winterfest Sip and stroll artwave and petfest are fully funded by the city as you know we're an independent 501c3 with a mandate to organize a variety of events geared to contributing to a community life style we can all enjoy and be proud of we have one paid staffer who works tirelessly throughout the year we have a board of a dozen volunteers and additional 30 to 40 resident volunteers all of who give up their time and talent to ensure that every event is successful enjoyable and benefits the community every penny we earn through our events is put right back into our bank account to cover budgeted expenses we absolutely do not have the luxury of frivolous spending since Coco Beach is primarily a residential Community with many small businesses we are seriously restricted in our efforts to fund raise large corporations with substantial community relations dollars we raise as much as we can but it just isn't enough to sustain our budget and allow us to continue to provide these much needed and enjoyed events on an ongoing basis I trust the commission will recognize the many and major contributions of Coco Beach Main Street to preserving our unique co coco beach lifestyle and authorize a level of subsidy that is critically needed and would be much appreciated I also appreciate the uh commissioner Williams motion thank you thank you for this opportunity to speak than March nen Hill hi just for context I moved here 5 years ago from Denver Colorado and I'm a retired construction owner business and um then so my name is naen Hill but some people may know me as naen still because I've moderated a Coco Beach locals page which I helped take from 20 to 45,000 people by curating the content but um I've been all over the United States and been to so many communities and I have never seen a community organiz ganization work as hard as these Cocoa Beach Main Street people I just have fallen in love with them and volunteer just as much as I possibly can you know people talk about the Magic Kingdom in Orlando well the magic doesn't stop in Orlando you come out to Coco Beach Coco Beach and we have the sunrises we have the surfers we have surfing Santas we have the air show we have the uh boat show or boat races and we have Friday Fest in m Street they went from 200 cookies for the cookie crawl up to 400 so what they are providing is uh Community quality uh experience and the magic to me is when I volunteer at the Coco Beach uh by the main street festival and I see families pushing strollers going up and talking to other families and with ice cream running down the little kids faces while they bop to the music and we can thank all this community quality experience a lot of towns don't have this I've been to towns Across the Nation they maybe have one event a year but this is happening month monthly in addition to the others so I'm just requesting that the uh the city continue to fund this just like they would fund a tennis court or the skate park something that brings quality uh experiences to our families our children and I have no skin in this game no business is here my grandkids all live in Colorado but I just would like to to see the kids still having a good time at Friday Fest that means a lot thank you thank you all right that concludes our public comment commission comment yeah I'll just say a couple things so I first of all I love cook I love what you guys do with the the mission I have a concern um we had talked I think October early last year said that we were verbally in next year's budget the 15K from general fund was going to be zero so if we sub plus that up from 25k from the CRA and this brick event is a $60,000 Revenue that's a one-time event I'm hearing there's still going to be a $35,000 hole to fill next year if we're only giv them 25 well we're giving them 40,000 this year I think the is counted in this report is that right the 15K Grant from general fund if we plus that up another 25 from the CRA the Brick's not going to happen next year necessarily unless we give about 40,000 worth of police and fire for the year plus we give them about a thou 12,000 a year for rent for office all the in kind service services are not built in here stand by motion I I personally I like Main Street I like the fact that um you know the togetherness the community uh that it that it brings together everybody gets to see each other hang out I'm I'm fully in support of of funding the police and fire this the public safety I think is something that we we owe to the to the um to the residents um and then also now we'll be able to give them a stage in a in a safe space the uh Centennial Square um I have no problem with giving them the office uh because it's space that we're not really using anyways um but I do feel that it should I don't feel that the city the resident should subsidize um the parties on top of it but that's just my my personal opinion uh anybody else uh yeah definitely um so we go back 12 years before uh coka Beach Main Street had Friday Fest those other groups that were running Friday Fest and we offered them we actually offered them $25,000 a year to run a Friday Fest and you think well why would we do something like that well it it benefits the entire Community all the businesses downtown are waiting for that Friday Fest they they're looking forward to Friday Fest when it happens if the weather starts to change on a you know Friday morning like oh my gosh it's going to we're going to get rained out those businesses are like we got people we've got we our employees we got coming in and we got this we got not just Staffing but we've got product and all this ready to go they're disappointed you why they're disappointed because they're making a lot of money so we're generating not just we're not we're not giving money or or supporting Main Street we're supporting the community not just the businesses either because Main Street is more than just the businesses downtown uh by offering this the Friday Fest and the other events that they have um they give other nonprofits opportunities to make money Kanas rotary uh Elks every sporting group at at the Coca Beach High School the different clubs at koca Beach High School a minimum of $1,000 every Friday then well there's we don't have 12 Friday Fest a year because of rain outs and whatnot I think it's like 10 so there's $10,000 that just goes from Main Street into clubs for your kids for all your kids so we're talking taking $225,000 out of a CRA account that is has $200,000 in it that nobody's using I mean we're offering uh facade grants up to $200,000 and they've got a match of course um so if they want to have us you know do a change of facade they've got to put 10,000 in we'll we'll cover 10,000 and so on but it's still money coming from the CRA that's not being used it it's just beyond me to think that you would wouldn't want to do that um and to go back even further when we started Main Street I was on the commission when Main Street was in was initiated and it wasn't a hey we're going to give you seed money until you get going no it is a it is a symbiotic relationship with this with the city cooka Beach Main Street or any Main Street USA it's it's a relationship with the city with the businesses and with the residents of kocab beach it's a three-fold um entity basically and that's where it should have stayed I don't know where we got where where we came from to say that oh well we were only going to do that for a couple years that was that was that is not the case um so this money that we we um supplementing or say supplementing or not supplementing it's it's it's part of the community and I think it should it should enhance as you all mentioned you love going to Friday Fest but coca Beach Main Street isn't all about Friday Fest they do a lot of other things they help bring businesses to Coco Beach they are liaison between the businesses and the business department of of downtown Coco Beach and they help they help um kind of transition bringing new businesses in and and and teaching them how to how to um negotiate with the city um although that's getting much it's a lot better than it was 10 or 12 years ago as Kenny can can uh respond to that um so I I am 100% for this um and thank you uh commissioner Williams for uh for offering the the 25,000 out of the CRA um and uh I'm voting for it quick question does uh anybody know how much we use on that facade Grant last year I I know we've probably approved at least aund 125 I think out of the 200,000 we budgeted last year um we committed 130,000 that was how many facade grants that we had and then some of those were carry forward requests that you approved because we spilled over fiscal years by the time they were approved and then started thank you anybody else have any comments or question yeah I I agree with a number of the comments that were made I think uh I think everybody agrees that Main Street offers incredible value to the city and that short of Main Street we've been willing to look elsewhere and put forward significant amount of money to bring that value to the residents so I think uh we we've got to decide probably the first is is a binary decision of if we don't fund it sufficiently does it go away and if it goes away are we okay with that right and so it sounds like the answer is no so we we need to work on something that makes it work um one of the things in just learning a little bit I'm not an expert on Main Street and there are a lot smarter folks in the room on Main Streets than I am but kind of putting the numbers together in terms of what the city puts forward um and commissioner Hutson mentioned that I think we zeroed out the the the grant value in the following year so if you accept that from the value of the 25 proposed by commissioner Williams the 40,000 for police and these are rough numbers I think you were using and the 15 for facilities you come in around 80,000 from the city total and if if we look at the the amount of self-generated Revenue and and I think it's fair to say the the Brick event was brilliant like brilliant um probably not something we can count on every year but if they can do it right um but if you back out that the 60-ish thousand between revenue uh vendor fees and sales revenue it puts it about 82,000 self-generated right um what I was looking at in terms of Main Streets and similar cities is that the rule is kind of a third a third a third is what they try to Target and if we look at the private contributions membership sponsorships uh cont contributions it puts us at about 36 for that that third right um and so wondering if the city work to match where Main Street is self-generating revenue um are there things that could be done by Main Street to find that remaining um you know fully funded third there's about 40,000 short on memberships sponsorships and contributions I don't know what that looks like but that's definitely an area where to to commissioner hutson's point with if the city steps up and puts in the additional from the CRA I I think there's a challenge there for Main Street of to be in that balance third a third a third there needs to be an increase in private contributions to to really have it be in a balanced Main Street poliy good comment um you know uh Tim was here when Main Street came to fruition and there was kind of a for OD uh language that we heard that oh you see them $50,000 a year for a few years and then you taper off and then they're self- sustaining well come to find out in this in this time frame is that was never really the way main streets work and you were talking third or third or third so um the the CRA funding goes through 2032 no your head 2032 2033 2033 so that money from the C from The increased property values in the CRA district is always going to go into the CRA there's nothing we can do about it unless we disband the CRA why would we do that you know and give up that funding so it's actually no additional cost to the residents because we already you know voted in the CRA years ago there no additional cost to allow that 25,000 to come from the facade grant program to go into Main Street what we do in 2033 I don't know um I won't be here I may be alive but I won't be sitting up here I don't think so um but as a um as other my fellow commissioner said you know that it may be challenging for Main Street okay well everybody should be up for a good challenge I think we've all faced challenges in our lifetimes um so I'd like to go ahead and solidify this 25,000 uh tonight and get the votes to do that and have Main Street work that challenge and if they get to the point where they come back and they're in the red and they're going to have the fold and whatever we'll look at it at a later date but I don't believe that they're going to um sit on their hands and not try to make up that Delta so that they can continue and maybe be looking for about the same amount of funding again next year so I would wish that at least one more I I can see two Commissioners myself and commissioner taly that seem to be leaning toward voting for this and I'd be looking for one more vote okay um all in favor I all opposed nay motion passes 32 yeah um and I would I would ask hey or or level the challenge um for private contributions if you guys could really scrub hard you know shoot for the Moon look for where you could say how could we between memberships sponsorships and contributions Find 43 and really balance out that third a third a third I think it would be incredible thank you thank you thank you joh thank you all right we will convene for the remaining items consent agenda okay this is uh the consent agenda item one approve the December 5th 2024 commission meeting minutes staff representative city clerk Department item two approve the following meeting date Tuesday March 4th 2025 at 6: p.m town hall meeting item three request approval for the city to enter into contract negotiations with selected firms for a cb25 002 continuing public Management Services the two firms are capital strategic Solutions and in Novo Partners LLC staff representative D Devin tally Deputy Finance director Wayne Caro City Manager approve the consent agenda is R I think it includes the board appointments though does it yeah yeah I guess it does but I thought we okay you're going to read them so everybody listen up I'll earn my money here okay you go um item four board board appointments Board of Adjustment reappoint John Cabo serve a term ending November 2028 seat one mayor capes reappoint Ron Boger to serve a term ending November 2028 seat 2 commissioner Jackson appoint Don Haynes to serve attorney ending November 2028 seat three commissioner tal appoint Carolyn Wess is alternate to serve a term ending in November 2028 seat for vice mayor Williams planning board reappoint Matt schar to serve a term ending November 2028 seat 2 commissioner Jackson appoint John bouta to serve a term ending November 2028 seat 3 commissioner tal added 115 25 appoint Margaret Schneider to serve as alternate a term and ending in November 2028 seat three commissioner tal added 1525 appoint Mike Miller to serve as alternate a term ending in November 2028 seat for vice mayor Williams sustainable land advisory committee appoint Jamie glaner to serve a term ending in November 2026 seat one mayor capes appoint James Keith capes to serve a term ending in November 2028 seat to commissioner Jackson appoint Carol Cruz to serve a term ending in November 2026 seat for vice mayor Williams appoint whan LA to serve a term ending November 2026 seat five commissioner Hutcherson Leisure Advisory Board reappoint Mike bradoock to serve a term ending in November 2028 seat 2 commissioner Jackson appoint Greg Lun to serve a term ending in November 2028 seat three commissioner tal added 11525 appoint J caps to serve a term ending in November 2028 seat 1 mayor capes is that J Cole J Cole I screwed up that's J Cole c i J Cole I I when I texted it I texted a CO appoint Jay Cole to serve a term ending in November 2028 seat one mayor capes that's it for a motion to approve the consent agenda I'll make a motion to approve the consent agenda I'll second Motion in a second all in favor I all right motion passes 5 unfinished business okay item one discuss the design and construction budget for fire station 5050 staff repr representative Jeremy Hutcherson commissioner recommendation reconsider path forward for fire station 50 I move to approve the design path forward and capping the construction budget at 3 million look for a second okay no second okay anybody want to discuss item two item two pass the G or item two because it dies for a lack of second so uh item two okay this is item two discuss pedestrian bicycle striping on the multi-use path along Minute Men Causeway staff representative Wayne kajino city manager total cost 2009 $90 recommendation discuss and provide a decision on whether or not to move forward move to discuss The Pedestrian bicycle striping second on the multi-use path minut man Cosby got a motion a second any public comment about uh striping on the sidewalks to keep the pedestrians and the bikes from each other Rick Anderson 1800 minut men caway happy New Year everybody um I thought that was a great idea when I think commissioner Hutcherson proposed it but when I looked at that sidewalk I'm just wondering if it's actually wide enough for for two distinct Lanes um the ebikes take up quite a bit of um quite quite a bit of width in the lane and I'm I'm just wondering if if a solid stripe down the middle may or may be more um a safety hazard than a safety help because it it is a very narrow sidewalk thank you any other public comment any commission comment personally I appreciate what Rick is saying um I think the narus may actually lend itself to the intent of the striping um I think it's a very low cost uh just really insightful approach um would love to see if it takes effect if it's a miss we learn from it and we move on but for the the little bit invested to uh address a a major public safety issue we've heard from residents we've had people get hit people knocked over we've got to start taking positive steps and you do that by taking action implementing something learning from it and continuing to iterate so I'm I I I think what commissioner Hutson has put forward is very smart and I'll add to that yes Reck it's going to be two narrow Lanes but it's a it's a it's telling the people in the ebikes to stay on their side now if they're like you know having to really pay attention to stay on their side when they're passing people walking or skateboarding or whatever on the other side then when it opens up then they can relax and get a little closer to the center but when they see people coming they need to get back in their Lane so it wouldn't be a continuous Hazard where there's not going to be cops out there saying you cross the line you don't have your turn signal on you're going to jail you know so I think it's a good I good thing to try I would just maybe add on to that maybe a couple signs that says uh bikes yield to pedestrians something like that just I think I think that might be a good idea idea as well but I'm I'm also in favor of this I like it so uh all in favor um I think this is probably a good step you know to to put this line down there but as as was mentioned it is very narrow um so you're you stay on the right cuz we drive on the right side of the road so people are walking on the right side of this path and a ebike is coming up at 30 m hour behind them do they go across that line and go into the oncoming traffic do they go in the grass or hit a sign that says stay in your lane no no no the way it's Invision one side it's going to be if you're going toward the high school it might be like you're driving in the United States you're on your ebike on the right hand side of the road if you're coming the other way the ebike Lane's going to be on the left I would propose too I would I would suggest maybe that the The Walking Lane would be a little narrower than the than the bike lane just something to think about but I mean I think I I think one of the key messages of this is the words that says dual usage path I don't think it's necessarily delineating but that's just my opinion I think I give the kids Fai you know I try to trust the kids I think a lot of just aren't aware that hey this is not acceptable to go zoom and by people and this is an easy way to just say hey it's more of an education thing absolutely $2,000 I mean I see I I you know I uh had a conversation with a student today who was in an accident he was in an accident a couple months ago a serious accident and he came flying up in his on his ebike without a helmet on like he's already hit his head on one of the poles out there yet he oh I left it at home like oh okay well there you go so is it is it parenting is it uh I mean that's a big part of it um that's what we've got to deal with uh do we have to make a rule for absolutely everything can we we can't make everything safe we can't there's no way we can you know bubble wrap the community right going bubble wrap every poll and sign and everything out there can't do that saying it's not a law it's just a I I I I understand and I agree and and I'm with you there's more we can do and going forward I want to do more and maybe that's another item that we have later on in this meeting that we can discuss some of the other stuff that uh might happen but initially absolutely we have to do something there's no Pride ownership here if it doesn't work we can try something else we have to do something Police Commissioner I something com good evening West mull police chief um happy New Year so my only concern I love theide idea I think it's an important I think we should move forward with it I just have a question for Becky specifically about enforcement of enforcement right so what what is the voluntary okay and that's fine I just want to make sure that we're on the same page there right so voluntary okay as long as we're all agreed that that's a voluntary uh step that they can take then that's great but if we're expecting some sort of enforcement on top of those signage of that signage then that's something that we need to discuss by ordinance or whatever else am I correct on that we can't enforce it unless we have an ordinance cor that lays out exactly what we're enforcing right okay I'm not looking for a new law let's say let's say we passed this backy and then somebody that's in the walking Lane gets hit by a bike in the bike lane because they moved over a little too far is there a possibility for some kind of liable lawsuit that they say oh yeah I mean people are going to sue over absolutely everything and they're going to grab it everything that they can to have a basis for a lawsuit is there anything that the city can put in writing to say that this is a voluntary compliance and that we're indemnified of any accidents might happen while we're trying to actually make things better you had the word suggested or something I don't know suest yeah walk and ride at your own risk I guess no I'm I'm just say think put there W actually I have a question for you and somebody get somebody walking hits a bike or somebody on a bike hit somebody walking is that going to increase our liability for the city I don't believe so but you know when when people file suit they use the shotgun approach and they sue everybody which would probably include the city but they'd probably sue the city anyway well right now if that happened they wouldn't they wouldn't be able to say there was a line and they crossed the line and hit me no I I agree with you on that but what they would say is that the sidewalks too uh small and and Coco beach allows pedestrians and bicyclists to use the same sidewalk I mean there are all kinds of arguments lawyers will come up with okay I I would like to I would like to add an amendment to the motion that we don't actually do it you know we go forward with planning to do it but we don't go do the painting until after our next meeting and give Becky a chance to hash out whatever she thinks we could do to to maybe indemnify ourselves a little bit for doing this please Becky I I would be happy to look at that okay so that's my Amendment I'm looking for a second so oh so let me get this but you want to fund it but not execute until investigation second there's a second um real quick uh Chief did are you working with the schools with the uh Elementary school or high school at all what to help um maybe bicycle and sidewalk safety courses or can we can we somehow try to see if we can make that work we can um we have new SRO there this year but we can what we have done proactively is we've stationed officers if anybody's seen them specifically in the Cedar Minuteman area we've made a lot of proactive stops there based on citizen complaints uh we've had a lot of uh a lot of proactive enforcement and a lot of compliance um we have noticed speeds down I'm not saying we can catch them all we haven't caught all all the little gangs yet the little ebike gangs uh but we're working hard towards it um ebikes are a problem I'm aware of it uh we have been proactive in the enforcement of it I can get the SRO in the schools to be more active yes I'd like to see something kind of like Driver's Ed but for for bikes basic they they actually have the B and pedestrian uh unit as part of the Space Coast Transportation Planning organization and they're more than willing to come to any school anytime to talk to students we can reach out to TPO and get that done yes sir please do y we can get that done because they're professionals they do this around the county y year round we're all about it anything else okay thank you that was it thank you Chief um one other question about your well your Amendment uh what do you what do you guys feel as far as maybe putting some signs with it that says uh Bic bicycles yield to pedestrians let's let's wait till Becky looks at it and she may say if you put the signs up you're less indentified than they were if you don't put the signs up or whatever we can always add the signs only if those signs go on polls that are already there okay you don't want to add any new polls I agree with that I like that to that area all foot down okay I support that though just look this course um would you would you mind adding that to the amendment that uh if there's any signs that are nearby she's going to look into everything that could help City something happens from putting these lines in sounds good whether it's signs or favor public notice in the newspaper or whatever all in favor of funding and letting Becky look into it further goes with his vote on the amendment then you vote on the main motion okay we vote on the amendment are we okay with that all in favor I I okay all in favor with the motion a main motion main motion I my main I I all opposed all right passes 5 on both all right um new business okay new business item one approve the scope of services and fee estimate from Meade and Hunt to perform engineering and design for three lift station Rehabilitation projects and por Canaveral sewer Force M air release valve replacement project total amount is 297,000 $211 these are budgeted items staff representative Brad cowo Water Reclamation director proove K1 is written or is read second got a motion a second any public comment any commission comment all in favor I I all opposed motion passes 5 uh number two okay item two approved construction budget $350,000 for Holiday Lane boat ramp project representative Jeremy Hutcherson commissioner recommendation approve move to discuss to discuss and potentially approve second got a motion second to discuss improve any public comment go ahead art our hitch uh 141 Ester Drive Coco Beach uh first I would like to thank Wayne for addressing some of the issues that we've had there that the ramp had a severe drop off and he did take attention and temporarily help us out with that because I did break the springs on my boat trailer going off that one time uh the questions I have basically when I look at this agenda summary it doesn't say anything when I look at the the construction budget it just shows a figure what I would like to know is what is entailed in this project is the boat ramp going to be torn apart rebuilt is the the RightWay entrance is that going to be uh paved or or fixed or whatever uh I realize that the RightWay easement is very very small and I know in the past I think that the city kind of said they would not advert ize that heavily as a public boat ramp because it's a small access and you're not going to be able to put any boat over probably 30 foot using that ramp with the access that we have right now but as living there and originally that boat ramp was not the city's property it's in my deed it's in everybody's Deed on Esther drive and also on holiday and the city took it from us I think about 10 years ago 15 years ago and it hasn't been till recently that uh anything has been done thankfully Wayne has seen the problems there and tried to address it temporarily until we find out what's going on one other issue with the whole thing on Esther drive that a lot of people don't know as a property owner I own halfway to the center of the canal it's in my survey and everybody from my property up to the boat ramp owns rights to the I'm paying taxes on on 40 ft of water so you know that's another consideration to take but what is going to be done what is the scope of the project what is the money going to be spent for thank you art can I can I interject um the only thing I'm going to support for that project is to we basically have to take out the exist most of the existing ramp at least all of it that's underwater okay and then um engineer uh some preformed pieces of concrete the width of the ramp long enough and where they can be placed and interconnected to give a long enough ramp to meet the the bottom of the canal okay as far as finger docks no finger dock on the North side and I went out and talked to Mr zazelle went in his backyard there was like 4 foot of room for a finger dock that would actually start on the land side before you could walk right onto his property so there won't be any finger Ducks there haven't been finger ducks and uh people have been able to get their boats and their kayaks in and out of the water um I believe you know a lot of boat trailers are drive on now and usually after you get all set up you have somebody on the boat you're back in they start up the boat you know it's it's running you do a little disconnect back in pop the brakes they slide off you take your boat in your trailer back home and they go meet you at the house and you guys go boating so the other thing that I would support is um uh ordinance for that particular area the easement the 15t easement and the 20 footer on the on the North side where you have just enough room to you know cut up and back in a trailer um to have an ordinance that says no unoccupied vehicles and have a substantial fine at least $250 and vehicles will be towed that way um first of all there's not room you park a couple cars up there then you can't even get get up there the boat trailer to put your boat in the water so in the case I gave you before where people went up they backed their trailer in somebody was on the boat they took the boat home somebody else took the car home no you don't have any unoccupied vehicles coming so instead of having no parking where somebody might be parked long enough to go unhook their boat you know you're calling that parking you know cuz the cars didn't park so it is parked I want to go with no unoccupied Vehicles hey and at least a $250 fine and if we have enough commission Williams commission sorry to interrupt this is public comment this is public I wanted to explain it before we get more public comment with the exact same what is it I I've allowed it so okay sorry helpful my mistake mayor if helpful I can give a few bullet points to clarify it may save a lot of time fin the end's of comments and um go ahead real quick yeah so thank you sir for that I you know my intention here was to provision the money totally valid comment and I've from a design side I've only ever seen this as just a maintenance no growing you know capability or dock it's just making it more sa safer and more reliable so certainly no I completely respect your rights I don't want folks you know thinking it's a commercial ramp but I thought was interesting I submitted this on Sunday night again my intent was to provision the money piece of it because we had an underrun on completely separate project and allocate that for the construction the the commission already approved the design so I didn't think it was prudent to design it and not have money to do anything with it on the construction side but I found it interesting Sunday night I submitted this to the city and Tuesday morning I'm already getting nasty grams with completely false information so I don't know even how it got into public domain of all these narratives that I had no input on no one reached out to me on any of that but there was all over Facebook of commercial operations and none of that came from me so I just I appreciate the comment but that's the Genesis of just carving out the money and lay in place I think there's plenty of comments that can fill in the gaps there there's already a sign up there saying no commercial use got you know and like you said there's been rumors that some kayak company or somebody would start using it or somebody else but it's not the easement right now for what I have a copy of the original easement we we're aware of that yeah it's there's not enough room for any of that but let's let's keep going we got a lot of comments okay thank you thank you right noted um Tom Coons hello my name is Tom Coons I live on Holiday Lane uh my family and I on Holiday Lane um we're Abit boers but we do not live on the water so that that ramp is very important to us we've been using it um for 16 years I've been living on that street for 16 years I've been here in Coco Coco Beach excuse me for three decades um the ramp is our main access to to the Lagoon we we uh we're not able to use ramp Road uh ramp road is a great ramp I got to say it's done well you got guys really did that one good but it takes me an hour to get to my neighborhood from there because it's all idle speed all the way around to get all the way back to where I'm at right and uh also the uh 520 ramp too shallow I can't I I don't have a big boat I have a 21 foot boat and uh you know it's it's too shallow to launch air I'm not going to back my boat my truck into the water so that that's just out so that's the only ramp that I can use and I think there's a lot of residents that are in the same situation that I am so that that only leaves that ramp there uh that ramp also uh it's it's been there forever it's been there a long time as long as I've been there and and really like I say I've been here 30 years it's been there um uh the the the residents that don't live on the water really don't have that access that that the people on the water do but the but honestly that that ramp that ramp uh it's it it's like the ramp that I use it's the ramp that all my friends that you in our neighborhood uses and uh without it we we'd be in trouble we we would have to go really to ramp Road and then it it's it's a lot different so um uh what I want to say though is there there's a lot of false information out there that I've seen on Facebook and I've seen everywhere and and it kind of worries me because people have been really spreading these these uh falsehoods about you know they're they're going to increase the the footprint they're going to uh you know uh uh uh do all these other things that are I I I find are are not true I've spoke with several people and uh uh we've been trying to get that ramp repaired for 6 years 6 years ago I think was when we first started to get it repaired when I go there my boat actually drops off the end of the ramp before I'm deep enough to even launch and uh I have a friend that also broke a spring there and all those things are are very you know concerning to me because that's my only access so thank you yes sir thank you all right umake up Juliet Goodman just want to remind everybody that we've got three minutes for public comment hello thank you guys for being here and happy New Year as everyone keeps saying so that's a good thing um I live on Holiday Lane uh four houses from the boat ramp we have two boats we moved specifically to Coco Beach from Orlando cuz we wanted to be on the water we have two boats we've spent a lot of money putting our boat docks and all that stuff because it's important to us we use that ramp all the time it is a mess it is kind of usable if you can make it work and I do appreciate when the additional stuff was um put in the dump trucks were full of The Rock and stuff cuz that made a huge difference but it's swallowed out a little bit again because the same tracks go down I am all in favor of making improvements to it my only concern of course is not knowing what the plan is but thank you for replying to my email today that talked about just doing maintenance to it and not expanding it not making intimate domain to take people's land to put a second stall in and all the stuff which has been talked about in our neighborhood um so just improving what's already there so we don't have to use the engines to take effort off of the axle to not rip our axle off when we pull the boat out that would be a plus my only concern is spending taxpayer money that could be appropriated other way other appropriate places sorry um cuz I've seen preliminary parking plans of the new Marcato and there is going to be very little access so if there is not enough access for boats 21 feet and above to pull in with their trailers and trucks whatever they're pulling and back in then there's not really a reason to improve a boat ramp that no one can use besides kayaks and 13t skips that's my only concern um I'm hoping that there is a better plan than the one that I've the only one I've seen on Coco Beach uh building Department's website of the uh layout for the Marcato because that gives us a 30ft strip in and then a 30ft strip Maybe 60 ft which is pretty hard to line up a boat to be able to back it down so I would love to see what the Improvement plan is for the ramp but also love to see what that final approved plan is for the Marcato parking lot to see what's actually worth it thank you comment first um Jack kers bom good evening it's nice to be here and not be a lawyer um it's hard to be against something when you don't know what that something is but it's even harder to be for something when you don't know what that something is some years ago the city made a request of the Florida Inland navigational District to fund improvements to that ramp and it was um a big deal it was going to be a big deal with finger piers and a lot of other stuff and so um everybody wants that ramp improved but it depends on how you define Improvement the ramp itself certainly as everybody's already said here really needs to be improved but if you um look at the plans of Marcato the fact that there's no parking there there's no restrooms there um I'm not even sure the city owns the ramp not and so I don't I didn't do a title search on it but there's there's all kinds of questions the owners of the houses on Esther do own a significant portion of the canal and so um my sister is the first house right there at the bottom of the ramp and her concern is um that because there is no plan there is a great fear as to what the impacts will be if something is done there if you're going to fix the ramp I think everybody would be delighted but you're going to have to Overlay Marcato on that little easement that's there and really decide um how to spend the money that you're allocating there and I think that's the greatest concern um there there's great ramps on on on ramp Road unfor South there's a great ramp out there on 520 and when the city was doing its dredging project at the end of Coco Isles and the dredging company was using that Landing there um a lot of kayak companies started using that for their commercial operations so you put them all out at the rec center at the Pavilion which with the floating docks there's there's plenty of access for those commercial operations but if this became another one of those then it would be a problem I don't know that you're headed that way I don't know what you plan to do there um but I would really like um and my sister would really like to see what the plan is for the project so she can be for it or against it and uh I use that ramp all the time um it's a it's a great convenient neighborhood ramp and as long as it stays a great convenient neighborhood ramp the city has another great asset um and so did the Neighbors thanks thank you Jack Orson uh or sorry 178 June drive so sounds like the Marcato comes up a lot I think um um one thing to point out I think I sent you all their email from last summer um when you guys were going through the process of the 2025 budget and you put 75k in uh it sounds like they're very supportive of the boat ramp uh I think they even said that maybe there's an obligation that it this area needs to be maintained per the easan I don't know you know Becky probably knows better um I think um I've personally spoken to one of the representatives and um he's Pro booer he owns tour boats uh and when he was proposing the Marcado he actually met with the community when they very very beginning he met with residents um Tom and Anette and a bunch of us and uh to present the plans and of course we were we said to him like Hey you know what about the boat ramp and he's like he's like I want you guys to continue to use that I want to work with you all I want make sure that that access is is always there for the community uh so the only thing I mention is that I mean when it comes to community boat ramp I mean I think this is the only boat ramp that has actually had like organized cleanups we've literally mobilized when it was really trashed uh it was overgrown I we even had the owner of like four hotels show up in his um fancy Mower and mowed it for us one time uh Tom Heron uh I see some of my fellow neighbors here I mean picking we've picked up trash it really is a ramp I mean we we take care of it um I don't know if there's communities to take care of ramp ramp Road or or Bicentennial but I mean everyone really cares about it um it's truly just for the locals everyone's pointed out there's no parking no one wants parking no one wants finger peers no one wants commercial activity I mean sounds like everyone's pretty much in agreement we just want it fixed up been working on this for six years I know Wayne and I probably talked a few Sundays a few times about it um it is expensive no one one but ramps are not cheap I mean I think it was probably cheaper to fix 5 six years ago now it's more expensive and I'm sure in 3 four more years it'll be even more expensive but I do think you can save some money um you know Joshua came down uh to met with some of us and you know he saw the ramp is very wide it's a ramp that is probably oversized for what we really need which is just a single truck and trailer I think if you meet with some contractors there may be an opportunity to narrow the ramp some might save on some costs there's also a sewer outfall um or not sewer but storm water outfall that probably needs to be rehabilitated maybe there's some funding to fix that at the same time as the ramp just some ideas on maybe how to control cost on this because I totally get it I mean it's they are expensive and we have a lot of very expensive amenities I think I'm standing in one right now that's very expensive uh and I and I know boat ramps are expensive as well but you know the good thing is though as boat ramps we make this investment 20 or 30 years it's not a lot of Maintenance I know a lot of other amenities that we spend bua this amount of money all the time just like that sorry forgot oh perfect timing so thank you so much uh and I appreciate I want to thank each and every one of you though real quick because this is the first time this has really been discussed and you already have acquired put some money forward towards it at the budget so thank you guys thank you Orson all right you want to say something go ahead yeah um you know the easement to stay on the easements um I would think that you would want to keep the ramp as wide as it is because if somebody I mean anybody that backs up a boat trailer and has done it more than a dozen times gets pretty good at keeping the boat straight and getting it to turn where they want it to so if you had a 30ft boat you could actually back from Holiday Lane straight down that easement I mean you can huh 0 turn it's no no you're on holiday okay and you're backing 90 yeah you've got to go 90° turn you can pull up and straighten out then you back all the way down toward the B boat ramp and then you turn so that your boat goes into the water I can do it more than a 90° turn actually it's actually more than a 90° turn okay well maybe not that big of anyways but I I could I could back down there and then with that wider ramp I could maneuver myself where I could get the boat back and forth with that little bit of easement measuring cont did it in the water guys so let's just get let's just get to the to the the point at hand um I I approved the 75 grand cuz I thought that's what we were going to spend to to uh make it usable to work on I didn't know that that was 75 G was supposed to be the design right thing I was okay with spending 75 grand to maintain it I'm I'm okay to maintain it um you said 75 grand plus 350 we're talking close to a half a million dollars on a boat ramp that has no public parking that um has very poor access um I absolutely want to maintain it I do not want to rebuild it um I'd rather spend that half a million dollars towards the fire station um I think there's a lot more stuff that we could do that is more necessary than than a community boat ramp if we wanted a boat ramp in the city I think I'd rather spend half a million dollars at a boat ramp by uh right by the the um the Aquatic Center over here I think that'd be more useful deep water easy but we're going to have Bicentennial it's going to be deep and usable so that's a great usable ramp um I would personally I would like to just continue doing doing what you got to do to maintain it make sure it's it's it's usable but I think we could you know we're we're we're trying to save money for different projects and and important stuff like fire stations and and stuff like that I'd rather use this much money towards something that's more safety orientated that's safety orientated too but I'm saying let's maintain it but let's use the money towards yeah um I'm a little concerned because I was unable to to determine after looking at a bunch of documents and I'm getting more documents tomorrow but that it's actually owned by the city okay it does not appear that it's actually owned by the city and that's that's a concern okay so concern that that it is not own that it is not owned by the city okay so this easement that we have um we do have the easement I was involved in getting the right but I'm talking about the actual ramp and that easement as I as I look at the flat goes straight from Holiday Lane on the west side of that easement a straight line all the way to the end of that easement and does not go west at all toward the boat correct correct right so that easan is right there so that property of the boat ramp itself you're saying as a a resident mentioned earlier that they beli that it was deed to everyone that lived on on Holiday Lane in that and it may very well be that is not an unusual situation in which case it would not belong to the city so um my thought is a couple things now that I have chance to speak um I agree you know the city has we have ramp Road and was mentioned earlier about Bicentennial Park that that there's the access there is terrible um and it is but it's getting redone that's where I'm good thank you commissioner Williams um exactly I was on Leisure board and we helped push that through to get it and actually the city manager did really the leg work in getting 2 million doll plus worth the grants uh to redo all of B Centennial Park raise it up so it doesn't flood pardon me 3.2 million which is yes 3.2 which is considerably above 2 million thank you great job um and so that's that's about a within the next year I think they're doing uh breaking ground maybe in the next month or two next month or two right right so we've got that going uh I believe a lot of folks that um were advised of this and and um Mr tar oron um I appreciate what what you've done and you you've been working on this for a long time um but these people were I think just as the mayor thought that it was $75,000 I spoke to the Marcato folks and they when I said it's over $400 ,000 they're like what you know I thought it was $75,000 and that's all we were going to put in there it doesn't make any sense to spend close to a half million dollar when you know it's used by X number of people and I appreciate that that's your property and that you bought that to have access there too but you also mentioned that oh that's a lot of money for just me you know in the city so they were somewhat misled this um petition to the people don't live there anymore I went through the roles and see that so of the 26 people actually seven actually seven people um on this petition actually voted in 2024 not that that means anything but actually went to vote to make decisions for the city um $400,000 is a lot of money money for that spot and as it as mayor mentioned it could be used elsewhere and I agree with um Mr kersi bomb and everyone else here agrees we've got to do something but maintaining it is great and if we can we can do that on a regular basis or um you know how often does that have to be redone can you you know when you you you did something to it before and you said hey we appreciate what you did how long did that last last how much did that cost um cost barely anything the the frequency of that would depend on the usage yeah but in general twice a year every six months every six months M at a cost of th000 bucks you know yeah less than $1,000 it's all done with City staff yeah okay um are you up for public comment I am um we you've already had public comment so I can't comment let let me let him finish and I'll allow you do it I'd like to hear what she has to say before I'm finished you okay yeah come on close spark something soons uh 122 Holiday Lane um I would agree that I wasn't too sure what the 75,000 as well was earmarked for but my original thought what I stood was to repair the ramp so my question is with that 75,000 instead of of doing a study of the ramp could that money be used to somehow fix the drop off at the waterline at the ramp because that is really I think what we're all looking for at this point we're not not looking for bells and whistles we're just looking to be able to use the ramp to where our trailer is not dropping off to the abyss and to where you cannot put your trailer on straight or put your boat on the trailer straight so my my suggestion would be to take that 75,000 and fix the bottom of the ramp that needs to be fixed rather it be an extension of of the concrete or whatever it is thank you yeah excellent yeah that's exactly right so at roughly 2,000 a year you add in uh um inflation that could last maybe 25 years $75,000 um just saying so well it would actually develop its own interest if you kept in a bank and did that so it's it it be its own yeah it it take care of itself forever in perpetuity but um but that's a great idea uh the 75,000 if if that's something we we've already earmarked it for that for that spot um I'm for that 100% I'm I'm definitely not for 350 additional ,000 um for the ramp and uh also agree that we need to have that we could simply add some signage to make sure that there's no commercial um business being done there and um yeah I think that would be fantastic okay yeah the signage for the no commercial I think is definitely um necessary uh my my concern was um if it was fixed up and it was nice that as soon as the um the International Palms was rebuilt that they could just go across the street and do kayak do with a golf cart so yeah that if as long as there's no commercial then you know we're good on that um so a comment maybe the city manager can speak to what the requirements were that drove that 350k I didn't make that number up that was just from the project and I and I caught in the court of the report of hey this is funded for design it's not funded for construction so part of me says let's not spend the 75,000 on design if we're not going to also commit to build a solution so if it's just a ROM just a madeup number maybe that's way high I don't know I mean clearly the requirements drive a lot of the cost and a lot of the resident concern I I think we all agree let's have a simple rra don't make a commercial operation I don't know how that messaging got out but I don't know what the 350k if that's is that just a educated guest or what is that what requirements drove that number the Genesis of that number and then we can determine if that's a real number or it's coincidentally we were at a point in this project where I wasn't quite sure what the scope of the project was either what the $75,000 was earmarked towards so what we did was we went and approached our continuing Services agreements uh General Contractors and had three of them look at the project um with the intent of taking the ramp out and replacing it no finger Pier just the replacement of the existing boat ramp um all three of them declined to propose on it for a number of reasons um one of the driving factors was the logistics of the project it's such a tight area and what we wanted to do would have been difficult in the conversations with them we asked them to just give us a ballpark you know off the Record type and all of them were in the 300 to $400,000 range how that got out I don't know but um what I was going to do if this had not been brought up was come to the commission and ask what the path forward is because the path forward now if you want to go ahead and and um replace the ramp itself is I have to advertise an RFP and in that RFP will be an actual design um a scope of the of what the actual project is so I I appreciate the the the um the comment on ramp road that was one of my first ramps this is the fourth time in my tenure here I've been in with the city for 17 years this is the fourth time that this project and all of this stuff this is deja vu all over again for me because this has come up with Pro I think it's three different city managers I wasn't the city manager at the time but so I'm well aware of what's going on there um we can keep fixing you know Band-Aid fixing it um but if you guys want me to get a detailed you know cost like that and then and then the question was where's the money coming from it's not budgeted I personally would would like for you to keep fixing it but maybe be a bit a little bit more um proactive with fixing it so that it's I I like the idea what you've been doing just maybe a little bit more frequent there's there are some more things we can do quite frankly to to um to improve its usability now if that's a word but I've had some really great conversations on the on the topic with Eric and Annette with actually a number of folks um and and it did come up that a little bit of the history associated with the property is in question right and I think the comment that was made of of it was part of what was deeded to the property owners and about 10 years ago that was that was turned over to the city and I know there was an easement piece and and I know that part of the easement process that happened was there were pool facilities or pool pumps that were on what was considered part of the property associated with the boat ramp and the easement was part of an exchange to turn when you look on the property apprais that rectangle that's part of the property it's adjacent to that that was part of a trade and and I think that some of the records there will have to figure out um and but and and I'm not lawyer nor do I play one on TV um but where the where the boat ramp exists even if there's question on property ownership where there's a safety issue uh and their property is being damaged to restore the function and the safety of the ramp doesn't seem to be a outlandish thing um I really liked where commissioner Williams was mentioning a prefabricated wedge essentially that you could just trim the concrete put that in place right and you'd want to Target the low water mark CU of course throughout the year um you don't make it long enough and all of a sudden the water is down lower than the wedges but putting in something or a couple pieces that get us a contiguous ramp down to where where the the boers need it to be not expanding not ripping and replacing I think we run the risk of enhancing the The Landing to the point where it does start to attract commercial um but to the point of what been used up until now the size the utility of it hasn't attracted commercial it has been an a fantastic benefit for a number of residents so I I would like to see us stay at the 75 I would be hardpressed to think that putting in some com concrete shapes at the end of the boat ramp would drive us well beyond a $775,000 project uh labor equipment materials at that sounds ballpark there of course the ri and place would take us I I'm not surprised to hear it at the four you know $350 $400,000 place but in terms of what we had with the boat ramp um the the opportunity there to just restore the function I think is what we have and that's what I thought I was voting on when when we put in the 75k um I'd like to make an amendment to the main motion that's on the floor that we um authorize up to an additional $75,000 for the Improvement of that ramp I think we'll get more of a permanent fix if we do that so you're saying 150 total total 100 well we get 75 already allotted so it'll be another 75 and that would give a little bit of latitude to the C manager and maybe even figure out a way to do an in-house rent a crane por slab they'll get created but um my motion is to allow up to another $75,000 for the repair to restore function y and I'd look for a second on that a second now I got a second Karen from commissioner Jackson in clarification that the first 75k would not be design fee it would also be with the second 75k for a yeah they can do more robust whatever we need to do with 150k got it total cost to restore function no enhancements no no modific just restore function no more no more than 150 right yeah okay vote on the amended motion does this sound like something considering you've talked to three contractors or is this something that the city would do themselves well but remember the 350 400k estimate that was off the books that they gave them was to rip and replace the whole thing yeah just no that was a number they pulled out of the air to cover my question was just to make sure that the city themselves can do it so we're not trying to get uh you know somebody else in here okay and it honestly it'll be a lot less than 150 if we're doing ourselves it's concrete okay re said to okay amended on the amended motion not to exceed 150,000 total which is ADD 75,000 added 75,000 which is the 75,000 is already budgeted right so we have to come up with 75,000 from somewhere right okay but no longer designing a long-term 350k solution using that 75k plus the second 75 to come up with a more robust I can go with that if we're talking about the city doing it ourselves because I know it won't be 150 so I think we still need to wait on city attorney's confirmation that we actually can do this legally okay do you want me to do the research would I'll have to get a title search I would rather do the research first okay so can we can we I think that's probably a good idea we can we can make it and if she comes back and says you can't do it then we can't do it a title search cost 150 bucks yeah shouldn't be more than get a title search let's see who owns that property on that that'll be part of the 150,000 perfect there you go okay all right am all in favor turns out it's 1 for the amendment to repair it ourselves I I I all opposed motion passes 50 how about that now you got to vote on the main motion oh all right now let's vote on the main motion as amended I I I all opposed motion passes 5 that was awesome okay we got $150,000 boat rank good yeah hopefully it's like maybe 75,000 grip wrap and rocks and thank you for spearheading this and and really giving it legs to I got to go the bathroom too I'm not going to miss I got let's do a short uh restroom break all right 5 minutes e e e e e e e e e e e e e all right let's let's bring this meeting back to order wow mean you mean to order to order reping that it was in order well K three k three all right um I'm almost got to work tomorrow number three okay this is new business item three um request the city commission designate a specific portion of Minuteman Causeway as a park Minuteman Park Southside of Minuteman Causeway from Lai La Rivier road to Roosevelt Elementary School North side of minut man Causeway from danu River Drive to palan Cove condo representative Tim tal commissioner mve to discuss designating a specific portion as stated of Minute Man Causeway as par second all right let's discuss this comment go ahead um should this come to free and it's happening in 2025 I think we should call it the minim and 10al park I I brought that up with someone else and it's like well that's just too much it's either minute Min or Centennial Park and it could be minute it could be that's yeah this is uh this is the fact that we're already naming it um kind of implies that we're just just going to go do it so you would either way whatever whatever you want to call it you wouldn't even have to name it I would like a little uh context or or ideas of what why why you want to do this and what what you plan on doing and it does it help us get the grant funding for Parks or or what exactly so we've all driven minimen Causeway or gone down minimen Causeway or walked it or whatever forever and um it's first of all it's very dark it's uh you know obviously at night the lighting is terrible um there's poles right there in the road the when it's when it's cleaned out it's actually you you don't even realize there's water on the other side of those trees um so basically what this it's it's just multifaceted right it's the entryway to to the high school to this sports complex being the golf course the pool tennis courts and all um if we don't designated a park then it it's it's the responsibility of us to if we want to call it you know make improvements to it it's going to cost money for from the city from residents donations and whatnot by designated a park you now have other revenue streams potential revenue streams whether it's state grants TDC money um and the TDC as we know has a lot of money that they want to spend on Parks and they don't have anywhere to spend it there are a lot of parks that just like uh we don't need your money for whatever reason so it's there there's lots of opportunities um we do have a problem with power lines in all of Coco Beach I'd like to see them all underground and if all those power lines on minim and cause we were underground that would be it would it would just look spectacular in addition to taking all the invasive species out um redoing the the sidewalk or two sidewalks so you have a pedestrian sidewalk and bike sidewalk um would would alleviate that stripe but I I don't want to diminish that I think that's a great idea initially that that we absolutely do that um but there's just it's just adds a lot it's it becomes another amenity for Coco for for Coco Beach uh which will raise the value of properties around um all all up and down minent Causeway at the end of minim Causeway and uh just just think it's a positive for everybody so are you proposing that we put money towards it or we just designate it we just designate it no money we don't need to put any money toward it other than the whatever it cost the in registration or something uh documentation and time that you know a couple of employees couple hours of work so I just have one one concern about the north side I I I'm I'm trying hard to see if we can um pave just a westbound Lane between the elementary school and um right after that little park right because as we all know it gets backed up and it backs up all of minute man yeah if if there was a lane where you could go around I think and then there was that turning lane for the school yeah I just don't I just want to make sure that that doesn't encroach on to you know where you want to designate the part right I agree and that would start about where that um where the sign is from from the alumni sign that that's put out there that's been put out there there's already tracks there there is we already have the tracks so we know where that road starts and it's really for a short period of time every day and we had um um going a brain fart um our friend uh donated uh drone service right and uh so we're we're already looking into into that to see if it's feasible or what we got to do or so we got a lot of um free free service from from uh Rick so that that was great yeah Additionally you know we uh we did put a seaw wall around the golf course a few years back and that was initiated from the Leisure board and and the fact that the timing of it was such that we got it in just before a hurricane and that hurricane potentially could have taken out half the golf course um it's already eroded had already eroded back 20 to 40t I think on the um south side of the golf course from when it from the original dredging and and building of of this land out here um and I see that happening up and down the causeway as well and you can see that at at the street end um at all the canal streets and whatnot that well by the way it was Grant funded that Inland seaw wall it was 100% that's potential for this exactly and actually we used uh we got a grant for I think 2.1 million and we only used 1.6 or 1.8 something like that um so we were very frugal with our money and didn't didn't overspend and ended up giving some of that money back to the state in good faith so it's very likely that they'll be able to help us out going forward is River that's where you said you wanted to start up to so I don't know that we need to make an absolute decision on exactly where it goes right now the fact that that that we all want to do it if if we have an agreement to do it we can go forward and move this um to another meeting you know maybe not the next meeting but maybe a couple meetings I think to the land sustainability for I think that'd be a great idea um the Leisure board which is was is in charge of parks and wreck for the uh for the entire city committe as long as we're not designating extra funds to it I think it's great like you said so that we can so that we can get funds through the state or through um you know um the TDC that's exactly my thought I mean originally I was thinking you know to do that to hit get donations and maybe match it with some city funding but hey if we just make this a park there's a lot of money out there that that's not used just like our money for our facade grants that we that we offer a lot of folks it's just laying there dormant no one's using it they there's a lot of that out there with the state so so you don't anticipate any downsides to this there's no legal restrictions no Financial I seems like a win-win I think the most frustrating part of this is that I didn't think of it cuz I think it's a really great idea um the opening up additional revenue streams that I I think fit very neatly in a park of additional lighting to make that stretch safer opening up and I mean it beautifies an area where we have amazing water views that we can't see because of the level of invasive species open that up why not enjoy that um Parks have driveways Parks have have paved areas that you could could include the the extra Drive area could be part of the park drive-thru and access to parking spaces and things like that along the way it could marry quite neatly into the additional lane or additional I don't care I just congestion fixed I would throw out something like a consider for the name like a gusy Edwards city park or something like that you could do a nod to the Heritage Keith City Park I was thinking that as a second but I think it's a really really neat IDE it's got to be gotor got be Memorial it's got to be um I I also talked to um some of the sports some of the sports teams you know at the school like our cross country our track team it's like why can't we mark it also nice you know neatly not not some you know grotesque markings but every tenth of a mile quarter mile so these kids know hey I qu Mile and and we can all do that oh how far did you walk today well I walked A4 mile down minut I'd like to see those things the little exercise stations too you see yeah I like that so we have those they're they're there and they're all worn out yeah from from 1967 I think maybe um but if that's something that a committee wants to do and add to it funded by grants great if not I mean we could even get local businesses to donate certain exercise equipment with a sign on it or whatever or some donor wants to say hey I want a plaque my name on a plaque like like Keith capy wants to donate you know $10,000 put a plaque says uh Keith capy jungle gym is over here and okay let's let's take some public comment if you guys don't mind you guys good with that yeah okay um oron or D 178 J drive so yeah really great idea Tim this really sounds awesome um I was only going to suggest that like so funding I bet you you get some fine grants if you put in some some docks because we live in a town that's a boating community you can't boat to the downtown and like that's crazy you know like one foot deep it's so shallow back there well airbat yeah yeah I I got I got a lift on my on my motor so I can just kind your way out but anyways I mean this might be a fun Source you can put in some docks at least be nice that people could enjoy the water I was um I was thinking that besides the fine grants but it also nice to do like you said the TDC I'm sure they kick in some money be nice to get some of that but uh it would be nice to do a really nice uh streetcape because it is just like a two-lane road right down it it could be nice with curbs and Planters and it could be really pretty so um yeah yeah good luck I think sounds like a good idea thank you I wouldn't mind some finger Piers by Sunset so that people could pull into town and that would be cool that right just east of sunset there anyways um Janice e Sunset Drive Janice Scott Cook Beach um I concerned reading this uh and then I listened to commissioner Tal's uh only wanting designation boy that sounds really wild to me because um you know when you see oh look on the map we have designated this part of the city and now we need to fund this that and the other thing well if you're going to have a park I'm been talking about this for a while 20 some years ago when we got the maritime hammock we were supposed to remove the invasive plants in there I think anything if you can get a a park Grant from TDC that easily you need to get it and you need to get it for the maritime hammock um I was actually hoping and I know you think I'm really a about this but I thought you're going to take all those extra holes at the golf course and designate it apart that's what we'd really love to see thank you that was nr's idea uh not mine um go ahead Rick Anderson 1800 Minute Men Causeway and I actually think it's a great idea provided I I I know mayor cap is has said many times he doesn't like building things that we can't maintain and I I would not want to see it turn into anything like that um but that aside if there can be grants I absolutely love the idea because one of the things I've noticed is that there's almost no Riverfront access in the entire city for the public you have McNab Park you've got Bicentennial Park you've got a little bit down a ramp road but there's very very little Riverfront um access access for for citizens of the the city so I I I certainly love the idea in in principle I hope there is a way to make it work and not make it another drag on the finances thank you RI any other public comment all right what do you guys want to do are we uh we did a motion to discuss so um let's go ahead I'd like to make a motion to designate a to be determined specific portion of minut man Causeway as a park yeah name to be determined at a later date a second all right we got a motion in a second um Wayne do you see any for see any downsides to this or or Becky I I would I don't I would in this case case to want to verify ownership of that oh if if there is any question about ownership we can do a title search of the uh the causeway right yeah my concern is I'm well for this my concern is on the North side um erosion which you can't really see but it's occurring um so I would address that too in this and I would go after State Appropriations for this and all the usual characters for money so um yeah I'm I'm bored with it yeah awesome all right so all in favor all opposed motion passes by vot I have to say I was I was against it at first because I thought we were going to spend more money to make it aart but i' love it all right um commission see make your appointments and then one motion to approve all appointments Organization for the organizations what do you do you want me to read yeah okay all right um a space I will Space Coast Transportation Planning organization sctp 2025 Coco Beach voting delegate blank who's going to be that and then staff representative is of do they meet once a month so so I'm glad you chimed in mayor um I've been doing this for this is my 17th 30 years 17th year for space Co Transportation Planning organization we got a lot of things out of fto yeah in the city over that time frame I won't go into what all the things they are um we have on the books right now in the fiveyear plan uh which gets prioritized every year um and the raising of the 52y causeway from Coco Beach to Meritt Island is the biggest thing that Coco Beach Cape Canaveral North Beach's Coalition we share that seat with Cape Canaveral okay so every two years it switches between Coco Beach being the delegate and Cape canaval being the alternate to vice versa okay so this would be the last year of Coco Beach being the second year of the two-term year of being the voting delegate okay so the only thing on the books right now is the raising of 520 Causeway and they're they understand it they know we're our hospital is moving you know if we don't raise that Causeway we're not going to be able to get to to a hospital after a storm event if there's any kind of storm surge or anything in the rivers and washes over the road and all that need to get that road raised the other thing um May that's kind of a pet project that you'd like to see is to do some beautification on 520 absolutely and this is the way to do it is to Advocate through Space Coast Transportation Planning organization they meet about 7 to eight times a year at 1:30 in rockage okay at the center for collaboration um meetings usually run no more than two hours and they take a meeting off in the fall and a meeting couple meetings off in the summertime you know so I would like to see you take that seat and you know get your feet wet you're going to be here four four years I'm okay I'll do that you're going to be here too I'd love to do it uh I'd love to advocate for our roadsides and our our roads to be uh okay as good as they can be for Karen should they this be approved which I anticipate it will we need a letter to Zoe at the TP letting her know that that he and I are switching yes in enough time that they can make him a name plate because they won't have one bring his own I'll keep I'll keep the one they have for me as a souvenir okay okay I just bring this one ex all right so we going to vote of these one at a time or we just pencil that one in and keep moving that's pencil pencil it in yeah up up to you may Keith yeah I I I wouldn't I would think I'd like that I think I'd enjoy that okay Keith you're in okay here is B Bard County Water Supply Group no set meeting time staff representative water Reclamation director Brad cow I agree with that Brad you're stuck Okay C Space Coast League of cities meet 2 Monday 6:30 p.m. at hosting City Space Coast League of cities intergovernmental committee second Monday 5:45 p.m at hosting City 2025 voting delegate I've I'll volunteer to do that I was on that for uh when I was on commission previously uh as a matter of fact with the last meeting we had I knew half the people are still on the league of City sote I think that's good you been around you know and you get fre bers okay we all do we all do if you show up but well there's that and uh but for voting you've got to be there an hour earlier and go through the that process okay and then we need an alternate delegate I'll keep Jeremy Jeremy sure okay my attendance is very limited last year but if I can fill in for all right the general employees pension board meets quarterly 3 P.M Thursdays before commission meetings Coco Beach 25 2025 commission representative the 2024 commission representative was commissioner skip Williams so who do we want for 2025 yeah I I can keep doing it as long as the market goes up double digits every year okay all right um e Coco Beach art show 2025 commissioner representative we need to fill that 2024 commission representative was mayor Keith capes let's do Keith again I'm I'm the vice chair of that actual well that's why we should keep Keith well then both of us will be there at that meeting conflict interest that's okay you're not doing City business you're doing our show business all right I don't know is that a conflict or not no okay no you're okay all right then okay um that caused that caused an uproar about eight years ago from a former mayor I don't I don't know that that's what that all you can't be having a side conversation about something going on in the city I was just making a point that that that's what happened with the freedom of speech issue okay when somebody got ejected from a meeting if you guys get you start having qualms about it we'll pick Point somebody else no I don't I'm not going to have all right next one St John's River Water Management District meets as needed 2025 staff representative Morgan Zuli storm water utility Manager Go Morgan okay all right Canaveral Port Authority meets usually the third Wednesday of the month at 9:00 a.m. 2025 commission representative we need to fill that in 2024 it was Carolyn Wallace I'd actually like to do that one if nobody objects commissioner Jackson are you able to to make those okay and then Coco Beach Main Street staff representative Carrie Lombardo government Affair manager car have a question on G um I mean you you do travel should do we need a backup on any they go by quorum you don't have to be at every meeting they have to have a quorum just like us so I'm move to approve the Slate of appointments as determined at this meeting according to the public record got a motion and second is this something that we have public comment on I'll allow public comment if you guys want on this all right all in favor I I I all opposed motion passes 5 we are adjourned for