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um modern um appliances as you will. Um so I wanted to invite up um Mr. and Mrs. Davvern um if you guys have a moment just to chat with us. Um >> yeah, so um we have some copies for you guys and I know you didn't have a chance

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to review this ahead of time. Um, but where we um got a little um I guess um tripped up was that when I I did a driveby, which um you know we all kind of do sometimes when we have

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applications and um there's two very large air conditioning units um that are very visible from Main Street, North Main. And what we're trying to figure out is how to go about this in a way that works best works with the

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homeowners constrictions um and also adheres to our streetscape guidelines. So um did you guys want to give us just a quick overview of some of the challenges? Yeah, >> I think this might be the first application. >> It's just the right button.

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>> Yeah, perfect. >> Yeah. So this might be the first time someone's come before where there was an approval, but the um statement that came with the approval was what prompted me to come here. So yeah, so this is one Kman road. It's the old updike farm and

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we've restored it. I'm very familiar with the standards and guidelines. We've restored windows and shutters and porches and everything to all those guidelines. And so these two um units, it's really just one unit because the the first one uh they're both very

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small. They're as minimal as they can be. They're about 2 feet up, 2 feet wide, something about that. The uh standard condenser, the first one, that one was approved. But then when we applied for the mini split, which is a single mini split, it triggered the

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triggered the application. So, we submitted it and described what we wanted to do, which was to um add a little bit more landscaping, a dwarf Alberta spruce between it and the street. And as the pictures show, there's already a lot of buffer from

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them to the street to Main Street. And they can't be seen at all from Cranberry Neck Road because they're on the side lot. It's a corner lot, so it has two fronts and two sides. And um so I think it can be seen because the frontage on Main Street is about

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almost 300 ft of frontage on Main Street. So I think it can be seen like way up. But really my question is what standard are we going by? Because, you know, I think what we've done minimizes the visual impact, but the approval said

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that it was conditional on it being disguised entirely from the street, which I don't think is possible, nor do any other ones in town achieve that standard. So, I just don't want to be left open to, you know, somebody saying, "Ah, it's not

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disguised entirely when I'm 700, you know, feet away, 300, 200 f feet up Main Street. I could see it on a on a winter day." So, I'm just, you know, I my first question is what are we trying to achieve to minimize it or to make it

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completely disguised? I think it's a challenge because it's like um a lot of the applications we look at the people have like existing like um borders. This this lot is a unique situation because it's like a

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corner lot and there's not really any like hedging or fencing or anything. And so you can I mean there's I see a fence it looks like there's a fence on the I guess it's the west side of the property like um bordering the barn park. Um but

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on the side where the units are by the driveway there isn't any sort of um it's just like it's a wide open space which is the challenge because from afar driving up Main Street you can still like see the units. Um,

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so >> we we're we're happy to add we're happy to add um what we would have to do to achieve this would be to take like a three-foot bed garden bed and make it like 8 feet because we looked and the

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unit needs like 3 to six feet of clearance. And we were happy to put uh you know five, four, five, six, whatever shrubs that are from the acceptable list. Bayberry, Crate Myrtle, Holly, Spiria, and make it bigger. I I just I

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guess I just want to get clarification though that we do that. Is that acceptable? Is that a reasonable solution or does it have to be quote unquote entirely disguised? >> No, I don't. I mean, I think it's I

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think putting bushes there, it shows that you're trying to entirely disguise it. It's difficult to like guarantee, but >> I mean I guess but I think the way the reason I put entirely disguised is because we weren't sure if you were intending to put just like a tree in

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front or if you were trying to put like actual bushes because there's a huge difference. >> So that's why we, you know, I had written on the application entirely disguised. >> But um >> I just want to make, you know, I don't want to be held, you know, understand. You know what I mean? A neighbor says that's what they said. I know it's a higher standard. I couldn't find that

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anywhere. >> Yeah. Uh, no. I think I mean what do you guys think? Please. >> So, we're proposing that I think landscaping with with you know bush a series of bushes around it. >> Yeah. >> Expanded planting bed

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>> because they do have to have clearance around the condensers. >> Yeah. >> So, that would be fine. >> I think just showing the the intent is like >> so being put in front of it basically on the >> like kind of next to the driveway area. It looks like Yeah,

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>> that would probably from coming up would would disguise it. And then that tree disguises it on the other side already. >> Yeah, you can't see it till you're like way up, but but or driving into town, which I understand that and that that's important. >> Um I would say that shrubbery is

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preferable to fencing or a hard enclosure or something which would affect the character of the house. So I think that's fine. >> Thank you. That's why we wanted the comments because you know that was suggested too and yeah we want it to be something natural looking >> and and I would say that uh some of the

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decisions that you've made so far were really good in terms of minimizing it. So for example it's on the side it's not on either of the fronts and the mini split isn't hanging from the wall 20t in the air. This is so I I think that you're going the right way about it. >> Thanks. Yeah, we tried to keep it like

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that high or lower so that it can be with something, you know, reasonable. >> Cool. >> Good. >> Anything else? >> All right, so like five, four, five, five, six, whatever on that extended. >> All right, cool. Thanks. >> Thank you for coming in. >> Thanks, guys. We appreciate it. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> I think this is a good productive discussion. I will tell you guys, I approved like three, how many did I do offline? Four applications this month and they were all like air conditioning related. This was our biggest air conditioning challenge, but the other ones were I mean, yeah, people are are

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all over air conditioners right now in town. So, >> we just got added >> the thing on the thing where you like the checklist >> uh like five months ago it was generators. Now, it's generators and air conditioning. So, just add

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>> Okay, great. >> Okay, so we're going to move on next to offense. Um, we have uh 49 South Main. Um, >> hi Kathy. >> Hi, how are you? Uh, would you be able to share with us a little bit about your

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project? >> Um, well, I'm just proposing to replace the existing picket fence. um same place, same exact style um that we've had for 35 years

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and it's been repaired six, seven times and I'd like to replace it with the vinyl fence. Um which would be easier to maintain and stronger. Um I sent pictures.

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Okay. And um I guess a question is oh so the fence that example is the the sweetheart at water house the new house the that and then there's um a house this looks

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like it is six sims court that has a vinyl fence. So, the existing fence is on the far side of the driveway. And before that, 40 years ago, was just a wire fence. >> Does anyone have any comments?

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Okay. >> I recall like um for the uh the 32 North Main um that's new construction, right? >> Yes. So I I recall that we will approve the

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vinyl fences for you know infill new construction. Um >> right so I'm kind of curious how that came to be a precedent. I think there may be another one. >> I guess my question is like I and I just

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from personal experience I mean we we have our design guidelines say to do wood from personal experience I do know I have a vinyl fence in Shadow Oaks and I absolutely hate it. Um it gets dirty every year and moldy every year I have to power wash it every year. It gets

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cracked. My teenage daughter has run into it and cracked it. Um, part of me wishes it was wood because you can just throw a coat of white paint on it. Um, you know, I don't I mean, I'm not I just

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I guess my my question is are you are you certain you want vinyl and you're ready for the cleaning of vinyl? because it's not I know you some people might and there's pros and cons to both sides but um um I mean just in terms of like

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the um the guidelines we have wood because of um the history but also I think because the wood does tend to like last longer than vinyl. >> Yeah. Also, right next to the fence is a

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huge pine tree, and every time there's a really bad windstorm, it knocks over or breaks part of the wooden fence. Um, we've had a number of It's on um the neighbors property and we've cut

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branches down, but I just feel that the vinyl fence would be stronger. I would think the vinyl fence would be weaker. >> What does anyone else think? >> That's how I feel too. I don't

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>> know evidence one way or the other. >> Yeah. Does it have trees dropping on it? >> Yeah, it's an unknown. You might find that the wood is easier to repair than the vinyl. Um, that being

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said, on this particular fence, I think what you're proposing here certainly fits the character and the fence that is being replaced doesn't date from the period of significance. that's not mentioned in the property report as contributing to the resource. So, the

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exact fence is there right now. I don't think it's a high priority to save that exact wood fence. And I think it was important to you um I think you've chosen if it was important to you to switch to vinyl, I think you've chosen one that does a good job of of fitting in the district. >> It would be the same exact style.

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The only difference would be the vinyl. Um yeah, personally I'm I'm okay with it. I I don't know. The one thing I would say is that the the the bottom rail and the top rail which are applied to one side of the

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picket versus another. Um the the photo in in the package has that bottom and top rail on the side facing the filmographer. And in the installation in the in the

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existing fence, the top and bottom rail are on the other side of the fence. It's away from the from your property. So, I would suggest that when it's installed that you do it in a way where the rails are

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on the side of the fence away from your house >> so that it gives the same >> I think. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's just that the photograph shows it the way it is. And I just it's up to the you know it's up to you and the in and the installer to make

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sure that that would happen that way. But I think it'd be important to make sure the pickets are on your side of the >> rails. Do you want a motion to approve? >> I'll make sure to approve it. Um, although I I just hope that I hope I'm

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wrong for your sake because I just like again I I feel like my vinyl fence is so bad and so cracked and I can't fix it. It's so expensive to fix it. I had to replace

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the the center compartment and it was really expensive just to change out one part of it. I I personally wish I had wood, but if you guys really feel like vinyl, it's going to make your life so much easier. I mean, I'm not going to follow my sword for that. Um, from a

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history perspective. >> Yeah, it looks I mean, it looks from the street from afar like the same. So, you know, so yeah, it might be function. Okay. >> Did I have to go back to the zoning officer?

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>> Um, do you approve or do I have to do anything? >> Did you do a zoning um application for it or not? >> I Yes, >> you did. Um, no, it gets sent to him when it's approved. So, he's aware when because it probably said like needs HPC review.

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>> Yes. So, he gets sent when these are completed and you get sent a copy to. >> Okay. And I will take in mind with that. I mean, I'm not dead set on on vinyl, but I will think about that. >> Yeah,

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>> you can come over and see my face if you like. You're welcome. >> Actually, I think I'll do that. >> Go for it. >> I hate it. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yeah. All right. Let's do a roll call

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for that then. Um, roll call for HPC 276-26. Miss Smireer, >> yes. >> Mr. Guyer, >> yes. >> Mr. Hoo, >> yes. >> Miss Ryan, >> yes. >> And Miss Marlo, >> okay. >> Thank you. Motion passed. >> Thank you.

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>> Okay. Next, we're going to work on uh HPC uh application for 99 North Main Street. We have a side edition. >> Hi. Good evening. >> Hello. Hello. Hi. How are you guys? Is it warm over here?

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>> So, would you mind um sure taking us through your project? >> Yeah. So, this proposal is for 99 North Main Street. It's a addition in the back the rear the rear back of the I mean the back section of the house. So, we have

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like the front and the back. So we adding uh on the south side uh addition of around 77 square ft to extend the southside wall. So the current uh configuration of the first floor is

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around a family room as well as a kitchen. So it's not really any one of them. So the kitchen is very small and my wife is a serious cook. So you know it's always been her I've always promised her that I'm going to give her a good kitchen that she wants one day

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but you know so based on that so we started uh you know uh this project uh with architect Joe Pimeiano and uh he has come up with this proposal to bump out on the back uh around like 77 square

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ft. So this is within you know doesn't require any variance. So it's within you know so that's the good part of it. So, so I submitted all the drawings to you guys, you know. So, you know, and u so the exterior which is now currently all

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wood shingles on the top and siding that will be the same over here. Uh cedar shing sidings and the cedar shing uh uh boards and what else? Uh the windows will be the current I mean we don't have just a new window is going to be because

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the if you look at the wall there's no windows over there. So it's all very dark inside. Yeah. So the new proposal will be to have a window which will be a casement window on the on the kitchen side and that will be all wood wood clad

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you know. So I can go to the first floor if you know if you don't want to go. >> Okay. So, um I'm not I I'm not an architect, so I'm not the best at looking at um

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these drawings. So, >> bear with me. I just want to make sure I some basic questions is is this going to be visible from the street or is this from the back? This edition. >> It's not in the front. So, they're like, you know, from the back section. Back section is not rear. It's on the side.

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It's going to be visible from the if you look from if you stand in front of the house. Yes, definitely. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So there is a existing what do you call a fig tree over there and there was also a pine tree which uh you fell down like

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you know four years back on the house. So we removed it. So once if once we add addition we are going to add remove the fig tree from there and put in front of the section which you know which is going to be added. >> So that's kind of like >> is it going to be it's going to be back

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behind the >> it's going to be in here on the side >> on the side side. It's just a small little bump out >> bump out over here. >> Got it. >> To the left. Yeah. If you stand in front of the house, it's going to be the left. >> Yeah. >> See, this this is a different scale, but

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basically that is the addition. So, it's bumping up. >> I mean, there's a elevation drawings, you know, so that might be easier to see. And >> it's so hard to see already just because like there's so much vegetation there like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

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>> but it's within the setback. >> You find it? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Thoughts, Barbie? Bobby, any comments or questions? >> Same roof line, same slope. >> Yeah. So, you know, I, you know, Joe Pimeiano, who's the architect, you know,

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initially we thought we would extend all the way to the back, but then he said the roof line will not be, you know, look nice. So, we just made it sure that, you know, it blends in and it's not standing as a, you know, stands out, you know. >> And the windows that you're using, are they going to be windows? Can you see

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the windows from the street? Are you >> No, no, it's on the side, right? >> It's on the side. >> Yeah, it's on the side. >> They're all on the side. >> They're on the side. There's no windows on the facing the street. >> Okay. >> Brendan, any comments or questions? Okay. All right. And then I guess I'll make a

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motion to approve. >> Second. >> All right. Roll call for HPC 278-26. Miss Sutmire. >> Yes. >> Mr. Guyer. >> Yes. >> Mr. H. >> Yes. >> Miss Ryan. >> Yes. >> And Miss Marlo. >> Yes.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Motion passed. >> Thank you. I can send you the pictures of the windows if you want. When I, you know, it's still in the initial phase, right? So, you know, if you want, I can send you the pictures. It's going to be the same last drive as you put in the front, right? All wood Anderson 400 or

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whatever it is, you know. Okay. And uh yeah, that's it. Okay. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Good luck with your project. >> All right. Great. So, um now we are so excited to welcome our architects.

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Um and so if you guys wouldn't mind coming up and taking us through what we're doing today. We're going to be looking over um some plans that are um being put that are in conjunction with um uh the lot over by the um former

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Chamberlain and Barkley property. Now it's going to become a warehouse. And so we're looking at the little strip of land that's um where the Cranberry Station Depot uh was. And so the intent of this discussion is to look at these um plans. We got some preliminary

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feedback from you as well as from some of the neighbors um and we conveyed that on and um the goal is for us to kind of um review these so that we have um comfort as I believe they're going to be trying to bring this forward into the uh

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the zoning board next month I believe. Okay. Oh boy. Okay. So, thank you for coming in. We really appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> And thank you so much for giving us an opportunity to have a voice with uh

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what's happening here. This, you know, area is very important to us. So, we really do appreciate it. >> Yeah. And thank you, uh, chair and and board members. Um, I think we all realize there's a great opportunity here. And I also have my client Franco

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Rouseo from Hadad uh group um and I think and chair please correct me if I'm wrong but um I think the purpose of tonight is for all of us to kind of be on the same page right I think we all know the goal the goal is to bring

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something back uh to kind of bring that historic relevance I think there were some challenges that and I'm sure you're aware and I can have Rachel come up who's also from my office uh if there's any questions but I think you know The

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photographs that we have are a little bit challenging from just a perspective of, you know, I think the older photograph shows a building that wasn't there. And then uh I'm sorry. Uh I don't know if you want me to put this into evidence or anything, but this is one of

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the original I think the oldest photograph if I may. >> Okay. >> Is that this one here is 1937? There's also this one which is >> this is 1961 this is 193

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this is considered >> this >> is that a picture of the passenger depot and not the freight depot right so it's not even the right building >> which is fine because it's there's not

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that's not there to begin. >> So I guess then if you look um >> in 38 is what we'll use that historical society. Yeah >> because we were racking our brain trying to find like that the original

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photograph and um you know obviously again to try to give it the right historic reference. So, if you look on page, let's see, it's towards the back. It's one of the last uh

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it's the third page from the end. >> I got to just make it taller. >> Yeah. Um now, in this rendering, we kind of dropped the building, but I think we're happy to leave the building where it is elevated if we're all in agreement

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on that. I think part of the issue is if we need a ramp like for I I don't know if we would be required to have ADA accessibility here because I think the ramp again, not that we could maybe we could come up with a creative like

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uh vegetative type ramp that gets you here. But um that was one of the reasons we lowered it. But because I thought the ramp was detracting from the historic component, right? So if we do keep it elevated,

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you know, I guess the questions become how is it going to be used and so on. Um, but I think lastly, I hope this photo this rendering kind of shows our intent of the building. And I think one of the

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things that for Mr. Rosa and I I don't want to take his thunder away. Um but he would like to dedicate the building to the owner that passed away uh a few years ago, right? >> Y >> um and that was part of we had the Eddie Hadad Depot which would be part of the

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signage or I guess we can figure out what's the best way to do that that's sensitive to everybody. Um again I think the trims and everything whatever from this photograph we will mimic our clients willing to do whatever is

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necessary right to bring in the natural material and I I didn't mean to chuckle before when we were talking about vinyl and wood. Uh everybody thinks vinyl is vinyl or vinyl is maintenancefree and it's totally not. Um, and as an example, I think, you know, we'll use natural

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materials here to bring that authenticity back because I know this this is a little bit beat up. >> I also don't think I'm sorry, but I I guess I'll give you guys a small brief history of what happened here with the property. Um, I happened to be driving

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down the street and I met with I guess one of the grandchildren of Chamberlain and I pulled in and I asked him, "Who owns this crappy property?" And he said,

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"I do." I said, "Can I buy it?" He goes, "Why would you want to buy this? I have all these problems." A million developers came in to buy it. And uh I said, "Well, I'm I'm crazy. I like the town. I I come to Teddy's for random

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reason." I mean, we're our office is in South Brunswick. Our main distribution centers in South Brunswick and I migrate out and I happen to like the town. I said, "I just like the town. I'd love to have a warehouse here one day." He's like, "It's never going to happen." I said, "All right." So, I bought it

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anyway. And then the neighbors started to contact me and I'm very accessible which sometimes is good and sometimes is bad. So I started hearing them and then this depot that they were calling a depot um you know

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grabbed everyone's attention because it's not designated at all. And I started to demolish the buildings that were there because they were a in dangerous condition. And the ones that were across the street obviously where the warehouse is going

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to hopefully go one day, they couldn't there's there was nothing really historic to save about them and their contamination and everything. Actually, I've had this property tested since the last meeting just for if the town takes it over or whatever we decide to do with

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it and it happens to be clean. >> Okay. So that's not going to be an element, you know, or a problem. And then in studying it, the existing building that's there, there's nothing historically about it. It's raised off

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the ground on concrete, you know, tubes. >> The wood is not reflective of anything that's ever that building was placed there long after that picture. It's not even that same building at all. So, what

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what I would want to do is find the artifacts that is there that could potentially be part of the history and incorporate them into something that we can make look like it was there a long time ago and replicate it more than

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actually preserve what's there because it's completely unusable. And they were using it as like a an electric storage shed. There's no bathroom. There's no In order to have anything that I think would would want to, you know, represent any type of

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history or have the public walk through it and make it something really nice, you have to accommodate the elderly, handicap or whatever. So, I think if we can I didn't knock one of the buildings down and maybe take some of the wood.

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That building might be from the 50s, 40s. You know, there are some things that we can find there that I think are old enough that we can put into something new that looks old. You know, I think it would be a much better project to do and still designate the

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whole park to, you know, to the historic society. So that whole corner from the traffic light all the way that whole pie sheet piece can be part of of your community that's actually on the other side of the railroad track and just

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extend it onto the you know uh cranberry station road and I'm willing to take every expense needed and not ask for anything from for anybody except my only selfish uh motive would be that a lot of

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my success came from Mr. Hadad and when he passed away there were a few projects this one of them one in Manhattan we own a very large building that he never got to see you know to the end. So the projects that he never had a chance to

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see to the end I'd like to just make sure that they're always going to be there for a very long time with his name on them. So that's really my only selfish uh motive to the to the project. And I I' I've worked with the neighbors trying to get their ideas, but I think

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you guys would be the best, you know, to to give us the right direction. And, you know, no matter what happens, I make one promise, no matter what happens to the warehouse approval. I will always build this project out

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regardless. Has no impact on whether I'm ever allowed to build a warehouse there. I'll put a statue of Eddie there on the turnpike if I can't if I can't put a warehouse. I'll I'll put a 200,000 square foot statue. So, it'll be up to them to decide what what what goes on

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there. But, I think on this piece particular piece, being that the neighbors would never allow truck parking, even though I could probably do it or use it for any purpose outside of preserving it and making it something great for the community and for the

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public, I'm I'm all in for that. Thank you so much for those comments and just um sort of recap on what we convey to you guys as well as what I heard from the neighbors um was that there oh I'm sorry what I'm what I heard from the

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neighbors is that you know they're they're looking right now the space is being used as sort of like an impromptu truck stop. Um sometimes elicit activities happen there because there's no one really living there. um and it's sort of run down as you will and so

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they're just excited that you're going to clean it up. Um I think doing that alone will hopefully help deter like the illicit activities, >> right? And I think and um >> I think the the the trucks that come from Amazon and down the road and all that because >> there like you said there's nothing

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there. >> I put up chain they've knocked it down. It's just it needs something needs to happen there and if we develop it and there's no way for a tractor trailer to pull in there or a truck to pull in there and it's made for pedestrian and

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for >> you know civilian parking let's call it and not truck parking it will eliminate that element completely and make the neighbors much much happier and the community much happier and me because I'm the one that gets the calls >> and I have and and so I think like what

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I see here I really like how you're adding lots of Um I look I guess these are like baby trees. Um and uh it looks like a little almost like walking path which is kind of nice. >> Um and then a little parking lot with uh

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one two three uh it looks like five or six spots and like a circular driveway. I think the only question I'd have on behalf of the probably the neighbors thinking about is there any chance an Amazon truck could be coming in and trying to use this as a

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way to turn around? They deal with that a lot on the other street turn. >> I I think that would be difficult. Yeah. Okay. I think they'd be asking for trouble >> or or gate I I would gate it so that you know >> it's closed and that that way no one

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could enter when that it's not like it's going to be open every day for car or regular traffic and when they do open it they would open the gates >> just like any other property. >> Our other idea was to you know >> we showed two buildings right now

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because we weren't sure which picture to use. kind of combine them both. But if we are going to use only one building and I'm allowed to recreate it, >> it would be more than, you know, >> it would it would be able to actually

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walk people through. Like I I went and studied I went to an actual a bunch of parks that had some buildings on them and they used them for exactly that. They would have like a display in there and there, you know, the history of what went on there and whatever we can,

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however we can create all that. The building needs to be a little bit larger than what it is right now and has to be fun, you know, functionable. Yeah. >> So, that was the reason why we wanted it bigger. And there are there is railroad track left there. So my idea or my goal would be to find an old train and and

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put it there so that the kids >> so that the kids could see it >> and you know obviously it could still be used as part of history because I will find one >> that is history. >> Yeah. And and I think that idea was has been unanimously wellreceived by

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everyone. I mean, I think it's really creative and just so long as we just want to make sure we're not putting in like a 1980s train in a in the in the depot. >> It would be like >> I would look to find I would look to find something that somebody

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>> doesn't want to go through the expense of dismantling and moving something in that nature and I will I will do that. >> You could probably get it cheap. Well, dismantling it and bringing it there probably more than the track itself. >> The only challenge I would say is that

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the the original train that originally came through the John Bull is in the Smithsonian now. So, I don't think that is for sale. >> I don't think it doesn't get one that old. >> But I'm saying if we can find something that's in that range of years, >> you know, I think that'll give

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>> context. >> Yeah. And >> you know, would would it be the exact one? No. Like I said, the history that's more just for show, you know, I think the artifacts and the things that we find that we can put within the like

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museum part of the structure would be where the learning and all that would come from the train. Wherever we find it and whatever it is, it would just look cool. And especially if you're going to bring K, you know, kids and schools and think through that that would give them some >> something more than to look at

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>> just some picture on the wall or most of them probably wouldn't even care about the train. Well, I mean about the actual history, but the train would be the coolest thing. So, >> yeah. No, it's definitely a draw. Um, so and I um from when we originally first saw the plans, I know there were a lot

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more like um there were more benches and picnic tables and stuff here in the in the plans and there's it seems like there's a little fewer now. >> We took some of that away. >> We took it away because we got some feedback >> good feedback from the neighbors. I appreciate that. Yeah. >> Yeah, I heard that from the neighbors.

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So, thank you. >> Right. >> Yeah. I I think that it it creates a more of a passive area which is I think better um for the neighbors. Um >> but if we gate if we gate it somehow and it's only open when it's needs to be

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used and I maintain it then it's really just going to be >> like a appears like it's yeah it's yours. It would be just like a beautiful picture for people to look at every day until you guys actually use it for an event. Or >> if I can for a second because you know

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we were trying to figure out the components of the building and I think Mr. Roso uh alluded to it. We had a separate building where we were going to put bathrooms and things of that nature. Is there and I don't know if we have to do this now, but the the program inside

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the building, do you guys have any comments on that as far as like do you want a bathroom inside of it? Do you want us to create like a bathroom structure outside of it? You know, I think in other word, and again, it doesn't have to be tonight, but I think

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for us, it's like how does it want to be used? >> Yeah. Because I think there's several questions that we have as designers that, you know, we could pivot this way or that way. I mean, we know what we have to do on the outside. And it's funny when I look at this photograph,

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I'm noticing, unless I'm misreading it, um, the side of the building, it's horizontal clapboard, it almost looks like, and then you look in the back and it looks like it's vertical, right? So, there's things like that that we we're going to pay attention to those details. And I think again, as uh Mr. Rosa said,

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you know, the building that's there, I don't think is this building or if it is, it was modified. >> It was modified, we think in like the 70s was renovated. We think they may have put like siding over the original clapper. >> We think you Yeah, you might find

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>> Right. Um Okay. So, and I guess I don't know if the roofs are different. >> Yeah, we think they put a new roof on. Yeah. So I guess you know using again this 1938 photograph this would be our >> benchmark >> and then the goal would be like when

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you're disassembling it is to you know try to identify this you know whatever the materials that were originally from 1938 and if they're salvageable continue to use them in the new structure. Um and

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yeah, you remove the modern m materials that are from postad, right? >> And try to put in something that resembles, you know, or is the exact same as what was in 1938, which is usually like wood, >> right? If we could identify this, I know

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this sounds crazy, but if we could identify the species of wood, and we understand there's some beams here, it looks like some heavy timber um like brackets for on the roof line. Yeah, that they probably used we think to haul thing lift things up,

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>> right? Oh, maybe for that, but it looks like it's the roof structure itself. >> Yeah, >> how it was done. >> Obviously, we're looking to bring that >> Yeah. >> back to that, right? And I I guess as long as >> without further information

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>> other than maybe there's the one from 1961 which we could try to use, we'll we'll go as close to this as we can. >> Yeah, that is what we we found as our sort of our Where do you think a 1937 bathroom? >> It wouldn't be accessible. And if that's

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your goal, then >> it was probably Yeah. If there was an outhouse or something. >> Um if in that photo um it is the depot is elevated. Yes. >> Yes. So I'm thinking if especially if

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you are going to have like a a train engine or even box cars or you know caboose you know um approximate to it. It was raised so that it would be level with the engine. And so I understand the

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the need I appreciate the need for accessibility by lowering it, but I'm wondering if you could also achieve that by leaving it at its current height and then adding a ramp that doesn't have to be, you know, like a solid concrete

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brick ramp, but even, you know, we use like kind of removable black metal ramps, you know, that look like >> talking about aluminum. The ramp could be part of the platform. >> Why can't we make the building taller? so that it looks elevated but it's not.

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>> I don't know if I would want to do that. I think I think if the building was at it at the elevation that is in the photo and that there was a platform around it that would kind of give the sense of it, you know, as a as a train depot. >> Yeah.

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>> And then there could be a ramp built into that platform very easily. Doesn't have to be like stuck on the side. It could just be built into the end and it's only a foot or a couple feet so it wouldn't have to be very long and I think that would be the best solution.

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It It's a little higher. Sorry to interrupt you. It's a little higher than you think. So to have a a compliant ramp, it's a little bit longer. >> Yeah. >> Is it like three feet above? >> Well, if it's three feet above, I would need a 36. Exactly. Right.

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>> Yeah. So, um I I think because of the type of building it is and because it's historic and the rehab code, we may be able to not they may not make like force us to do it, but it's more about I think

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this is where I ask how you guys envision using this. And I think that's what my client is saying like we'll make it work and comfortable for the way it wants to be used. Right? Right now, we're just speculating. And not that we're spinning our wheels, but you know,

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I think the biggest thing for me as a designer, I'm happy to bring this literally back to the way it was. The more photographs or the more detailing we can have, the better that would help us. >> So the train was like, you know, behind

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the structure, right? >> Yeah. That's >> So maybe we put the ramp behind it and you won't see it from the front of the road and then You can go around in the back. I was thinking that's what a lot of people do with the Yeah. >> kind of hide it like tuck it behind and we can use

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>> it'll be closer. It'll be closer to the parking anyway. >> Like handicap parking. >> I have a question. Uh 1713 house. Uh does it have a ramp? >> No, not yet. No. >> Is it going to? Is that an attention?

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Not the airwe. Okay. >> I don't think it's required. I think we have some leeway there. There's the rehab code which you know it may yeah it may play a factor again the ramp is a little bit we understand why we need the ramp that's not the question but it it

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from an historic perspective it was never there >> that's one and two I think it takes away a little bit but we're willing to do like we're not like we're all on the same side right like we're all here to say whatever we're in agreement we're happy to do so

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>> but what if an old person wants to go in there and then they don't accessibility to I would feel bad. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think I think for the for the sake of history, I think we'd want it to be as close like you know that would that would trump the the handicap thing

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and then if and then the handicap thing it to to the point like putting it in the back so it's on one side. Um, I had a um a question about uh there's it looks like there's some sort of a like a

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flower box concrete like flower box thing here. It looks like a some sort of it's almost like a is it a buffering structure or like raised flower bed. >> Um >> maybe that's a little bit too modern. I think we were just putting some elements

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in the landscape, not necessarily meant to be the historic part of it, but we can eliminate that and just have ground landscaping. >> I think the neighbors would prefer that like more natural landscaping. Um, just I I think they they had this like sort

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of AI generated thing. Um, I can send it on to you that and it had a lot more plantings and I think and also from the historical perspective I think it would be better than the concrete. >> We could do that. >> Yeah, >> 100%. >> Um, okay. So, one really important thing

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to talk about is how this is going to be used because um I I've been tried to engage PE I worked a little bit with Barbara, our township liaison um starting to have discussion about this and I do think that it's really important for us to kind of level set on

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um how we're going to go about using this property because um there's just so much to it and we're so like again we're so grateful for you being so coming to the table and everything. >> Um, what we're trying to understand a

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little bit is, you know, if this is this are you guys intending to keep this property like under your own watch and then let the town use it or are you in any way thinking of the town taking it on because then it opens up the door to

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like complexities with the town in terms of like maintenance and insurance and all of that. So, did you guys have like a vision for that? Were you thinking that it would be >> I would do whatever makes it easier for the town and for you guys. I don't >> I'll keep it forever. It's fine.

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>> Yeah. >> And maintain it. I would I would my only concern and it's it's happened in other towns where I've made some concessions and left like a little pie-shaped piece of property out of the development and then nobody

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>> cares about it anymore and it turns >> ugly and it just makes my project a problem, you know. So, I've always ended up maintaining it anyway. >> Yeah. So, I would think to keep it under our umbrella and just carve it out as a

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designated historic piece of our land. I have no problem doing that. I own a landmark building in Manhattan. So, and that's probably a much harder uh >> you know, >> I mean, >> contact you. And so, that part we we I'd

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have to really study, let's call it, because obviously then those insuranceances would fall under me. But like I let people use my building in Manhattan. They just have to give whatever >> event it is would just give me a certificate of insurance for using it.

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and then go from there. I I don't see that to be a uh a problem. >> Okay. Yeah. I I I have to say based on the plinary discussions I had, it seems like that would be I think possibly the best arrangement because if the town

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takes it on, there's the expense of like maintaining it, cleaning the bathroom, like whatever ends up getting done with it. it's becomes a challenge um for the town resources and a challenge for you because it's right across from you and we also don't want it to get neglected

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in the way that you know you want it. Um so I think that is is really great. The only thing I would would just bring up is that it's just something for us to think about in the way in the long future is that they're developing a rail

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trail south of the depot um down by Heightstown path like south of Heightstown area. They're turning it into a trail, the rail line. And right now, um, we don't believe there's any sort of firm plans to do that with the

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train tracks that are there right now. But it it does seem to be a very big trend. It could be something that could happen in like 10, 20 years where, you know, we end up kind of talking again and we find out that they're looking to

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turn that railroad into like a trail, a nature trail. Yeah. >> Um, and then at that point then it starts you start thinking about how we're using this space. You know, people who are a lot of these rail trails, they have like little stops where they have

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little businesses along the way or they'll have like um parking or bathrooms or stuff like that. So, um I think that for now I think we're fine, but it is something I wanted to bring up just so it's not a surprise if it happens years from now. Um, so

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>> well, I guess that unless there's something like for example, we show six parking spaces, but I'm going to tell you now that's arbitrary. >> Yeah. >> Right. We just kind of show parking there. So whether it's a stone area, right? I think because my wife and I did one of the trails. I don't know if it's

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near here or Heightstown. I can't remember, but we literally did one of those trails and it's great. You know, you could go biking, walking. Um but like if if somebody said those trails would want eight parking spaces or again we're open to that, right? Um

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>> and it wouldn't really impact the project because there's this actual spur. >> They could trail and then walk off the spur and come to the property. They would never actually have to trail the spur, >> right? >> Where I plan on putting the train. There's like two there's actually two

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almost two railroad lines on that on that particular piece of property. Yep. >> Is is the scale of the road uh between the depot and the uh warehouse correct? I mean it shows

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like a four lane. >> I don't I don't Yeah, I think maybe the vehicles there are not correct. >> So I am widening in the I did propose to the township to widen the road in part of my development of the warehouse

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because the road is narrow there. Although they widened it for Amazon down the street, they didn't care to do it up the street because they figured that some nice guy was gonna buy this piece of property one day and do it for them. So that happens to be me. So I won the prize. So yeah, in part of our

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development plan, we we have proposed to widen the road and put a sidewalk on on the warehouse side of the street. Yeah. So that >> so that pedestrians uh >> Yeah. the vehicles may not be to scale there. So, yeah, probably the road may

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be correct, but >> yeah. So, the road right now is not wide enough really for two trucks to even pass, especially where there's like that pinch point where the road turns and there is a building right that I own right at the road like a truck could actually hit it.

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>> They So, yes, that was something that we took into consideration when we when we studied developing this property and uh I proposed it to them. So again, we we don't have that portion of the project approved. We're still in that process.

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And uh there was some comments on the on the last um meeting that I had about putting the sidewalk because we didn't show a sidewalk. There isn't one there now. And we did add it for our next meeting. You know, a lot of the comments that were made for that meeting. And uh

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I think the road being wider is very beneficial to to the whole neighborhood there. Just quick question. So the sidewalk is on the side of the depot right now. Are you are you guys saying the sidewalk is actually going to be on the other side of the street? >> So there's no sidewalks anywhere. I

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would I would put them on both sides if it's needed, you know, but the the um the township at the meeting was only only wanted it on one side because there is none. >> I would I wouldn't go by our sketch. This is I think just a rendering. You

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know what I mean? I wouldn't use this as the basis of that. Yeah, >> because there's no like the sidewalk would just start at the corner. There is no sidewalks going left to right, right to left anywhere in that in that in that vicinity. So,

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it really wouldn't wouldn't matter. It would just matter if you wanted it or not. >> Um, one other quick question I had is um the signal tower which is concrete um is is in the structure. Do you guys have

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any thoughts on how we might what we might do with that? >> That's the >> entity. That's the only one historic thing that I thought was that >> that concrete hot thing. >> Yeah, it's like a a switch or something. >> I think that's the only original item on

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that piece of propert. So, what I've what I've learned about it is um the Camden and Amboy Railroad, they rent uh leased the tracks to the Pennsylvania Railroad and that was a like a signal phone booth um that was pre-cast

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concrete and the P Pennsylvania Railroad had them all across the the network. So, you'll find other examples of those that are either in good condition or terrible condition or just, you know, at various places. Sometimes they've been, you know, tossed aside, but that's if you

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want to understand the history of that, you know, it's labeled on here as existing historic structure, that concrete hut. It's that that's what it was used for. >> Obviously, we would want to keep it. And I think if you flash forward, you know, God willing, everything goes the way it's supposed to. Um, I think we could

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coordinate with somebody from your team, we make plaque, you, you know, you create plaques that kind of describe what's going on there, right? so that it makes sense to people because right now I don't think anybody knows what it is. Frank Franco said this is something historic. I know it's important. Um and

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I think if we just identify it, right? That would be something you know as part of the organizing of of you know the area >> could be restored also. Uh it doesn't have to be left in the um condition it's in. >> I I just >> Oh, you mean bring it back? Yeah.

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>> Oh, sure. Sure. Based on what I learned from the building in Manhattan, like I said, anything that I would think is historic, you don't really ever want to touch if you don't have to. So, I just told everyone, don't touch it until I figure out what it is. >> Yeah. >> I don't think it needs to have a

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function besides being kind of a >> an artifact, a sculpture, you know, that's that's just proximate to the depot. >> Yeah. We may want to put like something like glass or something over it so people can't like go into it. Um Oh,

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right now or something cuz right now >> Well, be careful because you could be making a magnifying glass situ or like you know I'd be careful what we're doing with that right now. >> Yeah. Just right now people are I think people are throwing trash in it right now. So that's what we make sure

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you know white >> wood seal it. Exactly. or something so that people can't throw trash into anymore. >> I think a key element fence around >> key element of the site should be like lighting for security when you're talking kind of about making it not a

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nuisance location but like a safe location. So, we've we've talked about fencing, which obviously wasn't originally there, but in the name of security and making the neighbors happy and such and making it secure, I think,

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you know, lighting is going to really help. And uh although they might not want like 247, you know, super bright, >> they're going to complain about like really bright. >> Yeah. We could also put motion >> some low scale lighting. Yeah, we could also put put motion up lighting just to

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make the building look, you know, present, you know, pretty and people know that it's there. But then the real lighting could be on on a motion, >> you know, for security reasons and only that. So it's not constantly on. >> But we get the point, right? Like it wants to be well lit, so it's safe, but

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obviously not to the detriment of the neighbors. And that's just like any other project, right? We have to deal with that. And also the neighbors, I would try and create >> a buffer of higher trees or put a burm on the back side of the property so that they don't see it. >> Yeah. >> If they want to see it, they need to

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walk around and use it as as what it's meant for. And that way they have, you know, a a buffer. They they had they did make comments about putting trees more trees across the street on my building side, you know, where the warehouse would go, which I did anyway, but really

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made zero sense to me because they're just going to be looking across the street anyway and seeing the trees. I I'd rather look out the window and see a tree than look across the street and see a tree, you know? So, I think I'm I'm going to make a presentation. I believe the site plan shows a lot more trees and

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>> they just probably want trees. >> Yeah. on both on both sides >> on my building side >> and on the property line side too. >> So sorry if there's more questions. I don't want to interrupt. >> I I'll share a little bit more from the historical context. So um I see the

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elevations like for the what the freight depot was and the passenger depot. I think it was probably you made those based on the photos that you had. Um, and you've kind of talked about combining the two or recreating one or the other and just kind of so I I'll just share the historic context of what

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role this served in the town. Um, actually as a freight depot more so was it significant to the town because of all the farming that was that was done and still done in Cranberry. That's what this was used for was distributing those

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what was farmed uh on the train network. So, it's it the freight aspect of it is historically more significant for this location. Um, that's probably why that's the one that survived. It was used for freight longer than it was used for

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>> the one that has the ramp there, I guess, right? It looks like in the 1938 photo, looks like there's a ramp. >> Yeah, that's probably how they unloaded it. >> Materials, I'm assuming product. So when you're trying to prioritize which aspects were are kind of most significant, it is the freight more than

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the passenger. >> Fair enough. >> Um >> and maybe we can recreate that ramp area and have it so that it's ADA as well. Then it can go off it.

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>> I think we got to be careful with that. But I'm saying that's a pretty cool component because I believe they if they probably had horses at the time and carriages and things like that and carts that we could probably try and we could probably get some of those artifacts or

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those are easier to replicate to look like they're original just as a as a um added feature to whatever we can save to really show the the significance of what went on there, especially if it involved freight farming, we could definitely

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create uh the right story there for for that. >> You can even given the use of uh the building across the street, tie it again into the distribution and storage of goods and old and new. >> Actually, we're a hundred-y old company

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this year. Yeah. Not me, but the company. >> Oh, okay. and and uh Eddie who passed away. He was the CEO and founder of like our generation, let's call it, but it was he's been he was the CEO for 65

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years before he passed away of the same entity. So, yeah, now it's his his nephews and me. I'm like the redheaded stepchild because I'm not had that. But we work very closely together in in all of our projects. And he was, like I

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said, a very special person. He would he would have loved, you know, what what I'm doing. He would have thought I was crazy, but that that's uh I guess that's good. >> Um I just had a couple quick questions about the rendering. I know this is just like a quick rendering, but um just one

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is a comment. It says where it says Eddie had um depot. I love that. Um it's historic Cranberry St. Cranberry Station, but instead of saying historic Cranberry Station Road, I would just say like historic Cranberry uh Cranberry Station. Um,

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>> historic >> station. >> Yeah. Again, we we did that just for you guys to see. However we incorporate his name, I I will I I'll accept. I just I want to incorporate >> You're okay with the name. It was just that it says road. It's really historic

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cranberry station. I got you. >> And then we can help. Yeah, we can work with you and with our historical society to if you wanted to do plaques about the different like elements of the story, >> of course. >> Um because there are a lot of really cool fun facts about this area.

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>> Um >> I even saw something actually this past weekend I was in Nashville. I saw um on their main street down in Nashville what they have are just in the sidewalk they have pavers that tell a fun fact as you're walking every few feet. I mean

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that's even something that would be a little interesting. Um like right now the front here is like a concrete um um walkway uh you know patio. um if there's a way to make it a little more

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historic or if there's a way maybe maybe we could kind of pull the history in with like the idea of like the pavers or something just to make it a little >> or use I mean there was a lot more gravel than concrete used. >> Yeah. >> In in in history. So maybe we put gravel with those pa like

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>> almost like stepping stones. So you walk through gravel and then every few feet there's a stepping stone. >> Yeah. >> Push down gravel stuff. >> Exactly. That that has some historic uh you know >> and then our our guidelines what are the guidelines we usually say about the

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stones like we ask people if they if you do find like old stones to um like blue stone and um Brendan do you remember I know you're like our encyclopedia they say like >> yeah in terms of pathways but

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>> I don't know what the site has to offer in terms of pathways is my >> if you find like railroad sleeper stones too as you're ripping up this like property property too. Those are really special and they've they actually created a whole monument to them due south in Heightstown, those big sleeper

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stones that of the railroad. So like as you start deconstructing the property and stuff I mean we're we're a resource too to consult with you because you might find stuff almost like an archaeological. Well, and I would say that

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>> hopefully I find a train, >> save some money >> or a Model T car. Very um I mean I think if we have if there's a liaison that we could coordinate with and I know we've probably been doing that now. >> Yeah. our committee here in Gina. Yeah. >> If you give us like somebody to

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coordinate with, I think, you know, it's almost like uh I mean obviously they're our client, but you almost become our client because I think we need to sit down and and understand how we want to use the building. And I think we brought up some great ideas, >> but I think um you know, how we want to

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use when I mean use the building, I mean internally, you know, um how we want to set it up. If you tell us there's, you know, we have a old artifacts that we want to display there, we want to do it in this manner. It just helps us to understand. Otherwise, we're going to

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create like a we call it a vanilla box inside. >> Okay. >> Um, which we could also do and say, "All right, let's figure it out later," you know? >> But like in in Homeell is one example. I went to a park and when you walk through

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like to see the animals and like where the Amish used to like mine the you know the fields with you know whatever turn the dirt over farm the fields when you walk through to get to the other side the existing building that was there is

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basically just artifacts like that tell a little story when you walk through and then when you go to the other side boom you're in the you're in the farm. So that that's where I got some of the ideas of if the people could just walk through the building, but they did have bathrooms there. They have other things

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that, you know, made the space usable. >> I liked the idea of the bathrooms being a separate building. >> Oh, that's fine. >> I think that works. I think it needs to be far enough away from the depot so that the depot reads as its own thing, right?

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>> Yeah. So, I think we drew it pretty far. pretty not super far but far enough. >> Yeah, I agree with that. And I think as far as the use of the building, it seems like first of all, it's not a very big building. So I think using it as a

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historic mu, you know, a museum of of archives and also telling the story of transportation and uh movement of goods and what you know cranberry was like and also the story of John Bull and there's

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a lot of history there too. So, you know, it it wouldn't wouldn't >> the president get hurt or >> Yeah. the first fatal train accident. >> Yeah. >> Well, he didn't the president didn't die, right? >> The president didn't die. He got injured. >> He was a former >> He was He was previously president. John

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>> Quincy. He may have been serving as a congressp person at that time. >> Vanderbilt broke his leg. >> Corner was Vanderbilt. But all of that could be, you know, some exhibit could be, it doesn't have to be fancy, but something to explain the story to people

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and have it be a >> history center for that kind of uh storytelling, I think would be great. >> Yeah, there's a huge train following of people, train enthusiasts. >> Does it get nationally designated? So, it would stay there forever. So right

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now we got a certificate of eligibility from the state of New Jersey and then our next step is to work on getting it onto the New Jersey list and get a grant of money so that we can apply for national registry. >> And that grant how much money how much

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money is it? >> I don't know. Um, >> well, more than >> the grant that we would apply for is I think it's we can only go up to 50,000. >> Yeah, max 50. Yeah.

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>> What if I gave you the 50,000 and you don't need a grant? Would it make it happen faster? I could donate it, right? I'm not >> Yeah, we have Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, um, >> well, you since you own the property

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now, um, you would certainly be in a position to help fund the research necessary to preserve your property. So, it doesn't have to go through the township necessarily, >> but I could do it myself as a >> Oh, right. >> like as a philanthropist or whatever. >> Well, as well, you would just pay for

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the research to be done >> to be done. Yeah, there are people in our town actually who have done that. There's a couple of houses in our township that are registered in the with the state because the owners um filled out the application to get it designated.

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>> And just to be clear, anybody could fill the application. It's not like to the point the township doesn't have to >> that's what happened to the building in New York City. Okay. There was a law firm that was in there for 60 years and they wanted to designate the building. So in 1986

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or whatever it was or 96 they got it designated on their own even though they didn't even own the building. >> Yeah. >> They were just a tenant did that. That's cool. >> Just to be clear though the the applications over time have become much more complicated. So, it used to be that like

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the property owner could fill out the application and submit it for this designation, but now it does require a professional like cultural resource historian type person to do. >> Look, the same way I hire this guy to draw it, I can't draw this myself. I

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just hire a historian to figure out. >> Finally got a compliment. I don't get compliments from him. That was nice. So, um, on a separate note, I had a question about these poles in the pictures. And again, I know these are like concepts, but I'm not

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>> I'm not again I'm not an architect, so I'm trying to figure out what the deal is with um >> I think if you look if you look in the two in the 1958 picture and you look in the 19 38 picture, there there are poles there. So, >> okay. So, you you're just trying to keep

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the poles that were already there. I think we just tried to create >> I don't know if they're there now. >> I don't either. >> No, they're definitely not there. >> And we don't have to put them in like, you know, >> I don't like need them. >> Okay. >> Again, this is just like, you know, to

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open the discussion, right? >> I know. I appreciate it. >> There's a lot there's a lot of work. >> Um, >> even though AI helps. >> I'm just going back to the plan. I don't know if I'm allowed to speak, but um there's a plant shade tree commission. you're talking about the plantings. I

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would go out and refer um to type of plants that in trees and trail >> from the shade tree commission. >> It's under the shade tree commission. There's another plant list suggested list. >> That's right. They brought that up in the zoning. >> It's on it's on I deal with them on all my approvals. They pick

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>> my engineers will pick 15 species. They hate 10 of them. Then we change them. They give their recommendation. But there is there. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I have been through that plenty of times. >> Okay.

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>> Um I tend to over plant because I like the greenery and I like to block >> the any neighbors from seeing what I'm doing. >> No, I think it's I think it's nice. I I think it's it's um it's great to have lots of of plantings. I think it's um

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Yeah. If you saw one of the renderings, it was different. >> We had the whole front basically. It looks like a garden. >> Yeah, >> that's really the idea that I >> I think that's what we'll probably bring like try to do is more of that. Like you guys said, no

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>> uh no um planter boxes or things of that nature. Everything will be ground planting, right? Natural. And then I think we'll introduce like really tight gravel or if you have a guidance on, you know, like the compacted gravel, if you will. I think that's probably the best

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thing to do here. >> Yeah, >> I I have feedback on the layout of the site. So, right, the way that this is drawn, it shows a smaller building kind of uh north and in front. And if there isn't a reason to have it there, I'd

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recommend moving it to the south. Um because uh the traffic that's passing on the perpendicular road. Like for example, if you get stopped at the traffic light there and you're facing see the building, >> right? Good idea. This that would be welcoming people to see, hey, there's

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something historic here. Come check it out. >> So we'll move it to the south side. >> Keep it out of the sight line would be my recommendation. and maybe closer to the property line where the railroad track is, >> right? >> So that it's kind of set back behind the the uh the actual depot. >> Easy. >> And we like that you're keeping the

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railroad tracks here, too, because you know they're there. >> Yeah. I'm going to try and restore the whole section, clean it up so it looks >> it looks better than what it does right now. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Anyone have any other questions or comments? >> I just have timing on the overall

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project. But where are you in like submissions for our next approval? >> Well, I think we have a meeting coming up >> in 10 days. We have our meeting. So depending >> with zoning or >> Yes. Well, yeah. >> plan approval.

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>> So depending on what happens there, which I think we're very close to, I think, you know, finalizing that if you will, at least our presentation, you know, there's >> so it's May 6 and then we only have testimony and then I think the site

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engineering has to um do go over some revision. >> It's months probably because of resolution compliance and so forth. But in the meantime, to answer your question, I mean, we could probably work on this >> any time. He he instructed us to get

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this done. So, I think we're ready now to have a client that we could talk to and say, "How do you want us to use the building?" We're already going to take your feedback now. I think it's going to help us tremendously, you know, and we'll create I think the foundation of that and then we just need to meet with your committee or how you want to handle

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that. >> I think we're almost like a little we I kind of create it's almost like we have like a little subcommittee kind of going on where we have neighbors, we have Barbara, we have and then I have to >> um solicit oneoff feedback. We can't have a meeting separately on this as a

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group because of quorum issues. So if we do talk about things like if we want to look at another set of plans again and you want to get all of us in it would just need to be like during this meeting just because the way the government works. >> I think we need to work well if I'm understanding correctly we'd like to work out a lot of the nuances

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beforehand. Yeah. And then if formal if you're saying formalizing it here 100 yeah we're happy to do that. >> I mean do you guys use like Zoom or Teams or anything like that? Are we allowed to do any of the meetings like that? So everyone is present but not present here to at least

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>> two of us. >> Yeah. So so at least we can share >> Oh yeah. >> all the for >> we do that all the time. >> As long as we can keep sharing all the progress so then when we come here it's basically just so we can get a unanimous understanding and then okay to move on.

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I think that'll help expedite >> uh the process. >> Definitely. So the se, if I may, sorry. The separate building, we were using that one photograph. Should we not mimic that building? >> Yeah, you don't need to. >> So we'll make a very

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standard or maybe >> standard bathroom building. Yeah, >> something. >> Okay, you wrote on it. >> Yeah, I did. I took notes. >> Okay. >> Okay, great. Um well I I I I really appreciate this

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uh discussion. I think um we are in a great place and I definitely um following this meeting I'll convey to the zoning board kind of what happened. I'll give them a summary of our discussion. Um thank goodness for AI we can take very easily easy notes and pass

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it on to them. Um but yeah I think we're working you know nicely collaboratively. We appreciate you working with us and we're very excited about this space. I think I appreciate you taking in the feedback from the neighbors and our feedback as well. And >> thank you. >> Um and yeah, we're super excited. Thank

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you. Thank you, Franco, for doing all this. >> Thank you. Great. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Okay. All right. So, this has been a very long exciting meeting. I can't believe it's already 8:30. Um going to go into old

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business. I'll try to go as quickly as possible. >> Do you want me to do the moing? Oh yes, we have minor and ordinary applications. Did you want to >> Sure. Yeah. Um sorry, this is a little bit confusing because I didn't get to reprint them after they were approved at

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the end of uh last week. Um so one cranberry neck road was the one that was discussed just at the beginning of this meeting. Um so that was approved. Um and then 54 North Main Street, another AC

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unit. um replacement and then actually 44 Maplewood. We had it on the agenda, but um Jennifer was comfortable um approving that on the back end because it was just on the back of an addition.

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>> You couldn't see it behind a hedge. Um >> yeah. >> Yeah. And then um the last one was just 109 North Main changing an existing gravel driveway to asphalt keeping the same footprint of the driveway >> and that was a non-contributing house in

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the um >> buffer >> and it was in the former buffer zone. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Um okay. So old business um we have the Hamlet and um designation. So, Brendan,

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did you want to give an update on the ordinance? >> Uh, yes. Uh, the township committee did a first reading of the ordinance that would remove the buffer, designate additional properties, and then adjust the chapter 93 design guidelines. Uh,

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the second reading is in early May. Um, so >> that's fantastic. >> Congratulations. >> Um, the Hamlet, I sent a note for the COE. I sent a note in to Lindsay uh from the state uh to try to have a follow-up

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meeting. I haven't heard back from her. I will follow up again to try to have conversation about next steps. Um in terms of sites outside in bullet two, uh historic sites and structures in our greater township for the CLG grant. I am

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excited to share that I submitted this. I thanks to Sue's help and then Lori showing me how to do it, I figured out the website and I submitted it in and so um I spoke with a gentleman at the state too. He he I seem to have um gotten

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everything um that they were looking for getting extra um we got four um bids for the thing and and the gentleman from the state was really glad we had that. Uh so um fingers crossed that there much of a range this year.

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>> That's what I was going to say. They seemed >> I think he said yes, there are a lot of Oh, they were all about the same. They were the same >> around like the 50. >> Yeah. The only thing is um we are we're we did the best that we can do and I I feel good about that. If we don't get it, it's because he did say that it's a

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similar situation as last year where there's a lot of applications in and very little money. >> Yeah. So, um hopefully because we didn't get it last year and we're showing again that like for real we really want it. Um hopefully we get it. And if we don't get it, I'm not taking it personally. We'll

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just keep at it. >> I'm glad to hear that it was the bids were close to 50 even with the addition of that uh uh indigenous peoples and black history information. So, >> yeah, I did I did say that to the gentleman. And I was like, you know,

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this is actually really worked out really well because we added more stuff and we're getting more work in and and I told him, I said, I think that some of these companies are probably not even making money off of our project because it's a lot of research. Um, so yeah. So,

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so that's that. Um, okay. 147 Plansboro Road, no updates, 1274 South River Road. I have some bad news. Um 1274 South River Road is is not going to move forward with getting moved,

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unfortunately. Um the owners spoke with our township administrator and I guess with our attorney and they deemed that there was too much to do, too much work, too many processes that they are not interested in moving it. Um, so

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unfortunately it's going to get demoed and the same thing goes with South River Road 1260 South River Road. The only thing I've heard is that it has to be demoed because it got flooded and um even the old part of it is is needs to

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be demoed. No, no point in saving it. Uh, so what I did do is I took the liberty. I um did a Google search um and I found um a huge list of um deconstruction companies and salvage companies and articles and guidelines

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for municipalities on this. I even learned that um some or um towns have ordinances that whenever you demolish a property, you have to salvage the parts first, which is actually a really great ordinance, I think, for environmental perspective.

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>> But Cranberry does not have that. >> I don't believe so. >> So, >> we should consider proposing it. >> So, yeah, I think we are we have advised I think we have pretty much said this multiple times. We are advising our

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township committee to not just blind raise the property and that there's opportunities for salvaging. Um, but I don't want to step out of my lane. So, >> so that's the best we can do right now

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is just to recommend to TC that >> there salvage as possible. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, Barbara, >> what's that? advising. Well, I have >> I think we're doing it right now.

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>> I'll let I have notes. >> I have my minutes that I send to you after this meeting, which I'll I can say that and then you can read it off in the meeting again. >> That works. I feel like we've said this already like 20 times, but maybe after 21 times it'll

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um and so um also yeah I will um I I do hope yeah we the list of resources that I sent on like please feel free to forward it on Barbara to the TC. Um, there are companies that are in the business of doing this, taking this

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stuff, even selling like old doors for people who are building new houses and yeah, it'd be really cool. >> Yeah. >> So, um, it would be also really great if we had an opportunity to document these properties before they get demolished.

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Um, and so especially if we own them, like it'd be nice for us to be able even like to go in and like take pictures. Um, maybe have Guy draw up the plans. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah, I think that would be good. You could could you replicate like or you or Sue could you guys like almost replicate like if you go in and kind of try to draw like what the plans were like in a rough way as a architect

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at least the footprint or >> Yeah. I mean there are ways to do that >> whatever we can do there are survey companies that you know can do it >> um digitally now. >> Exactly. Yeah. >> With laser scanning.

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and they just go in there and they take the scans. It's a, you know, it wouldn't, it would be a couple thousand dollars probably per house to do that. It wouldn't really be that expensive, but we'd have to, you know, get the funding to do that.

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>> Yeah. I I don't know if the current configuration of the interiors of these is as historically significant as the exterior >> um because it's been converted to the commercial purposes for >> and it might it might be enough just to

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photographically document it. >> Yeah. >> You know, just so there's a record >> and unfortunately the budget has been passed. >> Yeah. So someone with an iPhone can document it. >> Okay.

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So, I'll make >> When are they scheduled to demolish it? >> Uh, they've said that the one on um the senior housing they're making it they're demolishing June 1. June one it needs to be >> who? Okay. >> So, I would assume that means they're demolishing it June.

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>> So, which one is June 1? >> Victoria. >> And then I don't know about 1260 South River. I don't know what the timeline is. So we had proposed documenting 1274

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as part of our CLG grant. Correctly. Correct. So the documentation just think thinking out loud the documentation that we would have gotten from the consultant from the CLG grant

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would be some exterior photos and then a history >> right so if we can at least get exterior photos we will have at least accomplished that much and we can always fill in the history. >> That's true. That's true. Yeah. Yeah.

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Okay, I'll make a note of that and we can include that in our report in our advisory uh things for the TC photography. Um okay, next we have um public outreach.

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Um we have updating the website. Uh, so Emily, thank you so much for sending this on. Did you guys have a chance to um to look over Emily's ideas?

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I mean, I know I personally I agree with everything. I love them. I think they're fantastic. If we can do it, I think they're it would be a huge improvement to the website. What did you guys think? It seems doable. Um I guess the next

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question is you know is this sufficient to give to you know the the web master for the township um in order to make these changes. I guess I would I I think I think it is

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I guess a question Gina, do you think that we could set up a meeting with the web master and maybe Emily and um and Brendan to just talk through these and whether they're feasible or whether they're doable or not?

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>> Okay. So I when we write that down is we'll take that down as a followup is to schedule a discussion and what we do is going to figure out if these can be done from the web master's desktop and what type of resources it would require and

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time um and and take it from there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um >> that's great though. Thank you. >> Yeah. Really great ideas. I love putting the application right in the center section. I feel like, God, I wish I had

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thought of that. I mean, it should have been like that since the very beginning because that's why people go to the website. >> Do we have a how to file guide already or not? We've talked about it before. I don't know. >> We might need to like take the documents that we have and kind of like frame it.

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Yeah. >> Yeah. Make a graph or something. >> Okay. >> We could make like a little graphic in Canva. Yeah. like a checklist. >> Okay. Excellent. Um, okay. So, communication across committees, that's

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me and um for good. We're all all is well. Okay. Um, okay. Events. So, you guys for the Colonial Fair, the Colonial Fair is coming up and um where are we here? We

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had a whole bunch of ideas for um chachkis and uh where's my >> the 17th of May? >> 17th of May.

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>> I don't have my print out something. >> Do you have the list, Dina, by chance of the >> I I don't have mine and I printed everything out. I thought the day starts at 10. I don't know what time though. >> I know.

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>> I think there >> I think there's a speech and >> there's like a dedication. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I can find out too >> because I don't know when you're setting your table. >> We're gonna have to figure out all that.

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I don't know. >> Yeah. >> Do they have a table? >> They'll bring their own table. >> We will bring our own. >> Everybody brings their own. >> Oh, >> yeah. Yeah. Um Okay. So, I guess my

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question is if um All right, why don't we start with let's talk about the giveaways because I think that's the easiest thing because we should we need to probably figure this out for Cranberry Day and we have leftovers that we can use at the Colonial Fair from before.

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>> Um, but are there any of these ideas that you thought would be fun for us to do um at Cranberry Day? Um I I I had what did I had written down? I

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like the idea of like preserve cranberry stickers or something or um the idea of doing like um a sticker for kids that says like future historian or um

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something for the kids that that that kind of conveys the message of like um being historians like junior historian or something to that point. >> Yeah, I like that. like a sticker. >> Yeah. >> I I worked on something this down.

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>> Yeah. >> Is this the um the >> No. >> Oh, I love this. >> So, yes. So these two graphics um I made them to focus to to kind of highlight some of the projects that the HPC has

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done for the town recently. So you can see the one on the left is the gateway sign or evocative of the gateway sign. Uh and the one on the right you can see uh it's the historic street signage intersection of history and architecture.

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>> Um this can work really well on like a can cooler like because you can usually print on two sides. So we could put one of these on one side of like a neoprene like a koozie sort of thing. Yeah. >> So like um one on one side. >> I love that. >> That's what I was thinking.

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>> Or like a >> I like that idea. >> Do you want Do you know Can you ask your person about how much it would be to do koozies? >> Sure. >> That's cool. I love I love this design. >> When do we need these for for Cranberry? >> September. Cranberry Day.

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>> September. for cranberry cake, >> but not for >> No, we'll use our >> I think our buttons we have leftover buttons. I think the buttons are going to be great for the colonial fair and we have leftovers for that. So then this would be our new item.

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>> How many of these would we want? >> What did we do? >> What did we do with the tape measures and the buttons? So we do quantities of these buttons. I want to I want to say the buttons. I don't know if you

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remember feel like it was like 300 or 500 something like that. >> It wasn't five because we had to get less to make the budget work. >> I think it was like 300. >> I think that's right. You guys >> What would the budget be? >> The budget is around like 500.

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>> Okay. Then we'll work with that. I do like neoprene more than the um than the like the the other foam. Uh the neoprene holds up better. And also if it's screen printed, I think the neoprene will take the uh ink better.

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>> Brendon, this is so creative. I love my street signs. Like I'm just I love this. I think this is so cool. Okay. So, and then maybe guy like um maybe you can show this like ask your

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friend about the koozies and then if he >> see if he also has or she has any other ideas of like >> um anything else like that would be, you know, if there's something of a different popular items that you know

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would use these graphics like um >> um yeah, >> I don't know about like I always like reusable water bottles, but those might be more too expensive. >> Those are going to be too expensive. >> Yeah. Or the shopping list pads with magnets. Those might be too expensive.

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But >> well, let me find out about first >> or notepads. Yeah, I like the >> This can be We can do blackies. >> I think black works well for for this.

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and the the graph. If you were to invert these as dark on a light color, I think the gateway sign would work. I don't think the street sign works very well as at least the way I've designed it doesn't work very well. >> Yeah, I I think it really only works light on. Isn't it cool? Even just as a

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postcard, like it's so cute. I love it. >> Original artwork. >> I do. I can >> I can export it in as a vector graphic. Yeah. Yeah. Uh if we do do coolies uh koozies can coolers um some of the manufacturers let

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you print something on the bottom. Uh and actually the reason I even had the idea to do >> logo >> well I was give this is like um preserve your cool but if if uh if there is a kind of a a

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spot at the bottom that's something we could consider. Um, but I don't know. >> Preserve your call. I love it. >> So, are we going to do any giveaway uh additional giveaways for May 17th or

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stick with our buttons, which apparently are in demand, so >> I think we stick with the buttons. We don't have time to order anything else. Okay. >> But in terms of our table, Brendan had the coolest idea, you guys. And I was so excited about it. I started telling

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people already. I hope you can you present it. No, you >> go ahead. >> Basically, the idea is like to create like um take a map of cranberry, like print out a map of cranberry and I can

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do it at Staples, right? And you put in like little dots on the map for where um just random dots. And then what you do is you take like a p you take a picture of a structure that

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has been moved from one place to another and people are supposed to like show like move put where it had originally been on the map with the dots. Am I saying it correctly?

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>> Yeah, it sounds more interactive than than what I had imagined, but it sounds fun. Uh no just um so relevant to the the cottage that's being dedicated which was moved across there there are a number of structures in cranberry that have been moved and more so than

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probably most people realize and >> like Linda Morgan's house >> like the American hotel. >> Yeah. >> Um then you thought >> there's one on South Main that's uh is it I forget the street number but the right next to Heritage Park was

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previously south of Trenton. >> Yeah. Um, so would you just highlight those on the map? >> I think just for information. >> Yeah, I mean helping people understand like, you know, here's where it was. Here it here's here where here where here it is now. A photo of what it looks like >> when it was moved.

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>> Something. >> That's awesome. >> I think that'd be good. >> I don't have a plan for how to make any of that. I just I don't >> So yeah. So the question is Yeah, I know. And Sue, you're really creative with with the game. I have the re I'm

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good at like getting the printouts done at Staples and >> Well, do we want to print out a basic map and then just kind of apply these items to it? >> I could do like sticker dots on from where they were.

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>> Are they all in the historic? Like are they all included in the survey? I guess like is the one near Heritage Park included in the survey? Is it buffer or is it >> It is okay. So, we have a an an image.

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Let me think about it. >> Yeah. >> So, why don't we have maybe we have like a little zoom. Um >> Yeah. >> Like in a week like have a think on it and then like let's get together and maybe like the three of us have like a little Zoom >> and are we allowed to do that?

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>> Three. Two. >> Two. >> Two. >> Two. >> Yeah. We're down to two. Could you guys have a zoom and then and then I will take care of >> your house has that? >> I'll take care of the staples printout compartment part of it.

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>> Okay. Of the basic map. Yeah. Yeah. I think Yeah, I think that's fine. And then we can apply. >> If you just meet at the cranberry and you don't tell anybody it's an official meeting, can you do that? >> Feel like we should do that tonight after this meeting.

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Um, cool. All right. So, okay. I think we've got a plan. And, um, we have our banner from before. I have a I own a um a a tent, >> right? >> I own tables. I may not be there, which

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is the problem >> because I think I'm going to be in coming home from Colorado. Um, >> but our I I'll be around. >> No, >> I won't be I won't be at the Colonial

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Fair. >> We don't have to technically fill out one. We've been filling them out all along. We don't >> Did you say >> But yes, I did. >> You're around. You're not. >> I'm around for Cranberry Day. >> That's not what we're talking.

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>> But not the Colonial Fair Colonial Fair. No, we could also >> I may not be around for colonial fair either. >> My sister's coming into town. >> Hold on now. Hold on. >> Unless I drag her to colonial day.

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>> Fair is actually working on a very nice collaboration between the business doing it together. >> I know. And I'm not going to be there because it's I'm not coming home from Colorado until the 19th,

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right? The fair is on the 17th. >> Yes. >> Uh May 17th. >> Yeah. So I won't be there, which is a problem. >> I'll be >> Are you able to

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hold up the table? Um, and Brendan >> for some of it >> there the whole time. >> Oh my god. >> Oh, that's a great idea. Are they doing a table?

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>> Oh, I love that. >> I don't know. like you know so if people want to walk away just >> that have storm water >> okay >> I have a Zmail if you need it

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>> okay >> is there room at the uh chips table to give them our map that we're making chips Who's Bobby? Who's running the chips table? >> Steve. >> Oh, Stephen. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. Um, but Brendan, you you're available but not for the whole time, >> which is fair. Okay. And then Bobby, you're not available at all because you are association. >> Yeah. No. Okay. And then Sue, you're not

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you're not I'm not Okay. So, Brendan, we're not going to make you do the whole thing. >> Um >> Yeah. I'm wondering if >> Yeah. >> where if the focus is actually this, you know, helping people understand the the history of the buildings that were moved

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and everything. If that Yeah. So it I'll I'll spend as much time as I can at whatever table has room for that thing, but I don't think we have to have as maybe as much of a present as we do on cranberry day. >> I mean it can be self-explanatory would be the goal, right? To kind of just

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describe it. and >> I thought I saw a schedule somewhere what's happening when, but I don't remember where. >> Okay. And we may maybe we can find some volunteers. Um >> I'll let's we'll have a think about

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this. Um, maybe we don't need to be there the whole time either. Um, or we can share. I love the idea of sharing with the the environmental table. Maybe just, you know, piggybacking on. Um,

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so that's a great idea, Barbara. >> Okay. I don't know. I don't know who's in charge of that commission. Who's in charge of the commission? >> John. >> John. >> I have his email. >> Okay. All right, I'll reach out to him. >> I mean, it's self-explanatory. So, if you walk away, at least there's someone

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that can just watch over >> our art project >> with yarn and glue. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. We'll figure it out. I mean, I think we know this is this is an ad hoc. Anything we do is beyond what we've ever done

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before. We will, of course, do an awesome job on Cranberry Day 2. Let's have a think too about what we do for Cranberry Day. Um, our activity. Um, and I' I'll pull up the list again. We can look at the list of ideas for for next

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uh time. But I'm I think we've made some great progress today on Trotchks, which that's we needed to do way ahead of time. Um, one other public outreach item is that Bobby and I had a really great meeting with the library director and

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um, we talked about um, doing some cross promotion of that cranberry collection because they are open to adding to it with us providing suggestions on the books. We wouldn't pay for them. They they buy their books.

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>> So, in a way it's going to be it will be nice. They are keeping the books. They're not going to the books are are they they they they understand the books that they have that are historic preservation books, the importance of them. And they actually gave us an entire um bibliography of every book

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that's in that cranberry collection. You guys will be surprised to see some of the stuff that's in there. Like there's some really cool stuff. Yeah. I will send it to you guys. >> It seems like a 180 degree turn from where things were. >> I think we're we're you know sitting

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down and It's great. >> Yeah, I think it's it's always good to talk in person. >> Happened. >> Yeah, I think talking in person is always so good. I'm Yeah, I'm a Facebook person. I'm glad you >> That's excellent. >> Um and >> and we had talked also about um I think

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it was Brendan's idea to promote the books on the website. >> Exactly. >> That way. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then we also um talked to her um and I just sent her today the list of the books that are recommended for children from the Heritage Trust

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Heritage. Um and so hopefully she'll take that under consideration. I know one of them is already in their circulation, the Little House. So um hopefully, you know, they'll be open to that. And then we're talking about doing maybe some programs. She had a lot of ideas of programs. Uh right now we're a

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little busy, but maybe if we free up later on this year, we can kind of work with her on some stuff. >> What were some of the ideas? >> Oh, she had some really cool ideas. Um do you remember >> the the thing about the programs is though we have to plan them way out in advance like because they are very busy

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with lots of programs um and people conceptual. >> Yeah. But she she had some great cool ideas, things that I hadn't thought of that involve us um and uh and the library and and you know having people come by and having us educate people on

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like doing like a Q&A on so you bought a historic house like that kind of thing where it doesn't require as much Yeah. It doesn't require as much um preparation on our part, you know. Um but it allows us to um you know do

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public outreach and and support the community. So if you guys are open to that, we can maybe schedule a followup with her later on this summer. >> Cool. Um okay, last we have other business. Um

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town hall doors. >> Um guy, did you want to give an update? Well, I emailed again the guy at the the door in store and he reiterated what he said. He had told us before, which is that they can't do it themselves, but

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that you can have someone carpenter or whatever install it. It will void the warranty of the doors. So, at this point, I did find a source for for molding that could be applied. It's made for that purpose.

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>> Perfect. >> Um, I think I had mentioned the price last time. I mean, it's >> like 250 bucks. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, probably under $500 for sure, depending on >> final pricing, but we have to figure out

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how to get it installed. And so, I don't know if that can be done by um the township or whether we have to hire a carpenter or I don't know. So that has to be determined.

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>> Okay. Is that something >> public works able to do something like that? >> Barbara, is that something we could ask public works about is saying like, listen, we found a material. It's only like it's under $500. It just needs to be installed.

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>> Okay. >> Okay. So I think we would have to have an outside >> hire somebody. >> Yeah. I think that will be the thing. I don't think you want someone that >> Yeah. >> No, it should be done professionally. >> It should be professionally

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last time. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, could we have this added to um I'm sure there's um a list of, you know, like something like if that light breaks in town hall. >> Yeah. Like um someone like a list of um

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for the town to >> do this because I know that that email went out, but I wanted the meeting to happen before I bring it forward. >> Okay. >> Oh god. What material did you find to be a good material for that?

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>> It's actually wood, but it's finished. >> Okay. >> Um, >> I looked for Azac or problem with that. >> You can't get a grain with the graining

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to match the doors. So, I found something >> the color and everything like it would just need to be installed, not painted, not stained. >> It would right. They would just need to be cut and installed. >> The only thing I'm worried about is with wood, it also it's going to require a

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maintenance plan and >> well, it's finished wood. It's not like it's polyurethane. >> Okay. Okay. >> Okay. All right. So, we'll take that as a followup. And maybe Barbara, if you could follow up with the um the folks in

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that handle the maintenance of town hall. Um okay. Um any updates on commission training? >> Training? >> No. >> No. >> Okay. Um I have uh any new homeowner

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letters? >> No new homeowner letters. >> Um I have some exciting news. Um, we have a new committee member who is um stepped up to volunteer in the committee. Her name is Carol Hamlin and

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um Lisa has already reached out to her to um offer to appoint her. Uh Guy and I had a um a Zoom with her um and uh she um has been a resident of Cranberry for many years. Um, she has expertise in

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English and she's very detail- oriented, which we thought was funny given that she's taking, you know, in a way Dave Zabbo's spot, you know, someone who uh will look at our minutes and have edits. >> She professes well, she's an English

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major, so she said she's a good writer and a good editor and very detail oriented. So, that was good. >> And her husband is a an historian. >> Yeah. So she's not an architectural historian, but just a historian. So she's definitely she always is looking

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at things from that perspective, too. >> Yeah. So I think that um it'll be great to have another um another perspective in the committee and um I know she was going to try to come tonight, but um I guess she wasn't able to make it, but um we will check in with her and uh and

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bring her up to speed. So that's >> will that will that raise our quorum up to three? >> It's three right now. >> Okay. So, it doesn't change that >> because we because we take five votes

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and three isn't uh Yeah, it won't change that. There's still only five votes. >> Yeah. >> You can still have a vote. >> So, she's going to be a um not an alternate, right? She's going that we

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were recommending her as a full full >> member member, >> right? Um the last thing is just I guess a reminder is that we have um we're reading off our um report at then I think the next town meeting

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>> and I'm not able to be there but um >> that's next Monday the 27th. >> I thought Sue and I were doing it. >> Yes. And so you guys have the report um >> somewhere before Mondaygo. >> Yes, I know. But yeah, >> would you do me a favor just so it's at

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the top of my email do that? That much appreciate. >> Yeah, I'll do that tomorrow. >> So, thank you for doing that. >> Yeah, >> coordinate how we want to split it. >> Yeah, >> every other sentence. I just want to add that um how the township is handling the

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Revolution New Jersey events and all these events that are coming up. We kind of like keep like you have a list but as they come up like that month that's when they're being posted. So we're not posting the entire all the events that are happening. >> Yeah. As come up.

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>> And then I put the um I I made a website request with the Colonial Fair flyer, but I'm probably the 10th person who's done it. Um but hopefully um >> in the mayor's email. Yeah. The challenge

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>> Yeah. The challenge I have every time I put that in those web postings in it's like you hit the post and then it just like the page changes and it's sort of like did it go inirect?

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I think >> I think so. >> It does, but it's like it's like you don't know if he got, you know, I'm so I guess in other like I know in my business when my customers submit something, I have it programmed to say send a thank you note back and or and

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there's like a popup that shows up you submitted like but hopefully it went through. Um, and yeah, I I mean I'm I can try to when I know about events like a month out, just submit that little website thing.

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Um, cool. Um, any other Should we go into minutes at this point, guys? Okay. All right. Um, I had a comment on page four,

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threearters of the way down Hamlet Historic District Certificate of Eligibility. Um, it said uh she stated second sentence she stated that she was thinking about asking Andrea who's researching the Hamlet. So that's uh

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kind of vague. So can we I think the research was just done by the New Jersey like the Shipo office. >> Yeah, Shipo. That's a good idea. Shipo. Yes. >> Uh, actually I read that sentence as

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insert who it was asking Andrea who it was that was researching the Hamlet. Is that what that was meant to convey? >> Asking shipa who was researching. >> Right. So I wasn't. Yeah. I read it as Andrea who's researching the hamlet. >> It's all about commas. Right. >> Yeah.

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>> That was the intent I had. Um. >> Yeah. Okay. And you can put Andrea Tingi downrea which Andrea we're talking about I n g e y >> that's right and it wasn't Lindsay I

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wrote I reached out to I did reach out I hope I reached out to Lind maybe that's what I why I didn't get a response >> maybe I reached out to Lindsay not Andrea it's supposed to be Andrea >> CLG >> I used an email of the person when that

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I had in my inbox about CLG >> I'll double They are they do they work there's a new person who was supposed to be taking over CLG and I just I can't remember her name but >> this isn't CG this is COE not CLG

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>> this is a different group >> okay >> um I'll double check >> um okay or we could just say the state the shipo that was for me.

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>> Okay. >> All right. And now we're >> make a motion to accept the minutes. >> Sounds good. >> Second. >> All right. Roll call for the March 17th minutes. Miss Sutmire, >> yes. >> Mr. Guyer, >> yes. >> Mr. Hull, >> yes. >> Miss Ryan, >> yes.

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>> And Miss Marlo, >> yes. Okay. >> Thank you. Motion passed. Okay. public comment. >> Okay, moving on. >> Okay, discussion. Nothing. Okay, I'm going to make a motion to adjurnn.

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Second. All in favor say I. I. >> All right. Thank you.