and just state your name and uh who you're with just for the record. And then >> so I'm at the last meeting when you consult the traffic consultant on this
piece of dirt. Okay, there's our traffic consultant traffic. >> Sure. It's D I S R I O L engineering L. I'm Karen Wallace. I'm the project
manager and architects and I've been working on this project since it started. I know you're familiar with Sher Muller. She's the record. Um so she's you know signing stamping drawings. Um she'll be here for
the planning board meetings but as I'm project this this meeting so she has to do >> okay. Sure. It's Karen K A R E N and Wallace W A L L
E. >> So, um, what I wanted to start with, and you can tell me if this makes sense to you or not, but what we thought we would do is talk about what we've changed for this proposal from what we started with the first one that was tested. Okay.
So, um the first the main change is that the press um originally proposed that they would go out onto Heightstown Cranberry Station Road and then go back in to the overflow parking lot. And that has now
been changed so that they will now drive on they won't go off property. They will stay on property and they'll go along the eastern um drive aisle within the property to get to the
And of course that means that we'll have to um expand that uh lane originally made for just regular cars. We'll widen it to meet Amazon truck standards and turning radiuses. So be changing curves
and expanding the pavement there. Um, luckily there's not a lot of utilities there, so we don't see any issues with widening that. >> So, you're talking about the road basically on the front eastern side of the building, correct?
>> So, you're going to make that wider. Is that what you're proposing? Okay. How much wider are we talking about? Um, if you look at Dan's sheet, he's kind of, it's real schematic, but he shows some
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. You can kind of see it's mostly about the radiuses. So, when you first enter, you know, when you're taking that first part, right? >> Mhm. >> You're going to widen that area up a little bit. And then as you come down
the road, there's another turn here that's a little tough. And then as you come out, this kind of snakes right here. So have to widen that. >> If you look at all the boxes, >> yeah, this is kind of >> those are the areas where you'd have to do some curve modifications. Those curve
modifications are sewn in yellow. And I do it in yellow because I'm color blind and my guys do it in red. I can't see. >> That's why it's in yellow. >> Yeah. The rest of the I mean the straight parts are fine, right? The width of the lanes are fine. It's just
where there's a turn. We have to work on the >> and just refresh me, the private driveway that's here, that's the existing driveway that goes to the building and to the west the there's an industrial building to the west of this site. Correct. And that >> correct?
>> Yes. >> Wayfair or something. >> Correct. Okay. Label private driveway. >> Right. takes you to that building. >> Okay. >> The smallest. >> All right. I see. >> Just to refresh my memory and some people haven't seen this before. >> Y
>> um just on that map, explain where trucks are coming in for Amazon, where trucks are coming in for Wayfair and how far. >> So, can you I'm sorry. Can you just Sure. >> You know what? Why don't you hang that
hang that from that? >> Yeah. So you're not >> We can get a foam board if we need it, but maybe they can just flip it. >> You can bring it closer. Why >> don't you bring it more toward the
center if you could >> that good? Can everybody No, point more toward the professionals. No, >> bring it toward the center and just like that. That's fine. >> That's good. >> Good. >> So, this is the guard over here. This is
the entry exit point for the trucks. >> So all Amazon trucks coming. >> All right trucks use this aisle to the north. So all the Wayfair buildings are north of >> right >> that building that private drive takes
you back to that third building the smallest of >> I don't know if Wayfair is occupying that currently or not. I'm not sure. >> Okay. Uh, from my understanding, nobody's in that small building at this park. >> Okay. And but that the driveway to the south of the
>> that's for access for employee parking there. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> That's a common drive that serves the building in the back. So all the associates use this drive,
right? >> Okay. All Amazon trucks use this drive. Okay. Amazon Amazon trucks coming in and out of that
truck. Use that. >> Okay. And just for the board's benefit, my understanding in talking with Andrew, you had some concerns when this was presented to you last in terms of why
the location of trailer park essentially the furthest point away from where the guard shack is. Yeah, absolutely valid concern >> and and there was some concerns by the neighbors that I guess were brought up that I guess it wasn't part of the
original agreement that there was supposed to be no truck spark, no no truck parking on that southern part of the building there. Is that correct? That's what my memory my vague memory was. Yes, the approval was
for u >> employee parking >> parking on the south side of the building and the building on >> north side, right? Well, what I would interject as it relates to that point is this board and I don't mean the current configuration of the planning but the
planning boarded approval for the original speculative warehouse street building development which contemplated trucks on the south side of this big building. You can see there's concrete.
There's concrete along that side of the building intended to be a truck court that was going to face the resident really the single family res. >> There was amended approval which granted them the additional employee parking to
take over that space. first version of the approvals once were loading docks on either side, but then they came back with an amended approval because they had shift work and they wanted more spaces. Not that they would use them all, but they wanted enough spaces on the south side of the building
to allow them to have the shift changes to use the building. >> And essentially the Amazon for this type of building that they have, they don't need loading on both sides. They need loading on one side and employee parking on the other side. So when Amazon came
in with an amended site plan approval request, >> that's when the trucking aspect on the south side of this building was removed specific to Amazon's operation. If you go out there, you'll still see all the knock doors. Oh yeah, the knock the knockouts are probably there, but
they'll but they'll >> if if Amazon >> moves to another place, >> there's not going to be any trucks on that side anyway. >> It would have to be another approval because the amendment put the employee parking.
>> Exactly. >> And we did take a look, Mr. Chairman, locating the trailer parking on the east side of the building. I think that was something that this DRC had conveyed as why aren't you just putting it there.
So, we did take an earnest look at that. You only yield about 24 trailer parking spaces on that side. And in order to fit the trailer parking on that side, you have to completely reconfigure all that employee parking that currently exists.
>> And the landlord flat out said no. They would not endorse that wholesale change because like you said, if Amazon ever left, they would be left with a building without employee parking on that short side. And if they wanted to demise the building for two tenants, they wouldn't
be able to do it. They're not investing a lot of money to redo what it essentially would have to affect with trailer parking that side. So that was a to support the trucks right now where they're it's already existing here. So here all we have to do is restripe and
put up a fence where here we have to redo all the property. >> So we did take a look at that. We did have discussions with the landlord and they basically discarded that we're not >> okay. >> So we were back to okay we need to
locate the trailer parking here. How do we get them to and from the guard shack without going on to heights cranber station road? And that's basically the plans that are before you doing internal on-site modifications to
accommodate trucks traveling between the guard shaft and that proposed trailer parking. And those three squares and the yellow lines indicate the changes that would need in terms of the curve lines to facilitate the truck maneuvering between where we want to put the trailer
parking and the existing operational I think one of the requests of the board because it was really you know hearing was to have a traffic and I know you did >> and this obviously this is Andy's or
Andrew's Y please not mind but one thing I I just sort of glanced at the summary and I was struck by that the number of trips that you were approved for and the number of trips in 2019 seems significantly greater than 2025.
Is that accurate? >> Yes. Depending on what you look at >> okay >> it's either generating trips that are consistent with that original approval or a little less than original. And I was kind of trying to understand because um a couple things I guess they're
probably interrelated but that I we were I think took the testimony was that there's a bottleneck you're you're pursuing this um >> it's not necessarily a bottleneck. You can see this aerial.
>> Yeah. Look at all the dock doors that are occupied by trailers, right? >> And then look at the trailer parking that is part of that truck port. They're essentially using every single space that exists for either an active truck
being loaded at a dock door or an empty that's occupying a trailer space. So when another truck comes in and everything's occupied, that's the issue. It's not necessarily a bottleneck where we're backing trucks out on Station Road. That's not a problem.
>> It's a trailer management issue. This is not Amazon. Particularly in our region. 30 years ago, if you had an empty trailer, you can send it back to the ports. They would store it and they said absolutely not anymore because there's so many
containers and so many trailers. It's like hey warehouses you have to manage your so you need to provide spaces on your sites to manage your that's what >> because I think one of the concerns of
the board was will this um sort of increasing the flow of operations will increase the tracking >> it will not because this building's operating at capacity this building was designed to handle a certain amount of
volume coming in and out. There's no interior changes to increase that operation. So, it's managing the existing truck flow and the changes that we're seeking in terms of trail additional trailer parking is not going to increase the truck volume as it
relates to this approach. >> Yeah. So, we um we do >> Oh, I'm Laura Pio. I'm the transportation operations manager at this Amazon facility. Um, >> B US CIO.
Um, so I manage the trailer yard. Um, the numbers I was asked to bring today daily we do about 140 trailers a day. Uh, roughly 1,200 a week and anywhere between 48 to 5,000.
Um, which is completely manageable. One thing I proposed, especially if we get the approval to do the internal lean, that because this is a private road, um my inyard hustler vehicles will be
able to do a portion of that driving. So, it would eliminate the need for the third party drivers to use this strip. Um except if they're coming to pick up their empty trailers, in which case um I would talk to our loss prevention
team about putting loaded freight down here. Um this way it's all internal. It's only trailers that Amazon building itself is going to use to eliminate the need for third party to go down this way as much as possible. Right now we do
maybe 40 empties tops at our offsite. um up 130. So, we're not looking at a heavy flow to need to be on this side of the building. My team at peak operations can manage our yard with 10 available parking
spaces, which means I would only need 10 trailers down in this corner, 20 if it's a particularly busy day. Uh what we look at when our yard gridlocks is an excess of inbound freight which the process is then to redirect that freight to other
buildings of our type that can take it and utilize it and get it out that way. And then the intermittent is take what trailers we can to our offsite or in this case would be to this corner of the building to alleviate the safety issues in yard specifically of drivers
dropping trailers, parking other trailers, blocking dock doors. um and utilize our trucks, our drivers with our safety standards going up and down this road to put trailers in this back corner. >> So I just have one related question. I
think it's related which is that when it was approved, you know, originally there was a lot of extra parking than what was required in the ordinance and it was because of the shifts that you know. So you would be getting rid of I think
100 round I can't remember what the total is but um is that because you have fewer people working the shifts are you know are there fewer people on site so the need for the parking is >> yeah we tend to see people gravitate
towards the one side of the parking lot. Uh so this the side that we' be getting rid of is almost always empty because it's also the furthest from the door. So people tend to not want to use it and we'll use every available space closer to the main entrance and to like your
face of the parking lot to the left rather than to the right where we're proposing trailers. >> Yeah. No. And I get that, but I guess my question was do you have fewer people on site that you used to >> that I don't know from a transport she's managing the trucking aspect of
this not necessarily the associate aspect. A lot of the a lot of the surplus parking because this was a spec warehouse building is on the sides. Amazon when they came in with amended site plan approval that parking and you
can see by this area was useless to them because the entrance of the building is central to this long site. That's why Amazon came in and converted what would have been a truck court on the south side to all employee court. To answer your question more
generically, the trend in Amazon's operations of these buildings and other ones is the headcounts have been coming down. You got to remember when we came in for approval with this building. Amazon, it
wasn't they weren't in their infancy stage, but they were very early on with creating these fulfillment centers because that's what this is. This is a nonsortable fulfillment center. So bigger items >> and
give example like Robinsville that fulfillment center that was like generation one they're now working on generation 14. So there's been a lot of evolution in terms of how to run and manage these buildings and as a result yes the headcounts are coming down.
There's more m material handling equipment and technology that's being put into these buildings and existing ones they'll retrofit >> and a lot of times they're retrofitting them where they find the manual labor
who have um some concerns in terms of potential safety like lifting heavy items or doing some awkward movements that the human body is not meant to do. So they've developed technology most notably like robotic arms to replace that. So yes the head council without
question are trending down. >> Yeah I mean sorry just one last question but just I'm just trying to understand you don't need the parking then that is being eliminated. If Amazon needed this parking >> first and foremost, it's associate and
which is their workers health and welfare. That is paramount for Amazon. So if anything was going to negatively affect their associates, we want to be before you. The reality with this site is there's more than enough employee parking and the parking down in that
corner is never used. And you can see on this area >> and I thought it last um testimony was or not last but the last presentation was the back parking lot also totally is not used. Right. >> There's parking on both sides. >> The west side and the east side
completely empty. And then the parking on the the extreme ends of the parking that's on the south side of the building's not used either because the entrance into the building is central. Yeah. and all the it's kind if you ever had an occasion to visit one of these
there is a very extensive security protocol and process that everyone coming in and out of these buildings must go through. So because the building is entrance is central all the security equipment for processing people in and out of the building and that's where
it's located. So naturally employees want to park as close to the door as possible human nature. Yeah, >> Andrew. >> Yeah, I was discussing some numbers to what we're talking about. I believe there were 667 parking spaces that were added to the southern parking lot at the
request and amended plan to have the shift changes that uh was reduced by 187. So about onethird of the parking less than oneird of the parking will be taken out for the parking spaces leaving about 440 parking spaces. So
there's um still a significant number of spaces. The uh whole warehouse um requires 187 spaces. So they're over parked and they have the parking fields on either side of the building in addition to what's on the south. So they
know their operation best, but they do have a lot of parking out there. I've been out there quite a few times and those 10 parking spaces, they're just no cars and the cars are parked. They center around the entrance on the south side.
>> Um, so to continue on, if you didn't have any more questions on that, >> actually, I'm still a little bit I just want some more clarification. So, the small building in the back, how how many trucks parking spaces does that have about?
>> Frankly, I don't know. >> Okay. And how does truck flow to that location work? >> It's private road on the bottom. >> All access road. >> Okay. So, there are trucks already going down that pathway
>> when it's occupied. >> Yeah. >> Y Okay. >> I believe the resident that came in last time was under the impression that there's no trucks going. that might not occasy operational and trucks going back and
forth. I don't know. But the intent now the original application that came to the board was have the trucks go out on Heights Town and then back in and that really was >> a nogo, right? Because that would make extra movements out on the public roadway. What they're doing now is
keeping it internal to the site, which is better. They're still going opposite corners farther along building, but at least it's on site. >> And then, you know, I think you're showing 44 truck spaces proposed. Um,
you talked about 10 to 20 a day. You'd be moving over there empty for the most part. Uh so we have to utilize at this time is what you're thinking. How what's the where are those trucks there? They would be mostly driven by your internal
people. Where would those trucks be? Where and what would be the path to get to this space? >> Come out here. So the hustlers are kept uh right here at this crosswalk because this is where
our Tom office is in the building. Um so they would come out through our checkout um which has gate arms to prevent anybody from following us out using the same uh at the same time. um which managers would control
and open up that gate arm for them, which would also help control movement to make sure that our drivers aren't just taking stuff over there because we have to let them out. And they would follow the proposed route internally and then down this private drive. As long as
this road does not require a license plate, in which case we would use our daycaps that do have license plates and it would be the same path because they're parked in the same area. Well, it's not a public road, correct? >> It's internal circulation. >> Yeah. So, it's not a public road.
>> That being said, I don't know if 39 was granted. If that's granted, then operationally enforcement is turned over to the police and they may have the right to check if you could check on the
answer. >> I don't think it was. I don't think there was ever a request for title 39. >> Okay. >> Enforced amount of site. We can track that now, but I don't think >> Yeah, that would that would change that
if we had to use our days, then we would put more empty trailers in this back corner and have those third party fobtails without a trailer coming to grab their trailer from the back corner and then coming back up this road towards Heights Town to leave with their empty trailer.
They would not have to once they have their MD, they would not need to re-enter the site. They could just drive up the private drive and exit the town and not have to come back in. >> So then you drop off the trailers and then and then come back the same pathway to the guard. >> Yep.
>> The last time you guys came in and went to the site and and the parking lot to the right, employee parking lot to the right, was used quite a bit. there was actually, you know, somebody was stationed standing there checking, you
know, um, you know, checking you as you came in. So, just trying to understand if people if they are um, what we're trying to do is eliminate
as much cross traffic of vehicles and trucks. So I I think that whenever you do come to present as much as you have all this extra parking if you can make it so you know I think from a process wise
administrative process wise if you can make it so that there's limited cross flow of the trucks versus automobiles is is the goal I think we would be looking for. Correct. what what you would you know from an operational standpoint and again you
could you can correct me if I'm wrong you would work around you you wouldn't do stuff during shift change >> you wouldn't be moving trucks during shift change you would you would work you you'd leave a window a half an hour before half an hour after and that that hour window you wouldn't be you know you
wouldn't be mealing trucks around the >> you know if required um I can put it to our RV team or if we need to add additional safety measures, um we can add that stop sign down. We have a stop
sign here. So that would be required. And then for the main entrance ways, add stop like basically make it a four-way stop that my associates have to stop in the middle. Give the associates right away before proceeding down.
Now, >> one of the benefits of this plan is the truck route is on the perimeter of all the car. >> So, if anyone is using that side field and there's a movement back and forth between the trailer parking and the
guard shack, it's all on the perimeter. So, it's not impacting the car parking at all. In other words, none of these trucks that would be moving trailers back and forth have to drive through a parking lot. But if that were the case, we would be
at least any more questions on the back to my list. Okay. So, the next two changes I wanted to discuss were the overflow lot itself, which has changed. So, did you give me the sheet?
Yeah. So, I probably [Music] So for the actual tripod itself. So before we had the um rot ending at this um this is a stairwell into the building. We had it
lining up right here at this stairwell, >> right? >> And we pushed it to the next one. And the reason we did that is because we needed to increase the stall. We had it at 10 ft and it was asked that we make
it 12. So all these stalls are now at 12 ft. So this also increased the amount of um uh straight area kind of buffer area I call it around the stairs as well as
around the fence. Um so the fence has a much larger area of buffer on both sides both the truck side and the associate side. and and we also did a 50 foot radius turn around. So before we were just kind of
thinking well we just pull in here and then turn around if they need to. Um but it was decided that we needed an official um turnaround spot and as we were extending it we went ahead and provided that. So the stalls
um reduced from 53 to 44. So it expanded it, made it everything a little bit larger, more buffered the turnaround and then reduced the number of stalls. And then we did stack this gate here.
Before we had it kind of slide over. So now it's much smaller as far as the entryway and I think that's everything. Oh, other than we also added added some landscaping. There was some concerns about um the visibility. So we added
some landscaping here on the uh west side as long as as far as the south and as well as this main planer island there. I have a question. I know it's fenced. I know it's will they be empty or is there product that
will be stored in the trailers? >> Uh the depending on the what we um what we get approved to have go down that route. Um, if we get approved to have third party go down there, it'll be empty trailers
to have to have them pick up their empties. Uh, if the board would prefer that it be mainly Amazon drivers, then I would propose to have when we get that excess of inbound freight that we be able to put the inbound freight that we
need for the building in that order. And the loading knobs on that side, I know there's knockout. >> They don't have the starts. There's not an actual hole in the wall. They're just they started and that's as far as they got. >> I think that question came up at the
board meeting. I just want to confirm that you have 12 wide spaces. They're not set up just a line of docks. That's not >> No. And I think Amazon standards are 14t now for dock doors, not 12 feet. so that
you can open the doors in the documents. >> Andrew, you had asked at the last um meeting for a strike around the fence to prevent um trucks in hitting it.
>> Yeah. So that's what I meant. Oh, I see. >> Turn around also provides buffer because you're not parking right next to the fence in that area. >> Yep. Yeah, >> sorry.
>> Speaking of the width again, what is our the standard width that we normally require? >> Uh the loading spaces I believe we have is 13 or 14.
It's 15. >> Is that our is that our ordinance 15 or >> that's what's in the ordinance? They just mentioned the standard by the industry is much less than that. And the loading docks even when you said 14, I'm
thinking that's even wide. It gets narrower than that. >> Yeah, I think our loading docks right now are 12. And then our parking spots, some I think parking spots only have to be 9 ft, which is like just wider than the trailer. >> You have to be a professional driver to get.
>> Yeah, there it's fun. It's fun to do. I've done it from behind the corner. >> So, so the question I'm gonna ask next, and this is this is what the neighbor asked, and I didn't think was a bad question, is like instead of having this area, why didn't you just shrink the
parking size, parking lot sizes on the other side of the building so you can store trucks over there >> on the east >> on the on the on the northern side, >> right? So, you need to tell me why you can't do that.
>> What was the question? >> The neighbor asked the question, instead of putting in this auxiliary parking lot, why don't you shrink down the size of your existing truck parking, shrink
it down to I don't I think it's 14 feet now or whatever it is or 15t. >> 15t was the requirement. I don't know what the exist if if you could if you could draw >> I'm not almost
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. We had to um there was a a transportation um safety initiative done a couple months ago where we had to go out and measure and our parking spots and doctors are 12 ft wide. >> All right. So they're actually
>> So they are already small. They're already at 12 feet. >> So there's no shrinking them on the north on the northern site. >> Yeah, because I think when it went up to 1415 was after this building was built and so like there's no way to like make them any wider at this point without losing space.
>> Well, no. It was the opposite. I was going to ask you to shrink it down, but you can't shrink it down. >> There's no I wouldn't. No. No. So, you've already answered that's because that question is going to come up. You need to just you need to I was under the
impression that it was 15 feet, but it's that was the approval, but it's not 15 ft. It's 12 feet. >> Just on that point, you may be injured. Is it preferable not to have the storage
on the east close to the road? Is that >> mean on the southern >> is that a principle a guiding principle? They did look into that. Dan, you can I think he mentioned >> we did look at it. >> Okay. >> And two things that knocked it out of convention, if you will. One is we only
yielded about 24 trailer spaces by doing that. And secondarily, you'd have to reconfigure all that employee parking to get those 24 trailer spaces. and the landlord absolutely said, "No, we're not going to let you make that wholesale
change because if Amazon ever leaves, we're left with a building with trailer parking where we don't want it." They would want the employee parking or the car parking to stay on that east side because then that allows them if they need to Amazon leaves, they could demise that building and have two tenants with
entrances on either short side. >> And Amazon is very um protective of that surface. They don't want to go below because of what is the environment. >> Well, they can't go below because there's hand grenades and all kinds of stuff very
>> I wouldn't go digging in the backyard there. >> Don't don't go put a metal locator out there, >> but he says, [Music] but the pavement itself wouldn't uh
support trucks being parked there. I don't think they're going to be tearing up the pavement and putting down sufficient pavement. >> You know, that's a good point, too. Yeah, >> we could. The landlord was a starter for us. >> Yeah, that's actually You're right.
Grenades is kind of >> No, it's that's >> the term that I learned when we were originally planning for it. It's me. It's munitions of explosives or materials of explosive. And there's some former military guys
that specialize in cleaning up mech. They go around the country. >> Well, they did as good a job as they could and they found a lot of unique things after the explosion there of the unacel property. So when that went everything that was in the building went
up and all over the place and some of it exploded and some of it didn't. So, >> and and the reason why I know this is my my wife's brother used to come home with souvenirs from there when he was a young kid
or something. What are you doing? So, so yeah. No, no. Yeah, that's a that's a actually a good point. We don't want to be disturbing other than these little minor cutout things, mass areas of digging up stuff
and and and having to repave things that I wouldn't want to do on this site. So, that's actually a good point. >> And I think they they testified last time they couldn't do any landscaping internal, you know, to the the parking areas because of that.
>> Right. Right. So, but they could do it in the areas where there's is landscaping, but I guess that's been cleared and they looks like they they put in additional landscaping because that's going to be the concern. Now, again, you've answered my question.
The big the big concern was, you know, they thought it was 15 feet. It's not all 12 feet right now on the northern spot. >> Yeah. We go any smaller. >> You're not you're not going to go anywhere. No, you're not going to go in there. It's just that's a safety
concern. So that's not that. >> So in terms of landscaping though, so established that needs to go here. The landscape looks like added is along the street
side is just low landscaping. Yeah, we're just kind of putting in some uh I think we added we added some trees. You can see there's some new trees >> just where they would be able to die or something between I mean most there is trees out there now and then the idea
was to add some bushes or shy in between. So only my point is is that this private drive goes to the you know empty building in general you know we try to provide birming and landscaping
buffers and and nice pathways to the entries of each you know building you know would it make sense for the extent of this parking truck parking to have more of a solid you know hedro landscaping I'm just throwing it out
there >> well the, you know, how do we hide an elephant in a cornfield? Is that what you're saying? Yeah. So, it's it's a matter of >> we're not putting a fence up, but you're not putting an 8 foot fence up. So, >> they are. >> Well, I mean, but that's that's not
going to hide. >> No, it's not going to hide. >> So, so, and we can't put a big burm in because we don't have the room. So, it's it's it's >> larger larger landscaping for this area as best you can. And you have the list
from our shade tree commission, correct? Are you working off of that list? >> Well, we haven't got to that point, but >> yeah, I would I would work with our shade tree commission and make sure you everything that you have. We just don't want white pines and and
and arborites. But, you know, put put some if you could put some, you know, whatever trees, you know, that grow up 12 15 feet and, you know, then you can maybe hide something there. Um, >> and you have to work with existing trees that are there. >> Yeah. Right.
So just think about how you make. >> So the worst the worst thing that could happen is that if you if Amazon evacuates that building, then that's a very heavily landscaped corner of the property as maybe versus other parts of the property. I mean,
but that could, you know, >> Mr. Chairman, the the trucks will be backing in, right? So, um, the lights on the back of the trucks on the trailers probably should be a very heavy screen up until at least 8 in 10 in above that
point and then it can be interspersed with deciduous like you're saying trees and or other. >> But what kind of fencing were we were we talking about here? >> Just chain link. Are we talking about >> chain link with with slats in it? Is
that what we were talking about or >> I thought it was just like black. >> Yeah, >> it's been a while. >> Yeah, >> I'm sure the board's aware of this heavily densely vegetated. So, the
resident that came out last time, he came out for all the original. If you looking from his house towards his site, you can't see the site. >> For the presentation, it would really help to have an aerial show the whole site, their house, everything 200 ft
around >> because I can't get it on. >> Yeah, that's a good point. >> I just wanted to bring it to the >> And then it's a jungle out there looking south. Well, again, what I we're trying to help you here. So, you need to have
all the right information. You know, you could put on lines of sight and this and that. This is what you're not going to see from that would be helpful. >> And we're not at first to deepen up the landscaping. I'm just pointing out for the board, you'd be doing it for the
benefit of anyone traveling to the third building. It's not necessarily shielded from either town station road or the >> that's all I was looking for that there is that each building typically has a nice entry pro entry that isn't backed
up to you know you're not driving through the the truck parking to get to it >> and in this case we're kind of putting the truck parking there so what's the the best we can do to make it as nice >> so we'll work with the shade tree commission >> yeah they have a I think it's a publish
is it this online. >> It should be double check. >> Is it online? >> It's on our website. >> Yeah, if you look on the on the website and and work off of that list and um
>> we have landscape on staff come up with a plan. >> Yes. So with with the fencing so the drawings it's vinyl coated chain link fence basically
um the I think before we talked about so with way it's shown again because you know how's it all anchored in in the um park in the parking lot it's got to be
surface >> anchored the made was we were going to at one point anchor it, you know, to the face of the pavement >> and it meant, you know, can walks kind of like a temporary fence. Um, and they
decided, well, okay, maybe that is a little too much. So, they allowed us to do um posts. So, we are going to have embedded posts for the fence. They didn't allow that. >> So, the landlord's allowing it, but is that allowed in terms of the
environmental and the digging? There's a question is we just have to have you know third parties come out and check on it do all the right paperwork. >> Yeah. Since post foundations are shallow. >> Yeah.
>> So it's not going to penetrate that >> that's part of the plan that >> for 8 foot fence it's you're going to design it right >> and it's going to be two to three feet deep or something in concrete or >> right. Exactly. But Karen's absolutely correct. While that work's actually being constructed, there has to be
oversight by probably by an LSRP type professional to ensure that there's no issues construction. >> But you're but you're right. The cap the cap for that's probably down deeper than that. >> It is it is they over excavated the cap
is the buildings the pavement and all the landscaping areas and the landscaping areas. Don't quote me on this so long, but there's probably at least like eight foot of clean fil. >> Yeah. >> What do you think there is in the parking area?
>> Uh in the parking area because the asphalt is the cap, it's not going to be, >> but they're going to be digging posts through the asphalt, too. >> So, they'll have Okay. Um, I guess the only question and I'm just throwing out to other board members like in some of the other
projects, you know, is this a location where you would consider using this the slat fencing, you know, as a true barrier or not? Is that important or not? I'm not saying it is. I'm just bringing it up as a question for I'm not
opposed to that. I mean, that I will leave to to Liz and Andrew. I mean, if you think that's going to Dave brought up a point about this way, you won't see the, you know, the red lights or the, you know, >> the headlights or Yeah. Um,
>> I say the the plan is 8 ft. That should be more than sufficient because the only lights higher than eight feet are the tiny little clearance lights that are like >> But we're talking about putting slats in between the >> Well, I was talking about the the slat
fences that were used over at the you know um it was a nice aluminum, >> you know, totally opaque fence. Wasn't just slats in the chain link, >> right? >> We typically don't do that. >> No, we don't do that. >> Yeah. It was
might be proper to wait until Mr. Dylan shows up and reserve judgement till then at least on those couple little items. >> So what I might suggest is >> when you come to the planning board also look at the other types of f fencing or
maybe professionals could share what has been used on other projects. Can you do solid vinyl or is that something that aesthetically appealing? >> We've never had it in a commercial situation. I
>> since it's not since it's not going to be seen from the road. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I'm right. >> I'm good with whatever is the least expensive thing. It's not normally Yeah. I mean, if it's chain link with slats in
between, I you know, just prepare for that. >> Okay. >> Just give the neighbors. >> Well, it would be nice, but >> he's got a 40 foot burn. >> Yeah. Yeah. Believe me, >> and what I can say from like other Amazon sites, I've never seen any Amazon
that didn't just have chain link. And I worked down at the Amazon down in Florence that is right across from apartment buildings and the fire department and they only have I'm just thinking more of because the neighbor is already burned. I'm assuming
I don't know exactly where he is. I'm looking at more in terms of, you know, kind of you try to look at our facilities as being kind of class A facilities. You know, that you're not driving typically with the way they're designed,
you're not driving through truck parking to get to a building in the front door of your space. No, that's an absolute fair ask and we'll take >> So, however you can do it with landscaping, nicer fencing just for that section. That's kind of the intent I
think that we're looking >> but I think the takeaway is the board at least desire is some type of solid screen >> right so I don't see the trust particular >> exactly that's a combination of a fence type or just a fence
>> and we're not talking anything >> above what that would require a variance just whatever the standard size fence would be Yeah. >> Yeah, I think so. >> Yeah, I think so. >> So, we don't need anything exotic above
that. >> We can definitely >> entertain that. Okay. >> Absolutely. >> I think we want anyway, especially for back there. We don't. >> So, on operations again, would you be moving trucks 247 or would you would you
be taking MPs out and putting them over there around the clock? >> Yes. >> Okay. So >> it would it wouldn't be like every trailer goes there, but obviously it would be on an as needed basis. The same way we utilize our site. >> If we have plenty of space in our
regular parking, then we have no reason to move anything over there. >> We want we want efficiency as well. I don't want my drivers taking the extra long to go around the building to grab a trailer. So it really would just be an overflow lot as we need it. >> Okay.
>> Where's your off site? I I think I didn't realize that. uh 450 black horse lean. >> So that so this is reducing the amount of trims going between outside the outside. >> Correct. Like right now our yard cap is 85%. So I have 20 parking spaces on
site. I the only reason we move entities is to maintain that 85%. Um but like right now I would not need to use that over the so I wouldn't have any traffic going through the front of the building. So this almost has to be you're on I
assume for this gate you have a clicker or something. So this >> it's kind of like a garage door clicker. >> So it almost has to be your on-site people, not a third party. >> Correct. >> To get in and out of the gate, >> right? >> So again, it would only be if we did have third party going back there, it
would be for an empty trailer. Our RGM checks them out as if they already had the trailer with them. They go bobtail trailerless to that back corner, grab it, use the private drive to go right to Heights, and then wherever they got to go next. >> One other question about the gate gated
entry. Um, and this is more of operation for you guys. To me, design-wise, it seemed like it would make more sense for the gate to be on the other side, for the design of this to be mirrored to get that drive lane because the trucks
has no kind of, you know, they're they're turning out directly against the curb. Whereas, if you and the trucks coming in are going this way with curb. So, it just seemed like if you mirrored this and the gate was over here, now the trucks have a little bit more swing to
get out and they have this natural swing. It's just something to think about. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> And then the only other question was why the funny staggering of the fence and those four last
five last parking spaces. >> No, you're you're you're kind of there on that anyway. So, >> oh yeah, >> you've got the five funny little dead end parking spaces. >> Why not just put your fence nice and square somewhere in between that keeps
makes it all a little bit cleaner looking and and doesn't end up with this funny parking. >> Yeah. You know, why not just make that straight? And you can can't if you made it straight, it just seems like you'd be able to you got plenty of room there to
not lose any truck spaces or or car spaces. Even if you made it straight just one space over, you would gain, you know, one, two, three, four, five spaces back and just be a nice square and give you a little bit more truck space and it would be a little bit cleaner
looking from the outside. Talk about putting the striping all the way over. >> Take take So where that fence is now, just move it over nine feet for another parking space to the left. >> Right here. >> Yep. Take that fence line, move it to the left. Nine feet. >> Uhhuh. >> And then just come straight down. All
the way down. >> Oh, all the way down. >> Yep. And that gives you gives you a little bit more room for the truck area. And the four spaces that you lose, you gain back, you know, along the edge. >> Yeah. I think what I was thinking is that lots of times we can probably speak
to this um they'll have the um turn around for the trucks kind of at the end of the drive. >> Yeah. >> So we don't normally do that where there's actual >> I understand that it's just you have so much extra parking anyway. Just make it as clean as you can is the is the
thought. >> I mean we could just stripe it out but I don't think >> I understand. Yeah. But you're still getting your your truck space >> only if we absolutely needed to like if we're in that bad of shape. Um
>> we wouldn't want anything wouldn't want anybody turning too close to have their their tail end smack another trailer. So this we would be >> my intent wasn't to give you more truck parking than what you're asking for. It was more to clean it up and not create
the dead not create the dead end parking. Yeah, do that. I know just a little >> I mean it's I mean like you said >> Yeah. I don't understand.
So we're done with questions on the overfl. So the pedestrian zone uh sorry uh pedestrian area um we had kind of started out with these
um concrete that the landlord you know negotiated with us down the plastic ones that we ended uping. So we went back and said okay so we go back to the concrete planters. So, I found some concrete
planters actually have benches on them. So, I thought that was kind of nice. So, I got those in there. And then we also added So, the concrete benches, planters, and ballers. Um, and then
what else do we do? Oh, um, real minor, but I kind of pushed this up a little bit at one point and I just made it completely straight. So, it goes all the way through now. And part of the reason that I had bumped it up is because we had parking on this side and I kind of
just wanted to direct the pedestrians away from the parking. But um one of your comments last time was you know that you thought the parking here might be an issue and we agreed because you know we added this
um aisle here right so you can get around because we're cutting this area off from this end of the circulation. So, we decided we'll get rid of this parking here. Um, and that way this is just all circulation for the cars. No one's going to be parked there trying to
back it out when someone's trying to get through. Um, the other item that was a concern for the board last time was this stair. It's an existing stair that was coming out directly onto the drive lane. And so
everyone agreed that we could turn that stair so that it would go into this existing striped area for the pedestrians. They can kind of mingle out here before they have to worry about crossing that drive.
Um I think that was everything we did there. >> So just some so I guess questions. So I have to hit is kind of when I went to the site the you know when you
were here last time I was like expecting a really nice entry or something for Amazon and you know you get there and it's like wow what's you know this is just a striped off area. This is really weird. >> Um
so it's kind of disappointing. Uh, and it just seems like this is a nice opportunity for you to make something nice out of it. You know, all of our other warehouses that are, you know, signature brands have, you know, nice
entries and um, you know, it's this is a nice class A facility obviously, but this is the entrance. The entries were oversized and painted, you know, I guess because originally were oversized, probably for truck turnout turns.
Uh, it's still a little weird that this monumental stair kind of comes right down and the planters are right in the center of the monumental stairs you come down into. Why not shift your double lane all the way to the left
or even make three lanes? I don't know if you need if it would help traffic at all. Make two in and one out and use up that whole entry. Um, and then kind of shift you're kind of making a PL, you know, by default you're making this big
entry plaza that's just a bunch of stripes pavement which is it's kind of like all right, why do what's you know what I mean? It's this impressive space that is not impressive, you know, because it's ballards and and striping,
>> right? So, if you if you moved the entry exit aisle all the way over to the left and and that would even give you room for two entry aisles if you needed it or wanted it. I think it'd be nicer if you did have it. And you could rework the striking striping. That would then allow
you to move this plaza over to the left a little bit more. And so, so the grand stairs come into this plaza and rather than just using striping and striped concrete, it's a nice opportunity. I was
googling, you know, um, oversized tree planters and you you can get some that are 4 feet by four feet by 36. You can get round, you get different colors. You know, this building has no outdoor space. Would this be used for
employee meetings or outdoor space for like people said to sit or get out of the building? >> Tried approach at one point of putting tables and things like that out there wasn't previously run back and ask for again. But
>> but even if there's no seating if you make it's a nice opportunity to make something nice out of it. I mean, with the planters, we could potentially make those larger so that we could put something more substantial in there >> and and rather than striping the concrete, >> we don't necessarily have to stripe it.
I mean, I think the original thought was straight so the cars don't think they can go through, but I think with the balls, maybe it's unnecessary now. >> Yep. Exactly. >> Okay. >> So, I'm just trying to challenge you to make that whole thing >> I would say concrete, but we know that's
>> right. But paint is cheap, you know. >> Um, but, you know, think about, do you do a variety of planters? Do you do a couple larger ones with actual trees or, you know, >> right? >> Um, you know, crepes or something blooming that is small enough that can
fit in a small planter that softens that up and just makes it a nicer place for the employees and place where you come to like, yeah, this is this is class A facility. But so, And then the only
thinking that in case I showed a landscape area decided it wasn't going to work. I showed it across from the doors and
probably the point was you know here once you use those doctors that landscape's going to be in the way of those trucks. So um we will eventually probably want to add some landscaping to make up for the curbs and the widening
of that lane to you know natural impervious square footage. Um, but we're gonna have to figure that out with the civil engineer. Where is that three building to and make sure that we're matching that location. So, at some point, we'll devise where that square
footage landscape should be added and we'll find somewhere in that associate parking area. But for now, what I proposed in this, don't worry about it because we decided it's not really going to work.
In in the original in your original presentation, you had fencing all the way around all the lots you were going to use for lot trucks. That's not happening anymore or um the fencing already happened. Oh. Um, the original.
>> Yeah, I thought the I thought originally you had um truck parking at the left hand side as well. Originally, >> you had something there. I thought No.
Okay. >> Just this. So, the only new fencing is just Okay. >> Everything else is already Okay. [Music] So I believe that is everything. [Music]
So yeah, that's that's everything that we've changed from our first presentation proposal. Andrew, >> I'd just like to see um how that circulation area up front with the
planters with all the fixtures you're talking about looks like. I know it's on these cleanups that are being [Music] working with part of the reason it's not
an entrance was originally the south side of the warehouse to be used as >> warehouse docks. But that was just when they got the amending to put in all this parking that they no longer need to put the trucks there. >> It became the front door.
>> Exactly. For the employees, it became the front door. So that doesn't mean it shouldn't look better for the employees and parking spaces that are there and this chance to have that happen. So, I I think what they're doing is better than the
original application when it came in. Um, and they're keeping the trucks off station. That was my largest not have those trucks coming and going once road. So,
the layout now is a lot more to the board seeing that this can be done internally. and managed. Again, I agree. During shift change, you don't want the trucks mixing with all the cars that could be
managed by site. >> Let me ask a silly >> maybe a silly question. If it is going to be all, if these trucks are going to be driven by Amazon personnel and they're using clickers to get into
the other lot, supervision to get in and out, rather than doing all these changes to the front drive, why not just have them go out the back and come around into it into the other way and avoid all that cost and changes to the front? It's up to you.
>> There's no guard. >> Exactly. But there's no guard house into the temporary lot they're going into anyway. So if they're controlling that with cameras and it's their staff that is driving the trucks, why not just let them out the back with the same precautions they're using at the other
one same controls? That's that's a question for Amazon. I'm just It seems like you're spending a lot of money and it'd be nice it'd be nicer to have the truck traffic all stay in the back of the building rather than mixing with the car traffic. And it just seems like you're spending a lot of
money to do this kind of difficult pattern of traffic for trucks and you can spend probably less money putting the added security in whatever you need to do to make it make it safe especially if employees are the ones
that are doing the moving of trucks. >> Yeah. The unfortunate thing is if we went out the other side is that Amazon would require another warehouse. So now they've got two security entry exits and then there's a lot of you know requirements for guard house
infrastructure etc. >> And I think that's >> losing docs because there's not enough room. So now you're the worst and now you're losing that opportunity by putting that out there. So that's
it sounds easier but it really isn't unfortunate. say if Amazon requires it. We do have um from when CO we got many mobile office trailer things that that two spaces we were talking about that we
wouldn't want to put long trailers there. We could move that mini mobile over to that area to stage a security officer if we need to. If Amazon requires it to your point to have it secured, we do have a structure
already that we can move into that area to have one of our veteran security guards there >> or staff Tom associate. One of my TA there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If you're not if you're not sto well
>> if you're afraid we wouldn't >> that's that's >> your looked at every >> but that's your you know what that's your internal business type of thing. I I I don't >> if you are going to put a
wherever if you are gonna wherever you're going to put something is where we want to see it. That's >> after the last meeting that's when I got involved that was the first question I >> and once Amazon took me through the reasons
>> you need a guard house right so now a human has to stand in that guard house well now because it's so far removed from the building you have to run sand there and have a toilet that guard house has to be on an island now the island's going to take out probably two dos and two trailer parking
spaces. So now you're kind of selfdefeating >> while you're trying to do what we're trying to achieve with trailer parking and maintain all the loading docks and trailer parking spaces in the existing. >> So it became cost prohibitive but then >> yeah fair enough because I'm like guys
why are we making so >> yes doesn't Amazon maybe not have access to the cross like some but does it uh the other I thought the other facility
>> all shared drive >> shar I think that was test >> is there emergency gate setting curiosity on west side of that upper parking lot and north of the north parking lot is there a gate down that the western end
>> for emergency or whatever yeah okay >> I also remember we talked about man gate and um caves area for for mercy escape >> case >> you you need to yeah we >> we've done that >> you're going to need to you're going to
need to put something in there >> oh okay lot >> yeah in case something happens we required that in another building that they have and that's an out that's out only
>> yeah we have a man gate joining >> out only Yeah. >> Okay. >> There's actually an existing sidewalk right there. >> All right. So, any other questions from our professionals? Comments?
>> Not so important question. Is the site irrigated or landscapable? >> Landscaping irrigated? >> Yes. Any landscaping would be say that's required.
>> There's no environmental reason why landscape >> wondering the the plastic caps. >> Yeah, I don't know if the existing landscaping >> or requires it. So >> then it must
>> Let's put it this way. the ordinance requires >> it'll happen >> as long as there's no environmental reason why we usually landscaping are very >> all right so so we're at a point of summing up here
for the I think first of all we're going to go ahead with the parking lot in the existing location I think we've overcome that right because there was you know questioning about and the reason why you can't put the parking and put additional parking on the northern part of your
building because you're already down to 12 feet. You don't have 15 feet. There's a 12t spot. So, you can't shrink it down anymore, nor would we want you to. Um, you're going to do that. You you actually expanded the parking lot a little bit so you can have a wider wider
spots on the southern spot. So, we're making everything 12 feet. So, it's 12 feet on the north, it's 12 feet on the south. Do they need a variance for that? Are they gonna require >> I think it's a design >> design waiver. Okay. So, um and you're
going to move the gate on the western spot or the the whole fence line on the western spot. Um per Bill's recommendation to kind of clean that up. >> Yeah. Whatever works best. >> Right. You're going to you're going to consider some kind of screening fence based on whatever input. You're going to
work off the approved list of trees and shrubs from the shade tree commission. Um, you're going to look at planters. I I kind of missed the planter part, but you're going to look at planters as need be or or look at those planters directly in front of the just look at the entry
one more time in terms of where the in and-out drive lanes are, whether there's two or three. And if you pushing him to the left would allow you to move the planters and the I'll call it the plaza, you know, to the left so that you don't
walk down the monumental stairs right into the planters. You walk into that space and then just look at how you can develop that space. >> You're going to do we're going to allow the shaping of some of those curving areas and the expansion so they can move the trucks internally, which was our big
concern. And we're looking at um >> I think you raised last time. >> Okay. [Music] >> That sounds familiar. Yes. Just look at where the fire hydrants are in terms of
access. you know, where you're putting the fence and what's on each side of the fence and that there's the appropriate access for fire to the hydrants. >> They don't need fire department on this, do they?
>> Yeah. Fire department. >> Okay. >> All right. Um I think we're pretty that's about it, right? I think we're pretty straightforward on making this
cleaning this up. Do you want to When would you want to come back? When can you come back? >> We want to come back. >> I know it's really tight. >> December 4th. >> When When do we have Christmas?
>> November 6. Unless you want both on one. I just don't know how long that one will take. I don't think this is going to take that long since we've already beat this to death a hund times already.
Why Why would this take Why would this take that long? Why Why would it take that long? I I see no reason for this to, you know, I can't speak for the rest of the board, but I I don't see if if you all feel we're good with what I just
sum summarized here. I think the improvements they made have gone a long way. I think it makes it that much better. I'm not sure how quickly they can get those done given time for the final review. I will be available for number November 6th meeting. Um I do
have another commitment that evening, but I would have somebody in my place if necessary if you want to go forward that evening. >> Well, I'd like to get this done and and and get this off the table. Well, they've been already here now twice and
and then, you know, get this pushed through. Kursner, that I don't know if we're getting that done that night. That that might not get done. >> That might be a a marathon. >> And then we got to talk about chickens, too, that night. So,
>> it's an internal joke. You don't need to know about it. >> You don't want to know about it. So, >> yeah. Yeah, quail. That's even better yet. Um, >> what else will be on? >> Ker station. >> Yeah.
>> I But realistically, we're talking November here. >> Can you get it done in November? >> October October 23rd. time to review if we come in with
additional plans. >> Usually we get it >> no Yeah, November 6th is the meeting date. So then two weeks before that is the 23rd. I don't know. >> It'll be fine for me. >> Huh?
>> I be fine for me. Most of this stuff is is Andrew's >> good enough for you. Yeah, >> it's up to you. If you think you can do that >> and then we need to we need to post two weeks before, right? The notice. >> Yeah, >> why don't we why don't we do that? We
could we could secure that and then there's a jam up with plans or then we'll just have to carry it towards that. >> I forget whether they carried it. Did they carry this or not? Did you carry this or do
>> notice? >> Yeah, I think you had to renotice. All right. >> Oh, okay. All right. But that was to May first. So, >> yeah, you're >> okay.
All right. agree. >> I I would put you put you first on the agenda and then get this. I would ra I just want to get it done. >> I don't want you know you're all spending a lot of time coming in here and I think we just and I need think we
need to beat this to death anymore. Okay. >> Excellent. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Anything else? We're good for now. Okay. Thank you for coming in. I appreciate
it. We appreciate it. Now, well, we appreciate your business here.