Um, does anyone have I should Thank you so much. >> Everybody ready? >> Good evening. I'm going to call this meeting to order. The date is November 13, 2025. This is our city commission
regular meeting as well as our CRA meeting. Thank you all for being here this evening. I'm going to ask if you would, Commissioner Moore, if you would lead us in the invocation and then the pledge for allegiance. Please stand if you are a Let's bow our heads. Dear heavenly
father, once again, we're here and Lord, we ask that you look upon us tonight. We ask that you continue to give us grace and mercy to do thy blessed will. We ask that you be with us and help us to make those decisions that are good for everyone. Help us to be grateful and
help us to do be honest and do those things that would be pleasing in your sight. Then Father God, we ask you to look upon everyone that's here on today. Have mercy upon us. Give us grace and give us peace. We'll forever praise your name. All these blessings we ask in our son Jesus name. Amen.
>> Amen. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
>> Thank you everyone. And with that clerk I'm going to ask you if you please do a roll call for us. Commissioner Leo >> present. Commissioner William >> present. Commissioner Linda Moore >> here. >> Commissioner Cynthia Burton >> here.
>> City Manager Derek Martin >> here. >> City Attorney Don Holmes >> here. >> Crescent City Fire Chief Joe Razer >> here. >> Pep County Sheriff's Office Major David Userie >> here. >> Finance Director Steve Conklin >> here.
>> And Mayor Myers present. Thank you. Thank you everyone for being here tonight. We have quite a few um announcements tonight. I guess it's that holiday season. So, let me start off with the Cresant City Library is having a birthday party. And I don't know if
you've been in the library since they've remodeled, but you definitely should stop in. It's Saturday, November 15th from 9 to 12:30. They're having a presentation by the Jacksonville Zoo and Botanical Gardens, and it's hosted by the Crescent City Library Board. Again,
that's November 15th. The Crescent City Women's Club is going to have a bunko again and that's November 19th. They're doing this every third Wednesday from 1 to three. The cost is $6. Snacks and drinks will be available for a minimal
charge. And then we've got the um fall speaker series for the Peninsula Historical Society. And this time the speaker is going to be Tommy Bird. and he is has rare finds a global bottle collector.
It's going to be November 20th at 400 p.m. and that is at the women's club. Um they use that facility. He is a sixth generation native of Crescent. I think that's city. He retired after 22 years from the US Coast Guard and then
returned to Crescent City where he worked 17 years in Forest Grove Firmary. He's an avid bottle collector and he's going to talk about that. Bob Lee will be the one to interview Tommy about his bottle collecting. You don't want to miss that. Crescent City Woman's Club is
doing their their bingo. They do this the third Friday of every month. It's $20 for dinner and bingo. Don't be late. Door opens at 5:00. Bingo starts at 5:45. The jackpot payout is $50. You
must be 18 years of age to participate. And then we've got our Christmas lot. And I don't know if any of you remember from last year, but the Church of the Holy Comforter, um the Episcopal Church right here by the fire station, they did the beautiful Christmas lot last year,
and they're going to open it up this year starting um November 23rd. They'll have fresh cut Frasier fur, Christmas trees, and gift baskets. And then we've got our extension agent uh our extension agent Julio Perez and
he is going to um with our monthly program on gardening. He will be here November 26 at the Crescent City Public Library. Um and it's a free monthly gardening workshop on square foot gardening and learn how to grow more
vegetables in less space. This is for beginners and se seasoned gardeners alike. And then everyone's invited to card making class and this is at How Memorial United Methodist and that's December 2nd
starting at 6:30. Um there is a $25 charge and you must register to ensure that you have enough supplies. We've got the number should anybody um need that and it has it's at 6:30 in the evening. And then the First Presbyterian Church,
we're moving into December. This is December 6th. Saturday from 9 to 2 they're doing their annual silver tea Christmas bazaar. Make sure you stop in. They have a lot of um baked goods, Christmas decorations, and handmade
crafts. It's going to be again from 9 to 2 and it's in the Warner Fellowship Hall at the Presbyterian Church. Piano music will be provided by D. Goulby and Wright Simmons. And then that same day, it's going to be
a big day here in Crescent City. Starting at noon is going to be our um to at noon is going to be our Crescent City Holiday Parade and that starts at um South State Bank. We're going to line
up down Magnolia. Please, if it's a local business, local organizations, school groups, church groups, nonprofits, anybody, please make sure to reach out to us. And we'd love to have you in the parade. And also starting at 12:00 is the holiday market, which is
brought to us by our Crescent City Downtown Partnership. That's going to start in Eva Lion Park at noon. They will have vendors. There will be food booths. And it's going to go till 700 p.m. And then at 5 that evening, we're
going to have the light up Crescent City. There'll be live holiday music, holiday dance recital, and tree lighting. They'll be offering free cookies and hot cocoa. And I am pleased to announce that all the trees have lights in them.
Um, we still have to work on the trunks, but the trees all have lights in them. So, we will be ready to go that evening. And then How Memorial is having their Christmas bazaar flea market. I'm telling you, it's a busy time of the year. Friday and Saturday, December 12th
and 13th, um from 8 to 2:00, and there is going to be a breakfast at 8:00 a.m. to 11:00, lunch from 11 to 2. Reserve your space. It's a 10x10 space. You can contact Frank Murray.
They've also are having their old-fashioned Christmas caroling December 12th from 2020 on 2025 at 7 pm. They'll meet in the church parking lot. There'll be light refreshments um served afterwards. They're going to I believe
um up and down that area. They will be doing their Christmas caroling and then they've had the um I think that's the same old fashionist Christmas caroling. It's the same. And then Pastor Hobbs is going to talk to us a little
bit I think tonight. He is also doing Christmas caroling. Um and that's going to be December 5th, which is a Friday, the Friday before the light up, they'll be meeting in Eagle Lion Park. So, we have a lot going on. I am pleased to announce also, for those of you who
weren't aware, we had our first annual bike fest here in Crescent City um two weeks ago, about two weeks ago. It was um big accolades to um Anna from Three Bananas. Um she is the Eevee chair for
the downtown uh Crescent City partnership and she really spearheaded this along with a lot of volunteers. Pablo, he is in the audience. Um he helped out. Our school band was there.
They performed. It was an incredible day. Rachel did all of the uh printing for it. It took a lot of hard work, but we were told that based on the estimates, we had what was it? Probably over 2,000 bikes that were here in
Crescent City with over 4,000 people, probably upwards to about 4,500 people in Crescent City. And it was a beautiful day. I am pleased to also share, thank you to our sheriff's office, that with
all of that activity, all of those people, um, there was not one incident. There was not one incident. So, I'm very proud that this city and commissioners, I know you are as well, and for the people in in our city, our residents, and those that
visited our city, um, they took special care of everything that day. So, thank you. Big shout out to all those volunteers. There's so many of them, we can't name them all. Um, and as far as the lights, I do want to thank uh
Lisa Rodenberry. She has been um by my side the entire way. She's usually there before I even show up. We have Cheryl Galvitz has been out there. Um, Liz has been out there. Paty has been out there.
And of course, Cecil um has been out there and um and our staff has been out there helping and so it's been um a labor of love, but it's coming together. So, thank you. Commissioners, do you have any announcements that we have?
>> Anybody have an announcement? >> Okay. One, two. Thank you so much. >> Okay. >> I would just like to say that the bike fest was amazing. It was really cool to see so many people come to town. It was such a beautiful day and everyone really seemed like they were having a great time. And I know I think all of us were out there at one point or another except
for Commissioner Peter who was out the country. But it was um it was a beautiful day and some of the pictures were really great. They were online. It really made our town look great. >> It it really I I have to say yes. We walked around very felt very proud very
proud that day of our city and and all of our volunteers and because believe me it took a lot to put that on. um and the businesses that came together like I said Pablo with Parker House he was a big help um Three Bananas our restaurants and that's one of the big
things with having these events is we're trying to expose the community to what we offer here and the restaurants were packed that day could not um had a hard time keeping up with with the demand which is great for them as well. So,
with that, if we have no other um no other announcements, I'm going to go ahead and we're going to go into approval of the minutes. We've got October 7th, 2025 um workshop fire station. Um I believe that Commissioner Devito
had sent out a few changes on this. Um Um Yes, I did. So, those were distributed Did everybody have a chance to look at those by chance? >> Yeah. Okay. Um and so would you like me
to just quickly go through those? Mayor, >> you those um I think a couple things I had a question about. I had um I had sent some questions last Monday to
the city manager for things I wasn't sure about. But anyway, um and I have to say these are very well organized minutes and very easy to read. Um >> very well done. Very well done. Um but there there are some things that I think
um need either corrected or added. Um under item number five, it's I hand number the pages. Um under proclamation and edits, uh it's my recollection that the revisions presented to the memorial
proclamation were both from me and Commissioner Lorie, >> if that's okay with Commissioner Lori. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, we're going to add Commissioner Lori where it says Commissioner Devito and Commissioner Lori. >> Yes, because I think we had pretty much the same ones in mind.
>> Okay. >> Um down number six on the same page under workshop discussion, fire department expansion project. Um this is somewhat optional, but in the third line, it talks about the initial million
dollars. That might be helpful. I'm sure we mentioned it somewhere to say what year that was. Um, and then the fourth one, Lauren Tingle. Um, I think we mentioned that she was with the whatever the name is now, but the Florida
Department of Banking and Insurance. Yes. Right. And I think that's important because that's we talked about it and it's more specific. She's not the only grant specialist. Um on the next page at the very bottom
under current site considerations the very first line um the word eucalyptus obviously that's should should capitalize >> it should yes it should correct
because it runs east west right okay so bottom of page three capitalize eucalyptus and substitute avenue for Um very next page um down towards the bottom where the
heading is timeline and next steps. Um on the second line it says key deadline of January 30th 2027 to execute the grant agreement. Um I would insert there because we talked about this and it's a
key requirement. the city must be able to demonstrate site ownership to execute the agreement. I mean that that's a you know important point for future reference ready for next page.
Okay. So, the next page, which is the last page, um, under commission direction, um, says a follow-up workshop was scheduled. I think we requested it. We did not have
a date. Um, and I wrote at the end of that sentence when the city manager has sufficient information available. But I think the most important thing is to say requested as opposed to schedule because we didn't schedule it. Um and then um
under number seven when Dixie update the second paragraph um I believe that that was Commissioner Lori not Commissioner Burton suggesting organizing a community forum >> since because I don't even know. Okay.
um because I think Commissioner Burton may have asked not to be present for that part. And then that same paragraph, the next the last line says Chamber President Laura, I believe her last name is Cathus, P A B L U S.
Okay. And then under number eight, u the workshop was journed at approximately 2:55. The commission is scheduled to reconvene at 3:30 p.m. And I just added for a special meeting, not for the same workshop. Um and that was what I had for
the prior station workshop. >> Yeah. I think we just remove the commission for reconvene because we weren't >> we weren't recessing that. >> Right. So just that calls after. >> All right. So instead of adding
anything, just put a period after 2:55 p.m. and that's very accurate and more brief. >> Okay, let's move on to if we can to October 7th, 2025, that's special meeting by the city commission.
>> Yes. Um so on the first page, uh my suggestion would be um since it was a city commission meeting, um that the commissioners should um be listed first under the roll call
since word's needed for the quorum. Um then under the list of staff present um I think the word processing it should be Keith Harris >> and not Kate Harris. >> Yes. Thank you. Electronic word
processing. Um anyway, >> that's a good suggestion. We'll have we'll have to give it a try. Okay. Um the next page number five, purpose of meeting. Um
>> can I answer before that? >> Yes. >> The motion to not telemize. It said explain that employees requested the meeting not be televised despite prior advertisement that it would be and that actually >> changed right I had I put that in my in my changes as well.
>> It was advertised that it would not be stream. >> Yeah. >> That would not be taking place online. It only be in person like it says at the top. >> Yes, I remember that. So just not would have to be added and
there would not be stream. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um purpose of meeting. Um I believe this was a special meeting specifically called by the mayor. Um so after Mayor Myers stated, I added that
she called the special meeting and then deleted was called after that just to make it clear that it was a special meeting caused by the mayor. And then in the second line, um, I think the word discomfort is not
really the right word. Dissatisfaction seems more accurate. Their topic was staff dissatisfaction. Um, I just think that's more accurate. Um,
again, very easy to read minutes. Um, under number eight, staff statements. Um, I don't know that there's any better way to say this or do it, but under item B, the assistant city manager, CRA
manager, the first bullet, um, said citing unprofessional conduct during meetings. I really didn't I don't remember. >> Staff meetings. >> Oh, during staff meetings. Oh, there you go. Thank you. So just um after the word
during insert the word staff >> and it also says that she prepared statement where she did not unless she could read it without >> um I know she had them but I'm not sure. >> I just recall making eye contact.
>> Yeah. >> Well, she she seemed well organized. I I don't think it's horribly inaccurate. I'm fine with how it how it reads. >> I'm I am as well. Um let's see. I think
that's all I had for that page. Oh, and um on the next page, that would be page four under item 10, commissioner and mayor remarks. Um I think both there are three bullets um
with comments from Commissioner Burton, Commissioner Ward and Mayor Myers. I think Commissioner Lori had something to say. I remember specifically and I wrote this uh to be added that I thanked Christina Marie for her contributions and I wish her well in the future. I
would like for that to be added because I distinctly remember that. >> Madam clerk, can we capture their statements if there was one? Thank you. >> Um that's pretty close
and I don't Yeah. So something then on the next page um under 12 additional discussion the very last paragraph that starts she also mentioned the recent loss of Ronnie
Grant. I think it would be more clear to say resignation. >> Um >> yeah so >> just that that could be taken >> yes >> differently. Um, and then after key
employee, I inserted public works department. That's not necessary, but it's more clear. Um, then number 13 under discussion, city hall stucker repairs. Um, the second paragraph, it
says, uh, Katherine Lard added context. I'm pretty sure that was my comment, don't you? >> Yes. >> Um, because I'm the one with the stuckco house. >> Yes. >> Okay. And that was what I had before. That was the special meeting.
>> Let's move on. Did anybody have any other changes to this? >> Okay. Did you have do you have changes? >> Not to that one. I have all my ch all the changes that I had were taken care of. >> Okay. And somewhere we have one more meeting, right?
>> We have the um October 9th, 2025. >> Okay. Um here we go. And again, same super organization under pledge of allegiance. Um, you I think it could just say the mayor led the pledge of allegiance at a prior
workshop. Uh, I think the commission made the request that we not have that phrase was recited by all present for reasons that we discussed then not being necessary. So I would delete was recited by all president just
present and say mayor led. We don't honestly we don't even have to have anything. Just the pledge of allegiance. >> I mean that that speaks for itself. The pledge of allegiance. >> Okay, that's fine with me. >> Um >> sometimes I don't. Sometimes someone
knows a little faster than I am. >> That's true. That's true. Um okay. Under roll call. Um I don't know. I think it's adequate to say the clerk. Um,
and that sentence, um, I think you could strike everything after the board's roll call and just say the clerk conducted roll call and it shows who was present and who was not. Um, and then, um,
at the end of that paragraph, absent, um, Keith Harris's last name is missing. I like the way it is where it says present and absent just so it >> Right. But that's what I'm saying. You just say roll call and then it shows
who's present absent. I wasn't suggesting that they change that. Just delete with the following members present. >> Okay. >> Because we're not all members of the same group. >> Um announcements. Y. Um under
announcements. Um, the last paragraph it says, "Additional announcements were provided by Commissioner Devito." Um, I took out my name and just put others because I don't think I was the only one with some of those announcements.
>> That's That's what I thought. So, is that okay just to put >> And Liz did the library or Nancy did the library books. Okay, fine. Just cross that out for that. There's >> Okay, I did not have the market on announcements. Um, >> public comment.
>> Comment. I got the wrong part. >> Oh, there you go. >> The first part and the second part. >> I did not touch that. Yeah. >> Nope. >> Right. Okay. So you're saying um in the
second line take out Johnson's Overchur Park because we don't have S Park. It's in front of the funeral home and Eva Lion Park. >> And the motion is that Commissioner. >> Oh my goodness. Right. So under the motion, Eva Lion,
not Johnson over. And I don't know if there was a date mentioned. I have no idea if just said Sunday. I guess it was the Sunday following the meeting. >> Yeah. So that's that's where that's when it was. So
>> um Okay. And I did not have anything else on that page. >> No, they're on the on the next page. Okay. There are number five exchange student recognition. Um one student has the last name, the
other does not. I don't know if that's available. I Yeah, I have the list somewhere. >> It's not on. >> It's not on record. >> I think he introduced it. It's his name was difficult. So, I think that's why he went with Alex. >> I was going to say he's right. Yeah.
He's from Romanian, so that would not be easy. >> They had their first Halloween here and they were very excited to have it. >> Yeah. No, it was nice to have that. That's fine. Um, number six, sheriff's report. The very last paragraph um has error in Major Estster's last
name. Should be a U to start, not a E. Um then the next page under CRA status updates. Um in the second paragraph, the lock side
is spelled with a K. It should be an H L O C H. And it says brewing project. It's the Lockside End restaurant. >> No, I've already gotten some comments wondering if we're putting a brewery in. There's a brewery going into town.
>> Oh, okay. I I think it's the lock side in restaurant. Will we be right about that? >> Okay. Um and then um the paragraph that immediately follows the CRA board recess. Don't we adjourn?
>> Yeah. Okay. So I replaced recessed was adjourned. Um and then under business items um we had the motion to approve the special event application. Um and actually
it just occurs to me was that the downtown partnership asking for that event to be approved. >> They were asking for the holiday market as the holiday market. The city's doing the Christmas parade and they're doing the holiday. No, I'm still up on Yara. >> Uh, that was the downtown. Yes.
>> Okay. Cuz actually it doesn't say who asked for that. Okay. Somewhere it should say downtown partnership. Um, and then if we could add somewhere in there, I don't think I was the only one. Um, I know I requested coordination
with residents for access to their homes and I think that was mentioned by others. Mayor, did you not speak to that also? >> Um, they just talked to him. I think him said that he was going to make sure that he had reached out to them.
>> Okay. So, can we just say it was agreed um to coordinate with residents for access to their homes? >> Yes. Okay. It was agreed to coordinate with residents for access to their homes. Okay. Because we did talk about
that. It's important. Um then down under C Christmas Parade and Holiday Market. Um Christmas parade scheduled for December 6 at noon. Um that instead of Sunset Park, it should be South State Bank parking lot. I think that's the
machine picking it up. And then not Eveine, but Eva Lion >> and also Holiday Market. It's got It should be Eva Lion. Um and then when I looked at this I realized um
also when we had a commission meeting on approval of a number of minutes um we specifically asked for motions to be stated as they were said and also separately. This section here combines
two motions. The motion for the parade and holiday market and they're very separate things. I wrote it out should be separate motions also reflect the event sponsor and who was requesting because it's my understanding the city is sponsoring a parade. Is that correct?
>> Yes. >> Right. And the mayor to organize Mary and Bradley of Crescent City Rotary and then second the holiday market. That was a permit request um from the downtown partnership. So the
motion was to approve the permit request. So >> correct >> yes >> not Bradley >> but no I'm sorry I went to school with Maryanne Bradley.
Sorry about that long time ago. Okay that was all I had for that page. Um, under number 10, staff reports.
>> Does anybody have anything for the following page? Um, with nine and with nine. Does anybody have anything? Nine. Okay. Go ahead. >> Okay. Um, under BDP consent order, and this is something I had a question about. The city manager said the options
that might be available to us. Um, did we have state any kind of consensus or vote on what the preferred option was? >> No, we did not. Okay. All right. Maybe we just talked about it. Then also on
that same page, um, very last item D, it says new moon, not launch, it should be lodge. Um, and I suggested putting in the address that's 107 North Main Street, but that's not completely necessary,
but it definitely should be New Moon Lodge. That was all I had for that page. So, under city manager report, second paragraph, um, this was your item. So, if you're happy with it,
that's fine with me. But you said it says noted financial review items, and I took out financial review and said items of concern in the latest income and expenditure statement. >> That's mine. Okay. And I don't know, I added
something about the 300 um library funds, but I think we can cross that out. That's not really necessary. You just highlighted what it was unless it was your item. Um, also my question is, uh, I believe we
had a city attorney update and I don't see anything mentioned in the minutes about that, but I believe we had a city attorney update. Did we not? >> We did. >> Okay. Um,
so that should be mentioned. Well, I believe it was the update about the employee complaint. That is my recollection. And then I notice under adjournment it says the meeting adjourned at approximately 10:30 p.m. Um but I don't see didn't wouldn't we have
had a motion to extend a meeting? >> We would have and I have that too but um I I think it was 9:30. It just probably felt like 10:30 to them. >> Oh, so we Yes. >> Did we adjourn at 9:30? >> I believe we did.
>> Okay. Well, fine. Okay. So in other words, just correct the time of adjournment. >> Y. >> Okay. Is that it? Does anybody else have anything else? If not, I'll entertain a motion, please. >> I move that we approve the three sets of
minutes with the corrections mentioned for the October 7th workshop meeting, October 7th special meeting, and October 9th regular meeting. >> Do I have a second? >> I'll second. Okay, we have a proper motion and a second. Commissioners, all
in favor, please say I. I nay. >> Okay, so moved and approved. Now, we're going to move on to our public comment section. This is on topics that are not already listed on the agenda. Um, they'll be heard at this time. Please
come forward. State your name and your address if you will. You'll have three minutes. I'm just going to be driving auntie Taylor's extended north summit. Uh we had a book sale the same weekend as the bike fest and it was very
successful. But um what I wanted to say is that we have a new flag and a new line on top the flag pole so it doesn't have to be brought in every day. It can stay out at night and our lamp posts have already been repainted with new globes and new lights and they're lighting up the parking lot. They're
really pretty. So if you go by at night, check out our new lamp. >> Thank you. That was awesome. >> I like your shirt, by the way. >> That was awesome. Thank you. Do we have any other comments? Any other public comments? Please come forward. >> Yes, Chief
Joe Razer. Fire Chief Ferndale. U just wanted to address a couple concerns. Um I know rumor gets around towns and places. Your fire department has dealt with some pretty significant calls over the past couple weeks. Excuse me. And I just wanted to let everybody know that
we have made uh arrangements for them to get mental health. We we're doing buddy systems. We rotated some staff around and check on everybody. So, at the current moment, everybody's okay, but I've been getting asked. I just wanted to clarify that we are working with the guys. Everybody's in good shape. Um but
just keep in mind that's a that's a day in the fire service and we deal with some stuff that a lot of people don't quite understand. So, but um currently the fire department's in good shape. If anybody has any other questions about that, please reach out to me. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. We did
have a few losses last week. Sad. So, thank you for making sure that they're taken care of. Do we have any other any other comments? Seeing nobody else come forward, I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to close out our public comment section and we're
going to open it up to the sheriff's office, Major Userie. Mayor Commission. Good evening. >> Good evening. >> So, I'll go through our report quick. I just first of all want to say to everybody that's out there watching on social media how my guys had a blast
over these last couple events you guys had. They were sending pictures over the weekend and the community really made them feel alive. and to the commission. We appreciate the uh effort that you have put into these events and also to everybody that's out there watching today. Thank you for so much for taking
care of our guys. It's uh some sad times and places we're in right now and to have that type of support, it it goes, you know, it goes a long way. So, we thank you for that. >> Moving into >> I didn't I do want to say before you get started and I apologize that I did not
the trunk retreat was outstanding. >> Oh, yes. I forgot about that. Yeah, >> I know. And you were there this year. >> You were there this year and again without incident. Um and there were children everywhere and adults and it was um a fun time as always. And thank
you to you, your staff, sheriff, >> she does a fantastic job with that stuff. So I know she's working with you now for the uh the parade coming up. We're way ahead of time for the parade coming up. So we're all looking forward to it. It's already been fully stashed and we're just ready for you to give you
the thumbs up and we'll make everything happen. >> If we did a count or an idea of how many kids were there cuz I mean I just saw cars coming. >> She said when I asked her at the end of the evening, Holly said she thought there was maybe 2,000.
Last year we had like about 1,500. I felt like we were a little down. We were down this year. Um the homes were down this year. Um, you can always Herman and Gail had 500 packets that they gave out and >> I know I sat there for days and watched
Holly and she had to take her time doing it. But you seen Have you seen those little bitty bags? She had those little Ziploc bags. She done every one of those by herself. She was sitting there between times while she was doing other things on the phone with people and she's sitting there bagging candy. I'm like, I don't know how you do it. She got a big sack of
>> Yeah. And that's how and that's how she keeps count is how many baggies that she get how many baggies she's handing out. Um but um you know there were we don't know how many children and it went right till 8:00 and I'll tell you 8:00 it shut
down. I mean it was amazing. We had no more after that. So >> I want to clarify the minutes where it says how many baggies you're handing out. >> I was thinking about that about the baggies. I was thinking about that. So anyway, go ahead. >> So we had a burglary. It was kind of an
interesting one at 405 Citron. This house is kind of in and out. I say abandoned. The property owner had been there in some time. They came and found some kind of weird items missing. We had someone two of our suspects in this. It's kind
of weird how this all unfolded, but basically somebody was breaking into the house. They seen him coming out the window. So they seen him coming out the window. They said, "Well, we'll go in there, too." We interviewed him. He obviously he denies it. He's a local around here. We end up getting him on some different charges later on. Good as
it does. And we have charged juveniles with going home and getting some consumable items. So on the traffic activity, nothing really significant. Everything was mostly in parking lots backing up in the vehicle. Very minor stuff. All the uh traffic
crash reports were what we call short forms. So basically the way that works is if it's under a certain amount of damage there's no injury we don't assure basically exchange of information and let people handle with their insurance company. So really nothing that uh too drastic which is a good thing. Moving to
some of the data meat and potatoes that you want to see 256 calls for service 7200 traffic stops five traffic accidents. Again they were all in parking lots. 14 actual incident reports, seven arrest, and two charging days before the
state attorney's office. That was on those two juveniles in the house. We had one burg even more city and that's all I have.
>> Okay. Did we commissioners does anybody have a question or for major good? >> That was a good night. Well, thank you. >> That's a good night. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Thank you for all you do and your staff. >> You're welcome. And I look forward to
the parade coming up. That's always fun. So, sure there'll be more. >> We'll make sure we get all those cones. >> Perfect. >> Okay. With that, we're going to go ahead and I'm going to at this time I'm going to recess our regular schedule meeting and I'm going to open up our CRA meeting. Um, and we have a special guest
with us tonight. >> Yes, we do. Thank you, Mayor. >> Mr. Edward, if you could come up and and talk to the commission. We'd love to meet you, hear about your story, and then we'll get down to business. Good evening.
I wasn't expecting this. Sorry. I'm delighted to be here. I'm delighted to say we should be open for today. Um Edward and his son Christopher are they are the um proprietors of Lockside and
they have put their heart and soul into this and we're at we're at the final stretch done and they just take up to >> um and he did bring for all of us. I have to share them. I know.
>> Well, I wondered about that. Yes. Scott is shortbread from Scotland >> and so I'll think about that as we go into the meeting. >> Shortbread. Everybody loves shortbread. So that's for everybody. >> So thank you. Do you want to talk to us
a little bit about this? >> Thank you. So knowing that uh that had some issues and difficulties with the state and they were finally moving forward past those problems and issues with St. John's River Water Management and we approved the plans. Um, just recently I had
reached out to Chris, his son, and uh, and Mr. Edward showed up at the office out of the blue and I was like, "This is a great opportunity." And we had a great conversation. Um, the reason for myself to to reach out was to get an updated quote. Um, because their paving
contract, which was approved last year, had been about a year old now. Um, so we needed an updated uh, permit for the grant. And of course, if the cost was going to increase, I needed to include that and have that for you all. The original grant was for the asphalt work um in front of the parking lot, of
course, to $34,200. Um that cost has now increased uh to $47,400. And I believe that also is the match uh that you're going to be paying as well. Um there was another quote that was a
little bit less, but Mr. Edward, if you could speak to that just real quickly um summarize why the increase. >> Hello. We're speaking with the contractor. They say that they could do the pay work to some of the patches and cover it up, but it would come through.
If they went with the other contract, it' be a whole new parking lot. Okay. So would have to deal with that >> everything would be brand new >> resurfacing >> brand new. Yes. Versus patch work and other other work. So I am requesting
after review an approval to move forward with this and allow them to start the work. Uh and correct me if I'm wrong sir but he has the contractor lined up and can start getting the paving parking lot completed next week. And as you heard, uh, February is the
time that they're looking to open. >> Commissioners, do we have um, is there any questions that you have? >> I do, Mayor. Okay. I have a couple questions. So, >> and you've all got you should have these quotes, >> right? So, these these are in front of
us. Okay. That was the old quote. So, we're only being asked to fund >> one grand. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I didn't see. >> So, it's old and new. So this is what we appre we approve. >> Okay. I I got >> So So basically we're being asked to
approve an updated amount. >> Yes. >> Okay. And as I understand it, the $47,000 that's our share and because the total cost I believe is almost $100,000,800.
Okay. >> And it's a 5050 split in this grant. >> Right. Okay. So that's our share and this is coming out of the North CRA, right? >> The North CRA redevelopment portion of the of the budget. Yes, ma'am. >> Right. And that uh the last time I
looked, I don't have it in front of me. Um do we know what the total amount in the north cra that line item specific was around or a little bit above $250,000? >> But yes, that's our our best one. And
are we anticipating any more grade requests for this um project >> for this particular particular project at this time? No, ma'am. >> Okay. >> In this FYI, >> no. >> No, ma'am. >> Okay. Um well, great news. Um that's all
those are all my questions. Well, I do have one more question. So, this is going to be complete asphalt paving. There's not going to be any imperous um surface. I mean, not impervious. Sorry. Thank you, Commissioner Lori. No pvious
surface in this parking lot. And I will speak to that. We also have Mark Caret here who can speak a little bit. He's seen the design. We just finished working on the landscaping and and parking lot design. But I would say that the existing impervious area is going to be replaced in kind with asphalt paving
to bring it up to speed uh and take out the bad bad concrete bad parking lot. So I wouldn't imagine an increase in imperous surface area because they would not have the the the grace that they had from St. John's Water Management District. So So they're going to maintain the footprint that's there
right now. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And is that correct, Mark, to your recollection? >> Substantially correct. Thank you very much. >> Okay, we have any other questions? >> No questions. Okay, commissioners. Um
>> I I move that we approve the um CRA grant for $47,400 which represents 50% of the giving project from the Lockside Nature LLC from the North CRA grant fund >> and I'll second that. Okay. Can you
possibly add that since we've already previously approved this the updated quote? Um >> yeah, >> it's an updated quote. a reauthorization I guess. >> So originally it was 342. >> Yes.
>> And we are now giving him a little more money. >> I think Commissioner Roy I'm sorry. >> Yes. >> Um Commissioner Roy I like the use of the word that's reauthorization
>> of the grant for an increased amount. allowed to be budget and start over. I move that we reauthorize the grant to the Lockside Nature LLC for a increased cost of 47,400
which represents 50% of Haven project at the facility at one2 North Summit Street and 124 Street. >> Okay. And Commissioner Vito. Yes, I'll second that. >> So, commissioners, we have a proper motion and a second. Do we have um any
further discussion? >> If not, I will open it up for public comment if anybody has any believe. >> So um nobody no public comment for this.
I'll close public comment then. And um Madame Clerk, if you would please do a roll call for us. >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Lorie. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Devito. I >> Mayor Meyers >> I Okay, so approved and again we thank
you for the investment that you're making here in Crescent City and what you've added to that area. >> Thank you so much. I know it's a labor of love for both of you and we look forward to you being here in February opening up. Okay, with that, do we have
any other CRA business um that that we need to discuss at this time? >> Um If I could I have a question for the city manager. Um but I could hold it for the city manager's report.
>> Is it regarding CRA? >> Yes. >> Okay. Go ahead. Right now it's in CRA. >> Go. I guess I need to wait until I have the city manager out of conference. Sorry, >> that's okay. Commissioner De has a
question for you regarding the CRA issue. So, obviously, um I have two and they're related. >> So, um at a recent meeting, we approved a CRA grant for the laundromat car wash. Yes, sir.
>> And I've had some comments about that. Um as to one of the colors that's being used, it seems to be >> Well, I don't know. >> Yellow is a very difficult color. >> Banana. Well, let's let's put it this
way. Um, we had some discussion about this not being necessarily a target of property. It had been identified in the historical survey as mid-century modern. Um, all I can say is that um somehow I
think going forward in the future if we're going to be paying for these things, maybe we need to spend a little more time. And this is really a comment, not so much for the city manager, but for my fellow commissioners and the city manager. Maybe we need to spend a little
more time talking about what the final product is going to be because we're putting the money in. I mean, I'm very pleased that it's being pressure washed. It's a wonderful business. It's been there for a long time. It does great things for our community. I heard they now have Wi-Fi. All that's wonderful.
But I just think when we're putting the investment in, we need to, you know, drill down a little bit more into the details. >> Well, if you'll look at those estimates, it was for white and blue. >> What happened? >> Yeah. Well, the other thing, I mean, I
agree, but I think it it really has to be stated when we made these this kind of go with >> that's what the city kind of looks like. >> Yeah. been talking to um the city manager about this because when I was running by the other day, I stopped and
said, >> "Um, did you get that right?" And he said, "Yeah, we got it right." And I said, "Oh, okay." Um that we have a color palette that we do. Well, I know we do, but we need actual color chip
palettes so that they can have something to to choose from. But that did say blue and white. they wanted a different color and it's my understanding I think that they even the painter said to me that they paid the difference because the
white um was much easier because it was already white. Uh the prep work they had to do on that building was um pretty significant. And I don't know if that awning that awning is the old awning historical it's
been there right and >> well they've replaced the the bottom of that awning just recently they rebuilt the whole thing. >> So yes I mentioned to him that possibly if they were to paint that the color of the trim that that might cut it a little
bit. >> Um but they didn't want they did that's not what they what they wanted. So, well, and that that comes down to the the other thing you mentioned the color palette. Is that just is that structure
in the historic district? >> We don't know. Anyway, um because I know in the historic district we did have a listing of colors, but anyway, regardless, the the city is contributing
CR CRA money to that. And I just um I see the little comment faces. I just think we need to make sure that um we're all we get it right. And then I did get a comment from a resident who was very concerned and this is an environmental
issue um about the with the prep work that there were paint chips all over that were not um coralled or whatever. And you know, I think everything in our storm drains pretty much goes out to the lakes
>> and it hasn't rained lately. But um I don't know for for future projects as well if we can make sure that they're when they're doing prep work that they're not going to be putting materials like that down the drains.
>> And even for this one that the city manager maybe could go check on that and make sure it's not on the sidewalk and the pavement. >> Yes, ma'am. So that was a that was a concern I had about that. And then um I did um do we have an update? What is the
status? Do we currently have a CRA manager? Um like is >> currently we do not um and I'm the executive director of the CRA so I'm handling the work right now. I am proposing >> I thought she was only she's only
>> she hasn't resigned. Correct. She's only manically. Yes. she's not here at this point in time. >> Um because my feeling is there's there's quite a bit of work to be done in the CRA. I know at the last meeting um I had
asked if we could get um updates on just the status of business activity in the CRA and we still have um quite a few vacant buildings. In fact, I mean, I remember the Main Street application had an analysis of the downtown and it
including um and this is important probably for Commissioner Moore to know because she wasn't here. Um the main street application had an analysis of the vacancy rate both for the first floor and second floor. I don't think it's changed very much. Um, so my hope
would be that um, well that we have a CRA manager as soon as possible and as well um, I think it'd be a good idea for the commission to take this up at a future meeting just to look at the status of our business district. >> Well, again, we still have a current CRA
manager. She lives on I just want to make sure that we for the record we have that she did ask to take some some um, extended leave. Yes, she came back a little before she probably should have um and so she's trying to
Okay, so just for our purposes um as a commission, I think it'd be helpful for us to see where we are and maybe the kind of steps that we need to take um because that vacancy rates that's not good and you know the buck stops with
us. So that >> yeah, >> a lot of that has to do too with people and their willingness to do something with those vacant buildings. >> Um, >> right. But it's that's part of that's part of planning. That's part of why we
have a CRA. Um, I think that's worthy of of a conversation. And I will say that throughout her time here that Christina has made a yman's effort to reach out and she is on a on a to talk to all
those vacant buildings and encourage them to do something with them and she does that on a regular basis. I do know that for a fact, right? And some of them are just unwilling. And my understanding with the building down at the end, which she has talked to them also that is on
Lake Stella in that while somebody um I guess went into it or um it's for sale right now. Finally, they put it up for sale, but there's extensive damage I was told. So that's something that you know with a lot of our buildings that it's
not turnkey. It requires a tremendous amount of um of work in those buildings and the longer a building sits the more problems oftent times that occur. >> Um going back to the um to the car wash,
there was some discussion at the last meeting that that was a 50-50 split, but it was not a targeted building. That is a target that was a targeted building. So it was not a 50-50 split. Yeah, it was one of our targeted buildings. >> Great.
K, do we have any other comments on the CRA? If >> I can quickly comment. Um, so a couple things that we'd like to do in a vision for the CRA is to capture not only the work that needs to be done, but the work that's been completed. And so, um, our
process for, uh, providing the grants to the community and obtaining those grants are is going to change slightly, uh, by just being able to, um, easily access, have the, uh, the grants accessible on the web page, possibly even a fillable
fillable form uh, to make it easier. Those will be emailed directly to the CRA manager and to the executive director. Um, at the same time, I want to work with our city attorney to come up with an agreement form that once uh somebody does enter into a contract with
uh with an entity for work that the city's paying for that they agreed that they will not change or alter the work that you all approve based on their estimate. And if the fee or cost is going to increase or the work and scope is going to change, they have to get
written approval from management. And I of course would bring that to you all. Um, so those types of things will keep us from having colors change in the middle of the of the night. Um, because we were all thinking it was going to be white and it came out yellow and nobody knew about it. Management sure sure
didn't know about it as well. Um, after that's the case, uh, there will be an inspection form and everything will go together in a packet and then we would like to put that information on the website so we can show the CRA success and capture what our dollars are are are
doing. Um the other element of it is the um is the econom e economic um vitality element of it and we would like to put some sort of metrics in place to go back and look 6 months or a year later and see how those dollars have helped the area and its economic achievement
whether it's new rentals uh new people businesses or jobs um and if it's homeowners of course value and how that's creating a better tax base. So we'll bring that back to you all. Okay. >> And and with the car wash also, they are
the painter told me they're taking down all the signs and they're redoing and going to have more of the vintage sign >> retro >> retro signs on there, which is something that we did talk about >> um with with where it was. So that that he said he felt like that was going to
enhance the building as well. >> Okay. Do we have >> do we have um anything else before I close down our CR? >> Just um what I have one comment about the city manager's plans. Um, I think
it's great to have electronic applications, but I think we might need to consider also having them available in paper because some people around here just don't do fillable. Um, I see Commissioner Lor shaking his head. We can think of
>> tried to talk to our city manager about that that he really wants everything digitized and >> digital and he will and that that is that is an issue for some people. >> Right. I mean, not we will not be reaching everyone and then um I think
it's great to show um the accomplishments but I do think it's important for us to talk about where we can go from here because it is my observation that um it's been very effective in
terms of appearance to spend the grant money on upgrading buildings but that that grant program has not moved the needle on getting vacant places occupied and I think that's the topic
that we really need to talk about and I know it's difficult but there are things that other CRAAS do so that's I mean one is a a good object is a a good accomplishment but we still have the the linkering problem I know that Christina
was working with the chamber we had started uh getting that kind of ramped up. The chamber and the downtown partnerships working together as collectively as a group for new businesses. So that's something that will be taking place when when she gets back. >> But but I think also the commission
should talk about things that we could put into place and things that we can do and I certainly welcome any ideas that staff bring to us. So that's that's my comment on that. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. And with that I'm going to close.
I'm going to um open up our regular commission meeting at this time. And so we're going to um I'm going to open up our public hearing section and we've got resolution 202507. >> Do you want to read that for us? >> Yes, ma'am. A resolution of the city of
Cresant City Commission authorizing a new maintenance agreement with the state of Florida Department of Transportation. Um just so you all know, this was uh requested of us to have a resolution for the new m maintenance agreement. Um, this is an agreement that we've had in place for years on end. This is for our
green space. Um, all of our maintenance within the rideways. Um, I do apologize. We've had a technical issue today with our computers and, uh, Mel went to grab the exhibit A, which is the contract, so you all can see it. She'll have it here in just a moment for you all. Um, this
of course just has to be, um, executed and and it goes with the agreement. Once uh the state receives that, then that's uh that'll be a new new um new contract that we have with the new pay increase. >> Um yes. Could we defer this until we
actually have a schedule a we have other don't we have two ordinances? >> Um if does she have it? I'm saying could we do >> take it out of order. Yes, take it out
of order. And if we want to move on, um, we can do ordinance 2025-12. >> Mr. Would you please read this for us? Sure. read the >> This is on our um sexual predator.
>> All right. So, would you like me to read the title? >> Yes, sir. Please. So the ordinance is 202512, an ordinance by the commissioners of the city of Crescent City, Florida, creating section 18-9 in the code of ordinances of Crescent City, Florida to be known to be known as
the Crescent City Sexual Offender and Sexual Predator Act, providing findings, intent, definitions, and residency requirements, authorizing collection of registration fees, prohibiting presence, lording or prowling within child safety zones with exceptions, restricting
participation, and Halloween activities with except with an exception. Prohibiting cvitation of offenders, establishing accountability for property owners, landlords and lessers, requiring notice for temporary emergency shelters, providing penalties for violations, providing for applicability and
severability, and providing for an effective date. >> Thank you, commissioner. I'll entertain a motion. This is on the second and final reading. >> Right. Um, mayor, I did I guess we need a motion first, but I did have a question that I sent the city manager um
about the last two paragraphs on page seven, but do we need the motion first? >> Okay. Um, so I move that the commission approved on second reading ordinance number 2025-12
um I guess the sexual offender and sexual predator act proper motion and second commissioners we have um discussion commissioner you said you had some questions Yes. And I sent these to the city manager on
Monday. Y'all might have seen it. Um, and this really is a question for the city attorney. Well, first of all, the last paragraph says passed and enacted by the city of Crescent City, Florida. It's got commissioners of Sman County in there. Um, I just I just have a
question. We had we discussed this on first reading. Um the uh sheriff's attorney had basically used the county ordinance and did not have um the right form for city ordinances. Is is that the
correct wording for our effective date? And is that the correct wording for passed and enacted? And also are we supposed to put in there the date of first reading? Do we do that for our ordinances? It isn't required that you put in a day
the first reading. The language is satisfactory. There's nothing magical about that language for the for the ordinance passes passed and enacted is sufficient. I I read this over also I missed that on Putnham County. There's one other
location on page one where county is referenced and it should be city. That's uh in the third whereas cost from the bottom whereas this registration process consumes county resources it should be city with the exception of that I didn't
see any locations where they did not make the change to uh >> the fourth warehouse it says due to the significant risk of recentism the board believes extended residency restrictions which would be speaking of the board of county commissioners
>> which commissioner or the commission warehouse >> probably probably was but board would be a proper a way of referring to you as well but you can change that >> commission refer to us
>> um I have a question for the city attorney so on page one you mentioned the whereas clause I think it's the third from the bottom that talks about the registration process consumes county resources. I did
see that and actually I think it's correct saying county because the county manages the registration um and um I think it's valid that we should be
concerned about consumption of county resources but it's really the way Mr. Sharp explained it. The registration process is county. >> It's going to be on them and not us. It's not going to >> I have to agree that if we left county
as it is that it does >> um consumes county resources and not necessarily city resources. >> I agree if you page four under registration fees F it does indicate registering to the Putham County Sheriff's Office. So I would agree with that. So, we're I know it seems odd, but
so we're expressing our concern for the use of the county resources and then but we do need to take out board and put in commission and then um where do you say that? I >> that was fourth where clause on page one. >> No, I think board is fine and as it's
currently written you said refer to us. We are also a >> board and >> yeah the word of Putnham County, Florida out of the last line on page seven I think you'd be fine.
>> Okay. Do we have to I mean we could even do commissioners or at least Putin County. Should we take out the whole thing? And that would be more of a scrier's error, wouldn't it? >> Well, it says city of city of Florida commissioners. I was I'd leave that in.
I just said stripe of Putnham County, Florida. >> Okay. >> Yes. And I I think that would be very appropriate. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, just making sure we have those changes. So, we >> we have the the technicalities.
>> We have any further discussion. Commissioners, do you have any input with this that you have? Okay. Commissioner Lori, you're good. >> Okay. Commissioner De, are you good? Okay. With that, I'm going to open this up for public comment. Please come forward if you would like to speak to this um ordinance.
Okay, I'm going to close public comment at this time and clerk comes back. I'm asking to do a roll call. Roll call on ordinance number 2025-12. We move things around on you. Apologize. Commissioner Dvito. >> Hi.
>> Commissioner Lorie. >> Hi. Commissioner Moore >> I. >> Commissioner Burton >> I. >> Mayor Myers >> I. Okay. >> So, so adopted on the second reading. Let's go back. Are we ready for resolution 2025-07?
>> She should be printing it out. And so the executed contract was done in 2024. It's a it's a three-year contract. Um, and that is for roadside litter sweeping, editing, sweeping. She's going to print it out. This was already executed. The resolution was missing.
So, that is what I need. I don't need an executed new contract. We already have one. I need I need the resolution to go with that to the state and that's for us to be able to get paid. >> And this is for the $17,400 maintenance. >> Yes, ma'am. Madam clerk will um show you the contract
>> that is divided into a quarterly payment. >> Yes, ma'am. You're correct. >> Okay. As we speak, >> my um did you let me ask you this. with this resolution. Did you copy this resolution from a former resolution or the only reason I ask is because the
maintenance locations you have it going the boundary of the city limits at the former Tangerine Terrace restaurant. It does go past that especially on the west side of um 17. >> Madam clerk, we received this from the DOT, correct? >> Okay.
>> So, this was there >> that would be to extend where this is on both sides probably. So that we have to take care of it. But >> well extends and past that. >> Um and >> the lights goes all the way to
>> Yeah. All the way to Citroron on the west side. >> Do you maintain any of that? >> We maintain all of that. >> Yeah, we maintain that on the side. >> Yeah. And we can go back and look at it. This is what was provided and it's already in place. Again, this is when we
went to um get paid and submit the invoices. They had found that we were missing this resolution. So that that's why they requested it. I'm trying to get paid for the last quarter um or third third and fourth quarter. >> Third and fourth. Yeah. They were missing several quarters of it. So you
putting this on a tickler system so that next year or whenever this is Okay. Thank you. >> We're on it. >> Okay. Do we have any other comments on this? Any other questions? Well, I mean, I'm just if it says exhibit A, I am not comfortable voting on something if I don't have exhibit A.
>> She's she's getting it printed right now. And it was it's been attachment A from the beginning when it was signed in 24 by Charles R. And it's, like I said, a three-year contract. We're just trying to make sure that all the checks are off for the DOT.
>> I know, but if we're on it, we should see to me. >> Yep. So, we're going to move on to the other ordinance if we can. Um, I'm going to move on to ordinance 202506. >> Okay. If you or Don would read this for
us, please type. >> So, second final reading revised ordinance 2025 06 amending the public facilities element of the Crescent City Comprehensive Plan Grant. Ordinance read adoption from August of 2024.
Close bin. An ordinance to the city of Crescent City, Florida, amending the public facilities element, water supplies facilities work plan of the Crescent City comprehensive plan, providing for implementing administrative actions, providing for severability, providing for conflicts, providing for non-classification, and
providing for an effective date. >> You want to talk a little bit about this? >> I can. So, this is something that has um been in front of you all before. I had Mr. Mark Caret here from uh um our AE that came in to speak to this. Uh if you
would like I would like Mark to come up real quick just to reiterate where we are with this process and and why can probably yeah speak to tell us that. And so this is the uh water supply plan amendment to the public facilities
portion of your conference of plan required to update this to be consistent with the water management plan. We've actually adopted this previously and transmitted it. However, the the date of
the transmitt was out of bounds for the state and so they've asked us to redo this. There's no change to the supply. >> It's my understanding we have 10 days from the date of adoption. >> 10 days. >> So, we have to do that to them. >> If approved, we will submit it tomorrow.
>> Okay. Mayor, I just have one question. >> Yeah. So is this are we still on our original correction of the original error that they found in a technicality or is this another >> this was a this is a another one
>> this is another one having to do with the timing of the transmitter. Yeah, there there in terms of the uh content of the plan, this has already been signed off on, >> right? >> It's all technical. It's it all has to
do with adoption and has to deal with >> I'm just clarifying this is our second technical error and I I do not say that with disparagement to any staff. The first set of technicalities >> but it's the third act. >> It's the third anyway. Um it is very
tech. >> So that's all my my question. So it's actually second. >> Okay. >> Okay. I'll entertain a motion. >> I move that we approve on second and final final final reading. Um ordinance 20256.
>> Second. >> I'll go ahead and second. >> We have a proper motion and a second. >> Yes. I notice above where it says ordinance 202526, it says in parentheses revised. Should that be included in the motion
that we're adopting revised 20256? >> Oh, I didn't say that. Yeah, I revised ordinance 20256. >> I'll second. Okay. Do we have any further comments? If not, I'm going to open it up for public comment. Do we have any
public comment on this? Seeing no one come forward, I'm going to close public comment and then um Madam Clerk, I'm going to ask for a roll call, please, on ordinance 202506, which is the revised ordinance. >> Commissioner Dudo, >> I. >> Commissioner Lorie,
>> I. >> Commissioner Moore, >> I. >> Commissioner Burton, >> I Myers >> I Okay, so adopted and it'll be sent off tomorrow. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> Charm. Thank you very much. We appreciate that.
>> Um, with that, I'm going to go back to resolution resolution 202507. Are we Where are we on exhibit A? >> Uh, technical difficulty, but we'll have it in just a moment. I apologize. >> That's okay. >> But we we do have the contract and we're
forwarding a digital copy a copy to Commissioner Lori and we're printing one. So, I'll have one at least to pass to you all. Um, we have another request because I was going to ask for a short break before the business items. Could we take the break?
>> We can if you if everybody is commissioners with that. Commissioner war is not too early. >> Okay. So, with that, I'm going to take a about a seven minute recess >> and I will open up our short bread. is a three-year contract and there is a
resolution attached to it, correct? >> But do has asked for an updated resolution. >> I will entertain a motion, please. >> So, is this have a question here? Is this going to supersede the other date? Is the new date going to be 25?
>> No, this contract stays the same. So 2027 we'll be able to renegotiate the terms of of the of the contract for the maintenance work. >> Okay. So now I'm going to ask the stupid question. Why are they asking for new? >> We do not know other than we requested
uh quarter three and four for payment and they said they didn't pay us until we they had an updated resolution. We said provide the resolution. They sent it over and we put it into this meeting to have it so we could get it paid. So they must have lost it. Maybe so. >> Maybe. So and in further discussions
with them, I mean in previous discussions with them, that amount has stayed the same and they're not budging off of that amount. >> Okay. I'm just I'm just curious. All right. >> The resolution signed by Charles, but the contract was signed by Michael
Ghart. I'll make a motion to approve resolution number 2025 uh to authorize the new maintenance agreement stated for Department of Transportation. >> I think it needs to be 2025-07.
>> 20257. >> Okay. We have a proper motion in a second. Do we have any further discussion on this? If not, I'm going to open it up. Do we have any public comment on this? This is the maintenance agreement that we currently have with FDOT for our medians
and the um the rideways along Summit Street. Okay, seeing no one come forward, I'm going to close public comment. Madam clerk, if you do a roll call for us, please. >> Commissioner Burton, >> I. Commissioner Moore, >> I. >> Commissioner Lorie,
>> I. Commissioner Devito I Mayor Myers >> I Okay, so approved. Thank you very much. Okay, let's um close out our public hearing and we're going to open up our business items. This is the agenda items um that we have. You want to start with
Pastor Hobs? Do you want to come forward? >> Hello. >> Good evening. How are you this evening? >> Wonderful. How are you? >> Great. What we have in front of us, um, do you want to talk a little bit about this real fast? >> Sure. Sure. We we got a request um and
out of courtesy for the commission of course being the Eagle Lab Park um wanted to bring it just uh so we could have a discussion make sure that the pastor had a chance to have a voice and just explain or answer any questions that may uh that may be asked but um you know permit is in and so we're ready to
move forward with this and just make everybody aware of the great things that are happening. >> You want to talk to us a little bit about what you're hoping to do on the >> Sure. Uh, first let me ask one question. Has anybody ever heard from uh the Jesus Jam that they usually have the night
before? Uh, if they're doing that this year, have they applied? >> She hasn't done that in a couple of years. It's probably been Yeah. At least the last two years she hasn't done that. if that's something that the city would like to like if the person who was doing
that can't do that no longer or whatever, we'd be happy to pick that up. If that event was something that was great for the city and >> it was it was the gospel thing the night before that Angel Duke was doing that Angel Duke was was doing.
>> Yeah, we enjoy doing stuff like that. We do stuff like that already. We also hold youth rallies and stuff. uh like that. What we're currently talking about though is probably five or six years ago just on a spur we was decorating our big float for
the parade the night before and we all you know a bunch of us was out there and we said why don't we just jump on the float and run through the city and show our lights and sing Christmas carols and it turned into something. So anyways we do it every year now and uh so this year
we kind of wanted to move it. We've had a lot of uh public people saying how can we can we get involved in that too? We've always just done it with our church people. So this year we had the idea of moving the base station from our church because it's outside the city and
moving it to Eva Lions Park, you know, serve some like cookies and apple cider or whatever, hot cocoa and uh then kind of do like 20-minute tours and let people who wants to jump on there, go Christmas caroling with us, see what we do, drop them off, pick up another load
and kind of do that for a couple hours. >> Okay, I think that's a >> Sounds like fun. >> Sounds like a lot of fun. Yeah, it is. >> The gazebo will be lit. The park will not be lit, but the gazebo will be lit. >> Yeah, our trailer will light the whole park up.
>> Good. Good. >> Yeah. >> Good. So, do we have any um questions, commissioners? Do we have any other questions? You've got the application in the um in your packet, >> right, Mayor? I had questions that I sent to the city manager on Monday. Um
because the way I see it, I mean to me this is really a staff issue that should be resolved at the staff level, but it has not been addressed to date. Um when I looked at the application, it does not
say how many people are expected. I think that determines whether it's a class C or whatever event. It really should say how many people are expected. But um my main concern is the safety
aspect. There's not a site plan here and there's not a parking plan. And um I love the caroling float. I look for it every year. I stand out in front of our house. I drag my husband out there um and we sing um when the float comes by.
But, um, I'm very familiar with this area and, uh, I sent questions to the city manager and he said he was going to send them to you. It's not clear to me, um, that there's a plan, an orderly plan
for where that float is going to park to onboard and offboard people. And I will share with you, and the neighbors have a concern about this also. Um, number one, those side streets are the cutth through streets that people turn down very
quickly to go to Main Street so that they can head either north or south. So, if you're going to park the flatbed there, you have to make sure that it's far enough in from Highway 17 so that somebody does not turn in and hit you.
Um, a neighbor already on the Myrtle side, that's the south side, has said they don't think there's really enough room there without blocking driveways to do the float. And then if you go on the funeral home side to the north, which is Cypress Avenue, I was just noticing
today, I don't know how long the flatbed is, but there's two power poles um that you would have to navigate. And it just to me there needs to be a sight plan and a traffic plan because if you're going to park the flatbed actually in the street and load kids on
and off um nobody's expecting you to be there so that there's nothing in the permit about that. >> I don't have anything in the permit. I can add that I'm the one that always does the pulling of the float. Um, I
pulled a hay wagon for our harvest festival and that goes down and around by the uh chestnut down there around where the lake is and we do several tours of that. One of the things that I did for a living before I actually became a pastor was I own a semi-truck
and I drove uh for so I'm very familiar with navigating you know large vehicles and stuff. However, uh we didn't necessar I thought we would probably get from you what your idea was would be the cuz we're okay with doing it however you
feel like it would be uh you know not in the way or and and it's not going to stay there. Um I was also told before I got here by my wife who is my memory my mind she without her I would I would be lost. Um so it's just her and Jesus
keeping me together. But uh uh anyway, she told me to make sure that I also let you know that our church people are actually going to park either a at our church or b at Lind Dixie so that there wouldn't be a bunch of cars crowding around there and going to actually come
in on the foot and then they will be off and serving uh the people that come or the people that are waiting and you know the cocoa and the cookies and whatever. Did that help any? It sounds like it may have more. So, you can easily So, there's an area right there in that
parking spot um on the north side. If I can back that um what was that thing that boom lift that I've been driving all over. If I can back that in there, I am positive you can back a flatbed in there with a trailer and you could just
back it straight in. Um and without any problem. And as far as parking, um, I probably you could reach out to Pastor David across the street. They allow they usually allow parking. They might even want to join in with some of the singing as well.
>> Awesome. >> But, you know, that would help you with some of the parking also. >> There's five spots at Johnson. >> And and I'm sure that as long as there's not, you know, something going on um that they would have parking over there, too. And then you've got parking um
right here on our corner >> right here. >> So you can also park over there. >> Wonderful. Awesome. >> So that they're not having to go all the way to the Dixie and then you're having to try to maneuver people all over. All >> I was concerned a little bit about that. My wife said okay cuz I thought what if
people want people want to leave in the middle of it or something then have their cars down there. So that's a much better plan. Thank you. If I could is I mean to me usually the way this has been done in the past staff
had you know talks to the applicant and they get the site plan. It's not usually something that we I did not expect that we would be designing this at the at the city commission meeting. But it is our responsibility to make sure I mean this is an ordinance that the park is
protected from damage and also our primary responsibility in issuing these permits is public safety. So, to me, it's up to our city staff with consultation with the sheriff to make sure that there's there's a plan for this. And I'm I'm just very concerned
that there's some kind of lighting or cones or something so that somebody turning on to whatever street you're parking on doesn't run into the crowd. >> Yeah. and and as discussed with you over the phone on it, this is something that we were going to be doing after this
meeting, making sure that we had a plan in place, making sure that those safety protocols were taken, uh make sure we had proper lighting, making sure we had cones, and if you needed officers, we would be able to um somehow get you in touch with them to accommodate that. Okay. >> So, we don't know how many people,
that's the thing on on an event like this, you don't know the turnout. I think pastor would only know um his people from his church how many of those would be that that would he could put on a permit. Other than that, you just don't know what that turnout's going to be. >> If you park in market square, I think it's just a nice walk across the street
there. >> And that way you they don't have to go to other end. And I think that pulling in on Cypress will make it easy to get on and off. I mean, I was just there last night sitting there at at 7:00 and there wasn't a car around except the people that I was with that were parked
there. So, I mean, but then if you were in the middle of the block where the parking is right there, right in front of Johnson River, then no one's going to come around and hit you. You can see that's enough room. It's a few hundred feet. So, you know, >> and you'll, like you said, you'll be well
>> Yes, absolutely. >> All right. >> Um, and this is for the public to join in. Is that correct? >> Yeah, we're not selling anything. It's all free. We just want the public to kind of spark the uh spirit of joy and
holiday spirit, I guess. >> Well, and thank you for some out. You just wait for Christmas carol. So, yeah. So, thank you for your willingness to do this for the community and to bring it into the city limits. >> Absolutely. >> I know that'll be a benefit and the
homeowners will enjoy this. I believe the Methodist church is doing it the following weekend. >> Oh, cool. But I think they're starting down at the church. I think they're starting down at the church. But >> Okay. So, can I >> That's Caroline. >> Yes. Commissioner,
>> I would like to make a motion. Okay. >> Yes. I would like to move that we approve the application for special event by Pastor Hobs and Mrs. tops um for
carolling with Abundant Harvest Ministries to take place on Friday, December 5th in Eva Lion Park um provided that the applicant works with the city manager to um establish um a
site plan and a parking plan for the event. >> I'll second that. >> Proper motion in a second. Do we have any other comment? If none, um I'm going to go ahead with all in favor, please say I. >> I oppose. Nay.
>> Okay. So, approve. And before you leave, this is for the parade. You're my last applicant. So, I wanted to make sure you had that. >> Perfect. >> I think I sent a text to your to the >> Oh, what? >> To the Yeah. >> Okay. >> Great.
>> So, please, I know last year you were very involved in that. We actually have at least two, but we had another float cuz our school, Crescent City Christian Academy, they'll have their this year, we've always done it together with our church. This year,
we had one our school parents step up and say, "We've got a trailer that will be in hospital." So, we're actually going to have our school float and our church float separate, but they'll be together, but it's for the barrier. >> Yeah, we're excited about >> Thank you. And if you have you guess >> I'll give you I'll get you a card if you
can wait just a moment and I'll get you a card. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you and thank you for waiting all this time this afternoon. >> Okay, let's move on to our volleyball practice. This is for um volleyball practice in Harry Banks Park. >> Yes.
>> Where they currently are doing the football practice for the Pop Warner. >> Correct. Pop Warner will conclude soon. It's uh and uh the third week of November that field will be available. Um, so bikes will need to be coordinated with public works and we'll just ask permission to kind of move forward with
this request. >> Okay. Um, >> I move we approve the request for Paul Practice and Harry Banks Park. >> Okay. We have a second. >> We have a proper motion in a second. We
have any further discussion? May I have a question? So, who is actually the applicant that says Smith something? >> Martinez. Okay. And is this an individual or an organization? >> I believe this is an individual that is
working with an organization. Um but the organization is is not the one that did the applicant. It was a a individual that did that. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Yes. So I mean doesn't the reason I'm asking is because
they have the whole um hold harmless. Are we charging them a fee? Uh I believe that was just something that is in our uh code uh for the field and because of the activity they they have that insurance requirement.
>> We don't have um and we don't charge the popcorner a fee and they've been practicing that for for numerous years and we've never charged them a fee to use that. >> It's just nice that somebody's using those lights that we that we put out. >> And well my other question is um
it says lights will need to be coordinated. Do we know how that's going to be done? >> Uh once we get a schedule from them, uh we'll be in contact with them, make sure that our public works um personnel will take care of turning on those lights for them. Uh I'll talk with public works to
see if we have a timer in place as well. And if not, we'll be working on getting a timer. >> We do have there is a timer. I would imagine there is a timer on that and James who with Pop Warner, he usually handles that public works. >> Well, I think at one point Pop Warner volunteered to do the lights. I don't
know. They are. They are doing James is doing the lights. >> They're doing the light. >> Yes. >> Um I'm just I don't know. So we're just I mean there's no there's no one really do we usually get indemnified by the athletic groups because this is not an
organization. It's just a person. I mean it seems to me they should be specifying if there's an organization they should specify it. And and it might it might just be that
if this is the girls this is the travel it's possibly the travel team. I would think it is a travel team because the other is practice >> wanting to have extra practice. >> Right. Yes. >> Right. So could we just get some clarification in this form at some point
as to who the actual group is? >> Absolutely. And I'm sure they have insurance, which I pretend they have to. >> Yeah, they should have. Especially if it's club, >> then they would then they would absolutely have insurance. Um,
>> but I think it's great that they're usually >> that's why that's why we got the lights. >> That's why we got the lights. >> So, is it time for a motion? >> Entertain a motion, please. >> Um, make a motion. start motion and second.
Okay. Well, then we're done. >> Um, all in favor, please say I. >> I. I. N. >> Okay. So, approved. Sorry. >> Um, and on top, I will report um they are going to the championship this
weekend. So, um I told them at the next meeting that we would possibly if um that they could come forward and >> and >> they win, which they're going to win. He's he is confident they are going to
win. >> Um >> okay. So, let's move on to the city property discussion if we can. Do you want to >> Thank you, mayor. Yes. Um so, a couple things come to light recently. Uh was some interest in city property. Um, I wrote a summary here for you all,
but I'll just I'm going to summarize that even more. Um, basically, currently, right now, we have a building uh that is the government building. We're leasing that building. Um, for whatever reason, we had a 2 and a.5% increase in that contract every year uh
to have an increase and has not been the case. Um currently right now we have a lot of exposure over there um with roof repairs that are needed that we'll be discussing tonight um as well as replacement of a um uh air conditioner.
>> Uh I I want to correct you just real quick. >> Okay. I'm sorry. >> The last few years they have had that increase. They have Okay. >> That increase has been taking place. >> Okay. I was totally I apologize. >> No. I'll correct that with staff. Um, so with that in place, we we we probably
get about a little over $20,000 a year. The roof um this year, the roof and the AC of course are going to be creeping around that same cost toll together. Um there's interest in that building from the county tax collector for purchase.
Um we had a conversation very high level um that said would there be um would it be the to the city's advantage to to strike this this conversation and have this start and they said absolutely they would love the opportunity for that. So
um in the interim since that time I've reached out to a real estate agent here in the city and just pulled comps not necessarily that building but on the area. um in the last 24 months for um for the um commercial spaces has been
around $64 a square foot. Um that is pretty low, but recently in the last uh few months, not last 24, and that's an average um but in the last few months, we've had a recent sales of around 225. One was 190 and the other one was even
higher, but the average came up to 225 between the two properties. Um so that's just something to discuss. we have to, you know, talk about possible sale. Um, I would like to talk with the commission about implementing a deferred maintenance plan. If we decide to keep it, we need to have a plan on how we're
going to maintain it. Um, that's currently hasn't been the case and or to renegotiate a new lease term uh as well uh with an equitable balance that that uh that interest of both city officials and tenants that that would be equal.
So, a little bit better. Um, another uh in addition to concerns about the lease of government building, attention must also be given to another municipal asset, our fire station. We've had discussions about this and as discussed before, interest from prospective buyers has emerged for this property. Uh, we're
we're currently looking at alternative possible locations and I'm waiting to hear from the local realtor on those comparable sales, which I did get uh after I had written this. Um, the acquisition of of comps uh is really important and being that some of these facilities most re recently was above
$225 or $200 a square foot, we we we could get a a good price for that um property in that building. Um uh one more uh uh piece of property that the city has is existing unused vacant lot situated behind the government building
uh which has attracted interest from one of our entrepreneurs here in the city and while currently idle within the city's portfolio. This parcel represents potential opportunities for development and sale could generate additional revenue for us as well um or serve to better serve the community and more
effectively um than its current status. So, we're currently uh trying to evaluate all viable options and uh right now this is informationational uhformational only at this time, but we also have I believe the uh person who owns the property would like to
come up and speak question first. I'm wasn't sure I heard correctly about the government building and I don't know exactly what part of the building you're talking about. Did I hear you say that the county tax collector wishes to buy
the building? >> No. Let's be real careful with this because >> right there is interest in that building >> by by whom? Not the tax collector. >> Correct. >> No, it's not the tax collector. I am not
100% sure on the budget of where the funds are going to come from, but there is interest in that building for purchase for the people that are currently using the building >> and maybe not now, but maybe at a future date. Correct. The tax collector, the legislation, my understanding, was
changed and so they do have the ability to purchase property. >> Correct. >> Um and and so but I don't know that she's wanting to do that now and I don't know that that's a discussion. Um I think more it was um Pablo has a definite need correct
>> um for that back parking lot and he has he has shared >> shared with me and I turned it over to you correct >> um that he would like to talk to us about that back parking lot all of the back parking lot just the back parking lot um directly behind his property
>> so >> yes so Mr. probably if you could come up and speak. >> And we also the fire station cannot be sold until we vacate it. So >> correct. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> Well, anything you sell, you're going to have to declare to be surplus. >> That involves a finding that you don't
have a present or anticipated future need. >> And the only thing I will mention to you is >> once you sell property, you probably aren't getting it back. >> So, and that was >> I'll leave it at that. That was going to be my my next question to you is as we
go through this about the surplusing process and how we have to do that. So >> all yours. Well, my name is Pablo Fontellis. I'm the owner of the Park House and Lounge in Present City. Uh and the property right behind the Parker
House. My property goes just just a few feet right behind my building. I do not own the parking spots there or the city does and I would like to purchase that whether it's the whole
parcel all the way up to Main Street or half of it. So I can not only have the the parking lot will be mine, but I can also expand part of my building because I'm running out of I have been running out of storage room,
you know, so I could uh make my storage room bigger, you know, on the back side of the building. Uh, and like I said, I've been interested in that for years, you know, but the city has never, you know,
because they they always they've been concerned about what I'm going to do with that property. >> I'm going to park, you know, where it is right now. >> My front parking lot is this the the county gets more use of my front parking
lot than my customers do. If you guys are aware of that, you look to this, oh, the bar's busy. No, the bar's not busy. >> Okay. >> And and I thank you for, you know, letting me at least put the idea out
there that I'm interested in buying or or part of the back side of the parking house. >> Commissioner Devita. >> Okay. Um, hi Pablo. Thank you for being here. And um so about the parking spaces
in front that you mentioned, do you own the parking spaces in front? >> The the parking >> in front? >> I do. >> Okay. So my question my question to you is um are you saying are you saying that
the government customers are using some of your parking spaces? >> All of it. They're all I don't think >> I have had to park in the back myself. >> Okay. So, is it possible um that you can mark your parking spaces?
>> My parking spaces are marked. I got signs that said uh parking for customers only. Those will be throw away. You know, nobody left that. >> But I'm not complaining about the parking. >> I understand. I understand. But so the only reason I asked is just to clarify
that you own spaces in front and I understand they're being used and um in light of the fact that nothing is going to happen tomorrow. Um I just wanted to acquire so you actually own those in front. That's very helpful to know.
Okay. I just want to clarify that. Thank you. >> I want to own the ones in the back. That's all. >> I I understand. I heard that one. >> I didn't I didn't really know that. I didn't I I thought that I own a little more >> Uhhuh. >> of the spaces, but then they was survey done and they said, "No, you don't. You
own just barely right there." >> Okay. Right. But you do own the ones in the front. >> I do. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And I appreciate you, you know, just taking me in consideration putting that piece of property back in the tax roic for the city tax moneywise, you know,
and for me business-wise. And so Don, you're saying that we would have to for surplus that portion. >> Well, whatever you sell, the first step is to declare it surplus by a resolution. And you know, that involves
a finding. And then in my opinion, it would be inappropriate for you to offer it only to one buyer. It's public property. It's taxpayer owned. And in all fairness, he might this gentleman who I don't know might be
the only one to bid. But I think that the public would it would whatever your sale process is, it would have to involve an opportunity for anybody in the public to to bid or or purchase. Otherwise, you know, you're conferring a special privilege on somebody who think
taxpayer own property and sell it to a person in my opinion. Then that opinion I've held for a long long time involving public properties and and I have support for that. So I whether you you know you you make your decision as to how you
think you want to go but if you if you go you're going to have to make a declaration that you don't have a present or anticipated future need of the property and then you're going to go from there. So >> I have some more I have a question. >> Yes. Yes ma'am. Um, first of all, I'd
like to thank you. You've both been a very good supporter of the downtown partnership. Um, and I commend you for that. I think >> I've been doing business with this town since you're a great supporter of us. So, I like that. Um, but I think my interest
is it it sounds like you want to really kind of take that back area and also put storage on the back of it. I want to I want to um make my storage part of it. My my liquor store, you know, part of it. >> Yeah. >> Make my my storage room bigger.
>> Yeah. And so I I I guess I you know, I'm looking at something big. Okay. That that might I mean, you got quite a lot of room back there really. Um, plus you could probably take, you know, instead of just going, I
guess you could just go straight back, but I think we'd have to kind of see what you had in mind. And of course, that would be after >> Mhm. >> doing what? >> Yeah. See, I mean, even right now, if I wanted to put a let's say a container,
>> Yeah. >> use it for storage, I can't because the city owns the property, >> right? Okay. Yeah. I I but could become a little bit of a dilemma, you know, if we have to go through what we have to go through. >> Yeah.
>> But, you know, we'll look at it. >> That's all I'm asking you. >> Yeah. We'll look at it. >> Thanks for your time. >> Yes. >> And anything that we decided to build would still be in line with our land code and have to go through any approval process. So,
>> and you also have the option of leasing the parking lot. >> Um, that's true, >> mayor. I have yes commissioner >> when people are finished request I I have some comments on this that I want to share. Okay. >> Um
the this particular block is one of our more successful and heavily used blocks of the Parker House and the government building. And I think we need we need to look at the big picture. Um, I know when
Linda Myers was the tax collector, she was here and she gave us statistics about the draw to Crescent City that the government complex provides to us. I mean, not only is that um the voting precinct for Crescent City, but her stat
showed that people from North Valuchia and all over South Beth come to use that government complex. Um I it it's a it's a draw. It's it's a good thing. We've talked about this before. It's a good thing to have here. Um the
Parker House is very successful. Um but you know to I don't agree with the city manager that that parking lot is quote unused because it is used and
it's it's used when we vote. it's used um it's used we have a need for parking in the business area of Crescent City and one of the um I guess one of the things that I didn't think was
particularly well done um in our CRA plan was um was addressing parking. I I thought that that left a lot to be desired because except for suggesting we build a parking garage, the CRA plan
just says park on the side streets. So I personally think that the city needs to look at a parking plan for the more heavily areas, heavily used areas. Um, and I think the city attorney raises a
good point with us when he says that selling a parking lot, um, you know, is pretty final and we we would be boxed in. So, I I think this is something where we need to look at the big picture. Um, I don't think we should be
deciding it right away because we clearly have a lot of interest in this location. Um, and we have to decide, you know, what works best for the city as well as the really viable entities. And as well,
aren't we isn't the sheriff using that parking lot? >> Um, yeah, they use they use that back parking lot. >> There's a lot of moving parts here. >> That's why we don't use the front parking lot. I know we've been asked to see patrol cars in that front parking lot, right? But I'll be honest, if if he
put up a fence right now, there would be no parking for the government. >> There's there's four I when you park the car, you got to be able to back out. If you was to put a fence up, you would not be able to back out and turn around. So, kudos to you for not putting up a fence
right there because I probably would have a long time ago. We want to see all the people going in there. But that's one of the reasons we don't park up front just respecting everybody that's trying to park up there. >> Not only that, you know, it's a bar. people don't want to see, you know, you guys. So,
>> worried about that when we put them there, >> right? Well, at least maybe they think twice, you know, before they walk out. But anyway, so I guess my my main concern is that we look at the big picture, that we balance competing interests, and we think about what is
what is going to best serve everybody for the future. And um part of the puzzle is what happens to the fire station and we we don't know that yet. And as well I I think we need to take another look at that heavily used area
on North Summit and figure out a good parking plan for the future because I I don't think we have one. >> What where on North Summit? >> Where the Parker House is? That's his property. No, no. I mean, there are other businesses on North Summit and
eventually we're going to run out of parking. We don't have a future parking plan. If somebody builds on every lot, we are going to be way short of parking. >> Maybe this is, >> you know, I you know, I hate to I hate to cut this short, but I think this
whole conversation needs to go to a work shirt or workshop this. He's got a lot of stuff in here. They could take all night to discuss this. Oh, I don't think we can decide we're not going to this is some conversations that's going
on and and Pablo definitely if he has a need um you know he's very limited where he is and so he came to me and I turned it over to to the city manager and so at least this opens up that conversation and now it's open and and we know where
we are and I think from this point on we just give direction to the city manager to to to research it. Yes. And to see what can be done and how it can benefit, you know, Pablo and the county office. I am not a duty do it.
>> Yes. >> You know, to try and get that done. >> Correct. And maybe it's an opportunity for us to have a private public partnership. If we need parking and Pablo needs it as well, maybe we team up together if he needs to expand his building. Maybe we can work on changing
uh the plat and allowing that and uh teaming up on a on a parking lot. >> I think that's what I mean. It takes more of a discussion. >> Yeah, absolutely. And I'm not and I will say this that right now just because of the service that's provided by that
county office. Um I am not in favor of us going um doing anything to increase those fees. So I'm just going to put that out there >> on the talking about the rent. >> Yes. Okay. at this time. >> Yeah. Because that's coming up in December. >> And it's it's you know, it's a county
office that benefits this whole entire area tremendously. >> But if we're but if we are in charge of maintenance and and the upkeep, >> that's something basically a you're getting about $1,700 a month according
to the $20,000 that we get. And and we know the cost of roofs. We know the cost of air conditioners. Um I'm not sure why we haven't had a separate pot of money, right, to to do some of this maintenance
right along, but um that's that's a lot of area for very cheap. >> It is. And typically in a in a lease, you don't have in a commercial lease, you don't have those components as part of it. It's usually the the lease that has to take on it. So anyway, I think
yes, Commissioner Devito, and then I'd like to move. But just to clarify, I believe that the tax collector has already paid first improvements. >> They did they did I think over $40,000 initially over $40,000 initially and they've
continued. They're the ones that painted the building. They had that that building painted. >> Um so they've done a lot of a lot of the upkeep and maintenance on that on that building that they didn't have to especially the painting on the outside, but that was important to them. So, okay. And that's going to come up in
December. So, we'll have that discussion. >> We will. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, is everyone in favor of um the city manager doing further research on this and and working with um Pablo to see how >> Okay.
>> Okay. Let's move on. We've got Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for being so patient tonight. Thank you. >> On the next item, uh item B, um we're requesting additional funds to complete Fletcher Dock. Um of course, I gave you a write up to explain where we are with
this. Um right now, when they started the initial phase of a project that you all had already approved, there was an additional 60 to 70 ft up to do that was severely compromised due to one of the norers that we have um gotten. And uh so we received a quote from the contractor
in the range of $6,000. Um I'm asking for an additional four on top of that just to cover incidentals and unforeseen that we may need. I don't want to have to come back to the commission um again uh for things that uh that that could set us back timewise. So um a couple
things to caveat here. They are providing um for hurricane straps uh which was done previously and the areas that received the hurricane straps did not take damage during the nor easter. That is a mitigating factor they're
going to add for free. They are also going to lift the dock. We had discussions about lifting the dock. Um we've had success uh with other people that have lifted their docks. They are going to lift the dock free of charge now, lifting it by one foot for the entire length of the dock and the
platform. Um, so again, these funds were originally budgeted through the better place. We're looking to still get reimbursement from FEMA FDM um at project completion. >> Not for the 10,000 though.
>> It'll be for the it'll it'll be for the additional cost. Uh, we're still going to submit everything the way >> it's not going to pay for that that most recent damage. >> Correct. >> Correct. But we are submitting everything to them and we'll line item out all of the work that was extra from
the damage. We have to separate that from the new storm. >> So the additional $10,000 you're asking that's separate and apart from the FEMA reimbursement. Is that >> correct? And it will be closer to 6,000. Mayor, I just put the 10% just in case there's some overages. >> Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.
>> Okay. >> Commissioners, do we have any questions on this? >> I move that we approve um the up to $10,000 additional funding to complete the Fletcher Park dock. >> So, he wants $10,000 more.
>> He wants $6,000 more. And >> so, you know, because you're saying you're requesting additional funds to complete Fletcher Dock. >> Yes. >> 10 10K. >> Yes. Correct. The additional $4,000 is for unforeseen incidents >> buffer should he run into something something be rotten that he's not
>> just in case. Yes. >> And this is to become this is coming out of better place. Correct. I think that needs to be part of the >> but we've already agreed to 6,000. Correct. >> No, we haven't agreed to anything. >> This was additional 60 to 70 ft that was damaged in the last.
>> I just want to make sure. >> All right. or append my motion to be that it comes from better place funds. >> I'll second it. We have a proper motion in a second. Do we have any further discussion on this? Commissioner
>> I guess my only question is um you know should we make the motion for $6,000 and then if additional funds are needed we could approve that later because he's he's working on it now. I mean I mean
that that's the reason he's saying this is that he didn't want to have to come back to us because we have been >> um trying to get this fixed. We're on his schedule right now and so that would hold him up and he would move on to another project. >> Correct. We're >> you're of the opinion though are the the
hope that it's only going to be the 6,000. Correct. >> And you'll come back to us with a report as to how much was expended. Correct. >> Yes. And it and it should be the 6,000. If there is a difference or something that is unforeseen, I will make you all aware via email. >> Well, he's he's got to turn in how much he's spending,
>> correct? >> Yeah. So, yeah. So, we'll have a running tally of encourage um overspending, but if this is what we need to do, then that's what we need. >> Well, and he quoted us right there at that 6,000 mark. This is something that
Dererick has asked just just for buffer in case so that he has that the city manager has that and it will be up to you to approve anything additional. Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. So, we're giving you that approval. >> Yes. Okay. >> Do we have any public comment on this?
See no public comment. We need to get this this is >> the community's been asking for this finally and so we need to move on this. Um, would you do a roll call for us, please? >> Commissioner Devito. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Lorie, >> hi. >> Commissioner Moore,
>> I. >> Commissioner Burton, I >> Myers, >> I Okay, so approved. Let's go on to requesting approval for the purchase of public works equipment. >> All right. Um, actually, uh, the next one is for the roof repair, correct? >> Oh, the roof repair. I apologize. >> No, you're fine. So, regarding the roof
section, going back to the government building, leased by the county, we've had an ongoing issue with several leaks. We've obtained quotes for the repair. the quotes. Um the quote we're requesting to to move forward with is with South South State Roofing. They are the ones that did our uh fire station
most recently. They're proposing to remove 25 ft x 25 ft section of roofing down to the bare wood, repair, replace all decking that is rotted and reail uh the new deck. Once totally exposed though, depending on the damage, there may be cost incurred. And if you go to
their quote, they gave you additional costs that may be incurred um by the one by and 2x4 lumber at the cost of $6.50 a square foot. What I am asking is to take their quote of $4,500 and add an additional $4,100, which is the 25 ft by
25 ft section, which is 625 ft multiplied by their multiplier of $625, actually $6.25 a foot um at $4,100. And that would be also for unknown damages to make sure that we are covered through the process of fixing the roof. Um I am
fully intending to only spend 4500. >> How big is that roof? >> Um I don't have the size of the whole roof. I'd have to get back. >> And how old is the whole roof? >> Um I know that the roof was replaced a few years back. I believe it was probably 10 years ago. >> U but I'd have to go and get that
information for you. >> It's a it's a flat roof. >> Yes. >> And the air conditioning is is been the big problem there. Yes, it is. Is it is it on the roof? >> Yes. >> Currently, right now, because that's you're not supposed to do that anymore. >> Okay. >> And we are they are proposing we have a
quote actually to and I'm going to be finalizing it out with Keith to remove the old AC and the county um is looking at splitting costs, but it's a split unit system. So, it will no longer be on the roof. >> Yeah.
It's an old building. That's where they That's where they use they have which section. >> I believe this is in the back. In the back >> towards the back gone up there and seen >> that's where all the leakage is all in that back area in the voting room. in
the voting room, >> in the voting room, in their storage room, and they've had to move things around in storage because when we have bad storms, it just is pouring in there. >> Um, and they're worried about having damage to records.
>> So, so now, where is this money coming from? >> Better Place. >> Okay. And so, how much we got in that Better Place? >> It sounds like we got millions. We haven't been spending uh money out of there as of yet, but Steve and I have a
plan to um just like giving you all the reports monthly for finances, everything for the CRA, everything for the better place. We're going to have a summarized uh note for you to look at. >> So, how much money we got into right now? >> Yeah. >> So, currently looking there, Steve,
where where are we on our plan? >> How much? 400,000. >> That's what the car was. And then there's we're projected to get another two something this year I believe >> because we didn't we didn't spend much.
>> So we have the money then to to do this. >> Yes. We also are we going to have the money to do the air conditioning? >> We will. >> Okay. >> We will. >> All right. >> Okay. Can I'll entertain a motion?
Um, I move that we approve the uh funds to repair the um leaking roof section at government building for we will approve a total of $8,600.
That's what's at the top. up to $8,600 from the better place fund um with the work to be done by South State Roofing LLC. >> Okay, we have a proper motion in a
second. Any other further discussion? >> If not, I do want to add one thing, mayor, just to answer a question. We have $447,942 in the Better Place fund. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Would you please do a roll call? >> Commissioner Burton.
>> I. Commissioner Moore. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Lorie. Hi. >> Commissioner Devito. I here Myers. >> I. So approved. >> Thank you very much. Next item D. Requesting approval for purchase of reversible tamping plate and a water wagon at $7,500 total. Um I do want to
add this that I didn't put in here. This cost is for basically brand new. The temp. I would say it would be important to get something brand new because of the um the nature of its use
and uh and to get a a proper warranty. Um but it's the smallest piece of equipment that uh not only enhances operational efficiency but also ensures quality workmanship ultimately leading to long-term savings and pro and improves public satisfaction. Right now
I am not satisfied with our patchwork. Um but I mean because Eva has been press before and it hasn't >> he's the same one that did it last year. >> Wow. >> So it was the same person that did it last year and he actually is um is very
good. It's any pressure washer is going to be and it's for a short period of time and and it needs to because we had it painted and we've got to maintain it and that's the problem is we do this repair work and then we don't maintain it. >> That's correct. We don't ever maintain hardly anything. >> Correct. >> Um
>> once it's done >> this is definitely this is definitely a tool um from a maintenance perspective not just the watering perspective but the maintenance perspective this is a very important tool for public works. I it would be one of the first things I
would go for if I was a public works director in a new place. It's just can be used for many many things. Um and uh and having it when you need it is is very important. >> And the tapping machine, if you'll notice around town when they've had to dig something up, they're having to
manually do it. And that's why everywhere it is is you go like this. You go like this because they're they're doing >> I agree with the tapping language, you know, going around watering. I say and I think that we should do that. >> And the water too. I mean it's important >> when they're working on some of these
these roads and things they need that water. They also need that water. Correct. >> Yes. They do. Correct. >> So I just want to make sure that if we if we approve this equipment, this equipment is taken care of. That's another concern that I have is that our equipment is not properly cared for.
>> This particular piece of equipment I would like to look at on on the on the use side. um surplus from another municipality that may have one that's a few years old. >> Could a water line? Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. >> Okay.
>> So, may I have one more question? So, and do both of these items meet the technical requirements for better place fund spending. So, equipment that's going to last five years to test. >> Yes, ma'am.
>> Okay. All right. I'll entertain motion, please. >> He wants 7500. >> Um, I move that we approve purchase of a reversible tamp and a water wagon for up to $7,500
from the better place fund. >> I'll second. >> We have a proper motion and a second. Do we have any further discussion? >> I do want to add one thing to that. Just so you all know, we have $72,242 under item three for equipment. This would bring us down in the mid60s after
purchase. We still have money left over. >> Okay. Commissioner Burton. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Moore. >> I, >> Commissioner Lori, >> I. >> Commissioner Devito, >> I Myers, >> I.
>> Okay, thank you. Uh, next item. I don't want to get too excited on this one. This is forformational purposes only. I had to put out there that out there first. We have been in discussions um with FPNL on options to >> We're on the fire truck.
>> Did I jump? I jumped. I'm so sorry. >> I'm so sorry. It's easy to do. Just ask me. It's easy to do. >> All right. So, we're going to be on E discussion about the acquisition for fire apparatus. Um chief is here. Last
meeting we discussed Chief and myself writing out over to Ocala uh to look at the company that had the truck. I told Chief I wanted him to come in and report to you where we were at in that process. There were a couple things that came to light uh since that time. The NFPA 1900
that I've been made aware of and I would like Chief to discuss that with you all. And uh Chief, you have the mic. >> Uh I just want to catch everybody up on on the way fire service works forformational purposes. We're governed by different things. Uh, NFPA sets all the standards for health and safety.
That's the um national uh fire protection association. They cover all of our equipment, our gear, everything like that. We're also governed by state statute 633 and Florida administrative code 69A. So, we have to fall into these guidelines and everything. In doing
research, uh, we have found out that per NFPA1 1900, the front line, so your first dude fire truck life expectancy is only 10 to 15 years. At year 15, NFPA1 1900 recommends that truck gets moved to a backup truck only. With that being
said, our current truck that is our frontline truck is 13 years old. >> So, it puts us in a time restraint in a couple of ways which I'll explain. Um, also the issue that we have with our current truck, it was produced from 1996 to 2015. Uh, our truck is in 2012. So
the company that was actually producing that model of truck no longer produces that model of truck. So it creates another issue like if something was to break or we were have a mechanical failure something like that we can't repair it. Um we can if we can find the
parts but they're even hard to um so due to the fact that it's not produced due to the fact that we only have two years of useful life in the truck per this FPA standard I started looking into some things. Um, I also went, like he said, to the Matheni company, um, in Ocala. They're E1. It's a brand that builds
There's only about four brands that build fire trucks. That's the closest one to us. Um, they came and looked at our current truck and the condition that it's in. They offered us $140,000 for our truck without equipment, just the truck. Um, luckily for me, I know the
guy down there, so he cut us a break. That truck usually sells between 80 and 100,000. So, they're pushing it all out for us. Good news is at Matheni currently sitting in Ocala, they have a fire truck ready to go. Um the trucks,
which you hear me now, that's the only good numbers. Trucks usually sell for 1.3 million. They took $430,000 off the price of the truck instantly. Um but that being said, he said he roll in the 140,000 on top for our trade in. So it brings the price down even further.
>> And what's that price? Uh it would be with taxes and everything in the low to mid750ish range. >> Why are you paying tax? No, we don't pay tax. >> Yeah, we don't pay tax. >> Oh, that's correct. I apologize. So with stickering and lettering and all the
stuff 800,000 somewhere between 700,000. >> Good point. Thank you for that. >> Um so that also being said, uh it creates a couple of time issues for us. The two time restraints we have is we need to find an apparatus roughly
ideally within the next two years. The other time restraint we have is that they have a truck built on the ground ready to go and it takes if we were to purchase one at a later date roughly three years. So it will push us past the point of our truck's life service. So create some issues.
>> This is a truck This is a truck that's brand new. >> This one's brand new. Okay. So, have we been looking at trucks that maybe were built in 2023 or >> Yes, ma'am. I have that information for you here as well. >> Okay. >> Um, so I looked at new and used fire
trucks. The So, this is a brand new truck, full warranty, everything that comes with it. The used trucks come with issues. Um, the you're going to get a used truck that's going to still have that shelf life of 10 to 15 years. So, most of them have already
been used for 8 to 10 years and they're still in the price range of $500 to $800,000 and they don't come with warranties or anything like that. They have mileages on them. We don't know what's wrong with them. If there's something broken, that's an added expense. We'd have to reick sticker it, reabel it. So, it's
almost apples for apples with this specific apparatus. Um, the other issue u that we're going to have is like I said, someone pushes to pass our time on it. They do have a couple of So they given me two trucks. There's one that's there
currently. This is all the information on it. And they have an additional truck coming out in June. Beyond this, it's three plus years for another truck rolls out. The one that's there currently, they're at 870,000. Right now before our trade in, the one that comes out in June is will be
between 1.3 and 1.5 million. Um, beyond that, I can't find anything cheaper than that. contact all the other companies and um so that's where we're at with that. The good news is Mini because it's in Ocala and um they build trucks from Florida State Fire College Tampa
everywhere else. That's the reason they had an additional one is they order them in bulk and then there was one left. They offered us a couple of payment plans. Um the first one if we were to purchase it they offer a 10, 12, and 15year plan with an interest rate of 4.9
to 5.6 six depending on where it is for purchase. They also offer leasing, but leasing will depend on the time when we're actually down there to lease it. And I'm not sure how the trade would work on a lease, but they do offer that. They also offer in those plans um they
recommend an annual payment, but they can do quarterly, semianually, monthly. He said he can break it down anyway. We need it to work with us as a city to purchase and apparatize. The good news is all the equipment for the apparatus will just pull off of our current track and transfer over. So as far as
equipment purchases, we shouldn't have. So that's the information I have for that. >> So how many years would it take us to pay off of 700,000 $800,000? >> Uh well, like I said, it would depend if you did a plan for you could do 10, 12,
15 years or you could do leasing. Um, the other good thing I forgot to mention is if we get the truck in December, they defer the first payment to the following December. So, it's technically an entire year with the truck without payment. >> That would allow us purchase.
>> Ask a couple questions. >> Absolutely. So I I heard you say that there's a standard that suggests that a truck be moved to secondary status when it obtains a age of 15 but what are the consequences if you don't meet that
standard >> u if we don't meet the standard it would be so my understanding is so this is coming from NFPA real world though I mean correct >> and and I and I don't mean to obviously
Just want to make sure that as a small town with a budget that's very tight, um I understand it great to have new equipment and having dealt with fire departments for a few years, city manager at Black, I understand that it's
neat to have new stuff, but my question is in a real world functionally, what's what's the consequence if you if you push that 15-year limit a little bit? I know city of black has a ladder
truck that's like 25 years old. 20 25 years old. Now it's reaching the point where I think that the cost of repair is you know outweighing is the efficiency but has an analysis been done of where you are if you they're giving you trade
value on this old truck that's and you're going to take the equipment off the old truck. So that tells me that the equipment's still functioning or you wouldn't be putting it on the new truck. >> Correct. and and and the trade value means that the truck itself has value. So, is the truck not usable?
>> So, let me back up and answer your first question. Um, if we push it, so NFPA sets our safety. So, we push that truck and something happens and it's still a frontline unit and we don't have it marked as a spirit or designated as a spirit could open us up to legal obligations on that point.
>> Well, help me with that though. I mean, if you're going to get opened up to legal obligations if something happens, I don't care if it's a brand new truck. That's agreed. So like with our fire equipment, it has a set standard. It had like our jackets fire and handle 500° or
800 degrees for however long. If we knowingly go into a fire with gear that is expired, we personally can be sued or whatever else. So same with our fire efforts. The difference is if we have the new equipment and something happens, we're within guidelines within code with
everything that's required by state Florida. Um, with that out of date and push past, we are willing knowing that we are going past the point that is recommended or guideline by the state of Florida and we're pushing that to the extent >> again. But you're telling me that you're taking the equipment off of that truck. It seems to me that the equipment is the
part that is, you know, your your critical element of the truck. Truck's a platform that gets you a tot truck. >> So, our equipment gets replaced every 10 years, just like our fire gear. Okay. >> Um, it has a shelf life. So, all the equipment on the truck is new and up to speed. the truck itself is where the
problem is. So the equipment will be transferred over because it's all we do host testing, we do equipment testing, we get um servicing for our extrication equipment. All that stuff comes off. >> So So it's the platform that gets you to the scene and then your equipment helps
you fight the fire. Correct. Well, trucks last one. I mean time trucks last a long time. >> They take care of them. I have to agree with a long time. >> So I I'm not trying to >> No, I I I understand. I'm just trying to ask some questions because I I understand
>> this is a lot of money. >> In the ideal world, you know, you buy a truck every few years, but you guys don't have a lot of you don't have a lot of extra funds. >> And also to answer your second question, you brought up the cityification here. >> Um the city their ladder truck was not a
first year response and it is being replaced currently. I thought you >> I know it is. I I get that. Um but it's a ladder truck and I understand they have that ladder truck because it helps them maintain a certain ISO rating. So >> correct. >> So do you what is the ISO rating in your
jurisdiction? >> We will fall under the county at this point. >> So the county setting your ISO rating anyway. >> Correct. >> And the county is going to be a at least a uh an additional response team to to to your folks. Mhm.
>> And and it's the county that's setting your ISO rating which determines your insurance costs. So, I'm just trying to Don't get me wrong, you're you're a fire chief and your job is to do what you're doing. I'm not being critical of you at all. I don't mean to take it that way. Your job is to do what you're doing. You're advocating for equipment that's
going to help your fire department operate at maximum level. Sometimes you can't afford to operate at maximum level. I'll just leave it at that. I'll shut up then. >> Commissioner Devita. >> Yes. And um Chief Razer, thank you very much for this information. It has um
this is my second term on the commission and um I've always thought that our our fire department budget was not really sufficiently integrated into the city budget. We don't have really long
range plans. I do have a question about the money that was supposedly set aside for fire truck. So, this is very good information. However, um we we cannot make a decision like this
in a vacuum. This is in a I mean really it is a very significant expense to agree with city attorney and commissioner Burton. Um, so thank you for that. But well, I have
one question. Um, and maybe this was um being hopeful. In the information sheet provided by the city manager, it said there might be grant opportunities to fund this truck. >> Yes, ma'am. So, the problem I'm running
into, there's a couple. There's appropriations that we can get from the state manage grants. the city's received so much appropriations for the fire station and everything else, right, that no one's willing to give us a grant, >> okay, >> um because of the amount of funding that we've currently received. The
appropriations we could possibly get later, but as I was explaining, my concern is that >> so to to be accurate, um we really do not have the possibility of grant opportunities from the state right now. And by state, you mean state
agencies, >> as far as I know, >> right? because we we have received the grant for the fire station and I understand how that would work. But I guess to the rest of the commission and the city manager, um
we it's not a normal thing to negotiate with the head of one of our departments about how to make a significant expenditure like this. we would need to know um how this fits into our budget as
a whole, which I think um would be very difficult. But I think that we need this to be fleshed out by our city manager and our finance director um to show us how we could possibly
fund this. And if it's not feasible, then we need to come up with plan A, B, and C. um because this this is a lot of money. >> Go ahead. >> And and that's why we're having this discussion now. Um just to bring it to
light that this is something that we need to have on our target for the next couple years, whether we're budgeting for it or whether we're going after specific grants or appropriations because the one thing that we can do is ask for this. And since we are spending
a significant amount of money on a new facility, we we will be looked at, you know, a little closer that we need of the equipment to the facility. >> I don't think that's how it works. >> Did you I I'm going to this tingle with the state. She had talked about those
grants. Um and she's and now she's telling you that we wouldn't >> she >> because she encouraged um encouraged the application for for that if you wanted a new truck if we felt like we had a need for a new truck for us to look at that.
Correct. >> And I think first and foremost that's the first thing. >> That's the first thing we need. >> Yeah. Well, those are those are appropriate. They're different than a regular grant. So grant wise I can't get a grant. appropriations or >> and that's what she would do is that's
what that's where that would run through >> right with that process though just like I said just so we're all aware it's going to push us past our our time frame because even if we got the appropriations say two years from now then I I put in a purchase for a truck and it's three years before the truck
shows up right >> um and we'll be past our NFPA standard of moving into a spare >> is anything else over there pass its lifespan. I mean, >> no, ma'am. The other equip So, all of the city equipment is up and running
perfectly. The county equipment, they can rotate in and out because they're constantly buying and changing. It's just that one apparat belongs to the city. It is going to be out of date within the next few years. >> How old is the count? >> Um, one of them is I want to say it's
seven years old somewhere in that range. I don't know about the other two. >> I know Mr. times when he um in conversation with him, he he had he had said that those the vessels >> to get you there, the lifespan on them
was much greater than >> well because there's they're not frontline for our department. They're like I said, you can have them up to 25 years after being 1900. That's not the problem. The problem is what we are classifying for the city of Crescent City. That is our engine. That is the
city's engine and it's a year 13. Well, this is I I have to agree with my my um you know, the commissioners here is that um right now I don't I don't see how we could how we can how we can do this
>> and this is a conversation I think that's going to lead us into another direction that um we need that another workshop on this with the fire department and where we're going to go with our with the fire department. But um I I don't know that we have that
funding. And the first thing I think we should probably do is is look at the appropriations grant in this and find out, you know, what the chances of that what the chances of that would be. >> Sure. >> Um so I mean that would math as far as if
we do a 30-year or 15ear >> quick numbers on that. I just just wondering >> you're wanting annual payment. >> Yeah. >> Uh 85,3 question. >> Yes. >> Um so who maintains that truck? In other
words, had a motor home freight liner maintain it? Who who maintains your truck >> as far as like repair? >> If you have something that has to be fixed, you take it to a big truck. Correct. Repair. So we we were taking it to um well Chief Hel was taking it to a
cow to get maintenance and we just got on the maintenance program with Keith their fleet maintenance or that does our fleet maintenance there. >> So you're doing your fleet maintenance in house >> the maintenance program that uses >> over here at uh at the office right
behind us shepherd sheep sheep >> they have a company >> that was in the manager's report and I have a question about that. I'm not quite sure about about that. >> It's not not at Shephardd's. It's a different um I don't >> It's not Shepherd's Sorry. So, what kind of platform is it on? Is it on a freight liner? Is it on what what's the
platform? >> It's a Ferrari intruder. >> Okay. So, so my question is this. Um and again, I'm just trying to explore some things because I know your budget. What what's the possibility of
of uh having someone who actually is knowledgeable about maintenance? I mean, you it's it's a truck. It's got components like trucks or motor homes. I understand it's very expensive. So are motor homes these days, but you know, there are folks who who are very well
verssed at maintaining the suspension and the you know the the engine and the drivetrains and all that kind of good stuff. Is there and you're you're using somebody just a local mechanic for that? >> No. >> Well, I'm trying to find out who. >> That's what he's saying though. Wasn't
but now with this key. I mean, is this our key? >> Yes. >> What's going on with that? I mean, that's that's the question. And the manager, >> the problem that's coming up is like I like I explained, the truck is so old the parts and stuff are hard to find. So, regardless of who you get to manage it, finding the pieces and parts to work
on it. >> So, um I wish I had brought with me. I apologize. I don't have the paperwork, but Keith has a a company that works on fire trucks, big rigs, stuff like that, actually come to the station and repair. They come on site. So, we need to
clarify. We need to clarify that. Not the R key. So, okay. >> No, no, it's it's a Yeah, I have it. >> How many miles does that truck have on it? >> That truck has just I think it's got 28,000 miles. >> Okay. So, I know that's a special use
vehicle and mileage is tough on it and that kind of thing, but is there some is there's got to be somebody who's an expert who can say, "Okay, regardless of age, look at the mileage, looking at the components, the truck is safe, it's not safe, it's, you know, it's going to be
it's functional and likely going to be functional for a while like you do with, you know, anything else, an airplane, a motor home, a big truck, a car. Sure. Um, aside from the technical standards that I understand you you were very very well, you know, inform us about that, but aside the technical standards, I
think the commission needs to know what they're dealing with in terms of the truck. You know, I understand suspension components on a firetruck are probably given a lot of wear because you guys, you have brakes and all that kind of stuff. It's, you know, it's heavy as you're put using under extreme
conditions and same with acceleration and braking and all that stuff. I'm just it's a piece of equipment. I know it's red and it's got fire on it and and that's cool, but it's a piece of equipment. I'm just wondering whether somebody can give the commission a you know a functional assessment of the
truck, the platform, not the equipment because you've already you've already described that. >> Sure. Yeah. Like I said, the truck is functional. Um but just further clarify what you're talking about. During the lifespan, this truck's running at high RPMs to a steady motor as they move
water. It's got a pump in the back. the motor has to operate. So everything's running high. >> So you got hour an hour meter as well, a hot meter as well as aometer. >> And then you know you got the truck that weighs 32,000 lbs with 1,000 gallons of water, 8.33 lbs per gallon speeding up
and stuff, your suspensions, your brakes, your calipers, your, >> you know, all this stuff. Even though it's got low mileage, it's got a lot of wear and tear on it. >> Absolutely. >> Then that comes back to the point where finding the parts to replace it because it's no longer made becomes the issue. >> Yeah. So, make sure I'm not in any way
advocating that you put somebody out there on a truck that's got a problem stopping or going or suspension or anything like that. I just I'm not an expert. They aren't experts. It would just be helpful if somebody could look at that truck and say this is what we
think you got out left on it with your your rate of use. So, 28,000 miles and it's 13 years old. >> Yes. So, I mean, obviously that's less than two 2,000 or so miles a year. A little over that. >> I have money on my truck.
>> Yeah. >> But like I understand different. >> I agree. It's different. And it's got I don't know how many hours the engine has on, but I understand it's when it's sitting there, you got that engine revving up, pumping all your pumps and stuff. >> You know what I'm trying to get? And I
think right now that you know we haven't um for us to do something like this to consider this right now we did not even put this into our budget. >> Oh this is not anything for consideration right now. This is in informative to allow continue to allow chief to work with the state and find
any means that you know through grants or appropriations with the where we got the the money before to see if we can continue to see if we can get a truck. >> That's what we need to start with. >> That's where we need to start with. Well, that's not the presentation. The presentation was that we have >> we have a payment plan. We have a
payment plan and we've got a truck out there that >> is available. And you always have to wonder, you know, you always have to think about this too is when a company is discounting it over $400,000. You know why? And that's the first thing
that >> Well, the reason it was discounted, it was part of an or so a larger part like in >> it doesn't matter. I I I I understand. So there I know there's a reason, but I just right now I think the biggest thing is that continue to maybe work with Miss
Tingle and see what the possibility what the possibility is. >> And even if that appropriation takes from today takes two years, okay, the truck still has, you know, two years left supposedly before whatever's going
to happen to it. Um if we can get an appropriation, that's really where we need to start. Yes, >> that's the important piece of it. >> Well, and these kind of trucks do come up again. >> Yeah, I know. It's great think that we have them right now, but there's going
to be other ones that are, you know, extras on order, ones that returned or whatever. So, I mean, it happens rarely. Commissioner Vday, the chief has a question. >> Just a comment for my fellow
commissioners. Um, my concern is based on what the chief has presented to us is that we may find ourselves without a truck and out of compliance in two years. That >> I think sounds like what he's saying. Yeah. >> So
one what? >> Meanwhile, we have two years to save $96,000 a year. >> No, I I understand that part and I made the calculation myself. >> Okay. >> What has happened here and that is unusual for me because I'm not good at
that. What has happened here really is that we have had basically the equivalent of a staff meeting and a commission meeting. I mean, this is helpful information, but um as the city attorney said, we're not experts on fire trucks. Um
>> sorry, I disagree. This isn't a staff meeting. I have he needs to bring this to us. >> No. >> Yes. For discussion and now he knows how we all feel about it and we're going to send him out and say we're not ready to purchase this. You go ahead and and continue to look at appropriations and
permits. >> Okay. But we don't negotiate with our department heads. We need to look at all of these things in the context of the city budget. And number number one, um we still have the unanswered question.
Um we had a response from our finance director that yes, there was some amount of money set aside for a firet truck a number of years ago and we do not know what happened to the money set aside. Correct. And that's part of isn't that
what we got back from what Commissioner Devito reached out directly to our auditors on? >> Yeah, correct. >> Okay. I mean, >> and where are we at? Where are we on the 250,000? >> Would you like I mean I can I can I can talk and then you can pitch in as well.
So, um I had to ask staff to continue to look at this looking at the history what was what was uh requested at time. So it seems that between the time frame of 2013 and 2017 around that period that the conversation had taken place on
possibly taking this money and doing a set aside. There has never been and correct me if I'm wrong, Steve, but we've looked back in history. There's never been a line item specifically for a firetruck or money set aside into a line item for a firet truck. And Steve,
you can take it from there, but that's that's where we're at right now. Yeah, I spoke to Debbie Peacock and she said that there was um a second uh cash account that money was supposed to be put into when it was available, but she doesn't think that there was ever like a
specific $250,000 like set aside ready to go. She said there was just u whenever there was going to be extra money would be put in there. And then when we went to pool cash, everything kind of got mixed together. >> And so and didn't my understanding did somebody speak to have you talked to Patrick Kennedy? >> I personally did not, but it was our
staff member. It was Keith that had talked to to Patrick Kennedy and Patrick Kennedy said that he knows there was conversations but that there was never an account and this was third hand is what I'm being told from Keith that there was never an account specific with money in it for a firetruck. It was
discussion a high level discussion. >> Okay. So there would always have to be in order to have that money set aside in a budget there would have to be a line item somewhere in the budget to set that money aside. >> Okay. My concern is that no, there never
was a line item, but it is on tape somewhere. Debbie Peacock sat right there and told the commission than 2018 that there was a significant amount of money in a cash account set
aside. We did our accounting differently then. So, I guess what I'm saying is um it sounds very plausible to me that when we went to pulled cash that that money
was dispersed and basically somehow we spent money that wasn't really properly accounted for and brown bags and go out the back door. What do you think? >> Yeah. >> Um no, I think I would sincerely doubt that would based on the people who
worked here. I hope it didn't. Um, but that obviously is something that we should do our best to account for. But moving forward, um, we have a significant issue with the fire truck. I think it needs to be looked at in the
context of our whole budget. And, you know, we do have to be cognizant of the fact that better place money, one of the primary purposes of it is for police and then fire vehicles. So, I'm just saying we're not experts on firet trucks and
also we need this put in the context of our whole budget in the event that we do not receive a grant or appropriation which um seem you know it's a it's a long shot the state saying they don't expect as much money in going
forward as they have in past. So, I don't know just we we need the big picture on this. >> Okay. Okay, >> thank you. >> Okay, let's move on. >> All right,
get back to it. I apologize. >> This is the one you said don't get excited. >> Do not get excited about this one. All I just wanted to put this out there because this is a great opportunity for the city. Um, and right now we're just still working through what the costs are. Um, these uh this number F, item F
is for FPO. FPNL uh LED lighting solutions. This is for central. This is part of our master plan. This is things that have been discussed for a long time. Um these options here are the options that staff is putting forward for us to um at least right now look at.
No decision needs to be made. I'm going to bring the cost and and a report executive report to you all once I finalize with FPNL. Uh because they have not provided us the final cost. I I just wanted to bring it up to show you that these are the items and and eventually
we're going to have to have a workshop to have a discussion to choose uh as a as a uh as a body which ones that we're going to go with >> and this would replace all the lights down central all the way down to the lake. >> All of the lights I believe it's 28 lights. Yes, ma'am.
>> And to the end. >> Yes. >> And to late to lake to light. Now I have been told that the only cost that's incurred to us is in the labor or contracted cost to run new conduit. They would provide the conduit and the wire. We would have to provide the company or
the subcontractor that would be able to directionally drill that pipe. That is the only cost. The offset uh we'll have LED lighting. So there's a savings, but basically we paid through our billing. And this is how this is done. >> And these would all be done through the billing. And so they're going to get you a comparison as to what we pay now and
what these would cost us and the difference with that. >> I'm waiting on it as we speak. >> Okay. And these would be concrete poles. >> Correct. >> And they would not Yeah. Instead of what we're dealing with now with the fiberglass and >> Yes, you are correct. >> And they might stand straight. Correct.
>> Yes. >> No leaving towers. >> Okay. So, you're going to come back to us. I am. And I'm hoping to have a full report for you for the December meeting. >> Commissioner, do you have any questions on this before we move on?
>> I would just mention that in the in um I think it was the the UF plan that they did for Central Avenue, >> they had done they looked at historical pictures and what we had was more like the acorn light that was hanging from our arm than what we have now. And so if
we want to be historically accurate, we would want to go in that direction. >> The teardrop. Yeah. Yeah, like a teardrop or like in the hall of fame. It had like a big shade around it and it had light in the middle. I don't know if that that sounds right to you guys, but um it would be
better. I mean, the lights we have now are kind of weird that they just light up. Why are we lighting it up? We should be lighting the street to the street. That's just my feel. >> Patrick Kennedy said for years that those were the acorn lights on the wall
lights. So, I I don't know. I don't remember seeing this in the We don't really have a master plan. We have a CRA plan. I don't remember seeing this in the most recent CRA plan, >> right? No, I mean I don't see anything
about replacing the lights in the CRA plan that we adopted. But you're saying we wouldn't be paying for it from CRA dollars? >> No, we would not. But would we be running new cable under the street? >> The only cost it would be under the street. It would be in the rideways and
the and the only cost to us and we don't know what that is at this time would be for directional drilling of new conduit. They would provide the conduit and it would provide the wire. We would just have to provide the labor to put it in the ground. And I and I don't know what that cost is at this point. >> Right. So what the new CRA plan does
provide for, at least it shows, is new landscaping on Central Avenue. So would would running the wires mean that we could not have any additional landscaping on central island? >> No, I don't I don't believe so. Not at all.
>> These are closed uh conduit uh and and then all sealed when you run the directional drill everything is sealed. So >> and it would also allow for us because none of none of those outlets they don't have any outlets that work out there. >> Correct. >> Up and down the street, >> we can tap into that. So, with us trying
to enhance Central Avenue and to invite new businesses and people there, um it would be nice if it looked >> once I get the information, I'll email you all and then we can discuss uh individually setting up a workshop and what works best with everybody to discuss it further.
>> Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Any other questions on the LED lights? >> Sorry. No. >> Okay. >> All right. Our next item is impact fees and effects on the city. Um, this is something that's uh really important I wanted to bring up to your attention. Uh, the new impact fees in Putnham
County, Florida are poised to directly affect homeowners and businesses in Crescent City through increased development cost, which will likely translate to higher housing prices and potential impact viability of new commercial projects such as our incoming Dunkin Donuts. I do have and passed
around to you all this letter that was given to us from John Griffy, which is the owner of Dunkin Donuts. Um I can read it or mayor if you like to read it um we can discuss what he had have written. >> I think um I I asked you to put this on the agenda. I asked for this to be
placed on the agenda and meeting with the mayors um recently and I think I shared this a little bit and we might want to have a workshop. We might want to have this for a workshop. Um the county I guess when they were going through the implementation of their um
impact fees, they did not realize that um my understanding is they did not realize these applied to municipalities >> to the municipalities until either right there at the end or after the fact. And so all of these and if you'll look at
the if you'll look at the rate sheet on the back >> um Palaca I believe and Don you can probably speak to this better they have impact fees correct and so if if the municipality has impact fees that
overrides the county's impact fees but otherwise they're placing these same county impact fees on the other four municipalities who do not have impact fees. Right? So, the mayors have have talked about this and and have and and
there's some some some significant concern especially as we're trying to invite new businesses in um that possibly the mayors join together. Um but of course I can't do any of that until this commission, you know, uh
approves that. that we join together and start the discussions um as a group with the county as to as to what we can do. And so when you look at um from Mr. Griffy who is looking at doing the
Dunkin Donuts here um I guess he has put in in there that um he just paid $31,000 in impact fees in St. Johns County and and most counties have impact fees if not all counties have impact fees but most of
them do have some sort of an impact fee and it's to prepare for further growth and um you can't use it for um loan payments, you can't use it for maintenance. There's some stipulations
on impact fees, but he said um that was to build a new Duncan in Hastings and that building is 1,700 square feet. um based on the master fee impact um schedule here in Putham County has decided that a fast food restaurant
impact fee is $52.25 per square foot or $52,000 >> per thousand square feet for a drive-in restaurant for a drive-in facility. Um and that would turn his 31,000 that he
paid in um St. John's County to $88,882 he would pay here in Crescent City in addition to his buildout costs. And he said that would certainly make the decision to stay in St. John's if he's correct about the fee calculations. Um I
had I've had extensive conversations with Zach who who who was instrumental in this um and Zach Baker with the county. Um, and I've I've talked to him extensively
about this and and asked him basically what was their thinking with what was their thought process with this. Um, when they place some of these, I mean, if you look at if we were to build a clinic, which would probably be more of
an urgent care facility per thousand square feet, that's $18,911 per thousand square feet. >> I have a question. >> Yes. >> Okay. So when you say the the proposal is the
cities will band together and pass the counties what you could do but then you mentioned paca already has an impact fee. So can you clarify for me if the city has an impact fee do the county's fees apply also?
>> No I just said that they supersede >> they the municipalities would supersede the counties. Okay. So, what if >> So, our only other option >> is that we do an impact. We couldn't do
anything until we did an impact study. Correct. >> So, we'd have to have an impact study. And I've asked um Mr. Martin to get us a price for that. We're talking and and possibly the last time we talked about it upwards of about $100,000. It >> cost that much in Pala. >> Huh? Did not cost that much. Okay. How
much? 33 30 33 35,000 for the impact fee study we did. >> Well then that's much better for us because the last time we had this discussion I think that's what it came back anywhere from 70 to $100,000 >> depends on who you ask and you know if
you'll pay at the last port >> and I mayor um if I could because we had when Mr. RD was here. We discussed the possibility of impact >> number different companies. >> So one question I have, thank you for being so proactive on this.
>> One question I have is I mean it well a first observation. It certainly seems that it would be more beneficial for Crescent City to set our own impact fees and to receive the benefit of those impact fees. >> Exactly. that um and so because the
county would have to I I don't know they had a study done. >> They did have a study done, >> right? I'm saying so they must have arrived at their impact pace through a study. So it seems like um that might be a more difficult um initiative to get
carried through to get the county to change their own fees. >> Well, they can't. >> Well, I don't know that they can. Exactly. >> Except for an interlocal agreement. And if you look in this, it requires them to have an interlocal agreement with each
municipality, a participating municipality with an interlocal agreement. >> So my question is, what are the consequences of opting out of the county's impact fee for instance, you just heard when you talk about fire trucks, right? >> You're depending on the county right now for your ISO rate. >> We are.
>> You got a truck and I know everyone likes to have their own truck. They like their own police department, all that good stuff. Fact of life is you're dependent upon the county for your fire protection by and large. That's why your ISO rating is based upon the county, not you. So my question is, what happens if
you opt out of that county's impact fee? Do they say, "Okay, no problem. Now you figure out how with your impact fee, you're going to take care of all these functions." That's my question. I don't know the answer right now. >> Yeah. and we don't either until we have that discussion with them, I think, and
find out what their what what their thinking is and and what their thoughts would be on this. But I think we need to open up that discussion. Now, um, as a homeowner, if you if you remodel your
home or you add an extension to your existing home and it still say stays that single family, there would not be an impact fee. Um and right now they're saying that our impact fee is going to be the same as what it is in the county.
Um now they can use that and on transportation and parks and wreck have to be used for that and they set aside the St. John's River. So anything anything that comes in for that would be used um either on the east side of the
St. John's River or on the west side of the St. John's River. But this is just I think a conversation that we need to have and that's why I said maybe we need to workshop this to see because the same thing goes for in in what I was getting
at before you asked your question was with Zach is is with some of these fees being the way they are and with knowing that we are we are desperate for economic vitality and bringing businesses into the community.
what was the thinking? And he said their thinking was is that if to use up the buildings that are currently established, okay, for them to build out those those buildings that are currently established, there's some incentive
there because um if it's the same use, there are different factors. Don, you could probably speak better to this. If it's the same use, same footprint, then there is definitely a reduced cost, if even a cost, um, but if you expand that,
if you change the use of it, then they have to go in and and figure out what that impact fee cost would be. >> Okay. >> So, there's I mean there's a there's a lot to it. Um, >> really is. >> So, essentially, well, it seems like it
would be beneficial to get whatever they wrote to report to the commission. Um I certainly appreciate all the work you've done and I think that um we need to look at several options including the one
that you propose to join with the other cities and have a discussion with the county. My question also is um we could look I mean I guess in the context of what it you find out with the
other cities um perhaps we should look at our own impact fee and I understand um that's a a good logic to try to do infill before you eat up um you know bank property. Is it possible? I don't
know. Um maybe our city attorney can speak to this. If all of the municipalities in South Pent, you're talking about in South Pent or >> no interlock. Yeah. >> Right. If all of the municipalities are
maybe are interested in having their own impact fees, do we can we join together and hire a firm or does that have to be done absolutely separately? I don't I don't know the the whole idea of the study is it has to you have to
have measurable criteria for determining your number of the amount of the feed. >> Right. >> And so I would suspect that the impact in Crescent City is different than the impact in Interlockan. Yes. On the
infrastructure and and I mean they got a fourlane running through. You don't you may have sometime but you don't now. you know, the whole nine yards and that would be the thing. But some of the basics might be uh you know, some of the some of the basic information
uh might be easy to for for a for a firm to sort of use and cross use. I don't I don't know. We have to get that. What we did was put out an RFP and had a interviewed a couple different firms and you know the county the city had a they
have a different they just they had already had a water sewer fee the county did too but they've added now uh additional for you know various things and as I said my my first question would simply be what happens if you opt out uh
are you on your own on some of these things and that's going to be a big a big big deal for And that's going to be more the fire. I think the fire of the news is anything because right now it's like I brought to their attention, we are opted out on on water and sewer. And I think the only ones that are not, it's
like East Palaca. I think it's applied in East Palaca because they do have water and sewer. So they did opt us out because we have our own water and sewer. Um, I brought to his attention that we also are already paying the sheriff's department to act as our police
department and that includes the car maintenance um, which is part of an impact fee. Um, he said they were not aware he was not aware of that and you know might have to take that into consideration. I asked Commissioner Newbold to get for us um a white paper
basically to break it down for us so that we would have a better understanding of the impact. I mean I I don't I don't know where we go with this, Don. It was just one of those things that that it's placed upon us now. And like the Cherry Street
development, >> you've got 13 homes going in there and that's kind of been held up because of the septic and the sewer. Well, now they would come under that and to they a developer can come in, they can get credits by offsetting properties or
something that they of value to us, but for us to offset anything, you still have to once those impact fees are in place, you still have to make up the difference. So it would be if we were to ask somebody to come into our community
and they asked us to wave those impact fees, we would have to pick up that cost or the county we'd have to split that with the county. >> It's a complicated question. >> It is. >> I mean, the knee-jerk response is to say, "Oh, no. We we don't want impact fees and that'll make people come in."
But just just recently we looked at an agreement anou regarding extension of some water lines and they were talking about reserving capacity. Well, um that's what your impact fees
are for is to help you increase capacity so that you can accommodate new growth. Otherwise, if you use up all that capacity, water plants, sewage treatment plants cost a whole bunch of money. And if if the new growth isn't going to pay
for it, then the existing taxpayers are going to or else your growth is going to be stopped anyway. >> Right? >> So from my perspective, it's a complicated question. I certainly understand not wanting to pay impact fees. Uh, I do think that that point about existing buildings, that's
probably the most effective way you have of getting existing buildings back in flood because otherwise, I mean, there's a lot of things you can do that sound good about making people fix up buildings, but the fact is there's not a demand there, you know, for a service.
Most landlords and property owners aren't going to go spend a bunch of money fixing a building if they're not be able to rent it and get a return on it. So that whole idea of the of avoiding an impact fee and and and basically encouraging people to use an existing building, it's valid, I think, in my opinion, right?
>> But again, it's complicated and I've thought about it a lot and I still don't have don't I don't think I've got the one and only opinion. I just I do think it's complicated and more complicated than just to say we don't want to because that >> and I don't think we can say I don't
think we can say that because >> I didn't mean y'all. I mean in general. Yeah. because that monies all these monies that are being spent here we don't know those monies are not necessarily going to come back to us. So if we have our own impact fees at least it would be benefiting our streets
>> our you know because right now he said this goes to their street to you know to the county roads and I said well the only one we've got is 308 out here that's a county road um that that would apply to us. Yeah. Um, and he said, you know, and and and so that's something I
think we need to have this discussion. And >> you you bring up a great point. I mean, I and I'm not trying to say yes or no because I don't I have a lot of thoughts about it both ways, but I just I think that it's really important for you to understand the consequences of opting out. And I don't know the consequences.
I don't know. >> I don't even think we can. I don't think I don't think at this point in time we can. I think the bigger conversation is when the county commission places something like this on us that that they possibly need to make sure that we're all made aware of it prior to them doing
that. And and that's a conversation I think where the mayors are with this right now is that to catch us by, you know, after the fact and not even bring us into the conversation. If if if say Aldi comes in and Wendixie does want to build or Walmart marketplace wants to
build, that's about 38,000 square foot is their average. Publix is a their average is over 40. You're looking at $10,777 per thousand square feet. That's a $400,000
cost that would be incurred for us to get possibly a full another full service grocery store in here. And those are some concerns that you know as we're trying to >> it's all valid. I will also tell you that when I was at the city and we were trying to understand where all of our
police budget was going, 40% of our calls were at Walmart bars, >> primarily shoplifting. >> Um so I mean there's a whole lot to think about. I know $80,000 sounds like a lot for Dunkin Donuts. I don't know
what Dunkin Donuts generates in revenue in a month. I know when the life's down the road, you know, so I don't I don't know and I'm not >> and developers I think know that this is awesome. This is often the cost of doing business. They have it throughout the county. County has one.
>> Maybe the uh you know I I don't understand you know why the wide disparity between what St. John's charges and Putnham. I mean that sounds like a really valid talking point. If you say, "Yeah, we understand we got to pay something, but why we got to pay twice what we pay it in St. John's?" And
that's why I said it's I don't think I have enough information to talk about it really from an informed perspective except to say that I inac you know there's a lot of a lot of reluctance to work with it. Then we had a study done and they showed us what we were looking at in terms of our infrastructure and
you know pipes in the ground from 1880 and streets that needed repairing and using up capacity in your water and my goodness the cost of a of a of a sewage plant is absolutely amazingly high. And you look at that and you say well we're
going to get growth slowed or stopped one way or the other. either we build in some way of paying for an expansion or we run out of capacity and then it stops anyway and then so I just but but your point's well taken and quite frankly I didn't know that it applied to
municipalities unless municipalities uh I I thought if they didn't have their own because I wasn't part of I didn't keep track of what they were doing really didn't have a reason to >> but um yeah I I didn't know that it applied automatically to you guys >> the counties I it. Yeah, it it they
didn't I guess they didn't realize it either until after until they said, you know, after the fact. But and that was a question I asked too is that if we were to do our own impact study, could we is there any way to save money because we could piggyback on we could piggy back on what was already done for the county.
>> Could you That question hasn't been answered yet. That was another question that I had. Um could we piggy back on to that? >> That's a good question, too. >> To save us some money. So anyway, um it's food for thought everybody. Uh probably um I don't know what direction y'all
want to go or if you want to. >> Yes. Um I think I would like to move that we authorize you to move forward to continue your inquiries um either individually with the county or in conjunction with um other interested
municipalities. um and to bring back to us what you find so we can think about what to do about the situation. >> Authorizers, that's her job. >> Well, >> well, I'm saying we're I know she's asking and >> if I speak out if I speak out, you know,
so I just didn't want to do anything. I just wanted y'all to know it's a conversation. Um >> you don't mind. I'm going to check into it a little bit too. We represent Interlock and Pomona and you and quite frankly, nobody's raised this point. I hadn't heard until Mayor H. He is
he is he is not happy. >> They may have raised it tonight. They had their meeting tonight. >> So Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. So we do want to go ahead and give authorization. So
>> motion to authorize the mayor of city. >> I made a motion to second. >> That was my motion. Okay. favor. I >> I Okay, let's move on. >> All right. And I do want to add one thing to that. Dunkin Donuts said they
are coming to Crescent City. Don't worry, they will be here. So, um >> and thank him for doing the comparison for us. >> Yes, I will do that. >> Let's go on to our special meeting request for a city manager evaluation. >> Okay, so this is just a cut out of the
contract. Um, per the contract, uh, there's a first six-month evaluation that had to take place. Um, I've attached, and I'm not sure, and I apologize, is what I could find. I attached an example of the previous evaluation,
um, that was utilized for Charles RD. I don't know if that's the proper six-month evaluation or a year, if they're all the same. I don't mind. Either way, uh, I would like to know what I'm doing right, what I'm doing wrong, and we can set up a time. And uh and that's what this line item is for.
>> Okay. I remember when we did this, he had two different ones and I remember when we did this one and I I actually I like this one. I'm that this one was >> pretty thorough. >> Pretty thorough and and easy to um to
work with. Okay. So, we need to set up um if everyone's in agreement, we need that first. if you're in agreement with this performance evaluation to use and then we need um to set up a special meeting prior to the December 2nd date.
>> So is everybody look at the evaluation? >> Yeah. >> Is everyone Can I have a motion for us to use this as the evaluation or is there something different? I need something here from y'all. I move that we use the evaluation performance city manager to evaluate our current city
manager. >> Okay. >> Do I have a second? >> Yes. >> I'll second it. >> Okay. So, we have a motion and a second. Do we have any further discussion on that? >> I would like to add one thing. Um, and
again, I don't mind. I'm down with whatever you all want to do. But part D of the contract says that the city and city manager shall mutually agree to the evaluation process that will be utilized. The process at minimum shall include a a written evaluation prepared
by the city. Number two, an opportunity for the parties to meet and discuss which we'll talk about. And number three, a presentation by the city of a written summary of the evaluation results. The the formal written evaluation shall be delivered uh within 30 days of the evaluation meeting. And
it just says on here if it's a a fairly writer commission to conduct an annual review, it's it's not a breach of the contract. >> Okay. Are you in agreement? Are you in agreement with this evaluation form that you provided to us? >> I'm in agreement, Mayor. >> Okay. I know. >> I know, but >> I just wanted to read it and say,
>> but he has to be in agreement with the performance evaluation form. >> So, um, and I think isn't the way we did it previously. Um, we filled we filled out our forms. Um,
>> and you turned them into um the clerk and then the clerk hand them over to me and I tallied them. >> I tallied them and reported the findings, >> right? So, um, and that seemed to work fairly well. >> Yeah. I mean, you're willing to do that
again. Um, so before December, I looking at my calendar. And also, don't we have a request to meet with FGU? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> They're available after the 17th of this
month. >> So, December 2nd is a Tuesday. Um, so if everyone wants to look at the week before Thanksgiving, where is everybody? Um, next week. Does that give you enough time? I don't know that you want to run
it into Thanksgiving. >> Um the only other thing is we meet on December the 1st, which is the Monday following um the Thanksgiving holiday. >> Um as far as I know, I could meet Monday
the 1st. I'm also I'm available to meet Monday the 24th or Tuesday the 25th. That would give us a week to do um to do our evaluations. Okay. >> And get them in. Um
I'm perfectly I don't know. >> I'm available. I'm available on the 24th. What does everybody else look like on the 24th? >> Sorry. >> Tuesdays are much better. >> Well, then it would have to be Tuesday the 25th. >> Okay.
I'm good on both days. You're good on the 25th. >> Yes, Commissioner. I mean, >> we have Trinity Garden 10:00 a.m. Ma'am >> at 10:00 a.m. So, it has to be after that. >> Can we meet in the afternoon? >> Um, what is your schedule?
>> Okay. So, let's let's go ahead and plan it for the 25th. Let's do it at say 1:30. Is that good? >> Sure. >> Call Derek's evaluation. Yes, this is a special meeting. This
would be a special meeting. >> Okay. Before we um I I do need for this evaluation, we need to vote on the evaluation. >> All in favor of the evaluation form, we have a proper motion in a second. Please say I. >> I oppose. Nay. Okay. So that's the
evaluation form that we're going to use and approved also by the it will probably take place but Katie can be very Katie is usually very flexible if we tell her 2:30 but it's 2:35 >> right >> then that would be I think you would be
>> would you all care if I told him 3:00 give us a little break in between >> I was going to say I I would probably like benefit from a break and probably our city manager might benefit from a break >> okay so 3:00 you would tell them 3:00
and that's going to I believe that should also be a special meeting and not a workshop just in case we have to make any decisions or give any directive. >> Okay. >> Is that in agreement? Everyone's in agreement with that. Okay. >> Yes. We'll have that advertised properly there. Okay. Thank you. >> Okay.
So, let's move on to we've taken care of that. You've got on here special meeting uh discussion and updating utility services. So, I've got a couple of issues. Um, just from regular business, meeting the public, going out at to sites, uh, and
just doing work with Keith. Um, we're going to start out with utility repair. It was brought to my attention that the current code that we have and I provided the code section 3242 maintenance and plumbing system that the existing code places the entire responsibility for
maintaining, repairing and cleaning the water and the sewer pipes at the connection of the property owner to the main. The problem is we have a lot of mains that run down the center of the street and not necessarily the rideway. This puts this puts the owner responsible for digging the road up,
replacing the pipe or connecting to our main pipe and also replacing the base work and the asphalt uh as well as any curving work that may have to be done or sidewalk repair as well. So what I'm asking is that we can take a deeper look
at this. I would like to um look at what other municipalities have. I know that in where I come from before and what I've been working under before is that the city provides a lateral uh that is proper material. Right now the laterals that we have were probably placed about
40 to 50 years ago. It's called Orangeberg which is basically compressed paper and tar. Um, and this is literally for sewer. Uh, and and they've used it for storm as well in certain places, but um, it's met its life expectancy. And if
we don't plan for this and properly take care of this, we have a lot of homeowners that are going to be incurring a lot of cost. I'd like to see if we can change this code. >> Yeah, many of us are very well aware of this. >> Okay. Okay. >> Um, some of us are not, but many of us are. >> And I'm not asking for a decision
tonight on what the language is. I'm asking for you all to allow me to come up with that language working with staff and propose it u at December at our December meeting. >> But um don't we also have to look into the cost to the city? I mean that's
always been an issue that the city has operated by putting that cost on the homeowner. >> Correct. >> So, you know, we just had a discussion about our budget. >> Correct. So, can you come back with
costs as well? >> Yes. And it's going to have to be a multi-tered approach and uh it's going to have to be looked at in regards to a larger CIP plan and something that's going to take place years to come. They will have to plan for and maybe section out places in the city, areas in the
city that need it the most uh or have the the issues of that orange pipe. Um that's the first thing. The second is another one that's even uh more alarming to me in the sense of our liability. Uh and I talked to our attorney about this
and that's our section 60 or 2673. This is our construction and repair of sidewalks. Um we it's a duty of the property owner procedure upon failure uh of owner to act. That is our sidewalks 2673.
Um, we placed the burden on sidewalk maintenance and repair on the shoulders of the private property owners. Um, this has caused us to have a different look of sidewalks around the entire city. Uh, if you look around there's they're not uniform. Um, there's a lot of areas that
are unsafe. The biggest question is again when it comes to cost, uh, how much can we take care of per year and how can we plan for it moving forward the future? But I believe that we could we could do that if it's properly planned. The other thing is that uh we're liable for these areas that are in
the rightway. If someone were to hurt theirelves, um we we could be sued. Um it doesn't matter what uh our code says if it's a property owner's responsibility. There are some that are private property that that are issues.
Um and that needs to be taken care of by the owner. But if it's in the rightway, I think it's our responsibility to take care of the the safety issue. The way it reads, wouldn't it be the the uh somebody stepped on a sidewalk that they shouldn't have? Right.
>> Doesn't it kind of read that uh since I always have because I'm the owner of, you know, the house, you know, behind the sidewalk, right? >> And it's trip and your head, go to the hospital. >> It almost reads like if I didn't maintain that sidewalk that it would be
my fault. >> Can I can I read it that way, Don? I think you're going to both get sued. >> Everybody's there get sued. Yeah. >> Yeah. There's a problem. You got a problem. >> Okay. Um because I said something. Um I've looked at this ordinance for years
and tried to figure out exactly what it means. I noticed I think it dates from 1958, doesn't it? >> Um and I I think I looked into this a little bit. Um, I'm not sure that the difference in the
appearance of the sidewalk is because they're put in by the homeowner or not. I think it's the different times they were put in because, for example, when the multi-use trail was put in, the sections of that are different. Um, the
mayor noticed that at the time. Um, one thing, um, that I looked at when I was just looking into this in general was some cities require the homeowner to pay half. Um, that's an option in some cities. I
think the city of Crescent City is supposed to have control over the appearance and the style of the sidewalk. Don is not nodding his head. should have. >> Well, I think that we have that, but I I do think it's a burden. I think it's I
think we put more of the burden in Crescent City on the homeowner. Obviously, we don't have a lot of money to repair sidewalks. Usually, we don't do them historically, unless it's a CBG grant or the multi-use trail. Um, and the one thing that I've never known is
there's a line in that ordinance. I'm not looking at it right now because I can't find it here. um that says the city shall designate certain streets and I don't know um BJ historically or dawn
legally um does that mean if the street has a sidewalk then the city designated it or do we need to affirmatively designate those streets >> I have to see the the wording >> it says it shall be the duty of the city commission to designate certain streets
or parts of streets where sidewalk shall be constructed and maintained at the expense of the owner of the real estate along with which such sidewalk shall be m constructed and maintained. >> So, and trust me, given the lateness of the hour, I'm not asking for an answer to that right now. Um, I just I think
the city manager has raised a good issue because our our sidewalk ordinance is quite old and it probably could use updating and it sounds to me like it could be a little more clear. I think that your point is well taken though that the proper and probably most
appropriate way to go forward would be to have the homeowner contribute to have the city be responsible for the construction. That way you you uh have some control over uniformity of construction specs and and and and also you know the actual just technique and
and and quality. Um but that that ordinance does sound like it's way outdated. I don't know how you're going to enforce it either, quite frankly, unless you're going to >> bring a code case or something against the homeowner. I don't know what you're going to do. >> Obviously, we haven't. >> Yeah.
>> Um, and then we've got like at the end of Eucalyptus, the gentleman down there, he's every time I'm running down there, he he's out, he shows it to me, it gets worse and worse, and that's from the um garbage trucks running over it, you
know, and so that's not his it's at the end of his property. and it is it is it's crumbled. Um but that's the garbage trucks and from the nursing home those big delivery trucks and and he watches it happen. >> Um and then we would be asking him to do
that. >> Don is there something a mechanism when we say that we would split the cost. Is there something in in taxing? I know. I know. Like an example, somebody did a
seaw wall for 19 homes and they built that over time into their into their taxes. >> Well, they might have done something like an MSBU or an MSTU. I don't know. Um, it's going to be problematic. you
>> because I don't know if you'll get complicated enough to do something with a garbage fee, but you know, the first problem you've got is you've got probably different conditions of sidewalks all over the town. Some need repairs, some don't, I guess.
>> Um, and to now go back out there and selectively decide that this homeowner needs to come up with half of the cost of repairing this one, but this homeowner doesn't. There's a practical practical issue there as well.
>> Yeah, >> for sure. >> Okay. >> I know that in the city now, and I just keep using that as an example because I track what they're doing. They're requiring all new construction to include the cost of a sidewalk. >> Okay. Um, so even the sidewalk doesn't
go anywhere, which you know that you can imagine how that goes over, but you know, they're requiring it if there's front of the uh the rightway in front of the home along the street, they're requiring a sidewalk to be installed at the cost of the homeowner. Well, DOT was
and we had to have that wave with Lockite and that was a sidewalk that goes >> nowhere >> from nowhere to nowhere, you know, and possibly if they expand to a four lane there, you know, it could be lost to that, too. So,
>> okay. >> I think they're good issues and um I think it's worthwhile bringing something back to us. >> Yes, I will be doing it. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So with that, let's move on to our city manager report. Um, do you have anybody
in going through the city manager report? Any questions? Um, I have two questions and I think the city manager has two questions and one is much more important than the other.
Um, the one being the tree grant. >> Okay. Okay. The purchasing you mentioned to me that with the bids and you need soul source, >> correct? So, I'm glad you brought that up and I was going to get that uh get to that since we're here on my report. So,
as part of the report um and a request that was made before we had um gone out for for we put together an RFP. So, we talked about this last time making sure that we were doing the right process. I felt uncomfortable even with the state grant representative saying don't worry
about it but don't worry about it but at the same time do what you got on your books because that's what we're looking at. So we put out a proper RFP. I've got zero bites on it and I'm asking permission to soul source to go directly to a company and just get the quotes and
and and purchase these trees. >> And that's on the trees. >> Yes, ma'am. on the 50 on the or the 35 trees the $5,000. >> So my understanding is that you had already that the the tree and garden they had already talked to are did you
make those companies aware down in Pearson? >> We did through the tree and garden and some of them said they didn't want to bid on it after they already gave us a price. I have not called them myself but what I'm asking permission to do is just reach out to them, make sure that we get
the best one. The the concern I have, the biggest concern of course is making sure that we get the quality of tree that we need and I believe that we have resources in the tree and garden board that can possibly help out with that. Um but uh uh we have to get this done and I would like to get plants in the ground
within the next two weeks. Um so I'm just asking permission to move forward to solicit directly >> instead of the RFP because we got no bites. And so my question is my question would be to Don um through this if you were to
get just like with us when we did get different quotes for painting a building is it possible that he could go to three different companies and get quotes for that. >> So what's your uh purchasing orders required? Is there a threshold that
above which you have to get written uh bids or you know most most municipalities have a threshold of $25,000 or something that require written bids and below that you can do uh above 5,000 you can do three telephone calls. Do you have anything in
your ordinance that effect? >> I believe so. I believe that's what we have. There is a low a low this this meets a low requirement. >> Follow your purchasing ordinance. If you can make three telephone calls and get three verbal bids then fine. Okay. >> If that's what your threshold is, you said 5,000 look.
>> Is it 5,000? You said I look 1,000 for him to be able to spend. He can't spend over the 1,000. There's a lot of confusion always with that, but that's what he's allowed. He can't spend without authority over the 1,000. I
don't know that. Where does the charter speak to it directly? >> It says upon approval of the city commission, the following expenditures may be made without competitive vote bidding. All expenditures include expenditures for real and personal property acquisition not exceeding $1,000, expenditures for salaries and
contracted personal services, expenditures for work done in the operation of any city department, expenditures for parts, supplies and materials necessary to make purchase of repairs, blah blah blah. So it's over $1,000 you do. >> H that's that's a low threshold. That probably needs to be changed too.
>> But oh that's in your charter. >> That's in our charter. I know it's >> the issue seems to be and without looking at the charter they did an RFP they didn't get responses there was a time limitation with the
grant are we able to authorize the city manager to go and um seek you know to make a direct purchase. Well, you said you said your charter says that if it's over a thousand, it
has to be a competitive bid. Didn't that what you read? >> Does it say competitive bid? Doesn't say without authority that following speakers may be made without competitive bidding. So, everything else has >> But doesn't that say with
read it again for Don let read it again if you would. >> Upon approval of the city commission, the following expenditures may be made without competitive bidding. So, >> approval, all expenditures, including expenditures for real and personal property acquisition not exceeding
$1,000. >> So, that says a th000 is your is your threshold. You got to have competitive bid. >> So, this is under a grant, too. So, this is a little different. >> So, my suggestion would be that you and I know this is difficult, but my suggestion would be that you call and
ask them to please submit a bid. even if it's not one that even if it's high submit a bid and u you know you're going to have to have competitive bidding according to what your charter says that's that's a really difficult
>> provision to work with. >> I I don't think we interpret it that way because we we do buy things without competitive bid that cost more than $1,000. I know we do. Well, >> um, >> what he just read says that even with
approval of the commission, you have to have competitive bidding if it's more than a thousand. That's what he just read. >> Read it slowly, BJ, if you don't mind. >> Upon approval of the city commission, the following expenditures may be made without competitive bidding. All
expenditures, including expenditures for real personal property acquisition not exceeding $1,000. Expenditures for salaries and contracted personal services. Expenditures for work done in the operation of any city department. And expenditures for parts,
supplies, and materials necessary to make emergency repairs to protect property or preserve the peace in the event of emergencies such as a storm, riot, or conferation. That's a terrible provision in today's world. >> It says all other expenditure shall be authorized and directed at the city
commission only upon contract to responsible bidder submitting the lowest and best according to written specifications previously prescribed thereof and after publication in the newspaper general circulation one time a notice calling for such bids. Wow. Send
publication to be not less than 10 days before the date of receiving such bids. The city commission south shall reserve the right to reject any and all bids submitted pursuant to the section. >> But it doesn't say what. >> So you solicited bids pursuant to spec. Nobody did.
>> Nobody. >> Right. >> It was advertised properly. It was on our website. It's been on our website. We got >> y'all talked to Lori at Starling. You talked to flowing well. And who else did you talk to in in the from the tree and garden? What other tree companies did?
>> I believe they reached out to Perez. Did they Perez? Did they reach out to Harper? >> I've got the list in the office. >> They didn't have to give you numbers. >> Nobody didn't give you numbers. >> Nobody bid on it. Nobody knew. But they we have numbers. Prior to the RFP, the
board had direct solicited and got quotes from multiple companies, three or four companies. >> I'd say go with go with your lowest one. I don't know what you're going to do with that provision, though. I don't I think you're violating that every day. >> That's what I'm saying. And so do we need to authorize him to do anything or
do you are you advising he just goes forward and does the best he can? >> No, I think you I mean you've tried to do the solicitation, you advertised, you did all of that. You got zero response >> at this point. I think that he's doing the right thing by coming to you and saying, "Hey, I tried. I can't get
anybody to respond." And then in my opinion, you should authorize him to go forward and if he can if he can go directly to the person that gave at those low the lowest bid. >> Okay. So, mayor, >> could I make a motion? Yeah. And the the
way I'm going toward this motion is to authorize him to make purchases from more than one entity. And the reason I'm doing this is because the grant um in the grant that specifies that we are
going to buy certain kinds of trees and not this is the way the nursery business works. Not all nurseries in this amount and in this time frame, we'll be able to supply all of those different trees. He will most likely need to go to either
two or three different nurseries because we're not buying pipes, we're buying other things. So anyway, so um I move um given that the RFP um that was pro um
advertised by the city manager was not successful. that we authorize the city manager to directly contact vendors, more than one vendor, um to purchase the trees um required that are required
under the um Florida Department of Agriculture grant. >> Second time. >> Motion in a second. Um another concern that I would have I have family in the tree industry in the tree business in
Pearson. Um, and my concern is that your lowest bid, the quality of the tree that you're getting. >> That's that's my concern as well. >> And so that's something that I think all of you need to be aware of is the quality of the tree that you that you're getting because there would be a low bid
and to clarify the grant is very specific about quality of >> comp. Well, but your your bid is lowest and best. >> Yes. >> And I think that you're allowed to take into a lot of considerations in determining what's best. >> Okay.
>> So, that would be that's just what I would say is sometimes the lowest is not always the best. >> So, okay. So, we have a proper motion and a second. Do we have any further discussion? Do we have any comment on this? I know we've got um everybody good with it.
>> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Um would you please do a roll call? Commissioner Burden. I >> Commissioner Moore >> I >> Commissioner Bory >> I >> Commissioner Devito >> I Myers My apologies
>> I Okay, so approved that fire truck's probably going to go by about five more times tonight. >> I was going to say >> 28,10. And mayor, I have one more question. Yes. Not very serious maybe. Um, we we
are waiting for direction from you. Are you expecting the city commissioner to be part of the Christmas parade or would you like us >> No, I was going to um I was going to talk to you about that. First thing um is a parade marshall. And in speaking to
Maryanne, we've talked we just talked about that this evening because we have to have a parade marshal. Um Dave, huh? >> Yeah. Yeah. Grand Marshall. Dave Frank is just celebrated 45 years.
>> And I think we um if if everybody would be okay with that that we possibly I don't know if he'd be willing to do it, but if we have him >> um as our um parade marshall, especially since he would be retired. He's looking to retire >> and that's a long time dedicated service
to the city. Um, so if everyone is in agreement that >> that's fine fine with me and I was just going to say if for any reason Dave doesn't want to do it. >> You're not going to do it. We're not going to let you be the parade marshal. >> I'm not asking to be the parade marshal.
I was going to suggest Gail Herman. >> Yes, that's true. because Herman recently retired and Gail is a for she's a former paramedic but >> I know she did I'm not sure with it but she was
>> yes so so anyway so um I'm hoping Dave will be delighted >> okay so everyone's in agreement with that and then for the um for the parade of course everyone it's December 6th at noon we're lining up um dignitaries will
be in the elected officials will be in the South State parking lot. Um I know Commissioner Burton had said that um if you wanted to I don't know how you we've been walking >> right and we have a banner >> and we have a banner
>> um that how you want to how you want to do this but Right. Um, and he had three pages of recommend. Well, an entire page of recommendations about things the city
should do um possible because apparently they're not they're not meeting the past two months. >> They haven't been providing any any proposed agenda at all. >> Well, that's not what they told me. Several members have come to me and said
they keep getting a call from the from the city saying that >> meeting because there has not been anything to meet on and so bringing that to their attention >> that this is something well they would have to have >> right >> planning and zoning items that's because
that's the planning and zoning board. So knowing that and that's what Mr. Weaver that it needs to be brought. So thank you for bringing it to their attention. Mr. Martin, would you please make sure that the historical >> I've got a note of it right now, ma'am. Thank you. >> Okay. >> We will meet next Thursday.
>> They're going to meet next Thursday. >> Yes, ma'am. That's >> okay. >> And on the previous days, we we have actually reached out um past the deadline to try to get them to give us an agenda and we have not had any
success. So, we can meet that. >> Do we have um is there anything else? Don, did you have anything? >> No, thanks. >> I Commissioner Mor move we adjourn. >> Um, no. My my apologies. The clerk um
handed out um in front of you there's a binder with minutes. >> Yes. >> I would like to set those um minutes for special meeting, please. Prior to November 26th. >> Okay. There are 23 sets of minutes
to be approved. >> Good job. Um, we need to do it prior to the 26th. >> Yes, ma'am. Prior to November 26, please. >> Why does it have to be done before November 26? >> The clerk would kindly address the
commission this evening since Commissioner Devito asked. The clerk will tender her resignation this evening. My last day of employment with the city of Crescent City will be November 26th. Okay. Well, that's a good reason. Okay.
>> Thank you. >> All right. Okay. So, we need to get those taken care of. Um, >> when are we meeting >> next? >> The 25th.
>> That's a long day. >> When we meet next week, >> I'm available. I'm available next week except for Tuesday. Um, okay. I cannot I cannot meet Thursday. I don't know. So, mayor, you said you're
not available Tuesday. >> Um, I'm >> How about Wednesday? >> I I am available Tuesday. I am available Tuesday. Anybody available on Tuesday? >> I'm available on
Let's do Let's do 1:30 in the afternoon. Yes. >> Did that give you enough time? >> Yes, ma'am. >> So, 1:30 in the afternoon >> and this is a special meeting. >> And this is a special meeting.
>> Um, the only other thing I I think that I guess that's it. So, we have a motion to say we're right at time. >> 1:30. >> I have a motion. Do I have a second? I have a second >> motion and a second. All in favor,
please say I. This meeting >> Yes, sir. >> I met with him and he's going to come back. I asked him that he would allow us