All right. Good morning one and all. I'm calling toward a what is this? November 13th. It's coming to the end of another year, huh? November 13th meeting of the city of Hob's code enforcement special madrate. Uh my name is Lonnie Groot. I
serve as special magistrate and we will proceed with the agenda. But before we do, are there any changes to the agenda? Miss Crawford? >> Uh we do have two cases uh that are in compliance. So 25-20 and 25-30
[Music] as well as 25-221 >> 221 >> for three cases. >> 25221. >> Yes. >> Right. So if anybody's here for those three cases 25-20, 25-30 or 25-221,
those cases are not going to be heard. They're off the agenda. Well, they're off the agenda, but they're resolved. >> Yes. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. Uh I guess one announcement is there will be no meeting in December. No hearings
in December and the next hearings will be January 14th, 2026. The next item is uh the approval of the minutes of October 8, 2025. The attorney general has determined that special magistrate
should also have minutes to their meetings. And so I've looked at the review the minutes for the October 8th meeting and approved them. So I see there are some new faces out there. So let me just go over the
process real quick. Obviously these are hearings today. Uh we're going to hold three, no, four. And uh they are not they're public hearings and that they're open to the public and the sunshine law applies and anybody can can come in and
and watch and and uh I are we on mute today? >> We are live. >> We're live. So if anybody is so bored out there in the rest of the world that they have nothing to do except fall asleep watching us code enforcement special magistrate meeting, they can be
watching live or even use it as a seditive in because it'll be recorded too. So uh in any event, but that being said, the public is not a participant. The participants today are the city of
Cocoa Beach as the petitioner and the property owners usually as the respondents and their little mini trials. Okay. So during the course of the hearing, Mr. Crawford or another person or a witness of Miss Crawford,
i.e. The city will present evidence and whoever presents evidence is subject to cross-examination just like in a in a trial by the respondent. And and then after the city's through presenting its evidence, the respondent gets to present
their evidence and whatever you as a respondent might say or as a witness, the city can cross-examine you too. Okay? And then at at the end of the proceeding when all the evidence is submitted, I'll issue a order determine
whether or not there's comp uh violation, whether or not there's a penalty, what the penalty is, etc. And then typically by Monday or Tuesday of next week, uh we'll have a written order that'll be issued and it'll be distributed and that order can be
recorded in the public records, land records, official records, the records that affect property city so desires and and that's basically the process. Did I miss anything, Mr. Crawford? >> Okay, that being said, who plans on
testifying today? Okay. For the city or respondent. Okay. If everybody who's going to testify, please stand up and I'll start in the back of the room so that I won't forget any. Would you say your full name, sir?
>> Jay Castell. >> Okay. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. >> Michelle Snider. >> Yes, sir. >> Dwayne Pierce. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Marie Pierce. >> Yes, sir. >> Cory Hall. >> Yes, ma'am. >> M. Crawford. >> Daniel Crawford. >> Okay. Do each of you solemnly swear the
testimony you're about to give and the matters now here will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Help you, God? >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you very much. >> All right. And we also have an esteemed clerk here too, who takes care of making sure we
everything we do today is recorded. All right. First case that we'll hear today is case number 25-54. Miss Crawford, are you ready? >> Yes. you may proceed. >> Um, so case 25-54, uh, the respondents are Island Time
Marina, uh, which is the the lease, as well as Coconut Cove Yach Club, who is the property owner. The address is 398 West Cocoa Beach Causeway with parcel and legal description as shown.
Here is an aerial view of the property outlined in blue from PCPAO. We're talking uh exclusively about a parking lot. From January 9th, 2023 through April 15th, 2025, staff observed an
unpermitted parking lot accessory structure and trash and debris on the property which resulted in three previous code cases, all of which were closed per previous director's direction. During this time frame, the city chose to work directly with the respondent and property owner to attempt to resolve the violations on the
property. On April 15th, 2025, a notice violation was sent to the respondent which was received and signed for April 21st, 2025. On August 25th, 2025, a revised notice of violation was sent to the respondent
addressing violations on the property, including uh section 105.1 required from the Florida Building Code 110.1 general general procedures. [Music]
uh 333 accessory structures 10-22 enumerated conditions of the city of Cocoa Beach code of ordinances. Respondent was asked to apply for and obtain a permit for the constructed parking lot and accessory structures,
obtain all approved final elections, apply for and obtain site plan for the parking lot, and to remove all trash and debris from the parking lot. On August 25th, 2025, the notice of violation was mailed via first class and certified mail as well as hand delivered to the
respondent. On September 2nd, 2025, the certified mail was received and signed for by the owner. And on September 22nd, 2025, the respondent received and signed for his copy of the notice of violation.
On October 13, 2025, I reinspected the property which remained in violation. On October 13th, a notice of hearing was sent via first class mail to both the respondent and the owner. The certified mail received and signed for by the owner on October 20th, 2025
and October 24th, 25. The respondent handd delivered the FD permit to me also confirming receipt of the notice of hearing. At this time, the FD permit was uploaded to both the building permit and the
planning and zoning application. The building permit is awaiting zoning approval and city engineer approval. And the planning permit is awaiting planning review, fire approval, engineering review, storm water review, and administrator approval.
As of November 11th, 2025, the building permit and the site plan location for the parking lot has not been issued due to insufficient information. No building permits have been submitted for the accessory structure, and much of the trash and debris on the property has
been removed. However, some dilapidated watercrafts, trailers, and building permits or building materials remain. This is um a picture of the beginning of the construction of the parking lot from January 9th, 2023.
You can see the majority of the lot is dirt with um a corner section of pavement. By February 6, 2023, the entire lot was paved. More pictures of the paved lot.
um pictures of the items, the vehicles, and the trash and debris stored on the property. [Music] Uh all of these photos were from 2023. And as you see in 2025, uh the
conditions remain the same on the property. So this was April 2nd of this year. [Music] Uh this is the unpermitted structure. [Music]
And this is um from November 12th of this year. So these are the the dilapidated watercrafts the excessive building materials and that is our presentation. >> Did you want to introduce the PowerPoint into evidence?
>> I I do. Thank you. I would like to have a you have a copy. >> I do not have a copy. Who's the property represented? Is there one? Anybody here representing the property owner in this case? [Music]
Okay. I'm going to admit the PowerPoint that's been presented visually, tech, not tech technologically, whatever you want to call it, but you could print one out later on. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. So once again, is there anybody
here representing the property owner? Mr. Palmer, would you I've called twice it seems. Would you go out into the hall and call one time to see if there's a property owner? Coconut Grove Yacht Club, which is the property owner. [Music]
really good. [Music] No, sir. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Palmer. So, I let the record reflect that I've called
twice inside the hearing room and Mr. Palmer scoured the the halls outside the hearing room and no one from the property owner or any other respondent has appeared this morning. So, what is the uh proposal of the city? So, the
staff uh recommendation based on the testimony and evidence presented at this hearing, uh we respectfully request that you find the the respondent in violation of the entire notice of violation and give the respondent until November 20th of this year to bring the property into
compliance and have compliance confirmed uh by myself. If the violations continue beyond the compliance date, uh, we request that a fine in the amount of $250 a day be instituted until compliance is achieved and confirmed.
>> Let me just ask you one question. Is there going to be a need for retention pond in that parking lot? >> Yes. Yeah. >> I didn't see any being constructed. the the location of the the trailers and the vehicles on the property is where the
swale should be. So where that retention pond is supposed to be >> that's what it'll be swells and not a not actual pond then >> I believe it's just going to be a swale. >> I just curious >> that we've requested. Yeah. >> I just didn't see one being constructed
in No. My experience has been that anything that's impervious like that would require >> particularly approximate to a body of water which this is. >> Most definitely. >> Okay. Is there anything further that the city would like to present? >> Nothing further. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Based upon the evidence submitted in this case number 25-54, I'm going to find that the respondent actually respondents but more significantly the property owner um are are in violation of the
codes as asserted by the city and that the respondent shall have until November 20th of this year to come into compliance with each and every code. And if they do
not come into compliance with each and every code, then a fine of $250 per day will be set and run for each day of non-compliance after November 20th, 2025.
All right. Next case is case number 25-193. Um, so case 25-193 is for Dwayne Pierce Jr. and Marie Pierce. Uh, they are here today. Uh, the property address 306 Angelo Lane in the
parcel ID and legal description as I shown. Here's an aerial view of the property outlined in blue from BCPAO. Uh here is a synopsis of the case. On August 7th of this year, a notice of
violation was sent to the respondent addressing violations on the property, including 3-3 vehicle parking of the city of Cocoa Beach code and ordinances as well as 3-35
temporary and portable structures. [Music] The respond was asked to remove everything from the vacant lot based on the codes shown. On August 15th, 2025, the respondent received and signed for the certified mailing. He then came to city hall and discussed violations and
possible solutions. On August 25th, the respondent met with the city manager and discussed the violations and possible solutions. The city manager granted the respondent 30 days from the day the notice of violation was received to come into compliance. On September 15th, I
reinspected the property which remained in violation. I spoke with the respondent who requested to speak with the special magistrate. And on September 29th, a notice of hearing was sent via first class and certified mail. On October 3rd, the certified mail was
received and signed for by the respondent. So the property address that we're discussing is a vacant lot which by code uh we don't allow any outside storage uh without a principal structure. And so
here is a picture of the the vehicles and a pod on the vacant structure. We have September, October and [Music] All right. So, the the is there anything
further that the city wants to present? >> There's nothing further. >> Okay. So, the property owners, Mr. and Mrs. Pierce are here. >> Yes. >> Do you have any questions of Miss Crawford? >> No. >> Okay. >> No questions. Just >> No questions. >> Okay. You would like to make a
presentation? >> Please go ahead. Thank you. [Music] >> So, the situation >> Oh, hang on one second. I forgot something. My bad. Uh, Mr. Crawford, did you want to introduce the PowerPoint as evidence in this case? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Mr. Pierce, do you do you all
object to the documents which you saw on the screen before? And I'm looking this way. You're looking that way. >> Yeah, I'm just seeing property. >> Do do you have any objection to those documents being introduced in evidence? >> No, not at this time. >> Will be admitted. And will you print out
a copy, too? >> Right. I'm sorry. Go ahead. There was a reason before the container being on the property. Our neighbor across the street, one house to the left of that property. They're rebuilding
their house. So that I talked with the time back I had talked with the city manager, explained the situation. They said that's a very neighborly thing to do. It sounds good. So, I talked to Michelle, which is the neighbor, and I'm
like, "Everything seems to be good. You're tearing it down. You need a place to put all your appliances, your tile for your new house, and the lot is there. I I utilize it."
So, on that, I do have some pictures of why because I've built houses before, why it needed to have the container on lot because not keep it on properly. Your neighbors needed to have a container on >> Yeah, the neighbors have the container
on the property. Michelle has the prop uh container on our property. So, I'm like, absolutely. Because I worked with the neighbor across the street. When the house rebuilt across the street, they had to put all the trusses on the lot so they could assemble it to the new house
built. So, it is helping improve the neighborhood. Uh I have here I'd like though you of the >> show you they stay with me just >> that that's fine >> just like okay >> that's there'll be evidence do you miss Crawford do you have any objection to these being introduced
>> no [Music] I session trucks and everything that's blocking the neighborhood >> you Excuse me. >> Okay. Explain the pictures from a
different location. >> Thank you. U Thank you, Mr. Brian. You're right. And I've been permitted in another city because of security these days. You want me to have him? >> Yeah, I'll explain. >> Okay. >> Exist. Yeah, we have no objection to
those photos being admitted. I reviewed it into evidence as the responsive one and >> but he'll keep these but if you want to look at them to kind of explain to him what's going on there. Okay. >> Yeah. I didn't need to take them away from you right now. They're gone once you're through. That's all. Okay.
>> So, here's a picture of all the trust in the front yard. But also this this work being done on this house was permitted >> on on Michelle's property. So, it's a permitted house. understand the sex has to be a permit, but I understand how how
do you make this work to put the container on the property when there's no no room left on the property. So, another was all the trucks and anything blocking road. So these these are the reasons why uh
and it also came down to another nice neighbor lives next door. Paul allowed you know after shelling them contact Paul allowed them to use their driveway to set the crane because the crane would not be able to set the
trusses because of the power lines. They couldn't reach over the power lines. So thankfully Paul allowed him to use his drive to help them along with their house. So in our neighborhood we all try to work with each other. [Music]
>> So that all explains the pod. >> That explains the pod that the pod is temporary as I explained before that as soon as it's the house is secure and they can get it the container will be removed from the property. >> What about the RV then? That's another
issue. Something else. So, pretty much described everything we just talked about on about the pod, >> right? RV um
here you want to ask about the fact that there is a slide. >> So on on this property there was a house prior to the RV and the trailer were there. The one trailer is the lawn trailer that I use for all
the maintenance on that property and the work on it. We've been improving this property ever since we bought it because we plan on building a house there. We have a PNC wall. Just finished it right now. I have a new fence ready to go. It's waiting on permitting. And I have
the number for the permit, which is uh BP-25-214, which would be improving the property more. So on my survey, uh, it kind of goes back and forth
saying that it's it's not to me lot, it's it's a party. The survey contains Explain that again. That's something I've never heard before. It's not vacant lot to surprise. >> Well, I think it's here.
>> I mean, it would be surprised on it, right? >> Yeah. There there's a a foundation for a house and there's an asphalt driveway which is shown here on survey. >> Okay. So it's a partial developmentally has no structure on it. >> Okay. >> Correct. >> Okay.
>> But it has a new seaw wall. Everything's in the plans of moving forward. So it's >> it's ready for a structure is what you're saying. >> It's getting close to ready for structure. So prior to this RV on the property also with the trailer. So at this time it's still there.
I mean going back when house was torn down the house was in such good shape city I talked to Robin that was our code enforcement >> it's there because you're doing construction and that's helping you do construction >> correct so now when I talk to Robin I go
down the house he goes because the house is getting old he goes we won't have to worry about any code violations everything's good once you remove the house down to the foundation because it was originally I removed remove the roof which the permits for code enforce officer Robert
told you that >> once I removed the house everything's fine there's no more violations so now I went ahead and I removed the roof I checked the block wall there's no columns so that time and and other
permit says removing down to the slab for the concrete slab because I don't want to build a house that doesn't have poured concrete columns in it cuz house was built back 68 just would way to go my standards for today. So at that time
there's still the asphalt driveway. Everything's parked on the property. Uh it's basically I my truck there at night cuz there's a driveway on the property and I'm not blocking the street.
So when everybody in the neighborhood's like, "We'd prefer you to park on the Asphalt Drive and not in the street." And I have a petition signed from all the neighbors on my street in that area that they prefer me to park on the property and not on the
street. The RV is has a tag, the trailer has a tag. Everything's current up to date. So that's the only things that get parked on that property. >> So you have a pending building permit on your property? Well, I have one for a fence that's pending.
>> Not for a structure though. >> Not for the structure because I want to make sure trying to get with an architect and a builder and everything to go along that. >> But I mean, I've been making improvements on this piece of property ever since we owned it.
>> It's not like just the but if you consider anything else in area, the the the lot looks great. I mean, we have a lot of other buildings that need to be brought up, but I'm not sure about them. I'm only about
>> our property. The RV and the driveway meets all the setbacks. The trailer for maintenance of the lawn >> setbacks for a structure. >> When I met with the city, I was like, let's give me a resolution to how >> you met with the city Robin or the city manager?
>> Um, the director that's right here. >> Okay. So he's like, "Well, the container is not your problem." And you know, there's nothing we can do. The only way you could have anything resolved is come to the magistrate. So that's why
>> you said that I heard you say, tell me if I'm wrong. You just said that Mr. Palmer told you there was no problem with the pod. >> No. >> Okay. That's what it sounded like. Well, AJ, I believe it was AJ that was in there and uh the head of the building department and
asked Daniel for a little more time because the C would be removed and they agreed. Uh the chief >> when will it contain when will the pod be removed? >> Uh how close are you on your house? >> We're hoping by the end of the year we'll be totally >> You were sworn in too, right?
>> Yes, sir. >> I don't know your last name otherwise. >> Snider. >> Snider. Snider. Okay. >> So, that's where we're at on that. >> Okay. >> I mean, we're making progress moving forward. It's not like a a lot with everything being piled up is trash. It's
kept clean. Uh here's a photo. >> This is additional photo. >> Okay. The one that was shown. >> No, the photo >> the >> This is fine then. I just I thought maybe there been another one that you were referring to. No, one with one one
was with all that and one was the property. >> Okay. >> I have uh the survey here too that shows there's a concrete slab on it and >> it >> if you hand it to me, it stays in the record though. >> That it's fine. >> Do you have any objection to that being introduced?
>> Okay. It'll be introduced in the evidence except you the respondent. So on that note also if you want to >> hi Marie Pierce also property owner. So Dwayne has been kind of referring to a
petition um that we thought that might be helpful and you understanding maybe the neighborliness and the you know how our neighbors uh support each other. So the petition of support for on property cold trailer and parking at 30elo lane and I don't know if we described to you but we live across the street so our
primary residence is 313. So we're looking at this empty lot. >> Okay. >> Um we the undersign believe that permitting the owners of 36 Angelo Lane to park their vehicles, trailer and RV on their property is both reasonable and beneficial for the entire neighborhood. We urge the city and any relevant
governing bodies to grant this request, recognizing that it will improve the flow and safety of two-way traffic on Angelo Lane, enhance emergency vehicle access, support the rights and preferences of property owners and their neighbors, maintain the visual integrity in the community spirit of our
neighborhood. This position represents a collective voice of support from immediate households surrounding the neighbors and those directly affected by current parking situation on Angelo Lane. And I'd say we're at maybe 40 signatures.
>> Now, this is all this isn't throughout the whole neighborhood. This is everybody on Angelo Street or any houses that are adjacent to it. The there is a reason also the motor home is located where it's at. Houses on Burllo. Every night
Starbucks gets a delivery. The tractor trailer comes through the dinosaur store storage unit through the fire station and the RV blocks the headlights going into the houses that are on the other side of the canal. So, I had moved it
from its original location and put it on the concrete slab to help my neighbors so they don't have the lights and all the cars that make the turn go into their house. Now, also on that note, uh this property is located right next to the fire
station, which also keeps vehicles outside quite a bit at night, too. [Music] And the dinosaur door has trailers parked outside. >> Okay, that just a second. That's the petition. Now, you read it and there was
no objection from the city. Does the city have any objection to this petition >> being? No. Okay. You have no objection to it being relevant. >> Okay. And I will admit it as respondent
exhibit number three then. So I think I think we're at a point trying to understand if there because the lot has the struct the concrete slab
foundation a block around that and and an asphalt. Is there a possibility that we can treat this as a property that can have this RV on it,
understanding that that portable or pod is just temporary as we've already discussed and allow us to park our personal vehicles that are tagged and registered on that lot. Well, I understand what >> that's so that's what we're just trying to explain is what it is.
>> And and at that time meeting with the director, he goes, "Well, you're you're allowed to park in the street." >> You talk about Mr. Palmer. >> Mr. Palmer said, "Well, you're allowed to park in the street." And it's it's just not fair to my neighbors to to block up that section
and park in the street. So, I do have uh another photo of the back of the property with a map and a property of that.
>> You like to submit that? >> I'd like to submit that. It shows the new seaw wall that we just completed not too long ago. >> Uh >> is there any objection to the city? >> No. Now on on that e-wall I did with the city because they do have a cover pipe
running through the pro on my property and we worked around that and came up with the solution. It's not like I don't try to >> I appreciate this will be edited as response number four in this case >> and you know I understand from uh >> I think you should tell a little more
about this but what we did with the covert pipes you know because I want to show how we work with >> so we're installing the seaw wall and on the property line I'd have to do my return for my seaw wall well I wouldn't be able to do the return for the seaw
wall because the culvert pipe is on the center of the property property line for the fence that's on the north side. So, working with the city, there was a 10-ft easement there. They said, "Okay, we'll take care of 4 ft." So, we move the seaw wall past the covert pipe and do a
setback. [Music] So, it's it's not like I haven't worked with the city on anything. And, you know, we try to make everything as simple and useful as possible with everybody.
[Music] I I do appreciate all the information. >> So, on that note, uh just asking you allow us to leave the RV and the lawn trailer on the property
because it was there prior to the building being moved. If I had a shed on that property and I removed the primary building, does that mean the shed has to go? Let's do this because you sounds like you present all your evidence and now you're going to argue about
>> I'm not arguing. I'm just trying to explain legal phrase. What I'm going to do is let you let the city argue why you're in violation. Then you can rebut that argument. >> Okay. >> Okay. But >> before we proceed any >> and I hope I I'm by nature a relatively
friendly guy so it looks like I'm you know like I called you Michelle's but I didn't know your last name Snyder. Right. >> I got that now. But there was a two points I want since there's people here and there since there's people maybe watching.
There was a note when Miss Crawford made her presentation that you requested to speak to the special magistrate. >> We did. We didn't. We never did that. >> Did we? >> No. Well, she said this was the way to do it. >> This is the way to do it. That's my point is that I don't speak to the city about cases and I don't speak to
respondent. when I get here, I may have seen some documents, but I haven't heard from anybody and might make my decision based upon what's going on here. And secondly, the at the beginning I told you that this wasn't a public hearing.
Well, the city and I think really really graciously they could have objected to this petition and I would abstained it because this is irrelevant. I hate I mean no offense to all the it's good that you did this but it's good to know
that the neighbors don't have a problem or apparently don't have a problem or don't have a >> 100% problem or whatever it is but it means nothing. You could have called people as witnesses but that's his unsworn that that's my point. >> I I'm sorry.
>> No no I'm not trying to gig you or anything. I just want you to know that the city was gracious in I mean I would have objected and I know that other cities would have. So that's a very gracious thing for the city of Cocoa Beach to say we're going to allow this petition in front of the magistrate.
>> Thank you. >> Well, I don't that wasn't the point either, but yeah. >> Okay. So, do you have any other witnesses? >> Uh, >> we're good. >> Okay, then let's do this now. Miss Crawford, you can or whoever can get up
and argue why the violations are as charged and will let respondent to get up and have a rebuttal argument. You're going to make the argument. >> I'm just going to mention real quick that you know the city is trying to work with individual every time. Um I just want
>> that's apparent by the way. So I just want to mention that the uh city manager along with the uh department director who were also in that meeting are here in the audience right now. They have not been sworn in, but if you would like to hear from them, I'd be more than happy to call them up to uh answer any
questions about any meeting that we had. >> Well, I don't decide who gets called as witnesses, but I can tell you what for for the sake of everybody what the law is. And that and this this may sound harsh to the public, but I've had to deal with it hundreds of times.
Literally, I've been practicing local local government law since 1985. I'm an old guy, you know, and I have there's and the case law supports this. A person can walk up to a a building permit
desk in any city or county in the state of Florida, get a building permit, go start building, and have it revoked because it was erroneously issued. You can have a clerk say everything's okay. Hey, go ahead on build that swimming pool there and they can stop
you because that clerk because it's viol in violation of the code because that clerk can't change the code. Only a city commission or a county commission or a city councelor or a county council can change the code. That building permit clerk or that person sitting at the desk
no authority as city attorney. If I say it's okay to do it and I was wrong, then I was wrong. But the city still enforces this codes. So I don't need to hear if that's what the point the point is you want to dispute what was said that's go
ahead you know but if the point is no matter what was said it doesn't matter >> that may sound harsh but it's coming from me not that's just that's just the law >> I was just like >> no I'm fine whatever you want to whoever you want to call I'll listen to the >> I'm good thank you >> okay
>> so you want to make an argument as to why the codes are violated or you >> as to why the codes were violated because there is no there is no structure. It is a vacant lot and per the codes um
stated earlier uh 33 and 3-35 I believe. Um you cannot store items on a vacant lot. There needs to be a print structure. Um and we definitely don't intend to silence anyone. Uh but we do have to enforce the code equally
throughout the entire city. Um, and so that's why we are we're here today. >> And what to go to Mr. P's point about this not being vacant because there's a seaw wall, there's a fence permit, there's a uh driveway, and there's a old
foundation from 1966 or 76, whatever it was. What's your point there? I mean, I know the law, but >> right, >> I think it be helpful for you to articulate it. >> Those aren't principal structures. I don't even think they're accessory structures. Um I don't know the
definition. >> When a code speaks vacant, it means a no no structure, no home. Correct. >> No business structure, no garage, no >> right. >> Um whatever it is that is allowed to be >> built on that. Yeah. Correct.
>> It's not it's not that there's nothing vertical. >> I mean because that's >> right. You could drive you could put a driveway on a piece of property and then load up full of all sorts of other stuff because it's not vacant anymore. Anyway,
I got your point. You like to have a counterargument to that? >> Oh, abs. Absolutely. >> Okay. >> On on this note, uh the code had changed. Everything was there prior to the changing of the code from my understanding. Uh that's why when I with
the original code enforcement everything was fine. >> Hang on. You're So you're saying it's your grandfather >> basically? Yes. >> Because the code was changed to require >> from my understanding. Yes. >> Or or told me
you can't you can't have the the motor home in the trailer here because it was prior to the house being tore down. >> That's a And but you don't have codes. I don't didn't I used have the codes a long time ago because we're through issues with >> a building on the other side of the
canal with noise issues. [Music] >> But at that time this is where we're at. >> Um [Music] >> that's a new that's that's new. So I'm going to let the city have rebuttal on
that point is and I guess the only thing the only thing that you would speak about in rebuttal is whether or not it was infothered. Yeah, nothing's been documented as far as anything being grandfathered or permitted. >> Well, I got that. There's been no code issued entered into the evidence today.
So, is your is your argument that is not grandfathered? >> No, it's grandfathered. So, in order for something to be grandfathered, it would have to have written documentation and proof of that grandfathering to allow >> through some process of the city like a yes. >> Administrative interpretation or certificate of estine or whatever each I
haven't researched it. >> Correct. >> Okay. Thank you. Everybody did really good making a presentation. So, let's get to this point. Assuming there is a violation, what does the city's recommendation? And I'm going to let the re the respondents speak to that. >> So, based on the testimony and evidence
presented at the hearing, staff respectfully request the magistrate find the respondent in violation of the entire notice of violation and give the respondent until December 13th to bring the property into compliance or have compliance confirmed and have compliance confirmed by the code enforcement
officer. So, we're just asking for more time to come into compliance. >> So, no fine at this point. >> No. >> Okay. So, Mr. or Mrs. City and once again, and I don't typically
characterize things, but I hate I've handled hundreds and hundreds of code enforcement cases. What the city just graciously did. That's why I said that. So, I use the wordly. They're just saying they want to give you a certain period of time to comply and if you
don't comply by December 13th then you'd have a hearing maybe on January 14th. Is that the maybe on January 14th or some hearing after December 13th hearing date after December 13th at which a fine would be established
based upon non-compliance on a per day. So giving basically the city saying we're going to give you until January 14th. It says December 13th, but as a practical matter, it's January 14th to remove the RV and remove the pod
basically. Is there anything else I'm missing there? I think >> all of the other >> my point also on that, you know, I accept the graciousness of that, but that will
be also saying can park my vehicle that's across the street from me on that section of the property. >> That's exactly right. Yes. It doesn't matter what the reason that you're parking it there is. Whether it's to block light to to uh avoid star noise in
the fire department, whatever it is, if you don't have if you don't have a developed lot, i.e. a lot is vacant, you can't use it storage. You can't have an accessory structure. can't use it for
storage unless it's zoned for storage like a some you know like mobile home to what's the what are those things toy storage you know with RVs and trailers and boats and you know all that kind of
stuff yeah our store so yes the answer would be yes that that's what position is and in my judgment that's what the law is otherwise I wouldn't find a violation today which I'm going to do by the way so just so you'll know is uh yeah you you'd have to remove it
regardless what you know if you were feeding the poor at Christmas time it didn't really matter I mean that sounds screwies and grin but that's the truth >> okay uh can I request that we extend this time limit to like January
12th >> I believe [Music] >> you effectively had I mean quite I mean that's between you but I will say that effectively you've given the respondent until January 14th to Clyde because
there's till then >> I'll do what I do before that time >> I think you're going to work with him about fitting the RV or anything might work I can do later I could just say you're fine with this today
>> yeah as long as we can work on this >> I didn't hear that RV >> as long as you know we can extend time >> and I'd also like to work out something else where the RV could stay but >> that's between you're talking to you you guys need to talk about that. What I'm
saying is the city said they would like to have order say December 13th. I as a matter it doesn't matter whether it says December 13th or January 13th. The effect is the same. [Music]
Absolutely. Please. Does that make sense? Yes, sir. We're asking December 13th because that's so we would ask for December 13th. I understand that it's going to be January 14th when you rehear this. At that point in time, when you rehear it, then we can discuss if we need to go further with more time
because of circumstances. We're going to go straight. That's why we place the lean on this right now or even an amount. So, >> makes sense to me. It makes sense to me. January until >> the order I'm gonna I will issue the order December for December 13th because that's a reasonable period of time in
this circumstance. Actually, a couple of weeks would be a reasonable period of time. But as December 13th, so be it. You know, that's a reasonable period of time, but there would be no fine assessed until there's another hearing. Okay. So on January 14th, the city
brings this to me again and says like a fine of X dollars per day starting on January 15th, then that's when that issue will be before me. >> Okay, >> does that make sense? >> Yes. I just look at it a whole different way, but I like
>> you I would say you're lucky you think like me. Okay. Okay. So, thank you. >> Anything else by the city? Anything else by you, sir? Or your wife? Nope. Okay. So, I will enter an order finding that there is a violation of the codeed and
that the respondents have until December 13th, 2025 to come into compliance. That will be the order that'll issue. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much. And the case next is 25-263
with the property owner the Christy Ben Barnberry Family Trust. The response very berry familial ID and legal description as shown as the aerial view from property appraiser.
On July 22nd, a courtesy deal was sent to the resident. On August 13th, a citation was issued for obing a vacation rental without the required registration. Um, on September 4th, I spoke with the owner via phone call and I followed up an email explaining how to apply for the
BTR registration. On September 30th, the note of violation was issued. On October 1st, I sent another follow-up email to the owner explaining how to apply for both the BTR and the registration. And on October 21st, notice of hearing
is issued. As of today, the BR has been applied. However, the application is incomplete and neither registration application for the two separate rentals on the property have been submitted at this time. is a screenshot from Rescape show looking for the main house on property
and uh one of the active listings that you still book on there right now and reviews showing that they've had rentals the year recently two weeks ago. And here's a rental screenshot for the guest house on the property they're also renting out. And here's the active
listing for that. Also has reviewed throughout the year. [Music] Um >> all right. Anything further? Did you want to introduce the PowerPoint? >> Yes, please. >> Is here to represent the Anybody?
>> Okay. The Banberry Family Trust is a is a property owner here. The Christy Banberry trust. Family trust. Is anybody here? Mr. That's right. You know the routine, Mr. Palmer. [Music]
In the old old days, even before my time, they called this calling the halls where they would go out and call the halls of the courthouse for a witness or defendant or sometimes an attorney who's not as [Music]
we are calling the halls. [Music] >> My last name Paul different. >> No, sir. >> All right, Mr. Palm. Thank you so much. So there is no respondent present in the case. What is the
recommendation of the city? Just I know we have the statutory penalty for not paying your local business tax. >> Yes. Uh based on the testimony and evidence presented at the hearing, staff respectfully request magistrate find the respondent in violation of the notice of violation. The respondent until November 27th to bring the property in appliance
and have eyes confirmed by officer. >> Then just statutory fine or not paying local business tax? >> Yes. Okay. Nothing. Okay, that will be the order on number 2563. I'm going to find the cited violations
have occurred and that the statutory fines set forth in chapter 205 of the Florida statutes will be imposed. >> Thank you. >> Case is case number 25-71. The property on is Aliyah
Place LLC. >> Yes. Uh the the address is 718 South Atlantic A with the par ID and le description as shown. Um and I believe the representative is here. Uh Joseph hasn't been sworn in.
>> Have you been sworn in, sir? >> Okay. What What Let's do that then. What's your relationship to the LLC? >> You you're So you're one of the managers or whatever. Okay. You stand up, please. State your full name.
>> Joseph also hold truth about the truth. >> Yes. >> Thank you very much. Miss Crawford, you may proceed. [Music] >> Okay. Here's an area view of the property. Actually an an apartment
complex. So this entire uh area circled in blue as shown from BCPAO. So there are several se several buildings. So on August 24th to 25, a notice of violation was sent to the respondent addressing the violations on the
property. Uh these violations included uh permit section 105.1 required 10.1 general Florida building code section 506 sanitary drainage system uh 506.2 2
maintenance 304 exterior structure uh 304.1 stairways, decks, porches and balconies as well as 302 uh point.2 graating and drainage. These are from the international property maintenance code
and the Florida code. Rondant was asked immediately access to all dilapidated staircases. Apply for and obtain a permit for the sewer pipe repair and concrete restoration. obtain all approved final inspections and level the air conditioning pads. Notice the
violation was mailed via fine first class mail as well as emailed to the owner who confirmed receipt of the notice via email. The certified mail is still in transit as of this time. [Music] November 6,2 completed inspection of the
property and a revised notice of violation was created to address the dilapidated parking lot on the west side of the property. Section 302 exterior property areas 302.3 sidewalk and driveways added to the list of violations at this time. A notice of he
was sent via first class mail and certified mail along with the revised notice of violation due to the unsafe conditions of the staircases. The notice of violation not of hearing were also put on the property as well as city hall. Um, so we're just going to go through
some pictures of their cases. Um, and just pictures of the the life safety concerns we have. Um, so here is um a staircase that's being held up, exposed
rebar and um significant spalling. [Music] Someone had this is another stairwell. Uh, but as seen with many of the stairwells, they were marked off with caution tape. However, there are still people living on the first and second
floors utilizing staircases on a daily basis. Um, this is the same unit from the back again with uh significant spalling and some minor repairs, [Music]
exposed rebar, just um significant cracks. Uh here's a picture of the dilapidated uh parking lot. Uh this is on the west side of the property. It's a little difficulty the the condition of the lot.
So I have some close-up pictures. >> Is there asphalt under there? >> There is. So here's like >> So it's just sand covered asphalt. >> Yeah, it's just dilapidated. It's kind of falling apart. [Music]
Um again going back to the property uh just seeing more and more staircases with significant uh cracks and spalling and exposed rebar the first staircase that we looked at. >> Can you go back to the last >> this one? >> Is that aesthetic or is that structural
the cracks? >> I'm so sorry. What was the question? >> Is that aesthetic cracking or is that structural crack? Is that cracking evidence? >> I would have to >> lack of structural integrity >> to the building official, Jay Castillo.
>> Is the looks like a staircase? >> Yeah, it is a Here's a building official. You we swore you in, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. Do you want to call him? >> Yes, please. Cuz I'm >> Did you You understood my question that I saw cracks and they looked fairly wide, but
>> that was structural issues. >> That's a structural issue. Okay. Thank you. [Music] Um, so here's the first uh staircase that we took a look at with it had significant falling and the rebar exposed. Um, so it has been repaired on
building permit. [Music] Um, however, uh, this is the the st directly across uh, actually no sorry I apologize. This is the the sta same staircase at the top of the stairs. Uh
so again just showing the uh the the strut cracks. [Music] >> Um so on this one >> that's missing concrete there cuz the rebar rusted through, right? >> Yes.
>> Or spalled through spald. >> So there's just um >> how do you spell? I don't think they're DNS sa >> sp a w or you I always had an issue with it.
>> I would like to defer to >> no w. Okay. Spaline. Okay. All right. >> Okay. >> No wonder. Okay. >> Didn't know there was going to be a spelling test. >> I spelled it three different ways in my notes anyway.
>> Yeah. So again just just more concerns uh for the state of their cases and again people are you know I confirmed that people are living in these units knocked on the doors and spokable again the bottom of the staircase is it's not connected uh to the rest of the
stairs which is more um some issues with the handrails. When you say issues with the handrail, there is no handrail, right? >> It's supposed to be bolted into the I
see it. I see now it's shadow light. >> Again, just a lot of exposed rebar. This one has been painted over. [Music]
So sorry, here's like a broken step >> which go might actually the question. >> My understanding of spalling is that the bar rusts out that provides no more support for the concrete around it and therefore the concrete
at some point in time will just will fail because there's no support. But you don't know like in this particular photo we see the one that is broken in half >> but and this may be a question for the building per building official. You
don't know whether the same condition exists the ones that are all there right until you until you do radar or scrape them down to the rebar or whatever. Am I correct M Crawford? You know what I'm saying? >> I understand what you're saying. I I
just don't know the answer. I would have to dive. >> You want to add building my We don't know if all these steps are the same as one that's broken in half. >> Correct. >> Until you do testing. >> Um, typically something happens when you have cracking
or lack maintenance and painting. Water can get to the rebar and then the rebar rust basically expands and that is what's considered spalding which blows the concrete apart and you know slow process. And so yes, you sometimes cannot tell whether or not a step could or could not give. You know,
>> how do you know the step under and over that one aren't the same condition? >> You can't without doing testing, right? And that then that's what most typically will ask us the building will require a engineer. >> So if I walking down the steps, I could very well be the particularly with my
weight be the cause of the step above or below or any other >> and that is the issue with the life safety. You could fall through there. >> Got it. Okay. Thank you. >> Um, all right. So, we're just through just the rest of the pictures.
>> Okay. >> All right. Do you have any question? You can ask question or the building official. >> Yeah. My my understanding is >> Are you asking a question or you want to make a >> You want me do you want me to come up? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Are you ready to curious or do you want to ask a question?
>> I was asking a question. >> Okay. Okay. So the understanding cuz so we hired a general contractor pulled the permit everything. >> So who you you're asking Miss Crawford? >> I'm just stating. >> Okay. Then you are just making >> No, this is not I I I want to ask him a question. See, he's smarter than I about all this stuff.
>> So my understanding is this is what the general contractor advised me is that when when you have cracks and so basically the re rebar is the structure expands right when it pops off concrete. >> Correct. So the question uh was how do
you know this above or below is safe or unsafe? Isn't it if there's no cracks and assume that it is safe, right? That's my understanding. I walk in any 1960s building and be scared that it's just going to collapse. Doesn't isn't there physical signs to the eye that one
can see. >> So that's a fine that's answer in that yes can. life of a concrete depends on the maintenance and how kept up right concrete can last a very long time. Um if maintenance is kept typically you can't tell where the other I would
disagree with you in that if walked up to a step or a set of stairs and we have no cracks and it's pain has been taken care of and there's no signs of that then I would say yeah that >> you would assume that's okay that was my only question. Yeah, I mean again you can tell and they can do some testing in rebar and during the trial some of the
of it but yes on a general you would assume that the okay >> can painting hide cracks >> yeah painting can crack um it would take a lot of >> it's temporary >> so you can presume >> it's only temporary >> you can presume it's safe it's not
cracked [Music] >> I think a lot of different >> it matter whether there's other steps like this one is the presumption does the presumption lessen because another
>> because we've had one so yeah makes sense >> and that's what based on we have proved ones have failed and from the pictures we see full pieces of concrete the rust is the uh rebar is in poor shape the overall diameter is compromised and that's diameters required strength of
supporting it weights >> if a window leaks in a building and and all the other windows in the building don't leak But they've all been installed at the same time. It might be worth looking at the windows to see they're going to >> leak leaking. That's leaking check. I got it. >> And I, you know, I get both sides of it.
>> I got it. That's good. So, you ready to present your case? >> Okay. Go ahead. >> So, hi. Thank you for telling me you're on. Um I um so I said in the beginning we pulled a permit even before this code enforcement because we saw the issue,
hired a general contractor. Um the problem was that the so with all these concrete issues I don't it's all about maintenance right you have to make sure that the concrete is strengthened no cracks cuz then no water can get into the rebar rust up the uh and then pop it
open. Unfortunately we fell behind because contractor didn't really want to do work because it was so rainy this season. So he was saying that if you do this work with it within 24 48 hours of rain then it's just it's really going to hold you really work on condo condition.
So he constantly put me off and that was like going on for like 4 months. I guess it was like a very rainy season. Um and then it's kind of like slowed down the rain in the last two weeks was we started catching up all these uh so when I bought the building about three years ago I noticed this issue on a lot of
steps and the previous owner did a pretty good job of replacing basically it's um on both sides of the building every unit every secular unit has um like a private staircase with these individual concrete steps and the old owner was replacing them as needed. So
we were doing a great job up until the summer of maintaining or replaced. The the contract comes in looks at the issue and he sees either the rebar can be treated and then the concrete replaced or you have to take out the whole rebar. It's not salvageable and then he does
remove and that's what we've been doing. So >> I live condo numerous ones. >> Yes. That's a big especially if you ride the ocean because the salt water is moves really quick. So as the picture showed and that main really bad area that was our priority that did take care
of also yesterday um code enforcement someone I I forgot his name the general contractor he required a engineer to sign off that it was done correctly which we got yesterday. So the engine our property aside from contractor we had an engineer who come by and said
work was done well and uh the property is now safe. So, we're working. >> Well, when you say that the property's now safe, those steps are corrected. >> The the main area you saw that >> broke steps and the lack of >> Well, not that each individual step >> people still living upstairs.
>> So, they they Yeah, because now it's >> they still traverse up and down the steps. >> Yeah, but now it's safe and everything. There was a >> hangs still cracked like they're shown in the photos, whether they're not they're cracked. Not cracked. They're
not together. They're actually broken. >> Well, that's that's not up to you. That's in the back of the property where you see >> Isn't that where people go up now? >> Not not that area. No, not that that area where you showed the stair. >> So, what I hear you saying is everywhere that someone lives upstairs, the stairs totally repaired. >> So, there's two things, right? There's
individuals and then the structure steps. I mean, >> right. The structure of all the staircases are currently safe. >> I don't if I fall down the steps, I it's because I because structure made me slip. Yeah, there's one photo one area where the the step was missing. Still
>> that's one place that the different place from that area. >> It's still not safe for people to walk. Yeah. >> Up walk up and down to >> and we were gonna they started working on the area. Okay. >> Yeah. Stop range. We had window. Um that's regarding the concrete regarding the parking lot.
Um that that parking lot. So we've had a I don't know I don't know who in city and I mean I sp an email to people trying to just work everything. had an issue with the neighboring property that there was like a h when we bought the property there was almost like a half easement in place. It was just like not signed off on from the neighboring
property behind us that essentially you can drive through the back property and then leave the through the back. Um the neighboring property at first said she was going to give us easement so it would be like an actual parking lot but then she did now that now she built an entire concrete wall with no permits um
to to block access. And she did that because she she wanted to stop water flow going from the back of the property to the other side of the street. So what caused us is since she built we've had lot of which is obviously making the concrete like that staircase that separated that wet worse and it's also
kind of ruined the back parking lot even though it's not really a parking lot right now because there's only way access there's two car access so it's really a parking we let allow residents to use the parking openly but there's no signed spot back there in the front of the property which is sufficient parking for all our residents but the back is
not that easy now the block wall aided one so that that's why >> that to the city unpermitted. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I hope I hope they they know about that. >> The other part sounds like a civil issue. So >> I mean it was a civil but yeah I mean if
an easement then becomes a parking lot then it would stop becoming it would stop flooding and we can take care >> easement doesn't make something a parking lot or not. It might make access to the parking >> if you ingress and eress that what I was told is by code that's when it becomes a lot when there's and ingress. >> Exactly.
>> So that's what that issue. All right, city. You have anything any questions? First of all, >> um I don't know if I have any questions. I did uh want to present um two two additional items and uh >> did I ask if you wanted to present the PowerPoint and evidence?
>> I don't I don't think I did. Did you you have any objection to the PowerPoint being introduced in evidence? It'll be admitted then. >> Okay. Something additional. >> I mentioned um here this >> Yeah. >> Yep.
Um this is your your your position city's position steps safe. >> Yeah, that's my the city's position because there >> the respondent indicated that they weren't repaired yet, but the struct the stair structure he thought was okay, but
individuals hadn't been. And the reason why our position is that the staircases are still unsafe is because the the building permit um only covered the the one staircase that was uh stored um and letter that um
inspection uh was conducted and confirmed that that one staircase outside. Yeah, I did say um that is one document that I would like to present into evidence. >> Yeah. Yeah. I have any objection. Do you?
>> Uh it's not a it's just I thought that the the code violation just of that area. I see I didn't even thought there were areas that he was even I mean we're fixing it anyway because it's dry and we have that chance, but I wasn't even aware about those other like that was the first time I saw all the other photos and all the other issues.
[Music] >> Yeah. So in in the notice of violation, yeah, we want all the stair all the staircases to be safe. Um and then initially um so I would like to uh >> well you talk about but with decisions you all say that's the way I read the
charge too. So >> yeah. Um but the the scope of the work for the building permit uh that was submitted and completed uh there was this um this document that submitted by it looks like the contractor AA reliable construction um that states that there's
severe concrete spalling and crackling in exterior stairs and balconies. Um it goes over >> these are yeah >> like multiple spaces. >> Okay. This will be City exhibit two then since the
PowerPoint was one. Okay. [Music] >> I would like to also present this one into evidence for enter. >> This is another one.
[Music] That was just a you were given proposed exhibit three then. No problem. No, no objection.
[Music] Yeah. Okay. So, do you have anything further?
>> Um, I just wanted to quickly address that there are two additional code enforcement cases open on the properties behind uh this property and it is for the the permitted wall, unpermitted fence um as well as some Okay. Yeah,
>> just additional code cases. >> Okay, >> that's so he's working on that. >> Okay, >> so what is this proposal? [Music] Okay. So, uh based on testimony and evidence presented at this hearing, uh we respectfully request the magistrate
find the respondent violation of a not violation um and to immediately bring the staircases into compliance or secure the staircases to prevent individuals from utilizing uh due to the unsafe condition of staircase cases. Uh staff also request sign amount of 25th day
beed until compliance is achieved and confirmed by the code officer. Additionally, for all remaining violations, give the respondent until December 13th, 2025 to the violations the other violence of property into clients and compliance confirmed.
>> So you don't want to address a fine on the others until December 13th. >> Correct. >> Do you understand what the proposal is? What what's your view on that? No viable on some of them >> everything up the stairs cases you'd be acquired immediately either repair them so that they're used and
which means go through the whole process and have the inspections and for the building department and everything or secure so that they can't be used >> so the 50 >> and it would well orders issued and I will tell you that
I do find that this is a public safety issue and it does it is dangering the health and welfare I plan today is Thursday. I plan on having Miss Crawford have an order tomorrow. So, it would effective tomorrow that if you don't
have the uh that exact taken by Saturday, if you order out tomorrow, you would have immediate would be the next day we give you one day. >> We have
it immediately the city. >> We have money. I mean, we'll work on that. >> I I I know >> I can I'll listen to the city. What does the city say? >> That the city can life safety issue. We can't have people on the stairs up and down on the stairs. Um whether it's today or it's tomorrow or it's Monday,
we can't have the people on there. >> City would have be the Monday. I would also Saturday. just wanted to hear this. I'd also like to I'd also just like to remind on the record that um after you know there is a fine that we are asking to be instituted immediately. However,
with good faith and quick resolving of these issues um the individual can come back and ask you for a reduction in that lean later on. >> That's right. So what what what was just Mr. Palmer just said was what I'm going to or I'll tell you right now what I'm going to get compliance which is
ultimately be Saturday on the stairs and then everything else by December 13th and that the fine starts on Saturday if you don't have everything done but 50 a day and what Palmer was just pointing out is depending on
how things go okay you might persuade the city to agree to lessen the f eliminate take the fine ever, but that will be decided at a future day. But I I am going to find that there is a public >> Yeah, I get it. So the question, a few questions. So number one is you say till
Saturday, you have to have code enforcement come back out to inspect it and then it's over. But then they don't work on Saturday. >> That's called I don't know. They I bet I I bet you're wrong in this case, but that's not my call.
>> Okay. My guess is that the city will go out and inspect the stairways on Saturday. >> Yeah. Okay. So, we'll have >> otherwise they wouldn't have said public health safety issue and all that if they didn't. >> Yeah. You said the permit was only done for that particular area. So, to fix all
those other little staircases, do we need another permit or would we build under that permit with no permit? >> I think you would just >> Well, that's between that's between you. That seems like something that's imple implementing things. I will. Is there anything further for me on this? Ma'am, you were sworn as a witness, but
>> earlier. >> Oh, okay. You're for punishment. So, I'm going to find that the violations cited are indeed violations on the property and I will order
in this case 25271 that the stairways be improved, inspected and finalized prior to immediately which this like I said this order will issue tomorrow and If or if
if they're not permitted and inspected and finalized, made safe, then the property owner has the option of securing them by blocking access to the and preventing
the use of the stairways by anybody. And that's going to be your obligation. And if that's not done by immediately a fine of $2 for run to all other violations, you'll have till December 13th, 2025.
Like we don't if you were in the prior hearing or not, but we're not going to have a hearing till January 14th. Okay. So basically have long on those other violations unless something arises from a public health safety and there's an emergency
meeting. I don't but anyway on those number the duty to have them all in compliance and if they're not then we'll have hearing about what what the fine will be on those. >> Can we talk about that parking lot? Is that is that the only >> that's a that's a question we
>> Is that for me or that for you guys? >> Oh, that can be for us. >> Okay. Cuz >> No, there's a there's a broken pipe. Um >> Well, hang on. That will be my order issued in this case and it'll be followed up by a written order. >> Okay. >> Okay. regarding that particular issue.
>> What >> immediate on the stairways? >> Yes. >> 250 a day fine. Everything else all the other violations have to be uh attain compliance by December 13th. >> But the parking lot still has to be compliant even though it's not really a
parking lot. >> I find it is a parking lot. >> Only when there's two two lane cars. It's not a two-lane car access. >> The city. Okay. going to reheat that part and I'll issued the order again in a sec. What's the city's position on
whether or not that's a parking lot? It looked like >> I think because it's lapidated, that's the concern. Not that it needs to be a parking lot, but that there there's tripping and >> Well, let me say what I understood. I
understood all that area was a parking lot. >> It it was >> it was a parking lot and now it's a dilapidated parking lot. That's the issue. not whether it functions as or doesn't function as a parking lot. It was a parking lot and
now it's in a dilapidated condition. That's okay. If I got that right, that's what I understood. >> Yes. >> Okay. Then my order will stand about December 3rd on all the other code violations. >> Um right. And then >> Okay. [Music]
>> There is a broken pipe >> and I'll let you guys work out the details. >> I probably skimmed through it. Um the section is uh section 50 sanitary drainage. Um yes. >> Okay. Is there anything else to come before this magistrate thing?
Nothing else. We're