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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: yBXEbTFyQ9E):
- 00:00:21: Introduction and Meeting Time Constraints Explained
- 00:00:55: George's Garage Expansion: Intentions and Current Operations
- 00:07:34: Dual-Use Building: George's Garage and Enterprise Details
- 00:08:50: Visualizing the Layout: Property Map and Building Placement
- 00:15:11: Engineer's Comments: Stormwater Management and Aisle Size
- 00:19:39: Traffic Consultant: DOT Letter, Sidewalks, and Security
- 00:25:50: Clarification on Pedestrian Access and Enterprise Car Wash
- 00:28:14: Zoning Board Application: Use Variance Requirements Discussed
- 00:31:39: Board Feedback: Noise Concerns, Stone Driveway Considerations
- 00:36:47: Board Comments: Design Standards, Signage, Street Improvements
- 00:40:45: Next Steps: Addressing Issues and Zoning Board Agenda
- 00:44:31: Pump Station Project: Sewer System Improvements Explained
- 00:48:20: Sidewalks, Property Owner Concerns, and Force Main Details
- 00:51:32: Eligibility, Involvement and Concerns with Project Approval
- 00:56:16: Generator Information, DOT, DV permits, and Wrap-up


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Let me get on the mic here. Um, there's nothing official here or anything. No decisions will be made. It'll be suggestions given or whatever or blank stairs or whatever. So, uh, you know, just present. Now, we're going to kind of hold it to for 30 minutes each each

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each applicant because we got a a meeting at 7 o'clock. So, we and then we got to get some stuff done before the 7 o'clock meeting. I got to sign a bunch of plans and everything. So, we'll hold it to like 30 minutes. Okay. All right. So, why don't you give it a start?

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Just introduce yourself and um we're not going to if you have any witnesses or anything, you don't need to we don't need to swear them in or anything like that. >> Yeah. So, introduce yourself and your name and let's go. >> All right. Uh, hi everybody. Uh, my name is, uh, Tony Alfano. I'm the, uh, owner

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of George's Garage and, uh, GSN Legacy Corporation with my family. Um, came here a couple years ago, uh, actually for this, uh, uh, concept and, uh, we took some of the stuff that we were given and, uh, came back now and we're,

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we're pretty much ready. Also, we have uh obviously a new uh entity uh going to be joining us. So, uh that being said, um the uh current use of the property, uh we

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George's Garage stores our vehicles uh on the property. Uh this is we're talking about the south uh end of the property towards uh the open field area and uh next to the Justin Drive. >> Yeah. And your property is located on Route 130,

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>> 2681, Route 130 in Granberry. Yeah. >> Um, currently we store our vehicles there. Uh, we're doing uh minor repair work to vehicles that are towed in and uh you know, occasionally uh have to store a

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vehicle for the night, the trailer, the tractor trailer, until it's towed somewhere else. Um the uh intent of this building is to have a place to house our equipment. Uh mainly

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the equipment is very expensive. Uh it has a longer shelf life. Obviously if it was to be inside some of the trucks are a million dollars a piece. Um >> this is your big tow vehicles, >> right? The big big tow vehicles. Uh, also too, um, you know, I'm a a reader

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of of the master plan and I've been paying attention a lot the last couple times, you know, we've all talked. Um, you know, and and I'm also a businessman. Obviously, we want to improve our property uh and make it look better. Um,

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this building would serve a lot of purposes for that function and it also would uh allow us to uh and again the elephant in the room next door, we were there first, but also they don't want to

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look at a towyard. So, you know, the um the building definitely uh makes that all possible. Um, we uh wanted to point out some definite uh uh areas, you know, that the building

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would have uh uh an impact or not an impact on. Um, no new work is going to come from this application. As far as George's garage is concerned, we're not looking to improve uh improve or expand the size of the business. This is all work that is

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currently being done. Um the uh no major repairs are going to be performed in this building at all. Uh it's going to be alternators, belts, hoses, uh general stuff that's you know, we're not going to be rebuilding

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vehicles, that sort of thing. Uh, as far as our vehicles, we just do work, uh, you know, on our vehicles, uh, oil changes, maintenance, general, general stuff like that. Um,

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George's garage will not have any access to the public for this building. So, they're not going to we're not going to use it as a uh, office uh, or um, you know, a place of business. We are still having the other facility that's uh on the north end of the property. Um so

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there will be no public access for Georgia's Garage customers in this facility. Um the uh no Georgia's Garage employees will have to have parking in this facility. Again, they're going to use the uh the uh other building for

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parking. Um the Cranberry Police Department and uh and George's Garage have worked together for years uh as far as uh doing towing for the township and uh they do uh investigative work

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sometimes at our facility. Um this building will be used also. We want to give them a place to if they need to investigate a vehicle that was involved in a crime or a fatality or something of that nature, uh we want to give them a place to do that that inspection. Uh the

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office facility that is located in the building in the George's garage section will be used for them. Um also to for mechanics to maybe make estimates, uh call customers, that sort of thing. uh

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use it for brakes, bathroom, that sort of uh thing. Um we're going to be keeping uh four of our tow trucks inside. Uh and then the area to the right of the

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uh uh bays would be used for the minor repair work. Um the section of lot on the north side uh towards the I'm sorry on the west side of the property uh would be used for uh

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storing additional equipment for instance like uh our uh small back hoe uh forklift that sort of thing uh overflow um and it'll have the garbage dumpsters uh on the right hand side of the

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property or I'm sorry the east uh side of the property uh the building is where the Enterprise uh would be located. Uh Enterprise is going to have its own parking area. Uh we're proposing 14

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spots including uh conforming handicapped uh spots, uh adequate lighting, etc. Uh we're also uh proposing a small area that Enterprise would be using for overflow

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vehicles that they would not have any public access to. So that would be located along the uh the fence line on the north side of this uh property. It's you'll you can see the spots are designated on the map. >> Let me interrupt you one second. So this

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is a combined building then. >> Yes. >> A dual use building, >> right? So Enterprise that's now located on the just off of Cranberry South River Road is planning to vacate that facility, >> right? >> Potentially and move over here.

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>> Yes. >> Okay. >> Um so Enterprise would have uh the 14 spots to the uh towards the left side of the building and then also they're going to have some overflow spots uh on the

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opposite side of the parking. That area would have no access to public. It's just uh it's just an area where if they have a a large amount of returns, they would be able to stack the cars up until they get distributed out. Um their uh facility also obviously will have a

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waiting area, a counter. Uh it's very similar to the building that they're in now on Cranberry Road. It's just obviously new. Um it would have a uh a a bay where they're going to be uh designated to clean their cars. Um

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they're doing minor cleaning, uh vacuuming and a wash and then they rent it out to their customer. Um >> do you have a map like a of the whole facility that >> uh it's in the Yeah.

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>> Could you put it up on the I done this one. Put your Yeah. >> So, I'm trying to get my bearings here. Where's Route One? Why don't you stand up there? Yeah. >> Where's Route 130? >> Route 130 is here. >> Where's the new building, the Enterprise

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with the Enterprise and the three big truck bays. >> Okay. So, just Justin Drive, the big building on Justin Drive is here, like right behind us. So, this would be right next to the Justin So it's it's towards the south of our property. The building

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is going to face. >> Okay. And then on you're not going to have any other buildings on this site, you said. Or are you? >> No. No. just be just >> and the rest would be you're the you're

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going to have three trucks inside the big the big >> it'll be it should be four trucks inside. It's a pretty good size. >> Yeah, I see that you're going to be able to park double inside. >> Yeah, it should be they should be able to be stacked. Okay. And then

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occasionally they'll store our trucks on that too. >> Right. >> Right. >> That's by um >> the north end of the property, >> right? >> And the and the rescue squad is back in

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there. Correct. right here on the corner pretty much. Right. >> So, right now you it's you you basically have stuff all over the property, >> right? kind of by being able to put this stuff inside

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two purposes. Obviously, it keeps the stuff out of the weather and then it also I don't I don't want the property to be in. >> Well, you're you're you're what I consider a legacy business in town.

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You've been here a long a long time, >> right? So that's a legacy business and and >> Route 130 and Cranberry has evolved in different stages or not involved in different stages based on where your

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property is where somebody's property is located. But if you look across the street at the Pensky facility, you know, that's actually a really nice facility. They've maintained that very well. And this I think would complement >> that facility across the street.

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>> So we're not it's not like we're >> oh goodness we're going to be parking big, you know, tow trucks and this and we don't have anything like that. No, we have something like that right across the street. >> Right. Right. And it's already it's already there. It's already there. It would be a nicer cleaner

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>> right >> way of doing it. Plus, they're not, you know, the building the building we when I went to the uh meetings for Justin Drive. Um, one of the concerns that they had when they had that concept plan was that you're putting you're asking to put

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a a housing development near it next to a toyard. I spoke at that meeting and I also mentioned this. This was years ago. This is something that my father-in-law wanted to do 25 years ago. You know, unfortunately, he didn't live to see it. You know what I mean? um when when we uh talked about it, they

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thought it was a great idea then, you know, it's just unfortunately it just takes a long time to do this kind of stuff and you know, we're in different phases of life now, so this is more of a more of a reality for me, you know. >> Well, and plus you're you you were nice enough to sell us some of the land for

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the affordable housing, too. So, I mean, you know, some of that some of your land to the south was used. >> Oh, no, no, that's next next door. That's next door to me. Yeah. I thought that was part of your property at one time. >> Um, no, no, we uh we we own right to the

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end and then the Midway Diesel was the next uh >> Oh, that's who it was. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Even Keith. >> Um but yeah, it's uh it would definitely be a big improvement to the site. I mean, the place would look really nice. The landscaping plan is really nice. Uh

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you know, we want to, you know, clean things up as much as possible. My intent is not to, you know, I I agree with you as far as legacy is concerned, but also in the same sense, I I don't want to get any bigger. I like

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where I'm at. You know what I mean? So, this is not >> You don't want to be on like Highway to Hell on >> No, I love I love that show. >> I love what I I love I love what I do, but in this capacity. I I don't know how some of these guys have 40 million trucks and, you know, do that kind of

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stuff. >> Okay. So you you you you don't envisioning bit, you know, building out your business bigger than what you what you got now. >> No. >> Okay. >> This is a beautiful size and that's where I want to stay. >> All right. All right. I'm going to turn

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it over to our professionals and how we doing on time. We're good. Got another >> Yeah, we're Yeah, absolutely. >> Hey, hi Dave Hoder. I'm the engineer for both planning board and zoning board. Um I don't have a real a lot of comments,

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just a couple. Um is most of the area stone now or it says asphalt and stone. Is is it sort of a mixture because of how it was paved over the years? >> It's sort of a mixture of how it was paved over the years. The majority of it is uh the majority of it out there is uh is like a millings or a stone

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>> millings. Well, millings wouldn't be considered asphalt, but but it's all considered they call driveable drivable surface at the DBP. Um and uh your engineer states on the plans that no storm water management requirements will

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apply. But one question is um if the stone was put down before February 2004 um then it should be exempt. If it's been put down after that, you may have to do some storm water management,

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>> meaning pipes and >> it's been that it's been that way. I'm there 30 years and it's been that way since I've been there. Okay. So, >> but Dave, if they're going to pave the whole parking lot over >> Well, they're not. They're going to put stone down. >> Okay. The only the only area we're going to pave is by by the Enterprise. Uh,

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>> yeah. He's saying so I haven't actually calculated out the stone versus the pavement on the new stuff. But I'm I'm a little concerned because all the flow goes to the back and it all goes to Bennett Bennett Drive or Bennett Place. And um so um I'm going to be very

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interested in the calculations and I'm going to maybe ask you to you have 140 foot island there which is really big. If you can reduce the size of that aisle a little bit you're going to have less drainage coming off the site and less impact on Bennett. Um because it all

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runs to the back there and the and the flow might run it might be more flow than could be handled by the drainage system that was built only for that street. You know, it wasn't built for your property >> and you're going to make it go there a little faster because of the new the new

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roof, you know, new pavement areas. And so so I'm going to be looking towards uh when you do come in uh formally towards something that will keep that from be causing a problem in the rear uh uh you know the south rear of the property

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there. Um otherwise um like I said one comment would be the I think the aisle is way too large. You don't really need all that. You could probably do uh something to maybe buffer the the property between

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uh the south and and the building and between your uh uses, your use and and those uh storage spaces that are located on the uh on the north side. Otherwise, um it may be a better thing

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to provide um pavement going out towards the road for the enterprise people because, you know, all those people coming in on stone, that's not a normal thing. Usually, it's paved, >> right? >> But that's that's again, you got to

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figure out the the stone versus the um uh the pavement calculation and find out whether you're in trouble with the storm water. Really, that's that's the biggest thing I have, Mr. Yeah, I think that kind of jumps out a little bit. Um, but it's not that it couldn't be worked.

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>> Oh, it could be worked out, but you know, you wind up having to maybe build a detention basin or not or or doing some kind of a swale or or or something some kind of recharge. We we originally our original concept uh in 23 was a larger building, but we actually reduced

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the size of it to try to avoid some of the storm water issues because so big that it would it would it would hog up so much of the property. It was uh you know >> Yeah. I'm just trying to say that I I want to make sure you don't interfere with the drainage on Bennett Place >> and you don't cause any problems back

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there. >> Yeah. No, there aren't any. I'll mention it to the engineer and we can uh you know we can look into his uh you know ideas definitely I appreciate your uh >> okay input >> uh Andrew Fanda traffic consultant to

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the board. >> Um first thing I'd like to say is beware of the DOT. There's going to have to be a DOT access application if you have >> we actually um we did have a uh I do have a letter of no interest from DOT. >> Okay.

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>> Um and we've uh readressed the enterprise and uh we're in the process of uh the firm was getting a uh uh they but they don't believe that the the enterprise is going to have any impact and they said that current letter should be adequate. >> If you have the DOT letter of no

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interest then that's great. Yeah, that's that's >> Yeah, I l >> right up front. That's a good thing to have. >> The last time we uh we applied uh knowing that we were coming in and uh they sent a letter of no interest. It's been probably about six or seven months. So, that's good. So, we do have it.

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>> Okay. And and this is all on lot 4.01. >> Yes. >> Of block. It doesn't I know there's a driveway connection to the adjacent lot, but all this work is just talking about that, >> right? It's a separate application for both properties. Yeah. >> Okay. Two properties. So, there's no subdivision of the lot whatsoever. It's

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already >> It's already two lots, >> own lot. >> That's good. Um, are there any frontage sidewalks proposed? >> Sidewalk along the front uh along the route 130?

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>> No. Um, we've uh talked about this the last time as well. The driveway aprons uh where the entrance and exit would be are pretty large. Um, if if there is a sidewalk to be required, the only one I

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would think would make sense is from the end of our driveway to Justin Drive. It's a short distance of whatever it is, maybe 75 ft or so, 50 ft. >> Okay? And just to let you know, if you have a letter of no interest, that means

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your access is fine. You can still go back and do work in the DOT right of way, but that will require a highway occupancy permit to do something like a sidewalk or if there's some small >> we didn't plan on proposing a sidewalk. If it if it's necessary, then it's necessary, but uh you know, at this

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point, it's that area where the sidewalk would be is going to be landscaping. >> Okay. >> And Justin Drive kind of stops. I don't think they have a sidewalk up until the end. >> I don't know if they have a sidewalk 130. I don't think >> upstream or downstream. >> I I'd have to double check, but we were

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conforming with with that same plan when we talked about the landscaping because I their landscaping kind of looks nice. It's a I don't know 10 foot area or so from the end of the parking lot to the road. We were going to kind of keep in that same format. >> Okay. Again, this is just suggestions,

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things that may come up and for you to be aware of if you have good reasons like there's no sidewalk upstream or downstream to connect to. I'm just thinking if there's rental cars, people might drop off a car and if they live in the neighborhood or something that they want to walk I I whatever the case might

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be. Um are there any fences or gates proposed? >> No. Uh the uh building itself um is 120 ft long. So it it takes up quite a bit of the area between us and Justin Drive.

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Um the parking area uh where Enterprise is is going to have a pretty decent uh landscape. uh design. >> Um, you know, it's pretty adequate uh to kind of prevent people from crossing back and forth. I mean, maybe we put in some kind of a little access, but there

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the area where I'm at versus they're at is not a parking area. They're it's like kind of into their curve of where they come into the place. So, I don't know if they're going to be coming across, you know, from one side to the other via that area. So, >> again, I was thinking of security purposes. you're talking about

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equipment, rental cars, whatever, right along the state highway. But again, that's that's up to you to decide. But just be careful how that if it does work its way into the uh site layout. Gates would be particular concern because cars

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on and off the site. If it's gated, then that have has to work in with operations, making sure it's open during the day so nobody gets stuck on the state highway waiting for a gate to open or something like that. >> Right. Right. Uh, and again, I brought it up because you talked about security and rental cars typically, you know,

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>> yeah, >> that's something that you'd want to be careful of. Um, you would have to provide turning analysis for like the fire department to get on the site, get on and off the site. Now, I know >> we're Yeah, we're pulling in with tractor trailers on the back of the

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truck. So, it's Yeah, it's definitely >> Okay. >> Do they have to get a letter from the fire company for the new building? the fire company will review it and make sure again there's a wide aisle that was right before u but I just want to make sure that they can get on do what they

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have to do and get off the site >> and then the uh parking because we're on stone it's very difficult to delineate parking I believe up front the rental cars will be on pavement and you can strike that that that's fine but any spaces that you show say on the gravel

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It's hard to delineate. I know you're saying there's room for a vehicle to be put here, >> but how would you delineate? Parking could become disorganized if there's no stripes, if there's uh just

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gravel. So, >> this area that we're talking about for the overflow would just be used by the enterprise employees. >> Okay. >> Um it's not going to be where a customer is going to return the car. Basically, it's just a large area where they can if they have a let's say a holiday weekend and they get 20 vehicles, 10 vehicles,

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whatever returned, they have an area. >> So, your professional the professional drivers, the workers are going to be >> for enterprise will be parking there, not the customers, >> right? And the customers when the vehicles are rented will not have access to this area too. They're not going to get handed the key and say, "Hey, go over there and uh pick up the car." It's

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going to be from the uh distribution area at the, you know, where the enterprise office is. >> Okay. Those are my initial comments. >> Okay. Thank you. Um I was wondering since now it's sort of a free flow

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between the existing this lot and your other operation, do you have any anticipated um sort of pedestrian access between the two? No, there's uh so the good thing is is the functioning business at the north end of the

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property really kind of except for the tow trucks bringing vehicles in doesn't really need access for the public in this part. They don't ever go out there. Um they go into the main part of George's garage. >> I meant more for you. >> Oh, you know, for you or the employees

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to go back and forth. >> Oh, no, no, no. The uh the vehicles uh I would say 80% of the time are going to be stored out there. Uh like some of these vehicles don't get used for days at a time. Um I have vehicles that are like uh you know specialty for a certain

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aspect and they don't get used unless that one aspect is being called upon like uh you know uh maybe like a trailer to haul a machine or that sort of thing. So they might sit there for days before they're even touched. Uh some of the rotators, the big trucks, uh they go out

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a couple times a day, but for the most part, they don't, you know, maybe they'll go 10 hours in between or, you know, that sort of thing. So, a lot of this is not going to be um this this area is pretty, I don't want to say dormant, but it's pretty unused. It's

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not the the main part of the business, you know. >> Okay. Um then the other question I had, so the parking st spaces aren't going to be striped, I guess, is what you're saying. Okay. And then the um Enterprise came before this board a few

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years ago to have a car care uh place where they wash the cars and you know detailed them before they went out. Is that going to be able to happen inside the building here? >> So we we have in the and it's in the plan um the enterprise Oh, it's not

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there anymore. The enterprise bay >> uh is going to have an area that's going to have um and it's pretty standard amongst the other enterprises. Patrick's here from Enterprise, too. If you have questions about that, we have >> it's a uh a vacuum area. There's going to be, you know, and again, it's a

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simple wash uh area. It's going to have a drain uh and and then the proper uh you know, storage for the water. >> Um you know, but it's if you're talking washing, >> you know, one car and that's it. >> But they can do it inside. >> They're going to be able to do it inside. Yeah.

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>> Okay. And then the last thing I just I think this is going to be a zoning board application because current the enterprise is a permitted use but the your existing facility is not not >> um so I've done I've done some research

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on this too and uh >> what won't be I'm sorry Liz say that again. >> Yeah go ahead. >> I just lost my connection. Um, so what we understand is that it would be a D2 use variance because your previously

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existing non-conforming use. So it's you still have to go to the board of adjustment because you're expanding what you're doing on the property even though the enterprise is, you know, permitted, but you're expanding the use. So it's not as high of burden of proof uh as it would be for a D1. So but my

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understanding is you're going to the zoning board for that. Yes. It's not a cor. >> Yeah. Yes. And one of the proofs not that you care about this right now for a D2 is beautifification of the property,

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which you certainly are doing. So that that's fine. That's fine. >> So, do we have jurisdiction or is it >> No, it's it's certainly a zoning board, but it's not as high a standard of proof as if this was coming in for the first time.

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>> Okay. >> D1 you have to show that's particularly suited for the purpose and you have to, you know, show special purposes under the zoning ordinance and this has been existing for right, >> you know, 40 years. So, they don't have to go through that, but they have to go through the negative criteria. um and

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and show reasons for why, you know, this should be permitted as far as Liz just said, it's going to be positive part of it. It's going to be beautifification of the property and such, but yeah, goes to the zoning board >> and then do they come back to the planning board or >> No, they can go for both their site plan

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approval and uh D2 uh relief at the same time to the board of adjustment. Board of adjustment should retain jurisdiction over something like that because it was a use variance. So, I mean that's what they're applying for. So, yeah.

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Sorry. That's that's it. That's all my questions for right now. >> You don't do they have do they need any other variances? You may need other varants for other aspects of your project, but not as significant as a a use variance, but it's not, as Sharon said, the use variance that you would

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need is not as >> uh ownorous as as it would be if you're coming in fresh, >> you may need for outdoor storage, things like that. I'm not I'm not sure. But when you have a more aful application,

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but that that's less um intense of a variance. >> I'm going to try to wrap this up short. Any other questions from the board or comments from the board? >> Go ahead. >> Yeah. Hi. Thank you so much for doing

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all your due diligence and coming back with this project. Um I uh when you brought up the stone driveway, um it's been sort of gnawing at me. Stone is very loud. We have residents right next door. Is there and I can't imagine paving all of

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this and putting that hardship on this applicant. Is there a type of stone we could recommend that is less loud? >> What you can do is you can you can use stone either way. >> You can use stone that's graded. So it comes from it's some people call it 3/4

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down. So it's 3/4 inch and then it fills all in. it fills in those uh those void areas so it acts more like a a paved surface. So that would be less loud, but it could also produce additional runoff,

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right? And that's that was kind of the whole thing I was talking about. I don't want to I want to make sure that there's no impact on on on the properties behind and on on Bennett. uh because right now uh probably it all just runs into the tree line and uh isn't isn't really a

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problem. But there may be uh a change in the way the flows go uh to you know if if if a if stone is converted to pavement or the stone is uh made into something that's less noisy. So that's something we have to look at. So would

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would millings be considered that because millings is not like three quarter inch blend is what >> millings are very fine. >> Right. >> Right. And uh the only thing I don't like millings on on properties. I know you have a lot of millings on on the property because they have oils in them. >> Yeah. >> And the oils get into the ground

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eventually, you know. So I've always said that it's good to put millings underneath pavement but not on top. >> Right. We um we also too this area is uh again it's a it's not a uh as far as traffic and and and whatnot. It's it's

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very stagnant as far as the George's garage end. Um as as far as the enterprise end, the area that they're going to be used is going to be paved. So I don't think the noise impact would be um as as as bad there. and the building being where it's going to go uh

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is definitely going to back up to that other building I think is going to shield quite a bit of the noise from uh >> yeah that's >> you know the George's garage >> yeah and and if you can elaborate a little bit on that because I can hear the residents coming to us in the township sort of saying hey the noise

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the vacuuming the the tools or the compressors and this this building will protect from that noise right >> right absolutely and uh also too um I've uh I've had some when when they first put the building there on Justin Drive, we've we've got a couple calls about

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some noise complaints. Um we we actually were able to show that it wasn't us. Uh what I did was I I went outside at different areas of the the times of the day and and uh sat there with a tape recorder and you know to detailed the times. The long short of it was is um

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the highway traffic goes by echoes really bad on the end of Justin Drive. >> Yeah. >> And it's it's what the people think is, you know. >> Yeah. >> The noise. Um when the noise was happening, you could hear it clear as day in my video

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>> and I panned the video to my parking lot and it was empty. Nobody there. So, it's not, you know what I mean? It's not It wasn't us. Um I agree. The building definitely would uh allow the residents of Justin Drive to have some kind of a

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buffer between us and them and hopefully the highway because if it shields a lot of the noise, if in other words, if my building absorbs the sound before it gets to Justin Drive, then the residents actually be helped. >> Does this um does this satisfy any of

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that beautifification category that we were talking about? You know, sound attenuation? I mean, I I think it goes towards their proofs, but I think that overall they're upgrading a site, the facility. Yeah. Um, and I love seeing that you're going to be doing this um

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like the plantings because I know those residents have complained and so you'll be in, you know, in control of these plantings now and that's that's great. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Thank you. That's great. You've really been listening to sort of what's been put out there. >> If you all saw my h like I love I I like a a beautiful piece of property like you

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know the way I I like my lawn nice. I like my landscape nice. So, I don't object to any of that kind of stuff. I enjoy uh you know, a property that looks nice. >> And just for the record, Enterprise is not operating 247. It's they're uh

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>> No, they're uh their hours. >> The same hours are going to be okay. >> They're the same hours. >> Same hours. >> Same hours. It's great. And um just a heads up because our traffic um engineer brought it up. You know, Justin Drive had its share of car thefts, catalytic converter thefts. I think you need to be

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a little bit sort of cognizant about what enterprise chooses to do to keep itself secure. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um just some you know purpose of this board is to point out things so you're prepared when you when you go and

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submit. Um there are look at the exterior design standards. I don't know if block is allowed. I don't think it is in this district. I'm not sure. So that's an important thing for you to address. um the uh signage, you know, having

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detailed signage, what's on the building, you know, sitemounted signs. Um these are things we harp on on all applications. So, I'm just trying to give you kind of a heads up. Um the uh the dumpster area, you know, typically

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we don't allow the orders doesn't allow chain link fence around the dumpsters in the back storage area. So, that area, it's nice and hidden behind the building. Usually we require to be you know um have gates and be enclosed that you know I think >> yeah it does the concept drawing doesn't

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show it but that's that's kind of we're going to put it in a like a little in you know >> or even as you have shown you know if it doesn't make sense or doesn't work because of this specific site you just got to make that case but I think the most important one in my mind would be

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the back wall that faces you know the housing next door right >> in terms of landscaping that putting a making that solid uh >> wall the same as the building or something like that. >> Yeah. >> Um roof drainage, the outside compressors

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for the shops that will create noise. Uh the outside mechanical equipment, there's stuff in the design standards for screening mechanical equipment. Um so just kind of thinking all that out. I think it's a nice look nice location you put it in. you know, especially, you

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know, with the housing next door. I think it's a nice improvement for Enterprise to get to where they are and here. I think there's a lot of pluses of the project. Um, I'm not on the zoning board. My biggest disappointment is you're not doing anything to the street. I think we do we pay a lot of attention

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to pedest to regular vehicle traffic to truck traffic and right now it's all truck traffic and you're changing it or you with those two driveways there's they're kind of too close. they're not safe. How's the striping going to work in, out, trucks, cars? Usually, we try

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to divide all that. So, I think you really got to think about that. Also, other applications like the HVAC building at at the circle, you know, they were there's kind of a similar legacy building, you're actually changing a lot more and building a new building more than they

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did. Curving was required all the way around that site, you know, just >> and they put it in >> and they put it in. So, it's kind of equity. So, because you're going for a variance, you're you are we're uh you're open up to some of that stuff. >> When we went to the board the last time, >> you don't have to explain to me. I'm

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just pointing out things for you to think about. >> I just Yeah. No, and I appreciate that. And I'm just wanted to uh say something just so everybody hears the when when we went to the DRC the last time, uh this similar thing came up. The the issue is is that there's two uh adjoining

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properties that are completely separate. So the problem is is where the one property ends and the other one begins is where a driveway starts and you have an entrance driveway then a telephone pole and then an exit driveway. So, it's really um I the only thing I would say

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about this though, now that you're bringing enterprise onto the site, you know, you do need to show existing coverage, existing impervious, proposed impervious, how much disturbance there are because that all could kick you into other things that Dave needs to check, right?

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>> That isn't on the plans right now. >> Right. Right. >> Um >> you really are changing the use and that you're putting enterprise here. It's no longer part of your property. This really needs to stand as its own project because it could be sold to Enterprise or someone else like Enterprise. This is

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kind of I know there's some shared use, but it's a little more complicated than just being George's garage still, >> right? And the good thing is Enterprise does. >> So, those just things you have to address and think out. >> Thank you.

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>> All right. Um, I'm going to have to wrap this wrap you up. When would you think you'd be ready to come in? And >> um I I >> to the zoning board. >> I want to try to get on the agenda as

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soon as possible. We're uh we're we're we're aggressively trying to get this done. So uh you know, we're I have uh you know, everybody kind of ready to go. So, we were >> I think I think the big things are your, you know, the the impervious coverage

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and the potential need for some storm water management on that site. you're going to have to really address that. Um, and be creative in the way of thinking of how you're going to park vehicles in the stone area. Whether you put in some

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kind of uh larger bumper, you know, bumpers on the ground that looks like it designates a spot or something like that where you can where you can kind of have people kind of visualize this is a parking spot

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here and you know, without it being a formal parking spot. >> Or maybe Right. >> Right. The enterprise area. >> I I see what you're saying. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. So, you might have to pay attention to that.

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>> And so, maybe what you're suggesting is paving a connection between the enterprise parking and route 130. Maybe. >> Well, I was talking about the storage parking. Yes. I would love to see that. You know, this is this is the one chance

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to make this problem like very slowly. You know, each project fixes a lot of old mistakes here and this is the last chance that those entries because this really

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is at some point then once it's done going back. So this really is should be corrected now because it is terms. So it really is its own project on the site. It's no longer two just

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it own business own. >> Yeah. And Enterprise has been here in town a long time. >> Yes. So hopefully you'll still stay here in the town a long time. Um, okay. So >> there's a way to close down

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the street. >> Right. >> Right. Right. I appreciate. >> Yeah. I would get on their agenda when as soon as you think you're ready to get on their agenda. >> Okay. >> All right. >> I appreciate it.

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>> All right. >> Sounds good. >> Hopefully this was helpful to you. Uh it was very >> Okay. Good. >> Thank you. >> Thank you all for your time. >> We're going to have to give him 30. Have to give him We'll see what happened. >> Huh.

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Yeah. >> Well, by 6:30 we're we're shutting it down because we gota I got to sign 100 different plans and >> and then we're going to take a quick run over to the cranberry for a beer before the meeting. You know,

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>> I'm buying red is on or off? >> Okay. >> Um so, um these buildings have been here they're approximately 12,000 square feet of office been there I think built

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around 2000. Um so 26 years or so there's very little that we're doing that um relates to this board. We're going to put a I mean the buildings are there, the parking's there. We're going to remove the septic

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system. We're going to build a pump station. That's the only thing that's on Cranberry property. Then we are running our force main down um Main Street. We've worked through uh a lot of issues with the county. What do

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we have 16 revisions? We've uh we have 16 revisions to our plans to make the uh county happy and they're finally happy. So Tom Decker has reviewed the design of the pump station. Uh obviously we have to get a TWWA

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treatment works approval. Uh we have conditional county approval and we've satisfied 95% of the conditions. So we're almost uh through the county process and we'll

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have unconditional approval hopefully June, July. Um, so, um, we're here because the last time I was here, you told me I should have come to the DRC or

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TRC. So, I'm here so that we, um, don't have any issues, big issues when we come back, but uh, literally there's almost nothing for this board to review other than the pump station. So, the planning

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board will hear the pump station. Now, I have a question for you, Sharon. I live at 97 South Main Street, and this line will come across the front of my house

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or somewhere near my house, but it's >> No, I am not within I'm more than 200 feet away from the property. So I as far as the property goes or whatever they're going to do on the property, but the line's coming up the

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street and the only thing I want to make I want to just get this on the table. You're not allowed nobody on the street can hook into that line. Is that correct? >> It's a force mate. >> All right. So >> So it's and it's directional drill. Uh

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be four pits, >> I think. Four pits. uh to take it down the road and tie into the existing line and then we have to um I guess mill but we have to mill and repave the half width of the road which

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is a county road uh when we're done. So um there were a lot of issues with the county about how how it should be done in the uh right away. Not nothing is on private property. Dling County right away. And

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um again, in terms of your property, um you'll get a nice new half width when we're done. >> A what? >> The half width of the road is going to be repaid. So, um but no, no chance to hook into a sewer or nobody along the road will be able to hook into the sewer.

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>> Not into a force. No. >> Right. because it was my understanding from what I've heard is that you're going to be that was one of the issues I think with the town is that you have to you're responsible for the line if

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something goes wrong, not the town. >> So So if if the line craps out, you got to dig up the road. That's your nickel. >> We have to sign two agreements. a utility agreement, a three-party agreement between us, the county, and the township, and then a two-party

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agreement that Steve Tedell has dreamed up that that uh we have to sign with township and we we have the maintenance responsibility. So >> yeah, I was told that since I am and everybody else see everybody along that

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area is in the sewer service area, but there's no the sewer stops at the church across the street. >> Right. >> So that's where you're going to be tying into. Correct. >> Right. >> So yeah, I was told I could put my own line in over to there. >> But

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then I'm going to be maintaining it just like they're going to be maintaining it. So So, uh, so maybe a $50,000 improvement to my septic system is probably going to be the the thing in order. >> I don't know.

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Is this at the planning board level? >> It is planning. Yeah. >> Oh. Oh, yeah. But I don't I have no objection. >> I don't you know, it's not where your comments. >> I'm not I'm more than 200 feet away from the prop their property and the applicant. >> Yeah. I mean, that's why I kind of think

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it's okay. Well, that's why and again I wanted to confirm that I can't hook into the line. So then I have no vested interest. >> No. >> One way or another where he gets this. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, >> thank the only thing the only other

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thing we're doing with phase one, which is just the existing buildings and um Cameron just uh confirmed I thought we were going all the way down, but we're only putting sidewalks along the frontage of our wherever our lot and

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block number is. Our lot is 1302. It's about a 3 acre lot. So, we'll have some sidewalk that they want us to put in in the rightway. Yeah, but you're not there's no need to bring sidewalks up from their property

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into town, >> right? >> Is this a situation where we have a county road and the county's going to insist on something anyway or what? >> Yeah, but why would they why would they, >> you know, that's 3,000 ft of >> that'd be 3 that'd be 2,000 ft of sidewalk?

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>> They're not requesting it now when we come in for phase three. >> Plus, it' be right off the front of my house. that I might get kind of cranky about >> a sidewalk. >> Yeah. >> You feel that you have an issue, then I think you should recuse your

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>> Yeah. Well, if if they're talking about a sidewalk, then yes, I'm going to have to recuse myself. >> Yeah, that's fine. I mean, >> but I don't, Mr. Chairman, I I don't think there are any issues from your professionals, but uh if they

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>> Well, I I guess the the the main thing is you're going to have to go under Cranberry uh under the brook there. So, you're going to have to dig under the brook, I guess, directionally dig under the brook to get the line in. Correct. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, so and I'm sure that the

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D is uh you know if you I don't know if you've gotten your approvals to do that. >> We've gotten uh and I'm going to Mr. Decker. It's Tom, right? >> Tom Decker. >> Yeah. Tom Decker has reviewed all the sanitary sore issues, the pump station

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and the force main. Ron Sander at the county has looked at it from a design point of view. So, and yes, we got to get a TWWA permit. So, whatever their requirements are. >> Now, is there going to be any expansion on the site based on the improvements

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with this? >> Well, there'll be a phase two, but that >> Well, that's what that's what I'm asking. If are you going to expand onto the site with the new because of the new sewer line? Are you going to be able to expand? Yeah, the pump station is sized

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to permit uh expansion on the lot that remains undeveloped. Now, phase two will be, you tell me what the market is and I'll tell you what phase two will will be here.

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I mean, it all depends what they're going to do with Route One with the circle there, too, >> right? So by the time they figure out which way they're going with that, you you really can't do anything with that lot until they figure out what they're going to do.

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>> That's probably true. >> Probably. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, right now we're just interested in phase one. We're in the source area. We're on public water. Um we'd rather not have to replace a septic.

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uh even though this is a a substantial undertaking but long term it's better for the environment, better for us. I feel your pain about your septic system. Well, everybody up along the road is, you know, Yes. So close but so

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far. Yeah, we did get city water. Now, city water came through there and we did tie into >> American water came through and we tied in with that. Thank goodness. So, um but that's a whole separate matter. >> I have a question. >> Yes.

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>> The mayor left. Was there some issue with this project? >> I'm not sure what her >> She's within two. >> They own a property across the street. >> Oh, okay. >> So, that she's within 200 feet of of your property. >> Okay. Just curious. I'm going to turn it over

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to our professionals. >> I got I got two things. One one you've sort of answered already. I was going to ask you if u if the pump station has been upsized for future development on the property. So it's for whatever the maximum development might be

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>> under the current zoning. >> Under the current zoning. Okay. And then number two, did you look at the possibility of extending the gravity line even if it's a couple hundred feet instead of doing force main and possibly taking care of some of the residences and I don't know where you live but uh

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there could be a couple >> within 100 feet of the dams. >> Okay. Well then >> then I would have a conflict if you're going to do this. Well, just you know there I know the the the roadway the

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roadway slopes down towards the Kers. >> Yeah, I'm at the high point. My house is at the high point of the of the street. >> But I mean they they could revise the plans to include maybe 100 feet or 200 feet of gravity line at a very shallow slope and then connect into that with

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the force mate. It's always better to have gravity than force mates no matter who lives there or not. So, so we we were just talking about it. There's the county covert right in the way. So, we really can't can't cross that. >> How far is the covert from uh from the

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>> they're only the only >> some maps call it Indian Creek and it comes from the old uh well comes from Amazon area behind Amazon goes. >> Yeah. But that that's where the bridge is the new bridge is there. The new bridge is there. >> Yeah, that's way down. >> Well, we'd have to get through.

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>> You got to go underneath that anyway. >> They gota go under that. >> That's right. >> No matter what, you'll need a horseman. >> There's no there's no Yeah, there's no cover up by us. >> Well, then I might be referring to the bridge. >> I think he's referring to the bridge. Yeah. >> Well, I guess all I'm asking you is to

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just explore the idea of uh helping out the town and maybe extending your the sanitary sewer uh in by gravity for a couple hundred feet and then hooking your force man in there. Uh and I don't know where, like I said, I don't know

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where where the chairman lives, but uh it might help out a couple people there. I >> it's something we can look at. Go ahead. >> I think we already made and then we were told it wasn't an option that we should look at. >> I I've heard that. I I apologize. That

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was not the original design. >> I know that. >> But you're not Jeff. >> Yes. Um looking at the profile, >> you're probably only extended by about 200 feet anyway. >> That could be helpful. >> That's a couple h couple houses. They want to pay a portion of the cost

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of the uh line in the pump station. >> Uh they won't need the pump station. >> What? >> They won't need the pump station. >> Well, they need the line. >> They might need the uh um uh the uh the gravity line. >> Yeah, but >> but it's a it's a private matter. It's

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not a it's not a board matter. >> Yeah. The um additional cost I I think it's got to be passed on to somebody. But I don't think it's a private matter. or it's something that you have to figure out. >> Well, I'm just again I I don't want to seem self- serving here, but you you

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have to pencil it out and see what's cheaper and if it's cheaper to extend the the the main I'm just talking in general now. >> Mhm. >> And then if it's cheaper to do that and then you and then you don't have to

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maintain that. That's the town maintains that since it's their line. I I would almost assure that horse is cheaper. It's smaller pipe to actually drill. >> Directional drilling is more expensive than laying pipe. >> True. But it's I I think the trade-off for 200 feet of

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gravity line. >> I don't know. Just look just take a look at it. That's all I ask. >> That's fair. You know, >> because even within two or 300 feet maybe being you might be able to connect three or four properties. So, I think that's all part of the >> if they all have failing septic systems,

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that would be a great thing for the environment, right? >> You're coming dangerously close to extorting them. >> I'm not. >> And I didn't I didn't ask I didn't ask him to say this. Okay. So, >> I just >> Sharon, I didn't ask him to ask. >> I've done a lot of sewer design in my life.

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>> If you can do gravity, you do. >> We might have had this Sandy might know of discussions we had. We don't have >> How you doing, Sandy? >> So, just so you know, this goes back.

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>> Tom Whit was here. When Tom Whit was administrator the day after the day after, and I'm not exaggerating, the town bought the Greenacre site next to us, >> right? >> Got a call from Tom uh from somebody in

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the town. Maybe it was a mayor. I don't remember who it was. They said, "Come in because maybe now you can get sewer." Our we've been talking about this project >> I know for a long time 10 or 15 years. >> I know that >> our first thought was to go all the way

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down bring the pipe all the way back so everybody could go into it. And every time we did that we always got turned down the the tech the people on the street would want to pay the money who was going to pay for the cost of this. This is not something that I'm surprised

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at, though I am a little bit surprised at it now because we've explored this at least for 15 or 20 years. And if you remember Jeff Brown's first plan, remember it showed something going all the way down and it was decided by somebody in the town. We do not want

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that. We do not want that scenario. Which to me, forget about the cause because that was a separate thing. Seemed totally crazed. Why wouldn't you want it? But we were definitely told because that's a natural that we do not want to do that.

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>> Yeah. If if it's if it and I'm I don't want to say I was part of that decision because I was on the town I was on the township committee from 94 through 99 and 67 and 8. So, um, so this is circa this time when this was all floating

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around and I don't know if if it was that everybody who was along the street was mandatorily obligated to then hook up because I think this came up with Shadow Oaks too when when they were presented with getting a sewer line out

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at Shadow Oaks that they didn't want to they didn't want to pay for it and because then it would be mandator that they had to hook up if it's in front of their house. >> If there's a line there, D's going and then you have the service line from the

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house to the main. That's all their expense. >> Yeah. Well, that's, you know, that's that just goes to to without saying, but it's the paying for the the, you know, paying for the line and everything and it having a special assessment versus

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the towns will pay for the line and you can hook up to it for whatever your cost is. So, >> and I assume you have to uh pay a connection fee to uh the treatment facility.

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That would be connection fees for both, >> right? >> Well, this happens also have to pay connection fees to the town and to MCUA. >> If if it were Gravity that the >> It would still be the same though. It would still because it's based on

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>> No, the folks that that houses they've got the individual line, they've got a connection fee, they've got a portion of the cost of the main. >> Yeah. Well, so >> like I said, that the cost of the main is a private matter between you guys and whoever's receiving the benefit.

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>> Go ahead. >> But you're right. Um you've been living with this a long time and and um >> it's a legacy project. >> Does that mean >> I was using my own words against me?

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>> I got him to smile. >> Um I smile all the time, Frank. Uh I think I think >> go with your go with you know, go with your plan, investigate it a little bit. I wouldn't waste a lot of time investigating because it just

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seems like it's going to be it's not going to be it's not going to make any difference, I don't think. Um, you could look and see. Just push the pencil around and see. But, um, in any event, you're going to have to get your

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your permits to go under the under that brook, under that creek there. And good luck, Godspeed, with the D on that. I mean, I personally don't have any problem with you with you doing this because >> guess what? >> Um, I don't know if any of the other

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properties across the highway could tie into this. Have you have you thought about >> I'll be honest with you. So >> the only person Okay, it's funny that the mayor left because he happens to be a tenant in my building. >> So he's had we've had maybe very brief

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conversations of him. He's the only one that could hook into it basically and it would take some cost. We'd have to change certain parts of pumping station, but that's the only discussion I've had. >> Right. But about the the properties across the street like the 7-Eleven or

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any of those? >> No, no discussion. And no discussion. >> Yeah, cuz they're all kind of dead underwater over there. They got their own basically septic systems.

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>> So, all right. >> Well, thanks for your time. >> Well, I guess well before we >> any comments? Yeah. >> Go ahead, Bill. >> So, real quick, where's where's the generator >> letter? >> Where's the generator?

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>> Where's the generator? >> Oh, I didn't know that. >> Oh, okay. >> Is it with >> I'll get it from Gina. Could you send me the review letters again? >> Yeah, please.

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>> There's a note on one of the other plants. It's one of those guys. >> Okay. >> Oh, I know. So just comments for before you come to the board, you know, clearly designate where where the generator is uh having the sound decel levels for that, how that's going to affect houses

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across the street. Uh can, you know, can that be moved further away from >> is this a new generator? >> Yeah. Okay. >> Making sure it's not visible, you know, making sure that any of the controls for the pump station have, you know, show what the landscaping is kind of landscaping. And if you trip into a

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spill prevention plan because of how much fuel you're storing with it, then make sure you address that one way or another whether you need it or you don't. >> It's intended to be natural gas. Oh, >> okay. So then you don't need you don't need a spill prevention plan.

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There's a house plus maybe >> it comes with an enclosure but not take. >> Yeah. You know we this is what it comes up all the time with other properties. >> You know sound levels neighbors. Go ahead. It's tested how once a week or

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you know just what all that information is. Um and then you know ideally further away from the residential as possible obviously and then a landscaping schedule what the trees are the height the types that so that we're no one's going to see any of this from any of the

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roads because it's close to the road. >> Okay. >> Um just a comment and you're probably ahead of the rest of the group on this but be in contact with the DOT for the improvements at the circle the replacement of the circle. Uh again,

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they're going to be uh signalizing that intersection is what the plans are and what they're going to do with the land around there. Um be in contact with them so that you're aware because I know you brought up phase two and that's not part of this application, but keep that in mind as

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anything um goes forward. If you're planning for a phase two, keep that in mind that you know DOT has its plans too. >> Thank you. So, do they have to get all their permits from the DV before they can come

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back in here or they >> It's a outside agency approval. So, >> yeah, pending outside agency approval. >> That'll be a condition of our approval. >> Unless they want to get them, >> they'll probably be a stream encroachment permit, but it'll be a pretty easy one because they're not

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touching the stream. You know, they're going to go below. They'll make them go three, four feet below the stream. >> Used to allow permit by rule. I don't know if that's still the case. >> I don't know. >> Okay. So, do you think you could have I mean, you

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heard what we had to say. I think it's not too difficult to get this wrapped up. Unfortunately, you've canceled three times on us and I was ready to throw you out if you didn't come in the next time. Literally

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bio, but I'm gonna I'm going to we we we this is on a continuation here. >> So, >> this has nothing to do with that. >> Yeah. Well, the but they're going to come in for the application. >> Yeah. >> Well, I thought we were coming in in June and then something happened. >> Yes. Well, our affordable housing, you

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got bumped because you missed three meetings. So, >> so where are they right now? August or something. >> They're in August. >> Yeah. August 6th. >> Yeah. Don't miss that meeting. >> Oh, I wouldn't miss it for the world.

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>> All right. So, I think we're And if there's obviously if there's any questions, >> please work with our professionals or if you, you know, doodle with extending the line or whatever. I don't want to know about it because I'm going to then be conflicted if you do that. So, then you

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won't have my smiley face here to deal with. >> Okay. Um, but yeah, just talk to our professionals if there's any questions. So, >> Okay. >> All righty. >> Appreciate it. >> All right. Thank you. >> You have a heavy night tonight.

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>> Uh, it's a it's a lot of things to talk about.