##VIDEO ID:FdoU6NyiV04## Lisa is Mayor this year Lisa all right so this planning board meeting is being held on January 9th 2025 statement of adequate notice under the Sunshine Law adequate in accordance with the open public meeting Act was provided on December 24th 2024 of this meeting's date time and location the agenda was mailed to the cranberry press in Trent times posted on the township bulletin board mail to those requesting personal notice and filed with the musical clerk roll call Miss Anderson Miss Eli here Mr Giddings here miss Canam advis us she was not attending Mr mber advis us he was not attending Mr Stewart here Mr Whitman here and Miss Bon here all right thank you right at this time I am going to open the floor for nominations for chair for 2025 I would like to nominate Evelyn span for chair for the year 2025 second is there any other nominations right with no other nominations the floor is closed for chair all right roll call for Evelyn span for chair for 2025 Miss Anderson yes Miss elwi yes Mr ginnings yes Mr Stewart yes Mr Whitman yes and Miss Bond yes thank you now in form we will open nominations for vice chair uh for the planning board for this year do I have any nominations I nominate Wayne got a second second all roll call Miss Anderson any other nominations oh I'm sorry that's okay any other nominations here none with our small little group no one okay right we'll call for Mr Whitman for vice chair for 2025 Miss Anderson yes Miss elwi yes Mr Giddings yes Mr Stewart yes Mr Whitman thank yes and Miss Bond yes and and thank you and thank both of you next on the agenda is to approve board secretary administrative officer um I will uh gladly nominate Robin um even tonight as late as the DRC there were uh compliments in accolades for her which I I see very often but if I could have a second second R Cole Miss Anderson yes Miss El badawi yes Mr Giddings yes uh Mr Stewart yes Mr Whitman yes and Miss Bon yes thank you everyone next on on the agenda are planning board representatives to the development Review Committee um nominations and elections of uh the development Review Committee how is is that an appointment from the chair Robin I just want to make sure that that this is that I'm doing this appropriately okay um last year we had Mr ginnings uh correct and who was who else did we have we had bill um and uh and Wayne as the alternate gentlemen would you be willing to keep those positions is that I mean I know five o'clock can be difficult for you Wayne would you remain alternate for now does that or would you rather me appoint someone else or what's your here I'm not going to be here till March so I will be here through March so I don't know that we would need an alternate yet but are we that's fine is that okay you don't want to lean on is that fine that's fine okay all right so we'll we'll keep the um the development Review Committee uh Representatives uh as is um Aman who will be you'll be the representative from the township committee yes and then mayor kir will also be joining us okay excellent um then at that meeting they can appoint a chair so we will have at our first development Review Committee now that we've had our appointments then we'll appoint a chair at that point okay yeah I'm sorry and maybe I misunderstood your question um mayor Canam is is here on the planning board but I am the representative on the DRC that's what I thought okay yes uh we could only have one of you for sure for sure um yes but we're very happy to have you at the table thank you I'm excited to be there thank you all right excellent in uh not to lump all of our professionals together but can we uh get a motion to approve our professionals as noted in our packet our board attorney engineer um conflict board engineer planner traffic consultant and our conflict traffic consultant we need to have our conflict engineering Consultants named in case we need them I think we've needed them occasionally um but it would be our uh same team so it would be uh I'm going to say dragon I know Dragon I'm so sorry so Sharon Dragon for um our board attorney Elizabeth Lany for our planner Dave hoder as the board engineer Tom Decker who is the uh current engineer for the township committee would be the conflict engineer uh if needed Andrew Fonda of course is our traffic consultant Dave Corner uh would be the uh conflict traffic engineer uh if needed uh can I get a recommendation a motion to accept the um and award these professionals as noted so moved and I'll second that excellent roll call Miss Anderson yes M elwi yes Mr Giddings yes Mr Stewart yes Mr yes and Miss Bon yes thank you you can stay now you you are very welcome and we really do I have to say we really do appreciate and enjoy working with all four of you um I really do enjoy the relationship and and the information that you bring to the table you're always well prepared and that's very helpful to this board so thank you all right the 2025 calendar year approval if you'll look at the calendar there are only two dates that are not the first Thursday of the month it would be the July 10th date which is uh to avoid the Fourth of July week and then also the October 9th date uh for the uh for rashash Shana so we'll move it to October 9th so those are the only two move dates everything else I believe is the first Thursday of the month any questions anyone need to move anything change anything any recommendations I won be here for I'm okay we're so sorry we will miss you fun someplace some place fun there you go wow you can go approved all right I will need a motion to approve the calendar uh as presented um so moved no you can still move that's right I mooved all right I'll second it okay all right roll call Miss Anderson yes Miss badawi yes Mr Giddings yes Mr Stewart yes Mr Whitman yes and Miss Bond yes thank you uh what do we have next newspaper um Robin you want to do this one so so y I have a question on that I read recently that the Trenton Times is going to stop publishing as a print paper does that create a yes it does I just got notied yesterday and the clerk said that I have to advise her of any notices after was it February 2nd or something they were going to stop printing so yeah the law that came into effect starts in March but yeah they're gonna stop printing February 2nd the law just got passed it's kind of a temporary stop Gap just got signed and it's says that um uh the you can continue using your same newspaper and under whatever format it publishes under in other words if it's just going digitally you can still use that as a digital format um from till March 1 so if you need a copy of that I'll let you know I'm not sure how that's so what happens after March 1 I don't really know yet I I don't they're they're going to have to everybody's everybody's going electronically here anymore well that's exactly I think everything's going to become electronic you know and I I don't people that don't use the internet you know for not looking for notices I'm not sure how they're going to get notice but I guess they'll get their notices mailed to them is what's going to happen well within 200 200 feet 200 feet they come they can go do that too you know website yeah so uh they're working on a fix um that but I don't I if the newspapers are going out of business they're going out of business you know or if they're going to stop publishing paper print you know so it's probably just going the way of digital I think so what I'm hearing is it's okay to continue with our current sources now we may or may not have to revisit that on um in March they haven't created a less stop Gap measure yeah yeah okay are are any of your newspapers are they still staying the ones that you've chosen here um like the cranberry yeah I haven't heard anything about cranberry press maybe they're still staying possibly yeah we don't use them for notices yeah most online I think everything's going to be done online then yep okay so anyway just that little tid bit of information thank you okay so so the 20125 official newspaper that the planning board will be given notices for is going to be the Trenton Times the secondary paper is cranberry press that is just for agendas um for notice only they don't print anything it's just we have to supply at least two papers of the agenda so that's what you're going to be voting on I move uh that we approve them and then revisit at the March meeting to confirm that it's still current with the law we have a second second thanks all right roll call Miss Anderson yes Miss alwi yes Mr Giddings yes Mr yes Mr Whitman yes and Miss Bond yes thank you motion passed all right that takes care of our uh reorg uh public comments for non-agenda items hearing none we will close public comment uh approval of minutes the December 5th um minutes uh do we have enough eligible for the December 5th you could have one okay all right uh can I have a motion to approve the minutes from December 5th move so moved second okay roll call Miss Anderson yes Miss elwi yes Mr Giddings yes Mr Stewart yes and Miss Bond yes thank you motion passed Sharon explain to us are we tbling the um Ware resolutions yes they uh sent uh Robin a email request asking them to be carried to the February meeting um they have to they want to still review them they some people were not around to review so so we will carry the Wayfair resolution to the February 5th meeting I I did send a uh revised draft I got some comments from Dave hoder very small so I did send a second set out okay but I I'll see if we get any comments from the other side in the we we want them to review them and not just and and so that's important um so we're we're happy that for them to do that and we'll just carry it to the next meeting okay and we don't have to R notice that then once they make the request then we have time okay all right February 6 what's that February 6 February 6 oh that is indeed what it says sorry Robin February 6th meeting it does say February 5th that's online I changed it sorry I upd it February 6 it is okay sorry here we go um on a discussion I just wanted to take a u a minute tonight to just ask the board we had a few um I'm going to say dangling participles last year some things that we kind of talked about and said do we want to send us over to the zoning committee to look at would we like our professionals to look at certain things so I just pulled those from the minutes from last year and from my notes from last year two things that I found that I that uh I will put out to you to see if if you're amendable to uh one would be um including the um Warehouse Turnpike signage um formula that Dynamic engineering uh gave to us Robin has copies if you'd like to look at it we don't need to discuss it tonight but we should at least have the conversation is that something that we want to review uh and have uh the zoning committee review and and amend our sign ordinance it's a process but then it would be part of the ordinance and it would be part of what what the applicant would get if they had specifically a warehouse along the Turn Pipe I guess we could also use the formula for warehouses on Halfacre Road given the size of the warehouse It's just formulaic to say if you're going at this speed and you're this far this is how big the sign need needs to be in order for it to be legible that's essentially and it does come from accredited um sites um but we can have Liz look into it and make sure that it's you know not a a thumbnail um yeah I think the idea was to you know we're always sort of guessing what is an appropriate amount of square footage for signage and almost always whatever we say is appropriate somebody comes in and seeks appearance saying it's not big enough so not that that won't happen continue to happen but I think if we sort of say listen we've we've looked at this we have this formula it might give us first of all substantiate why we pick a certain square footage but it also gives us um like to stand on and pushing back too to sort of say you know what 500 square feet is too big like you don't need it that much you know so okay yeah because unfortunately I don't remember one application last year they came in with a sign that they didn't ask for a variant so it's like every every everybody coming in wanted a variance from our ordinance so just to clarify why include Halfacre Road are you saying facing the no what I'm saying is you could also use this formula to apply on Halfacre Road given the speed of Halfacre Road at 50 miles per hour these are you know 950,000 square foot warehouses can you use that square foot area distance speed and visibility it's just a formula to say what's legible some of our signs in uh our sign ordinance was really modeled for 300,000 400,000 square foot warehouses as they continue to get bigger our sign ordinance didn't follow the only thing that makes me nervous about Happ Pi a road conceptually and maybe I'm misunderstanding it and can be convinced otherwise I told don't mind bigger signs facing the turnpike I mean within reason you know until it it'ss you know out of step with what other people do I don't live the idea of big signs on facing Route 130 directly across from our town downtown and Route 130 is legal 55 so if we start authorizing roads other than the turnpike to have it then I see them coming back and saying well if we can do it on half or road because it's 50 then we should be able to do it on Route 130 which would make me n right you have basically four roads that Bo that go through the industrial park of 50 to 55 which is Granbury South River Road Halfacre Road Station Road and Route 130 all of those roads are 50 to 55 miles an hour so and okay so maybe we should limit it to the term bike and maybe that's where we start and let's see how it goes and we'll just keep it limited to the term pike very yeah sure I'd be amenable to that if it's and quite frankly how many more warehouses are going to be built along the Turn Pike right now but they change hands is that okay all right say okay great I'm GNA get on on this new new adjustment yeah knowing that kind of generally been discussed I will say as I I've been paying attention as I drive down the turn bike and I can read every sign I was going to say generally these we offered variances typically yeah up to up to like 200% I did but I think some of these my memory was when this came up about the formulas they were suggesting something even bigger than what we've approved before yeah and all I'm saying is what I have seen has seemed adequate for me to be able these standards are usually conservative so it's like when you hire an AV consultant they they you know this it's the same type of thing is there's a certain size per distance and it's so that everybody can see it and it's generally bigger than what it really requires you know it's ideal if you can meet it great but that I don't think that ISO should be our our standard per se but I'm I'm cool with the idea that Liz is going to look into this using this as a starting point but give us something that she thinks is reasonable and consistent maybe with what other te yes property facing you know yeah and I I do believe we're the most concern conservative I know when Amazon comes before us they're like Robinsville gives us 300% you're giving us 100% I was like Robinsville is much nicer than us I think as part of this analysis we should look at what has been approved in Cranberry you know along the term pike what was that's a good idea what was permitted what needed a variance what was approved and just just to give us all you know because it does seem like everybody needs a VAR but you know I mean but at the same time maybe whatever we do going to come in and be like we need a bigger sign you know because that that's not uncommon too I like the idea of going back and seeing what we have approved in the past that's sort of what the zoning committee was designed for is to reduce the number of variances requested if we're going if we have a history of approving 100% greater than then we should just write the standard in that way but if we don't having data is good but the zoning committee could have a look at it and we may or may not approve it we may or may not think that it's better for us but I would I wouldn't mind or I am asking the board if they would uh approve letting the zoning committee at least look at it uh holistically that would be a zoning they're zoning members planning members TC and professionals so it's not really something that we do or should do um but if we could volley it to uh the township to look at I think it you know if it can avoid variances or at least let us know what we are doing as a holistically as a board I I find Value in that so you're looking at the variances of all the signs that we have just the on on Turnpike Turnpike okay just specifically on the turnpike I think narrowing the focus to that will give us um I I think that's a narrow Focus and and I think that's doable okay is that okay yeah I don't have any problem I I have no problem with that I do agree with Jason though because I think you open up a can of worms and then you know then everybody's going to want a big sign along and if we if we do the research and get the numbers then we'll we'll know we won't we won't have to think you know what we have been doing I mean if let's say look in you know from 2020 until now here's what you've done and then we say oh well we're doing it as a caseby case basis and we're not consistent so let's leave it as caseby case basis and it doesn't go any further whatever signs we allow facing the noticeable as some of things putal so true so true um so it may also just wind up in the end we don't know yet but to be a tool for the board because I think I mean I have a hard time conceptualizing if somebody comes in and you know we say you can have a 350 square foot and they say well we need 450 and it's kind of like well I don't know what that means it's a huge Warehouse what does that look like and so we don't have a we don't we don't have any bases we can just say well I don't I think that's too big or I feel like that's that's aggressive um my my reason for doing this is I I felt very um badly for one applicant um who was a long the term like we did not allow them to have a bigger sign and it was our very first kind of instance and then after that we started allowing 200% bigger 300% bigger so I just like to see us have some something to fall back on in some kind of consistency um and the zoning board would be the right conduit uh for that what but uh to this boards um from what you guys are saying I also don't want to spend SP the professionals time energy money and then this board say we're not you know we don't want any part of that if we think we're interested and we might have something um and if you could report back let's say that gets you know you at least find out what our history has been and I think the planning board could initiate that part of it then we can see if there's grounds to do it how about we start there you guys good with that yeah it's better better place to start um do do we have a zoning committee put in place or not yet uh that would be the uh under the direction of the township committee under Mayor Scott we had one under you we had one yeah um but it it is the initiative of the township committee and I believe they are um I'm gonna say ad hoc they they gather if needed I'm not sure they are always appointed that was something that uh Matt Scott initiated that hadn't been done for quite a while so we distinguishing Z committee from board zoning committee is different than zoning board yes zoning uh committee is a culmination of planning zoning Professionals in Township um so are you um are you is that a request that we look at this now not yet so I we're I'm gonna dial that back and just ask Liz to see if we've got grounds to go to the township committee uh if we feel that we have grounds um when we started the zoning committee we uh our effort was to help the zoning board reduce their number of applications and I think that was quite successful yes um according to marily Miko she was quite uh you know she saw over time that that was helpful for them to not have the same variance um month after month so so I think we'll just leave that with Liz so that's one uh the second one is um design guidelines for specifically for Cedarbrook we seem to rebuild these uh site plans every single time and we continue to go to the applicant and say this is a very um intentional Placid space this is got water features it has Landscaping it has beautiful brick buildings it's got tall glass for and it's got walking paths and we constantly have to remind the applicant that we would like for uh their three um blowers for example to be buffered or landscaped for for reasons that Cedarbrook is just different than some of the other locations so my question to the board is should we have Liz prepare design guidelines that can be given to the applicant to say this is the board's expectations we would like here we would like to see um you know Landscaping we would like to see Ballers we would like to see you know a ADA Compliant spaces we would also like to see this done in an aesthetically uh pleasing way and the board will incorporate Aesthetics into their uh requests or decision so um I would I could direct Liz to do that as chair but I would like the board's feedback to say do you think this is a valuable some of our meetings we are building uh site plans for people I feel like it would be helpful if we just say you're you know Robin can say these are the design guidelines if they come to us and ignore all the design guidelines well then we go from scratch but it is a hopeful um uh list that we could at least give them something and I believe Bill that was your suggestion it's like why don't why are we doing this over and over and over again and I don't know if this will help but it's the one it's the only thing I can really think of that's within our purview to kind of help us not have the applicant um not have to beat the applicant um not beat the applicant up but just really constantly go say and say yeah and say you know where's your trash where's your buffering what's your Landscaping this is the Hat commissions list you know just we have to it's like new news to them and it's old news to us and didn't Mr holder before bring up the idea of that the checklist should be reviewed as well and updated because it seems like to give it a little more tee so that he can get those items addressed before it comes to the board because it seems like we're reviewing the same things over and over you know especially a cedar book but you know both at the same time would that be something that Dave would do is that I I just don't know who would which of the professionals would do that or is that a would that be a joint it could be it could be I mean I think there's two two different ways that potentially could go about one is that there are a list of guidelines kind of the way HPC has guidelines that is informative but not um binding yeah not not binding not to put words into Sharon's mouth yeah yeah that that was gonna be my question you know that's informative sorry go ahead Sharon I was gonna say unless you adopt an ordinance they're not going to be you know required so if they would have to be understood that they're just guidelines if that's what we're doing yes Panton for the for the hot actually in the ordinance though it is it is it is actually in the ordinance okay that's okay so so that's one way of doing it another way of doing it is it become part of the checklist where it's like um you know provide did you provide provide screening around your Mechanicals did you you know that sort of thing um even for the like the fencing where they had barbed wire you know just maybe the checklist is you know maybe it's a combination of the two things um but I think this the guidelines would get us started and maybe uh Dave would you know have suggestions for um you know uh for the checklist but I just think we we continue to look they they have to almost be completely renovated back there for the number that we've done but I would like to see a set of guidelines um and I would like for our I I would like for that area to be um uh looked at kind of H more holistically I guess I I think reviewing it makes sense I mean obviously we'll hear what the suggestions are and have a chance to discuss it in more detail the only thing I would add is one of the things that became that we typically informally do despite raising these issues and certainly did in the last applicant in the end is contextually differentiate between space that's going to be visible to the public and space that's only going to be visible to workers which is why we conceded a lot of the issues in the last case so I would like to see some of that come through that they need that they should know that the board is going to expect them to be sensitive to and to have addressed this but that they're going to hold a different standard depending on whether it's visible to the public or not okay because otherwise we are you know it feels like we've made several exceptions and we'll continue to make exceptions I'd rather have a policy that we don't have to make a lot of exceptions to well then are we just doing it for this the Zoning for CED area not the highway do that that sounds like spot zoning yeah I was going to yeah I mean so so are we are we looking at Rec you know different recommendations for different zones I think it should either a be Universal zones or just Universal you know I mean whenever you do a warehouse development this is what we're expecting you know we I don't wherever it is unless it's unless it's truly not visible to anyone except the workers we have can we have cared about screening we've cared about Landscaping I think we can apply that as a general standard and then let us talk them let them talk us out of it rather than us having to talk them into it beyond that so we're looking at General recommendations for everywhere not just Cedarbrook is that what I I mean but but really specifically I think focused on sort of the outside Mechanicals and well there's a bunch of things like how many times has somebody come and wanted a generator and we got to go through the same nonsense every time yeah where's your D where's your spill prevention plan where's your screening where you locating every time and we're going through the same thing and it's like oh it's like a new thing and then then it's an hour just talking about a backup generator and um and I think that's what Dave was saying it's in the checklist and he can enforce that as being complete or not okay rather than us having to reinvent the wheel every time and in your checklist if we're talking about it being on a checklist that should be adopted by ordinance okay that's more than just a guideline at that point so then to move it forward that's okay can we can right but can I I think uh maybe to move us forward we at least let Dave and Liz see if there is enough to substantiate um taking taking it to the township committee and saying this is this is the planning board's recommendation to add this as an ordinance but then it would have to go through the Township's um process um but I think first we have to see if there's enough to substantiate uh getting an ordinance changed is a big is a big deal and we need to it it needs to be worthy um but I do think I don't think it's a binary choice though I think we give them the assignment and they can come back and it's ordinance worthy or we suggest you do this without it being a formal checklist but we can still do WHYY yeah sure actually have a question maybe it's for Robin but I know we've talked in the past about more people availing them themselves of the DRC because it seems like people that come to the DRC have a better outcome how does that work how do you if somebody approaches you let's say with an application do you just suggest you know hey you might want to go to the DRC and most of them just say no okay the procedure yeah we got it yeah yeah no problem is there is there a cost impact going to the DRC yes they have to pay for their professionals yes okay so they just decide professionals and our professionals but they would pay less for fre exactly right they' pay less for um if they could get through a hearing in one night the part surprising is It's usually the same collection of attorneys so if it was someone who wasn't familiar with us it would totally make sense that they're overconfident in in pursuing it but you'd think eventually the attorneys would advise them done this a hundred times and they're going to stop you up for three hours on these points or may not approve it at all or you can do one hour at the DRC and we can't require correct okay that was an update in the master plan in 2019 that it's not required it used to be but it's not anymore okay they actually would uh probably save in the end you know with because I just I I was just telling some members that transcript for the um Wayfair that was 200 pages that I had to read so you know just trying to go back double cross check okay what did they say at the meeting versus what was in the reports the notes that we took the minutes you know I wanted to try to just make it all consistent and so they probably could have saved you know a good amount of time if had they just come to DRC and say what do you folks need that was our plan look you know so rather than a 300 can we suggest it we do I know but Robin does I'll use that write i s say like the DRC is not looking for work but the planning board also doesn't but it makes sense to come in and throw these ideas against somebody and and say well hey that's problem but that's you're not going to get they're not going to go with that the board's probably not going to go with that I mean you could go present your case and don't be surprised um if you don't get an approval but you know and and uh and I also I I do think and you can correct me if I'm wrong that cranberry is different granberry has a very high standard for Aesthetics and I think you do experience people coming in saying I can't believe we have to do this for trash compactor or whatever you know and it's like well it matters to us and I think that gets expressed it's better for that to get expressed in the DRC than in a hearing you know where it's like come back you know come back with something better so and and some I mean I had conversations offline with the biocon professionals and no matter how many times I was like you got to go look at these other projects you got to see what they they didn't you know so I mean at some point you can lead them to water and then they do or they don't but I think it's that's where I would recommend people to come in for the DRC I mean not that Robin's done anything wrong it's just that you got to understand that their the standard of Aesthetics is is high in Cranberry I didn't realize that because I have nothing to compare us to other than our end result that I see in the town and I do like no we're we're we're what I see um I just assume all plan Bo take people to the M over no no no no and and I've been told that like you guys are just like murder and I said well in the end you know basically the planning board is the board of yes but and to get to the but is the no right the board of not but so we have to come to some kind of resolution to a point but you might not get what you want yeah so so yep didn't mean to cut so would you guys be amenable to at least them looking at some way of just trying to give Robin more ammunition to um be able to share Robin do you have an opinion on this hly my opinion is they're going to come back anyway but if you want me to push thec harder that's fine I understand point I didn't I didn't mean the DRC because you can't that that's you have to be objective and and give them what they what they want you can't be the salesperson my my question to you and I apologize it prefit uh do you have an opinion on guidelines um checklist do you from what you've seen happen here do you think either one of those things strengthening them making them more the checklist needs to be updated yes 100% okay I AG 100% with David hoder yes I'm part of the complet review in way okay so yeah I would upd to the point of the attorneys have come to the board multiple times in my observation doing this for one year is it's often their professionals whose the presentations they're making are lacking and don't seem to understand what we as as Township and as a board expect and if when they're going to DRC that's probably communicated but in the checklists and guidelines like is there a way to make sure that I mean sometimes you see applicants like pissed off at their you know architect or engineer because the guy just clearly thought this is easy I'll be home to watch Matlock you know yes and it's not and it shouldn't be easy and if there's a way to communicate to each applicant that they need to really make sure that they're professionals understand and follow I think the checklist will really help everyone the time we spend on meetings as well as the applicants because the drawings are poor part of part of the game is to show as little as possible because you know you're gonna have to give in something so as much as we can give the professionals the ability in the whether or not the drawings are deemed complete they should be more thorough they should show all the context not just show the little piece and let us figure out and ask all the questions if you know if you make them show it then it's and make it part of the check the checklist of what we're looking at Dave can say no it's not de complete you're not showing this you're not showing this and this and it's going to flush out a lot of our conversations are just waste of time so maybe what I'm hearing where we need to start is with the checklist it sounds like it let's start with the checklist uh we'll put you running with um the signage um uh investigation on our variances and what we've what we've been approving you work that and then uh we will um have Robin LS on to Dave and just talk about building a updated checklist which from what Sharon said will have to be approved by the township committee I think the township committee would be amendable to um and I know you can't speak for the township committee but do you think they would be amenable to um approving an an updated checklist if it hasn't been updated in a in a period of time I think that that checklist reflects a lot of conversation that our different boards and commissions have have also lifted uh namely like shade tree and um work that sort of enhances everybody's Collective voice I think is great I think that um myself and Michael fante being on this board sort of experiencing some sometimes the of going through the same process each time uh will testify to to that was a great way to say it but but the truth is you know things worked for when they worked and when things have changed a little bit um it makes sense to revisit it great can I add one point of course um and this may be kind of trying to make this work smoother but we've had some some applicants we've had come in here and they're firing on all cylinders they got everything prepared they make a wonderful presentation they got it all laid out they they stayed all their case somewhere along the line they got the information to do it all right and you know is were they looking at something we gave them so they go down some checklist because those are the ones that like okay there's not much here to argue with you know we we nitpick a couple things but it's like you obviously have thought about all this stuff you did your homework you you made sure everything was covered you worked well our professionals you got questions and it and it's all laid out then you got some people come in here like you say they're they're you give us 10% of what we want and we're build we're we're building their plane flying it down the runway and I don't get how we go from one that's so well prepared to one that's just is it the applicant that it's on it's the onus is on applicant to make sure they go down some kind of list that we have or or they just know that we're such honorous people here that you know we want all this stuff and if we get it then you got a good chance of getting what you want I I don't know it's just it's the game some people do you know do their job they do it right and some people are just trying to do the minimum get the minimum buy save the most money for the client in terms of construction costs and giving giving the professionals the teeth to not even let it get to hear because most of these applications shouldn't even be here before us in the in the form that they're coming yeah I agree I agree on a similar but different note um you know I find for myself um sometimes the the most difficult thing to follow is the actual board that I can't see that's over there where they're pointing and they're totally covered what they're pointing at and um you know I I keep I keep looking at that screen back s and wondering can that ever become part of this process well they could do something electronically I know that it does work Robin what's your opinion on being able to utilize this we could do some somebody has an extension I don't know how awkward it would be to have the applicant here you know I don't unless they brought their own like recording I'm going to say recording secretary that would that would do that but then it's for our convenience and not for theirs I do think it's it's convenient for the people watching on YouTube because they can't see what so for other towns especially during the pandemic we would have to give the file we'd have to email them the file and they would operate it right okay and it would just next next next and then they you know so then if they had a that's a question you know I don't know if I want to be responsible for messing something up with the applic you know and and that may not be fair to to add that to Robin's table but you know they already give us a file it's just that it takes a long time to populate like that may be another issue like when you switch from page to page because there's an internet component I guess to it should just be a continuous PDF they're just plugged into that TV it's running off their computer and it's just a matter of them they gave us that we got document the same as what they presented meeting sometimes have updated things more right when they've updated to the last yeah yeah yeah yeah um just [Music] a one of people the table on my laptop and and maybe what we do given the feedback is that when we have a more complex application we ask for that if it's if it's less Med General let me ask one question is could it literally be where you bring the file up and they have a wireless mouse where all they can do is scroll up and down the file and that's it and then this way you don't have to do anything they're just scrolling the file has the township used that has the township utilize something like that does a Township have a tech uh person that the township that ask that question capability is there um and what would be the best route to do that so maybe that's a question to go to Denise with to see what her you know what her thoughts are on that if Robin is is scribing she certainly couldn't drive that but maybe there is a a conduit or a way to Bluetooth in and get it done and I think if it's just a Bluetooth mouse that bring it up on the screen it shows this way there's control of it and the requirements are it has to be a you know PDF file that is no bigger than 20 you know Meg or whatever and you you know bring up on the computer give them the mouse and they just scroll through whatever page they want there's also things like you could have they make things like cameras that sit at a little angle off of easel that can broadcast whatever on easel I mean there's there's half a dozen Technical Solutions to this that are not zero cost but very yeah lot of okay so things work on for this year to you know to improve where we are to make ourselves more efficient um everyone around this table is a volunteer um you know you everyone around this table is a volunteer and you know you do this uh um you know out of the goodness for your community and so I just want to at least be cognitive of how do we make it more efficient so that you you know so that what we do is helpful and we're not Reinventing the wheel for the professionals uh each time so if you guys are good with that we'll at least move those and then we'll follow we'll see where they lead um but when Robin and I were at the New Jersey League of municipalities they really uh encouraged us or talked about you know this is the planning board so at least think Visionary of what else should this board be doing other than the time when you're you know reevaluating your master plan are there things you can do to make your board more efficient um give your board more uh better information and to make the meeting be clearer uh to everyone at the table so that's where those things came from um so we'll we'll let's see where they lead and we'll check in uh at the March meeting okay is that fair we'll check in at the March meeting so if you get put it on the March um agenda and then we'll just we'll see where we got you should have an answer back you should have an answer back from Denise on the tech person yes because I know I know I remember in the past the township had a tech person that somewhere we do have a tech person I'm just not sure uh what is the extent of their capacity especially with something like this because typically when we present on that screen it is like me bringing in my computer attaching it to that dongle right there right so the the question for the tech would be is there a Bluetooth capability where it can where it can be done from that table yes and maybe that's what I'll do is I'll I'll actually walk this through with them to say what do we need what could we do yes that be great that would be good thank you oh thank you I would love to be able to follow a presentation from beginning to end like you you are on that side so you have the advantage this side is a little bit hindered as he graduate so you have to see the most senior people person on the board and where they sit that should be our first indication so anyway um thank you anything else from anyone else if not I'll take a motion to adjourn some moved and a second second all hi all right very good job back in business we are back in business