All right, we're going to get started. Okay. Um, this zoning board meeting is being held on March 4th, 2026 at 7 p.m. Statement of adequate notice under the Sunshine Law. adequate notice in accordance with the open public meetings act was provided on January 5th, 2026 of
this meeting's date, time, and location. The agenda was mailed to the Cranberry Press and Home News Tribune, posted on the township bulletin board, mailed to those requesting personal notice, and filed with the municipal clerk. All right, roll call, please. Mr. Bono, >> here.
>> Miss Dharmafal, >> here. Miss Gitens, >> here. >> Mr. Cathari, >> here. Miss Parker is not here and Mr. Schwarz >> here. >> Miss Shu is not here yet. And Mr. Diamond >> here. >> Okay. Thank you. We have a quorum.
Chair. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh first we have a bit of uh business from left over from the reorg. We got to approve the official newspaper. >> Yes. So, technically we did a version of this um at the January meeting, but I've
just updated it to include that we're actually going to be um posting public legal notices on the township website instead. It's just kind of a state, I believe, law that's been passed starting March 1st.
>> Okay. So, we need a motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. >> I'll make a motion to approve. Okay, >> I can say >> thank you. >> Yeah. All right. Roll call for the revised newspaper
>> um resolution. Mr. Bonavalant, >> yes. >> Miss Dharmafal, >> yes. >> Miss Gens, >> yes. >> Mr. Cathari, >> yes. >> Mr. Schwarz, >> yes. >> And Mr. Diamond, >> yes. Okay, >> thank you. Motion passed.
And next we have to uh we have the minutes from January 7th. Any comments? Any motion is to approve? >> Motion to approve the minutes from the seventh. >> Second. >> Second. Okay.
>> All right. Roll call for the January 7th minutes. Mr. Bonavalanta. >> Yes. >> Miss Dharmafal. >> Yes. >> Miss. Gens. >> Yes. >> Mr. Schwarz. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Diamond. Yes. >> Thank you. Motion passed. >> Okay.
>> Now we have the uh 24 Height Stand Crary Station Road case. Um who's who's representing >> your supposed to be? Yeah.
Oh, that's right. Okay. Yeah. Wait. >> Didn't realize. It's not a good one ringing. >> She just went right to waste. Courtney's coming in. >> Do you know if you allow baby cows on
the property? >> Mini cows. Can you have >> You can have livestock. >> Yeah. But on like say on my property 100, right? >> Yeah. house a mini cow for a couple weeks. >> Really? >> Yeah. One of my friends.
>> Like a full grown cow that's small. >> It's a mini cow. Yeah. Never heard that. >> His barn's not ready and stuff, so he asked if I could just keep it for a week. >> Interesting. >> Just Yeah. I'll tell you, come over and see. His name's Roger. >> All right. I like cows.
>> They're delicious. >> Thank you. Thank you, sir. >> I think he's here. Here he is. straight couple of snow. I was like, >> I want to mention the 10 p.m. thing before we start. >> I want to mention the 10 p.m. thing
before we start. >> All right. >> Just one uh one item before we start. Uh we're not going to go beyond 10 p.m. tonight. If we need uh to schedule the next meeting, we can do that. All right.
It's um clothing manufacturer. Not enough, but they're up in I think they're also the right. Good evening. For the record, I'm Donna Jennings from the law firm of Wentz,
Goldman, and Spitzer. On behalf of the applicant, as the board is aware, the applicant is seeking preliminary and final major site plan approval, a D4 floor area ratio variance, several bulk variances, and design waiverss to construct a warehouse building on
property located at 2-4 Heightstown Cranberry Station Road, and identified as block nine, lot 1.01, and block 9.01, lots one and two on the township's tax map. The warehouse will comprise of
approximately 188,994 square feet of warehouse space, including approximately 38,748 ft of mezzanine area for auxiliary storage and approximately 3,169
square ft of office space. The property is located in the light impact industrial zone where the warehouse use is a permitted use. The applicant requires a D4 floor area ratio variance as the proposed ratio of 0.269
exceeds the maximum permitted of 0.20. Whereas the neighboring industrial light impact sewer zone permits an F of 0.30. Pursuant to the Randolph Town Center case, the positive criteria requires the applicant to show special reasons to
grant the variance by demonstrating the site will accommodate any problems related to the floor area. larger than the ordinance permits. As the record will show, the site does accommodate the proposed floor area because the development satisfies the parking and loading demand and provides safe
circulation patterns. With respect to the negative criteria, the record will show that the variance can be granted without causing substantial detriment to the public good and without substantially impairing the tent and purpose of the zone plan and zoning ordinance. The warehouse use is a permitted use in the zone despite the
limitation of the maximum floor area. The record will reflect that the applicant satisfies the negative criteria because the site will be able to operate safely without substantial impact to the surrounding properties. The proposed use will not generate impermissible traffic noise or other nuisances to the surrounding neighbors.
Also, the 2019 Cranberry Township Master Plan Re-examination Report adopted November 7, 2019 recommends increased development intensities and industrial zones to encourage both expansion and smaller warehouse office opportunities such as what the applicant
proposes here. In addition, the proposed warehouse is significantly smaller than numerous existing warehouse developments in Cranberry, which range in size from approximately 300,000 square feet up to 2.9 million square feet. In contrast, the proposed facility is much more
modest in scale and includes an integrated office space, further distinguishing it from much larger warehouses in the township. regarding the requested bulk variances and design waiverss. The applicant will rely on its consultants to walk you through uh those and to provide testimony and support of
requesting uh each of those. So with that, I do have a total of uh four direct witnesses. Andrew Grover who is sitting to the right of me who is this site engineer, Ed O'Neal who is our architect, Gary Dean a traffic engineer, and Robert Hudac our planner. We do also
have our license site remediation uh specialist with us today, Basil Elmer's, who will testify if any specific questions come up that the other witnesses are not uh able to address. And then just as a matter of recordkeeping, I wanted to acknowledge that the applicant is in receipt of the following review letters. We have the
board engineer review letter dated February 26, 2026. The board planners review letter dated February 26, 2026. uh fire company review letter dated February 26, 2026, traffic engineer
review letter dated March 2nd, 2026, and the Shade Tree Commission um really was kind of like an email dated March 3rd, 2026. So, with that, I'd like to have our first witness brought up and sworn in, and we can begin our presentation. >> Mr. Chairman, I also record
Great. Thank you, >> Mr. >> Yes. >> I do. >> Thank you very much. Your last name for the record. >> It's Andrew Pover. G R O V E R. >> Thank you. >> And if you're good, for the benefit of the board, please give your background
and qualifications. >> Uh I'm a professional engineer staying in New Jersey since uh 2007. I have a BS in civil engineering from M college and a masters at Stevens. I testified in several uh boards uh throughout the the
state including the plan of work uh in this uh township and uh >> your license is valid today. >> License is valid and uh and good standards. >> The board accept his qualifications. >> Yes. >> Okay. Then if you could um Mr. Grover,
why don't we start with describing the site and the area around the site and if you're going to rely on any exhibits, can you identify them for the record? >> Yes. >> Um, we have exhibits. Uh, we noted it as A1. >> Think you can probably use the
microphone that's right there. You can h hold the microphone if you want if it's easier. >> Testing. >> Hello. >> Yep. Sorry about that. Uh yes, the the uh the exhibit that we have here noted as uh A1 is the existing
conditions uh which representing the uh the aerial of the existing conditions on the the property uh dated uh March 3rd uh 20 uh 2026 >> and that's the same uh as the reduced size exhibit you passed out to the board members before the meeting started.
>> That is correct. Yes. Okay. So you can follow along in your handout. Uh basically as the uh our attorney has specified that the property is uh two 24 uh uh Heightstown Cranberry Station Road known as block uh 9 lot 1.01
which is the larger lot um and block 9.01 lots two uh one and two all are located in the uh the industrial light impact uh zone. Uh the larger property
uh lot 9.01 is 16 uh.1 acres and the smaller uh properties lot one which is located here is um currently
uh one basically an acre. Uh but we're also propo we're going to be proposing uh a rightaway dedication. So after the rightway dedication uh it'll be reduced to about 0.55 acres uh lot two uh which
is located at the intersection of uh North Station Road and Cranberry Station Road uh will also be is currently um 1.4 uh one 1.14 acres and will be reduced to uh 7.79
acres after the rightway dedication. Um the surrounding properties to the north uh is North Station Road and uh continuing uh warehouse use. Uh there's also to the to the south is wetlands
on the property and wooded which we will not be disturbing. Uh to to the um uh east is Cranberry Station Road uh with a with a railroad track and uh Monroe Township with uh some residential
properties and to the uh west is the uh the turnpike. Existing conditions, uh as many of you probably already aware, it was a former uh fertilizer manufacturing and architectural operations. Uh most of those existing structures will be
removed. The only thing to remain at this point uh will be the uh the turnpike billboard which is located uh just clo very close to the uh the western property line to the uh to the turnpike. We'll also be keeping there's
a cell cell tower on the property um which will also remain. And um on lot two, we've had uh conversations with the historical society. There's um a train the train depot, existing train depot
that we're going to be uh keeping there and and helping to re revitalize it. Uh also on the property um there are two man-made ponds which back in the uh fertilizing operations was used for for
cleaning the the fertilizer and and and uh operations. Uh we do have the LSRP available if you want to talk about uh more about the environmental cleanup that's necessary for that. Um he's he's available for to to talk about that. Um
but uh what we're looking to do uh the applicant is looking to uh I guess I'll just I'll choose the here's the uh the next exhibit. This
>> A2 >> A2 just describe it for the record. A2 is entitled proposed conditions uh dated March 3rd uh 2026. It's a rendering of the um site plan
that you have in your sets uh just made to look nice with pretty colors and everything. So basically what we're here is we're what's on the property. We're we're we're um showing that uh the warehouse is uh we're asking for a a uh
a dev variance due to maximum floor error ratio which our planner will will will dive into. Uh but the building uh before you uh has a gross floor area of 188,9 uh 94 uh square feet. 38,748
uh of that is a mezzanine storage area and 3,169 square feet of office space. Uh not only the warehouse but associated parking, loading areas, storm water management, uh landscaping and utilities. Um the
operations for the property is basically going to function as an auxiliary storage uh for the company's uh existing operations. Uh the company has a a large primary distribution activities uh in their main facility in Dayton. So this
will just be a continuation of auxiliary storage. Uh they anticipate that the hours of operation will be from 6:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Monday through Friday and the facilities expected to employ about 40 people. um
parking uh based on the parking requirements for the township. Uh warehouse is one space per 5,000 square ft and office space one space per 250 ft. Uh with that we are
required to provide 51 spaces. We are providing 59. So we exceed the limit. We're also providing three ADA uh spaces and two uh EV spaces all located uh on
the uh the southern uh access. We have two accesses. Should talk about that. Northern access is for truck circulation. We have loading and and um truck parking. And then the uh southern
access is for employee parking and for access to the office facilities. Uh so we separated the two. We have 17 loading areas within an enclosed portion of the building and we
have 20 uh trailer uh spaces. uh applicant is uh will have a private hauler to remove remove uh trash and recyclables and uh private contractor will handle snow removal and storage on
site. Um landscaping we are providing 144 evergreen trees, 157 158 shade trees, 507 shrubs, 112 12 ornamental grasses. Uh we'll be uh
screening along the uh roadways along the storm water basins and a special seed mix will will be around the uh proposed basin uh to discourage uh geese and all the landscaping will be uh
irrigated. Lighting we will it is designed to comply with the township lighting standards for proposed lighting. We have eight LED 25 ft pole uh mounted lights throughout the uh parking areas and um
trailer parking area. In addition, we have um 29 wall mounted lights and all designed to minimize off-site glare. There was a um comment brought by the uh
engineers review letter uh about the intersection of station road of cranberry heights down cranberry station road and north station road whether or not there was existing lighting. There is in fact at the northwest corner there's a cobra light there. So um it's
it's enough to meet the safety standards. Um signage we're provo we're proposing two wall-mounted signs and one freestanding sign. Uh first wall mountain sign will be uh
87,000 8 sorry 87 500 87.5 square feet uh which is 3 and 1/2 ft high and I want another wall mounted height uh of 12.3 square ft 2 ft high and a freestanding sign located at the first intersection
uh access point uh which is 60 uh square feet 6 feet high and is uh it's about 16.5 5 ft from the property line. The freestanding sign will be externally eliminated and will be designed to comply with township lighting standards.
Storm water management uh storm water uh design is in coordinates with the New Jersey storm water management rules and township regulations. We have three bio uh retention basins for water quality.
They're located one here by the that catches the uh employee parking and we have two separate ones here along the back of the uh tractor trailer which will catch that um uh runoff and the
those areas to treat for water quality. We also have a um 500 linear foot uh infiltration pipe along the front. It's underground which collects primarily all the um roof
runoff which is clean water that can be directly infiltrated and then everything ultimately during large storm events for the two the 10 and 100year. uh everything um gets
conveyed to the wet pond on site which will control the water quality uh conditions and then we'll release the um the storm water to uh flows that are less than existing conditions. The point of discharge is actually located in the
central portion of the property to the turnpike. There's a there's an existing swale there along the turnpike that all the flow goes there now and will go after with a reduction. We also took into consideration uh since we're in the Delaware and Raritton Canal Commission
uh they have certain requirements above and beyond standard uh New Jersey DP requirements. Uh we meet those for nonstructural strategy points and low impact statements, low impact uh requirements.
Uh want to just talk briefly because uh you may have noted in some of the um view review letters if I refer back to uh A1 on the property. There's two man-made ponds
uh centrally located. Uh there's a concern there that there is a repairarian associated with that per the township ordinance. uh we feel that um due to the environmental cleanup we meet one of the exceptions that uh we don't
need that variance but we're still asking for it and we'll get into greater detail later about that but um just wanted to bring that to your attention because we did prior to this meeting have several meetings with the development review committee back in September of uh 2022 about that as well
as the environmental commission and back in December of 2022. Uh it was noted when we had our meeting with the environmental commission to see if we can talk to uh DP to get the those uh ponds uh switched to artificial
lakes, artificial pond and their GIS database which we did uh which was recommended by at the time the um the head of the uh environmental commission. So we have done that plus we also feel that with the NJ D remediation
uh we feel that we we meet one of the exceptions and uh if you feel like we need to go further and talk about that we have our LSRP here to talk about the cleanup work and what's needed to be done with that. Uh for utilities of the
property, uh we are um proposing water. We'll be there's an existing 12-in line on Cranberry Station Road, uh Heights on Cranberry Station Road, apologize, which will be tying in. We're complying with New Jersey American water requirements.
Uh sanitary uh right now we're proposing a uh a pump. Let me uh go back to A2. sanitary will flow out into and we'll we're proposing to jack and pour underneath the uh the turnpike and we'll
meet and we'll tie in a force made into the existing gravity um conveyance system that's on station road. There's also, as we've been dealing with the the turnpike, there is another possible option, the property to
the north. There is already an existing line that goes already goes underneath the turnpike that we're investigating further to help save on costs and uh time. Um,
so and gas, let me go. Uh gas will be uh is available on uh North Station Road which we'll be tying to and electric is also available on Heightstown Cranberry Station Road. Some of the variances that we'll be
talking about and our our planner will go into detail. Uh obviously the Dvariance for the uh floor area ratio for the the zone that we're in permitted uh floor ratio is 02 and we're proposing
269. Uh bulk variances where is the loading zones um for in in a front yard. This uh property is kind of unique because we have three fronts. We front on on uh Heights on Cranberry
Road, Station Road. We front on North Station Road and then we also front on the turnpike. So technically, even though the um the loading is in the rear of the building, it's technically fronting the turnpike. So therefore, we're asking for that waiver for that
variance. In addition, we're we we're asking for that repairarian uh w uh buffer repairarian buffer variance that I talked about briefly. Uh we also have uh the loading um
loc the loading uh areas. We're proposing a width of 13 and a half which works for our um the applicants other um building. So we feel that's acceptable but uh 15 is required. So, we're asking
for a variance on that. Uh, pedestrian walkways to be constructed with pvious pavement. We're asking for a waiver on that. We we meet all the storm water requirements. It's not really necessary uh for that. And uh so we're asking for a waiver on that. Uh variance on that,
I'm sorry. Design waiverss that we're seeking. Uh lighting fixture foundation height. We have uh foundations that are 36 uh inches. So, we're we're asking for a waiver on that. Um landscaping
uh evergreen percentages requirement, we're seeking a waiver on that, which is uh section uh 15057D1A. And then we're also seeking for storm water pipe sizing up in situations that
are large that are less than 30 inches. Uh we're asking for a waiver on that. >> And there were a few variances that were called out in the planners review letter specifically related to the what I call the train depot lot. >> Correct. >> You could just touch on the four of
those and um just explain I guess that a lot of that's due to the widening of Heightstown Cranberry Station Road. >> Yep. One of the require one of what what we're looking to do is right now the the uh the existing rightway is is is pretty
small. We're we're looking to expand that to 60 uh feet which is a township requirement. By doing that we actually will bring the um the uh propert.
So therefore we have to ask for um variance on that. So, we're asking for a minimum lot area um where uh 3 acres is is required and then after the um the rightway dedication that's going to be
reduced to 7, I believe, >> but it'll be consolidated with the other lot. >> Yeah, it'll be consolidated with the other lot, but still will be under the three acres for a total I guess of 1.348 acres.
Uh minimum lot frontage is required is 200 ft. Station road we have 65 ft. And then minimum front yard um of 75 ft. We we're uh showing 37.5.
And then minimum rear yard is should be 50. And then we're we're less than 50. We're almost right on the line to be honest as it it's right up against the uh the railroad tracks. And that's an existing condition. >> That's an existing condition. Yes.
>> And the train depot, it was stated earlier, it's going to be refurbished at the request of the town and we're going to dedicate that property and to the township or the historic society. It's not really needed for the function of the warehouse. Correct. >> That's correct. Yes.
>> Okay. >> Now, you had an opportunity to review the consultants review letters. >> Yes. Do you want to go through uh any comments that you don't agree with or if you can indicate whether or not you agree with their comments?
>> Look at the engineers review first >> for the board engineer. Yeah. I don't know if we want to go item by item, but uh majority of them we will comply with. We don't have issues with. >> Right. If you could just talk about the ones that you want to explain or tell the board that you're you can't agree with. >> Okay.
We're proposing a wa uh I guess on page six item number nine section uh refers to providing sidewalk along um uh heights down cranberry station road. Uh
we feel that it's pretty rural out there and a sidewalk's not really necessary. Um, so we would ask for a waiver on that or >> keep your voice up if you could. >> We would ask for a waiver on that. >> Think we need a w I think we need a
waiver for on page seven from section 1548 C9, the lighting concrete foundation bases. Yes, I I talked about that earlier, but yes, we will require a waiver on that. In addition, uh
uh item 14 as far as the uh water, we'll work with New Jersey American Water. Whether or not it's an underground vault or hot box, uh whatever they require, we'll we'll work with them on that. Um in addition number 16 on page eight
referring to the sanitary sewer. We'll provide those uh as we as design moves forward with Yes. >> I'm looking at the uh the uh board's engineers letter uh Dave Porter's letter.
>> Yeah. February 26, 2026. >> We're on page eight now. So, we'll work with the the uh board engineer to uh depending on which way we go whether or not we have to jack and bore under the turnpike or that there's a possibility that we could connect to
the existing uh gravity line that we just uh received information from the turnpike authority on their asbuilts. I guess uh item number B on page nine referring to testimony should be provided why existing landscaping is not
incorporated into the site. Uh I guess if we refer to uh A2, majority of the existing wooded area to the south is not being disturbed. It's in the wetland. So that's going to be maintained. Uh other
existing uh vegetation is actually not up um a lot that we don't own. It's not a part of the application. Um so that's where that we uh we're at for that. Um
uh page 10 uh the first comment number H referring to any stream within the floodway. Uh we need to be 200 feet away. We provide we submitted to D for a uh a flood hazard
determination and it was confirmed that there's no floodways or flood hazard or any other permit any other areas on the property. Um just wanted to bring that to attention. I think we submitted that uh document
to the board. Most of these are uh on page 11 uh item U referring to um testimony shall be provided uh for the the 20 75% plant Yeah, we're asking for a waiver on that.
Storm water is pretty selfish. The only storm water uh comment that we we had which I had mentioned was a waiver for on page 14 requiring that the applicant use um upsizing piping on one size up for pipes that are less than 30
in. We're asking for a waiver on that. Uh the pipes have capacity. So um we feel that it's uh acceptable as as as uh designed all the environmental items we can
address in our EIS. Um so that's not an issue discussion. I believe that's it unless Mr. Hoarder uh has a Hodder has a concern that we can talk about.
>> I'm going to probably go through items. >> Uh the engineer did not >> do something. >> I will. My name is David Oder. I'm the engineer for the board. >> Introduce yourself. >> Yes. Hi everybody. So, I did do this letter on February 26th, and I'm just
going to go through some of the high points that I uh think are pertinent. Um, and the first one is the the repairarian zones uh that the site engineer talked about. Uh this um township has a particular
ordinance that's uh much more um stringent than uh the D. Uh and and that uh ordinance uh requires that there be a buffer adjacent to any uh water body
that is shown on the uh DP uh GIS as a blue line. And in in fact, these two ponds are on that G GIS. Uh whether they're man-made or not, and I'm sure they're man-made, uh because they were used in the facility of making fertilizer.
Uh but um a 150 foot buffer is required under our ordinance, but there are um three possible exemption alternatives that are in the ordinance. And the only one that really would be aable here would be the fact that they have to
clean these ponds up. They're full of fertilizer and/or chemicals. And um the way our ordinance words it um disturbance with no feasible alternative for the remediation of hazardous
substances. And it actually cites two particular acts. one in New Jersey NJSA50 colon 10-2311A uh which is the comprehensive environmental response um comp compensation and liability act
of 1980 and then another one which is federal um and um that's I know I don't know a lot about it USC uh 9601 um so I believe that this applicant has
to prove that they are cleaning up this two sets of ponds under one of these two acts to allow them to gr you guys to grant that waiver. If not, they have to ask for the waiver from the ordinance. Um
and um to to to date um and you know I work for both boards. The planning board has not given that waiver. I think this is the first time uh this board has been faced with this dilemma. So I believe we need a lot of testimony on that to make sure that we
understand the situation and and uh you know what can be done in terms of uh cleanup and whether it falls under this particular waiver item. Um, I don't have a problem with the applicant uh asking for a waiver of the
crosswalks uh not being pvious. It's it's it's just sort of an unusual thing in our ordinance. Uh, but they're providing recharge in other ways. So, it's actually very they've taken care of the problem. Uh, I don't really have a problem with
the 13 and a half versus 15 on the loading areas. Andrew might want to talk more about that. Uh, we're just going to go through a couple more. Um, I don't think sidewalks really should be
uh provided on both sides of the street. Uh, it's not a residential street per se. There's residents in the area across Conway, but uh in this area it's more industrial. Um, so the sidewalks would really serve no purpose, at least on the
side that the uh proposed warehouse will be on, but the board can do whatever they feel is right. And maybe we'll have some input from the public. Also, um, the three foot um, the three-foot candle
requirement on Cranberry Heisttown, Cranberry Station Road for the entrances. Um, I would like to see if you can provide the applicant can provide uh the foot cano contour data for the uh the the lamps that are on the
road, the the street lights because otherwise I don't really know whether or not it's brought up to the level that's required in the ordinance. the worst thing it could have is a entrance and exit off a property with industrial uh trucking uh that has um low levels of
light and is unsafe. So, I'd like to see that provided. Um don't have a problem with the concrete foundations being uh lower than the 36 in or I mean at 36 inches and not lower.
Um because this is an industrial site and I know trucks back up. I personally in my car truck hit light poles. Luckily they were concrete and didn't get didn't get ruined. Um in terms of sanitary sewer, um the
applicant says they're going to do a pump station and I have a number of comments on that. They didn't actually show the pump station, how it was going to be built and what it's going to be. We have a we had a similar project that had a similar situation where they ran a a force man in a pump station uh and and
they actually provided almost you know like an 80% design and the rest of it goes through the building department after that uh because it's a it's a plumbing detail. Uh but I'd like to see that. I'd like to see where the final uh force mains going because I know the
county um does not like have like like to have force mains private force mains in public county roads. So, that's going to be something they're going to have to get an approval on or go to, they were talking about possibility of going to a a pipe on the side of the road in
private property. And if that's the case, then there'll have to be easements provided that uh you know that show us that everything is the way it should be. Uh let's see. Uh in terms of roof mounted equipment,
they haven't really shown anything. uh we require under 155s 150 155 U screening of mechanical equipment and usually what happens is uh an exhibit is provided showing where the units are on the roof and then what it looks like to
look up from the road and see whether or not they're screened or not if they're they're either you know screened by a parapit or screen by the roof itself they're they're so far in or they're screened in some other fashion. So that's something that we need to see.
U >> that one will be handled by the architect. >> Okay. Thank you. >> There were some other items that have to do with landscaping and lighting that uh I think they're just going to provide so I'm not going to talk about them here. Um
uh the the requirement on the 75% of the plants being evergreen under 15057D which is which is landscaping. They're asking for a waiver. Um, I would just like to see a little bit more testimony on the types of plantings they're going
to use and why they believe that um the deciduous uh trees will provide the same type of buffer that an ever evergreen tree will provide or for that matter if if the evergreen trees that they do have on the plan provide the buffer that's needed uh
for you know mostly I'm worried about buffer long uh creme Cranberry Heightstown Crary Station Road because there are resident there is residential far across the street on the other side of Conrail. Um and then just some buffer
uh along uh the turnpike and some along um the road on uh on the north side. Um they have provided some but I think some additional testimony on landscaping should really be provided.
Next item is storm water. I generally had a uh u I was going to say I generally had a good time reading their their report. I think they did a good job in terms of the storm water. They did uh what both our new uh stormwater ordinance and the
DP require. I also like the idea of the 500 foot long recharge pipe that's going to be put in the front of the building. That uh uh is something that a lot of the large um warehouses have done in the past. if the soils were good. And in this case, they can. And what that does
is it recharges a lot of water into the ground. That water is the clean water, not not the water from the parking lot, but the water from the uh from the roof, which is a good thing. They have met their uh requirements for 5075 and 80% reductions.
Uh so that is also a positive thing under our ordinance. Uh I've asked for a small thing asking for the uh calculation on of the flows through the trash rack so it's not too the flows aren't too high. They did provide calculations on the flare sections at
the at the exit. Um uh but I probably will ask for and it's not in my letter some type of uh proof that the downstream channel on the turnpike has adequate capacity because in reality the
plans don't show it. The plans sort of the contours sort of die off uh until they get you know then they get on to the turnpike area there's no contours. So, I really don't know where it's going, and I want to make sure that we're not going to flood out that side
lane of the uh of the uh the turnpike. Our ordinance under 15161K has this unusual requirement that any pipe uh less than 30 in has to be upsized. They're using 15inch pipe and and 18inch
pipe etc. Uh and under our requirement it would have to be upsized one size 15 to 18 18 to 20 21 to 24. U it's not really needed. It's up to the board if you want to grant it. I don't have a problem with it if you do because
they've done their calculations, their pipe flow calculations, and the pipes are adequate in size to allow for uh the flow that's needed under our under our uh um our stormwater ordinance. I would like to hear some testimony on
the on the ponds as I talked before and uh what the uh contamination is in those ponds which will back up or not back up the uh ordinance requirements in regard to whether the ponds can be removed or not. Um,
one slight mistake in my letter. 1584 community impact statement for a project of this size. It's not required. So, we're going to just remove that section, that item number 22. And yes, the engineer pointed that out to me. I also asked for um more information on
the uh train station depot, what's going to happen with that building. Um and um maybe the architect can provide some some insight. Um and uh I think the last thing is um I'd also ask for all the
utilities to be shown on the plans. I think Mr. Grover said he's going to do that. >> Correct. Yes. >> So that's pretty much everything that in my letter that I was concerned with as I understand it. uh the applicant's going to provide anything else, but the u the
the big um gorilla in the room really is is the two ponds and the testimony to be provided about those. Um I thought I saw a phase one in my packet, but I didn't I don't have it with me tonight. I'm not sure if the applicant provided one or
has has had one done that would also uh between that and the LSRP who may provide some testimony later. Um, I think it'll proine provide information enough for the board to make a decision. So, Mr. Chairman, that's it for now. I'm sure I'll have something later. >> Sure.
>> That I don't know. >> I Joe, I don't know. There's no information that I know. >> Well, I didn't see a parking deck. I didn't see a parking area for them to park there. >> Ask the you know. >> Okay. I just didn't know if they talked to you.
>> If they're if they're going to provide u that to the It sounds like they're going to donate it to the township. >> Yeah. And if you get the historic tour there, that's doesn't look like there's anybody to park or sidewalks. >> I think we were given the land and refurbishing the train depot and whatever else is needs to get done. The
township's just going to do it. We weren't bu we weren't redeveloping that piece of property. Yeah, we we don't need it. It doesn't help us with the warehouse, >> right? >> So that's why we're widening the road, dedicating that area. And then we were
approached, well, don't take down the train depot. We'd like that preserved. So we said, we'll refurbish it and dedicate the land and the that to you and whatever the town does with it. >> Okay. So what does refurbishing mean? >> That's the question. Like in other words, what are are you gonna are you gonna are you going to redo some of the
siding? You gonna fix anything that's broken? Are you going to uh >> level it if it needs to be leveled? >> No, we'll we'll have to ask a different witness because I I I don't testify and I don't know that answer and and he doesn't know the answer. >> So that's why I was wondering how to
see, >> right? We're not going to be owning it after we're done with it. So I I don't know what's going to happen in the future. >> Yeah. One thing that was uh brought to my attention uh the state has u added that
property that lot uh with that contains the depot to the Camden and Amboy Railroad mainline historic district. Are are you aware of that? >> I know they wanted to put it in the historic that's why we were preserving the train station. it uh they issued a certificate of
eligibility uh a few weeks ago. Um wondering how that if if it affects anything and if so how >> I don't know I don't have an historic person here. >> Okay.
But it sounds like what you're going to do is you're going to you're going to contact the mayor and council and uh request that you can donate that property. Is it both properties? Both lots or just one to the to the township? >> Yeah. Why don't Well, we could Why don't we defer all the questions about the
train depot to a different witness who can answer those questions? >> Okay. >> Yeah. question. >> Do you have any questions? >> You want me to touch upon? >> Okay. >> I do.
>> Introduce yourself to the audience. >> Uh Andrew Feranda. I'm a traffic consultant for Cranberry Township. I do have uh some questions and comments that pertain to I guess the engineering testimony. I know there's a traffic engineer here who will be also testifying. So if I ask a question that
is going to be testified to later, you could just defer it. But for now, uh some of these comments um on in my letter page two number three and four uh I have comments about the right of way dedication and the roadway widening. Um,
can you give us a little description of what's going to be done? Uh, I know the roads going to be widened. Is there an alignment going on? Um, what buildings are being removed? I know it's a tight area right there between existing buildings and the alignment as it is. Correct. If you can go through that a
little bit. >> Sure. Um, we're going to maintain the uh the existing uh side of this property because this is the property we need more and we're going to be offsetting the 60 feet from from that. um property line. So the right the new proposed
rideway would be 60 ft from the existing uh frontage on the uh lot um 9.01. >> And are you removing some of the structures on either of those? >> Yeah, due due to that those these structures all the other structures uh
minus the uh the deep the train depot will be uh demoed. They will need to be And then once you dedicate the right way on the east side of the road, the roadway will be widened. Right now it's a very narrow road, no shoulders.
>> Correct. Yeah, we're uh we're proposing 24 ft with uh 5 foot shoulders on both sides um to provide a total width of 34 uh with with shoulders. Um, and I know there's discussion in your letter that
the um you're looking for for 33 foot wide uh uh roadway. So, right now we're showing 24, which we feel is acceptable uh as far as tying back into to the existing uh Heights
down cranberry uh station road to the the south of us. Okay. Uh number five in my letter, uh the north driveway, uh how is that appropriate for trucks and the way it's set up on site?
Uh you have two driveways. What makes the north driveway suitable for truck access? uh we feel that it's uh accessible because uh the the radius uh for that access is are uh 50 ft uh which is
acceptable for for large truck maneuvers uh plus the fact that it's close to the county road um so it'll help to limit the amount of uh truck traffic on the uh local road >> and I think would it be fair to say that we also have a very long driveway on
that side where on the other side it's longer so you could have a much greater queue viewing on the site if you had to. >> That's correct. Yes. Yeah. >> And the radi at the intersection are appropriate for truck traffic. Obviously, there's warehouses south of you, but just
>> Yes, that's >> confirm that. >> Yes, it is. Yep. We could provide uh further uh turning templates as needed. >> Um if I skip over some of these like site distance lines, I know you'll add them to the plans. >> Yeah, we I don't Yeah, we we don't have a problem with adding them. And uh I'll
also provide the the fire truck uh template that you wanted. That's not an issue. >> Um I had recommended, now this isn't a requirement, but I had recommended that a 14t deceleration lane be provided for the truck uh entrance. And my thought
was to get the trucks off the road so that they're not slowing down within the cartway. Uh I you are providing a five foot shoulder, but that's not wide enough necessarily for a truck. Can you describe um how that will occur uh as a truck comes down from station road and
then enters the site? >> Uh I mean well the the truck will turn in and uh it's relatively uh uh it's about maybe 200 feet before it has to turn in. So, I I I don't
see the need for a del because it's such a um it's already kind of slow as it's turning into the uh from the intersection, but our traffic consultant can provide greater detail to confirm that. >> Okay. And I agree with you that it's a
truck's not coming 40 miles an hour around that curve. So, I understand it's going to be slower anyway. My concern was that the truck not be doing the maneuver on the roadway, but you are providing large radi. So that also makes the uh movement a little bit more
efficient. Um I have a note in my number 13 uh that you have uh phasing of the road improvements because that roadway is very critical to warehouses to the south and I know if there's road improvements there I want to make sure that the
traffic uh using the warehouses to the south won't be obstructed during traffic. So is there going to be phasing? Is the road going to remain in place and road widening to the west leaving two lanes open? I think it would be very difficult if you close one lane and traffic starts backing up.
>> Correct. Yeah, I think we'll we'll have to develop a plan and uh work with your your office to make sure that that's acceptable. I don't have an issue with that. >> Okay. Uh you've given testimony on delivery trucks. They're WB62. Uh you
you have the turning radius on the plans, >> correct? Yes. >> Okay. Fire truck, you're going to go through that. Uh sidewalk. The engineer had mentioned about sidewalk and it's required on both sides and it's a rural area. My inclination is to at least
provide it on one side of the road. And here's my uh reasoning. At the intersection, Station Road and Heightstown Granberry Station Road, there's pedestrian provisions. There's sidewalk along station road. If you go to the east, I know not necessarily heading west towards Cranberry, uh there
isn't sidewalk across the railroads. You won't see it on the plan there, but there is sidewalk along station road >> to the west. And pedestrian connectivity is very important, especially along a road where you wouldn't want pedestrians walking.
Even though you're providing a 5-ft shoulder, bicycles, pedestrians, I'd rather not have them on the road where trucks are going to Amazon and Wayfair and using this site. So, I'd prefer it to be on the side where you're developing the warehouse side,
although I understand that, you know, if the uh depot starts being used that there might be pedestrian access there. So, this is something the board should consider, but I would suggest to get pedestrians and bicyclists off the road and for maybe exercise for somebody who
wants to walk around from the warehouse that uh sidewalk be provided on either side and connecting to the sidewalk provisions and pedestrian push buttons up at the traffic signal. So, that would be my recommendation. Even though I know
to the south it's rural, that may not stay halfway forever and having a sidewalk now would allow that connectivity in the future. And then my comment number four, if there is frontage sidewalk and if
it's on the warehouse side that there should be sidewalk connecting the sidewalk around the building, which is very good. You have a nice loop around the building. Um, but any frontage sidewalk should be connected. My suggestion was along the north driveway
or the south driveway. Just bring it into the building. So maybe the south drive and the north side of the south driveway uh might be better because that's where the employees are and if they wanted to connect out to the sidewalk. Again, pedestrian connectivity. Um, you
you did a good job with the sidewalk around the building and that certainly could be used for pedestrians, employees. uh to get some exercise around the building, but I I think frontage sidewalk would be important, too. And if there's both, then it should be connected.
Uh the loading docks, uh Cranberry has a requirement for 15 foot, but the industry standard certainly is less than 15 foot. You don't get enough loading docks. We've had this testimony given before, and we've granted these waivers before. 13.5 is the industry standard.
But my next comment um goes to the storage spaces. I think you said there was 20 uh storage trailer storage spaces. Those are 12 foot wide. Um they're not as long as the loading spaces. Can you just give a little testimony as to why those can be a
little bit narrower and um how that works out that they're shorter. Uh again, I know there's a concrete pad there. You can include that. I I guess essentially because you can get the the the um trailers closer to each other because in in the in the warehouse the the the loading dock areas, you have to
have a little bit of space. That's why those ones are 13 and a half versus the one that that are just on the uh the parking area that can be uh >> and you also have the loading door equipment that >> correct the 13 it's a little wider and then the one next to it it's a little wider so you need a little bit more
spacing. >> Yes. Um the trucks themselves are eight, nine feet wide. So the 12 foot with professional drivers should work in those trailer storage spaces. >> Correct. Yes. >> And again, you're providing 53 feet for those. That's because it's usually the
trailer and not the tractor. It's just the trailer back portion. >> Correct. Yes. >> Okay. Um, >> I'm sure >> I have some comments about traffic impact, but we'll get to that once the uh traffic engineer.
>> Yeah, testimony. >> Mr. Chairman, I have one more item if you don't mind. >> Um, Andrew made me think about uh the right of way and the widenings. uh in my large number of years, I'm not going to say how many, in engineering, uh very
few times have an has an applicant provided all the dedication on one side of the road. That's what this applicant's doing here. Correct. >> That's correct. >> At least in front of the in front of your building, which is taking the land off the property that has the train station, making that a need for a
setback variance. Uh normally what happens is you take equal amounts from the existing center line in both directions, left and right. Um so I don't know whether there's anything in our master plan that would disallow that was I don't think so. >> I don't think so.
>> Uh but it is unusual. Uh, and uh, if the board grants it, I would also like to see a dedication to the south on on Heightstown Cranberry Station Road on your property because you can't do it in the south because that's where the
rightway is for the Conrail. But we need to also expand the roadway in that area on your full frontage, meaning both physical roadway, rightway uh, meaning both pavement and land. So that would have to come from 100% on
your side. So it's a different kind of uh realignment that would be needed and that uh would then complete the road widening in front of your property so that in the future if somebody else down the line on the south was going to build
something uh it would match correctly to uh a proper roadway width and a proper rightway width. Well, I I I the only thing I would comment is I think it's a little unique situation because we happen to own property on both sides of the road. So, normally it's somebody else owns the property on the other side
of the road. So, it's our property and we just shifted it. So, I think that's why it's probably a little bit unique and you haven't seen it before. >> I've seen it before. It's just as unusual. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But it comment on the uh well is the applicant willing to donate the additional land on their side uh for uh
right ofway widening and also because you stop you stop the right of way and you stop the the roadway work >> way before your property ends and you really should continue to the edge of your property. >> The applicant has indicated that they're okay with that. >> Okay, >> that's fine. >> Thank you. >> But I just want to bring attention that
there's a lot there that we don't that we don't own. this lot um lot three. So >> yeah. Well, you Yeah, you can't do it in that way. >> Yeah. So, I'm just >> But you probably could do the the street widening, but not the rightway widening. >> That we'd have to check out.
>> Yeah. >> You know, >> can I ask a question? What is on that lot? There's >> I think it's just the way that it was cut up back before the road was there or it's just wooded to be honest. I think it's even in a different block. It has
its own block and lot that that's just an odd >> Oh, and this that's uh if you do uh uh when you do uh dedicate on your side, I guess it increases the uh the D4 variance slightly.
>> Yes. >> Yes, I would. >> I think that it's a good idea and I think the applicant's willing to do it. So we the board would just have to grant a greater F variance if they were to approve the project. >> It's probably less than 1%. Sprint's not
a lot. >> Never. >> I'm done. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> Questions. Um actually a couple questions regarding landscaping. Um the cell tower is on you
show it. Um and it looks like on the site plan that you provided it almost looks like there's an easement. It's not called out but an ease like a almost like an easement to service that cell tower. >> Yes, I think that's the requirement that they have is is an access easement. Um
which is it's on the the uh the exhibit A1 and in this in the set. So >> Okay. Because so you you show landscaping along the street which would be blocking that easement on your landscaping that
you provided in the in exhibit 82. >> Yeah, there's a there's one uh sage tree that we can shift over. >> Okay. So the the other question I mean I think it you probably should show that on the plan, right? Um, but the other
question I have is can you add landscaping along the base of that >> cell tower that you know around the enclosure? >> Well, we probably have to check the easement because they may have the rights on the easement. So, we would
have to look at that. >> Yeah, >> if it's allowed, I don't see why we wouldn't do it, but >> we may not have the right to do it. >> Okay. like your utility companies usually don't want you to put bushes around the box if it happens to end up being on your property, >> right? Well, they probably need some access, right? So, yeah. Um to the to
the extent possible. I mean, that would be good. And um also, I think one thing I'd raised in my letter had to do with signage around the monument sign and would you agree to do that to add sign? What did I say? Landscaping. Yes. Or sorry, around the monument sign. Okay.
>> We were following. Yeah, we can provide that. Yes. Um, a couple just real quick with the 59 parking spaces. You said you had two EV. Does the 59 is it 59 actual physical spaces or does the 59 include um,
uh, bonus, you know, uh, EV credits? >> No, there's no EV credits. Well, they're included in the 59 59. So, >> so it is 59 physical. >> It's 59 visible basically. >> Okay. And then you mentioned there's uh the monument sign would be externally
illuminated. Is the wall and I maybe I didn't I missed it but the wall sign is that how will those be illuminated if at all? >> Um I think the architect can provide further detail on that. >> Okay. Okay. Those are my questions for now. Thanks.
I just want to make sure for the record um you reviewed the shade tier commission review letter and we're okay with their comment. Correct. >> Yes. >> And the same thing with the uh fire comments. You reviewed that and the applicant's okay with complying with their comments as well. >> Yes, we'll address those comments.
>> All right. Because they're not here. So, just want to make sure that's on the record. >> That's all the direct testimony I have for this witness. Do you want to call the next witness? Okay. So, I think I would actually call up the uh LSRP so we can kind of get that one issue out of the way. That I
think that'd be most if you can come on up. I think you can sit down and take your stuff. I do >> uh Basil Elmer's E L L M R S. Uh I'm a licensed site professional
since uh with the state of New Jersey since uh 2014. Uh I have a bachelor of science at Ruckers University. Uh I've been in the environmental field uh since for 27 years. board acceptance qualifications as an
LSRP. Yes. Thank you. Okay. So, um you've been listening to the testimony and the issue with the township's ordinance in the repairing zone and we want to indicate or if you could testify as to whether or not you believe that the applicant has the right to fill in the two man-made ponds and if you can
explain why if that is your conclusion. >> Yes. So, to the gentleman's um noting of the exception to that ordinance. So there is the site has a long environmental or industrial history as a you know pesticide and fertilizer manufacturing
since the early 1900s. Um we've done extensive environmental testing to date uh to identify um contamination related to you know several up to 10 areas of concern throughout the property um
mostly related to the historic operations. Um the ponds uh man-made. They were according to aerial photographs, you know, did not exist uh up until the early or mid 1950s when they were created as part of the
processing uh using the scrubbing of the the plant to cool using the water from the ponds uh which is essentially in my opinion probably groundwater. um based on testing that we've uh have done out
there. Um so to that we've done um contamination is is present throughout the ponds related to the former manufacturing operations. Um the contaminants of concern and there's
also other areas of concern that fall within that 150 foot buffer um of the repairarian zone. uh former underground storage tanks um pesticides uh storage uh building uh the ponds themselves uh
and a few other um petroleum you know underground storage tanks. So uh contaminants concern you know range throughout the whole um uh parameters. You have volatile organics related to the petroleum under storage tanks. You
obviously have pesticides. We have metals. We have um uh semivolit organics um all throughout the in the area of the ponds and the other areas of concern within that repairarian zone. Um the
exception you know to the you read it there is exactly you know I can read it again for the group but it just says dist disturbance with no feasible alternative required for the remediation of hazardous substances performed with
New Jersey D or federal oversight pursuant to the to the spill act which is the New Jersey D ordinance or regulation or circle of the federal liability which is like the super fun law. Um so ultimately in order to ensure
you know public health and safety and the environment you know cleanup of the these areas within this repairing zone are nec necessary to comply with uh New Jersey D requirements. Um we've like I said done extensive testing uh
throughout the area and have identified the extent of the contamination um both in you know soils groundwater uh sediment they are all impacted with with those contaminants. So the proposed
remediation on site um is to uh excavate some areas uh where feasible and then also cap um leave in place under a engineering control being the uh you know the proposed structure. So that
is a fully you know uh acceptable and common uh remedy pursuant to New Jersey DP regulations. Um, so you know, we have there was mention of a phase one report. We have several reports that have been
submitted to the New Jersey D. We've had some initial technical consultations with them about the the ponds themselves and the ecological assessment associated with them. Um, so I could provide all
those reports to to the to the board uh as needed. uh in as it was mentioned in January or December 22, we were before the environmental commission and and provided a memo detailed of of the site
contamination and the proposed remedy. So um yeah, my opinion in order to comply with New Jersey DP requirements, this exception applies, you know, to the repairarian zone um because we need to
remediate these these hazardous substance there to ultimately, you know, protect human health, the environment, and uh to um limit the exposure to to those contaminants. and uh the proposed redevelopment
um and capping associated with that and excavation uh will will achieve those goals. >> So any questions that anyone has I can provide much more detail specifically on types and all that but yeah I' rather
open it up to questions it would be easier to >> go that way. If if this was this is more curiosity than I think if if this was a completely different type of development that didn't involve covering the area where the ponds are would what what
remediation would be required in that case? >> Essentially the same thing. You know there's there's several different options to remediate a a a contamination, you know, a a a source of contamination. Um the easiest if
accessible is is to dig out a a problem, you know, to a point where you've already established to be clean and then >> bring in clean soil and then you're good to go. when the contamination is is more extensive in this case like historic
fill or the contamination we're seeing in the ponds um there it makes more sense cost effectively to um remediation via engineering controls. So
you're essentially putting clean fill material on top of the contamination. Uh and the building itself acts as a as a cap, you know, with the concrete slab. Um and that is an a fully accessible and
quite common remedy for New Jersey DP. And then with that, you need to file a deed notice. So, it's um goes to the county that it the property has contamination and then the New Jersey D ultimately approves that with a a soil
remedial action permit. So, that permit um contains the deed notice and identifies the contaminants in place and the appropriate engineering controls. So for the length of once you've established or capped the material or
excavated it, you know, removed it. And in this case, we're probably proposing both because there's some underground former underground storage tanks that are probably close to this infiltration area that would be easier to remove that
soil. Um whereas the the larger scale contamin they're smaller areas versus the larger contamination with the pesticides fertilizer metals associated with the operations in and around and then
spreading out from the ponds are uh are best suited via a a cap by leaving it in place and that permit that is with the D has future and on it doesn't just go away. It stays in place with the
property and the LSRP is required to monitor that for as long as uh up to 30 years. The D allow, you know, they also require, you know, money to be put essentially in escrow to maintain the the building cap
and the engineering controls, you know, the remedy there. So it is quite common throughout New Jersey uh to um implement that D notice and permit for this case. >> Mr. Chairman, please. Um so couple
questions. One, uh you said that the ponds are probably mostly groundwater fed. Does that also mean that there could be groundwater contamination on the site from the ponds? And if there if if there is, are we talking about some kind of future pumping scheme to make
sure that it doesn't transmit itself uh off the property and across property lines? >> Correct. But part of my investigation, you know, has different phases. First, we identify the problem and then through
soil soil groundwater testing, um we then delineate or determine the extent of the problem. So, we've done that here to in lease regard to the ponds, we've identified that the contamination
related to the ponds does not migrate off the property. um your more mobile um contaminants like um dry cleaning compounds or uh gasoline related
compounds, benzene, the like uh are more mobile than the contaminants that are related to the ponds, the pesticides and the uh the metals. They don't tend to migrate as much. But to that point, we have monitoring wells throughout the
property. And as far as the soils are concerned, that's one area of remediation. The groundwater will have its own area of remediation. The same essentially think uh an institutional control in place and then a monitoring program essentially with a
groundwater permit to to ensure the safety. the water is not um there's no quotable wells in the area um of the property and there may be in the residences but the m the property is is
the contamination from the property is not migrating in that direction uh it's all migrating kind of to the to the north if I if I recall so the groundwater will be addressed accordingly as well in that regard the
pond ponds. The surface water is contaminated with with the with contaminants of concern, you know, the metals and and the pesticides. Uh so that will be addressed as well. >> Is there is it pretty much 100% decided
that you're going to leave the contaminates contaminants underneath the slab or is that possibility that they might get removed? portions of contaminants we hope to remove. But the larger areas of the pond will likely there will be some removal
during construction in order to you know facilitate the the development and the grade but ultimately these contaminants uh because of their immobility capping them is is uh you're going to have several feet of either clean fil
material above that. The DP has specific regulations or requirements. The building itself is the final engineering control, but below that will be some clean soils that are are used um to fill
the pond in if if needed, you know, >> and you'll have monitoring wells on site. So, if there was a chance of this stuff migrating towards the edges of the property, you'll know and we'll have to take action. >> Correct. Yeah. And that that won't get
approval under my purview as an LSRP. I have to ensure that before we go to the DPB for final permit approval that the contamination is um fully delineated and hasn't impacted any of these clean
sentinel wells. We have right now uh up to four or five monitoring wells. we may need to install some additional ones as as the remediation in an investigation proceeds. >> Okay. And the last thing in regard to our ordinance and the requirement for
not filling these ponds and 150 foot buffer, I think you talked about the the two different programs, one D, one federal. The federal this is not a super fund site. So that doesn't apply, right? >> It it does not. The EPA was involved in
some inspections here historically, but right now it it is not a super fun site. It's totally under the the the guidance or or oversight of the New Jersey D under the spill act. Yes. So, >> okay. And can you relate the particular
act that's in our ordinance? >> Yes, it's identified here, right? The >> So, in other words, we do fit under that particular exemption. >> Yes. >> That's your testimony. >> Yes. Again, I can read the um the language that we that we brought up to
in there. disturbance with no feasible alternative required for the remediation of hazardous substances performed with New Jersey D or federal oversight pursuant to the spill compensation and control act NJSA
etc. or the the comprehensive environmental response compensation and line build act. That's the circle. That's the federal. So the this this may this exception uh falls right under this because there is
really no feasible way to remediate this um with you you can't just leave it open because then it's almost more of a a hazard um without it being remediated. So to your point, yeah, it falls under
that New Jersey DP spill act >> and our ordinance, I think the the exemptions are they're under they're a may, aren't they? Not a not a shall in terms of the ordinance. So the board has to think about it. >> Yeah. And believe the environmental
commission had some concerns in that regard. to Andrew's point, um, they are artificial, you know, even though they're on the GIS later layer. I I'm not sure if they've been removed. Uh, but remediation is definitely
warranted or necessary in this in this case in order to comply with D standards and and the proposed redevelopment um, achieves that goal. >> Thank you. That's all I have. questions.
Let me start with a question from Mr. Hoder. >> Based on what we're hearing, we still need to vote on a repairarian buffer variance. Correct. >> I believe so. Yes. Yeah. That's >> does >> it's both the safest for us and for them.
>> Right. So, does our voting for the variance occur first and then they decide what they do or don't they need to remediate and figure out what they're doing with the ponds first >> and get that? >> Well, they've presented what they're
doing with it. They're basically >> they're going to cap them. They're going to take some soil out. >> They're going to provide dirt cap. They're going to provide the solution. >> That's their solution and that's what we have to vote on. >> Okay. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. Then uh roughly how
deep are the ponds roughly? >> Yeah, very vary. They're filled with sediment that comes in over years, but based on our investigation, I think the ponds are no greater than um six to seven feet deep. Yeah.
>> And at what elevation is groundwater? probably at the surface water of the ponds which is probably depending on the season anywhere from three and a half to four and a half five feet below below existing grade. So, you know, when we do
when when we've done investigation of groundwater throughout the site away from the ponds or even soil testing, you see the the obvious groundwater level, the saturated soils, and it and it kind of um complies or is right in line with
the depth of the of the ponds itself. And the ponds over the years historically were excavated. So because they were filling in they also receive obviously runoff from some from the road. So there's also
anthropogenic pollution you know just um that uh the ponds have received you know just from the roadway unrelated to the site itself. But uh those ponds to my point were were excavated the sediment and then was spread along the banks so
that they could keep using it. But to your point with the with the variance ultimately in order for us to proceed with that the proposed remediation we would need that that approval for for
that um that's kind of been a a stalling or we're waiting for or wanted to address that first before proceeding. >> And so uh the I read in the report the foundations are basically shallow. You
have good bearing soil. Is this cap that you're talking about below the below the foundations? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, below that. So, you're gonna have to over excavate three and a half, four, five, six feet. How thick is the
cap? Typically, >> the cap is is different. Yeah, it all depends on the final grade of the property, which um um Andrew or the engineers can can speak to. and I'll be involved in that process so that we can
ensure that the appropriate caps and elevations are met. But ultimately, you have a a a thickness of the slab and then below that you're going to have a subbase and most likely clean or or alternative film material even below
that. So, you're going to have um at least, you know, pursuant to DP regulations for an industrial property, you need um it it varies between site. Residential has a lot more strict
requirements or a presumptive remedy in that regard. But you have the slab thickness and the underlying clean soils. You'll have the asphalt parking lot uh also acting as the um the cap and also any any landscaping features as
well. So the the cap what happens out in the landscaped area is >> depending on the extent of contamination some you'll have a a clean fill layer above that whether it be soil or um
stone and then in the landscape areas you'll have a a top soil that's that's been brought in or has been tested that is not impacted. Is the bottom of that cap have a uh like a a permeable >> demarcation layer? Yes, you'll have
>> and some kind of like imperous plastic material of some sort. >> Yeah, that that will be part of the design. So that makes sure that the filtration works well. And then the clean water pipe that they talked about is is not impacted as well. we may have
a a petroleum source in that area that we're going to want to remove so that that is not a a concern there. >> Do any of the contaminants uh do they release into the air?
>> Luckily, no, not in this case. are volatile organics like benzene um do but we don't have them at levels that would impact the uh the indoor air. Where you do see that and we don't have that in this case is is the chlorinated solvents
like a dry cleaner. They have a very um you have to do indoor air investigations. So in this case um if needed we'll investigate the indoor air as part of our our overall you know plan and and investigation to the D.
>> You need to ventilate the below slab space like radon >> if you had an indoor air concern. Um, yes, you can you can they can construct the building with a subslab system if needed, but I don't see that need
necessary here based on the contaminants that we have. >> Other questions? >> Thank you. >> Sorry. Um, did you as part of your phase one have to look at the properties on the east side of the uh roadway or is it
you know where the depot building is or do you are you restricted to just where you're disturbing? >> No, we've looked at the entire property. So there's um you can see it down there both sides the entire both lots both sides of the property because there was
some pesticide storage in the one building on the east side that we've sampled and identified some contamination that will be capped as well. Uh so our investigation has has
covered the the entire property. So how will that be capped in a similar to the description you gave about the landscaping cap? >> Yes, I believe so. Uh so that extends over you have the train depot here.
This area will be I guess the roadway portion of the the roadway will be widened in that area. So you'll have uh and then whatever redevelopment features they'll there'll be a cap on that side. So each each area
that we intend to cap or that has known contamination will be will be mapped and identified as part of the D uh approval. >> Thank you >> Mr. Chairman. I do have one last thing.
Would the applicant agree to not cap but to remove any contaminants on the land they're going to dedicate to the township as opposed to just capping it? So, you're giving us clean land, meaning
over by the train station. >> My historical investigation to date on the train station has not identified any contamination, which is good. Um, well, we can confirm that with some additional testing and then if the applicant is uh
um that's a question for him, you know, I ultimately um >> but you're you're going to dedicate and the attorney maybe can say you can dedicate both both lots on that side, correct? >> They're both going to the township. Is that correct? >> Well, why don't we have the applicant's
representative talk when when he's done? >> Okay. We can >> talk about that. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh Franco, could you please come up? >> Can you raise your right hand, please? >> Yes.
>> Introduce yourself by your last name. >> My name is Franco Rouseel. R A U SO. I'm one of the owners of this wonderful property. Okay. >> So, I I know you've been in the audience listening and there's been a couple of
questions uh really relating to what's going to happen with the property across from the warehouse, the train depot where the township asked you to do and what you anticipate doing with that property. Then, of course, there are now concerns about whether or not any cleanup needs to be done on the those properties.
>> Right. So, I'll just give you a brief history of our company. We're a 100-year-old company. Our main distribution comes from Dayton, New Jersey. We have a just under 2 million square foot facility there on three
pieces of uh property. Some next to each other, one is a little bit down the road. Randomly, as I was driving through Cranberry, I I go to Teddy's once in a while here. I passed by the um
the whatever it was uh fertilizer factory and spoke to the owner. I said whose property is this? I'd like to buy it. And the guy asked me why. So I said, I don't know, maybe I have to develop it one day. And he gave me a whole history. You can't develop it.
They've been mill all these big guys have come after me. So I just gave him a random offer. He took it and ran away. And I didn't know what I was getting myself into when I I started parking trucks there. There was I don't know what they were doing before the
neighbors had a you know they were not happy. So the difference between maybe me or our company and all the other big guys around is that they were able to call me. I give them my phone number. It's not like they had a problem with a Wayfair truck. They'd have to call 1-800
number. They could reach me at any time. And I moved all the trucks. I've listened to the uh community concerns. The historic society has reached out to me and that building. I've studied the history of it. I've known more about
a train switch that's in the ground than I've ever known before based on buying this piece of property. So, my idea and working with them was to definitely preserve it. Now, if it becomes a hassle to dedicate it or give it to the city, I
would have no problem keeping it and allowing the city to use it in some sort of agreement where you guys won't ever own it and you'll always have access to it and I would maintain it so it wouldn't become a burden to the to the um to the to the town. Uh we didn't get that far in figuring all that stuff out
because I was facing so many other challenges across the street to even develop the the land. So, I basically have done nothing past the fact that it's not dedicated. I could have demolished it
and I didn't and I plan to restore it to whatever standard the historic society wants so that it could be possibly used for the community to come visit. And I'd want to create a park there that I would even maintain because I'd like to
dedicate it to uh the CEO who passed last year of our company. So it doesn't necessarily have to be a burden to the uh to the city. It could remain ours as the facility that I'm building is not
for anyone but us. So we would be using it for our like auxiliary needs because we kind of outgrew Dayton and I looked in other little neighboring towns that were close to our facility to where we can just store the additional goods that
don't get shipped out. But nothing would ever be shipped from this facility. It would always be our own internal trucks that would be bringing it back to Dayton when it's needed to be distributed. I also spoke to a lot of the neighbors because
they were concerned about how we were going to mask or protect them from seeing, you know, a warehouse and a and a turnpike. And again, I I listen to all the landscape questions. I would work closely with anyone from the town and
the neighbors to make that buffer a nice buffer and add a sidewalk. The widing of the road also came kind of after the city or the town allowed Amazon and everyone down the road to build massive
all that truck traffic. No, we were adding probably 2% not less of the truck traffic that's coming through there now. And the the the town has never asked any of them to widen that road coming up to to to the property that I bought. and I brought
that to the city's attention and said, "Look, I'm willing to widen the road to help the condition that's here, even though I'm not creating any more burden to what you guys have already allowed to happen coming down this road. So, I
think being that I'm accessible and not one of these big bigger corporations, I think any of the concerns that the board has or the neighbors have or even the historic board has, they can work out directly with me and make it work for
for for everyone. And again, even with the um I don't even want to call them ponds because I I every time I go there, I think like a ninja turtle is going to come out of it because if you look at the aerials of the whole entire city of
>> township, >> township of Cranberry, they're the only two pieces of water that are neon green from the sky. There's a lot of ponds around, you know, my my property and all
of them look like ponds. These are bright green, like noticeable from from the sky. Uh, so I I feel that what we presented is is the right thing for the community. I think having I
don't want to say having me there is a good thing for the community, but I think I'm I'm better than some big corporation that is there really for other intent than really to put something and build something that
I'm more of like a partner with every community that we we we build in. So, I I thought it would be important to say that and have you guys ask me any direct question that you that you want.
>> So, this board doesn't make the decision on whether or not the properties across the street are donated or not. You have to do a separate um let's say application to the mayor and council to make that happen or not happen. >> Okay? and and you'd be guided by them
and the historical commission etc. Uh but in in this board could put conditions on this application for example um I would think that would say either you know the contaminants are are removed if they're um they are dedicated
or capped if they're not dedicated. I don't think there's any Ed. Do you have any comments about that? Yeah, considering since you're also doing a devariance. Um, >> right. So, my my my concern and the reason why I would not want to dedicated in the event that there are contaminants
to preserve the historic conditions that are there might require removing the structures that are there, right? To to to create or clean the site. If I had to dig down and remove the
switch that's in the ground or whatever the case may be, it may make it complicated to preserve what's there. So to save the city from having that headache, it would always be mine and we could do an agreement where you guys have the right to it, just you don't own
it and I own the headache and you just own the beautiful, you know, park that uh that I >> Well, that's something you'll have to present to the mayor and council. >> Correct. >> Yeah. But we I think there's a lot more u due diligence that my LSRP has to do
on that particular side of the property to even give a real true answer on if if if the city would want it, I'm willing to give it. But if the city can't have it or it becomes a burden, I'm willing to maintain it and still do what I have to do to make it historic so that it's a
piece of history in in this in this township. >> Okay. And what's the nature of the business? What what what does your what does the company do and what will happen here? >> So, we own the licensing to major brands for children's clothes 12 and under. We
own the exclusive license worldwide for Nike, Early, Jordan, Levis's. So, basically any t-shirt that you see or children's clothes 12 and under in the entire world comes from us. We
>> manufacture or >> so we partner with >> or do you have a manufacturer somewhere else and you ship them? >> So we partner with factories around the world. We have 65 factories around the world but we only distribute out of the
US to the US. Our distribution worldwide is in other, you know, in Europe and in uh Asia, but here in the US from Dayton, we distribute to all 50 states from Dayton. >> And Dayton is your only facility in the US right now.
>> Uh yes, we we have other uh developments that are going to happen warehouse-wise, but again, all for uh ancillary like auxiliary just for storage of goods, not for distribution. Our facility was customized in Dayton. To move that would
would never would never would never work. >> Thank you. >> I have a question. Question or actually comment. You had mentioned that the warehouses to the south didn't do improvements. They actually did. They did major
improvements to the intersection. They signalized it. It tied in the railroad tracks. They widened the radius. There's a lot of work that they did. They couldn't widen the road because you own the property owner of that site had both sides and it's a constrained and there's
buildings up against it. So, it really was very difficult and something that was um needed to be corrected and this is the point that we had to correct those deficiencies. So, it it's not as if they didn't do it. They couldn't do
it. There was no right of way to do any of that work. They did do the signalization before it wasn't signalized. They had to put the signal in. They had to do exactly what the county wanted. They tied in the railroad tracks, which is I know it doesn't operate a whole lot, but tying in railroad tracks takes, you know, a year
or two years just working with the railroad right away. So, they did their part what they could do and now this is the part that's going to help connect that larger piece going south. So, that's the history, right? And you are
helping by dedicating that rightway. That does help the whole situation on Heightstown Cranberry Station Road. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you for allowing me to speak. >> At this time, I'd like to call up the architect. Ed William O'Neal Jr. kind of low
apostrophe capital N E I L. I have some uh smaller scale drawings that might be easier for you to look at. >> Yeah. Why don't you pass those out? >> Is that all right? Sure. >> Yes.
Yeah, I would put them up so the audience can see. Okay. Okay, let's get you qualified first. Okay. >> Okay. >> So, if you can give the board the benefit of your background and qualifications. Again, I'm a licensed architect in good standing in New Jersey. I've been
licensed since 1988. I'm uh my education is I have a bachelor of architecture degree from New York Institute of Technology. I also have a master's of architecture degree from the University of Pennsylvania. I'm also uh the lead faculty member and
creator of the architecture program at Brookdale Community College and I've done that for the last 37 years. I've appeared before numerous boards in the county and out of the county. I have not appeared here. >> Board acceptance qualifications. >> Thank you. Okay. And if you could just
for the record um confirm that your office prepared the floor plans and elevations. >> Yes, we did. >> And why don't you describe that for us and if you're going to rely on any exhibits, we'll mark them into evidence. I know you handed out a packet. Does the packet resemble the big boards that you're going to go through? >> Yes, which also are the same as the
digital boards that we've submitted. Okay. Thought you were taking out your own microphone. >> I just watched James Bond. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, what you see here are two of the elevations. Do we want to mark that
board or is that because it was what was submitted already? What do you want? >> Again, it is the same. >> Just want to mark the packet as A3. >> Okay, that's fine. So if I also go to the elevations so they we've in the ordinance
um section 150-411B it talks to about the aesthetics of the building and the mass of the building being reduced visually and it says that there should be breaks in the building which is possible in some elevations but
in others not because again it is a warehouse. So if you have a warehouse facility every job creates an inefficiency in warehousing. So when you look at the elevation that is visible from uh Heightstown Cranberry
Station Road, that elevation will be flat. And so we've but the ordinance says, as I quote, um other architectural treatments that in the opinion of the board view, you provide an equivalent reduction in the mass, scale, and visual
impact of the building are also permitted. And I'm guess I'm here to discuss the fact that that elevation has various devices we have done architectonically to break the visual impact mass and scale of the building.
So if I focus on that, of course I have the wrong >> I have the other one up. So >> he's just testing you. >> That's right. That game show. Okay. So, this is the other and so these
these two elevations here. So, what we've done is we've uh toned this this the building in two tones of gray. So, this part would be light gray and you can see these accent lines in the panels become a darker gray. And
those grays kind of adhere to the Hadad coloring scheme in their company, their corporation as does the red. I know the ordinance talks about red as not being something that is desirable, but in this case it is the company's colors and
we're not using them in bulk manner. We're using them as highlight elements. So I don't really think they have a negative impact on the building. So when the two lines cross there are these smaller red almost squares at the
connections and then these are what are called cowall panels. So if you know what cow wall is, it's a translucent window because again as a transparent window, I mean having everybody kind of drive by and look in at the warehouse facility, I don't think is going to be
something anybody really wants to look at. But it will break down the mass into a pattern. So what we've done in this long elevation is create a pattern of a grid with the panels as well as these cow wall panels. And there are some
large windows at the top to let light in without again interrupting the uh warehouse space within. And so that continues across. And then when you get to the other elevations, you can see that because of the
configuration of the building, particularly on the turnpike side, the building steps. So we're doing the same thing there to continue this patterning around the entire building. But again on the turnpike side because of the mass
differences with the entrance the truck loading area and things it's already broken up. But again in truck loading area again the siding has changed again in texture and tone. So we think that given the size of the building this is kind of the
the best we can do. Um, I think to be honest with you, I think on this elevation I think it will be quite successful in breaking down the mass of the building into a series of elements as opposed to one large element. In my drive here, I looked at a couple of of
the neighboring uh warehouses. I'm not sure whether they're in Cranberry or the neighboring township, but they're >> these >> Yeah, because you see it's an architectural drawing device. There's a is a kind of squiggly line here. >> That means it's a cut line.
>> So, because it wouldn't fit on the piece of paper, honestly, the scale would be so small you really wouldn't be able to see it. window. >> Yeah, it's up here. >> No. >> Yeah. And then here there's ones in the corner.
>> What's the reason why? >> Well, well, some of it is again to to break the pattern again. You have 3 332 and and it just again it breaks the pattern as you're trying to turn the corner to look at the rest of the building. It's it's a again it's an architectural device. You're always
trying to create visual movement around the building in order to break down the mass because your eye doesn't stop and fix. So that's kind of the the theory anyway. Um, and you can see on the other elevation.
Whoop. It breaks down also, but the mass of the building breaks here. You can see it gets shorter. And then this and this is is drawn very faintly. That's because that's set back.
And then the entryway is not quite but almost a glass box and that faces again the turnpike. Uh there was another question about lighting of the signs. It's all the only sign that will be externally lit is the one that faces the turnpike.
>> Yeah, that somebody asked asked that question. >> I do it. Um you said externally lit or internally lit? >> Externally. So, how with with like goose nut lighting or something >> with I'm sorry. >> How is it externally lit? >> It's going to be, you know, through a fixture that lights it from probably
from the bottom. >> Okay. Okay. So, it's okay. >> It's not channel lettering. It's not a channel letter sign. >> No. >> Okay. Got it. Got it. Okay. >> Sorry. >> Sorry. It's the clock. I figured
>> I I feel I shouldn't talk. >> Let me just interrupt you for a second. Yeah. Our alternate has to leave now for issues related to the youngster being waited to be picked up. So that's she's going to leave. But we'll make the CD available to her so that she'll be
eligible when the matter continues. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So again, if I if I describe those elements which I was describing with the pointer, I can I can list them. So we have the pre-cast concrete panels in two tones. We have the red highlights at the
dark gray intersections which create the pattern that breaks up the tones. We have the cowl wall that's a company so it's cow wall or equal um translucent windows at approximately 60 foot intervals which has to do with the
column spacing inside. Uh we have the openings on the west elevation which would be the turnpike elevation and the windows there which are in the mezzanine. Uh we have also the glass entry vestibule. Uh the signage as we've
talked about as wayfinding also break up the mass to some extent. And then the vertical pan panel inter um articulation in this area. >> Yeah. So so I think we're I think we've been pretty successful considering again
it's a very large building. Oh, also there was a question about the HVAC units. >> Yeah. Up on the roof. >> Yeah. Um, the building is roughly is a little over 200 feet deep and the HVAC C units will be on the center of the building in that 100 ft. Now, I don't
have a diagram as I think Mr. Hoder was was suggesting, but I can't see how they'll ever be visible considering the size of the building. And they want to be in the middle because the middle is where the equal distribution is throughout the building. So it's the
most efficient way to do it. >> Well, again, they're they're tilt up concrete panels. >> So the the panel is tilted up. Uh the finish comes from how it's cast and then it'll be painted. I see. I'm just confused. I see
different windows. >> That's >> That's the That's this. >> It's these two. So, that's where the cowl wall comes in to break up the mass at the column lines.
And then again architecturally the the spacing of the columns creates the building. You're expressing the creation of the building at the elevations that there's an architectural logic to it. >> So just like rough outside, right? >> Yeah. But but not not rough rough. I
mean certainly you wouldn't hurt your hand to rub it. But >> because again it has to take the paint. It it does. Um Mr. O'Neal had said that he in his uh opinion it it didn't make it wasn't an efficient use of warehouse
space to have that and so that he was uh suggesting that the the breaking up in the the the verticality and with the what do you call them cow walls would would >> provide that visual interest and and
visual breaking up I but that's really >> well it says in the ordinance under 150-411B that this is an alternative with your approval. >> The other thing just so you know the red
and and Mr. O'Neal alluded to this is that the ordinance um and they're all guidelines so it's not a requirement but want suggest muted colors and so that's another thing the board would have to um
approve >> and again our justification it's the company's colors just by coincidence >> actually I just have a couple of questions Okay. So, with the translucent um so does that kind of you know at
night would that's are the lights stay on and like would you see the ex you know from >> uh Heightstown cranberry whatever cranberry sorry I'm kidding from >> I thought I was there >> yeah cranberry station he cranber station road would people then um you
know particularly um thinking about the residents who live on the other side of the train tracks are they going to be looking at a building that's lighted uh along the facade. >> No, not lighted as if you were looking at us now from outside. It would be a very muted
uh tone. That would be a little different than the concrete. >> Okay. And is there any I mean I know um there was testimony about the hours of operation being sort of within the um you know six to four, >> right? And is it possible to to turn the
lights off when you're not in operation? I would think so. Security lights emergency >> just with that in mind with that concern in mind. Yeah. Facing it. >> Um another question. So I know you said
that the the mechanical equipment will be set back. Will it also be screened? We require screening or is it going to be screen? >> We we could screen it, but I don't think it's going to be visible. I think the screening is going to be unnecessary. I mean I could we could provide a a
section for you know site section if you will showing that but I I didn't prepare that for today's meeting. >> Okay. >> So we could do that as a condition of approval. >> Um well yeah I mean Dave what do you do you have any opinion on that? I would
probably want to have it be put in if if this is a a positive resolution. Put in the resolution that uh that the uh units will be x number of feet away from the uh edge of the building maybe 30 ft. >> Sure. >> I know how how wide is the building front to back
>> about. It's 213. >> Yeah. So they can be 40 feet away. >> Oh, easily. Yeah. >> Easily. >> And actually you want them further in the middle for building code reasons. Good. Uh, one question with the the red. I
mean, because a lot of, you know, we have a lot of warehouses in Cranberry and Cranberry's proud that their warehouses look nicer than the warehouses in surrounding towns. Um, and one question, you know, obviously we would want if this is approved the
company to thrive here, but let's say it is, you know, you're saying, well, it's their their company colors. What if they they or let's say they outrow this location, they have to move on. >> Well, well, they are painted. >> Okay. So, you could it's just a matter of paint. >> Repainted.
>> Okay. All right. >> I'd be willing to remove all the red dots and only actual branded the amount of red >> but our sign >> I I'll just to the for the board's
consideration I I understand um Mr. Sorry, Russo. Russo um concern. And in other uh similar types of buildings, other warehouses, the signage is specific to the brand of the
company, but the building isn't. So, I think that that's just something for your consideration with regard to, you know, what uh he's off, Mr. also is offering with removing the red but keeping the red signage I think is more consistent with what you see elsewhere
in cranberry one of the windows is cut in half on the second one in Is that a typo or is the way it's supposed to be. >> Which uh >> second one in from the top. >> There's an extra line. >> Yeah. See, keep going to the left. To
the left. Left. A little more. One more. Right there. Yep. >> That's typo. >> Oh, it is. Okay. >> Sorry. >> I'm like, why would he put a small window on that? >> It's It's the line of the panel and the window or overlaid in the computer and the line
>> quality is just long enough. That looks a little strange. legitimate question. >> All right. >> Okay. This time I'd like to call our traffic engineer, Gary Dean. >> Good evening. For the record, Gary Dean, Dean N.
>> Mr. James, you test your >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you very much. I see you. >> Thank you. >> Gary, if you could give the board the benefit of your background and qualifications. >> Certainly. >> Sorry to interrupt. Before we start, could we just take a quick five minute break? >> Oh, Gary was so excited to start.
>> It was palpable. >> Yeah. I would say maybe >> they think it's garish. They go to red. >> I just Little bit of sauce. How are Oh, really?
It's normally Come on. I don't get it. I don't That was really crazy. really and I'm like you We used
to answer All right. Okay, we were about to get into uh Mr. Dean's background and qualifications. >> Thank you. Um I'm a graduate of Lehigh University with a bachelor of science and civil engineering. I'm a former member of the faculty of Lehigh
University in Lafayette College, having served as an adjunct professor teaching transportation engineering. I've been practicing traffic engineering and and design matters uh over the past 40 plus years and and I've been qualified as an
expert in traffic engineering before roughly 400 to 450 different boards. And I'll either take blame or credit for the work that you see right out in the parking lot in that I served as a consultant to the township's board of education to assist with some of the
traffic management literally right on this property. Um, and I am currently licensed as a professional engineer and that license is current and in good standing. >> Um, board accept his qualifications. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Mr. Gene, if you could, can you just confirm that your office has prepared a traffic impact analysis?
>> That is correct. >> And you've had an opportunity to review the site plan and the area around the site. >> I have. And can you just uh walk us through your conclusions in your report and describe basically whether you think in your opinion that the access is designed safely, the circulation and
there's adequate parking and loading for this particular project. >> Certainly just a brief background, our office was first retained by the applicant roughly five years ago. uh when the project was in its nent stages and we started looking at the access and
circulation and as part of that effort we actually were at the intersection of uh Heightstown Cranberry Station Road and Station Road. We did traffic counts the usual construct of a traffic impact study. Uh just given the minations of
the land use process, we've obviously been delayed sometime until this evening. Um we did update our traffic counts. Um, and I'll get to you Mr. Fander's review in a moment, but just for clarity, and it is stated in our
report that we were we redid all of our traffic counts, recognizing that when we first did them in 2021, we had some lingering effects of the pandemic and uh we weren't maybe not necessarily back 100% to routine day-to-day activity. Um,
and so we updated those in 2024. Interestingly enough, the traffic on Station Road is roughly the same. It hasn't changed much over the past five years. Where we did notice a change is that on Heightstown Cranberry Station Road, there was more traffic in 2021
simply due to our neighbor to the south, which again the lingering effects of the pandemic, you know, people were still clicking and pointing and having things shipped and it uh we were still in in the downstages of the pandemic. Um so as
a result, our traffic study correctly used 2024 data. The only error we made is that when we assembled our report, we had obviously prepared this once before. We just grabbed the old technical appendix and all the old counts since then. And again, Mr. Feranda pointed
that out in his review. We have shared with him the 2024 data and all of our analyses. And I'm pleased to say nothing changed uh in terms of our conclusions. Now, I'd like to get to, you know, sort of some numbers. As a traffic engineer, I I think I'm compelled to do that. It's
a curse. Um, but the traffic on Heightstown Cranberry Station Road is fairly light. It's about a 100 vehicles in one hour in the morning. So, a little bit more than a vehicle per minute and it's busier in the evening up to about
175. Now, when I compare that to the traffic on station road, that's roughly a thousand to,50. So the traffic across our frontage and that would serve our immediately serve our driveways is roughly a tenth of the
traffic east west on the county road. Um we did obtain all of the traffic signal design and operational information from the county pertaining to the traffic signal at at the intersection. Um that was all designed as was identified as
part of an offtrack improvement by the consultant for Amazon and that included u traffic signal equipment and pedestrian push buttons and things of that nature for that full traffic signal operation. Um in addition there is a
fair amount of capacity uh widening that exists with multiple turning lanes on on various approaches principally in anticipation of continued growth similar to what has occurred to our south uh
underneath the turnpike. Um one of the things we identified is that uh there is no pedestrian activity to speak of at the intersection. The one time we did see nonvehicular movement was a cluster
of 13 individuals riding their bikes. So there's and that was on station road, not on on Heightstown uh cranberry station road. So it's automobile and truck related with a handful of bicycles and obviously school buses. Um truck
activity is skewed principally to the west toward Route 130. It's about 80 to 85% of the truck activity comes to and from the west as better connectivity to the turnpike uh and and um 133, but uh
there are a few there's no disguising that there are a few larger vehicles that occasionally continue to the to the east um of the intersection. Um, when we get into our traffic projections,
um, I'm sure the board has heard from from other traffic engineers, we typically rely on industry standard data that's been compiled by the Institute of Transportation Engineers. It's it's a it's based on actual warehouse counts.
In this instance, we have also represented this applicant for their other sites in Dayton, elsewhere in New Jersey. And as a result of that, we've counted their warehouses and and I can say that their patterns, their traffic
activity, their overall volume is consistent with it. So whether it's this enduser or 20 years 30 years hence it's another warehouse type um I'm confident that the traffic is as projected and
it's based on roughly 89,000 square foot warehouse building to put it into some context the traffic in the in the morning peak hour and again as traffic engineers we look at that time when traffic is busiest that's concentrated usually during commuter peaks um and in
this area. Those occurred from 7:30 to 8:30 in the morning on a typical weekday. Um, and from 4 to 5 again during the evening peak hour. Our traffic is directional. We have more inbound traffic in the morning as
employees arrive at the start of the day and then they leave at night. And and there is some outbound, you know, off peak that's principally attributed to outbound shipments or inbound at night. But for a building of this size, it's about 45 to 50 traffic movements in an
hour and less than a vehicle a minute. So I wouldn't characterize this use given its nature as fairly passive as being overly traffic intensive. Um, and it's you think a box a box and you think warehouse. Well, there's about six
different subcategories of warehouse. Some are just that. They store goods as the applicant represented. Some, however, are distribution centers that are called fulfillment centers. That's what's down the street with Amazon, and
they have much higher employee counts and significantly higher truck activity. By contrast, a site of this might generate three to four trucks per hour. So, it's not a particularly trafficintensive
use period, but certainly not with trucks. There are some in the middle of the day. Uh, generally trucking likes to avoid peak hours just to the added congestion, but I would characterize it as again a fairly passive use. Um, and we did assume that the majority of the
traffic would be comprised of employee vehicles. Um, and 10% may go to the south, but we assume 90% would turn left from the site, come up to station road, and then they would travel east and west uh in equal proportions just as their
automobile traffic. Um, we did consult uh with the board office. Um, there there were no other significant developments that were identified near the site. So we included what we call a background growth rate
which is an assumption that uh traffic increases over time and then our final component was to add the site traffic back onto this layering um of existing traffic future traffic without us and the site um and we would have and we go
through excruciatingly painful calculations which are appended to our report more of interest to Mr. Fernandanda, but we calculate delay. That is how much more time we as drivers experience when there's more traffic around us. And the increases are you
might be on the order of for one movement, which is the northbound movement on Heightstown Cranberry Station Road at night when our employees are leaving, we might add 5 seconds of additional delay at the intersection. the rest of the time it's I would argue
it's imperceptible even in the 5 seconds. But um our study did not identify any need for um offtrack improvements, changes to the intersection um you know retiming things of that nature. Everything will continue to
operate effectively as it does today. Finally, our study included the evaluation of the the overall design of the driveways. Um I I will say in my opinion they conform with standard engineering practice. The northern
driveway has been designed with wider radi to accommodate trucks. And you can see from the layout which what's that number A2 that um the site has been designed to segregate automobile and
truck traffic. So um the northerly driveway is ostensibly for trucks only. Um, and then the employees and the parking is on the southerntherly side of the building. As a result, the northern driveway needs to be bigger, bigger vehicles, wider radi, wider throat
length. Our southern driveway is only accommodating passenger cars. Um, and as a result, we've asked for a modest amount of relief on the width of that driveway simply because we know the vehicles that will be using it. 24 feet
is a standard street width. um and there's no meaningful benefit in adding another six feet of imperous coverage. Um that to me serves no meaningful purpose. So that's that's the area where we are seeking relief, but I would submit that that even at its proposed
design, it's consistent with standard design practice. Um, as was discussed, we meet all of the required parking for the use, even conservatively assuming that the warehouse component is a separate use and not part of, you know, an ancillary component of the warehouse.
So, there's maybe another dozen spaces we don't need, but your ordinance otherwise requires and and those have been included. Um, in terms of Mr. Fanda's review, I I found it to be very thorough. It it highlighted, you know, the the obvious areas of concern. Um the
applicant is providing a widening of uh Heightstown Cranberry Station Road. It's it's being done on the west side obviously to preserve the historic structures on the easterly side. The only area that I would take
exception to is the the I'll say preference or recommendation for a deceleration lane for our northerly truck driveway. And that's a 14 foot wide runway of asphalt that in my opinion none of the other warehouses
have provided in this area. Arguably all of them will be busier than this site. But more importantly, with a truck generation of maybe one every 15 or 20 minutes, it it doesn't meet what what are called the warrants. Those
are that's a technical term for name for the design standards as to whether a a deceler deceleration lane is needed. The standard is usually held to a minimum volume of 100 to 200 vehicles per hour.
two or three doesn't warrant all that extra black top in my opinion. I I'd rather if there's any concern about the efficacy of that driveway is I I would rather go with wider radi radi closer to what Amazon has done that are not 50
feet maybe 80 feet if if getting those trucks in quickly is a priority but I I don't advocate all that amount of black top it just becomes candidly more maintenance for the township in the long run it's just black top that contributes to runoff and and just isn't needed in
my opinion in this particular instance. Um, beyond that, I I find all of the the comments fair and reasonable. Um, the only thing I can't answer is um under the traffic section is parking for the existing train depot.
And because the formal plans for that require input from the governing body and its long-term use, I think it's reasonable to assume that that public parking will be provided. But at this juncture, um it's premature to consider
how to accommodate that. Um and beyond that, I I don't have Oh, there was one more comment about queuing, and for everyone's benefit, that's engineering term for stacking. Um and and as I read the concern was as we have station road
to the north and the uh truck driveway, how far does traffic stack up and will it in any way affect free movement to and from the driveway? in our findings that are appended to the report. I won't ask you to try and look through
microscopic print, but the the modeling software that we use tells us that stacking. It's 90 feet and that's during the evening peak hour when northbound traffic is higher. Our driveway is about 250 ft away. So, we won't have, you
know, a line of cars right at the site driveway that in any way would uh impact the ability for for trucks to get in and out. So, with all of that, looking at um all of the information that that we've reviewed and and calculated and
collected, um and I know there was a request for sight lines to be depicted on the plan and the landscaping may need to be adjusted, but beyond that, I find that the uh proposed design will provide safe and efficient ingress and egress for both the trucks and the automobiles
at at both locations. And that's all I have in the way of direct testimony. >> What I should have asked this earlier, but which driveway are trash trucks going to be? >> That is a great question.
>> This side. >> It's on the right. Should be on the north side. You know, >> I am I what I'm looking at the exhibit is is typically there's a trash enclosure and that's my ignorance. >> It's around the back of that building. >> Is it? It's in the plans just
>> it's inside. So I northern side is that okay operationally? Yes. All of that refues usually it's the cardboard and and the compactors. So >> it's on the trucks >> truck. It'll it'll be kept with the trucks. Yes. Um I had asked questions of the engineer
who had answered quite a few of uh my uh questions and comments. The one question or comment that hasn't been touched is testimony shall be provided regarding impact of trucks using station road and I know you had mentioned the orientation
is to the west towards 130 but what is the impact um of trucks potentially using um station road heading out to the east? One of the things we did when we
collected our counts is we we um when we do that we we videotape the intersection. We count it. And what we did is we observe the traffic coming north. And and existing traffic is always very helpful to help us say, "All right, well, if there are warehouses to
the south that generate trucks and all those trucks come right past this site and and we can look at that behavior. What does it tell us in terms of predicting what the subject site might do? when when we looked at that truck activity coming north on Heightstown
Cranberry Station Road of I'll I'll just throw out some numbers. In the morning peak hour, we had 22 vehicles traveling north. 19 of them turned left, three turned
right. And I will say our traffic counter that compiled this, he counts school buses as a heavy vehicle or a truck. What I what I haven't been able to discern just yet is, you know, what we call a truck turning right very well may have been a school bus or even a
trash truck. So, and in the evening, it's the same pattern of 23 vehicles traveling north, 20 turned left to go to the west. So, to answer your question, Mr. print if if we had four trucks generated in in say a given hour by the
site I I you know I can't tell this board or anyone every single one of them will turn left but if we look at the patterns that have been established the the overwhelming majority will turn left station road is of course a county road um trucks are not prohibited
and if there happens to be a more local delivery obviously they could use that roadway but we expect that behavior to follow what's what's already occurred just to the south of us. >> And you had just mentioned that uh Station Road is a county road. The
intersection itself, the signalized intersection is under county jurisdiction. Are any of the uh improvements, the widening to Heightstown Cranberry Station Road impacting the intersection? And therefore, is
there uh county approval required for the widening as it goes up to the intersection? Do you know? Uh, I know my letter says it's under county jurisdiction. I'm not exactly sure if the widening that's proposed will impact and therefore require county
approval for the improvements at the intersection. >> It's not shown on the exhibit. I can't answer that question. Maybe maybe Mr. Grover can. >> But if it's required, you will go to the county. >> Absolutely. If there's any tinkering of the intersection where the county has
jurisdiction, yes, we'll engage with them >> and it probably any widening that's done may impact striping uh the storage lanes, the certainly the center line. So, I would recommend that these plans be uh submitted to the county. Let them
determine if they determine they have no interest that that's fine. But if they do have interest, let them review it and approve it. >> They they may have already been rooted to them. Just I don't know the board's practice. Every community does it differently, but yes, we will we will follow through with that. >> Thank you. >> We had a file for county planning board
approval, so they have them. >> Okay. >> What size trucks are being used here? The big ones. >> We we have designed for a 53 foot trailer and the design templates have assumed that they will all be over the
road sleeper cab. the the big interstate tractors just as an element of, you know, I'll say overdesign. Typically though, most local deliveries use a shorter tractor and so instead of it being a 62 foot wheelbase, they're 55s,
but we've designed everything for 62 in the in case one of them shows up. >> No, that makes sense. I mean, you you've addressed in your in your counts. I was very surprised only four trucks per hour. That is what operationally
what's the difference? >> It's it's um that data and I'm glad you saw that is for the peak hour of the street. >> What happens is most warehouses, distributors and the like that they shoe
going out at peak hours just because they're sitting idling in traffic. So >> they're doing it in >> in the middle of the day. >> They're busier. Now, >> it won't triple. It'll if if anything, it might, you know, double, but I mean, it's still >> still not very >> a low number by comparison. So, that's
that's why at peak hours, they tend to be a little bit. >> And conversely, the cars pretty much go away because they're already there. >> Correct. >> Okay. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Question. I actually have a question for I think Andrew. when the project the
warehouse um I'm sorry the warehouse buildings to the southoutheast and I know you weren't the the board's engineer on that the um on the other side to the southeast on the other side of the railroad tracks I think >> uh right I wasn't involved in that one
>> but one of the conditions of approval was to have no truck staging on on Cranberry Station Road and I'm wondering if you thought that that was something that would be appropriate here as Well, or if it doesn't matter because they're widening the road.
>> I understand what you're saying. I don't know that that's going to happen here to stage between station road and the driveway there. There's just not a lot of room for them to say use the shoulder and the shoulder is only going to be 5 ft. So, that would be blocking the road. That is likely a violation more than
anything else. If a policeman saw a truck in a 5- foot shoulder in the roadway, uh that would be a concern that would naturally go away with enforcement. We we we also had a different design,
you know, many years ago that didn't have this northern driveway and and the truck activity would have been concentrated more in the southwest. But I think out of those concerns about stacking within the lot that led to the development of segregating cars and
trucks and as a result if there was any staging to occur that's why we have you know this is 250 we've got a 500 tenth of a mile long driveway on site so that that situation never occurs on the
street I agree. Thank you for your time tonight. >> We just have our planner. >> Understandable. Sure. on one. >> So go ahead. We have 15 minutes. So let's say five minutes
each. Here's a microphone. >> You can put it on the stand if you prefer. Hold it. >> Yes. I'm Jennifer Setmire at 14 Scottsdale Court. Um I'm chair of the HPC, the Historic Preservation
Commission. Um I can't obviously consult with them about this right now, so I guess I'll just speak as my own personal views. Um, but I will say I, you know, I reviewed everything that, you know, we just went through with a sort of historical perspective in mind. So, I
just figured I would share a few comments. Um, all in all, I have to say that we've been very happy with uh the property owner um being very collaborative. He came and met with us like three years ago and I spoke with
him about a year ago as well. And I do believe that um he has the intent of preserving the the depot. What's exciting is that I was sharing that we just got um a certificate of eligibility from the state of New Jersey. Uh so with
a little bit more research and some more paperwork, we're we have, you know, on track to getting state and nationally uh recognized, which would be amazing, and adding it to the existing Camden Amboy Railroad Corridor. So, you know, HPC
worked really hard on that and, you know, we did it all because we really care about the neighbors. Um, it's really unfortunate and part of our application highlighted how the neighbors are really being surrounded by all these warehouses. And so, my main
comment when I look at all of these plans is just to recognize that um because not only are the neighbors living there, but also these historic structures. Um, so many of these properties in the hamlet are historic. Um, they're old and so having a lot of
activity around is not great for old houses, old properties. Um, we obviously are super concerned about the depot building and we're excited that it's going to get preserved. The one thing that I wish I could have seen with these plans is kind of like more of the
drawings around like what it would look like if it was kind of um you know artificially drawn green and like whether there'd be trees you know where they would be you know and really just in thinking about how can we um make
sure that not only um this area isn't just like a neglected spot like it is right now because right now when you drive by it's it's really sad. that it's like kind of a deteriorating building. There's, you know, things have been kind of semi-demolished. There's dust and
dirt everywhere. It's kind of messy. Um, so it would be really great to see kind of the vision for what that would look like. And I know the owner is, you know, interested in doing that. So, I think that'd be really great to see. Um, I think that, you know, HPC would love to work with them on the process for
rehabilitating the building. um we have a lot of great expertise um in that area. And the only other comment I would say is I do kind of wish the way the road is being widened, I wish it wasn't winded, but I understand that it
has to be. I wish it wasn't being widened just on the side where that strip of land with the depot is. Like I get why and how it was decided to do it that way. Um, but at the same time it sort of cuts into the space of where
that depot building was and it's already on like a teeny tiny piece of land. Um, and so, you know, if if people were to try to come in and meet up with someone there, if there's a picnic table for an employee or something, you know, you can't really like there's not much there
around it. So, it' be nice to have a little bit of buffering, I guess. Um, and then the other comment would be the I like how you set it up where the car traffic is further in because then, you
know, there's going to be more car fewer fewer trucks going down that way, which kind of interferes with the neighborhood that's there and the historic structures that are there. So, I like how that design was set up with the trucks on that. I guess it's the north side. I do
wish that this whole building was just further away from the neighborhood. Now, I'm not an expert in any of this and I'm sure there's a reason why it can't be, but that's just my opinion is that whatever can be done to keep that that the the building as far away physically
from the community and the history would be great. Um, those those are my comments. I I I appreciate the opportunity to talk tonight. >> The green area where she's talking about is that trees.
>> Well, you can see on the drawing that's up in front of you here. >> The light green area is finished grass >> and then the trees are shown in the line >> across the frontage. >> Right. And uh maybe this is where that requirement of the 75% evergreen comes
in a little bit stronger that maybe we should ask them to do additional landscaping over front. >> Yeah. Just like she was saying it's going to be all >> I mean there's a setback but it's not huge >> right >> and then they probably could move I mean the same building they could probably
move it back I don't know 20 feet or something at most. Uh that would be to discuss that. Uh but you know they kind of centered it. >> Yeah. Can I just You can't move it because pretty much
locked in the transment any that's kind of >> I do. >> Your name, please. >> My name is Marian Bosard. I'm um on 911 Hoy Reed Road um 40 years in that
location, Monroe resident on the opposite side of the street. I have one two-part question and one is uh the trucks will there be any trucks arriving after hours? I love that this is a Monday through Friday 6 to 4 operation. That's perfect. But will trucks
potentially be arriving after hours? And if so, will they be allowed to park on the uh owner's property even though the facility is not open? >> We we don't allow any >> and if Cranberry doesn't allow it on the
street, then we're covered. Okay, great. Um my one request is I really want to thank all of the questions that you have answered. I came with a long list and almost everyone has been answered both by you and by the uh developer and I appreciate their ongoing consideration
to how important that depot space is to us. So, the only thing I would ask is that the board make um a depot preservation enhancement plan a formal condition of approval on any or all of the um variances that are being
requested because certainly with the F variance um that isn't necessarily going to increase activity there but has the potential to do so. We think that's probably very important to their business operations. And we think by considering a formal consideration for
the depot and space around it preservation, it will provide that mutually beneficial um opportunity for from Cranberry's perspective for its residents and neighboring. Um and so that's really all that I have to say
about that and I just appreciate all the work you're doing so far. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Hello, I'm Deian Naparano, 92 Holly Reed Road. >> Yes. >> Um, thank you so much for listening to
me and thank you for hearing what's going on here. The Hamlet um of residences contains homes both in Cranberry and across the street in Monroe. Marian who just spoke is my neighbor across the street. Um it
contains assets deemed of historical value to Cranberry and the state now. And thank you Jennifer for for talking about that. Um, in a meeting several years ago with HBC, the owner representative was amenable to designing
an agricultural looking facade that was kind of in keeping with the neighborhood and the the significance and I won't speak to it here, but Cranberry Station as a historically significant site in the um Camden Amboy Railroad, the first
accident occurring not far from here with um John Quincy Adams on the train. I mean, there's a lot going on in that area. Um, so I remember talking about having a facade that was more in keeping. Maybe it was barnlike, not just
a big flat wall facing the historic hamlet. So, that's that's a concern. Sorry, I have a couple of notes. Um, so one of the things that I know this may not be the appropriate board, but we ask
for screening. I know we have to we're this is a planning board issue but not only as a permanent buffer but while construction progresses because I just want to make note although people say they will during demolition of the
Chamberlain Barkley properties the buildings that were there and there are still some there to come down. There were no protections made um to protect the hamlet, the residents, the homes there. We received debris blowing and um
a lot of issues. So, I know this isn't the appropriate board, but also buildings were removed that had provided a buffer between residences and not just the historic Hamlet residences, but all of the residents in Stratford in Monroe
and there are hundreds of them just a block away. Um, that those buildings of Chamberlain and Barkley were removed. They had provided a buffer between the turnpike and all of those homes. Now, I remember Linda Greenstein kind of fighting for us to get the turnpike when
it was expanded to put some buffering in there, but because there were so few residents at that time, it was deemed unnecessary. Now, there are many, many more homes in this area. So, the buildings that were taken down are not
replaced by green grass here. See, there's no buffer there between the turnpike and the residences across the street. It's just green grass. And we lost a tree line and we lost major buildings.
I'm sorry. I think the also the entrance. Um I I know we're talking a lot about this north entrance, but I don't understand and perhaps the board can look into this
a little bit more. why it can't be from Station Road. The um truck traffic making the right turn from Station Road onto Heightstown, Cranberry Station Road. Um it it's it's I just see it's
going to be an issue. I live I live here. It's going to be an issue with other this this entrance is an issue. I don't understand why it can't be from here because trucks that come here to go way
down here to Amazon or Wayfair um are coming through here. Um secondly, I know that just two more points. I'm sorry. Um the the road conditions right now in Heightstown Cranberry Station Road have
been demolished by the storm and the Department of Public Works has been phenomenal coming out with cold patch. If this developer widens this road, it becomes the responsibility of the town to maintain it. This is the question.
Right now, the town is not maintaining this road to it. It's a big problem with tractor trailers going over cavernous potholes because of the storm. The town's doing the job it can with
this kind of weather, but what happens when the road is wider? Um, I know. Can you help me out? I'm think of my last thing. I'm forgetting it. But, um, anyway, uh, that's there are other things that I I wanted to say. Maybe the planning board is the right
place, but I appreciate that you please look into this. >> Let me start with the access directly from Station Road. Uh, there's a bridge there and there's elevation. Uh, number one, it' be very, very difficult to have a truck entrance that will come from
such a high point down to the site. >> I understand. >> In addition to that, that's adding additional driveway along the county road, and the county is not going to allow that between the signal and the bridge. >> Then perhaps consider
>> perhaps consider a way for trucks to be able to pass each other there. I know you're saying it's not necessary, but perhaps reconsider it. Um, just come out and spend a couple hours. Don't worry about the traffic counting thing. Come and just sit there and watch what's
happening right now. >> And when you say trucks to pass, you mean along station road. >> Let's say it's no along Heightstown station Road approaching the new entrance, the proposed entrance, the north entrance. >> Okay.
>> Just take a look. Okay. Thank you so much. >> I'm sorry. >> Oh, I'm sorry. One one the >> I know. But the other thing is that the the depot um I love this idea that the
and we are so excited about the depot if it's continued to be owned by the property owner. but um used by the town. What happens when the property is sold or is no longer owned by that property
owner? If the town wants to um value that asset, we have to think about the future of it. >> You could always grant an easement to the town and it would run with the land forever regardless of who own the land. >> That makes sense and should be considered.
>> Yep. >> Yes. But please please And the idea that things are in violation and then the police will come out and tell people that they can't park there.
From my experience, that's not a good solution. It does. It's been a problem. The property owner has made it so trucks don't idle there now or sleep overnight. But it had been a historic problem and
the police were um you know somewhat helpful but then kind of throw up their hands. >> I'll answer the maintenance uh question. The the road is in bad condition. I've driven it and there's a lot of trucks using it. What's going to be done here
with the widening? They're going to have to pave the road to new township standards. So, it's not only going to be maintained, it's going to be a new road widened to uh current standards of 34T being uh 17t on either side, 12t lanes,
and uh 5ft shoulders. All of that will be new. Then after that, the town will have to maintain the wider road, but that new road uh will have a lifespan of I know there's trucks on it, so there's no guarantees, but it should have a new
lifespan of 15, 20, 30 years uh if done uh to standard and appropriately done. The maintenance of it now is very difficult because of the lack of rightway and because of the uh alignment around the building. >> They can't close it to allow cold patch
even to set up properly. >> If they were to close even half the road, that would mean the truck traffic to the warehouses now would have to alternate and that would back up. And that was one of my questions during um the engineers testimony to make sure that it's phased properly, that the work
is done, that the roadway is maintained because there are the warehouses to the south and they require this path. So that has to be taken into account when they uh phase the work on of the road improvements. >> I understand. Okay. Thank you so much.
What's the date? >> April 8th. >> No, that's Easter week. I'll be away. >> May 6th. >> Yes. May 6th. >> Okay. Mr. Chair, we should entertain a oral motion second.
on May 6 and tell everybody here that there's not going to be another letter or notice. This is your notice come back on. >> Okay. >> Anyone want to make >> I'll second it.
>> All in favor? >> I >> All right. Motion second to adjurnn. All in favor say I. I. >> Thank you.