##VIDEO ID:3nofa1NelkM## 8 2025 the time is approximately 5:2 p.m. um will you do a roll for us please yes ma'am commissioner Deo pres commissioner Lorie present commissioner Mo pres commissioner Burton here mayor Myers pres City attorney Donald Holmes here and in the audience we have assistant city manager Christina Marie and we have our hrp manager Sheila Walker thank you thank you for doing that and with that um commissioner would you us an invitation please let's pray dear heavenly father we want to thank you once again for allowing us to be together we thank you for your grace and for your mercy we ask to be with us tonight as we make decisions help us to make the corre de cities and Lord we forever praise you we give you the highest praise Lord keep us well and keep us with much knowledge and keep us going keep us give us strength keep on carrying on all these bless we do ask in our son Jesus name amen flag States of America thank you Commissioners thank you um and Mr Holmes and Mr Hansen Jim you're in the audience correct you're in Zoom can you hear us okay okay okay just make sure you were there thank you all for coming um this evening felt that it was um necessary as as you all know um Mr flowers I think after much um going back and forth um Madison has Madison Florida um was on his Hills and has um given him an offer that he felt at at the time that he that he really couldn't turn down he had it's my understanding that um that he read through our that he read through our contract and there were a few things that he needed to that he wanted to tweak but of course for in order for us to tweak it and it was on Friday afternoon um we would have to come into a meeting and so we of course didn't have time to do that before Madison met and this was what was related to me I'm going to ask Mr Hans um because I asked himim to reach out to him um and so it was one of those situations where you know obviously he's not a Gambling Man says you know if you have an offer I'm not sure if we would accept our offer um so he did go with Madison which is a Charming community um and so with that um I do not believe that he has sign the final contract I do know that they had asked him that if they met those demands would would he um consider taking the position can't speak for him um but I don't know I know how he is trying to figure out housing over in that area much like over in our area um finding housing is is difficult so so we need to come together and we've got some decisions that we need to to make um and you know first and foremost do we take up and consider his additional request um and re offer do we um bring in the other candidates do we put this on pause um or do we uh um and then advertise at a later at a later date um so before we get started um Jim would you did you have a chance to talk to Mr flowers I did there anything that you can convey I think the biggest thing is we need to know you know um what we did and how we can do better in the future said really like City and wanted to come to work there but long and short of it is I think to put it just in briefly work very quickly he said one thing that really caught my attention uh the mayor and attorney from Madison watch your commission when you were working on the contract and what to approve and immediately after that Commission meeting they called him and basically up the um they offered basically everything you had offered plus they in turned said will will increase your pension contribution from 10% to 15% and I think there was something about not having probation in there but I think they were they were very quick to try to basically hireing before you could I think you're right you said he has not signed the contract yet he is looking for a place to live there and not could sign contract unless he had Place Live but he didn't say anything to me about continuing to consider pres City but that's the situation understand thank you well let me just speak for one here he really did have an advantage coming to us first medicine had Advantage excuse me to listen to the negotiation and then give him everything we offered plus um I'm not getting into a game of ping pong period so you you can go from there no he's not going to be add more stuff you know because they gave 15% and expects 15% they did this they did that little bit more a little bit more we were right at the the very end of what we could give them we can't really give them anything more and that's where I'm at okay thank you um Mr holes would you can can you go over some of those additional things that after he looked at his contract just so that the commission has has an understanding kind of what he I mean he he forwarded me um a copy of that but do you want to go over it just to kind of so the commission knows um I don't think he was asking for a 15% for us for retirement um but do you want to go over that well I will but yeah so and maybe I misunderstood that I was under the impression after our meeting um the zoom meeting we held before the Friday that he had accepted your offer and I guess I was a little bit puzzled as to why he was still negotiation with Madison um at some point commissioner Burton commissioner buron please please commissioner Burton could I make a request about our order I've appeared by zoom and even if you're on Zoom I think it's possible to ask the mayor to recognize you before you speak commissioner B I'm going to ask that um Mr holes would you continue so the uh call that I received from you mayor was that uh he wanted to make modifications to the contract offer in that he wanted to uh receive uh one half of the the way we had provided during his probationary period were terminated he would receive nothing from the city uh if he made six months and then he was terminated he would receive 20 weeks pay he wanted to split the difference he was terminated during the first six months he wanted 10 weeks pay um so it wasn't a pure probation period with without compensation he be termined it was a it was a reduced compensation was terminated during the first uh six months secondly in the contract I had provided that he would receive reimbursement for moving expenses and an amount $4,000 he said he did not want uh or the way it was conveyed to me he did not want reimbursement he wanted a flat $4,000 U so it be cost $1,000 to move then he still got $4,000 and those were the items that I recall you mentioning you mentioned to me that Madison was being at 5:00 and they were going to make their offer and so you know you and I discuss the fact that we can not we can not make a decision on trying on whether to beet his demands that the only entity that could make a decision would be the commission and U and and that's you could do it by 5:00 there was no way to get it by 5:00 so that's what my understanding was of this reasoning that okay and and let me also let me let me just clarify this um Mr flowers is not jocking back and forth between us and and Madison this is something that just for the commission to kind of know what his requests were and whether or not we want to to do anything but right now he's not asking us um to um to do that that's up to that's up to us um unfortunately we are on zoom and everybody not fortunately and unfortunately um Madison is not so we couldn't watch their meeting on Friday afternoon to see to see what took place um I will I will say this though um that um Mr flowers um that he and his wife after the first negotiations that we had with him um that evening was very concerned about and he reached out to both Michael and um Steve about this he was very concerned he had he was not aware that our um cost of family coverage was as much as it was and so he was looking into a cobra option that he could offer that was significantly less that he could do for 18 months as a way to try to save to save us money um so regardless um of that I I thought that to me was was was very you know considerate um when you work with the at the will we're going to be faced with this now we're going to be faced with it in the future when you work at the will of elected officials I've done that um there is no guarantee and so when you come in and and you're looking at these positions um you do have to in some way try to protect yourself as best you can um and you know and I I talked to Jim about this yesterday and so Jim um you know what please tell us in the marketplace right now what is going on what are we competing against because um you know we want to be as desirable as any other community so that we can get a talent here that is going to take us into the future the way we hope to be taken into the future that a question for me yes yes okay um first me point out I can't get in the middle of your negotiations understand very for me to get I callow mayor request just to try to find was there something wrong with City that that you know you may need to be aware of hold on hold on one please I'm so sorry okay just hold on one a moment please commissioner has a question okay um what you're asking Jim is kind of something that I put on my list of things to bring up would Jim would you and I never know where to look here I guess I should look at the camera um would you be more uh comfortable speaking to the mayor's question if we first resolve the position of where are we in our search are we still on Mr flowers in any way shape or form or are we trying to decide what to do in the future would you rather answer questions about how to make ourselves a more attractive um uh position for a city manager should we decide that first I would like to hear from Mr um I would like to hear from Jim first just simply because he can maybe shed some light so that we can determine if what we did with and if we want to revisit the the flowers offer or if we want to move on so I think that would be I just want to know basically in the marketplace what is going on I can answer you the question I mean because we've got some demands in front of us and we're going to always have these type of demands in front of us so well from a from a competition standpoint I was not surprised to hear uh any of the things that he had asked for uh in the deployment agreement and the draft agreement that we put in our search guide It's online uh has language for a lot of those things because that's pretty common for example a sance agreement with the manager um in Flor law Bally 20 weeks you can't give anybody s more than that nowadays but um um I think you should understand that somebody that's you proposed to sell their house move to your place buy a new house transplant their family they've got a tremendous investment and they they want a little bit of protection through a seance Clause that for whatever reason other than them doing something illegal immoral that they not fire uh anytime soon um so that's that's a normal thing being trying to get a certain amount of money put into a pension fund instead of being on the city pension is pretty normal because city managers often leave cities before they invested in the pension plan so it's better to put into 401 so you can basically take your retirement Provisions with you U car lances or city Au issue car standard uh you have to get if you going use your own vehicle you should get reim in some fashion from that so all that's I say from the sal sal standpoint um I think you're probably in range what a lot of North Florida your size but U I wouldn't think that $110,000 a year is orate um I don't have Rec manager as I would like to have in front of me but for example I was just looking today at the IC newsletter from other jobs that the only two jobs I had for city managers Florida for much bigger CI so they're not comfortable but just just to give you a couple thoughts here City Del Beach is advertising fornal aitor 112 179 FL beach is looking for community development director 69,4 Beach also advertising sanitation director 62 to 103,000 Mar fla is looking for performance budget director Sal range 12550 goes on uty director plan 97 to 153 so it goes on there several other positions advertised so it's not that um that what what you're certainly not out of range uh certainly you could think more and get possibly more candidates I think the real issue point out you now any of the other candidates acceptable do you want to move forward with any one of them and so I would recommend that you authorize someone to do negotiations and do it quickly uh because these people probably also look at other jobs you don't want to get yourself in position having before you able to I hope thank you yes very enough so thank you um with that so so we do we have like we mentioned the options now I will say this that um Mr bhart um he's not here this evening and he has really stayed out of this he left this for me um for each one of you commissioner Burton I apologize um but basically um he has said that if we need him that he would be willing to stay on for another um three three months up to um 3 to six months um in in a nutshell it's his recommendation and he has done this as well that that we um you can read it that possibly that we should put this on hold if we're not going to um as far as re advertising um and he did say that if he stays that um he would like um an additional um his salary to increase um at at to 9,000 to 9,000 to 9,000 a month we're paying him 7500 7500 by now um and um you know um so that so we have that option we have that option as well so so what up for discussion um commissioner you have some sure um okay first of all and I know things are moving very quickly um I did not expect to hear when we came in today that there were additional conversations or possibilities with Mr flowers um I I think that whatever came to the mayor should have also come right to us so that we could be aware of that I cannot do that okay I can not I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go down this route this has been no there's no route there is a route there is it's a route that we're going to go down and and Don I talked to Don I cannot call y'all individually and talk to you about that I don't want to be called individually what I am saying is if there are Communications going on we got an email from the clerk and this doesn't I'm I'm not finding fault I'm just explaining what I think would be helpful and there's no need to be upset about it I'm not suggesting that you contact us individually however it is possible as I understand it from prior City attorneys that information can be provided for example we received information from the clerk that Mr flowers had declined our offer so that was the last thing I received if there is additional information such as there have been additional um Communications with Mr flowers that would be something that I think it would be helpful for us to receive simply so I'm not saying anyone that's done anything iner but it would be helpful for us to receive so that we all have roughly the same information and when we come to the meeting that's why we're having the meeting okay so that we can do this in public and we can do it open and I can share with you everything that that I have heard and has been said to me okay but then we're on we're on the back foot we can receive information prior to the meeting it can be factual information it shouldn't be anything in the nature of conversation and I guess um at a later time it would be helpful to have Mr Holmes clarify for that for us but anyway leaving that aside um I really share commissioner Burton's opinion that I think to me the matter with Mr flowers is concluded um for a number of reasons we thought he accepted our offer and I'm not saying he wasn't a desirable candidate but um it was the ultimate package was more than we anticipated receiving I mean re anticipate paying so um I I think it is time for us to decide how we want to move forward that's why we're here that's why we're here that's the whole purpose of the meeting commissioner Burton you have your hand up well I just wanted to make sure that uh first of all I'm going to stay with what I said earlier but and just to be a little more pleasant maybe um what were the I just want to make sure of what his his new requests were um you know so that we can you know just go back and minut it what were Mr flowers new requests to put on to uh what he already what we've already offered uh I'm sure Madison's probably watching this now so they can do better but but uh what were those requests again just so I I know I wrote down but I want to make sure I wrote down correctly so he said that the annual and si le payout that um during this probationary period that if we were to without cause release him he asked for um 50% um upon termination rather than the so it would be 10 weeks whe rather than um rather than the 20 weeks he asked for the 10 weeks um he asked for anyone s leave payout that it would be um s leave let's see the initial draft um approved benefits be paid at 100% and evaluation timeline he just said that the advise the revised agreement now specifies that annual evaluations will occur on the anniversary of the city manager hire date this clarification ensures consistency and accountability in the evaluation process um I guess that wasn't clear in the contract and that his um relocation that he'd be PID the 4,000 um without it not being a reimbursement I guess it was on the front end to be paid the 4,000 and also he requested the inclusion of membership in the American Association of Municipal Executives um and the list of professional memberships covered by the city so those were that's where his additional those were his additional um that he was that he would have that's what he sent to um I guess Mr holes um last Friday last Friday afternoon after he had had a chance to go through and and look at look at the contract so that's that's that's where he was and um but just to be clear he's not asking us toet we could reach out he's not asking us he's not asking us nope he's not asking us but just so that everybody knows what the additional you know we need to we do need to know we do need to know that I don't think that he's doing this on purpose I mean he's looking out for his family trying to take the best absolutely I mean and I I have no ill will towards I think he his heart I truly believe his heart was here and this was a very hard decision thank you I think that we have an opportunity to take a little more time with Michael offering to stay three to six more months um he certainly uh is been a God sent to Crescent City right now uh and take our time and look at other candidates that's that's where I'm at um if some point we need to make a motion here and figure out you know what we're doing you have something I was just going to ask Jim I mean is there any problem with us just reopening the position and leaving it open for 90 days or something like that because I felt like we were really we were very compressed at our timeline and I just I I really feel like and and I'm not sure how many places we had it in as far as you know advertisements I know we put it on the floor Le of cities and I think fccma but did we do the mcma and stuff the stuff that was that we had to pay for the listings I need some some of those things on that list were you had a cost associated with them sh yes we did okay I I just didn't know that I wanted to I mean we can wait a few months and I I think it seems like it's time us to start with a fresh slate I mean and I and I really think that that our period was very it was a hard period a very compressed period during the holidays and I think we might actually I I agree with M Burton I think maybe taking a little more time and breath and let's do this again and see I mean I I really hope we' get more candidates than we did I mean I really felt we had a great slate but I mean I would have liked to had twice as many to look through you know we never unfortunately we really never had that that large SL so I thought this one was probably one of the biggest ones that we've had in a very long time and we and we did it a little differently than we've done before so but I I I like the idea bre okay um I thought number one I thought we had a very good um slate of applicant I thought I thought we did very well and I think that any of those four could have done the job um some were probably more ready and able to do the job than others um so I would like to I don't know I don't hear any interest in going back to one of the other candidates I think they could do the job um if there's no interest in going back to another candidate um I think a couple things should happen here not right now I want to entertain a motion could I please just have something to say we've talked about a lot of things and I think we need to pull together so thank you pull it together okay so a couple things and I wrote this out before I came number one um we can move forward with some kind of read advertising secondly we've talked a lot here about um you know what do we need to do to be competitive um what what was good about our contract I I really think that we needed to be more organized and understanding of exactly what we're offering um and exactly how things are being advertised and I think that would be worth another meeting for us to discuss um for example commissioner L said he wasn't sure exactly where things were advertised I never was either um I think we seriously need to um have a discussion about our base contract so that we all understand what's in it and that we understand maybe up to further discussions with senior advisors and our attorney um what our base benefit packet should be and the parameters that we're willing to to um consider consider there base contract base benefit package because we really were surprised and know what we need to do to be competitive and I I don't think we can do all that tonight and then um you know discuss where exactly will this be advertised um some of the things that we did I think that we did really well um were the the actual interview with candidates I thought that was lovely and I think we could um talk about that again but anyway I just think we should get organized and really um nail down all the details about our process so um that being said uh I appreciate our inter manager um making this list of recommendations for us um I I really don't see that we need to wait three months before we restart the job advertisement um I think when did we advertise this back in November right um I would like to see us um read advertise but uh to read advertise in February um after we have chance to give some definition um to our contract to our benefit package um and to really um lay out how we're going to do the process I think we did the best we could um with the decision that we made to move quickly forward um but I think we see now that we could benefit from having everything laid out in advance so um so I would like to move that we um we advertise this position um after making decisions about our based contract and benefit package and the process that we will follow um in February of this year was there a second yes okay I I didn't hear I just I heard the noise but I didn't know it it was kind of quiet so her motion is um that we read vertise the position um I guess um February right we shoot for February and my rationale for that is we had a very compressed schedule it can take three to six months to actually hire someone it can but as Jim said and he said this to me also is that really and truly they're they're we're not the only people they're looking at so you really need to jump on it um with something I think I think before we jump on it okay I have to agree with commissioner toito that we need really need to firm up what exctly we're going to offer what exactly would be in a contract we want to make sure that our HR uh uh person I just say that is on on board that she has hopefully all the answers that may be asked I I felt that fell a little short there and it's not our fault um I I felt that our financial person Steve needs to be on board with really how much we can spend how far we can go um I think there's a few things that uh we really need to discuss as a commission you know um personally I thought $750 a month of uh expense to travel I mean I wish I had that myself my gosh i' be all over the place I I think we we we need to really focus in on what we what we actually have what we actually can afford as a city to give him the best possible package and and stick with it okay um this whole thing you know we give all of our employees uh we give them health care we it's the employees that we give the healthare to not all their families and so you know we we shouldn't make an exception the City Commissioner is an employee of the city so so there's things that we as a commission just need to come together on we need that meeting we should get that meeting as as quickly as possible so that we can sit down figure it out what we want because I felt like I came into this negotiation without even knowing what I was negotiating by the way you know I thought I came in kind of Blindsided I thought there was going to be somewhat of a one that was already kind of done you know and uh and anyway so that's what I would like to see I'd have to agree with commissioner on the fact that you need to know kind of where we are and at that point I mean I think that we can start you know you can throw it out there we can at least start with the salary okay where we can um people in but then after that the negotiations really we have to figure out how we want to negotiate because I thought we did a terrible job with it okay well um May yes commissioner so and um I just want to thank commiss Burton for being very Frank and saying how she felt because I I shared some of her feelings and I think um if we now we have learned um I think if we talk more about what we want to have in our contract and our benefit package ahead of time will will be much better off um and also you have a contract in front of you um you should you should donon I believe we the clerk you sent a contract out to everybody is that correct so you have basically the contract to start talk to start working off of exactly but I'm saying then we can compare that we fles out the additional items and then we had some questions during the negotiation and that's not really the time we had some questions about what was the standard there was the emerging standard that's the thing that I think as a commission and I think I heard commissioner Burton say that she thought that was a good idea that we should among ourselves decide what those parameters are that we can the best we can offer to be to be competitive and I'm I just wrote down I'm counting the months here and I I'm very happy that our assistant or in I'm sorry not Christina Mar but our interim manager uh wants to stay with us but I'm counting out from when we started in November um even with a rushed process December January February March it was going to take us four months to get somebody on board so I I don't really see the need to wait for three months before have ation I have one more question yes commissioner B okay um to Don um do if do we have to have this meeting on I so long as we uh the meeting when we're actually negotiating the contract um so long as we put it in the paper everybody knows it's meeting coming up you know doing the right things does it have to be on well you with regard to the zoom feature I think that the zoom was to accommodate his appearance as well as mine and the one Mee that was I don't know what you're looking at your procedures right now you record your meetings anyway don't you well we do but but I really thought that we gave madon you want to give somebody a l up boy we just CR softballs out here you go this is what we're going to give you this is what we're going to give you this is what we're going to give you made very easy step in let me speak to a couple things I know you don't have to on zo if your people will attend in person then there's no forume your meetings are recorded I believe and I don't know if you're putting them on YouTube or are live live on YouTube They Live on YouTube so whether they're on Zoom then or YouTube live doesn't really matter they're out there um and um I don't know if you have a policy on putting them on YouTube live or that just something you've chosen to do that's not required but um you know it's got to be a public meeting but it's not requ there are a couple suggestions if I can follow up on first of all Mr Hansen mentioned something that I think is really relevant and that is you can do a city manager survey by simply having your clerk call uh cities and you most preferably pick cities of a similar size when I say similar size really is fair to compare City to for LA and I didn't say you did in that last little comp gave but my point is you got X number of employees you got X budget and you know if you're going to compare if you're going to compare salary ranges it ought be app to Apples from my perspective so I understand and some point you may have to go above that if you got candate you just have to have but my point is that in SL your salary range I do agree that if you're just doing it in the blind you're probably doing yourself in this service but your clerk I did it in the city of blackka you can it's public rec your clerk can call the CL of other cities you can Google and see you know cities of about your size or whatever state of Florida and have your clerk call the C the clerk of of those towns and ask what they pay their city manager and what their benefits are that would give you a little bit of Health Mr Hanson he may already have that information I don't know but that that that kind of salary study but informally would would give you some idea whether or not your way out of the bar Park of what you're asking for but then again I think you have to you have to be it's all relative in relation to the the responsibilities for instance you got an assist city manager that a lot of small towns don't have which is a a lessening of the workload for the city manager you got you got and you got a budget what percentage of your budget is the salary that you're pay you may into decimal point and then may not a big deal I think that's an important thing and then next um I think it's really dangerous to negotiate with someone while they're in ongoing negotiation with another municipality I I was under the impression that and that's maybe my go back look but I thought we have a deal t on YouTube I me he talk you talk all of you talk and everybody congratulate on each other look forward toing um there wasn't I I was surprised to hear that he was still in negotiation with with Madison and I think that that's a game you never can win I mean y y are going to buy back and forth in a bidding process then you're going to have to go ahead and decide up front you know how high you're going to go like was an option U so I I'll just say that in terms of the the future I I think that when you do your next negotiation I know you can't help if somebody's doing something behind the scenes can't help but if maybe the next time if we have a a meeting and we reach terms maybe it should be more directly just say do we have a deal there's nothing to stop from saying he doesn't but Chang but you know as I sat there thought about it I was surprised about the M meeting at 5:00 I want terms I would be less than honest to say that I did feel that was a little had little some bad feelings about that but I guess from from my perspective U you know um I have to ask myself if he's just looking for the highest bid what do you have if you hire I mean you got a 6mon probationary period that isn't really a full probationary period he get happen he 10 weeks pay he leaves well doesn't but you know want to say that he doesn't work for you a month and then off a better P leave you at that point so I guess that there's there's a in in there from my perspective and that is I can sure see your contract negotiations some of you to think about having a review period in six months and the possibility of you paying more money if the person or adding more visit or what the person up the job but uh that biding process is something that I think is a rabit hole that you can go down and never find a bottom and that's that's my personal comment that um as far as doing something with the commission after after and I was I think I had Frid off with my granddaughter or my grandson actually on a little Papa grandson on 7y old birthday birthday um but there really wasn't a lot that Mich did because yes we put out what we did with theer and say he guys he turn down but there was to respond we couldn't P Theiss we couldn't say what about that or change it or that the commission that allow only thing that could have done been try call an emergency meeting before 5:00 and that wasn't possible if we were going to beat Madison to the deal so yeah I mean I think we can learn from it but I think there's some things that maybe you have to take away from this um that that that don't require you to change your process the I just want to say first of all let's look at this as a dry run but all of us have now got a little bit more information about our benefit package we've all thought about more we've talked about it um and secondly I don't know if necess using the red contract is a great place to start we have a contract that uh Jim gave us from the fccma and there's some stuff in there that you know was not in R's contract and I think we might want to just start with blank because I don't know comparing it to what the last person had kind of starts getting a little insulting as mons to the the applicant like comparing everything I don't know but there's I mean a lot of that's in there but I think maybe we want to discuss that and just start with something kind of blank and go because I don't know it seems weird to look at the last one which was based on the last one before that one before that like we have very good professional ones that are written that we can start with the one they handed me was Patrick Ken doing a seven page after with Colin after we went through and researched other communities and pull it all together I mean so we've got that in front of us um we've got it in front of us now we can work we can work forward and we can discuss um but but before we go any further um I I do want to say this that and this is really bothering me that um Mr flowers um he was a good candidate he really was and I don't think that he did anything um against this City he was looking out for the city and if you talk to Sheila Sheila um I asked you yesterday or I believe it was yesterday I don't know what today is today's Tuesday um about background checks um I mean his references and so my understanding from you is he got glowing references yes he did and um and and Madison was a 52 so he's not he's not coming back he's not he's not jockeying back and forth um with us and I just don't want his credibility um to be marred because we remember everybody that we are on YouTube we are live everything we say is out there in the public and um so so that just I just want to make sure I mean I understand that maybe there was some misunderstanding um he had to have time to digest that contract um as anybody should you know um and I'll will also say this that as we go forward that um you know a city manager takes a big chance on us too and so we just need to remember that and we have a motion in front of us right now um if there's no further discussion um Melanie I'm going to ask you to um do a roll call for us please commissioner Burton commissioner Burton commissioner Burton You're muted commissioner Burton commission bur there iion Lor Iero I Myers okay so approved um now we have another one in front of us and that is what we do with um Mr Bart he has asked for um for um his salary to be increased um to 9,000 um and I will share it has been you know finding a place to live in this area especially during SN bird season has been has been a a difficult task for him he's jockeyed around trying to accommodate us um Michael has done an outstanding job keeping the ship moving forward justy 1500 more matter oh good point how to move forward with the city manager hire how to move forward with the city manager H so going to bring up as an emergency item an increase in your inter a manager salary I don't think it would be appropriate I'm not saying you can't I'm not saying you can't bring it up as an emergency it but I think that that would be necessary since you didn't the agenda that discussion um do how can we do that how can we do that Don only because you know we have to Mr brart he he he's he he has employment is important to him also so we're asking him to stay on I'm not saying you can I just think that you would need to make a motion to bring up an increase in his salary as an emergency item and the basis of the emergency would be that it's conens in that now you don't have a city manager in the wings uh he has other options that you think that it's necessary to take action to assure that you have some continuity while you're looking for the new manager so sure um I would like to make a motion if I may um I would like to move that we um in consideration of the fact that our interim city manager Mr Michael Gart is opening is open to continuing in his role as city manager um and requests an increase the salary from one from 7,500 to 9,000 a month continuing the 2,000 monthly stagman um that we find that um this emergency situation we need to assure that we retain his Services um while we continue to look for a permanent city manager um and that in view of that emergency we Grant his request um on the month-to Monon basis second Motion in second do we have any discussion is that is that satisfactory Mr Holmes I think C wasn't great it okay any any other discussion um mayor just kind of for clarification it's my understanding that we pay our inter city manager a flat amount and that we do not contribute to retirement for and we do not provide health insurance we do not provide health insurance no have no benefits so a 99 so I mean essentially for our purposes this is still within the Sal range and it does not involve the um the additional expense of retirement in right okay okay and is he on month to month you stick around he he agreed when he first came on if you'll recall we thought we could have this taken care of through Fe and he would stay through the end of January um and then when this we went into negotiations it looked like nobody could get here then and that he would stay till the end of February um and we he might have secured housing until I know this past week he hasn't but he has forward um through the end of February so um but yes so he is basically um he month to month but he also did say that I remember interviewing that he would stick around and so you know extended that offer looks like so very generous very generous because it takes him away from his family um they've got a lot going on and um it does take him away from his family and he's committed and and and again I have been um very impressed with all that he has brought to the city and everything that he has he's got he's got a lot of um irons in the fire right now I think for him to be able to see those through um would be beneficial also so do we have any further discussion commissioner bton do you have anything no I'm okay Melanie you do a roll call please commissioner Deo I commissioner Lor I commissioner Moore I commissioner Burton Myers I I think that's somebody has something else commission so my um so that we can get everything done that we need to do um I'm wondering if we should not try to schedule an hourlong workshop and have contracts in front of us um commissioner Lori mentioned the fccm a contract that we have the benefit package with the things that Mr flowers had additionally asked for um that essentially we address those somewhat unanswered questions and that we really um put some thought to to what our contrac and package are going to be because I certainly think it would have helped Mr flowers if we had had that Bas contract for him to look at absolutely he to look at and so we would know um left so many things to the end so essentially our next regular commission meeting is Thursday the 13th um we could have a workshop sometimes we come in before the meeting although that can be tiring commissioner Ro says no um we could do I'm out of town um well I guess I'm here but I don't have anything on Monday or Tuesday or um you know we weren't we weren't it needs to be a special meeting and worksh we can make some decisions getse you're the middle of febrary to start ading I've got no I can't Tuesday the 11th or the 12 Monday February 10th B we have you are okay oh wait minute I'm not going to be here not I apologize February 11th I am here I am here oh wait well actually I'm not I'm coming back we're on vacation Monday and Tuesday the 10th and the 11th um I could be back late on Tuesday that you could do it the 12th um I can do the 12th what about earlier on the 12 sure can you do it that that morning possibly Burton 10: a.m. on February 12th okay we need to make sure's calendar Mr Right Now City Workshop February 12 at 10 a. we're a special meeting special meeting okay yes yes sir until then we'll try for an hour yeah yeah I doubt it'll take that I'm sure it'll be at least two hours we r two hours of negotiations going through at the last time so I can't imagine it yes thank you thank you Mr Hansen too for listening to us yes Jim thank you so much for accommodating us um this evening we appreciate that for all your help through this process um it it was um it was extremely helpful so thank you I ask you do a salary survey I think that's a good choice I do not have current one usually I go to Le City salary surveys but I found be a I know there been a lot of change in salar part of State recent years so but I can provide list of similar size cities that you may want to get you clerk to call that's suggestion I think the salary is the salary is one thing um but compensation package it's your it's your compensation package your full compensation package is something else that that we need to know more about we already know our salar is um and so the compensation package because sometimes that compensation package can outweigh the salary and I benefits part of considered a compensation compens thank you Mr H if you can give if you give that information she can actually call ask right yes I don't know that the clerk um but I think Sheila should be the one to if Sheila are you are you good with that because she was been working with the salaries already anyway um and from from the the employee standpoint has a lot on her plate right now um already well well they both do everybody everybody in this city and that is that is one of the things that I I will say this is that do the negotiation that he that he did share with me on Friday guess when he called I did ask you know and he just said that that they were a well oil machine that Madison was a well oil machine and um there a lot to be said for that so got got get our together other people are watching us so that all entertain a motion for um to adjourn I move that we adjourn second okay we have a motion and a second all in favor please say I thank you all very much for being thank you thank you commissioner Burton be safe traveling