Hello everyone. Uh it is um May 21st, 2025. I'm going to call to order this meeting of Cranberry Township Parks and Recreation Commission. Let's uh stand for the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic
for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. If we could have our statement of adequate notice read. Pursuant to the open public meetings act, notice of this meeting was sent to
the Cranberry Press, the Trenton Times, and Home News Tribune on January 3rd, 2025, posted on the bulletin board, posted on the township's website, and sent to those who requested a copy of this notice. All right, let's move on to a roll call
for attendance and um report of volunteer hours in the since our last meeting. Okay. Or since your last meeting if you weren't here last month. Uh let's see. Christine is excused. Brendan Hansen, I am here. I'm going to say three hours. Okay. Uh Katie Harmon
is excused. Absent. Kelly's not here yet. Uh Omar here. Two hours. Two hours. Uh Sally present two hours. Okay, Deepo is excused. Fallon here two hours also. Okay. And
Michael uh present and I missed last meeting so it's by three between both. Okay. All right. We have uh our minutes from last month to attend to. Um just a reminder for our newer
members that it is uh in the past it has been extremely uh customary for somebody who was not present at the prior meeting to abstain because they couldn't pass judgment on whether or not the minutes were an accurate report. Um now of course we have recordings and if you
have access those recordings and you feel you can pass judgment, you should feel welcome to vote or welcome not to vote or abstain or do whatever you want. Um but uh there's there's no obligation to abstain just because you missed a meeting and there's
um no obligation not to abstain if you watch the recording afterward. All right. Um but if there are no corrections or changes to the minutes, uh can we have a motion and a second to approve the minutes? I move we accept the minutes of April 16th, 2025. Thank you, Sally.
I'll second. Thank you. Okay, roll call. Uh, Brandon, uh, yes. Okay, Kelly is not here. Omar, yes. Okay, Sally, yes.
Fallon, yes. And Michael, I'll stay. All right, let us begin with our reports. A report from our recreation director, Ken Jacobs. Okay, thank you. Um summer camp registration is uh still
uh live and coming in. We are a little bit behind uh where we were at this time last year. Um however, this Friday actually the rates do go up. The early registration um ends on Friday. So f
starting next week we will be um charging a fee for a little extra for late registrations. Um we have I have some updates on um the pickle ball court. The the contract was awarded uh
to the vendor but they have not begun uh construction as of yet. Um I have put in an email to the township engineer to try to get a status update on that. Um certainly the weather the last few weeks
um hasn't been super uh for that kind of project. They do need like an extended um period of uh dry weather to to complete these. So that should be happening though in the very near
future. Um the pavilion roof we we have uh pricing um from vendors. So, I'm going to award that uh probably on Friday to the low lowest quote and that
should get started and completed fairly quickly because you know the roofing companies uh work very very quickly. So, uh hopefully within uh by the next time we our next meeting we will have that uh
job completed as well. Um, field hockey, we we haven't um finalized anything. We kind of gone back and forth with the um coach who's interested in uh running that program. Uh we haven't solidified
how payment and all that kind of stuff would work. Uh we're getting kind of late in the game. Hopefully, they're still um interested in in doing something. And and like I said, we also had a um request to do a soccer and basketball camp too from one of the
fizzed teachers over at the school and we never finalized anything there either. So um I will make sure I actually did follow up with them earlier to see um what we can work out with that. And uh like I said, summer camp we
the um busing is all set, the pool is all set. uh where we pretty much have all of our staffing in place except for our CITs that we need to do uh interviews on. Um and the majority of
our staff is coming back from from last year too. So that's good. Um so we're we're in good place with that. Uh the school we've we've uh gotten the uh the fees that we will have to pay from the school. So we'll we'll process that
payment. So, um it's just finalizing the little little things for the trips and um you know getting everything uh getting people to register if they haven't registered yet. Uh there is a couple weeks that are very close to
being being full. So, do not wait because last year uh we had several weeks with the waiting list. Um and that oh the um the water fountain is still
um in the process of being uh getting pricing. I did get a price from a local um uh plumber, but uh there were some items left off of their quote that I
have to address with them. Uh, and uh, I actually spoke with public works today regarding that and they're kind of back on the table to possibly do this
project. Um, so I'm hoping we could uh get this thing moving as as soon as we soon as we can. It's been a it's been a real chore. It really has. I I I I'm confident that
public works can do most of the work after talking with them today. It's just a matter of a plumber coming in and and doing the copper uh the copper work uh on the soldering that they're not comfortable with. So,
um stay tuned on that. I have a quick question. Would the cement pad be um poured before all the plumbing is done or is that after the plumbing is done? Well, yeah, you have to you have to bring the water line to that spot and then you pour the concrete over that.
Yeah. So, um I know I know TPW said they can definitely do this in the pad, right? So, there I'm working on it and I think I think I made good strides today with them. So, uh, so that's a good
thing. And the and the chest tables, uh, we I met with the contractor today, so they will be going in within the next probably couple weeks. That's all I have. All right. Thank you. Um, c can you just give us a brief
update, brief um, for the record on the issue of the um, what is it? the um what qualifications are required for staff at the summer rec camp? Yes. So for for
paid staff, we have um always for counselors for paid counselors, we have always had 17 year olds and they have to be 17 before the start of the summer. Um you know, unfortunately there are kids
who um don't turn 17 until nearly the end or after the summer. But, you know, I always I liken it to, you know, to vote, you have to be 18 at the at the time that you you're looking to vote.
It's, you know, drinking age is 21, you have to be 21. So, you know, there there's always people who are going to fall through the cracks and it's unfortunate. You know, my kids are the same way. I have a my son's in late July, my daughter's in September. It
happens, you know. Um, but that's 17. I've never felt that a 16-year-old should be left alone with a group of kids. And I've always felt 17y olds, especially ones who have worked their way through our program through the CIT
program, are much more capable of and um ready to do that. So that is the rationale behind that. All right. Thank you. And um I think you also had Uh just a brief update for us um regarding the the kite in the tree. Oh
yes, I'm sorry. There. Yes, there is a kite in the tree still over at Heritage and I spoke to public works about it uh a few weeks ago. Actually, right after our meeting, I I talked to them. They know it's there. They're going to try to see
if they can get it down um with they're going to have to bring in some equipment. Right now they're they're on the brush and and you know the crew is not that big. So they have the whole crew doing the brush right now. So they
will get to it. It's on their list. All right. Sally, I have a question about the 17-year-old. Are there no exceptions if someone turns 17 within the first couple of weeks of camp or the first? We have never done that. Yeah. And I I feel like it's analogous
to I guess back in the swim club days you had if you wanted to be 14 and under, you needed to be under 14 by at the start or what have you. Yeah. Like our our lifeguards have to be 15. You have to be 15 to be a lifeguard. You
can't you can't be 14 and and change. All right. Um, anyone have any other follow-ups or clarifications for Ken on his reports? If not, uh, uh, does anyone have anything to report on our parks, on
our preserves? I, speaking for myself, I don't have anything to report on this one, Sally. Um, for eyes and ears. Um, I'm wondering when the fountain's going to be turned on in Heritage. We're well past the, uh,
freeze date. Um, I'm also There was a playground piece. Um, the musical uh installation at Heritage Park has four kind of wand things and one of them they've broken off many times before.
Uh, this one was there. I retrieved it and I gave it to Donna at Monday's meeting and hopefully DPW is going to replace that. Um, but just wanted to update that. also at the entrance to Heritage Park. Uh in the past, the township has
planted annuals the last two years and they were not planted this year. So, I'm wondering um why. And if they're not going to plant annuals, can we plant perennials? I mean, I had put in some hasta and things like that and the town
made me take it all out because I didn't have permission. So, um, since I had to take all that out, I'd like to see more annuals at the entrance to Heritage Park. Also, for the since I have not met with Kathy Eastston about the Lions Memorial in Millstone
Park, I'd like to see if the township can plant some annuals around that memorial too, that small horseshoe area. So, I'm not sure, Ken, if you can get to um DPW on those things. I I couldn't even keep up with you. You're going so
fast. I'm sorry. Did you get all that, Donna? It was three things. The turning on of the fountain in Heritage, the musical playground piece in Heritage, and the annual planting in Heritage, and if we could get it also added to Milstone.
Okay. Um, my husband and son have been walking the other um preserves, mainly the Yunami and the Cranberry Book Preserve, and found them all in good condition. Excellent. All right. We will look for
answers for th some of those items at next month's meeting. If uh not sooner by email report or just visual observation, we'll know what happened. Um uh anyone else on uh any
updates? All right. Uh environmental commission uh report from Sally who attended. That's me. Um I forgot that I went there. They had two meetings in between our time. So, if you could add two more hours to my to my service because I forgot that that counts as
service. Um, yes, I have things from several of the meetings. One, uh, the sidewalk or pathway on Old Trenton Road. Um, that is at the it's on the outskirts
of that one preserve there. The EC was wanted to buy gravel to put in the spots near that especially near the trail entrance and um that was two meetings ago with EC and this meeting they said they are going to budget it for
2026. So they will hopefully EC will work on that gravel path. Um uh let's see the second thing there has been a change in the recycling qualifications for all of Cranberry. We can now recycle
all plastics, jugs, bottles, and tubs up to one gallon. They don't want anything bigger than one gallon. And anything with the numbers one, two, and five on it. Um, before we could not recycle five. Absolutely no plastic bag. Some
people have put their recycling in plastic bag and recycling and it to all the plastic bags totally mess up the machine. So, please no plastic bags. And I did notice in the mayor's letter that came out that they did mention this, but I just wanted to report this is one thing that EC
said. Um EC has the third thing EC has asked us if we could put signs in all of our parks for the certified wildlife habitat. I had said that we were um parks is concerned about the number of signs in
the parks and um since they had two meetings in a row, I didn't get back to them about what we said, but uh it was mentioned at the meeting that this is not a sign that says no, you can't do anything. This is an informative sign and they would like it, you know, possibly not where all the signs go and
the you can't do anything sign, the rules, but maybe on the signs at the entrance to the park like um you know, there's the big white sign similar to the ones the town just put in and it says Heritage Park and when it was established and if we could just put the certified wildlife habitat sign right on
there. So, and that's something that we need I need to have you guys approve. And if we approve that, then at the next EC meeting, I can tell them that we will that we are willing to put the signs in. It's just the parks. The preserves already have the signs. This helps with
their sustainable Jersey um certification and that's very important to EC. So, my recommendation would be to say yes, they're not that really big signs. I think it's like $25 a sign. I don't know if that would come out of our budget or their budget or but
it's it's nominal, minimal, whatever it is. And then we're talking about Milstone, Heritage, and Village. So, three signs. Um, and one more thing before we talk about the signs on June 7th, my idea, we are
having a trail maintenance day. It is um actually world or state no United Stateswide trail day. So um it is a combination
between parks and preserves and EC and at people will be meeting at 9:00 at Reinhardt Preserve and then at 11:30 at the Cranberry Brook Preserve near the Girl Scouts Monarch Station. the Girl Scouts will talk about their station and
then have snacks for the people. There is a bulletin about it. Um I don't recall whether it was in the mayor's update. I think it was it was in the mayor's letter for people to register. People are encouraged to come and wear the appropriate foot gear, clothing,
um bug spray, and bring any hand tools, especially clippers. So, and the f So, this is the first trail maintenance day. It's going to be in Reinhardt Preserve, which um if you haven't walked that recently, it needs a lot of the things clipped off. So, we're hoping just everybody just walks the trails and clip
as you go. And then um a couple hours later, we'll be meeting and be rewarded with some snacks and and water, I think. So, I would encourage all parks members to go um bring their families, uh talk it up. the more people we have out with
the set of clippers in there. And if this is successful next year, we'll do it again in a different a different um area. Um so back to the habitat signs. Hey S, you said Girl Scouts. Are the Boy Scout or just their scouts? Are the
scouts also involved in that? I believe this is mostly Delpha George's thing. So I'm pretty sure it's just the Girl Scouts. If the Boy Scouts wanted to talk to Delpha, the Boy Scouts could actually come and help with the clipping part. Yeah. Well, it's technically scouts because there are girls now and boys in
there, but um I'm sure they do trail things all the time. I'm sure. And they're always looking for service, right, hours and projects. So, this is a um this is an organized one and I would highly encourage them to come. And Reinhardt is is a pretty long trail. I I forget the mileage in there, but you
know, they could there's like three different ways to go into it and they can just go around and, you know, walk with an adult and and clip. I I'll mention it to Mike. Thank you. Thank you. That would be great. Yeah, there would absolutely be uh no risk of having
too many hands and not enough work at Reinhardt. So, we we actually considered doing it in two trails at the same day, but we thought we'll see how the first one goes. And Reinhardt is a big preserve that really does need a lot of maintenance. So if it's successful next
year, we could do possibly two on the trail maintenance day. But it is Saturday, June 7th at 9:00 in Reinhardt. So I will say regarding the certified wildlife habitat signs in those three parks, Heritage Village and
Milstone, I have to say I don't support it. I I I thought I've thought about this and I I I don't like strenuously oppose it, but I don't feel like that's a good enough reason to say yes. I wonder to myself, why are they certified as wildlife habitats there? It's a bunch
of grass and a few trees. Um I mean, well, there's a whole list like anybody can get their yard certified. You can get a balcony certified if you live in an apartment complex and have a balcony on the 10th floor, yet you have some bushes that
attract butterflies and things like that. There are there are there's a whole list of qualifications and the parks would easily easily qualify and I think it's a supporting of the EC to to do this. Um, they absolutely
qualify. What is it like an emblem? Is it a real a standalone sign? What does it I don't have it in front of me. I I don't know. I could ask them to get a picture of it for me. I know you can look it up. Um
certified wildlife habitat. For us, and see what the sign looks like. And it is $25 for each park. It's a little colorful. I remember there's a little color in it. Yeah. Yeah. Size not that big. And I could just see, like I said, putting it on the post to one of
the entrance signs into the park. not not where all the not smoking those things are. I'm sorry. Is there is there a reason? I don't really have a opinion either way, but why like you said there was some benefit to it. Why are they trying to do
this? Because the um what did I call it before, Donna? The sustainable Jersey. It's um it's something that they they get credits for for sustainable Jersey and then they become we become a a gold, a silver or a
bronze with with uh your town becomes that. And does that mean I don't I don't mean like I don't know enough about this. Does that mean anything other than just to say that we're a gold, silver or bronze? Does that mean like extra funds for something or is it just sort of a
honorary title? I think for for the sustainable New Jersey, you have to there's like a point system to to be able to continue to be certified and this would help them get some points for Yeah. I just didn't know what the point of getting points is for, right? Is it
just to say that we are certified or is it just because and like it's just an honorary title basically? I I think it it shows that the town is working towards you know trying to be as sustainable as possible. It's a
distinction um and an achievement but it does not carry with it being a benefit the achievement in of itself. Yeah. Um, except for grant I think that there's it may Yeah, it may help with grant access to grants. Yeah, that was my question was does it allow you to
have better access to certain So, and there's so there's different levels, right? There's like gold, silver, platinum, that kind of if it allowed you to have access to more money, I can't see why you wouldn't bother why you wouldn't do it. It's just as long as they pay for the Exactly. I think why
would we want to have to pay for it? It's $25 a part. That would be $75. Do we not have $75 in our budget that we could do that if we needed to? We could, but if they're if they're asking us to do it, why would Yeah. Why would we Why would we have to pay for Could you do
this for us? Oh, by the way, pay for it, too. Yeah. Okay. So, um, at this point, I'd like to make a motion that we, um, and and obviously you can that we approve the, um, putting of the signs, the certified wildlife habitat signs in the three
parks with the condition that EC pays for it. Uh, I think that's uh, order. Uh, that motion is in order. Is there a second for that? Is there a second? Okay. All right.
Let's do a little roll call on that. Brandon, no. Uh, Kelly, yes. Omar, yes. Fallon, yes.
Yes, [Laughter] sorry, it sounded like Sally. Sally I second Fallon's yes and Michael yes yes have happened so
thank you so I will report at the EC the next meeting that we approved it with the um condition that they EC pays yes and again that's for uh heritage millstone and village correct all right um I think that wraps it for
EC report business is that correct anyone Anyone else have something that we uh All right. Um I did not speak to anyone from Shade Tree or Township Committee on our parks and recreation business since our last meeting and we do not have representatives from either
body here tonight. So I think unless anyone else has a piece of information on that, we're going to move past uh those two items. Um the only thing Yeah, we're gonna I I don't have any anything new for us on that. Um all
right, so let's move on to our old business. We and maybe we'll take these together. Uh since I'm wondering if it's still the subcommittee framing is still the best way to agenda this um have the ideas for splash pad and servo
procurement uh for Village Park. As far as I know, we don't have anything new on this. Um, and I don't want to spin our wheels again if we don't. Um, so if anyone has something they want to bring, please do. But if not, I I would
be perfectly happy to move on to the next agenda item. Um, only thing I I missed the last one. Did was did we have measurement? Did some I think Sally was did we have measurements for the area and was anything discussed about
what would go there. Um the measurement was 61 feet by 33 feet which was um plenty of space for a um what did we call it? pavilion and
more plenty of space for a pavilion and more. The pavilion and then on each since it's 61 feet long, the pavilion is, you know, we're only asking for like maybe maybe at the most a 20 foot pavilion. Probably not even that big. That's 1,800 feet. That's a big space. Yeah. So, so, so then on the Well,
you're good at math. So, then on the ends is where we were, we're thinking further down the line we could put in if somebody if we had a statue or something like that. But we I I know um on the circle procure pro procurement
subcommittee we were highly in favor of a pavilion there. Um and I guess it's just a matter of they're not expensive. They're really not expensive at all. All right. So, just to reiterate where we're where we stand on this one, there
is if not a full group support, there's a I'm going to I'm going to characterize it as an emerging consensus behind the idea of a pavilion. And um we are looking for sure to make progress on
this definitively at our next meeting. Um and that for for now, that's all there is to say on that one. Um, for Heritage Park, we already hit on the water fountain. Um, that's that that's
uh portal business. I don't think there is anything left for us to do on the sculpture. Um, I haven't heard or I haven't spoken to or heard from uh any figures from the foundation or from the
township on this one. So, I don't have anything for that. But was that approved by TC? It was. Yeah. Okay, good. Um, that doesn't mean, you know, that it's it's ready to be popped in the ground, but it it did get their approval. Um, so
let's move to our rules and regulations for uh the municipal parks. Does everyone have a copy of uh chapter 108? If you don't, I have some here. Um, recapping from last time, I raised
this as an item that I think is perhaps I think is definitively in use of some uh revision and I was looking to I floated a few ideas and I'm looking to hear more from the members if they got an opportunity to review it and what uh
changes they would like to cons they would like us to consider or what we would they would like us to recommend to the TC. What changes be made to uh chapter 108 of the township of cranberry code? Anyone? Sally. So, I went through
this um in depth and I have quite a few things. If you have copies, you can follow along with me. Most of them are just adding pickle ball to the tennis courts and adding parks to where it says recreation department.
Well, it's still the recreation department that Ken runs, but we as a body that hire Ken and do the other things are the parks and recreation commission. Well, in some places it mentions parks and wreck and some most places it just says recreation department. It we don't have a
recreation department anymore. We have a parks and recreation department. Well, actually, we do still have the recreation department. the the the rec the board of rec commissioners and the parks commission were dissolved and a new parks and recreation commission
created in its place but the recreation department itself was unaffected and I I'm not sure but I believe that may be a creature of state law as opposed to municipal law um so it is still the cranberry recreation department and Ken
is still the the recreation director okay so you're fine with wherever it says through the recreation department we just leave it as that not at parks. Yeah. Okay. So, I mean ideally, you know, it would be more descriptive, but um we're yeah, we're working within the
uh structure of I think of of the state law here. So, on the first page then all I have is on the very top of the page where it says 1083 tennis courts. I think that we should add either pickle ball courts or ball courts or somehow get it changed so
that pickle ball is included. We did get um in the past few years the addition under uh paragraph A playing of tennis or pickle ball but it it is not addressed in the t in the title of this section. Right. Well, I think it should
be that's my opinion. The only other things I have on first page are adding parks to a lot of the things where it says recreation department. On the second page at the beginning where it
says C, no one individual group or organization other than the township may reserve any township park in its entirety. And that's so only the township can. Yeah. As if to say no one can use Heritage Park today. I've
reserved the whole thing. Okay. I know when the historical society had the opening of their house in Milstone Park, they apparently reserved the entire park. Um didn't stop a group from coming in and playing that day. But um if it's
only the township, then is the historical commission considered township or I mean that's I don't know. No, I I because I imagine if that was I imagine that was probably hosted by the Historic and Preservation Society, which is a a private nonprofit, not part of the town, right? And they had reserved
the entire park. So, I'm just I think we need clarification on that. On the same page going down to 2B, it just mentions tennis. I believe pickle ball should be included. Mhm. And I I also want to
add chest tables in there as a facility that could be reserved. Okay. Well, we don't have any. They're not going to be on park property. They're in the library property. Yeah, but this this section of the code doesn't
necessarily refer to either parks or non-p parks. I mean this let's see we're this is three and it's park facilities that may be reserved but the chapter is parks and
recreation rules and regulation and um the title of section 108-2 is reservation facilities generally reservation parks facilities and areas and athletic fields okay yeah I can I can see that Sally that sounds good to me under three
on that page it says at 3A athletic fields. No individual, organization, or group may use the township's athletic fields without first securing a permit. Can we get rid of the no individual part and just say no organization or group may
use the township's athletic fields without first securing a permit? I had I had the same thought and um Brendan and I did this like minutes before this meeting is sent like some line changes. That was one of them. But the one thing I feel like individual leaves to
question is like an individual running lessons, right? Like they're taking over the baseball field and they're giving pitching lessons one person at a time and it's for business purposes. So I wonder and same thing goes for tennis and so and it's sort of dominating,
right? The rest of the community feels they maybe can't use that space. So, I feel like if we pulled out individual, could we just add a sentence that says, and I have to pull it up on my phone, sorry. Um, formal lessons are not permitted
unless sponsored or approved by the Cranberry Rec Department or Cranberry School District, which is language that's otherwise in here. I think it's related to um I don't know. I have to find it, but it's borrowed is the point. Yes, I
agree. I agree with you because I was always told that I wasn't even allowed to bring my children onto the baseball field which is just insane. But we should also that that should remove group as well because that's just a bunch of individuals. Yeah. more than two individuals
is well this is where this is where the Oxford comma matters because if there was a comma after organization it would change the meaning of or group like organization or group as two words for the same thing or or group as in a group of
individuals. Is it organized groups as in like back to your point about lessons? Yeah. Or like again like a We've had this issue with different leagues and maybe they're casual leagues, but it's still it's an organized group of individuals and I
feel like that verbiage matters. It does. Um, so is a group of, you know, 10 14 year old boys that go email each other and say, "We're all meeting there. That's organized." They might not admit it, though. They might not say that they're organized. They might say, "We
don't we're not even friends. I barely know this person. If they have matching shirts, they're definitely what is the I guess it comes back to what is the purpose of what are we're trying to stop. So the the the purpose is to make any one or any multiples who
are using the fields pay secure first and pay for the permit. I guess I'm trying to say what is the common what's the better rule like we're trying to is there anything we're trying to stop that's not like might get back to myself and my sons or my neighbor and our two sons who go to play softball for the
weekend. We're not I don't think we're trying to stop that. I mean what we're trying to stop is something right the the people taking over the field for paid lessons. Um groups from out of town who decide they're going to take it over for their weekly baseball game that just because they feel like it's an open
field. But we're we are trying to actually my biggest thing with the parks thing one of the reasons to join is I feel like people don't use them to some extent and the facilities because they feel there too many rules that tell them not to use them. So, how do we word it
so that it's trying to stop the lessons, the group of people that are using it for something that should really be scheduled for, but not the town people just using them? I don't
think we are going to get an answer to how we do that tonight unless we stay here very late. But I am very encouraged that we've identified uh paragraph 3 sub paragraph a as a section for
um change. So if unless anybody has like something that boom they think would end this conversation as like a solution to the words we should use. I think we might want to uh workshop that uh ourselves and maybe correspond by email rather than spend our time on it right
now. I agree because I mean I could have this conversation all day, but I just I want to be respectful of everybody's time. Okay. Can I move on? Yes, please. Uh under 108-3 tennis courts again and we need to add ball
unless the courts are, you know. Anyway, that's what I think. Wait, sorry, but they are tennis courts lined for pickle ball, right? Or I mean, so yeah. So I think that that is consistent with like what there actually is happening the use of the tennis court
for any activity other than playing of tennis or pickle ball because that's what they're lined for, right? That seems but I Yeah, we could change it to tennis sl we could recommend we can't change anything. We could recommend it be changed to tennis pickle ball or something like that. So that's mentioned
in sub in A, in B, and in D under there it's also says tennis courts. I think the slash makes the most sense. Um and then on the next page, A again says no individual, organization
or group may use their athletics fields for any purposes without first obtaining a permit. So that's the same thing as before, but it's another area where it needs to be addressed. And B, I'm pretty sure we got rid of some of these fields. Didn't we get rid of the little league field? We
absolutely did. So, little league field should be crossed off. What about Wait, I wait. I thought it was it was um the C2 that we got. C1 is still there, right? Baseball field C2 is now the volleyball court. Okay, so baseball field. So,
somewhere volleyball court is not mentioned anywhere in this document. So, that should be it is not among the athletic fields that require a uh a permit, right? if we're doing it for not here, but somewhere in here. We're not in the
peritting section. 108-3.1 is just defining what an athletic field is. Okay. So then B5 baseball field should be volleyball court. Yeah, that's right, guys. I love this stuff. So that's what we should change to volleyball court.
Thank god I got here. But is is the volleyball court considered a field? Um, not currently. And it's not no permit is required currently. It's it's not required that you have a permit for the volleyball. So I don't think there but I think
somewhere in this document it should be mentioned that we have a volleyball court. I mean if you're mentioning chess tables which we don't have you should mention volleyball court which we do have. I don't know where to put it. Well it's B is for the purposes of this this whole code athletic field. Right. Yeah.
So, and and the rest of the code athletic field is what they refer to when they say you need a permit for it. So, I don't want to I mean perhaps incorporate it somewhere, but I don't want to incorporate it under the rubric athletic field if we want people to be able to play pickup volleyball. So, at
Village, we have a C1 and a softball field. At Milstone, we have smallsided game field, smallsided practice field, and a baseball field. And then behind the west property, we
have the large sided fields. But why would we not want someone who's renting the volleyball court for like lessons to get a permit? We do. It's just not under this part of what a field is. So that's why I said somewhere in this document, we need to
mention volleyball court for getting could it go? So we have like tennis courts, there's the basketball court, too. If it's the same concept, could we kind of lump the courts together? Yeah.
Yeah. Um Yeah. Because the the basketball court and the volleyball court are, I think correctly, not considered to be athletic fields, although they're obviously places you can play a game, but you don't need permits for them, but Yeah.
Um, I don't know. Was basketball ever mentioned in here? I don't recall seeing that either. No. For the tennis court, pickleball, it talked about you have to wear the appropriate shoes and you can't ride your bikes or skateboard or anything. Wouldn't you want that for basketball,
too? Not people riding their bikes and skateboarding on it. I mean, I I actually don't care if people skateboard on the basketball court. Yeah. to the court. Yeah. Yeah. And for people actually
looking to play basketball. Well, yeah, that would that would be should have first, you know, priority. Yeah. So, those are uh um something that you may want to make notations for and we'll figure out what to do with it is adding basketball and volleyball somewhere in
here. Okay. So, uh, just to to briefly interrupt our train of our moving through this document, um, what I'm going to do is is take a look at my notes here, listen to this recording again, and come up with, you know, like precise language that we can vote on at
the next meeting to approve or or to recommend for approval. I'm sorry, that we can vote on whether or not we want to make those recommendations to the township committee. Um, or we can adjust them as needed. uh just like for tonight itself we're not making any
recommendations other than deciding how we want to move forward internally ourselves. Okay. Um, moving on. D there is addition to the penalties. It talks about verbal warning, use of practice, game fields, and you can't use it. But then if you
look at the 108-8 under a on the second to the last page, it says any person, organization or group who violates or neglects to comply with any provision of this chapter
um la should be punished by a fine of at least $50. So in one part it says you get a warning and kicked out and another part it says a fine of $50. Yeah, the these D
is penalties for um sealed misuse and they apply in addition to uh that $50 a fine. Well, it's not mentioned there. It is doesn't say you get a fine and you get these things. It says um it says in
addition to the penalty set forth in section 108 Okay, seven, right? Yeah, but Sally's referring to 108-8. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is why the judges say you need to read the law as a whole and not just the one paragraph in question.
Yeah, I did my homework. So, that's something that to me needed clarification. All right. Um, on the next page, uh, I don't know where it is, but number six, no person shall drop, throw, or
otherwise scatter lighted matches, burning cigarettes or cigars, tobacco, paper, or other fam material within the park. I thought we had a no smoking and no vaping instead of you can't drop your butts. I think it needs to be changed to no smoking or vaping should be allowed in any. We we do have that. That's its
own chapter of uh the township code. So, so it's not in chapter 108 on parks and recreation. It's somewhere else. Don't you think it should be included with the parks? Someone is looking up what they can and can't do with the park. I can smoke, but I just can't drop
my lighted match is what it looks to me like when I read it. I mean, yeah, no, I wouldn't object to that. Um, in subsection five right above, why do only groups of 10 have to take out their garbage? 10 or more.
The idea is basically that it's too much work for DPW to remove the trash of a group of 10 or more people on a regular basis. I think they're saying you have to take your whole bag with you, not just clean up your stuff. Yeah. Like you literally don't put your trash in our trash cans. Take it home with you in
your car. And I can say that is never a force. There was something in Heritage Park over the weekend and the garbage cans were full of the big plastic bags. Yeah. And the same thing in Village Park. When people have something in the pavilion, they just leave their big plastic bags next to it. Should that be
more of like a reservation oriented like permit oriented rule? So like if you've been granted a permit because you're a group of 10 or more, which is another point going back. I'm sorry I'm going between my phone and this document, but
um it reads to me in going back to two. So I'm sorry to subtract Sally from from where you are, but we basically are only saying we're giving permits if you're a group of 10 or more, which is fine, but we should be
consistent about that same thing. Like gazebo doesn't say that you can rent it by any individual, organization or group, but I'm assuming that means for use by 10 or more people or persons. Um, picnic grove up to three tables may be
reserved in the picnic grove for use by a group of 10 or more persons. You're not expecting I'm sorry, what page are you on? She's on page two. She's going back to a page two. And then my only other if 10 is the
threshold for lots of these things that's fine. To me it seemed odd to use that for tennis because you can reserve one court. You need 10 people to be using it which seems like a lot of people on just one court. And so I think if we're only committing to giving a
permit for one court, maybe we can lessen that number to like eight a doubles doubles doubles if they can swap. Otherwise, if 10 is a fine number for everything else that seems fine.
Okay. Now I don't know where we are. You were referring what's sorry you what was the section you're referring to above prior on the previous page it's page two oh I was here six maybe
yeah basically exactly okay yeah it's it's 108 3D yeah It's It's the whole thing I think is messier than it needs to be. Exactly. I think like being consistent and Sally, it's a good point. It says somewhere else that there's a
$50. I didn't look so much for those things. Yeah. Um Well, how about everyone that has a reservation has to remove their own trash? Isn't that in the permit? Isn't that in when you get the permit, Donna? on it. Doesn't it say that when you But
you don't you don't need a reservation for everything. Like if you want to go for a walk with 10 other people and one of you No, but if you're reserving a facility, you need to get a permit and that's where the trash is accumulated. And I thought that it was in the reservation form that said that. I don't
know. I've never reserved a facility for myself. I hope I haven't. Uh I I mean I obviously have used these facilities without I I think I I thought that was in the the permit that you signed. Um but my only point is
that the requirement for trash removal for 10 or more people extends beyond uh permitted uses. If you go for a walk with 10 people and one of you, you know, we don't need a permit walk. No, you don't need a permit, but you if one of you wanted to throw out your gum or
empty your pocket into the trash can, you would supposedly if you had 12 people at a cookout Yeah. in Heritage Park, you're supposed to take your own trash with you is what we're trying to say. Whether you don't need a permit necessarily for that, but like you could
get a permit, but if you just showed up and cooked your stuff with 12 people, you're by these rules, you're supposed to take all your trash with you. I don't think anybody's ever going to do the form says all trash must be placed in garbage cans. Okay. So So that's kind of ironic.
That's totally totally if you show with 10 people, you you have to take your own trash, but if you reserve it, you can just leave it in the garbage can. So that needs clarification. Yeah, Brandon. And again, I think um let's see if we can work that out um
in a more appropriate setting than back and forth right now on the exact words. But I I'm very happy on on settling on things that need to change or what direction they need to change in. Okay, back to um is it okay that I'm doing this if you can follow along? Um back to the to the next page. Uh
108-4 number 15. It again just says tennis courts and number 16. No person shall have in his possession or bring into any park or said otherwise caused to explode to burn any firecrackers to repeat rockets or other fire, you know, etc.,
etc. They're legal now, but not necessarily for use on this particular property. So, that's what that was my question. Do we still want to keep this even though they're legal? I would say since parks are closed after dark
anyway, we do. Okay. Um but I would also we ought to really insert after um the end of that whole thing a comma except as authorized by the township committee so that we don't contract out
people to law break when they do the fireworks on the 5th of July. Right. Well they I think they're in the lake though. They're still set off in a park. Are they in the lake? I like I think they're in the park in the park over the lake but you're right. They're on the park
where they launched them from. Okay. So, you're just going to add except township committee. Um number 23 on that page. Again, it says uh tennis and you might want to add pickle ball there. And it does or ice rink. Yeah, that's gone. Yeah. So, I think that it might be
easier to just leave it there in case a ice rink should ever reappear. Does Here's where it says uh no bicycles on basketball court. So, that's good. Okay. Let's see what else I had.
Um, number 24 on the next page. No person shall engage in skateboarding or inline skating except in those areas specifically designated for such activities. Well, now that we have paved paths in the parks, I think that skateboarding and inline skating should
be allowed on those paths. Um, so I just don't know. Do we don't have a specifically specifically designated area for skateboarding or inline skating? So, I don't know. I I think this needs rewarding because I agree.
Yep. I think the same thing. I I mean I like you're obviously not going to be doing any sort of crazy tricks. It's not a skate park, but like if I have a skateboard and I want to go to my friend's house using the path through
the park, I don't want to carry it with me while I walk. I want to skateboard. So, do we just want to I want to skateboard at my friend's house? Get rid of 24 all together? Um, since there aren't any designated areas? No, because I mean, we also don't want people to, you know, just be skateboarding
anywhere. Like skateboarding on the ground would be fine anywhere I think, but you know, we don't want somebody to grind their skateboard against like any of like the sort of wooden railings that line the drive way in Village Park. That
would damage them. And there's any other number of places where you just don't want that kind of should we just line except in except on paved paths or in those areas specifically designated for such
activities. The other thing about this code is that there's no mechanism by which anyone is expected to believe that an area has been designated. Yeah, I was going to say there's no such thing as a designated. Right. So I I just I have a question mark near that Yeah, this one was a big one. And I know you'll be
upset to hear, but that's all I have. Um although I did at the very beginning when it the park hours, um I still want I'm still in favor of keeping um what was it? Sunrise to sun, what was dawn to dusk. I'm in favor of keeping
dawn to dusk as opposed to sunrise to sunset. Is there a What's the difference? Sorry. So the difference for dawn and dusk I opened it which is usually understood as a reference to
civil dawn. There's actually three different kinds of dawn and dusk. Uh there's astronomical civil and I think it was like lunar maybe dawn and dusk but in in the law it usually refers to civil dusk which I think we decided was
the point at which the sun is like 15° off the horizon or something. I don't know. Um, it's but it's a it's a precise minute and second of time that you can every day look up in an almanac or on Google and know what time it happens.
Um, it's not I I originally thought it was like just the period when it starts to get dark to the period when it's actually dark, which is like illdefined, but it's a specific moment in time that can be pinpointed and that, you know, so is sunrise and sunset. Those are but
um dawn and dusk gives a little bit more wiggle room on either side because it's earlier than sunrise. It's a little bit earlier than sunrise and a little bit later than sunset because I mean the second after sunset it's still very bright outside and you could easily use the park for another 20. I think it's crazy because honestly we're they're
patrolling the parks anyway. So I still don't really understand why they're closed at that point. But yeah, I mean more wiggle room I think the better. I mean I I I don't I think they should just be open whenever as far as I'm concerned. But um I know there's not support for that among the community. So
is Dawn to Dusk good? Okay. Yeah. I think at minimum dawn on dusk. I still get back to like what if you get up at this go to the city all the time. If you're getting up at 5 a.m. to go run around Yeah. the park, am I breaking the law by running? Well, I spoke to the police about that actually and they said
they're not going to um I get that, but I guess if I'm looking at the rules and I'm trying to not be that person, I don't know that the policeman's not going to stop me. It gets back to the baseball field. Like I never took my kids to the baseball field because I was always told I was going to get yelled at by the
cops. So like I just keep getting my idea that feels like the park usage we're not helping more usage. We should be trying to figure out how to get people to use more parks, not
less. So I just don't I don't know. Is Dondal dust enough or it just feels like it should be discussed because there's got to be reasons people are coming through slightly before or after? We shouldn't always assume people are doing ill gotten gains just because it's not
quite bright yet. Yeah. I mean, there's any number of people who probably walk their dog through Heritage Park at 9:30 at night or or right 4:30 in the morning and I go out and watch those showers from there. Exactly. Exactly. So, look, so can we just I mean, we're not ready to make a decision yet. And again, our
decision is just a recommendation. It's it's not an action. But can we do like a show of hands? Who's willing who's flat out opposed to the parks being open 24 hours a day? Well, what's what's open? You're allowed to go there.
How do you know? Well, if we made that if we made that suggestion, we'll be opposed to that suggestion. I just don't think if I saw a sign that's like the park's open, I I expect that to mean services are available like a bathroom or um I don't know if we're
selling something in there. Like I since there's no gate, it's open. I mean, it's like accessible. You know what I'm saying? And and it's not patrolled for purposes of giving us summits to kick someone out. So and it doesn't matter if it's patrolled or not. There are people
in this town who respect the law enough that they don't care if they get caught. They don't care if the police care. They just won't do it because it's against the law. There are any number of people in this town who that matters to. Is there concern about using
facilities after dark and making a lot of noise for neighbors? I know that uh there are people that play basketball after dark because there's a light there. Um, so it is used after dark, but maybe there is a concern about noise for the neighbors. I'm sure there is is that
concern. Um, but my answer to that would be it's the same it's the same if they were making a lot of noise on at their house on their backyard or, you know, on their patio, right? We have a noise ordinance. It also doesn't have to be 24 hours. Like there could be a cut off at,
you know, 10 o'clock or 4 a.m. or something. It doesn't have to be or like an hour before sunrise or something like that. So, it changes with the seasons, right? Exactly. It just feels like it could be loosened up. I don't want to put too much time on this
because I have a very strong feeling that the TC members are going to feel strongly about this one way or the other. Um, I don't know that. I haven't talked to any of them about it, but it just feels like something that they're gonna they're going to feel strongly about. Sure. Or want to really be careful about if they if there's any
changes. Um, so there's there's agreement that it may be worth pursuing some sort of more accessible park, whether that's open until two hours after sunset or or whatever. I don't agree. I I I don't agree. I think, you know, two that's
ridiculous. Like you said, someone might want to go out at midnight and walk their dog and they can't do it after 10 or something. It's I just think dawn to dusk. And if anybody is totally violating that they're where and if they're bothering other people, they're having a party or playing loud music,
then the police can enforce it. Otherwise, it's not bothering anybody to walk your dog or to go jogging after dark. Well, I mean, I would but there I think there are people who it bothers who don't it bothers people who don't do it.
It bothers the people who would like to but choose not to because they know it's not permitted by the township. I'm not I don't They patrol it all the time. So yeah, I just don't I don't understand why there's any cut off because why are they patrolling it then? All right.
Well, I'm not sure what the next step is on this one, but I am sure that we're not going to figure it out by talking more about it. So perhaps we should move on um until next month unless there's objection to that. All right. Um, I did
have I think one other um I had um sorry I had one sorry one question about the parks and just the rules. I never noticed anything in here about anything with fishing, any rules of any sort,
which is fine. I'm I'm a less rules kind of person, but I just don't like because I saw something the other day posted on a one of our standard whiny social media boards about somebody fishing on an area. Is that an okay? Like I just don't know if there are designated or not
designated areas. I realize how unsatisfactory the answer I'm about to provide is, but this is chapter 108 of the township code, and there are other chapters that answer things like smoking and fishing and um
and any number of other things. Um, and I know that's really unsatisfying, but there's a whole chapter just for Brainer Blake. I mean, it's a very, very short chapter if it's on one page, but it there it has its own chapter. Well, I think we should at least include no
fishing in heritage or Milstone. Um, I mean, there's now where to do it, so seems like a good idea. You put in a fountain. That was a good one. True. In the fountain. Um, I did also have um I did also have uh
the prohibition on use of a motorized vehicle. That's uh section 108-4. Um it is uh 12. I'm sorry. It's 17. I mean, I know that they mean like cars,
motorcycles, but what about you know what are those like not skateboards, but those electric scooters? No, the other ones that are just they're like a skateboard, but you just No,
no, not a scooter. Um, hoverboard. Yeah, like that thing. Not a motorized wheelchair. I was thinking that as well. Um, there's probably a bunch of, I don't know, case law or something about this, but it it would be easier for the average citizen if they could just read
section 17 to know without having to get a law degree first. Um, [Music] so something like, yeah, I think that area might also benefit from a adjustment. thoughts.
It's pretty specific what you what you can't use. Mini bike, moped, snowmobile, or all-terrain vehicle that those can't be used anywhere, including on a road, right?
Why can't you use a moped on a road? I couldn't tell you, but um okay, I think I'm going to type some of this up, put it in writing, circulate it out. I I'm not sure exactly what form that's going to take. Um but I think we've got what we
need for tonight to move on and and make progress ahead of our next meeting. Um thank you everyone for your input on this. Um, I'm very happy to be getting to this because I've been wanting to do it for a long time.
Um, anyone else have anything for that agenda item before we move on to to the next thing? All right. Uh, community event. We have the trail maintenance day. That's not the community event we're talking about. Do we want to take this off the agenda? Because I don't have any ideas or ambitions to pursue this
further, but if others do, I have no objection either. All right. So, I'm going to take this off the agenda. Having said that, it can come back on the agenda at any time if we want it to. Ken, do you have any thoughts here? No, that I think we just we put it on
there because we wanted to try to do something um this year like we've done in the past. I mean, that doesn't stop us from still doing a movie night or something like that as well. So if if we if we want to do that, we can we can
still look into that. All right. And are we getting the band for the 5th of July? Oh, yeah. That's something we didn't talk about, did we? Because I don't know if that qualifies as a community event. Yeah. Um we have the quote for them.
They were what it was 700 800 795 I think it was. Yeah, they are available. Yeah, they are available. Um, so that's whether or not, you know, the board wants to approve that expenditure,
I guess. Well, we should talk about that today, right? Because next week is Yeah, I'm indifferent, honestly. I could go either way. And I I don't I haven't spoken to anyone who has uh no one spoken to me about
their feeling. like no one in the public outside this room has spoken to me about their feelings on on the ban for past years. So I have nothing to inform my decision about how people have have received it. So I welcome your information to inform my decision. I think the band is
very nice. I thought they I did not hear them last year, but I had a lot of feedback from the people that were there early enough to hear them and it's it's quite nice. It's prior to the fireworks. I think I think it adds a lot to the
event. I don't I didn't hear the band last year either, but I feel like there's something nice for the town to have that be part of it. I think it's a good idea. My only suggestion is um that it would be a little bit later. What time did they start? I mean, it was
pretty early, like very early. It was like 6:30 to 8:30 or something like that if I remember correctly. That was two hours. 6:30 to 8:30. Yeah, because a lot of people don't show up for the fireworks and they don't start until 9:30. Yeah, I didn't hear
the I mean, I was there for the whole thing. I never heard the band. I didn't even realize they were there last year because I probably came in at 8:30 and they probably just finished. Yeah. So, could it could we do it 7:30? I think it sounds It sounds good to me. Or 7:30 to 9:30.
Yeah. Like just as it's Yeah. Why wouldn't it go right up to the Yeah. one of the fireworks. Yeah, I I would like to see it. I think more people would enjoy it if it were later. They can stop at sunset so they could out be out by dusk. [Laughter]
Oh, well done. Which which dusk? Yeah. Doner dusk. Very often like the first the first um firework goes to the patriotic song from the band. So if Yeah. if if they're willing, you know, they could do the first one and then and maybe they can't I don't know. Maybe
they can't close up when it's dark. Maybe they have to get out. But it's something that it's not Don, is it something we can look into is changing the time because I think that would Well, I think it's I mean, we're gonna it's I think it's gonna at this point have to be up to Ken and his conversations with them to see what
they're willing to do. But I also think that there's a reason why the band was scheduled earlier because of something to do with the the fire department. They have to get it the band out of the way. There's fallout zones for the fireworks
and once they've set everything, I don't I don't believe anyone's allowed to be going in and out. Can they play at a different location? Can they play closer to the pavilion as opposed to the gazebo? Um, the gazebo was really far away anyway from especially elderly people
that would like to come and hear that. That's really far away. I I would I would like to consider a different location because there is land at I mean um there is electricity at the gazebo too. So
pavilion. Yes. Sorry I misspoke. I've never been to the event myself. So, I mean, I know where you're talking about. And I mean, were they are they up on the gazebo or are they in front of the gazebo? They're on the gazebo. They would be better. She's right. It would be better actually if they were at the
pavilion. They'd be by people versus Yeah. I mean, people are there not to like actually watch them perform. They're there to, you know, more listen. And so they don't need to be on the raised platform of go over to the gazebo or the little kids who are tearing around the field. Yeah, we we can we can
find out if we can relocate them. All right. Um, memorial benches. We have no new applications. Uh, moving on to new business. Now, we don't have anything agenda. Uh, we have some action items
for ourselves. I mentioned that I would work on the rules and sort of typing out the recommended changes, putting something together that you guys can take a peek at ahead of time. with the goal being that next month we can all look at the same document and vote yes
or no, we want to recommend this to the township committee or say yes or no, but first pull that out and add this in. Um so that's my agenda item. Um we had some well it's all the same stuff as last time for um our rec
director to report any updates for next month with the um addition of the question about annuals and the lion circle. Um I don't I feel like there were not a lot of other action items
tonight. Um, I mean all the regular stuff that that doesn't need to be listed separately. Um, you know, pay attention, do your emails, check take a peek at the minutes for next time, walk your parks. Um, I will get in touch with um our
liaison from TC. Sally, will you be able to attend the EC meeting next month? Yes. All right. And were we going to talk about the J July and August meeting dates? Yeah. Um, I do want to raise the
question of whether we should cancel one of our meetings in July or August. They're both right now we're scheduled to meet in July and August. I don't think it's 100% necessary and I think that if we can sort of if we're expecting people
not to be around even if we have a quorum, I think it might be worth canceling one. Is anyone have a meeting? I mean, I could make both. Does anyone else have any meetings that they can't or would like to be able to have canceled so that they could make other
plans? I can make the August meeting. I I can't make the August meeting. Okay. I can't make July. You You guys aren't helping. You got to all pick one month, please. I can make July. I'm less likely to make August. I actually can't make
June, though. So, yeah. Me, too. August is probably not good for me. All right. Um, well, we'll see about what we want to do. We have time. That's too I'm the only one who can't make July. You can, you guys can do July. You'll just have to do
without. [Music] All right. Um, sorry. I think that's a meeting a decision we can make next month with if we want to cancel one of our meetings. One quick thought going actually back to this splashpad because I think where we
landed at the last meeting was that it would be helpful before the end of the year to think about whether number one if we can get community feedback and I feel like summer is kind of a nice time to do that or just after the summer not in like December when nobody's thinking
about it and so I cannot be at the next meeting but if we can think about wherever we whether it's next meeting without me or July or August figuring out how we want to go about potentially surveying people or if
we're even at a point where we're ready to do that with enough information. I just want to keep it on the agenda for the summer before fall and winter take over. I agree. Um I want to find a way to to get that done. Um so I can just jot this down. Um who can't
make our meeting in June? Me. We got one. Who can't make our meeting in July? Okay. And who can't make our meeting in August? All
right. And we have three other members who also may or may not be able to not make these meetings. Okay. Um I don't have any other action items um or business. Sally, um I just think if each of us could take a a few minutes
and and look up the different um pavilions and costs and stuff like that. Our subcommittee kind of did that. I didn't go to any places and look, but they're very reasonable. And um I know there's the Amish or not the Amish, but
the Pavilion Place on Route 33 just passed. They have them sitting right out there. So, if if you're ever anywhere or on a rainy day like tomorrow or something and if we could just come up with some ideas and prices, I think that we that would get the ball rolling a
little more. Do did we get a sketch of the area or because I I know you said 30 by 60, but is it a rectangle, an oval? Is it It's It's roughly an oval. Um we I mean we don't have any like sort of professional drawings or anything of it
really. I I know that looks like a professional drawing, but the oval part is is done in pen. That's not part of the original professional drawing. I guess that that's that I'm not making that up. That's actually the case. It's we had to
draw it on a pen afterward. The bees on here are where possible benches could go around them. I walked out with him and uh that's why I have this one, but I I bring it because I do. All right. Um, I am going to open uh public comment
for our meeting. Are there any members of the public wish to comment? Nobody's here. I'm going to close public comment. Um, and with that, I will entertain a motion and a second for adjournment.
I move we adjourn the meeting. Sally, is there a second for adjournment? Second. All right. I heard Mike for the record. And um, we are adjourned, folks. Thank you.