--------- I'm going to go ahead workshop to order. The date is August 5th, 2025. It's approximately 10:01 a.m. And this is a Is this a workshop or meeting? This is a workshop.
Was noticed as a meeting. The first part should have been a workshop. Okay. Well, then this is a special meeting. We're going to call a special meeting to order. That's an easy fix, guys. I think can't we can't workshop in a meeting. We can't
we can't meet in a workshop. Exactly. So So we're going to we're going to we're going to meet I think we should just adjourn right now. Go home and take another date. Okay. With that. Okay. I have called this special meeting to order. It's August
5th, 2025. It is now approximately 10:02. Um, and we are going to start with our invocation. Commissioner Moore, if you would please plead us on your invocation. Stand if you are able.
Let's bow our heads. Dear heavenly father, once again, we want to thank you for our rising on this morning. We thank you for this brand new day. We thank you for this day that that you have created and we give you praise. We ask that you be with us today. Once again, we ask
that you help us to agree and disagree in unity and in love, knowing that all of us won't agree all the time, but we will get things done. And Father God, look upon our families, look upon us, and help us, Lord Jesus, to do those things that are pleasing in us. And we'll forever praise you and give you
the highest praise. All these blessings we do ask in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. I have the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stand
with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Thank you. Thank you again. And m please. Yes ma'am. Commissioner Lisa Kito. Commissioner William DJ Lori
present. Commissioner Linda Horn here. Commissioner Cynthia Burton here. City Manager Derek Martin here. Assistant City Manager Christina Marie present. Finance Director Steve Conkland
here. Mayor Meyers present. Thank you. Good morning. Good morning. Thank you everyone for being here this morning. Um, with that, let's go ahead and kick this off. Um, we're going to start with our better place with our better place plan.
Mayor, if I could ask for the um commission to just at the front end take a look at these letters and have a quick discussion on that and put that to that before we get into deep numbers. Okay, that's okay. Commission, that's your pleasure.
It is staff's recommendation to go with the um the letter that's more simplified and and uh not too deep in the weeds only because we don't want issues with residents getting confused. We want to try to stay very top level and uh so these two are provided for you all to
decide and maybe there's some mix and match of information you want to add and we can do that easily. Um yeah, could I add to that mayor? Yes. Okay. So, um, my draft is the one that's more detailed on the left. Um, the what
the staff has provided is more what I had in mind. Um, I did not get started on this as early as I wanted and but I just I like the staffs better. Um, I had my computer was down all weekend. Um, the only thing I would add to the staff
letter as the city manager said to mix and match. Um, at the top the salutation where it says dear residents. Um, maybe we should put dear residents and taxpayers because not all taxpayers are residents.
Um, or property owners or right property owners. That that covers it. I think that's or property owners. Yeah, that's that's what I have. Yeah, property owners. So that we've addressed to everyone. And then it might be helpful as a separate schedule if it's
printed. We can put it on the back if it is on our um website or on our Facebook page um to put the budget meeting schedule, right? Yeah. The uh the approximate date that the
trim notices are going to come out and um you know something like something friendly like you know the property appraiser will provide trim notices and then um we could provide more emails underneath that. Um but I I like um I
like the staff letter. It's exactly what I thought. May I say something? If somebody wants to get a hold of me, my email is in the directory right here in Crescent City. I don't think you need to put that on a letter. Okay. And as far as trim notes go, we all get
one in the mail. I don't know if we have to put a date for when these things will come out. It's up to you all, but but basically, um, most people aren't paying too much attention to the backside of a letter necessarily. and um they'll get
their trim notice and that's when they'll start to holler. So that's the way I look at it. I do think it would be helpful to the meeting schedules for the dates that we're adopting the budget so that they know when they come to speak out.
Yeah. And Commissioner Devito is in in her one two three fourth fourth paragraph down it says two hearings will be held in present city on the budget. I think if you just put that sentence in there um that you could include that possibly. We're approaching this year's budget
process um with a strong commitment and after that paragraph your fourth paragraph down in in the staff letter. The only downside I see to that is staff
letter is one page lots of white easy to read. Yeah. And are we, you know, are we going to jam that up too much? [Music] Yeah. And you can even do that in a smaller font. They could even make that as a note in a smaller font somewhere.
Even at the bottom if you you couldn't even do that. Come down to the very bottom and do just as a smaller font. That that that one too. We'll still circulate it to everybody once we get a final version to just get the green light before we get it together. But I think that would take care of it.
I agree. A lot of people aren't going to turn it over and read it. And um and so and we're including these pictures. Um well, this is going to go out on our website. I know it's going to go out what on Facebook and then from a mailing
standpoint. We would um when do our bills go out again? They'll go out again till the next month, you know, till the end. Correct. But right away, it's gonna go on the website right away. Um, we can put a
stack of printed copies in utility billing in the lobby for you know to mail it out to mail out that's going to be that's going to cost a lot. First class mail 703
or 78 something like that. I use the farm stamps. I don't know that. And that's, you know, for every for every parcel if we did a print out of that, that would be I can't. Yeah. Um,
can we for people who have signed up for awards, right? And it would automatically go out to that, I think, doesn't it? If we post something on the website, so it would automatically go out. That covers a lot. I think that would cover I think that would be
Lisa's out there. Somebody has a question they'll ask. Okay. Somebody we've got it available. So website, Facebook. Okay. Okay. Do I have a Do we have a motion? Um we have a motion on this to approve.
I I move that we u approve the sending of the staff letter with the alterations that we have mentioned like including the budget hearing dates and that and then send it out and the salutation and the salutation.
Okay, I have a second. I will second that. Okay, so we have a proper motion and a second. All in favor, please say I oppos. Okay. So, thank you. One thing done. I like that. Check.
If we could go ahead and move to our discretionary fund should be your in yours. It should be the one page. Let me know when everybody is ready. Okay. Okay. Is there not and and I apologize.
I said last night not to because but a breakdown. We don't have a breakdown improvement too. I know it says over there, but we know how much that's going to cost. Um we we can provide the breakdown. Mayor, what we ended up doing was we took the
previous um city manager CIP um and we made notes on the side. Um I apologize we didn't include the actual breakdown um but the items that were not done which we ended up purchasing I believe a piece of equipment and also set aside
10,000 for um matching dollars on the uh new moon launch. And so those items were taken into consideration. the rest of the items such as the entryways um to the city um the south tower um the north lake storm water infrastructure project,
the air raator sidewalks. those items we listed in the comments for each section whether it was improvement to um the infrastructure we had paths pre-inventory raising the canopy um yeah so the capital improvement so if
you look at your crescent city the capital improvement that we've been going off of that's where I thought those those that those um cost that they were broken down so that we kind of capitalize understanding. So we need to back off
some of those cost then we could back that off. But yes ma'am the air infrastructure was a multi-year project and so it was several years in a row we had they broke it up. They did 1720 right
17200 year a piece of it was taken care of and taken out some of it got added back in. 17,000 I believe is is what was added back in. I just want to make sure that was I believe 17200 should be added back in.
Yes. Um and we did discuss like the trade inventory canopy thing that was not eligible to be used. This money was not eligible to be used for that. Right. Right. And I brought a copy with me of I brought a copy with me and I
sent it um a little after 9:00 this morning to the city manager. I don't think unless it's for trees in the parks and we qualify under a special section of the infrastructure tax statute
that we can use any of the better place plan funds for tree maintenance. Right. Yeah, that would be considered operational and would qualify. I'm not really sure without digging deeper, but I know that there there is
um a line item for park improvement. So if the trees were specifically in parks, that might be what you were alluding to, but Well, no. Um Okay. For I may do you have the Yes.
Oh, you were going to ask me something. No, go ahead. Okay. Okay. I I am not clear exactly um what is being proposed in the better place budget. Could we just walk through
and see what have we spent so far this year? Can we identify that? Is this is the latest we have here today actual May? Yes. Okay. So,
okay. So, we've said $32,000. But wait a minute. Mine says Mine says 124046 year to date taxual May 2025. No, that was the income. That's Oh, sorry. That's income. So
32826. However, we did spend some on dirt um for the park and we I think it was estimated possibly not 10,000, but there still needs to be additional dirt place. But I think it
was probably Christina, do you remember how much? Keith did not. Do you remember how much recent purchase for um I want to say it was between I think it was around 7,000 seven. Okay. So unless you seven is a
good number. Okay. Does the dirt Well, it's really sand. By the way, I read a complaint about that. I don't know. I haven't been down there or walked on it. Does the stand qualify under better doesn't place? How does sand qualify? Because it does
not last five years, does it? Well, it should. Um, anyway, well, we we didn't. Sorry. So that would take us to approximately 39826 I think rounded up to 40,000 just to be
on the safe side that we've got 40,000 that has been expended um out of this current year's budget. Do we see any more coming out at this time until October 1 the North Street drainage?
So right now we have engineering plans that were created for midtower. We have a proposed cost and I believe they're getting a second um quote for the work to be done because the work exceeded the amount that the city set aside.
Okay. I believe by the tune of $30,000 is what for where? For Lake Street. Correct. For North Lake Street. Yes, ma'am. Um he I don't know that it came in at 30,000 more. Um, it was
I think I think that's I don't know. Where's key? Yeah, we need [Music] to do that. We've been promising working on that for exactly before I was elected. And I said that
in 2022, I believe. I was looking at minutes last night. We've been talking about that. Yes. Okay. Actually, I got another communication from Mr. Tatum. He says it's been nine years. Yeah, it's been a long time. This it's been a long time. Obviously, not hasn't
not had approved for nine years. He said that it's been a problem for prior to whenever he bought it. It flooded twice with the prior we paid that out um that claim out and then he brought it forward. His house actually
has not been flooded. His yard has brought but the house is that that is that that should be a priority that we get that done. We have been talking about it. That's what I was saying yesterday when we were talking about storm water, but
that's that's separate apart from it. Yes, ma'am. Good morning. Yeah. All right. Sorry. No, go ahead. North Lake Stormwater, believe midtower, we talked about that. I've seen the plans on it. Um I was
telling the commission I believe that costa came in higher and they were looking at doing some value engineering or at least going back out to bid, but I could be wrong. Please update us on that particular I know Richard from BRC did come in at $165,000
and that's and we only budget 130 and since then I've had several different quotes but it's really depending on how much we want to do down there. So what is your best guess with the other quotes that you have?
M I'll have to go dig it up. Okay. And how soon do you think we can get this taken care of and get this off our books? Yeah, I know. How But um
let me see if I can find it and then we'll we'll go from there. I mean, we'll get it cleared up. So in the budget, how much are you thinking that we need to all lot for that project? So right now we have 130 earmarked.
Well, we've already spent 5,000 of that, 6,000 of it in this current year. No. Uh prior when you did the the Kirby is that with the Kirby? Okay. Yeah.
Did not work. Let me refer to this. Well, it helped a lot. According to Charles, it didn't work at all, but it works. Believe me, I've watched it. So, that was his opinion.
Okay. Well, Minister Tam still feels there's a significant problem. Well, so I'm just I'm just think that he bought the house and it's down in a hole. How is it our responsibility?
Um, how was it our responsibility? When the house was built down below, uh, Leon McKinnon put in a drain that drained all the water. He's the only one that's ever had any problem.
That's what I don't understand. Was the drain that Mr. Kim who is that Leon McKinnon had it put in? I don't even know where it's at now and I don't know if it's still there. The the house was built on a piece of low grounds up here at the bottom of the
hill. And uh he swears up and down the neighbor filled in the ditch. Why tell now is he bringing this up? Why did he bring it up when the neighbor supposedly filled the ditch in which the neighbor didn't?
Um, I know I look at things differently than a lot of people, but uh, nobody else has had any problem that's live there. All of a sudden now John Tatum's having problems and it now has created it where
we're supposed to pay to have it fixed. Was there not so Keith was there when was that that the house actually that if they had the claim on the house from the flame? Well, that was that was from sewer. That was sewer. Okay. So, that was sewer. That went storm water.
No. Twice it got flooded by sewer. And we fixed that. Yeah. First time was uh Leon McKinnon. I think that was like 30
something,000. And then some lady bought it and I think that ended up being 90,000. But we had to go in and they had to cut the drywall out, replace the furniture, cart, whatever needed to be done, which was paid for by insurance, but it
had nothing to do with storm water. It's not flooding his house. It might be going in his garage, but that's that's not our fault. Has this been explained to him at all? It don't do no good. It don't do no
good. Let's let's let's just be cautious cuz we What I would like permission to do? No, I'm just I'm just we have personalities. So, what I would like Well, I just I don't think the city should spend this money. I mean, we we
fixed the storm drain over there on Lake Street. $30 something,000. They redid their whole yard to stop the flood after we fix the storm. What what I
what I would like to do is part of the budget what we put in here was around 70 $7,500 which is an item under infrastructure for storm water master plan that specifically stated storm water master plan. I know that we have plans for this, but I would like to work with the
engineer, get with Keith, and see if there's any alternatives to to put a mandate or a fix to this particular problem that he's having in the short inter while we're also simultaneously working on a master plan and can create phased plans for the entire community.
That's that's what I think the the my recommendation would be. I have um you know um streets and storm water background as well as Keith. we can put our heads together with the engineer and maybe get this down a lot significantly. I've looked at the plans and my only
concern is that if we fix this right now and we go and let's say we spend $130,000 and it fixes his one issue and we do move forward with the master plan, sorry, it could it could it could essentially affect um what that construction sequence could be later. We
may be actually going back and doing work that we necessarily didn't have to do or paying twice. You know what I mean? Um, I'd love to have the chance to do that. I have not talked to Mr. Tatum myself. My door is always open. I want to hear what's going on with the community. Um, I have not had time or an
invite to go meet him either. Um, I but I like I said, we we've seen the plans, but I would like permission to move forward with with uh with those steps. Okay. Mayor, I would like to add something to that. Um, we've talked different people have
said different things about is it our responsibility? Um, I think we could use some guidance from our city attorney as to what our responsibility is and isn't because we are not the last word on that. Um, and we have some
responsibility for storm water and wastewater. Um, obviously the man's house was permitted there. It wasn't built without a permit, was it? It could have been back. Yeah, it it probably was permitted back in
Okay. I think the house was built in the 80s. I I'm saying I'm pretty sure that they got a permit for the house. So, I just I think we should get also I I don't have any problem um with our city manager
looking at a um storm water plan because I think he has a great point there. But I also think we need guidance from homes as to what our responsibility is. Is it or or isn't it? So, and but Keith, I thank you
for your I, you know, I respect your in as well because you're out there and you've watched it. I've seen you out there when it's raining sitting in your truck watching that water with the because you didn't offer me a ride when I was running through.
You were already in the back. So I mean we have an issue there. I think we still need to at this point in time though keep some money earmarked um so that we have it. That would be my recommendation. Um and we should be able to do that before
the end of this year and we are going to move and we've got other homes um along Lake Street. We all know Lake Street, especially if you're with one of those roads, you know, at the end of one of those roads that feeds down to Lake Street that, you know, we've got some
issues with that water. When we have, you know, a large volume come down at one time, it's an issue. Um, mayor. Yes. So, a couple things. One thing I don't see in here, and I don't see specifically the 7,500
for the um study, two things. Um when you look at the whole east side of town sloping downward from 17, especially in um that area by Lake View, the northern
part, what you see is we really have a lack of landscaping uphill. Um and more and more modern storm water planning incorporates landscaping. We could even
look an ordinance requiring landscaping. There are a lot of things that you can do besides put in big pipes, which that is the most expensive thing you can do is engineer big pipes. So, I would hope that any
comprehensive storm water design includes those lower cost things that we could do. And one thing that homeowners up the hill and that we could do in our right way is provide those water
retaining um that plants that there's swailes, there's bushes, those trees, they keep water from flowing downhill unless it's in a road because a lot of those those roads that's where the big problem is is where those roads like
where Florida hits property at the end now that We've taken I think they've pretty much figured that out. But you know where that water if you're ever down there and it gets down there and it starts swirling and then and it spreads. But that's the problem. I understand
landscaping for for you know and but and those direct paths where that water is flowing down those roads it gets direct. Well, here also in Tallahassee and anytime you
build on slopes, you got problems. So, um, so I mean there's a lot of things we can do. We could even put strips of imperous pavement in some of those downhill roads. I mean, there there's more things you can do besides um really
big pipes. So, um I think we ought to take a look at that as as much as possible because it will save us money and right away. And of course, what we have on Central Avenue is a big vault, right? That's Do we have any other vaults besides on Central, but you know,
I I I think what we ought to do is we, you know, I hate to do this to you, Keith, but we ought to pass this ball to you. And um cuz I kind of don't I I I really don't disagree with you that I I think it's probably not necessarily up to the
city to fix all this, but I think we're not going to be able to fix it in this meeting, which is what what we're trying to do right now. Um, so I think if you and Derek, okay, you can take take the ball, you pass to them, I don't care what you do
with it, but but um, get something together for where you want to kind of go forward on how we want to manage that. That that'll be the next step. So with that, we've gotten the budget and that's what we're talking about now is if we did a storm on our master plan.
And you think you can get one for $7,500? There's no way. There's no way. I actually I've seen I mean $400,000 is what we we don't have a huge inventory. Um Keith actually has a lot of the information already needed.
Well, some of it's already been done in big tanks out outside of and I use 7500 only because outside of Midtower I was actually called um from a company that had looked me up on Indeed and they're a qualified company. I looked them up and
and uh didn't promise them anything. They just said, "Hey, this is what we provide. We know that you need X, Y, and Z. We can do a entire master plan for the city for $7,500." And that was verbal, but if you would price that out, talk about it because they are approved in the
engineer. Yes, ma'am. Um before we go to a company, an unknown company. But I, you know, because everything we I've heard the storm water master plan, I mean, if that's the case, we would have done that some time ago, right? So, if you would find out about that. Yes, Commissioner Devita.
Um, does the water management district have any resources to help us plan or if we have a plan um they we can apply for grant? Yes. But mayor, while Keith is here, we're talking about storm water. And by the
way, I I do hope that Commissioner Burton said she wants to give it to Keith and um the city manager. I do hope we're going to inquire of the city attorney and ask what our responsibilities are. But you already you already indicated
such that we would because he is to me a very important part of that. So I know the last couple of years didn't we have um unanticipated
storm water pipe failures that we needed to take care of? I thought we did. keep us nodding. Yes. So, my question about this budget is should we um set aside some money in case we have an an
anticipated um pipe issue because we also in addition to any responsibility back to the homeowners, we have a responsibility um to Crescent Lake. I think we not supposed to we're not supposed to let um
storm water and waste water. going to play. So, um I guess that's my question for Keith. Should we set aside some emergency money? Well, I mean it would be nice, but it's going to take a lot. It's going to take
a lot of money to fix cuz we already got a hole on Lake Street forming now. Yep. And that's most likely that's storm water. Jason pulled the manhole. Um the pipe is full of water, but it stays like that.
Um, but yeah, we we really need to apply for grants to be honest with you, but we also need a plan, you know, kind of like he's talking about a storm water plan. That way when we if we go to the St. John's, it'll kind of be ready like the
last time we had all the prints ready and we got the grant. Now, we've talked to Fox about getting that grant, right? Are they on this or? Yes, I we've had verbals on the phone. Christina and I set up a meeting yesterday, but we had a runover on working on the budget, so we had to postpone that meeting and push that for
another time. Um, we had an entire that was in that meeting and Melissa Fox as well. We were going to discuss with them um what our vision was as far as, you know, master plans and what we could do to obtain grants and moving forward with that. So, that that is in the discussions. Okay. Well,
we haven't I don't see that in our, you know, when we've looked at our our BPs that we've actually set aside a a emergency. Um, that could be a that's a that's a very that's a good suggestion. Um, that we set aside an emergency and
we just have to determine what that dollar amount is. So, what would keep what would your recommendation for a dollar amount be if we were to set aside an emergency for failures. I mean, you get into these and and just like Tatum, which is one house, that's
$130,000 that I don't know how much we would the holes in the road. There's certain fixes we can do with that that are less cost, you know, less cost and least expensive. Um, but we have the tree canopy, a raised canopy in here for 20,000 in the infrastructure. We could
just change that notation if that's something we can't do and set aside the 20,000 for roadway mishaps and and I think we can work with that. Right, Keith? Yeah, we should be able to cher too.
Um the nice infrastructure tax allows you to buy vehicles from before. Um if it were allowed I mean these these dot tend to last more than five years and they are under equipment. Um, I I would like to go in a different
direction than a $100,000 chipper. Um, maybe an attachment mulure. So, I don't know if we have other equipment that can do that with attachments, but something we won't put as a placeholder, but we'd like to look at that. That is a need that public works has. They have several needs. If we're looking at equipment and
you can only do a truck, they need a grapple truck. That's really important. Um, that's something we do not have currently right now. And I think those range probably from around a hundred to $150,000. So, you know, except for we've lost out on an opportunity there. And that's something
that we as a commission need to um that we need to look at that when those opportunities arise, I mean that Keith either we've approved and we say we have a certain amount that he can that he can use to buy the grapple truck. And if
that happens, then they don't have to come back to us for approval because we've already given you that approval um through the budget um because we've lost out that was a great opportunity and we lost out on it because it would have needed our approval. So
those things do need to be um acknowledged. How much was the um when we were talking about I think I had found one in Yeah, I think it was like 30 range. There's been a couple on there like brand new that goes pretty reasonable.
Well, it's just like fire trucks if you at the right time you can find one that somebody ordered and then cancelled their order and it's still built and I've seen them for $200, you know, brand new fire truck. It's like there's nothing wrong with it. It's just they need to get rid of it. Right. Let's get um let's if we can um
also Derek if you can get us a definition of what they require for equipment because I can't imagine that for equipment it's only it's only vehicles. Okay. If it says if it's equipment um then than that anything that has a lifespan over five years that can be used by the
city. Um let's just get a definition. Okay. A definitive I might have one on my desk if you give me just a second to go grab that. Okay. Mayor. Yes, I think I sent this this morning. I think staff and the commission, it's very important that we
know what the state authorizes us to do. That's what I'm meant to and it's in I sent it this morning. It's 212.055 2. Um, and then we're not the county ordinance doesn't specifically
loop us in. So that means as I understand it, we're governed by the state statute. Um, and there's a part that's not clear, but another question for Mr. Parish while he's here when we finished. I'm so glad you want me to go. Go ahead.
Go. Okay. So, um, one thing I was thinking of for public works, um, what is the status of the generators for the lift stations? Remember last year, didn't y'all have to during one of our many storms, um, didn't y'all have to,
um, trade them out to keep the lift stations going while the power was out? And we talked about the need to perhaps buy a lift station. Well, we got generators and they had to switch out generators to in order to those. Yeah, we got a generator that we pull
around, right? Um, now I know that as soon as we the CDG gets released after they get done doing their final look at, um, there will be a
list a brand new generator put on Bay Street and that's that's one of the major ones that's included in the CDBG grant. Okay. We have a CDBG grant for the North. It's actually the main street
water line project, but we had to include some type of sewer work in there for the grant. Okay. So, you're because my question is we talked about last year after all this, we talked about what prices for generators would be and how many you
would need, but you're saying that did not go any further. Like you you didn't bring us I don't remember you bringing us prices. No, ma'am. I know we did talk about it. Um, it's some of them.
Let me see. I mean, there's probably probably two more major ones that we could use a lift station on or a generator. No, I got you doing it. And then Yeah. And then the rest of them we still got that pull behind and it
does a real good job. So in other words, as long as you have gasoline, you can Oh yeah. move but you and but you could use two additional generators and do all of our all of our lift stations have plugs on them. So we basically just pull
it there and we plug it in. Some of them we have to hardwire because I can't get the generator down there to the particular spot to plug it in and uh so a lot of times like over there on prospect we just plug the panel box
and I I'll hard wire it in. Okay. And that is needed if the power is out for storms, right? But how how much cushion do we have? Obviously, the power goes out during the storm. If the power stays out
x amount of time, when does it start to be a problem? Um, the prospect list station at Kip, we really got to pump it out once a day. Okay. And some days, depending on I mean, you know, last year he had a house full of
people. Um, we had to do a little bit more often, but most of them once a day. I was going to say 24 hours. It seemed like the last time cuz you're having to do down on the north end too. Yeah, I did the one at the trailer park.
At the trailer park where I got stuck and then I think um didn't we Austin? Yeah. And then also at the fish in the fish camp. Did you have to do the fish camp also? Yeah. And we didn't really have to do that one until Yeah. It was a long time. The volume.
Okay. So, we had about 24 hours grace. Yeah. And then it becomes an issue. And when you say K, you mean 229 South Prospect down at the very bottom of the hill, right? Fisheries. Um, there's only five houses on it,
right? So, we we got some leadway that we normally pump it out every 24 hours. Okay. And by the way, we never did this. We have had a lot going on, but um I was hoping that sometime during the year we
would find time to give a special thanks to the public works department and you and everybody who did that um intense backbreaking work to make sure those lift stations function because how many days was that? That's how
um lost count. Was five. It was that was five five full days. It wasn't until that that Sunday that it actually um that it actually all we were completely powered. Mhm. Friday night was when it powered most of
the town, but that Sunday was when it powered the full the full town. We were at we were at 100%. I'm not sure. Um the Lake C lake crescent
I can't even think today. Um the fish camp may agree to help us do some work to the lift station and maybe help put a generator in. Yeah, I thought that's there was something out
there that that Andrew and Andrew that Andrew had done had agreed to do something there. Um, especially with the expansion, right? We need to get with them um and see, you know, if they are willing to
help split the cost or whatever we got to do to be able to get a, you know, lift station down there especially. But then again, during a hurricane, are they gonna be letting people come in? Right. Well, there I mean sometimes you get
caught. We don't know. Oh, yeah. We just don't know. Do they reside there? Are are the owners in Is there a resident caretaker or do the owners live there? Andrew and them are from
Yeah. But I mean, you just never know if a storm comes in unexpected. They can have a house full. Yeah. And and people in their buildings, they have cottages, so there'll be people there. Um they might not be in
charge, but they would be in some of the structures there. They have site manager. They do. Yeah, they do. So people in the brick and mort buildings. So that's a good idea with the expansion. See if we can get some
cost share on the generator. And on on this list, you have restrooms in Cobra Park. Did you not get the fur grant? I had not heard. That's what I was wondering because we put in a right. We're still waiting for that.
It was that concluded that was for right,000, right? They said 50,000. But and speaking of grants, the $10,000 is to um provide in addition to the
$50,000 that we apply for in the small matching non-match grant. And that is in the approved budget. Have we heard on that? The $10,000 is once we get to construction phase for those documents. That's what it's that's what
we have heard from the Department of State about the 50,000 in regard to that. It's been approved. We looked up that yesterday. It's on the website. Yes, we recently received correspondence from them and it is stated um it's there. I'm not sure
what our first is we need to just to clarify. Okay. The we applied for um a grant to pay for the architectural plans. Correct. Glory. The grant's $50,000. that $10,000 is the
additional cost needed to pay for the architectural plans because it it is more than $50,000 or to get those plans. We have to come up with our own additional funds and we own that. So So that is when we get it, it'll be the
state grant money plus our hopefully still cover with the 10,000 and that should pay for the architect plans. Okay. So, so that's good. So, they they've actually told us we have the grant. Yes, ma'am. Yes.
Fantastic. Okay. So, painting the south water tower. Um I know I you had there was an email. Um I sent it to you. Yeah. And that was what 131 13172 something like that.
So that adjusts down from the 180. So let's just let's just round it up. Should we say it at 135 by the time we get to it? I would say so because they said well midocctober they're coming in to do the 100,000galon storage tank and put the easy vent.
Okay. And the new aiator vent on top of the ariator tower. Um I think they're just waiting for us to turn the money loose on the tower. That's going to be down a while. And I will say they're going to have to trim
some trees. There's no way around it because they got to tent the whole thing. Yeah. Because it is the it's lead paint. Yeah. Is this the same company that um didn't fire or is this a new company? Utility sir.
Same same company. Yeah. The the interesting thing about the water tower is it is a historic structure. Um it it actually is the exact same water tower as a banel. If you look at it, it's got a little tin foil cannon cap in the the round bottom
and that they actually had their added to the National Register Store Places. That's going to be something in our survey that we will have a report on next week that it's it was built in 1926 by the Brooklyn Bridge and Tower Company. It's a it's a it's a historic structure and we
need to do some work now. So, we just need to make sure we get it. Put up in 1924. Yeah. by fire hydrants was like $18,000. They brought it in by train from equipment in Georgia and they all have the same one at the same time. That's right.
Um so this currently so currently we have we have this the south water tower. We have that 180. We have that in this year's current BPD. So my question is, are we going to expend that money this year or do we need to roll it over into
next year's? It all depends on if we want to go ahead and turn them loose to sand blast the tower. Yeah, we should. We have sign contract. If we have Yeah. So I mean we need to do it. I mean, unless
if we don't, we can always wait a year to recoup, but then again, we can uh go ahead and spend the money. No, well, get it done. I mean it looked good in my checking account but I know that
I mean it looks No, it does because there when you especially when you look down I mean this is something else that we as we look at all of this is taking pride in our community and when you look down to that you know I took a picture the other day
when I was out running because when you turn right you know when you turn right at three bananas And you look down there, it's the building. I mean, it's it the building's a mess. It needs work. I mean, and then the tower and then we've got the mildew. And so, it's
taking pride in in in us. And that's what everybody that comes to town really that puts their boat in. That's what they see and that reflects on who we are. I walk out the front door right here and turn and that's what you see. I would really love permission to work
with Christina on finding a program um an art program one of the universities for their students to maybe come and do murals on that and uh maybe you know share in that cost or at least even do it as a project at their cost. Um but that's something we can we can call and find out if that's if that's something
you all on the structure not the on the building. We have two buildings right there. We got that front building and then we got a little a little area right behind that building. But I think that we need to pull the trigger and get the water tower
underway. It's obviously going to take a little while to t it and trim the trees and all that, but the money is there. We've allocated that money. We allocated it out last year and the year before we talked about it. So, and the money is in the account. Let's go. And like the mayor said, it's pride in our community.
It looks sad and you know, faded. Everybody talks about that. That's advertising. That's our city. That's pride. That's why, you know, everybody dresses town sees that. Like I said, just walk out your turn, right? You'll see it. So, so well along that line, matter if I can add one thing.
Okay. So, we're talking about the um heritage sized oak trees that are up near the water tower that need to be trimmed. Um, and you said the quote is coming in at less than the original 180. So if
those are heritage trees, they're supposed to be trimmed by um a certified arborist with tree risk assessment abilities. Um, so I hope that we're going to do that. Did you have a Most likely the city will have to pay to have the trees pruned,
right? I don't think that's in the contract. Okay. But they did say that they will have to be pruned back, right? And then also they got to make arrangements with FPNL because of that power line that's right there. I don't know what I'm hoping they
don't have to have them turn it off, but hope we can work around that. Turn off the power down there. If they turn off the power, does that affect the water or does that affect the neighborhood? All of it. But everything will be run. We can run on generators, but it's we
can't run for it's probably gonna be a month of them out there. Can they relocate the line? Uh, they can, but we got to pay for it. Well, so we need all this kind of brought to us. I mean, all of a sudden, we've gone
from, you know, 80,000. Now you're adding, adding, adding, adding. All that needs to be brought. The premium won't be that much. cost now to approve the what I'd like to do is keep the budget
at 180. We do our homework on everything that's needed and then we'll come back to you with a full report before doing anything and get permission move forward and we'll lay everything out to you on all the cost. Well, that 180 though, you have to be careful because it's like if that's not
with the tree trim, you're going to have to get permission to see if in fact because it's an because we're using this under infrastructure if that could be rolled into if that tree trimming could be rolled into this because it's necessary for the
for the job. So, you're going to have to get some some clarity on that. And we can spec out too in that I'm sure uh requirements from the city for, you know, the certified arborist to come in and all of that in their contract. But we we kind of need this to go and
you want to say you do it you want to do with this year's money and I think for this year, just 180 budgeted for the entire project. Yeah. Yeah. We need to understand what the entire project's really going to cost.
We will put that together for you. Okay. Mayor, if I could. Yes. This year's money is quickly going to become next year's money as well. Well, that's why I said, but if he if he gets it started now, at least it's in this year's budget,
right? Um and and not carried over because right now you have it carried over into next year's budget. Is that correct? Okay, correct. So, it might be a portion of it. So, that's what we would have to know is is a portion of it going to come out of this
year's budget and then we have to put a portion of it into next year's budget and then um of course that would create a carryover from this year to next year anyway. So, but we need that that needs to be that needs to be known. You can always put half in this budget
right now and the other half in next year. could do that 90,000. Well, in next year's in next year's um I have a question. This is not necessarily for Keith. Um there's two
things in here that are not clear. One one of them might pertain to Keith. Well, one of them says 17,000. It's one, two, three. It says public under equipment. It just says 17,000 public works.
That's the Kabota. Isn't that the K Cabota or it's for it's it's for either or K Cabota or a new mower. We were thinking about getting the new mower right after the first of the year. We had discussed that before. We had bought one which was part of the funds taken
out of this for this year. So we had one carryover that we were doing for one piece of equipment for public works. Okay. And then we have 17,000 code enforcement. Yes. And that would be for a new K Cabota style um
vehicle for her and we were going to take and planning on taking her vehicle and moving it into uh one of the other department fleets. Okay. Just remember with her K Cabota or at least one K Cabota, you want to get it so it's enclosed for, you know,
weather and what have you. I don't know that she needs a Cabota. She needs maybe even a small truck. No, no, there's a bunch out there. It's very expensive, but you can drop down and get something.
And I think we're using that name. We're talking about the actual. So I but but just make sure you know because of weather even if you put her on a nice enclosed golf cart. Yes. The thing with that is is the limitations as to where I mean there's
there's a lot of places in town she can go on and of course if it's an improved vehicle she can all kind of stuff and she needs protection. She needs protection. I mean from the weather as Commissioner Burton says from dogs. She needs something that will leave if she needs
to leave. But also, one of her responsibilities is picking up unauthorized signs. Sometimes they fill up the back of her truck. Mhm. Um is there there's a lot of nice uh carts out there though right now at reason
reasonable price and so yeah it's worth I mean I'm just bringing that up because she does need space to carry things when she picks there's nobody else that I'm aware of that picks up the snipe signs and the unauthorized political signs. A lot of them have beds now small beds
in the back utility beds. So we will look at into that and all the options and that too if you put her on that I mean she and and Corey could also because Corey oftentimes is on the Capota but possibly they could share a vehicle if she needs that truck you know
she needs a truck. The biggest thing is as code enforcement you see a lot more when you're in a golf cart when you're out there on the road than you do just driving you know just driving. I mean, we Tracy just brought bought a
new little uh golf cart. I don't know if you've seen it, but it really has all the bells and whistles in it. And what I mean by that, you can radio, you can hook your uh telephone up to it, your computer, all that kind of stuff. And and the price tag on that at the time
that we bought it has gone up since, but we only paid about $6,500 for that golf cart. So, there's there's a lot of options out there. And that was brand new. But that's not that doesn't enclose from the weather, right?
Well, no, but but that's a start. Okay. So, okay. I would suggest perhaps on the list here enforcement vehicle instead of just code
enforcement. It's a little confusing, right? I mean because I wonder is that abatement and we like to make sure people know that's a vehicle and the chipper but I think we have to take off because that's not that's not going to qualify
and then gas truck that's a for natural gas. I don't want to take the chipper off until we know it's not qualified because I believe if you can attach it especially if you can attach it to a piece of if you can attach it to a vehicle or if you can attach it to something that that possibly um that it
would pass. Correct. I read about that and it if it's hitched correct so we need to find out from we just needed some clarification and I don't want to lose that because they definitely need they are in need of they are in need of that we didn't put a
grapple drop on here um mayor as well two things I don't see on here that we have talked about we haven't made decisions um dock repairs um don't see dock repair on here. Does
did we decide where we would take docare from or is that still open question? And then um given the situation of the general fund budget at the that workshop, we talked about the possibility of paying for the needed
fire vehicle equipment from better place and land fund, which is specifically one of the things that we can use better place fund money for. And I don't see that here because that would um
I don't know. It would either take a burden off the general fund budget or we pay for something that we don't have the money to pay for. I'm not sure what we love that. Which reminds me while we're on this that came up yesterday that there is availability for one of those needs that
the fire department has at a reduced cost. So we need to possibly discuss that too. um on how is there a a time limit on that? Uh could possibly be I mean again when you find a bargain and you don't
Yeah. So that's something that that um I think you were going to agenda but if not we can put that maybe we could the commission could could talk about it and and possibly approved that today if they agree to. Okay. Okay. Uh when you look at our capital our present city capital improvement
plan for last year for this current fiscal year what we're looking at entry features we still haven't done that and that is definitely a need. I do believe we can do it for less than the 45,000 um even if we did a very simple but very
nice like you see when you drive through other communities um that have the nice poles and our sign that we have. You could do that for reasonably. You need three of those. Correct. We need one north and south and west. And so
north and south we could do for That's a general that's general. We can't do crescent city limits out of the CR. Sorry. That's just logic.
Sorry. I mean, I mean, with the one down the north end always has all the way to the city limits. That's central. I I don't know. To me, it is to me it is a questionable expense for the CRA to
fund the um the city. I think right now it's in better place and that's the best place to keep it. So, there's no question. So, there's no question about that. Okay. So, but I do think we could do that for reduced cost anyway. So, we haven't done that. Um, the K Cabota we
didn't do. We've added that on to next year. Um, and the sand. So, sand we've done, we have 3,000 remaining there. We've done possibly 7,000 for that. The monument sign for Ealion Park, $20,000.
That was just a cost that was carried over from the previous city manager report and CIP. So, I I'm not sure. I have not investigated those costs myself or gotten quotes, but um I assume we could get something much less expensive. And of course, the water tower. So,
that's something we're looking at dividing up. Um the storm water, the 130 that we have there, the renovation of the aiator structure. Yeah, that's um so that's the 172 that should come out from this year's and then we have to have that. Is that
correct, Keith? Let me the airator. Is that correct? The aiator for 172 that comes out. That's all in that that thing that's coming up and it'll come into and then we need to pay for that. Yes. How many years was that? It was two or
three. Uh three. Three. Three. I thought it was three. Yeah. And so then we're looking at taking the 20 out. So then when you go on to our approved capital city um capital improvement plan for next year, this coming budget that we're working on, the
new moon lodge restoration, that $10,000 which we've earmarked in here, information sign for city hall, the 35,000. Um and that's information sign. So we need to make sure that when you you put that that's the digital Yes, that's the digital sign. And we
definitely need a new one. Um uh the pickup truck the 50,000 we put that into this new into the new budget as approved writing lawnmower the 15 we already did that from this previous one
correct um and we did we take that out of BP do we know uh Steve is not here but when he gets back off okay we need to know that because that's going to reduce what we have I believe I believe you did okay so Um
the recently purchased um my understanding was that was something forward not place is that I'm seeing 15 15,710 uh for actuals year to date in May on equipment for I think that's what it is. I believe that that is where that came
from out of the discretionary fund. Steve did the discretionary fund here 15710. So yes, so that's correct. So that's where the mower came from. Okay. So we've already taken that out. Yes.
Okay. So we don't have to have it in here. However, you still saying that you need another mower. Is that correct? It would be nice, but if it's if I have to get something else, that would be like Okay. Um, well, to be honest with you, Dave needs a truck.
Yeah, I can get away with it. I can get away with, you know, once we do something about uh a side by side or whatever for Pam, then I can take her truck over into my department, but right now, but Dave
really needs one. Dave's in the hole on this vehicle. We just spent $750 on it. Yeah. And it's still Okay. So you've got the chipper for 100,000. You've included that into this we can come in lower and if if
verification that we can actually do something like that. Um the restroom for Colulbert Park you've got that for $50,000 and we think how much are we going to have to is there anything that we're going to have to put into that key?
Well Christina just brought it to my attention because it slipped my mind. Um, we've all talked about it putting stainless steel toilets in all the bathrooms. Mhm. So, we need to figure that into the budget somehow. Okay.
We can do just toilets or we can do toilets and sinks cuz they're just it's over $200 every time they turn around. I would do if we're going to do we might as well do both just simply because they're tearing up the sinks, too. And
and I do know uh when we built the bathroom at Harry Banks was $59,000. It was supposed to be 45, but then they realized he couldn't build it for that. Okay. 59,000
at Harry Banks. Yeah. And I do know that Jay Roberts and um I think that Ed Mitchner was willing to help build it. the one at Colbert at Colbert they were they said that they
would but now my question again is we've got 50,000 but if we have the grant are we going to do we still need that 50,000 in there what is that 50,000 is that our part no
um be honest with you I don't know because I wasn't on the right then we asked for 200. Look at my file. Um I believe we asked for 200, but part of the um submitt did
include um a bathroom. Yes. So I don't know if we can perhaps take the 50 that was allocated or potentially allocated to Colbert and disperse it amongst our existing bathrooms. I think that would be a better fit for the funds right now. So maybe rather than put it under
Colbert, maybe we put it under bathrooms, public bathrooms. They're all in pretty rough shape. They are. And it's an ongoing issue for our citizens and families that can't use the bathrooms and this could maybe help that. We could even um work on getting
locks and different mechanisms like we discussed to help be more proactive with the vandalism aspect. And and so every time you go in there now, are we going to put stainless steel in? And do you know what those cost? I think you looked up, right? Oh, yeah. So now we have how many bathrooms that we have to fix right now? One, two,
three, three. Aren't there five at least? Well, men and women. So, you've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. So, we have eight actual stalls right
now. Correct. Does that sound right? Because you've got one at, you got two at Marjory, you have two over here at Eva, you have two at Fletcher, and you have two at Harry Banks and two Oh, and two at D. So, we have 10, right? I said there's 5,000. So there's 10. So there's 10.
So anyway, that because I think that's going to be pretty expensive to put all stainless steel in those. It's going to be expensive, but it's hopefully it's going to be worth it. This is just a continuing circle. Find one that says close at a certain hour. Yeah.
Because it seems like most of the damage happens at night. But we'll get there when we get there. And maybe with our automatic locks or um investigating other locking mechanisms um maybe there's an automatic one or or something. It's on a timer. So at a certain time on
a timer that it goes off. It's certainly worth exploring. Yes. A time update. Yeah. Oh them at night. That would be interesting. Um I would just point out that I think Beller Beach who has a contract with their sheriff. I
think one of the sheriff's duties is to lock the bathrooms at night and promote them in the morning. I think that's in the contract. Well, it sounds like it was something you can consider as well. So, there we we've talked about that as far
as a plan on on giving a little bit of more time to the guys. uh somebody coming in having a rotating um uh schedule on opening in the morning, closing at night be, you know, dusk, you know, dawn till dusk. Um we just haven't for finalized that, but we've had
discussions about that. And I think when the park closes, I mean, absolutely. When the park closes, that means the bathroom's closed as well. Um you know, so so that's something that if we could have an automatic, um that it would automatically do that. That's something to look into. We also
don't have cameras and cameras and I don't know the lifespan of a camera and if they would consider that for five years. I believe that security is in the document that I gave you under I think it's under infrastructure. I can't remember but I I believe security is in
there. Um I can't recall but it's something we need to look into. I'm not sure. I just have one very curious question. I'm just going to make sure when the mechanism that locks a bathroom on a
timer, I'm hoping you can still get out. You should still be able to exit, just not get back in because that Okay, unless Yeah, we we looked Otherwise, we're going to give them your telephone number. It'll be on the inside of that door. Please call this number.
You've been locked in. She will hopefully to get to you at some point. assuming they have a number and then so we're number I think we should share we'll each take the nearest um okay so that's that's just a thing I
don't see security on here but that's something that we should that we could look into deeper into that yeah that we should look into because that's a question too because we don't have cameras. We don't have cameras here on our building and we absolutely should have cameras um and quit and quit with
this rigging of whatever we're doing that that are ineffective. We need to have cameras. I mean, this is this is 2025. We Everybody has a camera. We have them on our house. and why we don't have a camera on our buildings and
our equipment. Um, especially our our playgrounds and our parks. Um, it's it's time. It's time. And if we end up doing the cameras and stuff, if we do electronic walks, you're going to have to have Wi-Fi. We're going to have to have Wi-Fi. And I
think that's something that something that we've been talking to or or infinity. Um and um yeah, we started Karen actually our former coach started initiated the process and um I followed up. I've also asked reached out
to Excinity. Um Keith had the idea maybe they could help us sponsor maybe some of the internet. Um they don't they don't do that. So we're still kind of actively brainstorming and and getting quotes. That's honestly I mean at some point guys that's a cost of doing business. So
if we have to put internet out there just as long as there's a secure internet system to where people don't go out there and they're you know using it themselves but it's a secure system and that's just the cost of doing business. Okay. So ma'am yes I could. So, um it's a cost to doing
business, but we just discussed in the general fund meeting that we are short of revenue to the point where we've asked for um percentage we've asked for different percentages on the ability to give staff raises. So we we are um we're
in a tight year and according to the property appraiser um there may be more tight years and to use brought back the fact that we don't know what the legislaturator is going to do without the loan tax. So just I would caution us to try to be realistic if
we're going to do that with the parks. Um will that mean that we'll have to cut somewhere else in general? It might be that's something that we have to determine but we need to know what the cost is going to be. Right. And just saying for for better place plan um I did not bring my capital
improvement documents with me. Um I did. Well that's nice. Um do you want to use do you want to see mine? No, but I think when we discussed the budget, I mean, preferably we would have had that before us and had a report
on what was done and not done. Um, I think the replace plan needs to be more tightly integrated with general fund, for example, um, the fire department needs. We can pay for some of that out of place if we so choose. The other
thing we have to remember, it's going to be a tight year. I mean, this is our opportunity um to look at the capital improvement plan and see what's realistic, what's not realistic, where are we short. Better place fund right now um that
lasts until what? It lasts seven more years. Yeah, we only have it seven more years. Uh assuming the legislature keeps it there. I mean we need we need to plan not just for current year but for the future and
given new circumstances um I think we should all be looking at the capital improvement. Well and well and so that's why I'm going over this. This is what I mean that's why I said now we've taken you've taken the brick papers off the 50,000 so
you've removed that because that's not that's not a necessary need at this time even though Yes ma'am. Um, backing up to the topic of the docks and dock repair, I think that it is imperative that we allocate um, funds not only for the existing repairs, but forward thinking
if a a storm takes out our docks again, are we prepared to fix them? And you are and and I think too, thank you for bringing that up, Christina. The other thing that we need to talk about is we already know that on Fletcher Park that
dock is too low. And so if we have another storm come through, this is year after year when we have a storm come through, FEMA is not going to allow that lift. But in the repairs, how much would it cost the city? because that's something that could come out of our BPD
in the city in order to lift that dock because it's it's useless to repair it knowing that the next storm that comes through. I think it was like 8,000 9,000 to raise it. Okay. What they've recommended is for us to go
ahead and put the dock back once they agree to pay us and then um there's a grant we can apply for that will raise the dot through the state and we've already talked to the state about that. He feels really confident that we can get get
that money to to raise it. And how long is that? We have to get it fixed first. Yeah, it's got to be fixed first. I know. But how with the grant, what time what's the time frame are we talking about? Pretty quick. Yeah, pretty quick. Once we uh get the doc done, the guy said get a
hold of him. And is that through DP? Who is that through? FEMA. FEMA. Wait, FEMA's not the state. It was It was
FD. Okay. Are we repairing the box already? No, we need to we we fix this emergency management have docker. Why would that
Well, is is that what they're putting it under is mitigation? I believe so. There's a program that they have separate above and beyond what we already were looking into that would take care of the cost of it. I don't know the exact program, but I'll find out. I'll talk to him again. We'll circle back. We need to know that so that if that's
something that we need to do, I don't think we should count on that. I don't either. I think we need to have the funds there if we do get that grant or get support for that aspect of mitigation and raising the dog or otherwise then so be it. But we need
a we have room for that and we just need to do it. Yeah, I think we go ahead and and and I agree with Christina and we put we put some some dollar amounts in there for
that and I believe it covers boat accesses as well and I was told that we have an issue with the boat access ramp. I haven't seen it myself. Um but I heard that we we had an issue in the actual ramp itself over here at Stella. Yes, ma'am.
So I don't know how much it would cost to fix it or what the issues are. What's wrong with it? First I heard of Is that our ramp or the county ramp? Ramp. That's what I thought. It was my impression
that the ramp was not ours. That That's voting. But the dock is ours. Okay. On. Is that correct? That's my that's been my understanding. Same thing with down here, too. Right. I'll share with you the information that I received. I actually
just received it from a resident out here of some damage, some issue to the boat ramp. So, ramp or dock? Is it the dock or the ramp itself? The ramp itself. I haven't seen it literally just this morning. The ramp is concrete, isn't it?
Yes. I mean, that's it would take quite a bit, but load when they go up and grab their engine, put it up on the trailer, it washes out underneath the slab and the slap fall. And that's what that's what happened or has happened since
there is so steep which it's fine we have summer park grow okay but so the docks so you looks to me like we still have some y'all still have some work to do on
the BPP um commissioners do we have anything else on this before we any other questions before we move on or take a break Um, I can use a break. My question, let's finish this up. Right. My question for the commission is
um do we have any kind of consensus on do we want staff to look at the possibilities of funding some of the fire department equipment needs out of better place? Do we want them to at least look at that and bring it to us or
leave it in the general fund? thought we'd kind of already talked about that that if we could if we could get that um we absolutely I mean to me that's able to do that that's one of our top necessities and if we are short in the general fund budget
I think it makes sense to look and see um what that would look like if it came out of better place plan because I mean if you take it out of there's you know it affects the available money but I I mean I just don't know how the rest of the commission feels about it
on the rapid response vehicle. Um that was one issue we talked about. We were trying to get together some costs on leasing. Um Keith's actually put together a couple costs for purchase and for lease um on the equipment itself that's needed right now which is the uh
that's the air compressor. We we did find a deal on that and also for the boat. And for the boat, correct? And for the boat the two purchase. It's a a boat. It's the air motor for the boat. Correct.
One Keith found recently, I think it was a little less than $1,600. We would like approval from you all to go ahead and move on that because the it is a significant savings from what we put in the general fund budget for this year. We can reduce it and put those dollars elsewhere. Um the other is the vehicle. We can talk
about that and you know reconvene. We can move the money around here and and use the equipment uh line item to put a new vehicle in for them as well. And is that something that we could do with Dave's as well? I mean, we I think we need to look at what's the the better business decision in us buying these
vehicles outright um or is it leasing these vehicles do and that would go into like a fleet maintenance program. Correct. So, we need to start looking at because we're spending a lot of money on vehicles and it seems like we're, you know, then you surplus it and what
do you really get for the surplus? Not a lot. and and there's there's a lot of wear and tear on these vehicles. So, I think that's something that from a recommendation we need we need to know. We need to know. We'll put a report together for you all. What's in I mean, Commissioners, do you agree? Commissioner Boo look like you
were going to say something. Well, I was just going to say I mean, you know, it'd be great to go out and buy a new fleet. Um, but more importantly, we don't even have a maintenance plan in place for any of our equipment or any of our trucks. And I think that's one reason why we're kind of always, you know, we're kind of
behind the eightball on that. So, it would be nice to try anyway to get some type of u agreement with uh place around here in Crescent City to, you know, bring our trucks in monthly or whatever whatever they need. I don't think we've
had that since I've Well, we normally change our oil. Okay. and we do all that. But uh I mean I do we do need a new lift about we bought that one uh 2008 or nine and it needs some major
work done to it. But see it may it may you move us to to move forward with someone else doing that work for us. Correct. You know instead of our public works department. Yeah. We weren't doing it for a while with Shepherd when Mike was alive.
Um he worked us out a real good deal and then um I'm not sure he quit that, but yeah, it just kind of faded away. Kind of faded away, but we should reook that. You know, I'm putting together information. Keith
actually worked on asked him to to get me a list of all the equipment uh and all of the vehicles in the fleet, and he's done that. Um, I was going to work with Christina once we get past all of this budget to put together an RFQ um to get qualifications for companies out
there that can provide us a fleet service at a cost that we would know we would bring back to you all. Um, right now in the process, we're still just putting together the information, but that is something in our forefront that we've discussed as a team moving forward and need that the city definitely has
[Music] to do. Yes. Um, at our meeting I was looking we had the minutes here in our meeting that we had uh June 12th we made a motion to do the emergency repairs and then we also
commission made a motion to approve the total lot repairs at $15,000 anticipating reimbursement seconded by commissioner and unanimously approved. So we we approved $13,000 to to go ahead and fix the
right and if I remember we specified where that would come from. Is that reflected in the that's not reflected in that's a problem. We you know we did say go ahead and move forwards and we also wanted to make sure we had
all of our ducks in a row with FEMA. There was a couple emails that went back and forth to getting us off of the mitigation line and we recently just got that I believe last week. Um I believe who was representative Tanya Edwards
gave us the green light to move forward in our process. So now we are at that point of of being able to start getting that done. Thought that 13 that 13 is not the entire repair for all of our docks. No no that was city dock. It was the city dock. was city dog,
but it was I thought it was with the understanding that with the FEMA receip once the FEMA once we got the reimbursement. Is that not correct? Because I mean that's where I mean we go back and forth with this and if if we
have to be careful because if we have the ability to get that money back um that is my memory and keep us here so you can tell me whether I'm saying this right and I think our city manager was there. It is my memory that we the
reason I made that motion to go ahead and spend the money because that staff said at that meeting and we that was very late toward the end of the meeting. It was part of the emergency request, wasn't it, for some purchases and things that staff said that was the one dock
they were confident that we could get the FEMA reimbursement and had to go. Is that is that correct? I don't recall that. I don't recall that. I do know that the $2,000 we spent down there, we will not get back.
And I'm under the impression that FEMA said if we go ahead and fix the dogs that they might not reimburse us. FEMA right now is in a lot of trouble. FEMA is not it was last year and um so we just have to be careful with saying
FEMA's going to give us money. FEMA is going to give us money. Now, did we put did we put those dollars into a savings account to to gain interest on those extra dollars? Has that been put in a savings account yet? You mean we talked about that last week?
Has that been done? We haven't approved. Is it in the bank? Is it in the bank gaining interest right now? Not right now. Okay. Because that that interest might be a way to get some emergency type money. It might be a way for, you know,
when these docks break and when things kind of happen that we need that money. Um, I think you said we we get something about four and a half percent on that roughly. Yeah. Yeah. So, I I don't know what it's going to accumulate, but but we need to be doing things like that. We just need to
be doing it to to help us along here get through these what I think are going to be very lean years, right? Yeah. So, we need to start thinking forward or, you know, be a little more progressive. And I believe staff would like approval for 100% of that money to be able to go
into the money market versus 75%. It's I move that we authorize staff to put the million dollar reserve that we have in Florida immediately. Well, the motion I I do. We have a second and and
it's not on the agenda. It's not on the agenda and I think that's something that's a discussion and I also want to hear from our finance director how he feels about that. We just want to make sure but there's nothing we need to start. We've already approved the 750,000.
I think that's where we start and you can always add the additional 25 at a later time. But I mayor I concur and what concerns me is if we indeed approve that I I am very concerned that it fell
through the cracks and did not get executed because the $30,000 that was was built in to the current year budget. I mean, it just concerns me. Did we actually pass that resolution and authorize it? I thought we did.
We did. So, 750,000, right? So, if we authorize it, it should happen. It should anyway. um think of we need to add that 25 we can add that 25 you can bring that through the budget processes we can do
that but um 250 I'm sorry however I don't know why I'm saying 2550 additional we can do that 25% that's 25% that we could do that but um
right now we need to go ahead we've already approved that so we do need to get that and get that taken care But I I assume that Port of Final want to see our resolution. They did see it when we first sent it to them and they had good changes.
Okay. And we made the changes. So it's been there. It's been there. We had the resolution done because of our crime. Exactly. So do we have anything out on on the BP at this time?
Can we just clarify some action items here so that we can staff clear on who's doing what so that Steve will initiate and then take care of that with prime clear who's doing what Steve should be Steve should be doing that
and you you had said at our last meeting that you were okay with the whole amount going in there or that you suggested that resolution on it. I believe the action was 750,000. It would be better if we started out
with just 750,000 just and so that's where I wanted to hear from you like your recommendation finance. Yeah, we're more comfortable with that. So, let's do it. I was comfortable with the whole and we understand that we can pull it out within 24 hours.
But right now we just let's start with something and that's what we've approved and and not um the other thing too I would say that at the next on the next agenda for our next commission meeting um let's bring
back this dock issue to make sure so if that's something that we can do that we lift that dock one thing about the doc that I brought up I think it was I think it might have been your attention I'm not Sure. I know it wasn't yours. I should have. I'm sorry.
That's all right. So, anyway, what I thought was, you know how that docks, I don't know, 300 miles out, that one dock by the by the dog park. Thank you. Um, what if we move back in and and make it
a shorter dock, but higher up? Why do we why are we way the hell out there and, you know, never never land, you know, with the dock? I mean, what are we doing? I understand there's good fiction, but you know, I'm just
that was just that was how the uh grant was wrote. Okay. But I mean, now now that things aren't uh now that we found that, you know, every time a hurricane comes through, it gets wasted and we have to rebuild it, you know, maybe if we bring
it in and then raise it at the same time, maybe we can save a little bit of money. How much do you want to bring it in? What's that? out the cover. I'm not sure, you know, I I don't know because I don't know where the fish is. Okay.
Anywhere like But anyway, it was an IP. Yeah. So, we have that discussion. I move we take a break. Well, not not until we finish up. If I can one more um comment on the on
the dock. So, we have that discussion with Tanya Edwards. The issue is if we change what's there right now, then you run the risk of not being reimbursed. It has to match because they've already looked at everything. It has to match exactly what's out there. Uh and that's
the only reason. However, the state in the meeting with Tanya Edwards said, "We can take care of this. Get the doc, get reimbursed, and then you can come in for a grant." Do is is out there everywhere. Okay. Okay. Is everybody good now at that at
this point with the BPTs? Okay. Yes. Okay. are going to um take a a recess about seven Everybody ready? Yes. This meeting is back in session.
Mayor, I have a question for you. Yes. So, we had two different meetings noticed. This budget meeting noticed for 10 o'clock. The meeting on the minutes was noticed at noon. I'm not I'm seeing that no one is necessarily here from the
public, but if someone comes in, do we have to start the meeting on the minutes at noon? I don't know how we do that. I I'm going to also say that uh I have hard stop at one I'm gone. Stop.
hard. She's leaving. She can't say. I don't know what he's thinking, but I'm not. Okay. Well, then then we need to get mic. Everybody has their budgets in front of
them. We're going to start discussing our CRA. Okay. And u we have five pages I believe that everybody was given. Yes, of course the first sheet is going to go
over our central north south um revenues. Um those were calculated of course by taking our 2025 preliminary assessment increment multiplied by either the city or the county's millage rate and multiply by 95% that is going
to be the shared um the share of tiff for each of the CRAAS and so that is said if there's any discussion on those we can we can discuss those now um I have a question yes
so It appears to me that we have not spent all the funds in the current year. Okay. So, are we budgeting my my print is really small. Are we budgeting for
carry forward? Your print different than our print? Um, so do I say I see for north but okay. So for the central CRA I'm not
seeing budgeted any carry forward. So okay we went we went back and we went back to 2022 and kind of went through the every year with the carry forward and it it the central CRA actually had a negative balance. So not by much but there was a negative
balance. So we just put zero in that column for carry forward. Okay. So in other words the amounts we budgeted for the current year weren't accurate. you've had to adjust this year's budget for the central CRA. Correct. It was the past four years. I
think we we calculated the carry forward on it. Correct. Okay. Um and I'm not I am not um convinced that we are that's the case. I think things were not properly um
they were not properly um allocated allocated. Okay. Well, it this is a little bit concerning to me for the current year because it was my understanding that we had unexpended grant funds for
the current year for Central CRA that there was a balance. They're just talking about revenues. You're looking at revenues. Well, I'm talking about saying that there should be a carryover in the next year because we had grant funds that added. So I guess what concerns me is um
this big question mark. What happened what happens to the funds that we allocated for this year for CRA grant funds from the central CRA. You're saying they're not actually there. Correct. The way we the way we
calculated carry forward. Correct. They're not they're not there because we started at 2022 and just said okay we had it over. We had you know we were over. We were under we were over. We were under. And at the end of the day, it showed we were we were under well um somehow that needs to be clearly reported to us because all I see is a
zero carry forward and a negative balance of 15 and I think we need to and we need to be informed of that um because that affects the current year and I mean quite frankly that just
raises a lot of questions. Um so I do see carry forward for um north and south and then also affecting carry forward. I think when we looked at the general fund budget was it was my understanding we were told that um none
of the entities including the CRAAS had paid their administrative share cost back to the general fund. Those those entries will be done. If they're not done now they will be okay. So they are to to be done. Correct.
Okay. TBD. And so what will if the central CRA is 15,000 in deficit, does that include what it owes to the general fund for administration? I believe not.
Not actually 15,000 in the deficit. It's just a reduction. We have the carryover of 15,000 and they put zero for the for this next budget year. So that's a reduction of 15,000. Yeah. Because if you look 15,000 is not a negative. That's a reduction the decrease.
Correct. That's what we took out. So that's just showing the difference between what is budgeted today for 2026 and the difference between what was budgeted in your way your amended budget in 2025. Okay. For carrying forward, right? But I
guess my concern is if the money is not there for carry forward then it's don't don't it's not there just okay if you look at so commissioner commissioner if you look at we had the
budgeted 173,140 for the central okay and then if you look at actually what we have expended thus far we're at what 115. So, so we're still under for this year.
It's um it's just they haven't put all the money. You haven't everything. You haven't done your transfers. Correct. Correct. So, okay. Well, I will I have some additional questions when we get to the expenditures part. Okay.
Um because it I mean if the money is not really there, that's That's the issue. Okay. I guess I guess that's it. So, does anybody have any other questions on um what we what you they've
budgeted for 2026? Yeah. And Christina, you're comfortable with this? Yes. Okay. Okay. Then let's move on to our expenditures if we can.
So, let's start with our central start with central um salaries. We have notes just so you all know as we're following together starting um at line 21 going down on this second page to line 22. On the right hand side, you can see some comments. Most of them are all
up to date. Um some of them u may not have anything if if there wasn't anything really to talk about. Um, anything highlighted might just be something that we added that we wanted to have further discussion. Um, so the did we get a an answer on
partnership agreement for services? I guess the budget the budget is 50. The budget is 50. Okay. in there. Okay. Yeah. But but um I would point out our contract with them is pretty um
sparse or well it means to be renewed but it doesn't say much other than that they will follow the fourpoint Main Street plan. um if we're not allowed to pay for marketing, we might need to mention that
and and divide that out so it's not an issue. Um so mayor, um could I ask a question? Yeah. Okay. Above that, so Commissioner Lori asked about line 30. Um I had a question about line 26. Two questions about that
actually, which is train training and education. Um at the general fund workshop I had mentioned that in past years we had um been members of the Florida trust for historic preservation. Um they put on
the preservation on main street conference and I think it would benefit us to be a member of that organization. I think that's that would be under membership under line 40. Okay. Did I miss that line?
Okay. But right well okay I'm wrong but that line does not have Florida trust either it's Main Street Main Street and Florida festival and event association how much is that we know so we we are currently still member of
the Florida trust foration I believe so yes I think we have to be in order to be an accredited main and updated right because I think the last time I asked Charles could tell me for sure. So
that's helpful information that um I'll double check that. Okay. Um but I'm pretty sure that I know that and I apologize for interrupting. I know that we need to um have these discussions on all this. It's very important um to get in details, but
I think it would it would suit us all. I know especially time constraints if we just go line item by line item from the top and when we get to uh one of the lines that need further discussion we could do that I think it'll help us with with our time [Music] and I I can speak to some of the things
that we added in here um when we get there uh there was and let's start with line 22 salaries you've got $771 budgeted for next year so that and then you've heied on you're heavy on the north correct So,
um I have some concerns. I have some concerns that last year um because Mr. Red um reallocated the CRA manager salary, right? To pay to help pay for the um $100,000
grant to heirs to do the master plan. what he said at the time and I don't I don't know if this is gentlemen I'm sorry you need to listen please to Commissioner D. Thank you ma'am. So what Mr. Red said um in the last budget year when he
allocated the salaries heavily toward north and south and less towards central because um I think I asked a similar question as you can we do that um you know depending on how services are provided and he said yes. He said as
long as some funds came, it did not matter um how we divided it. That was that is the distinct answer I would call. So there's not. So and that's that's where I think we need some clarification to make sure there doesn't have to be an equitable share amongst the three.
And that's a good question. That was his answer because there's things in on this one that there's not on the other one. Like telephone is on this one. It's not on any of the other ones. Um, well, and I have I have a question. It is now, but it wasn't. So, go ahead. Okay. Well, we're we're going line by
line, right? So, we got salary, right? So, that um I guess Mr. Holmes or whatever would be the one to answer that. Steve, we we cleared our our audit with or no, we didn't wrap up 24 yet where
this type of salary dispersement would have been discussed. Perhaps the auditors may have caught it if it wasn't allowable. Is that Yeah, correct. We haven't finished up that body yet, but yet if there was an issue, they probably would have let us know. So, but even like health insurance, so if you come down to health insurance,
you have zero in the central um you're waiting these over into the norm. So you got 10,300 in the norm. Um so I think that's something that needs
to be um and I don't think that the I think we have to go to um Christina maybe that's something that you could reach out to the industry and find out. Um, I don't know that Mr. Holmes would have
that would have that that answer. That leads to another expense, but it's a good question, I think. Okay. So, I think I think all of that's going to roll into the salary spike of pension, health insurance. Then we come
down to training and education and we've got 1,500 there which is um you know same as what it has been for but so training and education appears to be divided between the CRAAS.
Yeah. And my observation about training and education is um both for staff and for commissioners um I asked this of Mr. read and he said it was appropriate that if commissioners
want to attend the CRA I mean the Florida redevelopment conference that it should go here and not necessarily in our general fund training budget because we are a separate CRA board. I think that's with the understanding though
that if that's the case, however, our CRA manager, our training should take precedent over ours. So that we need to again commissioners be aware of the cost. So and that's my understanding too is that
it can come out of this. It can come out of this. We just need to to um make sure that before we sign up for anything that there are the funds available and it doesn't in any way take or take away from our CRA director.
Um I would agree. I'm just saying I think it's worthwhile to provide for the CRA board to also go to a conference and for um training because otherwise we are just not as informed as we should be. I
think one year um you and Commissioner Berg and I and Mr. Rudd went to the FRA conference in um right and then Mr. R and I went to the one in um Pontabrajet Beach. So I to me I think
it's I think it's very worthwhile because we're the board. So then we come to travel at 2,000. So we're keeping the travel um and that's hotel and mileage. So, that's separate and apart from the registration fees and the training and education.
And you've done 2,000 there. Let's see. If you go over to the north, we can take care of that at the same time. Um, you you don't have mileage in the north. Car allowance. You don't you have car allowance, but I guess you put a
thousand a thousand in there, but you don't have travel. You don't have travel in there. Um and you don't have travel in the south either cars. So then we come down to do we have any
other questions there? Um I think that's um I have a couple questions. Yeah, go ahead. Further down um on travel. We're on travel right now. How do you deal with that? Go to travel. Okay, let's go to accounting and auditing.
So you've got 4,500 in here. Last year we had nothing that was um you think traditionally it always been allocated to the central I'm sorry to to the north. No there was nothing in the north either
last year for accounting and auditing. It sounds to me like that um the general fund must have been picking that that cost up in the audit. So need to make sure check on that if you would. Well, what I mean, shouldn't it be the
cost of the audit for the CRA should come out of the CRA? Shouldn't come out of the CR. That's why I said check on that, please. So, if you need to reallocate it in dollars, please do so. Right. And mayor, if the costs do not have to be allocated proportionately,
um I believe that it's the North CRA that has um it's right, it's heavy with funds. If they can be um not completely proportional, then it would make sense
to let the North CRA bear as much of the allowable cost as they could for the operation of the CRAAS. which I think if you look at this current budget, it's already they've already they're already doing that, right? For everything.
Well, for a lot the salaries, your FICA, your pension, your health insurance, um all of that is when you look at that, like it's it's it's weighted. All of the health insurance looks like it's weighted over in the north in the north.
So, that's something we just have to make sure of that we have to make sure of. So if we if we continue to move down, we've got the car allowance. Looks like you put that into all three. Yeah, except the one the one you just divided amongst the three.
Okay. And professional services, that's the 50,000 that you have budgeted and you have that coming out of the central because Main Street is in the C within the central CRA. Now is that 50,000 what we're paying, Tim? Well, we don't pay anything.
That's what we're paying. We partnership they in turn are paying him entire amount the entire amount. Okay. Cuz I I thought originally they told us that the funds were going to be split
between staff and lease, but I guess it doesn't really matter. That's when they were looking at doing a part-time. I think they were they were taking that money and they were doing a part-time. I'm pretty sure that was in the budget they presented to us. But anyway, it's new. Um I don't know that we specified
in there what they could spend it for. Um it's kind of we have contracts with them and then they spend the money and but basically we give them the 50k, right? We give them the 50 the 50 on a quarterly, you know, we approve it every quarter.
Yeah. Every 125 or whatever. You had your hand raised there. Yes. Um I it's time to I guess re renegotiate the terms of their contract. Um so maybe we need to initiate that discussion with them and and um re
resign our memorandum of understanding. I mean it's only um through the end of the fiscal year. So we are we are going to renegotiate that or at least renew. So that 50,000 is only spent on professional services or can it be spent
on other things without the discretion of the board? I believe um I think the intent from Mr. Redd in the past was to have that um full amount be salary so that they would be able to get um an adequate director
and professional in that position. That was the intent. That absolutely was the intent and that came in the discussion when they decided to go part-time with that is that that was the intent that was brought to us. Yes. Now, our memorandum of understanding states that um they are to operate as
Commissioner Devito said based on the four-point approach and um the four-point approach based on our population requires a part-time director. So perhaps there's that room for negotiation when we're when we have those discussions. So based on our
population, our main street program would a part-time director would be sufficient and we would still maintain our status. Okay. So that's something too that especially if we find that it doesn't that it can't
come out of here that it has to go out it has to come out of our general fund that you know as much as we hate to do that that might be something that is where if that's what we're it's our intent to make sure it's fully staffed um then then those requirements would be for a halftime or part-time
and mayor I I just I find it hard to believe that um we would have to fund them completely completely out of the general fund budget because um number one um I think we'll up here where it
says we are not allowed to advertise um which is my understanding from the training that I've been in that we are not allowed to or we that the CRA yes the CRA is not allowed to do blanket advertising but that you can do
advertising with relationship to new projects the same with marketing that it just can't be a general advertising and marketing program. Um, but I I would be very surprised if it's not allowable to
um fund most of the Main Street expense out of the CRA. Um, and we need to check on that because just because a Main Street and CRA are two separate entities. Yes. So, it just so happens our main street runs within our CRA. So there's two set
two two different set of rules that we just need to make sure that the CRA will acknowledge that the Main Street program that we could fund the Main Street program our portion our contribution to the main street if we can fund it out of the um our CRA.
Okay. Well, most do most do and as well so did most right do events until that came up at that meeting that you and I were sitting in and everybody was like you heard you heard air go out of the room. Um it depends. It depends. There was
there was a lag with it's the smaller main streets that tend not to get the information because they don't have their own counsel. Um, what was I going to say? I just lost my train of thought. Um, we could have a more specific contract
um that specifies what the money can and can't be used for that we're giving them. Okay, let's move on to if we can um to the telephone. So, we've got the telephone on there and it looks like you've shared that. Is that correct? Correct.
improvement projects 35,000. Um that's we're looking at doing the beautifification along and adding to what's already been put out there. Correct. Okay. Possible new benches. We we put a note
on your lighting, new signage. But yes, we we ended up putting more in there. Right now, it looks like we've spent nothing out of there for this current year. Is that correct, Christina? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Um, so that possibly will be a carryover
into next year if we if we still don't do anything through this end of this fiscal year. Advertising, we've zeroed that out. Um, that's the second year in a row. Uh, that's a question. And so that would be if it's an inaugural advertisement, um, are we able to do
that? So that would be, you know, um just like with the bike with the the bike fest that they're that you know they're putting on if that's something that we could use for that advertising for that inaugural events. Yes. Yep. Inaugural events. You have any other questions on that as
we continue on? Advertising to inform the public maybe of um grants and things of that nature would be um inapplicable. Okay. Um, other charges. That's zero. Um, not
even sure what that is. We had 500 last year, zeroed it out. We have another other charges. We had nothing budgeted. Zeroed that out. Utility electric. That seems like a lot. the $4,200
and that is is that doesn't that wouldn't that be included in share of costs or cost? It should be in the shared cost just an admin fee. Yeah. And it is not in the north
um nor is it in the south. So it's all in the central. Is the telephone for cell phone or is that should be for the should be for the cell phone.
Definitely is probably not only cell phone. I know we have a really good deal with our cell phone um service. Steve, does that include our office phone and a cell phone? The the line item for telephone?
I'd have to take a look. I believe it just made these the telephone. I'll have to take a look. Shared cost, right? That should be shared. I will check with I will check with Sheila. IT support.
Yeah, that's part of the Yeah. Um and again, there's no IT support in the north and the south. Uh IT licenses. Now, this has the $11,000. So is that with laser AI is
that? So that's I mentioned that yesterday. So we we don't have to have that. The chamber has the chamber has contracted with them and the chamber has been willing is willing to share that information with us. Yes. So I that's what I was
I don't think,000 that needs to come out. Yeah. their their contract expires with us the end of the fiscal year and we are not going to renew because you stated mayor the chamber um has that and we have access to it via the chamber. Okay.
Yeah. Apologies. So good news that's an $11,000 savings. Yes. And I'm not sure how that comes under it licenses because it was licensed with an IT company. Well, it seems
subscription service. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it seems more like I mean that seems misleading to me. I thought it was or I I don't know. I don't think that's very good description. Um [Music]
a professional services. It's a service. I mean it may be a service that is provided by information technology, but to me it's a service. And I think if you want to I think if we go back up here, professional services, professional services,
maybe we need to retitle that so that you have two different ones so you would know that what that professional service is so there's no confusion what that professional service is. Okay. Um and they did put a footnote over here so that anybody that saw that that you
know we got 375 for last year. The reason of the increase is because that was a proration. So, we have that notated if anybody asked. Oh, they went up. No, we didn't. We agreed to that from the get-go. Um, so then let's go down. Operating
supplies 500 membership cost. We're keeping that the same and that is covering everything, correct? Yes, ma'am. Um, when you put the 2,000 in there, it looks like in 2023 we spent $12.89.
In 2024, 175. That doesn't seem correct. Maybe it's because you took it out of umentral. We're still in central page two of my project.
You didn't put that. So, it's nothing. So that doesn't seem correct, Steve, because you don't have it in north and you don't have it in south for membership. So I don't know where that 175 came in for the membership in 2024.
We might have put that back in there just to get it to balance too. So well, not in the expenditure. You can't do an unodited expenditure for 175 if we didn't sorry. Yeah, check that. I'm sorry.
Okay. H indirect cost allocation. That's 16,000. That's what was that's the shared cost. Is that correct? Um and you haven't done any of those transfers yet. So that's why it's showing zero.
Okay. Housing rehabilitation grants. We had 15,000 last year. We budgeted for 125 bringing it down 2500. Um Christina, are you this is in our central um I'm comfortable with that for
housing. Um you know, of course this area is more of a commercial, so I'm comfortable with that for residential. I just find out that nobody has been any problem. This is a problem.
We We remember the year prior I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead. The year prior we did go out. We had some that applied um we had the house, you know, the on Main Street, Veronica Glover's family's home that had caught on fire that they had asked for
some assistance and through much investigation, it determined that it would be very difficult to do much with that house. Um, we also had the duplex that we looked at when we did the tour of that and the duplex they ended up demolishing the duplex.
Wait a minute. You mean the one on East Grand? Yes. 40 East Grand Rome's cousin. Their family owned that piece. I think her sister, right? And then for 19 for 19 Cer
Street, we funded um repairs and painting for for that house. There are other structures there that are historic structures and one of them um I think is being rented and is a residence next to
um North Main Street run of Glovers and that house is in desperate need of repair. Is that the twotory? It is a twotory and it is a contributing structure in the historic district. I think it is a historic world.
No, it's the one right here on the corner right here across from Shepherds. The couple came in and bought that. The couple came in and bought that and they've been working on it. So there there are a couple of there are a couple of residences down there that are
greatly in need of assistance. And let's also just as you all are aware if there is a vi code violation on any of the loans or if they're for their taxes they're not eligible for um for a CRA grant. Um now I would like to state
also Mr. a large window grant that we you all recent we awarded this last fiscal year um that um could be um taken out of our housing fund because it is in fact for the residential property. So I think it
would be applicable to that line item versus our um our regular facade grant program. Okay. And that would be his was what 17. We've got 15 in there. So that would put more back into that. Mhm. Um so so our um I think maybe
the actual reallocate those. Yes. But we take it out of the residential. No, take it out of the redevelopment grant and put it into the residential the portion that it can cover. Right.
So it was 17 plus 17 if my memory serves me correct and we had 15 available in there. Yeah. So, you're saying that would wipe out the 15 for the year? That would for the year, but it would also add back into our grants, our
redevelopment grants. It would add the 15 back into the redevelopment grants. Okay. And um I'd like to make a couple of observations. Um it's my understanding now that we are required to report to the state of Florida on um
what we have done for our CRA every year compared to our budget and our plan. Is that not correct? Yes, ma'am. That's correct. And when was the last report turned in? Um January. Okay. So
I just read that somewhere. I just went I just found that somewhere and read it. Right. And was that circulated to the commission? Do you recall? I believe it was and it was posted to our website and Okay. Um because and the reason for the report
is is that the legislature wants to see that we are using well that we are actually making improvements with our CRA that our CRA is um eliminating slum and
blight. So there's that. Um my comment on the grant programs is we don't have a lot of money available in the central CRA and we have um a lot of need and what some CRAAS are doing both county
and city um they are not giving outright grants they are doing loans and some of them structured the loans where um the city pays the interest and
the um recipient pays back the principal. So it creates kind of a revolving fund. Some of the funds get returned. Um I think that's a good model. It makes sure that um there's an element of
fairness there. the um the property owner is responsible for some of the cost and it stretches the dollars um to go farther because some when you put money out some of it is then coming back in.
So that's one way to stretch our funds because we have pretty great needs. Are you aware of that program? Our CR manager, are you aware of the program that she was just talking about? No. Well, I mean, it's it's it's a way that other if you go and look at other
CRAAS and what's in their budget and what they do. Um I don't know how I became aware of it, but I picked it up somewhere and there's more more than one CRA that that does that. If you would provide um any of that contact to Christina so that she
so she has an understanding of it. So, she understands that too. even if that's something that we're able to do um then that then we should look into it to see if it's applicable to us or no reason why not. Well, I did give it to Charles RD
and he told me that he wasn't interested. That's how far that went. Um but I did I gave him information. Okay, let's find Right. So, let's go. So, let's move on. So, mayor, hang on. So we have um $11,000 in
IT licenses. We've already talked about that. We've taken 10,000 of that out because that's the place AI. Okay. So my question is where it's in the budgeted amount. Um so that is
$10,000 that we can put somewhere else additional that we could put into our grants. Well, we could put it into our grants. But speaking of grants, um I think at a recent meeting, um Commissioner Moore
brought up the subject of grants. Um it is my strong feeling that given our limited resources, we need to be looking not just at giving out our limited money, but what we can do to bring money
in. And if the $10,000 from uh the central CRA could be combined with some funds from the other CRAAS, we might want to look at um spending that on a grant writer or a researcher
who could figure out whether there are grants available to our CRA. You know, I have heard this for four years. We have two grant now we have two grants grant writers grant writers and so at what point do we just say we've got grant writers and and
task them with doing such we don't I know we don't pay them but they but we that's part of the grant if they you know oftent times that could be part of the grant that they get paid through that
and so I think that that's something that we need especially is was what's the secondary company second company? Guardian Guardian. They also was just to have a meeting with us and talk to us about our capital needs and what we wanted. That's this is something that our staff
is adamantly working on. Um I recently tked all of the um department heads to find out what grants are in their purview and uh what we can go after. And that was the reason I had the meeting set up, but we ran over on working on the budget. So, we couldn't do the
meeting yesterday, but I have a call in Melissa Fox and we're going to start with them and then we'll go to Guardian. But that's that's again the whole reason we went with Guardian. Again, the whole reason we went with the second grade company is because staff did not have that time, did not have those resources at their
fingertips and we were looking to a grant writing company that could do that for them. Okay. So, that they because they don't I mean Yes. Yes, I initiated contact with Guardian about um probably seven weeks, eight weeks,
six, seven weeks ago and um they were going to work on they want to meet with us, discuss with us and see what our needs are and they'll they will work on finding grants for us. Of course, there's a fee for it, but we've engaged with them already, so why not utilize them? Yeah, absolutely. That's what I'm saying. That's what we've got that
company. I mean, I didn't say that, but that's what I was that was my intent of my comments is that we've got that company. Let's ask them to perform. Okay. Okay. And mayor, just to clarify, um, will they look at all grants and let us
then let us know if there's something we would have to pay them to go after. They should. Okay. They should. I just want to make sure because it's quite a while since I did the presentation. Fred Clark really only handles grants that he will be paid from. He does not expect that. But
Guardian, um I think it's my recollection that they will just look at the universe and if there's something that they feel they would need um compensation for to prepare the grant, they will let us know. But that is very expensive.
So um Okay. So, your suggest your suggestion is that we take the $10,000 that was spent on Placer and um distribute it to our put that into our grant program. Put that into our grant program for right now. And I will
definitely reather info on um okay loss. Okay, let's move on to the north if we can. We've already pretty much covered this north um all the way down to um really this is something to our accounting what are the professional
services um and then and the that would be the appraisal surveys renderings that we have is that correct we haven't we haven't done that but I know in the past we've had to get the renderings for for some of these grant
proposals that we've had, you know, they had renderings down here on central. We had it for the down on the north. We had it for the save a lot, you know, so that we could bring that um and so those do cost. So I guess that's what that comes under.
Is that correct, Christina? Yes, ma'am. Okay. And um our NOR CRA section should be a little more active in the upcoming fiscal year. I've been in communications with the Save a Lot Plaza and um they are diligently recruiting tenants. I've
met and uh with some potential tenants who've expressed concerns about their costs for buildout and and things of that nature. So, I'm hoping with um with the north that maybe I can bring before you next fiscal year some um tenant improvement projects, things of that
nature. And that's why we have all this money. Yeah. Correct. Deposit somewhere. Yeah. because it's I think the office supply isn't the office supply leaving there. So that's a that's a large um
spanky's left. So I mean except for the laundromat um family dollar and save a lot. That's all they have in there now. And I know that they they they're actively recruiting tenants. There's a lot of discussions going on um
even for their health parcels lot. And um the Duncan project is still underway and under negotiation. So, um, even though that's not the same owners of state a lot, that will be an active, um, parcel. So, once Duncan's there, um, of course, we're hoping that there'll be a
chain reaction. The, um, owners are in discussions with other fast food chains at the moment for those parcels. Um, we're not at liberty to discuss any of those details because the less terms of the contract aren't done, right? If we can if we can help with
some of the software and stuff that plaza then it would be great. Now we still have it earmarked for how much do we have earmarked for block size? 171 171. So that's the norm. That's norm. Um, and
we're short of time, but it would be helpful if we could have like an updated report that could just be passed out in writing on where Rockside or or anybody else is. Um, we did at the last meeting, I think we talked about that, but Lockid's trying
to work out immigration issues before they can come back through a while back. Um, no. That was like I think I reported on that last meeting on meeting before that that was that they're trying to work that out because they were hoping to be back and be up and running by August and
that didn't happen and they still have landscaping that they're trying to to take care of. Well, I guess that's the update there. Okay. My observation is we seem to have um sufficient funds in the north the
north CRA to the help block site a little more if they need and then I had a question about the h isn't don't we have housing rehabilitation grants? We do and if you look there's 25 we had 55 last year we have 20 we've dropped it down. Christina are you in support of
that dropping that down $30,000 from the 55? I know you were looking at the homes over on Grove. Are those the only homes that are really applicable in the north? Those are targeted on our targeted list. They're on our target list are a
priority even though um a couple of the identified properties on that list are not in need of repair. Um they actually look the one home looks very nice and the one is a vacant lot. But um I'm comfortable with that for the
residential portion and um think that it's um it's good that we're heavier in the redevelopment and in the actual grant line for our commercial properties. Okay. But one minute the where do we stand? We we allocated $55,000 but we
did not spend any. What was the impediment um for spending any of the funds? I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. Um, okay. Why haven't we extended any? Is that what you're asking? Well, during this fiscal year, um,
we've have had a lot going on. We've had a lot going on and since Mr. Rudd left and Michael Brilhart came over, um, I was working very closely with Mr. real hard and and getting up to par with all of the city business and really didn't have
the um time to pursue those those residential like I normally would. In other words, it wasn't that the owners aren't eligible or interested. We just haven't had the staff time to pursue it. I haven't solicited them and noers have
um come forward. Well, I mean just quite frankly that area is of significant concern. Um, it's there's some very substandard houses there that I think Mr. Red was concerned
about and I think it would help the neighborhood. Um, I mean, I'm not sure I'm not sure that we should be reducing the amount because there is a lot of need. Um, it's a it's a a blight to that particular area and I think it needs
attention. I mean, people are telling me Yeah, I think for right now we for the budget for budgetary and and Commissioner Lori said that that if she does find because remember keep in mind too that these they have they can't be
under um they can't have any leans against them. No no no violations. Um and it has to be voluntary. It's not something we can go into. So but right now if she runs into that then she can always come back in and ask us to readjust accordingly.
Okay. that but we're somehow it it's not really effective just to say we can't address this issue because there's code violations that I didn't say that I didn't say that well that's that's the summary of it
that's not don't summarize what I say I did not say that what I said is those children number one have to be voluntary for us to do anything number two is if there are any code violations they would not qualify Okay. So, we don't know if those funds
are or not. And number three, if she finds that she has those that want something done and it exceeds this amount, then she can always come back to the commission. But from a budgetary standpoint, right now, we've got to move forward,
right? But I will just share this with you, and this is something that I learned from going to conferences. Successful CRAAS clear slum of life by being proactive. They work with their code enforcement officer. They offer
people incentives. They find a way to get slum and blight clear. And we I think that if we're really going to make an effective CRA program for clearing slum and blight, then we have to put
some creativity to it. And I think I think I think we get that. Are are these funds for the grants a 50% match share from the owner as well? If it's not targeted, if it's targeted, no. Okay. So, target Christina. If it's targeted, it's 100%.
If it's not targeted, it's a 50. It's a shared a shared cost. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much for that. Right. And we set the qualifications. If they need to change in order, um to make improvements effective um then we can do
that. Okay. So, let's go down. So, we've gotten our redevelopment grants. So, right now we budgeting 223.99. Um, and so we've already talked about, you know, all the things that are going to come out of that, the thousand dollar
advertising, the CRA programs. Um, again, that's what Christina said is that, you know, when we advertise to the homeowners, when we advertise to the businesses, that's where that money can come out of. Do we have anything else on that? Nor
CRA miscellaneous expenses. We have zero. Other we have budgeted a thousand. We had budgeted 1,000 last year. And zero, I don't understand what other is. I think that's a placeholder for extra
funds, miscellaneous use. I'm not 100% sure, but that's probably why it wasn't used. That should have been miscellaneous expenses, nor CRA miscellaneous expenses. So other is always I don't like others. I agree. We'll put it up to the miscellaneous expenses and delete that
other um indirect cost allocation. That's the shared cost. Yes. Okay. Do we have any other questions on our north before we move to our south? Anything? Okay. Let's go to our south.
Again, we've already talked about salaries. We go down here um to training and education. We've got a thousand in there that we still have other again 1,400. We expended nothing. I'm not sure what that 1,400 is. Um please if you
look into that, Steve. Okay. Improvement projects. We've got um 16. We expended none. We've got 1822 um two and that's going to be for
landscaping. You're looking to do some way finding here. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. So, you're comfortable with that amount, Christina? Yes. Um car allowance. So, we put a car allowance. We've shared that cost.
Telephone. We're sharing that cost. But you're still going to verify the 667 across the board is how much what that applies to if that's telephone. Correct. Professional services. We've uped it from 2,000 to 3500.
and then redevelopment grants 272. Um and so with this redevelopment grants, we have no targeted um housing. We don't have do we even have in the south there's housing? There's
housing for sure. We have to make sure it's within within the CRA boundaries because some of those are cut out. So, we have to figure out which one's cut out. Okay. So, the one you're talking about by the Methodist church, is that the area you're talking about between the
Methodist Church and Park? Yeah. That whole block on the west side towards Lake Stella is pretty much residential. And there is I don't know who owns it. Um the first two homes uh
closest to Evil Lion are owner occupied. They're in pretty good shape. There is a significant twotory historical construction on the north side. Um is that whole block in the south on the west side?
Yes, I I think it is. Yeah, I'm not sure because you know um Elamigos and Baja they're not they they're they're opted out from Warren I mean from Lemon down I believe is opted out.
Okay. But um the last I heard um the the u the residents cut a corner from me actually directly cut a corner from Toby and Ricky Smith on the corner of Myrtle and South. Yeah, that was in there. So,
if if we could get some clarification on Let's just get our boundaries. If we can just have our boundaries for right now, keep it the way it is. And if those if there are some residential and we determine when we finalize this that we need to move some into that, then we can, right? Because um I I don't think
there's there's a few and as well there's one on the It would be helpful to know that that's res, wouldn't it? Okay. So, for right now, we're going to keep it the way it is. Do we have any other questions with that? Okay. Yes. The way it's listed as redevelopment
grants, I think it could be universal, commercial, you know. So, in the south, the south goes that it it's south. That's the campground. And
then across the street there's two blocks here or something. I don't know why there. That's it. There's two blocks there. Okay. What's that cross street? This is below that looks like So you have orange and then like they've
opted out. So they're opted out the the park. He's opted out. Everything. Yeah. Okay. But one block off of 17 just like Okay. So, okay. What Commissioner Roy is showing me is that the areas that I had
identified is actually the the residential area one block south of the 200 block of US7. That's central CRA and the south CRA is actually very small. It's got a little strip of um
highway 17 that starts either at orange or lemon. maybe orange lemon and everything south of lemon there's just a little to rever junction road. So again when we go through this we'll make sure we have the boundary maps so
that we can see that. Okay so indirect cost allocation that's the shared cost and then the of course the oper for projects um that's zero that's zeroed out because that doesn't apply. Okay. Do we have any other questions in our CRA
at this time? Got some clarification you're going to have to do for budget for the you bring us a final proposed final. Yes. We have any other questions? No, I've just had an observation that if we have
available funds and they don't have to be out strictly allocated between CRAAS, it really might benefit us to find this an attorney with CRA expertise and get him to answer a few questions for us.
I made a note to go to Don. He may have somebody that he can recommend. quote the quarter redevelopment association absolutely they would have they have they have ample ample um expertise and resource I mean they don't have anyone on staff but they would tell you
right now so as we're going through this though um the one thing that we do have um that if we wanted to if we wanted to bring this commission we had the emergency uh purchase possible do you think we need
to to try to do that here or do you want us to do that um at the next Tuesday's agenda? I definitely want to go through these minutes and get these past us. If it doesn't take long, I would love the permission to move forward with the $1,600 if that's something we can do
now. I can also bring it up in the agenda. It's up to this commission. $1,600. And I just that's for the fire the fire the air compressor. Yeah. I I'm pretty sure we can get him to put it on hold. That's my main thing that I asked Keith
was was just tell them don't sell it. It's coming to us. So, we have time. I would love to move on to the minutes to move forward with that. Okay. So, with that, I'm going to go ahead and if there's nothing else, um a motion to adjourn this meeting.
So, moved. Okay. Um do I get a second? Second. Okay. All in favor say I. I. Okay. This meeting is adjourned. We're going to go ahead and call the order. Mayor, yes. The clerk needs five minutes to
transition between meetings. Okay. Okay. Good. Um, I'm absolutely inhale it. Part: 2
Okay. [Music] Okay. Okay. Done. [Music] bad. >> Okay, we're going to go ahead and convene our special meeting. Um, the
date is July 5th. Uh, no, the date is not July 15th. The date is August 5th, 2025. And if you'll do a roll call for us, please. Madam Clerk, >> Commissioner >> present. >> Commissioner William DJ Lorie
>> here. Commissioner Linda Moore >> here. >> Commissioner Cynthia Burton >> here. >> City Manager Derek Martin >> here. >> Administrative assistant assistant clerk Nancy Loy and Mayor Myers present.
>> Thank you. Okay. We're going to go ahead and um I don't know that we've already done we've already done our invitation and our pledge to the flag even though this is a separate meeting. Um, I think we'd go ahead on it for a matter of time um and go forward. So, I'm going to hand it
over to you. >> Okay. Um, I would like for um our clerk and the assistant to discuss uh in detail, go through this in orderly fashion. They had a lot of information to put together for this. I
think they're well equipped since it's also their responsibility for these minutes to capture um to go ahead and move forward with this meeting. If you will please. >> Okay. before you there's 11 set of minutes and then two
additional from our new study fair transcription minutes 18 cents and I've provided you with commissioner Devito's proposed changes as well as
commissioner Lor's changes do I have a motion [Music] would like to >> I don't know that we need to what what are we presenting here? So you have the the the minute as presented to us by the
clerk based on um the trans going through and the transcriptions. Um, and then you've got the changes. You've got two sets of changes. One is Commissioner Lor's changes or his recommendations and you've got Commissioner Devidito's
recommendations. >> Okay. I have a question about Commissioner Lor's changes. Um, they're um many of them are clarifying making corrections to names that are
stated in the minutes. What I wasn't sure is are those corrections to a version of the minutes that incorporated um >> yours >> mine the ones that I sent. Okay. >> Um All right. That makes sense. It
seemed as if they were. So those are additional >> corrections. Okay. So that means on those that she's made changes that you've done that you're in favor of her changes. Mhm. She did put a note in my note. The ordinances on this first step
>> don't have the mover in the second. Is that something that >> that is something we can >> And actually when I looked at that um um I don't know that it's necessary. You have the move you have the motion who
the motion was made by. Correct. >> It's not go through. Okay. Clarify that specific. >> We just need to make sure that that's that we have that we do have that in there. Okay. >> That was just this first set that some
of that was captured on most of the rest of do have that detail. This is my question. >> I've never seen that didn't say who made the motion and who seconded it.
>> Correct. Never in my entire 35 years of attending sex. >> Okay. >> I think too moving forward um our new program, it would probably be helpful. I don't know if it's customary, but it
would be helpful if you're making a motion to say your name commissioner the name and then make the motion because the program I found out is not picking up um who who is making the motion and we're having to go back. Correct.
>> That is correct. Uh we make notations during meetings as to who made the proper motion. >> The new system has not learned your name yet. >> Correct. Okay. You know, I go through uh school
rules and boy, we've been doing this all wrong since I've been here since uh what 2020, I guess. Um, the simple thing that it says that kind of hit me last night when I was going through there was
need the the minutes are to be discussed at the beginning of the meeting and they they need to be approved right at that meeting period. All of the corrections, everything that needs to happen with those minutes from
the last meeting needs to be done at the next meeting before you move on to any more business. But we haven't been doing that obviously because ge we got a we got a truck full of minutes that we got to do something with.
And uh basically the other thing that I really kind of read is and I don't have it here in front of me but you know we don't need all this verbatim stuff in there. Um it's very it's very specific on how the minute should be written. Uh
yes I think in some of the minutes that I've seen there was scarce. Okay. you know, when we were first trying to get something uh that everybody would be agreeable to, but you know, you need a few more bullets, but we do not need
paragraphs and and names and whatever. Okay? It really should just be the commission. This was discussed. Okay? These may be the P people that, you know, especially if we have presenters, these are the presenters. This is what they presented. You know, things like
that. It should be a oneline kind of deal and uh and as far as the votes go uh here's the vote and and this is what people voted and move on. um this business. I mean, what I'm seeing when I see, let me just say it, when I see BJ,
when I see Lisa Devito uh rewriting these minutes, it always seems to be a kind of skewed a little bit. And that's what they're trying not to do is skew uh one opinion from the other. The way that uh these things are kind of taken in
hand. For example, the last BRC meeting, >> the last BRC meeting, there was a long you you put in a lot of stuff about what was said at the BRC meeting and um but you didn't kind of finish how anybody
kind of voted or what anybody said and why things were voted against the BRC going forward. So, so it's it's like you kind of got half of it, not the other half. And that's why you should really try not to to to do that, okay? You
should just say, "Hey, this is what's happening. Uh, this person got up and talked. This person got up and talked with a long oneliner." Bing bing bing bing bing. And here was the vote. And uh, with that, I had to go. So, can I
please respond? Because I never put in summaries of anything. Everything I did was correcting names and making sure that agenda items are on there. So I don't know why you're lumping me in with someone else and accusing me of things that I've not done. So I take if you
would like to take the minutes then go for it. But >> all I do is I I correct names and make sure that things are included and those are more scribers. >> So when you look in here and I've got this from the school boards and I will read this.
>> Thank you. It's a question. Isn't it necessary to summarize matters discussed at a meeting and the minutes of that meeting in order for the minutes to be complete? And their answer back is not only is it not necessary to summarize matters discussed at a meeting and the minutes of that meeting, it's improper
to do so. Minutes are a record of what was done in a meeting, not a record of what was said. >> Um, and so that's where we have to be careful. And this is that slope, that slippery slope that we're constantly on with our minutes. Um, And so I you know I I will have to say
that this one set that it was summarized that you know somebody that I guess commission these were your summaries from this first meeting. Um >> yes ma'am >> and you know when you come in here and and
if I could respond please to commissioner I don't remember what I've done if I Okay. She is >> I am not Wait a second. I am not done speaking. So I'm saying that what we have to be careful of is that we are not summarizing or putting summaries in here
of our interpretation of what we heard. And that's why I think as the clerk who is actually listening to these that we have to rely on that um that we we do have to rely on that and that's what we've asked um all along is that we rely
on the clerk and what they're listening to because unless we are actually sitting down and and writing this verbatim um or listening to it ourselves our recollection sometimes is not as accurate as as them actually listening to the meeting. So now you don't
respond. Commissioner B. Thank you for allowing me to finish. >> Thank you. Well, first of all, Commissioner Lori was given the opportunity to respond. Um, I think it's very inappropriate for her to say that I skewed something. Um, I think it's
important when there are presentations and you have to keep in mind we're a public body and the minutes are supposed to be for us to rely on um for the future. So sometimes when there's a
presentation, it is important what was said. For example, when there's a report from Reg Architects, we are receiving an official report. when there's a report from an auditor, when there's a report from a committee that we have appointed
and they are making a specific report to us as well. Um, for this commission, whenever people get up to give public comment for many years, we've said who it was, what their address was, and a brief description of their comment.
So, whatever I suggested be put in the minutes, um, that was just a suggestion. I assumed that the clerk would go back and listen to the tape. Um, most of what I have done in the minutes
is not summarizing what someone said. If you will go through and look back at the special meeting March 21st, the minute should accurately describe what we were talking about. March 21st called to order. Didn't say what the
stated purpose of the special meeting was. Um amendment to the agenda. It said something about Doge. Didn't clarify what we were talking about. Doge. There's a federal Doge and there's a state doge. This was a
specific letter to all cities from Governor Dantis. There was nothing mentioned in the minutes about what doge we were talking about. The motion was um there was a motion um about the Doge
response. there was the motion was not um listed completely >> second >> right that's just one example and I will call your attention so in in general and
it took me several hours to go through here I have spent hours on these minutes I'm not summarizing what people said I'm clarifying what we were talking about for example um at one point during one of these minutes. Um, we approved a
letter uh in support of what ride solutions. Um, the summary in the minutes was not clear what that letter was to be about. So, I clarified it. Um, all of these are clarifications to make
sure except for maybe the report on the BRC to make sure that the minutes are correct and that when we go back in the past, we know what we are talking about. And I think in the future, we need to be sure whenever we are um voting on money
that it says what fund if the fund should come from because the finance department has to rely on that. Is that not correct? And the auditors, do they not look for that in the minutes? >> Do the auditors look at our minutes?
>> I guess that's my understanding that they um they have to have that. So, >> and that's fine. And and so that those are some things that are that are technical. Um but when you come into like this, I mean this one was
definitely a summary um Paul Weaver and it went into who they were long history and similar projects expressed optimism and then you come into here. >> I don't believe I wrote that. Well, somebody wrote this and it wasn't it wasn't our I believe this was something that was
submitted some time ago that came before us because it wasn't as it was originally submitted and then it has in here residents like Pat Maiden and professionals such as retired architect Michael Frank voice strong support. I don't know where that came from. So that wasn't >> I think that was from the clerk. It's
not >> it's not from the clerk. >> No, it was from me because you kept asking for more information. more information. More information. So I just kept putting more in. >> So you So these were yours and not I thought that was what my understanding
it was originally that it was submitted and it was given to you clerk was out. It was given to you and then you took those changes and you incorporated them into here. Yes. >> Did you add more than what was given to you?
>> When asked for more information I had to put in more information. Um, it wasn't specific, Paul. We not on all of them. Some of them were very specific, but on one I just was asked for more information. More information. >> Specific.
>> So, let's go in. So, now that we've got that all taken care of, thank you, Nancy. Um, if no, in the future. So, let's start with let's start with August 5th. Let's go through these um if we need to. Um, not August 5th. Let's start let's start with our February 25th,
2025. Um, and so, Commissioner Deto and Commissioner Lori, you made some changes there. You wanted Commissioner Lisa Kane to veto. >> Yes, please. >> Um, and it's in this one. It is
currently in in this one, >> right? >> So, it's already So, it's that's already been that's already that's already corrected. Um and then what else did you have in that? Um
>> Commissioner Devito. Okay. So my my only comment for the special meeting on 225 simply I said blue ribbon committee report says it was given does not proide provide a summary of the
substance or the recommendation. So I left that to the clerk to fill in as the clerk felt appropriate. Um, so I guess they did >> I'm looking at some research and planning. What you can note on that is
additional details can be found with at the like you like we've done before at city hall like if they need if they need if they need that report that report can be found you know at city hall. So you can put that in there rather than us put a
summary in there. Um but the reports are frequently this was a normal report. >> There wasn't a print. I don't think they gave a printed report. >> Not give a printed report. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I thought so. Um extend the blue
ribbon. So do you have anything else in there? That's the only thing that you that's the only change that you have for 225 is that you wanted um a summary of the substance of the recommendation. >> Well, I thought that would be helpful. So we need some verbiage in there. Is
there some verbiage that does she provide to it? Was that >> the blue room committee report acquisition and adaptive readings of historic Miller school? The committee provided updates on research and planning and you said the blue room in committee report says it was given
doesn't provide any summary of the substance or recommendation. So that's where I'm saying if that's the case that this report can be found at city hall. >> Is everyone okay with that? >> Okay. So can is there anything any other
changes to February 25th, 2025? >> I just have a question. So this says what we have in our packet. It says original, but is this with changes incorporated? Like for example, one that pops out of me is um my name, my full
name is in there. Did was that a change that was made? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So these requested Okay. >> All right. That's my name >> and I believe you requested that on all all indication with your name is that it
be >> right. like I should be willing to be a board which is in a lot of them. Okay. By the time we get to now it's in there. >> Okay. >> So, is everyone okay with this? And can
I have a motion on February 25th, 2025? >> I move to approve the minutes of February 25th, 2025 mayor. >> Okay. Do I have a second? >> I will second it. Okay, we have a motion and a second. All in favor, please. Do we have any other discussion? All in
favor, please say I. >> I. >> I. I. Those opposed? Nay. Okay, those minutes are approved. Let's move on to March 13, 2025. >> This is the one that there's no mover or second. Um, so we need to someone needs to add
that especially ordinances. We have to have moved to second. >> Yes. So, we need to go back through those and add. Okay. And also this approve the budget. >> Uh no, we did a budget amendment in this
one. Yes. Is that what you're talking about? >> No, it was the motion that I had made money. >> Okay. >> This one has the budget amendment 202425 budget amendment and motion by Commissioner Lori, seconded by
Commissioner Dvito. Is that the one you're talking about? No, I'm talking about March 21st. >> Okay. >> So, Commissioner Devito, you had these are your changes in there. Approval of the previous minutes doesn't say whether or not any minutes were approved, right? >> It's just blank. And approval of the
previous minutes, I believe, did we have minutes on that one? No, no, there was no minutes. So, that you can even take that off completely >> or you put on there no minutes. death presented, >> right?
That covers that. But so it is apparent to me um the the corrections and additions that I have don't appear to be incorporated because one of them was um the
proclamation for her Herman Urban. His name is still misspelled. >> These are the original that's >> okay. So these are original that are changed. >> The correct the changes have not been made. >> None of the changes have been made. >> No, they cannot be made. That's the
point. If they cannot be made back to original, >> we have to I know, but we have to look at the original >> and then and then any changes that we suggest or any really scribers area errors that we find that the clerk doesn't find, that's where we need to
change these here. >> Okay. Mayor, I know that, but Nancy just told me that the 225 version had had changes made to it. I mean, there were So, they were not. Okay. All right. So, we are taking it from the top.
>> Yes. Okay. >> That's what we asked them to to go back and to take them from the original minutes and not the minutes that have been changed. >> Okay. I saw this one then Herman Irving's name is defect um under the James Moore Associates
draft findings I think we have a Thursday summary that Mr. done that covered it very well. We need to put something in there just unless you unless you want to know that the the audit report is available at
city hall. >> I think the audit report is available at city hall. That that's the safest um that's the safest >> and the chair's office at least to say the report is available that's involved.
>> Okay, you guys. And so all of those we need to always have that make sure that um and those ordinances down here don't have any depends. >> Yes, they will be corrected. >> Okay. Okay.
>> And that's the only thing I can >> So that would be it. So it would be the report is available or the whatever the summary is available for viewing at city hall. That's standard verbiage that we probably need to That's right. Um,
>> okay. But Commissioner Dvita, you still had some changes that you wanted. >> Well, I did, for example, James Warren Associates the audit findings. I um, Commissioner Roy noted who made the report.
>> Yes, I right. I think that's important to have in there. Who made the report? >> Who made those changes? >> Okay. because that's gonna be our only record when we look back. Um, sure, but pardon
>> it's not our only record. >> We have we have the video and we have also the audio. So, continue. >> It's it's the best most accessible record. >> Um, and the easiest way for staff and commission to find something. >> So, sheriff's office, you said doesn't
specify which month a report was presented, right? >> So, it's always the month um prior. So if you want to >> I think just available >> just like the rest of them just standardize it. [Music]
You could actually mention that it was given by >> Captain. >> Okay. >> Right. And this um well I don't know this should be something that the clerk is capable of doing on the clerk's own
CRA items. Uh it was my observation that these the minutes for this month that would be the March regular meeting. It didn't indicate that the meeting was opened or closed that the CRA meetings are not shown separately. It's shown as just a part of the regular meeting.
>> Right. Yeah. And I think I'm glad we have the the time to adjourn it to the CRA but not the time of returning to the regular meeting and that just needs to >> Well, the CRA should be in a whole different set of minutes anyway.
>> I'm saying but this this completely doesn't show any separation whatsoever. >> So, we can do that take that out and and add that what happens. But the CRA items should be um as we get forward they should be in a whole in a whole separate
>> in the in the past that's what we were doing. So it would just show on this adjourned and then return to the meeting and you put the C as a separate just the same kind of header with everybody there. So because it is technically we were a
separate body at the time. >> Okay. >> And I know I'm looking at dancing and talking but I can't >> I got you. I'm listening. Okay. >> Okay. So, on second bullet, the legislative update. Let's see. N it's
been so long ago. Okay. The bill numbers seem to be right. They're somewhere, but they're not. Um, they weren't CRA elimination bills. >> They were CRA. >> There were bills that would clearly the
activities of community redevelopment agencies, but they weren't CRA elimination bills. So you should call that. So that was um proposed CRA. So Pat, what what verbiage do you want to um alteration or I said House Bill 991
and Senate Bill 1242 that would severely limit the activities of community revelment agencies. >> So limitation bills. >> Yeah. >> Modification bills. >> Modification.
Well, it's still that the point was they would severely limit CRA activities. That was the the key point >> proposed modification CRA modification bills. >> I I just I don't think it's necessary to be so vague. We can be very specific and
when you look back um I think it's important to know that they were would severely limit the activities of community refillment agencies. We spent time. So, if you want to put a So, yes, I I I'm I'm going to stress we need to limit
>> the verbiage we put in here. So, um if you if that's in fact all that 991 and 1240 did is that it severely limited the activities of community redevelopment agency. >> Yes. Then >> I think that's important. Um, we don't
need to go on and on and have paragraphs, but >> proposed CRA house bill proposed CRA House Bill 991, Senate Bill 1242, which severely limited >> Yeah. which would have
severely limited the activities of the CRA. >> And did we vote to oppose those bills? Was there a vote on that? No, we just discussed it. >> We just discussed we just discussed >> Okay. Do we have any other changes to
this before we um >> just emergency? >> Okay, we've already got that the public hearings. Um and I think right I think the charter calls for roll call. >> The charter does call for a roll call in
um all of our ordinances. >> Oh, roll. >> Yeah, roll call vote. you have to indicate who voted for what and I think um under public hearings it doesn't show that right. >> Okay. So we can do that. Okay. Do we
have anything else other than that? I want ready to entertain a motion on this. >> I move that we approve the March 13th commission and zero meetings with corrections and commissions. >> Okay. Does that include commission voice
collections giving names? >> Yes. Okay, >> we have a second. >> I'll second. Can we have a motion and a second? All in favor, please say I. >> I. I. Nay. Okay, let's move on to March 21st, 2025.
>> This is one number six is the general fund carryover balance of 1731 0. And I made a motion to approve the purchase of firewall. I made a motion for public financing and that for a
second and then I moved to allocate the rest of it to the miscellaneous line via ordinance and it was seconded and passed with opposing. We have not done that yet. So that is action that was voted on
by this commission and needs to happen. >> He did put it into the miscellaneous. >> We didn't pass ordinance. We have to do a bunch of >> Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay. I'm sorry. >> Okay. >> Which one is >> on the carry forward? Number six.
>> Number six. I'm going Can we go back to number three? >> Yes. >> It says that I made a motion. I don't think I did. [Music] >> Excuse me. Okay,
>> that was a this is we added that to the agenda and that's what the motion was that came in to add to the agenda. I seconded it and that was just because it was an emergency action that we had to respond to. >> Let's just verify that Commissioner Moore is actually the one that made that motion.
>> It didn't say motions on this one. And then >> so let's make sure that Commissioner Moore is actually the one that made that motion. Let's go to number six. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, this is the um amendment to agenda doge. >> Yeah,
>> it doesn't say what doge was and I put that information in um my proposed corrections and additions. >> So spell out those. We don't need to give a definition of it. Just spell out those.
>> It was a state. It was not it's not just that there's a a doge. It's we received a letter from Governor DeSantis asking for information from about our funds and whether they are in good standing and it required a
response by April 8th. >> Right. >> But it's not just when you put it that way it looks as if he sent it to us only. It needs to be that Governor Dantis >> I sent to all cities. It's right there. Describe a letter to all cities from
Governor Dantis. It's right. It's right in there. It's one, two. Okay. It's It's one cent that I provided that said what it was about. So it would be the governor's office of doge which is that's it I guess
basically ask for information from all cities about our funds and whether they are in good standing for the due date required of April 8 Um, >> yeah. I mean, we need to
>> So, Governor Dantis's office sent out a letter to all cities and counties. >> All local governments. That's a good
one. All local governments. asking for information >> financial condition. >> Yep. >> With a due date of April 8th. >> Yep.
>> But I think that >> because we approved the letter and we made sure that >> Okay. So, we've got that. Anything else? Well, if there was the firewall
purchase, that was item number six. >> Um, did it specify the source of funds? >> The carryover carry forward. >> Okay. Okay. Got a good answer. >> And I'm not
cost. >> So, you said in there via an ordinance. Um, I think because we I don't know. Do we have the exact amount for the firewall? >> The exact amount. So, we just need to put the exact amount. >> And so, then we come in here to you've
got the 25 to public works >> and that failed and well and that failed. And then we come down here to motion and um mostly landia an ordinance. And so, that's where we're that's where we're lacking. We've got to have that ordinance.
>> So, we have not done that. We've asked that. Is that on the August? It should be on the August 10th. >> It's not on the August 10th. It's set up for the September meeting and Brohart did put together that ordinance. >> Yeah, I know the ordinance has been put together. So, can we not bring it live
and we have a pretty solid agenda? >> I want to make sure we'll take care of it for September. We'll make sure it's advertised. Um, >> I don't know when the first reading on the second reading, you have to have the 10 days. I'm not sure. That's the first reading. >> It's the first reading. >> The first second reading. I know you
have to have 10 days on the second reading. >> Anyway, but then on the second meeting, I think you have to have 10 days. That's why we can't take up our budget >> the second reading. We have to have that 10day advertisement period. >> Okay. So, mayor, so where are we in the
ability to spend these funds if we haven't >> um we need to do the budget amendment? if we haven't passed the ordinance. >> That's why I keep saying >> don't look into that, please. >> I am.
>> Okay. >> We if we have if we have to do a special meeting, we got to get that. We have to get that done. >> It's on my notes about it. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, what else do we have on this one?
>> Okay. On I have something on number seven. >> Okay. >> Okay. It just the first bullet where it says necessary tree clearing after tree clearing of the gas line >> gas the it's the tree clearing of the gas line that we're talking about and
then I made the motion to manage and perform the tree clearing project. That's tree clearing on that first bullet off the gas line. Okay. Okay. Do we have anything else? Um, hold on.
I think we're This is the 21st, correct? >> Yes. March 21st. >> Okay. >> I move that we approve March 21st by minutes with the corrections. >> Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a second? >> Anybody else want to say?
>> I'll second. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. >> I. >> Oppos? Nay. Okay. So, approve with changes. So, let's go to the March 28th, 2025.
Um, can >> can we just incorporate all of Commissioner Royy's changes with respect to names >> because um there's my name, there's his name, there's I don't know who else's name
>> and those are the script those are the so yeah, if you could just with the changes with the name. >> Yes, ma'am. Um, this one too has George Forbes, Florida senior advisors and Jim Hansen, Florida senior advisors. And you just need to specify they are senior. They are from the FCCMA senior advisor
program. >> But wait a minute. No, it's Florida lead city senior advisor program, not FCCMA. >> Are they? Maybe they're >> okay. Well, we need to say that they're >> right. Um, >> yes. Got that.
>> What was it? The >> FCA. It's Florida City. >> You're right. >> Senior advisors. >> Um. >> Um, and I'm not sure um I put this in my
um corrections and additions just to make sure that Mr. Hansen's name is spelled correctly. I don't remember whether it's with an EN or an O N. Okay. What else do we have on this one for the March 28th
where it says or something to the senior program and that just needs to be changed there? >> I'm sorry. Where are you at? BJ >> um turn your page. It's right at the bottom. Does it say
that? Yeah, very bottom along with the representatives from the Florida senior advisors. So just put the from the Florida City County manager association senior advisor program. >> Okay. >> And we have a um
>> and Jim Hans's name is H. >> Okay. I had a feeling. So he needs >> Okay. So we'll change that. Is there anything else? And down here on all of these, keep in mind too that this
says approved June 2025 because it's make sure it takes the date before we sign. >> Okay. Okay. So, somewhere in here on the third page under interview questions,
um there's a bullet point that says standardized questions were selected by the commission for the interviews and I wrote somewhere under interview questions was from a list provided by
the senior advisors. And then um I also um suggested we add the following after that the senior adviserss ask the commission to keep the questions confidential as allowed by an exception to public records law to
assure a fair interview process. So standardized questions selected for the interviews from the list provided by the senior advisors and then there's a question there's another sentence that explains
um that we were asked to keep those confidential on their recommendation. That's all we have to put is you know based on the senior advisor's recommendations we were asked to keep the the questions confidential >> right but they've said as by an
exception to the public records law we have to have an exemption and they said that there is um that's under test and examination >> but I have a sentence that I think covers it >> okay do we have anything else on that if not I'm going to have to enter entertain
a >> um I have a question about item Number six, the work cruise. Did we vote on that? >> Yes, we did. >> Yes. >> Okay. Is the vote reflected? >> Um, it was >> or did we vote on that? No, we had to
vote. We had to vote at this meeting because the crew was >> No, it was at the April 10th. I think it was No, >> we approved it beforehand. >> We had to because it was for Catfish and But Catfish happened before April 10th.
>> So, So that was that was my question. Did did we vote on number six? >> I'll go back and rewatch YouTube. >> I thought we I know we gave permission. >> Yes.
>> I don't think there was either. Just >> so verify that. Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. So with that, can I have a motion, please? Um I move that we approve the March 28th special meeting minutes with the changes discussed.
>> Second. >> Okay. Motion in a second. All in favor please say I. >> Oppose. Nay. >> Okay. Let's move on to the March 28th >> is the same thing. >> It is the same thing. It's a duplicate.
So let's go on to let's go on to the April 8. It was just part of the copy and it got mixed in there. So, April 8th, let's go to the April 8th meeting if we can. >> Yeah. Okay. So, March 28th, that is that
should be completely eliminated. It It does not >> It's just a duplicate. Just a duplicate in your packet >> with the wrong date. >> No, just a duplicate. >> Okay. >> So, version of it.
>> Okay. I see. We had several meetings in March. >> Okay. Anyway, that's a regular meeting, right? >> Special meeting. >> Okay. So, um I think my first correction was to
delete the words notice of where it says special meeting. >> I think you guys using the advertisement to do the minutes. So, I just take that out. So no sound and the heading should come out >> and just a style um the little sign
>> right >> I think just we don't need that just put a comma time it just looks >> I I noted that also that was in my original just >> for the Zoom meeting. >> Yeah, that was a Zoom meeting.
>> Okay. And under purpose of the meeting, the sentence that says the purpose of the special meeting was to conduct Zoom interviews with and I um suggested that we insert between with and city manager um
the words the selected city manager applicants because we didn't interview them all. >> This one we had >> selected applicants for city manager. because we selected them last meeting, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> These were the ones that we selected to interview, >> right? So, I just said it it fixes it if you put after the word with the selected city manager applicants. I mean, that would fix it.
>> Okay. Next one. You said in here um delete the word to reconsider and insert to bring back for in person. >> Yes, because we're not reidering. >> So to consider actually just take off the read.
>> Okay. So just take re off then it's redundant >> because it says to consider all candidates except for further consideration. >> Um what was it? How do we >> consider all candidates um for further
interview? >> Well, we said okay, it was what I said is he moved to bring back for in-person interviews all candidates except Carolyn Marquee for further consideration. We we said we
would bring them back for in-person interviews. That was the action that we were taking at that time. >> Okay. Just make sure with this motion, this motion needs to be verbatim. >> So we need to look at how it was. So
whatever was said in that motion, please make sure that you've um that that's what it reflects. Okay. Do we have anything else on this? >> Commissioner was great with the zoom did a really good job. >> I think we should
save the day. >> I may approve the Wait, wait, wait. Hang on, hang on. Make sure public comments. >> Okay, here we go. Wait, could I I have one more correction. Um, for number
five, public comments. Um, I think we should just put none. That what's written in the brackets is very confusing. Says no comments were recorded or specified if there were any. I mean, there were none. >> None given. So, none given.
>> Okay. Okay, with that now I have a motion. Can I have a motion, please? >> We approve special meeting with corrections discussed. >> Okay. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. All in favor, please say I.
>> Discussion. >> Okay. Sorry, but did we >> Do you want some discussion? What else? I thought we just discussed those. What else do you need? >> We went to the motion in a second and I had a question on here and I don't know whether the court answered it. Did we take any vote or discuss at this meeting
how we were going to pay to get them >> to present city? We didn't do that. >> Okay. All right. But in that case, I don't have anything I can vote. >> Okay. All in favor, please say I. >> I oppose. Nay. Okay. So move. Let's go
on to the April 10th, 2025. Okay. Um, heading right at the top 100 minutes. Community redevelopment agency should be spelled out and heading. >> It's going off of previous spelling out the first indication of it.
It doesn't have to be in the heading, but when we're >> sure >> talking about it, it should at least be spelled out once and usually it's the first time it's mentioned. >> And if we're just noticing >> usually in the heading, it does just say CRA, but we do usually when we get down
to it says, >> okay, >> thank you. >> I mean, it is a >> Sorry, guys. We change the rules on you all the time, so I I apologize. We're used to that. No. I mean it is a very well known initialism but it everybody knows things.
>> Okay. Um this was regular meeting. >> Okay. >> Any of these reports they they you know that same verbiage that you know can be found
>> for viewing at city. [Music] Okay. So, mayor, at this meeting, you didn't have any announcements because usually it says the mayor made announcements about community events. It just says none listed.
And to me, it it's not necessary to say listed. I think it should just say none both from five and six. If there were none, it should say none. >> When she does make announcements, they don't need to be in there. >> No, it just means that mayor may
announce already changed that pretty much taken that out >> there still. >> Okay. >> All listed in there and we just decided that was way too much and see the same community development agency CRE right there
that should be taken out put on the page. So we should have a journ separate minutes right? Okay. What else do we have on here? >> Make sure that if you'll just make sure
that the um that the >> motions are verbatim. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Um there is one I think on one business items. I think Dan Dodge, he presented a request for the city to support the
historical marker at Hover House. The commission I think that was the whole presentation was he was asking for us to support that. It was that when we made no action, the commission made no action, took no action.
>> Right. And also um I have a description of that in here. Um, so Dan Dodge made the request on behalf of Fulo Peninsula Historic Society. It doesn't say that. It wasn't him
personally. Um, but wasn't this at this meeting? We didn't agree to pay for it, but isn't this the meeting where we voted to allow the marker to be put in the right way? >> No, that's not meeting. >> Okay. >> They brought it back again.
>> Okay. But in what meaning? because it doesn't read it before. Okay. Was there a motion? >> April 21st. Um I don't see it there.
>> Special meeting April 22nd. >> Well, we just put that in. So it had to have been um >> when was was it in May? >> May not. [Music]
>> Okay. May was the meeting where we had um public comments about um the um Make sure we get it in there somewhere. I got to get through >> the um immigration enforcement
testimony. [Music] Can the first check? >> Yeah, I don't see anymore. >> Can someone rewatch that? That was when we decided because we did make a motion, I believe, to have it allowed
>> in the right way and that we would um install it, >> right? >> Yeah. >> And that we would confirm location and may or may go out and do that. >> But I just I just searched one thing out
with it marker. I just I know we discussed it one time. Okay. So, thank you. Take care. [Music] >> So, now we're still back on um So, we're
still back here. So, we've got that for Dan Dodge. >> Um >> and what else do we have on this? [Music] Okay. For cyber security, wasn't um I had in here, wasn't there a discussion led by Commissioner Lori about training
alternatives and the cost and the new state law requirements for training, including for city commissioners? >> That was one of the things I brought up. Yes. >> Right. So, there should be a third bullet because Commissioner Roy um did
that. Right. >> He brought up training alternatives. >> He asked about training alternatives. >> No, he told us. >> I think you asked, but I do believe that you asked them also and they responded
>> for training alternatives. >> So [Music] the same standardized language for the CH [Music] Okay. Is there anything else? >> Oh, this the one about the revising
ordinance 1256 the public facilities element. It says no taken first reading only and that's not correct. >> Right. >> We had we we voted on every reading. Um so we need to check the tape on that too. Please
>> which one was it? I'm sorry. >> It's number 13. >> Number 13. >> Yeah. And it says under no vote taken first reading only. But that that is incorrect. There was a vote taken and because of first and second reading there should always be taken. >> Correct.
>> So if we can clear that up [Music] and just an indication that when it gets into the ordinances again that it was a roll call. It was a roll call. >> I think that's it. Is there anything else?
>> Yeah. On um Okay. Under business items number two, the fireworks contract um says my this can't be verbatim because my motion was to authorize the interim
city manager to sign a fireworks contract only after all pledged funds were received. There was not funding availability. There was pledged funds were received in full. >> Okay.
>> That was my motion. >> Okay. Can I have a a motion, please? >> Okay. I'm not sure why we I had changes here. Apparently, um the changes have not been reviewed. Hold on. Hold on. Workshop to the
commissioner reports. Well, they're right here. There's not any other changes. The changes would not be in here. They would be in this book. >> Okay. One. Okay. Under these minutes don't have page numbers. Um, number
five, urban tree grant. >> They have numbered. They are numbered. >> The items are numbered, >> right? I know the items are numbered. And I'm saying under business items, which is 14. And then under that urban tree grant uh public outreach meeting in
the first bullet it's Crescent City woman's club with an A not an E and I'm just trying to find out historic marker um okay house are we right but are we going to clarify that he's presenting on
behalf of the fruits >> it is women's with an e >> no I have a letter right here from the women's. >> Oh, no. That's the women's civic. >> That's the That's the women's civic. They're two different ones.
>> Sorry, Nancy. >> I'm sorry. I'm a member. I've been a member. >> Okay. Okay. Let's move on. We got >> So, no, it's woman's for um programs. >> Okay.
agenda. [Music] >> Okay. Something about commission reports. Is there some place in here? Commissioner Lori, do you see where you gave a report about >> the It's what number?
>> 17. >> He gave an update on his legal case. Okay. And then you discussed your ICMA council orientation program and provided information on the historic preservation grant opportunity. >> Right. But um the legal case um to me
that needs a little bit more. It's the lawsuit by former commissioner Bailey. Correct. Yes. >> And um Jason just needs to say on legal case Bailey versus >> Bailey versus Dantis and
>> yes. And then Jason Tyler um law group that's commissioner Lor's council >> and you don't even have to have that. You just gave update on legal case Bailey versus Dantis >> and more
>> and more and yeah. Okay. Can I get a motion, please? >> I move that we approve the April 10th commission regular meeting and CRA meeting. >> Okay. Do we have a second >> with the
second? >> We have a motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. I oppose. Nay. >> Nay. And why did you do a name? >> Because I know, but I just did. We skip. Is there something that we missed?
>> I mean, these were your pretty much took most of your corrections. >> Yeah. Um, I just think we're kind of rushing through them, so I chose to vote nap. >> Okay, that's fine. April 21st, 2025. This is the special meeting, city commission.
Um, and I don't see do you have correction? Here we go. >> What was the purpose of the special meeting? [Music] >> Basically decide which questions we ask.
>> Yeah. Okay. Go there. All right. Okay. Item number five. Bullet points. You said between you and Commissioner Burton regarding the contract negotiations, which would have been your
fifth bullet down, >> right? Um those were a key part of the meeting. Um, I don't have a summary of what they were, but it was important. Um, oh, well, there we go.
>> So, you don't have a summary on that? Um, >> nope. I didn't, but it was important. This >> Would you like us to provide one? >> Well, I don't at this point. I don't even Which stage of the negotiations were we in at this point? >> This was before we were interviewing the
people in person. Yeah. And we wanted to make sure we didn't do a greeting flowers and that we all knew what number questions we were going to ask >> what we were going to >> and who was going to do the contract
negotiations. I think that was it. So I believe negotiations commission. >> Y >> I think this this is important. Commissioners Burton and Devito. I think
we were concerned about um the offer being clear. We had said we would ask whether they accepted the salary uh range. must reach >> but we hadn't even at that point we
hadn't even offered we had even had the final interviews at that point I think it was who would be doing the who would be doing the negotiations and how >> we were just rehashing it second time around >> right and the the key point was that they would accept the salary and the
benefits because that was the sticking point with the last one that was that was a loophole >> and we wanted to make sure that they would accept both the salary and the benefit package. >> And I think that this specifies this enough. I don't think we need to go into
any further. >> It was discussed. We made decisions. That was only a discussion item. We did not take any action. So the interview questions were assigned >> and there was no public comment. So I move that we approve the April 21st special meeting minutes with did we make
changes? She wanted to she wanted to add selection of interview questions. Um and it was interview questions assigned. >> Um >> so I don't know that selection of interview questions. >> That's fine.
>> Okay. Okay. Well, I have one more change. I don't think I just don't think it's a good idea to put no public comments recorded. If none were made, I think we should just put none. >> That's I agree. >> Okay. We have a motion to We have a motion to
approve. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor, please say I. >> I. Those opposed? Nay. Okay. So, approved. April 22nd, 2025. This is the special meeting. Um,
and this is when we were doing the actual interviews. This was the special meeting and public reception. Um and in this case I did write a description of what happened.
>> Oh >> yeah reception was sitting man at 4 commission at the top of reception and special meeting >> and because it looks weird that it was supposed to be at 4 at 5
>> and then there's a public reception. We can move that pre meeting reception up to the top. um before number one and that makes then there's a logical flow um cuz that would be confusing >> hour long yeah hourong reception with
the meeting to begin at >> then >> the official official yeah >> but then I don't think we need I mean this description is fine for the public reception >> well I mean how how can you do a summary
of a reception when everyone was talking to everybody else. >> Yeah. Well, it was very simple and we we did this in prior minutes. I said the mayor opened the reception with welcoming remarks, invited each applicant to give a threeminut self introduction. During the remaining time, there were informal conversations with
the applicants [Music] >> I think for public reception with city manager. I think that's kind of >> describing worked and I really don't know if we need all this information for each interviewee. I think this is a
little bit over. >> I think it's very >> well. We're trying to give you everything you need. >> It's fine. >> They did it. It's here. >> It's helpful. Um if you want to know
what the differences were, you can see it. >> Okay. So then let's go to six on this city manager appointment and motions. >> Um you have one here. Is appointment the right word? >> Yeah.
>> He's an appointed official. >> Should these motions be spelled out, summarized? The word of the motion can be important. Um the motion should be um >> well because I need motion to offer position. Yeah.
>> And then later on the contract >> and the motion should be the motion should be verbatim and it does state that that you need to ask specific as far as the how the motion was written and not a summary but how it was actually how it
was actually stated. So I think the last one there, the motion to authorize contract negotiations that might actually have those terms in it. I believe I said that all in the motion and that's what really should be up at the top in that motion part of that.
It makes sense to summarize like that, but that's not how >> well and sometimes if you summarize that you leave out something that's important that I mean whatever it is we move that's what you're supposed to write and
that's that's a very important answer. I >> mean it's like it's like an ordinance. You don't summarize the ordinance. That's that's what we authorize. I don't. >> So, number seven. Um, >> yeah, I was confused about this, too. >> Okay. Um, the first bullet I don't think
can possibly be correct. Commission confirmed that final approval lies with city manager. Um, >> so I did double check this one >> and I had to listen to it about 20 times
>> to make heads or tails of it. So BJ had said something on the meeting. This contradicts what was originally said. When you read the charter, the
charter says what BJ had said. >> Commissioner. >> Yeah. Well, yes, but I'm just saying here Commissioner Lori was correct in what he had said, not this. >> Okay. Okay. Are the bulleted points do
you feel that those are correct? Because is is what is written in here in minutes the two bullet points correct? >> Yeah. >> Is that what we said? >> Yes. That was >> we said that. >> Yes. Yeah. Because Commissioner Lori had said it. Um I know you didn't agree with
it. So I did look it up. The charter does state that it lies with >> the city manager. >> City manager. No. >> And as a courtesy, they don't usually bring that to us, but
>> it's not a courtesy. The charter says that we the commission approves the department heads hiring. >> No, it does. >> No, ma'am. Charter says it's it lies with the city manager. Look at the charter. We did
>> pull the charter up. Because when I was doing the minutes, I heard how Commissioner Lori had stated it and then I read what you had wrote and I'm like, "Well, which one's right?" Cuz I don't know. So, I Googled our charter.
>> I don't know why my internet is not working. because he's considered a the fire chief is considered a department head >> just like public works or any other >> city department. >> Yes. >> With the I believe it's the consent or
with our approval but >> yeah he has to bring it to you. I'm sorry. There we go. [Music] [Music] Are we going to race? >> What?
[Music] Department head shall be appointed or removed by the city manager subject to approval by the city commission. Removal of department head shall be for just cause and only department head has been provided with both notice and opportunity to be heard with respect to regards for removal. So department shall
be appointed or removed by the city manager subject to the approval by city commission. >> Okay. So this says this somehow this says that we decided the city manager would have a final decision authority but yet we voted to approve the fire
chief. So why would you say >> pardon? >> Did we vote? >> Yes, we did. >> Is that >> I don't know. Is this the meeting where we >> I don't remember off the top of my head. I did these minutes months ago.
It doesn't look like we took a vote, but it looks like there was some discussion [Music] >> the hiring on that process. >> Okay. >> And the second bullet is doesn't make any sense. >> Right. >> Right. I imagine
>> just take that out and just if we did vote on it then please >> and I think that's where they were coming in for clarification. I don't think at that time they had the actual fire chief. They did not have that. They had they had not made the decision. They just wanted to know.
>> Okay. Do we have any other changes um on this? >> Okay. What minutes are these? >> We are on the um >> Okay. So, this was a special meeting, right? Right. And this
>> Okay. I'm I'm just I'm not comfortable with language that seems to eliminate the role of this was I don't know. This just doesn't say it correctly. So that's >> I can verbatim the charter in there if you would like. No. Does commission
confirm that final appro? >> We BJ Commissioner Lori already asked to take the second bullet out. So we eliminated the second. >> The first bullet really does say should be that the final approval lies with the commission. Um because we do it says
with the approval of the commission. So I would get ready the first rule as >> huh? Yeah to say um the discussion revolve or this discussion that final
approval aligns with the commission per the city chart. >> Okay. >> But then but the hiring and process is done by the city manager. Well, I think the whole purpose of this little discussion here at the end of the
special meeting was was it Christina or Mr. Ror? >> They needed clarification. >> Yeah, they weren't sure how. >> So, they wanted clarification. So, please go back and listen to it and see what clarification was. >> But that second >> and state as given. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> So, even if the even if we misqued the charter, it needs to be stated as given. Okay. Okay. >> And with that, I move that we approve the April 22nd special meeting
minutes with the changes we have discussed. >> Okay. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay. Somehow. All right. Hang on. Okay. No. Um there's a mistake. See under other
items, legislative update. Just trying to find. Okay. Um, House Bill 1221. There's no hyphen in there. Okay. So, take out the hyphen, please.
Which eliminates the TD. It should be the tourist development tax >> and would be the TDC. >> Eliminated the TDC. >> Yeah. >> Not funds. Well, okay. >> This is
okay. These are not the same minutes that I got or maybe there are. I don't know. Maybe I had an error. >> Separate set. >> So, the house bill part I couldn't hear, >> right? It's just it's 1221. There's no dash. >> I can guarantee you that there's no dashes in bill number
>> and all you have to spit on there legislative update, House Bill 1221. um which refers to um our the tourist development tax. >> It would eliminate option tourist development tax, it would not eliminate.
>> But we do need to go into detail on that. If somebody wants to know what 1221 is because like she said, she's having difficulty hearing it. So when she has difficulty hearing it, we can't just put words in there that we think we said. >> Okay. But what the topic was the tourist
development. So give the title give the title of the just give the title of 1221 give the title to it >> but I don't think we need those words would be used against county residents tax bill >> we just said we're taking all that out >> okay
>> with the subject of it and that monitoring is advised that is what we discussed >> yeah that monitoring advice that sounds like >> that describes it okay that's it so can I have a motion please do >> you already make a motion okay do I have a Second.
>> I'll second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. >> I. Oppose. Nay. Okay. So, approve. Let's move on to May 8th, 2025. Um, okay. Again, please spell out the CRA.
Um under announcements we don't need it half half bill. >> Oh yeah. >> Okay. And where it says Commissioner Roy spoke about this place matters signs. He spoke about the activities of historic
preservation month. I thought we agreed that we would take pretty much most of all the announcements out just announcements. >> They are. >> Well, I think it was important that Chief Highell suspended all burn permits within the city limits. It's not the
part we're not specifying is you announced upcoming events. >> Um, Commissioner Roy um he did he spoke about historic preservation month. >> Okay. So, let's put that historic preservation month. It's not just that this place has
>> John's name spelled an H, >> right? I have that >> competition. Um, number seven, it's even Lion Park. And then we go to the >> Oh, I see. >> Yeah.
And under the sheriff's office report. [Music] >> Yeah, that leads in and thank y'all so much. Oh my gosh, the work you had to put into that. But that does lead us into um you know um and that's that's on us.
That's on us. But thank y'all for adhering to that and doing it. Um mayor up on number seven presentations um celebration of life for James Sash. I believe on that item, didn't the city
attorney ask whether we had a policy on fee waivers and tell us that if we didn't have one, we needed one because it could cause problems and I think it gives a recommendation we should include it.
>> If that's the case, then just >> and it wasn't an action that we took. Well, it's not action, but it's an important recommendation from them, and I don't think it should disappear. >> Right. Well, somebody can run over me by
bus tomorrow. And that's the kind of thing. He made a recommendation. It was his recommendation. >> He didn't recommend bus. >> No, he made a recommendation that we have policy on fee wavers. And we don't have a policy on fee waver.
We all know that. Fair enough. Well, I disagree. That is the kind of thing that should be in the ordinance. >> Okay, let's let's finish that. Don Holmes stated we need to make sure that we have an ordinance in place or whatever >> a policy policy stated
>> in the future. >> Stay out of the way of all buses. Commissioner, >> um, >> okay, I move that we >> No, we're finishing. We're finishing We're finishing. >> We're finishing. >> We are almost here and
>> that way we can start fresh. So I would request that if we are going to meet that we do it with appropriate decorum and we not descend into making personal comments like it's not a competition. Um nobody said that. Nobody said it's a
competition. >> Commissioner just made a personal comment. >> Okay. Come on. Let's let's continue. Let's just >> This is completely inappropriate and we should not be apologize. It has been a long day.
>> Yes. And we should not be here. So, we're going to finish this up. Let's continue. So, where are we? We've we all agreed that we would put a statement in there, a very short statement about Don Holmes and what he said. So, let's move on from
there. Number eight, we're correcting John Newold. We have his We've corrected his name. Where else are we? Okay. And then we go into the verbatim. We went past that. We're going over into
the community redevelopment. And again, we adjourn the meeting. Wait, wait, wait. Under Where is it? >> Okay. No items for hearing on the public agenda. Where is Community Redevelopment Agency? It's under number nine at the
end of the verbatim. Okay. At the end of the verbatim. Hold on. There's an issue there. Okay. Under number nine, it says Tim Jefferson, executive director of Florida Main Street. He's executive director of Crescent City
Downtown Partnership. >> Okay. Um public hearing. Just none is fine. Not none noted. Just none. Then we go to our business items. Red, white, and blue. Right. Does not say who made the request. Wasn't it a permit
request by the downtown partnership? >> It was a downtown partnership. And it was a permit request, right? >> The Crescent City downtown partnership, >> right? because it's the permit that has what street in.
And okay, that was the street market. Then we went into um our city manager contract. There was a presented by Dylan Holmes includes a 2000 patient site. Um so the actual motion so we just need the
actual motion as it was stated. Okay. Welcome signs. Motion to table to June. Commissioner Deto second commissioner Moore unanimous approval. So what you have in there >> motion was the table was made at the request of the interim city manager. I
don't know that we need to include that. I think that just unanimous that we there was a motion to table. >> Um >> Okay. Where is Ride Solutions? >> It's under number five. Number five. >> Okay. That was where letter of support.
Ride solutions. It was um and this is important because it turns out it was approved >> letter of support, >> right, >> for legislative funding requested by Boyd Thompson, >> right? So he is executive director,
right? provide solutions and it was for a letter of support for a legislative appropriation. Okay. Appropriations. A letter of support for legislative appropriation was made by Boyd Thompson, executive director. Yep. A right
solution. Okay. Um right John Newol's name again after number six. Uh, is that in number six? So, we do need a second. >> I made the motion. >> Whoever made the second in number on
number six. >> Okay. So with that um and under number under the city attorney report there's some duplicate information in here. It looks like um
it looks like the under commission discussion there's a motion commission contact to investigator that there's a paragraph that's repeated twice. >> Um it said there's the same motion
>> just take out the second one. >> Right. There's a repeat there. And then um >> and you might want to add under where she refused herself that she has to file form AB with defer. >> Yes.
>> Well, actually I just have an observation there. I don't think we're always following the procedure that's described in form 8. I think we're supposed to the person who's recusing themsself is supposed to be given an
opportunity to do so before the vote. before the discussion. >> Yes, before well certainly before the vote but before the discussion before the vote for sure. And then as well the form says that the form eights that are
filed are supposed to be um included with the minutes of the following meeting. >> Right. >> We've never done that. >> You just need to attach it to the minutes for this meeting. Right. >> Right. But there's I've recused myself and Commissioner Ory has recused himself.
>> Okay. So, in the future, let's make sure that we attach those. >> Well, that's what form makes sense. >> Take a look at the form and maybe check with >> Holmes. Okay. >> I'll attach those. >> Do we have And then additional reports and comment. None recorded. Just put none.
>> Um I don't even know if you need additional reports and comments in there. So, anything else on that? No, I don't have anything. Okay, take a motion. Motion to approve. >> Okay, I move that we approve the minutes
of what was the date? or Mayor >> of May 8th with all the corrections noted. >> Okay. Do I have a second? >> Motion and a second. All in favor, please say I.
>> I oppose. Name. Okay. I said I still approve. I think you can hear me. >> Okay. Let's move on to May 19th, 2025. the strategic plan. I think I need a bunch of calendars that
>> the title of it >> where the topic we did not discuss strategic planning items needs to be taken out. We discussed the budget got a specific timeline there did not
>> we did not discuss any strategic items. discussed schedule. >> Okay, we have >> um this is just sorry this is just not very clear. Is this the meeting where we
listed who was in the audience? >> Yeah, we don't need that. >> We don't that should come out. We don't list who's in the audience. We list speakers. And by the way, I think I don't know. I think I missed it somewhere. We may have
misspelled the architect Rodriguez's name, but maybe that's in June. >> Um, there's Rodriguez with Z and >> there's no Rodriguez, the architect's name, Richard Gonzalez. >> Gonzalez. Sorry, we may have misspelled his name, right? It's maybe in there
with a S, not a Z. I don't know. Well, this John Rodriguez is Portuguese and it's spelled with S. >> No, I know. It not made me think of it. We're looking at >> he's not in here though. That's not He's not in this one. Correct. >> Right. Right. It just made me think somewhere in 13 sets a minutes. We may
have misspelled his name. Okay. So there was um I don't know I don't think the summary utilities um commissioner Lori made an important point about providing water and sewer
outside the city limits that we couldn't make a commitment without understanding the cost. I don't see that because this just talks about an engineering assessment. Um but >> Oh,
>> okay. Commissioner Lori specifically raised the issue of um I think the >> obligating >> right obligating us I think there was we don't have any idea what I mean we could just change our next last bullet
point so commissioners um or just add to that but commissioner Lori was the one that brought up that that I was not comfortable that we were not comfortable. >> But I think he wanted us to adopt a
resolution that had us making a commitment to provide the water and sewer and commissioner Lori brought up that we could not make that commitment and that was without the proper studies without the proper
>> Okay. So we'll change that. We have the actual Um, >> look at the verbage. >> Okay. >> You never came back to us to do anything. You said that placing the project on the June agenda and we never
approved anything. >> We never did approve anything. >> They seem to be very quickly. >> Well, he's not here. So, um, under, um, the golf cart ordinance,
uh, I don't I doubt the first bullet point is reported as accurate. It said, Commissioner Roy suggested lining the ordinance with straight state regulations allowing drivers license drivers under 18. Um, the legislature
raised the age there. There's another set of minutes that incorporated this correctly to align with the legislative changes that raise the age for a teen to operate a golf cart. We need to raise the age in our ordinance to conform with
state law. >> Did they I think they raised it to 18 in order to operate a golf driver's license. >> I think as if you don't have >> you can drive a golf cart which is what the state says. But what is it? The state says >> our ordinance said that you have to be
18. The state says that if you have a driver's license and you're 16, you can drive a golf cart, which 16 and 17, if you have a driver's license, you should be able to drive a golf cart. >> Okay. There were changes in the state regulations and the object is to align
our ordinance with the state regulations, >> right? And I also think we need but I don't think we need allowing driver licensed drivers under 18. I think our ordinance says something different. >> Okay. I think what we're going back and forth with these and we're saying this
is what we think it should have been. It needs to be if you would please and just however he stated that please state it as such. >> Yes ma'am. >> And just as an aside we haven't done anything more of that
>> right. Um, and it says down here, action items, update age limit requirements to match state law, >> determine designated crossing areas, install appropriate signage. >> I believe Christina was supposed to be meeting the DOT and more information for us.
[Music] >> And I believe I also raised concerns about not just crossing Highway 17, but crossing 308. No. And that again that if that was actually stated >> I had a memo
308. >> I mean I wrote it. >> Moving on. Number four those future plan items from that name in the budget calendar. >> And that's what it was. It was a budget
calendar. >> Where is that number four? Yeah. [Music] >> If the necessary said oh >> okay >> so I move that we approve the Monday May 19th I'm sorry the
commission work minutes from May 19th for the three workshops that we have. Okay, we have a second >> with the discussed. >> Yes, >> second >> motion and a second. All in favor,
please say I. >> I post nay. Okay, so approved. Let's move on to May 27th. Um, okay. Oh, just as a a note, I had talked to Mr. Holmes after this and he assured
me that I can go by Zoom. >> Okay. >> So, just >> I think that's what we needed is clarification >> and we just didn't get a chance to beforehand, but he was yes. >> So, just so we know in the future to do that again.
>> Okay. Um >> resolution Okay. Did we have some concerns? >> We're trying to figure out who resourc [Music] >> They don't even all sign in.
>> Okay. Um it was a young woman and I believe she also asked us to hold another meeting um after work hours. Um but I don't it says Elant Spicer supported keeping when Dixie I think she said the opposite. >> She was doing both.
[Music] >> Well she also spoke in favor of Aldi. >> Well, right. I think it's that she supported keeping Wind Dixie and and favor of Aldi. >> She was more in favor of Wind Dixie
staying than Aldi, >> but she kept flip-flopping and >> and the woman property the name of the property I told before that is Jora Bogen, >> but we don't know that she's the person who came.
>> We couldn't hear her on either. Mhm. >> It was Dora. >> It was Dora. >> G E N O R A >> G E N O R A. >> Don't get O G A
G A. >> Thank you. Yeah. >> That's her name. >> I'm sorry. >> Brley. >> Okay. >> E L E Y. >> Yes.
>> Okay. We have anything else on this? Um, she moved down here that Paul Beaver, please check the tape this morning. [Music] >> Update the National Registry for
>> There's no such thing as a national registry. It was >> National. It was to update our National Register of Historic District with the US Department of the Interior. >> That was what the application was for.
>> Okay. So, just make that note. Okay. Anything else? Uh, did we approve that grant? >> It also says update it. So, update the National Register District. Um but the four middle school partners you crossed out
>> right that does not entire district >> right >> it wasn't about [Music] contract >> okay the fireworks contract the will be in June 7.
>> Okay. When the on the fireworks contract, I think Christina Marie was asking right for to go ahead with the contract even though the funds had not been received for expinity. And I'm pretty sure that I voted against that
because I'm the one who moved previously. She had to ask this permission because in a previous meeting we voted >> I recall that you're correct. >> Okay. We voted that we would not authorize her to sign the contract until
all funds were received. >> So see the commissioner actually did not favor of this. >> I I voted nay. >> Okay. >> I know I did. >> Okay. Public comments. Everything good? >> Yes.
>> All good. Um, >> okay. I think that was the last on yours. Commissioner's veto was back, >> right? And again, we're making all the name changes like that approve the May 27th special meeting minutes with the
changes that we discussed. >> Okay, second. I'll second it. Okay, we have a proper motion second. All in favor, please say I. >> I nay. Okay, June 11. Now, this is where
our new software has kicked in and clerk. Um, are we in favor of this new software? >> Mayor, we're uh Nancy has actually used it a little more on >> We're working out the kinks. It doesn't pick up everything. People are still
dotting those eyes and crossing tect the proposals that we've done for the software and for the upgraded equipment. It's true. All we've done is upgraded that people can't hear us better. People can't see us better. Um the owl is
really not a wonderful, you know, permanent option. and it worked great for co and you guys need to have microphones that I do or we need to have better microphones and better speakers. Um, we still have money that we appropriated for city hall upgrades. Can we please not, you know, can we
please invest in some better technology? Um, because this is we're just bandating and putting different things together. I mean, you got I love that that's working great and that's wonderful. But like the original system that was suggested to us
and delivered to us would have had everything going straight to the computer that all the microphones and so that everyone could hear us on YouTube and all that stuff. Yeah. Get a Macintosh or another computer. But there's got to be we need to upgrade the system. We're
This is 2025 and we're talking about 1990. I I have requested quotes for those items. I'm still waiting for them to just Okay. Mayor, I don't have my phone with me. My husband is home. We are expecting
a contractor to give us an estimate that involves going up into the attic and down into the basement. And my husband needs me to put the caps up. So, I've either got >> I've got either got to call my husband and make sure that they're not there yet
and that he will wait for me. Does someone have a cell phone? >> Because if I can't reach him, >> I don't have number. Okay. You want me to give it to you? >> I don't want to kill BJ. Mary, you want a doll for me? Yeah. Give me give me the
12. Give me the number. >> Okay. It's 8.3. >> Can we take a brief recess by then? >> Yeah, we'll do that. Go ahead. My start is right. It's right there. It's black. You're not my crotch,
everyone. Thank you. >> All right. >> Okay. You ready? >> This meeting is back in session. We're on the June 11th, 2025 um minutes. >> Yep.
>> Okay. Um Mayor, this one I This one is just not right. Um and I don't know where my corrections are, but I remember what I said. Um it does not mention it said we acknowledge the purpose of the workshop, blah blah blah. It doesn't
mention that we had Katie Hall from FGU. >> Isn't her name Paul Hall? >> So number four Hall >> and and she's in here as Katie under FGU staff. So it just needs we just need up here to to state that that Katie was
here to give a presentation. >> Mayor, that is very disrespectful. She is what is her position? Would that be Commissioner Devito? Yeah. >> How am I being for you to state that I'm being >> disrespectful, not you minutes,
>> but I just said I know, but in here I said that all we would state in here is please make sure to state that Katie was here from Florida Gas Utility and her title. >> Okay. But I think that wasn't being disrespectful. >> She's the CEO. >> I think it is disrespectful to just call
her Katie and not provide her title. >> Her last name, but that's >> Katie Hall. >> Yeah. CEO of FG. >> Okay. Is that what we're going to say? >> Yes. >> Okay. Well, the mayor didn't exactly say that. >> She did say that.
>> I was in the middle of saying that and you told me I was being disrespectful. >> Not you, the minutes. So, let's go on. And the minutes were not intended to be disrespectful in any way. >> I know they're not intended to be, but >> our minutes should be >> Can we change gas so it's not
capitalized? I don't know. makes it seem like it's a initialism meaning some >> for the gas utility >> like an acronym. >> Yeah, >> absolutely. >> Um it does not mention that David Frank was present.
>> So we just need to have one here and again we're working out the king. >> We need to >> who was present. Let's put it >> who was present because this is essentially this workshop is David Frank's show and I believe that he
actually introduced Miss Hall. Um, and there's there's something missing from here because she basically gave us three options for going forward with our um
with our gas department. She gave us three options and those really aren't concluded weren't included. >> But we can also put on here that her copy of her presentation is available at city. >> Yeah. >> Did she give us a copy? >> Yeah.
>> Attached to the agenda packet. >> Yeah. Um >> Okay. So, we're putting in her name and title. We're adding who was present. Okay. And I don't think it's very discussed enough.
>> Um, again, this was the second time we were playing with the new system. >> I'm I'm not finding fault or whatever. I'm just saying it doesn't seem to be a good
doesn't it doesn't seem to be a good summary of what the presentation was actually about. But here it is. So, I don't have my changes. Um, that was my main one to put who was on there and the complete name. And I do think it
would be helpful to say that her presentation is available at city hall. What was she here for? >> Okay. >> So, I move that we approve >> Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. the June 11th city commission workshop minutes
with the corrections that we mentioned. >> Okay. Do I have a second? >> I second. >> A motion and a second. All in favor? I
>> please say I >> I >> I those um opposed please say nay. No, everybody. Okay, so I'll
>> eyes have it. Okay, let's move on to the June 12th. And I think I believe this is our last one. Correct. >> And this of course needs to be split into two. Although I am glad to see one agency right now. >> That's helpful.
>> And our names need to be fixed. My name is stated correctly. Commissioner is not stated the way he likes to be listed. >> Um, under pledge of allegiance. >> I don't know if we need to say that was recited by all. >> Right. I don't think we should say
recited by all because it's a first amendment issue. We don't keep track. >> Okay. >> Not everyone has to. They wish not to. >> Right. So that that gives the wrong idea. Just the pledge of allegiance. >> And in the future, I think you should
just cut out the um announcements. >> Yeah. Just >> that announcements were made >> that they'll probably get all kinds of crazy stuff that we say. >> Okay. >> No, our mics are not on our mics. >> I don't think they're on. >> They're on.
>> They're on now. >> Yes, they are. >> Okay. So, when you come into the next one, approval of minutes, there was a motion to table approval. is who did the motion in a second. >> Again, comes down to that. And then you've got John Nold.
>> Um, I think it's 466 old. [Music] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. [Music] >> Anyway, it's old stuff. >> Okay. Um in presentations we did the um
proclamation. >> Okay. Um mayor actually if you go back to page one under those present um it does not list the clerk and the assistant to the clerk. >> That happens frequently. They don't
call. They're not missed because they do the roll call and anymore. >> Okay. But if they're here and we're listening everybody else. >> Okay. >> But I think they're both here. >> No.
>> No. Okay. Well, whoever was here. >> Just me. >> Is that how you spell razor? >> R A I S O R. >> Okay. >> It is pronounced like the razor but They thought I was
>> And then you wanted to put in there um proclamation honoring the >> um Oh, wait a minute. Um under introduction of new fire chief. Wasn't there a shield preser presentation ceremony
>> by Chief Hel? >> Didn't Chief Hel present him with a sh I think we should note that recall just whether or not he was or not. >> I don't think it was official. I don't know if it was official, but just check that and see if there was a special if
there was a special in there. >> You also said that you wanted to make um for um Jenny in honor of the late, >> right? and >> honoring the late >> not honoring but in honor of the late
right to make it clear that this is basically a memorial and then the first bullet read a proclamation recognizing delete Jenny Gaffne's and put the civic contributions of the late Jenny Gaffne
in your >> are you just concerned >> well the civic would go >> I think it just be read a proclamation recognizing Jenny, the late Jenny Gaffne. >> That's right. >> Okay. >> Because remember, we're trying to do
this so that with this system know that. >> So, we're trying to get ourselves acclimated to to working within those parameters. So, um number four on the diamond wireless um okay with that. What else do we have?
reduction um >> not sure either AJ left out. >> Yes. And that's the first time that I realized that it missed stuff and I noticed the last meeting minutes I just did for July's meeting, it it missed a
section as well that I had to go back in. >> So I think you're just stay, you know, because I noticed that when I was reviewing these and I was like, "Wait, where's this making a motion?" And that we >> now that we're aware of it, we know to look for that to make sure everything is
catch Well, I don't know. I don't took it out of order. So, that was one thing that was confusing. I couldn't remember where we moved it to. Um I think we moved it up because the guy couldn't see at night and so but anyways >> yes >> okay and where is it you're talking
about the issue that we moved up >> the code enforcement >> what number is it number it's above it's above the RG >> and this sheriff's office report was not given by Captain >> it
by Lieutenant P. Okay. >> Yes, >> that's the E P A U W I believe. >> I don't know why. >> Okay. >> Why would the software say Captain Es's
name if he wasn't here? >> Because it's a template. It hears. It's learning your names. I'm pretty sure Captain was at the July one, but he's not at the June >> and he was listed if he's listed on the
agenda before you put it in. It automatically just assumes that's who it is. >> Do not need to change. >> It creates like a small template for you agenda >> and the officer present was actually here at the beginning and
>> no. Okay. So, we need to fix that list as president. Thank you. No problem. >> Um, okay. So then this one did close out the commission meeting. Um, close the regular commission and open the CRA and reopen the regular commission meeting.
>> Is that sufficient? >> Okay. >> Okay. Mayor, up at number five, reg school building presentation. >> Architects, >> right? RG architects and nowhere in there
>> does say Miller Middle School property >> South Prospect Street does not say that for historic school buildings. So instead of historic school building but for Miller Middle School. >> Okay.
>> Okay. And the downtown partnership, uh, it doesn't say the presentation and request was by Tim Jefferson, executive director. >> And Tim did not make that presentation. Who did? >> No. >> No. Cindy.
>> Okay, that's right. She was there. >> She's so board member. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So I mean it should say whoever made the presentation that would be helpful. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. And then we come down. Okay. The special event permit the bike fest that was by the downtown partnership. >> Yes. >> It doesn't say west of the downtown partnership. >> Presentation made by Cindy Kenworthy.
Junth special event permit approved permit for Junth event that was made by she wasn't here >> Duke right >> he was it was just it was just the request was there she was absent who was
she was absent due to um >> a medical illust personal issue >> um The next one about the emergency purchase authorization. >> Um this is see this is the important part the $20,000 the side by side fund and man public works like we were
talking about earlier the budget. >> What is the side by side fund? >> It's money that we set aside >> side by side can't that's not correct is it? >> No it was the 12,000 from um that should have been the 12,000 for the K Cabota. A Kabota could be considered a side by
side. Yes. >> Okay. So, that but then the other money was supposed to come from >> public works, >> right? It was supposed to be from the building funds for the park department which actually like $6,000 too as
>> right. But um also um wasn't there a separate motion that to this was to find this was an emergency? >> Yes. We need to can you guys review it and see if we that's important.
And then the $2,000 for temporary doctor repairs and then prove the total job repairs around 13,000 earlier. Um >> anticipating FEMA reimbursement. So that had in there that anticipating FEMA reimbursement. We agreed to the 13,000
>> to go ahead and >> it says approved from Dr. is anticipating the reimbursement meaning that we're anticipating the money coming in to go ahead and spend money. >> That's not how I read it, but and I'm not sure that's what >> Well, okay. >> So, we need to look at how how
>> that motion, >> right? >> The discussion beforehand was that they said that you guys talked to me about said that that would not mess up our reimbursement if we went ahead and made the repairs, >> right?
I thought it was the 2000 shipper temporary. We knew we weren't going to get that money back. That was >> besides >> that was not that was completely separate. >> But then we went ahead and made a motion to prove in anticipation of us getting that
reimbursement from FEMA, meaning proceed with the repairs. Right. >> Okay. >> Trusted in the box. Please make sure that you clarify in the there it did not say that upon that it says upon re with
the approval that FEMA was going to reimburse. We know we have to expend that money and then FEMA's going to reimburse us. But I just want to make sure that we didn't say go ahead and spend it in hopes that FEMA it's once we get the approval. So please make sure when you listen to those tapes how it's
how it's stated. Well, mayor, I unfortunately have passed. >> Okay. Um, wouldn't this whole problem be solved if the motions were stated? >> Yeah. And the motion should be and then then we would not have to debate. Okay.
I'm so sorry. I have to go. >> No. >> Is it a full basement? >> No. >> You know, we're still on mic. So, we know now. So now we know what the commissioner veto. So if anybody goes to see
>> Okay. We know that the motions need to be verbatim moving forward. We're on six. Yep. >> We're on number six. >> And I will just mention that it the minutes refer to the China walk as former
is not closed. probably >> at the at that point we thought that they had I think that that was >> so we can take former out. Yeah. That they had closed the they had closed them for violations but in fact they were still operating. >> Well, they weren't that doesn't make
them a former. I mean I don't think we need to put that in the >> Oh, I just scribbled it out. So we're scribbling that out. >> Okay. Um, any other questions on that? >> The June 12th. >> Um, the only thing this does not have in there and I don't see is that we had to
have a motion to extend the meeting. Motion in there to extend the meeting >> twice. >> That was It was the July one, not the July. This is the 10:35. >> 10:35. >> Oh, so you did have
>> Was that once that evening? I think I think we did 10 minutes and then five more minutes or something. Yeah. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Yeah, you're right. Which probably is because it looks at the agenda. I didn't see that as an item and it extended. So,
it's not >> And you know why is because and it's not in here is it we went into discussion about the blue ribbon >> and that's why it extended and we never made any we never took any action. That was >> remember they waited
>> till the very end and then they asked on the July meeting that we move them to the front >> because they all had to wait at this meeting. >> No, we did it in July and then we had a special meeting that we discussed it. >> Yeah, >> that was in June. This was I know the
one in I know the one I thought it was the one in June was the one where commissioner Devito spoke and we didn't finish up the agenda because she was talking about the BRC because that's happened twice.
>> Oh yes I know she made a motion to talk about it in our next available meeting which is a special meeting like two weeks later that we had. So I think that's why you guys >> we've extended it twice and so that's when I cut the meeting off
>> because it continued. So check on that and make sure there was not a DRC discussion because we we ended the meeting because it kept being extended. And then this next meeting um and do you recall that that was your first meeting that we went to 10:35 and then the next
meeting we went to almost 11:00. That is correct for that same reason. >> We didn't decided to continue that special meeting. >> But that was not that was um did not go that late. >> That special meeting did not go that late. or twice because
>> so please make sure because I'm pretty sure that was the one meeting where >> she asked she was talked for about 40 minutes and continued the discussion and finally we've extended it twice and finally I asked we adjourned the meeting >> okay >> yeah you're correct
to Don Holmes >> we didn't get to Don Holmes he was supposed to speak and he couldn't speak and so the July meeting >> so we'll double check So, we have um
>> we have a motion. We have a second. >> Okay. >> We have a proper motion and a second. All in favor, please say I oppose. Nay. >> Okay. So move. [Music]
>> Is the commission um satisfied with the layout of the new program? The way it looks. >> They do look much more consistent and they look they look more like what I expect. >> Okay. cuz I was looking at greetings minutes from like two years ago and I
was like wait these and these just like that. So >> that's good. >> We we we slip we like I say we get in line and then we back and then we get in line again. >> Okay. This is only three of us now. So
>> um the other issue probably should come before is at the August at the August 12th meeting. at the August 12th meeting. Please also make sure that you agenda that our September meeting um regular scheduled meeting will be moved to September 10th. We need an um we need
an approval on that. >> We'll address that. >> We'll make that announcement at the August meeting agenda >> under business. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And we advertise those things change.
I know we don't always put a we put a public not when it comes to ordinances but we might want to still run separate ordinances as the regular September meeting and even if we have time for August but it doesn't really matter
about days if we just put it in there just >> to try and >> once you've approved it once we've approved it. No, for next week we need just to have it covered. Did we send out >> but we haven't approved it. So good news.
>> No, we have not officially approved changing the September. Oh, next week we have Oh, that was already done I think some time ago, wasn't it? >> Well, we we did the it was on notice of ordinance because we have to notice our ordinances, but we actually just have things that the meeting will be on a
different day. Um, but we just might want to the emails that have gone out. You might want to put a special one in there just so people know cuz they might have had the the date earlier, but the fact that it's a different day than normal. We might throw some people and
we don't want people to try to >> look them quite early of the new the new day again. And historically, >> we have done this every year. So, >> yes, ma'am. is
we don't want people thinking that we're trying to have a motion to >> I need >> So is there anything else we need? I don't think I think that's it. Everything else is good. >> Everything else is good. >> Okay. Um our next workshop is
>> the 15th. >> Okay. >> 15th 19th >> 19th. That's a Saturday. >> Okay. So, can I get a motion to adjurnn, please? >> If I don't want to, then we just keep going.
>> We're just going to sit here. >> I hope somebody's buying lunch. >> I I move that we adjourn. >> Okay, >> we have a motion, a second. All in favor, please say I. >> I opposed. Nay. >> Okay. Thank you, everyone.
>> Thank you for your work on this commission. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. And then the rebels.