11:05 a.m. Welcome everyone. Happy Monday. And with that, Commissioner Moore, welcome back. We hope all is well with um your mom. She's coming along. >> She's coming along. And if you would
please leave us an indication. Everyone stand if you are able. Just bow our heads. Dear heavenly father, we want to thank you for this day for this is the day that you have made and we will rejoice. We thank you for your grace and for your
mercy. And father god, we thank you for waking us up this morning to a brand new day, a beautiful day we've never seen you again. We give you honor and praise. We ask you to be with us today. Help us, oh Lord, to do those things that will be pleasing in your sight. Help us to be
fair and honest and do those things that will be equally to each one. And God, we ask you to bless the sick and the shy to continue to bless my mother here in your care, dear Lord. And we thank you for what you've already done, what you're going to do. We ask that you continue to
give us knowledge and understanding to be able to do thy will. These blessings we do ask in thy son Jesus name. Amen. >> And the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic
for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. Thank you. Madam clerk, if you would please do a roll call. >> Yes, ma'am. [clears throat] Commissioner just
um Commissioner Cynthia Burton >> here. >> Commissioner Linda Moore >> here. >> Vice Mayor BJ >> present. >> Commissioner Lisa Kito >> present. [laughter] Yes, she just getting back from the
beach. >> Mayor Michelle Myers. >> Um, city manager Derek Martin >> here. >> Assistant city manager CRA manager Bonnie Love Day >> here. >> Um, public works director Keith Harris
>> here [clears throat] >> and myself, city clerk. We have a [laughter] >> Okay. Thank you, Madam Clerk. We're going to start off with our business items. Again, everyone, welcome. Um, we've got the Crescent City Women's
Civic Association funding request. If you'll recall, um, you might have a is there a flyer? I think there might be a flyer with that. Last year, we funded this. Um, Mr. Martin, you and um, Steve, which are supposed to get with us how
much we have in community. >> Yes, ma'am. He's put the budgets in the back of the >> Okay. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> And I will look myself 2,300 left in the budget as of today under private organizations.
>> 2300 >> 2,300. >> Yes, ma'am. Isn't it back? >> How much did we fund last year? >> We budgeted 3,000. 3,000. >> We did 300 a month. We did divide it at 300 for >> um >> three entities I believe.
>> The three entities >> and it was um [laughter] [clears throat] >> Oh, there it is. There it is. >> Okay. So yes, last year we did 300 for um the back to school. We did 300 for
the Christian service center and 300 for the library. So right now before us is the Crescent City Home Civic Association funding request. So I'll entertain a motion.
And and this year I I will say this that they several years ago um they were given a a very large quantity from one of the churches over in the Futland area um that gave to them a large quantity of
backpacks that has carried them through the years and they'll give out I know I've been there before and they'll give out a hundred backpacks if not more. Um these are brand new backpacks for the children. My understanding is this year
that they um exhausted all of them this this past school year. So just with that in mind. >> So I'd like to make a motion. >> Okay. >> Um I move that this year we fund the Women's Civic Association
request for their back to school event in the amount of $500. >> I'll second that. Okay. So, we have a back to school um donation of $500. Do we have any further discussion?
Yes, ma'am. >> I would just like to say um I'm assuming that we're not the only contributor as they had, you know, in kind contribution. Um but, you know, I do think it's important they look to the
public. Um, I'm sure they do, the public, other organizations, um, retailers, etc., etc. And of course, just because we budgeted $3,000, um, [clears throat] for this fiscal year, I don't need to spend it all. Got it. Thank you. Um, my understanding is
that, of course, they do have a lot of inind. They have people that come in, give their services as well. In the past, they've re um, and Dixie has has helped out, I think, tremendously. Um that of course is not the case this
year. Um anybody that I know that if you want to donate if any of you I always enjoy back to school shopping even though I haven't had to do that in any of here and and college shopping was much different >> but um any of you that enjoy doing that
anything that you want to go shop and donate to them now also they're accepting that as well. pencils, pens, paper, notebooks, folders. Um, do you have anything you want to add to that?
>> No. Um, they also accept um their youth clothing for canc >> and so they probably have to do um purchase their own food because it's not. >> So anyway, I think it's good. Yeah, they serve lunch to they get lunch,
>> you know. So, and I know that they do a lot of the shopping with the buy one get one, especially right now with different entities offering that. So, I I know they can stretch it as far as they possibly can. So, thank you. I think that's very generous. Um, madam clerk,
if you'll do a roll call for us, please. >> Yes, ma'am. Um, >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Moore. I >> Commissioner Dino >> I >> Vice Mayor Lorie >> I >> mayor Myers >> I >> so approved >> so approved. Thank you.
>> Okay, let's move on to our EMS fire station presentation. >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Um today we want to go through a little bit deeper the design development agenda um which is in front of you all. I believe you all have the red line copy. It's this form here
and Mr. Bob Taylor is here from um A1A AIA sorry architect PA and he's going to do a presentation and speak a little bit more about the scope of work and just to be clear as we move forward he's going to need some direction. It's a good time for Q&A for this group so there's an
understanding of what our intentions are and how we're moving forward with this project if you will sir. >> Thank you. Thank you Martin. Good morning mayor commissioners. President, we appreciate this opportunity to give you the inside information on the
new fire station there. I have provided an agenda which we will outline what we plan to do today. Two major goals. Number one, I'm going to try to familiarize all concerned with the drawings and detail of the work we produced. And uh let me stop just for a
second and I want to introduce my consultant team in the blue shirt on the front row. Alex Arie Engineering. He's the civil engineer and Charles Birkswood and Lucas McCutchen. Both of these gentlemen along with Simons and Roach mechanical plumbing electrical fire
safety and fire alarm. The gentleman on the second row of black shirt is Patrick Rose. Patrick is a structural engineer a forensic engineer. So he he provides advice to engineers who have failed to do it right the first time. [clears throat]
The gentleman in the black chart is Steve Black. Steve is our cost control consultant. So uh this is part of our team. There are several others who are involved and it's a privilege to work with these children. They've done a great job so far trying to provide the information that we will present.
The second thing I'd like to ask you to do today is once we go through this agenda, there are several items which we have said this is what we think you want to do. And then if you agree, which is what our purpose is to get you a say
yes, that's what we want you to do. Or [clears throat] if you disagree, that's okay, too. We just need to know what direction to travel. Okay. So Derek, if you would please. Uh, I think I'm going to open with our um, it is item number
six. See it? Yeah, there you go. Click on that one. This is the first sheet of architectural and and all drawings quite frankly. the table on the right is a table of all the drawings that we plan to produce and
there may be one or two additions as we refine the scope of the work. Uh next page please here. This is a life safety plan that on the 14th of this month we reviewed with the fire marshall and the uh city building officials to make sure that they agree with what we think the
code says. And there's a lot of things on this front. You see those dash lines? Those are exit distances and calculations for how many people can go through the door at a certain time. And in the drawing itself, it shows the types of walls where the fire rated for
1 hour, 20 minutes or 3/4 one quarter hour, whatever should be at one hour. Uh, and we had general consensus on this drawing by the fire marshall, which is great. A couple of things that were important to us is the exterior stores will not have painting hardware. Today,
painting hardware is quite expensive. The total occupant content with alternate number one is like 50 more people and some of those people will be exiting from the apparatus bay. Usually the magic number is 50. So we're below that in all cases and they've agreed
that panic hardware is not required by code. In le of that we'll have lever handle hardware with thumb turn where they have to provide for security and the exterior doors will all have closers. The vibrated doors will also have closers. I know this is a bit mundane so I apologize for that but it's
important for us because now we can kind of lower the quality if you will meet code and have the standard that we expect as far as fire protection and safety. Okay. Uh scroll one please sir. >> Thank you.
>> Next sheet is the uh there you go. That's the floor plan. I know you've seen this before. Uh the front of the building on the right is the domator business area. The building on the left, the dark line is apparatus
bay. And the far left is additive alternate number one. Alternates have to be defined as separate entities of the construction documents. And this is one of the best ways that we know how to do this. You draw the base bid, which is the drawing on the right. And in this
case, the base bit would include the slab for alternate number one. So even if we don't get the alternate, we'll get the benefit of the slab because the structural issues here are pretty complex and to try not to do that uh would really complicate the addition in the future. On the left hand side of the
drawing is the alternate again with its foundations and walls and other things and this is just the beginning. The mechanical plumbing, electrical engineers and civil engineers all have to accommodate this alternate. So they will show those on their drawings as well as we proceed through. There's a
second alternate on the far left is just what we're calling an overhang. It's a rigid frame. On the far south end, um, and it provides an overhang, which is about 16 1/2 ft for some of the exterior equipment that the fire station will have, the brush equipment, the boat,
whatever else they might have that would not necessarily be in the condition space will be somewhat protecting. Yes, >> okay. is the overhang only if we do the add-on with the the bay the third day
>> the >> we might consider the alternate number two as an attachment to the base bid uh [clears throat] so we don't don't get alternate number one we could get it as part as alternate number two so
um these other drawings let's scroll down here please >> tell me where you want to go Take A1.2. That's a reflected ceiling plan. I'm sorry, I just focused. A2.1. There you go. These are exterior
elevations uh that show um [clears throat] the building and and that particular drawing that Mr. Martin has focused on. On the right hand side in the center of the page is the base vid. You can see two apparatus bays and then to the left of that you'll see the uh editable alternates number one and
number two. On the very top is the north elevation which is the front of the building and it shows a wings skip of those stone in this case and then both the east and west elevation and the business and uh dorm area it shows that same wings skip. Okay,
that's a section. Go ahead Gary. And I think u in the interest of time [clears throat] I'm going to just pass on to the end of this particular series. These are specifications and I always tell people when you show this slide you need to read that there'll be a test
later. [laughter] I want to move on to the civil drawings which is 07. So you ladies and gentlemen, if you have time to go through these drawings in detail and if you have questions, please let me know. You can call, text or
email, email email and I will answer them. Uh this is uh Mr. AR's first sheet which is basically just specifications. This sheet is the uh survey that was produced by NP5 and the next sheet [clears throat] is
the demolition sheet related to the survey. And uh I spoke with Mr. Harris this morning and Mr. Martin and I have also talked some of this demolition work will be done by the county prior to construction start. Uh there's some benefits to that. It'll give the county
or that give the contractor a clear site to work with the little slab and that little concrete structure and there's piles of debris and trees that will all be removed from this site before the contractor gets there and obviously that will facilitate this work. Next sheet,
which this is a de layout paving grading and training sheet. It shows two rideways. They're 22 four feet wide, an extended apron on either side where the apparatus bay is on the south end of the bottom of the site. And currently we're showing 18 regular parking spaces and
one handicap space up here. Uh we can consider the land development code does provide for spaces above what's required. In this case, it would be eight standard spaces and one handicap space. The remainder of those spaces can
be stabilized brass or some type of pvious stone if we wish. That could save us some money. It would also reduce the size of our sight water retention. So, that's that's one of the things that I'll ask you to consider as we go through the process. >> What kind of a difference are we
thinking price? How much money would that save us if we did >> Commissioner Gloria? It's going to be a little hard to put dollar amounts on every little item. We've done a pretty good job. Mr. Black's detail has some of these costs identified to that point and and Mr. Black can do that
again as we get closer to refining the scope. So, >> we we can safely say we'll save some money and two different things, less sight work and less water retention. >> U Mr. Taylor, I have a question. How much of a footprint is that taking
up of that five acres over there? >> Well, this site is just a little over two acres. Uh I did not calculate the impervious area. I don't know. I don't have that number top of my head, but um the total development area is about one just about just over about just about
two acres of developed area. I think total property like 4.85. >> Yeah. >> I'm sorry. >> I think total property is 4.85 5 acres >> and the developed area was the actual development area was about 1.85 to two acres. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. All the way. So the the dash line kind of down in the >> towards the middle that's a little over two and a half acres of the of the full site. >> Okay. So, I guess one of the other questions I would have is as you're designing this, you're designing it in
such a way to where it it doesn't sit right in the middle. So, you're going to be efficient enough so that if we ever needed that other acreage, we could >> use that. So, >> correct. Absolutely. Yeah. to the south of that dash line, you
might recall there, there is a a driveway. And I don't know if you can scroll up, that driveway will still be used as part of this construction. >> Okay. >> Okay. And uh we're going to stabilize it so truck can drive in and out, but other than that, you know, it'll be left un
unstructed. >> And are those those are the ponds the pension ponds on both sides >> on the right and the left? Yes. Now, those are preliminary right now. Commissioner Lori. Um, we we got the geotechnical information right at the end of this design development phase and
Alex will will consider that. There's a couple of issues here on the retention ponds. The fill is suitable for reuse under certain conditions and we want to elevate the building. So, that fill from the ponds will be used to build up the building.
>> So, it's not anticipated right now for import. That's what you're saying >> balances >> right now 200 yards >> about 200 yards. >> Okay. >> So we can obviously we can expand the pond one to save. So it's it's going to be a balancing
>> and if we reduce our impervious load then that means we can reduce our retainer so the ponds can squeeze up a little bit. >> Okay. All right. So potential cost savings but you won't know until a design is complete. >> Until it does it. Now my is this something that with the two ponds rather
than one pond? >> It's a sheet flow concept one go in both directions >> and that's the most economical. >> That is most economical rather than one pond. Okay. >> Well again um
>> just I'm asking just so that we >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's I mean it would likely increase and cause you to to put in storm pipe if you only had one pond on one side. You only have one. >> Yeah. Yeah. You'd have to take water from that side and pipe it to the other. >> These are questions that, you know, the
public's going to ask us. Why do we have two ponds out there? Because typically, if you >> anybody that's not familiar with this would think that two ponds is going to cost more than one pond. >> So, why would we do this? We just need some justification for that. >> And yes, ma'am. And and these are
shallow, so they're I mean, we're call but they're dry. >> They're going to look like grass. They're just Yeah. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Thank you. [clears throat] >> Scroll on down, Alex, please. I mean, Derek, it's okay. [laughter] >> I knew what you meant.
>> Okay. Um, this is showing some of the utilities. There was a question about the the force man. The sewer will have to be force man because the sewer that we're flowing into is a force man. You remember when
we talked about that? Okay. And u there will be water supply for domestic and there'll be another water supply for fire service and Alex I met with clue writing and he said that there have to be a connection within 50 ft of the
building. So, um I guess the island will be at the curb which is supposed to be provided Keith as part of the water expansion, but we'll have to run the line to perhaps the backflow preenter and have a connection at the back >> for the fire.
>> Yes, sir. We have it in there. >> Okay. The location of the the valve again. Um, uh, Derek, scroll out on the river and at the top right there at the intersection of junction and old Highway
17, you'll see Yeah. There's a water valve right there. >> Right here. >> Yeah. And Keith, you were thinking that's where we would tie in. >> Yeah. Okay. >> There's a valve already there. 6 inch line. >> Okay. So we need to weigh the value of
tying in at that location versus the cost of the additional room I think to that spot. So just just to make sure we're doing the most economical solution. >> Next page. >> Next page. Yes.
>> These are details which Alex has provided. tackle warning, handicapping, curtains and gutters, [clears throat] a variety of sections. By the way, in the upper right hand corner of that drawing shows a a dumpster enclosure.
I've researched several and and the chief had asked for an economical solution um associate of mine who is a mechanical engineer had a vinyl enclosure and it's a heavy duty vinyl enclosure. Uh the corners can be reinforced with 4x4s and of course the
gate can be metal and can have substantial hinges but that would in my opinion be the most economical solution. There are pipe bullets in the back uh so that when if the truck is pushing the dumpster he won't push it into the fence. Okay. And that will be a concrete
slab also. So it'll be durable. So it costs a little money to make it durable. uh everything our team is doing, it's a double-edged sword. What can you buy for the best price for the most durability? And we have to make those choices. And
now I'm asking you to make those choices as well. >> Uh are there other sheets, Alex, on this series we need to look at? >> No, that pretty much covers it. >> So So the outside drives, this is you're proposing this to be heavy duty concrete, not heavy duty asphalt. >> It's heavy duty asphalt right now.
>> It is heavy duty asphalt. Yes sir. >> Okay. So we don't know cost comparison between the two. I don't know where concrete is today. >> Right. And that and that was one of my questions also like is it would it would it provide any savings to do all concrete versus >> versus asphalt? Yes, sir. >> Okay. All right. I I'd like to give an
alternative to that. We get pricing. I don't know if there if you can get it to your cost consultant. >> I think right now Steve you use asphalt for the main drives. >> Yeah. As designed. >> Okay. basically
in just as you see right here. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. The reinforced concrete is very expensive. >> Yes, it does. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, we don't have So, and I think one of the the value engineering was to reduce that 20 [clears throat] concrete apron on side of space.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And extend the heavy duty asphalt. But you probably need >> from an operational standpoint. Does fire have anything to say about that at all? >> For these for these aprons coming out of
the garage, out of the covered area. >> Right now, they're designed at 20 ft wide out from the ground space on the inside of the building. >> Does it matter if they're pulling out equipment, letting it sit for a long period of time versus being on the slab
under under roof? because I know that they do that from time to time for checking equipment and stuff like that. >> You know, you know, when we check our truck, we always pull them out, right? We're doing training, you know. What do >> you think, Jeff?
>> I'm sorry. I think that's something we definitely have to consider as far as the areas. >> Jeff, why don't you if you would for right now come up. >> Sorry, I can I can project a little better. Um, it's something we definitely
need to consider as far as the aprons in front of the base because the trucks do sit outside. >> Um, we don't want uh the water from the pumps to sit there and deteriorate the inside of the station, fly out the inside of the station. I mean, this is going to be a brand new
building, so we do need to figure out how to That's what these guys are for to, you know, give us the proper weight that the that the trucks could be supported on as far as
>> Mr. Rose stopped by the fire station I think this morning chief to take a look at the facilities and things like axle weight are important to us as part of the design. So um the geotechnical consultant has recommended certain
standards and certain types of paving for various uses and then between Alex and Patrick and myself we'll decide what's most appropriate at the most economical price. I guess simply stated >> we have trench drains too here. His concern was water. There's trench drains on both sides.
>> So any water that's being placed there, it's going to be taken away pretty quickly. Captain, >> do we have on the interior of the structure? >> We we have >> just at this point the trench drains have
been removed from the program. At this point the trench drains have been removed from the program. Um, a couple of things that we've talked about is using absorbent materials to control spills and then sweeping that up rather than using the trench tanks. And Alex,
maybe I'm speaking your territory here. Would you like to speak on trench drains as the issues that are involved in processing the discharge from those? >> No, we're only we're only talking water.
There really shouldn't be any type of other discharge other than It's only what what what could fall within the apparat space. Anything from the from the trucks. >> Yeah. Because the equipment the equipment doesn't get worked on in place. It goes out to a facility for for
maintenance. Correct. >> Sometimes, >> but y'all aren't doing oil changes there. >> That's my point. >> Usually, we don't do maintenance in the station. We're mainly concerned about the fact that if Yeah. Water, >> water. >> Okay. I I mean I personally think it it
they that that [laughter] trench drain should be in there. >> Cost is probably $30 a foot >> give or take. I I mean if you have an oil waters that's too >> Yeah. I don't think that would need to
be the case. I mean it's >> it's straight straight to your uh your straight to your >> How how does the D or our other state authority feel about that? I mean it should be just water >> should be >> should be
>> you know I'll let the engineers talk but typically in an apparatus bay you would have you still have potential for oils other things coming off that's why >> water separator >> yeah you still have to collect that and separate it through the storm and that's
probably what your EPA your storm water guys are see >> okay >> why did we why did we choose to remove that? Because I would think in especially in the apparatus bay, you would want to be able to at time from time to time you might even have to wash
it down. >> So why would you choose to not have drains in there? Because if you don't have drains and you're washing it down, um you know, you're going to have standing water. So um so why would we not have why would we take that out? The
floors in the apparatus they are are sloped from the center access to the outside to facilitate drainage. Uh we discussed with I guess it was cheap riser uh a way of using absorbent materials to pick up any spills.
Uh the cost of the trans drains provides for additional reinforcing around the drains themselves to provide for structural stability. The discharge has to be in a well separator that shows on the bottom of the drawing and then ultimately we'll just start change to the water retention area. The simple
answer is it's costless. Okay. So if if it is deemed essential that we provide these then we'll just have to bite the bullet do it. >> What is standard? What is standard when you're building a fire a fire a new fire station? What >> fire station doesn't have one?
>> It doesn't have one. Uh, we had to use fire stations. The ambulance station we designed did have one. It never got built, but we had it in there. So, I don't know, Steve, what's your experience? >> What Bob just say? It's a 50-50 deal. It really depends on your SOPs, right? Once you stand operational procedures you
have to maintain your facility. >> So, if you have that very documented very well and you have a [clears throat] script you follow on a regular maintenance routine, you don't need to have that. It's I don't want to say it's belts and suspenders, but you're saving money and it's not
small dollars. Thousands [clears throat] >> probably about 30 grand. >> You're the expert. We're just asking the question where the money's at. [clears throat] >> My name is Charles Burch. of the mechanical and plumbing engineer with Sims and Rash. Um really does come down
to that your standard of procedure for how you're going to deal with it. The building gets classified the appar gets classified under like a garage type scenario in which case services can happen. How are you going to deal with any discharge that hits the space? >> I do a lot with city of Jacksonville
fire stations. They want drains in their apparatus space that requires additional labor to slope to different pitches there. reinforce the slab, put piping in, put an oil water separator in, do discharges, and coordinate any pump outs that need to happen.
>> I [clears throat] believe that if you know that's if y'all are looking to save dollars, additionally approach of sloping it away and dealing with any incidental spills with absorbent material and cleanup is an acceptable approach. Just what approach
is going to be in there? Um yes. So um it seems to me like we have two different audiences here, two different levels of decision making for some for some of
these things that Mr. Taylor is describing and his team is speaking to. Um, I'm hoping we're not going to be asked to make a decision on some of these things today because it seems like we should have the fire department's
assessment. I mean, they're presenting something that depends on how you're going to use the building. The fire chief or and staff are the ones who are really going to determine that. It seems like some of these things we shouldn't be deciding till we have the fire
department feedback. Well, they've been getting the fire department feedback all along. >> Well, isn't that correct? >> Yes, it's correct. And I will say that if it if it comes down to a standard operating procedure, that's administrative and we can handle that in in conjunction with our state
counterparts to find out exactly what they're looking for. >> Can I just say or ask a question? I know you're comparing us to Hawthorne all the time. Um, wouldn't it be based on how many times our fire trucks go out and compared to maybe Hawthorne? I mean, if
they're going out the average twice as many times or three times as many times, you know, they they're their maintenance would be that much more. But the other question that I have is if you slow these now and we become a big municipal
city of 10,000 growth but but if we come if we all of a sudden become a larger city if you just slow them are we able to put in uh the particular plan to to have to have that okay I mean
I'm just saying I I think you once you concrete everything over then you have to you know you have to dig through it more. >> My thought on that would be no because you're sloping you're paving outside of the apparat bay down to your storm water you're slinging your apparatus base to your storm water.
>> So you need slope to drain right so you make this decision now I mean that's today but you need to make the decision before you build this >> so that if you're worried about that in the future >> you have it addressed. >> Yes. >> You're not going to come back after the fact of it. >> All right. Well, I I'm just bringing that up
because um for me, I'm always looking at the future. You know, right now sometimes we always look at what's happening right at this moment, but I would like to believe that Crescent City will grow. How big? I don't think it would be 15 20,000, but you know, the
area itself though may grow more. I mean, we we you know, we we're not just Crescent City. I mean, we're all up south. We go up into we go down to Valuchia. So, so we're we're kind of all over the place really. And that's kind of what I would be looking at.
>> I think my concern my concern would be with not have been in there and and of course, like I said, you're the experts. I think before you do anything, we need a comparison, a price comparison >> and that's going to be, you know, that might help us everybody a lot.
>> But my concern is is that it's just like your driveway. Even if you have a car in there, you might not have an oil spill, but you could have dripping oil. And as the runoff from cleaning that out, it is
going to go into those that drainage. And so that would be a concern that that I would have that, you know, what are we actually putting out there? Um, and [clears throat] >> mayor, I think >> I think we have a
>> Did you want to come you want to come up and speak? Who? >> You sure? >> Yeah. >> You had something to say? >> Well, um I just uh we don't do like heavy maintenance there at this point on the record. Like it oil changes and stuff like that. The trucks get sent out. >> Yeah.
>> So the stuff that gets done there if it's small maintenance guy comes out does it small but if it's anything major like or a big service they do take the trucks do it at the shop >> and you could have an hydraulic leak though. >> Yeah. And so
I I would I would say this to I would say this to my commission and I don't know if this can be done. This is an engineering question as well. >> I'd like to see an alternative for this as well pricing wise one with asphalt at the heavy base asphalt taking the aprons out. That's going to save you money.
You're going to have to have a concrete ribbon on both sides to fortify the drain the trench drain but I think that should be left in. So we do asphalt and sloping with an SOP. We'll do that. We'll handle that administratively, but then a price u [clears throat] um or an
alternative for the trench drain system and the oil separator and have [laughter] that separated out. >> Mr. Martin, are you suggesting that we include the trench drain and the piping and the oil water separator as an alternate? >> Yes, with heavy duty asphalt in lie of
concrete. >> Okay. Now, >> and with the asphalt, you're going to provide a ribbon, correct? Ribbon along along the edges. Correct. >> Probably about 3 ft line or something. [clears throat] >> Yes. >> Very good.
Um, okay. Unless there further questions. Um, Derek, please move that down. >> Yes, sir. >> You tell me when. >> I think those are civil sheets. These are just detail sheets. >> Okay. Alex, is there something here that
you wanted to point out on behalf? Okay. Um, then Charles and Lucas, I was thinking that some of the PM drawings we might want to look at just generally. So, we close out of that, please, and go to the next slide or to
the next file. Oh, that's pack. Let's open that. Let's say structural engineering. I think this will go pretty quick and go to the next sheet. Yeah, that's the foundation plan. Uh, and again on
the right hand side is what we consider the base bid and the left hand side will be the alternates. So you can see we're trying to design him some of the conditions that would happen for alternate number one and two being on the left hand side as well as the base fit. It's important to note that this
information is estimated based on Mr. roads understanding of metal buildings. Uh years gone by the metal building industry was very helpful and they would give you the reactions of the rigid frames and the columns etc. Now it's gotten so competitive they won't do it
unless you promise to buy it from them. So it's a little bit more complicated. just have to keep it. So these are the beginnings of some of the sheets and then some of his preliminary details [clears throat] and then Patrick unless you have other questions or comments about the structural uh that's fire suppression. I
think we can skip fire suppression and fire alarm you will know. Go ahead and open that one up. This is plumbing. uh the fire suppression and fire alarm systems will be designed in accordance with the code and all the systems will be certified and approved by uh the fire
module in the course of the shops and submittal data. I mean this is just SOP for us and to the benefit of the city. So uh the plumbing drawings basically we're planning to use and I don't know which one is sanitary. So this is a CB
again. It's a schedule 40 DWB waistlines and pretty straightforward and it discharges off to the east which will go into the wet well and then be pumped across the street. Next sheet please sir.
This is dome domestic water system. This is CPVC um Charles and Lucas if you have other information. Basically domestic water is provided as required. We did include some host bin for the benefit of the fire department and the apparatus base
and um >> Charles the uh the hose bib and press >> Charles I'm so sorry it's we're trying to pick it up on video and for that and it's really difficult. So that's why we're we're asking everybody if you would please if you can speak into the
microphone. All right. Um to note any hose boat bib locations or compressed air locations within the grass bay were workshopped out with uh the fire department. So those locations are locations they have indicated to us. >> We had a meeting with Chief Riser and
others of the fire department to locate these [music] mean that this is final that they review. They can add more or take away some. It's a cost kind of situation. We want you to have what you have to have. Okay.
>> Derek, were you part of that meeting? >> Not that particular meeting. >> Okay. >> Okay. Scroll on down to the next drawing, which I think is the gas. >> And I apologize. I've been to so many I kind of forget which one was what. So, I might have been, but I haven't been to all.
>> I think it's just important that and and of course I'm only speaking for myself. I'm not speaking for my fellow commissioners. It's just important that with some of our wishes, some of the things we're asking not to put in there, that you know, you're the expert. You're the one that build that build these. And
so making sure that we're in alignment with where we need to be um with other stations as far as necessities or non-necessities. And that's just I'm just I know that you know thankfully you know our our fire
department is giving you some some information and some wants but just to make sure that it is in alignment with other fire departments. >> Very good. And several of our consultants have experience with other fire stations as you've heard. So we kind of collectively we decide what's
most appropriate. Okay. >> And of course our feedback is to you and to the fire department to make sure that we heard what you said. So, >> and that's important to us that if we are asking for something and you feel that that you're not in agreement with
it that that you let us, you know, you let us know or that you, you know, give that feedback as well. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Thank you. >> Next slide, please. >> That's it on this one. >> Oh, hang on.
>> Should be one more. >> That's it on this one. Domestic water. I thought it was a gas plant. >> Yeah. Let's see. Sanitary, water, and water. >> There's a gas on one of those same sheets there,
Charles. There is a a gas service. I thought it was in the f sheets. And there also is a compressed air drawing which is probably >> I saw the compressed >> air33 [clears throat] >> there. Okay.
>> Combined. >> It's just combined and there's the gas right here. Yes, there is gas and compressed air. >> Yeah. >> Right around. >> Yeah, as I recall the heaters are not shown on this car, but there will be gas heaters in that space. other sheets you want to look at you
want to look at. >> Can I can I ask too and I know we referenced Hawthorne and I apologize Commissioner Burden. Um it was just point of reference but most recent bill but did they get gas heaters as well over there? Do they have heaters in there? >> I'm certain that they do. It's a requirement.
>> It is a requirement. Okay. Okay. >> Okay. You got to have >> Thank you. You don't have to have HBAC, but you got to have >> You got to have heat >> in amber. >> That's interesting. You would think it would be [clears throat] >> the opposite. >> The opposite. >> Especially here.
>> I don't want to spit the priest. >> Yeah. >> There you go. >> Okay. Um let's close out of that one and go to the mechanical seats, which would be the next one down. mechanical non >> Charles you want to walk us through this
first few sheets are mechanical specifications the parts pieces means methods um moving on to I think it's the we have [clears throat] some schedules preliminary tagged with equipment that will be in there such as um unit heaters
um dehumidifier for the bunker gear room air distribution devices schedule. Um, a few of these schedules will be disappearing over the discussions to remove the secondary fan system out of the apparatus bay, which was um, previously covered in notes and email
form um, to save money. So, as you can see on the plan, there are actually two fan systems supplying exhaust in the apparatus bank. The supply will come out to save money um, and the open bay doors will be used as the intake for the exhaust system. Charles, if I may, what
we want to do is keep your source capture system in as an alternative. >> Okay. >> Okay. And what Charles was saying, we've had some discussion because we're trying to hedge our bets on on the budget is we just deleted, but I think it's okay to keep it in. Okay. As an option, alter
number three. And then um the al the option to that is and Charles what we talked about was having a standard procedure to open the garage doors overhead doors when the fans come on. Okay. So that any
CO2 or justious gases or whatever would be ex exhausted to the next year. That'll be the base. Okay. So we'll see what's what's available to us. >> Okay. Even though I think Mr. Black's doing an excellent job, this crystal
ball gets kind of dim on the outside. All right, other questions on the MP or do you want to say that? Oh, I want to remind you that there was a discussion uh from Mr. Black about not using fiberglass duck. Most people tuck
I've had good experience using tuck board, but Mr. Black is >> okay. And apparently Simons and Roach and Charles would be the one to answer on this. U we prefer galvanized metal ducts with exterior lining. And Charles, you want to speak on the value of that?
Um the metal will stand up incredibly longer. It will be easy to clean in the future and all. Um yes, the fiber board is cheaper. It installs faster, but you're not going to get the longevity and the cleanliness out of it that you will get with galvanized steel. >> Okay, so
>> I absolutely agree with that. Having just gone through that and seeing what those will absorb the gas >> it's nasty and you never get it clean >> once it's once you use it once it's never clean. [laughter] >> By the way, the haw station has fiber
stuff. >> What's the cost savings between the two? >> Certain areas you want to put your money certain areas you want to put your money. HBAC duck work is one of them. >> Okay. >> It's a long-term health. >> Absolutely.
Charles, are there other sheets we need to dwell on for the mechanics? >> I don't think so. >> Very good. Derek, please close that one. Yes. Oh, Lucas. And we'll open the electrical, of course. >> Uh, yes, please. Lucas, this is Lucas McCutchenic. >> Lucas McC registered electrical
engineer. >> Lucas. >> So, uh, move one more sheet. >> Oh, Lucas, if you would go down to like line three. Um, I want to talk about line three. [laughter] >> We can't read line three.
I'm sorry. >> Just giving you a hard just giving you a little hard time there. >> Um, >> give you some good practice. >> Go to E3.1 the next one. Awesome. Uh, you can zoom in on the lighting plan. >> One second here.
>> So, we are working on a general lighting plan for the uh area. Most of this is generally just one classification. Basically what that means is everything around us right now it's going to look just exactly the same. The only thing we're doing uh a little bit above that is of course all the apparatus space. Um
I have currently designed them to have vapor type uh LEDs aka IP rated 66. Basically the same thing your cell phone has any indirect spray can occur. Keep the lights safe protected all those kinds of things because these will be
exposed out into the exterior. Um, of course in the future, one of the things we'll talk about once we get more defined site plan is our decision to have either side pole LEDs out on typical light poles or if we're good with wall packs attached to the building. Um, it's really up to the city
on that point. There's a couple of specifications we go through with um, parking lots. Typically, anything from like one foot candle to three foot candles, very, very, very small. Um, one thing a lot of people also like to think about is um the American flag having uh that lit up. Um, of course that's
something we will um include in the beginning of the design. Um, we also are designing it so that any conduit runs that will occur. I'm not going I'm going to do my best not to be crossing over any of the um truck driveways to make sure we don't have to
use schedule 80 PVC schedule 40. That will reduce some cost. Um, and we can move on to the next sheet with that as well. >> Did you you say the inter the inside lights are going to be LEDs as well? >> Yes. Waterproof. >> All all of it LEDs. Um, all will be typical. Um, of course the ones above
the shower are going to be damp rated. Obviously, a little bit less of a rating than the ones in the exterior. Um, but that's how we're going to design it initially. And we're going with um contract select fixtures, which basically what that means is these are fixtures that are already on the shelf. They don't have
extended costs or lead times based on just some specialty picture that we can do. So that's how we're basing our design at the moment. >> This is 41. >> Yep. So this is the general power plan. A couple things to note on here. So the electrical room is on plan north. Um
there's an NDP of E1 and L1. North. >> There's the lighting sheet again. >> Right there. >> There it is. Yep. So, we have a 800 amp MDP that's going in there along with a 400 amp P1 and a 200 amp L1. Uh, so
those are the lighting and HVAC panels. Sometimes I call that's what I call them. The MDP is just a general panel. And the one thing we did to reduce cost on this selection is we're doing all heaters aka things that go from the utility company to the panel or panel to
panel as aluminum instead of copper. Um, that reduces the cost considerably. The one thing I will note is that typically the uh NFPA7E will say that um they recommend a 20-year maintenance cycle on aluminum as opposed to a 30-year maintenance cycle for copper. So that's
something to think about. Um another thing to think about is aluminum will also be in a bigger size. The conduit size will be a little bit larger. So there is a little bit of incurred cost on there, but it is nowhere close to the difference between copper and aluminum. Um all brand circuits will be copper though. Uh all HVAC will be copper
circuits as well. Um, so we are not going against anything with that. Of course, with the design of the rise and of course it being a fire station for the city of Crescent City and the people there, we do have an emergency backup or not emergency tobacco, optional standby generator for the facility. And we have
this currently shown as a diesel generator. So that [clears throat] is something we will have to have a discussion with is our difference between diesel and natural gas. [clears throat] >> Um, yeah. >> So this is very interesting. This is something that is definitely comes down to preference. I cannot give
you a recommendation codewise. So >> natural gas. >> We want natural gas. >> Natural gas. >> There's no discussion on natural gases. Natural gas. >> Well, then that's his first time here.
>> Thank you for for sharing that with us. I'm glad we caught that. But we absolutely have to have natural gas. >> Of course. Absolutely. So currently we will go with the natural gas design that actually does reduce the overall size of the generator which makes it really nice for us.
>> Yeah, exactly. You won't have a tank. The maintenance cycle is much much better with natural gas. So it totally makes sense to go that route. Um, of course it's going to be 240 single phase connection. Uh, it's direct from the line. Um, we've already uh gotten SPL starting involved in that process. So
that's going to be um taken care of. There's already a pole on the site. The only thing they have to install is the transform report. So it makes it really really simple for us. Um otherwise do you guys have any questions, concerns or comments on the electrical design? >> Um how are we sizing that generator now?
Is it for certain systems or are we doing it as a full standby or full >> operational standby? So it's the full backup of the entire facility. >> I don't know those terms. So we run everything >> because your doors because your doors
your bay doors are motorized also. >> Correct. >> And so you have to make sure that we have that. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Quick comments. I did speak with the fire marshall about what Lucas just said and he agreed that it should be a full backup system. >> Yeah. Um, on one of the sheets, Lucas
had shown electrical outlets and maybe TV or computer, things like that. Okay. So, it would be good for people in the fire department and me to sit down and go over that to make sure that these are in the right location. You have to think about what the bid will be, what the furniture will be, and that kind of
stuff in virtually every space. So, if you have a method of printing those out, I gave it to Sharita. She had a copy of everything that you're seeing today and that can be printed down at 11 by7 or 24 by 36. At that
point it would be full scale and then you gentlemen can get together and say hey I want an outlet here a TV here computer here you know some special little device the ice maker in the tool room need to locate where that is and there was a welding circuit that was requested. So those factors things need
to be specifically identified because you want them in the right place. And we we were trying to optimize these. I wouldn't say minimize them, but you don't want to have an outlet. Gee, I never used that outlet. I paid $300 for it. Don't do that. >> Mind if Lucas.
>> So, uh, one thing I like to do in the beginning of my design, especially something when we're at a Mac design like this, if you guys would like to, if you want to zoom in on more of the dorm areas and stuff like that. Uh, so generally what I like to do is put more outlets than required. So I would
encourage you guys if you think for example we have everything labeled such as the dorm room. If you think one receptacle is completely sufficient feel free to cross off any that you guys deem is uh essential. I will say they're all likelihood we're not going to have to add for sure from this design. We're
going to reduce them. So, please take the time. I would like, but just wanted to kind of put that as a note that [clears throat] everything in here is more than sufficient. It's more of just the removal process at this point on. >> Thank you. >> And I will say this from a cost perspective. Um, designing it like this,
we we had a brand new build out we did for our public works facility in Atlantic Beach and we went with a design like this because you just don't know how you're going to configure it and to put it in later, it's going to cost way more than to do it now. What what is the cost per per switch that we're talking about right now? I think
>> per outlet [laughter] from an outlet. >> We have >> $300 cost overall cost four times that. >> Right. Right. I I I say you go in with that's my my advice.
>> You can never have enough outlets. [laughter] >> This is definitely sufficient more than >> Good job on that. >> Thank you again, guys. Thank you. >> Thank you. You just had >> back to the
>> electrical. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> So, one concern that I have is scroll up. So, if you look at this uh image right here, it says cascade system. You have
it connected to the gear storage room. Correct. with no exterior door for the gasket system. >> That's correct. >> Currently, you have problems with gear off gasing when we take it off. >> Correct. >> So, you are literally going to have us
filling an air bottle connected to a room, which is the only door to the outside. So, you can't draw fresh air into the cascade system without pulling in through the gear. >> Okay. Charles, you want to speak to that? We've addressed that, but maybe Charles want to speak to that.
>> Yes. >> You could actually flip back to the mechanical plan on that. >> You have to get out of this bottle. Back to [clears throat] >> go to the M3.1. >> [clears throat]
>> All right. You can zoom in on that bucker gear. Oops. Sorry. Okay. PDF weird one. >> Zoom in on the >> Yeah. NX. Okay. So,
what we have here is we have in the cascade room a small duckless lit. The set ones have a knockout to put fresh air into them. So, we're slightly pressurizing that room. >> Okay. >> There's an exhaust fan in the gear locker. We're just going to draw air through it and keep that room under
negative with relationship to the cascade room. >> So, we keep the door closed on that room if we're filling bottles. >> You can keep it keep it closed. There may >> you do an undercut on the door to make sure that relationship is continued in there. But one, but our concept is to keep that room slightly pressurized.
Keep this one negative so it is not going to be drawing in. Okay. So, we would need to put signage up in there for anybody doing that work to keep the door closed. >> I don't think that would be required because the m the mechanical systems are
keeping that scenario constant in there. Um, >> I don't think that would matter. >> Okay. >> Okay. So the room where the cascade system is will be under positive pressure and the gear lockers will be
negative pressure. So an outgassing of equipment in the gear lockers will always be discharged and will suck literally from the cascade system. So it'll get fresh air to discharge. >> Okay. Should be fool foolproof. >> Okay.
>> Captain, does that alleviate your concern? Okay. Commissioner, >> I have a question for Mr. >> Yes, ma'am. So, I don't really know anything about systems of pressure. What guarantees that it's foolproof?
>> What guarantees that it will always work? You just said it is a foolproof system. >> Well, again, >> I mean, is there any >> one side is positive pressure? So, it's always pushing air in. >> What you're talking about the heating and air system. >> That's correct. >> Okay. What if it breaks? What if it is
not functional at any particular time? [clears throat] And obviously there's a a breach in the system and needs to be restored. >> So then what how do they operate properly while there is a problem with the system? >> Is there going to be a sensor in there
to to indicate to them that there's an issue? Kind of like you have a a smoke alarm. Is there an alarm sensor in there to tell them if something's not operating correctly? >> And in this case, Charles, I love your opinion that that's where the condition here comes from as well. Correct. And
that's why >> so there's always there sorry >> nothing is completely full. >> You can't you can't mitigate every single risk unless you're going to install double of what everything is. >> Um a precautionary
uh format if we're if we're sticking with the door leading into the gear lock room and we're going to maintain that design. A precautionary format would be to put one of the NO2 CO sensors in the room to alarm if it detects elevated
amounts of that gas. >> Okay. So there so there is a sensor. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Does that help you? >> Actually I didn't think of the sensor part. I just thought if the whole system is down for any reason and they do go
down since there's no outside door, how much loss of function will the fire department have today? Um there there shouldn't be a lot of a loss of function if the system were to go down. You're
going to instantly feel it when the door opens. And there's only two to three personnel that usually fill bottles. myself being one of them, I'm an air tech air pack technician. So, um, usually there's only going to be two to three people filling it out and you're going to be able to tell just it with it
being pressurized, you're going to be able to feel it when you open the door, >> right? >> So, >> I guess what I'm saying is if the need to fill these files um would you know, how would that affect your overall operations at any given time or do you
always have backups available? We always have backups available. Even if the system were to go down, we've got up to 10 models on the rack. And at least >> that's what that's what I want. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you, ma'am.
>> Uh let's look at the one that says number 15. Okay, we've we've looked at this before. What I did with this spreadsheet was to compare the Hawthorn facility uh which is second column on the left to what
we're doing for our project [clears throat] which is the right hand column. The other column is empty. So that's the column right there. Yes. Scroll to the bottom please. Two things I want to say about this. You see, in many cases, there's a a letter
which follows the number like 33A, 33B, 33. These are additional topics that Mr. Black has included in his breakdown in addition to what we had in the Hoffman breakdown and he'll continue to expand these categories after we revised our
cost. Um, the other thing of course is Hoffman project did sell performance site utilities and that their cost was about $300,000. That's line 36. Their bid price was over was over 500,000. So, they were able to
save some money. Now, I'm of the opinion that the city of Crescent City will not be able to sight perform a lot of their work. I understood from Mr. Harris and Mr. Martin that we will be able to clean clean the site and get it prepared for
construction. And I I was of the opinion that the Crescent City Natural Gas could also do the natural gas outside of the contract, which basically would provide gas to the site, which would be available to the contractor for his use. So, those are things I think that the
city might want to try to capitalize on. And now I'm going to refer to the summary that I passed out this morning. I want to highlight on the first page that the additive alternate number one for Mr. Black's initial review was about it was $290,000
for you see that mayor on the sheet that I found out this morning. >> Page one. >> Okay. Page one. Okay. >> All right. All commissioners have that page two at the top. Additive is about $17,000.
Okay. And Mr. Rosen, I think we can make this such that if you choose alternate two and not alternate one, you'll still get the benefit of the county. Alternate three was the source capture system Charles. So we do want to keep that as an alternate and we've added an alternate for this discussion which will
be number four which will be the grease trap and the whole water separator and the piping and so on. So that'll be number four and the price of that has to be determined. I'll remind you that alternates require us as consultants all to design these things two separate ways. So there's some additional expense
on here. opposing book team, not to ask for more money, but but this is our goal to give you the options and and let make the choice. U Patrick and I have discussed an alternate on the metal building um which he thinks could save
some money, but it would limit our options for alternates. So, I'm not going to consider that right now. I want to see more of what that is. Item C, I mentioned to you before we're we're going to eliminate panic hardware. are going to use conventional hardware. The
overhead doors are, as far as I'm concerned, are going to be top of the line, impact resistant, insulated with operators, remote operators and so on. And photo array to keep fire trucks from blocking the entrance and and hitting
the door. So, we'll be install HVAC systems will be split systems with auxiliary many split units as necessary. Uh like the Hawthorne station, we are going to use epoxy flooring virtually
everywhere the helellipad has been deleted. Okay. >> Can I I'm sorry. Let me ask you a question about the epoxy flooring. At one point we were talking about doing the polished concrete. Yes. >> I see on here where you've got LBT flooring >> and I thought we had eliminated the LBT.
>> Maybe I'm looking at the wrong one. >> Oh, that might have been Steve had an old number in his estimate. I'm sorry. >> So, we're eliminating the LBT. >> We're eliminating. Correct. And we were going to go to a polished concrete. Now, is the polished concrete you're putting in epoxy? Where's the epoxy going? And
how long does it what's the lifespan of the epoxy? And what's the upkeep compared to the polished concrete? >> Okay. I I I would just have to check on some warranties on the products. Okay. >> You see what I'm I mean, >> I understand. >> Okay.
>> Okay. What happened was I know Mayor we had talked about using polished concrete and I think there was a little bit of resistance from the fire department on the polished concrete because it's hard to repair should there be damage to the floor. Um the epoxy was again what was used in the Hong Kong station. It was
used even in the apparatus pack which I thought was really pretty good. Um so I thought that we had agreed to use the epoxy. One of the things I like about it is it's turned up at the edge. Okay. >> So there's no joint. So it comes up at the edge and so it seals it. So there's a seal there. It creates that seal.
Okay. I just didn't know. I just wanted to make sure that we had eliminated the LBT. >> We had and I can do some more research on the epoxy and the warranties >> and the epoxy is the best thing and it has the you know the lifespan that it needs and for their concern you know
>> they're living on it. >> They're living on it not us. Okay. Um, >> are you looking at like polyaspartic alternatives to the epoxy as well? >> I haven't done that so far. >> Can you look into that? >> I can. >> It's better than the It's better.
>> Pick the better. >> It's Oh, I'm saying it's going to last longer than the epoxy. >> You should check it. The the difference I think between a polish concrete versus the epoxy is that it's turned up at the outside edges and there's no joint kind
of >> um on page two paragraph five those are owner direct purchase um processes or owner furnish contractor install and Steve had mentioned these I think these
are all good ideas like the lift station that would be owner furnish contractor installed. Grease interceptor. I think that's for the kitchen. Steve here. Overhead doors could be owner furnish contractor installed. And the pre-engineered metal building could be
owner direct purchase. HBAC units. Uh lighting package generator gear lockers. All these things could be owner purchase direct purchase. >> Okay. May I have a question? Just to clarify this question for Mr. Taylor. So, the items that are owner direct
purchase, they're still included in the what was our last meeting, the 2.7 million plus that if if an item is going to be owner direct purchase, are you still including the cost in the grand
total? >> Yes, it will be paid for by the grant. Mr. Martin, I'm talking about that. >> Okay. Just double checking. >> Yes. >> Okay. And if the uh question city natural gas performs or if there's materials and equipment required for the city to do the clearing and grading, I
think those costs would all be allowable. >> And I think you said before um but on those owner direct purchase or furnished items then um that would save us a little bit on the percentage overhead.
>> The state taxes state taxes is a big savings there. >> The state taxes. >> Yes, ma'am. Okay. >> Because the city is taxing. >> Thank you. >> Is there is there any I don't see in here, but is there a contingency built into these um into these totals?
>> General. >> Okay. That's what I was wondering. Where do you have that set at? >> Okay. I don't know if y'all heard that in the numbers that we have right now. He's got about a five or to 6% contingency built in the totals. So, just wanted y'all to know. I didn't see
a spread line. >> It doesn't have line. >> There's no specific line item. It's in all the totals. >> Each one is spread. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Yeah. I mean, we're so early in the design phase right now >> that um everything that that's been I've estimated I've always estimated at the
high end. >> Okay. >> Thank you. except where we got some open doors got clos but I've been estimating at very higher end of that range or a specific unit cost uh to help build that cont.
>> Okay, thank you. >> Yeah, question for >> this document. Uh I'm at the bottom of page two, item six. We talked about reducing the amount
of flexible and bridging pavement as much as possible. And um I don't know, Alex, if we can do more than what we've already done as far as seeing the scope of the work, >> right? just just the amount of concrete at the apparatus space reducing that to
about 3 to 5 ft and maybe do the asphalt and and at the top of page three and small Crescent City Land Development Code will allow some grass parking. Do you want to entertain that or you want to think about that? >> Well, I'm sorry. What did you just say?
>> Uh the Crescent City Land Development Code will allow some grass parking stabilized in grass parking. you require to have eight plus one. We've got that. And the parking across the aisle would be crash. The driveways would be as
>> I mean, let's look at our current fire station. >> How how many how many cars do we typically have parked there on any given day? There was one there this morning. Sometimes there's none. >> So, you know, we
are we okay with having just the eight? I think it's more than enough. >> If if you reduce it >> community event at the station, I don't see anything wrong with grass or even the gravel as long as it's >> further away from the station.
>> But I mean, you shouldn't expect a huge turnout at the station. If anything, you might have a couple stations show up, but they're coming in their trucks to fill up air bottles or something like that. So >> I mean as far as civilian people parked or civilian vehicles parking a plus one
should >> so we'll proceed in that >> everyone's comfortable with that [laughter] >> and that'll then reduce a little bit of your site work your pond correct your dry >> yeah so we'll save some on >> a little bit asphalt and >> you know and maybe a little bit on site
water retention we're getting in there uh the the ponds are designed to accommodate the base pit as far as we know without any expansion capabilities. However, as you expand the station, it can be expanded. >> Absolutely. >> Right.
>> Um balance and cut fill were planned to use to fill the retention ponds as part of the building as much as possible. I mean that gets that gets back into >> the pond the ponds being big enough just for what you're designing the base. It
it can either be tightened up just to to satisfy the treatment attenuation for the phase one or they can be expanded a little bit to get additional fill material >> to not have to import. So it's a it's
it's a balancing act to to balance the site. >> Personally, I would prefer the ladder. >> Exactly. Yeah. >> And then use that fil. >> And right now they're just designed for the base bid, not the alternative, not the alternative bay.
>> A1 is included. I assume a grade was in there. Okay. >> Okay. >> So in that respect, they are both alternate one. You already have the concrete pad. So that's been kind of important in the design. Okay. >> Alternate two is not because that's >> right. And as Mr. Taylor mentioned
previously, we got the geotech report back like a day or two before this uh CD set was or DD set was provided. So right now as pods as shown, they are they are they have more capacity than needed for
the base bid right now. >> So and if we went a little larger. So if someone for some reason if we were to have to do something next to that's where I was saying if we made sure that we kept that extra acreage and we're not sitting right in the middle they could possibly also utilize that that pond if
we made it a little larger. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> Yes ma'am. >> Very good. >> Um other things that Alex and I will consider is optimizing the interior curbs and gutters to only place them where absolutely necessary. asphalt is a
little bit more susceptible to erosion because of absence of curbs and gutters. Um and and the last one we bounced around a couple of times requirements for landscaping and irrigation may be reduced or even eliminated at the discretion of the city the way the LDC is written.
So you want to consider that what are we going to do there? Well, I mean it just depends on I guess we would have to look at what we'll be doing for irrigation. What we would be doing for the irrigation, [clears throat] especially if we're
going to have to s any of it. Keith, >> your thoughts on that with irrigation? >> Uh I don't know whether we could run it from the wastewater plant and use reclaim water.
As long as it's not hitting the building and we don't get that metal and all that actually. >> Yeah. But you could but we could do that. Okay. And that would take care that would take care of the irrigation portion of it and then the landscaping.
I mean could our guys not if we bought if we purchased >> we could selfperform that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Let's you see on the um breakout there items uh 33G and 33H
the landscaping and grass was 16,500 irrigation is 11,000. >> So so in the budget we had $27,500 for those items and that's just an estimate. Yeah, there's no landscaping
plan. That's just how much area I do X. So >> that's gonna tighten up. >> Okay. >> And you know, we might get to the end and we might have, you know, we might have some reserved ones. So, >> okay.
>> But the chief I'm going to back up just one second. The chief had asked me some questions [clears throat] about the estimate of probably construction costs and he took exception to a couple of things. And I'm glad Steve is here to talk about this. Um, and this is on page
one at the top. Steve had included a couple thousand dollar in round numbers for small tools. In most general contracts between the owner and the contractor, there is an allowance for tools to be replaced, >> right? >> You can imagine [laughter] that a contractor comes to a job and he has a
variety of tools in his possession that he will use for the project. And he would also anticipate that some of these tools would be lost or broken or stolen. And so he's going to put a dollar amount in his contract to cover that. And that's what Steve would put a number in there.
And I think if you said we're not going to pay for your small schools, he would just increase his general condition sometimes. >> Well, and then that typical because often times even when you're building [snorts] when you're building a house, they they put in for that, you know, if if they break if they break a saw
something, you know, you end up paying for that. It's a saw blade. If they need an additional saw blade, >> right? you end up paying for that. So, >> yeah. Yeah, you can eliminate it. I mean, it's it's an expense to the contractor and typically you're going to have to pay that. So, I'm sorry, but we
just it's there. Drone services again, um Steve's has seen this a lot more in commercial projects where it's a fairly economical line item. He had a few thousand dollars in air for drone services and we can tell the contractor
we don't want to pay for that. So again, if he opts to do that, then he'll put some money in there and do that on their own. >> So that is specifically for monthly progress reporting back to the owner to show you overhead shots of the job site, even video on the job site on a monthly
orever whatever uh regular scheduled basis you want. And I'm just seeing it more and more in public work. >> Yeah. And definitely on private work because we like contractors like to show you photographs and things in the progression of of the project, right?
>> And by giving you, you know, by monthly or even just monthly overhead shots, you kind of get a sense of what's going on on your job site. It's also a record for us to be able to tell you what's going on in your job site in case something happens, whether it's weather, theft, whatever it may be. Um, and so it's
optional. I just put it in there as a recover. Again, building an estimate at this age at this time the project is trying to capture as many worst case scenarios as possible to reduce your risk down the road. >> So, so
what are we doing? Are we deleting it or are we keeping it in there? >> Well, I'm going to keep it. >> Okay. >> Because he has it in this budget that we're looking at and we think it's a valuable service that the city could [laughter] benefit from. It's not terribly expensive. And I'm kind of thinking that's along the other line
that he would do it anyway. He just wouldn't share it with me. >> If we thought he was going to share it with us, it would get the benefit of it. >> I Yeah, I think I think that would, you know, even if we didn't even have to do it monthly, if we did it every two
months or whatever, >> the irrigation part of the job we've already talked about, I address M Chief Riser's concerns. Basically, that's something we're going to have to do to comply with the city orders. Simply stated, no short and closure. We already
talked about the final cleaning and the site work. Uh the chief had proposed that the fire department personnel do final cleaning and Steve may want >> final cleaning on the building. >> Yeah. >> On the entire So, a construction clean. >> Yes, ma'am.
>> Oh, of no. [laughter] Have any of you ever done construction clean? >> It's a lot more tedious and difficult than you might expect. >> So, what they're talking about, Commissioner Devito, is at the very end
before you turn the property over, you go in and everything is clean. >> I get that part. What I don't get is, but thank you. I did get that part. But so, are you wanting the contractor to take care of it or >> Yes. because I would assume that we
don't want to take that on for our staff. That that's what they >> Well, and they're not skilled in that. And so you go in and somebody all of a sudden takes a razor blade to a window and they don't have water on it. >> Um then you scratched up a window and so then who's responsible? So that's a
responsibility thing too because that responsibility would lie would come back on us where really the contractor if they're doing it and and oftentimes a contractor will find things that the average person cleaning will not find
>> um when they're doing those final yes and I agree with you the building is [clears throat] not complete until they presented it. Um, I really don't understand the need for drone services for um, project reports. It would seem to me
that when the contractor when anyone on this job is sending in a bill that [clears throat] they send you an itemized record of what they've done and if necessary they take a photograph. I mean, this isn't that
large of a project. Um, I'm I'm just not understanding why we have to be charged for zone services for updates on a building. They're going to be billing us periodically anyway. Is that not correct? Yeah,
>> it's good information. We just talked about this, Commissioner Do. >> I know. And I'm coming back to it. >> Okay. Well, the comment was and and Steve, >> I heard I heard the comment. I mean, this is not a skyscraper. is is a large technically it's a one-story
building although for a very tall building um taller than your average one story building I mean to me it just seems >> it's best service I I put in the estimate under the general conditions it's not a requirement if the county
decides not to pursue that that's fine >> no we're okay he he he so here's here's my the reason I'm raising it we're not the county. Not that they're a well county either, but we are >> we know what you're talking about, >> right? We're a very cost constrained
small city who are trying to keep within the funding parameters of a specific dollar amount from the legislature. So, that's why I'm saying um it just I don't know what the price tag on it is either. So, there you go.
[snorts] >> I would also add that Yeah. have to go back. >> Okay. >> I mean, not only is it not only is it valuable for us as a commission to know what's going on, it's valuable for us to share with the public and so as the
progress goes on, people want to know what's going on and we can put it on our website so they can get and watch the drone video and see the update every month. So, I mean, I think that that's something that >> and I don't know that we I I understand.
I I think let's let's split the baby here. So maybe we don't have maybe we don't have the full every month and [clears throat] see if that could reduce the cost but maybe quarterly or every two months like I
said earlier and this will just give a snapshot of it'll give us a snapshot as well as to what's going on on the property. $2,000. >> Yeah. >> And you know, it could be very it could be very beneficial. This is an exciting
thing too. So we could also use this as an opportunity to share with the public, you know, this is what your tax dollars is doing for you >> and also promote the city >> and promote the city that we're building this and and have a continuous. So for
for $2,000 um right >> I I see both sides of it, but I also think that you know the more information we share because again we've tucked this outside the city I mean not outside the city limits but we've tucked it off the main road and a lot of people don't
drive that way so they might not see it and so this will be a good opportunity for us to keep it in the forefront of everyone's thoughts. I know it's small dollars, but would there be any objection of doing it in house? We have >> members of the fire department, myself
that have drones that he does that great drone footage >> and we can share the footage. I'm just if it's 2,000, it's 2,000 and it's not a lot of money, but >> Commissioner,
thank you. Just my concern was at the prior meeting where Mr. Taylor did this review. I think there was some discussion of um to come in under budget, we might have to leave off some of the interior finishings. You asked
question does the 2.7 million that was estimated include all the interior furnishings that it was not. So that that just um is part of my concern 2,000 [cough] for the TVs. >> Pardon? >> 2,000 to [clears throat] pay for the TVs for the dormitories. Well, I mean
there's different things that it could go to. >> So, >> so you work that I think. >> Yeah, >> we'll work that out. >> Yeah, Derek, you and and is everybody in agreement? Derek, you and Mr. Taylor, y'all work that out based on the comments that you're receiving here and see if there's something a solution and
if they're comfortable with us doing it in house, we can do it in house. Um, as long as we're able to provide updates. >> Yes, ma'am. And also >> consensus from everyone that we provide updates. Absolutely. Okay. Great idea. >> Um, and and the contractor, depending on
who they are, some contractors actually have cameras that they install as part of their their base. I mean, that's what they do for for their security, for progress, and we can always talk to them about sharing that information. So, we'll we'll do what we can. I want to just let the commission know earlier I
asked a question about contingency and and if it was built in, and it's actually built in. Typically, you see a line item in the in there for contingency. These numbers are high. None of the value engineering that we talked about really reflect here. And if you take that 6% out, you're sitting
around $2 and a half million dollars, give or take. Two and a half million. So, um, >> the only thing we spent money on right now is all this planning. >> That's it. >> Okay. So, when when are we shovel ready? When when are we going to get going and
and see what the costs actually are going to be? because I think the longer we wait all of this is uh [clears throat] going to get worse and the cost is all going to go up higher >> and it's like okay we can talk about it talk about it and talk about it when are
we actually going to be doing it >> commissioner Burton that's a great comment we're here today to help you understand what this scope of the work is and give the commission an opportunity to do exactly what you're doing question and answer our next step and at the bottom
of this presentation I'm going to say to the commission, will you approve this phase? And you can say it's approved or approved with comments or approved subject to subsequent presentations because it's not just one and done. >> Yeah. >> But this next phase is a detailed
construction document preparation which will expand on what you've seen before and we and our consultants will take advantage of your recommendations and concerns and strive to the best of our ability to keep this guy in budget. >> Yeah.
Again, we we can't guarantee anything. I mean, it could be World War II before we get to that. But >> uh I have a question on the 25A the case work custom lockers for 44,000. What? >> Yeah. So, I've done I've estimated a
couple fire stations very recently and most of them have done custom mil work for the lockers. >> Uhu >> and they're very expensive. Um and and the chief has already commented on that where I think he he's finally doing a standard kind of metal locker off the shelf which is fine.
>> Uh if I can get a spec or someone tell me what they want then I can go ahead and and price that >> and and get that into the estimate. So that number is going to come right there. >> Sure.
>> But uh the lockers are very expensive. >> I can provide that information. All right. Thank you. Good. Good question. >> They remove the gear extractors from this. >> They were always optional anyway. Yeah. >> Okay. So, those were removed. >> Yeah. >> So, even at the estimate, they were they
were optional. So, we're not part of the number. >> They were listed as optional. >> Do we need the gear extractors or >> No, we've actually got two plus a gear dryer. So, that's a >> So, we can Are they How new are they? >> Uh, one of them is being delivered this
week. >> Okay. until this project is done. >> Okay. And just I mean we just want to make sure that we're not taking anything that's outdated that are old and if it went but with new stuff. That's good. That's that's good. Um
>> what did Hawthorne do for their rollup doors over there? >> Where did they get them? >> Yeah. Where did >> overhead doors? >> Are we getting the same one? >> I don't know >> because our cost is really high compared to theirs. >> Number 14. and and I don't know if he's the same guy, but it is an overhead door
system. >> So, let me expand on it. You know, Bob went out and and worked with the local overhead door company rep, >> right? >> Uh I pric a job and I'm actually going to start building it uh next beginning next month for Nassau County Fire
Station Edition. Um, and as I was getting overhead door numbers, I was getting from three different overhead door company representatives and I got three different prices. >> So, when the GC goes to actually buy these things out, they're going to find
the most competitive price they can get. >> Okay? >> Right? So, you have a number from overhead door company that is a placeholder for your for your your dollars for this. >> Okay? >> Um, and you don't have to go to overhead door company. there's other manufacturers out there you can go to to get to get a more cost effective door if
you choose to and depending on the spec and how it's written right to you guys. >> So there you have a you have a place for and I wanted and I wanted to explain this on the estimate. When people think of estimates they think that we've gone through and looked at every screw every nut every bolt every piece of I don't
have that level of detail. So what we did what I did in this estimate was I looked at assemblies systems and in some cases uh actual unit cost for certain aspect put it in but without a a a full set of
design drawers was just responding to for that that previous question [clears throat] I don't have a full list of bill of materials yet so my estimates and that's why I said there's a built-in contingency because I'm looking at systems so what is my HBAC system or what is this particular time HBC system
what's it typically cost um electrical basically you know generator you guys are doing that originally >> but anyway so I'm looking at certain things as a system or an assembly uh versus going into true unit cost of I got this many studs this many square
feet all the way down as we get more detail in the drawings the estimate will come more detail and typically we'll come down because we're getting into tighter numbers as opposed to higher level unit
costs and and it's it's done that way intentionally because at the beginning of a project you want to capture your worst case scenarios and all your contingencies and as that stoope gets further defined you can hone in the estimate and get tighter and tighter and tighter. So it's an upside down trend >> and this is one of those items that we
can also offset some cost by owner direct purchase too. >> Absolutely. >> So I just want you all to look at that line item. There's money savings there. And then I had a question too. What the ones I guess we're going to price it out, but these also have a component that they can also be manually ran just in case. Correct.
>> Manually open. [clears throat] >> Oh yeah. >> But so yeah, I mean >> like a disconnect chain. >> And that's kind of that's a mechanical question too in terms of code. If they're manually if they're manually operated um they may then you can answer
this. They may require actually true ventilation system because those doors could remain open closed. But on a power operated door, um you can probably >> know if the power goes out and they they're not working,
even if there's something wrong with the generator. There, let's just say something massive happens. >> Yeah. You disconnect them and manually open them. I just want to make sure we have that capability. That's all. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, that that is Yes.
>> Ballards. Um I know we talked about you talked about putting some ballards in the parking I mean in the um >> next to the bay on either side of the door. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And by the dumpster too. There was one last question that the
chief had asked me and I want to address this item six from the first chief about his site work about the chief had proposed that he be allowed to do site work and there are a lot of issues about that. We talked about some of the issues relative to responsibility and obviously
coordination and control between the cyber contractor and the general contractor. So I spoke to Mr. Martin prior to the meeting is in view of these things we decided that it's not a good idea uh to separate the site work from the general contract. Uh and that's
basically what I instruct Alex to do is be in in a single contract. I know there was a potential cost saving but there's also potential liability. >> Yeah. Yeah. I would think so as a general contractor that they might not even be willing to bid on that because
of a liability that if we don't do our site work correctly and ultimately you have crack something you know you never know what could happen [clears throat] could be a lot of issues. So that that would be the response relative to to that last item. So with that is there
further questions I'm going to move back to page three. >> It could be about the signage in that contracting. Did the city handle the signage? Public works would put up all the stop signs, all the signage. >> Oh, the signage signage could be provided by owner signage. >> Yeah. All of that. We'd save that money
out of the site work contract. So, >> so I mean as long as >> you just need to make sure that any of these things that that's owner purchase that it's still wrapped into the entire project. Yes, >> that's very
typically what you'll see from a general contractor an ODP program is you will not see the cost of material in their estimate, right? Just the labor do um unless you're like the metal building unless you're going to pay for the entire installation and erection and then you wouldn't see it all in our
estimate. It would be all in your in your line item budget. Um typically you buy a metal building and you want you want the erection too. Could you um I'm sorry. Would you I hate to ask you this but >> and explain that please.
>> I know. >> Tell us back. It's safe back there. >> Yeah. We're no DP program. Like I just said, as a as a general contractor, you would not see any of the material costs in their estimate. Only only the labor to install. If it's a furniture
installed by the owner, you won't see it at all on our in our other than some coordination. >> So that would be like us buying >> if you bought the metal building. >> If we bought the metal building kit and then they would put it together. So that >> so they would they would they would fabricate it and erect it and all you
would see in our in ours would be part of our general conditions with the coordination. >> Okay. >> Um but that could be a big savings to because you know being a public job there's typically no sales tax anyway for for material. There's no sales tax on labor, but we are saving overhead
and then market, you know, on top of on top of the >> the contractor would have on. Well, now yeah, you're still going to pay the manufacturer overhead and profit, but you don't see it on our group. So, some of these, that's why Bob was saying some of these big ticket
items, HBAC, the generator, milk building, uh, you buy that and they take that material out of our end labor out of contract. You're saving a lot of money. >> Can we buy the concrete direct? >> That's getting a little uncommon,
>> but can we? I I guess technically you buy anything that you want, but >> I would save money. >> Um well, you're saving >> no taxes. >> Well, you're not going to. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Public jobs do not pay tax. Typically,
and nonprofits don't don't pay tax on material. >> So, if you're buying it, you're still paying the overhead, >> right? Yes. So, it sounds like this gentleman and I'm sorry, could you repeat your name? Uh, Steve Black.
>> Okay. What Mr. Black says sounds different than the response that Mr. Taylor made when I asked the question about where do we save the money and also the overall cost of the job. So, Mr. Taylor said the savings if we buy
things are in the sales tax. Mr. Black is saying no, this we don't there's no sales tax for >> typically a public job anyway. >> Exactly. But we would save the money in the overall contract overhead. >> You have to pretend,
>> right? That's what you just said. But then the other concern I have, which is what I asked the question about, and sounds to me like you're asking about, is when we're doing the overall budget on our side to know, is this going to come in under the $3 million, are the
things we buy for ourself, including in Mr. Taylor's overall estimate of cost here or do we need to keep it running total >> the latter >> separate keep >> so you want to have two pools of money for if you're new to ODP you need two
pots of money you need what you're going to buy >> yes >> and furnish by yourselves and then what's in your general contract so you got two pots of money and the more OBP you do the larger that pot gets obviously um whether you can transfer internally within your own accounting
you know the general money the project into another account. >> Yeah. >> You know, that's all going to have to be purchased on the front end and then reimburseable >> through the app recreation. >> So,
Miss Mr. Taylor, will you keep track of that for us or do we need to do that at the city staff and commission level? The the contractor purchase versus the owner purchase. There's usually three parties
involved. The owner, the architect, and the contractor. The contractor will also keep track of ODP items or in some cases tax exempt items, but that really won't probably won't happen here because they already are, but that's for a church,
for example, uh they they'll be tax exempt on certain things that they might not others. uh and they typically have a a limit on their owner direct purchase items and you know nothing over $50,000 or they'll set a cap and so the general contractor the architect and the owner
will will maintain a log of all these items now for planning that's during construction but for planning purposes >> yeah it really becomes YouTube present city and >> to put that list together and I as an
estimator I'll work with you that as well but I'm not necessary building it I'm just destinations >> to help maintain an organized list of what you're going to ODP >> or OFC owner furnish owners involved is basically the same thing.
>> Okay. When we take this out to bid, are you done, Commissioner? I'm sorry. When we take this out to bid, are we going to have to have that show that what would I would think? So, so when it goes out to bid, so that general contractor will
know what we'll be purchasing and what they would be responsible for. >> Yeah, that would be another part of your >> So, we'll have to have that. We'll have to have that, you know, >> RFP, ITV, whatever it's going to be. You don't have to put dollar amounts on it. You just tell what it is, >> just what what they will get.
>> But you need to be very clear about what that relationship is going to be. >> Furnish versus installed versus owner furnish contract installed. And then you want to add some clear definition of what that scope item is. They understand what the coordination is or installation are. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. >> So well that's that's good to know too that it wouldn't just be furnished but we would be furnishing but they would be doing the install so that they so they know that. Okay, that's great. Thank you. >> Thank you, Steve.
>> Do we have any any other concerns that you have, Mr. Taylor, based on >> not with reference to anything we recently discussed, but I would like to kind of finish this up. I'll try to go as quickly as possible. I had one. So [clears throat]
>> line item back up at the line item nine for that concrete that that includes all of the concrete that was on that plan plus the alternative >> on my original on my original note. The alternatives were add part of that 27. >> Okay.
>> So but that you know so add all one or the base bit already includes the concrete slab for the for the >> the third bay that's already in the base. Okay. >> Um, now alternate two was the standard concrete and and >> Okay.
>> So, as far as the concrete concerns, you got the third bay already included. >> Perfect. And then I know this a huge cost which we already c we already talked about that. So, you have just a pull in very high number. This is also an area for
savings. >> It's also based on a bit of today's concrete dollar. It's scary. As we discussed, we got some pretty heavy foundations. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Very good.
>> Before we finish up, I just as a matter of time. This is going We weren't going to do anything, but does everybody do you want um us to order just a couple? I think we could do probably maybe just three sets. Just something for a snack. What are we wanting? What are we wanting
to do, Commission? >> I Something Yeah. >> Okay. >> Something to be ready. >> Okay. Could you do that for us, Bonnie? And then we'll take a break >> and then >> just Well, I'm in the middle of page three.
Okay. Basically, it's just reading off the agenda. >> That's fine. I'm just I'm doing some housekeeping. I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> No worries. Thank you, ma'am. I'm on page three, article seven. >> [clears throat] >> Patrick and I have discussed reclassifying the building to a type
five which we would still leave the apparatus paid pre-engineered [clears throat] metal building but the business and dormatory area would be wood frame. We think we can save some money by doing that and I don't frame >> some of those. So ma'am >> I don't want any wood frame. There's too
many termites here in Florida. How long how long how long do you Okay. I I know I have a a stamp coming. not going to be here any longer and it probably lasts longer than me. But but the whenever you do things with wood here,
>> it it would be in the business area, Commissioner Mur, but the objective here is to lower the cost on some of these items to basically increase our contingency. Right now, the bottom line here is 2.7 million. We haven't purchased the alternate, so we need to
find some more things to bring it down so we can purchase alternate number one. So this is the framing of the business area. So is going to be you're proposing to do a wood frame rather than a metal framing. >> Yes. In that area. Yes. >> Do you want Commissioner Burton? Do you
want to hear the pros and cons of that? >> No. I mean, if she has some concerns, do you have the pros and cons? Is there is there what are the cons of going in a wood direction based on what Commissioner Burton cost >> has said? Well, I know the cost, but >> yeah. Well, the major con is the
construction type would change. Basically, we're we're designed now as a type 2B construction. 2B is non-combustible, but it's not protected, but it is framing. Type 5B is um anything according to the code basically
wood frame or structures like that are permitted. B means that it's not protected, but it would be fully structured. I did an analysis for the benefit of the fire marshall and we can still build
I got your data must be in contact here. It's a significant number here. Um somewhere between I'm going to say 28,000 and 54,000 square feet as a type 5B. Typically the total limits how much
you can build based on the construction type. So I don't really see that as a negative. Some of the other issues relative to that is how you protect the structure in a type 5B and a type 2B. The exterior walls are still zero requirement as far
as protection of the structure. So um the the major benefit I think is a cost reduction. I think Patrick and I are thinking about 10% or so on the cost of that part of the building. So that would be the major benefit. >> I don't need to draw this out. Can you explain what that means?
>> I'm sorry. >> Can you explain what you're saying? The um protecting the structure. >> Understand that term. I'm sorry, this is a little complicated, >> but this is what I did with the fire marshall.
>> Um, under type type 5B, this is what the code allows for area. >> Okay. >> Okay. And they vary a little bit depending on the classification, >> right? >> U so and the other thing that the code typically is interested is how many people you'll have in the building. The
base bid says 46 and additional square footage based on the alternate would be 52. So well under the requirements for the code fire stations have a lot more volume than they have people primarily because
ships and their equipment. >> Okay. So those were elements that were a concern to us. Again, remember I said fire rigs. The exterior the code says primary frame zero protection very long zero protection and so on. Same thing for type two. [clears throat]
It's not a full line of you have to recognize one of them is non-combustible >> by definition. The other one is >> I might remind you on our station we use type 5B >> because we tried to save money. So I
think what Commissioner Lord was was looking at is when you stated about protecting >> the structure, what are you talking about? Is that the exterior? >> Yeah. >> Well, the construction elements have to be protected against burning. A common
thing to do that is interior structures would be protected with drywall or fire protective materials. Exterior materials would be coated with cement or plaster or some type of fire protection materials or both. that that way if fire
attacks the build there minimum ratings you saw in these were required by code is zero but the ratings may be up to several hours for multi-story buildings >> one of our benefits is this is a single storage building >> and that's what we ran into over at our current fire station for the second
floor right because we didn't have we were I think we didn't >> type over there >> and you went to the second floor and other protections kick in when you go to the second And we didn't have and we didn't have that >> and it's how fast and how fast the
building will will burn. >> We got a different elements and there's a variety of these elements as you go through. >> Well, I'm hoping that because it's a fire station fire. [laughter] I'm always reminded of that. I know you notice that
um Roxan, remember the fire department and and Steve Martin had left the fire department and when he came back there was a great big 55gallon drum that was on fire. And Steve Martin says, "I wouldn't hope that our population would
think when you call the fire department to put out a fire, it would be a good thing." [laughter and clears throat] >> Anyway, sorry. >> Anyways, I know what you do in your spare time, Mr. Taylor. [laughter] So, uh, again, just going down the list
type 7C, eliminate the faux wall finishes at the exterior. That's about $20,000. We can save a little money by going to the cement with fiber material. eliminate the metal framing and seating
and replace with full architectural metal panels. We had a system that Steve looked at and he felt like that we might be able to save some money. I haven't actually talked to the facult about doing that, but but that's a consideration. We'll look at that. Use pre-engineered metal panels as a
substrate for the business and dormatory facade of plywood. I know we talk about that. A turnkey building envelope. This is where we would award the whole contract for the building to a manufacturer, a pre-engineered dental building manufacturer, and he would have discretion over exterior doors and
windows and things like that. I haven't done that very often. Sometimes I will allow the pre-engineered building manufacturer to purchase doors and windows, but these are specialty doors on windows. So, I don't I don't know. Steve, do you want to speak on that? You
talked about the turnkey option for the freezer tunnel building. >> Yes. [clears throat] Sorry. Yes, sir. Some manufacturers like Newor, which is a big big big probably best out there, uh they will turn key the entire building perimeter, overhead
doors, windows, man doors. Um and there can be potential cost savings with that because because you're buying the entire envelope by one by by one person versus forcing it all out individually. And that's my thought was to maybe research that a little bit further. Um I
reached out to one building guy uh down in South Florida, they don't do that. Um, but he helped me get some good pricing on the building itself. >> So, that that number >> while you're
>> while you're still here, um, it says roofing and siding OC sighting and then we don't have a price. Is that >> what 11 >> on the estimation cost estimation
>> the table up here on the projector? >> Yeah. >> 11. >> Go to 11 roofing and sighting. >> We had no number for that. Um I would have to assume that was part of the metal building. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because it was part of the metal building. >> Okay. >> So part of kit basically.
>> Yeah. I mean building is the envelope. >> Yeah. >> Minus the openings. Okay. Um in in the estimate I had right now all the openings are priced separately as part of the door and window package a um that's >> okay >> but that'll change if we go to a frame
then we will have to put we will have >> so okay so knowing that does that still present a cost savings >> I believe so >> okay >> and really this independent type one and that's going to be more aesthetic and
performance A metal roof is a lot more expensive than like a good architectural shingle roof. Um the pre-engineered metal building will be a metal roof. >> But if you on the living quarters area, if you decide to do a you know wood frame and you put an asphalt shingle
roof on, which is fine. You can you can combine the two architectural look. It's up to y'all. But that'll be far less expensive than putting a 50-year metal roof on >> except for that's going to last 10 years. >> Well, it'll last longer. Yeah, true.
>> Um, but right now if you're looking at primarily budget and initial first cost, >> that's definitely approach you want to look at. >> Did Hawthorne did they mix Did they mix the metal with the >> It's all metal. Their building is metal
except for the business and the um dormatory area that has um I think they put plywood and they put cement with siding and the upper portion and they use concrete blocks for the lower portion. Okay. >> So, yeah. >> Oh, okay.
>> Okay. By the way, um Patrick and I talked about putting the same roof on the wood portion of the building that's on the metal portion of the building. I would be concerned about color and attachment and he and I think we can work that out. So, we will have the same roof on it.
Okay. Uh plumbing. Uh we talked about the trench frames and we decided to include that as an alternate. Uh if the authority having jurisdiction would allow an open cut across old highway 17 that's possible that we now I can look at that. You don't have to worry about
it but I think that's an option that perhaps Alex I can't remember if Alex or Steve offered that an open cut rather than direct chemical war. Typically open cuts would be cheaper. >> Yeah. Yeah. Except for where did Keith at? Um,
>> we have to work that out. >> Yeah. >> County. That's county road. >> Correct. >> Mr. Harris didn't want to do that. I remember he >> he didn't want to do he he wanted to do a >> want to do an open cut. >> Yeah, he wanted to do a directional. >> Yeah, he does. Okay.
>> And item A on page five, we've already talked about. And then there's some control issues relative to the overhead doors. Lucas, you and I can look at relative to how we
address the evacuation or exhausting neighborhood phase. So we need to work on that. We already talked about fire ducks. We're going to use conventional network. There is no biamerican act. We talked about the generator has to be large
enough to accommodate the entire station. uh aluminum feeders. I think Lucas talked about that. And we're going to optimize the amount receptacles and TV outlets and computer [clears throat] outlets. The lighting
will be uh quote don't care to use this phrase, but we frequently do or equal and it has to be certain criteria. It's not just computer networking. >> I'm sorry. >> Is there computer networking wiring coming in here? >> Networking. Yes, there will be a local
area network including I think it was cat 6 is what we were using. >> That's correct. Yeah. >> Dormatory. Does it have a dormatory or just to the offices? >> That's something to be determined. We need to know where
>> where it will be. >> It's in my walls >> and typically it will be included and it will come in. We have a little closet we've separated for the IT modem and rack and then the outlet will go to individual rooms as discussed with the
by personnel. [clears throat] >> I didn't see any security on here for them cameras or anything like that. >> Um if there is security I guess we'll have to identify where they are. I know we talked about key cards for entrance.
>> Yeah. Front door entrance camera. So that was part of our discussion. >> Is there security or cameras that you want to locate? Typically, this contract would include a junction box and a conduit. That's typically what we do. We we put we put a conduit and junction
boxes where the uh city would want us to install them. Okay. >> And then afterwards, uh there's pull strings in each conduit. Um whoever you guys would go through your provider for the city would be able to run that very simply. Perfect. Thank you. >> Yeah, no problem. So that's another one of those line items in your budget that
you have. So your security consultant or your security vendor will be the one doing all the install. The general contractor will have the boxes and conduit and like you said upholster but in your in your list of items that you're going to that be your responsibility for dollars and cents
secure be one of those most likely to be buying all the devices and then in any system for monitoring as well as the installation of the items themselves >> and again commissioners and mayor we'll
have more meetings as we go I know some of this is foreign to you but reversed in this. This is just what we do. >> We'll make you said you're the expert. So, I want to just make sure that anything that we try to outsource on our own that it doesn't in any way hold up
the project >> because sometimes you have different availability you would have, the contractor would have that we wouldn't have. And so, while we think we're saving money in the long in the long run, we possibly are. [cough and clears throat] >> You hear that, Mr. Martin?
>> Yes, ma'am. >> Absolutely. to hold anything up >> and Mr. Martin had suggested we put power to the front of the site to accommodate the electronic sign and we just need to locate what that is. >> Yep. Then the MC cable which is an armored cable will be used for certain
single circuit and low voltage lines where possible and whereabout by code to reiterate if the Crescent City Natural Gas could do the gas lines and so on and would be reimbursed by the grant would be outside of the general contract and they already have their
insurance for it was coming public works again Mr. Harris said that they could do this demo and removal. I mean that's a good idea. Exterior lighting to be LED direct burial pole mounted fixtures and or wall
mounted fixtures because I would consider wall-mounted fixtures particularly for the apparatus base mounted for remote parking. Yep. >> You and I might confer on that. Get M to agree. We can >> absolutely. Um, so and I've mentioned
already that we've decided that it's not a good idea to try to separate the site work contract from the general contract. And then the last item I have on my calendar here or on the agenda here is next steps and schedule another meeting with some key partners in here, the fire
department, perhaps commissioner or two and certainly Mr. Martin and the assistant city manager uh to verify uh whether computers, TV, location, ice maker, location, other equipment finalize the site plan. And it's important that we do the site plan
finalizing as as quickly as possible because Alex has to do his job to give it to the other consultants so they can do their job. >> So, >> can we route that digitally with a share file instead of meeting? >> Uh, sure. I think so. you like dropbox
kind of thing. >> Yes, sir. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah, we can do that. >> Okay. >> And then that way everybody can input and then we can go get the bench. >> Okay. >> So, at the end of the presentation, I respectfully request approval from the city commission for the documents for
the design development phase and ask that you approve us to go into the CD phase. >> Okay. [laughter] Um I have a question commissioners before we do before we go forward with this. Do you have any questions of our
fire department or anybody for clarity before we um actually get this approval? Any questions? Um I have a question. >> Okay, go ahead please. >> So thank um
just Mr. Taylor, um, at the regular commission meeting, you gave us [clears throat] a timeline as to where we were. I think you said we were in the I'm looking at this colored chart. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Um, we are in the green design development phase. >> Correct. >> Okay. So um my first question is I think in prior workshops you [clears throat] may remember this um
I was concerned that this project have an overall timeline with dates on it that particularly incorporate the due dates for anything that we have to submit to the state and I don't see
anything like that in um this timeline or any other documents. So to me, I don't know about the rest of the commission, but I think that would be very helpful. Um, >> and as well when you say next steps,
um, when when would be like particularly on this colored >> yellow, [clears throat] >> right? Um, which step are we going to be in next? When do you anticipate meeting with the
commission? And can you put any rough dates on these steps so that um we can address I know Commissioner Burton said um what >> hey we can we can talk about it too, >> right? when you know when would we expect to be in construction just to
give us some idea of how we are doing on the schedule. >> Okay, we're trying to get through the completion of the construction document phase. We're in July. So August, September, October, end of October is what we would like to do.
>> Okay. Can can you put that kind of information on a schedule for us so that that could be shared with the city manager and the commission so we will just know um we can have a reference
document and as well um with Mr. Martin's help incororate any state deadlines in there particularly the end of project deadline. >> Well we can work on that and have that in the next city manager report. One thing I think the biggest concern is just making sure that we have a timeline
and I know we've seen that we had that already for the appropriations and what their requirement is. I know I think by December of this year we have to um have if we were going to purchase something that we have to have title. >> There were some certain things that we had to have met. Yes.
>> Um so let's just make sure that that we have a timeline and that he can match his timeline up to that timeline. Would that work? Commissioner Dvito? >> Yes. He's he's not going to have solid he's not going to have >> I understand that >> solid timeline >> but a a general and expected timeline
where where do we think we are and if what you've just described commission I think that would for looks at it and she'll have something
she can look at. This is really broad. >> Yeah, we'll go on next year and then into next year. >> We'll have a legend. I'll put what the state's requirements are, what our project timeline is, and we'll give you all specific dates. >> And I know it can't, you know, I know it's got to flow a little bit, but this
boy, this could flow forever. Okay. when John's agreement. >> So, of course, we know the one back stop is everyone wants to get paid. If we don't do it on schedule, we won't get paid. Um, and I don't know if this would
add to the cost or what, but these drawings that, um, we got last week at the commission meeting, um, these are based on well, these are based on the original
concept. They don't include maybe this includes the maximum number of parking spaces. would um would it clarify things if the drawings were done to incorporate some of the options that we showed today? I
don't know how the rest of the commission feels about that. Seeing what was discussed today maybe incorporated into this is the full this is this is my understanding because you've got your three bays, >> right? >> So you have three bays here. So this is the full this is
>> the fully I mean this is the full monty. everything that we could want, you know, that we could want on this. >> So, what you're asking for is for him [clears throat] to And keep in mind, every time we ask for these, >> that's why I said >> it's additional monies. Yes. Okay. Because it's work. >> Yes.
>> Um and and I want everybody to understand that as we all know, as you go through government and especially as you go through construction like this, there's a lot of engineering. There's different things that play into it. And so it's it's a little different from
it's not as quick. It's not as quick and and we like instant gratification. We want to we say let's get it done. Let's get it done. And sometimes, you know, it does take some time. But with this, you would just you're asking for an additional drawing that would show just
two bays and taking that down to eight parking spots. Just some of the highlights. just take your black out and just black out section before you kind of you know said hey you don't need that >> I'm just thinking of anything that's
really significant that would to a more realistic um idea of what this is going to look like um because for one thing I don't want people to I guess this is going to be available somewhere just it
I don't know if it's worth the cost I don't how much it cost, but I certainly would like to see more of a depiction of the significant changes we've made if that's possible without um an arm and a leg, but that really would be something
for the whole commission to ask. >> I think ultimately we're hoping that we get this. >> Yes. Correct. >> We'll update the drawing as approved by the commission. >> Okay. >> At no additional fee. Uh and they're subject to revision. So, will you show you something? No, I don't like that.
The chief asked me about the colors. She said, "Are they fixed?" I said, "These are colors that we chose." You could choose different colors. >> We still have time for all of that because that's something Yeah. >> that process takes about three weeks. I
have a delineator that I work with. So, you know, you give him the information and we go back and forth a little bit. It may be faster now that he's got the template done. took about three weeks to get this. Okay.
>> Yeah. Um I have one more question if I can. Um I just want to make sure that I know with this new schematic and all and the new drawings um from our fire station from our employees there that
they had an opportunity um we've got the right amount of dormitories correct that we can that that we need. um the living space is is large enough that everything meets everything that that you this is
your this is your gonna be your home, you know. So, I just want to make sure that staff is is also comfortable with it. >> Okay. So, I'm getting some head nods. >> Okay. Chief Riser has been very responsive when I send him documents. He
usually emails me directly and me copies [clears throat] Mr. Martin. And I just want to make sure that staff is aware of what's going on too so that they know. >> Very good. >> Go ahead. Commission. >> Um I move that we approve the documents for the design development phase of the
architecture engineering and surveying services for the fire station and with the changes that we've discussed. >> Okay. [clears throat] Second. I'll second that. We have a proper motion and
a second. Do we have any um public uh comment? Yes, ma'am. Please come forward. And this is going to be regarding the fire station. >> Yes, ma'am. >> State your name and your address if you will. Elizabeth Gomez Gomez, 19 Cer
Street. And thank you for your time, gentlemen and commissioner. I know you have a big task on your hands, but this was like purchasing a brand new car. You start with a budget and then you start cutting and cutting and cutting until
you end up without air or rain. So, I just want to make sure that the firemen are conscious of what they want and you bring in the right point. you know, make sure that everything that you want is
here, even in this very minimals, because I was under the construction of two Walmarts, and I wish that they have asked us. The first Walmart that I went to work making 1330 million a year in
Sanford, we end up with leaks everywhere. I don't know what kind of construction material they use for the roof, but that was on us associates to go clean spills or go clean leaks on IO 5, aisle 10. Sometimes you have four or
five. Then I went to Reinhardt in Sanford, brand new Walmart that cuts between 100 and 150 million to build but makes 150 uh months. millions. And lo and behold, the first
monsoon there were leaks everywhere in the store. Why? Because they rushed to construction. But I wish that they had asked us, the associates, what will you prefer? And we would have preferred not to have gone get mops and buckets every
time that it rained, you know, in in spability. Also, I watch a lot of little tiny house builds and I wonder if I mean you would consider like little uh water tanks for
the water and the irrigation or micro solar uh panels for electricity just to be a backup. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. We have any other public comments? See closed public comment section. Um,
we currently have, if there's no further discussion from the commission, we currently have a motion to approve what's been presented to us with the recommended changes. Um, and we have a proper second. >> Okay. And madam clerk, you'll do a roll call.
>> Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Deo, >> I. >> Commissioner Moore, >> I. >> Commissioner Burton, >> I. >> Mayor Myers, >> I so approved. Thank you all very much for your time. >> Thank you. >> For everything that you're putting into
this. Um this is this is quite an accomplishment for here in Crescent City and we're very proud of the direction we're going. So thank you all. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you guys. [laughter] And then I'm gonna do um I'm gonna do
about 15 I'm if I have to step out if I'm checking it. That's what I'm checking just to make sure. >> Okay. >> Are we ready? >> Okay. This meeting is back in session. The
time is approximately 1:48 and we're going to go into our CRA portion. Martin. >> Yes, ma'am. I'm going [clears throat] to defer to Miss Bonnie Love Day, CRA manager.
>> Good afternoon, mayor, vice mayor, and commissioners. Today we are presenting the final CRA funding allocations for your review and approval. These recommendations reflect our priority projects, community needs, and strategic goals for continued redevelopment progress within our district. We look
forward to your guidance as we move toward final adoption. >> This is on the central >> central CR. So the first one that I would like to recommend
is 338 Central Avenue window replacement contributing historic building. The bottom windows are not the original windows on this. I would like to request $13,466 through ARA funding.
>> [clears throat] >> So, are you looking just to do the bottom windows? >> No, the all the windows. >> All the windows. >> You come on up. Come on up. I saw you out there. [laughter] [clears throat]
>> See? So one, thank you. >> So those picture windows, there's uh you see one picture window that's on the south end and there's I think two or
three on the west end. Those are not original. They're just like storefront um metal tubing, you know, framed around a existing single pane of [clears throat] glass. So those [snorts] are those are uh existing to [clears throat] remain.
The ones that I'm proposing are those double hung windows that are on the second floor. There's I think there's uh 10 on the second floor and then there's two on the first floor, but they're double
>> these here. And so the the drawing that you have there, I mean, one of the issues [clears throat] that was brought up uh last meeting was um that the CRA CRA might not could allow
funds toward a non or contributing building in the um historical [clears throat] district. So, I looked through the the guides of the CRA and it has a statement on there that says, "The improvement cannot remove or alter
historical character uh or alter the historical character of the elements of of the architecture." I never wrote that down. I think I wrote it down. Work on work on the historical building cannot result in the removal from eligibility from the historical
designation. and then the improvement cannot remove or alter the historical character or elements of the of the architecture. So the drawing that I gave you is on the left side it shows the existing Delhong
window in elevation. [clears throat] The drawing on the right of that is the proposed window using the vinyl um window that this the bidder has
based on. And he is an installer from St. Augustine. He's worked with um historical windows and this is the one that he's recommended has kind of a low profile. So what I did is I took the the
CAD drawing that is provided by the window supplier and they also add an elevation. So I just kind of sized it based on the opening of the building of a typical like that those three windows there are all the same size. So you get
an idea that it's really pretty close. Um, and I think it's in character with what the statement is that it says, do all do not alter the historical character or elements of the architecture. >> Okay.
I just share my thoughts with you and I've talked to Rick before. Um actually the reason the targeted buildings are targeted buildings is because most of them with the exception
of Tucson summit because they are part of the historic district and the object is to retain our historic district and um conventional wisdom is that buildings
that retain their historic character um actually have more value in the long run. Um and we've just we just received a state grant to do an analysis of our
historic district. We don't know um we we just got another grant to update that historic district. But anyway, um so the call for whether it's close enough and I know I mean Mr. BS is
architect um he's done research. The call for whether something significantly or too much alters that historic character is really with the state historic preservation office. And it would seem
to me particularly Mr. 's building was identified as one of a few on Central Avenue that would be individually eligible to be on the National Register of Historic
Places like Molly Morris's Hover House. Um that designation has significant criteria. I mean it's significant appeal. um people come to see the Hovercast because it's
on the National Register. So to me, the most um the most long-term big picture thing would be um for us to pend approval until the plan that we see here
is submitted to the state historic preservation office. Um, I really am surprised that the information about the federal income tax credit for historic renovations
hasn't been shared with all um of the historic district building owners because it's for commercial buildings. Um, Commissioner Lori and I brought this information back from the preservation on Main Street conference last year.
Um I think um you and Commissioner Burton were at the um wrap-up meeting that we did. I think the only person who doesn't have that information is um Commissioner Moore. So if to keep to be
sure um and I don't really know what the problem would be with the delay um I think the best course of action would be to make sure that any plans like the changing of the windows are sent to the
historic preservation office because we can say well we don't think it alters it that much but it could >> because we don't but no I I I do want to I mean maybe I'm misheard you but you've said that it's already some of those
have already been replaced so it's already >> a lot of windows that is not original further >> you save what you have we're here making extremely uninformed decisions and you
know one thing that concerns me is um there's several buildings on Central Avenue that could be individually listed on the National Register of Historic Places. This causes people to have more interest in these buildings, to come see them, to want to be tenants of these
buildings. There's quite a bit of cache to it. Um, in the event we ever lose the designation as a historic district for that area, if those buildings applied to be on the National Register and received that
designation, then they would carry that designation in their own right, no matter what happened to the district. I'm saying the long to me the long game and I don't think it's that much extra
effort and I I don't understand why um the CRA hasn't done this before main street is to just make that submitt to the um state historic preservation office and we have the we have the
contact information right here we can >> okay I asked for that to be done before we got to this meeting. What happened with that? I asked for it from >> uh from the state. >> Yeah, >> we contacted the state. >> They haven't responded back. >> We call them >> I tried to call them but I haven't been
able to get in touch with anybody. >> Yeah, >> we sent them an email. >> Right. We have sent an email. We have tried to call >> and and and also and um we we've also gone a step further. contacted four
historic window buildings to get quotes on what it would be to have these his replaced histo like in historical fashion. >> I can give you some insight on that. Um there's the outfit out of Orlando called Austin Historical. [clears throat] I
spoke to the and you know I I sent him uh some floor plans of the windows that I wanted to replaced and along with some photos and I said hey you know we got a meeting at 11:00 on Monday it was Friday when I talked to him I said is there any chance you could do you know a quick
estimate he goes and so I said look I'm not going to hold you to this but these these um windows are like 3 foot by 6 foot give me [clears throat] an idea what you charge to restore a window and he said probably $3500 to $4,000.
So >> each >> each. >> Yeah. There's 13 or I think it's 12. >> Yeah. That's one of the companies we spoke to as well. >> So I mean you did give a price. Um you know I'm I'm on the same team as you as
far as wanting to keep this building original looking. Um, to me these vinyl windows, you know, most of them are like 15 ft above the sidewalk. Um, I think they look very similar. I think it's going to age
better. Um, you know, it's gonna have the >> it's going to have the insulation, you know, factor [clears throat] the >> Commissioner Lori, I'm sorry, Commissioner, Commissioner Lori and then
I'll >> Yeah, go ahead, Commissioner Lori. >> And the thing is that this is not up to us. You know, there's the Secretary of the Interior standards for rehabilitation of historic buildings. That's the Bible as far as historic buildings and how to deal with them. And
right here, I just pulled it up for windows. Um, it says retaining, what is recommended is retaining and repairing historic windows when deteriorated. Not recommended, removing repable historic windows and replacing them with new windows for perceived improvement in
energy performance. Okay. But then also on the next page which kind of counter you know contradicts recommended installing compatible and energyefficient replacement windows that match the appearance, size, design, proportion and profile than existing historic windows that are also durable, repairable and recyclable when existing
windows are too deteriorated to repair. And this is not recommended installing incompatible and efficient replacement windows um that are not durable and recyclable. So like the problem is that if you just go ahead and replace them and the state of Florida, the department
of you know historic resources says that's not according to the secretary of interior's rules that could get your building delisted. >> If this is a contributing building is a contributing structure, >> right? >> So it's on the national register. So you know when I Google contributing structures in Crescent City says there's
like 212 >> there are so I mean you're going to create that standard for all of those homes >> but the things that the rules that we established in the CRA grant is not >> I mean
>> I mean and that's why if you talk to the Tallahassee and they say no that's fine because I can't determine and I can't tell you if your windows are deteriorated too far behind repair or if changing. >> And and the thing is that really there's a lot of money in that that federal
income tax uh that federal um tax credit and especially since you're going to have a commercial building and you're going to have it open to the public. >> You can get lots of money through that. It's really incredible. And I I really think that you want to not throw that opportunity out the way. Make sure that
we cross our tees and do our eyes. >> I mean it's a difference of I mean whether you'll prove it or not. I mean I don't know if I would go that route. It's a difference of $12,000 versus $40,000 plus, you know, for Windows. And that's money that I could spend on doing
something else. >> But if it means that you're really loud on $250,000. I understand. I need to, >> you know, >> there's a trail on all this stuff as far as jumping through all the hoops and stuff. >> And we're not experts and I will be the first one to tell you that. I've I've
learned a lot about this, but I've also learned that those those tax credits and those historic easements and that kind of stuff are big business and they are things that you won't think that they make a big difference, but they can. And there's a lot of people that do a lot of that with developers and stuff and it's
incredible what they can do. So, I would I would you know, if it was me, if I was in your shoes right now, I would not want to just tear those windows out yet. But that's that's just me. >> I mean, I wouldn't I mean, waiting a little while, getting some approval. I
mean, I understand. They look exactly the same to me and they're on the second floor. I understand all of that. That all makes complete reason and sense to me. The fact is though that that's not what Secretary of Interior standards say. It doesn't say, "Well, if it looks okay and you can't see it, >> well,
you know, >> that's kind of contradicted." >> Commissioner Commission is to speak. Nope. Commissioner Devito, but Commissioner. So, so who has determined uh Crescent City as a historical town that has to remain historical?
Everything in Crescent City, if you change it, has to be that way. Just the way you take that window out has to be this that same window with wood and everything else for uh 3500 to $4,000, 12 of them replaced. Who Who says that
that's the way it's got to be? >> Is that us? I I can respond to this. First of all, um it is wellestablished that historic preservation is a good thing. The city of Crescent City applied
to the US Department of the Interior in the late 1990s to be a historic district. What Commissioner Lori just said is now how do you retain the historic character of your buildings and your district
which by the way is of great financial benefit. Okay. >> The US Department of Interior has standards for renovation for historic buildings local um and you go through the state
historic preservation [clears throat] office in Tallahassee to um get an assessment of they have staff there who passes on your particular renovation plan. Okay. So, if we would
adopt our own historic preservation ordinance, we could look at what we wanted the standards in Crescent City to be. Um but yes it costs more but keep in
mind one of the whole reasons for Main Street and getting designated as Main Street is we are about to go to a joint preservation main street conference called preservation on Main Street. Main Street is supposed to um
>> help to bring vitality and do away with help with life, >> right? But it includes the preservation element which is supposed to add to your economic value. And if you will look around the state and you look at the
places who have taken the care to preserve the historic character and they do that in different ways and there are ways in my little summary that additional things we could do. But the places who have retained their historic
character um have also increased their economic value and their commercial value and their commercial vitality. Um, so it it's a plus overall, but right now for our historic district and some
of those Rick, there are no longer 212 buildings um in the historic district and our historic district is going to be reassessed when we um have Mr. Mr. Weaver's firm used the state
grant that we applied for to do that. Um they're no longer 212 buildings. Some of them have um fallen to bits through neglect and some buildings in town never made it into the historic district because they had been altered too much.
So um you know you can call yourself historic Crescent City. The question is are you going to do anything to retain it? And again, I will emphasize to you, if there was no historic district whatsoever, your building was identified
as being one that potentially could make its own application to the Department of Interior and be listed individually as a historic site as well, the spray house and the >> and we've explained that to him.
Can I [laughter] ask a question? >> Commissioner Burton, go ahead. So, and I'm sorry if it's stupid. I'm not a histori. I had two parts on this, but if the windows on the bottom were already changed out years ago and they're no longer historic, does that
take him out of the running for being a historic building? And if it does, then why are we having the argument and taking the time on this? Because we have several other to go through. Then the other question I has, if we do historic >> u look characteristic, as I heard that word characteristic, when they do the
inspection, are they actually looking to see if it's dated wood, if it's a vinyl? I don't know how that goes. That's I just want to know. >> I think that's a real good question. And and and I think had he known that this was going to happen and he was going to
have to be forced, okay, to buy these historic windows, he probably wouldn't have bought the building. and and so I think that you know him coming in and saying look I'mend extra money to make it look authentic
>> right >> I don't think that's such a bad idea but I'm a historical person but some of these buildings when you go into them they're in rough shape and people are not going to buy them because they are in rough shape and if you put that
demand on everybody that buys a historic quote historic building that they have to now put them back together the way they were in 1752 or whatever 1859 they're not going to buy them
>> so expensive comm mayor if I could commissioner Lori previously answered Mr. Martin's question and the answer is we don't have the answer you can make a little application to Dr. Kira Lucas or if
she's no longer in that position to whoever took her position in the [snorts] Bureau of Historic Preservation and Bonnie and Commissioner Lori and I will be there tomorrow. Um, but I have I
have another question, >> Mayor. I have another question for Rick that has nothing to do with the historic part of the building. Absolutely nothing. Go ahead. So with this my question and um I made notes on all the projects with applications and thank you
for your patience. Um one question I have about some of these applications is um how soon do you like foresee putting your building into actual um commercial service having the project done and you
know being open to a tenant? >> Uh that's a good question. I I have a property in Orlando that I am uh renovating that I want to sell. Um I think it'll sell pretty quick. Um but
that is kind of a priority right now to get that to have funds to um to really go at this. So >> I would say the pro the sale of that let's just say takes
two months, three months. Um and then working on this would you probably take six months or something like that. I'd say nine months maybe. >> Okay. Because just and this is for the commission. Um, I looked at some of the
criteria that had been used by the city staff to rank these projects. And one thing, um, there's a couple things that I didn't see in there. One thing was what would be the timeline for putting whatever building it is we're talking
about, not just Mr. Falls building, but any project into service because some of these are long range projects and some are shorter range projects. Um, so I have that question either for the staff
or for the applicant if they're here. Um, and I would like to see us give some consideration to projects that are going to be online sooner. Um, particularly when we're using the um the ARA money
for them. Um, so I don't know where we stand with the other projects, but that was one thing I did um want to ask you. So, and then I just I don't know how we're going to going to do this. Are we going to
vote on each project individually? >> No, we cannot. We've got to go through I think we've got to go through each one of these because we need we need an exact dollar amount. So that we need to go through each one of these and then I think at the end figure out where we
need to allocate alloc that's my recommendation allocate these funds. I don't know y'all are staffed. What's your recommendation? >> We have we have 12 we have 12 buildings to go through with you all. Um we we ended up on these sheets putting in you all have seen this before. Our intent
for this was just to give you all a reminder of what the buildings are when Bonnie's going through her notes on recommendations. And then on the bottom here in green, we have recommendation for the funds. Bonnie has a total of those uh and and summary at the end of her at the end of her report.
>> Yeah, I recommended five projects >> out of the 13. >> Out of the 13 >> and then the other ones um recommending, >> but we can we can definitely go through the recommendations are in there. We're utilizing $70,000 worth of ARA funds.
Correct, Bonnie? >> Yes. We haven't agreed to that. >> No, no, no. In our recommendation, yes, ma'am. We haven't agreed to correct your recommendation. >> In our recommendation, we we've recommended to use those ARPA funds and then uh there's a remaining balance in
the CRA central after that those funds are done because we are using some of those. Um >> what's our actual total? What is our what's our total right now for the C? For some reason, I don't have that in front of me. The CR total is >> available
>> available. You said 22,693. >> Yes. >> And it still stands at that, correct? >> Yes, it does. >> And if I could, um, the other one that they're here today, they've been waiting patiently is, um, 101 Cedar Street. It's
Jethro Baptist Church. I know this was a lower Is okay. Um, >> so they scored 43, but um, it is historically significant. Roof and
electrical repairs, improve safety, stabilize the structure, and preserve the neighborhood heritage. Yes, >> it makes sense to me. Both Jeff Baptist and Beth were listed
in the in the CRA plan as priorities. >> And I [clears throat] think that this just makes sense to me to be funding this. >> So, I'm asking for the CRA funds of $9,500 for that.
>> Okay. Was that in the staff recommendation? That's Yes, that's one of the ones that we recommended today. >> There at the top says recommendation. >> Okay, cuz I just got one final one.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Where is that in this? It's in here. >> Okay. because it wasn't I mean that's great but I was working this weekend very diligently off the last
recommendation that we had from the last meeting and I think this is different >> it is >> okay well >> isn't it different from what was recommended >> yes it is [laughter]
>> so what what page is >> it's on page Street, right? 101 Cedar Street, right? But um Yes. And that would have to be SRA because it's not eligible for ARPA being on commercial. >> Correct.
>> Right. And um I share Commissioner Boy's view and I think I have shared both on tours and maybe in the commission meeting that whole neighborhood um is a former African-American neighborhood and the three main significant remaining
buildings are the two churches, Jethro Baptist, the AO church and the Lodge. They form kind of the triangle and there's a few other buildings left but not too many. >> And we did speak about it in that
building that's next door um to it. They're planning on tearing that down and turning it into a parking lot. >> Can can we >> Would you like to Would you like to speak? Would would y'all have sat here
all day? would you like to speak? Thank you. Thank you first off for going through this process with us and then we welcome you to come up and speak if you would like to >> just just to take credit for the fact we were just drooling in here with you.
[laughter] >> You have to fight hard for this. Uh well, we was we were discussing what we were going to say, but you know, our building is is part of the historical community. Um and we're just trying to
get some electrical work done and because we want to put some air conditioning in that building >> right there. And um the roof need to be repaired and um >> just trying to keep it up. trying to keep it up. We got to get some some
insurance on it. We can't get insurance until we get some work done. >> Has the insurance company assured [clears throat] you that if we if we get the roof replaced that they would insure it? Have you gotten that assurance? >> Okay. What about the electrical? Is that
part of their requirement or >> No, they did not. >> Okay. Okay. And it's this building. It's the side building that we're looking at removing. Correct. >> Yes. The premise of >> the fellowship hall. What building are you looking to tear down? Is that the
vacant building that had burnt in the middle? >> Yeah, the old metal store. >> The old store. Okay. >> So, you're going to tear that down? >> Yes. >> That's the plan. >> That's the plan. >> See, now we did wrong by him. >> I know. Please go. Monica, get
>> seriously, we did wrong by him. We interrupted what we were doing with them and we're way off. >> No, we're going through the >> We're going through We did We're going through We're continuing to go through each and every one of these and we're
not making a decision. We can't really finish them until we get through all of them. [clears throat] So my understanding is we're not going to make a decision about making a decision about either. >> They've been here. We invited you
invited them to speak. Correct. >> I did. That's what I'm saying. So we're not doing anything unusual. We're they're here. >> They're here. I've asked them I asked them if they would like to speak on behalf of their project. Rick has spoken. Rick, please we apologize. Please don't leave. We are not done.
>> Okay. I thought I didn't know. >> No, I I apologize. That's on me. Um I I thought you knew that we need to go through >> the projects. So I do apologize. Please don't leave. >> All right. >> And thank you. >> I wasn't criticizing. I was trying to
say what you've done is normal with our procedure. >> Well, so I'm I know I didn't communicate that and that is on me. So I do apologize. Um, and I apologize to you that we interrupted you in the middle of this. So, you are tearing down the other
building, the vacant building. >> Yes. >> Okay. And that'll become a parking lot. >> Okay. Okay. Do we have before we go forward, do we have any other questions on this one? >> Okay. And you are making a recommendation. You've moved this up in your
>> priority and every time I go down there, they're working on that building. >> Okay. Um, so you've moved this up into from from up into the high ranking, correct? >> Well, I have a I have a question. >> Yes. >> Since it's a historical building, can
you put a ton on it or do you have to put a slate on it? >> I'm just trying [laughter] to make a point. >> That's a good question. Replace it with a metal roof. >> Yeah, they'll replace it with a metal roof,
>> which is what it currently has. Correct. >> Okay. Thank you both. >> Thank you. >> Okay, Bonnie. Okay. Um, the next one that I would like to recommend is go back here. That one two South Summit
Street exterior painting. Um, I've been speaking with Mary. >> Miam. >> Miam. >> She's got a couple of people waiting for her to fix it up so they can lease it. Um, she maybe wants to make it into a coffee shop or bakery, looking for
someone to manage a partnership maybe. Um she's also um going to do she she says her goal is to fully revitalize the property and bring it back to productive use for the community rather than completing own
cosmetic improvements. So um she's anxious. She doesn't want to sell it. She wants to lease it out and she's anxious to get it fixed up. >> What is she doing? >> She wants to make it into a >> I know. But what is she doing to the building to make to bring in offset?
>> Um, she wants to do additionally besides the painting that we're asking for for the CRA, roof repairs, repairing damaged areas around the exterior of the building, uh, replacement of doors, plumbing work inside the building, electrical upgrades, drywall repairs and
insulation, ceiling. >> That's what she's doing. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Did she give a time frame of when she was going to complete that work? She's got a contractor that um she has um secured and he is going to give a review on the whole thing. So um he was just
waiting for for the CRA. >> Okay. >> Does she have a color that she wants to paint that? >> She said she wanted to make it bright. Um >> little bright. We have to be very careful. >> Yeah. Um she did I did ask her
um >> think we needed a color palette also. So that's something else that we would I think we would need need. We've had that in the past where we've had color palette. >> We can we can bring that back in August >> an August meeting under CRA
>> and this is something that we have to because we we were told in that one thing like the car wash is an example. Now we've all gotten used to it. Of course, I liked it, but I think they still should do the awning >> an accent color, but we were told white
and blue and all of a sudden the painter, you know, >> our updated contract will keep that from happening. Now, >> it should. Yeah, >> it is. >> So, we need a color palette so that when we when it comes back, >> okay, >> but we also like to know what she's doing to the property because right now
nothing's being done to the property. >> Right. the commissioner Devita. >> Um, thank you, mayor. Along those lines, um, so is this current owner the person who's owned up for the last three, four, five years? >> Yes.
>> Last two, at least two, possibly two and a half. Yeah. >> Two and a half years. >> Not Diana from St. Augustine. This is Miriam. They were the pharmacist. Her husband's a pharmacist. >> Okay. So, they were the ones who made the proposal. >> The last proposal. Um, my concerns about
this building just to share with the commission and the staff. Um, I gave a long look at everything this weekend. Um, and we looked at this in person. This building when we looked at it in person
was pretty much a shell. And I don't really see that the current owner has put any money into it. I think to me I think we would get more bang for our
buck if we gave priority to um buildings that were going to be I mean either the owners have already put in money um and they have immediate plans and the building can be put into
use soon. My concern is about paying $12,000 to paint this. There's not much there. And if you're going to do doors and plumbing and um what is it? Doors and plumbing and what else?
>> Electrical and drywall. Yeah, she's she's doing a she's doing a whole renovation of the building. >> Right. So, it would seem to me that painting should come last after those things are done. I would I would just
suggest that we wait on this one until the owner does those other improvements and then consider going back in with painting. Um cuz I I just don't Anyway,
>> I believe that the contractor that she has secured has is going to do all of that, but the painting part of it was just um the part that she wanted to ask for the CRA money >> to cover >> to cover. And I will say this too to the commission and you all know sometimes um
things need a little push and this is a building that's right in the middle of our downtown in our central uh area right off the central and summit and I think it's very important that um we get it looking good as soon as possible so we can get somebody using that building.
And >> mayor I have another question for this. I mean, I I would just want to know, you know, what is the contract? How much is she planning to put into this building? And does she actually have the contract?
>> I have the I do have the quote um for from the contractor. >> No, I mean the does she have the contract to do these other things? >> Oh, not yet. Not yet. She was waiting on on us. >> See? >> So, she's not going to she's not going to do anything unless we agree to paint
it. Is that what you're saying? She's waiting on us. >> Well, she was waiting on us to see what we were going to pay for first before we were going. She was >> That's That's the wrong attitude. You have to explain that to us. You know, you can't you can't wait. I know. She's got to show some initiative
because we're we just, you know, it's a concern because they have they have not done anything to date. And well, I just that's all I have to say. She is moving she's moving forward regardless from the correspondence that I saw. It's more or less that she needs to know if the city's going to cover any of the costs
before she goes into contractual obligation with the contractor. The ex the work is pretty extensive to include I believe it was roofing too. Correct. Yes. >> And so there's a lot of things she's going to put in there, a couple different ideas, but she wants to get uh another vendor to come in with her. The
work that she plans on doing is is in order to attract a partner vendor. So again, I I believe she's not waiting for us to do the work. She's waiting to see what we're going to cover, if any, so she can move forward with her contractor.
>> Okay. Um, when I was looking at these contractor bids, these three companies, who got these bids? >> Um, Windro is the one who got them? I I called some of them. Nesbbits and First
Class. I called them. Um they were um contractors who another person had used in town. So I called them to get those days. So I met them over there. >> Okay. And Winro, who is Winro? That's construction company that she's looking to work with. Yes.
>> And that's the one that you're Okay. The only reason I'm asking is because I've never heard of I've never heard of these. And we had on the other ones. Not that we have to, but we had pretty much a standard group that we, you know, that was giving bids to the city for
painting. And I had just never heard of these. That's why I wanted to know who got these. >> Well, it was the one girl who had the residential, she had gone out and gotten her own bids for that residential house um down the road. So, I looked at her because it was painting, too. So, I just called them.
Those contractors should >> because it's commercial. So commercial painting is a little different from residential painting. Um so that's why I a lot of these have been more commercial painters. >> Okay. Okay. But if the contractor is willing
to do that, let's move on to the next one. >> Okay. The next one um 512 Central Avenue. >> Yes, ma'am. Hang on one second. Okay. No, >> we're passing that one you skipped.
Okay, >> this one. Yeah. 512 Central Avenue. It's a 1887 historic building um roof replacement for $37,500. I'm requesting ARPA funds for that.
And how much are you how much are you asking for for that one? >> $37,500. >> KN&NR roofing. You did the background on them. Where are they located out of? >> I have not done I have not done the background on all these companies until that they get approved.
>> I'll do the background on them before they >> So you didn't verify that they were we asked you at the very beginning to verify that they had that they were licensed to the state. >> Yeah, I thought we were doing that after that. >> No, I asked you about that to verify.
>> Okay, here contract. So, the only reason I'm asking that is because you only have two. Why did you only get two when we have quite a few? I mean, this is a big building and to make sure that they were competitive so that we should have possibly gotten at least three and there
were definitely three build um roofing contractors out there. >> Yeah. The third roofing company said that they couldn't do it. >> They said that it was too expensive to them. It was too expensive. And what company was that? >> Uh
my see my concern is is that if now that we if we were to approve that at the 37,000 and then you come back to us um and they aren't licensed or there's some issues with them, then we're back to the
drawing board on that one. And they they got those quotes themselves that >> Gio the owner. >> Yes. >> Yes. Well, I have a comment and my first question about this is um I know we're
using ARPA money, but it was my understanding that we were um using our CRA guidelines. So, I thought the maximum for this building was $20,000. It should be um so this would be over
the $20,000. So, but we did so we did with the ARPA when we had the ARPA we did like the one the music store we did go over and we split that in the middle. Right. >> So, we had the ability to do that. I'm just saying are we because we've been
the discussion that we've had um with the current set of applications was that we were going to use the CRA guidelines. We didn't talk about going over them. And then the other thing is um this is an 1887 historic building and really
this one the um plans for the roof should be sent to the state historic preservation officer and because of the square footage I think this is a larger building isn't it? It's a huge building >> right? Um, it would, it seems to me, to
benefit the owners to put their plans to the state historic preservation officer and see what they need to do to comply with uh the Secretary of Interior guidelines because the larger building,
the more significant that federal income tax credit. I mean, they could get a substantial financial benefit from this if it was determined possible um by meeting those guidelines. So, I I think
that we should request them to do that. >> I got another Well, I Well, we're going this week. I have a lot of questions to ask when it comes to historic preservation and I'll I'll get them answered. But if we have a building like this that you have an updated code,
let's say it's on the interior, this is all for the looks of the building. Am I correct? >> Yeah. >> And so the roof is not something that anybody sees. But my my question is >> that's not true. >> I understand. But hear me out. What I'm saying is if you have an updated code by state law that has to do with Florida
building code and you have to update it and you're going to spend the money on construction for it and it doesn't necessarily meet that historical standard that you're looking for. What there's there what do you what decision do you make there? >> Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. There's
the renovation of buildings. What the historic buildings they always meet the code guidelines. So there's no point of speculating here what people with historic buildings do who want to meet
the guidelines. They send they make an application for a determination to the office of state historic preservation. We are not going to solve anything. We cannot rationalize it here. Yes, all these buildings need code.
>> What is the No, they don't necessarily necessarily. >> So not if you're doing new con not if you're doing replacing something. Sometimes it's you're under um >> well yeah I know I just went through that and there were certain things in my house that didn't that had to be brought
to code in order for me to go forward with some of the things I wanted to do. But with this property first off Bonnie and Commissioner Devito is correct. It says on their maximum grand award $20,000.
Okay. So you're recommending 375. That needs to be changed. Um, number two, what is the timeline are we talking about that it takes the state to come in and to do what it is you're asking to do? Has anybody done that? Have y'all
done that? Have you done that to your Have you done that at all? No. >> Do you know anybody that has >> that's gotten their approval? I'm just asking. I'm not being how long did it take? >> I do know people who have. I don't know how long it takes, but there is a significant financial benefit. And the
sooner you start, the sooner you finish. >> I have a Commissioner Lori. >> Um, but as far as I know, I don't know anyone specifically in Crescent City who has made that application. And I think also we need to remember that I mean
these are people that are asking us for this for these for us to share these funds or to in some cases just take on the entire project. um we're putting this on them. If they did this on their own, they they don't necessarily have to do this.
>> Correct. >> So, it's it's really, you know, it's up to them. It's up to them as well. >> If I may as well, this is a question for the commission. I guess this probably would have to go in front of the historic preservation at some point. I'm not sure. And I need to look at our LDC
as well, but on this particular building, the owner has a schedule of work that needs to be done. I've talked to him about this extensively. They're putting in on the low end uh $250,000 on the low end. That's just starts. Probably going to go up towards closer
to a half a million dollars. They've even had plans on the lower one-story portion right here, if you look to the very left of possibly putting an outdoor seating that would be for tapas and wine. >> How do you do the historic roofing there if you're going to put seating out
there? Is that something the city would allow? Again, there's no point asking ourselves. If you go all over the state of Florida, in St. Augustine, in all kinds of towns around here, this is done. It is done well. And they make an
application. And if these folks are going to put a quarter of a million dollars into this building, they might be interested in a 20% federal income tax credit that comes off of the commercial uh rentals or income from
that >> renovation would be a substantial benefit. So if we will work if you'll work with them you'll also work with the state and oftent times and I'm going to tell and I've said this to you say this to you.
>> Everybody wants I emailed somebody. I emailed somebody and they didn't call me. They didn't they didn't get back with me. Write them I mean call them. >> Call them. >> Call them. >> It takes just as long to call somebody as it does to email somebody. Sometimes it takes longer to email somebody than it does to call. Pick the phone up. talk
to them and ask to speak to somebody because time is of the essence. >> Time is everything. >> Okay. So, I'm that's just fine. Just want to make sure. Let's move on to the next one. >> Okay. >> Which address, Bonnie?
>> This one. 11 North Street. I I'm referring this one to um the next CRA cycle. >> Wait, which one is this? Oh, okay. I was going on my sheet here. All right. We're We're going through the individual projects, not the
>> So, 338 Central. You're going to send this on to You're taking it off of your high rank. >> This is 11 11 North 11 North >> 11 North Lake. Okay. So, you're taking it off of your high ranking. >> Yes. I recommend to apply for next cycle
because she had previously got funded through the CRA and um we're a limited budget. Okay. >> Is that the wrong address? Is that correct? >> I'm following a sheet here. This is 116
parking lot over the sheet. the the the sides are not the same order of shape. >> The parking lot is not 116. >> Um [clears throat] yeah, what what is the name of the business? Well, wait. She's not going by
the recommended >> materials that she gave us. >> She's going to be cath. >> I'm going there right now. But I'm saying we we need to be we're going down the list that was in the packet from the
last meeting. >> That's that's right. >> Which list? >> This list from today's meeting >> for the recommended project. >> Okay. So, we're at 116 North Summit. >> 116 North Summit. The parking lot
overlay. but she had gotten quotes for um the the new parking lot that are there. But then Faith Construction also gave a parking lot overlay um for 16,650. Even though it's a lower score, I think
that it would improve the corridor appearance, safety, and access and then possibly do the garage doors at a different cycle. I heard a rumor that
tenant in there. Is that true? >> I didn't hear that. >> So So Jeff is still there. >> Just curious. >> So this is not listed as a contributing building. Is it a But it is it is a historical.
>> It's not a contributing structure. >> Is it because we Wait, Bonnie is saying it's historical. It was historical. Yes. >> No. >> Okay. We we explained this several
meetings ago. The most recent survey that was done just identified any building that was 50 years old or older that could potentially be part of a new historic district. No assessments been made that any of those buildings are
historical. the historic buildings that are on the targeted building list, which I don't think this one is. Correct, Commissioner? >> No. >> Okay. Those have were many years ago to be contributing structures to the historic district. So, Mr. Weaver's most
recent survey saying that something's 50 years old does not mean that it is historical or targeted. We have a note here that says it is not listed as a contributing building in the present city national register. >> Um it was up it was 2025 updated survey
recorded the master file but it still was it's not historical and it's not targeted. >> Right. Right. >> Okay. So it's not a targeted. So we didn't identify it. We have a targeted list that we the city these were these were ones. >> Do you have that list? Have you gone have you looked at that list? The
targeted buildings. >> Not not historical. >> Yes. targeted that were targeted. You look at that. This one's not targeted. Correct. >> Right. No. >> Okay. So, everything that we give them has to be matching and it's only up to what's their maximum award based on the
um application >> I believe because it would be $10,000, not 20. >> 10,000 there. >> Yes. I'm looking I'm looking for my original set of lists. It does get a little bit confusing when the lists change and they don't have the same
information that they did before. So, >> well, this this part is still correct. Okay. All the stuff in there is still correct. It's just you reallocating these. >> No, I know. But it doesn't say, for
example, that the match is required, which is that was your point that you just made. And I'm trying to find my former notes or former pieces of paper that had them. >> Yeah. This this would require a match.
>> It would require a match. Yeah. >> So the most I think they can go is 10. You have that application that shows what they can if they're not if they're not a targeted building. >> $10,000 should be $10,000.
>> No, up to five will fund it completely. >> Yeah. $10,000 matching. You have your rules, >> right? >> So, this would be $10,000 with a matching grant of 5,000. That's a max would be $10,000 that we could give. They would have to pay 5,000.
>> Verify that, please. Please look at your application. 10,000 a month. >> Lonnie, you've gone back and forth from 5,000 to 10,000. If you would please look at the application and verify that for us or somebody pull up that. >> I'm doing it right now. >> Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am.
>> I'm sorry. Sorry. I'm I'm I I'm a little short. Um, this is a lot of money that we're looking at that the city's looking at and we have a responsibility here.
Exterior enhancements, landscape exterior enhancement, curb appeal, neighborhood settings for property interior 10. It's $10,000 here. Grant criteria maximum grant awards 10,000 list property contributing structure in the
national register or targeted building in which the case it maximum would be 20. So it's $10,000. >> 10,000. >> Yes. I [laughter] matter of fact I just I get a brief comment. Um the one the positive that I see about 116 North Summit is um
as Bonnie says it is visible and as well they appear to have an active tent. I mean um which I think that's a plus. It's currently being used and so we would um facilitate
um that being an even better place for a tenant. >> Okay. Do we does the um has does the owner is the owner aware that if we were to do the paving that we
would do up to 10 well up to $10,000 that would be matching they would have to match that. >> No, I I thought that this was a historical building. So you made an assumption because it had bricks in it. >> No, I'm sure as you walked by you saw
some bricks. Um, so, so, okay. So, when we, so you're recommending, so your recommendation would now be that we would fund up to the full $10,000. What is your recommendation now?
>> Yes, that's our recommendation. >> So, um, you have one here. Um, yeah, because you've got Okay. So, we're going to do 10,000. Well, this one's going to change right
here because that one's going to have to drop down to 20. So, that's a $17,500. So, it could all come out of AR 10,000, but you're going to have to have the agreement. My concern is that we're
using ARPA dollars that have to be used. [clears throat] >> And if they haven't agreed to the fact that they're going to have to match this Mayor, we have a little we have into December. Hopefully, they could give us the answer very shortly.
Okay, let's move on. >> I think that those are all the ones that I have um um put as a recommendations. The rest of them I've recommended to uh next next uh next
cycle. >> Well, we have some more up, >> right? >> Yeah. >> The 1750 from >> actually we have more CRA funds too. >> That's what I was asking on 116. If we're going to do it to 10, where are we
going to take that money from? Are we going to do it all ARPA or are we going to do it all CRA or PA and half or what? We should use all arms. >> I mean, that's what I would assume, too. But I'm asking the commission since that's what we have to figure out.
>> Wait. So, mayor, could we figure out because I had my own recommendations and I did that very close. I did. I think it was Commissioner Burton's house or maybe right down the street. I don't know. It's probably out the
lake. Anyway, um it would be helpful to have the total of what we have left. >> We just changed that. That's why I'm asking. >> Yeah, I know. So, potential potentially um
we just someone said we have more. >> So, because >> where do we get that? >> 512 central. >> Yes, >> we have it funded at 379. >> We can't do that. It's 20,000. was about $17,500 extra. >> There you go. >> So 116 or something like we did 10,000
from ARA. Is that what we're talking about? >> I'm assuming that's okay with everyone. >> So based on those assumptions, >> so you have a $17,500 savings in ARPA right now.
>> Okay. And you're going to add approximately um you're going to add approximately 2,000 >> and just >> yeah, >> we'll say 3,000.
I'm going to do 2,000 2,50 um just to be okay. So that leaves us with $15,450 remaining in ARPO some ARPA funds. All right. And mayor, I had a couple of
recommendations. [laughter] >> What was it? 27. >> It was But right now, Opera is filing 7,334. And so we go up to 10. >> And that's what I did. So the difference between that Oh, it's 27. >> Yeah.
>> Right. I was >> Okay. Even I Okay. So it's 27. So 17,500US $2700 is what? 14,000 >> 14,730
if you take 2770. So, and uh according to down here we 693 they use 19,000US
9500 that's 13, 193 left in CRA funds. Okay, so Mayor, I had three particular projects that um I wanted to bring forward and make a suggestion about.
>> Are they ones that have made application? >> Yes. >> I'm saying off the list. >> Okay. >> Off the list. >> So, am I okay? So, and I have these on a piece of paper. I can hand them around.
Um there are three things that uh staff could not bring forward but uh I think it would make sense for us to fund. Um one would be Ace Hardware at 404 Central.
It's an active they put in um for facade improvements did they not? the replace the sign. They are going to they're already doing the facade improvements uh themselves, but we were going to do the sign. We weren't able to get any um
quotes for that sign though. Um >> you have no quotes. >> No quotes for the sign for the >> Did he make the application? >> He made an application. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, um well, I was going to recommend that one because it's an
active business. It's one of only two active businesses besides thrift shop right now on Central Avenue. You can also see it um from US 17. It's highly visible. Um and it's, you know, um it's there.
And the other one, um was these are the central ones, 429 central, the other academic business on Central Avenue. That is the arts building with the choice beauty salon on the ground floor
and um they either Airbnb or they are correctly living there now. It's also a contributing structure to the historic district um and they want to they applied for and I believe got quotes did they not? >> Yes, they did.
>> Okay. for 8,950 um for the replacement of the steps on the slide um which essentially that is both appearance and safety and it makes it possible to use the um to use the
>> that's more to me a residential I think that should fall under really honestly it should fall under a residential grants. Well, apparently um the whole building is listed as commercial and um before they might they intend to use it
as I understand it for the future as Airbnb, but I mean I'm just saying. >> Okay. And what's your third one? >> And my third one is and I don't know if this is possible um the on summit which
is also visible. Um, I don't know if she's talked to the rest of you or whether she's talked to Bonnie, but Kathy Blake with Sandalwood Hair Salon at 311 North War Summit. Um she has said that she would be [music]
um she would rather reduce her application and request $5,000 just to repair her driveway because she if she has this correctly, she would not have to um do a match and she would
the the driveway that just goes straight up to a building that is full of cracks, then that would be So anyway, So, and of course that's an active business and she's looking to expand. Um, and I think the total of those would be
I'll say 9,000 10 19,000. That would be um $24,000 total. >> Where did you get $10,000 for a signage? >> That was the um >> I thought that was the math. Yeah, that
was the >> Is it a targeted building? >> It It is not a targeted building. But it's historical. >> Are you sure it's not targeted? >> It's not targeted, but it's historical. >> It's not historic. >> It's not either. It's neither. >> The store itself is not historical. It
was built in 1960. >> Right. >> Which house are we talking about? >> Ace. >> Oh, Ace. Yeah. It's not either. the the building next to it is which is the old bowling alley >> but not the not not the Ace Hardware >> but we're not recommending Ace Hardware
>> Commissioner >> I said I brought those forward for the commission to >> consider for because there [clears throat] 17,000 >> right
>> um okay and that falls in line with um with What I kind of mentioned to last at the meeting from Bonnie is that with some of these that at $5,000 they can get and maybe they could do 5,000 this year, 5,000 next year. Correct. Especially with Kathy, she might could,
you know, who knows what she could do with her driveway for $5,000. >> Exactly. >> So, um, >> well, I'm just saying I put I guess I can make that in the form of a motion. Should I take them one by one or will we have >> now? I will be I will be very I'm just
going to throw this out there. >> Sure. >> I'm not ready to vote on any of this quite honestly. I don't know how all you feel, but I still think that before in fairness to all these applicants and I know we've dragged it on and I mean Jezro, we know that we all are in
agreement with that one. Um Rick, we're trying our best we can. We know what you want to do over there. But I feel like some homework needs to be done. And in fairness, where did the $10,000 come for Ace Hardware? I mean, I want to support
them. They absolutely [clears throat] need a new sign. >> They support us. >> But they do, but where did the $10,000 come from? Because >> it's just an estimate, >> not based on anything else. And >> I try to get estimates on the side. >> And so he would have to be matching,
>> right? So, I guess what I'm saying is we're going to go out there and we're going to give this money and some of the some of this has changed and I think that we need to these owners need to know um and we need to have it needs to
be in my opinion I would feel more comfortable a little more concrete a little more that you know yes they've agreed to do this yes they understand just like over here at Jethro because otherwise we're going to be back here next month or the next month and we're
still going to have this in front of us. [clears throat] Um, but that's my opinion. >> We have three people here today. >> I understand >> that we're expecting some type of answer. So, basically, we're kicking the can [clears throat] down the road again. Is that what you're saying? >> That's not what I'm saying. I just said
we all know that with Jeff, right, that we're looking to support them. We're trying the best we can to support him. Um, but what I'm saying is in fairness in fairness to these other ones >> that have gone out and gotten the the quotes. >> Um,
>> yeah, I think some I think some of this was just [clears throat] not put together very well. >> Um, mayor, if I could, it seems um it seems like we've crystallized
several questions. I don't think we need any more information from Jethro Baptist. >> I don't think so. >> Right. No. Okay. I'm just kind of going over that. Jethro Baptist, we feel like we have the information. I personally feel like we need a little more information from to to summit. You know,
what is what is the time frame and um is you know, is she going to enter into a contract? >> I can call her. No, no, I'm just saying I'm trying to summarize it. I'm trying to summarize it and go down the list. >> Well, I think that we right now right
now the one is the Jethro Baptist. If we want to entertain, you know, I'll entertain a motion if somebody wants to go ahead and we can move on that. Um >> I move that we fund the Jethro Baptist CRA grant application at 101 Cedar
Street uh for the request of $9,500 electrical and roof repair from the CRA central CRA funding. Okay. You need a second. >> I do. >> I second it. >> Okay. We have a proper motion and a
second on this. Do we have any further discussion on this one? This will come out of the general CRA funding. >> None. I just want to say they restored their bell. >> Yes. >> Go ahead. Sharita, please do a roll call.
>> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Dino. >> Hi. Mayor Myers. >> Hi. >> Thank you. And then with um with um Mr. B's building um he's been
here also. >> I think you should take a vote on it. >> I've got to have a motion. Somebody's got to make a motion. So, you know, and I mean you can put [clears throat] some if you make
a motion on this um if you want to put some some parameters um whatever whatever but I I I'll have to entertain a motion. >> I'll make a motion that we move forward.
Mr. Mr. I want to say >> yeah for building on Main Street that's uh
>> 338 >> 338 >> 338 Central Avenue to replace his windows. >> Are you on the park? Oh, yes. Without the >> phones66. >> Um, do I have a second?
>> Can I >> Can you What? >> I was wondering if we could I know you don't want a table anymore. I still got these thoughts, right? And I don't want to just >> go one side and not the other. You know what I'm saying? I really want to be filled with this and I wouldn't need to
think about it some. >> Okay. >> Um, >> you you don't have to second it. Okay. >> So, yes, Commissioner Dita. >> No, I was it'll be it'll be it'll be dismissed because >> Well, um, look, >> Commissioner Devito, go ahead. I'm not a
cancer, but I just want to let me think about it a little and look at it a little bit more. I really think that we need to do something with, you know, come to some conclusion with this because he's been here a lot, you know, so it's not no nothing against you, sir.
Okay? And we we going to get to a conclusion real soon. Just give us a a little bit time. A little more time. Okay. Commissioner, >> thank you for your time. >> Thank you, Commissioner Moore. Commissioner Devito. Otherwise, I'm gonna This is gonna die for lack of a second. So,
>> go right ahead. No, that's fine. I was gonna make I had something to say about 116 North Summit. >> Okay. So, that's going to die. Motion died for lack of a second if I could. Yes, I was say. So, um, 116 North Summit, [clears throat]
I think, um, we need to know the information. We suggested $10,000 for them, but I believe it was your question. Um, does the building owner willing to go forward if they know they're getting 10,000 would require
10,000 match? Is that correct? >> Yes. And we've gone through all these. I think >> I'm just saying I'm trying to sell. >> I don't think we need to. I think we've all pretty much gone through these. >> I just got a text back from Katie West, which is the owner. She said that they're going to work on painting or
other things for now and put in for next year. >> Okay. >> So, that's cuz I let her know about the 10,000 and the >> interested in Okay. >> the one you're just talking about 116 North. >> Okay. Yeah. So, Mayor, so are we coming
back to look at others of these? Is that what you're saying? We need more information. >> Whatever you Whatever is the pleasure. I just gave you my opinion. If somebody wants to make a motion and we take staff recommendation, whatever you want to do, commission, that's your prerogative.
I'll entertain a motion. If somebody wants to make another motion, it was my opinion that this needed to come back because there's still a lot of things that need to be done. But if somebody else wants to make, by all means, make a
motion. Oh, well, I guess >> I can't do any of that. >> So, may I be recognized for motion? So, I I move that we bring these uh remaining projects back um for further
consideration um after staff is able to uh answer questions that were raised in this meeting because I mean we have to make a decision about the ARP funds. We have to expend those. >> Well, our regular meeting next month is on the 4th. >> It's on the 4th. So, it could be done,
>> right? >> Does that give us enough time? >> Yeah. >> Should give them enough time. Yeah. >> Okay. So, that we bring >> special meeting next week. >> Commissioner, >> um I did not know about the $5,000 for 311 North Summit Street, but did you
want to go ahead and repair Kathy Will to do that? Um, I I would think in fairness we should con She's not here. We don't have it for sure. I think it would be best if staff could verify that information. So, my my motion is that we
bring the remaining projects back um with the questions answered by staff for the August 4th meeting. >> Okay. Have a proper motion and a second. Commissioner, should we have any further [laughter] discussion on this?
>> May I make a comment? Mayor, I just want to add one that was not recommended uh which I didn't agree um with the manager on is 429 central being that it is historical building. the significant amount of money that the person has put
into the building. It is a um it is a commercial building >> and right uh those stairs are in horrible shape. I'd like to take ARPA funds to fix that and have that approval and I'd like to move on those ARPA funds as quick as possible because we have
only till December 31st. >> Okay. Will you be able to on August 4th? You need to come back. >> Readjust these amounts better. >> In the meantime, >> let's rebuild this whole building. >> We need to take a vote on this. I've got
a proper motion on the table and a second. You'll do a roll call for us. >> Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Burton. >> Commissioner Moore. >> I >> I'm sorry. >> She didn't like the way I said I
have to be okay. >> [laughter] >> Commissioner L. >> Hi, >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi, >> Commissioner. >> Hi, >> Mayor Myers. >> Hi. >> So, approved. In the meantime, please
I'm gonna both of you >> with Rick. Please work on this for him. Get those answers. Get it in writing. You're going to be with these people this week. um and find out from them also what the
time frame is for an approval. Um I'm sure approval, but just get the facts if you can get it in writing and get a time frame. Um and okay. >> Yes, ma'am. I'll take care of it.
We'll be ready. >> Thank you all so much. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you all. >> Thank you. I'm gonna I I do want to before we go further, you know, we've got these ARPA funds and we think these arbit funds
should just go to our CRA and there's nothing that says it has to be for economic development, economic vitality. There is something >> there is something else. >> Yes, I know that's >> okay.
Sorry. >> Right over your head. >> Right over your head. [clears throat] >> We're going to move on to our fiscal year and budget totals. Um before we do
that, I I was going into the whole ARPA and we keep saying ARPA for CRA, ARPA for CRA. It has to be for economic vitality um or economic development, but you know, we've got other places, and we talked about this the other day, that
possibly could use it, especially on the south side, to kind of >> clean the southside. Yeah. >> Clean it up. I don't know how many of y'all I mentioned to you the other day. I mean that that old dealership quite honestly is about literally you knew
what it's holding up by is about to fall down. I don't know what demolition would be. But you've got the ice cream shop that really needs an ice cream sign. >> It needs ice cream, doesn't it? >> She has ice cream there, but she but it needs an ice cream sign. They just re-
roofed it. >> Um but she's got a little sign in the front. Yeah, she's got a little sign in the front. So, I mean, these are things that we could have used that, but you know, I'm disappointed that we >> a walk up window. >> Yeah, that would be a great she, you know, but just other ways that we could
have used it for some of these businesses that already, you know, are operating that um might could have used might could have used some of that ARPA dollars. >> Yeah, it's true. That's good. >> So, anyway, >> very good point. Let's go on to our
fiscal year and budget totals. >> So, the year end budget totals, that's uh we're still working on that. Um what we're doing now is Julie and I are working trying to get everything to the auditors and once we have all their questions answered. They're going to
send us a list of adjusting entries and once we have those adjusting entries, we'll have the final number here and I'm hoping to get that out to them, everything to them uh this week. Okay. just following up on questions they
have. >> Okay. Mayor, could I ask one question? [clears throat] >> So, Mr. Cop, so the audit that we're doing is for the fiscal year that ended September 30th, 2025. That's correct.
>> Okay. Um, and so you're not able to tell us what why is it that we don't know what the year end totals are? >> Because we're waiting for everything to be closed, the auditors to go ahead and
do our audit and then the they give us adjusting entries at the end of the year. So once we get those adjusting entries, I can tell you what >> like what is what is an adjusting entry? Well, they're going to book like depreciation. They're going to book if there's anything that needs to be moved
on our part. If we have to take something out of one account and put it into another, that's they every year they give us a list of adjusting entries and we do those entries. Once we have that list from them, I will know. >> Okay. And is that how we come up with our year end total every year?
>> Correct. We can't give you a final number to the auditor saying this is what they, you know, we don't want to go ahead and make an assumption. >> Okay. Do we have a preliminary number that you're working with pre-adjustment? >> Uh, I haven't I haven't looked at
anything calculated anything. I've been just waiting for, you know, to get everything in and and get the adjustments done. >> All right. Thank you, mayor, or vice mayor, as the case may be. >> Yeah. >> So, where are we now on the agenda?
>> Thank you very much, Mr. Move forward, sir. Yep. >> Okay. So, the next is our our resolution for Florida crime. >> Um, from after our last meeting of due diligence, we have already done a blanketed resolution for transfer of funds. >> Okay.
>> So, we are and I believe I don't remember if we I recall if we actually had a vote for that those funds to be moved over. >> Okay. Then we will go ahead and execute that. >> It's already been done. >> It's already been done. >> Wires 250 already transferred. >> Great.
>> So, that has been completed. Yeah. So that's okay. I mean that's good news. Next commissioner budget info. >> Uh that was passed out to you all. Um I believe Commissioner Moore is looking at hers. They have the budget totals um for
revenue and expense or expenses. I'm sorry expenses. Yes, expenses. And there's also tabulation of the accounts and what has been built to each of those accounts currently. >> Yeah, there were some corrections made. stuff you read through there and if you think anything else that needs to be uh
moved, let me know. >> So, the stuff that's listed under each one of these, it should just be the the charges, >> correct? For each each commissioner number, there's a behind the there's a list of expenses. And when you look at the just go by the the check number,
there's like >> Okay. >> four line items for each expense, but if you just go by the check number, that's the number that >> that's zero. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So there's nothing in here for the mayor. >> Mayor, just so you know, from our due diligence, we have already had a
blanketed resolution for the transfer from Florida Prime. So we did not have to bring the resolution that >> So it was a blanket >> and Steve's already executed that transfer. >> Okay. Just before Mr.
>> I have a question if Okay, this is for guess Mr. So I look at my conference training budget and it's charging file folders to my conference training budget.
>> Uh that's one of those things market and we'll move it if it doesn't belong in there >> $15, >> right? because it's my understand I mean does the file folders that the mayor uses come out for conference training budget >> okay just want to clarify >> that's why that's there
>> okay got it got it got it so if I see anything else I'll just send a email to this >> okay >> but yours commissioner DV so last year you only I don't think that's correct either >> I know I wasn't gonna I was going to send
>> that needs to that definitely needs to be corrected and >> two main street. >> Well, but so if we see anything that looks out of order, then we should just email to the city manager.
>> I guess it looks like some of the Hilton at SeaWorld. >> Well, [laughter] I say that was for the legislative conference, >> y'all. Yeah, probably when you're putting these in coding these, you might want to just from might be for what it's
for, you know. I know it says Hilton SeaWorld, but something to, you know, >> Yeah. what conference it is. >> What conference it is so that people don't think that, you know, SeaWorld. >> Lori is just going to SeaWorld. He [laughter] does love to go to SeaWorld. >> I can say right now. Yeah. The
conference hotel was booked and that was the overflow Seaworld was >> mine was actually lot it was a lot cheaper than >> Right. It was cheaper but it was the hotel next door to the conference hotel and it was the overflow hotel. Yes. Good price.
>> I stayed there as well. Okay. >> Why didn't you have one, two, three, four charges on >> they say like when it was put in? >> Okay. Paid the check. Okay. So, there it is. I see. >> And then it was open, right?
>> Yeah. You just look for the check number and that's the amount that you want. >> Each each expense has got four line items that it's associated with. I don't know. [laughter] >> Yeah, you probably need to go through
these and just make sure that you know, especially from an auditing standpoint that that that they match up with with the benefit. >> Mine is perfect. >> Okay. Looks like some of Commissioner
Well, Lori is on the next page. Also, >> I don't see you, Miss May. >> She hasn't spent any money. >> That was addressed. >> You don't spend any money. >> I haven't spent any money. >> Okay. >> Um, >> okay. So, what are we doing with this?
So, >> I brought it up because I was registering it to the FLC >> to the FLC. Did you talk to him about Rachel? >> Didn't get a chance to call that >> because that was Thursday.
I didn't >> Okay. >> I'm going to ask >> um Yeah, because that's that's just a concern that >> you know and how they can how they can fix that. Do we need what do we need to do for Commissioner Lori for going to FLC? Do you have an estimate on Has it
already been in in this? I didn't check to see. >> No, it's not in here at all. >> So, do you have an estimate what you're talking what you're looking at? >> I think so. I didn't mean hotel, but the main hotel sold out.
>> Yeah, the main hotel stand be cheaper. Where are you going that you need the hotel? >> Hollywood. >> I checked hotel ways away. I >> think it's right down the street. >> Place
the double tree. >> It's going to be a pain because I have to I'm just going to have to go by by wheelchair on the road across the street. It'll be fine. >> Good luck with that. >> What? Rachel can't drive me. >> Well, then you have to then you have to parking or whatever. I mean, I'm going
to figure I'll figure it out. Work >> there. There's a light cross. >> There's a light. There's a hawk. >> I don't care. >> So, I mean, that's what we're >> Well, I guess on the fourth we can talk about it on the 4th. We'll have the
opportunity. I thought we were going to bring this up >> with his budget, >> but we need that information about Rachel and what you're talking what your estimate is. Okay. >> Okay. So, we're going. So, then from
there, what do we need to do? We need to do schedule CRA budget meeting and addum amendment number three. That would be the the public work the public um count >> to the county yet. >> Okay. >> We will. We just need to set a date and
then I can report from there. >> We'll have to We don't have to reach out to the county. >> Okay. Remember to reach out to county. No, it's coming in from from >> No, it's coming in from FLC. >> FLC, sorry. >> So, talking about property taxes, >> talking about property taxes and at the
conference, you're going to probably hear and and get maybe some ideas what people are doing. Go, please bring that back. >> I'm not going on the website. They actually have individual flyers done and they have
power that you can customize. And I mean I'm glad that we just have to make sure that we're careful about spending money. >> Yes. Sharita. >> Oh, no. I'm sorry. >> I thought you said I thought you said
something. So >> So whatever date we pick, we need to make sure that we're blasting this out to everybody. >> Yeah. >> Whenever we will. >> Okay. >> So you need a date for us for the CRA budget meeting. Thought we already went
over this area, but >> we have we need to do >> a last budget run through, right? >> When do we want to do that? >> When will you be ready to do that? >> I'll be ready fairly quickly. We're waiting on There's one item we're
waiting on from the state. We're waiting on they need to update their information for the county the county's um military >> and that and that and once we get that will be complete which I believe they're going to have that on by the end of this
month. They told me August sometime in August. >> That's what they told me. >> A target >> tenative. Yeah. >> Two weeks ago and she said just August. So maybe we'll have a I mean they have a turn in a maximum rate by July 31st.
>> Right. I I would say if you all I mean whatever date you want. I'll be ready. I'll be ready. >> Okay. Mayor, could the city manager suggest a date? Because you're waiting on some information. We don't know when you might get that information. Um,
>> and I know that everybody will start traveling the week of. So, you've got that first week we have a commission meeting on the 4th. >> Um, >> can can we do it on the first? August 1st, which is Tuesday. >> August.
>> August is Saturday. >> Well, since we're having a commission meeting >> September, >> you say commission. Sorry, I thought he was suggesting to meet before the August 4th commission meeting. That's
>> third August. >> Mayor before. >> I don't recommend that we try to squash that in before the commission meeting. >> I don't either. And I don't think you're going to have your information that you're going to need by then. >> I hope so.
>> So, you could go to the 10th or you could go to the 24th of August. Um, yes. >> Do you want to try for the 10th? >> 24th in August. Ma'am, >> I'm actually going to request time off on the 10th. My birthday's on the 11th
and I want the off. >> Okay. >> 24th of August. >> 24th of August. >> What about the 25th? Can you do the 25th of August? >> Can everybody do the 25th of August? >> Commissioner Burton, will you all be back? We would be here. Okay. >> We should We should have everything in
place by then. Now on that meeting, do you want me to go ahead and schedule full budget the entire go? Okay. >> We'll have time. >> We're doing what time? >> Uh you want to do the 11:00 or you want to do 10 o'clock? >> No, we're not doing
>> I'll leave that up to you all. I'm good for 10 o'clock. We can do 11:00. >> 10 o'clock is good for me. >> 10:00 or 5 p.m. >> Okay. Right. We're talking about Tuesday the 25th and is all good
>> at 10:00. >> Commissioner would like to do 11. >> I'm fine with 11:00. >> Commissioners, are you good with 11? >> Yeah, >> sure. >> Okay. 11. >> So that's about 11 till 8:00.
>> This is a workshop. >> It's just a workshop. We're being there. We should >> if we have all the information we need, we should be able to get it done. >> Yeah. >> I'm sorry to ask again. Am I reaching out to the representative at the FLC or is that something you're reaching out
on? >> Um, no. We >> are. >> They are. >> Okay. Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. >> But that's what we're finding out on the 25th is a budget workshop. >> The budget workshop. >> Budget workshop. Okay. What are we going to do? the town [laughter] hall meeting
we're gonna want to do in the evening. >> Um, >> and honestly, we can run that into September if need be, but >> um >> I think we probably should just because August is going to be here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> So, >> do you want to do it on September 1st >> on Tuesday? Um, >> do it on a second because I'm >> That's a Wednesday though. But everybody's at church. A lot of people that go to church, they have church service on Wednesday.
>> We think evening time. >> All right. So, you talking September 1st? >> What are you talking about? >> We could do September September. >> This is a town hall meeting. I know. Commissioner War probably. >> We could do September 3rd on Thursday.
>> And I wasn't say, but [clears throat] anyway. >> Um, >> no. Okay. September 1st is fine. I should be able to make that. And you're going to do it at 6 p.m. >> I think the third we're getting too close to Labor Day. >> And really and truly, we that whole week
people might still might travel for that. I don't know. Um but we can do it on the first if everybody wants to do on the first. >> No ma'am. Yes. For the for the amendment three. >> Town hall. >> That's Tuesday September 1st.
>> Is this League of Cities? >> Yes. >> No, that's just >> Okay. Are y'all talking into your mics or >> No, she's asking if that's League of Cities >> Tuesday. That would be their part of their presentation. Yes, >> your presentation was perfect. >> Yes,
>> that's what you want to show. It's a perfect presentation. >> Yes, they speak to it much much better than we can. >> Yes. >> Were you supposed to try and meet someone? >> You can. That would even be better. >> Okay. >> Well, or I can I mean I can reach out. I
I'll be happy to reach out. >> But you have more time, >> right? So, are we choosing Tuesday? >> Are we choosing Tuesday, September 1st? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Subject to change, Sharita, before you
advertise that, just in case they have another date that they can provide somebody here that maybe can speak to us. >> What? >> And I'll wait a while before. >> Yeah. Give her a day or two. >> And I can also talk to our other mayors
and see if in South if they want to. um if they want to participate too. So if everybody wants me to that's that's the pleasure of the commission. >> I think it would be beneficial. I think
if they're going to if we can get somebody from from there to come to come and speak that it would be >> benefic. Okay. And I know you want to get out of here. I just for clarification purposes um remember that uh Mr. Overturf will be
here on the 23rd. He'll be here this Thursday from 10 to 12 to go over answer questions, help with getting, you know, your paperwork that you need it. Um he did have some concerns or some questions I guess. Commissioner Devito, you raised that you had some concerns about salary.
>> No, I didn't raise anything that I asked the city manager to please get with Mr. Over. >> Okay. So I talked to him and I had him sent this resolution I mean this ordinance. >> So he was sent I just just for everybody to know I asked Sharita she sent it to him
>> which specifically states what our salary is. >> Okay. >> And so and I asked him also to confirm with the state to make sure because there's salary dollars and there's benefit dollars >> and that they are going off the salary dollars and a combination of both. >> And that's what we said. I talked to
them on Friday. >> Okay. So anyway, with that, um, you can you ready to go? I mean, you can go. >> I had one thing I wanted to bring up. >> So, the city manager raised the schedule for painting the water tower. >> Yes.
>> Correct. >> There the painting of the water tower. You brought up that they're going to be painting it in the next month or two. >> Yes, we are. >> And you said there was a question from the contractor about what they wanted us to paint on there. and we kind of had
some discussion and um I didn't know exactly what the timetable was, but I wanted to bring up to the commission. We might think about um putting this out to the public if we have some suggestions
um that we ask for suggestions or ask for um comment on the suggestions that we have because it belongs to the whole town. So that's my comment about that. Um, I guess that's all I have. >> And you could do something with We did
that before. Was it monkey survey or something? >> Survey monkey. >> Survey monkey. [laughter] >> Put that out. We've done that before. >> So, you can come up with some designs for that. >> Um, I do want to mention real fast that
here we are. We're painting that water tower. And I don't know people. I'm just going to ask you. And you know, Jonathan made this recommendation to me and it's a very good recommendation to put around the city boxes with suggestion suggestion boxes for what people are hoping to see in the city or that they
have a concern with to make it easy for them. But we've got to start as commissioners opening our eyes also and looking at things. And so when you go around to the water tower, okay, we've got a house over here that's redoing its place. Raquel, Ra, Rashelle, Raquel,
she's redoing, they've worked on their place. Manny's worked on his place and then this is what they step out of their driveway and this is what they look at. >> And we should be ashamed of ourselves. >> What is that? >> That's our water building. >> It has no door handles. Look at the
windows. >> Look at this. >> Yeah. You need to get I'm gonna excuse myself. Thank you very But this is something that I mean >> we we've got to do better. >> We are better. We've got to do better.
>> Okay. >> Um I'm not being critical, Derek. Please know if you I'm just saying that public work, >> I'm going to get it fixed. >> Yeah. >> Whatever you have, whatever we have to do, we need to it needs to look better.
We need to be better. And then um also >> just say what it is on the side. >> Yeah. And if it's even still being I know that Jason I see him go in and out of it so I know that there's something in there. But also the school over here
um the middle school the hedge I took a picture of it that hedge is encroaching all on the sidewalk for people. People can't really even walk down that sidewalk alongside um Miller Middle South
on South Prospect. So please if you would reach out to the school and ask them about getting that head. >> Okay. >> Do we have any other I think maybe every meeting we should every commissioner needs to bring
>> wait just a way to >> I'll take entertain a provide commissioner to be >> okay I have a proper motion to adjurnn. Do I have a second? >> Second. Okay, I have a second. All in favor, please say I.
>> I. >> Did I hear you say no, Commissioner? >> Uh, no. [laughter] >> We are at 3:45. 3:44. >> Okay.