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We're good. >> Ready? The meeting will come to order. Please stand if you are able to stand. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all. The girl has complied with the daily publication of the Sunshine Law by after the primary election this year. So, I believe it's time to meet eyes and catch up with all regular meetings. This meeting is one of the meetings listed in the Sunshine Law and copies of

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the regular meeting were generated by our office for approval. We have the minutes here. I have seen them on the table already. Uh I can see my name. I got it. She needs a motion to approve the minutes. Second. Make it 20 minutes.

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All right. I mean, we went through the February 26th special meeting minutes. I'm so moved. Uh the March 11th special meeting minutes. We need a second on Oh, yes. Second. Motion to approve the minutes. Second. All right. The motion to approve the

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minutes. Second. So, that's two special meetings and one working session. Okay. Oh, Gretchen. I have to vote on the minutes. It's not Okay. So, the first one is I'll just do this. Let's take the February minutes.

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Signing in attendance. The word is unanimous. These are your motions. I'll sign. We have minutes that passed and are not there. Um and they're not in that stack and they're not in there. Yeah, I'll just sign it. Oh, so they're sitting here, but they were not

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They're not factor it And we tell our clerk is not here today so we are doing it Okay So now I'm going to open the floor to public comment. Remember that during both meetings public comment is up front

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for both resolutions and special items. [clears throat] So if you have anything you'd like to say this is your moment So we just need to make sure we have a quorum here and ask Yes >> I'm Woodbury of the Township and I'm

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advisor to the public school district of Woodbury and we'd like to continue the discussion from the last meeting about change about backyard pets You should have a packet of an outset Graham Patterson who is chair

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of our group did unfortunately had another commitment and he can't be here but I would really want to acknowledge him and thank him for the phenomenal job that he did with the putting together this information and you may notice in the proposed ordinance that all of us on

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the committee reviewed gave our comments and it's not basically a combination between the Township ordinance and Stratford one and the reason that we included things from Stratford one is because looking at the types of houses

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whether they're twins or row homes or big homes and homes with it did seem to be really helpful in defining the amount of hens that would be proper to have in someone's backyard and so I think he did a really

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wonderful job on that and this is what we're proposing that would be accepted because we all agreed after we reviewed the comments that our district probably would promote ordinances. And if you go through the rest of it, talking about you could think if you

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even had started the backyard chicken advisory board guide, you see all the people that are involved. Ann DeVito is with you tonight today. He's the secretary of the group. Uh so, we have more than enough people that are interested in serving as

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members of the backyard chicken advisory board. And very, very committed this to me with all the towns that I've worked with and I've been successful in helping third to five towns change their law. This is the dream team. They're really committed. They're very educated and put

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a lot of time into this. We had meetings with the board leading up to this. And so, we're very happy with our presentation as we can do a chance to ask any other questions or mention any concerns that you have. >> Thank you so much. I will uh mention

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that we did receive those things from Cranberry late last night or late afternoon. So, we had I adjusted this. Um so, I just wanted to share it with our attorney. And we only did it to kind of discuss things with that before and saw what we see in these numbers.

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Chicken lines are a lot higher than the original ordinance that was discussed in early '21, '22. >> Correct. >> Uh but the numbers are have been higher than something like that going on in Stratford more so than they had in the

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township. So, what I see >> Well, not not really. I think maybe the confusion is the first year that someone has hens, the limit is four regardless of if they have three acres of property in town. >> And we did that in the town and township

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because we wanted to make sure that the family really enjoyed doing it once they did it. They didn't want to like that is what I want and then the court has always said we would be helpful in helping that we voted that not to numb ourselves and I'm taking in a lot of not

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for that reason taking in a lot of offense from somebody who's other board members of the board killed by something or whatever not to and how something because the creditor put anything in stone or but at any rate maybe that is what's in

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people's minds that we said like four we didn't ever said stable four it always explained the idea after the first year it would go up to whatever number. This is the first time that we've actually used Stratford for two or three years and how many was fair to be probably

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therefore it goes up and it's fair. It's not going to be one of those ones that if you have 8,000 square feet, you know, you can have 25 chickens. So I mean it's really based on what is a good number that we feel for the size of the property.

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>> Um can I ask how long Stratford had their residence? >> I would say it's probably three years old. Yeah, it actually was April 23rd. They got their They just had an ordinance. Most of the towns now because you

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approved it in all of the pilot programs that if they're successful none of the pilot programs has failed and not become ordinances. So more recently it's kind of a waste of town's money to create a pilot ordinance and then have to go a couple of years and make another real

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ordinance because pilot is successful. And the best part is we've done it in every tiny town. We've done it in large expansive towns like Groton. We've done it in little tiny towns like Oakland. We've done it in You can have them in Taftville. They

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have their own ordinances for whatever it is the six or seven management services in Taftville. Um so they're every single layer of looking at population, looking at housing values, looking at educational levels, all the statistics that you can

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find about towns. And it's just successful everywhere. So, that we are not suggesting and strongly discouraging having a pilot and wasting time and wasting money for this plus money to make them. In order to create a pilot just like in town of

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Farmington and emergencies and emergencies do. >> Any other public comment? You guys have any clarification? >> I'll be all right. So, I I did have a chance to quickly look over this this morning. Um, it mentions advisory board meetings.

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Um, can you share a little bit more about that? I know that you've got office service and these other folks, would those be open to the public? Is there an agenda? Um, what do you see if any need for her staff? Can you just share a little bit more about what those >> So, currently, well, I mean, they should

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have a meeting at least twice a year. But, that's kind of looking at the future. Plus, obviously, there's a lot more to accomplish when the program first starts. So, it may be a monthly meeting. It could be on Zoom and doesn't always have to be in person. But, just to discuss you know, what the current

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situation is, how many people have booked a class and and finished the class. Cuz it is it takes a long time, in a sense, to get ready to even have a chicken in your yard. You put some grain and this is set up. The first thing they do is book at the 3-hour class, either

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in person, which my most care from any kind of chicken would probably be able to do. But, because a lot of people work and have kids and all that, Zoom class um tends to be better and it's a 3-hour class. Once they look at it, then they

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have to take a quiz. I don't trust anybody. I feel responsible to the towns with or whatever town I'm working with, that um the person actually looked at it. So, there is a quiz. And one of the main questions in the quiz is where do you put your food and water? And sure,

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put it in the shade, put it near the water, but you can't well you should better put it according to my council ordinance. Plus, that's what's important. And they need to know that. And you know, they won't fail the test for one question, but the way this thing I'm going to bring that up, okay? Look at all the

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physical things, not that. And then once that's done, then somebody's got to work has to go out and just look at their property. Have their measuring tape with them. They'll go and see it. And then of course, look it up online how much square foot that property is. Where do you want to put

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your coop? Blah blah. Once that part's done, then they can build or buy their coop. And then there's another visit to make sure it's predator proof. Probably because we have a lot of predators even in the day and folks around here. But, with hawks

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What's the last one? Yeah, it's your pets. You got to take care of like your pets. You're just a citizen practicing. But, on the other hand, we also want to make sure that they're not able to get out of their coop and get in a neighbor's yard or whatever. So, their the second visit is

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to make sure everything's totally predator proof. And then if it is, we can sign them off and they can come to the clerk department and pay their money to get their license and then they get their tickets. So, there's not one chicken said put on that property till

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all that stuff is done. >> And you know, so just to clarify, are those meetings open to the public? >> Oh, yes. Tell me we never say no. Okay. No, I mean we every time we have a board meeting which now we only meet twice a year, April and October, we always put

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it on our chicken Facebook page and whatever, but certainly it's a common and once in a while like a new valley it's just got to get its coffee. You spend more time talking about I don't know what he's doing and the new one, you know, whatever just kind of

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discussing stuff. And also the worship and all the server has the township comes to all meetings go to your house. >> Yes, so I'm getting about what our needs might be from the borough side. So this is community center, but you also said zoom. You know, if the meeting center has

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space that's something we want to know. So we would want to know how that is and if that space is a loss revenue for the borough, but if you could do it too, that would be and then in in this something that we're considering how to be able to access those meetings and if you're going to do

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it in the show. If they want to be publicly they want to be on the board whatever it what's that cost? >> Sure and if one of you one or two public board meetings that's something we'd like to you know, there's no there's no open and open. >> Okay. >> Now we have a limit limit right now we

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passed 60 that our ordinance in 2013. That was 10 years ago at our township. We've never get 30. I think we're up to 28 or 29 now. But we had discussed it with Mayor Teague when we created the ordinance and

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he basically picked a number out of the sky because we figured you know, if we don't have a limit then maybe people are going to think that 150 houses are all going to run out of township. I mean just knew that that was going to happen, but that's why he just picked that number.

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And what he also told us that we got to meet the extra one all we would have to do would be to call the council and say we have a great person who would be an asset because sometimes you do you know, people get older. One of the gentlemen gave it up because

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he just couldn't do it anymore. So where people move to another town sometimes but they you know, they're considered too. But I mean the point is that it's kind of fluctuates. It's not always just going straight up. It's up and down, and up and down, but we never get burned.

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>> Just one more question for me and um to the to others. Um there's a clause in this proposed ordinance that anyone who violates uh this, there is a fine uh not to exceed $1,250 for a citizen per turn. In any other of

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the towns that the board trip have you imposed fees and or citizen? >> No, never had to be done. >> Okay. >> And that's kind of again the benefit of the backyard work. So, again, what was your complaint? And I can't reiterate this enough. Somebody that knows what they're doing

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plus and I don't want somebody that's not real familiar with chicken scent to people from New York who go or I would go with them. Not a problem. But I mean, say it was your smell, which we don't want to smell in our house either. So, that's really a non-found thing, really. But if it was, the enforcement officer

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went and probably say, "Yeah, it smells. So, you have whatever your work is." Says 2 weeks, then they say, "Where do you get after you're going to get a chance?" In our case, we're going to teach. What are you doing? We're going to talk about what they're using for bedding. We're going to talk about how often they should change it. Maybe this works

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better. And blah blah blah. And say, "You have the 2 weeks or whatever to fix it." And we'll go back. And if it isn't, then we turn it over to the enforcement officer. We don't say, "Hey, they need to have fines levied and levied or we have to have chickens removed or

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anything like that." We've done our best at a bill cost to the township to fix the problem if there was a problem. And if not, that's who we wanted to sell all that stuff. None of it's ever happened because it's never gotten sent. >> I'm just hoping that I'm trying to make

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sure I understand the delineation between citizens who are volunteers and for a staff time and when people are not those lines. Um have we done this to the solar 2 years ago or do you remember that happening? >> Not thoroughly, but if all the public would uh she's discussing

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citizen advisory board to have things like cat owners and what not. Our staff could do that. Two of the violations periods and going back to potential

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imprisonment that that is a typical ordinance violation and it is statutory. I've actually seen somebody go to prison for these violations but it is just typical language that is statutory.

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>> I David 136 Jersey Avenue. Just just to add I have all my property in Hollywood. I have dogs, cats, bees and worms and there's more education, support and rigor behind this than any of you know

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any of the things that have been going on for any of those so if you the quiz covers it's very thorough and covers all of the things including essentially screening. Owners or sandwich it's like dogs or children if you don't take care of them they

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might stink or get loud. It's not chickens. So I didn't need the class isn't way to get people there. Some people will probably get stopped having to take the class inside this is too much work and I'm not going to do it. Then the multiple steps to getting approved for the coop and space.

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It's a very thorough and allowed with a lot of fail safes and I think that I was pleased to see the cat wasn't hurting houses partly because as a member of the board I was thinking how many times I have to go to these properties and you know enter their backyard and by the way the fact that I had to touch this 29

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after all this time we've gotten since this has gone public we've had maybe a hand of people shout express interest. It's not like there's you know, 150 miles of residence jumping into the thing. And then there was a dedicated group [snorts] but it and it's only a little bit of something. That's something that the war people are

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also involved in. >> Uh is this open comments for residents? >> between and Anderson. >> It's on camera 25 East Wayne Terrace, Maryland. Parking problem. Recently, I was given three tickets over four days on my old Jeep parked in front

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of my house for not having a parking parking permit. That is insane. Insist on behalf of the town the process by which I was given those tickets to be prepared immediately. We've lived here a year and a half. Parked in front of my home every night

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for that entire time. Not once did the borough ever inform me as a new resident a permit was needed, why a permit was needed, how to go about getting such a permit, the window I was allowed to get sent to, etc.

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I got one ticket, was unhappy, but paid it just to not waste my time. And then I bring it up here at some point. Not to complain, but to demand we do better. Quality of life of the town. It should never be residents against the borough

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in hearts and minds. And the surprise of the ticket shows we don't care who this woman is. It takes a day or so to gather all the paperwork for two cars, two people, and present it to the police station or borough hall. But I got a second ticket 48 hours later

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before I could get there with the papers. Sent in all the required paperwork and got a third ticket the next day before I was able to pick up the tag. I wrote a pleasant enough letter to the police chief making clear that there was a glaring problem with our ticketing

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enforcement. Please throw out the second and third tickets. He agreed to cancel the third. But the second one was now in the hands of the system and I'd have to pay or go to court. I reminded him that he was chief. Since this is all clearly wrong, he

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should step in and fix it for me and everyone else. And act like the chief he is. Nothing he could do. So I bit my lip and decided to go above him to change the system. That's why I'm here. Three different cops over four nights,

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all around 2:30 in the morning. Using a ticketing system that goes back to the Eisenhower era. In this modern age, there's no excuse for that. Any of many modern ticketing systems are commonly available

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and competitively priced. Each one had the wrong the same court date, 10:00 a.m. Went to court 10:00 a.m. as directed by three officers. Sign said come back 11:00. Back 11:00, entered into a bullet proof chamber.

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Told I should have to read the I I that I should have read the small print on the back. I said I do not have to read the small print on the back. That three separate officers wrote I should come to court today at 10:00 a.m. That is instructions enough.

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So I came back a third time and sat in court and waited. A fellow who works for the courts, who was probably my age and looked 30 years older, like he stepped out of 1960s in the Carolinas, called me then to the back of the room and told me I should pay the ticket. I told him I said no.

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He said, "Well, a ticket is the easiest thing for us to prove and you should pay." I told him I said no. He excused himself, came back and said, "Okay, we'll cancel the second, but you still have to go in front of the judge to wrap it up." Sitting at the small table with us was a very big fellow who ends up being the

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assistant police chief. Wearing his hair in an extreme high and tight that may work on a young soldier, but makes him seem like an angry tough, full time. Visually, between the two, it just did not seem like the colleagues with I see

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in the real world. He seemed angry with the situation, didn't acknowledge me, and walked away when I was informed I wasn't going to be forced to pay the second ticket. Again, this is not citizen against the courts or the court officers. But visually, it was archaic.

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From another time, not the modern world. Canning the ticket wasn't doing me a favor, and it sure pissed off a cop as if I got over on him. And I shouldn't be made to feel any of that. Then the judge, I stood up before he fully canceled the ticket.

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He informed me that I had been rude to his courtroom. When I told her I did not have to read the small print on the back that three separate officers wrote on the front exactly when and where I was to come to court, and I was clearly unhappy. So here we were in front of the entire

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court with the judge holding a big serving spoon of dog poop up to my mouth, daring me to refuse to eat it. While the conclusion to a smorgasbord of total BS, I ate the food. Only because I didn't know what secret

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stack of additional fines he had at the ready under the desk. And I have a life to live. That said, the win for the town I paid by eating poop [clears throat] publicly is that the ticketing system gets changed now.

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I was informed when I was there by others that one street had all gotten tickets during the daytime. All residents, no sign, no warning, parking where they always do. This is a quality of life issue. Every single person who gets a surprise ticket un- unjustly loves the town,

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their town, and their police force a little less. Because it is clear that the town in that moment doesn't care about them. I'll run into the judge socially at some point. Fill him in on all the good that came from that spoonful of poop. Thank

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you. >> I would begin by saying you have a town bylaw that says there's no parking on any of the student districts without a permit. Um I I'm not sure what sort of process we have to inform new residents

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um and homeowners of that ordinance. There's a couple signs throughout town. Um maybe not as visible as they I You have not seen it, but there are signs up. I've lived in South Orange for 8 years. I've got five or six parking tickets

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one a year and some pop up. Um I don't have my parking permit. Um I spoke to the chief about this and we are adding additional signage. Um Chief Mary Chief Wong from China about additional signage for our running group. >> The overnight parking I mean there

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there's coming into town. We'll have signs posted so that it's clear when you get to town. I mean there's also posted on the website what the regulations are for parking and no parking. So >> Um and then I'm sure we'll look into it further.

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The correct time before it was not being on the ticket. It said that this is not a ticket on the front situation or parking on the front. >> It was hand drawn on the front by three different officers. Same day, same time. >> Mr. Mayor, I've looked into time of day

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and time of day rules. >> Want to make sure that's accurate. Correct. >> Additionally Additionally we need a new system. It's not expensive. One that coordinates the police on who's gotten a ticket where.

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It's ridiculous that I got three tickets over four days. It means that we are not coordinated as a team and it's not a big deal to do that and it's inexpensive. It's a quality of life issue and every time somebody gets a ticket, they didn't know that they were doing anything

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wrong. They're angry at the bureau, and they're angry at the cops, and it just shouldn't be that way. So, you knew you were doing something wrong when you got the first Okay? And then you parked two more times in the same spot. And you, as you described it, go through the process.

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You knew you weren't supposed to be parking on the street in those hours, and you did. So, it's not a problem with the coordinating with the police. It's just a problem that you have to park off the street. >> You are wrong. You are wrong. Okay, I'll tell you to your face you're wrong. You

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got it? I got my first ticket, I started the process, I got the second ticket before I could finish it, and I got the third ticket while I was in process. Three tickets over 4 days after living here for a year and a half. None of that is right. So, you can try to justify it

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in any way you want. It's ridiculous. >> Thanks. >> We're We're taking your comments. Um we're going to look into making sure that what's written on the ticket is the correct time that you should have brought it to court at the hour that it was written. Um

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we're working on signage so people are aware of the 2:00 to 6:00 no parking and you can also Yeah, you don't get a welcome packet in the town, right? I don't know what it's giving out information off of. Sorry to ask, but they're your tracks and that is

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from your neighbors. Um We can We can develop some sort of a welcome to the neighborhood town. Click here on the website for things you need to know, and that could be one good thing because it's one of our laws. Um

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there's a safety issue, too. Drivers are not permitted to be able to were developed before people had multiple cars. Um so, there's a safety point. Any other comments? If you have any other comments, you can go over there and wait.

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Resolution. Um First on our list is sending resolution 2026 appointing Remington Engineering as the engineer for the Post Office building. Bobby Thompson. So, just to explain the

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they've given uh Ibank funding. We can give Ibank funding for this project. And as for Ibank requirements, we have to appoint uh Remington Engineering specifically in the original resolution. So, that's why we're sending

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this one and the next one will be awarding Remington Engineering. Who is our current engineer to work on this present project? So, more or less housing bank or CI bank. Yes, that's us. I'd like to go make a change and sign our resolution.

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>> We'll just do the Ibank. >> Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. All right. So, the second one is awarding the engineer Sheriff Green. All in favor? Yes. Third resolution on the list is

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appointing Wyatt to the Council for the Bureau of Commerce. Yes, yes. >> Department of Homeland Security. What is this for? >> So, So, this is CI bank. So, we are considering adopting a

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special investigation regarding uh fire incident that occurred in town which is talking short security policies that were not in place to follow appropriately. So, we thought appropriate to appoint somebody who has uh

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no past history of the town to go through all of our regulations and rules and procedures essentially instead of the >> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. Next resolution on the list is authorizing the shared service agreement

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Township Board of Education. >> Uh sure. So, um these are discussions that have been in place for 8 months, a long time. Um discussions about uh partnering uh regarding recreation that we handled discussions of the

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plan to play uh document um that was conducted prior to me being elected into office. And using um recreation funds in order to serve both the schools and public. So, this shared service agreement means that, for instance, playgrounds will now be available after

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school hours and I'll look at the kids. Um that means that the walking track will be available, and it means that those funds uh that were taken out again prior to us office um will be used for development and recreation to be shared with the schools and the borough. For instance, that's just one example.

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Um the behind the school will be available to the borough for July activities. Uh there would be space for other programs as well. As I go by the years of but this is uh uh

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This and it is memorializing this agreement that has been in discussion for a public input uh for the last And a necessary step forward for the investment that's being made in the fields behind the school high school complex. And this field will also be for

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recreational needs of the borough's recreation programs. So, all of this is will be allowed with this shared service agreement. >> So, that's it. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. And the last resolution on the list is authorizing the payment of bills as per

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75 B. Yes. Yes. All right. So, I'm discussing items. For the last few working meetings, we've discussed the process of licensing pets in the bureau. Um I wanted to look at this further. So, uh

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residents probably will know that they have to pay a small fee to license your animals each year. And what does that go to and why do you do that? Well, I asked um Betty Jo, who serves as the CFO for the bureau as well as Sandra Duffy, our

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administrator, for a little more detail so I can understand this fully. So, in the year 2025, we spent in total $33,305 on the animal control officer, paying overtime for the weekends, humanely disposing

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of his animal ordinances, tag reminders, and the licensing program. So, we spent $33,000. However, to date in 2026, we have only collected $5,720.80. Thus, thank you, there's a difference of $27,500.

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So, the reason for bringing this up is we are highly asking our residents please license their animals so that this can pay for animal control and other pieces required. If they don't, this money has to come from elsewhere in our budget. So, what I I wanted to bring

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these numbers to the rest of the commissioners that Betty Jo last year gave me and discuss any kind of We discussed the senses and other things, but I think the first thing is just communicating this is what the money is for. We'd really like you to do the licenses,

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maybe it's down prior. Um Um What do you two think? Probably get this message to them. >> It's a little chance. >> Right. We can also, you know, I know we do we do mailings twice a year for our

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our sporting ball. Town board also. They get it in a relatively large prior. There's space on that weekend. As a reminder, maybe you heard that it's getting mailed out every month. I do know that a postcard gets sent to

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everyone who has previously registered that it's time for renewal. So, that is already done. And I do believe the the registration paperwork goes in the winter time and prior and that's the big thing you have to try to fill out

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and Um so, there because it opens I think Jan 1 and then mid-March and then after that there's an additional fee, right? So, that I know that that does fill out, right? And maybe

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the district will go up which would make more of so it's a little low. I got people who hear but what are things you need to know? I'm pretty sure you're going to have to do this. What are things that maybe you're really familiar with and somebody you don't really need to do this?

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That's a lot of stuff to be sure. There's a well-known resident. >> Okay. It's $27,000. It's kind of funny but So, here's what I did. >> I know there's more. >> They're currently uh Whatever that math is 5700 divided by 70. >> How many dollars is it? You have more

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than those dollars. >> So, I feel like ball parker I need to stay by the phone, please. >> And we're going to license your best. >> I think it's not. We'll start with that and we'll see how that goes, if that brings in additional money. We discussed the census, but there is cost staff, so

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trying to wait somewhere in the middle. Okay, that's not how I thought. Okay. All right. AI data centers and then so I had there is obviously lots in the 2000 after data centers. Um I did learn about something called an AI

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node, which I shared uh and talked to him about. Um some municipalities are banning these items. Um some are regulating. Wanted to bring this up for discussion with us. Uh do you want to do nothing? Do you want to ban? Do you want to regulate? Do

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you want to go ahead and ignore? Or whatever your thoughts are. >> So for centers, I don't think I don't think we need any regulation in this space. I mean you just have to guard that. But the nodes, yeah, you should definitely have some kind of regulation. I mean it's just logically it's far

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better to do a regulation than a ban. >> It'll stand. >> It'll stand the challenge. >> That was my question. >> That's first of all experience that. But it's Yeah, it's it's it's become a threat. And I probably haven't seen

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braves on the nodes. >> I was specifically to have doubt that. >> Yeah. as of yet. >> Yes. So that's the way to >> a little bit because next to your house it kind of looks like a little air conditioning unit. And so in areas where you can't build a giant data center,

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these companies are then giving them to you and then offering you 20 plus thousands dollars to have this on your property. Um so it's it'll be appealing, but also Well, the big problem is it sounds like they want to do them in groups.

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So it would just be one in the sound of air conditioning would be talking out. You and your and three streets, so that home and the other two just get a call. So I mean Yeah. Yeah, 13 samples in my phone.

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I reached out to the uh uh William County to see if they had any one that had a a bottle. But this I haven't heard back. It was a suggestion that I put on their website to see if they can bottle one. But I haven't heard back. But yeah, I also couldn't find

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anything. Yeah. >> I feel like this is all going to be so fast. Like even the work I had I know that didn't know until a couple of weeks ago. So, it would be my preference to get ahead of this. Um So, >> And and that's the whole point of you

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passing regulations and things like that and having to do them before they start coming to you because most of those types of ordinances and that bans or regulations passed through it only apply

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after you pass it. Makes sense. Be ahead of the curve. >> I also wanted to circle back to this. This is a topic we discussed a few times. Here we discussed. >> Yeah, if you want to share more. >> Sure. So, I kind of dived a little deeper into it.

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seriously considering on modifying your considering this a lot with your licenses. I took a look at some surrounding towns as people have done the process differently. Ultimately, you do need to have a referendum. But how that referendum gets on the

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ballot is different to the speakers. But we will be bringing that to the May meeting. Um referendum binding question, and that is because all of our currently resolutions prohibited sale of alcohol.

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Since we're changing that, there's a specific mechanism in state statutes which require any resident-driven petition to come to the governing body before a measure can be put on the ballot.

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And deadlines are associated with that event. So, if you're looking to get any binding question on the ballot in November, for your November general election, the governing body here must pass the resolution by

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August 21st to get it to county clerk's office, so they are able to put the question on the ballot. That's the drop-dead date, so you should be looking at this. We're looking for a petition

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to be completed and us pass the resolution. You should be looking to do it before that drop-dead date. Give us a little bit of a week. And for the petition, the number of signatures you need to have 15% of

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the voters who voted in the last uh general assembly election, so the last November's election. 15% of those voters have to be on the signed petition with the county clerk's. Um in general, you will want more than that baseline number because some

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some signatures might not get in or get disqualified. You never So, you go Uh So, petition should be completed before that August 8th, so I have enough time to pass the resolution sending it to the

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county clerk. As far as the question that will be on the ballot you have 25 referendum it spelled out in the statute so I don't know what I'm looking at I just want to say now to

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the post office before anything like that it's up there looking at this and to coordinate And and those are your your calendar drop dead dates something to keep in mind if you're doing the binding question

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if you consider majority votes yes or majority votes no if majority votes yes you're obligated to move forward and ask for more ordinances or sending supplements that prohibit it and then moving forward with that process

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if they come out with a majority vote no you can then be prohibited from putting this back on for a two-year referendum question for another five years so just keep that in mind I guess you got my cell phone number just in case

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I just wanted to throw it out there but I have a nice little letter because they're more than likely I don't know what they're going to do they dropped it they dropped it before those were the two sport forums and the two candidates right so so I I've have done this in the past

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where the same thing happened where we gone out and we have to show them our license and go out to do that. Set the base line and wait for the numbers to come in. So, if you don't get any qualified bidders,

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then you start the process over. But, the best way to set the base line is to just look at the surrounding areas to see what the market value is. But, if you put it too high, >> Do we have any other data to pull from surrounding municipalities? How do we find what what

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Oh, but you know, it's like looking for a house, how do you find the comps? Do we have any comps from around? >> So, easily if they have gone out to bid recently, then those are those are easily findable with the same resolution.

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Um, there's also a private market or sale transfer. >> Yeah, but finding someone to actually do that like the who's licensed Yeah, yeah, but um um the right way to sell it is you know, private transfers and the difficulty there is there's a market already set

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and there's a limited sort of greater demand. You know, the township to buy the liquor license. And there's only six in the main in that spot. You know, and if you pay people pay more than one, what is getting rolled out?

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Correct. >> And it's not the end of the world. I mean, you might have to go through the process and you set the base line and you don't get any interest and you have to do it again and do it again and follow the threshold. It's not a big deal to do that as long

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as you budget correctly. You're not anticipating revenue or base on you. >> Just a couple of things. You don't have to put out that we're going to get one. You just decide where it's going to go to. It's just two or four. So many right? And then secondly is what the

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petition process for a referendum, you kind of have to nail down what you're going you know, what it's going to be, right? It's going to be this many licenses, this kind of license. These are what the restrictions will be on the license. Like, you kind of have to nail down and name

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and what that is. You got to think of the petition, too, before you sign it, put it on the ballot. It's like, we're putting on the ballot either this like, we're not putting on You know, this is what we're doing. Literally, the petition is like, do you

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want to put this on the ballot? And then, it's got to say what's going to be on the ballot, and that's the big problem. >> So, first step would be coordinating with the Anne Arundel County Office, and then you get all the petition ready, and then you're

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going to need some residents to do a grassroots campaign Yeah, to get your signatures, and then there's a time period of time where they bring the signatures back and then Clark will have to review them, much like any primary election, but it's

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um to do that, and um petition before process of getting a resolution to send it to They have to >> Good. You got to have >> Yeah, that's what I was thinking, guys. >> That's very helpful.

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>> Yeah, yes. I'll make a motion to approve. >> Uh but I have So, the floor Uh actually, I'll take a moment. Uh A few things from Lindsey Bergeron who's out today. Um We'll welcome Amelia. Uh Amelia Shaw is our new legal intern,

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a 2024 graduate of the Concord High School, a rising junior at Loyola University Maryland, where she's pursuing a degree in communication and media. Her specializations in journalism, digital media, and a minor in marketing. This summer, she's interning in the Department of Community and Economic

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Development, Lindsay Ferguson. Her job is assisting with social media, the town prior, website updates, app development, and that's more than one. Really appreciate good stuff in our community. She worked at the Department of Economic Development for several years, served as a featured speaker at

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the 2024 June 2 event, and works at local businesses including Eco Garden and Jones Sporting. She also has experience with WICN TV and currently manages social media for several organizations that we're all aware of, including Overlook, First

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Generation Farms, and her long-time dog, Gifford. Really appreciate seeing Sarah. I'm sorry, I have no idea what >> It's okay. It's Cambodian. >> So that's a Cambodian dessert. >> Yes. >> Okay. Her skills in graphic design, photography, video production, and content creation are a great great fit

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for her role. She's excited to give back to the town. Okay. Welcome, Amelia. We're very excited to have you. >> Thank you. >> Um Amelia Park project update from Lindsay and her team. The girl received four RFPs for the mural park project. This is the one that sent a packet home.

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Two finalists have advanced to the interview stage, which is being scheduled for next week for members of the public art committee, including Chris Lorey, Hal Spence, and Matt Walker of the Economic Development Collective. Project remains on schedule. The original plan was to award the contract at the July Commission meeting. However, that July 6

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meeting has been canceled because we have given notice to the town to remind people that Um so our next meeting will be July 15th. This will be the meeting. As an alternative to the award of the mural, it could take place at the July first meeting or be moved to the August Commission meeting.

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Um whatever everybody wishes to do regarding it. And then finally, uh for Amelia's app development update. So, um there has been discussion and and a lot of work done on the town app. It's installed a bit uh over the past few weeks. Um as I think the case with any

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development, and business development team was working with Mary and Susan. The project is launching in six states which is supported by Chameleon. One of Chameleon's primary projects is several will be working with Lindsay Parkinson to compile the information needed to complete the app outline and transfer it

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to the phone. So, this is very exciting. The outline includes sections on Collingwood, an event calendar, shop, dine, Collingwood cash, public deals, things to do, getting here and getting around, parks, the farmers market, Scottish Rite Masonic Lodge, Asians, government services, public library,

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schools, volunteer news, and foreign exchange. So, exciting things to come. There's some potential app games that are under consideration including the Collingwood, Collingwood on the go, Collingwood mobile, and foreign exchange. So, if you have any thoughts on the app, feel free to reach

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out to Susan and myself. I'll pass it along. Juneteenth is this Friday from 5:00 to 8:00 p.m. along Erban Avenue and the Griffin parking lot. Uh, please join. Enjoy live performances. Uh, there's a DJ and line dancing, free readings. The South Jersey 40+ Ensemble does amazing

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stuff. Absolutely amazing. Mr. Boom Boom's African drum circle, food and beverage vendors and more. Uh, first Juneteenth commemorates the day of 1865 when enslaved Africans in Texas learned of their freedom marking the end of slavery in the United States.

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From its humble origins, Juneteenth has risen to a national celebration of community and culture in the nation. This local event honors the rich heritage of the black diaspora but it promotes unity and invites the whole community to learn about this important holiday. We do need some volunteers. Uh, the link

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can be found on the website, it's on the Facebook events, or on Instagram. I also find it on my social media. Love to have a few more to help out for Juneteenth. The Collingwood Civic Collective Collingwood Gardens Tour is on June 27th from 11:00 to 5:00.

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Tickets are available at Kohl's Civic Center at 11:30 a.m. Kohl's would summer movies in the park begins July 9th with Princess Diaries 2001 and will follow every Thursday at dusk through August 20th. And

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more details to come but there's going to be a free film watch party July 9th at 7:00 p.m. at Kohl's Civic Center in partnership with Business Improvement District. So save the date cuz it's exciting. And I mentioned that our next meeting is July 14th.

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The only other thing I wanted to mention is notice has been given to the city but just make sure Borough Hall's now on summer hours Monday through Thursday from 9:00 to 5:30 and Friday from 9:00 to 11:30. This will last for summer hours for our

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staff so please plan accordingly. This goes through September 1st. And then last year lastly Pat can you give a quick update on that action process that you guys discussed? >> Yes. So I think we could

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find a we talked about rent police self-defense sort of a balance between increased security and accountability to owners versus discouraging or putting them together.

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Um the middle ground is that we will maintain the minimum that our general requires for training videos. However, bouncers, coaches, anybody involved with rent will be doing a total of 11 hours to be registered with that training through the mouse and their certification. That information also

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goes to the police department. So that liability is standing that's an agreement for the mail. Um it should be going out very soon. And then starting in 2017 but I'm encouraging as early as possible and one at a time can be obtained for everyone

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involved. Uh it's critical for them to also be tested and ready all the players through their timelines to get their training and fingerprints done earlier so that everybody who is getting this here all these apartments where the program

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starts. There's also some additional training that we're going to encourage but not necessarily require for the kids. For Rutgers, and essentially the biggest change will be fingerprinting our participants and earlier on I don't know what happened.

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And then of course starting immediately is verification. That you've actually completed it. And that's what I was saying. Say it again. So all of that will be pushed out. We're going to start advertising and

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applications now so we're prepared. Um you talked a little bit about where you're going to get those fingerprints done. You can do um the fingerprinting session locally. Okay. So

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we'll put that information out as possible so that they don't have to wait until soccer or whatever other program starts. They can do it now. And to be clear, we were and are in compliance with regulations. As with children's safety, getting your background checks done is

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something that we put on to enhance the safety of children. I just want to wish you a happy birthday boys and girls on your special day and happy birthday. Thank you. I appreciate it. And No, I didn't. Okay. So we're now going to

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go to executive session. So everybody online? Do we have a motion? I make a motion to go into closed for executive session. Thanks everybody. >> Thanks everybody.