Oh, I love it when it gets quiet. I can hear them. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. How are you today? Welcome to the regularly scheduled meeting of the city of Coral Gables Historic Preservation Board. Uh,
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false claim ordinance chapter 39 of the city code. I now officially call the city of Coral Gables historic preservation board meeting of what is the today's what is today the 12th of February 12th at um let's see 4:05
p.m. Present today are to my left Miss Shield Miss Everard Mr. Selva, Miss D. And to my right, um, at the end, Miss Alvarez, Miss Rolando, and Mr. Garcia Ponds. We have two members missing today
who are excused that are ill. Okay, let's see. And we have distinguished members in our audience because all of our community members are distinguished. Um, okay. Approval of the minutes. I'd like to make a mo a motion to approve
the minutes of December 18th and January 15th. There were a couple of scriveners errors on each of them which have been corrected. >> Okay, we have a motion by Mr. Garcia and a second by Miss D. Further discussion. If none, please call
the role. Yes. >> Yes. Mr. Maxwell, >> Mike. Yes. Okay. Motion passes. Okay.
Uh please be advised that this board is a quasi judicial board and the items on the agenda are quasi judicial in nature which requires board members to disclose all exparte communications. An exparte communication is defined as any contact communication, conversation,
correspondence, memorandum, or other written or verbal communication that takes place outside a public hearing between a member of the public and a member of the Quasi Judicial Board regarding matters to be heard by the Quasi Judicial Board. If anyone has made any contact with a board member when the
issue comes before the board, the member must state on the record the existence of the exparte communication, the party who originated the communication and whether the communication will affect the board member's ability to impartially consider the evidence to be presented. Okay. Are there any
deferrals? No, there are no deferrals, but I do have one request to change the order of the agenda um in order to hear the discussion item regarding the um historic marker first. >> Yes. Let's let's would change the agenda
to make that first. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay. Okay. Uh we're going to swear in now if any persons in the audience will be testifying today. In other words, if you're going to be talking to us, you need to to to um to be sworn in. So,
please rise and um be sworn in. >> Thank you. Okay, we're going to open the public hearing now. Presentation by staff, please. >> So, we have an application
of >> um a request from the Manley family to place a state of Florida historic marker for Mary Manley at the University of Miami. Um the board as per the code is required to review and approve the markers text. Um Caroline
she will be making a presentation. >> I'm on. >> All right. Are you able to share your screen? Perfect. You have >> I am if you'll give me one minute. >> Okay. Perfect. Thank you very much.
>> I can put up the Give me a second and tell me if you can see it. >> Can you see that? >> Yes, it is in presenter mode. So, I don't know if you want to change the to the bigger um viewing option.
>> Let me see. I thought I got out of that. Put it on slide version. Tell me if that's better. >> Yes, perfect. >> Okay. Well, thank you. Um, first of all, thank you very much for this
opportunity. My name is Carolyn Robins Manley and Marian Manley uh was my husband's great aunt. It was his paternal grandfather's sister.
Um I apologize. I am a little under the weather like so many people. And my son Ben Manley is actually on the call as well. He's on the Zoom and if I have a coughing fit, he's by backup Manley and he will finish the presentation. But hopefully I'll get through it. Um so
good afternoon and again thank you for the opportunity um to address you. I'm here to discuss the application and approval for an historical marker for Marian Manley. She was a pioneering architect whose work played a significant role in shaping
Miami's architectural and cultural history. And as Miamiy's first licensed female architect, she helped define an early form of tropical modernism, designing buildings that responded thoughtfully to South Florida's climate,
landscape, and community needs. Manley's contributions were innovative, enduring, and influential. She designed much of the University of Miami in addition to schools, civic buildings, and residences, many of which
remain in use today. They are a testament to the lasting value of her work. An historical marker honoring Marian Manley would correct a notable gap in the public record and ensure that her contributions are properly
recognized as part of Miami's heritage. Their pres this presentation will briefly explain why her life and work meet the need for this historical designation and why such recognition is both appropriate and overdue. We will
also include and have included in the application for the uh it is the application for the marker. You all got it ahead of time. I don't we we can talk about whether we need to review the whole thing here but it is the application which will be submitted to the state of Florida and ultimately
hopefully approved and then fabricated by them. Okay, let me go to the next slide. So, for anybody, I mean, I know you probably are all familiar, but for anyone that's not familiar with uh what
a historical marker looks like, we just included this in the slideshow. Um, it will look just like this. This is one for the Coral Gables Women's Club. This is for a place. Many of the markers are for locations and buildings. Of course,
this one would be for a person. So you can see it it how it it's installed pretty easily with a concrete slab like a fence post or a mailbox. Um and we're in communication with the University of Miami and how that will be appropriately
done. Um moving ahead to where the marker is proposed to go. Um again working with the University of Miami.
Uh it is proposed to go at 1300 Campos Sano. That is the University of Miami's first administrative building which was built by Marian Manley. It's been designated as a historical site which you may know um for anybody who doesn't
know. So this really is the we thought the most appropriate place to put the marker in the picture. You can see just to the right of the steps, the entrance, there's like a planter area. That's where our first choice is. Anywhere near
the front would make the most sense or by the the walkway. So, um that's where that'll go. Okay. Um here is the application.
Uh, I don't know if you really want me to walk through the whole application. This is one that goes to the state of Florida. Um, I didn't feel I needed to. I just wanted to let you know we're on top of it. And as soon as we finish this presentation with you and we get
approval for the text, we wanted to make sure you were okay with what it said. Um, we're going to submit this application to the state of Florida. But as you can just in general see it's the in generally see you talk about with
them what the resources and in this case the resource is a person um the only thing I wanted to add other than I'm going to go over the text with you is in addition to who she was and her her resume and her bio she was a a
roommate and close friend of Marjorie Stoman Douglas. In addition, she designed and some of the buildings we'll talk about in a minute about what she designed at the University of Miami. She designed Miami's US Post Office, which turned into the federal building, many
local schools and buildings, and numerous small Spanish style houses. Among Manley's many honors, awards, and positions, she was presented the president of South Florida's chapter of American Institute of Architects,
vice president of Florida's association, and a fellow member. Now, I'm going to cough, so Ben may take over. >> Hello. I'll take over. Unfortunately, she's sick, so we're both here. Um yeah,
as you can see in the in the bottom here of the significance of the resource that she has a long list of um of accolades that my mother was talking about. She was the president of the South Florida chapter of the American Institute of Architects, vice president of the Florida Association Association of Architects, a fellow and member at
Morettes of the American Institute of Architects, and uh two years ago was inducted into the Hall of Fame for the Miami chapter. Um yes, and excuse me. >> Yes. much of her work that that that remains visible is in the University of Miami, which is why it was it felt
appropriate to um give her an honor there. Um and then the university is is again like my mom said well aware and has is has worked with us and and wants this. >> Um yeah, why don't we go to the uh
proposed text like the specific text? Um, I think I we also added it on a slide after all of this. Yeah. So, it's more easily readable. Um, so this is the text that would show up that that would be put on the marker. Um, and this has been already approved by the University
of Miami. Um, and so we'd be looking for approval from you. Um, and in in looking for the permit permitting for the placement of the marker. Um uh and yeah, this is um this is the contact at the
University of Miami um who would deal with the actual logistics around the marker. Um in case anyone was looking for the contact um yeah uh I will I will briefly I'll just
read this uh marker text in case anyone hasn't gone through it yet. Uh, I think it was the presentation was provided earlier, but um, Florida's second licensed female architect and a pioneer of modern design, Marian Manley helped shape the University of Miami's post-war campus and the architectural identity of
South Florida. She was an advocate of sustainable architecture long before it was fashionable. A 1917 graduate of the University of Illinois, Manley worked in Miami for more than 50 years, designing homes, schools, and civic buildings that blended functionality with sensitivity to climate and landscape, many of which
still stand today in the city of Coral Gables. In the 1940s, she collab collaborated with Robert Law Weed on the university's master plan, creating open light-filled buildings that reflected the ideals of modernism adapted for the tropics. These structures include the
original student union, St. Chapel, the Ring Theater, the first administration building at 1300 Campo Saneno, and four original school of architecture buildings that were part of a compound built to house the returning veterans of World War II. Her leadership and vision advanced the role of women in
architecture and left a lasting mark on Florida's environment. Yeah. Um, this is for reference for anyone, not to be discussed right now, but the we actually made a documentary about her. I I made it a few years ago and our family just all came together
and made it and um so if anyone wants to look at this at any point after this we just included in the slideshow so that everyone would have that resource. >> Thank you both so much. >> Um I don't know if the board has any questions or comments. I did want to let
you know that we did receive a letter of support from Carellia Carbanell on behalf of the HPACG. Um, and if you have any questions, let me know. >> Yes. And we have a representative here from the university as well. Do you have
any questions for them? >> You mean talk into this? >> Board member Ed. >> Yeah. I just have one question. Um, I've been to that chapel on the campus. Is it called St. Bead? I thought it was the venerable
It's the venerable be. >> Okay. Well, they say be, >> you know, >> we can we can fact check it. We asked the University of Miami. They actually reviewed the text first and they were okay with St. B, but we can fact check
it and we can adjust that as necessary. >> No, I I think the wording is wonderful. That's that's my only question. Are there any other questions for Okay, we've got >> one other question. Who was the first licensed female architect?
>> That's that's the first thing that comes to my mind. Curiosity. >> Yeah. There you go. >> I just want to share uh with Carolyn that I've lived for many years next to a home um designed by Marian Manley and
I'm so appreciative of her early work and what a pioneer she's been um as an architect for our community. Thank you, Carolyn. >> Oh, you're very welcome. And we are we we had a presentation. Well, Ben can talk about it just briefly. Um where we
we shared the documentary actually was it books and books. We had a screening and um so many people came out and ex and shared with us their story of knowing Marian Manley and homes that they lived in. It's actually been
featured some of her homes have been featured in historical walks. one of them's in morning side but thank you for saying that I really appreciate that >> board so there's just a comment the text
provided in the um uh the attachments that says manly text has some punctuation errors that are not present in either the presentation or the application. So, if we approve,
we'll approve the application one, not the text one. >> And I would second um >> well, I mean, well, just miss Miss Eert's comment to please check for the proper naming of >> punctuation. That's I saw that to student union.
>> It's correct in all the other stuff. >> Yeah. >> Determine the um post death status of venable. Has venable bead been canonized? >> You mean designated? >> No.
>> If it's venable versus saint. >> Yeah. >> It's saint beat if he's been canonized. Otherwise, venable. >> We shall confirm. >> All right. Any other questions? All right. We need a motion on this. We do
have a public comment if you're willing to take it as a discussion item. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Mr. Chair, in the meantime, just so you know, Wikipedia says Agnes Ballard was the first female registered architect in Florida. Agnes Ballard.
>> Thank you. >> Hi there everyone. This is Kelia on behalf of the Historic Preservation Association. I just want to lend uh I know that um Anna Peris um mentioned that we did submit a letter of support and I really
have we our organization have been uh really following the Marian Manley story for many years and we actually had an event with the the the filmmaker and his family. um at St. Deeds and uh you know
it was wonderful and then of course he they've gone on to do other things. So, this is so welld deserved. Um, she obviously, you know, definitely um one to have a marker. And I I just want to add since we're kind of talking about
certain things in the text, I did reach out to Carolyn um it it mentions um Robert Lawed but not not Robert Murray Little and all
three of them basically created the University of Miami there, the modern campus. >> And so I don't you know for me I think if it would be nice and it would be appropriate to add Robert Little uh to
the text because they even collaborated in um or corroborated in the low art museum um you know and of course all these other projects. So, you know, I know that Weed was her partner in in her
firm, but um but they all three created, you know, the the the university's plan, master plan. So, anyway, that that would be my suggestion. And if if the text can bear it and the words can bear it, um
you know, it it may not be a bad idea. As far as saying we that's how the University of Miami has it listed. >> That's correct. you know I >> right >> I was just saying that that is correct that it is Saint be
>> okay yeah so that's that's what they're you know that's how it's referred to and so but anyway just that that would be our you know suggestion and I would really uh appreciate if uh you know if everybody considers that but anyway again congratulations on the you know
the Manley Manley family and thank you for always being so uh proactive and you know for her you know to to really recognize her memory. So thank you. >> Thank you. We appreciate your support as well. And yes, we will note all of your comments. That's why we wanted to do
this and run it past you to make sure everyone is okay with the way it reads. Um the grammar may have switched. I don't know when it got saved from slideshow to PDF, but it will be correct on the application. >> Thank you. Is there other public comment or
against? >> No. Um, one more thing that you all may want to consider, can consider is um, funding the point to include some funding for the marker from the preservation fund that we have available to do things like this. >> Would you like to make a suggestion?
>> What's the suggestion? I'm asking you all if you want to make a suggestion. >> It's your fund. >> We don't know what >> I think the fund has been used in a very long time. I think we're at about 26,564 something along those lines. The markers run between
three and five maybe depending on where double text, multiple texts, small, big, however. >> So, so we could contribute as long as they make the punctuation correctly. >> Yeah, we could do that. >> I think it would be appropriate.
>> That would require a motion from the board. Okay. for if this is something that you'd like to do, please make a motion on that so that we could move to authorize some funds. Is this the appropriate time to do that, Madam Attorney? >> Certainly. A motion to approve the um
placement of the placard and any um funding would be >> Okay. Can we have a motion, please? >> I'd be privileged to make that motion. >> Okay, Mr. J. >> I'd like to move uh to make a motion to approve the marker and funding for the installation.
Miss Jun, do you have a particular amount in mind or is that at staff's discretion? >> I think it should be at staff's discretion. So, I will say at staff's discretion. Thank you. >> Do we have a second? >> Second.
>> Second by Miss Shield. >> Please, Mr. Garcia. >> The text as presented by the applicant or including the reference to Mr. Little. How should that How should that be handled?
>> We can work. >> I was going to say this was round one. That's that's why we were having this. We would be happy to resubmit the text to you for your approval and then as soon as everybody's on board with everything, uh then we will add it to
the application submit. So we won't submit the application to the state until we get the thumbs up from you. >> Yeah. at the the the final application will be reviewed by staff so we can make that that change or include that um that reference as well. >> Okay.
>> So then the motion's fine as stands then and staff will work on the final language >> to add that um to work with the applicant on any reference to Robert Little. >> Okay. >> Can you add that to my motion or would you like me to repeat it again? >> I understand it to approve to work with staff staff to work on the final
language um reference to Mr. Little and fund um an amount at staff discretion. Exactly. All right. Do I have a second? Oh, I got Miss Shield. Okay, so we're good. Anything else? All right. Would you call the role, please? >> Miss Alvarez? >> Yes.
>> Mr. Silva? >> Yes. >> Mr. Garcia Pon? >> Yes. >> Miss Rando? >> Yes. >> Miss Everett? >> Yes. >> Miss Shield?
>> Yes. Mr. N. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Maxwell. >> Yes. >> Thank you very much. We'll be in touch. Um Carolyn, thank you again for the presentation and information.
>> Thank you very much. We really appreciate it. >> Thank you very much. This is really very very interesting, Miss Manley. And uh we apprec sincerely appreciate your efforts in this matter and um you know the honoring of your grandmother. who's a great architect. Thank you.
Okay, we're going to move on to the next one. We're special certificates of appropriateness, I think, is where we are next, uh, if I'm not mistaken. And we're case file COA SP 2025001
application for the issuance of a special certificate of appropriateness for the property at 1341 Abyispo Avenue contributing resource within the Abyispo Avenue Historic District. Legally described as lot 31 block 18 Coral Gable section E uh
platbook 8 page 13 Miami Dade County. The application requests design approval for additions and alterations and site work. A variance has also been requested from section 10- 103B4 of the Coral Gables code for a minimum
driveway and paving setback. Presentation, please. >> Yes. >> Can we have the PowerPoint? Oh, there we go. Thank you. All right. So, the home at 1341 Obispo Avenue is a contributing resource in the
district. Um, original permit drawings for the home have not been located to date, but the mission revival style home was designed circa 1922 or 1923. Um, there have been no additions made to the home at this time, but on some minor alterations um to the property in the
last century. The application requests an approximately 670 foot one-story addition to the rear of the main residence and a two-story detached auxiliary structure at the northwest corner of the property. A onecar garage is going to be located at the ground
floor and a request for a variance for this um driveway setback has been included within your application. Um staff has worked closely with the applicant on the on the scope of work. There are some conditions that have been listed here that I believe the architect has reviewed and has confirmed is
they're okay with. Um and at the end staff is recommending approval for the certificate of appropriateness and the approval of the um variance as requested. or there. >> Hi everyone. I'm Laticia Karimian. I'm
the architect in this project. I'm working with this campus, the owner of the propert. Okay. Thank you. >> Oh, so as Miss Berna said, this is a 1923 historic house.
Um, some work has been already approved and done. The stuck the texture stuckle has been repaired. The windows have been replaced. But right now, it's a twobedroom house and we would like to do an attached
addition in the back to do a master bedroom area and a little family room and complying with zoning do a detached garage in the back with a exercise room in the second floor. The existing house has some steps on the side to access the
kitchen and that limits us the driveway space. So that's why we are requesting the the permission to make this the driveway 18 in from the lateral setback. Um
so there it's a little bit small. So let me go to the back where I did I put it really big to see if you guys can see better. This is the permit side. So you see there is a lot of information not
relevant right now. So here you can see the the historic building in the front and in the back we did a simple balanced. We don't want to compete with the historic building. We just want to do the addition with smooth white
stuckco in the back different from the textured stuckco. And there you can see the front is the existing house. And then you see the attached 730 square ft uh in the back for the master bedroom area. And then in
the rear the two floor detached addition with 358 square ft in the ground floor and almost 300 square ft in the second floor. And here you can see the whole site plan. Um the driveway in the front where
we were talking about the limited space. The addition with a open pergola terrace in the back and the two floors addition right in the rear. Let me know if you have any questions. Yes. Let me go to the elevations.
So this is the front. Um looking at the the the addition to floor in the back only the attached addition the the two floor addition the rear elevation
and let me know when you're ready. I can and this is the the sides elevation. >> Mr. Maxwell, I have a question. >> Please, Mr. Garcia. >> So, um, Miss Benos mentioned that you have reviewed their comments and um, you
agree to them. Is that correct? The staff conditions, >> these conditions that were sent to the report, those you want to go through? If not, we can go through them. It's mainly the window.
It's mainly suggest >> because we did the The recommendations of the BOA are already out there. >> Okay, >> these are these are because this has been approved by board of architects and that's why we started the per
Carol was working on this one unfortunately have >> just making these windows at the >> I these windows a little bit more vertical to match the others. they are. I don't know why. >> So, there's a drawing error here. So, I think the changes had already been
implemented, but since we weren't sure, Cara had made the comment in here, but we'll continue to work with them. Again, it's just within the the layout. It wouldn't change anything else. >> The only one that is not is the one that is in the bathroom there in the corner >> because it's a bathroom and the
>> And the ones referenced in this are the ones toward the >> Okay. So, those that's showing. Yeah. >> Yeah. So I think it's just a a drawing error. >> Yeah. >> But >> you see all of them are are I don't know why it's showing like that. Yeah. >> So we should they should be fine meeting
the the conditions. >> Let let them tell us fine. >> We are fine. >> Miss has been always super kind helping us throughout the whole path. So I'll I'll count on our on her view there also. >> Thank you. So for the record, you accept
those conditions. Thank you, Miss Rolando. >> Yes. I I have a question about the discrepancy between the staff recommendations and what appears to be the existing
conditions. Um at least the photographs in the staff report show that uh the windows in the main home are already installed. So my question is
um do the existing installed windows have highprofile muttons and are they clear? Is the glass clear? >> Yes. So the the original project was just to renovate the main residence
existing house. So they went through a window permit application and they were we worked diligently with them to make sure. So the windows that are there now on the property are the correct windows. Okay. So, all the recommendations here apply only to
>> any new windows to be installed. >> The new the addition and the new building >> because that's not clear from the staff conclusions and report. >> Well, the the approval is only for those two sections. The main house isn't being
touched within this application. >> Well, >> so I mean just the addition part at the rear. So, your application before you today is for the rear edition and for the twotory detached structure. >> Only the addition shown on the plan. >> Yes.
>> Not nothing with the uh existing conditions on the house. >> Correct. >> Okay. That's not clear. Thank you, >> Mr. Silver. I I saw the the plan showed it as
existing all the windows. I I had a question on the pattern, but looking through the package, but that's just the historical month pattern, which is odd for a house of this period, but they did a good job of
matching it. >> My only other comment was in terms of the variance. So, they're asking for variance for the setback on the driveway. I believe they comply with all the conditions, right? This this house is a garage in order to bring it into
compliance. We're building a garage. The garage itself is complying with a set back to the rear. >> But the only way to access it is in this space. >> Miss Shield, did you have a question? >> Miss Alvarez. >> Um, so I agree with the um stop
comments. I just I just want to emphasize the attention I think that needs to be done to the windows because I think there it's out of character with the house like the more square and squatty windows. >> Um but also I didn't see that highlighted in the staff comments but
there's still a north elevation showing no windows. Um which I think um I don't know usually that's very that's discouraged strongly in the board of architects um in general. because the bathroom is back there. So,
we didn't put any windows there >> this year. >> Yeah. And it's very close to the >> the north elevation. >> Yeah. The north elevation. >> Um the I think the BOA and because it's situation so close to the property line,
they didn't want any windows back there. Usually, we would say to put something, but it wasn't it didn't come up in their comments. >> Not even like a high window. Their BOA comments are included in the in the package and there was no request for that.
>> Sorry, this went to the BOA when I was out on maternity, so I wasn't at the meeting. >> I just think a blank facade, a tall twotory blank facade on the neighbor's side is going to be um and the
so there in the recommendations for the windows, there was no suggestion to add mountains. I know it should be different. in the house. But >> no, there wasn't. >> Um, >> yeah. I don't know. I would suggest mountains.
Um, there's a there seems to be a horizontal line on the on the front elevation on sheet 4.1, which I'm assuming is just an error, but I don't know. I think that should be corrected
>> that it's all like a flush facade, but there's that horizontal line close to the parapited >> that that's not a represent that doesn't represent what's really there. It implies that there's a step in the facade.
>> Oh, I think it's the it's the it might be the measuring which >> I don't think so. >> Yeah. Yeah, you can see it right there in the upper left. Come down. Come down. Come down.
>> There. >> No, no, just >> down below. Below >> the horizontal straight >> right there. >> There. >> It does have a little recess the elevation. >> So, a little Yeah, there's like Exactly.
Would you would you go back to that previous slide, please? >> Thank you. >> Wow. Can't really see it there, >> but it doesn't matter. >> And now that the addition now that the main house is receiving an addition um
it is it appropriate I guess the question for staff for the windows to match the um existing house. Right now, the rear elevation facing north of the addition is showing the um the windows that are in the main house
with the mountains that are kind of scooted to the to the edges and the doors too. >> I mean, usually we want them to be differentiated. >> Um and since it's a rear elevation, I think the board has shown flexibility
with matching, not matching, doing more contemporary. So, I think since we're already doing it at the garage, it's the preference of what you want. I don't think it's appropriate for the door to the
I don't know. I just think the gates um I think everything needs like another pass to make it a little more residential. It looks a little more industrial, the gates and I guess the lack of mountains. I think it's and I'm okay with the um bearings.
>> Were you waiting for response or Oh, no, no, those are my comments. >> Mr. Garcia, >> um the I I think the the staff comments do mention the proportion of the windows. I don't think they need, in my opinion, additional muttons. I think if
the windows to the to the addition are proportionally equivalent to the main house, I think that would be enough of a separation including the north elevation. What Miss Alvarez is mentioning is the muttons on the back elevation. If the back elevation and the
auxiliary building were the same proportions of the main without the muttons, I think that would be an appropriate um differentiation that would meet both staff and Miss Alvarez's comments. >> And that's my comment to the board. >> Yeah,
anything else? >> Any other comments board? Okay, attorney. Do we need two motions or can we wrap this up into one? You can wrap it up into one assuming that um the motion is for approval of the variance as well as the design proposal and certificate of appropriateness. If it's
to not approve the variance, it they can't go together. >> Exactly. Okay. >> Okay. Do >> I have a motion? >> I'm happy to make the motion. >> We just have to check if there's public comment. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. >> Is there any public comment or against
this? Is there anyone online >> hearing? None. Public hearing is closed. >> Um I'd like to make a motion to approve with the staff conditions um with specific condition
reference to condition number seven that the new windows proportionally match the existing um but do not have the existing homes pattern. We >> do not have to have
>> do not have to have do not have to have Um the design proposal for the additional alterations to the residence and site work on the property located at 1341 Aiscoco Abyspo Avenue and approve the issuance of a special
certificate of appropriateness with the conditions as stated previously and a motion to approve the variance to allow the new driveway and pave patio to have 1 foot 6 in setback versus the required minimum setback from all property lines and single family residential districts.
Period. >> Thank you. >> All right, we have a motion, ladies and gentlemen. Can I have a second, please? >> Mr. Silva seconded. Okay. Any further comment board or call or call the role? If hearing none, please call the role.
>> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Motion passes. Um unanimously.
Thank you folks very much. You have a gorgeous home and it's amazing that it wasn't reworked previously. >> Thank you. Nice to meet you. >> Also very rare that a home this early wasn't Coral Rock. That's >> true. Welcome. >> Thank you very much.
>> I didn't hear anything of what you said. I'm 90 years old. >> Keep going. >> All right, ladies and gentlemen. Um, we have no other items on the on the board agenda. Uh, but we have old business,
new business, city commission items, and discussion items. staff. Do we have any old business that we need to discuss? >> Um the one item that we did have um that had brought up last meeting but the city attorney was not a was not here was the
discussion on um presentation protocols. >> Okay. >> Yeah, >> Mr. Chair, I'm happy to um make a a brief comment about that if with your approval. >> Yes, please. >> So, um Mr. Mr. Maxwell has provided me with a list of some um areas that he
would like us to work on and um a lot of them are already addressed in certain code provisions. And so what with your permission I will um send you all the relevant code provisions, rules of procedure, um rules of decorum, the things that we have in our code that address many of those topics already and
send them to you in advance um noting which of these um topics they relate to so that we can have a full discussion next time. As you all may know, and some of you I know were um watching the commission meeting on Tuesday, um setting time limits at the sort of trial level like we are here at the historic
preservation board can often be um brought up as problematic later. Whether or not it is is a different story, but one thing we want to note is that if an applicant is telling you that they need additional time to get all their points across, it's appropriate to give them that additional time to make a full
presentation. that in no way limits this board and the chair's ability to ask people to stop repeating themselves, to not make duplicative comments, to um limit extraneous conversations that don't have to do with the topic at hand. If you're asking a question about A, it
shouldn't be a presentation about A, B, and C, for instance. So, that is perfectly appropriate for mo mostly it's the chair or the vice chair, whoever is chairing the meeting. Um but we shouldn't as best practice and we looked around based on the um request that was
made a few months ago. Most boards similar to this do not at this level have time limits on presentations in the same way that we had been discussing them. When we go to the city commission at an in an appellet posture it's limited to the record below. So the
presentations are generally a much briefer because it's based on the much longer transcript below. And as you guys are that um initial board who hears and and you're a final board, we um our advice would be to not limit time ahead of time, but rather use our existing
rules and regulations and procedures to when a when a a hearing goes on a long time to ask an applicant to wrap it up to um perhaps shortened comments. If we have public comment that's duplicative, you can always ask, you know, to if you don't have anything new to add, just
state your position for or against. Those are all perfectly appropriate to do. So, what I will do based on this list that I was provided by Mr. Maxwell, and I'm happy to go over it or hear from you if there's something else. Um, present you what sections of our code, zoning code, and city code already address those sort of rules of
procedure. And so, we can all have them. I'm happy to talk them through with you all in another workshop or after the end of a meeting or just meet with the chair and vice chair, whatever you all direct. Um but I do think we have in place um a lot of guard rails um already that can
help manage the flow of meetings. Madam Attorney, I think it would be appropriate also if you could provide some language, you know, where to guide the board to say about, you know, when an applicant comes before about well, what should we be saying? In
other words, about how you should be concise and limiting everything and how do we get that to them in advance or do we and because as what we talked about last time, you know, people coming prepared >> of course and I know we've had some
specific requests as you mentioned the elevations before and after that there are some um exact things that you all would like to see in those presentations so we can work on those um COA applications um more carefully with staff to make sure that information gets
to you all in the packet. I know that's one thing we can do. You know, it's hard to um it's hard to regulate people's presentations and what may be concise to you may not be concise to somebody else, but yes, certainly we can work on making sure that um the orders of business, the
orders of procedure, you know, when we take public comment, when it's time for questions, we can make sure that that's very clear to applicants. And I'm happy to provide you all with um language or scripts that may be useful in sort of redirecting conversations. Happy to do that. >> Thank you. That would be wonderful. I
think that would be very helpful going forward. And anything that we can that we can do to codify in advance of presentations to where people know that this this has to be that way so that they're on notice. I think that that's very important and I understand your position as of last Tuesday, which
changed quite a bit from last month, but you know, here we are. No, I it is not inappropriate to set time limits, but it's inappropriate to prohibit further discussion when it's clear that further discussion is needed. And that's um
that's a little bit where we don't know, right? Sometimes we can have a very quick presentation and sometimes you'll fill your presentation to the time allotted when really you need five minutes, but if you're given 30, maybe you make a 30 minute presentation. Um so we don't want to encourage that either,
but um we're happy to happy to work on that. And some of just so you all know some of the requests had to do with the order of business on the agenda. We have um the city code sets forth order of business sort of generally in agendas, but you all can always direct um at an
individual meeting as we did today to hear things out of order. The chair controls the order of business or we by a motion majority of the board you can hear things out of turn. Um I know we've been given the direction to make sure that city projects or larger projects
are maybe heard later. Um so again as always if there's something on the agenda in an order that um the board or the chair doesn't prefer you all can always as a board direct to hear things um in a different order. So again happy to take any specific
questions. I will send all that information around and perhaps that will be um helpful to guide a discussion at our next meeting if needed. >> Thank you very much. Yes, Mr. >> Sorry, I I do have a question. So, is there anything in writing currently online that talks about um proper
procedures for quas judicial proceedings? >> Yes, we already have that. >> Our zoning code and city code both have provisions on the order of business. So, it's the you'll notice um Miss Paris gives a brief introduction. It's the applicant's presentation that always comes first. then it's staff, then it's public comment. So, yeah, there is an
order of procedure for quasi judicial items both in the city code and zoning code. >> Got it. I've noticed another city that did a really great job of having um online sort of a guideline for residents also when they're attending quasi
judicial hearings, historic preservation particularly. So, I had an idea that perhaps we could do something similar and place it online in the historic preservation area. >> If you want to send it to me, I'd be happy to review it and and see if it's something appropriate. >> Okay. And I actually have a little brief
draft I was working on. So, maybe we could just talk about it. >> Sure. Of course. >> And I and I think it'd be great if if you could meet with the chair and the vice chair and just give us some tips. Of course. Happy to do that. >> We have really good attorneys on the board in addition to yourself. >> We do. We we've got a stacked board
here. >> Yeah, we've got a good board. So, well, thank you very much. That's excellent work. All right, board. Anything else that we have here under that that particular aspect? Any further discussion or just want to wait until next month? >> When I read through the
about Mary and Manley, it made me think, do you know the name? We lived in in >> I'm sorry. Can you use the microphone? It's very hard to hear. I'm sorry. >> Yes. We lived in uh Connecticut for a
couple years right around Hartford and um I became aware of a house called the Hillstead. >> Yeah. And um it's just this be if you're ever in that area. Uh Theodate Pope was a self she's considered to be really one
of the first self-taught architects in the country. And to give you a time frame, she's very famous because she was she survived being on the Lucatania. >> Yeah. when the Lucatania went down in what I don't know 19
>> my grandmother used to say I was the about the Lucatania anyways um but uh it's a beautiful home and and she and her parents were from um >> Cleveland Ohio and he was an industrialist and fell in love with uh
uh impressionist paintings in the house in the living room are two Mones I mean you're that far from those paintings and dear and they're all throughout the house. >> So, it's called the Hillstead. So, Farmington, Connecticut.
>> Thank you. Okay. Other Is there any new business to be brought before the board, ladies and gentlemen? Don't see any any city commission items that need to be addressed. Okay. Any further discussion items? Okay. I'd like to have one. Uh, I'd like the staff to
approach um it the the bead or whoever owns the bead. I don't know if it's the university or if it's the Episcopal Dascese uh about a designation. And is the ring Theater already designated? Do you do you know?
>> Believe it is. >> Okay. Would you check on that please and and just give us some advice? You know, it would be very good to, you know, wrap some of these things up at the university here. Um, the bead, by the way, if you haven't been, do go. It's an
exceptional building. It's small, it's intimate, and it's exceptional. And it was built for nothing. I mean, it's low cost. It's evident, but it's beautiful. And it and it's really a wonderful spiritual place. The Ring Theater, too, is really good. And then there's the
Gusman Theater. Does the Gusman Theater qualify as since it's a Morris Lapidus and and is it and is and is it on our designation as well for university properties because we've got the two theaters over there.
>> I don't think so. >> I think it may be, but if it's not, we we should look at kind of wrapping up what's going on over at the university as much as we can because I understand that the university is pitching the city to become autonomous. And so, we've already seen that that
they're taking down Mr. little's uh beautiful you know ladies women's apartment dormatories and so you know these are some of the the best buildings remaining and um I think it would be important to look at their designation Mr. Garcia,
>> Miss Bennis, could you provide us with a list of the buildings that are historically designated on the campus? >> Yes, >> they can. >> Thank you. Yeah, but then we can look at at some of those things and I think it's impungent upon the board too to bring items to, you know, to the staff, you
know, that are very important and um and mean anything that that we think that can go on. There's a lot of stuff that's happening. Uh just one quick question to you, uh Miss Turnis. Uh we finished the north uh gable study. >> It is still in process but we are nearly
there. They we just had a meeting I think at our last board I told you we had a meeting with them coming up the following week um where we started going over some of the properties to identify styles and types that we want to recognize there that are a little bit different than the rest of >> Coral Gables because of the mix. >> Can we do a presentation on that?
>> Yeah, we will have one once they're ready to come to to the board. >> Are there any other studies that are planned >> as of right now? No. >> Okay. Are there studies that that we should be encouraging the city commission to fund? >> Right now, we actually have um we have
something that Cara and Elizabeth have been working on a while to kind of clean up because we do have Coral Gable's cottages that exist that are not designated yet, but they were because the pre the code didn't previously require them to be designated. So, we do have a handful of buildings that need to
be designated kind of as a multiple property to clean up that cottage designate that cottage criteria list. So, we're working on that, too. Um, another thing that came up at, it's it's a city commission item, but not really at the same time, but it was just um vice mayor requesting staff to kind of
do a push for an intern a college or university intern to maybe see if we could get some college credit kind of tied into them and have someone that's going to be a little bit more dedicated than your usual. >> Yeah, you guys could use some staff. >> So, we're working on a couple things in house that
>> Okay. And now the budget season's coming up, so we'll be going through all those meetings to see what we can and can't ask for, what we should or shouldn't be asking for. >> Going forward, we need to look at two things. Uh, in addition to kind of where we are and and part of it is really education. You know, I've talked to
commission members particularly about, you know, what I call what are what we call contributing features and you know, the perception is that what's historic here is from the 20s and that's it period. So that needs to change in in in
a way because we have these gorgeous 30s, you know, all 10 of them, you know, I mean there's very few of those in the 40s, you know, we begin to really shift and we more into ubiquity in the 50s because, you know, we're just throwing up houses because everybody's coming
home, having kids, and it's like, I'm tired of the war. I'm going to have a family and go have a career. But we need to find these really good, you know, 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s because they're now 50 years old as well, moving on to, you know, into the 70s and and begin to
to get this. Also, we need to have a clearer view. So particularly for politician what is a contributing structure and why is it contributing because you know buildings are about the time that they are constructed and built
and so I don't think that there's an understanding of that and particularly when talking to some of the commissioners. So if you have the opportunity do do your bit for education if we can. It's really important and because I can tell you that that there's
not an understanding and without that I think that we're going to have continued issues about this. These are just observations and discussions and if any of you want to carry on this I'm happy to do this after the meeting with you.
Um so we we could deal with that or at any other time. Do we have anything else? >> Nope. That was it. >> Okay. Is there anything else from any of my colleagues hearing? None. Uh, I'd like a motion for adjournment, please.
>> So, move. >> We're out here at 506.