Okay, we're good. >> All right, everyone. It's uh Wednesday, October 15, 25 meeting of the Township Parks Recreation Commission. Let's begin with a pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Can we have a reading of our statement notice?
Pursuant to the Open Public Meetings Act, notice of this meeting was sent to the Cranberry Press, the Trenton Times, and Home News Tribune on January 3rd, 2025, posted on the bulletin board, posted on the township's website, and sent to those who requested a copy of this notice.
>> All right. Can we have a roll call for attendance and report of our volunteer hours? >> Christina >> here. >> Brandon >> here two hours. >> Katie >> here 1 hour. >> Kelly
>> here two hours. >> Sally >> here three hours and Christina did more than three hours. >> Deep >> here. votes. >> Here and we also have Matt Scott in
attendance and Ken Jacobs. >> All right. Um, >> there we go. >> I will the traffic with the I guess the on. >> All right. Can we uh have the two of you report your volunteer hours for the past
month? >> Uh five, including for the last prior. Thank you. >> Okay, there's All right. Um minutes. Um if there are no if there's no discussion
of or request the changes to the draft minutes I would entertain a motion and a second for uh us to approve our minutes from last month. Well, I have a question. Under reports, um the first page department
had no updates to report that >> I see the callation. >> So, it's he didn't have updates other than the the items pulled out separate from the DPW list. I guess >> that's just confusing to me
because there were updates. What I don't we'll have to >> so his public works list I know I asked him to fix the
musical instrument piece at Heritage Park. >> Right. Okay. >> So maybe that's a different spot. >> But there was no update on that. Nothing nothing changed. Right. It's just to me it's confusing where you say he had no updates and then you list all the things he said.
>> So he did have updates. He had updates on all those things that he said. >> Yeah, it's broke it's but it's broken out by agenda item and the DBW list. >> Maybe it should say Mr. James had the following updates to report. No >> um
>> unless I I mean I >> I'm making just I when in my disagreement I'm making just a big amount out of Mo. So >> that's just my >> I don't know.
>> I do see that. Yeah. Um what can All right, we can What? How about for DPWS update? Mr. said, "No updates to report uh from no updates from DPW to report.
It's an agenda item and we can't remove it from the >> Okay, you can leave it how it is. It's just it was confusing." >> Okay. All right. Anyone else? Uh Sally, anything else?
All right. Um, is there a motion to approve uh the minutes from last one? >> I'll move to approve the >> Thank you, Sally. Thank you, Sally. Is there a second? >> All right. Thank you. Roll call, please.
>> Christina, >> yes. >> Brandon, >> yes. >> Katie, >> I guess. Kelly, >> yes. >> Omar, >> yes. >> Sally, >> yes. >> Deepa,
>> yes. >> And >> yes. >> All right, minutes are approved, I do believe. And let us move on to our reports, starting with the report from our uh recreation director, K Jacobs.
>> Okay. Thank you. The Department of Public Works um has fixed the musical piece uh at Heritage Park that is done. Um I went back and tried to dig up the list that
we had. Um and everything that was on the list has either been taken care of by public works or is something that we are going out with um private groups to take care of like the water filling
station. So um there really is no public works list that I can chest tables have been installed, roof at the pavilion, the clearing of the trails, musical piece, those things are all have all been taken care of.
Um so moving on from from that list, the pickup ball tennis court update, the fence post are in. Um now the next step is to put the mesh up and then the um
sound proofing has to go up and then the surfacing has to be has to be seal coat and then painted. And hopefully they can get that all done within the next few weeks here before the weather gets too
cold to do some of this. I believe it's 50 degrees of constant temperature of 50 degrees is what they're what they need. I I believe that's what that is. So, we're we're getting close um to um you know, very close to the time
where we might have to wait, which would mean that we couldn't open those until the spring of next year. I certainly hope that doesn't happen, but um it's getting closer to that time. Um, I I did do at the request of I believe
uh Katie asked us the last me at the meeting before for the recreation trust fund report. If you pass that out, I can kind of go over this with you um as you get it. Um
I hope I have enough for everybody. Um the what you'll once you see it you'll you'll see for the for the year as of October 7th we in a negative of about
16,000 165 um reason being is one you know revenue was not as high this year for summer camp last year was an absolute I feel anomaly for camp. I mean, to fill
almost every week like we did was was tremendous. This year we had several weeks that were full. Um, we spent less money obviously than we did the previous year, but our revenue last year was uh for summer camp was around 150,000.
Um, so but the camp did well as you could see. Um, still still was a positive. the um we had some additional expenses. The miscellaneous capital was the soccer field nets that we had to to purchase because the ones the other ones
were damaged over at uh Milstone. Um we we actually paid a little more for those program subsidies which is like senior fellowship and golden age. Um we gave them they had requested a little
bit more money and we we took that out of the trust fund the extra money. Um we are we paid for field lighting paint um this year. Um so that was an added
expense. Uh the computer software did go up I think a couple hundred dollars. That's a that's our annual fee for that. Um, we did have field hockey camp which we we did make a little money off of
that. Um, and office supplies. We had to buy a new printer um for the office. So, we needed that. And you can see the number of pavilion rentals. We we do very well with the pavilion rentals. Um
and the reason again the reason why the field maintenance field rental is is uh a negative is because of the field marking that we had to to buy. Um
anybody have any questions on this report? >> Yes. Could you explain um was it pavilion rental? That's when people rent the pavilion for a park. >> So, we were hoping to get $7,000.
>> No, no, that was how much we took in. Says program revenue. That's the revenue. >> We took that. And why why does it cost us 5,600? >> So, we So, we take in not only the rental fee, but also a security deposit.
We have to give the security deposit back afterwards if they don't if the rental is not um if everything is fine. after the round. >> So the numbers account not just for money that was like spent but money that changed hands. >> Yes.
>> Yeah. >> So the real money >> Yeah.$100, >> right? >> Yeah. And our fees are so small. That's why and we've taken in actually since then I think some more money for that because some people are still rent people are
still renting their the pavilion for parties. Any other questions? >> Anyone else? No. All right. >> Yeah. >> Is the task for next year try to get
this in the green or is it just >> it's our our task is to try to get it at zero. That's really what it is. Last year I think we were a net positive of somewhere around 25 30,000. So, >> so is it the script that should come up
with suggestions or is it >> Well, I mean, so I mean there's there's there's salary and wages that have that have that are going to be taken out regardless. You see it's 23 right now. It's probably going to be close to 30. It's going to we're gonna we're going to
be hardressed to make that much money um on any programs. So, it's trying to keep it if we can keep it at a at a zero, we can we should do that. Those those program subsidies were the senior fellowship and golden acres. Um, I'm
going to put in the budget my budget request for this year to cover those expenses. So, those won't hopefully be a negative. Um, that was $3,600 that we to that we typically don't have to output.
Um, and we have to take a look at the, you know, summer camp fees and staffing and all that. That's where, you know, that's where we could probably make some movement uh more towards the the good. Um, for sure. You know, last year we
were really understaffed in at summer camp, especially with them being full almost every week. So, this year, of course, what did we do? We overstaffed a little bit and maybe it came back to, you know, bite us a little bit on that
on that end. This is not bad. You know, we're we're fine where we are. We just can't continue to have, you know, every year like this year. Some years are good, some years are not so good. >> But it seems like it pretty much all
comes down to summer. >> Pretty much >> if we fill this >> Yeah. If we could come up with ideas on how to fill this summer. >> Mike, can you use your microphone? >> Uh, if we can come up with ideas on how to better fill this summer, >> like the rest of this kind of does,
>> right? It'll take care of Yeah, that'll take care of >> and I I think that what this shows is maybe we do need to raise our fees for the pavilion rental. I mean, they are so cheap and we're, you know, we've talked about that. Um, and we don't have to go
crazy with it, but just making it more um um competitive with other towns, right? We're now we're by far the cheapest in town. That's why we're getting we're getting a lot non-residents as well. So,
>> just a couple things. You mentioned last year was positive. Last year was actually also negative. >> Oh, it was. Um, so if you look at this time to now, we're actually down on
the balance from 111,000 down to 75,000. That's non trivial, right? That's more than 30% of what was in 2023 >> 2023 >> like 30%. I mean part of it that you're saying is
it's things like this where the costs have gone up and this year particularly like you said also that the u you know program probably didn't collect as much if you look at 16 this year roughly
about 10 11 last year and the year before was you know as close to zero as possible. There's probably some >> adjustment that is needed like you said on the program subsities but then you know to Mike's point I think looking at
fees uh revisiting that would probably be needed if if the goal is to at a minimum maintain the 75k because if this continues we're going to see further depletion then the catch up is going to mean a significant increase in fees which we
I'm looking at my last year's report. Yeah. I mean, we've we've taken on additional expenses um with, you know, obviously we've ne we've never paid for um field marking paint before and that
was so our field rental. I think that was 40 that was the $4,200. So we we've taken on that expense. We've you know we've we have added the computer software which is something that you know we really
need to have but I don't think we're really covering it. It's we're not using that to its best ability. Um we could actually possibly add the field rental I mean the pavilion rental um information
into that system and make that help. And that could be a reason why we can justify raising fees is to say, "Look, we're adding this feature to be able to reserve the pavilion online uh through the system." Um, you could see the
schedule of it that way, too. We could do that. But the one of the big things is our field rental fees have gone down significantly over the past few years. the Cranberry Soccer Club is really not using
the both the fields in the back um as much as they used to. And um that's that's hurt our bottom line for sure. >> I can see that two years ago,000. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's so and and probably before
that when they were the most active they were they were paying we were probably getting six or seven easy a year from them. So you know that's that's some so we've had some decreases in revenues and
some increases in expenditures. So, um, you know, there was it there was one point probably about 10 years ago where we're almost at zero, uh, in the trust fund. So, we've we've been able to to maintain. I'm not I'm not overly
concerned about losing a little bit of money. I think if we get to 50, I think I'll get a little concerned, but we have a balance and you know, we don't have to use it for anything but to support our programs. Um, so as long as we have
something in there, that's that's the key. To have a 100 is is a is a luxury. Um, but you know, to be at 75 is not alarming to me, but we need we do need to keep an eye on it for sure. Ken, if I may just
to clarify what I think is my understanding which I think is correct of this situation is that the trust fund is should not be understood as the same thing as the budget. The trust fund is like a account with money that comes in
and comes out >> y >> uh independent of the uh taxpayer unless >> correct >> the township should in the in their budget choose to put money into it which sometimes do. Yeah, on the township budget you see that 22,000 that's what
we get to help support our our department. >> But for the most part the trust fund exists as a vehicle to shovel money in and shovel money out even as sort of mundane kind of things you wouldn't think of like accepting security deposits and returning security
deposits. Um, so obviously we want to not be losing money. Um, as always, but that in a trust fund like this, you would expect it to sort of fluctuate. Um, and even if it was like teetering on
negative dollars, that's not the worst thing in the world. If there is coverage elsewhere in the municipal finances, is that do I have that right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yes. Thank you. >> It's outside this is outside the town. >> Yeah.
All right. Um, so we are looking at uh this like this group, the parks and recreation commission. Um, uh, we're looking at the possibility of raising the cost or
the charge for the uh, sorry, pavilion rental. I don't know why I can come up with that word. We're looking at raising the cost for the pavilion rental. And I I very much would support that although I don't know what the right
number is. And we're also thinking about it with regard to field rentals and permits which is something we are not I don't think as much looking at as like a sort of revenue source >> right
>> but it is something that perhaps we modernizing. Other than that, I think if we get bathrooms in um Fage Park, we can get rid of half the portage rental budget. Um that will be more expensive
than the portage rental, but even so. And uh >> just a little bit more. >> Just a little bit more. Yeah. But that that but that expense that's an expense that presumably would come out of the municipal uh budgets capital fund and not out of the recreation trust fund.
>> Correct. But uh that is not our decision to make. >> Yeah. >> What are those charges? >> We charge $250 for residents and 500 for non-resident. >> And what are we at now?
>> We are what? >> Resund for non-resident. Since you have a recommendation what we should charge for >> I would I would think 100 for residents and 200 for non-resident is certainly
reasonable. >> I think we we do if we can I think it's sensible to remain sort of we don't want to overshoot it. If we are lower we'll pull in more people and more money and get more people in the parks which is good. So we don't want to like we don't want to set the highest be around either
>> right in West [Music] toilet. We don't have that here. So you know you have to be that kind of thing as well. Um but yeah I mean 100 and 200 is people
people will still pay. So what is the process to go ahead and raise this committee or does decide? >> It goes to it has to go to TC. I believe there's a range in the um fee ordinance though. >> You know what I Yeah.
[Music] >> Yeah. They um >> I'll take a look and see if I can pull it out. Some of them are in in the ordinance and some of them are I think at the discretion of the town. Um but I think whatever whether it requires
a change in the law or just a change in the rates we set ourselves as the town I um I think the TC would be interested in are weighing in on it. Yes. Um, is there any oppos? Well, actually we should we
have this agenda separately or so, but I think we should wait perhaps for that. All right. Um, is there anything else then on the this report from Ken? >> That's all I have. We probably at some point should
>> but talk about how creative ways to promote summer camp are the fees something that need to be addressed there too like because that's >> I mean we can double the fees at the parks and it's $1,800
like that's nice but like >> it's very clear that the summer camp whether we live or die by enrollment and fees at the summer camp that's what it Or I mean there may be other great ways like finding another camp to rent fields
or other events that we can charge fees for. I don't know. But um but all those are going to be kind of these small >> right kind of deal >> things. >> It really comes down to like finding a way to drive full participation. You
want summer camp to be over subscribed. >> Exactly. >> All right. Uh, thank you for that report, Ken. I Let's move on. >> I have a question for Ken, >> please. >> I don't see anywhere on the
water station at Heritage Park. And Ken, is there any update on that? >> Why yes, Sally, there is. Um, we have contracted with a plumber to install that. Um the flags that are out there is
the electrical line that goes to the existing fountain so they don't cut that electrical line when they dig the water line. Um I was under the impression they were going to try to get to that this week, the plumber. Um but the we just
sent them the purchase order I believe today. So I will follow up with them tomorrow and try to get see when they're going to be on the schedule. I did see a tractor or some kind of vehicle in the car. >> I believe that's public works.
>> Can I ask which company you went with or is that not >> Oh, no. We went >> I've been dealing with so many different Who was it? >> Ra Nichols. >> Ra Nichols. >> They were the cheapest. >> We met with them.
>> Yeah. So Sally went to the park, met with all the potential plumbers, did a good job making friends. >> They had a hard time figuring out how the water was going to
be metered because you have that the town pays for this water. And uh finally we had someone from DPW come and and show us where the meter is and how if we plug into this one spot which is near the
parking lot it automatically goes to the meter. So um that part was was fixed. >> All right. Thank you for uh that I talked to about that earlier today. So I forgot to flag it when we didn't get a report on it here in this meeting. Um,
all right. Anybody else? We can. All right. Going once, going twice. All right. Parks and preserve updates. Any members have any reports for us on anything that they have observed or that has been reported to them on our parks and our our
reserves? I have nothing myself. >> Um, I noticed that in Heritage Park, I believe it was DPW that went around and trimmed all of the trees, the bottoms of all the trees. So it really it really looks good. There was a lot of I guess
they call it up cutting and that was that was nice that they did that. Anyone else any matters of concern or other new items? All right, let's move on to an EC report. Do we don't have anybody here from the EC?
>> Yes, we do. But we have somebody here from our own group who has diligently taken their time to keep us up. >> Glad to know that there was no meeting between last time and this time. The next meeting is Monday. So I have no report. >> All right. Excellent. Um I don't there's
no one here from Shade Tree and I don't have a report from them either. Do any other members have a report from Shade Tree? All right. And um we have our leazison from the township committee here, Matt Scott. Matt. >> Hey, good evening. Thank you. Um, let me just start. I'd like to give a little
bit of news around CC, excuse me, really hear about what's going on. Um, so just some quick updates. Um, the end of this month, we're going to have a a meeting in Trenton, meeting with a
judge who's working on our fair share housing plan. Um, and I won't give you any details, but just so you know, we're working on alternate plans um rather than um what they put forward thus far. So hopefully that um is productive. Uh
um couple other things. At our last meeting, we had at least 12 people come and ask the township committee to support a resolution supporting the immigrant trust act, which um is a bill before the New York New Jersey state legislature.
um basically um pushing back on the u ICE raids and in support of our local immigrant community. Um we're taking that underment. We're thinking about it. I can't say anything tonight, but we are actively thinking about passing
resolution. Uh a couple of minor things. I don't know if you guys know, but there's a a police blogger that's now available. Um which is great. It really details all the work that Cranberry Police Department does. Uh right now it's available on the police website. You can also click the link on the
township website, but it gives you in great detail um all the things that the police are doing dayto day. Uh so it's pretty interesting. Um one other news item, there was a there was a theory going around Facebook
that the township was prohibiting trick-or-treating on anywhere street. Not true. As as with so many things on Facebook, that's not true. You can trick or treat wherever you like. Um, so trigger Halloween coming up Friday.
Uh, so put your mask on. Go wherever you want. >> Um, will Main Street be locked off this year? >> No. >> It wasn't last year. >> No, it so we we did that when it was on a Saturday and Sunday. Um, again, Main
Street County Road, so there's all sorts of um heavy lifting there to get that closed. Unfortunately, I wish it was because the two years were closed. It was fantastic. But no, police will be out. They'll have their lights out, all
that good stuff. But >> Matt, while we're on that subject, is there >> Yeah. I mean, yeah, I live on Main Street. Last year it tapered off pretty quickly. So, but that [Music]
um [Music] I don't have anything parks and recreate from the last township meeting. Um I have a lot of questions, but I see on the agenda you guys are going to go through all these things. So, maybe I'll just uh type in when you guys get to
them. Um, if I could just add just a little bit of commentary, if you guys are thinking about a bathroom or a gazebo, you know, please ask sooner rather than later, please get some number committee. You know, ask for the sky. Um, you know, we're going to do if
you don't ask, nothing will happen. Um, so if your guests are serious about any of these things, you know, please, um, third effort to to get those numbers in to the TC in January. Um, you know, I've seen in past years where, you know, talk about things, you don't ask for them, then it just doesn't happen. But if you
ask, you never know. So, but I'll let you guys continue. Then, um, these other issues on the agenda I want to hear about. So, that's it. >> All right. Thank you, Matt. Does anyone have any questions for Matt on his report?
All right. Um, let us move on then to old business. We have our uh matters concerning our splash pad and circle procurement. Now I know we're going over Hold on a moment.
No, that's not here separately. Okay. Um we do have thanks to Fallon a revised draft of the community survey to look at. Um >> thanks Michael. Um >> oh >> I was gonna say so and
>> you sent the email. Um I know but I receded so um I missed the last obviously and so in some way they'll be sort of catching up on the context and the reactions to the larger draft. Um but there's absolutely no
just the right place. So I'm happy to make edits and I have not so sorry. >> Um all I did was try and focus it a little bit more and I think I took it down to like 10 questions. I sort of I
think I may have done more than necessary just because um honestly that was just easier. Usually when you have something that we thought was a little long, it's easier to go a little short and then if somebody really feels strongly trying to add something back in it. I do I didn't
know copies that are cut down to the 10 questions we want because I don't know if we sent >> So I don't think we sent it to the wider group. I just sent it to >> I wasn't sure. >> They are printed. Everyone has them in front of them.
>> This one with the track changes. It might actually easier honestly if you want to just pass these around. I think these are just >> it's like the edit. >> Is that what you've got? >> Yeah, this is just the the the track
change version. So, it's just down the 10 questions front map rather than trying to go through. I mean, you should have the other one so you can see what was done, but I'm just saying if you wanted to skip to the end and just see what all the questions were
left was in there. And that that was like I said, I don't have any private ownership over this. I was just trying to focus on something that I felt I kept reading the questions and saying after our like do we really have to know about this and this or like we also
discussed was there kind of a version two that would come out around something like bre or something like that and some of those questions put into so yeah so there's a short version and there's a track changes obviously >> okay so I have a question under number
eight >> you don't list cricket pitch >> that was just a total oversight. So, we could obviously do that. This was I went through this super quick. I thought that and I would have some time to do it, but she and I have been insanely busy. So,
um yeah, I'm sure I guarantee there are things I left off that should be >> No, and I think I I went broad on the first effort to try to get us to kind of whittle it down. And I think what I would find helpful in some ways we
covered this so I apologize but like what do we want to get out of this and like what are the crucial questions and what's the likelihood that we would do a part two right and and when and so I think it's just kind of like big picture what would be super important to get
into the budget season and then um if you can whittle that down and make it more focused great and the things that we kind of put on the credit floor is there a need for them at any point later in the year. >> And the only part two thing we really
came up with was around the summer camp discussion. Could could the rec camp technically be also a center of a part two survey that was a little more camp focused or camp plus a little bit >> focused
that it was a way to get maybe 20 questions in the next 12 months. But but I just figured and we tal the attention span that people were going to be asking is going to be limited. So also I also combined a lot of questions.
So like there were ones that you had that said, "Do we want this? Do we want this?" And I tried to make it into like like question eight, which was just here's everything we've talked about. Just circle. So yeah, I don't know. Even with this, it's still probably going to be tough. I
had talked about like we could I can go back to the cranberry business association and see if they would you know people would make a donation of like oh we'll raffle off whatever to you know every you know who however they fill
them out we'll draw from a hat and pick 10 lucky people to get a gift card or something like that like just something to get people to try and do a bunch of entries you don't want to say everybody gets something because then people just fill out BS surveys is. But um you if we
give them some sort of incentive like a $50 gift card and tennies or something like that, we might get a bunch of free pizza. Always good. >> Well, first of all, to do that, you would need them to be not anonymous. >> Uh true.
>> Well, we can we can separate out the survey completion uh from the we can separate the answers from the actual completion. >> Yeah. And you could also just add an 11th question that says, do you want to be part of the raffle? Yeah, like the 11th question can simply be what's your email and we'll just have
a list of emails that we can use to waffle. >> I have a question about number six. Um, do you participate in any president? I'm not sure why that is important in our future. I don't think we're going to get rid of any of these events. you may want
to find that my thought was that this survey was about the future of Cranberry and what the residents want and that one >> yeah I think that's actually a very valid thing we we were trying to decide that last time which was what really is the folks if it is all about the future
you might you might be right >> I'm totally fine >> I think that question initially now talk about a little bit was like We're talking about usage and like where we're putting our energy into improvements like what are the most used parks, what
are the most attended events and so I think you're right though if we use the lens of the future of cranberry and let that be sort of the guiding principle that >> so um I had a few thoughts I wanted to
or I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on a few things. Um, Sally, to your point, I don't think it's a bad question. I just don't know. I just don't think it's information we use effectively about the participation in the Cranberry events. I would propose
that we pull that out of the survey just to every single question, literally every single one, we're going to have people are going to be less interested in filling up the survey. >> Yeah. >> Um, and since I don't think that is going to give us too much that we can use, I would propose pulling that. I
would also propose pulling uh right the first question on the number of people in different age groups. Um that's good data to have but we can um we we have that data elsewhere and
uh I I don't know that we want that one. Um and the third thing I actually >> the only reason you collect that sort of data isn't so much to get your demographics overall. It's more if you want to line up like okay all the 55 and
overs are voting for dog park >> and all like so you just get an idea of like who's voting. >> Oh okay. So like we'll have like 80% of people who said they had somebody 11 to 21 blah blah blah. >> It's less like knowing what their household has and more about what who's
voting. >> That's just the cross the demographic. The question is probably what you're not what is who live, what is who uses the facility. >> Yeah, I think that >> there's a lot of words that I try to literally just go through. >> And to that point, I think that uh
question two and three. Well, I think all the questions should change to um the question about park should change from how often do you to how often do members of your household? Uh because we're not, you know, we're not going to
get a seven-year-old filling out this survey. We're going to get the seven-year-old's parents filling out the survey about, oh, like my kid goes there daily. But if I answer it, I would say um and that is perhaps
maybe it's not less useful, but we're just not going to get like the younger kids filling these out. And I I also doubt we're going to get both members, both uh members in a spousal couple filling it out. I feel like only one or the other is what we're going to get.
>> And so if we can capture more data for the whole family of just one survey response that I think that would be good. And to your point, I think we will need at that point to know >> uh the number of people in the household and their demograph their age demographics. I also think if we're going to leave in questions five and seven rather than having a completely
wide open field that's tough if there were a few suggestions we had in there or if we're going to leave them rather than you know start you know a few answers and then in other fields sort of thing rather than just leaving them blank because people tend to just
leave blank questions blank. >> Yeah. But having said that, I think that we by making people type something in a blank, we are ensuring that they feel strong more strongly about it than if we give them a multiple choice. >> 100%. And that's why you don't, you
know, don't do a billion options. You give them a few and they're not going to say something. Just or you could have one of the options be like there isn't anything. And it just could be, you know, I can't think of anything. >> Yeah.
>> Well, I I think five and seven and 10 could all be combined. >> I do agree. I think um five can go because it's duplicative with seven and 10. >> Well, I think the difference was more like are there things in the park and that may be duplicative with eight.
>> Yeah, but maybe. But the one of them should say about because we don't do we don't ask a lot about recreational activities if there's other clubs other things like that. We do focus a lot on parks and heartscape things and things
like that. We're not actually focused on like are there extra leagues or >> Thank you for doing this though. I know you like 60 pages questions. So, um just one question for two questions for number three. I was at um
Cranberry soccer game earlier today and some of the parents were talking about how we created a Turk field. They took one of the fields of the best property field multiple sports can be played on that. So, I don't know if that could be
one of the options listed. And then um the thought about lighting after hours came up again and to your point like that soccer is maybe doing milling down and a lot of the soccer practice or in the evenings. So is that number nine
cover about the request for if it's extended hours and they say yes we assume that we have to look at the ordinances and everything else about leaving. It could I mean you could always add a sub question. It could be our extended hours like something about
lights could be added as well too. I did in eight there is something that says we support mess of lights. We could make that once again these were done in very quickly it could be more explicit. >> Yeah those are just two topics that a
lot of families were really passionate about was like the light. I mean what I would just say too is we can honestly cut out a couple of these or combine them. I would then ask the rest of the group take a look at the other 30
questions, whatever they are, and see if there's >> 28 questions. >> I was close, >> not 30. >> 30 would be >> with the other questions in general. I just see like I guarantee I probably got
rid of something that was worth getting. I was just trying to get 10 of them. The one that was probably stands out given an earlier conversation about the camp. I think maybe there is some you know opportunity to bring a question back how to make
better something again. There was about five questions that I think it's elegantly done. I mean, I think after seeing the budget and seeing how important rec camp is, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to throw
one question at least towards. >> All right. So, here's what I'm thinking for us today. Is um everyone feel good about or mostly good about expanding the usage questions from you yourself to the you and your household? We all feel okay
about that? All right. Um, I also think for the question about parks in regular use, I would say let's just take Fisher Memorial Park in Brainer Dam, the Milstone Easement. Um, and the West Property Soccer Fields
off the list just because we know that not many people are using them and except for the West Property Fields which are game only fields. So, we should have a sense of when people are using those. >> The Millstone E. the Milstone easement also like if people are not necessarily gonna know what that is, but it's the
stream buffer behind the houses in Washington. Yeah. >> And what would people possibly use Barn Park for? Because when I was looking up some things for this yoga event, um
Barn Park is rented and reserved through the historic society. So I because I thought that was a park park, but it's not. >> It it Yeah, it is a park park. There's that thing going on there. Um, but all the same, I'd like the data on it if we can get it.
>> Um, and then >> sorry, which one did you say? >> Um, I I was thinking uh Fiser Memorial Park and Brainer Dam, the Millstone Easement, and the Westfields, which I understand is the West side fields. And also for B instead of writing cranberry
book preserve I would say cranberry book preserve parentheses west properties so that we it's more clear to some people who um I before I started this role I had no idea what cranberry book preserve was and that was it was the same thing or mostly the same thing as the west
property. Why are we getting rid of the west fields? That's >> that's the soccer fields that are game only fields. >> That's not technically ours or is that just >> I mean we could leave it on but I I don't Yeah, we can leave it on >> because I see actually I go back there like a lot.
>> Oh, I meant the is if is is Westfields meant to be the west property or the soccer fields by the at the end of the school? >> I guess you could just say soccer west soccer fields. >> Okay. West soccer fields. >> That's how they're listed in the open space and recreation plan. Those two fields.
Remind me where Hagerty is again. >> Hagerty is the Oh, yes. For Hagerty, can we do Hagerty property parenthesy in Oak Loop Trail? >> Thank you, Sally. Um, I have a question for you guys. This is great.
Um, logistically, how that's right getting what are your thoughts? I know we talked about using the list potentially >> and the mayor's update >> and the mayor's update
>> and approaching the school >> Facebook page and then we can ask other groups to share the Facebook page too like the cranberry business association I'd happily put it on my business page like I'm sure if I as George
pizza guys they put it there too like if I can be a little bit of slog to get it, but I think if we can get the rec and the mayor's update and all about >> school
like a central um weekly link. So, this would be a >> Dr. So, >> they'll be able to do this by email. We won't have to have paper then or >> I mean I would think I haven't even
thought about execution yet but but yeah I mean survey chip or something they feel really good about >> we could just do like Google um Google survey they're all pretty straightforward but I think yeah
>> we would do them all by um email I think I mean we could always have card copies here with Donna she could pass them out to everybody if we wanted to tally to the library. But then, >> you know, I can fill mine out online and then I can fill out the library.
>> You always potentially get duplicates. I guess the other the issue is like how many people are they really stuffing the ballot box. >> Also, we can like the 11th question will be what's your email address if you want to be entered into when a prize can
we can filter out duplicate email addresses. Although some people will submit different email addresses for it. >> I think the time frame on this is if we can pretty much settle this now, I would say like we want to get it out soon
because as soon as we get to like mid late November, people are not going to be paying attention to anything but Thanksgiving and the holidays. >> Um I don't people may feel differently, but that's kind of my sense. >> And the other thing is we can leave it open for a while, right? So we don't get
the >> participation we want right away. We can just resend it again. >> Does Google Forms summarize the data? >> Most platforms just summarize it for you.
>> Yeah, you can download it into like Excel spreadsheet. Yeah. So in addition to um >> please >> I was just going to suggest on our flyers we can use a QR code to go out their phone and get you know the
Google form that >> are those free QR codes I know it's a free app on your phone that can make your own QR codes. All right. So, on top of changing your
use to your household's use, scratching a few parks off that list, I would say five. What would cause you to utilize the parks more often? Um, and I I would say we can scratch five because it's duplicative of what other recreation activities do you want to see and what
uh eight, which is what physical uh facilities do you want to see? And I would also say scrap six just because we I don't know if we can use this data about what events they attend. I mean my I think those are all pretty uncontroversial. Does anyone object?
>> Well, I kind of like to see seven and 10 combined at the end. Any addition you'd like to see or what other suggestions? The only thing I would say with the I was gonna think about like are there actual lit like
>> a cricket league, adult softball league. Like I'm just making stuff up like actually recreation activities. >> But if you combine those >> the one at the end is supposed to be a catch all for like we didn't cover this. What else do you got? Right. because I
guarantee somebody's going to be like the turf field it wouldn't have been there and somebody would have said like I really wish one of the fields here was >> to your point Sally I think that seven should drill down not on what other activities you want to see or but like make it specific that we're asking about
what kind of programs do you want the town to offer not what kind of like fields or whatever but like do you want a golf or something >> so maybe just rewarded >> yeah and that was the intent so you need some reward and I think having some items underneath it will also make it Yeah, I feel like it can just be
organized a little bit better and you kind of whittle this down to see what we're left with might help and like what the balance is. Um I do think it is helpful to like use the word recreational programs activities which was I think a part of the original idea
of like there's parks and then there's programs, right? And they really I think they call to mind different things for different groups of people and how they think about their usage in cranberry. So, I don't want to like lose that stuff entirely. And we've gotten it down to
one question, which maybe is plenty, but we might want to give people some prompts to just say like including the summer camp is there like right like that in my mind would qualify as program versus a park facility. >> I also want to see those separate just
because if they're combined, we'll have to sort them out ourselves. It'll be easier if they're just already sorted for us. In um in number four, would we want to include volleyball? >> Just curious. >> Yeah. >> And um what
um also I don't see pickle ball mentioned here anywhere. >> Well, because we don't have anything. >> Well, it should be Surite. I think I think um and I also want to get like I don't know
watercraft on Brainer Lake. >> I'm not sure how to phrase that. Kaying >> swimming in >> my son was swimming there when I was walking by one day. is so funny. >> I feel like that was once a thing they did after like eighth grade graduation
that's also in the lake. >> Well, a resident who was older than me said that she loved to see it because she remembered >> I was scared. The one other change I want to see to the survey um is I would like to ask instead of would you support
an extension of park hours I would like to ask would you object to it. Um >> I don't think >> that will we will literally even though that's essentially the same question we will get different responses from the same person. We would I mean there's no way to prove that kind of factual but
you would get different responses from the same person depending on whether you ask would you object to or would you support >> you know I wonder if people don't even know that the parks have hours so maybe it could be phrased in like an informative way and that um
>> because when I mentioned this before people didn't recognize that there were rules around that. So maybe just like the parks currently closed or whatever and then would we >> is it is it being dawn to dusk still or
so then we could just incorporate the ID into the question. >> So is that what it is? So we could just incorporate that right into the question. So it just be object to something. >> So what would you support an extension of the current park hours which our
building does? Yeah, something like that. >> I would also actually now that I think of it, if we could do a change no change is Yeah, extensions what we need because change could be make it less open. Um
I think this is good stuff everyone. My only question is how do we want to proceed? I do think again we want to get this out before like mid late November. Um which I think means we want to do it before our next meeting. This is not like an official act of the parks commission. We're gathering information.
So, I don't know that we need to like wait until next month to take a vote on it. Um, we're going to want to like touch base with the TC more broadly than that just to make sure like there's no red flags for them. That would be I I don't imagine that there would be, but
we we're going to want to do that. Um, I feel like we pretty much have what we all want. It's not necessarily it's not in in front of us because there's a few changes. But do we would we all feel comfortable like if we put this in the hands of one or two or
three people and and let them go with it? >> Yes. >> Based off based off the feedback that we have given them. I don't know who those two people are. Is it is it your >> this responsibility is transferable. So don't don't feel like you're stuck with that. >> I commend you guys for getting it done.
I also think you should get it done before January. >> Yeah. >> Wait. And are we adding cricket pitch to number eight? Yeah. Okay. >> I wrote a bunch of >> I'm I'm reluctant to do it because like we don't seem to have space, but it's good to have the data all the same. We
also didn't I notic that put sweating on everywhere that's honestly my kids. >> But like when you say it's not up to us, do you mean because we can't move that big mountain? >> Stuck there. >> So I think that'll be better for the
future. Well, new technology where we can just slide down the glass. >> Well, they're saying that we might not have snow. >> Yeah, >> but we could get a snow machine. >> Forget the bathroom. >> Okay. So, I just want to make sure that we have like logistically know what we
wanted. I know you can't necessarily speak for all five members of the TC and for >> if when our designated people are ready to shoot this off can do they sort of have are they good to go on that or like do we need to
check in with Ken or Denise or or the mayor or something? >> Yeah, check with Lisa. >> All right. I think it'll be fine. [Music] Um, one other thing I'd recommend to you guys this year,
but I would just institutionalize it every year. >> Yeah. >> Just make this something >> because it could also also join me and be at a booth there. The QR code, you can make the booth without the survey.
So, it's it should be an hour today. >> All right. Um, that's an hour for us. Don't worry, we're not concerned to pop in. Um, where's my agenda? I'm looking at too
much paper here. Okay. Um, so we're sitting on some of our our planning until we get some of this information back, but we do have the budget to consider. um our budget request. I hear what you're saying,
Matt, about ask soon and ask for more and ask sooner. >> Um but we do need to be somewhat uh discerning. I would like to ask everyone, what do
you want to push for or ask money for? Right now, I hearing that we should ask for the bathrooms and I am totally on board with that. Um, even if that doesn't happen, just to plant the seed and get it the ball rolling. Um,
and I would not I'm just gonna actually ask everybody else. What do you guys think? >> I think we need to get estimates. >> Well, we will, but what like what should we get estimates >> for with an eye toward? Um, >> I thought we were talking about flush
toilets at Village Park. Well, just the budget generally because they the town uh finance people are looking to have those numbers pretty soon. >> I mean, is there a way I know the Grover's Miller perfect is there a way to find a
neighboring town or who they did that with? Like I don't even know where to start on that sort of thing. But that's like exactly the perfect bathroom set tiny little building. They blocked it in. Yeah, that was that that was that's my that's one
of my parks in West Winder. So So we >> Yeah. So we d we dropped I have to look. I mean it was a number of years ago too, but it's a old concrete building with you know >> pre we were like okay it's that building
plus >> 10 20% for inflation. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. >> It would at least give us something >> right >> to go with. And I would assume there's probably similar sort of amount of water coming into that. We have water in this one. It's not
>> Yeah. As far as like water bills go, I have I mean I I don't even know where to start on that because I I don't even see that. So, I'm not worried about that. Um, but I can come up with something give you a ballpark figure for for what
what we did in West Windsor. >> Feels like at least give us a start and sounds like we need to do if we want to do it, >> right? >> So, for our purposes, uh, the numbers will be what they'll be, but when it comes when we're asking are can I can we
just do a show of hands? We don't necessarily need to take a vote on this, but is there do you guys are you good with asking for getting the ball rolling on bathrooms? >> Okay, looks good. Um, >> suggestion, >> please.
>> Um, instead of just making a line out of the budget, I would suggest that maybe one or two of you guys come with TC make pres. We talked about for which is obviously pretty big. Whatever the other
get rid of set, but you know if you can make put a little presentation together falling under the sky, >> we would probably need figures before we present. >> Yeah. >> Y I mean it Yeah, we're gonna have to
check on some of that timeline stuff with I mean I know the budgets like that's months and months away, but the planning has to begin before recommend that [Music] >> as far as the splash, I think we should
>> No, I don't I think I don't think the same way though about the gazebo. People aren't the survey is not going to be full of people screaming I need a gazebo or my kids are >> your last meeting I have that open chose the one that we thought
I don't think anybody wants to see it and there are prices in here. >> I want I would like to ask if if you guys are all good with asking for gazebo money this year. I there's we don't need any more information. We have what we want. Township committee might say no that's fine but I I think it we have to
make the ask on that too. It's not exactly it's not as extensive and as big of a project but >> it's not but I think there's going to be push back what's the plan
will >> yeah well we fortunately don't have that problem this time because when we asked for there to be that circle in the walking trail it was intended that it be a focal point for for some future isolation >> have to consider it's more than the cost
of the gazebo. It's going to be the cement >> and possibly bricks going up to it on either side and then at some point you'd like to get benches for >> and I I I it seems rather I I mean I don't know it could be a windfall year for all I know but it it seems unlikely
township would like launch both these projects at the same time. Um but we don't have to pick we can give them we can tell them what we want and let them pick. >> Yeah. So if I'm hearing what you're suggesting is we actually signpost the
various things that we're interested to kind of you know put out there pending results from the survey and that becomes a topic which is a slightly more holistic here's everything that we aspire to do. We're not saying we know exactly how much it is for each. And
then there is a uh a more active conversation about the back camp sort of you know the fee there or perhaps fees that we're collecting from other areas whether it's from you know the the rentals or you know more forced
enforcement of facility. It sounds like that is the presentation as opposed to them going in and saying right away we get into bathrooms and the the gazebo straight away because there could be other things in the in the sur
that's that's how I'm hearing it that it is a little bit more of a signing type >> yeah my only concern with that is by the time the survey gets out and comes back November's going to be over >> and we're not I think that if we as a commission have some things that we
decided on that we would like that we've been working on for a couple of years, we should ask for it now. They can always say no. Um I think the gazebo is is one that we decided we were going to go forth with and I think we should go forth with it no matter what the survey says.
>> Well, honestly, what what's the worst is let's say they say no to both and then the survey comes back and it's resounding and people like everybody wants a bathroom. Okay. Well, then next year, >> right, >> we're coming back with we already asked once and we asked the survey and it was
overwhelming. >> Um, I'm not sure we'll be, but I'm just saying it could be. Um, so I'm just not sure we're going to be able to get it totally done back and feel like we have enough of the sample, >> right? At least if we were doing this
like our third or fourth survey like, oh yeah, we come back in three weeks and we get everybody. I mean, but quite honestly, yeah, like if it comes down to the township committee wanting to know how many people like to use the bathroom when they don't have a bathroom around, >> I I think we're already we've already
lost. Um I I hope that those numbers don't matter too much and that mostly when that idea is put before people, they're like, "That's a good idea because those portaotties are gross." Um, and I hope most people don't say, "Well, I'm more interested in what the
rest of the town's population feels about those pro supportive bodies." Um, so hope I I don't think we're starting from as far behind as we might think on on the bathroom. >> Yeah. >> Um, but like it's it is it's it's a project. We need to pick a spot for it.
we and all the rest. Um, and we're not quite, you know, if we had to do that today, we couldn't, but that's that's okay. These things go in stages. >> I mean, there is a spot right there. >> Well, yeah, we could we could also move
them somewhere more like accessible potentially. >> Absolutely. >> Um, >> yeah. I mean, there's there's sewer water lines that That's gonna really dictate where you're going to be able to put it and the cost.
>> You can't put it too far into the park every 10. >> Yes. Yeah. >> All right. So, uh, village park bathroom, uh, village park walking trail circle gazebo. Is there another big ticket item we
wanted to roll the dice on this year? I think this is biting off quite a bit already. Um, but anyone else has something, [Music] >> right? >> Trees along the village, the new village
walking trail. [Music] I we need to coordinate with shade tree on that because I thought that they said they were going to do that >> but nothing has happened. So we need to coordinate. So whose budget that's in
>> last year they said >> they're too busy they're arburies they're doing other things. So I think that pass could be through that but you have to >> I can talk to Kathy Houston tomorrow and and send a followup email to all of you too. that um you all know about how that
goes. All right, I think that wraps it for that section. If everyone's ready to move on to the memorial bench agenda item, anybody uh want to keep at this? Okay. No. All right. Well, that the good news is that
there are no new applications for memorial benches. I do we don't have any in progress either. I think that some people had inquired but decided not to pursue it. Okay. Um, rules and regulations for municipal parks. I told you I would have
something to look at. I don't. So, there's no report there. That's on me. Park and field use applications and fees. We already talked about this a bit. I think I mean we we I don't we I think we know where we stand. What we
need to do is get a number and I'm not sure how to do that other than like arbitrarily like picking a number basically out of thin air. We talked about what to do for the uh pavilion, but for like the field use permits and rentals, I I'm less sure about that.
>> So, Brendan, real quick, so there's a fee resolution that was last updated in 2015. That includes like the day camp, um number of programs that we used to
run. um but it also has the pavilion rental in that um fee resolution. Now the field use is a totally separate thing and it's actually part of the township uh ordinance. >> That's important. >> So those are two separate items. So a
resolution real easy can be done very quickly by by township committee ordinance as you know big big difference and takes some time. >> Okay. So, I will I guess I will fold that into my my comment back with the rules and regulations. Um,
>> but could we not just suggest that the township committee now made a new resolution for the amount of the million rental? >> Well, right now, like I said, we're not going to be doing probably any more rentals until
next year, really. I mean, we we're pretty much done. So, we should look at the entire resolution, including the the camp fees and and everything else that's in there to make that a suggestion for the whole thing at the same time. Um,
the only one that doesn't have a range on it is the pavilion rental. So, those that would have to be a whole new ordinance. Um, some of the some of the camp fees are in r they're in ranges, but I think we're at the top of those
ranges. So, we have to take a look at those. >> Can that be an ordinance? >> What's that? >> Can that be an ordinance? >> No, that's a that's a resolution. >> Okay. >> That's the fee resolution. >> It's the um the the permitting requirements for the various athletic
fields are need to be in ordinance. um like the soccer fields, the baseball fields, etc. >> Well, I'm actually >> confused. Why can't we just say we'd like to double the fees on the rental now? Do you see if they Okay, that
>> Oh, we we can, but they're they're going to want to look at it comprehensively. So, >> it's not that big deal. >> We that's something to be done in one meeting and it takes effect. So, we
should really look at the whole thing and and really get an idea what we want to change. We can take some things out. >> So, is that something you'll have copies for at the next meeting together? I just there's so many things we talk about and then
>> Well, I agree. Sally, I do want to formalize this. Um, can we like can we this is not exactly like a motion and a vote, but can we get like a on the record thing? Is everyone all right with raising the fee structure for those
things for the pavilion up to $100 for residents and $200 for out oftowners? This is not >> the be all end all. This is what we're advising right now. The township committee will take their time with it and they'll probably wait for us to advise on the rest of it before moving forward. But while we have something
that we've basically decided, I think we should like make it official if we can. What do we think? Can I make a motion that that we raise the cost of the pavilion rental from $50 to $100 for residents and from 100 to
200 for non-residents? >> As a recommendation to the TC. >> As a recommendation. >> Is there a second for us to have a roll call vote on that? >> All right. Let us do a roll call vote, everybody, please. Thank you.
>> Okay, Christina. Yes, >> Brendan. >> Yes, >> Katie. >> Yes, >> Kelly. >> Yes, >> Omar. >> Yes, >> Sally. >> Yes, >> Deepo. >> Yes, >> Fallon. >> Yes. >> And Michael? >> Yes.
>> All right. So, that recommendation is confirmed. Um, Matt, can you take do you want to take that to the TC or I can email the visa and see the rest of you as well? >> Yeah. So, we we're just doing a billion. that well that's our recommend that we're just like officially recommending
that for now but there will be further recommendations. I here here's another thing though. As soon as this resolution is passed, it becomes it comes into effect. So somebody who was thinking about maybe renting a pavilion say who knows maybe
somebody wants to do it in November and they pass it and then the next day they come in now they're paying $100. >> That is why I think you should really do this in an early year meeting. I mean, in the beginning, usually the first meeting of the year, they're going
through all the >> Yeah. >> holidays and all the appointments and all that kind of stuff. This is something that you could easily put on that reorganization meeting and and have that pass. >> Can we have it as effective this January 1st, 2026?
>> They if they pass it becomes effective immediately for a resolution. So, that's something we should bring to them. I >> Yeah. January, >> you know, hopefully a couple of you will come to our January reord.
>> But and to answer Matt's question, is is that all we want as a pavilion? Are there other places in town? >> There's more we want for those. >> There is more on that resolution as far as fees, but is there anywhere else in town that they rent besides Barn Park, which is not us? That's through the
history. there anywhere else in town that they that they rent besides fields and >> practically speaking I I I don't think so like this the ordinance like alludes to the fact that only the town can
reserve the entire park you could reserve you can reserve the gazebo that's there although I don't think you need a permit for it um and you can reserve the um I think you can reserve the picnic grove or parts of the picnic grove but I don't think there's like an
actual rental fee other than the permitted athletic fields and the use of the pavilion. >> Well, Donna is sticking your head that yes, there's a charge for the picnic and the other one too. So before we decide on just the pavilion, how much is the picnic road now?
>> It's the same. >> It's all the same. to the TC by January 2026 and beyond. >> There is also a park and field use application and fees item on the old business
items right like that. Wouldn't that include all of the items that we just spoken? So you're looking at the fees, right? So we we definitely still have more work to do, but I don't think any of us have
enough information at our fingertips right now to to make the recommendations as concretely as we want to make them. So I think let's move on for now. Well, for not for now, for this meeting um and circle back to this and do it again next
month. I think we've I think we mapped out what we can do here today on that. The Cricut pitch is pretty much we discussed it last time. There's not available space. I did say that I would like put some writing to that effect and like diagrams
just so we can show our work to the public. I I did not do that. Um so I don't have anything for that. Does anyone else have anything on the cricket pitch? I I think we said we invite folks who had asked for it as well and at least
make their case in terms of what they were thinking. That might be something. All right. Um, village park entrance signage. Um, anyone have anything for that? We
talked about it a bit last time. I didn't talk to any of like the township professional people we need to talk to in order to actually like change the street the streetscape. So I don't have anything to report on that other than my own like
observations. >> I mean I was there a couple weeks ago and frankly there's just like one bush in front of that feels like that's on town property. It's not on the residential property. Like if that bush was, it covers like half of the
sign when you're pulling up and it's not right on the sign. It's a good 5t in front of it, but it's just so grown. And if you trim that bush while you were looking from the street to see that you want to uncover that sign, I think that would probably solve
a chunk of it. Does it help you when you're just driving by quickly? No. But it would be a much more obvious big white sign. Maybe it needs a little fresh color paint on it. Other than that, it's a lot of it is just the
shrubs is grown out or the edges is grown out too far for the sign. >> I think the sign is green, right? >> There's the big white sign. >> Yeah.
smaller sign. >> I think what people were saying was when you're coming head on to the park, you can't see the green sign because it's for going this way. And the only sign you're able to see when you're coming straight into the park, which is why people were going left instead of the
park. It's supposed to be that giant white sign, but it's back from the street to 20 ft. And it's half covered by a hedge. Now, the the green sign, if I'm remembering correctly, is like a
standard sign on a pole in the ground, like the stop sign, >> but it's not stop sign, but it's like a sheet of paper. >> Yeah. >> And it's you can only see it if you're going up and down the road, not into the park.
>> All right. >> It's on a weird angle, too. Yeah, >> you could add you could theoretically just add one more small green paper sign >> facing main street basically. >> I would recommend you touch base with
Andrew our traffic engineer. This is brought up for the last week. This has been very hot. So um >> and I agree there's not much land there. We can't put a a gateway sign there
which is not and that sign needs to be replaced bigger. So um instead of all just conjecturing with a day >> all right I will do that. Um this yeah this really is like something I'm sure
the township is happy to have us in on but we cannot really do anything. All right. I will >> recommend the public works just cut the hedges back further though. >> I don't know how much we need that.
>> Yeah. >> I think there's a fence there and then there's a hedge. So it feels the private property. But again, >> yeah, DPW should make a regular habit of um you know trimming municipally owned
Do we need traffic engineers to turn that back to the list for TPW? Thank you. >> Um, all right. I think let's suppose that went out uh for tonight. I'll report back. Uh, Flagpole Village Park. We have good news here. Um,
Christina, do you want to report on this? >> Sure. So, flag is up. Thanks to the Lions Club for donating the flag and the lights. I reached out to them just to kind of get past any questions about a budget or price or whatever. So, they
were very generous, very happy to donate the flag and the light and then I reached out or Ken reached out to DPW. They could not accommodate the time to put the flag in the light up. So, I reached out to Joby and the firehouse
and they were very happy to do it. So, we got it all done. So, Ken helps me in the background and Lions Club donated everything. It's a good story. >> Absolutely. Thank you to all involved, especially you, Christina, for coordinating. >> And only positive thoughts on Facebook
for that comments on Facebook. By the way, >> a very high bar for things on Facebook that people have nothing bad to say about >> everyone. No, my question. Um, this light is solar. >> It's solar. Do we have a longevity like
we know [Laughter] >> it wasn't >> bad is it um light activated so it only goes on so when when it gets dark like
>> or or potential are cloudy. So, it's longevity may depend on how many overcast days we have. >> A few >> Yeah. I don't I don't know if it gets that granular, but >> can if you know and you can do
>> I can Well, I I bought this stuff so I can tell you. >> All right. So that will come off of our agenda for old business. I am indeed very thankful to everyone for uh everyone involved for getting all that
wrapped up satisfactory. And just to recap, that is uh Christina for coordinating um as well as Ken from Recreation uh the Cranberry Volunteer Fire Company and the Lions Club.
>> Correct. I don't want to miss anybody. Yeah. >> And the citizen who brought it up >> the movies. >> All right. That closes out our old business for our meeting. Uh new business for 20 or new business for our meeting. We have uh proposed meeting
dates here for 2026. They're uh printed here in front of you. The dates listed are for the third Wednesday of the month at 7 p.m. here in town hall as always. Um for all 12 months of the year, this needs to be uh publicly noticed in
advance of uh January. I would say that we ought to scrap the August meeting. It is not something that is typically fanned out that we've been able to do it. It's not something we've typically suffered for not having been able to do and it is something we can add as needed
if uh if we if we want it. >> Thought they told us it was easier to scrap it than to add it. >> No, it doesn't matter. Okay. >> It is at this early in the game. It's it's the same thing at like much later. If you want to cancel a meeting 24 hours
in advance, that's you can always do that. But you can't add a meeting 24 hours in advance. That's why I thought it stays in the park that we need to discuss in August. >> Yeah.
Um what's one thing we will have like at our July meeting that's plenty of time to be notice if if we either want to add or drop it. >> Um >> all right. And I don't
Wednesday. I don't know if any of these fall on we're not going to know what back to school night is next year. We're not going to know various other things. I wonder if there's any uh holidays I'm unaware of. Although even some holidays are we don't even know when they'll be
yet because some of those have depend on what the moon is doing. They literally like we couldn't tell you when certain holidays will be five years from now because it depends on the moon. Um I but none of these are looking like any sort of red flag to me. You know,
it's not the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, is it? No, that's >> Wednesday. I don't think that >> that's good. I don't like that either. That's Thank you, S. That is a good catch. Um although I imagine our membership is
going to mostly be the same and I know that that does wouldn't impact me. Would that impact anybody? >> No. >> We also want to think about the members of the public who who might wish to attend but there are few and far between
if those um would that Thursday be any better for everybody? >> Oh Wednesday. >> No. Okay. Let's keep Wednesday >> consistent. >> Um, >> there are no other holidays on any of the others.
>> All right. All right. So, we will uh ask the township to notice that with all the other things they noticed at the beginning of the year. Uh, next item is we have some members. Uh, >> we need to make a motion to approve this.
>> No, no, I don't. No, we don't. Um, it's going to be something that the town notices. So, they don't they're really just asking us for our opinion almost. Now, we have a few members who are running up against expiring terms at the
end of this calendar year. There is another form in front of not a form, a handout in front of you with the list of all of us and our expiring terms. I'm looking at all the papers and I Okay, I was literally looking at this just a second. Okay,
>> that's No, that's still the wrong one. >> I got it. I found it, everybody. >> I'm the only one that has it. You guys don't have it. Sorry. Okay, so uh Mike, you are alternate number two. Your term expires at the end of the year. Uh Omar, you are a member. Your term expires at
the end of the year. Katie, your term expires as well. And you are alternate number one. year term as far as the end of the year. There are threeear terms except for the alternates which are one-year terms. Um so I would this is not really an item for public discussion
but I would ask that everybody um take a look and see if they're interested in uh seeking to be reappointed for next year. um all or if there are any of us whose terms aren't expiring, if we are
thinking of resigning because that might provide somebody an opportunity to move from uh alternate to full member. Um, but you should uh get in touch with who who should they email that? You should email Dian so that she can let uh the
township clerk and and the township committee members know that uh you're interested for uh the reappoints come the reorg meeting in January. I hope that all of you stay and I also hope that a bunch of new people come too so
we can it's it's Yeah. No, you guys are doing great. But um I do hope all of you stay, but I don't want to I don't want to put off other people who might be interested. It's a tight rope we walk. Um also, this is not something for
anybody to deal with now, but um the chair and vice chair positions will also see us elect new chair and vice chair in January in our January meeting. Um I would be happy to continue in that role, but I also would be happy to step
aside for somebody who really wanted to do it because somebody wants set aside when I really wanted to do it. Um, >> this is so inspirational. >> I know it's the flag, you guys. It's the flag.
Okay, so we also had one more item, I believe. >> Action items. Action items. Look at my notes here. Sally, you're going to the EC meeting next Monday, >> correct?
>> We have our um our delegated people um Mike and Fallon working on the uh survey. Did somebody I'm sorry, I'm trying to put this all together mind.
We had we had numbers for the gazebo. We're going to >> We need bathroom numbers. >> Not not one and two like all >> one and two. >> Those are those are what some people
might refer to as bathroom numbers. was numbers. >> I am going to actually this time uh put before everybody um a marked up version of our rules and regulations from our ordinance for us to peruse and and
recommend. I was also going to um put like some words on paper that we can like officially approve next time and and like show to the public if about our thinking on the cricket pitch. And
that gentleman who emailed um gosh I think he emailed visa and she referred him to me never did reach out to me and I never did reach out to him but I will reach out to him and see if they are interested in presenting her her some
next time and then I'm going to talk to our traffic engineer whose name I wrote down but Andrew >> Dante And I don't have anything else. >> Yes. Thank you, Sally. This is why we record our meetings so I
can listen back and remember all the things I forgot during action items. >> I think we said we look at application fees as well. >> I don't think we
>> sent you'll understand that. >> I think we can take more adventures off of local business unless >> so I'm actually going to move that to reports for next month because I I I don't want to put it on and off because
after we send out our agenda, we might get a report and I want to be able to we might get an application and I want to be able to bring that straight away to everybody. But like it's not old business that's unfinished. I'm so I'm going to move it to like reports. Um I think the presentation
we need to talk about that for the um the facility passes for the budget. >> Yeah. Subittee for that. I mean, I can volunteer. But yeah,
>> for this is again for the um the ask for the bathrooms and the um >> now some of us worked a lot spent a lot of time on the boat development. Do does anyone else from that group want to be
um involved in presenting? I actually only have the one quote and the picture of it. >> But you have your passion. >> Yeah. >> With the dimensions dimensions and one stuff like that. >> Okay. What what does it So am I getting
two other quotes? Am I getting I mean we'll need a quote from the cement pad. Um, I guess it's important that we have all that before we present >> Thank you, Christina. >> All right. I think that's all the
sorted. So, I am going to move to our public comment section. For any members of the public wishing to comment, they may do so for three minutes. open public comment over here. I'm going to close public
comment. And with that, >> I'd like to make a motion to >> Is there a second? All right. Thank you, everybody. We're journed.