Vice Mayor, would you mind doing a pledge? No problem. flagg to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We've got an invocation by Mark Wodka. Let's pray. Dear heavenly father, we uh just thank you for this opportunity for for this meeting and I pray for wisdom.
I pray for uh discernment, Lord, that you would just uh make this meeting what you want it to be. I pray, Father, for this community, that you would pour out your blessing and that you would um bless every family that's here. Lord, I
pray for uh peace in our world, but right here in this community, I pray that you would bless our our students as they're offered this summer. And Lord, we just pray for uh continued blessing of tourism and other economic factors.
Father, thank you for everybody who uh serves this city and and Lord, whether they're risking their life or are doing uh other jobs, Lord, we we pray that you would watch over and protect them. Lord, thank you for our teachers and for uh
for uh others, Lord, that maybe are from this community serving in the military. Pray that you'll watch over them and just keep them safe. Thank you, Lord, for the freedom that we have. And we pray that you would help us not to take it for granted. And I pray all this in
Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Commissioner Jackson here. Commissioner Hutcherson. Commissioner Tumulti here. Vice Mayor Williams here. Mayor KZY here. I pushed my I pushed my speaker button. So now you can hear me.
Um let's see. We get a motion for the agenda. Oh. We got the agenda first. Yeah. I'll make a motion. A second. All right. A motion, a second. All in favor? I I. All right. Motion passes.
50. I have a special presentation. And here we go. This is for Aging Matters in Brevard. Um, and Kimberly But Butler, uh, senior director of human resources is here. She's going to say after we
read this proclamation. All right. Whereas uh Aging Matters in Bvard, originally known as the Community Service Council, was incorporated as a notfor-profit organization on June 7th, 1965,
and today promotes the independent health, safety, and quality of life of seniors countrywide. And whereas Aging Matters is now the leading agency providing direct services to seniors across Bvard County and is kicking off
its 60th anniversary 2025 through 2085 champions initiative on July 1st. And whereas having grown alongside Bvard County now employs more than 90 staff members and mobilizes more than 800 volunteers who drive more than 400,000
miles. And whereas together staff and volunteers with support from a myriad of supporters providing life-changing services annually to hundreds of seniors countrywide, including 79,000 hours of
companionship, respite, socialization, safety, and wellness checks, and light housekeeping in 2024. and whereas prepared more than 425,000 meals at his Bvard community kitchen and distributed
them daily through its meals on wheels program weekly at 13 seniors at lunch uh community dining centers and monthly providing pet food to 160 clients through pets on wheels and whereas
installed 178 ramps and 2,100 grab bars operated the sunflower house which provides critical caregiving support recruited RSVP retired senior volunteer program
volunteers for its own and many other organizations and conducted bone builders classes for 370 seniors to present to prevent osteoporosis. Sorry about this.
Now therefore be resolved that um the city of Cocoa Beach uh of Bvard County, Florida does hereby recognize and commend Aging Matters in Bvard for 60 years of distinguished service to the
citizens and particularly the senior citizens of Bvard County and congratulates the board of directors and leadership team for a job well done. um ordered and adopted in this regular
session uh 19th day of June in 2025. Um a witness hereof I have uh here set my hand this 19th day of June 2025. [Applause]
My name is Kimberly Butler. I'm the senior director of human resources of serving matters as director. I also have Alison here director and we're here on behalf of CEO Tom.
However, he did put together a few words to share with you. It's a true honor to accept this proclamation from the city of beach recognizing the 60th anniversary of a letter of in 1965. A group of community leaders much like yourselves came
together to create the community services council of county which later evolved into the nonprofit we know as aging matters in that same year the older Americans act was signed into law creating a national network to support older adults living independently for as
long as possible. At the very have been a part of that national effort leading the way locally with programs like meals on wheels, transportation, inhome personal care, and career support. Today, we're proud to serve thousands of seniors across our county. And many of the services we provide are not only
life changing, but in most cases, life saving. As we celebrate 60 years of service, we're taking a moment to reflect on the champions, past and present, who've helped us get here. We're also looking ahead. On July 1st, we'll be launching our 2025
champions initiative to identify and support the next generation of global leaders who will ensure that our seniors continue to age with dignity, safety, independence. We also ask for your help in urging support on behalf of the older American act which is currently up for reauthorization in Congress because
every dollar invested in aging matters in Bvard saves money and protects our seniors quality of life. Thank you again for this proclamation, for your leadership, and most independently, most importantly, thank you for caring about the seniors. Thank you. I I have your proclamation
here. Thank you. And um I was wondering actually, we might see if we can get you another one. Instead of where it says name of government, we can put Cocoa Beach on that. That way it's a little bit more official for us. Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you. Can I make a
comment? Yes, you may. Um, my my mother lived here in Cocoa Beach until she was uh 97 and uh I got with uh A Matters Meals on Wheels cuz you know a couple times a week and then went to three times a week
you know bring her a meal. She was so independent, you know, I don't need anybody. I don't need anybody, you know, but she really appreciated those meals and the it's not just the meal. It's for these people that are kind of basically shut in that they get to actually have
somebody show up that cares about them to give them something to help them sustain their life. I also got to um go on a couple ride alongs with the meal delivery people and at as the city
commissioner and you know there was lots of people that were just it it just made their day to have somebody show up at their house and and just be friendly and bring them a meal and it just means a lot. And uh then again uh I don't think
we have anybody from the fire department here, do we? Oh yeah, we we have a kind of a concurrent program here in Cocoa Beach um that kind of works with seniors
um that you know can that helps them out. They'll come do health and wellness checks. uh they'll help them get equipment and stuff, you know, to to for their use, you know, on a loan. Um even through
aging manners, you know, my mom got a couple of grab bars that I could have done, but she's like, "No, they said they'd do it. Let them do it." And I'm like, "Okay." You know, and there's no charge. So, it's a great program and I appreciate all you do
from personal experience. Thank you. All right. Do we have any public comments about items that are not on the agenda? All right, Janice. Um, and then three minutes name or not? Uh, no. Public comment right now. Um, and then just a
reminder, we won't have public comment after the meeting unless this exceeds 30 minutes. Okay. So, I'm here to tell you aging does matter. All right. Um, first of all, I want to address the county budget that's affecting all of us. Um, there's
125 billion in taxable property values. 46% of that is exempt or immune by religious or 501c3 exemptions, which means that 58 billions exempt from
taxes. Therefore, 44% of us, the rest of us get to pay the 68 billion. And I think it's important that even though we live in a municipality, that we all think about that because, you know, Sheriff Ivy, we love him, but he never
gets enough money. And there's a lot of talk about his trying to break the 3% tax cap, this budget, and we don't want to see that happen. So, spread the word. The other thing that's important to Cocoa Beach is um the Bvard County
Planning Board met last week and they're changing evacuation time to uh clearance time whereas it used to be I think like 18 hours and um it went up from 60 56
for the county to 61 but the hospital used to go 18 hours ahead of us. Now you know also that um until it's a category four the only mandatory evacuation if there is any before that is the barrier islands not
the mainland and I think that you we all should be concerned that the level of service does not change because we have two enclaves go here at Snug Harbor and Avon by the sea and we can't
control the density and it's a density that's making that number get higher all the time. You know, many of us um go 520 to 528. And you know, when you get to Hubert Humphrey Bridge, it goes from
three lanes to two lanes going over that bridge. And even today, that is a big big clog. So, I wanted to bring that up that you pay attention to some emails you'll probably be getting about that. Thank you. Thank you, Janice. Any other
public comment about items that are not on the agenda? Come on up. Name and address. Three minutes. Um, my name is I live at 1617.
I would just like to say that I think we should um put something in the beach ordinance about the spray sun. Um, it's blowing everywhere. It's getting in my face. Um, I think they
outlawed it in Australia and Europe already. And also, I have seen no sea turtle nest this year. So, I think it has to do with maybe spray stuff. Not sure, but um I
see other countries and other people banning it. just like put that into consideration. Okay. For an amendment to the Thank you. Thank you, Angela.
Any other public comment? All right, let's move along. Staff reports. Yes. In the past week, we staff completed hurricane exercise. Uh, CBNN has been sending out
reminders to the public about getting ready for the hurricane season. We we did special event planning meetings, the centennial celebration chair show and preliminary meetings on surfing s
on behalf of county geom completed the beach lighting survey required for the beachment project. There are numerous ocean facing courtesy code enforcement notice. AJ,
your speaker's not on. Your mic's not on. Now it is. Huh? Yeah. You don't want me to start over, do you? Start over. Got to start over. On behalf of Bvard County, GMR completed a beach lighting survey required for the
beach reourishment project. There are numerous ocean-facing properties that will receive courtesy code enforcement notices. The enforcement of the beach lighting regulations falls to our code enforcement department. We've also uh are preparing to send out
letters to all beach vendors requiring proof of continuing uh insurance on land. Uh the Indian Creek Drive has been added to the Cedar Woodland and Bvard Avenue and and Second Street North
flood evaluation project. The Brightwarters property is being cleared of material left there by a dredging contractor. The property then will be secured by a gate. Water reclamation department is doing 3D
manhole inspections looking for structural issues and leaks. They've completed 43 out of 1,246 manholes. I bet you didn't know there there were that many. Funding for
funding comes from a $15 million uh revolving state revolving fund. Reclaim water demand is high and on limited availability and the system is on restrictions. And then finally, uh,
there was a thread on a local Cocoa Beach internet discussion site, I won't name the site, in which our development services technician, a permit technician, Gig VC, was showered with
accolades. So, well done, Gig. That's it. Thank you. Oh, G. Yeah. No kidding. You know, I'll say the same thing about G. I get so many compliments on her. Um, she's just she's just got the best
attitude and she's so helpful. So, uh, I hear it as well on a regular basis. So, thank thank you Gidget for all you do if you if you are are watching. Um, let's see. City attorney. Uh, nothing tonight. City commission.
Um, first of all, uh, along with this being our, uh, centennial year, uh, it's Koka Beach High School's 60th class reunion had a, uh, a gathering this past week, and I'm aware of it because, um, Courtney, my wife Courtney's cousin was
part of that, uh, class that that graduated in ' 65. Um, also, today is my son's 30th birthday. That's right. I was nine years old, I believe, when he was born. Um, actually, he's not even half
my age yet. So, that's uh interesting. Uh, Friday Fest tomorrow. So, everybody go to Friday Fest. Um, it's tomorrow, third Friday every month, and uh I'm sure it'll be hot, but they'll have ice
cold uh beverages there for you to to partake in. So, that's all I've got. All right. So, there's no uh see. Okay, this is the fun part. So, we're going to take a temporary recess from the commission
meeting and we're going to start our CRA meeting. All right. did quite a bit of research on this and I I feel comfortable with giving it to them. So I don't I don't want to waste anybody's time if I did quite a bit of research. There you
go. Wow. on this. So, I feel very comfortable in in in my uh point of view on this one. Uh I don't want to waste anybody's time. So, I don't know if anybody else has any I don't think we're wasting time by making this public. Yeah. Well, I'm just
saying I'm saying as far as having him speak up on it. Um has he has he spoken to every citizen in Koka Beach? You can speak on it if you want to. That's what I think should happen rather than um you know us voting on something that only we
know about. Sure. All right. Come on up. Come on up, Derek. Karen, if you could put it up. Yeah. Thank you. Uh my name is Derek Howell. I'm the lead pastor of the Point Church. So, thank you guys for the opportunity to uh to
share. Um we're of course we're we're seeking approval uh for the grant. Uh I see our our PowerPoint coming up. If you you can kind of just go through the um each of the slides there so that you can see what we're uh the project that we're
we're seeking. Of course, you could see this is from A1A. Um it's the first thing that people see when they drive past our building. It's been an eyesore for a long time. Continue through the uh you'll see actually posts that have been
made uh that uh have made it clear it's an U building. We have uh we purchased the building in 2021 and we renovated uh in the interior for an an a lobby and an auditorium and this is the uh next
phase. We have uh our ultimate goal is to completely redo the exterior of the building. Oh, perfect. Um but uh now we're stepping into the um the first phase of the exterior because we have to bite
this off in bits that we can chew. And so we're asking for approval of 50,000 to just shy of uh 100,000 for the entire project uh to do. So you'll see the the damage that is done to the u the
building. It involves tearing down the uh the existing drive-thru which is no longer working. So, it'll tear that down. You also can see some of the damage uh to the stucco and the building. You can also see damage done
to the uh to the parking lot. So, the way this uh eventually uh over time first the first step this does is completely um uh take care of of the parking lot itself. It removes the
drive-thru um which is a major eyes sore but also repairs a lot of damage completely redoing the the rear parking lot there that that that you see. This is the ultimate goal. Um there's some other things we wanted you to see the ultimate goal of the entire project
which would be after this is done you'll see the difference between the current versus the the goal but this is the overview of the that parking lot that will be changed. So, the drive-thru will disappear and then you'll see the um right here what it's going to look like
when it is done. Yes, sir. Can you leave this slide up? Yep. Camera. Okay. So, um I I chatted with you on your way up the elevator and um there was a question about, you know, you not paying property taxes to the city. So why should we give
you money for something that's going to increase in value and not increase revenue to the city by the increase in property taxes by the value of your property going up? Yep. But you said that uh you were paying uh property
taxes on parking area. So looking at this slide, what portion of the property is the portion that you're actually paying property tax that that parking lot? So the green everything you see where the parking spaces in the green
areas. However, I I would like to say that um yes, we do pay property taxes. We pay partial property taxes on the building. We actually paid full property taxes the first three years um after purchasing the building and then we have
uh we applied for exemption and uh but we wanted to do it right. So we explained that we do make income off of the parking lot. So we are a partial exemption. So uh but I would I would prefer to argue that there there are
better reasons um of why we we qualify for this uh for this grant. We participate in many of the city events. We uh we bring in over 4 to 500 people to the city every single weekend who uh invest back into the community in the
local businesses. They go to coffee shops. They go to lunch. Uh we we have um several events like Night to Shine, the uh Thanksgiving outreach at Lorie Wilson every single Thanksgiving day. There are many things that we do to invest in this community. We are
committed to being a good neighbor. Um, and so I would it just for the sake of any other nonprofit in the future that does not pay that is exempt of uh property taxes, I would argue that they deserve uh to participate in this just
like anyone else uh and shouldn't be penalized because they are exempt. But it's just that we currently have rules, right, about what you have to do to qualify, right? I I get that. Those are existing rules. All the things you just
said are great things, but they're not like in the rules as you know, some of them you could read it in. But I'm just saying if if the bulk of what you're doing this goround y is for the property that you are paying taxes on, yes, then
then I'm with it. But when you go to do the main building and all your final upgrades and all that, we'll have to have another conversation and change, you know, maybe potentially change our criteria, right? Because currently the
non taxexempt property wouldn't meet our our criteria. Okay. I mean, that's that's fine. I think that's and with that said, I'll move to approve this uh grant application. All right. We have a motion to discuss. You already
discussed the board. I can still get a second on my motion to approve. No, we have already have a motion on the on the table right now to discuss. Well, we've already Well, I don't think we're done discussing. We didn't we didn't finish asking the rest of the We didn't finish
getting We didn't finish getting So, I agree with you, though. But, you know, Yeah. I you know I've been um concerned about this um for for those reasons that you brought up and and explained. Um also it is the CRA the
purpose of the CRA is redevelopment of blighted areas. I would consider that building blighted. Um and by improving that building it also improves the look of the entire city. you know, if we leave just one property just because
it's exempt from taxes um in in that state, then we're doing it probably a disservice to the entire um uh community for that. Uh the fact that you're paying taxes on that parking um
is surprising. Um, and I'd like to ask the attorney, do the other church pay do the other churches that have parking pay taxes on their parking? If they don't rent it out, they don't rent it out. See, they make a profit on it, so they have to pay taxes on it. Yes, that's
that's the distinction. Your normal church has a parking lot that nobody's in during the day or during the week. We have one on on South First Street that does that does rent it out. Yes. then it should be paying um tax on it. Just checking that that may be something we
need to discuss. So um but from from that perspective um you know I I agree with this. Uh one of the other issues I have is that uh we're not to give more than 50%
of what the total amount is. Right? So, we can't give you $50,000 of a grant if it's under $100,000 you're spending. It goes by default. It goes Yeah. But here's how it goes. I've gone through this. So, let's say miracle occurs and
they only have they can get all this done for $80,000 and they got all their receipts. They come to the city, the city gives them 40. Right. Okay. So if it's 99,000 and change, I know it's a small amount, they still get half, but if they end up
spending 10 to get it done, they still only get 50, right? That's just not what the numbers are showing here. It's showing under 100 that they're requesting $50,000. Yeah, but the way that it works, Devin could
tell you, the way that it works is they only get paid 50% of what they spend up to a maximum of $50,000. I'm aware of that. We did the same for Dirty Birds. That's basically what I'm stating. And so I don't want there to be any confusion that, oh, why didn't we get
50,000? You know, that's the max and why didn't we get that? It's because it's 50% up to 50,000. Um, so if you spend over 100,000, you'll get the max. I mean, if it's approved by the commission, of course. Yeah, that's I think we're talking the
same thing, just across city attorney, does the CRA specifically restrict the CRA investments or grants to tax paying? Yes, explicitly. Uh I but honestly I need I
need to look at that because I request you would not want to guess and for the reason that and and if it does explicitly then then that that's important but that's the requirements.
Is that in the packet? No, it's just I I requested to for my research um and then I also did a property uh search on his property. the property that you're stating says um that you in fact do pay
advum taxes on that whole parcel. You're paying advorum taxes on your parcel, which means in my opinion it doesn't it doesn't um it doesn't split it. It doesn't split it. It's for that whole parcel. Mr. Mayor, do you mind if I share this with Yes. And the part that
the mayor's referencing is one of the bulleted items says must pay advum taxes on the property and it does say it explicitly. So when you look up his parcel of property on Bvard property appraiser, you'll pull up this whole parcel and you'll show that he does play adorum taxes for that entire parcel. And
so I think on that basis, so I think that's good. And I think the other piece of that where he qualifies and that's important. The CRA talks about improving the walkability and the visibility. I think we also looking in context of the
CRA we we invested in cultural green space and I think to pastor's point bringing folks into the city not it's not solely based on taxability which they do qualify but the ability to improve the walkability and vis and the
facade of the city as well as the um the draw of bringing folks in that benefit our local businesses. I think those are also important factors that I think do apply here. Would this be a good time to make my motion to approve? I still want to get see if we have any other public
comments. Well, we can do that after the motion. Okay, that's true. Um, yeah, go ahead. I make a motion to approve up to $50,000. Second. All right. Motion and a second. Um, any
public comment on on this? Okay. Um, like I said, to me, I read I I did I did my research. I read through every single requirement. I checked with the Bvard Property Appraiser. This this project and the pictures that he's um
supplied to me, uh I think he's 100% uh worthy of this grant. So, um all in favor, I All opposed. Motion passes 40. Now, I will say it looks like
you you had a question about the other church property with the parking. No, I don't want to discuss that right now. Okay. That's something for that we'll look into later. Okay. Possibly. But there we go. Well, they're not asking
for a grant. No, no, no. So, we can discuss that later. Yeah. I just wasn't sure if you want to talk about it. Um All right. Where are we at now? Number three. Um, item three, request approval of a commercial visual improvement grant in
the amount of $25,000 for the Catalyst Shop located at 109 North Orlando Avenue, Cocoa Beach, Florida, 32931. Staff Representative Devin Tally, Deputy Finance Director, CRA. Recommendation approved.
I'd like to see more of a presentation than what I have in my packet before I make a motion to approve. So, I do have Eric here from the Catalyst Shop to talk about his project and Karen, if you could pull up the picture as well that's listed in one of
the attachments. Come on up. Thank you. Eric Crownold, general manager of Catalyst Surf Shops in the area. Um less of a drastic um facelift
for us. Um but uh deck has actually been replaced already. We thought uh didn't do my due diligence on how to go about applying for the grant. So we started it and then realized we needed to come present our case first. Um so we already
uh replaced the deck. Um there's plenty of um flashing on the roof that's rusting and leaking and kind of an eyes sore as long as that as well as that Spanish tile on the roof. Um not looking to replace it, just clean it, paint the
building. Um and that's about it. Do you have any pictures or renderings of what you want it to look like or That's that's that is it. Um, the current ones I don't have
good quality images of currently. Okay. So, you're you're talking about replacing that Spanish. No, it's currently very dark. That's just going to be pressure washed. There's some flashing up above. Um, yeah. Where it connects. You can't you can't really see
it in the image. Um, that we need to get replaced. I just don't You're asking for $25,000 grant. I'm not seeing. So in total I'm not seeing $50,000. Correct. In total the quotes I got. We don't we don't have those quotes. Okay. So
they're they're right around $20,000 in total. Um so our application would be for just about $10,000. And how many quotes did you get? Several. I'd have to break them down and I can bring those by I believe uh
require we're required to get three quotes per trade. So we didn't go so all these are just sub quotes rather than uh paying for a GC uh it's all pretty uh yeah I don't think
I don't think for somebody that wants to apply for a grant they're required to have three quotes like the city asked for when we do stuff. But they they have to be able to sell what they're asking for. It was in the old the old uh I
haven't looked at the new I just got a copy of the new um requirements. It was in the old requirements, but I don't know what the new one is. So, forgive me. I I didn't realize the whole packet had changed. So, you're you're saying that the quote you have is for $10,000.
20 20. Yeah. Okay. I I mean I haven't broke them down on my application, but I could bring up to $10,000. Correct. I mean, I think if he if he checks all the boxes and and he's able to do it, I I
wouldn't mind giving you the money for it. I think it's Okay. Well, the the request was for 25,000 and now he's saying 10,000. So, I'll move to approve $10,000 for the Catalyst Shop. Second, located at 109 North Orlando Avenue,
Cocoa Beach. Motion in a second. Um, do you have anything else you wanted to say? I think that about does it. Okay. Thank you. Any other public comment on this? Okay. Um and and before we vote, will you get with him
before he leaves and just kind of explain the process of the expenditures, the dates that the expenditures have to occur after today, you know, and they have to be in by a certain amount of time and you know, you have like six months in order to finish
the project and stuff like that. Yes, I can do that. And to answer your question, mayor, it's three contractor bids or justification for why you don't have that. Okay, that's correct. I I remembered something like that. Okay. Just there's technicalities and people
get caught up in it. Okay. Um yeah, so public comment sounds good. We got no there was no public comment. It looks like um I already asked. Um so all in favor I All oppose. Motion passes.
40. All right. All right. The recess commission. We will reconvene with the commission meeting now. How about that? you know, this next session um back to 25,000
um rather than 50 just so that we can make sure because it seems like we're starting to get more popular with it now. That way we can we can um help more businesses out with it rather than next year. It sounds like we would only have about two that we'd be able to give out
rather than uh more. So, I don't know if you I don't know. I should have done it during the CRA meeting. Um but uh we can't change that just in one meeting. No, it can be done by a resolution of the CRA. Right. Right. So, I just want I
don't know how we should go about it, but I just want to put that on everybody's radar that put that on the agenda for next year. Okay. And we put that on the on the agenda for next year. And that's what it used to be, right? I just want to make sure that we can help more people I because next year is
going to be a little limited. Okay. Sorry. Uh number one. Okay. This is unfinished business. Um item one, approve the replacement rooftop unit RTU HVAC system for the police department in the amount of
$50,390 from Southeast Services of CFL, Inc. Four proposals were received for this unit. Southeast Services performs work for the city of Cape Canaveral, Bvard County School Board, and Port Canaveral, among others. This is not a budgeted
item in fiscal year 25. Staff Representative Brad Calzo, water reclamation and public works director West Mullins, Chief of Police. Recommendation approved. Move to approve. Second. Motion a second. Any public comment?
John Dylan Cocoa Beach if you'all remember last meeting I brought up the subject about the concerns of what has caused this it's called environment corrosion and also stated does this requirement as part of the C what call coding to prevent the problem it has that been included with this package or
is it not if not it need be modified so it can be for that house make it yeah um yes so supposedly it's been included and I will say that um this company I've known for a long time as well. Uh they
are they are they are great and they came in almost 15,000 less than what we had budgeted for previously. So um I think I think this is a good thing. Uh any other public comment? All right. Any commission comment?
That's good. All right. All in favor? I I All opposed? Motion passes 40 number two. Okay. Um, new business. Approve ordinance 1698 on first reading, an ordinance of the city of Cocoa Beach, Florida,
amending chapter 26.5, vacation rentals of the code of ordinances of the city of Cocoa Beach, revising provisions as to occupancy to prevent the use of vacation rentals as party houses and to not include infants under two years of age in the occupant count and providing for
conflicts, codification, severability, and an effective date. Staff Representative David Dicki, development services director. Recommendation approve. Move to approve as read. Second. Got a motion in a second. Any public
comment, Miss Scott? Sure. Come on, J. Talk about the ordinance. Well, I always enjoy the discussion about the ordinance and tell the public what it's about. Um, Janice Scott, Cocoa Beach. Okay. So, I I
am asking that you insert something in this ordinance that will prevent renting vacation rentals when there's a hurricane approaching. So, there are not hurricane party people coming here. You
know, when you when you stay at a hotel, the hotel shuts down or you get guidance if you're a guest at a hotel about what to do and how to do it. If you're at a house somewhere, you don't get that. And I think that would be really important
given the numbers of vacation rentals. I think they me someone mentioned it somewhere now in the single family between 500 and 700. Um, that's what my comment is. I made a comment earlier about hurricane
evacuation and it is a serious thing for category 4 and above. Thank you. Thank you, Jennice. Yeah, come on up, sir. State your name and address and you have three minutes. Riley Goldman, um, 485 Northshore Drive.
Um, so 12 years ago, I remember your dad coming in to Cocoa Beach High and giving a speech about a plane, right? And how a year how if you're one or two two degrees off of where you want to go, you
end up in the middle of nowhere. All right. I don't think the city commission right now has a plan. We are putting in a $300 million hotel that's going to hold 5,000 people on convention centers that are going to come to Cook Beach
every single day. Every single week, there's going to be 5,000 new residents every three three days. And we're we're funding that. Our our Bvard County is giving $30 million to that project, right? What's frustrating to me is is all the
acts are being put in place for these vacation rentals, right? They're discriminatory. Like genuinely this this act says that within 15 minutes if someone comes to the house with for over 15 minutes they become an occupant. All right. I rent I I rent not gonna lie
over 150 rentals in city of Cocoa Beach that I manage four other people. All right. I have local people always ask me hey my mom needs a place to stay. Am I supposed to tell them your you can't visit your mom now because you're going to be over the resident amount. She can't come visit you. Should I tell
them, hey, you know what? You need to stay somewhere else and you can't allow and you can't support. I have 75 employees, right? Well, if people can't run out and people can't visit them, all right, I can't rent two Airbnbs and then I can't go over. Tim, is it true? You
invited me to your u your house for your son's birthday party this weekend. Are does that mean over eight people are going to be at your house? We might have had a few more than eight. Okay. Why is he allowed to have over eight people but then someone else doesn't? Now I look,
let me I I get it. I've had over 28,000 stays in the last five years and I've had one party that was truly like a big party. And only one time has a cop been called due to noise ordinance. And I have noise monitors in every single one of my units. and I immediately contact
the guest and have 247 support contacting any single time there's no noise over a certain decimal range after 9:00 p.m. Why isn't that a regulation we're putting in? Why aren't we mandating noise monitors in our units? Why are we allowed to throw parties as
local residents, but then a the neighbor if they play music at 2 p.m. in the afternoon, they're going to be fined? Why is it that if someone parks in front of a vacation rental, they can get a ticket for parking on the street, but I can throw a party at my house. If my friends come over, I they're not going
to get ticketed and there's no warning. I've never been ticketed once in Cocoa Beach for having a car parked on the street, but I've received two in the last month. Like, it's discriminatory. At some point, it's discriminatory. All right. And look, I congratulations on your 30 son 30th. I love Tyson is the
greatest person on the planet. I'm a local resident. I know I'm over time, but at some point, I really mean it. Like, if it's just what direction are we going in? Are we going to do a 30 mil $300 million and have 3,000 people or are we going to be like, "All right, at what point are we going to become a party town? Why do we allow drinking on
the beach?" There's no direction. Like, either make it a small little beach town or make it like just accept it as it is and like, hey, they're legal here and we got to accept in. That's what pays everyone bills. Everyone's hospitality industry here. Everyone benefits from it. Everyone who owns a local restaurant
benefits from people coming to this town. And the more and more we make that difficult, five years from now, we're going to be saying, "Oh, damn. Why do all the restaurants go out of business?" And it's going to be like, "Oh, well, we we don't want the visitors." I'm I'm sorry. I'm done. Real quick, I don't know if I misunderstood what you said in the
beginning. Did you say that my dad came up here high? I'm not high. No, you said my dad came up here high. He came to Cocoa Beach High. Coco Beach High. Okay. Okay. Coco Beach High. He He gave a speech at Cocoa Beach High. Miss Fernandez is okay. Me and look at each other like 12 years
ago. You're trying to get me. You're trying to get me on your side. You're talking about my dad. My my apologies. All right. No problem. I just want to clear that up cuz my my my dad is the preacher at Club Zion Church. And um ever since he became
saved, I've never ever seen him high. So before before he was saved, before he was saved, he he used to get high. Um, hallelujah. So, uh, any hold on any other public comment?
Okay. I'm I'm not I want to discuss a little bit here. I do, too. Okay. Um, I mean, I think you I think you bring up some some great points and honestly I wasn't the one that brought this forward, so I was not really I wasn't really particularly for this, but um
with your I there's going to be people that that live in their Airbnbs as well and uh so my I have a concern that if you have people living in their Airbnbs like what are you going to do like if they have like you said they want to have people come over and this and
this when when it's owner occupied, this provision doesn't apply. I mean, it didn't say that. Yeah, it does. Does it? I didn't read that. I'd have to. And even if even if the owner even if it was owner occupied and
it wasn't for them, there's not an owner in in this city that would allow a a house party while they're living there. They would say, "You guys are going to get me kicked out." So I would say at the at the least Yes. Okay. Includes
Wait a minute. I I mean I get I get the reason behind it, but I think if it's owner occupied, this shouldn't apply at all for one. And okay. Um I believe it's in there that it doesn't apply for owner occupied, but if it's
not there, it will be for second reading. I I think I think as long as the owner is on the property, it shouldn't apply. Period. Can we Yeah. Could we have um Yeah. Dave, if you want to come up next. I've got a couple questions also.
Good evening. Um, yeah. I mean, it's I I hear all of the issues that were raised by this speaker. Um, I'm just here to let the commission know that from a staff perspective, we
certainly get a lot of complaints uh from residents about what we're deeming party houses. Um, and this is an attempt to address that issue. Um, we have a lot of complaints
about and and the issues are mostly parking out in the streets um and noise and garbage and all the things that would come along with with uh um party events going on in residential neighborhoods.
So, are the complaints that you're getting predominantly after 10 o'clock or before 10 o'clock at night? Uh, before 10 o'clock. Okay. We have a lot of photos that were provided from residents and they're all during the day.
I I found the place where it is located. It's in section and we're not changing it. This is already in in there. It's section 26.5-53. And the maximum occupancy restriction as set forth above shall not apply when the property owners owner occupied by the
vacation rental owner. So it does not apply when they're there. Did you want to go next? Go ahead. Um I just want to address a couple things. Um first of all, I'm in I'm in
support of the ordinance as written. Um, I understand the speaker's saying that, you know, all these people coming here and staying in Airbnbs are helping the economy and all that and restaurants and
bars and, you know, everybody's staying in business because all these extra people are here that don't feel like cooking. But, uh, you know, to continue to encourage, uh, an exponential growth in Airbnbs in
our city is going to hurt our community because we'll no longer have families here, which means we'll no longer have kids here, which means we'll no longer have schools here, which will be more detrimental to the overall economy,
property values, and everything else to the city than this particular particular restriction on Airbnbs to try to make them more residential friendly. So, I continue to support it. As far as the
comment about uh putting in language saying that, you know, at a certain point when a hurricane gets to a certain point, you know, in the bubble, in the square, however you want to say it, that you have to tell these people to cancel the reservations.
If I own an Airbnb property and there's a storm coming, I I'm not going to want to be liable for people being there and for allowing them to come there during into harm's way. I don't want to be liable for that. And you know, if it's
not completely 100%, you know, hurricane glass and hurricane protected, I'm going to want to go shutter the place up. And nobody's want to stay in it all shuttered up to begin with. So, I don't think they're, you know, this thing about hurricane parties, you know, if
people decide to stay here during mandatory evacuation and hunker down, they'll be partying by themselves or maybe with a couple neighbors in their house because all the bars and businesses are going to be shut down because we do that. The only thing that'll stay open till the last minute
is the fire department and the police department. Hunker down. now is full and oh uh and Jonathan's is full. Okay. I don't want to anyway. Um I I just don't think the argument of
adding a special section in here to say they have to cancel reservations, whatever. I think the the people that would be staying there, if they're respectable people, are going to say, "I'm not gonna go rent a place for a hurricane party and bring a bunch of
people there when we may not be able to get back off the island." You know, it's just I'm not willing to add that between the first and second reading. Could be discussed further in the future, but I'm willing to pass this as is.
Becky, go ahead. Um, I can tell you that, um, because the West Coast has suffered hurricanes a lot more recently than we have. Um, in um, cities that my firm represents on the West Coast, and we represent three barrier island cities over there. um
when a hurricane is coming, that's normally one of the requests they make to us is to draft we draft emergency orders for them, which we would if a hurricane were coming here, we would there'd be a declaration of emergency and there'd be hurricane um based
emergency orders. One of the first emergency orders is all vacation rentals. The people have to leave and you have those powers during an emergency. You don't have to put it in your We've done that. We've done that here before. Um I doubt it. I I honestly don't
remember. Um kind of emergency orders. Oh, of course. Special course. Absolutely. I just don't remember if we've done one having to do with vacation. I I would suggest that we put a paragraph in the registration when they sign that they need to follow state
and city um uh requirements during evacuation notices and and all that. Just so it's just so it's there that they signed it. Yep. They're supposed to follow these rules. They're going to be following. I agree with you. And we and that and that doesn't need to be in an ordinance. That's just in the document that they
sign. And and I think that's a great idea. But even if we didn't have that, you know, that would probably be one of the first emergency ordinances or emergency orders you would want to adopt. Okay. Any other commission comment? Uh
yes. Okay. Um 15 minutes. Can you if um Dave if you could tell us explain the 15minute um rule 15 minutes of uh an occupant is to be considered an occupant if they're there for 15
minutes. Why that's in there or can you Becky or um you can we could we could change that to a half hour or an hour but you know we don't want parties going on and we also don't want the police officer to
have to stay there in time. How long have this group of people been there? So, it's an enforcement it's an enforcement issue, but I think we could put really any number in there. We would just it would
just be part of the violation that the officer would have to say, the code officer or the police officer would have to say that in fact they observed that the people were there for more than 15 minutes, a half hour, an hour, two
hours, whatever it might be. Go ahead, Wes. Hi, Wes Mullins, police chief. Yeah, it's tough. Uh, I'm in complete support of doing something that Dave is trying to to actually do here. Um, it's going to give us more teeth. The time is a good point, but it's almost like chalking a tire on parking,
right? Like, how do you know, you know, and how do we prove that? How do we prove that when we go in and go out of a house? Are we going to sit inside somebody's house for 15 minutes with a body cam on and count to 15 minutes? are we not like proving those things and walking down that lane going downstream
on the actual ordinance is important because it's important that we actually have to be able to enforce the thing right um but as far as that or nothing I completely support Dave's ordinance completely 100% because we have to do something he's getting a ton of
complaints so are we and they are during the day so I just want to keep in mind that just because we make the ordinance there's still the enforcement side of it and It's a great point, Commissioner, you know, but whether it's 15 minutes, 30 minutes, it has to be something. So that, you know, that's all I have to
say. Okay. Thanks. One one quick comment, mayor. Um, is that also this is a, you know, there's always going to be officer discretion involved. We just don't have the staff to go out and enforce this on every Airbnb in the city. I mean, this will
more than likely be driven by complaints, right? And so that will that will alert us of a possible violation. Officers will go out and look and we'll be able to have this tool in our tool chest to work with it. But so yeah, I I'm not I'm not you know I I don't
anticipate um the uh you know going out and and overly enforcing this code. This will be really more complaint. It's a tool in your toolbox. Yes. It's not that we have Airbnb,
you know, Gestapo, you know. Correct. Um it it's like if there's 12 people there and there's supposed to be six and somebody complains about it, by the time the police get there, they've probably been there an hour
already. So that police only has to stay there for 30 minutes or 15 minutes now to observe more than the six people and then they can act. Yeah. Correct. Yes. Okay. So, I'm willing to live with it as is. And real real quick, Wes, I mean,
you guys actually do chalk tires for for checking on times for things for the 90minute park. It's kind of an old school term with our parking guys do. Um, we have a little bit more technology now than that time, but I'm just kind of trying to draw the analogy there. Um, but you are correct, Commissioner. The
squeaky wheel will get the grease on this one. If they're loud and they're a pain, we will be there and we will make sure that we get the time right. Right. But if they're not causing a problem, Dave's completely right. We will use complete discretion. And you know, we're not here to be the Gestapo like you said. So, all right. And the other thing
is it'll get rid of those pesky salesmen that won't leave. They've been there. So, you say you've been here 13 minutes and you got to go to violations. All right. And go ahead. Well, I was
going to say, you know, normally you get one time to speak, but I mean, you do own or you do manage 150 units and you seem like you wanted something else to say, so I want you to have your say. Um, you said Riley. Yeah. Before you come up, I just want to commend you for
Go ahead. Come on up. Um, you were at the meeting uh a couple years ago when we started this process of Airbnb restrictions and and whatnot. And um you know at that time you said you had these decel um readers in in their in your
houses so you you get advised you get a notification if it's getting too loud in in your residence and and I I appreciate that and you're following all the rules and now we're changing some of the rules or a lot of the rules. Um but uh not everyone follows through like that and
and runs their Airbnbs like you do. It's unfortunate. Um but but that's the case and that's that's what our concern is. So so my my thing would be like doing it at 9 like say at 900 p.m. you have 15
minutes. If there's too many people that's going to be easy to get over but like what if it's Thanksgiving they're having their family over for Thanksgiving. Are we like because we have some per and you guys keep on using there's a lot of complaints. Well I can call code enforcement on my neighbor every single day if I want to. Right.
anytime there's any issue and if someone's like, "I hate that neighbor. I'm going to call the cops every time someone pulls in. I think there's there's there's six people in there when there's only allowed to be four, like you guys are going out because of whatever the residents wants to do." And in terms of safety and like cops being
called and your guys' time, energy, and effort, I own 115 long-term rentals where I rent to long-term residents in Cocoa Beach. All right. I have way more 911 calls to my long-term residents due to drug issues, due to evictions, due to
all sorts of things that long-term residents are doing. And I will gladly record every single time I call 911 to my long-term units and to my short-term units and then compare how many times are you guys actually going out because you're just going off of, oh man, I get this call a lot. Well, what statistics
are we using to make this decision, right? What statistics are you using to write up an ordinance to be able to say or is it just like hey everyone comes to a commission meeting and saying I hate Airbnbs and I understand your argument of hey away did you know long-term residents in Cocoa Beach has only
dropped by 2% over the last 5 years on average 2%. Right. The only difference is I'm born and raised Cocoa Beach. I used to have four vacant homes on my where there are summer homes for people in in the Hamptons or winter homes for people in the Hamptons. Only difference
is is they rent them out. Now, what is the long-term difference of having it in Koko Beach? And what statistics are we making when we're making these decisions? And like, who are you asking? Are you asking the people are just saying, "I I hate it." Are you asking people like me or Happy Palm who are
actually renting these units out? All right. And hey, these homeowners are paying their property taxes, too. They are. They're paying for your pre tax. And some properties are going outrageously through. So, you guys can have beautiful buildings like this. But like make it so at night, you know what?
Complaint all you want. And I agree with you. I don't want someone throwing a party at 2 am. As little as you. I want it less. That's why I have no monitors in. I'm I'm done. Thank you. The main issue is um you a typical
residents will have a party maybe few couple times a year. Um usually when you go somewhere on vacation, you're there to party and have fun. And the problem is you have people renting
multiple times a week and and they're there to party. They're there to have fun. So the problem is it's like how do you you I hate I'm for less government regulation. I hate the thought of of adding regulation. I mean um but there
needs to be some type of protection for for the residents. And this is where I'm really I'm really torn because I don't like government oversight and and and regulation. Um but at the same time, I want I want to make sure that the residents can live in their residential
homes without being um you know, burdened by people that wanted that are on vacation. Um so that's that's where that's where I get torn on this issue. Um, I I personally would be fine too
with a with it changing the time so that I'm okay with that as well. Um, but I don't know the rest of the commission would would consider that. I I think we start with it as written. Okay. Um, any other commission comment? We're We're all good to I think we
covered it pretty good. Okay. I think we did. I I think what what we have here is we're giving um the code enforcement and police uh tools to use at their discretion. You know, when there's a
situation, they don't want to escalate it. Said, "Hey, you need to break this up. This there's too many people here. It's an Airbnb." Blah blah blah. And give them an opportunity. And that's that allows them to do that with with the numbers that are in this ordinance.
Do we do you know um chief do we have any provisions for for people that are basically nuisance callers? One that one particular person that calls on their neighbor over and over and over. Can we can we somehow um have some kind of
protection on on for some of this stuff? We did see that with noise or noise ordinance. We had a problem with that and it still continues to this day and I feel like we're not some of the some of the actually the worst actors. It's a It's a first amendment right freedom of speech. You got a phone number you can
call at some point. You're you're you're being a nuisance. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And you're and you're you're using resources that don't need to be used. So, um I don't want to paint with a broad brush here, okay? So, let's be specific
to your question. um within the ordinance if anybody does um there's state statute now correct me on this but uh if you make an ordinance violation complaint you are not allowed to do it anonymously okay at all so that has to be tracked right yes okay so that's
number one number two there is no to the commissioner's point violation of calling three or four times now you can misuse 911 right that's another issue um our folks are pretty good at deescalating those types of situations though. I don't want to I don't want to, you know, talk this up like it's some
big issue that it it doesn't happen. When we come out, we talk down noise violations. We just did one the other day. There was a loud party out there. We talked them down, asked them to turn it down. They were fine. There's other times where they don't turn it down. This just helps us out. That's all it
does. And he'll get a anybody who will get a a verbal warning first to make sure. Yeah, of course. and they'll get, I guess, a reasonable amount of time to comply. Yeah, we're not I will back our officers and code enforcement officers
if people deserve whatever they get, right? But we will try to just mitigate that behavior down to a reasonable offer and just get compliance. We're not here to, you know, hit anybody hard with tickets or anything. Okay. Okay. I just want to
make sure that we're being fair because And all that's public record, by the way. Whoever calls is public record. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. I think we're we're good. So, all in favor of this ordinance, um I I I I All
opposed. Motion passes 40. That was a tough one. That was a tough one for me, honestly. Um because like I said, I I I wrestle between government oversight and and um you know, personal personal responsibilities and and all that. So, but thank you for speaking
your mind and I I really I I appreciate it and I and I did listen hard. All right. Okay. Item two, accept the engineers recommendation of award for the bid submit by CK Contractors and Development LLC in the amount of
$2,214,480 for bid number CB25-00005 A1A sewer pipe replacement project. allow staff to enter into contract with CK contractors and development LLC. This is a budgeted capital project. Staff
Representative Brad Cowzo, water reclamation and public works director. Recommendation approved. Move to approve. Second. Motion and a second. Um this is for for our sewer pipe we got running through A1A and other areas that
are are badly needing repair. Um, in case anybody didn't know what this was about, if you got any public comment, um, you're free to come up. Okay. Any commission comment? No. Okay. All in favor? I I All opposed. Motion passes 40.
Um, next city attorney. So, that's it. Oh, yeah. That was removed because the complete commission is not here. I see that. Yep. All right.