All right, we're going to get started. This Historic Preservation Commission meeting is being held on March 17, 2026 at 7 p.m. Statement of adequate notice pursuant to the Sunshine Law. Adequate notice in ordinance with the Open Public Meetings Act was provided on January
5th, 2026 of this meeting's date, time, and location. The agenda was mailed to the Cranberry Press and Home News Tribune, posted on the township bulletin board, mailed to those requesting personal notice, and filed with the municipal clerk. Roll call and volunteer
hours, please. Miss Sutmer, >> uh here um eight. >> Okay, Mr. Guyire is coming soon. Mr. H >> here. Four hours. >> Four. Miss Ryan
>> here. Three and a half. >> Three and a half. And Miss Marlo. >> Okay. Okay. And Dr. Rogers is here and Miss Yan. Okay. We have a quorum chair. Okay. Fantastic. Welcome everyone. This is a super exciting meeting. Happy
Thanks St. Patrick's Day everyone. This is a great opportunity to talk about history today. Um we have some exciting applications um big projects coming forward and then of course we are digging into our four our three goals that we have for this year we've
organized the agenda based on our new goals. Um and it's and just before we even get into any of this just for everyone who's watching um we have exciting things going on with the celebration of history in our town. We
have um an upcoming exhibit uh um event coming up on April 17th at the Cranberry Inn, which is a called Burgers, Beers, and Backstories. That's happening on April 17th. There's going to be a lecture at the library on April 29th.
And then May 17th, there's going to be an East Jersey cottage dedication and lecture and a colonial fair. So, we have a lot of exciting things coming up um in the world of history in Cranberry. And with that, what we're going to do is hop into our applications. And we have our
first application, which is 75 North Main. And this is windows, roof, and siding replacement. I uh spoke with uh one of the property owners last night. Thank you so much for u speaking with me. I downloaded um the committee as
well on what we discussed and uh we look forward to meeting you. Welcome to Cranberry. >> Um if you wouldn't mind just coming up. Um don't be nervous or shy. This is we're among friends and neighbors. Um, but if y'all could just come up and um say your name and your address, right?
>> Okay. >> Good evening. Uh, my name is Miko Abbe. I'm a co owner of 75 North Main Street. And um another corner my husband Sh a cannot be here because of his business
trip today uh but maybe he's watching on YouTube and uh this is Arie Blazinger our contractor and he will assist me for explain uh explaining
uh our plan. >> So sir would you be able to give us an overview of your project? Yes. >> Would you be able to >> Would you be able to take us through your project? um changing the windows
because we have a lot of lead paint and some part of the house. We would like to remove some siding and replace with the cedar siding and uh the roof is leaking and compromises some places and we would like to put the new roof
shingles nothing change. We have to keep the the sophets and the same design in the house and we're replacing the windows with the same uh design the same size windows.
Um so where um where should we begin? Do we want to start by talking about each component? Like do we want to start by talking about why don't we start by talking about the roof maybe? >> Yeah, >> let's start with the roof and then we
can talk about the um siding, the porch uh roof and then the windows >> and also we have our uh roof guy here. >> Oh, fantastic. >> Hi, how are you? Come on by. >> So chair that would be really great.
>> Another chair. So, um, so my understanding is that the roof is asphalt shingles and is that the entire roof asphalt shingles right now? >> Okay. And um you are going to be
removing the asphalt shingles. And is there repairs also needed in the subroof as well? I saw that there's a new rubber membrane you're looking to put on. Of course, are you going to be making any repairs to the subroof?
>> Uh the the picture roof we got to use the as shingles, the same one. >> Okay. This is the one there and the flat area in the lower roof. So, we're going to use like a rubber >> rubber membrane. Okay. So, there's an area that's flat and you're going to replace it with rubber. Is it rubber right now?
>> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. And you're going to replace it uh with the same shingles in kind. >> Yeah. We only use like architect shingles. The same one. Now, it's got
like the two taps, you know, the old sty almost the similar. The same one. >> Okay. I'm sorry. You said almost the the same >> similar because you're not going to use the the architecting the timber line. >> Now it's got like three tabs over there.
>> Okay. I'm sorry. Could you speak a little slower? >> Say they're going to use timber line. >> Timberline. Okay. >> And right now it's three tab shingles. Is that correct? Yes. >> Okay. >> So, that sounds right. >> Okay. So, All right. So, and the same
color. And are you familiar with um so I guess for both of you gentlemen have you reviewed the town's um design guidelines that we have on our website? >> We don't.
>> Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um Okay. So, one ask I would have is if you guys could just document the shingles that you're going to be using,
the the make and and and model. I um >> pardon, >> the texture or or the >> brand, >> the brand, >> the brand, the color. Yeah, we don't have any. Um, usually when
people do these applications, they put in like we're going to be replacing it with XYZ and XYZ. Um, just so we can make sure that it's a material that's going to be um comparable uh with, you know, our design
guidelines as such. >> Okay, we're going to use like a GF. The brand is going to be GF. G AF. Okay. >> EG EGF. >> EGF. >> No, G GF. It's >> GF. >> Timberline is type
>> and what color of the timber line? >> Oh, the color is going to be like the one is there now. It's like a light color. So, it's going to be >> No, I think the color is going to be like um oyster gray. >> Oyster gray. >> Yeah, because that's the similar. I mean
I I think it would be good if you could >> close to the one that now there. >> Yeah. I mean it would be good if uh you could provide a sample. You know they have sample boards of all these materials. So you could put a sample in show which >> even a picture from the website like um
they could do like >> you know You can take it away. I mean I do I do think you need to be specific about >> Can we show it to you? >> Um we have >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure.
>> You know the most about >> Yeah. You say this going to be the >> gray. Okay. Yeah, it looks um >> it's kind of a medium gray. >> Yeah,
>> personally I think that'd be fine. >> Okay, so it's comparable. >> Yeah, >> thank you. Um Okay, so uh do you guys have any other comments about the roof for the roofing
contractor? Now in the Now in the flat area, we're going to use like a white rubber. >> White rubber. >> Yes. Because white already there >> because white I'm sorry. >> White's already there. >> It's already there. Yeah. >> So I try to match with the same one.
>> And that flat section is in the rear of the building. Is that right? >> Yes. It's around there on the front porch. What's on the front porch? >> The porch and the back side. Also the porch the porch in the front by the side the street the flat area
through the see there's no picture. >> Yeah it's hard to see. >> We don't have picture >> of the old one. >> Yeah because this is the old This is the Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's the >> Can I show you the the existing because
we took some pictures? >> Sure. >> Sure. >> It's a white. Yeah. >> All documented white. >> Okay. >> That doesn't look white. >> Yeah, it looks kind of not grayish. >> Gray.
>> It's really white. Like white and as in >> Yeah. Why? But they're just dirty. No, because I don't know how that's why you look like a grade. >> Okay. >> You don't have anything. >> Do you think that they were just doing something just random back then when
they were doing what they were doing? Is it like obate material? The flat the flat roofs are all on the back of the house, right? >> No, at the front porch. >> It looks like it's got a little bit of a slope. >> There's a slope to it.
>> I'm surprised it doesn't have shingles on the front porch. >> It's too flat. It would >> You cannot go under certain R because water cannot go under here. >> This resolution is not good. They use that silverish white. It's
special >> material because it's reflects a lot of heat. It doesn't just like a black. So, yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. You can tell it's not black from looking at the picture here. >> Yeah. No, I don't. It's not black, but it >> it's not bright white either.
>> Not bright white. >> No, they this this been used everywhere lately. I had just a little bit that stuff. What what's the material that you're using? What's it >> rubber? >> Is it rubber? Like a foam? >> We we going to use like a little phone
in the bottle like a half an inch, you know, in the bottle before I put the sheet on. >> Okay. Yeah, this is the one you see it's got already. >> Yeah, you can. Yeah, we have a picture with a previous job. You would
like to take a look. This is >> No, this the house then. >> Oh, this the house. Oh, >> that's the take a picture. >> This is the full the full room. >> The front porch. >> Oh, it' be helpful to see. Yeah, it's cuz we're just we're trying to looking at this little pictures really close. >> This is the front porch.
That's where >> that's the deck of >> That's the roof. The top. >> It is. >> It's like a silver white. >> Oh. how it is >> rubber moon and it gets it looks like that. Okay. >> Yeah. Somebody use like a torch now.
>> Yeah. >> Put like a silver co. >> Okay. >> So, you're going to put a silver coat over this too. >> Now, we're going to use the ground the one to match with this. >> Okay. So, you're going to use a rubber membrane. Is that what you're using? >> Yes.
>> Okay. With welded seams and all that. I don't know if I have a problem with that. The house is white. I don't think you want. >> That's okay. >> Does anyone have any other comments on the roof? >> Well, let's >> Okay.
>> Okay. So, I think that um I think we feel good about how what your plan for the roof. Okay. >> Um I would just um ad advise you with the roof when you're replacing this roof. Uh just remember this is a historic home.
>> Um you know be careful if you're um replacing the roof and there's any components that are adjacent to the roof or tied to the roof. Um they shouldn't be removed or disturbed without
contacting us first. Um, and you know, you just have to be really careful because, um, you know, with these historic homes, when you do one thing, sometimes it can trigger a chain reaction >> to other things. And we're trying to
look out for the homeowners and their timeline and everything. So like if you have any issues when you're working on the roof um you know we also help with e if there's an emergency situation we can relook at what you need to do um you
know quickly without having to come to this meeting. So rather than if you find something that's broken or rotted or something rather than just ripping it out um you know like contact us so we can kind of take a look at it and figure out you know that
>> because it's hard to tell what's compromised under the membrane maybe some issue but of course >> I thought I mean I really reflected a lot on your situation because what is keeping me up um is truly with this
project is y'all doing something and it causes that chain reaction. Um, you take up the roof, you see that, oh, underneath there's not enough insulation or maybe the insulation is the wrong color. Then you end up needing to change
the insulation and then the insulation um is not in the right place and then you find that the beam underneath is not the same way because it's a historic house and everything gets and then before you know it uh what started as a roof replacement becomes like too many
other projects and that's why I'm trying to look out for the homeowners and like also for us in historic preservation we try to you know keep everything intact as much as we can. >> Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Okay, cool. I'll get off my soap box.
>> Um, >> okay. So, let's talk about >> question about >> Yes. >> You know, the lower roof and the back side also lower and the back side of the house didn't got that already. You know, the the aluminum >> and probably all those gar bended. So,
maybe I going to replace with the same one. It's five inches that you know the regular one, the the same one. >> Yes. And and it's fine for us especially what really matters most to us is what you can see from the front of a house. >> The street view. >> The street view. >> Yeah. Yeah. So um so yeah I think as you
as you are in the back. >> Oh okay. Okay. >> All right. Cool. Um okay. So let's should we talk next about the siding? >> Yes. >> Okay. Leave the windows to last. >> So let's talk about the siding. Um and what you guys found. I see that you
found lead paint on the siding. Um, so are you still looking to replace all of the siding? >> No, just one section right side of the house. >> Somebody left the old siding over there
doesn't when they I think several years ago they added an addition. >> Okay. >> And the siding doesn't even line up with the with another one like 2 in. Yeah. >> And also we we spoke to with the painter and because it's a lot of lead paint, we
have to use the vet. >> Yes. >> Uh paint remover, but takes so much time and lot the woods are so bad. So we just decided if it's possible we can take that section off, replace with the cedar
siding and just paint it because even moneywise going to be cheaper than playing with the with the lead paint because you have to cover everything. The the chemical for a wet paint it's just like couple of hundred dollars each gallon and you have to cover the whole
thing for overnight with the blanket. Cover everything. Comes with a headmet suit. So take a lot of uh scrapping scraping and and a lot of paint remover. So we decided just if possible we can do the same cedar siding >> 4 inch exposure line up with another one
and just paint put the new paint. >> Okay. And >> rest of the house is okay. But this section I think because between the the two houses >> and it's older because the when they did the addition they added >> regular siding and this is the oldest one but they just kept adding paint and
paint and paint and it just so difficult to remove and going to the paint remover going to cost more than replacing the >> you can't just paint over it and try to encapsulate because there's already so much paint on there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you for explaining. what they're planning. If they're going to
resite it and align all the siding with the other existing sighting, that'll be even better. That'll be better. I think you can see that on the pictures. >> Yeah, we see it. No, we see it. Even though given you know how we have to have an addition supposed to look a little different like
>> there's still going to be a seam there. You'll you'll notice you'll see that there there's an addition. >> That's true. Yeah. >> And the and the roof line changes too. >> Yeah. So between that seam and the corner for the street that's that's the section we have to change and
>> leave the seam there. >> Yeah, we cannot do anything just into it anyway. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um and then you're replacing it with cedar. Okay. All right. So we do we feel comfortable with this? Okay. All right. Great. Okay. Cool. All right. Last part
is the fun part, the windows. So So my understanding from the application, you're looking to replace 11 windows. >> Okay. Uh, I'm sorry. 13. >> 13 windows. So that's all the windows in the whole house. >> No, >> no, >> no.
>> Is it? Um, >> I think was some was replaced before because we find three windows. I don't know. Was >> Oh, that were broken or whatever. >> Broken and we had lot and and also the the kitchen has a 5x6 or 5 by8 Yeah.
>> bay window or >> the one with the awning on top of it. Is that the kitchen window? Yeah. >> Excuse me. >> The kitchen window is the one with the fold down aing on it. >> Yes. >> Yes. The back. Okay. >> Okay. So, >> and that's not included, but we just
discovered because when we had that cold and hot weather back to back, I think the seal is broken because a lot of moisture got in. >> Okay. >> But this is not in this budget. So, that's because one large size and a two side window. That's for the kitchen.
It's not a bay window, but a bay window type of >> Okay. And then the uh just so I understand um I see here where it says three windows three windows the so this the east side let's talk about the east side first that's the easiest right the
east side is not visible from the street so >> the east >> well not >> you're looking at a different picture >> this picture says east side but it's not >> this one says east side >> looking East.
>> So, is it north then? No, it's not north. It's going to be It's the back >> that would be facing the west side. >> East side. >> The east side is facing Main Street. >> No windows. >> So, it's the west side. >> If you're facing the house, I don't know which is east. The right side of the the
house or we going to change the siding is no windows only in the left side. >> Okay. So, then this is the >> driveway. That's the driveway. >> That's the west. It's the west side. >> West. Okay. So, the west side, which is technically the back of the house, >> those three windows, y'all can do
whatever your heart's content. >> Um, we are happy. You want to make, you know, you want to put in whatever you want, you can do whatever you want. Stained glass, whatever. Um, >> um, okay. So, that's that is thing south. What we have the three windows on
the south side. Those are visible, correct? From the street, >> right? Because >> Yeah, >> you're on the you can see it from coming up and then the front. Okay. So, I guess the first the first question is
um being replaced. >> Yeah. >> Yes. This is the new one. Uh not old type of window, >> right? >> So they changed the second flooring of one of four over one.
>> They did gradings of four over one. >> Yeah. >> I mean it's very inconsistent around the house because there's two over twos. There's four over nothing. >> One over one,
four, two over two. >> But they're they're propo you're proposing to do the um six over six grids or there's one picture that shows a six over nothing and another that shows six
over six. So I don't know which one's going where. We need windows. >> These are this most important thing for for this that's that's yeah these are I know these are details that don't you may not be on your radar but
these are the things that we look at going to be in front of >> six over six on the front facing the street. Yes. >> Okay. >> Cuz that's the way they set up. I think in the back only six and the bottom six over, you know, the bottom is doesn't
have grill and the front get six. Six over six. I'm going to look. >> What kind of picture? >> Were they >> It look is it inside? Is the divider on
the inside of the glass? >> Yes. It's flat. >> Yeah, it is. >> Well, I'm not sure if they So, are the are the dividers the the buttons, they're called buttons. Are they are
they snap in from the inside or are they in between the two layers of insulated glass or how are they applied >> between the two glasses? They're between the two >> two glossy. Yeah. >> Not removable. >> No, they're not. So they're built in.
They're between the two layers. So it's easy to clean. >> So that's better. I would prefer that anyway. So >> versus >> I don't know how flat they are. I mean, they're they're going to be the thickness of the of the glass um cavity
pretty much. >> There's no I mean, they don't have any >> documentation. They don't design themselves. >> No. Yeah. >> What what's the manufacturer of the Is it this silver line? I don't know what that >> that's Anderson.
>> It's Anderson and Silver Line and they >> have some shape to it. Mhm. >> more traditional style >> and while they're researching the windows. >> Yeah. >> Um because Yeah. because we we would like to have the documentation and the
application of like kind of like with the roof like the type of window and the type of >> you know those details. It helps us because um we like to keep a record of like what we approve because then sometimes a future homeowner will come and say I'm looking to do what my
neighbor did or you know and then you can refer back. >> Um so the let's talk a little bit about replacing all of the windows. Like I see that they have I know they have I see they have lead paint and it's it's cracking and that's um I know that's
concerning obviously because you don't want kids like you know >> and just water gets in time to time and some where the frames are very soft. You can I can put my finger into the wood and somebody did a terrible job. They just painted over >> some window cannot even open because
it's glued to it. >> Okay. So they there's absolutely no operational. And >> the thing is is what worries me again is that you guys are going to rip out these windows and um you know it's going to cause that
chain reaction and then they're going to end up you know finding more things and then they'll be back here looking to do this and that. And you know, if instead could you just especially if the paint you have to get on a has you know a you have
to have a fan anyway to rip them out, right? Because you're going to be disrupting lead paint. It's going to get in the air. It's going to be dangerous. It's going to get on the ground. >> Um you know, you're going to have to go through that whole abatement process.
um flat, >> you know, would it be smoother not to disrupt what's there and retain the existing wood windows in any shape or form so that you don't um end up you know causing any chain reactions as you
will like if there is any of them that you can >> retain even the ones in the front of the house are the ones in the front of the house the ones that are majorly broken? Yes, I I can get more exposure from the We took some pictures. It's especially
at the bottom >> because the single glass windows ped down, you know, the moisture, the humidity, the whole frame is rotted. It just that's that's the problem. The new windows are double sealed windows, thermal windows, so they don't use lot lose a lot of heat and it's a winter
time, summer time is more efficient. But this is the older window, single glass and the sweat. All the sweating was came down in the frame, you know, the humidity and just destroyed the the and probably people just kept adding paint and paint and paint. >> Yeah. >> But they never cut they never took out
the paint and which is window just stays together. >> Okay. >> I mean to me I mean the windows look like they're in pretty bad shape so I can't argue with the >> Okay. replacement the um the
manufacturer's product information. Um I mean it looks like an ice window. There are various options for the for the grills um the divided grills. And I don't know
which one you have cuz it's hard to tell, but there's I'm guessing it's either the flat profile or the contour profile of the dividers which are in between the two layers of of glass. Do you know is it the flat or the contour?
Because the contour I think would be much more preferable and appropriate. >> Yeah. Looking more historic, especially in the front of the house to >> give it just a little more of the picture, a little more detail. the the pictures you have of the windows
here don't really indicate or don't give enough indication of what those >> I think because between the two glasses I don't think a lot of details on it because they cannot >> but there are two options that they have in their manufacturers's information one
is a flat kind of a bar >> which has no detail to it at all and the other which is called the contour profile has at least a little profile to it that will give it a shadow line and make it look a little more real, you know, like a real divided light.
>> Um, for me, I would that would be much pre more preferable than just the flat bar. >> Yeah, 100%. >> And and a little little more historic. I mean, we're already, you know, we're already moving from wood windows to vinyl >> vinyl, which has been usually like we
don't usually approve vinyl windows >> like that too much. But >> but but these are you know these windows are at least >> but just usually when even sometime they making that grill removable you can pop it out. >> Yeah. But this >> but the glass side is always flat. The
the room side get a little design but not not from the not to the outside. I think that >> these are not removable. These are >> sandwiched between the two layers of glass. >> The design is facing outside >> as part of the insulating facing both
ways. >> I mean, I can show you the >> Yeah, I believe you're just >> Yeah. And that way it'll be good because then the homeowner can It's still easy for the homeowner to clean. >> Yeah. There's no grill that you have to move remove uh when you're cleaning windows. It's just
>> but if it's like that simple flat um in the middle, what it looks like is you're putting a modern window on an old house and that's what we don't usually like to do in a historic district is we try to if the manufacturer offer and Anderson
is you know it's great you're using good quality windows u but if they offer that that just that additional groove makes it look much more um historic as you will and what's the other window that we've done. Um, but most of the people
on Main Street have like the >> another Anderson product. I can't remember the name of right now. >> A lot of neighbors have something. I think it's like the Anderson 400 series. >> 400 series. Usually what they do is um they'll do the 400 series for the front of the
house, which is where >> the main historic view is. And and if there's a side that you can see from Main Street, they'll do that. And then in the back they can do, you know, whatever. Um, but that's typically what a lot of home owners end up doing.
>> We got like >> six >> four in the top and um I think we got four in the top and one two >> two in the bottom >> and two in the bottom.
>> So maybe we can use the silver line because it's already in stock. We purchased them. Can we use that on the side and put an Anderson? Because six I think six window four on the top and two on the bottom.
On the bottom I think. >> Can we put an Anderson in? >> That's on the front elevation. >> The silver lines are Anderson windows. >> He's saying they're 400 series >> on the front. >> On the front. >> I'm not sure those are better than
these. Um I I want to ask or comment about the configuration of the windows. So on Main Street elevation and in the historic property report, which you may or may not have looked at, it does state
that the windows were um the configuration was two over two. So that's two two panes on the top sash and two panes on the bottom sash. And the picture that you show is six. There's
six over one and six over six. So >> yeah, but we got the picture from the house got six. I don't know why they tried to buy it, but >> but the what matters most is what we see on Main Street where there are currently
the picture we see is two over two. >> Yeah. So the two over two is on the main on the side should be replicated >> because see we can see two over two that's that's two >> oh that's on the side yeah >> that's on the side
>> the two over two that's the side >> yeah we get two over two that's on the on the left side I think that's a driveway >> no it's it's on the porch >> under under the porch and above the porch >> on the main on the main street >> on the main street the seven windows on main street are two over twos
>> oh yeah yeah >> so They they should two >> two words of two. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Also the botto got two over two. >> Sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Two. >> I'm looking at the wrong picture. Sorry.
>> So we got seven in the bottom. >> Seven. Not six. >> And what is that? Six and six. That's in the back. >> I think the side. Mhm. >> Yeah. 41. >> 4212 change for this. The thing is that this
has nobody else is still on Zo. You don't know. >> Yeah, I went on Zillow. That's better pictures. Still there. >> Yeah. Still still there. >> Yes. >> Two and two.
>> Two. Two and two there. >> So, we have to keep two and two. >> That's that would be the goal is to keep two and two >> on the front side of the house and then the other side that you can see from the main street
>> because those are well those are one of them's a two over two and two of them are Yeah, they're all four different configurations on that side ones. >> Well, they're not replacing the one that's a four over one.
>> Yeah. >> What is this side? What is this? >> This is This is the back and that's a window. >> This is the back. They're not replacing. >> That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, that's the back. >> Question about house side windows. if
they have all um >> different >> shapes are different. So shall I keep this differences? >> The goal I think it would be better to try to carry over what you do in the front of the house on that south side >> two over two.
>> I mean I would I just from a design perspective I would say that since one of those windows is a two over two which is the same as on the street front. >> Yeah. The other two that you're replacing there would look better, I think, as two over twos. >> Yeah, it's going to look better. Yeah,
>> because on the driveway target window make it more design. >> Yeah, I know. They're all over the place, >> I think. And then on the back, uh I can't even see if there's any the one over ones or they
>> There's like a one over one. >> I mean, on the back. So I I don't know that it matters that much. >> Yeah, it doesn't matter. I I they can if they have something in stock they need to do. >> I mean, it's more on the back. I'd say it would be more consistent. For instance, I think the one room is
probably got one window >> facing south and the other facing west. There might I don't know if there's a corner bedroom or something there. You wouldn't want >> a different design for the windows in the same room. So you might just
>> you might make them all two over twos and >> because another thing all buildings around all other houses they get three over three. I can see on the pictures and next door neighbor they get three and three other
side on the street get next to the bank get three and three they have only one with the two and two and I think that was the issue when they moved in they said we would like to match with other house that was the reason we got three and three I get picture on the other homes and they get three three and three
>> all over next to us >> well I mean this house currently has two over twos I think to maintain its >> you know historic Look, the two over twos would be my recommendation. >> Yeah, I agree.
>> Okay. Um, I know you guys probably have a little bit of like research to do, but um, maybe what you guys could do is just update the application for, you know, and lay out um, kind of these pages
here, just which windows you're putting in where and what the configuration and then the dividers, you know, if you know, if you're going to you, you know. Yeah, that would be helpful for us. Um, >> I'd like to add something about the
window um the dividers in the windows. Um, so Anderson 400's other uh models that we've approved from other manufacturers, I believe they would have um actually protruding in front of the glass, right? the the muttons, not just
in between the glass, but actually the texture in front of the glass, which more closely matches what you have now, which is true divided light with um the wood holding the pieces of glass together. >> And so that type of window, the wood
isn't actually holding the it's still a single pane of glass, but um it brings the texture to the street in a way that having everything behind the glass does not. Um, I think that's an important aspect uh for the windows that can be seen. For the windows that can't be
seen, um, if if it's less expensive to not do that, but for the I I think uh that's an important aspect of replicating what's in there now with a modern material. >> And the nice thing too is with the the nicer windows, they are going to last a
lot longer versus like a vinyl. Um, vinyl windows do tend to break after a few years and and then that's probably why these this house configuration has become what it is. Like if they're um you know if you put in you know funky
windows then they break after a while and then everything gets >> Yeah. So um Okay. Um, one thing that we forgot to talk about was the the I think the ceiling of the garage. You were also working to looking to replace the
ceiling of the gar of the no ceiling of the >> balcony >> porch >> or the >> the back the back balcony. >> Uh, so that's >> not the front, the back. >> Okay. So, is it this picture right here?
This thing? >> That's the back porch. the back that's ceiling. >> So you are going to take that off >> it just a plywood painted with I think it's still lead paint. We would like to
put 4 inch tongue and groove cedar and painted white. >> Okay. Okay. And it can't be seen from the street. >> No, no, no, no. >> All right. >> But if they're doing tongue and groove ceiling, that's fine. >> Yeah, >> that's great. >> Yeah, that's great. That's an improvement. Okay.
>> Okay. Good. So um >> we use that a lot of time for indoor >> Oh yeah. >> And it's very very common. >> That's very >> it looks very nice. >> Standard approach. >> This look like your walk over here but in the ceiling. >> Okay, >> that'll be great.
>> Okay. One other thing that we haven't talked about and I didn't really understand because I'm not an architect is um reinting the masonry joints of the front porch. So, the home inspector found >> just cracks. Um,
>> yeah. I mean, if you're going to repoint that and you're going to fill the cracks and replplaster the bottom and paint it. >> Yeah. I I told Mr. Shoto because I did a lot of fine mason repairs that we have to get a chipping hammer, take all the the old plaster off, put the wire laid,
and replster the whole thing. >> Yeah. That's great. >> That's the way, you know, because not enough room. The brick has only half inch overhang. Yeah, >> it cannot add cannot be add another layer because going to be flush. It'll come out. >> So, we have to take the the old plaster off. >> That's fine.
>> And maybe because some of the slates are loose >> and we may have to redo the top surface because I I showed him even if the the grass are solid, but I was knocking it's hollow. So, just sitting there. >> Yeah. You're going to find
>> So, we may have to redo the blue blue stone later. >> Yeah. the whole resurfacing but I'm not sure we have to go with the irregular or we can go with the square blue stone or we have to follow this
>> well again that's on the back it's on the back porch >> it's the front porch >> this is the front >> this blue stone is on the front porch >> yes >> this is visible from the street >> okay so this porch has blue stone okay
>> so um it would be great if you could retain paint it as it was and then re >> the mortar is so cracked and broken that you might even water once water goes in one place going to go under the whole thing and
>> even if the middle of the the the patio or the porch was knocking with my hammer and my hand it's just hollow it's not >> loose enough but it's just moving >> um I think it would be preferable to reset the existing try to reset the
existing stones in a new mortar. >> Oh, I have to shake take the whole top off >> and but you can't salvage any of the the stone. >> The problem is um >> you have to put numbers on it because the way they came out that was like >> it's a puzzle,
>> you know, like like a puzzle. >> Yeah. Yeah. I would take you can take pictures and document it and then reset it. But someone did that when they first set it up and it's historic element when you work in a historic home, >> you know, um these are details that you
know are unique and and and part of the character. >> Yeah. Okay. >> And since you see it and I know this portrait, it's very special. Um it would be great if we could try to just I mean especially if the mortar's coming loose anyway you might find that it's not
quite so difficult to >> and another problem usually they use all people they use regular rock salt and rock salt is enemy of the cement and once it goes goes you know and just yeah destroy >> um but yeah it would be great if we
could salvage it and keep it you know um you know again what you're going to have to do you're gonna have to kind of reconstruct it. Um, but it would be great if you could keep the same stones. >> Yes, it's it's possible. We have to tape it, >> take a picture. >> Yeah.
>> And just try to put it back because, you know, >> yeah. Um, okay. So, >> is that everything? >> Yeah, I think that's everything. Have we talked about everything you're planning?
So just one question because the the roof is approved and we have to deal with the windows. We we can start on the roof >> now because we were our plan was start with the windows first >> and do the roof later because that was no question no order nothing but so
basically we can we can do the roof and just still do the final details on the window. Yeah, if you can send me kind of a new schematic of the new windows that you're putting in and I just will want to um consult with the committee offline uh just to make sure that you know we're
on the same page with the windows. Um then I can improve it on the back end and then you guys can move forward. Um but yeah, you can start on the roof now. You can start on the um the back porch ceiling. Um the membrane thing
um and even the front porch. Yeah. Yeah, that's all. I know it's a lot, but like please come back to us if you have any other questions. I know you have a lot to do. >> Can I show you a picture? Yeah. Just go
to the preview, please. but we you know >> yeah we we would really rather be um >> it looks nice and and just >> yeah I know this is a historic home >> but you know all the thing we have to market and and
>> yeah sure the same >> pieces goes back because once it gets stacked the whole thing it cannot be find the right spot for >> yeah that's this This is this is how it is though with historic properties, you know. We >> And and even with with this kind of work, we we have what we have to do, we
have to dry lay everything. >> Yeah. Well, >> and you'll have to dry lay the old stone too, you know. >> Yeah. >> You'll just take it all out. If you can get it all numbered and stacked the right way, you put it back in and dry lay it and then come back and
>> one section at a section. >> We did this before was a it's a pain in the butt. What we have to do, we have to lay a couple of plywood in the driveway. >> Yeah. >> And move the whole thing over there. Exactly. Just like leave it and just like a puzzle.
>> And just keep moving it back in >> because once you start cutting the end to to match with another one, you're going to >> Yeah. No, that's the length. And >> you're going to But the nice thing is now you're going to you're going to have it all >> Yes. Yeah. We have to >> ready to cut for you. You're not going to have to cut it.
>> Yeah. No. No. We have to dry it up and put it >> Yeah. But it's it's going to come off. I mean, look at it. It's already >> It's all >> Yeah. Yeah. It's coming off. >> Great. One more thing I would say since you're um recently moved in, you might not have uh come across it yet, but we
have uh an interactive map showing all the historic properties in the village. And um you can it's linked to on our website or you can just go to discovercranberry.com and you can go over to your house and click on it and read uh a multi-page property report. can learn uh about the
architectural details of the home as it is today. So if you ever wanted to like understand what things are called in the home you have or understand like what how it's put together that that can be a great resource for you for learning about your home. >> Yeah. And we have a lot of other
resources too, you know, feel free to reach out to us or to Gina if you have questions about resources for homeowners of historic properties. We have some books in the library on the shelf about maintaining a historic home and you know lots of stuff. So
>> welcome to Cranberry. Thank you. >> And and another question if we stuck with something with the with the roof with it because we find some >> problems >> problems. What's that emergency thing? You guys can come like a day or two because once it get covered it's not
waterproof. You know if we have to solve the problem soon as possible otherwise we have to do >> otherwise we have to do the >> put in an emergency application and we can and provide photographs >> provide your a solution and we yeah of
pictures. I think that the the the thing that made it a challenge with this application is that just there's not as much detail done on this that we we're used to seeing when we're doing these things. And so um we're glad you came today to answer the questions and >> and yeah, so if you could just um do I
need to do we need to vote in any sort of shape or way? I guess >> um really I guess >> I think we should be voting on approving the roof. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean you're going to approve. >> Okay. Okay. So, I'm I'm going to make a motion to approve the roof with the shingles we discussed.
>> Uh I'll make a motion to approve the uh repointing of the masonry joints on the front porch retaining the same design of the blue stone. >> Um make a motion to um allow the u replacement of the um >> siding
>> the siding in that section >> and to replace the ceiling in the back. Um and then um the motion is to for the homeowner to provide um details on the
windows and configurations for the house for the chair to approve um at a later date. >> Sounds good. I'll second that. >> Right. One second. Okay. Roll call for HPC 273-26. Miss Sutmmeer. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Guyire, >> yes. >> Mr. Hoo, >> yes. Miss Ryan, >> yes. >> And Miss Marlo, >> thank you. Motion passed. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. Good luck. >> Thank you. Good luck. Okay. Um, next we're going to move on to 8183,
uh, North Main. Two houses into one. This is an exciting application. This is such an exciting night. We haven't had an application like this in a while. Hi. >> How are you? Are you I know. Are you both the
homeowner or are you the homeowner and contractor? >> Architect. >> Architect. >> Both. Wow. >> One and the other. >> Oh, homeowner. Architect. Okay. Good. All right. Perfect.
>> Thank you. Okay. So, um, so this is a, um, I guess this is a full-on application and I think we had a concept, did we have a concept review of this before? >> No,
>> we have. >> Okay. So, we've been, you guys have been with us before. So, this is >> And they came before us, I believe, for a shed as well in the rear, right? >> Yeah. Okay. So, my understanding is you are um
taking um you have the two properties and you are building a twotory sort of connector addition in between the two structures to create one master structure
>> al together. Okay. Um I I reviewed the plans. I'm not a good plan reviewer because I'm not an architect. So, I'll let some of my other folks, but um did you want to did you have anything you wanted to share with us?
>> Why don't you talk us through? >> That'd be awesome. Thank you. >> I'm not even going to do this. you know, house 81. That's on the upstairs. >> Can Can I ask a quick question? Can it be undone?
>> So >> I see. Oh my god. >> So So what what's part of another driving factor in this addition is well, can we can we relocate the stairs? So the stairs are
usable and the hall's usable and everything's much safer, right? So part of this connecting space is to move the stairs into that connector and then eliminate >> the stair in that second floor that we're showing you there. And then you
you can >> actually have a bigger room. You won't you don't even need a hallway anymore because the hallway could be to those front bedrooms. That bedroom can actually be in lobster. So part of this is is it you know because of interior alterations it's because of practicality
it's because of safety as well. So what we did then we said well where can we you know where where does this connecting addition where where does it make sense and in this zone there's a 15t front yard setback. So we kind of we
kind of in instead of applying for a variance to line the house up across the front we thought let's say you know what well let's let's work with it let's see what we can design with complying with the setback and what
we came up with it kind of >> it kind of works because it keeps the two fronts as separate fronts but yet the house is connected further back. So, so they they're a little alleyway that's between their two houses. It's all one property and we bought as one property,
sold as one property, used as one property. >> Okay. So, there's no there's it's not a two lot. It's a single lot. >> We have one. >> Brenda, do we have one? It's one. Do you know remember is it one property report that we had? >> It's two, right? >> But it's one,
>> but it's deed. Yeah. Yeah. I remember all the back and forth on that. >> So, so when you look at our When you look at our drawings that we prepared, if you look at the front elevation, obviously it doesn't do it justice because you're looking at a 2D drawing
that's all that's all flat where this the front wall of the new addition is actually going to be 15 18 ft back from the front fac. Um, so No, it's pretty for me at least it's
pretty clear and um I have to say as my British friends would say brilliant. >> Brilliant. Yeah, I >> I'm I'm curious to try to understand why this happened. Is it because they added
>> I think they >> a bedroom on the side >> and it used to be like an open >> I think it used to be like a sitting room. I'm just guessing. It was like a sitting room on the second floor >> that the stair just came up and there
was an open space there and then >> uh somebody decided that they needed another closed bedroom and >> created that tiny passageway. >> That's so >> situation. >> Well,
I'm glad you're getting rid of it. It's kind of unsafe. >> Not exactly a great >> I have a question >> escape. >> I have a question about the uh front elevation. I know uh years back we approved doors and windows. Um but it
did note that it shows you're replacing the um railings on 83 on the corner. I didn't know if that had been approved previously, but um Bobby, maybe you can refresh my memory.
Is there an issue like with the building inspector when you're removing and replacing um railings that they then have to comply with like as long as the height I don't know what the height of the porch is?
>> The height of >> the new railings on the front porch. >> Replacing the front railings. So I'm just are you replacing in kind or do is the height of the porch requiring you to do guards? >> So the rules on on guards are uh if
you're if the level of the the deck or whatever the upper surface is more than 30, right? >> So if you have a 30 inch fall, then it needs some kind of protection. These are >> 12 in 18 in
much lower than 30. >> Thank you. >> That's good. So, but you're replacing the entire porch and the roof of the porch and everything. So, >> correct. >> So, everything would be replaced in time to just, you know, >> no more sagging.
>> This looks better. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Otherwise, it's blocked. >> Yeah. I mean, the the only question I kind of have is is
about the height of the roof uh of the connector that it seems seems tall and it seems taller than it needs to from a scale perspective if
I don't know if the sl the slope of the roof could be less to bring it down. I know it's it's already a different slope than the the the main house. >> We I we we staged it in between them.
>> Yeah. >> So So you're down. >> Yeah, you're you're step down. We don't we don't want to make it too high because you're competing against the game. >> Well, I agree. It shouldn't be higher. I'm just looking at it from a
>> but you know from a >> it's a pretty shallow slope. >> It's debatable. >> Yeah, it's already shallower slope. >> Yeah. And we added the same you have the same, you know, freeze that's happening there in the back. You're using the same edge
detail. >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> We don't want to go obviously the shallower you go. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it becomes >> problematic. >> Can I just take a It's more of a It's like a comment question and it's again
I'm I am not good at this stuff. Um, but what I want to make sure is that this new connector building like how you presented it, I I'm 100% agree. Right. We need to try to preserve
the integrity of the two separate buildings. And I love that we're going to I love that you're, you know, evolving it to fit what you need. And um I just um is it going to look how different is it
going to look from the other structures? >> Right. I agree that >> it looks like it blends in. It almost >> too much >> to the naked eye. It looks like it's part of the it's one it was built this way >> and I I don't want that to make it look
like it was always there. >> But we for historic preservation though um I always thought we were supposed to make it so that the it was very clear. It should read somehow as new as not
part like the same vintage as the old buildings while still >> referencing and respecting them >> set back 15 ft. So you still maintain those two front facads. >> I like that. I think that's great. Um it's just it's hard to when you look at the picture this way, it doesn't look
set back and that's why I'm um it looks like it's right there up in front with the others. You got to look at the plan. Look at >> No, I saw in the plan that it's set back, but from this view, and that's why I'm I'm the worst person to look at these cuz when I look at this from with
my glasses, I see it looks like it's all one massive house. Um, uh, it looks like it's straight up >> in the front >> because of the angle >> that is actually the the two buildings right now are each three bays wide. Would we now have like
a nine bay wide building? >> I'm not follow. So the pro the you read the property reports for each of the existing buildings are each three bays wide. If we this new facade is would now be >> I think they counted. No, they count I
think they probably counted the doors as a bay. >> So So now we have like a nine baywide building here. I I think there's a way to connect them because if your neighbor did this, right? 70 whatever the just immediately to your south. I think >> I think
>> no >> at some point and it doesn't >> and it doesn't detract at all from the each of the facade. So I think there's a I think there's a way for you to connect these >> right I that so as we look at because it
kind of splits the difference between the heights right now the addition in the middle is larger than the house uh at 81 which and which I want to I want to make sure that we can help you uh the
the town's rules s wouldn't allow uh the addition to overwhelm the original building. And so the way it is to 83, it doesn't, I think, because of the setback and because it drops down a little bit in height. But the way that the addition relates to 81, where it connects to 81
is taller than 81. And I'm concerned then that that won't that that wouldn't be in compliance with the town's rules. Um and as opposed to the neighbors which is very much connecting and not
>> rules. Is this a historical or >> historic in Yeah. What if how here's something, this is out of left field, but like what if um like I've seen this in other houses and additions where they use like a different material
uh for the front facade of the addition like let's say like I've seen a lot of people use like board and batten or something. Wouldn't Would that >> Well, I was thinking >> help because then you could paint the addition a different color.
>> We're not allowed to tell them what colors. >> Well, I know we're not allowed to, but I'm saying as a suggestion that they might think about >> but they could use like a what if they use a vertical board and back >> that that might be an option, but they could do, you know, paint it gray and leave the rest the two other houses white or I'm just thinking out loud.
visually >> I imagine that the height of the the hyphen essentially um can only drop so much because it is a stair it's a you know it's a circulation right and I imagine these houses are already have
like you know a low ceiling height to begin with so there probably isn't a lot of play in the height >> it's lit this this connecting piece is literally the the primarily the stairs, right? I mean, it's it's a it's it's one room,
>> which >> so so even though I mean it's it's two stories, but it's between a one and a half story house and two and a half story house. So like >> how do you get to the half story or can you get to the half story
>> from I'm not going to understand. Um, can you get to the half story from the stairs? >> In which house? >> In this smaller house? >> Yeah. Yeah, that's a fully that's a
that's a second floor. I wouldn't even I mean they got it as a half story, but I mean that's a full height up there. It's >> Oh, it is. Okay. >> Story hall. >> It's a full story >> because there's an I get it. Because there's an attic like Okay. >> Well, I mean the the half story have
attic. I mean it's a little >> I mean >> interesting with the rules and the slopes and all that stuff. I mean there's there's there's full rooms. >> Yeah. >> This is set back halfway. >> I know that's and that's really good. I
think that's >> but I mean so we've done projects before. I mean you know where where you have the old house and then you do something positive to it, right? you know, >> Frank's the bathroom edition and it's
all these glass, you know, cubes and everything attached to a colonial house. >> That was not the intent here. Our our intent here was to to make the addition look like it was historically correct and match the historic items. I mean, I
I'm not sure I agree with trying to make this different on purpose. Uh the thing though is like in the historic preservation circles um it's sort of one of our commandments is to when you do an addition is or um
like an addition is not to make the addition look exactly like it was there from the very beginning. That's yeah that's kind of the one of the things we abide by. Um, but I understand how, you know, as an
architect, you're trying to make it all fit. Which I appreciate because I've seen it. Not >> think about that. So, so if I said, "Okay, then you know what? We're going to take the windows. We're going to make them two over two >> and all the other windows are over six." >> So now the windows don't match.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I know. I hear what you're saying. >> No. >> I would, you know, >> Yeah. I I I think by pushing this back, you're keeping the integrity of those two front facades. I mean, we could have said, you know what, we're going to go for
barriers. We're going to make this look like one house, and we're going to come all the way to the front and we're going to combine them all and we're going to argue existing non-conforming issues. But we chose to say, you know what, let's keep this bill. Let's do something that complements both buildings. you know, we we
>> it's it's the gable was turned sideways so it doesn't compete against the main gable that's on 83. >> So, I would say that there was things that that we did to try to do that. I mean, maybe if instead of doing three bays, maybe we do two bays, we could do
two windows over two windows instead of three. But again, then it looks more like the left house instead of the right house. I I don't know. Well, I so I have a and this is just looking at your drawing. So, it looks
like the exposure on the siding of the addition is different than the exposure of the siding on the large on the right half. Uh it's not the same as the
exposure on either of the existing homes. >> Correct. They are different. All right. >> The two existing homes, the exposure on the siding is different anyway. And is the siding the exposure on the siding of the addition different than both of those?
>> No, I wouldn't introduce a third. >> No, I'm just asking because they don't line up >> the You know what? That might just be be the hatching. They would line up >> the software. >> They would they would line up. >> They would line up with the smaller house.
>> Yeah. If you look on the if you look on the on the left side elevation and the rear elevation they line up. >> Okay. >> It looks like it looks like on the front elevation it got shifted a little bit. That that is a software. >> Okay. >> When you move when you move a drawing a cat >> Yeah. No
>> I know you don't but >> just for you everything whether it was purposeful or not but I just Yeah. So, >> but I mean again, if that if that solves this issue here, if we do something
plain, if we did a just a big hardy panel or we did a board of I don't know if that's the right answer, but again, a different siding item. >> Yeah, >> maybe that's, you know, we keep it all the same color, but we just do something different. >> I like the idea of doing a band or
something. >> I like the idea of doing a port and batten on there. I like the idea of doing a different material because too like with paint like well first of all we're not allowed to tell you what anything about paint but also paint can and then the reason is because it can always be changed right materials are a
little like you know um you know timeless as you will um or if there's some sort of other element. >> What about even like a standing seam roof? I mean, I'm not saying that that would be >> Oh, just put a standing seam on that part of the building. >> But I'm just as an option like
>> Sure. So, is 81 wood shingles and 83 is asphalt or >> So, 83 is asphalt and one is cedar >> is cedar shingles. Okay. >> And you're leaving that alone. You don't have to re-roof. >> You do. >> You do have to re- roof. And you're going to replace them in kind.
>> Okay. That's the plan. Or again, as we're exploring these ideas, you know, to keep it cohesive, does the middle >> I like that. >> I think that's an interesting idea. I think that >> since you got two different roofs
>> already, >> the connector could be standing seam and it would look I think that would >> and that would kind of >> that would be enough to differentiate it. >> Keep it a unified. What is the sign but change? >> Keep the signing but just do standing seam. What is standing? >> It's metals.
>> Oh, the metal. I love the metal. >> And then you have, you know, when it rains, you get the nice sounds. >> It's our house. >> Well, maybe maybe you want to check with Chris. >> I want metal on my house and shadow ropes. I'd be like the first >> I think that's a great idea. That would look great.
>> And then everybody would copy me, I think. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, we'll change that to Stanley's. Is that it? >> Is Mr. Cornick agreed to >> design? We'll see how that budget.
>> Um, okay. Since I just want to pose a question since I've the newest at this and I don't have as much experience with um how architectural surveyors will perceive this in the future. Um, right now it's pretty clear there's two
resources and they're able to view them >> uh as independent resources. The next time it's surveyed, how is a surveyor going to perceive this? >> Well, are you guys are they going to change their survey?
>> No, no, no. We do historic surveys and so on >> and right now they're two separate reports, >> but the address is % isn't the address already 8183 like how do you get your mail
>> separate addresses 81 and 83 they're not 81 it's not really combined >> so do you think that's going to change though the town's going to make that make you divi put the two together >> you could probably keep both my boxes >> I have cousins in Queens that have two
address that that have two houses that were >> together and their address that I have to mail it to is like 81 83 blah blah. I don't know if that's something that I think >> I think it just depends on where they have their mailbox. >> Really? >> Yeah. But so the front door the house is
>> they're technically combining but >> the house's front door is going to be on >> I I think in the future because it's a it's a single lot correct that >> the survey should be >> the survey would be for the property that is contained within that single lot
and look at it that way as opposed to street address. No, actually that's what I'm still wondering is like the the neighbors property report is as simple as there's a passageway that connects them. Um this this is substantial. It's great but
it's substantial enough that can't be described as a passageway connects them. So will there now be one resource? Will there be two resources? Will there be three resources? >> There'll be one >> one resource. >> Yeah, I think you make it one. Will it
be a contributing resource anymore? >> We making it non-contributing. Is that what you're asking? Good heavens. >> Holy smokes. I didn't even think of that. >> I don't think so.
It's a sensitive addition and it just happens to be between two buildings. Well, in that light, whether wouldn't it be better just to leave it as two resources with a kind of a footnote in both that talk about it connecting to the neighboring building
>> like C survey for X and yeah, you know, vice >> versa. Reverse back and for refer back and forth and that it would not this addition itself would not be a resource. I understand the threat that you're talking about that we're going to make
these non-contributing because of this addition, >> but I think we're being you, you've been very careful. Um, and I think we're being careful too with this addition essentially this infill and I think it would be okay.
>> That's my vote. Do you think that do you think someone at like Grub would consider it and another architectural researcher might argue that now it's non-contributing that it's been altered like I think of the um
you know the the house across from Silvers that we found out like had gotten had been contributing and then they didn't so much work it became non-contributing. it was I think
>> right and I think that's the key right that it was not a sensitive edition and I think this one is so >> I will bet that >> I mean the other thing about it is that you could I know you would never do it
but it could be reversible >> sure because you could property >> take you could slice off this transition piece and have the two houses exist separately again based on the plan. I mean, it's not
>> it's not that straightforward, but it could do it. >> So, I don't I don't think I don't I agree with Sue. I don't think it's a problem. Bobby >> Bobby >> I think I think it's just the picture
>> in the elevation >> much more >> Yeah. And if the roof is different >> Yeah. It's gonna it's it's going to look like two buildings with a connector. You It's 15 feet back, >> you know, and I think changing the roof
is going to make it even more obvious. >> Okay. Okay. I'm good with that. >> Okay. All right. So, I will make a motion to approve it with the with the change to the roofing material that we discussed.
Um, I'll second. >> That's it. That was me second. >> There you go. All right. Roll call for HPC274-26. Miss Sutmire, >> yes. >> Mr. Guyire, >> yes. >> Mr. Hull, >> yes. >> Miss Ryan, >> yes.
>> And Miss Marlo, >> yes. Thank you. Motion passed. >> Good luck on the project. >> So, I guess you're not moving. >> Yeah. >> That's great. >> Yeah. It's great. >> Say hi to Chris. >> Good luck.
>> Good night. Thank you. >> Okay, we are on to our last but not least window replacement 54 North. >> Hi guys. So, I didn't have a chance to review this application in advance. I
apologize. Um, so I hope you wouldn't mind taking us through this. Um, what we're looking to do here, >> you just use the microphone just the right button on the bottom. >> Thank you.
>> How's that? Better. Oh, yes. Your name. >> So, the short version, um, we're doing a replacement. Just give us your name. Oh, I'm sorry. Alex Aubrey Smith. I'm a senior design consultant at Renewal by Anderson.
>> And I'm Sue Alakus. I'm the homeowner, 54 North. Cool. >> Okay. Brief overview is we are replacing 19 windows um with all colors, grill patterns
and designs matching current and I'm happy to answer any questions about the materials or the grills and their a >> makeup. Yeah. >> I love your house. >> Um,
>> that's not that's not really that doesn't need to be in the record. >> That's an editorial comment. >> Okay. >> And if it does help at all, I know that we've done several other recent projects with the same um model and design. So 66
North Main Street was the most recent which is about two or three doors down. Same model window. Um same installation procedure. Also 38 South Main Street. >> Yes. Sue and I were just sidebaring that we approved these five reps windows
before. So they're all replaced in kind size and divided lights and all the rest. >> Yes, we will have exterior contoured grills. >> Yeah. >> White. >> What is the condition of the windows right now?
>> Uh not great. So mostly painted shut. If you can get them open, they will just fall right down. They're also very thin single pane uh windows. So, it is absolutely freezing um near any of these windows.
>> They're all counterweighted windows. I mean, when they do work and they >> these are old weights. I believe the application submitted should have pictures of each facade that we'll be doing work on.
Um, are the windows in the freeze band remaining? >> I'm sorry. The windows in the >> the freeze band that's at the very top, the little >> horizontal. >> We're not Yeah, we're not going to touch those. I don't have any questions.
>> I have um So, it says grills between the glass. Does that mean the grills are only between the glass? >> No. >> Okay. >> So, to go on the grill discussion that we had before, so there's grills between the glass that are flat and there's grills between the glass that are contoured. There's also um exterior
grills, interior grills. >> Right. >> So, what I find most convenient for homeowners is to have an exterior a fixed grill on the exterior of the home because you can see it from the street. And you're exactly right. It looks a million times better than just behind the glass. But on the interior, we also
have one so that inside the house, it's easier to clean inside, but outside you're maintaining the look. >> Sounds good. >> That sounds good. Right. >> Okay. >> I'm good.
>> Okay. Any any other questions, comments? >> No. All right. I am good to make a motion to approve. >> I will second. Okay. >> Roll call for HPC 275-26. Miss Sutler. >> Yes. >> Mr. Guyer. >> Yes.
>> Mr. H. >> Yes. >> Miss Ryan. Yes. >> And Miss Marlo. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Motion passed. >> I have a quick question. >> Good luck. >> Quick question. I understand that we need like this uh document of the approval to be displayed during the install.
>> So, correct. Is that correct? >> I think it's like a permit. Uh >> I think it comes from you guys. I looked it up on the previous project. >> Usually, it's the next day. >> Awesome. >> All right. >> Thank you. Sorry you had to wait an hour and a half for such a quick review.
>> Yeah. Thank you for like sorry you had to sit through all that. >> I live in a town as well. So this is really interesting. I appreciate you guys. >> Oh, thank you. >> Thank you. Which town do you live in? >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> Oh, you're way down here.
>> Cool. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. Good night. >> All right. Okay. So, >> now we move on to old business. And I'm exhausted. It's already 8:30, y'all. Let's >> um Okay. So, I'm what I'm already going to do, I'm going to table a couple
things um for a next meeting. Okay. Um >> Okay. So, >> Okay. So, let's go into old business. So, the district, the Hamlet, uh the dis the village district and Hamlet, we have the designation of the village properties and removal buffer area. I
did see Liz a couple weeks ago. I know she's working on updates. Have you heard any more from her? Okay. So, Gina, could you be so kind as to follow up with her again? >> Sure.
>> Uh, okay. And just so everyone knows too, when I go through um next month we're doing our report um with town hall, town chief committee, that is on there as well. So hopefully that also kind of reminds everyone that
we're really still very eager to finish this. >> Are you not available for that? Is that what you said? And you wanted us to attend? >> I'm out of town. >> Is it the 27th of >> April? I know it's so late. >> I believe I'm available. You are? And bye.
>> Well, yeah. >> I had sent you an email, but >> So, could you guys both do it again? >> Sure. Yeah, I think that makes sense. >> Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry. I I Yeah. >> Nope. No problem. >> Okay, cool. Um, okay. So now the exciting news is we have our COE with
the Hamlet and I was so excited to get that and I was quite frankly I was like sort of like dumbfounded with how they did like all this research without us
like and we didn't have and I had to do all this work on my own and they were doing it and why couldn't they show me what they'd been doing and like So, I'm very eager to like figure out
who did all this work and like can we share it with us so we can like reconcile their questions because they obviously put in like a lot of thought into this and they have things they want us to look at. So, I was fixing on like
asking Andrea, you know, who was they're researching. >> Oh, I think Andrea will know. Yes. >> Yeah. and like can we get with them so that it's not just like us going off and then them going back and double-checking
our work and >> yeah my impression was looking at some of their you know comments for you know confirm this further research for that is that it's it's above our pay grade it's above our capability to do and my
understanding is we were getting this cert certification of eligibility so that we could go ahead and hire someone to do the research >> necessary. Exactly. Exactly. And I wish
that we could like go for CLG with this um this year, but we have the other work we need to do. So, I I guess our next step is going to have to be to like wait a another year until we can apply
for CLG for this unless we can find some other grants. Yeah, I was I spoke with the Middle Sex County gentleman, can't remember his name, um who I had reached out to right a couple years ago until I found out it was a matching grant that I
was trying to go for and the township doesn't do matching grants. So, um, I spoke to him at last year's state conference and he's like, "Oh, we have other grants." So, let me see if maybe there is something that we could use to
at least start the the research process. Um, one comment they did say was something about the existing uh, Camden Amboy Railroad historic district that they said has state significance but not
they're not pursuing national significance right now. >> Yeah, I think it's because of um the fact that there's so much complication. There's so many different districts and everything in there like >> but we could try to find out more about
it. I I was like I just don't even know about this. That's why I'm like you're to your point like it's way above my pay grade and I'm still scratching my head on how did they find that other account of the railroad accident from that other
person? Um like I was like oh my god how did you have that? Where did you find that? And who had time to look at that? >> People who get paid to do it. >> Yeah. So I I >> They were probably thrilled. They're
like, "Oh, let's dig into this. This is exciting." >> I guess I know. So yeah. Um so I was thinking for next steps, maybe um we we set up a call with Andrea to connect with her on this. >> Sure. And then we could look at um
grants um and see if we can find a non-matching grant. Unless we think that maybe the town would be supportive if we were to get a matching grant. Would they ever? I was told no.
>> Town committee since always. >> No, it was it was Denise. >> Denise. >> It was Denise. >> Denise. Uh, probably less than $25,000. Yeah. Story of our lives.
So, um, if you want me to look into it again and see what the options are. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. I'm so excited. Um, >> there was an email I saw this week
something about a heart family trust or something for small towns and we I think it's like fewer than 10,000 residents which we would fall into the category of. Um, it didn't say that it was a matching grant. Um, I'm not I don't know much more about it other than I saw that
email about it this something like that administered by a national organization. >> You can share that. set. So have to be put in the budget >> now for next year.
>> Yeah. And but I mean it's the the alternative is like we're going to have to wait another year to apply and then >> another year to act like two years, you know. >> So by the time happens, >> budgets could get set, you know. >> Yeah.
>> Um yeah, this is exciting. So yeah, the next will be and so I think so I'll set set up a meeting with Andrea. >> Okay. and then um we'll take it from there. I'm super excited. Okay. Um cool. And then oh, one other thing just on the
hamlet so everyone knows is that we had a there was a zoning meeting um a couple weeks ago I attended. It was super long and um it was very detailed uh kind of boring but also pretty exciting because
they went through their warehouse and um and Guy also provided feedback um which um the experts also concurred with you guy um is that we you know they really they're going to come back again in another couple months and they're supposed to bring more plans for the
hamlet. Um, and the neighbors showed me this really cool like AI generation of how they want the the Hamlet decod look. And the one thing that was I hope they come back and address is that they're widening the road because they have to.
I guess the town needs them to widen the road. And so they're choosing to widen the road on the side where the depot is. So, it's cutting in and it's moving the road even closer to where the depot is, which is already kind of set kind of
close to the road. So, that I I commented as a person because I couldn't consult with you guys. >> Station, Cranberry Station, Hightown Station Road. Yeah. So, it's going to cut into that. I mean, it's already property is like the size of a postage
stamp. >> And so now it's going to be even less ro like space around the depot, >> but the great news is that the owner is like still committed to um um renovating it. >> That's amazing. >> He offered he said he offered like
giving it to the town to have, right? >> Um but then the town started people in the planning our zoning started asking about like are you giving us contaminated ground? are we going to have to like go test it? Are we >> It was answered early on that the
township is not interested in acquiring properties. >> Yeah. So then he kind of I think he kind of picked up on that and then he started saying well I mean if if you don't want it like then I could just keep it and let you use it and and then they talked about some sort of um an arrangement
which I guess has been done at other places. >> Um >> yeah so it was really good. Did anyone watch the that >> I watched it. Um the the plans and the discussion didn't mention that this certific certification of eligibility
mentions the concrete signal booth and that's not discussed at the plans as to whether or not it's saved or demolished. So I would just say >> save it for now. >> Yeah, I think they know. They just haven't talked about it. Okay, that's a good point though. I'll follow up uh
send a note to Robert and zoning to make sure that they convey that to them because I think they know it because they didn't demolish it. They demolished everything else. Um but it yeah >> following that meeting when there was
kind of the open-ended um not even a discussion but just the idea of what could this building be used for in the future. Um I tried to kind of look into how uh what other entities could help uh
guide that. Um there is the Camden and Amboy Railroad Historical Group and they meet in Heightstown. Um at least as of the you know and it's an old web page so maybe they don't meet at all anymore but at least when they were meeting they they meet in Heightstown. Um it's part
of the space that the East Windsor and Heightstown Historical Society operates. And so, um, that group seems like they would be the most knowledgeable in terms of like here's how the building used to look or here are our artifacts that, you
know, would be like just people to talk to in terms of understanding what the purpose of that building could be in the future. It see it is it could be a nice opportunity because as far as I can tell there really aren't any other stations
on this line still like the the where the one in Heightstown was a station that was moved to where its current location but this might be the only thing left on the line and so it's it's definitely an opportunity to uh
consider. I think that um yeah, I think um John Kilbridge, Bobby Kilbride, >> I think um we should try to figure out um
what what what what he's been up to. I know he wasn't feeling he wasn't well. >> I don't know if he's still with us. Yeah. >> Yeah. I >> if he was >> Yeah. or people who are in his circle.
>> Yeah. I'll do some research online to try to figure out um him and then if not also maybe we can connect with do do we know anyone in the in the Heightstown Historical Society like >> maybe make a connection with them about
this just knowing that we have >> this going on to your point. Yeah. John Kil Kilbride, right? >> I have a phone number and an email. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. We have I'll I'll take that down
as a followup for us. Um, cool. Um, okay. So, what next? Any other comments on that on that um that topic that goal for the year? >> Okay. Uh, next we have the structures in greater cranberry. We have the CLG
grant. Uh, CLG grant is going great. Jen is gets to do it. Um, but Sue helped immensely by providing notes which was helpful. I used them as they were. Um, I'm now putting it into a website portal
that I got trained on by Lori, but thankfully it's very straightforward. And, um, I think we're going to be fine. And great news is that we sent out the like request for estimate to like a dozen people. Three people got back and
said they're going to provide estimates. >> That's all we need. That's all we need is three. Yeah. Yeah. So, say say a prayer. Are you can you send reminder like a day before I said that it was due? Just not even a reminder, but just like a check-in. >> Sure.
>> Like and just like say like, "Hey, >> we can't wait to see what you think." >> And I did put a little like buffer time in there with the deadline. >> Yeah. Yeah. So you and I can work on that. So that's going great. Um so we're going to get that done and get that in.
Um okay, next we have the historic the sites. Um we have the farmhouse on Plansboro Road. I know we can't talk about that. Um okay, we have the the
gentle healing. um latest was that the owner of um the property next door was going to be speaking with our township attorney about the prospect of of moving that structure. Um and I haven't heard
anything about it since then. I don't know if you've heard anything. No, >> I think >> Yeah, Steven Galisan, bless his heart, he did like >> Yeah. So hopefully, so I I did send a followup and and maybe we'll find out a
little. I'm supposed to not be like driving it, but I I am just gonna I'll follow up for us. Um Okay. And then the um so okay, so the South River Roads going to be demolished. So we are demolishing
a 1786 structure, all of it. Um the update is that there someone is taking parts of the house from what they understand. Oh the I guess the the someone someone is
taking parts of it. It was flooded and it's been abandoned. So, um, it's been decided that it's going to
>> not be salvaged. Um, so that's that. Barbara, have you heard anything else about that in the housing subcommittee? Affordable housing. >> Okay. Okay. Um >> I'll just add so so that people don't
feel as bad about it. Um if you if you read the area need of redevelopment investigation, um it, you know, you can see that it's in bad condition, but it's also in a flood plane. And so it's in bad condition in a
bad location. And if one of those things weren't true, maybe the situation would be different. But bad condition in a bad location, it's, you know, that's that's what it is. >> Yeah. And coincidentally, I did get an update that um there was the the meeting
did happen, I guess, um with the township attorney and they're waiting on the township attorney to get back to them on some open issues. So, um, so I don't know if we could kind of just, um, you know, I know the timing is is tight,
so we'll just try to be wary of that and just make sure that, um, the property owner has every opportunity to try to, you know, for save this structure, uh, or the, um, the other other family has
opportunity to save it if they can. um and that we don't like, you know, you know, drag our feet too much that we get in the way of what could have saved it. But >> anyway, I'm I'm >> I think it's really I think I think it's
really important that you you know employers doing what needs to be done so that it gets done. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so everyone understands, everyone's all on the same page with
like what what everyone's objectives are and that we're going to respect other people's objectives as well and on both sides and work together and you know it might take some um creativity and some
um you know urgency because there's a t a deadline obviously. Yeah. >> Yeah. On and yeah. So, okay, cool. Um, let's see. Okay, so I am going to
I'm going to table the landmarking discussion. That's the papers that you guys received. But now we all have printouts of what I received from Preservation New Jersey. And from what I what what what the idea
is is that we will we could explore longer term ways to landmark properties so that we don't end up with this type of situation again. Um that we identify important properties. We work with township
committee to landmark them and ensure that um you know it it doesn't get um lost because it's not in the main historic district
um and that we can try to preserve some of these um structures that are important to agricultural indigenous and black history I think are probably like the mostant important themes. Um, and so our sale for G grant will hopefully help
with that as well. And so if we could just take a look at the language we received and >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, okay. Next, um, public outreach the website. Um, have you guys had a chance to talk at
all or or or look at all at um putting together some sort of a like an outline or or anything? Have you had any chance to work on the website? I know it's a busy time with school. >> Oh my gosh. We don't know. I don't know. We won't
know until we talk with the the web >> master. Yeah. >> No. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, did you want to like send it over to to us or to Gina? And then what we could do is maybe
look it over and then um and then figure out if it's something where you guys could work offline and then consult with us later or we could talk about it in our next meeting depending on, you know, and what we're
looking at. >> Okay. >> Okay. Oh, we we're so eager to see your ideas. It's It's going to be great to have that fresh perspective. Um, thank you. Um, okay. So, what else?
Um, Barbara, thank you for communication. Barbara, thank you for um sharing the summary of our last meeting with township committee. I think it was really great. Was it helpful for us to do that? >> Oh, absolutely. >> Okay. So, what I did y'all is I took our minutes and I created minutes of minutes
and I sent them to Barbara and she used them um to speak to um TC so that our meeting was like accurately >> um communicated. >> And Jennifer, if I do have like a difference, I'm not going to report it out like like because it's my
perspective of reading, but what you said was >> right. >> Yeah. I try to keep it like factual. Um and yeah, I mean I don't you don't need to read it like as you know word for word but yeah please just you know you can use it >> but yeah it's just it's just to make
sure that like >> the the the main topics of what we discuss >> I think it's really help honestly I think it's really helpful you see I don't have a pen >> great cool thank you um >> um as I said um so I reached out to
Chips >> um and Karen Kelly and she's the one that gave me the list of the events. >> Yes, that was so great. >> And I'm hoping to have them posted here in the kiosk. They're supposed to drop off the flyer and then we'll have it posted out here and we'll just keep
>> I was thinking of having a link to all of them, but I think maybe if we just keep posting the ones that are come up here. I don't I'm not sure. Yeah, >> thank you for doing that because all these this is like the best year for history in Cranberry. Yeah. and I'm the
liazison for the 250th um for the township committee. So, I'm doing my little job. So, >> thank you. Thank you so much. It's great to get this stuff out there. >> Um okay. >> Uh
there kids >> to get um share the uh the list. I think if you send it to the principal, she might include it in like her um she sends a weekly email to all the high school kids. >> Oh, really?
>> You know, the Sunday email if you I could send you >> I could send it to her. I could send it to >> I have her email. She sends me an email every Sunday. >> I will I will do that.
>> Great idea. >> It's a link to chips, right? and just the list and like the exhibit and the education. It's great for um >> God, we should have thought of that sooner. I'm regretting that because like it would have been great to send that exhibit to them.
>> Shoot, that came up so fast. Um and it was only for two weeks that exhibit, but there's other stuff coming up. I think that'll be good. The colonial fair I think would be so fun for the high school. >> We're having a colonial fair.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. Um I might just put together like some Yeah. some whole stuff. So yeah, very great idea. >> Or maybe just the highlights for the >> to PHS. Yeah. Stuff that. Yeah. Because like the burgers beer thing is not
really for PHS, but like um >> but yeah. Um, no, great idea. I love that. And Cranberry School for that matter. >> She sends me an email, too. Yeah. >> If you want to CC me on it, so I have
that. >> I love that. Love it. Okay. Um, okay. Revolution, New Jersey, Cranberry Day, House Tour. Okay. Clean. Oh, yes. Okay. So you guys
um I in our packet I put this together and we have time to work on this so maybe they can like work on this in between meetings is I had chat GPT make um ideas for us for not for chachkis
that we can use at these upcoming events planting roots seed packets planting roots in cranberry Um and then um ideas for things we can do at the booth at our like at Cranberry
Day or at the Colonial Fair or how we want to do it. So you guys I honestly I'm not taking any credit for these. These were the robots. So if if any of them are stupid, just cross them out. Um but if you like them, like let's circle and try to figure out which thing ones
we like so we can um plan. And I what I did when I did the prompting was since remember how like cranberry day we had like a lot of kids coming, I thought it might be interesting for us to like set up like activities that are for kids,
activities for adults or activities for both. And I think I organized it that way. Um Oh yeah, I I coded it. I coded which ones are kind of kid activity, which ones are for both. And so if you guys could just have a think on this. Okay.
>> Um Okay, cool. All right. Next. Um see, uh any up other updates, Bobby, on Revolution New Jersey stuff that we should cover
>> or Barbara >> the event. Okay. >> Okay. Um the library meeting is You've got to be kidding me. >> I'm not kidding. I just had it confirmed this afternoon at 4:30.
>> Okay. Bobby, would you be open to coming with me and meeting with the library on th >> at 11? >> This coming Thursday. >> Yeah. >> Yes, ma'am.
>> At 11 a.m. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Can I ask if you are successful in um um the book discussion and we need to find
a new home for our collection? >> Um the only two places I've thought of so far are here in town hall or chips. So, does anyone have any other ideas on
where might be a good location repository like and not um the um the history center is what I was thinking of? >> Yeah, in the history center. >> Yeah. Any other >> I like the idea of town hall. >> I mean, it's not up to us.
>> I like the idea of town hall because it's open all the time. The history center is only open for like two hours on a Thursday and it's so freaking busy when they were there. How many books? >> Just like a like like a couple of
shelves. Like a shelf. >> Yeah. >> Like three feet worth of books. >> Yeah. 30 or 40 I think at the most. Or maybe in the li like the library. Yeah, in the art gallery. Could there be a shelf in there? >> I mean, if it's all closed, that's
>> it would be great because then someone could just come here at any time and then like >> Yeah, >> that doesn't sound promising. >> Yeah, it doesn't. Uh okay. All right. I will um
>> I'd still encourage us to prioritize making the list available so people can seek it out even if it's through an interl loan. You know, >> I know you talked about advert basically advertising it and you know that's something we could do at the Colonial
Fair on the website. >> On the website, >> right? >> Yeah. That would be my concern that they'll start disappearing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We don't want that unless you put it right there in front
of where the lady right >> or or keep them with Gina so people have to buzz in to actually >> I know that's that's a pain. Yeah. No one's going to want to find so >> I don't have any other ideas. >> Okay.
librarian also >> historic >> historic preservation li. >> So if you wouldn't mind just like if you could just jot down like a couple of your like your vision like and send me a quick email so I can make sure we kind of carry through the vision
>> that'd be helpful. Um okay cool. Um all right other business almost done. town hall doors guy and I got an email from the door man. >> Yes.
>> Go ahead. >> You go ahead. >> No, I can't remember what he said. >> He basically said that >> was the >> that there's no such thing as voiding the warranty with what we would want to do >> by implying the molding.
>> By putting a molding on putting anything on the door is not going to void the warranty. So >> that's >> that was not really true >> decide how to do that. >> So now um but they because the door that
with the moldings was not ordered with the moldings and the planer door in the synthetic wood was ordered instead. Now we have to figure out we could apply something. That's great news, right? And
it's um something that we could do, but we would need to research materials now when >> that can be glued. >> If the door had been ordered with the molding, would they have been applied
molding? >> Yes. >> So then um >> there are there are multiple styles of doors that the manufacturer makes. >> Okay. >> One of which is an applied molding. >> Okay. The other is an embossed panel
which would have been the right solution. That's water over the dam. >> So >> does >> but they won't >> they won't sell just the molding, >> right? >> That's what he says. Yeah, >> that's what he said. You can't get the molding from them. >> So
>> which is very odd. >> Yeah. >> Like can't we just buy it? >> Yeah. >> Well, the thing is so I would certainly be able to apply the molding, but the question is, you know, is this something that public works
would need to do because it's town hall and would they agree to do that if we >> had to hire >> hire a contractor to come and do it? >> Yeah,
>> but I'm not sure. So look at a couple of solutions probably there. >> Are there general contractors or carpenters that the township like already has on a vendor list? >> Handyman kind of things.
>> I remember >> I don't know. Sorry. I I I don't know the rules well enough to say that we that it wouldn't need to be hired out. But are there is there not any volunteer work that's done inside the building like in the downstairs space? Is it like is this building strictly off limits to volunteers?
>> Yeah, you have experience. >> It couldn't be done under the cover of darkness. >> Oh my god. >> 3:00 in the morning. But listen, if you if you think that you could get the molding, but I mean, but they're not selling it.
So, where would >> Well, it would have to be >> a standard profile. >> Standard profile from, you know, Home Depot or something. You need to stain it >> and seal it. You probably do wood or maybe the problem with like a PVC or a
plastic or a something like that, which would be probably better from a long term. It it would have to be painted and you know sort of to match the door. >> Yeah. Because the color this this color
that we that was chosen for the front door is not a naturally occurring >> wood color. You'd have to have >> So, we would have to find a molding that is not naturally occurring that would match that same color
>> or you'd have to finish the molding with a >> with a plastic, >> you know, kind of an antique look >> like a Yeah. >> You know, I mean, you can >> So, they wouldn't sell them all. >> No, >> I we could ask him again.
I'll ask him again. All I can say is no. I'm gonna ask him if he would sell it. He >> certainly didn't give the impression that >> what happens if you put find something outside that warranty and still be okay. >> Yeah. >> He he said you could apply molding on
it. It wouldn't would not void the warranty. um >> whether whether you know the township would put something in writing that would say >> you know they're going to say well we can't take the chance if >> we have an email from him. >> Oh
>> yeah I I guess if that's enough >> he's a certified installer for the door manufacturer. >> He was the installer. So then was the guy So then he's knowledgeable about the warranties. >> Um so guy do you think we could try to
research like what if it's like a whole front on it like um >> so that it would match. Yeah. So that the whole front of the whole we would put something over the whole front of the door. >> Oh no. to make it. >> No, that that I don't think we would
want to do. >> You can't like stick it. >> Okay. So, could we could we research like um with the dimensions of the door and what we could find from like >> Yeah, let me >> manufacturers. I'll look into the molding
>> and then I will ask the guy if he'll sell it to me. Yeah. >> Name your price. >> I'll look. >> Grab an extra one from the factory. Well, um, >> we can glue and then I think from there if we can find a material, I think that
we have a in a building full of administrators who I think could help us figure out could maybe their end of the situation would be to find a way to install it in a way that they're
comfortable considering that they have standards that they want to adhere to. I think that we're going way above our historic preservation here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'm afraid it won't happen unless we see it through.
>> Fair enough. Fair enough. Okay. Let's just let's take it one step at a time. Let's first see about that and then Yeah, maybe we in order to see it through, maybe we need to solicit a volunteer. It's horrible that we would need to do
that, but >> um let's have a think on it. It's late. Okay. Um any other comments, minutes, training, new homeowner letters? What do you think?
>> Um I did send one new homeowner letter to 12BNC Station Road. Um, yeah, that was it. There weren't any, uh, minor and ordinary maintenance approvals either. I forgot to mention that earlier. >> Thank you.
>> And yeah, nobody sent anything in about the minutes. >> I have a I have a question on the training. I was thinking about going to the preservation conference. Are you still going to go to >> Yes. >> Of course, right. >> Okay. And so basically how it works is we have budget for me to go though,
right? And Sue can go. >> Yeah. Okay. So then I need to go on the line and register. >> Yeah. You because it seemed like that's what you did last time. A check. Yeah. >> How does it work? Like I go in and I pay and then I get reimbursed or that's what
we did. >> Send a receipt. >> Receipt. >> Yeah. Yeah, they have a session on design guidelines >> and um also a session on uh the training requirement for HBC's which is new.
>> That's right. Okay. >> And where is that? >> Believe it's >> north >> Morristown. Yeah, >> it's like an hour from here. >> A lot of the sessions talk like are revolutionary 250 related this year.
Cool. Um, okay. Minutes. I actually looked at them, I think, because I used them and I didn't have any comments. I had a question about the discussion of
the doors actually still working and now I can't find them. So, um it it said something about Mr. Guyire and Miss Sutmire that just didn't make sense. >> Where is that?
>> I don't know. I can't find the doors. Bottom of >> bottom of page four. Yeah. >> Okay. Vice Chair Guyer stated that Chair Sutmire was able to get in touch with the company that installed the doors. So, is that accurate? >> That's correct. >> All right. That was it.
>> Otherwise, I um have there been any has there been any interest in applications to join the commission? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, I forgot about that. >> Nothing. >> Yeah, we need to we need to work I'm
going to start >> a little harder at that. >> Yeah, we got to work on that. You guys >> recruit some people. >> What can we do? >> We set it on the all about >> she put it in. Should we get someone else about cranberry yet? So, I can do that.
>> I can do that. I gota I maybe I can um send it to the the chips people and chips could market it. >> Yeah. >> Um yeah, I guess anyone and anyone who's
watching, we have two openings and we would love to get more new energy into the group. Um, yeah. And then Emily is going to graduate, too. I was thinking about that as well.
>> So, anyone is interested in >> Do you know anybody at Princeton High that would be interested in taking >> Okay. >> Okay. Cool. >> That'd be great. >> Um, fantastic. Okay, great. Um, public
comment. >> Uh, I'll move to approve the minutes. >> Oh, yes. I forgot about that. Thank you, Brandon. Second. >> Okay. Roll call for the February 17th minutes. Miss Smire, >> yes. >> Mr. Guyer, >> yes. >> Mr. Hull, >> yes. >> Miss Ryan, >> yes. >> And Miss Marlo. >> Yes.
>> Thanks. Motion passed. >> Okay. Public comment. Any other comments? Okay. Discussion. Anything else? >> Yes. I'll just clarify about the grants for small towns. It's called the Heart Family Fund for small towns. The email was sent by the National Trust for
Historic Preservation and funding range ranges between $2,500 and $15,000. Applications for this year are due May 1st. >> Oo, sounds doable.
>> Okay, cool. I am follow I am making a note of that something. Take a look at that. Um, okay. Any other discussion? Make a motion to adjurnn.
>> So move. >> Okay. >> Second. >> Yes. Second. All >> in favor say I. I. I. >> Oh my gosh, this was a long meeting.