Okay. >> Tell me what we're I was not happy about We're going to call this meeting to order. Thank you everyone for being here. Today is our city commission
regular scheduled meeting along with our CRA meeting. Um the date is February 12th, 2026. It's approximately 6:03 p.m. I'm going to ask um that
a call to order. I've done that. And so I'm going to ask Commissioner Moore if you would leave us an invitation, please. Everyone please stand if you are able. >> Let's bow our heads. Dear heavenly father, once again we're
here. We thank you for allowing us to come together one more time. We ask that you bless us and keep us. We thank you for your mercy. We thank you for how you watch over us all night long. We kept us safe from all harm and danger, seen and unseen. and we ask that you be with us
tonight and help us to do those things that would be pleasing in that sight and we forever give you praises. All these blessings we do ask and ask in Jesus name. Amen. >> Amen. I pledge of allegiance. I pledge to the flag of the United States of
America and to the stands one nation for all. Okay, >> Miss Taylor, if you would please do a roll call for us. >> Commissioner Lisa Dina, >> present. >> Commissioner William Lori,
>> present. >> Commissioner Linda Moore, >> here. >> Commissioner Cynthia Burton, >> here. >> City Manager Derek Martin >> here. >> City Attorney Don Holmes >> here. Major Usher
>> here. Director >> here. >> Public works director Ke. >> Mayor Myers. >> I'm present. Thank you. Thank you very much. With that, I'm going to start with some of our announcements. So, we've got
um quite a few announcements. First and foremost, everyone, I'm not sure if you're are aware, but our beloved Commissioner Banks lost his son um last week, this past week. Um they're going
to have the visitation for the family and friends that is going to be um tomorrow evening and it's going to be at the Johnson Temple from 5 to 7:00. And then the funeral or the celebration of wife will follow at two o'clock on
Saturday at Mount Taber First Baptist. Um spoke to Commissioner Banks and he of course because he's a man of his word and in the word um is seemed um today peaceful but um
said this is his baby. >> He said this is his baby. Um, and I just shared with him that the commission and everyone was thinking of them and lifting them all up. And he said that he has had an outpouring of support from
everyone. And so, thank you to our community. Thank you um to his fellow members of his church and to his family across from Orlando to Georgia for looking out for this family. Um, Commissioner Banks and Miss Banks. Um
this is something that no parent ever wants to go through. So our thoughts and prayers are with them. Commissioners, you know that um you sent a a large piece Lily to um be at Mount Taver tomorrow. Um so just so any of you are
Anyway, um let's start with some of our other announcements. We've got Hal Memorial United Methodist Church. They're having their Valentine flea market. It's going to be this Friday and Saturday starting tomorrow morning at 8:00. Be early. Early bird always gets a warm. Rain or
shine, multiple vendors, food available in the fellowship hall at the Methodist church. They will have breakfast from 8 to 11:00 and lunch from 11 to 2. We also, this leads us into, I don't know if any of y'all know this, but Saturday, if you don't know it, get on
notice. Um, is Valentine's Day. And so, um, we've got quite a few groups that are having dinners, and we're going to start with art. They're having a fundraiser, dinner and dance. Um, I spoke to Miss Jenny uh yesterday,
and she said already they probably have about 70 people that are going to be there. It's an Eagle's Nest Farm. It's 470 Old Highway 17. Tickets are $75 per person or 140 per couple. They'll have dancing. and they're going to have
delicious food. Um, and it's a fundraiser to help fund the operation of the new countywide lowcost spay and neuter mobile clinic. So, reach out to them if you need. They prefer that you have reservations. So, you can reach her
at the Crescent City Council. And then I got from Victory Church, they are having a love Sunday and that is going to be February 15th from 2 PM um and they're going to hold it I guess
at Eva Eva Lions Park um at 100 North Summit. So for anybody that's that's who's going to be out there, I'm sure there'll be some great singing. We've got um the women's club is also
they are going to also be having a Valentine's dinner and that's going to open up at six o'clock on Saturday evening. I believe it's a spaghetti dinner and the tops for that is going to be $15.
And then we've got um the Fruitland Historical Society. They will be meeting at the women's club on Thursday the 19th. the speaker and that's at four o'clock in the afternoon. Cynthia Asia is going to be there speaking and she is
going to basically um the story of Cynthia Asia in the south. So I'm sure that'll be very that'll be very enlightening. Yes. And mayor, if I could, the program is in recognition and honor of um Black History Month and Miss
Asia's family is multigenerational um in Putnham County and she's going to be talking about Black History family. So, I'm sure it's going to be >> she is right. And children are welcome
to attend. Yes. So, if you can please I hate that I'm not going to be there. Some of us can't. We have to That's a busy day. That's a busy day. Um, and then we've got, of course, the big event that we have
coming up for the park also is February 27th and 28th. We've got the Soul Food Festival. This is you're here today and so um, do you have anything that you'd like to say? I know that evening it's going to be open from what 5:00 to 9:00 and
you're going to be um they'll be selling fish and chicken. Correct. >> Fish and chicken dinners with sides. >> Fish and chicken dinners with sides. And then on Saturday, do you want to say a little bit about Saturday? >> Saturday there will be a parade first uh
starting at 12:00. If anyone uh that you know of would like to participate in the parade, please see one of the members from Concerned Citizens. We still have um spots for them >> great.
>> And then we'll end up in the park with entertainment and food trucks and lots of goodies. >> Good. >> Good. Please share with everyone that I did talk to that he is he is trying. >> He is he is trying. He is trying but I
made sure that he knew. Um the women's club is having bunko. So, they're having Bunko on the 18th from 1 to 3. And then they're having bingo on the 20th, which is next Friday evening. Um, starting at 5:00. Bunko normally starts at 5:45.
Don't be late. You want to have your card and your and your tapper. Uh, and then we also have, this is something that I received, and I know this is going to be um, uh, the Liberty Tree of Putnham County. I don't know if any of you are familiar with this, but
they're having the 250 years of American independence at the Liberty Tree of Putnham County dedication, which is going to be Saturday the 28th at 1:00 in the afternoon. It's the at the John Debold Sports Complex in Pala. So, um,
looks like it's the William Paramin chapter, um, is one of the ones sponsoring this along with the Pala Sunrise Rotary. And then this one, Commissioner Moore, you wanted to say about the March 7th. Do you want to say a little bit about
that? >> Okay. On um March the 7th, VA sorority will be sponsoring um a brunch. and we sponsor it every year where we um raise money for
scholarships that we give to students in all the schools here. So, it will be very important if you all just donate a little bit if you can't come. This will take place on March March the 7th, 2026 at 11:00 a.m. and it will be taking
place at Pala High School where there's lots of room to do a lot a lot of things. We will have vendors and if you want to sell something, you can u reach out and um to the table to me if you would like to um participate
in this particular um um fundraiser. It's very important to our students to get those funds that we help them with with their um school. And this we also um
we recognize five young ladies that have done lots of good things for the community and we recognize them during this um particular um brunch. So if you're not doing anything on Saturday, March 7th, please
come high school at 11:00 a.m. You will enjoy yourself cuz there's lots of stuff. >> Thank you. the tickets. Um I do have tickets at >> 11:00 a.m. to that time. >> So whenever I think it's about 4, 3 hours, something like that. So you can shop. There's different.
>> So you have tickets for that, too? >> Yes, I do. >> And you have tickets to the soul food soul food. Okay. >> $15 tickets. Look, you can't get dinner for $15. >> You can't. Not anymore. You can. >> You can. So you need a ticket. Come see me. I'm here.
>> Everybody see you need a ticket. So, I want to bring to um the commission's attention and to the community, this was shared with me that Thunder Roads of Florida um that they did a a whole one-page spread on the Crescent City
Bikefest 2025 and and the success of that. So, um someone shared that with me and asked that I just share with the commission. So, if anybody wants to wants to see that, um that was a great city.
So, with that, if we have no other announcements, I'm going to go ahead and we're going to um move on to our approval of minutes. Commissioners, you have before you the minutes for December 11th, 2025, the special meeting that we had on
January 6, 2026, the city commission regular uh meeting on January 8th, and the special meeting we had on February 5th of 2026. I believe we had some um recommended changes that came in from Commissioner Devito. I don't know, this came in this
afternoon if anyone has um had an opportunity to look these over. So um if anyone has any any um other changes or we can entertain a motion.
Um, mayor, there might be a couple that I had a raised question. Um, there's a couple that I'm not 100% sure about. You want me to identify those?
Um, I mean, some some of them are >> I will comment that. Yes, there is a pageent in the first seven minutes. >> Well, right. That's when the um my documents are printed, but when I went
online um to look at the minutes uh in the online agenda packet, the first page did not get in. And one request I have of the city manager is that when minutes are prepared, they have the date and
page numbers on them because otherwise I'm not sure how you know where you are. And um I was looking at some old minutes and I think Mr. Kennedy used to do them that way. So um but anyway, I did not have any changes on the first page. Um I'm not going to go through we don't
have time to go through these page by page by page. And um I've also um you know, commissioners, we're going to go back to this a little bit. And I I hate to bring this up, but I'm going to. And I made a copy about minutes and what
minutes should really what minutes should be. Um, you're welcome to a copy of this from Robert's rules, but I've been going through minutes and minutes and minutes just recently. And a lot of the minutes in the past have been one
page, maybe two pages. Um, basically it's the actions that are taken. And I caution everyone again that when we make changes that we should be um especially if we're doing trying to do verbatim for
what someone has said that it you know that you've got we have a recording that will do that. We have video that you can grab from also but without I know my memory is not what it used to be. Um, and while I think that somebody might
have said something, it's important that you know those are checked. So, but if you're saying there's a page missing from this first seven minutes. >> Yes, sir. >> So, does somebody want to make a motion to um table these until
the next meeting? I'll entertain that. >> I did table these four sets of minutes until our next meeting. >> Why? Okay. >> It's missing page. >> We're missing page. So for everyone to review. Yes. Commissioner Dita. >> So that's the December 11th set. That's
missing the first page of the December 11th set. But um Mayor >> Sorry. Yes. Okay. Um I have listened very carefully to the um in the League
of Cities webinars and regardless of Robert's rules um Robert's rules are a guideline but they don't necessarily cover all the situations of every kind of organization. Um Robert's rules were originally generated for
bodies like Congress. And if you'll notice from Robert's rules, if it says you're supposed to stand when you speak, we don't stand. >> I understand that. There's a lot of things we don't follow in Robert's rules, but we can refer to them, >> right? We refer to them. But um the
recommendation in League of Seminars by the attorney who does them is that your minutes should be an accurate reflection. Well, they should be a reflection of what happened so that when you go back and look at them, you have a
good idea of what you did and why, but also they should be accurate. You've said that yourself. >> I have. >> So, in the December 11th um minute, um, one of the things I noted was where it should say Scrier, it says
>> it's spelled incorrectly. >> It spelled a word that's not scrier. And then I had a question. Okay. I had a question on page 10. Um there's two paragraphs where um it's
written out what someone said, but it doesn't say who said it. Like the first paragraph has something that our city manager said. The second paragraph I think was the mayor, not Mr. Martin. Um third paragraph is the clerk responding.
and the fourth paragraph I think is the mayor. It doesn't if you don't indicate who said something. Um so the minutes don't make any sense. And as well I wanted to bring to your attention
um under additional business. Um, I think uh that was where Commissioner Lori requested permission to participate uh individually in county discussions regarding the Miller uh
property purchase says permission was granted but did we vote? No. >> So I I think maybe that should be there was no objection because >> Okay. So again, rather than us labor
through these minutes, which we do, we labor through minutes. I've never been in meetings that labor over minutes the way we do. >> The only meeting I've been at that does this. So, okay. What I'm my my recommendation, >> my recommendation is is that you,
whoever has these changes, please get with the clerk prior to the meeting and make sure that they are clarified because us sitting here thinking that somebody has said something and we don't know for, you know, if it's factual or
not, that gets us nowhere other than discussing it. So, if you want to table those minutes, send them back to the clerk, get with the clerk with those changes that you that you have, um, we can do that. >> Okay.
>> So, you table all of the minutes. >> No, I'm right now we're tableabling. I'm asking if y'all want to table December 11th. >> Okay. I want to make sure. >> Yeah. I move that we table the minutes from December 11th, 2025 for the regular meeting.
>> Okay. Do I have a second? I'll second that. Okay, >> we have a proper motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. >> Oppos? Nay. Okay, so tabled. Okay, we're going to move on to the next set of minutes and that's January 6,
2026. Commissioners, >> I'll make a motion to um approve the special meeting on January 6, 2026. >> Second, I >> Okay, we have a proper motion and a second.
Do we have um any discussion? >> Um there's no discussion. >> No, I have a question again about that on page four. Um, it says that I made the motion to eliminate the following properties from further consideration. I
don't think I made that motion. And it says Commissioner Lori seconded. >> I made that motion. >> I think Commissioner Lori made that motion. >> Okay. So, do you want to make that? Are Are you positive? Both of you positive. >> I
don't know who. >> Okay. So, do you want to do you want to change your motion with this correction and ask the clerk to um put the proper name in for a second? That
there's some other issues with these minutes. Um I don't issue on page five for some reason. Um, under draft grievance policy, it refers to city manager Martin as new city
manager. I think the new could be taken out. Um, as well under administrative matters and first bullet ethics training. It says Mayor Myers announced that city management staff I think gave her
opinion is more accurate. Um, and I think there's I think this meeting is one this is a special meeting on January 6th. Um, on the last page, page six, there's the section on compensation and
benefits. Um, there was one meeting where we had quite a discussion on that and I don't see it anywhere. >> Well, I know we had a discussion on it at that meeting. So, and it does and it
does refer to that. It does refer to that. So, we currently have a motion >> um with those changes for the the um the one that made the motion and the second. Correct. >> That's correct. >> That's what your motion is. Yep.
>> And we have a proper second. >> Do we have anything else? Commissioners, >> was that a meeting where you specifically spoke to the city ordinance and the attorney general's opinion and other documents about paying it? >> It says that, doesn't it?
>> No. Then that was what I added is that >> I don't know. I don't know. And again, that's what I'm saying, right? is we're going based on what you think. >> And that's that's what you said several times that we're going based on what you think >> and we should it should never be based
on us making changes without them being factual. Okay. So my con my concern is that nowhere in any of these sets of minutes where we talk about um compensation and benefits is it does it
include the main points that were actually discussed. There's a very abbreviated reference and nowhere does it speak to the prior ordinances, the attorney general's opinion and the other documents that >> Well, we made no decision. We made those
decision. And that was just a discussion. So there was really no action taken. It was just a discussion. >> I recall you first brought it up at the special meeting. >> And then it says there's a paragraph here at the end of the next regular meeting that we talked about further. It actually references the ordinance from
1999. So that we have a longer yes discussion. >> And in this one I I think this is the one where we compensation benefit Senator um city manager Martin stated that he would research the historical basis. So again, I've got a proper
motion and a second. I'm going to go ahead and um all in favor, please say I. >> Opposed? Okay, >> so approved. Let's move on to the next one. We've got January 8th, 2026.
That's our regular meeting that we had in January. Um, yes. Um, I will move that we approve these with changes.
>> Is this >> Wait a minute. Is this the regular meeting? >> Yep. This is the regular meeting. We've got so what you've recommended is that Brendan please insert his last name. So you've asked to have his last name inserted at the bottom of page two
after the bullet points. Key findings insert the paragraph. There were two material weaknesses. Um I don't know that that's necessary. Um but that's up to the commission whether or not you want that. She's asked that we input in there. There were two material weaknesses and two significant
deficiencies. Some were repeat findings from prior years. Also, some findings from years from prior years did not repeat. Um, I think all you would have to say is basically refer to the audit. Um, if that's a concern that you have, but that's up to whoever makes the
motion. On page three, the second paragraph after commissioner Devito, you asked to delete the word questioned and replace with asked about. Yes. >> Right. Because I wasn't questioning it. I was asking about it. I wasn't questioning your judgment.
>> Okay. That's that's an interpretation. Do we have a development agreement with Mr. Griffy or is it a memorandum of understanding that the owner of China want property and potential purchase of Mr. Griffy under business items? >> So, if any of y'all had a chance to look
over these, you put in there that he was trying to purchase. I don't know that we I don't know again the if motion for tree trimming assessment insert the word heritage before the word trees. Um second line after the word trimming
insert the word so that a qualified arbur could be sought to do the work and cost could be determined. Um >> is that a motion? Uh again again I'm going to say that these are recommendations without us
actually you know somebody sitting down and comparing them to the case. So commissioners what would you like to do with these? >> She made a motion. >> She made a motion. Do we have a second? >> No second. >> Okay. >> I'll second that.
>> We have a proper motion and a second and yours included the changes. Correct. >> Correct. even though they might not be correct. >> No, I think they're correct. And I do we have a development agreement with Mr. Griffy. We referred to it in the motion as memorandum of understanding.
>> Well, I'm just saying as long as they're correct, these are going in there. So, all in favor say I. >> I oppose. Nay. Okay. So, approved. We're going to move on to the special meeting
that we had on February 5th of 2026. motion. Um, I move that we approve the minutes from the special meeting of February 5th, 2026 with the following changes. Um, and the first one on page one is very important.
Under number one, call to order and opening procedures. Um, and I did not put these in advance, but the very last um, the very last line of that first paragraph says, "Commissioners Devito and Moore retrieved their packets from
the office." It really should say notice of meeting and packets from the office because that's what we were retrieving. We have to have actual notice. >> Okay. Okay. So, you want to add notice their their notice and packets meeting
and packets from the office because I think that paragraph you were trying to show um that we received it. And then at the end of that sentence where it says Lori and Burton wave delivery of the notice of special meeting to make it
clear that we did get the notice of that special meeting. Um okay. And then on page two, very last paragraph, um, Miss Barry, one of the items that Miss
Barry gave information for after typical residential deposits at $50 and a deposit for rental is $100. That was part of her information. And then on page three, um, there was a motion to authorize
customer. >> I don't understand. What do you want to change on What do you want to change on that? on customer payment plan discussion. >> Director Barry explained that deposits range from 10 for long-term residential customers to 100 for commercial accounts.
>> Well, typical residential deposits at $50. >> Yes. So, what do you want to change? >> And she also said a deposit for rental is $100. That's what she said. >> You want to add deposits for rental for renters?
>> Yes. For renters is 100. Um and then on page three under motions and votes, the motion to authorize customer notification letter. Um someone moved to author as city manager to work with the mayor, but I don't think it was me. It says my name, but I
don't think it was me. Was it Commissioner Burton? >> Right. So I don't if the court could just figure out who moved and seconded that. Okay. To correct that. Okay. Someone did. So, and that that will be it.
>> Okay. So, we have a proper motion. Do we have a motion? >> Yeah. >> Okay. And a second. >> All in favor, please say I. >> Opposed? Nay. >> Okay. So, move. >> At this time, um, I'm going to open this
up for public comment. Um please anyone if you would like to speak on a subject that is not on the agenda this evening please um we have forms in the back if you can fill these out. If you haven't filled that out you're more than welcome um after I've
gone through these to step forward and state your name and address if you will. Our first um our first speaker is Tim Jefferson. Mr. Jefferson if you come forward please state your name and your address if you will.
Tim Jefferson, 209 South Fourth Street, Black and Florida. >> Thank you. >> I have my um Crescent City Downtown Partnership hat on right now. And I just wanted to um see if we could make a date
for a workshop that we had discussed in August and then December also about getting some of our board members and some of the commissioners together to kind of get a clearer vision on what the expectations of the partnership are.
Just a reminder. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Thank you. We need to put that um Mr. Martin, if you would please make sure that that gets scheduled >> and work that out with everyone's dates, that would be great. Do we have anybody else that would like to come forward
that has anything? Yes, sir. Please come forward. State your name and your address if you will. >> Good evening, mayor and commissioners. My name is Dan Dodge and I'm at 218 South of Main Street. I want to talk
about the gas company and compliment their fine work. I've had two or three situations since I've owned my house these last four years. Um, and your crew
does an an excellent job. I recently before the coal snap had a problem. They came out that day within hours fixed it efficiently and I just want to share that great news with you. And it's not the first time. So, thank
you very much. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. Um Mr. Martin, if you please make sure you pass that on to >> Mr. Frank and his staff. Um it's nice when we get compliments, so we appreciate those greatly. Right. But but that's a tradition in Crescent City. The
gas company always gets compliments. >> They do. They do a top-notch job. They really do. So, it's nice if you would share that. But I need to I apologize for this, but we've got I believe we have a Pop Warner. Um somebody's been
trying to call and let me see if um Nope. They're running a little late, our Pop Warner. So, um if that's okay. Is it popcorner? >> Not popcorner. I apologize. It's our um Youth Raiders. Youth Raiders. Yes. >> I just wanted to correct that.
>> Thank you very much. I don't know why I had that as as a popcorn, but it's our football it's our football players. And so we've got some of them that are running a little late. We're going to recognize them tonight. We uh as they should be recognized. So if we can commissioners um if we have nobody else
with public comment. Anybody else with public comment? >> I'm going to close public comment. and I'm going to let them get settled and we're going to go through if everyone is okay. We're going to start with um let major
Hello, welcome. >> I apologize. Had a little difficulty working machinery today. So, I'm going to have to step away step back here. We're going to talk about some of the slides I'm going through. >> You want me to sir to drive so you can just talk? Absolutely. >> Thank you so much.
>> When >> All right. This is a couple thefts we had. As you see, we'll go into some of these other slides kind of some bar graph explain what was going on. As you know, um last month we had some I would say a lot of deaths, but we had some deaths last month as well. So, I'll talk
a little bit more about those, but I'll talk about what happened last night here at 302 last 302 Palmetto Avenue made theft. Um, it was closed by arrest Mr. Kyle Bungarder was arrested for Burgatory Grand theft and dealing stolen property and we'll
talk about Mr. Bungarder a little bit more. The second we have was a vehicle that was left on some change was taken from inside the vehicle. We'll go to the next one. This is our traffic activity where we had summit in Magnolia. Vehicle was hitting from behind from the driver
of that car wasn't paying attention basically collision. Second was at west cranondo vehicle left roadway and struck a tree kind of self-explanatory veron and summit collision intersection vehicle gambling on to turn on the
summit street was rear ended again. Distracted driver not paying attention. kind of summit junction vehicle leaving junction road turning the path of the vehicle traveling south on summit street. So again people not paying attention blowing out in front of people not paying attention to people stopping in front of them.
So no no no major injuries are reported those accidents. Here's your general activities. 277 calls for service. 62 of those were traffic stops. Four traffic accidents. 19 total reports. 10 total arrest and four warrant affidavit were
sent to the state attorney's office. Next slide, please. This kind of shows your your crimes from last month. This is a six-month crime compar comparison. So, that shows last month we had five. This month we had two. I will say that the majority of this was Mr. Kyle
Bungarder. And there was also a gentleman, don't have his name right now, that was found stealing lumber from Ace Hardware, 70 years old, climbing the fence and throwing wood lumber back over the fence. And he was ultimately arrested. >> But Mr. Garner, I will say, is probably
responsible for about 90% of these crimes that we had in Cresant City, and I believe there's probably going to be some more to come as people have have residents here that they're away from right now. They they could possibly come back to we covered several items that we believe are stolen. Again, we don't know
where they came from until people come home and figure out where this stuff was taken from. So, he is in jail right now on multiple charges. That wasn't just the only one. We end up linking him to several other crimes. Some that he admitted to, some that he has the property in his possession.
>> Any questions on those? >> So, um, the gentleman who was arrested, is he a local resident? >> Yes, ma'am. He his girlfriend stayed off of Palmetus. >> Eucalyptus off of Eucalyptus Street right there on the corner. You're probably familiar. He was one of our
troublemakers in in the city. and we've been asking after him for quite some time and we were um I guess karma caught up with him and we were able to uh get a good cash there working. Sorry, >> I was just going to say pretty easy to pick out and you can see the sheriff had
a lot to go through. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, he had a lot of stuff there. Some that was probably stuff that was going away. He was claiming that a lot of it was what he picked up off the side of the road. That's perfectly fine. I know a lot of this was not what he picked up off the side of the road and he was trying to settle there in the front
yard. I think that's that's uh again >> I mean we we I live right there on North Prospect all night long the camera my neighbors cameras these up and down >> we also
>> yeah we couldn't exactly make out what that stuff >> what that did is it's true when we have those two similar crimes we have two or more similar crowns it strikes what we call a pattern in present city and that that that brings in our um crime suppression team and a lot things start working and moving parts start happening
there. Our crime analyst starts taking a look at different things there. Um you probably seeing a lot of big presence in credit city especially when you see the number of arrests that were there. I didn't calculate what suspicious persons being checked out. All that stuff started we started seeing a lot more of
that when we done that what we're calling a um a pattern area. So there's a lot of moving parts that started happening. We knew what was right off the bat. I'll tell you that many times when we see things start happening, we already know who did it, but it's just a matter of time before we can catch them. And our guys, our detectives, the the
deputies that were out here, they done a phenomenal job working together. Uh we are now working with the state to make sure that he is held responsible for these crimes. Yeah, good news. >> He said they work late hours cuz normally he's doing his work late at
night because he comes by my house on his bicycle out when I'm driving home late in the evening or I see him drive by either on a bicycle pulling a cart or just walking pulling a cart and it is loaded and I'm like
>> a little dump truck on my >> I know. I said, I know that nobody has put that stuff out by out by the road. >> And it's it's kind of unfortunately it's aggravating because these these people target these houses that they know are they've been buying several times. They
do certain things to see if there's been vehicles in the driveway. So, they know these people are gone and they just take advantage of hoping that they can get rid of the property before they get back. And then there's kind of well, there's no trace of anything. Well, and I know on Facebook there was not the Facebook, but there was that
about the one house that was when somebody had been away and that's one of the houses I guess that you took care of. He was the offender there. So anyway, thank y'all for doing that and and taking care of that. That's really to everyone and everybody just again
just be cautious, you know, much quieter now. Like I said, Cresant City is an amazing place because when something happens, we know who's out of jail. We know what's going on. You have a select few people that you start looking at and that's one, I would say 100% of the time, that's 99% of the time who is responsible for these. And that's just a
good working relationship with my guys and the people in the community and also the community coming together saying, "Hey, when I have a mayor calling me 10 o'clock night saying, "Hey, someone says so and so out of jail out of jail. We're watching." So, it's >> about that. And you
And you and you do answer um the wreck that was down here at Junction and Summit, I came up on it that night and they are very they're they should be very blessed that nobody was hurt in that accident. Um because it was it looked obviously it was a lot looked a
lot worse than it was but >> but again that's a that's a bad and that's come up before and so we really need to talk to DOT if we can do something there because that is a dangerous intersection. >> Absolutely. So, just take caution when you're driving there. Any other
questions for the major? Okay, major. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> We appreciate you. Um, I'm going to ask at this time, how are we do we have everybody or are we still waiting on some people? >> One more person. >> One more person. Okay. You just let me
you give me a heads up. Okay. Um, so with that, let's go ahead and I'm going to, if it's okay with everyone, I'm going to close out this I'm going to recess this meeting at this time and we're going to open up our CRA and the
time is approximately 6:47. >> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, so the purpose of uh this briefing sheet, if you'll go to your briefing sheet for CRA town hall and grant program, you all had asked me to put together some information for you that you all were going to pick a date that we could
actually do this town hall. The purpose of the town hall is to inform the residents and the businesses about CRA grant program, its goals, objectives, and the application process. Um the issue is is that if you go into your um into your file there, you'll see the
current grant process and application that has been unchanged. There are some areas in there that I think that should be polished before we go to the public. Some things that maybe you all want to take out um and uh and make sure that we're good with the information that we're going to give them. Um, the goal
is to gather all the information, allow them to have at least 30 days, unless you all want them to have more, um, to put together a package that I can bring to you all and then we can figure out how to properly and fairly disperse these funds at a set time.
Mayor, I talked to the city manager at our premeating meeting and I'm not really clear um what he's describing in relationship to what we intended to do. Um my
understanding was that the city manager was going to hold anformational meeting for people who might be eligible for grants. A town hall is really where people come and speak their mind and the commission listens.
I I did not want to hear us talk about a town hall format. I thought we were going to have firstformational meeting tell people about the requirements and then the city would schedule um either a
workshop or a meeting. We would look at the grant applications that had been received and then we would mayor I believe you brought this up. We would do the site visits and discuss those applications and make a decision. >> It's not you're correct. It's not a town
hall. It was anformational. It was anformational. This is how you go about this is our grant program presentation on our grant program. This is how you go about filling out an application. He wanted to do it in February. we asked him to hold off um and and he and I have
had that discussion as well because if we wanted to tweak the application because if you'll remember from the last or one of the meetings that we discussed that we need needed to make it a little bit more um accountable. Yes. >> To those that were receiving the grants.
>> And so um >> can I apologize for the the language use in there? That was just from my header. it it is supposed to be just a a workshop. Um, which also is in the language in there SLworkshop. So, I apologize. Um, if you have the grant
process in front of you, um, there's portions in there that I just don't think match up. Um, it says work can be completed by either contractor specializing the area that is applied for or by the applicant themselves.
Those are the those I think we should make very clear that we want a contractor to do the work. Um there's a couple other things in here. I we can finalize this. Don't have to be perfect tonight. I just want to get the date set and we can change this language and I
can work with you all to get it finalized before we we have that meeting. But I do think that the application or the the um this program itself could be gone through one more time from everybody. I after talking to you today about this
and thinking about it, we I don't know if this is the exact most recent update of this. >> It's not. >> This is this is this is what's on the city website. So, I think we need to estimate this more because this doesn't mention anything about residential properties and we've been giving
residential grants. Um and also we mention about um the historic significance of building being a factor, right? And also the I thought we were going back to doing the 50% >> it's not a target >> if it's not a target and not a property.
So yeah that definitely we need to get and then we have we need to get updated information on the website. So but I mean we can go I think we need to go ahead and set a date. We're just kind of burning here for fiscal year and you know we do have people interested already. Um
>> we just want to make sure that when you hold that date that you're giving them accurate information. Yes. >> Um that was a concern. So if we have any updates to it, we need to make sure. So either we're going to have a workshop to go over this. Um yes, Commissioner D. >> Yes. Along with the items that
Commissioner Roy mentioned that he felt were missing, not up to date. Um, we specifically adopted language that said we would not fund any um, changes to structures that were historic or
contributing to the historic district that would um, change the historic characteristics in building. There's a there's a different version of this that has that. I think we've we've established that we need that that's been established
>> and then it had um and then we discussed um somewhat at a prior meeting there was the item eight about um repayment if improvements are removed altered paint blah blah and we discussed about
required repayment if the building was sold so that um you So, what is everyone's pleasure? We want to do a workshop on this to go over this. Um, do you want to do it before
the next meeting? I think we could probably I think we could go over it pretty quickly if we wanted to do it before our next meeting in March. Maybe um we could even do it that earlier that day. You could do it at at 5:00 even. >> Okay. Then you're going to come in on
another day. So, if everyone wants to come in on another day, here 24 hours. I'll send an email out. We'll get we'll line it up. >> Okay. Well, you've got us all here right now, so you might as well do it because otherwise we'll kick it, you know, we'll kick it down the road. So, everyone, please get your calendars out. Let's get
a meeting set if we can for a workshop. >> And you want this before our next meeting, our next meeting. >> I didn't hear that. I said I think we should probably do this immediately. Probably like next week, next Wednesday.
>> I'm not going to be here. >> Correct. >> Okay. Will you be here on >> I will I will not be here. I'm not available 16th, 17th or 18th, the 19th. Um >> no one's available. >> The partnership is Well, no one's
available. >> No one's available the 19th and and the 20th. So >> So you would be looking at the 18th. So then let's go to the next week. Where are we on the 25th? Where's everyone on Wednesday the 25th? >> I don't know. I have I have something on
Wednesday the 25th, but I don't know. >> Okay. You have something on your calendar. Where are we on the 26? I know there's a T and I should have I should have announced that there is a T at the partnership um at 4:00.
So, >> yep, that's what I'm saying. So, if we could do it at 1:00, >> everybody good at 1:00 on Thursday the 26th. >> I mean, that's like in the future. >> Okay. So, let's go ahead and set that. If you'll get that notice for us,
please, Mr. Martin. >> 26. >> Yes. Yeah, >> it's going to be it's going to be a workshop. >> Um, unless you want to The only the only thing is if you wanted to make the corrections and approve them at that, then it would have to be a special
meeting. Otherwise, it would go on to the March meeting and we could have um approved the changes there. >> One o'clock. >> Okay. Then let's make it a special meeting. Okay.
Everyone's good with that. You got that? >> 1:00 26 workshop. >> The other portion of my ask is for everybody to is to allow me to set a date or you all set a date for the workshop with the public. So, I'm going to take this information, give it to
them and let them know they're going to have 30 days from that time to get everything back. Um, that's the biggest push because the further we go out, the busier the contractors are going to be and and these residents and business owners, they're dealing with the contractors, not us. And that's going to be tough on them. So, the earlier the
better, >> ma'am. >> Yes. >> Do we have >> No, just we don't have to. He can't. >> And that's what I was going to say. You said to date. Okay. >> You just want to make sure you've done it after this has been approved. You can get copies and everything done given the fact that you're limited on staff. >> Thank you.
>> Okay. Um, I'd really like to um, have we advertised for the new CRA position? Where are we on that? >> We have not advertised for that yet. We've got the LinkedIn account heading up here soon, so we'll be putting it on there and everywhere else as well. >> Okay. Um,
>> yes. If I remember correctly, the last time we talked about this, this was my understanding the city was going to update the job description for the CRA manager and share that with us so that
we could discuss whatever that position might need to be because right now it's a CRA, assistant city manager. I believe that's how the position that's how the position needs correct >> and and you it's again I'm going to stress my opinion you need an assistant
city manager >> this week we use an example >> I know you don't want one >> but that's but that's given so if you want to bring that to us at the March meeting >> that would we appreciate that >> okay or would you want it at the March
meeting >> unless you can bring it unless you'll be ready at the at the workshop I mean at the special meeting that we're going to You can bring it then on the 26. >> Okay. >> If you want to put it on the agenda, either one >> I will >> based on how what you can get done. >> Okay.
>> Could I just speak to that? Yes. >> I I think the sooner um we talk about this and the sooner advertised better. Um because my feeling is we're really short in that area. When Mr. Kennedy was our city manager.
He was also the CRA director and we had one CRA and he just was not able to devote enough time to it and then that was before we had the north and south CRA. So um it requires Yeah. And I
remember in his resignation letter he said that when he resigned then he could come back and consult because then he would be able to spend time on RC. quite but I think it was really just literally enough hours in the day. And the other thing um that I'm hoping to think about
um the needs of the CRA it's um we have a lot of vacancies. Uh we have potential residential on the second floor. Um we have a significant number of historic properties. So, we might want to think
about asking um looking for someone with some expertise in those areas. >> We have, you know, across the state, we've talked about this too, and that if you get someone as assistant city manager, it's usually someone who's wanting to move up within city government. And so, we might get some
real talent by doing that that way. That that's another benefit to it. So, we'll discuss all that if you're going to be ready for it. the annual CRA report. I want to move on to the annual CRA report. Commissioners, have you had a chance to review this?
Yes. And I my one comment is yes. Um again, it would be helpful. It's not dated. The city Mr. Martin said it was completed sometime in October 2025. Is that correct? >> This report? Yes.
>> This report was recently completed. >> It was recently through October of 25. >> Okay. Right. >> Okay. And it's been sent where it needs to go. >> Um, it's my understanding it has not. Correct. >> So, the only thing that's been sent up
is through James Moore that's been completed audited from 23. >> Right. This is the report that we put on our website and this has not been uploaded yet. I wanted to make sure that everybody had a chance to look at it. >> Um, >> so you've uploaded it on the website before we've looked at it. You said
>> I have not. Okay. >> I wanted to make sure that you all could look at it first. >> Okay. >> Okay. I do have a question about there's a map on page four >> that was done. It says it was prepared by Zeb Cullen. >> Um,
okay. It's a it's a better map than a lot of maps we've had. But if you look um the it says core CRA boundary I think that means central CRA. Um if you look
at the lake the south side of the central CRA um that borders Lake Crescent then right below that there's a red line. >> What is that part? Okay. That is added
to the south when they did the south expansion. That's okay. >> So, you're saying Sunrise Park was added to the south CR and they're not contiguous. Correct. >> Okay. I'm not sure why. >> I'm not sure that's the case. I'm not
sure. >> Yeah. This map was derived by the GIS by the county. Yeah. >> Yes, it is. And I think that was only to I mean obviously it doesn't have anything to taxation. It was so that we had the opportunity to spend funds on
Sunrise Park, >> right? And if you look back on the one prior to that in the central you can see that it's not included in the central >> in the central boundary. So, it was added when they when they established that and it's probably had to be added because my who who knows why they did
it, but because they wanted to include that into a CRA into the CRA and they were reestablishing a new one and not amending the central. I don't know >> that that they were >> possibly >> the I don't know they were all done at
about the same time. So, that >> central was done first. central was amended and then north and south were established. So anyway, okay, I get that. Anyway, that's where that's
where it is. I have some con I have some questions. Um I have some concerns when you go into the budget portion of this. >> Um I'm I'm not quite sure. Um it says regular salaries on the central.
It was we budgeted for a thousand and you've got in there 48,000 that we spent on salaries. >> And then in north you've got 559 budgeted but 24 only actually spent >> that far exceed salaries far exceed what
our CRA director made. So something something squirly there. So please if if you could let us know um what that is. Yeah, we'll take a look may >> if you'll look at that and just make sure that those are um IT hardware and
licenses also. Um and then I had a question um going into the south as well. So I I know they spread it out, but if you would look at those numbers and just make sure that they are correct. Um and that that
assistant city manager, keep in mind that the assistant city manager salary that portion of the assistant city manager part that comes out of general that comes out of your general fund, okay? And not the CRA. Got to be very careful about that. And then also when you go on the redevelopment project
status, it says Miller property redevelopment. says, "Reg completed the report fiscal year 2425." That's not on that property. This Miller property is this property here on the corner. >> So, we need to um delete that. >> Mayor, what page are you on? >> I'm on page seven.
>> Page seven. >> Okay. And what are you deleting? >> Well, if R completed report fiscal year 2425 on the Miller property redevelopment, it's not that's >> this is the old Miller property. We call it market square now, but that's what it
was referred to. And that's not what RH completed the report on. It was on the old, >> right? >> It was updated. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Does anybody have anything else on that? >> Oh, I said I didn't see No, but um I I
do have just a couple of comments. >> Okay. >> On what was reported. And um yeah, I have the same question you did about the salaries. Um what is concerning me?
I'm trying to find a page where it shows the um the increase. Okay. Sorry. Okay. Thank you. So, if you look on page 11 of the financial report for the central CRA,
um it shows taxable real property value um as certified in 1995 was $7.4 million and then the final taxable real property value um
>> in 2025 is $18.1 million. That's that's our oldest CRA. That is a 30-year span. And actually, if you convert um the 1995 taxable real property value to like you account for inflation,
um it would have been 15 million. So, some of that tiff increase is just the passage of time and inflation. And I think to be realistic, we need to take into account that we still have
tremendous vacancies there. And we really don't have any more businesses than we have pretty much. Um, we've kind of pulled even to where we were before CO. Um, and as well, it's a little bit concerning. Um
when you go back to what we our expenditures we have allocated for a couple of years funds for residential improvements in north south and central and particularly um we haven't really spent anything on buildings in north and
south. So my concern um when we do hire a CRA manager is that we get someone who really has expertise in these areas um who can help move this forward.
>> No. So I think as we go forward and we'll have that discussion when we're talking about that. Does anybody have any more comments on this? >> So um I have one more comment before we go any further. Um I I went ahead
because I am tired of and we pick everything down the road and we've allotted money for this. Um, and as we drive in and out of Crescent City,
we have no sign and we look sloppy. And if we don't take pride in ourselves, how do we expect our our residents to take pride in us and and their properties? And so I reached out to Dave's Tops and Trims. I've been traveling this the um because I've traveled the state, I've
looked at signs >> um how we could do this um a little more economically. Um and so this is just something that when we come back if you want to either um at our special meeting or on the March, we can agend it for the March. He gave us several versions. It's
very similar only much larger than the signs that we have at our parks right now. And we would do two black holes um holding them up with caps on those nice decorative caps. And these would be bordered in probably a black um a black
wood. So you would have a border around those. Those he can do each one of these individually. We need three of these for approximately $550 a piece plus the poles and the installation. So, just something for y'all to think
about and look at which one which >> material is. >> This is the same version. Actually, this is a much stronger version than what we have in our parks right now. Um, they've come out with a new material >> and he said it will stand up for quite a few years. He said it'll stand up for
quite a few years and should be fine. He would just recommend that if you do put a wood border around it um to trim it out that you know every year or every 18 months that you go in just kind of make sure that it's that it's been taken care of because that would leather.
>> Yeah. >> And of course and and wash it. Maybe we should wash signs every once in a while. >> Yeah. I mean that'd be nice. >> So um >> I just wonder >> I can get it for you. >> It's similar to the signs that we already have. So anyway, um I think we
need to do this. That's part of this is that we were supposed to do something that's in our it's in our um plan. Um and also um Mr. Martin the um please want to sign out here and give us a a recommendation if you would. I know
you're working on that. >> If you can bring it to the March meeting, we appreciate that. Everyone good with that? We definitely I mean all the small communities around us have really nice signs and we don't and >> so thank you for vis >> Yeah. So it's front and back so it would
be a front and back sign. >> Okay. Well then the curve won't be the same. >> Well he I know he's just trying to give you an example. >> Um the curve the opposite may not be defined. It says thank you for not match up.
He was just trying to give us some examples of the print so he knew that. So anyway, okay. Do we have anything else? Yes, Commissioner Devito. >> No, I was just saying I think um probably the March meeting would be best
for this because it's a it's our city science and the public doesn't tend to come to the special meetings. That might be do everybody. Good for that. >> Okay, we have nothing else for CRA. Is
that correct? >> Nothing else. >> Okay, with that, I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to close down our CRA meeting at 7:12 and I'm going to reopen our um regular scheduled meeting. And I think we can do a proclamation
now, right? We you ready? Okay, this is the fun part. This is the fun part of what we do, what we get to do. So, I'm going to ask um if you would if everyone would come to the podium, please. It's a late night. It's a school night.
So, I know that um you you stand right there. That'll be great. We have our coaches. We have everybody involved. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to read this if I can, everyone. And then we'll vote on it and um have a presentation and then we'd love to hear from from you.
>> Okay. >> Okay. So, this is the city of Crescent City, Florida, proclamation 20261. You're the first one for this year. >> All right. >> All right. honoring the Crescent City Raiders youth football team. And whereas the Crescent City Raiders
youth mids Florida football team represents the heart, the determination, and the resilience of the Crescent City community. And whereas during the most recent youth football season, a team of only 15 players from our small town
courageously competed against teams much larger and more resourced communities. And whereas the Raiders, they began the season facing challenges as a newly formed team, requiring time to build chemistry, trust, and unity. And whereas
as the season progressed, the team demonstrated remarkable growth and perseverance, competing closely with larger programs and losing several early contests by only a single touchdown, which strengthened their confidence and
belief in one another. And whereas under the leadership and dedication of coaches Tracy Johnson and Jason Scott, key defensive adjustments were made resulting in a dominant 480 victory that marked a turning point in the season and
prepare prepared the Raiders for a successful playoff run. And whereas the Raiders defeated the Pearson Wildcats. always been a >> wild one of their most storyried violence in
the first round of the playoffs showcasing a dominant defense and a high-powered offense led by James Scott, Tracy Johnson, and Kobe Kennedy, who collectively helped the team average more than 35 points per game. And
whereas the Raiders continued their playoff success with a victory over Malbury, earning a place in the Super Bowl showdown game against Winter Haven. And whereas despite a courageous effort in the championship game, the Raiders
faced adversity when standout player Kobe Kennedy suffered a broken wrist in the third quarter, an injury that ultimately impacted the outcome of the game. And whereas throughout the season though the players consistently demonstrated character, teamwork,
perseverance, and respect, rallying around their coaches through both victories and challenges. And whereas coaches James Scott and Andre Martin founded the Cresant City Youth Football Program 10 years ago with the goal of
providing youth in our community the opportunity to develop confidence, discipline, teamwork, and leadership through athletics. And the success of this program is made possible through the unwavering commitment of coaches, parents, and
volunteers who generously contribute their time, energy, and personal financial resources. And whereas the Crescent City Raiders youth football team stands as a testament to the belief that the youth of Crescent City possesses talent equal
to that found in larger communities when given support, encouragement, and opportunity. And whereas although the Raiders did not prevail in the Super Bowl, their accomplishments, growth, and determination during the season are worthy of recognition and celebration as
they enter the next season. They are so hungry for success and supported by a proud community. Now therefore, I, Michelle Meyers, mayor of the city of Crescent City, together with the members of the city commission, my fellow members, hereby recognize and
congratulate the Crescent City Raiders youth football team along with their coaches and parents for a season well done and for their positive impact on their peers, our youth, and the community of Crescent City. Further, the city commission of the city of Cresant
City encourages continued community support to ensure this program grows, flourishes, and continues shaping confident, respectful, and successful young leaders for years to come. A job well done.
Second. We have a proper motion by Commissioner Lori and a second by Commissioner Devito. All in favor, please say I. >> I. >> With that, you would you like to think a little bit? >> Um, we just want to say thank you.
>> This is James. Yes, ma'am. >> Um, we just want to say thank you. Um first Myers um for you know helping us with the lights you know giving us a place to practice. Um and we just you
know thank the community every time we went out play games. You know we represented Crescent City with dignity and respect. Um we didn't get cover um but our young man really practiced hard. Our parents came out. Um, we travel a little over 1,800 miles this
season going to Mall Bear Sarasota. That stuff's not cheap. You know what I mean? Um, but we just want to thank you guys for all you guys help with us. Um, for the the officers who come out and, you know, kind of keep things under control while we're practicing, keep the
noise down and everything. So, we appreciate them, uh, the officers for that. Um, and we just ask that the community, you know, it takes a lot, it takes a lot of time away from the coaches who don't get paid. You know, we live out of town because we drive all the way over. You know, I love this is
my home. This is my school. This is my This is my town, right? So, we just ask that, you know, you guys see us out there trying to raise money, just kind of help us out a little bit because all this stuff is very costly. But we do
thank you and we really appreciate you guys. >> Thank you for your time. >> And Coach James, I can't take credit for that. Thank you though. But I can't. But it was this commission that saw the need to put lights out there. And so this commission did that and we are so glad
that all of you are benefiting from from that. I know you fought hard for it and um and we are we are grateful. We are grateful for that. And so do you want to introduce yourself? Would you introduce I mean the players? >> Yes.
>> Well, this is our team mom. >> Oh, the team mom. She's the one that actually keeps things going. We all know any played that have been an athlete athletics. You know that this a team mom. So, you want to say your name? Tell them your name is microphone. There you
go. >> This is Abby. He's going to ate you. Okay. >> My name is James Scott and I play the quarterback. >> You're the quarterback. Okay. >> So, he was um responsible for 24 touchdowns this year.
>> Um quarterback defense. Um and the machine behind it all. >> I can tell he's a machine. >> Jason. >> Okay. might attack. >> So that's great. You want to show us your trophies? >> Great trophies.
>> So this one is the the runner up for the Super Bowl, the Mid Florida Super Bowl runner up. And this one is for for winning regions, North Florida North Conference Champions, the Mid Florida. So that that
com that conference uh that region covers um blue flaggler Sarasota counties and some of P County too. Wow. >> Congratulations.
>> Yeah, we're going to take a picture. And gentlemen, I want to say to you too and and commissioners, if y'all want to have anything you'd like to say, you are the leaders with your peers. Okay? Just always remember that that what you've done is you stepped up and you did this
and be very proud of it and you are leaders and all of your peers are looking up to you and so thank you for being such a fine example and you're learning teamwork and we all here know what teamwork is and it's so important to learn that at an early age and
coaches thank you for the dedication that you do the the just everything you put into this we know and we appreciate and we see what you're doing for Ru >> Commissioners. You have anything you'd like to say? >> Let's get our trophies.
>> You want to hold that? That's your proclamation. And then I've got copies for everybody. So, if you would make sure that every all the team members get that, get a copy of it. Yes, indeed. >> Let's get here with the commissions. There you go.
>> Now, here we're gonna have to move. Yeah, we'll have to >> um maybe Grayson could come over this way. I'll step in here if I can here. >> She likes to be the center of attention.
>> I'll get here. Commissioner Moore, you want to get in here? Can you see Commissioner Lloyd? >> Okay, everybody, you gonna smile or are you gonna you gonna put on your football? >> Your ring. >> You guys want ring? >> Oh, wow. I see that.
>> All right, y'all ready? >> One, two, three. I got a couple of them. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Good job, guys. >> Thank you. I know season's kicking off >> coming up real soon here.
Yes, >> ma'am. >> Thank you for coming tonight. Yes, this time for a short break. Um, if everyone is you ready for a short break, we can take a break. Okay, let's take five minute
our meeting at approximately 7:31. >> Okay, we're going to go to um our public hearings. We're going to open up our public hearings. Resolution 20264. Do you want to speak to that? Oh, wait a second. >> Hammer check.
>> Okay. So, for the record, we open this meeting back up at 7:31. Um, we're going opening up our public hearings. Resolution 20264. Okay. Who's you were done?
>> Uh, 20 20264. This the you go to your briefing sheet. I apologize. Um, this is a to establish a consent agenda policy for the city of commission or city of commission. >> Would you like me to read it? Sure. >> Thank you. if you don't mind. Sorry, it's me. Thank you.
>> So, resolution reading by title only. Correct. >> Yes. >> Resolution 20264, a resolution of the city commission of the city of Crescent City, Florida, establishing a consent agenda policy for city commission meetings, providing for purpose and
procedures, providing for compliance with Florida law, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. >> Okay. Thank you. Commissioners, you have the resolution in front of you. Um, do we have any discussion on this? Do we have a motion to approve?
>> I move that we approve resolution 202604. >> Okay. Do we have a second? >> Sorry. Okay. So, Commissioner Lori approved made a motion to approve. Commissioner Burton seconded the motion on resolution 20264. Do we have any
discussion? >> Um, yes, ma'am. If I could. >> Sure. I just wanted to mention it's my understanding um that we we have uh already a provision we adopted a resolution on our um commission
procedures and that does provide um for a consent agenda but um I asked the city manager about it and he said that um our city attorney said it wouldn't be a bad idea to adopt it again.
I mean to for this commission to adopt them. Anyway, we we have we have provision for a consent agenda. This one is a little more detailed. >> And what we accepted before was an ordinance. We passed an ordinance that
had the it's codifying our code ordinances, >> right? But it was a resolution. >> It it was I believe it was a resolution because it's listed that way. I was very surprised it's listed in uni code. It says risk. That's what it says. It says resolution. But anyway, this one is
more. >> We were discussing that with you, Derek. But >> so so you you got more than one that covers the same subject. >> Um we we have in our commission procedures. >> You just adopted that we could do a consent that we could do the consent.
>> Oh, but you didn't have guidelines for it. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> So this sets up guidelines. This establishes the guidelines. Correct. Um and then mayor if I could just a comment. Um the briefing sheet said
meetings are taking too long. Um I don't think it's the absence of a consent agenda. The basis for having a consent agenda is that you have um sufficient documentation, sufficient explanation.
Complete preparation is essential for a consent agenda item. And um there are some other that is very very important. Um and I think that complete presentations
um and having things in advance um will also help move meetings along. So that's thank you. Um does anybody have um as you look through this it has in here does anybody have any changes
recommendations on the resolution? >> Um well my question was it stamped draft? So was >> mine's not Oh yeah it is. I'm sorry. I apologize. It is >> mine mine's stamped draft. Um I guess you know to me I'm not sure what I don't
know things are always open to interpretations to describe some things as routine. Um I don't know I guess >> we can make but as a draft it's a draft for us to approve
>> so make changes to it. Um >> I will I don't have any real questions about the resolution itself. Pam >> city technology. >> Yes.
>> Play music because it was shutting off. >> No one. >> We wanted one. I mean, we have We're supposed to have our recording, correct? Yes. >> Is it recording? >> We tired it out. Um, I have a question
on this, Don, that it says that we of course can pull anything um that any any commissioner can pull from the consent agenda if there's going to be discussion or if there's questions. Um, it also says that the general public can pull from the consent agenda in this
resolution. >> Yeah, I don't think that should be >> I don't think that's allowed. Normally consent agenda anybody on the commission can pull but the public can't. Yes. It says several times that um that a commission or a member of the public to
remove an item for individual consideration. >> No, I think it's in my opinion it should be the commission can remove an item. >> Okay. Now, we had a discussion today and I voiced my opinion that in my opinion, even on the consent agenda, consent
agenda items that the public should be invited to speak to any item that they wish to speak to. And um then if that conversation leads the commissioner to believe that maybe that item should be
pulled for more in-depth discussion, then great. But, uh, you know, the commissioner then does so. But, um, but as far as the the public pulling an item from the consent agenda, I've never seen that done to be honest with you. And I would not recommend it.
>> Okay. I I didn't just I didn't think so. And so, just for the record, um, Mr. Holmes and I had a discussion today because I had some concern because items requiring a public hearing um, shall not be placed on the consent agenda. and usually a resolution while a public
hearing we put them under a public hearing and by statute they um should be noticed and the um public should be able to speak to them. So that's why I had a question about that. Um >> so what is a public hearing though? I
mean the public hearing is an opportunity for the public to speak and from my perspective now statutoily zoning matters comp plan amendments zoning changes those obviously require a standalone public hearing but in my
opinion a resolution so long as the public and I think the public should be allowed to speak to anything on the consent agenda otherwise you're basically taking that out of the the you know the public's ability to offer comment and I and I don't I don't I don't that's appropriate. But um but a
resolution in my opinion that's not related to a statute or is not required by statute a matter that's not required by statute to have a standalone public hearing I think be covered by a resolution. >> Okay. >> Um so you know
>> with the understanding by the consent agenda >> with the consent agenda that if a resolution is on there or if anything's on there I should ask for public comment. Yes ma'am. I believe you should. Do we need to include that in here? >> Um,
I mean, mayor may Yes. If if by law we have to provide for it, do we have to say that? I mean, if you're trying to establish, from my perspective, you know, it's it's just a given, but if you were looking
for a written set of guidelines, I guess you could amend to, you know, to right now, you've got the public being able to pull items from the from the consent agenda. >> Paragraph two and three both speak to that. And um
there I believe there's another area that speaks to that as well. the statute when you read Florida statute 166 it really focuses more on ordinances it doesn't say necessarily that you have to you know the way an
ordinance has to but it does put that in that category um so we could put it on the consent agenda as long as we allow the public to speak to it >> I don't I'm not I'm not referencing or recommending that ordinances be adopted
by they're not listed they cannot So, but yeah. Uh, so if you wanted to put in here, um, so, um, looking at at a headnote that might where a you're looking to put a
directive in there that public comment public should be allowed to comment. Um approval, I guess. Um you could put a at at se at se section six, you can put a sentence
there in that states that prior to prior to calling for uh approval of the consent agenda, the public shall be allowed to comment on any item on the consent agenda. >> Okay, that's pretty simple. >> Yeah. And and and we also need to on
section five take that. Yeah. >> Or any member of the public may request that it be removed. Correct. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I would strike any member of the public from that. >> Okay. >> All right.
>> Okay. Commissioner, do you see anything else with this? Any any other comments? Okay. Please make sure that Commissioner Dvito. >> No, I don't. >> Okay. Um, please make sure that you um in your motion that you include these
changes. So, I'll entertain a motion, please. >> Oh, we already have a motion. We have a motion in a second. We already have a motion in a second. Um, I'm going to open it up for public comment if we can. Anybody would like to speak to this, please come forward. State your name and
your address if you will. Okay, seeing no one come forward, I'm going to close public comment. Miss Taylor, if you would please do a roll call for us. Do we need an amendment? >> Oh, we do because you're right. You're right.
>> Withdraw my motion. >> Yes. >> Okay. I withdraw my motion. Yeah. Um, I move that we approve resolution 202604 with the change that strikes member of the public from the three places it's
mentioned and adds the the line that we were discussing about asking for public comment um before the prior to the approval >> prior to calling for approval >> prior for call approval. It's an agenda. >> And where are we putting that? and
section six >> in the in the beginning. >> Okay. >> Is there a second? >> Yeah, >> I can correct. I think I second. >> Okay. So, we have a proper motion um by Commissioner Lori and a second by
Commissioner Burton. >> Commissioner Cynthia Burton. I >> Commissioner Linda Moore. I >> Commissioner William I. Commissioner Lisa Kito >> I Mayor Myers >> I Okay.
>> So that resolution that resolution has been um adopted and so with that that's going to lead us into I'm going to close out our public hearing and we're going to go to our consent agenda. Commissioners, you have on the consent edition um agenda resolution number 202602,
a resolution adopting the Florida Regional Common EMS protocols and the Putnham County Fire Incident response manual. You have resolution number 20263, a resolution approving and adopting the updated policies of the Cresant City Fire Department. You have city city
attorney review policies. These are the policy on our agreements and harassment. And we have engineers recommendation of award and certified bid. That's on the north tower water mane improvement. If you'll remember, we got um legislation legislative appropriations for and then
the engineers recommendation of award and certified bid on the CBDG CDBG Main Street water main replacement and lift station generator. Those are the items on the consent agenda. Commissioners, do you have um anything that you would like removed from this?
>> Um yes, mayor. I have I would like to remove the last two items, the um awards of the CDBG contracts. And I I do that because they're very significant contracts. I
don't think they're necessarily that routine. Um and we haven't done this in a while. And I have um so I'd like to remove the last two bullets about the contracts and I have two quick questions
about um the resolutions O2 and 03. I don't necessarily want to remove them from the consent agenda. >> Can I ask why you remove those? Um those have already been approved, haven't they? >> No, >> they haven't. We're approving those
tonight. We're approving this tonight, >> right? Well, I went through there and they seem perfectly fine. So, >> but that's her that's her as a consent agenda, right? As a commissioner, that's her prerogative. She wants to pull those. I would like to pull the city
attorney review policies on agreements and harassment. Um, so I do want to pull that. There's some corrections there. I think >> yes, >> there's two resolutions. And I have question two quick questions
about the resolution. I don't have a problem with it being on the consent agenda, but I do have two questions. >> Well, I think the whole point of the consent agenda is that we not that there's no discussion to discuss the consent agenda approval.
>> Well, a member of the public can comment and I don't think it's out of order. it's faster for me to ask my quick question than it is to do anything else. So, um the the top two resolutions on the consent agenda, the one adopting the
Florida regional common EMS protocols and then the one approving and updating adopting the updated policies of the Crescent City Fire Department. My questions for the city manager. Um, first of all, are these mandatory? And second of all, will they create any
significant costs for us? >> Mandatory, yes. Cost, no. >> That's all I wanted to know. >> Thank you. >> Um, and then, mayor, I do have a question about procedure. Um, are we for things on the consent agenda, are we
going to have to city manager describe them, commander, and say what they are? I I I went through them and I explained them. I mean, I I gave the title of each one, okay? >> And it's our responsibility on a consent agenda to make sure that we have that
we're aware of it and we briefed and that we're familiar with that item prior to coming to the meeting. And so if you have any questions of the city manager, that's when we should probably is in your briefing. Um >> Okay. So my >> the whole point is to move this move
things a little faster. >> I understand. And so as we begin this process, my question is to have for the members of the public, should we have the city manager briefly say what they are or
>> the the public has access to the to the file? All the briefing files were in the packet agenda and the public has access to that packet agenda. >> And typically when you go to a meeting and they have the consent agenda, they don't they don't go through that. It's just they vote for the consent agenda
and they don't they don't describe it. They don't explain it. So with that, if that's all, then I'm going to go ahead and open it up for public comment at this time on resolution number 202602 and resolution number 202603. Those are the two items that are on our
consent agenda. Does anybody have any public comment at this time on those two resolutions? >> Seeing no one come forward. >> Commissioners, I need a motion, please. move that we approve the remaining consent agenda items. >> Okay. Do I have a second?
>> Second. >> Okay. We have a proper motion um by Commissioner Lori to accept the consent agenda items. And we have a second by Commissioner Moore. Miss Taylor, if you would please do a roll call.
>> Commissioner Breen. >> I. Commissioner War. >> I. >> Commissioner Lauri. >> Commissioner Dejito. Hi, >> Mayor Myers. >> Hi. >> Okay. Um, we've got I I don't have it on my
agenda that I have in front of me, but I know the resolution for the fire. Um, I want to make sure that we have that. I don't have that on my res on mine. >> Okay. You're talking about the resolution 202605.
It should be printed and we don't have a copy of it. >> Maybe. Okay. Mayor, you're talking about the emergency resolution. There you go. >> I do not have a copy of it. >> Does everybody else have a copy? >> So, at this time, let's go ahead and I'd
like to do resolution number 20265. >> I'll read it. >> Yes, sir. Say Derek's voice. City of Crescent City, Florida. Resolution number 22605. A resolution of the city commissioner of the city of Crescent City, Florida, establishing a standing policy for the implementation of burn
bands during periods of high heightened fire danger, declaring an emergency, and providing for an effective date. >> Okay. Thank you, Commissioner. I'll entertain motion that I move that we approve, sorry, resolution placement time five.
so far. Sorry. >> Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> Okay. So, we have a proper motion by Commissioner Lori for 20265 and a second by Commissioner. Do we have any discussion?
>> Mayor, I have a question about this. >> Okay. >> So, I mean, I think this is good thing we need it. Um the scope of the burn ban, it lists four items. Um I was not provided a copy of this before I got
until I got here this evening and I don't remember does the county's burn ban have um a longer list of items prohibited in the scope. I know when they put their poster out um they warn
about discarding cigarettes, starting use of cars with catalytic converters. Um do we need to do we need to include potentially more items um like the ones that um we see in the county notices?
Believe you mirrored this, didn't you? Mirror. >> It doesn't mirror the county. >> It doesn't mirror the county. Go ahead, John. >> Yeah, I I thought I sit counties down with some suggestion that but this one
doesn't. And here's the problem. Um I don't know that you have the authority to declare an emergency as it's outlined in this. Um the county basically uh under the
statute you have the ability to under your police power to take certain actions which include the burn ban. I was I thought you were going to piggyback off what the county had done in declaring
their emergency. Um, and you did go with the enforcement section that I had had sent down, >> which is appropriate, but there's a specific public notification requirement
in the statute for you to implement something like this, which includes it has to be has to be a recording in the clerk's office. copy has to be provided to the state division of emergency management along with a link to your
website where this particular not notice or ban is found and normally there's a time limit on them. So my question is on this who declares the who declares the burn
ban in place. What this states is that it may be enacted upon the occurrence of any one of the following conditions and it talks about the key fire and ground index of service red flag warning. Local fire department report increase report increased fire activity. Other emergency
conditions exist in the judgment of city officials warrant such action. So, who actually says we got a burn ban in place? Our fire chief based on the county. >> I don't believe that's the way it works. >> Okay. Who asked us to do this? Who? Who
asked us? >> Chief Razer. >> Chief Razer asked us to do this. >> The county didn't ask us to do this. >> Well, county called this as well cuz Chief Razer had us put out another ad extending the ban and the county just, I guess, recently voted on extending their
ban. Theirs was through the 7th and my understanding they extended their ban. Correct. And it's countywide. >> Correct. >> Okay. So, um, yes, >> it's uninorporated areas of the county. >> Okay. So, it's not countywide. >> And their declaration was made by the
chairman of their county commission. >> Okay. >> And so, nothing in theirs has delegates authority to the fire chief to to to implement a burn ban punishable by 60 days in jail or $500 fine. So,
you had a copy of theirs, didn't you? I said a copy of their ordinance, right? >> I don't believe this one come from >> that one put together. >> You put together. >> Okay. Mayor, could I just say
um and our former chief is here and he can probably confirm what I'm about to say. It is my understanding and I I looked at our um I looked at our Crescent City code today.
What it's my understanding that to burn yard trash in Crescent City that you can't do um burn piles for yard trash anyway without a permit from our fire chief. And if I recall correctly, in the past when it was bad conditions, the
fire chief would simply quit issuing permits. Is that not right? >> So we have a protection in the city to that extent. >> Right. And for example, um if you see anyone burning in their front yard or
backyard or whatever, um it's my understanding you can call um the sheriff's dispatch or the city manager to speak to them or whatever. the parts that aren't covered are these other things which can also start fires um
like campfires or bonfires um but what whatever it is I mean we've our or our existing ordinance prohibits burning except under certain circumstances but for example fireworks or other incendiary devices our our ordinance
doesn't speak to that and that's where the burn ban would be helpful in Crescent City so that you wouldn't have people doing these other activities. And so my question for the city attorney is how can you do this on expedited basis?
>> Well, you can because chapter 166 and I I had sent it all of this by email and he's right. What I said was the resolution which the town adopts can basically track the resolution adopted by the county substituting the phrase city commission for board of county
commission. In addition, I'm not certain at this time about the using the penalty language in the county because they made it a misdemeanor, but then I got back to him on that. So, what I had told him on this was pursuant to 166.0413B that which is, you know, Florida statute, the town can adopt an emergency
resolution without the advertisements notice normally required if it adopts by a twoth3 majority. The resolution must be available on a dedicated web page accessible through a conspicuous link on the town's homepage. The web page must identify the emergency resolution currently in effect. The town must then
provide the state division of emergency management with a link to the town's dedicated web page at which the resolution is found so that department of emergency management can work with it. But uh again I think that having well this
in my opinion is overly broad so that you can just if you the fire chief can just declare a burn ban and basically make something unlawful. I think that's a problem if you're doing it as an emergency item especially. >> Okay. Okay. Matter of fact, may I ask a
question? So, but um can we adopt the county's um emergency burn ban for ourselves tracking theirs? >> Yeah, sure.
>> Okay. So, if we were able to download that and print it tonight, could we take it up at the end of the meeting? >> Uh, yes, ma'am. Let me see. I'm looking right now. Um, I've got a copy from Tennessee.
>> Okay. Yeah. I knew the county was reaching out to all the municipalities and saying, "Here's our resolution. We need you guys to adopt it." but it had language in it that didn't automatically transfer over to the cities and we modified it for interlocking Pomona Park
and I thought Crescent City with regard to the penalty sections and but we substituted and um that's what I thought was being adopted but yeah I sent it to um let me see yeah turn of seed send it to you so you
Mr. to see. So, yes, you've got that then somewhere back there. >> Yes, sir. >> You can give me a copy of it real quick or something. I'll try to hand modify it. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, when is their ban when how long did they put their banan
through? >> They did it for they're going to renew it in 7-day increments. >> Okay. >> And, um, which is what's recommended. They do not go extensive >> much like we do when we do a hurricane and we mirror off of the county for our hurricanes, >> right? when they when they declare a
state of a county of emergency and we declare city of emergency >> right because there specific there is no state declared emergency right now >> right >> there is no declaration of emergency in the state of Florida right now division of emergency management hadn't done it governor's office hadn't done it
>> so the county did it essentially and we're basically piggybacking off of them and so in the see if I can find the one my computer I find the one did for Pomona Park because we basically tied it to the county's continuation of their declaration of
emergency. If they stop and they terminate it theirs and said we don't have an emergency anymore, then >> Okay. Um, commissioners, I'm going to ask that we um move this to the end of the agenda. Can I get one of the commissioners that would like to make a
motion to do that? I move this to the end of the >> second. Did you commission? So, >> okay. So, we have a proper motion >> number 202605. >> Okay. So, all in favor please say I. I
n. Okay. >> I think it's very important because the drought is not expected to improve. >> Right. Okay. So, let's go on. Um, we've got people waiting. So, um, in the essence of time, we've got, um, city attorney review policies that are in
front of us. Um, I'm going to say right now, if we can, I would recommend we also move that to business items. Um, after we at the end of business items and, um, engineers recommendation, let's go ahead and get that out of the way.
Mr. Harris is here and you've got some questions. Is that correct, Commissioner Deita? >> Um, just very short questions and mainly these are for significant amounts for significant projects. I mainly just want
to hear them read individually and we vote and then quick questions. >> Well, there's really not anything to read on those other than >> Right. Well, to say what they are. There's the briefing. Usually, the city manager says what the item is that we're voting.
>> Okay. Well, the city manager does not feel well tonight. So, I'll go ahead and tell you what this is if that's okay. >> Sure. >> So, um this first one is going to be uh the first one we have. This is on the North Tower Water main improvement
project. This is where we got legislative appropriations for approximately $700,000. And this is um the bid came in. The bid came in on December 4th, 2025. There
were nine bids that were received. Um Jason Shepler and his group. Uh they are the ones that went through this and made the recommendation through their review, their bid review committee. Correct. >> Yes. Correct.
>> Is that correct? Um, and they are saying that as of those bids that CPH is saying that Badger Drilling LLC out of Jacksonville, they came in um and feel like they are the ones that we should
award the bid to for 77,581.70. >> Okay. Do you have any questions? >> Um, or should I make a motion first? >> If if you'd like to. >> Um, yes. I move that we approve what is that? Um the engineers recommendation of
award for the North Tower water main improvements um to contractor Badger Drilling LLC of Jacksonville. >> Do I have a second? >> Second. >> We have a proper motion by Commissioner Devito and we have a second by Commissioner Lori. Do we have any
discussion? Um, I have a question on this and my question is and the city manager knows is the north tower water main improvements does that involve work involving the streets or will that one
affect trees >> Mr. Harris if you would please speak to that. What was the question? >> For the north tower, the north water tower project, north tower water
improvements, is that one that affects streets and potentially trees? >> There's not really a lot of trees on Walnut and most of it's going to be directional bore, >> right? But then it was my understanding that for um the main street project that
the um addendum we've already approved went out with the bid the tree protection addendum. The city manager assured me that happened. Did that happen also with the north water tower main improvements? >> Those were
>> Yeah. I mean >> um >> this is just normal practice goes out with all of the projects. Now what we worked on before is now being added to the package big pad bids packages for all the the projects. >> Okay. >> And and the engineer even went out of
the way to change the design in some areas in order to >> protect and protect the >> Okay. That was my question on that one. Thank you. >> My question, where's the other 7,000
neighbors coming from? >> It's my understanding that because we have a private individual that's going to be impacted with this um who is making an expansion that he is paying um a portion. Is that correct? >> That is that Yes.
>> So that will make up for that um that amount. So >> true. >> Yep. >> This will benefit his project as well. So he has been willing to step up and do that. >> Um okay. So we have a proper motion and
a second if you would please do a roll call. >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Moore. >> I. >> Commissioner Lori. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Devita. >> Hi. >> Mayers. >> I. Okay. So approved. Let's move on to
the next one. This is an engineer's recommendation of award briefing. Um this is on our CBD our CDBG main street water main replacement and lift station generator project. Um this is from the CD
CDBG grant that we have. They this bid came in December 4th, 2025. That was the deadline date. There were six bids that were received and they are recommending the um the bid committee is recommending that again
Badger Drilling LLC that they receive this bid as well um and $587,589.50. Now, if our CBBG um does not come in to that amount, it's my understanding from staff is that they
will um go as far as they can with the CBDG and then that it will stop at that point. So, we will not exceed what is um the grant fund that will be presented to us. Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. Commissioner Devito, you had a question about this. >> Um should I make a motion first?
>> You make a motion. Yes, please do. So I move that we approve the engineers recommendation of award for the CBG23 and RR Main Street watering replacement and road station generator um to Badger
Drilling LLC in the total award amount of 587 58950 um and that funds will only be expended to the extent available with CVG. G grant. Is that correct?
>> I have a second. >> Okay. We have a proper motion by Commissioner Devito to accept the bid um from Badger Drilling and award the bid to Badger Drilling. And then we have a second by Commissioner Lorie. Do we have any discussion? Commissioner Dvita.
>> Right. And I think just to confirm the city manager has said that the tree protection contact contract addendum did go out with these bid documents. Correct. >> Okay. That was the only question I had. >> So, in fact, you probably could have
gone under the consent agenda. So, Commissioner Lori, do you have anything that you have? Okay. >> Nobody has anything. Commissioner Taylor, I mean, Commissioner Taylor, you know, >> would you like to please do a roll call
for us? >> Mr. Burton. >> Hi, >> Mr. Moore. >> Hi, >> Mr. Lord. >> Hi, >> Mr. Devito. I may I Okay. So, awarded the badger bill now. >> Yes.
>> Um she does the um roll call votes. Usually we change orders, we change directions. So, usually do it this way and then the next time we need to do it the other way if you've done that in the past. We don't really
have a rule on that, but >> Commissioner, >> right? I think um Commissioner Lori is correct. And I think um the clerks are directed and taught in their training to not necessarily go one direction or the
other, but not to go in the same order all the time so that we can't predict who's going to vote before us and listen out for them. >> So, we don't have a rule, but I think >> Thank you. And right now in absence of a clerk um we are going to show some
grace. So >> Taylor, thank you. And Commissioner Lori, thank you for for making that notation. I should have done that myself. So thank you. >> Um okay, >> with that, um I've asked and commissioners for the city attorney
review policies, the grievance and harassment. I think that that needs to have some some additional discussion. there was um some issues in there as far as uh a committee that was being established and it said that the vice mayor can call a meeting and based on our charter the vice mayor cannot call a
meeting. Um so there's some things in that we can either you can either table it for now and bring it back at the next meeting. Um >> I move that we table the prements. >> Do you have a suggestion for how you would replace that? How would you
replace that sentence with vice mayor? rules you put in that space, city manager, the city attorney. >> Well, it's against the city if it's a and so this only comes into play this only comes into play when it's a complaint against the city manager. Our
current policy, everything stops at the city manager. So, if someone had a complaint against the city manager, there's no resolve that they have. >> Um, and they can't come to us. We don't have a policy in place. puts a policy in place that would only occur for the vice mayor if it's a complaint against
against the mayor against the mayor. >> So that would be something the city manager um he has the authority he can he can I believe um he can call the meeting but not the vice mayor unless the vice mayor can get two other
commissioners and the problem we've had in the past is that could indicate a violation of sunshine. So, and in addition, I believe that the attorney is city attorney and any of these meetings that take place that the ascend city attorney needs to be sitting in on those
because none of us are skilled and versed in HR for our protection. >> If those would be um changes to be made there, can we still move to to make those changes and pass it instead of moving it to another meeting? >> That's that's the commissions. Yes,
Commissioner Devita. Um given that we have people waiting here for important business and that um this is a little complex, I would move that at a minimum we defer this to to the end of the
meeting and go over it then because we don't have a motion. >> If we have time at the end of the meeting, would we would you like to amend your motion? I'm not part I don't see how much time we have.
>> Can I get a motion, please? >> I I move that we move this to the end of the agenda if we have time. >> Okay, I'll second. Okay, proper motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. >> I welcome. Thank you. Okay, we're going to move on now to our business items. We
have um Mitch Atl first up, you please come forward. >> Good evening, commissioners and mayor. How are y'all this evening? >> We're good. How are you? >> I'm Mitch Atwell, Crazy City. I'm doing
the boat race coming up in April. Looking forward to it. Getting a lot of feedback from all my racers from across the country. Actually, um I'm having one little setback. Um, some of my racers that are going to drive for
15 hours and further um are concerned with the conditions that we know can happen on Crescent Lake and we would like to know if they can have an addendum to our contract we have that if weather is incremented that we can actually put it
on Stella for that weekend. It would be a Friday if the weather saints look not ready to race. These people spend thousands of dollars to come to our city won't waste their time and we can at least throw an event.
>> That's all I'm asking. >> Mike is what what who makes the determination to increment >> the weather. Basically, I mean, you just see what the lake looks like. We go Friday afternoon, >> right? >> Okay. just windy blowing all of a sudden
the weather says oh we expecting 15 mph winds also tomorrow you know that's good sign that we're not we'll be able to race >> okay mayor I have kind of a point of order about this >> yes >> um
we have um an ordinance on this section 24 in our code um the this is really an amendment to his permit >> that's what he's asking for that the way our ordinance works, permits are
supposed to be in writing to the city manager or and I'm not clear on this. Is the city manager also our special events ordinance? >> Yes, he is. Yeah, we know that. Yeah, it's part of that ordinance. When you read that ordinance, it says that >> uh well, it says who he designated. So,
I'm assuming he's designated himself. Look, um I I think there's a couple problems with this. For us to just come in and say, "Sure, you can go over there." Because for anyone to have a permit is supposed to have an
application with a site plan and provisions for parking. I mean, this is really um I just don't think and we're not supposed to just wave a wand. the city manager is supposed to just be first and
or the special events coordinator which is the same person. So I think um we would be doing things that we are not really authorized to do that this has to go to the city manager. >> I make a suggestion but I think you
chief commissioner is right. There is kind of a procedure that we have to go through. Um the the race doesn't start until April 11th. Uh would it be possible for you to uh get a plan together pretty quick on Lake Stella
>> actually >> and then bring that for to our next meeting? never be profitable. The only problem there is when we come if unless we can have a special meeting um people have to make plans to come to this we have to wait till that long most
say well it's too late I'm just going to wait >> you know or I'm not even going to come >> um you know I I have no problem I mean we can make a vote I can come up with this here um it's nothing going to be dramatic
there are some significant differences between doing this at the >> Yes. >> Yeah. Sunrise versus Okay. I mean, you basically are very, you know, you've got three or two places to put boats in, take boats out. Here we've got one place
to put boats in. I'm not I'm not sure how those are the things that I think that you would kind of have to answer. Um, >> this is my and I'll take I'll take responsibility for this. Um, this came up on Monday, Mr. Atwell. uh reached out
to me and and thought that I could make that decision. I said, I can absolutely not make that decision and I put him in touch with the city manager. As we all know, the city manager has been out this week and has been limited. So, I know that they were talking. Um but Mr.
Atwell did say that he's got a lot of pressure that's being placed on him that they have some sort of an alternate plan. Um they are fearful of that. Well, they won't come and >> so if we add this on to, you know, it's
another suggestion if we add it on to the 26 workshop and can we can we can we do that? Is the commission okay with that? And would that give you enough time? >> Oh, I mean the time would be no problem. I mean, we already know what we would
require, what we would need. Um, it's something that has been done in the past and I've worked with in the past. So it's basically just taking a plug from then and plug it in. Now >> you talking about the March 26th? No, >> February. Oh, meet February. February.
February. >> Yeah, we have a special meeting February. >> Um, that's a daytime meeting. I think we should wait until our March regular meetings. That is generally when we approve permits like this. that this
this was a previously approved permit and this is a modification to it and with all soda with the people coming from thousands of miles away. He's trying to make sure that he has the biggest event for Crescent City if we don't give a decision soon. We could
lose 50% of those racers, meaning we could lose 50% revenue of that day for this. >> Oh, it is possible that they could actually say, "Look, Chip's not coming. He's not coming. you know somewhere else
so the 26th of um February suffice for you to bring these plans so how you going to do it down there yeah would that would that work >> that would be no problem I mean I mean I could have a week >> yeah I know but we can't have a meeting
exactly >> yeah I mean I I prefer to do it over Christmas is I asked for Chris. Oh, yeah. >> I mean, you know, yeah, there will be some drawbacks over here and but it's just hard to get my guys to say, "Hey, look,
>> you know, I'm driving this far. I'm spending this much money. You know, I would rather wait another two weeks and go to Alabama where it's a closed race. >> Um, I do I do not agree with having this at a special daytime meeting. We're
talking about having this race in a residential area, completely different area. Um, I just I don't think it's appropriate resil, you know, show us what he's got in mind. I mean, we we've had the smaller boats
down there that ran very smooth. It was pretty good show, you know. So, I think that we can probably do the same thing with with you and that's the way I feel about it. So, >> yeah, >> there are significant >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And and I mean,
there there's been through the years there's been several different types and styles of racing over there. I mean, at one time, one of the one of the main advocates is trying to not let me wanting it more over here. His fellow
name is Sam Jenkins. He's been raising here since early 80s with Mr. Baker. >> Okay. So, commissioners, do you want to do a motion to have to or is everyone just in agreement and he'll bring it back on?
>> I I move that we um have Mr. Admiral come back with a a contingency plan to move to Lake Stella at our February 2016 >> if there's inclement weather. >> If there's weather, >> all it is is inclement weather. It ain't like we want to move just because Oh, no. >> We have a proper motion. Do I have a
second? >> Second. >> So, a proper motion and a second. Um, and as far as far discussion, Mr. A, you understand that? Please get a definition of what inclement weather would be in the racing world for us to understand. >> Okay.
>> Just figure 100 mph on water. Okay. >> Commissioner uh we're going to move we are going to move forward if that's okay. >> Okay. I'm just saying we don't need everyone in favor please say I >> I nay nay.
>> Okay. So approve. Thank you. >> Thank you all. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Let's move on to our um we have um Mr. Dan Dodge. He is the president of the Futland Peninsula Historical Society. He's going to give us an update on the DRC to come in.
Again, mayor and commissioners, uh, I just want to give you a brief update where we are currently with the the BRC. uh it has been activated again under the
historical society and renamed the BRC 2.0. We've had a few meetings and um we uh there really isn't much to to report to you. When there is, I'll come
back. Um but um when I have some meat for you to give you an update. >> Okay. >> So this is just a courtesy to give you heads up where we are. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you.
>> Okay. We're going to move on to surplus items. Um >> yes ma'am. Thank you. He's had um three items. The 2006 Ford F150. Um the next is the Gra 0 mower. Um engine is locked
up on that street department and the gener the water plant. We're looking to surplus these and get rid of them. I'm just looking for approval to surplus these items. >> Okay. >> Commissioners, can we have um a motion?
>> I surplus the three items listed by the city manager. >> We have a proper motion by Commissioner Lori. I'll second it. And we have a second by Commissioner Devito. Um, do we have any questions? My question is,
would this be an appropriate item for our consent agenda in the future? >> That's absolutely good. >> Okay. And um, so I just and also this is a very good uh, briefing sheet that has
all the information that to me I need to make the decision. >> Okay. Um, it looks like we just recently surplused and we received $8,000 in surplus. Where did those funds go towards? >> I'll have to get with Steve to see where they went. >> Okay. >> $8,000 we received for the back sale.
>> I don't think we've got it yet. It's got to go through first. >> It's on it way. >> Okay. So, it's on its way. We just haven't received funds yet. if you would if you can bring that back to us so that we make sure that that money just doesn't get absorbed because we have equipment that we need that I'm
sure he's putting that back into it. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Thank you. We have a proper motion in a second. Um, Miss Taylor, Commissioner Moore, >> I >> Commissioner Devito.
>> Hi, >> Commissioner Lord. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Burton. Hi, >> Mayor Myers. >> I so approved. Thank you very much. Let's go on to our firefighters pension board. Um this is where Chief Hyel as
the um board chair. He has um resigned as board chair and we have before us um Jefflair is willing to step in and take that position. Correct. And then you are going to state Mr. Stout's position.
Correct. On the board. Yes, ma'am. As most of you guys know, Mr. Stout left before the end of the year last quarter and was had a hard time replacing him. I advised you guys back then. If you guys couldn't find anybody, I would step up when I resigned January 1st. Uh Jeff
Lllair was nominated and approved by the department to take over. Um so that's what we're here for tonight is for me to replace Bill on the pension board. >> Okay. >> If you have any questions, I'm here for that. Other than that, it's pretty straightforward. >> You can't get away from us. No. >> No matter how hard you try, we're not
letting you down. >> They're still on the third person, correct? >> We still have a full There's only one spot open with Jeff being nominated to the chairman, may the chairman, um the secretary, then also Mr. Frolic, Mr. H, and then myself.
>> I knew there was somebody else. >> Yes. >> So, we need to make a motion that um to prove Jeff as chairman and Jason as the city representative. Yes. Um, I move that we approve the appointment of Jeff Claire as chairman uh of the firefighter
pension board and Jason Hifel as the city pension representative. >> I'll second that. >> Okay, we have a proper motion and a second. Um, should that read u that motion? Shouldn't that be to the as as fire pension representative and not city
pension representative? Those are two different entities. Correct. So, >> yes, I will fire. >> I'm the city's representative for >> Thank you. Wait a minute. Let's Could we back up a minute? If
>> Jason just said he is the city representative on the fire >> for the fire pension, I would be your first selection. >> Absolutely. >> The department chooses, the the city chooses, then we both choose together and I would be your choice. He's our choice, but he's on the fire pension,
right? >> Yeah. Your choice in the fire pion. You have somebody else that wants >> or you just want to continue giving back public service even though you can't get away from us. >> I'm still here.
>> So, we have a proper motion and a second. Um, Miss Taylor, just I just want to clarify one thing. So, there's five on the board. Three. >> There's three on the board. >> Well, there's five on the board. >> That's what I thought I heard you say.
So, you have >> um Mr. Hast, >> Mr. Hast, Mr. Frolic, >> Mr. Frolic, >> and myself, right? >> And then the department votes for the chairman and secretary, >> which they voted for Jeff. >> So, in other words, that's you said the
the fire department makes a choice and they choose the chair. >> They choose the chair and the secretary. >> Okay. >> Then they have a selection. The city has a selection and then they both choose together. >> Okay. >> So I would be the city selection. The fire department selection was Mr. Hen.
The joint selection was Mr. Folic. >> Right. So So basically we're just we're missing the city one city selection. >> Correct. Mr. Stout resigned his position. Yes. >> But you're stepping into >> and I'm just
sorry. I, >> Commissioner Dea. >> I, >> Commissioner Moore. >> I, Commissioner Burton. >> Hi, >> Mayor Myers. >> I Okay, so approved. Thank you. Thank you for your willingness to serve. And please tell Captain that we appreciate
his willingness to serve as chairman. >> I'll let him know he knew I was coming tonight. Thank you guys. >> Thank you very much. Okay, let's move on to we've got the Soul Food Festival permit application review. Um, do we have any sign here from the Soul Food Festival? I don't see anybody.
She was here. Um, so you've got the you've got this in front of us. Um, does anybody have any questions? Miss Moore, Commissioner, >> can you are you familiar with any of this?
>> Okay. Anyway, let's go forward. Great. I move that approve the professor. >> So, we have a proper motion. >> So, >> we have a proper we have a proper motion from Commissioner Lori to accept the
application, approve the application for the Soul Food Festival to use EA Lion Park on Friday evening from 4:00 to 9:00 and Saturday from 8 to 7 along with a parade. And we have a second by Commissioner Burton. Do we have any
other comments? >> Um I have some questions. Okay. So um as I mentioned before, um we do have an ordinance that has pretty specific requirements. Um
hold on just a second. So I'm very familiar with the Soul Food Festival. I support it greatly. Um it's by a wonderful organization that concerns citizens. My questions for the city manager don't reflect at all on the
value festival. Um but the whole purpose of our special event ordinance is to provide minimum standards for regulating special events um held in the city to protect the health, safety and welfare of the participants as well as the
residents and taxpayers of the city. So um and my first observation is I think that um we have some wrong information in our actual application. It says 30 days in advance for a class B event,
which I think this one is. And the ordinance seems to say 60 days. And that's not the fault of the people who submitted it. And they they did submit it um well in advance. Um my question for the city manager is there's no site
plan currently attached to the special event application. Yes, I'm aware. >> Okay. Because it's my understanding that there's supposed to be a site plan. >> We we met with our our fire um chief. He
was here. I actually sent representative last week. We had a meeting with them and we went over their plan. They're supposed to provide a plan either this week or early early next week. I'll follow up with them. >> But they did walk through the plan where everything was going to be and how it was going to be set up.
>> Right. So, um And I've I've raised this for you. Um my concerns are is there provision for parking and for um arrangements so that they're not driving a lot of vehicles
into the actual park. >> Yes. >> Right. Um because um we've discussed this in the past. Um, we need to protect the tree roots from further compaction for for the heritage trees and I believe
last year there was a lot of driving of heavy vehicles in the park. Um, >> that's been addressed. >> Okay. Then as well um there's provision to make sure that um and I'm a resident
there that residents can get in and out of their homes appropriately. >> That's been addressed as well. >> Okay. And also um the ordinance is very specific about leaving the lane of traffic open at all times for emergency vehicles.
>> That's been addressed as well. >> Okay. Um, also, um, I don't think this, well, I don't know. This was a problem in prior years. Um, some of the food trucks had very loud generators that were not
covered. >> The ordinance says, and the application actually says generators are supposed to be covered. >> Is it? >> You can't cover a generator. >> Yeah, you can't cover. You talking about baffled? >> Yes.
>> Well, it says in the application that generators are supposed to be um >> it's either a baffle box or >> right >> you can't cover them because >> well what whatever it says in here there's supposed to be some provision to
dead the noise. >> Um has that been addressed? >> It was addressed in our meeting. Yes. >> Okay. Um, >> it will it will be larger control. >> Pardon? >> It will be marginal control. >> Well, it says it says in the ordinance
and it says in the application as well. Is it possible for people to plug into the electrical outlets that are available? >> There's power out there. It's limited and it depends on how much load you put on it. >> We in the past in working with them in
the past, we have tried to get them as much as they possibly can. Um there was a there was a load issue when all of them were plugged in and so that did create that did create a problem but they were very trying to be as respectful as they could and and and use
those outlets where they can >> right because there is a load issue but I think one year they didn't and I know cfish festival uses the outlets um so I don't know what the difference is um and as well it turns out that Um, our
ordinance actually requires for class A and B events and I believe they indicated the soul food festival is a class B event that there is supposed to be outreach to all the residents within or the affected residents within 1500 ft
and have has that been discussed with >> what is the outreach system? >> It's what is it? It's in the ordinance. >> Is it is it posted on our website? Is it an email to them directly? Is it a letter? >> No, I think it's it's individual contact
with the residents. It's within 15 days of the event. Um, >> and what's the radius? What's the >> 1500 ft? >> Okay. >> Um, and I guess >> so that would be you and how many other homes were there?
>> Well, 1500 ft is a couple blocks. >> I haven't measured it exactly. City blocks are normally 300 ft. >> Okay. So, that was all my questions. >> Okay. >> Well, you know, they got such good music
there. Have to listen to it all day. >> And and what we have to keep in mind, too, is with those food trucks that have those generators that they have to park on that road otherwise they're going to go onto the grass. So, it's you're going to have to have trade-off there at some
point. So, they're either going to have to have the generators with the food truck or they're going to park somewhere on the park. They tried to they've tried as best they can. We've had that happen. Um so, but mayor, as one of my neighbors
said, it is a residential neighborhood. Um, we want to protect the park, but there are baffles or whatever it is available for generators and people have to live there. And you have to keep in mind that these are people's homes. Some
people are ill. Some people work. They need their rest. So, the ordinance clearly says it's for the protection of the people at the event and and the residents. I mean, it's important. You can't just >> It is but it's also important to have
this so that we can hold events if people may people need to be able to live in their homes and have a reasonable environment there. They don't need to be subjected to unreasonable noise for eight hours a day and
particularly this is people's homes. This is where they go when they are ill. If you have someone who is not well I get the point. >> Okay. So >> So we've got a motion. We have a motion >> and and a second. So, Miss Taylor, if do
we have any comments on this? Any public comments? >> Seeing nobody come forward. Miss Taylor, if you please do a roll call. >> Commissioner Murton. >> Hi, >> Mr. Moore. >> I Mr. Law. >> Hi, >> Commissioner. >> Hi, >> Mayor Myers. >> Hi.
>> So, approved. Thank you. The next one is our catfish festival permit. Thank you, Commissioner Pickkins, for um your patience tonight. You did get here a little early. I told you that it would
I didn't want to miss my spot. >> So, good evening. I'm Bill Pickkins. I'm the current president of Crest Rotary Club. and I'm meeting to the commissioners and the mayor, city manager, honorable attorney over there, Don Holmes and Major Usher. And um so
we're here just to um to hopefully y'all have looked at and will consider and u approve the permit uh for the use of Eian Park uh for the catfish festival on April 4th and the car show over at the
village property which I think you call it market square now. Um this is the 44th year that we've had this uh festival and you know that it main uh focus is uh scholarships for um the
graduating seniors of Crescent City High School. We averaged 22 no 15,500 right scholarships. Last year we gave over 20. Uh so we're just looking for your approval. A couple things that um
that are different. Um we are going to bring back the run and there should be a map in your packet and it's the old course it starts behind the old handy way behind my bar store and ends back up there. Also, um if you look at the flyer
that we have, we are taking out funnel cakes and we're adding ice cream. And if you look at the the park layout, there's a few changes there and you'll see that over I don't think it's marked, but over by the
uh I apologize, Bill. I just received the updated map this morning, so they did not get the map yet. >> That's good. >> Just a couple changes. We'll put the ice cream over by the strawberries, which really make no difference. Uh, we are
going to move the ATM, the t-shirt booth, and our information booth from right there on Cypress Avenue by the first a tent. We're going to move it to just north of the uh fencing of the tennis courts. We think that'll be a
better area for that. And as you can see, and I know Lisa, Commissioner Vo, and all of y'all are concerned with the traffic in the park and the safety of the trees, the sidewalks, and those things. Did you see that a number of years a year we moved all our food booths um to back by Main Street. Uh the
only one really that's there is Strawberry Shortcake and um and then the kids zone out front. So we're going to be you know limited um you know um damage to the bark and um we don't nail anything to the trees anymore. We stay
away from the trees with our setup. Um so we should be should be in good shape there. Um there is kind of an overview of the festival. Uh what we're requesting is pretty much the same. It was set up on Friday pretty much all day. Festival will be from 9 in the
morning till 4 and it'll continue to have uh live music, arts and crafts, uh car show, and then the parade at 11:00 I believe. Correct, Maryanne? And then um we'll end it at 4. live music. We'll end
it at 4 and then start tearing down to Sunday with some of the clean up, but it will be minimum. And I know that uh South Public Church is requesting the use of the park for their um Easter service. Uh so we'll be out. We should
be out of our way. >> So So just any questions? Um, we are planning on if we can work a deal with either one of the local uh bars or one of the um beverage um
distributors to have beer, just beer sales in park. No wine, no alcohol, and it will hopefully be located over on a portion of the tennis court. >> You'll have a beer garden. >> We're going to try to get that accomplishments then. So you need an approval. That's part of this that we
would be approving. So commissioners, just so you know, that would be part of the approval, part of the approval process. Okay. Does anybody have any questions of commissioner? >> Um I do. Yes. So um unfortunately my
copy of the application does not have um the site plan. >> He explained that earlier. >> Okay. Well, I didn't know. >> Nobody nobody has a copy of the site plan because >> Okay. benchmark is that um >> no that's that's okay because I listened
carefully and um there is there's a very good narrative description that's actually typed which is easy to read says required attachments and it has a lot of explanation that's very helpful um and I'm sure the site plan will be
provided to us eventually um I did not see anything in here about parking Do you have specific plans for parking? I know in the past we have had um you know parking with Dixie with
shuttles. Um are you >> we're not going to have any of that parking >> you know the way across the city set up people going to have to park where they can park okay and get permission for parking in people's um driveways and stuff like that. We are working with a local business owner about uh allowing
us to mark the majority of the arts and crafts vendors uh in that particular area and we have not had that space before. So >> um because I know in the years when parking has not been addressed, it can
be overwhelming. Um the other issue and I've raised this I mean I'm a member of Rotary. Um I'm actually a Paul Harris fellow now. Um, I've raised this at Rotary meetings. Um, during the parade,
um, sometimes the traffic, I guess if you're closing two blocks of Main Street, this may not happen. Um, it's my understanding, two blocks of Main Street are going to be closed. Um, but maybe it would happen from the south end. Um
residents have not been happy because people have tried to detour into the neighborhoods and have come up on dead ends and they've had tractor tractor trailers and whoever it is is um you know detouring and some years we've
had detour signs and some years we haven't. Have y'all discussed putting up detour signs or um at any specific point to help people when the roads are blocked off for the parade? >> I know that they put up the detour signs
when the parade is is going on from the south and the north end of Crescent City, >> right? Um I I know that there are detour signs or there's blocked off signs where they're going to close roads, but but actually policing the traffic within the
city of Crescent City east and west of BART. No, ma'am. I don't believe we've addressed that. >> Right. the sheriff. I know that we'll have a meeting because we had this last year >> with the public works director, city manager, the mayor, and captain or major
ushery about discussing some of those things of how we police it, but we'll do is the same things that we've done for the last 44 years, >> right? Well, sometimes it works out really great, sometimes it doesn't. So, um I think adequate detour signs are
helpful. Um, >> I think you also have to take in the element of people being courteous, >> be real courteous and respectful, >> um, then things go a lot better. If they're not, then that's where we usually have the trouble and hopefully we don't have any of that and our
festival will be over at 4:00, >> right? Well, >> we won't continue into the evening for any anything to happen there. >> Oh, no. I'm not talking about that. I'm just talking about it's um, and maybe I'll talk to the city manager about this. It's important for people coming in from the south especially to know,
you know, where's a good place to turn and so they don't come too far and turn into a dead end. Um, you heard all the questions I asked the city manager about the um the protection of the trees and um one thing I did not bring up um and I
should have for the soul food festival is given that we're having a drought um in addition to protecting the tree roots just in general if we're still in drought by April hopefully we'll have anything we need in place just to make
sure we don't um ignite brush or leaves or anything. >> May I say something? >> You've done this for how many years, Bill? How many years have you been Catholic festival? >> 44 years.
>> Okay. So, 44 years, you've been doing this without any types of issues, correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. Just let it finish. Let her finish. She let you So, so you know, I think you'll continue on that on that
path with this particular catfish festival as well. >> Yeah, I think so. And I think most people are courteous and we do the best we can to um you know have a quality event >> um >> to make sure we've worked with law enforcement and with the firefighters,
EMS, the city um and I think we've worked better over the past 10 years together um to have this festival because we took a chance bringing this back. I thought it was dead. Um, but
there's persistence by some individuals, ones in the audience, to bring this back and I think it's a great thing for Crescent City just like the Soul Festival. I'm so glad that it's gaining some traction. >> Yes. >> Okay. And uh to showcase showcase
Crescent City. Well, your organization's always been explicit and and very well and and so I I don't think um I don't think all of these problems that we're conjuring up here will be a a problem. How's that sound? I know I'm sound kind
of stupid but >> right know any where you have where Crescent City is constrained we don't have we're kind of confined in this particular area but I can't think we looked at years ago >> taking it out of Crescent City >> and we just could not come to that
>> um it just just has it um just like bluegrass festival and in in Palaca you know it it has its issues with parking traffic and things like that um but we'll You know, we'll do the best that we can. We just hope that you'll approve this application.
>> So, >> okay. Commissioner would like to make a >> um I I Commissioner Burton interrupted me. >> No, she did not. You were done. >> No, I was not done. >> Well, you quit speaking and so I I called on her. >> Okay.
>> I'm gonna I am not done and she said some things that are absolutely not true and I would like to address them, please. Um, Commissioner Dito. >> Yes, please. >> I'm going to ask for a motion first and
ask for a second. Okay. And then I will allow you to to say whatever you need to say. >> Okay. And Commissioner Lori, >> um, I would be happy to move that we approve the park permit application for the River Club present Space Cage
Festival for the 44th year. >> Okay, I'll second it. We have a proper motion and a second and that >> it also includes the alcohol sales. >> I was gonna ask that we do the alcohol sale motion separately, please. That's
his prerogative. He's made the motion. >> I just second that as well to motion. >> So, we have a proper motion and a second currently. Commissioner Dia. >> Yes, please. So, um I am protective of
every single residents and business here and I'm concerned about safety whether on the west side of 17 where I am or the east side of 17. I'm concerned always
about safety and residents access to their homes. Um, my family has been living on Main Street since Catfish Festival began and I'm a member of the Rotary and I have run the um, Strawberry
Shortcake booth, not Strawberry Shortcake booth, the um, the Lemonade and participated in many catfish festivals. We do have a very constrained space and Rotary works very hard to do the best
they can. Um however um sometimes we plan better than others and to provide for safety careful planning it's not just conjuring up possibilities. There have been many years when Main Street was completely impassible and it
would not be possible to get an emergency vehicle down there. over the years that has been addressed and that's a good thing and that's very important and that's a good achievement. Um, in past years, um, I wasn't going to bring
this up, but Commissioner Burton said there's never been any problems. Um, in past years when there was a thunderstorm and there wasn't good parking or planning for ingress and egress, um, Dr. Reynolds was hit by a car on his bicycle
and he spent the last 6 months of his life in a nursing home with a broken back. I went to visit him twice. Um, another time um, there have been costs to the city. Um
there was one year when a huge RV was allowed area and it the city's water pipe the water to our house on Main Street was cut off for a week and the city had to spend several thousand dollar to bring a
machine in from Orlando to dig up the pavement and repair that pipe. Anyway, so it's not that things haven't gone wrong. It's that we want to do our best to protect against them. And that is why I bring things up to make sure that all the eyes are dotted and the tees are
crossed. So, and hopefully everything will go really well. Absolutely. >> Thank you. Um I have a speaker if if that's okay. I do have a speaker. Um, Miss North Carol, you asked that to speak >> before we take a vote.
>> Yes. >> And my my questions are are >> Would you please state your name and your address if you will and if you would address your your questions to the commission? >> Okay. Thank you. Uh, my name is George Carroll. I live at 345 North Broward
Avenue in Pamora Park. I'm here representing the Health and Wellness Coalition. Our our job as as that coalition is to do the best we can to have a happy, healthy, drug-free
society. We have concerns about having uh at a festival that ends at 4:00. What time is are they going to start selling beer? 9:00 in the morning. Commissioners, I don't know. >> My understanding is they're going to start selling the alcohol, the beer, and
it will only be beer at 11:00 and they will end it at 3:00. >> Okay. Will they also have ID signs that say we ID? >> They will. Um, >> Commissioner Pickkins, they will have to have it's correct me if I'm wrong. My understanding is they will have
wristbands. We'll have to have you will have to have a tipper there. Um, so that they would be checking the IDs to make sure and that only those people served will have a wristband. Is that correct? >> That's my understanding from the discussion. Yes, correct. Okay. And will
they be armbands that can't be removed and put on someone else? >> Most of the time they are. >> Yep. >> Will this be clo will their beer garden be close to a kid zone? Yes. >> Close to the playground area.
>> It'll be separated by >> it'll be separated by the >> deer garden is what it is. So, not just walking around with beers. >> How are they going to ID enforcement do the ID? >> They'll have to have a tipper there. Um,
you always anytime you're serving alcohol, you have to have it's called a tipper and they have to have the certification for that. And so, they're the ones that will be checking the IDs and making sure that everyone um follow the rules. Will there be a cut off on amount of drinks allowed
to sell to one patron? >> Yes. What will that be? >> What do you want it to be? >> Three. >> We'll consider it >> more than that. I.e. it's it's considered
four for a woman and five for a man is a binge. So, we would like to keep it below a binge. And this is this is evidence-based information I'm giving. I don't make it up. Uh will people be trained in responsible as responsible vendors?
>> Again, they'll have a tipper and they will be trained. They have to be trained and have a certification. >> Who will train them? >> The state >> the state training. >> State trains them. >> All right. >> So, it's a state requirement. >> Yeah. >> They have to go do training through the state.
>> Well, they can also have training through state certified agencies and we have one in the coalition >> if needed. >> Thank you. >> Yes, >> it's good to know. >> So, we're very concerned about this
being a new start and with it being um well, I don't think you can get away from the kids in the park and that it's u with a community that has a huge alcohol problem that having having more alcohol available to people is a bad
sign for the children and the families that come here. >> Thank you, sir. And for your assurance, Miss Carol, I will say that we have had numerous events with alcohol and thankfully um everyone has been very responsible with
that. Those servers and those people that are partaking and we have not um had any events and it will be how the sheriff will be. Um there will be deputies there on site. >> All right. Well, we're here we're here to help and to educate.
>> Thank you. Thank you so much. We appreciate your comments. And m about that. It's my Well, first of all, I would really appreciate it if we could separate it out into two motions because I never vote for alcohol in the
park and I must say um it greatly concerns me because yes, there has been alcohol in the park and there haven't been any incidents. However, the catfish festival is a much larger event than we have ever had serving alcohol.
No, no. The bike festival we had 4,4500 and they had two bars >> and >> right on Central Avenue, the entire Central Avenue and Market Street and I mean Market Square. So, and it was and they had liquor there. They did not just have here. So, it was it was a mixture
of everything. And unfortunately, I have a motion by a commissioner who and it's his prerogative whether or not he wants to separate his motion up. Okay. >> So, you're going with your motion. Okay. So, we currently have a motion and a second. Do we have any further
discussion? >> Any other public comment? You No. Yes, ma'am. >> Yes. I I'd just like to tell you that the co some people from the coalition will be there to do a scan. >> Thank you.
>> Did you explain what that is? >> Do you want to you want her to expand on that? Would you like to expand on what a scan is? >> Yes. A a scan is it's an environmental scan to see if the things that I've listed here are really being done
and then we'll report that. >> Thank you. Um Taylor, if you please do a roll call. >> Commissioner Nino. >> No. >> Commissioner Lawrence. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi. Mr. Wharton. Hi, Mayor Myers.
>> I Okay, so approved. Thank you for your patience. We look forward to another successful um hopefully. Um and thank you for approving this. Um I may go back to my board and say it's just not worth it. We've never had alcohol. We saw the
success of a startup bike fest. Okay. And they had hard liquor. >> Yeah. We're not having that with a beer. We're going to limit it. All we're trying to do is to keep this festival
going forward. Festival has they have a life and I thought we had reached the life expectancy of the cactus festival and co shut it down. But we brought it back. There three things that make this work.
catalyst that runs it is the Rotary Club, not two or three organizations. The main goal is to provide scholarships for most any senior that applies. The third is the buy in of the community
because without the volunteers, there's no way in hell we could put this thing on. We now are at 31 Rotarians. Eight of them are under the age of 50. Everybody else is over 65. Do the math there.
>> Okay. So, thank you for approving this and I'm going to leave on a positive note. I want to thank this commission, especially the mayor for reaching out to James Scott. Remember when we worked on
that? >> I do. James Scott played at the University of He was a star athlete at Crescent City. Yes, he was. >> I'm quite sure he played four years at the University of Miami and won a a national championship
and he was involved in this Pop Warner before his childhood old to play. There three or four of those young men trying to keep this thing alive. they didn't have a place to practice. And with the construction of the high school, he almost begged you to use facility that
the county just put six or $700,000 in by the South Upland Church >> so kids could play soccer. They're bringing back uh softball and baseball. Okay. They have over 200 and something kids are soccer. That's the dominant
sport. So he doesn't he didn't have a place to play just practice. Okay. And y'all put some money in there and he seems to be very happy. >> You see the benefits of what you did. >> It's about the youth.
>> It's the only reason we have the catfish festival. My kids are grown. Done. >> Okay. So, anyway, thank you so much. >> Thank you so much. >> Okay, let's move on.
So our next >> next item would be the tree and garden board appointment. >> Yeah. Do you want to speak to the tree and garden board? It's my understanding that um >> it's my understanding that we had a resation. Is that correct? >> Yes. They were supposed to have a
representative here tonight. Um but yeah, dream garden board had someone open up vacancy. They had step down to health concerns or health reasons. Um, >> we had an applicant which I put in front of you there. >> I believe we had another one though,
didn't we? Before we get into that, >> I've only received one >> applicant or resation >> resation. >> Resignation. Yes. I'm sorry. And only one. >> Have you checked your Have you checked your >> as of today? >> Yeah. Did you go through any of your any of your >> I haven't seen anything else.
>> It's my understand It's my understanding that the chairman resigned as well. >> I have not received anything yet. Yes. And I did hear that this afternoon. >> You did hear that this afternoon? >> I heard it this afternoon. I haven't received anything directly from her.
>> Okay. My understanding is she dropped it off at at the front. So, >> okay. That's why. >> So, we'll just need to look for So, that means we'll have another open vacancy if this one's not filled or even if this one is filled. >> Okay.
So what we have before us is Electra Sutton. Electra Sutton served on this board before. I believe she was also the chair person and she asked to come back on the board and based on the way she departed um I believe it was not approved. Is that correct?
>> It was not approved the last time that she applied. >> However, >> it's been a few years now. >> It's been a few years. And so I just want to make sure my concern is to make sure that whoever's on that that they're committed to this board. Okay. >> So, that that is a concern of mine.
>> If I could shed a little light about Miss Sutton, um when she was on the board, um >> I think the main reason she was the chairperson was that they needed one and the city manager at the time encouraged her to
>> Hold on. Is everything okay? >> Major, you might want to step out there. I'm listen. I'm listening. >> Okay, you're listening. Um, >> they're just standing by the door. >> Okay. Well, they're both very >> passionate. >> Yes. Thank you. They're very passionate.
>> That would be a good idea. Okay. >> So, um, >> Alex was very happy serving on the board until the city manager encouraged her, for lack of anyone else, willing to be the chairperson. She did not enjoy that.
Um, I think she was much happier before if she was requested to be the chairperson. Um, and if she wants to come back on the board now, I I think she would do a great job because she seemed to have a good time. She just did not like being the chair.
>> Well, and there's always that opportunity if you're the chair to give up the chairship and asked to remain on the board and and hand the gal over to somebody else. So, I guess that did not happen. >> That that didn't happen. And I don't think they had any I just don't think it
was her cup of tea to be a chair. Commissioner Moore is looking at me like you've heard of that before, right? And some people just don't enjoy doing that job. >> Okay. >> So, yes, >> I would like to move that we approve electricity for the dream garden.
I'll >> second that. >> Okay. We have a proper motion and a second. Any further discussion? If not, Miss Taylor, if you please do a roll call. Kush I Commissioner Lauri I >> Mr. Burton >> I
>> Commissioner I >> Mary >> still approved. >> Thank you. Next on the regular business is the weather stem program. Um this weather stem program is something I think would benefit the city. It's under
the Florida severe um severe weather network. They're working in conjunction with FM, which is the Florida Division of Emergency Management. The upfront cost for us would be zero dollars. The state would invest $25,000 for a very
robust weather monitoring system that would be installed at their cost here at the city. Um, they would cover the first the hardware, the installation, the first three years of subscription, fully serviced, fully covered. We would have a commitment year four through 10, which
would be seven years, $2,500 a year for that that piece of equipment. What it would allow us to have is a subsecond refresh rate, faster, more precise data that can all of our fingers on our phone, internet. The really great part
about it is it's publicly accessible. So, it's not just something we're getting. It's something everybody in the city can get. um real time alerting. Everything from whether a fire, a tornado, hurricane, hail stom, heavy rain, it doesn't matter, it's on there.
Um historical reporting. This helps out with our compliance ready records for FEMA, our grants, and our insurance. Um and we can do customized branding dashboards. So, we put our nice, beautiful city logo on there. And um but this is a cost down the road, $2,500 a year starting in year four. So, that's
going to that's going to cost us. It's uh you know what is that $16,000 $17,000. Sorry, my brain I need a calculator but it's some dollars and over stretch of those years and so we're going to have to have a tight budget. We don't know how we're going to get money later. So
it's something to think about. This is free but it's not free. This is an investment down the road. The ROI is huge for us. Um it's a statewide integration. So the system would actually be part of something even larger. And that that puts us in with
other people and uh helps us get visible. >> Well, the thing that is really interesting about weather is they have, you know, weather stations at the airports usually and stuff like that and then everything else is kind of extrapolated or interpolated. Um so you
never really know what the temperature is outside in Crescent City because there's not a weather station in Crescent City. >> Correct. And this would alleviate that and also to keep track of water and rain and that stuff where you don't have to ask commissioner to tell us how much rain,
>> right? And that's only at my house, >> right? With the not very sophisticated. >> Um my question I I'm not I will say this right now um currently with where we are at $2,500 while it doesn't sound like a
whole lot. $2,500 um >> over seven years you said 17,000 >> you know and us not knowing what's going to happen in the future and we've made this commitment so three years down we're going to have to do this and that $2500
you know could actually go towards we we've got employees that we could you know and I understand that this is you know but when that $2500 what about the maintenance of it is that does that take care of if something breaks
If you're positive, >> I I can I can get with them, but that is that is what they're talking about. Is there support? >> I would think that would be um because the installation and hardware is $25,000 is what they're looking to put. That's a
subscription fee is that we're paying and that doesn't to me mean maintenance. So, what would our maintenance cost be should something happen to it? >> From what I can read, the maintenance on it is very, very low. It's more of the subscription cost. Um, you know, it's just like anything else that you buy.
It's not going to be perfect. Uh, it's built to withstand, of course, the weather, wind, all of those things. There's going to be costs out of pocket. But >> what's the average end of life of these things, though? >> Well, >> that's that's a question I'd ask them. You should know that answer. Is it 10 years?
>> I think I think it's 20 years. >> Okay. I'm just saying >> from the research that I looked at, they last a lot longer than just the tent. That's just when you're supposed to keep them up to. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. And you may have to replace, you know, solar panels and things of that nature. You could have something hit
that solar panel and it can bust out. >> Yeah. There's there's money usually involved in things like that. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I would like to see rather than this, we need cameras in our parks. We need cameras in the city and we don't have cameras in our city. Um and so I
mean so that's just where I'm I'm going with that. >> And we and we've talked about that looking at other options as far as grants for those. This is in that similar um fashion being a grant or being that that they're they would be willing to come in and give that equipment. Um but again this one you are
investing as well. >> Okay. And again for five and a half years I've been asking for cameras that we don't have that we need cameras and I've been told that we're going to get grants. We're going to get grants and we don't need >> we don't need grants. We just need to put cameras. We just need to put cameras in there.
>> Do that. We just have to get internet access. >> So, if y'all want somebody wants to make a motion. >> Um I I move that we approve the city manager applying to the Florida Sphere weather network program to give us a
weather station and have it installed. >> Okay. Do we have a second? We have a proper motion by Commissioner Lori. Do we have a second? Well, I'll second that for the sake of discussion. But what was the thing about
Noah will help us with the cameras and the parts? >> Project Noah. >> Noah. >> Project Noah. >> Okay. I was thinking Noah. >> This is Noah. The weather's more than Noah. >> Um, so, mayor, I have another question
just procedurally. So, if we allow you to apply for it and they grant it, um, is there another step? Do we have to approve contract for them? Um, in other words, if we apply for it, do we have to take it?
>> If we apply for it and they have one available, >> yes, >> then I would say yes. But I have to get I I can get that information. I just got this and wanted to bring it in front of you all. Um, okay. >> You know, another thing and I understand about unforeseen. I I think one thing
that um that I like about this more than anything is about the unforeseen and that is the capability of helping us out analytically when it comes to unforeseen weather conditions whether it's hurricanes, fires, wind, storm, hail. Um this helps us um you know with our
compliance ready records. It'll give us those records to hand over to to FEMA um you know and FA for that case for that matter. For instance, some of the things that we had for the roof over at Dexter, um some of the things that happened to
our docks, that weather station gives them a day where you had those special weather events that says, "Hey, this is what caused the damage." It helps us out and it helps us out with their insurance. That could be something that could offset the cost. But I do understand what you're saying. Um, just
like when I came in the first couple months and we started pounding down where we could save money and we saved that $90,000 on insurance, we're going to continue doing the same. I'm going to continue doing the same to find out where we can get some of this money where we don't have to spend it so much.
We'll find that $2,500. Mayor, if you allow me to go after this, I promise you I'll find it. >> Well, that's a commission decision. Mayor, I share your concern about the uncertainty with our finances. I mean,
this year we had um the drop in our assessed value because of the tangible personal property valuation. Correct. That that should >> that were that was from two years ago was yes. >> But that so that should be ended.
However, however, we are looking at we don't know what is going to happen with the property tax proposals. They are moving into the legislature. We don't know what our revenue stream is going to look like. the local business tax
um pulling that back is moving and as well there's a high certainty that the sovereign immunity levels will rise potentially drastically or potentially in line with inflation and
that will probably affect our insurance. I mean, I think there's a lot of uncertainty out there. And then unfortunately, um, the next item on the agenda has to do having to do with commission compensation. Um, we have not, um,
we haven't addressed that and I think that has a big price tag on it. Um, but the city manager gave me to understand that the weather STEM program is first come, first serve. >> It is, you're correct. >> We got 41. It says 41 available, right?
Um, so I don't know. This is this is really um this is to me um a bit of a gamble. >> Okay. Well, um we have a proper motion
and a second on the table. A proper motion by Commissioner Lori to approve this and a second by Commissioner Devito. If there's no further discussion, um Miss Taylor, if you would please do a roll call. >> Commissioner Devito. >> Nay. Commissioner Lori. >> Hi.
>> Commissioner Moore. >> I'm gonna go with N. >> Nate. >> Nate. >> Oh, I'm sorry. It wasn't >> Nate. Myers. >> Thank you though for putting this research, but it failed. Um but thank
you for the research and maybe maybe encourage um emergency management um to do this on behalf of the county that would cover the entire county and that would be helpful as well. So but thank you. I just think that there's a time and right now I think we're all a little weary where we are.
>> Sure. >> Okay. Let's move on to update on ordinance 99-04. Um, and that is the ordinance that Commissioner Lori found
and going through. And I want to tell you that I have It's very interesting. Everyone, if you don't have anything to do during your days, just come in here, grab a box, grab a notebook, and start reading through all the ordinances that
have been passed through the years. >> Um, and it's very interesting. and a minute. It's a lot. >> There's a lot. >> There's a lot. that was >> um this was passed back in um 1999
and at some point in time and I think this is something too that with us having Unicode um and that was um when I first started that I remember going and talking to them about Unicode and saw the
importance and I know our fellow commissioners all of you felt that same way. Um because now our ordinances are there at our fingertips where before you would lose a lot of this information because through different city managers.
I mean you have to think in five years we've had six city managers um you know and and through clerks and everyone you lose a lot of this this this institutional knowledge. So I think that has been very beneficial.
Um, and now we have to just determine where we're going to go from here. I know all of you, um, while we don't have it, I don't have a copy of it printed. Um, um, Mr. Holmes, city attorney Holmes gave an opinion. >> Yes, you did.
>> Um, that was shared with everyone. Um, so if anybody would like for him to just speak to this, um, or if there's any information that anybody is looking for, >> I think I've asked my my questions as to
how it actually would kind of work. So, from what I understand, and I've, you know, heard it a couple different ways, but but, uh, not really a couple different ways, the same way, just said differently. And um back in 1999,
the mayor was paid $500, the commissioners were paid $400. And on top of that, they were also they had the opportunity of getting healthcare and that healthcare signed up back in 1999. I don't know what the cost of it
was, but that would have been added to the salary of what they were getting. they could either not take the healthcare and get compensated by cash dollars or take the healthcare. And so, you know, I don't know how it worked out
um for people back in 1999. So, if you fast forward, uh that was never changed. Somehow or another, our salaries were changed to what they are today, >> but it never came through from an
ordinance or from a it was never changed really. But what what was in a I can fill in that I was elected in 2003 and from 2003 to 2007 we were paid um the $400 salary plus the payment in
li of insurance >> and that amounted to be $300 something >> what it is right now $324 or something. So that has not changed since 2003. Um, and that at the time I was offered to go on the city's healthcare health
insurance, but I had my own private health insurance, so I stayed on that. That was the choice that was given to me. Then flash forward to now, um, we've just been paid that amount and no one really has knowledge like you were talking about, this knowledge just gets
um, you know, passed on or lost. And so we've just been getting checks that say salary $724 as commissioners and the mayor has 800 whatever 800 and then it's just a salary. And so what the ordinance
says in 99 was we should get on the city's health insurance or paid in lie of that an equal amount to what that would cost. Um the mayor has decided that she wants health insurance which is her right. I read this ordinance and the
problem that it makes it difficult is during the reconification with community last year um Mr. >> No, he did not. I spoke to Mr. R and he did not. So I just want to protect his name. >> Well, I mean I can show you the proof it has on there. Yeah.
>> Did he change the actual salary >> to make it make it He's the only one that had it. >> He had to because no other ordinance adopted. I mean, he probably didn't think about it. He went out and >> well, when I spoke when I spoke to him because I did reach out to him and asked
him and he said that he does not that he did not and he does not even recall that. He said everything and I remember when Karen scanned everything and sent it to Munich and >> I think he did a matter of fact forever. So we'll probably
>> but I don't know that he he does not recall ever having that conversation even coming up and he even said to me for us to change those salaries he goes the charter he said it would have to come to us and he so he knew all of that in writing where he wrote it to you
these are the proofs from >> and he says right here there's the page because there it has these are the proofs that they they sent back. He had sent me to uh to help proof them. And then you see it has the uh the things at
the bottom. These are the little footnotes. And then there's the answers from now I have to figure out what page that was on. Do you know what page that was? >> Um I sent them to city manager. >> Page 294 zoning chapter footnote
26. Footnote 16. Okay. >> I mean I I really believe that didn't do this on purpose. Oh, absolutely. >> He realized because he looked at the numbers here. I'll show you because it even says person is these numbers still
correct and what you page 26 26 put 16 but I mean you can see what the question is from uni code and then there 26.
Okay. Footnote 16 compensation still correct. And it says no. It is currently 82821 and 72821 respectively. >> Okay. So that's what he >> that's all I said. Yes. I'm not saying that he changed it on purpose, but he
was updating. I mean there's a lot of places in here that there's stuff that was out >> and we all would have said the same honestly. >> None of us do that. >> So >> or women but the The problem is that we
didn't approve it and um I just by chance was sorting papers at home and I sent this document to the city manager. I assumed he would send it out to everybody. I asked him to send it to Mr. Holmes. Um
I'm as certain as I can be that that 1999 ordinance did not ever get changed and come back to the commission. Right. because there were minutes from a September meeting I believe in 2017
>> right in 2017 I was not on the commission but obviously I came to a meeting um it was a memo it was minutes um or either minutes or a memo it was by Mr. Kennedy and it was about the budget.
There were pie charts, whatever. And he clearly showed um that he was going to combine the amounts for salary and insurance. And he showed instead of broken out amounts for the
commissioner salaries and it was just with a tiny little asterisk that he was lumping those together. >> Right. So, but there was no >> ordinance. We know that never exist code has it as code. Yeah.
>> I spoke to the um the city commissioners, the two commissioner Frolic and Commissioner West, >> and both of them said neither one of them needed insurance. They took the supplement instead. >> And I spoke to um Mr. Kennedy about it
and Mr. Kennedy felt like sometime um like around 2010, somewhere between ' 08 and 2010 that they did cross possibly a resolution or something to that effect. Of course, that will never trump an
ordinance. >> Um and he said they combined they combined them they combined that amount, right? >> And they were doing that. However, I've gone through a and I can't find anything. And I've gone through the ordinances. I've gone through everything. I've gone through I
mean, I've got minutes, everything that I could find upstairs. And there's nothing to show otherwise in Munich Code still quotes the 9904, right? >> Yeah. It's at the bottom. >> Yes. I support.
>> So, and then we this the commission we accepted um and I I mentioned that when I talked to Mr. um Holmes on this we um I've got it here somewhere. We
>> on this MUN code. I got made a copy for everybody that we accepted what >> accepted it as the >> Yep. And we did that. It was in 20. It was ordinance 202403. You have that. Um so we accepted it. So
I guess what we have before us now is um how we how we move forward with this and they did it properly when they did it um in in 1999 because it did not go in effect until the new term the new term
was in place. So it was properly it was properly done unfortunately through the years. It has just not been updated and um and so here we stand. >> Okay.
>> Um it's my understanding and I believe that Mr. Holmes spoke to this. >> Sorry. >> This is a copy of the ordinance. Do you have a copy of the ordinance in 1999? Um
>> okay. So um go ahead. >> Okay. So, whatever happened, someone made a mistake. Either our staff and un code made a mistake and um I believe
that Mr. Holmes spoke to this. I think Mr. Holmes, you're working on the burn thing. >> He's got that done. Are you done? It should be in front of you. Um and I I thought I had Mr. home's email. But um
we passed the MUN code. When did we pass the code? >> 2024. >> Right. In 2024, >> we passed the final reading was um June 13, 2024. >> Okay. So, I guess what we need to do is
how do we fix this, Mr. Holmes? I think you're going to need an ordinance that is effective upon the next turn of commissioners. >> Well, an ordinance that >> Well, if you're going to if you're going
to increase your compensation, obviously your charter requires that it be done by ordinance. If you're simply going to authorize the payment of the money uh for health insurance
in of coverage, I think that's something that you can do by resolution or or whatever. I mean that that's already in place. That ordinance that allowance was contained in the 99 ordinance. It's already there. It says you either get
health insurance coverage or the amount of coverage that would be applicable and you get that in lie of the amount of money in lie of the cost of the coverage that's already in play. So as far as I'm concerned to do that you can simply make
that election. I don't think there's a problem with that because that tracks the current ordinance. So, in my opinion, because the 99 ordinance says you can have either, although it fixes your salary of a certain amount, >> I think you can elect to go on coverage or you can elect the amount that would
uh the amount an amount equal to what it would cost to insure you under the city's health plan. >> So, how would we in that given if we let this stand as it as it is, how do we fix what is in Munich? Um, how do we correct
how do we correct that? >> They just need to be advised. I think that they that there's an error in your code. I wanted to see the ordinance. Remember when you I was talking to you today, I said if you guys adopted a made adopted the MUN code by ordinance, then
you might have a say a basic safety net. I'm looking at this that states additions or amendments to the code when passed in such a form as they indicate the intention of the city commission to make the same part of the code shall be deemed to be incorporated in the code. So that reference the code includes the
additions and addendums. Um it doesn't say anything about ordinances after September 2823 and amend refer to ordinances that have been caught out in should they amend. So I mean from my perspective
it was a mistake >> and I think that setting compensation based upon the way the charter reads it it shouldn't be implemented by a mistake in in in basically the the the writing or of the of the MUN code or the
transfer of the code to the MUN code. So uh I I think that they should be advised that that was a mistake they were given. Not saying they made a mistake, not mad at anybody, but they were given erroneous information inadvertently and they needed to could correct it >> to make that correct. >> And mayor, if I could, they didn't ask I
I think they did make a mistake and they should be cognizant of this. Not that we are angry at them, but they should have asked for verification. >> They really should have and they just said is, you know, >> there should have been a piece of paper that went with it.
>> There was a lot. I mean they had a lot that they were going through. So that's why they worked on it for a year and a half. How do you fix this? >> I think that's like what Mr. Holmes is saying. So we would just have formal letter from the city manager stating
that um there was an error. >> Is that correct? And please correct this. Please correct this error to read accordingly. >> Right. Yeah, they and I can help write it or whatever, but you know, our code requires that a change in compensation be implemented by an ordinance effective
the year following or with the next taking of office that never occurred after 99. Therefore, please correct the MUN code to reflect the salaries in place at that time, just the salaries because remember the remainder >> change that one that one changes
>> and I and I will say this that um I mean first off we would have to raise our salaries anyway because I don't know that anybody would do this job for for that. And we're really trying, we really need to get as we as we leave, we would
hope some of our younger residents would come in being able to get insurance. Um, especially if we had any business owners, um, you know, small business owners. That would be a huge benefit to them. Um, their willingness because it's
harder and harder to get people, good people to come and serve in these in these positions. >> Um, so I think that would be incentive. Um when I was talking to Charles about this because I was asking him, you know, what recollection do you have? Um he
said that his his city commission um has that option too. They have that option. Now the only difference I think is that if they opt out of if they opt out of that you know that that compensation
because with our employees how it reads is that with our employees if they don't take the insurance and they're on Medicare then we compensate them for whatever insurance they're paying for. Is that correct? >> That's what we're currently doing right now. >> Okay. That's what we're currently Yes.
>> Okay. Okay. So commission um this is in front of you what how do you want to proceed? Mr. Holmes has made his recommendation. Okay. So mayor my concern is here we have an ordinance that says we are
entitled to our ordinance says um and it's in this in code. We're entitled to insurance or the cash equipment. >> Right. Okay. But we have not we have not budgeted for that
>> in any way, shape or form. And um I I don't see um I don't see how we can make a change to compensate ourselves for insurance that beyond what we have
budgeted. >> They're going to have to do a budget amendment. So get a budget amendment you can move money inside the general fund without an amendment. >> Okay. But so for the for the balance what that would add I mean if you take
out the what is it >> no 374 right? Um, if you take the 374 that's now part of the commission allowance for insurance and I guess for the mayor it would be 274
the same amount the same amount. So what you're doing is all of us will be will drop back our salaries need to drop back to you would be paid 400 I would be paid 500 >> and so that's what we would have to drop back to. >> So what would happen exactly? So what
would happen is that difference that they had been paying that they had been paying the commissioners not just us but the commissioners for since this was passed that difference okay that's going to come off that's already accounted for
in your insurance so you're going to where are we right now a little over $1,000 for insurance Steve >> I think00 okay so you would get now you would get an additional you subject to possibly an
additional $800 a month because you're not going to get that full amount because you're already getting the 300 plus. >> I know that. So my my point is there is a monthly amount would be approximately
5 time 7 or 800 is either >> pardon four because the mayor's not going to get that >> for but she's not going to get >> insurance instead of the payment. >> Okay. But we pay for the insurance. Okay. So, it's still money. It's either
being paid to us or to the insurance company. So, for for five members of the commission times 700, that's $3,500 a month just for the balance of the year. If you started in March, that would be
$3,500. And as a rough ballpark, very rough that we have not budgeted for we don't have a lot of fat in our budget. regardless of whether we have that in our budget, we have an ordinance sitting
in front of us that tells us what we should do. And so that's where we are right now. So that we have a ordinance sitting in front of us that tells us what what we should be doing and we have not been following
correctly. >> This should paid out every year. >> Yeah, >> that's a lot of money for Crescent City. So I have a question for the city attorney. Um, do we we didn't budget for this. Do we have to pay ourselves for the full
amount of the insurance? Can we pay ourselves less even though the ordinance >> that we're entitled? I mean, >> go back and look at the go back and look at the charter real quick. Um, I think it's I don't know if it says
shall or may. This one in the ordinance says, "Shall shall in addition to the amount received as salary be entitled to health insurance um or an amount of compensation equal to the cost of coverage for said individual mayor, commissioner, or other individual
commissioners under the terms of the city's brief health insurance coverage. So, I mean, I think that you can always turn down money, but um you know, as far as the commission making a decision that the money won't be paid, I think that would run foul of what you've got in
your ordinance. So, if some commissioner doesn't want it, you can always they can always say they don't want it and stay in the budget or they can shift it to a different account. I mean, there's it's basically their money that they're basically paying back. Um,
so >> well, how you know, we've been able to find money before uh every year where we seem to be able to find money >> uh to pay for interim managers, to pay
for uh to increase our CRA uh uh assistant uh manager positions. uh we have always been able to find uh money in our budget to do some things that I don't I don't know where that
money comes from. Um I do know that you know we have tried to put about 75,000 uh into a bank account so that we can get some interest on it and grows that into more money. 70 750,000 excuse me
>> should get us about 37 roughly. >> Yeah. you know, um so I mean there there's ways and and I think there's ways that we've been trying to to uh to do those things. So, um I think we should let Steve sharpen his pencil and
and and start looking at things and seeing where we can come up with uh that money. Well, I >> I mean, I understand what you're saying, but you know, um there just comes a time
when you got to do what's right. What what has been on the books for so long and has been overlooked. I mean, um I think the the mayor is right in the sense that, you know, we have to move forward with our salaries or we will not
get anybody that's interested in these positions. And then where is it going to go? where's how are things going to go? You know, it's really hard to say. >> So, >> if I may, I think there's a there's a happy medium here as well. I mean, you all have to think about the future of
who comes in here and you have to have a good base pay, correct? If someone's eligible for the insurance, the code right now, the ordinance says they get it. >> Maybe you come up with a different plan. If other people are eligible for something else, the city reimbures for
that. Maybe a cost savings for the city. You're not going to have the you're going to have mixed board up here every time. It's not going to be the same. So, you may have two people that need it. You may have nobody that needs it. Um, think a way to to say where you can save. And of course, it won't go into
effect next cycle, but maybe there's a way to cover everybody, but not not get too crazy in the cost. I mean, if you did it today, the way it's looking, the mayor's going to lose pay getting insurance. you're not going to get another mayor to come in here for 500 bucks a month and
it's just not going to happen today. Um, but again, I think it's I think this this this commission has has that decision to make looking into the future making the choice on how they're going to how they're going to do this and compensate people. >> So, let me let me go ahead and clarify what the ordinance says. The ordinance
doesn't make it mandatory. It says the mayor, commissioner, and the other city commissioner shall in addition to the amount received at salary be entitled to individual health insurance coverage under the term of the city's group health plan or an amount of compensation. So be entitled to means
basically the option of the of the commissioner. So the charter says made uh the commission may set the ordinance says be entitled to. So in answer to the question that was put to me, no, I don't think it's required that the amount be
paid. I but I think that it does give the option to each commissioner and the mayor as to whether they receive coverage or an equivalent amount. I think it's at the discretion of each each commissioner/ mayor.
And as far as the future goes, pass an ordinance, my recommendation would be that you get a s it's easy to do a salary survey of what commissioners are receiving around not just around the state because it's so uh you know you
have >> Tallahassee and then you have two egg. So I think the idea is that you try to find similarly populated uh municipalities and league cities can certainly help with that. You look at
those numbers and >> um well it's for you to set but I mean we did that in the city of LA. We went ahead and got a salary survey of everything uh in Florida that was well I think we had we had we had 30 or so cities that were in our we thought in
our rough population range and got the numbers from those and u and then they they made then they took a vote >> and and that was not included in our survey. I checked with um Shima and that was when we did our salary survey commissioner salaries.
>> No, we have to do a separate one for commissioners too. We didn't do it when we did the employees. We did it when some of them were raised. >> Mayor, if I could. >> Yes. Um just we need to keep in mind we already have one of the very highest
mill rates in the state. Um city stats gathered by the League of Cities is a couple years behind. Um but I asked for the city stats. I think we can we can ask for so many. They don't give you the
whole ones, but you can ask for your like what um our attorney has described. You can ask for so many like 40 or 50 in your area, similar size, blah blah blah, and they they do include salaries in that.
>> Um and then you could call around and see what the most comparable jurisdictions maybe have done for whatever. Um but um I'm just very concerned that we have not budgeted for this and we have a
lot of needs. >> Well, I think you know one reason why our military is so so high is we just haven't grown. Okay. We need to grow the city and the way to grow the city is to have more development here, to have more
jobs here, to have you know the whole economic scene here has got to get better. and between the uh county commission and um and our lack of what I call maybe we don't have a drive. It doesn't seem
to to get some of this stuff done. Um kind of keeps us down. And so, uh we we just need to be talking a different different game than what we've been talking I think and and just trying to get some of this stuff done. We're
trying trying to sell this as a great place to live and yet we have so much vacancy vacancy here. It's not funny. So So you have to sit down and figure out why >> and what can you do to correct it and start correcting it. You know, that's all I'm saying.
>> And mayor, I am in absolute agreement with Commissioner Burton. I've said the exact same thing before. Um, and I think we do need to sit down and have that conversation about how to sell this as a
great place to live because the um we have we have a lot of infill that we need to do and we have a lot to offer. Um, but we're hiding our light under a bushel and I think if we don't schedule time for that conversation
um and this then we're not going to address it. So, I think we need to schedule that time. >> And I I disagree with you on that. We're hiding our light around bush. Well, I think we've all been working very very very hard to to make the city to make
the city grow and shine. And it's you've got to get people that are willing to come in and take a chance. And we've had, you know, I've been a business owner and let me tell you, I don't I it's a struggle. It is a true struggle. And when you don't have people coming by
your your your business constantly, you can't survive. And and even with um the TDC, we just had a presentation because they're trying to do a big marketing. They're doing a rebranding for Putnham County and they're trying to do a
remarketing. um and they gave a presentation and one of the biggest things is that outsiders and that's why they said these festivals and events are so very important because it highlights our community and what's
available here and that those outsiders that come into our communities especially here in Platinum County they're really the ones that are helping businesses survive and grow and anytime you have you will see that when you have
something going on in town, when people come to town, they're like, I love this atmosphere. I love what's here. And I mean, I've got two houses across the street from me right now that are pending. Two major houses right there on the lake that are pending. The one to the um to the right of that has just
currently sold. We've got two families moving in here into that into that house from St. Augustine. Um one's a young couple and another one um they're you know, they're retired. They're retired. And so we've got that we've got some
activity happening here, but um I just don't think we're not hiding ourselves. We're trying as best we can with the resources. Okay. There's been other ways that we can try. >> So with this where we are right now, um
I I guess we just motion. >> You're welcome to. I mean, okay, we need some sort of action to take. Um, I move that >> we have the city manager draft a letter code to fix the discrepancy in the
compensation and to authorize him to implement the clause on 99 on ordinance 994 allowing us to get health insurance for paid the cash equivalent of the group policy.
>> Do I can you repeat that please? which part >> uh the whole thing. um to authorize him to write a letter of community code to fix the discrepancy in the compensation of city commissioners and also to and have him instruct payroll to implement
the um health insurance coverage clause of ordinance 904 which is not really our code that allows us to have health insurance or get paid compensation in blue.
>> Okay. Okay. Do I have a second? >> I'll second that. >> Okay. So, we have a proper >> reason. >> We have a proper motion and a second. And the motion was made by Commissioner Lori to direct the city manager to write Munich Code and have them correct the
ordinance um 9904 that they currently have on record with the proper salaries. And then to also instruct um our finance department to go forward with or payroll to go forward with um either providing insurance at
the discretion of each commissioner. Is that correct? >> Um or compensation in LUA that is that correct? Any other comments? >> Okay. So just listen. It's a it's a lot what you just said here. So basically what you're going to do is take this
back down to 500 400 >> and then move it. Okay. >> And then you take insurance or you >> I just want to make sure in my brain >> and if you don't want to get paid that now you can >> opt out. >> Correct.
>> You can absolutely opt out. >> So just my concern commissioner Burton said um something important. She said something about we should ask our finance director to sharpen his pencil and find out where the additional funding would come from. >> But that's
>> I think we the problem with the motion though. >> Well, um >> he needs to do that. The motion doesn't have anything to do with that. >> No, it doesn't. But >> we still follow the ordinance. We start to follow a code that's been in place since 1999. >> Well,
>> so I'm going to go ahead. I think right now in essence of time we we we've kind of beat this horse. Um Miss Taylor, if you would please do a roll call. >> Commissioner Moore. >> I Commissioner Burton.
>> Hi. >> Commissioner Deay. >> Commissioner Lawrence. >> Hi. >> Mayor Myers. >> I feel great. Thank you. You've got your your direction. >> Yes ma'am. So, in front of you right
now, we have um the town of President City. It should be um we've got a couple of things on here that we need to. It's the city of >> Am I the only one that got a copy? >> Yeah. What? >> Yeah. It also says town.
>> What are we looking at? >> I can make that. >> Can you do that real fast? And we need to extend the time of meeting. We are going to as soon as I did he have a copy. >> I think he does have
a copy and mayor >> out. I I grabbed it and gave it to the mayor, but I haven't seen the copy that he produced. And actually I I did this on my computer right here and
there was a gap between parts of the on the first page and the second. I don't know if you fixed that or not. Problem. >> Okay. So um can I get a motion to extend the meeting? >> We extend the meeting 15 minutes >> to 10:15. >> To 10:15.
>> Okay. Do I have a second? So, we have a proper motion by Commissioner Lory to extend the meeting to 10:15 and a second by Commissioner Moore. All in favor, please say I. >> I nay. Okay. So, Commissioner Moore, in
the meantime, um she went to um >> uh yes, Emo, >> emo. I always want to call it emu. Emu. Um she went to EMO um this past weekend and she brought back brochures for anybody that's that's interested. Thank you very
much. You're welcome. >> Well, we told her to bring back stuff, so she did very good job. >> Yeah, she did. So, she's got insurance and a lot benefits. >> Well, when you go to they they kind of review it and it's all in more depth.
Can you get it? >> Okay. Commissioner have some fires. >> Have some stuff. >> Yeah. >> Okay. The key legislative issues. >> Yeah. That was our cards that we used. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We handed them out when we went to
every legislator. >> A little bit more information. >> So, Mayor, I have a question for Commissioner Moore. >> Yes. >> Commissioner, did they give y'all any poweroints or handouts on a three >> budget planning. Did they give you a
three ring binder? >> We can't rely on those. So, we um >> there were some courses that I took at EMO2 and a couple of topics that >> that I did think they did as good a job on for as for my class as they did for
others. So, there's a couple of subject areas I'd look to see sometimes, too. I'm trying not to write in this bind. I don't think I did. >> It's interesting they didn't have this because have y'all I'm sure you
following the legislation where um regarding um homeowners to be able to put another structure on for another >> I think that's going to pass. It passed the Senate. It's gone into the House.
>> It will pass that >> and so and it takes that out of our hands basically as long as it meets >> as long our setbacks. Yeah. >> Which I mean I was on I was on the policy committee last year for code compliance development and redevelopment. And I really felt that in
every city and every person there on the policy committee was absolutely against ADUs. And I'm but the problem is ADUs are not the problem. Um, ADUs are actually a great way to have that missing middle housing option. And when you have seniors that are in homes that can't afford them, you can have a
caregiver move in on the property with you or even rent them out to your your children that might want to come live with you or, you know, they're called granny flats or, you know, there's ADUs are not the problem. In fact, that's why we included them in our development code when we wrote it. Um, it's just they
were so opposed to it because it takes away our home rule. But the problem is that Florida housing costs are just out of out of control and you know there's the only way to to fix it is to have more housing options. So >> the AUS may not be a problem but
>> it's the Airbnbs that create a problem too. But what >> what >> the some of the other limitations or governing ability that they've taken away in the area of permitting is a
problem for municipalities and counties for that matter. >> However, they're definitely um not making it easy for us. >> Okay. So, we got 15 minutes. What do you want to hit? Let's go. So, if you got the one that I drafted
and I don't know if it's got the blank page in it or not because I had drafted one, you know, I had one that was all cleaned up that I sent them on a part, but it's off of my other computer and it's not on this system, I guess, because of something that only the IT
folks can tell me and I don't want to ask them. But you got some blank page there somewhere. Uh after item number three on the second page, >> if you still got that blank, it could be some you could I sent it to him in a word form to the manager in word form.
He could back that up. But otherwise, this is basically basically a u a model of the county's code except except that it substitutes in your uh authorization i.e. section 166043B
which is obviously a municipal um statute rather than the the county statute. Um and it also basically draws off of the declaration of emergency that the county commission chair declared so
that and and a big deal with this is you're going to be sheriff's office folks are going to be enforcing this. You don't have police force obviously. So having a burn ban that's substantially different from the one that the sheriff's office is enforcing
the rest of the county doesn't make a lot of sense, >> right? >> Um and in addition to that, it doesn't make a lot of sense to give authority to anyone other than a legislative person to extend the burn ban. You're talking about something that could put somebody
in jail. I don't think you ought a fire chief and no offense to the fire chief having the authority to implement it. Plus, there were no specific notice requirements under the statute for municipalities that don't exist for uh counties that I have incorporated in
this. The word may not be exactly the same as I did for the other municipalities that we represent because like I said, I don't have it on this computer, but I got the the uh the area covered. So this is basically what the county implemented is substituting in your penalties.
>> Substituting in your statuto authority. >> Okay. Um and what resolution number is this supposed to be? >> I don't know. >> It's going to be the same. The same >> the same one that we had. >> It's resolution 202605.
Okay. That's fine. So we're going to do that. You've got to make the it's the city of Crescent City emergency order. As you come down further at the very now therefore there's a city that's Florida. So just make sure that's the scriveners. >> Where's that?
>> Down at the now therefore says the city of present city Florida. >> Oh, sorry. I misspelled Florida. >> I was just like we are Florida. >> Um so there's that. Do we see anything else in here? And then
>> let's say in clause seven it says this resolution it's actually proclamation or resolution. >> Sorry in number five it says proclamation a resolution be resolved and ordered that number five any person violating any executive order pursuant to this proclamation or any
person who deserves sorry needs to be resolution because the counties was a was a proclamation. >> Change the resolution change it. Whereas >> no number on the last page
>> under the further. >> Okay. So I don't know. So mine just has mine stops at three. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Are you ready to entertain? >> I am. >> Okay. So,
>> I I would move that um the commission adopt uh town of Crescent City emergency order resolution number >> should be the city of Crescent City. >> I'm sorry. I'm just reading it. >> I'm tired. Okay, I'll start over. I move
that the commission adopt city of Crescent City emergency order resolution number 2026-05 regarding open burning during the forest and brush fire declared emergency. with the following changes.
um correcting uh the misspelling of the word Florida in the first now therefore clause. And in paragraph five in the first line um
changing the word proclamation to resolution >> and my name. Okay. And obviously no, right? >> Correcting the spelling of Mayor Meyer's name with one L.
>> First name. >> Okay. So, we have a proper motion. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. So, we have a proper motion from Commissioner Devito. >> This has to pass by two/3s vote. By the way, your authority for passing it without advertisement is the statute.
Okay. >> Okay. And we have a second by Commissioner Lori. Um, Miss Taylor, if you do a roll call for us, please. >> Commissioner Burton. >> I, >> Commissioner Moore. >> I, Mr. Lawrence. >> I,
>> Mr. I. >> Mayor Myers. >> I. So approved. Thank you. And mayor, if I could just call our attention. Um, this has the provisions against parking vehicles with catalytic converters in high glassy grassy areas
>> and right throwing mattress cigarettes or other similar items from vehicles which is all good thing. So, um, we've got in in front of us um you've got the city manager report. Do
we have um does anybody have anything that they have questions? Is there anything that anybody needs to go over? >> Um I just would appreciate it if he would give us an update maybe um by an email about our status and filling positions.
>> Um that would be helpful. >> Okay. Um Steve, you can probably um tell us on the >> AP position you're doing interviews. You've done interviews. Correct. >> Correct. Actually, we just got another resume today.
>> Okay. >> So, I'm going to talk to Sheila about getting that scheduled and and as quick as possible. >> We do have a date on when these things close, right? So that we can make a decision or are we going to just wait and keep >> We don't make We don't make the decision.
>> No, no. I'm talking to Steve. We should have a date where, >> you know, the application is it's done. Okay. As of this day. >> Yeah. It was going to be done today, but we just got this last one today. Okay. Yeah. Other than, you know, cuz >> I know >> Yeah. You can't keep dragging it.
>> Um, if everybody I do have I do have something I need to I just need to bring to your attention and then we can finish this up. But I do need some just some direction. Um, Mr. Taylor, uh, you know, yes, Mr. Robert Taylor the architect he
has recommended it's it's his it's his wish actually that we have a an additional site so that he has um an additional site to to to look at um should this one something
happen with this one. Um he Mr. Harris has identified several um he's identified several lots that are over on 308 actually just right there from Mount
Tabber um the church and uh two churches own those and it would be um more than sufficient space um and so if it's okay I I've spoken to one of the owners Keith has spoken to
the other owners the owners have baked two different congregations, two different churches have said that if that's the case and we're going to do that, is it possible that we could meet and and discuss this? But before we go any further and and continue this
conversation and get anybody's hopes up, and these could be very reasonably priced, very reasonably priced, um I just have to know from the commission if they um are okay with us going forward and opening up those conversations so that they have an alternative site.
>> So what is he afraid of? What what's going on where he thinks that that the site that he's chosen is not good? He's he just says it's always best to have a backup a backup site. >> How come he didn't say that when he was here? >> What the heck's going on here?
>> Well, you know, Commissioner Burton, um I don't I don't know why he didn't say that. One of these sites is already off the tax rolls. Um the other site is not. Um >> I I know. I just It just bothers me that, you know, he's >> Well, because a lot was going on, I'm
sure. and and so I don't know if he really even realized that, you know, everything was being taken off him. I don't know. All I know >> I honestly think part of his program which includes alternative sites, he's checking the boxes and I believe that's
what it is. I think it's just based on if something happens in a geotechnical exploration or other things that may adversely cause the price to go up on one site, it would be good to have an alternative site to to have a another station. So that's that's why.
>> And these sites, this site has all has all the infrastructure that's that's necessary. >> Um >> where where is >> it's just past Mount Taber. um that property, >> you know, it is it's that wooded area
that's headed west on 308. >> So, I have a question. Is he going to do any site evaluation? Is that included in what he's already been to you or what he's already charging you? >> He's putting those costs together now for the site that's been selected. He's
asking for us to just get an alternative. >> I understand that. My question is, is he going to charge you for site evaluation for the second site? I would imagine I would imagine he is. Okay. Well, before you would imagine he is.
>> So, if you don't know the first site won't work, why do the second? >> No. >> Let's stick. >> Well, no. If there's not a vote, I mean, if there's not um I was just before we enter into that conversation,
>> I just don't get it. That's all. Well, so he he didn't contact us any >> he he didn't contact the city manager about this. It sounds like he did. >> He did. >> He did. >> He did reach out. This was this was part
of updated revised summary of work. And so in that summary of work in the schedule, you all asked him, I believe it was you, Commissioner, that had asked him directly about what this all included and what timet was cost that when he got back and was going through
his notes, that was part something that wasn't covered, which was an alternative site solution in case our selection did not work out. That's all. Okay. So, so before we get a plan on second place though, right? We obviously first place that doesn't work.
>> Correct. >> And and wanting a backup for us to know if that's not going to work when they're doing their actual geotechnical investigation, we have somewhere else to go. >> Well, if um to me, this just points to the
benefits of having someone like Mr. Taylor put things in writing to us in the very first place the very first time he comes instead of just speaking it to us because possibly he just left something out and
that that's not beneficial for us. Nope. >> That's why you know put it down a plan of work. Show us what it is. >> Okay. So there we go. Um can I have a motion to adjurnn? >> I move. >> Okay. We have a proper motion to adjurnn
by Commissioner Morino. Do I have a second? >> I second. >> So, we have a second. We All in favor, please say I. >> This meeting is adjourned at 10:11 p.m. Thank you all very much. >> Thank you very much. >> Now, take me home.
You're going to start. >> Now, I have to be a start because I live in St. in >> and I've got a business