Good morning all. Um, my name is Lonnie Groot. I'm the special magistrate for code enforcement for the city of Cocoa Beach. And, uh, with us today is Mr. Michael Bryan serving as the clerk to the code enforcement process and Miss
Danielle Crawford who's the code enforcement officer for the city. Uh are there any other introductions that need to be made Crawford? Uh no, not at this time. At this time. All right. Uh I have no minutes to approve. Do I Mr. Bryant? No.
Okay. So there's no need to approve minutes. So I'll just go over some brief items. I don't I see some unfamiliar faces here, I think. So, I'll just go over the the process real quickly. Like I said, I'm the special magistrate for code
enforcement. Uh not a judge, but we are in a quai judicial process, which means that there's two sides to us to this situation. One is the city, the other is the respondent in various cases. Uh the city presents
evidence, the respondent presents evidence, and I make a decision. It's that simple. Uh We're in the sunshine. We're on We're open in city hall. Anybody can come in and watch. We have We're being broadcast by you on YouTube.
Is that correct? Yes. And it's available after the broadcast on YouTube for others to watch. But that being said, this isn't a public hearing. So the only people who talk are those who are sworn as witnesses and either
called by the city or called by the respondents. Okay? So every bit of evidence taken today is going to be taken under oath or submitted in documents and that's the evidence I'll consider at the end of a
case before I make a decision. The decision will be announced orally here at the this proceeding case by case and then sometime within the next few days a written order will be issued that will detail what was ordered
here. That's it's that's simple and of a process. Okay. Uh each case will be called individually. Miss Crawford will either present the case or call witnesses to help her present the case and then the property owner can can
testify and call witnesses. And also during after the city's witnesses testifi, they're subject to being cross-examined. respondents can ask them questions, but also the city can ask respondents questions after they testify, too. Sort
of like a court, but not entirely like a court. Okay. Did I miss anything, Miss Crawford? No, I I think that's everything. Okay. I have the agenda before me. I see there was a change in the order in a couple cases, but are any cases to be
eliminated from the agenda today? There are actually um case number 25-73 has come into compliance um and doesn't need to be heard and then case number 25-46
um we are removing from the agenda. Okay. And that was a Massie hearing. Yes. Okay. So the first case today is case number 24-19
which the respondent is Michael D. Lithicum. Yes. Okay. So uh well let's do this first. Anybody who's going to testify today, I'd like you to rise and we're going to
I will administer the oath. Okay? So, if you're going to talk today, then stand up and raise your right hand. Thank you. Mr. Lithica, can you state your full name first, please? Yes, ma'am.
Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Oh, Daniel Crawford. Okay. Daniel Crawford. Yes, ma'am. All right. All right. Mr. To each you solemnly
swear at the testing about the given the matters now hearing but the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth help you God. Yes. Thank you very much. All right Mr. Crawford you may proceed. Um so the first case is DSC24-191. The respondent is Michael Lithicum of
185 Bahama Boulevard. Um parcel ID and legal description as seen here. On July 23rd, 2024, a courtesy notice was mailed to the respondent for the missing pool enclosure, inoperable boat,
and trash and debris on the property. The the respondent regularly checked in by phone and worked to clean the property of trash and debris. On November 7th, 2024, a notice of violation was issued to the respondent for the missing pool enclosure and
inoperable boat. The respondent's inoperable boat was referred to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission and officer specialist Morgan Maslo from FWC opened a case and proceeded with the derelct vessel process. Through this process, the
inoperable boat has successfully been removed. On November 18th, 2024, the respondent called for the city uh a records request to obtain a survey for the fence company that he hired. However, the city didn't have any of his
surveys on file. He stated he would pay to have a new survey completed. And then on April 9th, 2025, the respondent was again reminded to obtain a pool enclosure and was reminded that the city did not have any of his surveys
on file for the fence company to use. The respondent stated he would pay to have a new survey completed and pull a fence permit right away. On June 3rd, 2025, a notice of hearing was sent to the respondent due to no permit application being submitted for the
fence. Um, and no fencing permit has been issued as of today, July 9th, 2025, and the fence remains in non-compliance. Um, here is an Just so you'll know. Yes. Is did you want the PowerPoint up here,
too, or is that where we're going to show it? Um, this is where and do you want the when you're through with the PowerPoint, you want that introduced into evidence? I do. Thank you. Okay. You understand that, Mr. The PowerPoint presentation, which we're
looking at now, that will be offered into evidence. Okay. This is you're reviewing it as it proceeding too, right? Yes, sir. You understand what I'm saying?
Oh, he's talking. Yes, sir. I'm sorry. Yeah, the PowerPoint presentation that is being presented by the city now that's going to be introduced into evidence unless you object and you have a good objection. Okay.
So, on the PowerPoint um is a BCPAO aerial view of the property. Um it's in a blue rectangle. Um and you can see in in the in the backyard there is a pool which is why we are so adamant about
getting the fence. Um this is an image of the inoperable boat and it has since been removed. Um this is a photo of the trash and debris which has also been removed. Um a
closer look at the trash and debris. Um, and then here is an early example of the missing fence on the side of the property. And then a temporary um orange fence has
been put up to help deter uh people from entering the property. And that is all the evidence that uh the city has to present. I have the packet of evidence too. Did you want that introduced evidence?
Yes, please. Mr. Mr. Lithic, there's a documents that are the notices to you and the return receipt, green cards, etc. Do you have any objection to that being introduced in evidence? Oh, I understand.
Yep. The the city stated that the boat was removed, the inoperable boat was removed, and that the trash and debris is no longer an issue. So, the the issue that we're talking about now is the fence, the
pool, fencing, the pool. Okay, we're going to talk about that in a second. Do you have any questions of Miss Crawford at this time? Well, I've had the same issue with some of my things, too. When they're busy, they not too attending. So, if the city
can give you a list of people, I know they're not recommending any particular person, but they'll give you a list of people that to contact, but that seems to be the issue is that you need a survey in order to put the enclosure up. The fence company
I understand you need a new survey. No doubt about it. Okay. Okay. Do you have any questions, Miss Crawford besides that one? That's good. Okay. All right. Mr. Crawford, do you
have anything else to introduce? Okay. That's August. I wondered about that. Horrible with dates, but and I've been traveling for a long time, so I'll believe anything about dates, right?
So August 29th, which is be plenty of time to have a ser is that what we said? August August 9th. August 9th. That'll be plenty of time to get a survey and a survey done and get the permit submitted,
permit application submitted. All right, Mr. Litham, do you have anything you'd like to present? But you want to come up to the microphone. Okay, that's fine. I can hear you. Can everybody else Does it work for the recording? I'm not sure.
Okay. I understand. I totally understand. You need a new survey and you got to get a hold of a surveyor who will do the work promptly. All right. Well, you'll have until August 9th, unless you think there's a
reason that August 9th is unreasonable. Colorado Well, you know, the pool enclosure issues. Thank you very much. Oh, thank you, sir. The pool enclosure issues. It's been How long have we been dealing How long has
the city been dealing with this? It's over a year. Well, and and all it takes is one bad day for some event to occur and then not only is the city really going to be upset, but you're going to be really liable, too. That's
so if something bad happens, like somebody walks into it or something like that. So, I don't hear any reason that August 9th isn't a reasonable period of time, unless you can convince me otherwise. I have to get a survey first. Then I had
to recont this fence company to see if they can still do it. When I first wanted it done, they that was back in November of 24. Yes. So 24. And they said they were so
busy they couldn't start or do it till February. So, I figured February would come along and have all the paperwork done, get all the permits and they could do put in the fence, but I haven't been able to cut since they said they
couldn't do it because the lack of a good permit or not permit survey. I mean, and so that's I haven't contacted them since because they said they would not do it without a current survey.
I don't know if they're going to be able to to get it surveyed and install the fence by by August 9th. That's only a month away. Oh, okay. All right. All right. That's a
little different. That gives them another week or two. They said they could do it in two or three days. It's not a big job. You can tell that. But it's just getting to it and having to and like the city said, it's the application that's significant.
Now, the work has to be done, but the application will get you into compliance. And then the next issue is the next issue becomes getting the work done, which will have to be done. It has to be done.
Yes. And I'm all for it. Just if I could add to something. Sure. That fence, my cousin, which is a master carpenter from North Carolina, came down back in 197 something.
Him and I built the fence on both yard, both sides of my yard. On the east side, the same fence was put up, identical pressure treated wood, all top quality wood, and and we we designed it to where
wind go through in case of a hurricane or storms, things of that nature. That side is perfect. This side fell overnight, and I don't know why. Sounds like the wood was a different
quality to me anyway. No, it was top quality wood. Pressure treated and everything it's like the west side of my house over there. I shouldn't say this, my next door neighbors on that side have not been the
most friendly. And they also my dog died just right after that. No, just before that, a couple weeks before that, because she was sniffing along the fence
in the back and she died the next day. Like somebody poured something along that. Let me I'm going to I'm going to interrupt you for for the sake that it's not really relevant, but also for your sake because you may not want to say things publicly about your neighbor that might get around because they might take
offense to that and who knows what would happen next. So, I'm going to go ahead and make a a ruling on this unless you have anything else to say about the case. Okay. All right. In case number DSCE24-191, the city of Cocoa Beach versus Michael
D. Lithicum, I'm going to find that there is has been and is currently a violation of section 3-31 and section five 515.29
of the city code relating to swimming pool enclosures and pool barrier requirements. and that the respondent will be ordered to come into compliance by having a permit submitted
permit application submitted by August 9th, 2025. And should that not occur, there'll be a penalty of $100 for the first day of violation and $50 per day for each subsequent day of violation.
And that'll be the order. Okay. All right. The next case is case number 25-91. Yes. And the style of this case is the city of Cocoa Beach versus Michael Sarco.
Yes. Code enforcement officer Brooke Oxer. I'll be presenting this case. All right. You may proceed. Oh, is Mr. Sarco here? No. coming. Is Mr. Sarco here? Miss Crawford, would
you mind going out into the lobby and calling for Michael Sarco? All right. And Miss Daniel Crawford just went out into the hall and called for Mr. Sarco. So, he has been called three times and he's not present apparently. So, you may proceed.
Um, case number 25-91 is for the address of 300 South Orlando Avenue, units 1 through 6. On April 24th, 2025, a courtesy was mailed to the owner for operating six separate vacation rentals without the
required vacation rental registrations or the vacation rental business tax receipts. On May 13th, 2025, a notice of violation was mailed to the property owner. And on June 6th, a notice of hearing was mailed to the property owner and posted on the property as well as at
city hall. As of today, they have not applied for any of the registrations or BTRs for any of the units. This is the listings on Airbnb for each unit. Not here. So the staff recommendation is
based on the testimony and Evan presented at this hearing. Staff respectfully requests that the magistrate find the respondent in violation of the notice of violation. further requests that the respondent be given until August 9th, 2025 to bring the property into compliance. If the respondent fails to achieve compliance
by that date, a fine in the amount of $100 for the first day and $50 every day thereafter until compliance is confirmed by the code officer. Okay. Let me ask you a question. You're charging a violation of section 26.5-21,
which is the registration for short-term rentals, right? Okay. And then the separate charge is section 13-2, which is for the occupational the occupational license tag. Correct. Okay. So, are you're really are you you're really
asking for two separate findings, a violation, right? Yes. And the one the section 13-2 that that's limited by chapter 205 to a one-time penalty. So, you want that order to be with the onetime penalty.
Yes. And then the other violation you want to be $100 per day for the $100 for the first day and $50 per day for each subsequent day. Yes. Okay. And now I'm gone brain dead. this I
think the maximum fine for violation of not paying the local business tax is $250 plus whatever other statutory penalties and are allowed not penalties but uh
additional sums or it's in the statute okay is that what you want okay and Mr. Sarraco is not here. We've concluded that he still hasn't come in. Okay. In case number 25-7
25-91, I'm going to find that the respondent Michael Sarco is in violation of two code sections. The first being section 26.5-21 which requires registration of vacation
rentals. And in that case, I'm going to find that order that the uh respondent come into compliance by August 9th, 2025 by attaining the proper proper
registration. And should the respondent not do that, a fine of $100 for the first day of violation after that date and a fine of $50 per day for the subsequent days of violation be imposed.
And regarding the violation of section 13-2, which requires payment of the local business tax and receipt and the receipt of a local business tax receipt, I'm going to impose the statutory maximum
fine of $250 for the one-time violation plus whatever other cost are allowed by chapter 205 of the Florida statutes. Is there anything else that the city would like to have heard on that? No. All right, that'll be the order.
Thank you. Okay, next case is case number 24-143 and it is a Massie hearing in which we're here to determine whether or not the property owner attained compliance
relative to a violation that was previously found. Yes, sir. Miss Crawford, you're handling this case? Yes. And is the respondent is Kathleen Berman? Kathleen Burman. Yes.
You're here. Okay. Oh, I I remember y'all because you helped your friend before. Uhuh. Okay. You may proceed. Thank you. Um, so this case is DSC24-143. Uh, respondent is Kathy or Kathleen
Berman. Uh, property 123 Sunset Drive. Um on May 14th, 2025, the respondent was found in violation of the notice of violation in order to correct all violations by June 13, 2025. These
violations included open roof permits, missing required inspections, missing windows, a foundation crack, a deteriorating fence, exposed hanging wires, and a swimming pool. sanitary condition. On May 2nd, 2025,
a building permit was closed as final inspections were completed and the permit closed, resolving the issue of the open roof permits. On May 6, 2025, the respondent initiated building permit number BP-25-940 to address the missing windows, a
foundation crack, deteriorating fence, and exposed hanging wires. On June 18th, 2025, the pool was reinspected by code officer Brooke Oxreader, who observed the surface plants removed from the pool. However,
the pool remained brown and green in color, and the bottom was not visible from the surface. On June 20th, 2025, the pool was reinspected by code officer Brook Oxreer, who observed the pool to be blue and very cloudy. The bottom of the pool
could not be seen from the surface. On June 27th, 2025, the pool was reinspected uh by myself and Brooke who observed the pool to be dark green in color and the bottom of the pool was not visible. Respondents friend showed officers that the bottom of the pool was
dredged, cleared of debris and could and would be vacuumed then treated again. Um this is the posting of the Massie notice. This is um an overview of the home
from BCPAO. And now the property representatives can speak. All right. Okay. Go ahead and go to How do you fit into the Um I am um I consider Kathy my mom. I've
been um she kind of adopted me like 40 years ago. So um I help her out. Okay. So you want this I forgot your name. Noel. Noel. Noel Pearson. You want Noel to speak for you then. Is that right? Miss
I I see two heads shaking. from that moment that she speaks for her heart. as it should be. Okay. Um, we have u I presented those to Danielle. We bought a pool pump. We bought a couple of pumps to try to clear
that pool out. Um, we're having trouble um with the electric and the pool pump being sustained. Uh because um part of the renovation permit that we pulled is once the windows are installed, we're going to the electric done. Um, we are
diligently trying to get that pool so you can see the bottom. Um, of course with the pool pump not being consistent, we didn't want to leave it running uh at the house alone because, you know, we were in fear of, you know, something electrical happening that, you know,
would maybe possibly burn down the house. So, we're going out there and we're spending, you know, hours at a time to run the pump while we're there and and to try to clear out the water. Um, you know, the pool does need to be resurfaced. And, you know, mostly the
priority was to get a roof over her head. Um, we've got the roof done. We're going to the windows are installed. We have uh Mr. uh Chuck Carpenter is our subcontractor for the windows. The windows have been ordered. Uh, We have
about two two and a half weeks before the windows will be here for installation. And um the electrical panel is in the front room or the front house next to a window. So the electrician told me, you know, that it
would be needed to be enclosed before he could, you know, really run proper wiring for protection, you know. So I mean everything's in progress. I mean, we had we've done several things like um you know, get the window sills
up to code. Um you know, we had to pull the old windows, get those boarded up, and I I have paperwork and invoices if you'd like to see those. I'll look to whatever you want, but the bottom line is how much more time are you thinking that you Well, we got two and a half more weeks
before the windows or three, you know, could be up to three weeks before the windows are here. Typically those windows can be, you know, from five to six weeks out once you order them. Um, and Mr. Carpenter, I spoke to him last night and, uh, he said that they should
be here in the next two and a half weeks. So, in the two and a half weeks, once we get that closed up, you know, we can get, um, you know, the power sustained or power stabilized in in that um, house. So, we can run a pump
consistently. the concerns of you know something shortening out. Are you finished? Yeah. Okay. You can come up then. Okay. But do you have any questions, Mr. Crawford?
Uh some of what Noel said I'll address in here and as if I can skip over it as I see it. Kind of wrote it out as a letter. Dear Special Magistrate, City of Cocoa Beach Code Enforcement Department, and the residents of Sunset Drive, Cocoa Beach, it is with a humbled heart we
address each of you. We would like very much to enjoy our remaining life in Cocoa Beach, and we'll be living at 123 Sunset Drive as soon as possible. The two hurricanes of 2024 totally destroyed Cathy's hospitality business of 10 old Florida style cottages in Madrid. This
property will be bulldozed and is currently up for sale. At this point, we home on either side of the our state. No one more than we has a vested interest in the rehabilitation of 123 Sunset. When we received the list of what needed to be done for Sunset, it was daunting,
but we dug in and began work. Upon receiving the paperwork, the only concern from the beginning was the timeline. We knew we would be addressing everything that needed, but due to supply chain issues, mainly buying the windows, we knew up front we probably couldn't reach that deadline uh because
of the four to six weeks. Um the yard is cleared. One last section of fencing is going up. Windows and doors for the entire house are ordered and being fabricated as we speak. Like I said, it was disappointing to hear that it takes that long to get the windows. The house is mostly secured and as soon as the
windows are installed, the house will be completely rewired and then the walls receive our sheetrock paneling. And then we have the pool. The pool has been problematic. We're moving forward. The sanding grid has really been difficult to remove. Although we're advancing the pool stubbornly will not be resolved
within the timeline and we were there several hours just yesterday and the work continues. As we know we can and will prevail, but we can't meet an arbitrary timeline. We found that out. Finding qualified electricians, stuckle concrete people installed as reliable
day workers is difficult. We had highly recommended someone was recommended to us which really helped uh hurt us on the windows someone a name given um the person as much as we I don't want to say hounded them or called do you know put
give us the bid give us the bid do this and do that yeah and then on the final day when Noel said you know we really we need this uh he had absolutely nothing and there were we're standing and this was a name a trusted name in this community given to us as a person who's
for many people. I don't know if he was just overwhelmed, but there you're counting on something and then it they never showed up. That was really the biggest kick in the teeth that we've had. We know time has passed and the repairs aren't accomplished and for that we apologize. At 83, Kathy just didn't
bounce back from the devastating losses of Milton Helen like she did when she was 43. It's true age slow person down. It's also true that the financial obligations continued for the law business while there was now zero income coming in as the facility was and remains completely uninhabitable. This
took time and financial planning to meet those obligations which interfered with cash general cash flow everywhere. Cash flow is now secured. But while we haven't met the timeline, we would like to propose a timeline that we think is actually doable. U this timeline achieves two things. It quickly makes
one, two, three, sunset safe until all repairs are completed. It provides a more reasonable doable time frame because of the supply chain things um accomplishing the qualified code compliant renovations that are needed. Within 10 days, if we could, the entire
property would be secured with a lock gate and reestablishing the one last section of the fencing that was removed. Other than that, the entire pool would not be available to the public at all. If somebody went in there, they would actually be climbing fences and crossing
things and actually trespassing. The pool would also have a cover on it when it would not be working within 90 days, 60 days, 90 days, anything and preferably as soon as possible. The windows installed as soon as they're available as soon as delivered, which hopefully will be within two and a half
to three weeks. The house will be rewired and installed new heat and AC units. The majority of the structural and stuckle repairs have been completed while the windows were being prepped for installation, but the window after the window installed, tidying up the stuckle around the windows and any other
identified areas of need that were noted. Anything additional needing to be addressed that I've overlooked will be completed. We are moving down the checklist of what needs doing. We have the required permits and are requesting this additional time to get this completed. At this point, we are moving
as fast as product arrival will allow. We want this finished and look forward to moving back into 123 sunset. Our deepest apologies that this was not addressed in a more timely manner. Sincerely, Kathy Rene Noel, anybody that's worked on this project,
you have any questions regarding that. So, what I heard as a proposal is to revise the order to say that there would be no fine. Correct.
Okay. That then within 10 days of the order, you secured the property with a lock. Secure the property gated with a lock, right? That you put a pool cover over the pool, right?
when people are there not right I okay and then some period of time which I really didn't get clear to complete the the improvements that are needed in order to
reestablish the wiring that is needed to provide the electricity that is needed to pump the pool which is needed right okay so what's the that's basically what you're asking, what does the city say about this?
So, I'm going to read uh what we had uh previously discussed. Um and then I'm going to refer to my supervisor afterwards, see if there's any additional things we could discuss. Um, so based on the testimony and evidence that the city um submitted at this
hearing, staff respectfully requests that the magistrate find the respondent in violation of the magistrate's order and impose um a fine retroactive to June 20, 2025 in the amount of $100 for the first day and $50 every day thereafter
until compliance is achieved um confirmed by the code officer and then considering anything referring to Brian. This is my supervisor, Brian. So, you opposed that proposal of compliance
only based on the evidence that we presented. Um, I'm going to refer I can speak to that. This was um originally a courtesy notice was sent in June of 2024. Um, we brought this case to you. you
found them in violation and gave them till June 13th to come into compliance, which they did to to a certain extent. They have permits for all the work that needs to be done. Um they have a permit that was completed for the roof that had to be done. So really the only thing
that we're looking at is a is a pool that needs to be cleaned and needs to be secured. Um they requested another extension which I gave them to June 20th. We did numerous inspec numerous inspections on the pool um which was
still in violation. So at this time the city cannot support an extension of time. However, the city would support after the property is brought into compliance a reduction in this code enforcement lean at that time.
We'll talk about that at a later time. But what I understand this to be, tell me if I'm wrong, is a public safety issue. Yes, sir. You have to have visibility at the bottom of a pool to see if anybody's
down there, particularly children. And that's the problem with unfortunately with Tell me if I'm missing the point of the city with the but I've been hearing code enforcement cases or doing
them since 1985. So, I think I got a general idea about swimming pools. The the issue is with children, they don't pay attention to gates, locks, and fences, and they find pool coverings enticing sometimes because they think it's cool to get under pool coverings
and that's probably the issue of the city. Am I misdirected in some way? No, sir. It's a life safety issue and that is the problem. So, you're basically what I also hear the city saying is basically you're you're not concerned about any of the the violence
since the roof is complete. They this wiring and windows is really not something that the city's Well, you're basically saying they're in compliance. Well, they have a permit for the open permit. Yeah, you're basically saying they're in
they've done all that they need to do to deal with the structural issues of the house as of this day. As of this day. And so the only issues issue that remains is swimming pool and Is there a chemical way to keep a pool
clear day after day? I mean, you'd have to do it in Florida. You'd have to do it day after day after day after day. I mean, I live in a condo and our pool guy comes out every morning and the and the water some is discolored at the end of each day and it becomes beautifully
clear after they do their magic each morning. That's That's That's my technical analysis of what happens. It would take a lot of chlorine to do this more than likely, but I'm not a pool expert. I'm not either. That's obviously what I just said.
So, would that be a something that could be done or not? I would suggest that the uh respondents get a hold of a pool company and ask them what they needed to do to clear the pool completely so you can see all the
way into the pool um just for life safety issues. What would that resolve the life safety issue or is it still an insecure pool? Is it the visibility that's the issue or is it a lack of security? The visibility.
So if you did have somebody come out day after day after day after day and keep the pool clear, then that would resolve that issue, right? Would that be compliance for the pool? Yes. Yes. As long as the pool is clean.
I don't know how much that costs. I don't know what I'm talking about. To some extent, I whenever I open my mouth about swimming pools, I prove that, you know, but that might be a solution. Well, to some extent, you're right. And I have pictures on my phone where that
pool is blue. Now, you probably I can't say that you can see to the bottom. But I mean, it's you would look from the top and like glance and say, "Oh, yeah. I can't wait to jump into that. I wouldn't jump into that because I know there more needs to be done." We now have a big
heavy duty pump that they are really trying to get the rest of the stuff out. Uh and it's just heavy man work and we have a fellow that's doing it and he has a team. We are to do that and we put chemicals in. We
spent another $200 $300 on chemicals yesterday which we have done multiple times. So we are trying that on our south but it's not going to be successful until we can get all the last little bit off the bottom. So right now that's why we're fighting that uphill battle. But somebody is on that pool
almost every day. Great. And right now, let me ask the city this and once again I'm asking out of ignorance. If a pool's drained and then covered, does that do anything? I think so. Is it still No, sir. The the the pool would pop out
of the ground if they drained it. Oh, that's a good point. I always forget about that. Every reaction there's an equal and opposite reaction, right? You take the water out. I guess our thing is I mean we can lock it down. We have one that came down
and I understand the law does allow that you haven't closed off as well as you can I don't I don't think that resolves your code compliance issue securing a pool that you can't see the bottom of does doesn't take care of it. Am I correct Mer?
Yes. So, and I don't know anything more than what I'm ranting about, but maybe there is a pool company that could take care of it and make it have cl the clarity that's needed without you paying $300,
whatever periodically to do it. I don't know. But I can't resolve that today. And the city can't resolve that today and you can't resolve that today. We didn't know just among ourselates up to And at
each other we don't even know if that's an option. I think only option would be grouting it. Am I correct? But in Palm Coast one time we had a dangerous pool and we actually the city the city went in and grouted it because the property owner
wouldn't take care of it. They just filled it with concrete and then we ended up owning the house too by the way. But that's another question as far as trying to solve this nothing and and I think you just hit the nail on
the head because I think anything that you come to talk to the city about they'll consider. But I don't know what to do except enter the order that's been asked because they are right. The city is right about this being a life safety issue and the city has asked for a reasonable fine and the city has found
that you're in compliance with the non-pool related issues. So is there anything further you'd like anything further from the city? concern is that if we're not there and
there's a short crap And that's why it's really heavy duty. It's not that we are not trying. I don't doubt the city. I don't think ing that do you and whether or not you want to go to a pool company and let
them have the responsibility as opposed to you trying to figure out that's an issue for y'all. But that's something to consider. But I'm going to find under the that we just held a Massie hearing and that is a court case that requires local
governments to determine if a violation that was ordered to be cured was in fact cured or not cured by a date certain. And I'm going to find that this the the order relating to the pool was not cured
in a timely manner and that although the fine could have commenced on June on June June 13th yes 13th we the city has agreed to have it commence on June 20th and the fine will
be $100 per day for the first day of violation and $50 a day for each day thereafter. after and that'll be the order that'll be entered. But I also heard the city say that they would once compliance is attained and expeditiously
attained and fully attained and cooperatively attained. I think those will be the three criteria unless I'm misreading the city then it will be very open to reducing the fine that has accumulated. That's what I heard being said. Yes sir.
So that'll be the order that'll be issued. Okay. All right. All right. Miss Crawford, are there any other cases to come before the special magistrate today? No. Nothing. Then we are journed.