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July 16th, 2026. The time is --------- approximately 11:12. [clears throat] Um I will say that Commissioner Moore um has an excused absence today. Everyone her um her mom is in ICU right now. So everybody um

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she's in our thoughts. So with that, I'm going to um we're going to do the invocation and the pledge of allegiance. Please stand if you are able. Dear heavenly father, we come to you today, Lord, and we just ask you to look

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upon us and give us the wisdom that we need to get through this, Lord, for the people that we serve in this community. Help us to discern what is good and what is not necessary.

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And Lord, we ask you also to lift up the Mor family and be with them and everyone in our community as we go forward. We ask you in the Lord's Jesus precious name. Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. Allegiance. >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the for it stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Okay, madam clerk, if you'll do a roll call force, please [laughter] really

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[laughter] >> commissioner Burton. >> Uh, here >> here. >> Commissioner Mr. Ko, Vice Mayor William J. Lori, >> present.

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Mayor Michelle, >> I'm present. >> City Manager Derek Martin >> here. >> Okay, we're a little more here than we need to. >> Finance director Steve Conklin >> here. >> Assistant city manager CR manager Bonnie Lope >> here.

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>> And myself, the city clerk Sharita Boer. Um, and we have a quum. >> Okay. [laughter] Thank you. Thank you very much. If [clears throat] nobody was awake or deaf, you are now and I apologize. >> We are now. >> Thank you commission for being here today for this workshop. Um we worked to

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try to bring you all the the best numbers we can based on what we know we have coming in. We're going to start out with our um our better place our discretionary fund today. It should be in front of you. >> Um >> yes, before we start, can I ask a question?

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>> Yes. Okay. Um of you commission. Um, I noticed that it says budget workshop. We don't have a place on here for public comment. I will always ask for public comment. I think there [clears throat] are two people here um who want to

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comment on something that would fall under the general budget update. So, so under under general under general revenue and not the two that are before us today. Is that correct? Um, I think since I've spoken to them,

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>> I'll go ahead and we can open up public comment. If you want to come forward, please come forward. State your name, your address if you will. >> Am I good to hear? >> Yes. >> Hi, my name is Angie and I represent a small local 501c3 nonprofit here in

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Crescent City. We are made up entirely of volunteers that are dedicated to improving the lives of the people and pets in our area. Um, I'm proud to say that over the past 12 years, we've been continually able to

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to provide support for assistance with emergency vet care, spay and neuter services, and DNR efforts. I think we can all agree that Cresant City has a significant overpopulation of stray unvaccinated and animals and cats.

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It's an issue that affects public health, animal welfare, neighborhood quality of life, and even the image of our community. All pet owners should have their pet registered, vaccinated, spayed, neutered, or possess a breeder's license, and safely contained. And

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responsible pet ownership should always be encouraged and supported. However, the facts are that funds are low, resources are limited, and the cats already living in our streets are not going to fix this problem themselves. If we do not add, the population will

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continue to grow, and so will the challenges that come along with it. Each cat costs between $45 and $79 for this failure neuter surgery, plus a rabies vaccination, in addition to fuel and other expenses. Just since January of

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this year, we have TNRed 36 cats, several of them pregnant females, right here in City Hall's backyard. Every cat we sterilize prevents future litters, reduces nuisance complaints, and ensures another cat is vaccinated against rabies. With a confirmed rabies case

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recently identified in a neighboring community, proactive management of our feral cat population is more important than ever for public health and safety. Our greatest challenges are the cost of spay neuter surgeries, transportation, and volunteers. We currently have one

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volunteer available to transport cats to the clinic once each month in their own personal vehicle. We have two dedicated trappers using their own supplies. While our volunteers are committed to trapping and caring for these cats, limited surgical funding and transportation

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greatly reduces the number of animals we are able to help. We are asking the city to partner with us by helping to spay to helping by helping to fund spay and neuter surgeries and by possibly in the future exploring ways to help with

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transportation whether through access to a city vehicle, transportation assistance or another creative solution. Even modest support would allow us to TNR significantly more cats and improve the health of both our community and its animals. Our

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volunteers are ready to continue to do the work. We simply need a partner to help us expand our impact. The cats aren't going to fix themselves, but together we can make a real and lasting difference. >> Any questions? >> I just was wondering what's the name of

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your group? >> South Pan Animal Network. >> SP I can tell you I have a few numbers here. So last Thursday or last t this Tuesday of this week, just the day before

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yesterday, we trapped five cats right back here. June 9th, we trapped another cat, five cats right back here. March 10th, five more from this area and the Ace Hardware area. Um, I drove through

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your back parking lot last night. There are at least four adult cats without an ear tip plus kitchens. >> So it really is I mean and that's right here right now >> right this parking lot. >> So >> where are you taking [clears throat] them to? >> We are taking them to Flagger Cats. I

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also I don't know if you guys want to pass this list around. I have a list of facilities that will do spay and neuter surgeries. Um, 70 miles away, 64 miles away, 87 miles away. Glad

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is our closest at 29. The closer we get, the more it costs. That's where our 45 to 79 is coming in. That's what they charge. Otherwise, we drive an hour or two hours away, spend an 8 hour day waiting for pickup, and driving two hours home. And that's really a lot to ask for a volunteer who's already

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putting gas in their car. >> Yeah. >> So that's, you know, >> it's the money is so tight when we're I mean, we're picking up a lot of pregnant females, too. >> And at 79 a pop, that may as well be 100. You're taking five. We're dropping

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500 plus gas and food. >> So that's what they've gone up to for feral cats is 79, >> right? And that does come with the surgery, the ear tip, and the rabies vaccination. Mayor [laughter] question just for clarification. So 40

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you mentioned 45. Is that for neutering? >> That is for spay or neuter. >> If they are pregnant, that's when it goes to 79. >> 79. >> But we can't tell you who gets in the trap. >> No, I understand. You taste. So, like during and they do specials sometimes

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and we always take advantage of that >> um during like um I think it's during November they do um the nutcracker >> that's $5 males, >> but when you're setting traps, you don't know if you're going to get a boy or a girl. So, that one we don't typically participate in unless we have a target

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male that we're going after. Um, the kittens in the backyard, I have to tell you, it killed me to not set traps and grab those kittens yesterday, but I don't have a plan for the mama right now. I don't have an appointment and I don't have money to pay for her surgery. I cannot trap those kittens and leave

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the mama. What if I get the mama? Then I can, you know, socialize the kittens, but I've got a mama in a trap until they ever win. >> Yeah. >> I've got some numbers for Dr. Gman's office if you'd like to know those. >> Okay. You mean for the price from them?

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Yes. >> How much is How much is it right now? Just >> so for a a space surgery on a feral cat, $237 plus a $72 pre-exam plus extras because they're going to want to require. If the

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cat is pregnant, add $80 to that. Neuter surgery, $176 for a male cat plus your $72 pre surgery exam. If the cat is cryptor orchid, if there's other issues going on, you can automatically add

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another 80 bucks or more. Also, they they do the extras. They do the fluids, which cost more. Um, typically there's a plea treatment involved because they will not treat the cats without a plea treatment. So, you're looking at another 20 on top of that. Um,

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and that's where we stand. I also asked about euthanizing the barrels just in case. Um, he will not. So, [clears throat] so there you go. >> Okay. >> Well, yeah. I mean, I think that's all good information that we need to take

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into account and and think about it. I mean, you know, we supported ARC buying the Spain newer trailer, which we were hoping is going to be, you know, a big effect, but it's a very expensive um, you know, thing to do, not just buying

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the trailer, but now they found operating it was is a big deal. And >> also I can tell you that they would not do feral cavs in a >> trade. Right. Right. Right. And and that and that really is what problem that most of us >> don't have a local place to take them. >> Yes. And I mean not not to demonize Dr.

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Bman. I mean he does a lot of good work. But I mean it's >> he's a business. >> Yeah. It's a business and he is the only one. So he's what the market pays. But um I I think that you know hopefully we as we go through this process maybe we can figure out I don't know what the

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um legalities of you know how we would be able to fund or [snorts] but I I I think we definitely need to consider this and talk about working out some sort of partnership that we can help. I mean, I do know that in Laca, the friends of Laca have been doing

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>> amazing for and and unfortunately the the more they do it, the more the problem is because I think people bring cats there now. >> Well, and that's where we are as far as trying to do fundraisers or any that we need donations. You cut that out there.

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For every one donation, you get 20 calls for help. >> Yeah. And when funds are low at this point, we're having a hard time keeping up with emergency care. Yeah. >> You know, which is also a very important thing. >> We've taken I mean, Flaggler Cats at one I know very graciously they continue to

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take ones from our county. Um we've taken all of ours in our neighborhood, right? >> I know you've taken it to Clay in the Klay County. You you've taken to all How many? You've taken 50 plus. >> Yeah. 50 plus. >> And it makes for a long expensive day though, right? I can drop them off and

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come back the next day. >> That's a lot to ask for a volunteer though that's doing this for cats that aren't there. >> I just plan it that way. I know I can have business up there. Drop them off and then I can >> I think this is good conversation that we need to have, but I think we also

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need to >> hold the county accountable at the same time >> that we need that the county this is this is a countywide problem. It is a countywide problem >> and that >> it starts with the ordinances and trickles down >> for starting this with us.

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>> Thank you. >> I just want to explain something else about the ball county and why I use the ball county. >> Yeah. >> Um right now they're up to about $75. They do the

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give them all their other tracks, okay, that they need. Um, but the other thing that they do, and I've worked with them pretty pretty well with their um, uh, humane society up there, their animal uh, society that, you know, adopts them

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out. I have brought 30 to 40 kittens up there, boxes of kittens, and um, they will take [clears throat] them. >> So, they have like a kitten diversion. That's another thing. I mean, these babies, if we don't get our hands on

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them while they're little, we're'll never >> Well, and and that's why I deal with the ball. I mean, they take them. I don't pay to bring them. They take them for free. And um I just heck, you know, I I just like their attitude. Um you know,

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I've been through where they've taken me through and and brought me up into the hospital to show me how it's all done. It's it's a it was a really really cool thing. Uh the other thing that they do and I brought it back to our county,

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okay, and they kind of get out of here. But the other thing that they do is they actually train people, you know, through our high schools, especially our high school, their high schools, not ours, but they have a a program where they actually train uh people to come in and learn how to be

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an animal technician. I think what [clears throat] they do is great and and I brought that to our commission and they they don't really want to hear too much but it work I think >> yeah it's a it's a tough ball game.

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>> Are you talking to our our county commissioner for our area? >> I'm sorry >> commissioner new bowl. Are you also engaging commissioner new? >> I have not. No. >> Please make sure that you do that y'all reach out to commissioner new bowl. Um because I do think this is a conversation and with that trailer, you

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know, they made a large investment in that too. And one of the biggest problems is of course the vet services, >> right? >> But if they could somehow or another partner through with that trailer with the county, you know, that might be very

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beneficial. Even if they have to park it up there at at the facility, >> it's better than driving 60 miles away. and to be able to offer this. And so they're going through their budget right now, too.

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>> And and of course, um the Val County, uh Marian County, okay, in Gainesville, uh they have they have a place up there. I forget the name of it, but I but I know that Jenny also uses that area. Jenny and I took a ride up there to take

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a look at that organization. One thing I will say about the veterinarians that work with those organizations, they do it for free. >> They do. >> They come in, they they plan the animals. >> Oh yeah.

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>> They come in, they just rotate back and forth. So, you know, I don't know what why we can't >> work together. >> Yeah. >> Well, with all of this being said, would you be willing to help with transportation? Would you maybe take

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cats for a sentence now? >> Well, I've always offered that with Jenny. Jenny's never called me. I have a very very busy busy schedule. So, >> well, I do I really am. I really do. But the thing is is it's always open and if

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I can do it, I will do it. But I can't wait around cats and that's the other reason I use the ball. I drop them off and then I go I have to do >> and I can pick them. I can wait until five o'clock the next day to go pick them up, you know. So, >> well, listen, if you are honestly would

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like to help with a transport of doing that and we can get funds together and things, please let us know and we'll put you on the driver list because that's I mean that's also one of our stumbling blocks is getting people that will go and either go one day, one day, you know, two days in a row or wait all day

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or >> Yeah. >> What is it? >> I won't wait for I won't wait. >> Well, right. But you said you'd go back the next day and pick up, right? >> I plan I planned that though. You know, I planned that I I go up to the ball. >> So, you would not be willing to help us

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transport or do you want us to have a like a map together? >> I'm open to it, but I just don't want you to get your hopes up that every time you call me, I'm going to transport a cat. >> Well, of course, that's how it is anytime. >> Yeah, you can put my name down, but I just can't promise that today, you know,

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if you call me like like for example, if you called me today, I couldn't do it. >> Oh, yeah. on Monday. I'm going tell you right now, I can't do it. >> Yeah, we um so typically we we get like if we're scheduling, we get like a month in advance. And so what we do, we'd be like, "Hey, we've got these days picked.

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Would you like any of these days?" And if you Yeah, no, whatever. Something like that. But it'd be great to have your name on the list. >> Sure. >> Yay. >> We'll call that a win. >> Commissioner, you want to add your name? >> Oh, no. Um,

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>> I do ride. >> What I was going to say is that, um, I think this is great information. Um, I didn't realize that we would talk as much as we did, but it's good, good information.

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>> Um, I have a little bit more to say, but want to hold my comments until we get to the general fund part of the budget. Um but I think um we've gotten incredible data. But the the one thing I do want to

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say about Duval and what they do and what Commissioner Burton does um I'm I wonder a little bit if we tried to take all our cats to Duval, would they um is there, you know, a critical point at

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which they I don't know. Just throwing that out there. [laughter] But but I'm saying we could probably do >> too much. >> We could probably do three times as many. Um I don't you know if you looked

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at the whole county and and the other thing is we have challenges that Devalt doesn't because I don't think we have the um the number of vets that they do by any stretch of the imagination. And our vets

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already I know give tons of charity care. I mean, we're our vets, I think, are not in the same position, but anyway, um about funding our vets, but >> hold back. >> You know, we've got I I know it's a the

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we place our burden on other counties around the county. I Halifax I don't think Halifax Humane Societ I don't think they'll deal with they won't my >> county. They won't anymore. But what we also have right here is a neighboring county

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that has one of the top veterinarian um >> educations education programs. >> And so we could tap into we should be able to tap into that, >> right? It's the transportation that's here in the trailer if they go to black.

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if they were to go to Interlock and set it up somewhere like that to make it to where they could come in. It's a great training opportunity and and we should really be encouragable. >> Yeah. >> Anyway, thank you

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as always, Angie. We know that's what you do. You love >> I appreciate it. >> Yes, I know. >> And if you look for places, you can go to Avenue. We have lots of cats [clears throat] that can do. >> How are you on transport? >> Um I can't drive.

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>> There would be much room in my van for cats if I was in it. So I don't know how >> Oh, come on. But all the cats like >> Thank you guys so much. >> Thank you. >> And I encourage you to come back during um one of our our regular evening

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commission meetings regularly scheduled and speak then also. >> Okay. Okay, >> thank you. >> Okay, let's go. >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. >> Before we anything else, everybody good? Okay, let's go. >> And so, u on the agenda today, I know we

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had our better place and we had CRA and we had to catch all if there would need to be any discussion on the general fund, but I did not print out a new general fund for you all. I can put up the general fund on the screen and we can have a discussion. I just want to let y'all know that. um

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start out with a better place revenues. Um state of Florida 1 cent sales tax and you'll see this usually is provided at the beginning of July. Um there was some time off with the state of course we also uh had that time off. When we came back we checked they did not update the

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state website with the updated 1 cent sales tax. So what we utilize for now is a conservative number of last year's budget. Typically, more people come in the state, that number is going to go up. Um, so we feel real confident that we're going to have a small bump in the number that we utilize right now at

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250,000. Um, moving forward, the big number was the carry forward from the better place from 2024 that did not get included in last year's budget. Um, that was $300,000. So this year we're going to have a windfall of 300,000

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from previous budget that was not utilized and leveraged. So on top of our total charges um of 550,766 which is a 23% increase from last year.

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Um and so we continue to move down the line on the Better Place. You all will have the budget in front of you which runs through the numbers. Um, and you'll also have a spreadsheet with a table that kind of goes through each

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one. >> Um, but we'll start at the top for improvements on number one. Improvements one. We need to finalize the >> Before we Before we go into expenditures, let's stay on revenue. Yes, ma'am. Did you have a question? >> I I have a question, but you have a question. Go ahead, Commissioner Dvito.

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>> Um, well, my question two questions. My question is pretty generic. I just want to make sure. Um, well, actually the city manager said something that didn't quite line up with

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my understanding of where our money comes from. You said the $250,000 is a conservative estimate. With more people coming to the state, you think that will go up a little bit? >> Typically, yes.

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>> Okay. [clears throat] because that's that's from Putnham County. >> Right. >> Right. >> So, you know, my one of my concerns is um I mean we might have more people coming in the state. We don't know how many people will come to Pen County and

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as well if there's any kind of economic downturn in you know the coming year well it could go down. Inflation may take it up. Um economic downturn could you know counteract that. So, I appreciate you using a conservative

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number. And then it looks to me um but my math is not the best um when it said um year to date May actual of 129,000 that we are actually kind of on pace for the year.

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>> Yes. >> Would that be right? because my math shows if you divide um what we're expecting by 12 you get about 20,833 and however many months seven or eight months that we're counting here. Okay,

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so we're on track. >> Um I really don't think we I don't think >> it does lag behind too because the account lag. Yeah, I know it does but I'm I'm not sure because May is not is more than

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then halfway into the into hearing that that sales taxes are down. Sales taxes down because people's spending has have definitely been more conservative this last year. But anyway, go ahead. Anyway, Mayor Sil is going to go to

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>> But my my question is, can um staff confirm, can they go back and just confirm that we're on pace because that will make a difference. What we take in this year will make a difference >> for for going forward. >> Finance director is actually going back

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and checking the state's website right now. I'd like to get a firm number. >> I think what you have to look at is that we went from 211 to 200. So, we had about a $39,000 increase last year that they showed um that they were showing us.

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>> And so, we might be on pace for where we were back in 2024. Um >> so, that's just something to take into consideration that, you know, for us to be as conservative as we possibly can be with this. But we

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also have, like you said, we have a rollover, a carry forward of the 300,000. >> And that's also conservative. That number is lower than the actual car. >> I figured since it's a an even number um see there's nothing. >> That says expected all. Yes. The

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>> expected. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. They've been a little bit behind. So >> ready to move forward, ma'am? >> I am. [clears throat] Commissioner Dvito, you good? Um, I think I'm good. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you, mayor.

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>> Okay, let's go on expenditures. >> All right, so under improvement one, um, we have finalized entryways to the city. We have three, north, south, and 308. 308, of course, is not installed yet. Uh, we have the sign. I'm still waiting

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to uh on the county to give me direction on that. Um, but we're looking to do lighting, landscape, and irrigation at those signs. We want to make sure that they're bright at night. They're beautiful. people can see them coming in and out. Um, and during the day that they're that they have, you know, um,

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nice plants and and either some trees, something. We're going to work with tree and garden to come together to find out what the best plantings are um, for that. So, we put 10,500 in that budget um, for that. That's $3,500 for each uh,

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entrance way. And the next one is a citywide street sign upgrade. We have a lot of street signs that are incorrectly colored. We have them that are missing. We have stop signs that are not in place. Um the mayor and I, we were just driving yesterday. Uh got a call about a

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couple things we had to go check on together. And we were driving on um what street was that again? The main road that we were on. There was a >> Prospect. >> Prospect. >> And a lot of our streets, they're awkward. Sometimes there's a that you have a two-way this way, then a two-way that way. They should be all fourways.

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And that's how they are in a lot of cities our size. It just makes it a lot safer. um this 25,000 can cover the striping for that and and the signs for those the stop new stop signs and poles for that. So, we're looking at doing projects um to upgrade our street signs

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and the four-way stops. >> Um any questions on infrastruct or improvements? Number one, >> I don't know that the 10,5 $3500 that's more than we paid for all the signs combined. You can easily put the hanging

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plants next to it. Yes. >> I don't know how you're going to get the irrigation, >> especially in these in some of these especially the south one. You know, the north one might you can, but the south one might be a little difficult. So, I don't know. As far as the landscaping, we need to put something that's out

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there that's hardy. >> Um, >> yeah. And it's and it's native. >> Yeah. Something native. >> But I don't know that 3,500 per per entryway. So, I'm just saying that's just that's that's a high estimate.

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>> It is. >> Anyway, Commissioner. >> Yes. And I did have thought about that if we're going to go into specifics. Um, you had mentioned the hanging baskets that have been suggested for the signs at either end of town. Um,

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I worry that unless we do that something special to make them very very secure, um, the hanging baskets might be very vulnerable to disappearing. >> Are you saying they'll have legs? >> Yeah, I am. Um, I'm very worried about

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that. The ones on Central Avenue are really inaccessible. You know, they >> they're high. >> They're significantly high. you. Um, but I know the flower shop has had issues with things. I mean, it's just something

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to consider because they're not really attendant, you know, etc., etc. It's just those and they shouldn't be. I mean, that's a, you know, that's a hanger. I mean, those I mean, your cost with that is does not have to be that expensive. So, I don't have that.

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>> I'm just >> I understand it's got fake flowers in it. It's going to have fake flowers in it. They're very >> Another thing that we had thought about just as a design we and and of course these things I'll bring to you all before we pull the trigger on any of it is that to have a trough on the bottom. So you can have an open trough from from

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board to board and on the inside you can do a flower set and and and make it colorful. You know, it doesn't have to be baskets. But I think the one thing we talked about and correct me if I'm wrong, they're not I don't think they're called sconces, but what are the pieces that connect in like this that have the designs?

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We had you could you could >> Yeah. So so some of that we're going to put together a concept for you all and bring that to you all. Um and hence that's why I had just a higher price in there to cover those costs. Some of them can get irrigated, some can't. >> Um

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>> I mean this is just a number right now. It's just a number right now to design right now. Just >> correct. >> Right. And we need the we need caps on the tops of those. >> Correct. There's still work to be done. >> Color lighting. So solar lighting is easy um and and relatively inexpensive. You don't have to run electricity, but

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we absolutely need some solar lighting >> to um >> highlight it. We didn't think about this. Those light those signs aren't reflective. Yes. >> So when you're coming into town at night, it doesn't headlights hit it and it doesn't light up. >> Yeah. >> All right. So moving forward under

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infrastructure number two, um this is storm water upgrades for Lake Street. We have some culverts that are are going bad. We have [clears throat] curbing that needs to be replaced just like we did in front of Miss Kings. Um, and we have some drainage that have been reduced down. Some of the coverts been

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reduced down. We found out from doing some uh videotaping that that some of the coverts going out to the lake actually went down to an 8 in pipe, a 10-in pipe from 15 in. And that's not typical. Not sure when that happened or occurred, but it's caused a pinch. Some

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of the yards have had some cave-ins and pipe failure. We're looking at um at upgrading some of those on Lake Street just to make sure that we take care of of any of those flood issues. At the same time, we're working on get a

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grant and have uh have a plan for major drainage issues along the south end of our bank there. So, um, so I have $75,000 in there for that. The other is $30,000 for electrical and irrigation upgrades over at Evil Lion Park.

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Something that's really needed out there. We already have the bones of the irrigation. We need to get it reset, expand it, fix the areas that have problems. And then the electrical upgrades are for the boxes that keep popping. We need to upgrade those. I would like to take those to the trees,

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especially if we're going to continue doing lighting, which is, I think, important for the city. Um, and I'm going to try to mimic what St. Augustine has done because they have nothing but oak trees and they have a specialized system they've put in those trees for lighting. And so I'd like to work with them to see what they've done. I don't

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think we have enough in the budget for that this year, but at least the electrical components can be done to where they're not popping and having issues. >> Yeah, that's a that's a constant issue. And it rains, I have to go out there and pop every time. So every time. No

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questions on that. The next is going to be equipment three. This is this is um right now I have 100,000 in for public works and CCNG trucks. It's supposed to say trucks. I have two trucks that are down right now.

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A 2013 and a 2017 with the CCNG. Uh and they are out of that truck. We just got one of them fixed. and the um the maintenance uh gentleman, the people that worked on it wrote a report on it and said that it's on its last leg, that we need to be looking for a vehicle. I

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also have a vehicle in public works that needs to be uh given out to another employee. We need to add another. We are we are tandeming trucks right now with guys because we don't have enough trucks. Uh I put a h 100,000 as a placeholder. I feel that we should do a

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heavy buyout on the lease and then have the payments um on that lease done through the general fund and trade out what we've got in there for maintenance and oil and maintenance and repair for those because we have several thousands of dollars in there. Um but I'm looking

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for three trucks is what I'm trying to do. Two for the fire or two for the gas and one for public works. >> Okay, [clears throat] a couple questions about that if I may. Thank you. Okay. So, for the city manager, thank you. All

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right. So, you're saying that um Hold on. Where am I? $100,000 public works and gas truck. So, you're talking about three trucks. >> Three trucks. >> Okay. Um and this is

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Wait a minute. [clears throat] This might have been someplace else. I thought I saw a specific truck, but maybe I'm remembering another spreadsheet. Okay, you're probably thinking of the claw truck that we talked about. Maybe the claw truck. >> Yeah, these are

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>> truck whatever. >> Yeah, these are the trucks. >> Hang on. So, sir, I'm I'm pouring in now and thank you. Thanks, Vice Mayor. So these are three trucks and they are shared jointly by public works and natural gas.

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>> No ma'am. So right now I have I have workers in public works that are sharing a vehicle. >> I want to I want to have the availability to split them up in order to spread them around town a little bit better. Um and I'm I'm down a truck and

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public works. Correct. What I'm asking about is it says public works and Crescent City natural gas truck. So for that 100,000 Well, it says and three trucks. >> Three. >> Three trucks total.

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>> Okay. So there's two trucks that are used by the natural gas department. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. So two are natural gas. Um >> and I fixed that on the spreadsheet. I'm sorry I didn't have that on there. Just >> Okay. So,

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what what exactly what's the relationship between the 100,000 here and then the leasing? >> So, the relationship is that we can still make the purchase on the vehicle because ultimately we're going to buy out that that lease that that vehicle or

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trade. We can utilize these funds for the down payment on a new on a new truck. Okay. The lease for the vehicle can be done through the general fund. We would pay on the the actual monthly payment lease through the general fund. And what we would do is we would trade

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out all of the maintenance costs that we have for vehicles for those payments. What I want to do to buy that lease down is by utilizing these funds because it's our asset. So we can put 10 or 20,000 down on a vehicle. Buy that lease down. the payment becomes more affordable and

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we get what we're looking for, which I believe what we have priced out on a buyout is Ford F-250s, 4x4 single cabs, gasoline, uh, which are about $50,000 a piece. And so that's the total cost, but we can

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build it in the budgets for the next couple years, let's say three years to do a buyout or trade that in and get the best money back as well because they'll do a buyback. Now, I'm still waiting to work with Unified, which is the company that came and did uh um that that we

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talked about before, and I'm trying to get numbers based on those trucks. >> The ones that we had, that price that he gave me originally was for a 250 4x4 diesel double cap. We don't need all that. We don't need all that. >> So, >> okay, mayor. I'm not sure. Go ahead,

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Commissioner. Okay. So, we we discussed in prior years that we can't lease, but if we're making a down payment, I I just want to make sure that

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it is ex it's acceptable under state law for us to use better place funds for a down payment on something that we're not really buying. That was my qu that was my question too is to make sure that you go first that we can um that that's an

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allowable that's an allowable expense because you don't own that vehicle. >> Yes. >> So there's no ownership there. So just make sure that >> I will double check on that >> because that's very important that it's an allowable expense when there's no ownership involved because typically with better place there needs to be

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ownership >> and it's like a fiveyear um I mean you you lifespan >> so just make sure I'm not I'm not quite sure you can do that with that. >> Okay. Can I ask how much money you have uh in the budget for oil and gas and

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tires and what have you for for our budget? >> I would have yes, I would have to go in and grab all of those because it is split between uh the accounts, but we have we have thousands of dollars in there for I know two line items that sell. I know one has 7,000, another one

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has 6,000. I'd have to go in and add all of them up for you, but I can do that. I can get that answer for you. Even through a lease program though, tires as they wear out, you're responsible. >> You're responsible for that. >> You know, your oil, all of that. I mean, honestly, with any type of a lease,

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unless you put it under a fleet program, right, >> to where they do that servicing, that maintenance servicing, right, >> um, which is different from a lease, >> right? >> You know, that's you're responsible for all of those all of the operational cost of that vehicle. >> Yeah. and they did have that on there

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where they handle all of the fleet maintenance for it. Everything is is done that way. With Unified, they also um basically give us the time that we have to trade that truck and sometimes on certain vehicles and the trucks that we're looking at, you can actually make

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money on the second end on a buyout and get into a new lease. So, that's other options that I'm looking at to bring you all. The reason I asked the question that I asked is there enough money to start that program with that money instead of the better place money in case you can't use better place money.

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>> I believe there's enough money for payments. I don't believe that without adding a a line item or in there for a down payment. I don't have Yeah. for for for that lease. I don't believe we have that >> currently. We have a surplus in the

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budget, but I also don't know what millage rate we're going to be at. And so I don't know exactly what that surplus is at this time. >> Based on the 8.71, we have a good surplus. So we can we can use >> a plan B. I think it's a good plan, but

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>> plan B. Okay, I got it in case we can't use this 100,000. >> Um I was just going to say I mean let's we just leave that as a placeholder. Figure it out. let's, you know, [clears throat] move on. I don't think we need to sit here and >> discuss this over and over. But the the

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companies that you're talking about, there's more than one of them in the market. And I don't understand the economics of it, but they they seem to be pretty good at what they do >> and they work with a lot of municipalities. >> They make a lot of they make it work for a lot of cities. So, yeah, I think we need to be a little open-minded. But, of

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course, I also am always the one talking about the requirements for state law and make sure that we don't run a foul of that. Okay. because that those monies are very encumbered in certain ways. >> Sure. That's why that's why I brought that question up. Um you've also if we

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look back on our past as far as what we've had on there for Better Place and and that's why we're in a workshop today is to talk about all of this so that we can get it out in the open and we all have a good understanding of what our plan is as we go forward with this Better Place dollars. um that

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[clears throat] uh you had on there before like you wanted the clam truck and that clam truck and how necessary that could be. And then also K Cabota. So we've got the one K Cabota. We share it with the fire with the fire department during any type of um events that we have. They use it

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for an emergency right uh vessel to get people in and out or to the to the emergency to the ambulances if they need be. >> Right. Um, we didn't do we haven't purchased a second one. >> No, we have not. >> And I think from a public work

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standpoint and also for a Corey standpoint, um, it makes it much easier for him when he's out doing the meter reading. So often times he's in town, if he's in town, he's using that Kabota and our public works can't use it, the

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Kabota sometimes can be very beneficial to him. I mean, I would encourage you to to put that somewhere in the budget because the K Cabota is not that expensive. And you don't have to go with a K Cabota. >> You can go with a John Deere. You can go with a Gator or something. Yeah. You can

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go with something else. >> Well, because that's what they have in their budget as the Kabota and that's what people identify as rather than a side by side because side by side sometimes has a negative connotation and driving it around town. Um, so anything

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like that, a work a work vessel. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Let's do >> Yes, ma'am. >> A mobile work vessel. >> Another thing to think too and talking about plan B, we'll look at the legalities of that and and I'll double check that and run that up. However, we did price out with Beck and I don't know

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if it was just what they had or if it was state program. The truck we're looking at is $50,000 for purchase. We could get two trucks and pay them outright. I just didn't want to utilize it that way. I wanted to try to keep

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some funds in there for public works equipment just like that. >> Why are we not looking at other places? Why are we not kind of >> That was just a quick oneoff that Keith had given me because I asked him to give me some numbers. So, you're correct. We should look at Garber. >> Right. Right. [clears throat]

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>> Because I didn't buy my Chevy because I got it cheaper somewhere else. Okay. >> Yes. Yes, ma'am. >> Mayor, yes. If I could circle back around to my question about gas department. So, this would be an item where we're

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actually having better place [snorts] pay for an enterprise fund piece of equipment. Correct. >> So, um and I looked at gas department budget. gas department budget um cut is

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balanced right now without including the purchase of two trucks. Um, but I'm thinking it might be a good time to start keeping track of what other funds are buying for the gas department and

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making a formalized um, you know, understanding that yes, Commissioner Lori just said payback that would be one thing. uh if there are you know if we do better in the gas department then we would be set up for

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that instead of I don't think we could necessarily do it retroactively um which is why I'm leaving it up and then to follow up on Mr. Burton's question um about is there money in the

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budget to do the lease? That was my original thought. Not just I mean do we have we actually you don't have to answer me now but my question is and these two budgets need to fit together.

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um if we're making a down payment, if that's legal from one budget, we better make double sure that there is the the funding, whatever line of it comes from um to make the payments. But that was all I had on that.

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>> And and I would say that at the level that we're at today right now with what you all already saw on the general fund with the current surplus at 8.71, I would say yes. I I don't know because I have not

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balanced any other budget based on another mill rate and so to get that answer I would need to know we would have to go a little bit further down the line but I feel that there is money in the budget to do that for sure. For sure. I think even if we were to do as

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Commissioner Devito was talking about if we act as kind of as we act as the loan officer, >> the general fund acts as a loan officer to gas and then it's on a monthly basis that that's paying us back. So that's

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something to think about that we and that's really what we should be doing with all of our enterprises is you know the general fund can do that and then that's then and there's interest involved too and so look at the legalities of that that if you're going to do that you know can we can we charge

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our enterprise fund interest >> yeah I don't want to do that but >> well I'm just saying that if it's there >> you're going to have to but I don't >> and we can't say this enough that if if this if this passes this

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passes at this next time, we're going to have to look at everything we can in order to stay afloat. >> Yeah. >> Okay. For our general fun. >> Yeah. The no tax. >> Amendment three. >> Amendment three. Now it has a name. Amendment three. They've called it amendment three. For those people that

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don't know what amendment three is, that's the the agile or on no tax on >> on homesteaded properties >> and adjustments on >> so a practice that we need to be doing and that they've encouraged us and I don't how many of you were on the

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webinar the other day on Monday. >> Um if you weren't, you need to probably watch it. Um >> but you need to um we need to have a practice of showing, you know, for us

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what we're looking at next year, >> right? >> Uh as we go forward. So that's just something that you might want to do during this budget season. I think we need to do it right now. It's it's it's important and we do that so that we have an understanding and the general public

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has an understanding because they've taken some of those safeguards out for the public where you don't have to >> provide the level of service that you've provided before, >> right? >> You know, that's a big that's >> loss of service. >> Yeah, that's that's really big. But we I

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think in our general fund, we've got to make sure that we're being prudent um as we go forward to to protect it. >> I agree. And we we kind of started that process with that when we, you know, received the numbers from the county

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based on what the losses would be year one, year two. I have those numbers and and so we can definitely look at >> I know it's extra work on on on the two of you, but I really would like for you to do that for us so that we have a a

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really good understanding as to how much we're going to have to cut out of our general fund. >> Right. And what I would like to do is when we when we get >> well everyone but it starts here >> when we get to a finalization of and I think the because it's not happening

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right away but I think when we get to a finalization of what our budget is this year we can plug those numbers in and I can bring back and show you all based on where we're at today what it would look like tomorrow once we get there. We just need a little bit more time to get there and finalize everything. But yes, I

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agree with you. It would be great for you all to see and for the public to see as well, you know, because we don't have like today we're talking about budget and we've got three people in the audience, you know, out of 1700 people that live here in town. >> Um, and so we need to get that message

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out. >> I believe year two is about $300,000 loss >> in revenue for this. >> 300,000 300,000 total loss. >> Yes. After full face. Yeah. >> Does it get worse after a second? No, >> it's supposed to stay right there.

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>> 50,000. Second year is 250,000. Although the the amendment allows for the eventual elimination of all homestead property taxes, but that's for the legislature to decide how to do in the future. >> Yeah. >> Which to me is a very sneaky back way to

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do because we're talking about being one too, which is definite. there's still if it's passed that means that they can put it in place for sometime in the future get rid of all the homestead taxes but we know what is for sure now we can look at those numbers we know what they need

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the rest of it's who knows the question mark [clears throat] on the subject of the effects of amendment three and planning for that maybe a town hall meeting um >> starting meetings on that I've pretty

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much made a decision and I was going to asked to have a town meeting here. Uh I think the uh presentation that Casey Cook made for the leader of cities was just spot on. It was very very well done. >> They have a slide deck on the website.

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>> And I think that that would be an excellent presentation right there. Not for us to sit here and talk about it, but let somebody that has all the numbers, tell you exactly what's going to happen, talk to everybody. It's just a wonderful presentation. So yes, both

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>> right. Yes, I've worked with Casey Cook now for six years um participating in the advocacy committee. That's why I go to the League of Cities conferences because I learn a lot from others and him. But what I was

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trying to say is in addition to the direct effect on our budget, I think we need to get some idea from the county. asked the county to look at this because there are things that they are responsible for that um if we or our

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residents are depending on them for these things. We need to be cognizant of how our county as a whole is going to be affected. >> I think basic education what it's all about has to come first.

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>> And so once we start to talk once we start to go through I know what [clears throat] the mayor saying going through saying well geez we're going to have to cut this out. >> They need to understand why >> right >> so that they're not coming here with pitchforks >> okay saying you can't you can't do this.

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this is why it's happening. They need to understand why. So, I think that's that is a very good place to start. >> Well, and in talking to the the chairwoman for the county, and I've had conversations on this with her, um they're looking at a $15 million loss.

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>> Oh, yeah. >> So, they're looking they're doing the same thing. They're going through the same they're going to have to go through the same exercise that we're that we're talking about. going to happen. And so what I'm saying is for example, animal control is a good example. Where are

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there places where our community receives assistance from the county, whether it's roads or animal control that we will perhaps no longer be able to even look to them for assistance.

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>> Um or for example, recre whatever it is. Recreation um would be probably there. But that that affects us. >> Yes. >> Yes. Thank you very much. I was waiting for direction. Okay. So the next line item under equipment three, I have

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$150,000 in this line item specifically for the generators um for lift stations around the city. When talking to Keith, there's only four or five that actually need the generators. Generators are pretty heavily priced. They can be anywhere from 15 to 25,000 and more. We

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also have some lift stations in town that need to be rebuilt or replaced. The last time we rebuilt a lift station was about 50 or $60,000 and it was a middle of the night, we got to do it kind of thing. So, um it was a surprise, if you

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will. So, I would like to have the money in there for that. >> Excuse me. You're you're planning $150,000 for five lift stations or five new lift stations? >> No, these are the existing lift stations and they're the generators. So when they

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go down in power generator >> that's just the generators. Yes, ma'am. >> So the generators cost how much? >> They can range. I mean a heavy duty generator sometimes can go up to even $40,000, but we're we're we were talking about 15 to 25,000 per generator.

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>> Okay. Okay. And then you have how many that that might need some overhaul? >> He didn't give me a for sure. He's checking on that now. But he said he said he knows of at least one that needs to be actually replaced on 308. >> The generator or the station >> the station, the components of the lift

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station. >> Yeah. So the submersible, everything that goes with that. We just got a quote on the submersible replacement which he's putting other pieces together. That quote was for like 13 or 14,000 just for the the pump component. >> Go ahead. I'm sorry. >> I was going to say it's better if we can

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plan and do it on our time instead of waiting for it to go down. Correct. Being an emergency. >> So, there's a heavy placeholder here. And I know it's heavy, but as I get more quotes and get a better idea from him, I'll tighten that up. >> That one that went down went over back behind. Save a lot. How How much was that one?

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>> $60,000. >> Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, mayor. >> Yes. If I could. So, lift stations. >> That's actually waste of water. Correct. Mhm. >> So again, I would make the same observation there. I don't think there's

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any spare money in the wastewater budget. >> This repair and replace, >> but repair and replace, >> it it falls under a repair and replace. And so if we can game that out and plan it, it would be much better. But repair

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and replace is for overhauling, replacing and expanding um and renewing the the sewer, you know, the wastewater treatment or wastewater system. So lift stations fall under that. And I mean that's why we pay an extra $5 every month in your bill. It goes into the

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repair and replace fund >> and that's what the money for the one that went down. That's where it came out of the repair and replace. >> But I don't know. >> I think we should use that before we use got to replace that money. Well, I would agree that um again since it's an enterprise fund, if there is money in

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the budget and I don't have a figure in front of me, I agree with Commissioner Worried, we should use any funds available from that enterprise fund. And again um if wastewater fund does not have the money then again I think we

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need to put it in the nature of a repayable loan if the funds do become available because that doesn't but it's something we need hands down I I think I brought it up at one of the last meetings you need to have operating

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lift stations and I appreciate the staff bringing that forward very very much. We'll take a look at the repair and replace fund and see what what we have and and budget accordingly with wastewater. Okay. >> Thank you, ma'am. Okay. >> So, moving forward under public building

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improvements, got a few line items in here. Um, new carpet in in the chamber here and in city hall, we're doing an overhaul in here. We're going to have our security. We have our new AV system that we're putting up and um the carpets

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uh fraying in a bunch of places and it it needs to be replaced. So, we're looking at replacing the carpet. Um, $15,000 for city hall. And again, this is a placeholder. I don't have quotes yet. I'm waiting to get some in. Um, we also should probably talk about the

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lighting in here as well and and look at some of the upgrades maybe for lighting, but I have a $15,000 placehole in there for that. The next is citywide camera system. This is from FRATA. I'm currently working with an individual with FRATA that does their grant

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writing. we're going to put in for a grant for this. Uh but right now I would like to make sure we have a placeholder in for the camera systems. These camera systems will be on every asset that the city has. All of our parks, all of our own buildings, areas like city hall. And

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so I've got a quote from them for that. Put this in the system. It's a little higher than their quote just for any electrical work because the great thing about them is that they have a SIM card just like a phone. And so they hold their own internet. All we have to do is have power and we'll have cameras like

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the ones that you saw, excuse me, that was out at the Dexter Beach have about three separate cameras and some cameras that are 360 angle cameras at the parks and they integrate with the sheriff's office as well. So the sheriff can monitor, we can easily get alerts and

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also send them information. They can they can capture what they need. >> Did we put this out for bid? >> Uh they're sole source. >> They're a soul source. >> They're a soul source. their in the their technology with with what they provide nobody else can provide. >> Okay. And you've talked to in the

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sheriff's office is >> ecstatic about it. >> No, but they're familiar with this company and they recommend >> very familiar. This company also has their cameras at school systems with the um public uh school system here in Putham County

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and the sheriff is aware of their system >> and cameras. Yes, ma'am. The next one is the um Fletcher Park Pavilion. Uh this is at the dog park. We have heavy wood rot. Uh I'm looking at trying to replace um the the rotted wood

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on the vertical beams. I'm not sure how much it'll cost. I put 10,000 as a placeholder in there. I would like to go in with a um a sort of maybe TX type system in there in order for the the wood to for it to be, you know,

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stable for a long time. >> If we had a Trex system in there, the bugs and everything wouldn't be able to get to it and eat it away. The next is a replacement deck at Sunrise Park. Again, with TX material. Um it's u it's a material, of course,

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it's heavy duty. It's almost like a It's wood, but it's almost like a plastic heavy duty polymer type material and so easy to pressure wash and clean and it would last for 25 30 years. >> It's a composite composite. There we go. Thank you.

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>> And I don't know either one of those structures are that large. I don't So I don't know that that might be over budgeting, but that's okay. We can use that money somewhere else. Great. And and also I don't know if if if the commissions decides if if we decide we

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want to that that whole pavilion really needs upgrades. The the rod iron that's around is rusted out. Uh you know the roof may need to be expanded or or we expand the the size of it for events down there or for people to use it. Um

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you know this can be utilized for that. Okay. >> Um the next is a flooring cover for Eva Lion Pavilion. So, they have a material. It's a It's a polycarbonate, a poly >> like sharp coating and epoxy. >> It It's like an epoxy, but it's even

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better. And so, I'm looking to do that in there. It'll help with slipping. It'll help with cleaning and um and aesthetically it'll look really good as well. >> It's a mess. And somebody sat down there. I mean, we just had that painted a couple of years ago. >> And you're painting the concrete that's

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already been painted, correct? So, it's going to peel. It's peeled. Somebody sat down there literally [clears throat and laughter] and peeled a huge square off of it. Just sat there right there at the stairs and they peeled the whole area and were constantly down there before an event having to pressure wash it and try to clean it up.

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>> If you can think of the stairs and walking into Waka City Hall, that material is what I'm talking about. It is solid and nobody can pick it, >> do nothing, and it'll be there for 20 years. >> And and it's sliproof. It's >> slidroof. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, we'll put that on the stairs and the flat

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surface on the pavilion. >> The other thing too hopefully what that will h what will happen with that is it you can level it out. >> So you can it can level it because it's not so when you're in there pressure washing it or cleaning it, all that water goes to the middle and then it

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just sits there and you can't get it out of there. So >> it'll all level out. They can push the water out. I'd like to have that as a pilot for Evil Lion. That's our most used park. And then eventually I like to do it at the pavilion at the beach uh over there. Upgrade that. And also down

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here at our small um >> Lake Park. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Mayor, I have a question. >> Yes. But since we're discussing specifics, so this whatever durable

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material this is um for the flooring cover for evil lion pavilion. Um how does it do with animal droppings, bird droppings? Do we still have a pigeon problem there? >> It's it's virtually indestructible. I

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mean that's what they made it for. It's better than epoxy. It's like 10 times stronger than epoxy. I'm sorry I don't have the exact name for y'all. I forget it because it's long and scientific. So >> that's okay. [laughter] But you might want to put that out because there's several companies that are doing that.

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Put that out just for what you're going to get. For sure. >> And I'm just asking because >> those are all outdoor areas. We've had those problems in the past and you have to make sure that you can easily remove that too. >> Yes.

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The next one is um $20,000 uh dollar. And again, just to balance, you have a weird 266 there. I apologize, but that's just balancing the numbers. Um that is for park bathroom upgrades. That is for stainless steel high velocity flushing

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toilets in our parks. We have people that damage the ones we have now. They have tanks. They're they're not even commercial. They're residential in there. And we have problems. So, if I can get this approved, um Keith said that's more than enough in there for that, we can change all of our parks to

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stainless steel and and that will also include the sink as well. Um so we can keep the parks from getting damaged. That's what the hope is by by doing that. >> Easier to keep clean, too. >> And easier to clean. Absolutely. >> Easier to keep.

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>> Absolutely. Um any questions on any of those at all? I just want to take y'all to the next sheet I gave you. I I I don't know if the sheet came out when I printed it. I think it it was kind of messed up with the merging of some cells, but I just wanted to tell you the

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entryway signs, of course, we're still talking about how to complete those, but we did get the two out. This is last year's 2526 uh budget and and and tasking. So, uh the new moon lodge portion, it's completed. We're waiting to turn that into the state. As far as

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the um the schematics, I'm waiting to get that this week. um they're already uh complete with that. The painting the historical um south water tower that is actually going to be completed in this FY I would imagine they're going to start painting either this month or in

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August, but I've been told it was done. Us as a group has to discuss what we're going to put on there. They've talked to us and said that they will put on whatever we want uh on that at no extra charge when they're painting it. So, we can put historic Crescent City. We can

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put, you know, whatever we want to do, but I have my ideas, but I want to bring it to y'all. >> We could do our logo. >> The logo, something that >> Yes. Something that tells us Yeah. Everybody who we are. Um, so that's I just wanted to give you an update on

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that. Storm water upgrades. We are working on value engineering right now for North Lake Street. This is something that >> I'm sorry. the the plan that they had was very expensive. He's talking about something the value engineering is going in and trying figuring out a better way

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to do it and that's what they're working on now. >> We did. So you're so you are correct. We did we did have you're expensive. >> It was very expensive way of doing it. So they're looking at now how they can if there's anything they can do. They

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did the design and when it went out for pricing it was almost $200,000 to do the work >> and that's for one individual one person. I understand that there's been some issues in that area. I want to take the the money that we have and try to spread it for a a plan that will help

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everybody on the bottom. Part of the 75 and here would also be to implement some of that work down there to help continue the the the drainage and away from anybody's property. Okay. >> Um, so I just wanted to give you an update on that. They are working on

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value engineering for that. The air raator structure um for the 100,000galon tank that has been completed and paid for. Um, the dock repairs from our hurricanes from previous damage has been completed. We are still awaiting money and and they have it. Um,

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>> keep waiting. >> I'm watching right now. We're it's waiting on FEMA for approval. FDM has already approved it and we're waiting on FEMA's final approval. Um, we have bought some smaller pieces of equipment this year. We got the reversible tamp. We also, um, got the chopsaw. And there

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were some other things that y'all approved, but there were others that we did not end up purchasing. And we had the money left over at the time, and we needed to transfer those funds for the 308 uh, project that we that we voted on. So, that's where the money went for

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this this last year. And we still have money left over in that. >> And that was that overage that we that came about when we had to >> [clears throat] >> with when they were doing the road and we needed to get this. >> Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. >> That was a part of the grant. Okay. >> Yes, ma'am. And then ourformational

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sign. We purchased that sign and right now with the new IT company that we're moving forward with, I do have their contract. Don is reviewing that. And as you all instructed, as soon as that's reviewed from Don, I'll execute it. I've already talked to them. They are new IT company has the schematics for it. I

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also have an electrician that is going to install the panel boxes and get the plugs correct and all that's going to be taking place in the next probably in the next week and [clears throat] I'm hoping that they will be able to get in and get the programming done so we can have our new sign up but it's in the works.

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>> So just giving you an update on on that. >> Any questions as we put better place to bed? >> Um well I have I had a question about the new lodge. So um the report has been received but not the schematics.

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>> The the report and the schematics are all coming the schematics I have received those and and uh 30 60 90% you know when they gave those to me for approve for review >> right >> but the final documents that get put out the CD all of that hasn't been totally

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completed yet. I'm anticipating getting a call at any time that that's been done. They had some engineering issues that were outside of the city's control and uh and needed additional time. So, I had an extension put in. I put an extension which was approved with the

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state until July 31st. I have already talked to the state representative. If I need another extension, I can definitely do it, but I believe that we're going to have everything turned in and the billing turned in for for reimbursement for the total amount of $50,000. >> Okay. So, if I could, Mayor.

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>> Yes. We've been partly reimbursed by the state. We haven't touched the reimbursement at all. >> Okay. So, we have no reimbursement. >> Yeah. >> Um I'm a little bit disappointed at REG Architects because they identified this project as being time is of the essence

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and somehow um they used every bit of time and more. So, um I'm just telling Dr. >> I will defend them in one sense just so you understand what happened when we did the the review of the

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>> Mr. city manager. I've been um listening to presentations about this from REG for a long time and I will just say I I don't care what happened recently. They said time was of the essence two years ago. They're very familiar with our

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project. We have a relationship with them. We made them a um continuing um service, >> right? We have a continuing service uh relationship with them. So, I'm just saying flat out whatever the situation

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was, I'm disappointed. And if I see them, I'll certainly share that with myself. >> Um, well, unless it's a defendable. I mean, you you you feel as if it's not necessarily all their fault. >> Yes, ma'am.

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So, if I can, I'll let you know what happened. They they >> go after all that. Just want to make sure you have all the facts, too. >> Yeah. They re they reached out, of course, when they had to do their inspection of the building. I gave them access to the building. Uh gave them the ladders, everything they needed to get

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where they needed to go. What happens is when they exposed areas inside the roof, there was additional work that was engineering work that was needed. There were things that were unknown until they got in and that expanded their time to the right. That's all that happened. >> Okay. >> Okay. And I will say that they should

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have been well aware and should have allowed for that in the timing of their project because they've been in this building before. This building is not new to them. They were paid previously to do a prior step in the assessment. So

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they should have built in that time for those things. They they should have known to allow more time. >> Yes. So, um, and I just, you know, want to make sure that people are accountable. Um, mayor, I I do have just

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something, uh, that I would like to share with the commission about the better place budget as a whole, >> if we're going to go ahead. Okay. So, um the thing that is an ongoing concern, um I think that this is a very well

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thoughtout um proposal, but it still concerns me that we don't have our um list of equipment and vehicles, our capital improvement program so that we can see um what is out there that we are

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going to need to either replace or upgrade in the future. um this is better but we really need to have the big picture and we need to be planning both for capital and for operations particularly now with

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the amendment three for the future but we need to plan capital for the future and then on that same line to the commission um I am very hesitant for us to approve

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use of the entire 550 $50,000 that we expect to have able [clears throat] to expend. Traditionally, we don't spend all that money in a year because traditionally we have many surprises coming in. >> We we budget a lot of it and then some

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of those just like this year projects don't get done >> and you have to approve it because we have to have a balanced budget. So, we've got to put the spending somewhere for any of that revenue. It's got to balance out. So, we're going to have to have >> there will be additional carry forward

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from this year because we didn't expend every account and we're just not going to that's >> okay for for the commission. Um, I think it's pretty crucial that we highlight what would be the priorities and where to spend first because I would hate to

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see us spend some things that were maybe nice to do a lower priority and then we wind up with additional significant needs um, whatever they may be. Oh, and the other thing is um, we could use

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better place funds for the purchase of a firet truck. I mean that is >> you know how much fire trucks cost. >> Well, okay. >> I mean I take 550,000 and yes put a down payment, >> right? We were told very specifically

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what fire trucks cost and to my knowledge so far we don't have an update on where we are with the situation of our fire truck aging out. That was the last thing I thought we heard from the fire chief. So, I I also had a meeting

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with the county and I wanted to verify the information that I was hearing about the firetruck and the aging out and the law. As long as it's certified and the seals are certified and which is a a service that we have like basically a maintenance, it gets certified and we're

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perfectly fine. The truck can be used for the next 10 years. As long as the seals and all the things are are certified, we're okay. I will say this, bringing up the fire truck and bringing up this the CIP the so capital improvement plan I located on the

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computer finally. I was digging around. I found it. I'm updating it through 2031 I believe is the update. And what I found in there was there, correct me if I'm wrong, is it 2031? I believe so.

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What I found was, and we looked everywhere too when people were talking about firetruck money because that was something that came up a lot a lot. It was a wish list on the CIP that showed $100,000 for four consecutive years. It was something that

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never got allocated. >> It wasn't funded. >> Now, if if if this commission would like, I can of course put that on the CIP and we can look at options. But I think we're leaving a lot of money on the table by not dumping everything we

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have into the Florida Prime, however that looks, but everything because we could get an additional >> already gave you approval to do that. >> Yes, that's that's >> but I believe that there's >> Okay, >> something they made us do different this time and I'm not sure what happened, but

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I have to bring it in August under resolution because when we went to do it, they said, "Wait, we need a resolution." The other one went perfectly fine, but now they're wanting a resolution, so I have to bring that back to you all. So, in August, we will transfer that money. >> Um,

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>> yeah, that's the documentation. >> Yeah, we got the documentation from them. We didn't have to do that before. This is new. >> No, we did do it before. >> Yes, we did. >> Did we do that before? >> Make sure that that resolution we did before wasn't dollar specific. >> Okay. If it's not, then then they'll take that

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>> then that one would suffice. >> Okay. I'll double check. It was dollar specific. >> I think Okay. If not, >> I'll double check though. >> We've also [clears throat] got I mean, if you need to do something I mean, we've got a >> special meeting, we can add it. >> Okay. [laughter] >> Yeah. James.

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>> Okay. >> Okay. I'll do that. Um but if there's other money in the general in the pool cash, I don't know. I've kind of heard there's other funds that we could possibly consolidate to push over there to make more money interest. then I think we should look into it and

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do it because then if we have a CIP and we're making that interest, we could say, "Hey, in three years we're going to have X amount of dollars and we could go for a USDA match grant on it or a low interest long-term and get a new firetruck if that's something we need."

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But again, I was told from the county on that >> you were there, our truck is perfectly fine. It's not aging out. We can utilize it >> as long as it >> as long as it meets it certified state Yeah. requirements. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Are we ready to

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>> Well, mayor, if I could, but at some point we're as the city manager just alluded to, we are going to have to upgrade our fire truck. So, it sounds as if we are we are buying a little time that this is not the fire truck the fire

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chief wants, but eventually we can't certify it correct or correct. I mean, I was told that it could as long as you get certified, it's perfectly fine. There's there's ones out there in the world that are 25 years old, still in service. So, you know, >> kind of cool.

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>> Yeah, they are kind of cool. Retro, >> but I will say this, >> we we can also decide if we want to go after appropriations for that. You know, we just got and we're getting a new fire

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station. we're doing everything right. Maybe it's something we ask for >> and that's something that we would do as a rule as a rule community, a rule county. We could do >> that through um they you've already spoken to her and she's and she's

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willing to help us through that process. Yes. >> So if we find that that's something that maybe we continue to do, maybe we just proactively do that and we do it year after year after year >> and get our get their attention. Yeah. you know, we need that it's it's a need,

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>> right? While we're while while if we can set aside some funds for it, >> but I think we need to move on right now to a better place because we um we all know I mean with this I think and and Commissioner Devito is correct that, you

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know, we need to prioritize and that's something we need to prioritize. Anything operational >> Yes. >> Um is definitely should be a priority. >> Yes. >> Um new carpet. Well, if we have to put something off, I guess new carpet is as ugly as it is, you know, we might have

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to put that off, but anything operational and especially that that can assist and aid um our employees with doing a more efficient job, um we need to definitely look at that as the other priority. >> Yes, ma'am. >> That correct? You all agree with that? You agree with that? And with that, at

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this time, if we have no more questions on better place, I'm going to take a fivem minute reset. I think Commissioner Okay. >> You want me to take your turn? >> Yeah. You want >> [clears throat]

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>> This workshop is back in session. Sharita, thank you very much. Are we good? Thank you. Okay, let's go on to our 2025 CRA budget. 25 25 >> 25 27

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>> 26 Yes. Thank you. I'll go back and do that. >> Actually, no. This is 2627, I think. >> 2627. >> Yeah. >> Why do I have everything on here says 2526? >> I think it should say 25 26 27. >> Oh, at the top. >> Oh, yeah. It's just a Yeah, you have the

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right one. It's just Yeah, I'll fix that. All right. We ready, mayor? >> So, we'll start out with revenues. This is going to be our 26 27 budget for community redevelopment agency. Um, Bonnie, myself, and finance director

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went through this with a fine tooth comb. Um, we verified our numbers based on the ador that we currently have and what we have coming in, the city and county revenue lines. Um on the central we have uh an increase of 19% in each

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one from last year. Um this of course is uh values have gone up in in the area. Um right now in the in the north we have a 13% increase in the revenue um from the city and county

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and in the south we have a 20% increase. I want to take a look at the carry forward balance. The prior year fund balance carry forward. We're looking right now at about 11,000 um for or about 12,000 almost for the central,

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a $73,000 uh carry forward for the north and a 50 or $45,000 carry forward for the south. Any questions on those? >> Did do you have any idea what the county is doing with their military?

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>> They said um not until August. Okay. >> I did the calculation. >> So that would that change is obviously >> correct. Yeah. >> And will we be able to change it in time for >> and >> because that that'll time >> they should probably [clears throat] do

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they probably will do it because their meetings are also earlier than ours this year. So yeah, so they should have they will have notified them. >> All right. So we go into our expenditures if there's no questions on any of those items in revenue.

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>> Anybody got any questions on revenue? >> Okay. >> Um the salary of course we've had um adjustments on the salary spike of pension. Steve went through and looked at those and made the adjustments that were needed. One of the items that was taken out was for the car allowance

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that's no longer needed. Um that was saving the city around $1,000 and of course we've got professional services downtown partnership $50,000 coming out of this line item. Um where

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you'll see a large jump is a consolidation of cost in this uh and or funds in the improvement projects. Now, what we want to do is we want to see things change. We want to utilize the funds in here for projects that we can

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get done as the city. Um, we also want to help and we have put money into areas for redevelopment and for housing, but at much lower numbers than last year. We didn't have the turnout that we expected, especially in the north end. We had zero housing. We only had two

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houses that put in for grants in the central and none in the south. So, we've consolidated and moved those funds around and put those into the improvement projects. And what we're proposing is directional drilling. And this may change a little bit. >> Wait a second. Where are you? Cuz I'm

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still on central. >> He is too. >> Central on improvement projects. >> Okay. >> Are we? >> Okay. And so what we're doing um this is we're we're putting money in the budget for a new directional drill. that's

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going from on both sides of the road from Summit down to um Grand Rondo and from Summit down to Lake Street. And what we're proposing is an electrical conduit which is needed um which is going [clears throat] to the electrical

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portion the conduit and the line will be provided by FPNL. We just have to provide the directional drill cost which is about $8 a foot both sides of the road um and any other indirect costs that may be needed. But what we're going to be doing is upgrading all of our

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lighting and our poles. Uh those poles is not part of this cost. That is paid for through our electrical bill. We're going to go in with new LED lights and the polls I'm going to be bringing to you all once again. We had talked about this in the past with FPNL and I brought

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some options, but we're going to finalize those options and move forward with this process this year. Has FPL [clears throat] uh ever talked about instead of using hard wire, are they using all um solar >> solar on their plates? Yeah,

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>> I don't believe so. >> They're all hard wire, right? >> All hardware. And >> you save a whole ton of money if all that was solar panel, their own solar panel. I don't disagree and I think they have it but if they did that we would have to pay for the pole and the light

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and then that's where it would get very expensive because it would be about >> over the long haul. Don't you think it's just as expensive to have wires that you know trees fall on and and all kinds of goodies like that you know that kind of happen but um >> well this is underground so the wiring here will be direction it'll be

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underground for the lighting. This is what we're talking about is for these light posts >> up and down central that that would be underground. That would be underground. That's why we're having to pay for the direction. >> And and the reason I say this may change is Bonnie and I have we we've started the process getting back in touch with

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them again. I really want to finalize the conversation on what their need is and why they want the conduit because we have conduit in the ground already. I was told originally when we were looking at it, they wanted upgraded wire. They wanted upgraded conduit. I said, 'Well, why can't you pull it in the same line? Well, because it's one inch and they

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have the other line in there. So, they want upgrade. They want new because they want they're going to put in new, but um I still I still think there may be negotiation there. >> Anything more, they need their money back if they put the conduit in. >> Okay. [clears throat] I mean, it just

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>> Yeah, they're providing us with the conduit and the line. We just have to push it. That's the cost for us. >> They ought to just push it. I guess >> they should. I mean it doesn't anyway mayor. >> Yes. >> Thank you. So

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um I have been around Central Avenue for a long time >> and I have been around Central Avenue since the CR was first enact enacted and [clears throat] Commissioner Lori has for the most part

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too. Um I am not 100% sure in fact not sure at all how does this help us um improve the vacancy rate and the blight on

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Central Avenue and the reason I ask this is we have very little money in the central CRA we've had the central CRA for years >> and my what was since 1996,

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>> right? Since 1996. And we've done a number of improvements. And my observation is that um whatever the hardcape improvements have been, they have not moved the needle. Um

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that's not to say they weren't well intended. Everybody had high hopes when they were done. We put in benches. I believe the light poles were part of the hardcaping. Um, we have

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buildings that need repair right now. We have applications for grants that far exceed what we can fund for those grants. So, um, it's not that this is a bad idea. I'm just saying with the funds

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that we have and the need for facade improvements that we have and also if we would ever have anyone who would want to make a well there are some people who want to make buildings

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tenant ready but we seem to be short on the money. So, my thought is, um, is this really the time to spend $30,000 on directional drilling? Should we not look

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again and see would that $30,000 make a difference at one of these buildings bringing in a very active tenant? Okay. So, I'm going to speak to that and commission, I've heard this since I've been here. We need to bring people in. We need to bring businesses in. We need

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to bring businesses in. We need to put a different lens on and we need to look at our city from a perspective of someone wanting to come in and open up a business. If you've ever opened up a business, you don't open it up as a hobby. >> Nope. >> Especially going into somebody's

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building. It is extremely expensive when you go into a building that is not ready for occupancy. Okay? Very expensive. But at the same time, we need to look at what is inviting. What is inviting? And

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you go to other communities and you look at their streetscape. You look at um uh the buildings that are there and you see, you know, I could see myself having a business here. You look at our poles, our light poles out here,

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they're awful. We painted those. spent hours, days in the heat >> painting all of those life posts four years [clears throat] ago >> and look at them still today. And most of them are some of them are like this. >> I mean,

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>> we we've got to take pride in we've got to take pride in our city and that's part of it and taking pride in that and being inviting. And so somebody would say, I want to open a business. I want to invest here. Okay. Because we've also

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done facade grants. We've done a facade grant for the Turner building that they're in. There's not a business operating there. >> We painted that. We did a facade grant over here and that's not done yet. We did one for Pam's Kitchen and Pam's

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Kitchen is still not open and that's been what over a year now and it's still not open. So, we're we're trying. We did one for several of the buildings and they're still not >> they're still not open. We did one for the arcade. We did the the termining for

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that and that's still not really operational. And so I think we've done that, but we also we have a responsibility because nobody else is going to put lights out here. >> No, we Okay, mayor. I I understand that

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and you've raised some good points. I would not have chosen to paint the Toronto building. I mean, >> well, it doesn't matter. >> It doesn't matter that it's all done. But but I agree with the mayor. So before you move forward and try and push what you're trying to push here, because I think we know where that's going. But

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>> wait, wait. I have to agree where we have to start looking at this through a different lens. in that different lenses is we need to support the businesses that are here that the businesses that that actually are working, okay, that may need a step up a little bit to help

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them look better to the plaza, for example. I don't know, you know, that's on our list. Uh we've got a few things on the list, okay, that we really need to look at with a different lens that says, "Hey, this will actually bring people in to to support what we're

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trying to achieve here in Crescent City." Because right now, she's right. We supported a lot of things. As a matter of fact, I'm a little bit upset about this building down here that used to be uh Allen's building, >> the music, >> the music store. Um

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something's going on there. There's there's there's sheets or something over the window there. And I think they're living in there. >> No, no. There's a nice business. They're actually bringing in uh retail and they're doing half of it's going to be the Gladiator.

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>> I see lights on in there every night. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And that's about all I'm going to say. >> I think they're painting and cleaning up and doing stuff. >> I would like to believe that. >> Yeah. I would I would like to say on the lighting and thinking about supporting businesses, that lighting that we have

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now is pollution light. It's going up. It's not doing anything. The new lights that we're going to bring in are going to focus on allowing a connectivity for people walking to be able to see where they're at um and really utilize those areas. That will also help businesses if people come in to flourish and do things. And plus, those lights are are

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old and the fixtures on them are very expensive. And this will be this will be new FPL led. We won't have to maintain them. No, >> they'll maintain them, >> which that to me is a no-brainer. I don't know why. >> Commissioner. >> Yeah, commissioner.

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>> So, we have different points of view. Um, I don't think it's really necessary to be derogatory and I I don't know. >> I don't think I was just saying where she's going. Okay. I don't even know where I'm going. Like, well,

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[laughter] okay. Okay, just a minute because that's exactly the point. >> Um, I don't always come [clears throat] in here and it would be productive if all of us would have an open mind. The

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whole point when I say I don't know where I'm going with this, the idea is for us to look at things um with that fresh lens to look at each project and say

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what are we going to get out of this and what is the priority? and things that we say right now cut both ways because um number one um some of what you've said it follows exactly what I said. We did improvements

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but it still didn't bring business in. My number one question that occurs to me is have we surveyed our businesses and asked them the ones in terms of supporting who we already have. I'm fully on board with not having pollution

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lighting, but um I think it would be helpful to ask our businesses what they think would help them. That would be nice um not just to assume. But my original point is

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we have requests from active businesses for property owners who are trying to bring business in um who I don't know but this $30,000 might be better spent elsewhere. And I'm

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not saying we shouldn't do this but for example um the city manager said Gladiator Fitness I would be thrilled if that active business that is operating outside the city limits would actually come into

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town and bring people into town and who would possibly shop other places. >> Um, and I think we should investigate whether that's a real possibility of happening. >> And that's what we were one of the grant

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that we're funding. >> Well, you're right. We went around there and looked at it, >> right? I know I know we did it, but we haven't made a final decision and we don't know that that's going to do what it takes. So, um, and I do agree with

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the mayor. I >> I have a concern. I think we need to relook at again how we give out the grant funds because, um, some of the things that we've done um, people have not moved forward to make their buildings reusable or have not opened to

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business. So, all I'm saying is before we pull the trigger on this, um, we should see whether we act we actually need the money to bring in an active business that would open up downtown. And also, I think it wouldn't hurt for

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us to survey um our businesses. And there was one more thing there, but I'm you know, anything that we're Oh, Cindy Burton, I mean, Commissioner Burton, sorry. Um, she said FPNL should run the cable. I mean, they should do the

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directional drilling. Um, have we asked? >> We're going to call them. >> We're going to call and we're going to call and talk because I I'll bring it up again to the gentleman that I worked with before. We have electrical in the ground, but it's their trade-off. This

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is new technology versus what we have old technology. The way it was sold to me is, hey, we're going to provide you the pipe. We're going to pull the line, but you need to push it. We're going to give you new light poles. We paid through our electric bill. That's, you know,

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>> I was part of that. I was in that on that discussion and I didn't hear that all of that had to be done. And I thought it was just in those areas where we needed it or um especially if it was crossing, but especially down further,

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we don't have it and we would have to run it down. >> And that's another thing, too. We're we're looking at, but regardless, you know, >> if we put 30,000 and later on we find out that it's less and we can and we can, you know, move to do a

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>> a budget adjustment there, then that's something to think about. But I I still stand on what I'm saying is that we have got to we've got to take pride and that's just part of it. We've got to take pride in this community and the

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light post are are they're embarrassing. Those new poles would be beautiful when you go to other communities. >> I think it's going to I think it's going to be a very good move. It >> be beautiful. >> You know, it would be move us also to start a few more light posts. I mean, I

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don't know, you know, hardwire everything. of course cost you a lot of money, but I put a on one of my posts, you know, when I was being harassed, >> I put I put a uh a solar light there. >> You been there for how long now? >> Four years. >> Yeah, four years. I mean, and I've done

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nothing with it, you know. I mean, these things really last a long time. It cost me $134 to buy that for my safety basically. >> Right. Thing is that if wants to sell power, I don't think they want to sell solar panels. >> Yeah. That's one thing. They really like selling power to us and I'm wondering if

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I understand that too, but you know it's just something that we ought to consider. >> But I'm wondering if we could talk to them about even providing it ourselves as solar powered lights on their pole if they would be willing to allow us to do that in certain areas. So >> I mean the ones that are already

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add [clears throat] I don't disagree. I'll I'll talk to them about that. >> I just want I do want to point Lori wants to say something. >> Okay. I just want to commission if we get on to the next page. Line 44, the redevelopment grants. Yeah, >> we're actually increasing that from what

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we currently have. So that this is this isn't, you know, not taking money from trying to bring more funding into that line item, which is what I think is the right thing to do. And I but I do agree. Um Central Avenue is embarrassing. We need to fix that. >> Yeah. >> Um it's been a long time. Those lights

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were put up at the very beginning of the streetscaping which was 30 years ago if not more. Um it's been a [snorts] while. >> You're going to have to refresh things and and I actually that gets people talking, gets people excited too when

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it's new and fresh and everything works. And every time I come into town late at night and look down the traffic and all those bright lights are on, I'm just like coming to waste. I mean it's just those those lights don't light things. They light everything, you know, >> and light pollution.

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>> I was somewhere this, you know, these last couple days and people from different places, you know, and different places for me right now, it's been Palaca, Anaka, all over the place. Um, they say how wonderful that is coming down 17 now.

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>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. You can see that. >> Yeah. And that's what I said this took so long, you know. Yeah. >> So, let's move into um one more. >> Yes. >> About the central CI expenditures. So,

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we have the line item for the downtown partnership. >> Um right now it's for the $50,000 for which is the full-time employee. Um, and I understand this is our beginning budget, but have we not discussed

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um funding a part-time position? Oh, and we have um we've we've discussed that. I talked to um Mr. Martin about that as well yesterday. Right now though, we probably because we don't have a newou, we need to at least

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account for this. A couple of other things that can go into consideration is I believe the partnership is looking at expanding their their footprint and if they expand their footprint both north and south then some of that monies can also be shared with both our north and

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south CRA. So that's something to think about because they are looking at expanding their foot um to encompass the businesses in town. >> Okay. Um so so yes, but that is something that we need to as we go into negotiations

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um that that's that we could possibly and then that would free up another $25,000, >> right? Um, and may if I could just share when it comes to the partnership executive director, um, people tell me

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over and over that they don't know the difference between the CRA and the CRA manager and Main Street and the Main Street director. Um, these are difficult kind of sometimes inside baseball things, but it concerns me that people

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don't know who does what. So, we talked I think when we talked when we discussed enterprise funds about public education and I I think both the partnership and the city could do some public education

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so that people understand because quite frankly the criticism that I've received is that we have two hands on the same shovel. We're paying two people to do the same thing. So if we're not >> obviously obviously they know they know enough because they know some

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>> but they don't know what the difference is some people don't know who to go to for what. So it there's a mix of >> I would say there's a mix of not enough information and a lack of understanding that that is what I'm

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getting. So hopefully >> thank you both sides can address. >> Thank you. That's um you know a small community it's hard to really uh we don't have a we don't have a a public a public um >> and there's a lot of information to help

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people what what I'm doing trying to talk to everybody that I can >> and I think too this year um you're going to see we we have until I think it's 2027 um we have to be ADA compliant on our website and our website's going to get upgraded and the plan is to have an

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entire CRA page which explains the history, explains who's running it, a picture of the person, a bio, what they're responsible for. I'm not sure about the partnership, what their plans are, but the city has a plan to make sure that everybody sees a face for who's doing what. And so that upgrade is

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happening. We've been in talks. I've got several companies and I'm I'm going to put it in the budget for a website. We've got also an upgrade possibility for very low amount of money with the current provider that we have. So, you know, That's something

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>> and also I'm just gonna play on this also is that that a lot of that falls on the responsibility of the downtown partnership and the main street program is for them to educate. >> I agree. >> Not that's not necessarily our

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responsibility to educate on what they're doing. That's their responsibility and getting out there and they have a marketing, the promotions, all of that. So, they've got that and and that's really what what they should do that they should that they're a standalone from us

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and and I think with our CRA um you know director that she she can help with with that as far as when people call in. But I also know that we've, you know, and we probably started that confusion, but it's not like it's not public that we

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have an executive director from the downtown partnership. And you can also go to their meetings and sit on their meetings if you want to and get a better understanding as to what they do if you know what going on. But I I'm going to hold them accountable for that, too. that that's part of what they should be

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marketing themselves and and letting people know what their what their benefit is to the city, right? Mayor to me it would help if they would they can work with the city on this to make part of that education and

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marketing clear that they are not the city and give us credit for what we do and you know blah well and as we go into ourou um discussions with them I think that's something that can be brought up at that time. >> I would agree. I >> I think so. um redevelopment grants when

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we go into hit the housing rehabilitation you've you've decreased that I guess what we're finding and I think this is something too for us to to think about is

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>> oftent times that the homeowner doesn't have the ability to do the matching. >> Okay. And in that case, um, $5,000 toward the project cuz we can fund up to $5,000. And there's nothing

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to say that they can't come the following year and ask for an additional if they need to complete, >> you know, especially with some of them, they've got multiple projects that they needed that that's always an option, too, just like with what we did over

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here. So that's something we've just got to be and I'm going to put this on you too Bonnie that you know we sometimes have to think outside the box >> especially you know and how can we be creative how can we be creative and helping >> and the and that's that's the that's the

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word is helping and for the ones that we know are um not available this year Bonnie's been working on the list and contacts for getting them in touch with other state programs that might be able to get them to a point where we can help them because some of them are uninsured able right now and and part of our grant

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process you have to have that insurance. So Bonnie's working on that. I've tasked her with that. She's actively looking into that and so we'll be getting that information out to those people. >> Question. >> Yes. >> I don't know if I'm allowed to speak.

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>> The microphone. >> You can if you come up to the microphone I can open it up for a comment or comment. >> Alice McCoy 315 North Summit. Um um

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when I applied when Bonnie came and brought me a package to apply for CRA funds and I applied for my roof which went on your thing that was on the screen the other night at the meeting as

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a parking lot. I don't I paid for my parking lot. That's the labor. No, if you go under 315, it says parking lot. >> Okay, cool. >> So, I'm just saying I applied for roof,

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but here is where it's very difficult for me and for my neighbor at 311 North Summit. We applied under the commercial. We both live there. We live in our houses. So

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it's very confusing to figure out where my my property is done commercial residential. So I maybe applied under the wrong thing. I don't know. But I I would like

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to know if you could clarify what's you know commercial and what's residential in the application of funds that are available for us. I'm a single I mean I'm a widow but I'm a single woman owning my building and

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Kathy is a single woman owning her building and we struggle but we have businesses here in town and my business I bring people people come from Jacksonville or Palm Coast to my

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showroom so it it's not just local people are coming the Other thing uh [sighs] I want to say is as far as your light your um lighting

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I'm not sure you understand but as a business we pay for the street light in our on in the front of our build. >> We pay $17.50 per month >> to be able to have that light there.

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It's not working right now. I hope the new wiring might help it. It flippers and does things, but but I just wanted to say that the individual businesses do do um put out a lot of money in a lot of

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different ways that people don't realize, you know, that we have to pay, you know, for our own uh trash differently than, you know, than a resident. So, it's kind of hard for some of us that are businesses and residences

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to to walk that line. But I as you're giving out the CRA funds or whatever funds, you need to understand that businesses, little struggling businesses that are

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residential and commercial and how we can um maybe um go through that in a different manner. You know, please check on that for for us if you would. did ask about that. And all the ones that are

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commercial/residential, we went to straight commercial. So like like the ones across the street, they're houses and um businesses too. So it's multi. So we went with commercial for those. Unless we want to change that.

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>> I think it's going to be I think it's one of those is the requests for commercial use or for residential use. That's how I mean I think that's something that you should be looking at or is it for both a combined and that's something that's a great point. Thank

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you for bringing that to our attention. So it could be both residential and it could be commercial. So it could be a combined it it could be combined and so that's again where I'm saying we need to think outside the box >> um and and and take all that. Thank you.

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That was great. Alice, um that that light that you pay for that's on the side there that's on what is that? >> It's all palmetto. >> Palmetto. Um FPL is the one that maintains that you pay FPL. Correct. Every month.

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>> Um if you call them, they will come fix that light. >> Yes. Yes, we did. >> And they haven't because I know I've seen it blink. >> They came and said it was fixed and it still flippers. >> Yeah. But I mean and and we have and the city itself I mean pays for every single

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street light that's on 17. So we pay every month as well. Um just just the same actually. I think it's almost the same amount and because they charge us for every single street light even that one's extra that's on Palmetto because we didn't have one on Palmetto. So it's uh it it adds up. There's a lot of

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lights. anybody and anybody and that's in the county too because the county I know >> some people that we've had to have that done in the county they've done it they [clears throat] have to pay and it's additional on their >> light bill um but it it the lighting as

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you come down >> Summit >> it it's good lighting >> you know coming down down 37 but um especially back in some of those areas behind behind me toward Lake Stella.

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>> I don't know how you do it, but there needs to be more lighting back in there. It's >> Thank you. pretty scared >> and some of that's outside the CRA. So So that would be a different my house is very dark

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>> down here at my house. Every every all the streets are >> You're 315 North Summit, correct? >> Okay. because I'm looking at that right now and want to make sure that we have that and it shows on the funding for roof. >> Okay.

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>> Um 311 is exterior, but on here it does show. I just want to make sure that we have that correct. So, and if the picture is not matching up, please make sure that the picture matches up. Um so that we've got that taken care of. >> It'll be taken care of.

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>> Uh yeah. So, I'm looking at it now and it's showing it replace roof. So, I'm looking at the picture here and it does say replace roof um for Alice's Design Studio 315 North Summit. Okay. I just want to make sure that that we've got

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that we're because these things will happen. Things get moved around. So, and the flower shops in that building and so there's a lot of people come to that flower shop. It it gets a lot of traffic and so I just want to make it look good.

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>> Hang in there. >> And Alice, do you own the whole building and rent to the flower shop? >> I wanted So that that grant would include the roof over the whole the whole the whole building.

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What you were applying for was the roof for the whole building. So the flower shop and your side. >> Yes. Yes. It's one roof and roof. That's what I thought I was going to mention. >> Do we have any other [cough] um any other >> Yes, ma'am. If I can, I'll kind of recap

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back. So, 60,000 improvement jobs. Um out of that 60, we're only looking at really spending 30 based on the takeoff that we did yesterday. I have 60 as a placeholder because there's other projects that we can do for the CRA uh out of the objectives 2020 objectives plan and the master vision plan. So, um

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we have a buffer there. the other um I did drop we talked about the housing we could do two grants at at 5,000 non non-match and then as commissioner vice mayor Lori had um discussed earlier the 69,000 is an increase of 50% from last

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year's budget um and so basically what I'm what I'm trying to do there is just we had $70,000 worth of need we've got 69,000 in the budget um for next year. I don't know what kind of things

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we're going to get, but some of the people that have wanted things this year that couldn't that pushed off, such as some of the places on summit, we might be able to help fund next year. So, that was the mindset of trying to to create a little bit of of a revenue block there for them next year. So, I feel that

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we're real poised to get work done and provide for the commercial assets of our city for the private business. I would personally, commissioners, I don't know how you feel about this. I I would like for us to take this $6,975 that you've eliminated from the housing

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rehabilitation and add it back to it. >> Okay. >> Um, and I think we need to start looking at these. Is it going to be commercial or is it going to be residential or is it going to be a combination of both? And that might help us also with some of this. But I'd like for you to to see you

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do that and not take it from this the redevelopment grants, but possibly take it from um take it from what [clears throat] we're doing for the lights and go back to FPL when you're negotiating and say this is all we have. This is this is what we have. You got to make things

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work within these parameters. Um, but I personally I I think that that's >> that that we shouldn't back off of that because even because with a housing rehabilitation grants another part of

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that I know we know one house that probably needs to be demolished. Um, and that can be used for that. It can also be used for that. So, I just think that right now we should not back off of

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that. That's my recommendation. I don't know what the commit how the commission feels. >> Okay. Could I ask you to clarify? >> So, wait, we're wanting to take six 6,975 or where and put it into the redevelopment grants.

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>> The housing redevelopment grants. I'm asking him to take it from the 30,000 for the drilling for the lights. >> Okay. and reduce that. That would take it down to what? 203. >> You want to put >> 25? Huh? >> The budget's for 60.

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>> Is it for 60? >> It's for 60. >> Orange columns. >> Yeah. Do you want it Do you want it to go down to 30? >> Yeah. And then we down in the house. Keep the housing at where it is and then put the rest of that in >> in commercial

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grants. Is that mayor >> I put the housing back at 16975 >> and then the delta is going to go >> so it'll be 92 040 into >> into into redevelopment grants it's all live ready to go

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>> yes ma'am and we're balanced at that right there >> 20 something >> yeah if I just add for demolition it's expensive so when we talked about But um if some if we are talking about paying for a

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demolition 16,975 is more in the ballpark of a not it's not my >> and as we get into it the process this year is going to be it's we're not doing this in July. I'm I'm bringing we're

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going to start this process much earlier. So, we're going to know what we have and and by come March, if we need to make an amendment adjustment to the budget and move dollars around, we can we can >> Oh, not an amendment, but >> but you know what I mean. We can rec

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reconcile the account pretty easy. >> We move it around. >> Let's move on to the north. >> Okay. On the north end, uh same thing with the salaries. Steve's gone through made the right um adjustments on that. We had a few things that's changed. One of them was was uh

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if you go to line 52 which is the mileage I'm going to make the language the same everywhere because I know it's kind of contradictory in some place we have travel um and in other other U CRAAS we don't have the same language so I I'll fix that but we have we put 500

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in there we reduced it 500 um dollars that'll be for mileage that'll be for gas >> yeah professional services we had a reduction there that's for appraisals, surveys, renderings. As we do projects and have a need, we'll do it. But we didn't spend any money out of there this year in the north. So, I reduced that by

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$2,400. Um, again, we had carry Ford and the majority of the money in there is from the carry for. But the improvement projects I have increased on this particular run to 119,1973. That's an additional 101,

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uh, $655. We have a significant amount of asphalt work that needs to be replaced in the north then specifically Grove right by the park. The entire street needs to be redone. We also have as part of the the master plan paving of dirt roads in that

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area. We can at least take a look at doing um um you know base for now and talk about paving later or we can try to tackle some of them. that they are in that north CRA and I can identify those

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roads for you in a mapping at a later time. Um, moving forward on the housing, we went door to door. Bonnie knocked on doors, took flyers, talked to people. We had zero um we had zero applicants for

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the housing. There was no participation. I cut that in half this year. We still have money in there um at 25,000, but we saved 25 or move that around on the redevelopment grants on this one. Uh this was also reduced. Um and the reason

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we had the heavy the heavy number in last year was because of the carry forward and most of that was in the north. Um so we still have $50,000 in for commercial projects on the north end for next next year. As you all know, I don't say it, but I I'll say it. We did

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we had two main projects. The save a lot parking or save a lot facade and the new restaurant on the north end. Um lot >> yeah lot side. So moving forward on the north miscellaneous expenses we had a

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thousand. We didn't need that in there. Uh we we reduced that to 500. And um Steve is is looking into all of course with the general fund and other um uh allocations looking at the actual calculations. So we're looking into

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that. >> Do you have any questions on that for the north mayor? I do. So in line 53 for improvement projects, that's 119,973. And

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the city manager is saying that Grove Avenue needs to be fixed. So how um how much of the how much or would it take all of the 119,000 to fix Grove Avenue? >> It's going to take the majority of it,

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but not just Grove, the other connecting streets that are in that North CRA. But this is what I'm asking. If you fix Grove, is there any money left over for the connecting street? >> There may be some. I have to get quotes on on Grove. I'm going off of very rough

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estimates. I need I need >> The reason I ask is because paving is very expensive. Usually most paving here we get a CDG grant for, >> right? >> Um and we're talking about um well, it says right here, so it would be asphalt asphalt paving. >> Yes, asphalt paving.

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>> Um and then one Other question I have. Mayor, um, city manager has mentioned several times looking at the vision and master plan. Um, I had asked you where do we find that is the version that is

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on the city website, the actual final one that was adopted in the ordinance. >> That's the latest version. >> That's the one I've been looking at. >> Yeah, that's the latest version. >> I mean, people can look at it as much as they want. Yes, ma'am. Because you sent me the ordinance. >> That's the latest version.

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>> But you didn't. So, how do we know it's the latest version? >> It's dated 2024. >> It should have been. Who would have upload? Why would they have uploaded? Well, the reason because it was done in final when they uploaded that >> and the heads was in 24. It's dated 24.

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>> Okay. The reason I asked because there's supposed to be a narrative portion. Is the narrative portion on the website? The reason I ask is because the CRA um our CRA grant rules

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that the city manager was originally working from when he got here were not the latest adopted version. So, um I just wanted to make sure we have the latest adopted version and there's supposed to be a narrative portion. >> Have you read through it? Have you

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pulled it up and I did >> this? Here is the >> May of 2024. That is the latest one that we have and that's when the ordinance was done. >> Okay. I guess I will have to go back and look. >> Let me see the second page. Right. >> No, I'm not talking about the narrative

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provision plan. We adopted a CR ordinance that had a narrative section that talked about, for example, the festivals that we were going to have. It wasn't I don't care. >> All right. It's available exists.

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>> But where is it living? It's not in community. >> But I can find >> Right. What I don't see is the narrative part. >> That's just the vision. >> Yeah. We don't have to do don't look through the whole thing. That's what she's saying.

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>> That what's on there is not the entirety of get for him if you would since he wasn't here when that was done. Just if you would since it's a concern of yours if you would get find whatever it is that needs to be in there and make sure that you give it to him so that he can get it.

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>> The goals and objectives portion of that. >> Is that what is that what you're looking for? No, there's a narrative that readopt the updated CRA plan. >> Yes. Yes. And >> and >> I don't know where that is. >> Okay. Well, we'll make sure it's on the website.

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copy because we're not going to figure it out right here. >> No, exactly. And and it should have been submitted to MUN code. So, it should have been updated through code. >> I didn't find that. >> This is not >> So, it's this plan that was updated in

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24 or >> we're not doing this right now. >> That's fine. >> We are call Wait a second. Wait a second. Let's make sure that we get this that we get this straight because this is important because somebody just asked me for a copy of the master of that master plan.

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So this >> So this was updated in 2024. This is what >> So this is what you're talking about. I will find this in a 24 document. I I'll work on it. What right now on the website? This is the latest that's on the website. >> Okay. >> Yeah. But

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>> yeah, that's >> I don't know where to find that on. >> It's on the CRA page. >> If you go to the community redevelopment page, it's it's here under CRA and it's right here down down here. CRA approved plan amended. And then you have the

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redevelopment plan appendix too. >> Our goals and objectives are on there. The vision master plan's on there. >> All this has been up all this has been updated with the all the information. This will have to update with that 2024 amendment. >> Yeah. >> Right. Because if that's not the 2024

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version, then it is not current. >> Correct. >> We folded that in. There were updates. So, okay. >> I wasn't aware, but now I'm aware and I'll I'll work on it. >> Okay. >> Yes. Because we have our goals and objectives for 2025. It's on there. >> Yeah.

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>> So, yeah. >> Okay. I just want to make sure that we get that. So, >> okay. I'll take care of that. Okay, if you'll go back to real fast, if you'll go back to line 28, um 29, it looks like there was a car allowance and

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there was $2,850 that was extended for this year. Could you check on that? That shouldn't have been um >> says using personal car. I believe we we we defin we have looked at that right >> note to to describe what that central

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>> um this is the central >> okay that's I don't have that note on looking at >> okay we're pretty sure that was previous um previous manager >> okay >> that uh that money was utilized as part of her contract >> and >> but she wasn't here for long enough for

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that for that to have been utilized so this is coming under her actual 28.50 which started October one and I believe she left right after October >> Christmas time. >> Please make sure just check on that amount and see where if maybe

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something's been >> misallocated. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. >> South >> south. >> So we had carried forward again um in the south the salaries those have been adjusted. The improvement projects here

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have gone up significantly. Um we have $61,165 in there. That is for what we are want to tie in for historic remnants of prison cells. It's historic um tourism.

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We would we're proposing to uh clean and fix anything around the old jail for people to come and visit. a water wheel, the waterworks, including fencing, a trail, plantings and signs and new benches at the waterfront. >> It's called the old jail and waterworks. >> Old jail waterworks project. Yeah,

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>> just >> and this was part of the >> prisons. >> Sorry. >> No, it's a jail. It was the city jail. >> Okay. Okay. And the historic works, >> but you're taking away from redevelopment grants. even though and

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you know all said and good I think that that that facility um it's my opinion but if there's something that you know that

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we're taking away from them that we're that is very visual to everyone as they drive in from the south drive in to the town from the south >> and look at what you're looking at agree >> okay it's not very attractive >> I agree So that's something that we need to

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really I would like for us personally and that's my that's my request is that we focus on as you're driving in Summit coming in from the south headed north. What can we do to make that south area

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more appealing um which is in within our CRA. Some of those buildings opted out back in the day. Um, >> yeah, >> also maybe looking at how we could if they could amend those in any way and opt back in if that's an option and and

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approach those those businesses. Find out first before we make any promises or or or commitments. Um, but I just really think I mean I understand and that's that's a nice project over there, but that park itself needs work.

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>> Yes. before we attack that. And I but I I still think that it's the first impression people have as they come into town. And that's where these I think right now we should focus these CRA dollars because it's looking pretty rough down there.

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>> It is. And and and I'll be honest and um my opinion is that uh the business owners of those properties and buildings need to step up. >> Yeah. they need to step up and if we have the availability they need to step forward and we need to work together to

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find out what they they need. Um I go back to this because of the what we found this year. Central not the same. You know, Central had a lot of activity but there's just limited activity in these areas and so my my opinion was if it's

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limited and nobody wants to participate, let's put the money in in where we can control it and make a change. But I agree with you, mayor, that it doesn't look good coming in. And there are a couple >> and we've talked about a sign at Eagle Lion Park. I mean, these are some things that

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>> that we just really need to do that as you're coming in as you're coming into town. >> I agree. >> Yeah, I could um >> speaking to the way it looks, I agree. It's it's very bare. Um part of that is

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just because of how 17 has been handled. There's no landscaping. There's no anything. Um, but you know, we could try again because the uh convenience store that's a new owner or operator or both.

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>> Yes, it's both. Right. So, and they did apply for the signed grant and then >> I think the daycare facility that >> was not in the CR >> that's not in the CRA or they wanted to opt out. >> It's it's only I [snorts] mean the South

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Sierra district only includes the the lot where the the campground is going to be and goes right about one block and then across and I mean it's it it crosses 17 >> kind of goes back and forth. Yeah. and they all those properties that belong

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there are not in either area central or the south. So I I think it's a good idea to maybe try to approach them and see if they would like to opt back in um because yeah >> and and I think we I brought this up and

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it was recently brought up in our discussion but the combination >> of taking north central and south if that's available to bring it all together into one but I don't know the legality >> because the the central is going to sunset >> okay frame

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put it into that otherwise the the other it can last until 2045 or something. Um, but then we expand we extended the central CRA once because it was originally established in 95 but we renewed it but you can't renew it again. So that's why they established the north and the south to go on.

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>> Okay. >> I don't know when the central sun sets if we can expand the north and south but and to do an expansion we would have to do another study which maybe FSU grad student can help us with. >> They can. I mean UF is the one agent

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that does it to to show the blight and the >> right >> need for revocation. >> Okay. Do we have any other any other discussions on the south? >> No. Okay.

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>> Okay. And we've gotten through that. We have anything else that needs to be brought forward? Okay. What does Monday look like? What do we have on Monday's agenda? We've got a special meeting for to hear from Mr.

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Taylor regarding the fire department >> and we have CRM. >> We have the grants >> and then we have the um women's civic association request. We have their request. >> Okay. Sharita, do you have do you have the

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civic women's civic association request >> on the I have the the file. Was there additional documentation on that? Yeah, that's going to be on the agenda. Make sure it's on the >> Yeah, just make sure. Yeah, it's on the agenda. >> While we're here, yeah, if I could with

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respect to um the women's the the budget line item aid to private organizations, I had um just to review city manager, I sent him a question. Um what funds have we dispersed from that already? Because

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it shows 700 spent year to date. I don't [clears throat] remember who they went to. I don't need to know now, but if we could have that in front of us um when women civic brings it up and also um I

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was talking to um Kitty Mill and I don't know if >> I don't know if we did the Christian service center or not, but >> $300. She was pardon. >> It was $300 to the U South Christian Service Center.

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>> That was from the That was >> That was from the year. That was late, wasn't it? [clears throat] We did three We did 300 to the Women's Civic Association, the backpack. We did 300 to the library and we did 300 to the

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Christian service center and 100 to pink al Putnham. We did not do pink out hutman this year. So there should not be a hundred for this fiscal year because we didn't participate for whatever reason. Um and um so I don't know on

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this fiscal year. So those might have been a carry forward from last year, but they just didn't get paid out. They just didn't get paid out from last year. >> So because I don't know that I don't recall us having it on the agenda to approve it. So, but I'm sure that especially with the Wind Dixie closing,

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I know the Christian Service Center is going to definitely um if they haven't already made the request. >> I got an email from them today. >> Okay. >> That said they should be coming in. So, should I add them to the agenda as well >> on for Monday or for the regular meeting?

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>> Um probably for the regular maybe for the regular meeting >> and by then you'll have that. So, because we're also going to need that for um we need at least what what we have available for when we take this up on Monday. >> Anything else?

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>> One more thing. So, it's my understanding we still don't have the close out for the fiscal year that ended September 30th. >> Very close. I'm working on just a couple more things. I just we're just going through some line items. Just trying to

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make sure everything's correct. So, very very close. because we need to have that and I was [clears throat] I was surprised that we didn't have I I don't need to know now but at some point if we could note

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commissioners I'm not sure why the um and this certainly could be before Steve's time why the better place funds weren't brought forward previously the the carryover but we don't I don't need to

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>> it was if you'll note that it was noted um I think in 2024 there would be a carryover and I believe it was the 300,000 and for some reason last year in our fiscal year we had you know >> right we had to change >> we had to change

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that >> no it's okay I mean when there's change of person there's no >> so okay that was yeah because he said in here in the 2024 the city anticipates 433 carrying over as a fund balance to

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give us a total of 654 and um so I believe so I believe that was part of it being consist and then mayor didn't we talk

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about the resolution to put the additional funds in the board of crime and do we have enough time to advertise that or does it have to go on >> it doesn't I think you can so if you want to add that Will that give y'all enough time to get that prepared? You'll

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add that >> just the resol the resolution >> resolution for the Florida prime. That'll be a public hearing >> and we don't have to we don't have to advertise. >> We don't have to advertise. >> There's resolution just >> um so but but make sure that's under a

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public hearing because they do have to be heard under a public hearing. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And >> and then check and check the first one to see. >> Yeah. Make sure >> that first one to see. >> Yeah. If it doesn't have any dollars in it, then we're good. and we can submit that. >> Do we have anything else? Commissioner

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Burton, you good? >> I'm good. >> Everybody good? >> Um, I do have a question. >> Um, I'm going to be sure exceeding my travel budget again to go to FLC. >> Um, is that okay? Last year I asked for permission. You guys said I was special.

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Um, special called me. [clears throat] Um, I have registered and I but I I did find a room. I'm staying at the double tree on the street, so it's actually cheaper. I just have to wheel down the

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road. >> So So this is for Hollywood. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I think I, you know, I hate to say this because it doesn't make you sound special, but I think for this time around, you might want to just stay within your budget and let's see what we

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got going down the rest of the year because we might all have to give up some budget money that's in this fiscal year. In this current, how much are you over? >> I have no idea because the numbers aren't accurate. It says that she spent all her money in items and tax dollars, which is not right.

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>> Okay. So, Steve, would you please we also need this on Monday. So, we need to take this up on Monday because he's going to have to make some decisions. Yeah. >> Put this on the agenda as well because we're going to have to we're going to have to vote on it. um if you would make sure that we all have um the

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commissioners know exactly what their budget is and that's something we've talked about every year is as you plan out your training your travel this is how much we have to deal with everybody try to work within those parameters um and mayor yes I have this question and I

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don't remember I just asked city manager whether brought it up here so forgive me if I brought it up here already um the main street conference that Commissioner Rory and I are going towards too. Um my

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question is we discussed when Mr. Red was here whether commission participation in redevelopment conference and possibly Main Street conference because it's part of redevelopment could come out of CR. [laughter]

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So would that help Commissioner Royy's travel? I'm just not even counting that. >> Okay. So, you weren't counting that. >> I mean, just registering for college $50 >> for the Florida City for Rachel.

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>> Oh, [laughter] right. Okay. Well, that >> that's a different issue. They make you pay for Rachel. Yes, she's a guest. >> So, and they made it more expensive. It used to be $100 for a guest. Now, it's $50 for the lunchon and $75 for the dinner. So, it's $120. Well, it's not a

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guess that you that's something I would take up with the FLC because it's not a guess that you would that you >> need to >> right they do I guess for her to have a

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badge and to accompany him they then they are charging and I understand your point that should be >> yes that shouldn't that shouldn't be that shouldn't be the case >> so I them if you would in the meantime ask that question. >> No, I can ask them.

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>> All they can say is no, but you need to you know stress >> but you can't you can't and they've made a combination on other so it was just for this but I hadn't asked them about that so I won't >> and and I don't know that the city can't

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so out of your funding I don't know that we can pay I don't know that we can pay for um we'd have to make we'd have to do some sort of concessions. you need to run that through dawn. How we would do that because we'd be paying for um

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>> a resident, >> right, >> to be attending with him even though he needs that. So, we're going to have to figure that out, too. Okay. So, if you would talk to Don about that, how we can do that. >> I will. >> Well, because we're paying for out of

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your budget. Okay. We're paying for someone else. even though it's a need that you have, >> it's it's like us paying for a resident to go to a training out of your budget. So, we just have to be careful to make

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sure that we've done it correctly. I mean, and maybe it's not maybe it's a mute point. Maybe there's nothing to it, but we have to make sure because if we're paying for her, even though he has special circumstances and maybe we need to make that identifiable in his I mean

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identify that in his training budget, >> that whatever we have to do, talk to Don about it because otherwise we could have other residents that just saying, >> yeah, I get it. >> Might say, you know, but >> on that point and I think it's a great distinction. I think that paying for the

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companion to assist is more in the category of putting in the ramp to provide accessibility here. It's like >> I understand that, >> right? But I understand we need to run it by >> especially if they're out of town and we're paying for for that. We're paying for those accommodations. I have to make sure.

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>> I agree. >> While we're here, mayor, I'm looking at my calendar at August and the rest of this month. Do we have and when do you all want to meet up again to run through the general fund? uh as we get to know the numbers a little better from the

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county as well um and the CRA again and I mean we've run through all of it now once >> so I just would like to know >> when you all would like >> that on Monday >> yes we can >> something for everybody have their calendars and look at and make sure you

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put all your vacation time and all your travel time in there >> perfect >> and we'll take that up on Monday >> yes ma'am >> you'll add that to the agenda >> okay >> we have Anything else? >> Okay, with that I'm going to um Miss

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Alice, are you okay? You good? You're done. Okay, with that I'm going to go ahead and This workshop is agenda. >> Thank I mean [laughter] a germ. It's a term. What happens when I have nutrition?

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Before I came here, >> I had [clears throat] yogurt, but it sure did.

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meeting for July 16th, 2026 to order. Should I start again? >> No. Roll call. Um, board member Ry Green, board member Dan Dodge,

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>> present. Board member Robert Sher >> here. >> Vice Chair Kenetta Hardy >> here. >> Um, assistant city manager Sierra Mc manager Bonnie Love >> here.

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>> And myself Sharita Belure the court. >> All right. Approval of minutes. >> Yes ma'am. approval of of minutes June 18, 2026. >> I just had a question about minutes. When I read through them, it said that

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um uh the two things that we voted on that uh Mr. Green seconded the motion, then he voted against it. So, I doubt he would have seconded it and then voted against it. >> Okay, I can verify that. So that's the

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only question I had. >> That's what I had in my >> I can check that and come back next time. >> Okay, that was your question. >> No, that's good. >> Anything else?

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That's it. >> That's it. >> Okay. So, do we make a motion on to approve the minutes with the question? >> I prefer. >> Yeah, we can. Do you want to deal with the question or you just want to bring them back next?

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>> Was that about the fence? >> Uh, no. It was about the um the zoning in town. >> Oh, >> the comp plan and the zoning. >> I I have another comment in the minutes.

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When we talked about the uh u central business district, um we we had three uh three conditions that we wanted uh to change and I think they should be stated in the minutes.

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>> You want them stated, >> please do that. >> Thank you. >> Very good. Are there any other questions concerns that the board has? >> So at this time, do we have a motion to

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accept the minutes meeting minutes with the ne miss necessary corrections or I >> make a motion that we approve the minutes with the recognizing the necessary corrections. All right, it has been approved and

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second. >> I I >> didn't know if you want a roll call or >> roll call. I'm sorry. >> Okay. Um, board member Dan Dodge. >> Hi. >> Board member Robert Sher.

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>> Hi. Vice Chair or acting chair can get a hard >> I so approved. >> Okay. Thank you. Moving on. New items. A 720 Randolph Street smallcale comprehensive plan amendment request.

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>> I'm going to discuss items A and B together, but they will need two separate actions. Yes. >> Uh could you you need to identify yourself for the record? >> Oh, yes. I apologize. Rebecca Conson. So item A is a future land use amendment

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that's associated with item B, a resoning request. These are both requests by Sarah Meyer with Newberry on behalf of the property owner and Lois Williams Life Estate. This is for a rebuild for an existing

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home. The property has been used as a single family residence since 1985. can unfortunately sustain substantial damage during the hurricanes and it basically just means that more than half of the property's value are

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now approved in damages. The land development code requires that if a property is damaged more than 51% of its assessed value, it has to be rebuilt in compliance with the code. This property currently has a public

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building and grounds future land use and public facilities zoning which do not allow residential uses. So in order to demolish the existing home and rebuild another residence, the resoning is required.

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The request is to change the future land use to residential medium density which matches the surrounding future land uses and to change the zoning to SR1 single family residential which also matches the adjacent properties. Um, as far as

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the history on the property and why it has a public building in grounds, future land use and public facilities zoning, I could not find that information, but it is in very close proximity to a church to the south that has that future land use and zoning and

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the school to the east that also has that future land use and zoning. Staff is recommending approval of this facility use request and res request as it will maintain the character of the area and will not affect the existing residences.

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Are there any questions about this request? >> No, thank you. >> Okay. Um and just a reminder, this will require two actions. One for the future. >> Great. Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Do we have any other comments? Is it okay? >> Do does a representative want to say anything? You came a long way. >> I can. Hi, Sarah Meyer with Dub Engineers 800 North Avenue, Orlando, Florida. on behalf of the property

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owner. I don't have a presentation, but I'm just, you know, staff has been pleasant to work with. We're anxious to get started, and if you have any questions, I'll do my best to answer them for you. >> I don't have any question. >> I have no question. >> Great. Thank you all. Thank you for your time.

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>> Thank you. >> All right. So, at this time, um, do we have a motion to, um, amend the smallcale comprehensive plan request for 720 Randolph Street?

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>> I would make that motion. >> Second. >> Vote. Yes, ma'am. Uh, board member Robert Sher. >> Yes. >> Board member Dan Dage. >> Yes. Vice Chair. >> Yes. >> So agree.

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>> All right. And the second action. Um do we have a motion to accept the reszoning request for 720 Randolph Street? >> I'll make that motion. >> I'll second.

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And uh board member Dan Dodge. >> Yes. >> Uh board member Robert Sheer. >> Yes. >> Vice Chair Kenetta Hardy. >> Yes. >> All right. Um moving on.

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Are there any staff comments? >> No. >> Okay. I do have a loan. >> The central business district resoning was first read at the last city commission meeting. And at that meeting, the city commission determined that they

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want the proposed text amendments to be reviewed concurrently with the second reading for the resoning so that they can review those together. And the city manager has also directed us to hold another public workshop to discuss the text amendment as well. So,

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we are scheduling that public workshop for July 30th. We will be sending letters and I'm going to give each of you a copy of those letters as well. We will be sending letters out to the affected property owners tomorrow.

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And um and then following that public workshop, we will bring forward the text amendment to you all. And then if you approve it, then we'll bring it forward to city commission. I have a question. >> Okay.

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>> Um, >> this is the letter that we are sending to property owners. >> At at the last commission meeting, uh, it was implied that the school district may opt out of

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the change in zoning. Did that occur? >> Yes, they have since opted out. >> Thank you. So we will revise and not to reflect that. >> Is there anything else? >> No, I just wanted to provide you all with a copy of a letter that we were

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sending to property owners in case you have any questions about it and we are inviting you all to attend if you are available so that you can be part of that discussion as well. >> Thank you. All right. At this time, are there any

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public comments? Hearing none, we will move on. Board member comments. >> I want to compliment our vice chair for an excellent job in chairing this meeting. >> I'll I'll second that. >> And we certainly appreciate your

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attendance. I apologize for took longer than I expected. Okay. And at this time, we will adjourn the

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July 16th, 2026 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting.