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[clears throat] I'm a little slow today. Okay, I'm ready. Thank you. [clears throat] I'm going to call this meeting to order. This is our regularly scheduled um city commission and CRA meeting. The date is August 4th, 2026 at 6:00 PM. Um for

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those that are um a little confused, we do this every August. We um usually have to adjust our uh second Thursday of the month. This is not going to be our standard meeting evening. It will uh return back in September to the second

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Thursday of the month at 6:00 pm. We thank you all for being here. And with that, Commissioner Moore, if you would lead us an invitation, please please stand if you are able. [clears throat] >> Bowhead.

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Dear heavenly father, we want to thank you for allowing us to come together one more time. We thank you for your grace and for your mercy. We thank you for our rising on this morning to a brand new day. We just want to give you all the honor and praise because you are worthy. We ask that you be with us this evening.

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Help us to do those things that would be pleasing your sight. Help us to do those things that would help our city. And Lord, look upon everyone that is here on today. Have mercy upon the sick and the shut in. Bless us and keep us, oh God. Continue to give us knowledge, understanding, and the ability to do thy

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will. These bless acts in thy son Jesus name. Amen. Amen. [laughter] Pledge of allegiance. I pledge al to the flag of the United States of America and the republic for its one nation

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indivisible. The meeting started at approximately 6:03. Uh, Madam Clerk, could you do a roll call for us, please, with the understanding that Commissioner Burton had asked for an excused absence um at our prior meeting? >> Yes, ma'am.

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>> Um, Commissioner Linda Moore >> here, Commissioner Lisa Kane Devito, [laughter] >> present. >> Vice Mayor William BJ Lorie >> present. >> City Manager Derek Martin

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>> here. The attorney Donald Holmes >> here. >> Our finance director >> here. >> Mayor Michelle Meyers. >> I'm present. >> Um, assistant city manager CRA manager

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Bonnie Love and our city planner Mark [clears throat] and myself the city clerk Sharita Belure. We have a floor. >> We have a floor. >> Thank you very much. And with that, I'm going to start with some announcements. Um, so this weekend, we've got the um

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attend karaoke karaoke dinner theater that the Plum City Players are are working on. They've been working really hard. It's a midsummer night scheme. I've heard it's a comedy and it's supposed to be very good. Friday, August 7th. It starts at 6:30 p.m. I was told

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to get there early um because this is a dinner and um theater. So, it's a dinner theater. Saturday, August 8th, it also starts at 6:30. Admission is $30 and that includes your dinner karaoke if you

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will and um comedy night live. So, they've asked that everybody if they can to try to t um purchase your tickets ahead of time and you can get purchase them at the moose lodge. Okay. With that, we have one here. Yes, Commissioner Dita, you have something to

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add to that. I found >> Okay, good. So, let me finish this and then um we have on our agenda, you'll see that the ride solution thankfully through legislative appropriations, ride solution is now back and up and running

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in um South Putham. It has not been here for several months. It has definitely been um um I don't know how we could even describe it what it is for those that depend on it for their medical needs and especially with when Dixie being gone

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for any of those that have to get um some certain groceries that they can't find here currently in town. So there is a schedule you can go on. We've got the bus schedule. Um they're they're running um I believe here in South Putham.

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believe it's going to be Tuesdays and Thursdays. >> It's It's in here. South Putham route. Yes. Tuesdays and Thursdays from 5:00 am to 9:00 a.m. and Monday and Wednesdays from 5:00 a.m. to 3:45 p.m.

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>> Tuesday 9:00 a.m. It says 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. [clears throat] So, um, make sure I think you can pull this up. you should be able to pull this up online and uh but this is just a a really we thank the

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legislature for this. Um we thank the county for continuing to support this and of course for Ride Solution for sticking with it and making sure that they're here for us. Um and then Commissioner Devito, you've got the women's club. >> Um I do. Uh I am a member but I don't

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have the dates memorized so I got Facebook. So, first of all, um, Bunko will be Wednesday, August 19th from 1 to 300 p.m. Cost $6, snacks and drinks. All are welcome. You don't need a

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reservation. Then, um, Friday, August 21st, dinner and bingo, $20. Um, doors open at 5. I think they might want a reservation for that. And then

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the last weekend of the month, there will be a yard sale that will be August 28th. Um, if you're interested in being a vendor, there's a fee for a table. It's Friday, August 28th, and Saturday,

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August 29th from 9 to 3. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. and the Women's Civic Association. Um, they have this Saturday from 11:00 to 3:00 at their building over on 3:08 they're doing the big

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backpack giveaway and they're offering also free haircuts. I believe they have lunch for the children. Is that correct? Commissioner Moore. Um, it's a big event. They'll have they usually have music in there and they have some slightly used items that people have

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donated for the children that might be of interest to them. But um if you have an opportunity, you might want to just stop in. but for the children out there because school is um we're back in session and we are so proud and I don't know how many people have been able to

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get out to the new elementary school and take a tour but um we here in Crescent City and all of South Putham should be extremely um proud of of what's going to be there

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for our children and the as we said the other day it's not the building, but it's the educators. But this building is going to give the educators an opportunity to just lift up these children and let them

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know they can be all they can be because state-of-the-art will be at their fingertips. So, >> we thank everyone. Huh. >> No more portable, right? Portables are all >> and yeah, it's just incredible. The gymnasium is like just the gymnasium alone for the for the children for the

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elementary school children. I can only I wish I could be there that first day of school and you know just to see those their expressions when they walk in that school. um you know the educators have worked so hard to provide for them as

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best they could in the conditions that you know but everything ages out but I will tell you that they have done an outstanding job with this school and um almost almost makes me want to be back in elementary [laughter] school almost. Um so with that we thank the school

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district and we thank everyone because all of your money went towards this. So, um, that's that's a it's nice when you can see where your money's going and it definitely has gone there. Yes, Commissioner Devito. Does anybody have any other announcements that we have?

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>> I don't have any announcements, but I was going to ask for a couple of changes to the agenda. >> Okay. >> Um, we have a lot of people here and our usual order of business. Next would be approval of minutes. Um, but I'm

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suggesting uh since there's so many that we and it's not interesting to most people that we move it again to after the business items. Does anyone is that okay?

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Um, and that is my understanding that we had already decided that the amendments should go towards the back of the agenda just for that reason because sometimes our amendments can take up um a little bit of time and so this time it got moved. So, thank you for for

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recommending that. I was going to um bring that to everyone's attention. So, is everyone in agreement with that? >> So, we'll move them to the back. Okay. behind business sizes and then I have two requests of things that are not on the agenda that I am hoping we can talk

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about. >> Yes, [clears throat] I'm sorry. >> Um it's I think we have set tensibly a town hall meeting for Tuesday, September 1st. Is that are we still working towards that?

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>> We have. And I'm hoping that we can discuss whatever it is that's going to happen before we leave tonight >> on the September 1st. >> Correct. >> And I'm not sure. I have sent out um several emails and I know that they're all right now scrambling trying to get

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everything done requesting that they um send someone and if they don't that maybe they could at least do it by Zoom for us. >> So um >> you're talking about the League of Cities? >> Yes, the League of Cities. sent one out to to Mary, Allison, and Brenda.

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>> Um, and so I haven't heard back other than the fact that they're out of the office. >> I got the automatic that they're out of the office. I know you will be seeing them next week. So, if you get a chance, please, by all means. Okay. >> Um, ask them about that so that we could do it set for the September 1, but they

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are. If that date doesn't work, then we might have to move it. >> Um, but but for right now, September 1st is what we're hoping for. So, Commissioner Lori and I will be in at the League of Cities conference. I don't

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know about Commissioner Moore, but um will you be at the conference in Hollywood? >> That's a terrible drive. >> I don't think Well, >> right. I'm sorry. Any So, that's our assignment. Your assignment for >> Yes, that's your That's our assignment. [laughter]

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>> I'm giving you both an assignment. >> Whoever can Yeah. Whoever can accomplish that, um I'll make sure you have popcorn at the next meeting. Um that and then my second item and maybe we could talk about this during the city manager report or at the very end is just to go over what our

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expectations are for the budget workshop because we have set that for their 25th >> because we had that for >> um at the end city managers. Yes. >> Okay. >> We'll talk about that. >> That was all I had. Thank you. And so for those of you that are wondering what

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the September 1st um for any of you that aren't aware, it's called amendment three. And that is the homestead exemption um issue that all municipalities, counties that we're all um dealing with right now and trying to

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plan for. So that will be just anformational a town hall so that everyone has a general understanding. There's a lot of there's a lot of misinformation out there and we certainly don't want to give any information that that is not accurate.

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So, we've asked the Florida League of Cities if they would come in and if they could possibly just speak and just give the facts and that's all we would be doing would be, of course, sharing the facts with everyone. So, we good? >> Okay. With that, I'm going to go ahead

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and I'm going to open up public comment. So, at this time, we have public comment. Please come forward if you have something that's not on the agenda that [clears throat] you would like to speak to us about. This is an opportunity to share um your concerns, your likes, your suggestions, anything that you have. And

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you have three minutes. We ask that you state your name and your address if you will. >> Hello. [clears throat] Good evening. that they excuse me. So, my name is Marjorie Gillespie and I'm actually from Minnesota. I'm taking care of my

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disabled sister-in-law [clears throat] and we're looking for a place to call home. We were hoping that Cres of the City would be the right location so that she could go [laughter] fishing and I could have my business on the sort. I do

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have a couple of concerns that are pressing. Um, [clears throat] one, um, the reasoning that's being funded right now, who's funding it? Is that a federal

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agency or private agency or are there any NDAs that are, >> you know, concerning the zoning? >> You're talking about the central business district. >> Central business district. >> Okay. And then the other part was I don't understand how I can't have a

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residential living on the lower level because it for me it would be actually easier to [snorts] get out in case of a fire emergency whereas if I'm up on the upper level especially with her it'd be very difficult. Is there any >> Does your house fall within that within

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the central business district? The place that you're looking at, >> we could get some kind of a permit or exemption or >> is the place that you're looking at though is that within the central business district, >> it's it's zone commercial and residential. >> Okay. >> So, I don't understand a lot of Yeah.

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All I know is that there's a lot of reszoning going on and then I was trying to get into the offices to get some um of your information from your meeting and all the doors are locked. I mean, do you guys have a crime problem or

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>> We actually don't. Um, thankfully, this door is always locked unless we have a meeting, >> right? Because nobody's here, >> right? The next door is locked and we've asked that you go to the far door. And so, you said it was locked. >> Well, that one was just where um you

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could pay your water bill, correct? And then down from there was your license plates that you or your license that you would get. And that's >> that's a different office. That's the county annex office. and that's in the next building. That's in another building over um one block over.

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>> But the bu place where you go to pay your bills, by all means, anytime you need anybody, go in there for the city. Um that would be your city to get your licenses, that's going to be the county. >> And then like if I want to get the minutes to the meeting, is there like a library where I can go through and kind

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of look at different? >> You can request them, but you can also go online. So, all of our minutes are online if you go to the city of present city, >> but you don't have any library where you can go and >> we have a library um and you can pull it up on the computer there or you can

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speak to our clerk. You can go to the office >> and ask to see the clerk and see if she can get you a copy of the minutes. >> Okay. Thank you very much. >> Absolutely. And the gentleman right there, Mr. um Mark Brett, he is our city planner, our contracted city planner. he

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would be the best person [clears throat] for you to speak to about your about the concerns that you have with the reszoning. >> Okay. >> And we hope you and your sister decide to join us here in Pres. >> I do too. I mean, I love the um [clears throat]

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the city. I was just kind of surprised that the main street was so empty of shops. Um, >> and that's one of the reasons we're looking at the central business district to do the resoning to make it able to uh >> because I kind of like I I like that

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idea of being able to walk, you know, throughout the area. Yes. >> Kind of go to my hairdresser and maybe, you know, a jeweler or maybe, you know, a little boutique or something. >> That's what we're trying to do. >> That's what we're trying. And it used to be back in the day it was like that. It

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was a very walkable community. And we're trying to we're trying very hard to bring that back. and and to live in that this area right here is very convenient to to a lot. So >> So there are no federal grants that you can actually rely on right now by any of that.

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>> Well, not we're looking Well, we're doing the best we can. We're looking into everything that's available that's available that's available to us. >> Okay. >> But and if you have any suggestions, by all means, this is our city manager. You can speak to him as well. >> Yes.

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>> To Derek. So >> very nice. Thank you very much. >> Oh, absolutely. Thank you. Okay, we have anybody else? Okay, I see nobody else come forward. We're going to go ahead and we're going to close public comment at this time.

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And with that, um we have on here the presentation by the South Putham Christian Service Center. Um there's a funding request and this comes under our community um portion that we have in our in our budget. So

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does anyone have um I'll entertain a motion. Okay. Um I believe we have a letter in our packet. Um I don't know if they understood they were supposed to be

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here. Um, but I would move that we um make a donation to the South Putham Christian Service Center um in response to their request in the amount of $500 um

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from the 82 private organizations. >> I'll second that. >> Okay. So, we have a proper motion for a donation to the Christian Service Center, which is we have taken done this in the last few years um in the amount of $500.

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Proper motion in a second. Do we have any discussion? Commissioner Moore, any comments? >> Yeah, I just wanted to say they have um a letter uh in our packets that say how many people they serve. is a considerable

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amount. Um they send us a report every year with members. They do quite a bit of private fundraising. They have a golf tournament and the oaks. They actively uh seek donations from individuals and from uh companies and and to sum it up,

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I think the economy is worse. I just saw that somebody I know who has a job posted online today that they had gone for the very first time ever to the South Pepper Christian Service Center for food. And of course they say in their letter that um without Dixie they

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no longer [laughter] a donor entity. So it's it's named when Dixie has always been a very big supporter and as a matter of fact Miss Kitty was here when we honored Larry. was one of the first ones and they

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actually gave a lot towards his gift. Um, for those of you that, you know, they do a great service. They're here on Tuesday mornings. I believe they start about 10:00 and they go till about 1:00 I believe somewhere along that 10 to 1 um right over here at the Presbyterian

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Church uh on South Prospect Street. Also in your billing for those that um would like to help them additionally, there's an opportunity when you pay your bill and um we do collect money for that too for those people that would like to

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round up and give and give that way and the community actually has been um um pretty generous with that. So that's that's um but anything we can do to support them because they do feel um a

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need here that um is much needed. So thank you. With that, Miss Sharita, if you would please do a roll call for us, please for the $500 donation to the Christian Service Center. >> Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Moore. I >> Commissioner D. I

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>> Vice Mayor Lori. I >> Mayor Myers. Hi. >> Okay. Thank you. Are we So, we're going to move on to the sheriff's office, but the sheriff is not here at [clears throat] this time. Um, are you going to do it? How are you? >> I'm waiting to see an email. I supposed

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to send it over. >> Okay. >> And to see if we can do it. We have to probably run back to it >> with And and that's and that's fine, too. I know with the change in schedule. >> Yeah. >> And so, anyway, so at this time, if everyone is okay, we're going to skip over the sheriff's office report. I'm

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going to close out our recess, this current meeting, and open up our CRA meeting. At this time, it is approximately 6:27. Um, >> okay. So, y'all are up. >> Thank you.

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>> [clears throat] >> Oh, it's on. >> Yeah. >> [clears throat] >> Are you ready? [clears throat] Mayor, vice mayor, commissioners. Today we're going to look at the central

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central commercial CRA projects. I've given y'all a handout already, >> so I'm going to go ahead and get started while we're getting the slideshow up. The first one is 512 Central Avenue.

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It's for a roof replacement. The owner has been provided with the Shipo guidance. >> He said that the project is going to maintain historic character. He's making a significant personal investment.

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Uh the future of retail space, eery, Airbnb, and boutique. That's what he would like to to have there. Um the lowest bid was $37,500 and the maximum grant award is $20,000

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and we're recommending this come out of ARPA. >> And the remaining ARPA funds that we have available. >> Yes. Okay, >> for any of you that um if you would as you go through here, if you would kind of describe I know we've got the addresses, but for somebody in the

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audience or listening, just describe the >> This is the building that's straight down across from the thick store at the very end on the right hand side A and B. And um the question >> he was he would like to make do the roof

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on there so it stops getting rained in there. He has had to get a lot of I actually know >> he has there's rain in there and so it's really >> he had to get a storage unit for all the toilets and sinks and things like that

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that were in there. He has received the information from to do part one of the um >> there.

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>> Oh yeah, there's one this building here. So while he's working on the building, he would like to do the first side first, the smaller one first and then run out the first smaller side to the left.

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>> Should be able to address. >> Okay. >> We have any questions about this? >> You want to go back to that, please? >> Mayor. Yeah, because as we go through these moment, let's go ahead and address any questions we have about them while they're out there so we don't have to.

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>> Well, this is really for the whole commission and um Bonnie or Miss Lee can correct me if I'm wrong or Commissioner Lori. Um my concern is this is one of our um historic buildings on Central Avenue and

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um our CRA manager and commissioner Lori and I just got back from the preservation on Main Street conference and I focused on the historic tax credit process and the guidelines because you

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know we are supposed to um only make grants for historic projects when the historic character of the building is being maintained. And the way the process works is they really want you to submit

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your application for guidance before you start making the changes. Um, in fact, one comment by Rick Gonzalez, the architect, who is our architect, is um, if you have to put a tarp on the roof

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until you submit your plan. They said, um, do not just start demoing if you have a building. Don't just start doing things. Um, submit your request for approval for

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your plans. And for this building, um the historic tax credit is only for commercial buildings. And I would think it would be very important for this particular [clears throat] um building because they're looking at

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future rental space, restaurant or Airbnb or boutique. The federal tax credit is 20% of for qualified um changes over five years. That's very significant. So,

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>> so before you go before you go any further, Bonnie, do you want to address that? Because I believe he looked into that and he declined. Did he decline? >> At first he did, but then he did receive the information that he is filling out to

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coach. >> Yes, >> he um so he is looking into it. >> Okay. So, Gio is looking into >> Okay. Right. the mayor. My concern is that we ask him to show the approval from the shipo for

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what he has planned before he starts doing it. And we have time because the ARPA money needs to be spent what by the end of the year, right? >> Um if you have a roofer lined up if any

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changes need to be made. Um, and the other thing we learned is that um, adaptive reuse is an art, not a science. I think one of the other applicants was here wanting to know what the exact rule is. And one of the things we learned is

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is that it everything is put in context. You have, they know you have to be able to meet the building codes. Um, it depends on what's going on around you. But anyway, the main thing is if we are going to keep to our requirements and as well um these requirements are replete

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throughout our comp plan. Um I was just looking at our comp plan and there's an overarching says city shall provide protection to historically significant areas and structures and then there's a number of policies. So I would hope that

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we require him to document that whatever change he wants us to fund is approved by the state historic preservation officer. He is still waiting on the structural engineering report. So for the trusses, but right now he just wants

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to make sure that it doesn't have any more damage in there. >> Right. But there they said specifically you are not supposed to to reoo. You're supposed to put on a part while you submit your plan. if they if started if

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he started and he's filling out his part one, then there's no reason we can't go in and approve this pending that. >> Well, that's what I'm saying that we don't we don't fund it and approve it if pending the proper approval from the

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state historic preservation office. >> But what if he decides that he does not that he does not want to get the tax credit that he just wants to get this done? Right now, he's trying to secure this building. We're so fortunate that somebody bought the building and they're actually doing something that has been

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sitting here for years. >> Lapidating. >> Um, and I I understand that, but >> we want to preserve our historic district. And you do that by asking people to consult the state historic

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preservation office. He doesn't have to take the tax credit if he doesn't want it, but he can apply to them for the guidance on how to make the changes. Okay. So, I'm going to go to our city manager who I I asked to make sure that you spoke to the people when you were

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there [clears throat and cough] and so about especially this one about the roof and so please share with us what your takeaway was from from him. I mean the takeaway the state first of all said that they don't get involved they don't get involved on the on what people

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do. People can do what they want to do. Depends on what they do is if they get the credit if they're interested in going through the paperwork. Um the state also said that other cities um set up separate funds for specialized historic areas that when people go in and we have these type of um needs that

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the city can also help pitch in. Those are other cities that do they have different funds that they've set that up over time. In regard to this particular property, it is totally up to the owner and the last time I heard that he was he was not um in favor of moving forward with the state and getting credit. This

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is the first time that I've heard that that changed tonight. >> He just emailed me today for the application first part of it because it was hard to open from the website. So I was able to send it to Rick and Mr. And and one thing that they said too is it's

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just every individual property and project is is separate ordeal and they feel that the owners need to reach out to them for guidance but they do not set in stone or tell people dictate what what to do. That was that was my takeaway.

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>> Oh okay. They are not the police. We are the ones charged with maintaining the character of a historic district which by the way um I remember that you um spoke of Nancy Harris after her

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passing and talked about how visionary she was. This historic district was her creation. Um, my takeaway from the conferences are keeping your historic district, keeping the integrity increases the overall

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value of the individual buildings and the town. The state is no, they're not going to make anyone do anything, but they will provide the expertise and we have in our comprehensive plan all kinds of

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statements that we will do everything we can to maintain our historic district. You don't have a historic district without contributing structure. So for um Gio and 512 Central Avenue, he has the ability to um fill out the

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application with the state historic preservation office and they will give him guidance on what his roof should look like and they are used to helping people. That's what they do. They love this. They want people to be successful

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in adaptive reuse. Um actually I wish we had done the conference review first. Uh we sat through slide after slide of beautiful renovations of buildings that were almost destroyed that have turned out to be beautiful valuable

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increase the property values around them and focal points for their town. So, I think um it's in our policy that we are not supposed to fund changes um that take away historic characteristics

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and I don't think it's too much to ask that people just apply for the guidance. I think it's key to maintaining our historic district. >> If I may, Mayor. >> Yes. >> Um you jog my memory and I appreciate it. Thank you. I remember talking

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specifically with Mr. Costa about this property because the roof is a flat roof and because it's not visually seen from the road. He was specific that best practices are used for for items like this that it has to fall within of

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course the Florida building code. Then he brought up about there's a historical building code as well but the parapet or the coping would have to be unchanged. the roof section. That's not anything that we should be >> Well, that was my next question. So,

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from a historical standpoint, what kind of a roof is he supposed to put on this? Because it obviously is a flat roof. >> Correct. And they want best practices for the building. So, if he's wanting to put in a type of roof that is, and I forget, I'm sorry, EVPM, I forget the

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flat white roofing, that's the roll out. That's typically what you do on flat roofs. best practices would be to save the building which would be putting in the best [snorts] the best roofing section. I wouldn't say that going back 150 years would be the best roofing section compared to technology we have

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today. But I wouldn't touch the coping. That's the historic characteristic. But we can't see what's on top of the roof. And I had talked to him about that and that's where he said we don't dictate that. >> Okay. So that's what we discussed. >> Okay. But my concern is if he if you

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don't have instructions in writing and you don't have the specific guidance, these aren't issues that we can solve here today. Like another applicant kept saying, "Well, what do I do? What do I do?" We're not the people. You have to send them the photos. They will ask

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probably for the building, for the context, and they will give him the guidance. And then he will have it. And then the worst thing that can happen because I've been through this with people who want to work on my house is somebody you hire a contractor who doesn't understand the importance of

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coping. It's just very important to do your paperwork, get your expert instructions and then you can move forward with confidence and then people won't come through later and say, "Gee, this would have been very nice area, but they screwed up all the buildings."

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Yeah. >> And that's that's already happened in Crescent City. >> Okay. >> Commissioner, >> sorry to me it seems like at this point we need we're talking about the grant. Um and if they've already applied or asked for the applications or applied

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for the shipo whether they go forward with the federal tax credit or not, they're at least asking for the advice of the shipo at this point. So they're at least interested in continuing the historic character of this building. Um, so a lot as far as I can see, they if we

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give them the $20,000, they're going to use that for that purpose. And being that it's a flat roof, being that it's not a roof that you can see or as long change the put a, you know, a pitched roof on this or something like that that would obviously change the character of the building, then we're going to be

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it'll be fine. Um, so my biggest thing is we've talked about these grants forever. we need to get this money doled out and let things happen because we're not going to meet again for another month and that's just one month closer to the end of the year

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and that that money expire. Um so do we need to do each one of these separately or we just going to go through? >> We're just going to go through at the end I'll entertain a motion. Okay. So I think what we also need to think about um [clears throat]

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I just went to old historic town spent a week there last week um and the buildings I I I took notice of the buildings and they've done an outstanding job with trying to keep

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characteristic of a historic building. But I did notice that they've had to go in and do things such as the front doors. They're not the original front doors, but they've tried to do the best they can. Um, and I think

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at some point we have to have some um all I hear is that why are we not filling Central? You even stated that, you know, why is there not something on Central Avenue? Um, well, this is a prime example.

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here somebody has invested they're buying this building we are trying to help them but they're going to have to jump through a lot of hoops and at some point somebody you know they just give up and they're going to take their money somewhere else and I think we have to

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kind of find a balance here that we're we're thankful that somebody wants to invest we have I've been sitting here for almost six years just hoping somebody would want to invest on Central Avenue and to make Central Avenue, a walkable community just like with what

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we're trying to establish with this resoning to where there are places where you could go to where when people come and visit that there are interesting shops and eeries and [snorts] um and and we've we've just got to

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figure out a way we've got to figure out a find to find a balance. So, if that's if he's trying um to do that and he wants to try to follow those guidelines, um we thank him for that. But I I think

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at some point um there's going to come a time when they can't do that because it's going to be cost prohibitive for what they're wanting to do. And we have to just make sure that we are have some flexibility

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here to understand that what's the benefit of if they're going to keep the look of the building, if they're going to do all they can, is it more beneficial to us to wave some of this and allow them to go in and do

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that without understanding or continue to hold them to a strict standard. Um, so I'm just saying that as we go forward. That's all I got to say. That's mayor. The standards are not necessarily that strict. And if we don't

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require people to get the expertise and the recommendation, then we're really just throwing up our hands and saying do whatever you want to do. And if we let one person just do whatever they want to do, then half the buildings will be

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gone. Just like on South Main Street, >> they can do whatever they want to do, but they should be incentivizing and doing the right thing, which is what I was saying. They're already applying for the ship, they're going through the process properly. I that to me is

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encouraging. So, they're at least interested. So, instead of us sitting here and trying to slow it down, we need to be trying to help them. and he needs he needs a roof because if if he does get a roof, it's going to be just like the Miller building that was right here in the middle that is no longer here

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because the roof. Well, they addressed that and I had a tarp on our house after Irma for nine months and it protected our house. It was just fine. And they will

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give him an answer >> and that's an expense too. I mean, you have to remember that's a big building. So, that's a big carat and it's a flat roof and that's very different. So, when you've got that water pooling anyway, let's move on. If you would, let's go to the next building.

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>> Okay, this is Mr. B's house. This is across the way right here. Um, he is working with Austin Historical. They came yesterday and um evaluated his windows and gave him a quote of $21,000. He is prepared to pay the difference

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just to get the windows restored. >> Okay. >> For the 11 windows. >> So, he's going to keep them and they're going to restore them >> a standard restoration and clean the glass as best as they can. >> Cool. >> That's great. >> Some of the glass, my my understanding is going to have to be replaced. And

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they were going to replace the glass. >> That doesn't count with this $21,000. >> The glass does not. >> No, they're just going to clean it. >> Well, no. He said yesterday when he was in there that some of that glass would have to be replaced >> for the heritage with the new glass.

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It's going to be 40,000. >> So, um >> so he's going to he's going with the $21,000 quote and he can pay the difference. >> Okay. >> He can pay the difference. He can't do the $40,000 one because if he is the $20,000 grant [clears throat]

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from the um >> but the point is that Austin Historical is restoring the windows he said yes replacing them with windows >> and he's also going to put in for another grant next year to possibly replace the glass if that's something that needs to be done. >> Okay, great. Well, that's that's

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wonderful. That's a success. Let's hope it continues part. And you said that he's a and he is >> he's already put in the >> the federal. Okay. >> Yes, he is. >> Great. And that's perfect for the project for that. >> Okay. >> Any other questions on that?

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>> Okay. >> Okay. This is uh two South Summit Street. The request is $12,000 for painting. Um the [clears throat] >> the quote uh the quote also has some additional repairs that they're going to

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do. This is the building right across the street from here. Um she would like to rent it out as a coffee shop, bakery, smoothies. She wants to get some tenants in as soon as possible. Uh she has some

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ideas on the color scheme that uh that she'd like to do. She said she doesn't really care what colors they are um [snorts] as long as she just wants it painted. I have some colors here.

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I have a question about that. And >> is here May I ask Mr. Cler a question? Don't we have for the downtown for the CRA or the historic district, don't we have architectural standards that include colors?

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>> Uh [clears throat] yeah, the answer to your question is yes. >> Okay. So, in other words, instead of us approving colors, isn't that supposed to go before planning and zoning or the city manager or you to see whether it

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fits into the standards that we have? [clears throat] How does this work when we have >> Yeah, it it does depend what they're doing in terms of how their their entry point is into the process. So usually end up dealing with me if they're

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expanding the building and then you know I go through those things with them. But yes, we can work with >> I know I I don't remember which you said the name of the >> Oh, Mrs. >> Yeah. So So we can miss and I'll get

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with you. Like there there's probably a number of things that we need to talk about in terms of just rules and regulations and kind of [clears throat] you know help these two programs you know co >> just please promise me it won't be

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[laughter] >> she wants something bright because she's >> I mean I I love what she did the one up on on you know there I mean it's just >> it's it's life >> it's life it just brings life to it and

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and it so please make sure >> that um I'm I'm just pleased that she that she um provided a color palette that she's interested in. So, [clears throat] and so that's only $12,000 is what she's

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asked and that would take care of will that take care of the all of the exterior painting? >> That will take care of all of the exterior painting and some repairs and doors >> and to show you. >> And um I love those colors. Yes. Of

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course. My house is that color. Um >> so does she does this include also the back building? The little building in the back. >> Does that include the back building? You know, she has there's a separate building in the garden behind

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[clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> on an exterior building and out building. Yes, it does. >> Okay. So, that's and you verified you've verified with all of these that their licenses are in good standing with DDPR.

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>> Yes, I do. >> You have any questions? >> I I do. So, um, when we did the field trip and we visited all the applicants, um, I [clears throat] think a concern that some of us had was that the

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building is pretty much kind of a shell. And so I'm wondering, I mean, is it really appropriate to paint it first? Um, because there really wasn't much there besides a metal exterior. I mean,

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is she going to spend the rest of the money to build it out? And wouldn't you build it out first and then paint it? >> Not necessarily. >> If I may. So, the plan is to get the building aesthetically pleasing. She is going to and already has several people

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that are interested in the space. Uh, as someone who's going to rent those spaces out, she is going to have those companies do the internal buildouts for what they need. So, she doesn't constrain the type of business. she's open to several different businesses that would, you know, um that would help

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our area of course and complement the central business district. So that that's the plan and that's that's what we've been discussing from this whole start of the process >> and and that's very typical. I don't know if you've ever rented done any commercial lease spacing, but oftent times especially in plazas, you'll see

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the plaza and it's all painted. you walk up there and you look in the window and it's a dirt floor and so the bill out is up to the tenant to um to take care of. So that's pretty much what she's going to be that's her plan. >> Okay. But it just seems like it's a

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little risky. I mean what I saw Yeah. when you go to a plaza but there's a building with walls and electricity and plumbing is any there's no walls. It's just a metal shell. Um There's limited There's

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limited electricity and plumbing in that facility. >> Yes, there is. There's a bathroom. There's a bathroom in there. It's not ADA compliant, but there is a bathroom in there. >> I'm I'm just saying. Anyway, I'm a little worried that

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>> So, how many supposedly each >> she wanted? Two businesses. She wanted to divide it into half. >> Okay. >> And um So, >> it's really pretty. >> Yeah, I've had a lot of people asking

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about that. Everybody always asking about that building. They want to rent it out. >> And I believe it was on the previous slide, but just as a reminder, and I want to make sure that you do it on the slides, let them know which ones are targeted and historical. This one here is targeted building.

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>> Obviously, it sits right here at the at the center of of town. And I think just to get it painted um that that would be, you know, because if I was leasing a space right now, that would not be a place that I would be looking at face on

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the exterior. So hopefully um hopefully she'll get some responses. I know the one gentleman that was going to do it, it was at one point before her was really pretty um cool what he was going to do. was going to have, you know, an eery in there and he's going to have a

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um the bar tap, you know, where you go and you tap your arm and you can >> can go and you can fill up your your your glass >> for whatever you want to fill it up with and and he was and it was really pretty a neat experience the way he had it that

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it was going to roll up the doors. So hopefully she'll get some hopefully she'll get some takers. I know she's she's really eager to get it to get it leased. Thank you. This is 429 central. Um replacement of

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the steps $7,500. Maximum allowable grants 20. It is >> targeted >> historic. Historic. The owner is updating the exterior which should be done within the next 60 days.

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He's got his permits. He's got his existing uh business and also plans an Airbnb contractor D&J McDaniel construction verified active. >> And you're um recommending to use AR funds for this? >> Yes.

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>> Okay. Does anybody have any questions on this one? >> Make some statements. >> Yes, sir. If you would like to absolutely please come forward. >> Okay. [laughter] >> Thank you for being here this evening. >> Steps. >> Um you can state your name and address.

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>> Ron Millard 431 Central Avenue Crescent City Court. Um very grateful to the committee for approving $18,000 replacing all the windows at least for

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the front part. We had already replaced others in the bag. Uh that did not cover everything. There was quite a few more expenses beyond that, repairing wood, that sort of thing. Um it's been sitting there for a long time. But we didn't

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want to do a peace meal. We wanted to do stuff all at on one time. We're at that point right now. We're we're very close to do that. Matter of fact, I just had the county inspector come with make sure everything's good to go on that. Um

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uh so you know it would certainly be a help for the for the stairs and that would be appreciated. Uh I will have to get with the find out what colors are available because we will be picking out colors this weekend and we didn't want to do

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tan either. So >> thank you. [laughter] So you got we'll get with the appropriate >> person but um I would really like to put that now all all the the uh estimates and

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that was the lowest uh all the estimates were for wood. I would really like to put a steel walkway apparent that actually was replaced about 10 years ago. >> So that was >> Oh yeah and we painted it and it looked very nice. I got pictures.

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>> So it the sun >> tears it down pretty quick because it gets that >> and beats beats down. Anyway, just just speak out on that. But anyway, that's where we're at on. I know there was concern about finishing up the stuckco

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again. We're we're very close on that. It was a matter of funding and [clears throat] so we have that probably now and we'll be getting contact any other questions that you might have from me. >> Does anybody have any questions?

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>> Um you said that with steel what we >> I would like to do steel but there I had none of the none of the estimates I had brought in were steel but um it was very short time. uh the one fellow that's in the area that I could get that I could

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get to it, you know, in that time. I would prefer steel. Um and but and I don't know we can do do about that at this time. I'd never price on that. >> I would be well certain willing to kick

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in money because I think steel is going to last a lot longer. Again, these stairs were replaced not not all that long ago. 10 12 years max >> because we we all went out there and I mean you can tell they're in bad shape. >> Yeah, it's

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definitely >> they'll hold you. They'll hold you away. >> That's something we'll have to we need to talk about if um >> but also um I just want to say compliment you. Thank you. I went in the I went in the inside

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>> downstairs and and they said that was your handiwork and that you you did you did a really you did a really nice job in here. >> Yeah. And yeah, downstairs upstairs we put a lot of time and effort into the building. >> What you don't see is the back side is

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now a warehouse structurally. We had to do that one whole side wall. Everything was con so we had to tear that wall out. Anyway, a lot of work over the years and we're looking forward, really looking forward. I think the building is going to really shine

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once we get this stuff going on here. I'm excited about >> Thank you guys. >> But thank you. >> All right. >> Okay. This one is 404 central. um to replace this sign and some of the

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um siding. >> We were unable to get any quotes for this one. The owner did say that he was prepared to do a 50% match if he gets a $10,000 grant on it. and

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that's going to cover sign hardware and removal of some of the facade that's rotted and the materials will be purchased through its hardware. >> He also said that he probably won't be starting any work until the fall because

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it's possibly October. >> Okay. So, I have a question about that. Um, so this is um, by the way, thank you. I like the way um, this is organized. All the ARPA funded projects are first so we can see which ones they

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are and hopefully they come out to the Red Mount. I'm sure you all added them. Um, what was I going to ask? So, if it's ARPA funds, we have to have them spent by the end of the year. I mean, if he

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doesn't start till October, can he get it completed so that we can cut the checks by December? We we've talked about that and and him and I have had a direct conversation on that. Yes, ma'am. They can be they can be taken care of. >> Okay. And then my other question is um

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this is an historic district and the CRA. >> Um should Mr. Baldrick also be consulting with Zeb Cohen about the ar the architectural color guidelines?

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>> The signs do have to go through, >> right? the signs, but also the sighting. I would assume whatever painting or colors >> it's going to change the colors. There's some regulations associated with that based on. >> Okay. >> Make sure we follow the guidelines.

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>> Okay. >> All right. There's what? >> A duck. >> A duck with ducklings. Crossing 17 right there. Oh my god. >> One more lane. Thank you. >> It's duck hunt season.

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Either either it's the same ducks or there's more than one duck. I'm sure maybe they're coming to visit you. Well, they didn't stop at my house. They just walked by. >> So, let me know they're safe.

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>> Folks, if you wonder why I look like that, there was because just as they left the lane closest to us, a car went by about 40 miles hour and missed a whole family of little dudlings by about this far. It would not have been great.

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and we have picture window to >> Okay, so let's um let's continue with Ace Hardware and and again um I'm sure if anybody can get this done in a timely fashion, it would be the gentleman that

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has all the lumber here in town. >> Yes. >> So I I I feel very confident that he'll get this taken care of >> and and I am just happy that he has applied. I mean, he is the centerpiece basically of the side of >> Central Avenue and it's been a while and

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I've talked to him every time I see him about doing the store and I think it'll be great especially just to fix the a missing. >> He's got a and he has a lot on him right now with the Futland store and with um so I'm very pleased that he's willing to

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do this at this time. So >> we're very happy to help. And I think that is one of my questions and the reason I asked about the timetable better is because um you know these people are very businessoriented they follow their own

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timetable and I don't know that you just have to make sure >> that's her job that's her job to make sure that's her job to make sure that it gets done everybody safe. Mostly >> thank you. >> Thank you. Great.

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>> Sorry. >> That's okay. >> Um, okay. Let's move on to the CRA funded project. >> Um, >> 311. >> Does she have how many left? >> The other two.

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>> She's got two. >> So, just one. >> This is 311 North Summit. Uh the idea here is to repair the one side of the driveway and to add another space. We

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just got an extra quoted today and it was for $5,000. Uh she's eligible for $5,000 with no match says they do. We have any questions on this?

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Well, I guess my only question would be um is that so they're going to keep the concrete driveway? >> Yes. Okay. >> They're going to repair it and expand it for a few more spaces up to about 500 square ft of new concrete. >> Okay.

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>> My only concern is making sure that you know they're meeting the whatever the pvious and impervious you know lot >> lock lot coverages. I just and I know it's kind of weird considering it's a commercial and residential. I don't know. I I just want to make sure that

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she doesn't pave [clears throat] that park or that front yard cuz all the water's going to wash off onto the, you know, Highway 17. We're taking that in consideration. >> Uh this one is 11 North Lake Street. These are the apartments down the end of

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the road across from >> the um it's to replace the six windows on the south side of the building. The lowest bid was

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$5,135 for the for the six windows and she's prepared to pay the difference if she can get the $5,000 with no match. Okay. >> I know it says that the windows are are

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nailed shut. >> That's the wrong side of the building. >> Would you I'm sorry if you would come forward. [laughter] >> The same. >> Yeah. Um, it's the other side of the building

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Sanchez, um, owner of 11 North Lake Street, Crescent City. And it is the other side of the building, uh, previous owners had their rollup windows, the Miami rollup windows, and I I'm assuming

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because at some point they all broke, they nailed them all shut, so they wouldn't have to replace them. So, um, the tenants are able to open the front windows and the back windows, but the bathroom window or the side windows,

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which is all on the side, they can't open them. >> And so, you're talking about it's it is the south side of the building though. >> Side that faces central. >> Yes. Cuz this is my side where I live on the bottom. And at some point those windows were updated

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to a different type of window than the Miami rollup windows. So So they're not shut nailed shut. They they open and they function. >> So I figured, okay, the one that really needs it for safety

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>> is the other side. Um, but it is the other side. 2017. >> Okay. >> Well, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Do we have any other questions on this project? >> Um, that would require a a permit from

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the county. Um, >> so you'll make sure Yeah. It's more than one window. So, just make sure >> that with any of these you're going to make sure and follow through. Correct. And helping with the permitting. >> Yes. >> Okay. Because permitting is going to take time if any of them are requiring

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that. for that. >> I said it should be like for light, right? If you're replacing the windows, >> so it shouldn't take too long. >> It's still a process. >> You still you still have to get approval. >> And it depends on the type of permit. They're they're a little bit um I

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wouldn't say behind it. They they're some projects [clears throat] take a little bit more time than others. These the ones that we have should be fairly quick >> and oftent times the window company. So I don't know who's any of is the window company that she's working with. Oftentimes they'll do their home permitting

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>> through the county. So they'll do it on her behalf. They'll do it on her behalf as a contractor. So >> this is 3 113 North Summit Street. >> Um the sale is pending on this. It was Mr. Peacock's

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>> place. >> It was the furniture store and um he's selling it to The laundry mat. >> The laundry mat. Yeah. Pointat laundry. So, she would like to put in her laundry

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um business into this building. Um she needs to upgrade the electrical and the plumbing. We got uh electrical bids. The low bid for the electrical was $21,600. Max allowable award is 20,000.

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Um the electrical contractor has been verified active. >> This one they're recommending for next year. >> Recommending recommending it for next year but just because the sale is not complete yet. >> Okay. Do you know when the sale is going

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to be complete? >> She said at the end of August. It's just taking longer than it uh she thought it would. >> So she made application and not the current owner. >> The current owner made the application. Okay. But uh she's been working with him

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to to buy it and and you know it's her idea to make it into a laundromat. >> Oh, Mr. Peacock put in the application, >> right? So they put in the application. So that's who we would be dealing with at this time. So and Okay. >> And the layout of the electrical design

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schematic was was collaborated between the two parties and that's what that's how we came up with the 21,000 >> figure the lowest bid for it. >> Okay. They're working together, >> but we are recommending this

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>> um >> and we were we are recommending this for the next cycle. >> I don't think it was yours. I don't think it was. >> So So my question is is with her wanting to get in there and open up, how is this going to how is this going to impact? Do you have you don't have any timeline

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from anybody >> for her to open up the business yet? >> Yes. Oh, well, she's she's trying to get it as soon as possible, but she just needs money for the plumbing. She's trying to get this loan, and so I don't know how all that's so, >> you know, how

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>> it's still a long time frame. Yeah. >> Well, >> it's at least 3 to 6 months at best. >> At best. >> Okay. >> She wanted it sooner, though. >> I'm just trying to go as fast as she can. She's working with several contractors. Well, she can't she won't

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be able to do anything until she gets the electrical with what she's putting in there. So, with whatever she does, this is going to just just so you everybody knows with whatever she's going to do, I would assume this is going to stall her from going forward

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with her with her plan at some time. >> So, um when do we feel like we're going you're going to be ready to start the new cycle? >> Uh Bonnie and I both talked about this. We we would like to have a workshop with the commission and and see what the process is going to be this year, but

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we'd like to start in October, November for this next cycle. I mean, get on the road and hit the pavement. So, >> okay. >> It's just keep in mind that you started on this in March, >> correct? >> And we're in August,

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>> right? >> So, the amount of time that it that it takes to get the applications in, to get everybody educated. So, just keep that in mind. And um >> we we have built a backlog um which you'll see some others recommending for next cycle. However, there was u several

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applicants that had already opted out or pulled their grants that said they wouldn't be in the next cycle. So we've counted that in our budget for this year uh or this next FY CRA and look forward to to putting those out. We'd like to start the process November. And if we can start that, then

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that gets us into working sometime in January, February, starting just instead of starting in March or May. >> Steve, how much are we estimating that we would have in the next budget cycle for CRA dollars? >> In the central, it's about $90,000 this year for redevelopment grants.

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>> I don't have the totals for you, but I know the central what we're dealing with $9,000. and and I do know of some current businesses that are active businesses here that are looking to do some major renovations and other additions to their businesses. So, we have that

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>> this is 315 North Summit. >> Oh, yeah. >> Uh she's asking for a roof replacement. The uh max allowable grant is $5,000 or up to 10,000 with a 50% match. This is Alice's design studio. She did

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not have the full 50% match. She does have 25%. So telling came in with the lowest quote for $12,600 verified active. We're recommending her to apply for next

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cycle. >> This is 111 North Summit. This is the old music store. The owner intends to make part of the building retail part of Jim. He's actively working on the interior of the building. The low quote

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was by Jack's Builders out of S St. Augustine. Uh the eligible CRA grant amount of $20,000 for flooring. The low quote was $35,855 and the owner is prepared to pay the difference.

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>> How much how many square feet are you talking about? Yeah, it is big. It is a big building. >> 400 >> 560 ft. >> Do you know what kind of flooring? >> 4,68. >> 4,68. Do you know what kind of flooring

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they were looking at putting in there? >> Yes. >> Here. Come forward, please. >> Hi. Um, and you can state your name and your address. >> All right. Uh TJ Gonzalez, address 111 North Summit Street and the other

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building also 2620 US7. Yes. Um uh we the floors would be half carpeted tiles and the half would be the LVP or the retail side. >> Okay. >> Yep. And um I was also wondering about

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the building behind me. Is that a historical building behind? >> Yes. >> Are those is it for sale? No, the city owns it. We We're actually working on We just got plans drawn up to fix it. >> Okay. >> To rebuild it. >> No problem. Yeah. Um everything's

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costing a lot. I have to do the the electrical. I have to redo everything on that one. The ducting, it's got new air handlers, but there's no ducting at all. So, everything's been just So, any little thing would help with the with the flooring because they said it's uh

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within within the age where there's asbestous. So it has to be encapsulated. So that's why they're >> Okay. So that's why that that makes sense why the price >> is what it is. >> Have you owned the building this whole time? Are you Would you were you the one that bought it, cleaned it out?

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>> I just Yeah, I just No. Um a realtor purchased it. I just purchased I closed on it maybe two weeks. >> Oh, no. >> Yeah. Whoever cleaned it out, they are a metal. >> There's a lot of stuff on it. Yeah, there's a lot. There's still like walls

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and walls of records. >> Oh, really? >> And display cases. >> You can do some really cool things with this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um >> display cases. >> Oh, yeah. Display cases. A lot. A lot of them. >> Um so they left all that. They left the display case. >> He sold everything else. Um but yeah, he

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left he left me display cases and vinyls. >> But um yeah, everything's adding up. And since I did finance um you know, yeah, everything helps. You're doing it on your You're doing it on your own, >> correct? >> Okay. Well, we um first off, we're

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excited about the fact that you're bringing the gym into town and it'll be walkable for a lot of people to get to. And I guess this will also allow you to have um >> controlled air. >> I know that right now it's just coming

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out into the return. [laughter] >> It's going straight. So that will be I know from the people that you know have been down there >> has been down there. >> Yes. >> So we're excited. We are excited about that. >> Um >> and so what is your time? What is your

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time frame? What do you think? >> Um I'm trying to be open within three months. So um but the flooring is the one that really I didn't think it would cost so much with the encapsulation everything. Let's say I put everything on the ducting, >> but um but now I have to do this and the

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bathroom. I have to get those done for the gym, of course. >> I know. I'll have to show her a little bit more. Just save some more money. >> Did they give you the option to just put the floor over it? Because a lot of times, you leave it, you're fine. >> Yep. They said um I could put it over

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it, but it's best encapsulated first, but I don't know which. I got to check with the codes. I guess they were checking and they were emailing me on that one. >> You say encapsulate. Are you putting say a layer of concrete over top of it? >> Some of them said concrete and there was another chemical they were using. I was

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just getting >> Yeah. Just to level it out. >> To seal it. So they got to seal it. That's what just in case. So they took a piece of it for testing and I guess it did come back as >> it did come back.

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>> Yeah. >> I'm sorry. Does this price at 35,000 is that is that cover the cost for the encapsulation as well? >> Oh yeah. Well, not not the whole thing. I mean, but I'm willing to shoulder some of it. >> Okay.

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>> Some of them I got them as high as 60,000. >> So that's So I just Yeah, I had a couple people come out, but the lowest one was at 35. And when you you said that half it's going to be retail, are you planning on sliding right down the center or?

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>> Uh yes. Uh where the those post are. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And because there's a door on each side. I've already done I've taken out the grid ceiling on one side and um not sure yet what they wanted to do with the gym on that side before I did anything.

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>> Okay. And but you're going to do retail on the other side, >> correct? >> Parking, what are you That's the thing I was wondering about the park. I do that's why I was asking about that um the building in the rear and how much because I wanted to concrete some of that in the back but also I wanted some

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grass but um I wanted to see and with the new re reszoning I guess you're pushing up the the sidewalks so I'll use those parking in front or >> not too sure. Oh, honey. >> Yeah, that that's not the plan. Mark can

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talk to that effect. >> Yeah, Mark can. >> All right. >> Our new reporter for anybody that's that's interesting why I'm walking through. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Um

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Okay. So, well, thank you and and again, we we see that there's work going on over there. We see your vehicle over there all the time. Yeah, that's the other building. We're shipping. >> Yeah. And I'm opening a U-Haul on that one, but that's not part of

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>> Okay. That's not Yeah, that's outside the city limit. So, >> so you're doing a U-Haul down there, >> correct? Yes. >> Okay. Well, good. I love your entrepreneurial spirit. >> Thank you. We need more of that. >> We need more of that. So,

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>> Okay. Right. >> And it is good to know that that's a primary roof on that building that we >> pay for. >> Yes. >> Before Yeah. >> So, we know that's going to be in good shape right now.

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>> Yeah. That's >> Yeah, that's >> okay. So, that's that's the end of your presentation. >> Okay. Thank you. [laughter] So, commissioners, we've got um and that would that take care of I mean

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does that should be another sheet that you have there may there after >> a new sheet that came in this afternoon sheet correct that would be great and just guide them on what the recommendations are again and what the totals are what we're left

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in both ARPA and our central The blue stuff. >> Yes, sir. >> What you have right there? >> Right now behind you right here underneath right there. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Looking at it the whole time.

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>> That's what we're talking about. Okay. >> Okay. I was looking at it. >> But I believe you have. This is the updated one. Correct. So you have an updated one. It should be at the back of Is that correct? >> This one here. This one. >> Well, there was one in our packet, our

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original packet. So then we had one on the here on the >> right. That should be the update. >> That's the update. Okay. >> So we have in the CRA we have $3,000 $3,193 remaining and 500 in the ARPA. >> Yes, ma'am.

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>> Okay. after these recommendations. [clears throat] >> After these recommendations, where are we on the ARPA as far as the hydrants? >> Um, what are we expecting? I know because we didn't take the full amount that we had available. >> Yes. So, right now, we're going to be

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left with 17 to $18,000 in that budget if we only spend 70,000 out of those funds. Currently, I believe there are three or four hydrants. The prices that we had before were astronomical. to ask you to reach out to our contractor that is working in the city right now to hit

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prices. We're still waiting, but we tend to leave on a price that was half the cost of of of the hydrants from before. And we do have a move for another hydro among union, which we're also going to include with uh with that work. We should be able to get them all done with the money that we have and probably have

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a little bit left over. >> Okay. Um [laughter] Okay. a motion. >> Well, yes, [clears throat] if I get if I can get if I can get a motion, then I want some discussion. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um I'd like to make a motion.

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>> Okay. >> So, I move that we should we do the ARPA and the CRA set. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I move that we fund the staff

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recommended projects uh from ARPA funding for 512 Central Avenue. Do you want to set the amounts or just for the recommended amounts? >> You could just say recommended. >> Okay. for the recommended amounts for

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512 Central Avenue, 338 Central Avenue, 2 South Summit Street, um 429 Central Avenue and 404 Central Avenue.

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Um provided that for the historic structures um we have verification that the modifications will maintain the historic character and that will include 429 Central Avenue because that is historic

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and as well that um all of the projects all of the work done um have the proper permits insurance and [clears throat] follow any applicable city guidelines. >> I'll second that.

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>> Okay. So, we have a proper motion in a second. This is on the AR of funds. Um, we have any discussion? Commissioner Moore, do you have anything? Does anybody have any discussion? So, we've got a gentleman that is ready to

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start business um right here. And he's being moved to the next to the next um I guess the next cycle. Is that what you're anticipating? >> Yes. >> Is for him to go to the next cycle.

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>> He can't do anything until he gets his flooring taken care of. Okay. Is there any way, and I'm just throwing this out there, commission, for us just for discussion. Um, is there any way that with that ARPA that we have

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remaining that we were going to hold out for the hydrants that we could um and and Mr. Mr. Holmes, please make sure that that I'm not doing anything that you know that I shouldn't be with this,

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but is there anything that we could do that where that could possibly come out of our better place budget? Um, do you have between you and Steve with those hydrants and so that we could possibly fund um

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the new hydrants come out of >> Okay. >> to free up. Yeah, I have a request. Yeah. Um, I think this is a perfectly great suggestion, but could we vote on a

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motion in front of us and then address the other complicated one? >> If that's what the commission would like, >> I guess we can absolutely we can absolutely do that. >> If there's no further discussion on that, then we can do that. And then then

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I I would like to have that for discussion. Um do we have any public comments before we Okay, seeing no public comments. Um and there's no other comments here. If you would please do a roll call for us now. >> Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Devito.

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>> Hi. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi. >> Mayor Myers. >> Hi. >> So, >> okay. Thank you all that have just been awarded that. Um, and I know Bonnie, you'll look worked with all of them to make sure that we meet the deadlines.

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Um, I just I just think that the whole purpose of this is of course to get businesses up and running here in town and that's what we've been asking for and he is going to put a a gym there. He can't do anything until he gets a flooring. >> I agree.

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>> And um and so, you know, we've got someone with some entrepreneurial spirit. he is trying to make an investment here in town. That that building has been sitting vacant except for when the music store had it for many years and and pretty much um he

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had closed it down except for on appointment only. So both of those buildings there have been and that's what you see when you drive through town. So my question again goes back to we've got ARPA funds. Um that was for

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economic. Is it possible that we can use those and take the hydrant? >> I um if I could Steve please correct me if I'm wrong. Uh currently right now, as

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of last week, my report shows that we have repair and maintenance of $25,700 left in the central CRA. I was going to utilize those funds for purchasing some of the signs on central

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central our flags. We talked about that about $10,000. I can hold off on that till the next FY out of that budget rather than touching the ARPA. I would like to just get approval from you all to move these funds $20,000 out of this

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whatever the max grant is out of that line item because we have it in central CRA right now. I can reconcile that easily and then if it's the wish of the commission to support that project, we can move forward that way. [clears throat] I have I have the funds in CRA just in

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another line item that I'm not utilizing. >> And the U floor repair is inconsistent with your CRA plan. >> It's consistent with the CRA plan. I would just have to move dollars from the

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uh repair and maintenance to the redevelopment grants and then we have we add the money there and it would be >> so we would have to approve first we'd have to approve the movement of that and then secondly we'd have to approve the um >> if if you all approve

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>> right correct >> so he doesn't currently have a application he does it for the full repair as well he Yes. >> And he's met all the requirements. He's met all the requirements. They've just put him off till they're talking about

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putting him off till the next cycle. >> Yeah. >> And that would still leave $5,742 in that line item. >> Yes. Commissioner Devita >> just my question is um the city manager

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does not want us to um move the ARP money that was designated for fire hydrants to another use. I want to leave it the fire hydrants. We're we're actively [clears throat] working on getting those hydrants. I believe there's either four or five left at

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$3,500 give or take. We're talking about 15 to $17,000. Uh, so we need that that money there and I have to spend that by December 31st. >> I would rather I like the idea of moving the money within the CRA funds, >> right? >> Other than trying to

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>> That's our Well, and I understand it, Mayor. There's quite a bit of federal paperwork and maybe um the fire hydrants, you've already filled out paperwork indicating that we're spending a certain amount on them. >> Yes, ma'am. [clears throat]

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>> Right. And those will Like that's not a good paperwork to >> No, but this is all part of like this could fall into the economic development. This we didn't have this funds. We took those funds from other project. >> I get that part, but I also get it's federal paperwork and if the city manager doesn't want to move things

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around. >> I I understand that. Um so, >> okay. So, um so there we are. My only other question is um we have so many needs and um I floated the idea in the

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past that we should use some of this money for a loan. Maybe we pay the interest. I think other municipalities or CRAAS rather do that. Um and I'm just wondering in future if that is not a way

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to make the money go farther. And I think that that's absolutely the way, but right now we don't have that program set up. >> Just saying this kind of highlights the ongoing need, >> right? And we've talked about that and I think that as we workshop it as as Mr.

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Martin has asked that we could do we could do something that would some some would qualify absolutely for that. And what I was thinking particularly this building which you said he owns outright >> you know is an example of a potential

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candidate. >> It would be it would be. >> And then my only other question is um you know and did we we voted right on the motion? >> Yes. on on your original notion you asked us to and we did

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>> um 338 Central Avenue um the building next [clears throat] to 512 on West Central along the Arches and then the spray house um in our historic survey were all deemed national register

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eligible individually and the one building that I have not heard anything about nothing about the owner being contacted the response from them whatsoever is this break house and I don't hear anything about that. I

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mean, do we know um and I I just bring this up because you know it's a it's a key sort building and I' I've just not heard anything.

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>> Well, have they ever have you? >> I have not spoken to him, but I'll make sure to >> Yeah. And he's pretty active over there. is um with that property. I know, but my understanding too is that they they were wanting to sell it. They had it up for

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sale for some time. >> That was a long time ago >> and but it needed some some um some extensive work that was needed to be done on it. So, um anyway, but what we've got at hand right now is um and I believe you sent

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something out, didn't you, with everybody regarding the grants. What's that? >> I went around town. I I went and tried to contact everybody that I I could. >> But right now at hand, we've got this for discussion and and those other ones

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in the next round. Commissioner Devito, you or or or >> can take that or you know, Miss Bonnie can take that and and speak to those owners. >> I mean, I don't feel that I'm supposed to. Well, then you can asking

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to to speak to those owners that you have some concern in with that. So, >> just haven't heard. So, we're talking about Mr. Gonzalez's building is 111 North Sun Street. >> Is that Is that a correct? >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. So, I I mean I can make a motion. We're ready for >> Okay. Keep in mind how how we talked about how this is going to have to happen. >> Exactly. So, um I move that we authorize

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uh city staff to or rather I move that we amend um the CRA budget to move $20,000 from available funding in the Say that again. Which line? >> Maintenance. in the repair and

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maintenance line item um to the commercial grant category, redevelopment grant, the commercial redevelopment grant category. And should we make two separate motions? I think so. So that's my motion. >> Second.

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>> Okay. So we have a proper motion and a second to move um from repair and maintenance $20,000 to the redevelopment grant program. Do we have any discussion? Do we have any public comment on this? [clears throat]

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Seeing none, madam clerk, could you do a roll call for us, please? >> Yes, ma'am. Um, Commissioner Moore, >> I. >> Um, Commissioner Deito, >> I. >> Vice Mayor Lorie, >> I. >> Mayor Myers, >> I. >> So, approved. >> Okay. Thank you. So, approved. Um, and

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then as a followup, I would move that, um, we approve the funding request by Mr. TJ Gonzalez for his building at 111 North Summit Street for funding from the

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CRE development grants in the amount of $20,000 for the purpose [clears throat] of flooring and provided that he meets all the grant guidelines and and implementing the work. >> I'll second that.

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>> Okay. Okay. So, we have a proper motion to award Mr. Gonzalez at the 111 North Summit Street $20,000 for the flooring project that he has for this as long as he meets all the proper guidelines. Correct.

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>> Correct. >> Okay. Do we have any discussion on this? And do we have any public comment? Okay. Seeing no public comment. Madam clerk, if you would please do a roll call. >> Yes, I am. Commissioner Devito. I >> Vice Mayor Lori >> I >> Commissioner Moore

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>> I >> Mayor Meyers >> I approve. Okay. >> So approved. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you all. >> Thank [clears throat] you all very much. >> We look forward to seeing good things come from all these projects.

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>> So mayor seems like you have there were two stock recommendations um that were presented that we did not yet act on. We haven't done the um for the CRA where we jumped ahead. We did

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right the new money place but we haven't done the other one. So we need to finish that up please. >> All right. Um may I make a motion? >> Yes. Okay. Recognize promotion. All right. Sorry. You can do a lot of work. So I recommend [snorts]

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um rather I move that the city fund from the CR funded redevelopment grants um for the central we're still in a central

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CRA. Correct. Right. for >> um for 311 North Summit Street um up to $5,000 for driveway repair and adding uh

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one or more new spaces [clears throat] and also for 11 North Lake Street that we approved the request um for the window replacements and for both of these provided they meet all the

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guidelines and requirements um for our projects. Sorry. Under proper motion to [clears throat] fund out of the CRA um out of CRA um money 311 North Summit Street and 11

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North Lake Street um for both 5,000 for each which is the maximum award without a matching grant. Is that correct? >> Okay. And I have a proper I have a proper second. >> Do we have any further discussion?

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No discussion. Do [clears throat] we have any public comment? I see no one come forward. Um, Madam Cler, >> uh, Commissioner Moore, >> I, >> Commissioner,

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>> I, >> Vice Mayor, >> I, >> Mayor Myers, >> I approve. >> So approved. Okay. So, thank you again. Thank you all very much. Um, and with that, I'm going to go on and we're going to continue. um our CRA I believe you have um that there is um regarding the

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Main Street um conference that everyone went to and then after that I'm going to take a a short recess so we have something on thatformational right >> is it just information

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>> okay I said some of it but I would um I would like to comment about the the um was the preservation on Main Street conference. Um you can read about it in the packet. Um and last year we did a wrapup those

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who went there was and I'm sorry in my write up I left out the fact that the city manager was there for the first part and he and I kind of >> and I notic he didn't make a picture either. So I was really I really kind of I kind of questioned whether or not his attendance was there or not but he assured me that he he attended. I'm

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like, well, you didn't make the picture so I could get into the classroom, >> right? The picture was at the end. He did an incredible amount in the day and a half that he was there and then rushed back to take care of city business. But

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anyway, um a highlight um and was the presentation by the Hastings Main Street. Um they have used um the state historic preservation guidelines to do

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their signature building and um they've also used um St. John's County has the ad forum tax credit. That would be something that both Crescent City and um Putnham County could enact that can give

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folks um a reduction on their abalone taxes with the improvements. Um the Hastings Main Street um central project investor said that was a great help to them. Um and they restored a building that was in

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terrible shame. absolutely terrible shape. Um, also they um I wrote this up. I sent this to um Rachel Kavanagh who's the president of Downtown Partnership. Um I think there's a lot to learn from a very successful

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main street that's not too far away. They're different some ways, but they're the same and others. We all have common challenges that we face. Um, and as well just I really think um this is the second preservation on Main Street

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conference I've been to and it really is um it's surprising me that the downtown partnership has not focused more on redevelopment and financing of redevelopment. I think and there's a lot

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the city can do. I think we're leaving for our buildings in need. We're leaving a lot of money on the table and I think it's very important that we look into adopting the adorum tax credit. It wouldn't hurt us. I think it could only

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help us. And as well, I think that a priority should be to become informed or find to educate property owners about the federal income tax credit that's intended for commercial buildings. And I

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look at commercial buildings down Central Avenue and I just feel that's absolutely money left on the table. So there's more that we can do for ourselves and I hope we start making use

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of tools that other um other municipalities CRAAS and counties are using very successfully for uh adaptive reuse redevelopment. was just outstanding.

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>> So, thank you. Thank you. A student has done a great job. They also had Sal Sally at the helm and Sally used to be Catherine. >> Um, so Catherine's doing so that's Sally. So, she is um she is she is someone definitely that is schooled in

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this and and plus they have the big investor and that's been very beneficial to them too. And so I think we've kind of shared back and forth between Hastings and our downtown um back and forth. I know with Christina she has um

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with them as well. So you know we wish all of them much success. Black also has reactivated theirs >> and they've been in and spoken I know he's been in and spoken to me before, but um they're working on it, too. And

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it's it's it's you know, it's really beneficial. I mean, I I want to compliment um from the get-go ours. Mary did an outstanding job when, you know, she stepped in and and started the with the partnership and

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took that role and now she turned it over to Rachel and really and truly they did not have um you know it was [clears throat] everybody was learning. Thankfully we had Charles and he was so well schooled in it and he guided and

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directed as best he could. But um you know I think with what they've done and now I I hope with this new move that it's going to reinvigorate um that and that people you know it's it's also being part of the community and volunteering and anytime you have an

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opportunity to just go out there and be part of the community and get involved in these events. Um they're very rewarding >> and especially when you see how the community enjoys enjoys that. So, they're learning and and I'm not going to ever take [clears throat] that away

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from them. I appreciate all the volunteers and the hard work that they have put into this program and I've been to many of those um you know conventions and they are very beneficial and you always you always walk away with new

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information and invigorated and energized and um and it's and it's I think it's up to everybody to keep that energy going. Um that's that's the biggest concern is you come off of any conference and you're excited about the

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opportunities is just being able to keep that energy going and so it's as best we can support them we need to support them. Mayor, I have a question for the city attorneys and I just wanted to share with everyone. Um, I sent this uh to the

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downtown partnership and I sent it to um my fellow board members except for um my fellow commissioner BJ Lori. Um the um National Trust for Historic Preservation Summer Magazine has a wonderful article.

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This is a national magazine on Dan Main Street. It's called Good Bones >> that tells about the history of the Dan Main Street and what they've achieved and how they did it. I thought it was very good article. A lot to learn from

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there. Um, Mr. City attorney, you've cautioned me, don't send things to people uh on the commission. Can I send this to the clerk or the city manager and ask that it be distributed? >> Sure. >> It's just an article, correct? >> Yes. >> Yes. On on the land. Yes.

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>> Yes. So, it's on land. So, um I will show >> there was another article distributed last night at the main street at the um at their board meeting um regarding the land. And of course, the land was your first main street in Florida and they've been the most successful. I grew up in

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Dan. took guitar lessons downtown to land when it was called dead land. [laughter] >> And um >> and so they have done as an incredible job and I'll tell you that's really what inspired me when I really um started

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talking about Main Street here and what the possibilities could be um when you see what they what they what they've done. But Athens there the article last night was about the Athens. >> That's the one I sent them. Okay, that's the way I sent Okay. >> Yes, because I sent it to

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>> I don't know how many of you ever went to Athens Theater, but Chitty Chitty Bang Bang there was all Chitty Chang Bang and then it went into disrepair and it's absolutely beautiful. >> They held um the Main Street conference there a couple of years ago and we all

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got to go into the Athens and it's just it's it's really it's really they've done a great job with it. So >> maybe we can get um see if Irwin would revamp the old theater over here. [laughter] >> That would be nice. It would be. It would be. So thank you for sharing all

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of that with us, Commissioner Dvito. Um and do we have anything else? Anybody else want to add anything to you? >> I I would echo a lot of what she said. We we need to have a a wrap-up meeting like we did last year. And they actually this year was really great. They

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actually made sure that all the presentations were loaded onto the website. So I spent the last evening downloading them all and looking through them and reminding myself about some of them. It was really a lot of information, but it's really great. And I think one of the best things is the networking that you do and people that you meet because now we know face to

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face and people know my name and Tallahassee that I've been working with and stuff like that. And so it it's really good that you know who you can talk to now. And um it just it's a very small community and you know same people that we saw last year. It was nice to see some of them again. Um, and I

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learned quite a bit about the federal tax credit to feel like I could do it myself now. So, >> maybe you can. Maybe you can. >> But it's a lot to it, but it's just really interesting and it's all different all over Florida. We are lucky that we have a very new state, but we have a very old state, too.

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>> Um, there are a lot of really neat places in this state that are being destroyed if you're not careful. Um, especially in central South Florida, they're gone. So, we need to save them as much as we can. Hang on to them. >> Well, thank you all for taking the time to go. Um, I heard that, you know,

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everyone enjoyed Coco Village. It was village this time. >> Neat restaurants was hidden around there. >> Neat place. Close out our CR >> just an announcement on there. There was just one line that that um CCDP downtown

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partnership and big dog would not be moving forward with Marcus Square was something that we were going to bring back to this meeting and just let you know that is that is now >> Thank you. >> done. >> Thank you. Because it did get tabled to this meeting. >> Yes, you did. Yes. Thank you. That's all I had. >> Okay. With that, I'm going to go ahead

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and now I'm going to close out our CRA meeting and I'm going to take a five minute recess or maybe a seven minute one as before we open back up for regular schedule. Thank you. We have seven minutes is up. Just check that.

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>> I need to say sevenish. >> When I used to own a business, I always yell at me a little bit. Are we ready for the lights on? Are we ready? >> Yeah. >> Okay. This meeting is back in session.

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Thank you. We're going to move on to our um you going to do our sheriff's report for us? >> Major had a had some issues. So, thank you. All right. So, I I do not have the background in here, so we're just going

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to go through the slides. Um, we had a miscellaneous tools were stolen from a residence theft 7:30 West Grand Rondo. Next slide, we had traffic activity was at Palmeta Street in Oakwood. There was a vehicle that pulled onto the same path

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of another traveling vehicle. And you can see um I believe this is our six-month view. So you can see calls for service uh this month or July was 213 calls. When we started this that February 6th month we had 191. You can

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see where it's starting to track down. Traffic stops there were 40 traffic stops in in the month of July. We had one traffic incident which I just told you about. In moment um reports is 12 and our arrest was four and uh I believe warrants was probably serve served two

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warrants. Okay. The next would be robbery, we had zero. Burglary, we had one. No car thefts. Theft, there was three aggravated assaults. >> No, that was for the last. We had one. We had >> zero. We had zero. >> Zero theft.

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>> Zero murder. >> Yes. Zero theft. Sorry. Three. That was in June. I apologize. Aggravated assault zero. And then um and so one total change here. >> Big reduction. >> And that's all I have. >> Yes. Big reduction in crime. You're

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giving me that chance. >> We are so thankful. >> Thank you. >> We are so thankful. >> Mayor, I have no question for the city. [laughter] >> Really? You sure you can't find one? >> You make a note for the record. [laughter]

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>> Make a note for the record. Okay. Okay. Thank you for that. And so now we're going to go and we're going to open up our public hearings. So we're going to start with resolution number 202607. Would you like me to read that? >> Yes, sir. >> Resolution number 2026-07,

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a resolution of the city commission of the city of Crescent City, Florida, adopting a uniform lean reduction policy for code enforcement cases, providing for strict requirements, establishing uniform criteria and procedures, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, and providing for an

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effective date. Okay. >> Do you want to >> I can quickly discuss this. Um, we had taken out the 14-day rule. Um, this was more a blanket approach. We also asked the city attorney to review this. And

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the notations that were made in the last meeting have been added to um added to this to the uh to the policy. And so that's what you have in front of you as well. So we're haveing we're asking for this to be approved. We move forward have uniform way of approaching these

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lean reductions as we move forward. everybody's people and playing field. >> So if I could add um there were questions I had included comments in the policy

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>> that's attached to the resolution and I had comments for discussion but uh there was a point made about that at the meeting. So I took the comments out and I fixed uh the

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policy as to those items that I felt legally uh there was there was a path that that I think was the correct way to to move. In other words, primarily uh

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under appeals, um the u since the commission is making the final decision, there really isn't a body to hear an appeal. Um because you know, you

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you are final agency action. So there wouldn't be a city body that would hear an appeal of your u decision. So um the traditional method then of seeking review of final agency action in

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Florida is by petition for rid [clears throat] of cersari with the uh circuit court. Um and it's outlined with regard to timelines and everything else and the four rules of civil and fel procedure. So I that's what I did under

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eight took out the comments that I had in there before and your language on the language that was in there before and I simply stated that appeals of final decision of the commissioner regarding request for leuction file with the circuit court judicial circuit in Fort P County by filing a petition of sorcer in

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accord with Florida rules of civil appeal procedure. Same thing you do with a decision of a ZVOA. Um, if the code provides that, uh, it is a final decision, not a recommendation to the

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commission. Um, and other than that, I eliminated some a couple of things that seem to be in my opinion that seem to be redundant because it seemed like you wanted something specific in here for you to then decide. I understand you may

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change more things here, but at least I think what's there is um in my opinion more appropriate. So the and then all I did with the resolution was I changed a [clears throat] couple of the sections that before where you had that um you know

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that that policy for quick resolution and 100% forgiveness and stuff like that. With elimination of those, I eliminated the corresponding elements of the resolution and just simplified it a little bit. So that's what you got. You can change it however you want. I

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understand it's your your policy and um but at least now there's a blueprint that I think hopefully you can work with. >> Okay. Thank you. We'll entertain a motion. >> I move that we adopt resolution number 20267. >> Second.

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We have a proper motion in a second. So now we can have discussion. Um, does anybody have some questions? Anybody [cough] questions or discussion on this? [clears throat] >> I just have a comment if I may. >> Yes. I still think that this boxes us in

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and doesn't really address um the issue of properties that come to us under a contract of sale. And I had suggested that we be able to wave these requirements if it would be financially

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beneficial for the city and or the neighborhood around it. But um the rest of the commission didn't want to do that. So I guess we'll just go for I mean I don't recall that the rest of the commission didn't want to do that because that's commissioner war said

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that would be the same as what we have now. So that was not accepted. >> So that was one commissioner that wasn't the commission. said well I mean nobody else said he was wrong so I just took that for I took silence for agreement so

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anyway so so that's I have a concern about it I mean I certainly understand that we wish to treat people fairly and not um you know give out lean reductions willy-nilly but I am concerned that when we have a really problem

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um we may not have the flexibility that we want to take advantage a a good offer, but we can see how it goes. >> We can see how it goes. >> So, that was one of the questions I had, Don, in that um how limiting is this? Somebody made a comment to me on the

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street today that [cough] you know the concern they have is that we and we have done this that there's been some that have come before us and we've just completely wiped them away for whatever reason. We know which ones those are. and um with code enforcement um what

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opportunity do we have in a situation the way it's currently written that should like this in there about have making sure that all the proper documentation is submitted but you've got somebody that it is a sale and um a

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perfect example was the one that came before us not long ago that it would absolutely improve the surrounding ing area um if somebody was to come in there and buy it and clean it up that for us

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to be as lenient as we could be. Now, he was willing to pay a good portion of that. So, do we have any do we have any leniency here or do you even recommend we have we have anything in there or let this go? >> Well, it's your policy. Um, and of

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course you can change it too as time goes by. But first of all, uh, you're you're taking a long-term approach to a lot of what I see you do. At least that's my opinion. Your

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approach on historic buildings is not a short-term approach because most likely it's going to probably in the short term discouraged development in your in your historic areas because uh

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devel spending money to fix structures in a historic fashion is more expensive than than spending money to make a structure um suitable for in general terms for use. Most of the

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development I saw here tonight is outside your historic district. The people that came with with uh request for money, but you've adopted a long-term policy that says we're going to endure the short-term pain because we think there's a long-term gain. That's that's your that's the decision for you

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to make with code force. Remember, code force was not a break even proposition. You're you're funding folks to go out and do this job. uh if you have to if you do go to court that costs money. Um so if you don't get some return off of

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violators then basically you're just in my opinion you're you're not you're not you're not making an effort to help code enforcement at least defer part of the costs that it occasions. So, I I question whether or not you're really

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getting a bang for your buck when you forgive fines at 100% value. >> Um, I just question that. Um, now what level you do right now we have you can't do it more than 90%. So, you can you can go to the 90% reduction which is pretty

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sizable for instance you can't go below 50%. >> Okay. Um because their thought is look if you know you can get a 100% reduction where the big incentive for you to do anything let the fine go as long as you want to doesn't matter that the commission is going to wipe it all out

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anyway. What does that do for the neighborhood while that property is sitting there? So, I guess you can argue all sides of it, but um but from my perspective, I I would hate to see you adopt a policy let you go 100%

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forgiveness. Now, as far as the pending sale thing, you know, um if you want to develop some criteria for that, we certainly can. um the the uh you know, as long as you you have

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that provision in there that states that if the sale does not go through and [snorts] then if the if the violations aren't corrected within some given period of time, then the fine reverts back to what it was originally. Um

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otherwise now you did well last year I think where you guys went ahead and did a 25 as I recall the $25,000 um fine or payment in lie of the accumulated fine and it was done before

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sale and it was done before repairs but it worked for you. >> It won't always and so you know and and there's risk in everything you do. So if you said if you say, "Hey, I I think we need to have something built in there for that." My

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only my only caution is if you have it there, you're going to have to extend it for income. And then what happens? The people say, "Well, I'm going to sell it, so I'm not going to worry about fixing this stuff. I'm not going to worry about correcting the code violation because if I get a buyer, then they're going to let

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me go and reduce the fine, you know, uh, as as a condition of the sale." My experience has been that most of the time when there's a code lean, it gets factored into the negotiations for the purchase price. Maybe not always, but if

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if I'm going to buy a property, there's a lean on it. The face value of the lean's $50,000. Okay, I look at your policy. I know there's high likelihood I won't get a reduction, but I'm going to be bargaining for some sort of a, you know,

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a reduction in in the purchase price and I'm going to make the application for the lean redu the lean reduction after I bought the property and I control fixing it. But as I said at the outset, um it's [clears throat] your policy. Uh and and

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you know, you're entitled to to implement whatever whatever theory or concept you'd like. The factors that I've put in here, I think, are generally accepted as legitimate factors in order to be determined in considering lean

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reduction. But please note, it doesn't specify that these are exclusive. It specifically states that they should include but are not limited to the factors that are set forth which gives you room to consider other things. U but

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it also means that when you start a consideration of lean reduction you at least have to look at the list that you looked at every time somebody else came in for one. Um, and that's so that was my concern is having consistency

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and uh so that everybody feels like they they have the same the same factors are going to be considered when I come in as when Derek comes in or Mr. Veto comes in [clears throat] and something isn't brought out from outside you know out of the air because that's where you have

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you have challenge you have a a built-in challenge. So that's why I put those factors in. I think somebody had questioned that last time, but but you know, we'll change it however you'd like it. >> That's why that's why I'm asking you because I'm I want to make sure that

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what we what we have here. I I feel that we absolutely have to have a policy um in place and I would even go over 90. I mean, I I like the fact that if you were to do um I like that blacka does 50% and

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if people knew that um you know it might it might get their attention because we have been known and our code enforcement board was known for that and and now we you know have to be so cautious and we just did that recently and I I tell you

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I walked away from it and I I said I'm I wasn't comfortable with a decision that that was made when we zeroed out a property and and I understand there were circumstances there, but if we have a policy that we have to adhere to and

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follow, it's like following rules. I'm a rule follower and you know and so thank you for doing this. Thank you for the time. I know you've put a tremendous amount of time in this. >> That's quite all right. and you know code enforcement and and I'm Derek I'm you know you and I have had

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conversations about this over and over and over again and I don't want to be hard and difficult about it but we've got to be stronger in our code enforcement in it just in itself because it affects everybody. It affects the

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look of the city. it affects the value of the neighbor's property and um you know so we that's something that we really here in in this city I mean I've complained about that for almost six years that yeah I know it's hard it's a

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hard job >> but at you know it affects everybody >> and sooner or later if you haven't already and I think you have already because I I believe I saw it here you're going to have folks from the outside coming in to make purchases not for

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their own use >> but for resale you know speculators which fine I mean that's the American way but if they're banking on making a bargain and then getting a bargain >> only one that's profiting is the

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speculator >> well well and that just recently happened to us because we >> while we didn't zero it out we did reduce a fee they didn't close but in the meantime time that person had it out

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on the market, the buyer had it out on the market for resale as a fixer upper where he had committed to us he was going to come in and rehab that house >> and that was >> I didn't know that but yeah I'm not surprised

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>> that happened and um you know it just really um caught me by surprise not really but maybe um that he that he was doing that but yeah he had done that now >> and you you you can't foreclose on homestead. You know that, >> right?

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>> But um if you abate properties, you abate conditions, it costs money. >> And and until we established I established a fund in our budget in the lack of $40,000 for code enforcement, which was

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a lot of money when they had none. But until we had that fund so that we could go ahead and take some some action, we were kind of stagnant. And then once we had the fund and took the action, there was more goal to try to replenish that

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fund through enforcement action. You know, the fines and the admin costs and stuff. Not to make it ownorous. I mean, your B your obviously your goal is always to get property fixed up, but I'm just afraid if you build in too many u too much forgiveness, it it it takes

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away the motivation for people to fix properties because what why do they care? The fines 5,000 or 50,000 you're going to forgive it all anyway. >> Well, mayor, yes. Do we have a

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>> Yes, we did. Yes. I would like to call a question. >> Um, okay. >> Everybody's ready. No further discussion. I can't I can't vote until I open up for public comment. >> So, I'm going to open it up for public

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comment at this time. Does anybody want to come forward? Please, please do come forward. State your name and your address if you will. 25 South Lake Street. I hear what you're saying and we fixed up a very mighty property in this town.

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There weren't fines against it, but if there were, we would have paid them, but it would have been nice from the time that we were fixing it up if we could have gotten a rebate back or something. >> If you could if you fix it and that's when this reduction policy allows you to

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come in and ask for uh the the lean reduction. I mean this >> because you hesitate because I mean you're working your tail off trying to knit. There were weeds in the yard taller than me. >> So I just think though that it makes you second guess what you're doing. But if

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you thought that if you really fix it up, you're going to get some of it back. >> Thank you. Thank you for bringing that to our attention. Do we have anybody else that would like to speak to this? If not, I'll close public comment. And

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there's no further questions. Madam clerk, if you would >> do a roll call, please. >> Commissioner Deo. >> Hi. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Moore. >> I. >> Mayor Myers. >> I approve. So approve. Thank you. Okay.

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We're going to move on to ordinance number 2026-02. >> Can I ask for this to be table? >> Um. Okay. >> And that's on me. Um, some of you know I'm in a transition right now with uh, >> right? >> Mhm.

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>> You know, circumstances. So, I did I told you last time and I was going through every definition and checking it against Florida statute because there was some inconsistency between some of the definition and Florida statute and what we had. >> As you probably know with when it comes to golf cart, it appears that this the

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state has not preempted the regulation of golf carts. But what they have done is said you can make it tighter than what they've got but not more lenient >> which is fine but I had to know that that they hadn't preempted it. So then what I'm trying to do is just make sure that I can I can articulate the

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differences because you don't have a police force. Whoever enforces this is going to be enforcing state statute everywhere else and your ordinance here maybe got this one. I don't know that because sheriff's office is doing it. So, if the sheriff's office is going to do it and you have your own ordinance

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that that you're going to want enforced, then they the deputy who comes out is going to have to know that your ordinance is different from what he's used to working with other places. And so, I've just I've been trying to make sure that all that's covered. And that's

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that's that's the u that that's the reason. >> And I think that thank you for being so cautious with this. Deltona. It's all over the news the last couple of days. Who is policed by the sheriff, Sheriff Chitwood. They pay them $14 million to

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[laughter] to um to do their their policing. They've never had their own police department. Anyway, they have an issue with theirs right now and they've pulled it as well because it has to do with the electric bikes and scooters >> and making sure and Sheriff Chitwood is

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saying that he's only going to enforce state law. He's not going to enforce ordinances um because they have to meet the state law in order for him to. So, we've we've got some work to do I think here just to make sure that we have. So, thank you

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for the time that you are taking on this. So, do you have anybody have any questions? Otherwise, I'll ask for a motion. Commissioner Dvito, do you have something? >> I just have a comment >> because I have spent a lot of time looking at this, especially after we got the proposed ordinance from Indian

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Harbor Beach. The way it is my understanding that um essentially the only reason we can have golf carts on city streets is because state law generously grants us that

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authority. The state sets a framework for what we can do. But they leave us leeway to make certain choices like before or after dark or where the crossings are going to be. So, um I

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don't think um I mean if you don't have your own police department or whatever, um I think it's just the ordinance as I understand it is enforced like any other traffic ordinance. Um I don't think that major

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user didn't have a real difficulty about it but I think as long as we stay within the parameters of what the state allows us um then we can do it. I mean in general the state does not really govern

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it. They they give us the option to do this and that's very restrictive. So I one very big distinction. Okay. >> Yes. >> Sheriff's office and the county court is not going to enforce your ordinance. >> A violation of your ordinance is not going to go to a county judge. >> Okay?

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>> Period. You're going to and then as as I've explained in the past, you're going to have to arrange with your magistrate for your magistrate to hear ordinance violations unless the position of a county court judges changes because previously they

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had made it very clear they were not going to hear ordinance violations of any municipalities of the city of the city. So the big distinction is that if person is cited under your ordinance, then you're going to have to be the one

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to provide due process for them to challenge that citation. Whereas if it's a state statute site, it goes to county court and the county judge handled it. >> So that's a big deal. >> And we would have that situation regardless of who was patrolling us.

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>> Exactly. You had your own police force. >> It would still it would still be the same. We've had a golf cart ordinance for 10 years and it doesn't seem to be a problem. >> How many citations have you had under it? >> I don't know. But um anyway, um we I

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mean the alternative is to not allow golf carts in Crescent City, >> but I don't think that's a very good one. >> It's your it's your call to mate. But for instance, >> you know, um there just there were just some definitions,

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some age issues on the first version that I read that were they conflicted with state statute. >> Um >> some So there was from my perspective, I wasn't comfortable, but I I've got a file that's about this thick right now with definitions [clears throat] of

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every one of the terms that y'all have in there. And then some terms aren't defined. So what you do with it is your business. Like I said before, you're the policy makers. But just want you to understand that if it's state statute that's already on the books and you site

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under that, no problem. Goes to county court and goes on down the road. But if it's if it's your ordinance that's being enforced, then you got a you got a different ballgame that's going to have to be handled by your hearing officer. Now you say that the state gave you cart

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launch as I understand it to do what you want to in the city with golf carts and I don't agree with that. >> No, not I didn't say cart launch. I said they give us that without the state statute we have no authority as I understand it to have an ordinance.

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>> That's not true. You would have we'd have complete authority to to have an ordinance without state statute. >> I don't think so. But anyway, we'll work it out. We haven't. >> Well, you can because you can always do something. >> I don't think we can >> more restrictive. You just can't do less restrictive. So,

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>> if the state hasn't preempted a subject to itself in part or in whole under home rule power, you have the authority to pass an ordinance. >> Okay. That's my right. But it's my understanding that the way they wrote that statute, they intended to preempt

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us. But that's that's a fine point. I don't think we need to go down that road. I appreciate you working on this. A lot of people enjoy golf carts here, including me. And our original intent was not to have a complicated

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um ordinance that somehow got into the mix, but to bring our ordinance up to date with state statute and make any changes we thought necessary. So, um I'm not sure how it got so complicated. That wasn't the original idea. We ours our

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our ordinance needs to be brought up to date the way somehow a a different city's ordinance got mixed in. I don't know that we needed that. >> I think the biggest thing I think one of the biggest things that we're dealing with is how do you enforce it? And

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that's something that Major US has said also and I know that they've been talking to the courts to see with ordinances such as this. you know, same thing with animal control, their ordinances, and how can we how can they enforce those? So, that's our I mean, that's really one of the biggest

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obstacles I think that we've got to figure out that if we are going to have something that why have it on the books if we don't have a way to enforce it? Um, >> we do. >> So, well, it would have to we have to have a policy. I mean, it's going to have to go to the magistrate. You're

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going to have to have I mean, it's it's it's just like what Mr. Holmes was explaining there's there's a lot more to it. And I and I know I've been following the Deltona issue. They did the same thing. They did a 17-year-old could not

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drive an electric bike. Now, they could drive a car, but they couldn't drive an electric bike. And so there was there was just there was a lot of issues. And so you have to just make sure that what we're doing is enforceable and a way to enforce it. Second

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>> I move that we table 202602 till next month. >> Second >> date certain so your your regular meeting date for next month that'll avoid us having to revert. >> Yes. I will second that. >> You second that. Do we have any further discussion?

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>> Do we have any public comment? >> See no public comment. Madam clerk, can you do a roll call for us, please? >> Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Moore. >> I. >> Vice Mayor Lorie. Hi, >> Commissioner Deito. >> I may >> I approve. >> So approved. Thank you.

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>> Okay, let's move on to our um ordinance 2026-12. >> Read the first reading. An ordinance. This is ordinance 202612, an ordinance of the city of Crescent City, Florida, adopting a small-cale comprehensive plan amendment in

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accordance with section 163.3187 Florida statutes amending the future land use map designation for a property totaling approximately 0.57 plus or minus acres located at 70 Randolph Street. Providing for a change in the future land use map designation from

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public buildings and grounds to residential medium density. providing for implementing administrative action, repealing all conflicting ordinances, providing for severability, providing for non-potification, and providing for an effective date. >> Thank you.

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>> I move that we approve on first reading 20 ordinance 2026-12. >> Do I have a second? I'll second that. We have a proper motion in the second. Do we have any discussion? We have

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if none. Okay. If you would do a roll oh public a public comment. Do we have any public comment on this? [clears throat] >> Okay. Seeing no one come forward. We're going to do a roll call. >> Commissioner Devito.

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>> I. Vice Mayor Lori. >> I. >> Commissioner Moore. >> I. >> Mayor Myers. >> I. So approved. Okay. Ordinance 2026-13. First reading, an ordinance of the city of Crescent City, Florida, amending the official zoning map for property

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totaling 0.57 plus or minus acres located at 70 Randolph Street from the PF public facility zoning district to the SR1 single family residential zoning district, providing for implementing administrative actions, repealing all conflicting ordinances, providing for

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severability, providing for non-codification, and providing for an effective date. >> Have [clears throat] a motion. I move that we approve ordinance 2026-13. >> Second. >> Second. >> We have a proper motion and a second to approve ordinance 2026-13.

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Do we have any public comment? >> Okay. Seeing no public comment. Commissioner, do you have any discussion? >> Okay. You do a roll call for us, please. >> Ma'am. Commissioner Moore. >> I. >> Commissioner Deito. >> I. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi. >> Mayor Myers.

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>> I. So approved. So now we're going to close out our public hearing session and we're going to move on to our um business items. >> Thank you mayor. Appreciate that. Uh our first item is the update on historic preservation LDC amendment status and our next steps. I have Mr. Mark correct

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here from ZTO and I'd like to speak to that please sir. >> Good evening. >> [clears throat] >> So, uh, we're working on a, uh, draft of a, uh, historic preservation ordinance.

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The origin of this is a draft ordinance that I was provided by the city manager that was created by Commissioner Lori. And uh while it uh was a very thorough ordinance, it was a standalone ordinance

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in the sense that it would uh conflict and recreate portions of the the historic preservation process that already existed in the landing code. So, taking Commissioner Lori's draft, I then

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created another draft ordinance that basically made amendments to the existing land owner code incorporating uh the items from Commissioner Warrior's ordinance and items that uh would allow the city

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to become a certified local government and created a draft and that is has been shared uh with uh the city manager and it was shared with the state attorney. uh I think about draft three or draft

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four it was shared with the uh Fruitland Peninsula Historic Preservation Organization and >> it was shared with FHS

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>> it might have been >> I was providing four sets of comments that I was told >> okay >> were carried back from the uh Fruitland Historic Preservation Organization. >> Okay. Thank you.

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>> Uh they were provided by uh Dan Dodge to the city manager. I do not know who or you know >> that's fine. I'm just glad to know that it went and I I know who it went to. So, thank you so much. >> Uh and so,

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like I said, I got four sets of comments. uh all of which were were uh well three of three of them sort of argued for a much more complex scheme uh then I think either Commissioner Roy

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or our draft uh uh contemplated. I think the fourth one kind of made the most sense. it was much more lighter but also put a lot of decision making in the hands of staff. In order to do that, you

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have to create some fairly rigorous guidelines. So, you know, rather than try to referee these four separate sets of comments, >> my recommendation to manager was that that

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we talk about engaging a consultant that is that has a background in historic preservation and they can help you get through the this ordinance

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process, complete this ordinance process and uh ultimately particularly you go into the sort of law a lighter uh regiment and what I mean by that is uh one that doesn't require

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every single decision to be made category of black and you're going to have to create some sort of guidelines. The provisions that Mr. Commissioner put together referenced uh the powers of the the historic preservation board to

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create guidelines. We do have some existing guidelines uh in the landowning code, but they're not detailed historic preservation guidelines. So with that, it's a policy decision and we're looking

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for some guidance and direction. >> Okay. So you're recommending that we have an expert come in and and and guide us >> this process and complete this process >> where it's palpable to the residents as well that might try to do something with

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that. >> Correct. >> Um yes, Commissioner Devid. So, um I have a concern that you know all this is being done behind the scenes. Um people have put a lot of work into it, very

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well intended. Um but I am noticing that our comprehensive plan um has one 2 three four five six seven

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policies on specific policies things that we were supposed to do years ago and then we readed our comprehensive plan in 2022. Correct. >> Yeah. Okay. Yes. >> Okay. Yes. Cuz you helped us with the I

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think or >> right but you use it because you have to >> we we use it and yes we >> so you right you have to use it. So this is something that we are overdue in doing. Um,

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I would like to move that regardless of our decision about a consultant, which will take budgeting and money, um, that the versions or the best version and the alternative versions [clears throat]

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that have been worked on should be um shared with both the um, planning and zoning commission for consideration and also circulated to the commission. so that we can all know what's going on here and they can at least discuss it

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because um it's going to take a while to hire a consultant. >> My understanding that the planning and zoning it was already went to them. Correct. And they approved it to come to us. >> Not not the historic preservation ordinance. Now [clears throat]

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>> obviously Mr. Dodge should see that. Well, somebody it was it was presented at the at the um it was presented standalone. >> The original standalone was it was presented >> after that point. I brought it to our

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director for review and and also the city attorney. The intention is to make sure that we bring back to that board just like you stated commissioner >> to bring back to that board a review once we've completed our thorough review of completion and then bring it to you

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all. So when the ordinance or the proposed ordinance went to the planning and zoning commission, did they have any comments or take any specific action on it? What what was their did they just take a pass? I mean, what did they do?

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They wanted us to bring it to the commission [clears throat] at that point. I brought it to Mark Caret and also to our city attorney because there was conflicts between a standalone ordinance and the LBC. So, I wanted to get legal involved and I got Mark involved because he's our subject

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matter expert, >> but they've voted to refer it to the city commission. Correct. >> I believe that was the vote. I'd have to go back to the meeting, but it's been a little while >> and my understanding from that because I I talked to you about it because I had some concerns. They were told that we

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did not have a historical board. We do have a historical board. We established that in our LBC. >> I remember that. Yeah. >> Exactly. Well, they were told that they or it came up that they didn't feel that they had a historical board that we do have one and you know so so there was some

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conflicting I think some conflicting information possibly that that I know I had some I had some concerns about um but you know thank thank you for making sure that >> we want to make sure it's right it's

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important >> okay well wait a minute wait a minute wait a there's a lot of different opinions about what's right and I'm just a little concerned >> I'm a little bit concerned that um it sounds to me as if it would not be

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inappropriate it would not be wrong for us to do a workshop and see what concerns the commission and the public have what appeals to the commission and the public um what we think would work. I mean, this is taking longer than the land development code did and um I

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really am starting to be very uncomfortable with, you know, just it's held and held and held and held behind the scenes. I I don't see why we can't talk about it and then I can I can know what is important to the mayor and she

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can know what's important to me and members of the public can come. I mean, that's what the workshop process is for. Um, and then if we need to hire a consultant, I I don't know. Um, we, you know, do we have money in the budget for that?

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>> I've asked Mr. Caret to give me a cost on that. I know he's been working on that, but that's been a very short form. So, we don't have an actual number yet. >> Yeah, there's certainly two ways to do this. Obviously, directly hire you guys have had a historic preservation consultant previously. I think being a

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meeting last year where you guys completed a you know an update to your study and there was consult it could be a subconsultant that we would hire and you know give you a price on that either way makes no difference.

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>> I think regardless I feel regardless that um that we need to have somebody who is first in this. We have a lot of opinions um as to historical guidelines and I'm not even

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concerned. I mean I I I mean I'm even concerned I think on a historical board are they certified? And so you know I I do have some I do have a lot of apprehension with anything without consulting someone who is actually first

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in [laughter] this. Um, [clears throat] so maybe that's a discussion we need to have. And I don't think this is taking as long as the LDC because the LDC took us about a year and a half, if not two years. >> Yeah, the only was about a two-year process. >> About a two year about a two-year

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process, but we have talked about this for a long time and it was my understanding when we started the LDC process and we said what our priorities were. I believe we said historic preservation was priority and that was

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2022. >> Well, I thought we got that in there. >> Well, 2022 was made a priority in terms of your comprehensive plan policy. the [clears throat] the provisions of the historic preservation uh regimen that are in the land only

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code. Uh [clears throat] you know talk about the intent to be a certified government but they don't you know at that time a decision was made that that we weren't going to deliver a uh [clears throat] an ordinance that fully qualified to to

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be a certified local government. The ordinance that Commissioner Lori presented and what I was asked to do was to look at the landing code and make sure that we brought forward any amendments that would at least get you

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to being a certified local government. But there's a number of different ways to get there and there are a number of different ways to manage your historic preservation program. [clears throat] Uh, I certainly can help you guys deliver an

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ordinance that will meet the requirements of being a public government, but I'm not a subject matter expert and I don't think I'm in a position to tell you what would be the best historic preservation ordinance uh for Chryson City. And if you're going

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to ask me what sort of, you know, window volumes need to be uh on a, you know, a period building, I cannot help you with that. So >> you know my my my biggest concern was that we definitely had a hole there. We

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did not have true you know historic preservation protection. um what was in the our code of ordinances was removed during recontification um really at no one's you know no one's real fault but it was removed and we've

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been talking about this and talking about this and I remember um you know reading about our intention to become a certified local government and when I was on planning and zoning in 2022 that was one of the first things I started talking about when I was placed on on planning and zoning and it's been since

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then and nobody was doing anything. So, my biggest thing is that we're having action taken. That's why I started writing this ordinance. That's why I spent the last year writing it, going back and forth to Tallahassee. I just want to make sure that we're doing it and we're going to get this done. Um, and it's not pushed off and pushed off

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because that's what happens. And so, I'm I'm fine going whatever way we want to. Um, we just need to take some action or continue moving forward. Well, could I make a motion? >> Yes, please.

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>> Um, I move that no later than our September meeting, we have prices, um, on what it would take to hire a historic preservation consultant. Um, and as well, uh, I would

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like to, um, have all draft ordinances circulated to any commissioner who wants to see them. And I am one. >> That's my motion. >> We have a proper motion and a second. We

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have any other discussion? Would we have to put this out? Um we have to put this out for the pricing to hire someone. >> Well, you're probably going to do an RFQ instead of an RFP on a consultant of this nature.

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So you know that that process is if you have more than one person submitted a proposal then you'd be first you'd be ranking them in terms of their qualifications and then you know that process is after you've ranked them in terms of qualifications you go to number one to see if you can negotiate a

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contract and if you can't you go to number two etc right down the road. Uh I think it's going to be better that than an RFP where you just get people giving you prices and you're not comparing qualifications. Now Mr. Car if you disagree that's would be mean fine they can do it >> I mean do do two different ways like I

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said I you know I can explore and bring back to you what you might expect to pay for these services I could also bring back as I said I could bring back a proposal from our organization to have somebody who is a sub to us

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and you decision okay that >> you would work under how would that work Mr. Well, I think you have an agreement with them already. >> So, I mean, I haven't I can't agree now, but I would assume that it's fairly

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broad in terms of this land planning and so forth. So, you know, if you did work with their number, I I don't I think you already have a a contract with them. So, you would not have to go out for RFP or Q necessarily.

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>> Okay. Okay. So, we have a proper motion and a second. Do we have any further discussion? I see none. >> Do we need to have public comment? >> I I Well, does anybody have any comments on

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this? Anybody want to speak to this? Okay. Closing public comment. Madam clerk. >> Commissioner Devito. >> I. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> I. >> Commissioner Moore. >> I may >> I approve. you'll get the with him for the pricing.

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>> Thank you. Thank you for >> Thank you for your work that y'all put into this. Thank you. >> And and Commissioner Roy, thank you too. We know that you're very passionate about this and we appreciate that. >> Okay, let's move on to October Fest event.

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>> Yes, I have Ernie Evans here who would like to go up and speak to us. Thank you. >> Okay, thank you. >> Hello, Mr. Evans. >> Hey, how are you? and Mrs. Evan. >> Sure. >> Appreciate you guys uh having us over here. Um we're gonna we'll be painless

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and short here. I'm actually have to leave to Virginia in the morning. Decided to go back in the entertainment business and be doing some touring here for the next couple months. I'm just filling in for a group. But uh anyway, >> a play musician. >> Yeah. Playing or playing.

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>> Okay. So anyway, so we we had proposed doing an October fest here. um trying to throw a curveball right now. We are uh we've had a chance to to come over do do an event. We got rain two times and but we've also had a chance to get we've made a lot of good friends

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here. We've done some charity work for a couple other events helping some other folks out and um we've kind of get I think we have a better lay of land now than we did when we first started and uh and what may work better. Um, our background is event production and

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that's that's all we do and and we're we're local and and uh and we we love this town. So, I I think what what we what's probably the best course of action for us is to back up a little bit and do something more along the lines of of a concert but a special concert and

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bring in um you know some headliners that kind of thing and and start there. Um the October Fest was really something that we really wanted to do with thought that would work and and it's a popular category. Um however, however, um there

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are some components that go with it that I don't know that are going to really work out for us right now. >> Well, we started at the a concert what was to be a concert series that we did the we had the Atlantic City Boys in the park in um June.

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>> I'm sorry, I can't hear you. I cannot hear you. Oh, I said we started the concert series. We did the Atlantic City Boys in the Park in June. I think it was the beginning of June. >> Um, so we're thinking going more along

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those lines. >> Yeah, there's a lot of things that we can do. Um, this is this is our company profile. If anybody wants copy, we glad to give you that. We've got some extra ones with us. But >> we're this is a list of the events that we're doing. We're doing over 20 events. Um,

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>> two of them in Palaca, Florida. We've got you big festivals that we do up in Palaca. >> These are some of the Grammy award-winning acts that we work with for the Grand Landers. Obviously, Greenwood, Ricky Ske, Ronda Benson, uh, who we wanted to bring here. We got bring out

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that tape. But there's Rhonda. And so, we we we have access to all these artists. Now, we al we also are keeping our eyes on people who are coming through here as well. Anybody that's coming Nashville, going to Orlando or to Miami, that kind of thing. And you know, we'll those will be kind of last minute

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things. Well, I have like a couple months. So, if those work out, they will. But you'll see a pretty extensive list. We can go to the next slide if you want to. And we'll give you a copy of this. It's just or the same. We [clears throat] just have three slides. So, this will be >> it did not work. >> It didn't work. Okay. We'll go we'll go

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to three. >> Did not work either. >> It didn't work either. Okay. Um, [clears throat] basically what what it was was just telling a little bit about what what we're doing. We've done some research too on some things. Well, we're we're a femaleowned minority company. There are what we found is there are

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some benefits to uh the combination of working together with other partners uh some grand opportunities because of that. And so I think that that starting with these concerts is really not we're really not scaling back so much as

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we're we're we've already got the toe in the water. we're sticking the other toe in the water or the rest of the life, whatever you want to call it, with with our sights on returning to festivals because that's really what what we do best is our festivals, um, you know, family events, that kind of thing. So, I

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think that's really where where that needs to go. Um, the >> I have a question just a clarification. So, we have before us a permit request for an October fest for a specific date

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in October, which is hard to find. >> October 10th, >> actually 9th and 10th. >> 9th and 10th, right? Okay. So, are are you um amending that request or >> That's what I'd like to do something a

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curveball. So, this is his curveball. What is it that he wants to do? because we're, you know, >> we'll reapply. I mean, we'll we'll reapply for that. I I don't want to come and see we're going to cancel that kind of thing. I one biggest show that we really want do we want to go for and we

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would like to do that festival at some point in time, but there's some things we have to work out with like um alcohol. I mean, we have October festival. I mean, there's it's just a little more complicated. And I know there's ways that we can get that done, but the original plan didn't pan out

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that way. But we've also again got gotten to know a lot more folks here and what will work here, what we're going to propose um we'll we'll fill out paperwork, but it's something more along along the lines of a very popular tribute act more than likely the

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Fleetwood Mac. That's that's what we really want to do. It was a Disney >> like a cover band type a tribute band. >> Yeah, it was like the Atlantic City. Yes. their biggest quality and very well known and

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u and and I think that's really the next step in that direction but >> you know we're we're you know we're willing to look at some things for next year at a larger scale multiple festival that you know that kind of thing so I think we'll be a lot further along but

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we we we've been really enjoying the time that we have spent here >> well and we thank you because and I apologize I wasn't there for the Atlantic I heard they were outstanding I was out there I heard that even in spite of the Everybody was in good spirits, but and you also you MCED the um the

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red, white, and boom for us >> and you did an outstanding job with that and you helped out with Junth. So, thank you so much for wanting to be part of the community and Oh, yeah. and for believing in in these events and and wanting to to continue, you know, as like you said, you're you're just kind

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of regrouping a little bit. Well, we also look at the future of the town, too. It's the health coming out and see some of these things, some of the things that the goals that you guys have. We're back there thinking, man, maybe we need to do this. And so, we're we're kind of think rethinking things with way, but we're we're learning, I guess. Let's put

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that way. We're learning and we don't usually get the opportunity to study the market as much as we're getting to do here. So, it's really a good thing for us. >> So, so right now, so what you're telling us is you want to resend your application. Yes. But I'd like to possibly hold that date

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and and what we do be on that date and I'll get >> and that would be up to the city. >> Yeah. And I'll get with them right away. >> Okay. >> Right. Thank you. >> See anybody's got some questions where >> does anybody have any more questions? >> Not I've got your card. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> Appreciate everybody. Thanks for the >> Thank you both. >> Thank you for your investment [clears throat] you're making in Crescent City. >> All right. Thank you. We'll see. >> Yes. Be safe tomorrow. >> All right. >> Hopefully you'll have cooler weather. >> Harrison, Virginia. Looks like they've

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got the same same. >> Same weather. Yeah. >> Wow. >> Okay. Let's move on to the water tower painting mural discussion in the prison. >> Yes. And this is a discussion. I don't have anything in front of you to look at. Um but we have to make a decision that that water tower is going to be

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painted real soon. They have said that they would put what we want to um what art we want on that on that tower. Um originally there was a catfish up there that's coming off. Originally we had some other letters to Crescent City up

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there. Um I'm actually proposing that we put city or historic Crescent City with an established date and also maybe even our new moniker saying you know life between the lakes. Um, also proposing possibly that we put the bell if we get

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permission up there because that is historic to our city. Um, I don't want to leave the catfish out, but I also don't know how long and that's going to go with the city. Uh, I'd like to put the catfish down at the on a large

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larger mural underneath the actual tower on the water plant >> u that would wrap around the water plant so when people come to enjoy the park they see that. Um, that's something that I'd like to do that would be very inclusive of all parties. Um, but I think we we if you look at the historic

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signs that are uh or those historic towers that are around the state, they're very simple and they have the name of the city and an established date. And that's typically it eore city, banel, >> those are just some of the ones that

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come to my head right away. there's not a bunch of artwork on them. So, I wanted the discussion and just wanted some direction. >> So, is everyone do we have does anybody want to make a motion that as far as the wording?

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>> Well, sure. Um, >> so I I move that we um take the city manager's recommendation to put um historic Crescent City on the top part

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of the water tower. Um and I'm assuming that historic would have the appropriate size. Um and the What's What's appropriate? What do you mean appropriate as in comparison to present city?

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>> You don't have to different. It's not the name of the city. It's it's an adjective. >> So our work um >> Okay. >> And that we find the space on there if we can get permission from the woman's club and I have a feeling we can um to

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have the bell of Crescent City up there just because it's a beautiful and beloved piece of artwork. Um, and then we don't. So, that would be my motion and I'm stopping there because I don't think we really have to decide what goes.

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>> No. And and we're working on murals right now and working with a couple different programs. Bonnie has been reaching out to some of the universities. My my intent is to take the home of catfish and still put it here in the city um just in a different spot. >> Okay. So, you have a motion. Now, you

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did not include Life Between the Lakes, which is our new branding. So, they would do that. >> Um, I didn't include that just because >> it's long and I think that that might um

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just according I don't know that that's the place for our slogan. I think we have other places for our slogan and um just keeping it very simple. >> Okay. and able to tell him about our work.

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>> Okay. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. So, we have a proper motion in a second. Do we have any discussion? >> Um, I mean, I think the city logo can go on there. Why can't we put the our new logo

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at the seal? [clears throat] >> Yeah. >> Well, I mean, and and I'm not sure why we would take the cap at home. It's the most well-known thing that's ever happened in this town and we're going on 45 years. I don't know why it wouldn't

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have. I mean, Rotary is still planning to keep doing it. I understand you know as a return >> it would be my recommend I mean my recommendation would be that you just keep it simple to city of Crescent City >> historic Crescent City established and

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our logo and for the catfish and the bell that possibly you could do that there's a lot of areas down there that can be painted um but you could possibly do something to that and then just keep that this to the city. Um I forgot the

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year. Um mayor, I have a particular reason why I suggest that the water tower >> because it is a historic water tower. The bell is a very historic and very beloved. >> It's um it's from the fruit labels,

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right, which um were >> which were all beautiful artwork. You know, there are hundreds of fruit labels and they were done in an era where they were done by um actually artists. My concern over putting our logo on the

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tower is that um it's a nice logo for our letterhead and other places, but a local artist um who is part of the historical society pointed out to me after we adopted this as our logo that it is machine art.

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and it does not speak to people. It doesn't look as good in large. Um, it doesn't speak to people the same way just a classic piece of artwork does. It's I mean, I'm just,

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[clears throat and cough] you know, being very honest and wanting to have our water tower have something that when people look at it, it will make a warm statement. Um, I know from long

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experience when people see those banners that you have for the bell of Crescent City, even if they don't know anything about Crescent City and they've just walked in the door, they say, "Where can I get one of those?" It's it's a piece of artwork that appeals to people. And

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we have a very nice logo, but it's much more complex and it does not make that singular >> um [clears throat] >> identifier. It's not an identifier. Okay. >> We we do have two sides. >> We have we do have two sides as well. You have the lake from the lake view.

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>> Yeah. >> And we also had from from this side this maybe just keeping it continuing the city name and historic present city and incorporated in 1873 or whatever. 183 is easier instead of doing artwork at all.

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>> I don't know how with the bell. I mean, how would they do that? Would it be would they actually painting it or is it going to be a seal? >> What they would do from what I'm being told is that they would get the um the document from us digital file and then that would be printed out as a stencil and then they would paint it. That's

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that's the only way to do it. >> I know like in Tarpon, the Chamber of Commerce, they have a whole wall with a piece of art that you would think that it was actually painted and it's not. It's it's actually a wrap. >> And it's been on there for years and it's it's held up. So, I just didn't

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know if they would do a wrap or how they would do that. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, we currently have a motion in front of us for um historic Crescent City established and the bell and we have a second.

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>> Huh? >> Yeah, you >> do. We have any public comment? Do we have any comment on this? Does anybody want to weigh in on it? Yes, ma'am. >> I'm not. >> But you need you would come forward. I'm not I mean I'm not part of the studio yet,

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>> but just kind of looking at it from my travels >> throughout my time. >> Kind of like what I have right there with the tree and the crescent moon >> and the I'm not sure what it is on the sun, but that to me and that stuff gives me warmth and comfort,

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>> but I don't know. I mean, I understand about the historic bell and everything. So, it's up to you. But >> I see that more as warm and comforting >> and it's a fish. That's >> normally like the cities that I've been at, they just have the city name. It's

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very plain. It's very basic. So, I mean, whatever you all decide. I mean, you know, usually better. >> Thank you. We appreciate it. >> Thank you. We appreciate it. We have any other comments? I'm saying we have the other seal that's actually the destination seal, the oval one

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>> that is says life between the lakes and has the ribbon behind it which would actually be more more fitting from the city >> seal. Um I mean that was the reason we did pay for the >> Yeah, we paid [laughter] for so many different renderings that we could use it that we could use it.

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>> Yeah, >> please state your name and your address if you want. make a French on. I like the same seal, the black and white version that's just the black outline of that seal and then it wouldn't have to have all the color that

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might be hard to make as big >> and you could do it as a wrap and not the whole colors. I actually I actually like the idea about the other art that we have too instead of the seal that that really

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>> I like that idea but you would have to change the motion. >> So thank you. >> Somebody asked for an amendment. >> So either we can vote on the current one before us. She can amend hers or we can take an amendment to hers. Well,

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somebody I move to amend your motion by striking the bell and replacing it with the destination logo, which is what that oval is called, the line between the legs. >> We have a second to this amendment. >> I second.

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>> Yes. [clears throat] >> Would that be in just the the black? >> No, >> I think I think the color I mean I think we should do everything in teal, but that's >> [laughter] >> We might we might want to consult with the the company and see what they say

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about the color to see what they say about the color. >> So we currently have we have an amendment to the motion. Um I'm going to if you would do a roll call for us please on this amendment to the motion. >> Yes ma'am. Commissioner Devito >> I. >> Commissioner Moore

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>> I. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi. >> Mayor Myers. >> Hi. >> Okay. So now we're going to vote on the motion the amended motion. Mayor, I just have one comment and if we had time, I would really like for us to do at least

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a survey monkey online and ask for public comment about this. I really had I made that suggestion at one of our last meetings that we get public comment. I really I just don't like to see us make a decision like this without

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asking what people think um and doing it. you know, >> I could put together a survey monkey. We do some examples and then >> the problem is is what kind of time frame do we have? >> I mean, we're looking at getting this completed in this fiscal year, right?

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>> So, that the next and then what do we do? I mean, I'm just going to ask, you know, people they they put us here to make these hard decisions and I know we want input, but what happens if we have 10 different opinions of what goes up

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there? So, right. I'm just Okay. I'm just saying we I first heard the proposal. I mean, we don't even have a proposal in the packet. I I just think that this is a bad way to make decisions about things

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that are going to last for a very, very long time. And I'm really not comfortable not asking what people think. I mean, we we don't know what they think. And yes, we have to make the final decision, but I feel like we've been very remissed not to ask.

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>> And that's my question. Well, I mean, my next question is going to be I think we've kept it trying to keep it as simple as possible. We know we're not going to change the city of Crescent City >> and we're not going to rebrand it anytime soon. So, we so we've got all that we've got all that in place.

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>> Um, so what else would we be a what would we be asking? We'd be asking, do you you know, all the things we've discussed here, we could we could have asked for input three weeks ago and you know, at least given people a

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>> Well, that's that's up to the commission. It's too late. You know, if it's too late now, then that's too late. But I I really think that's a missed opportunity. And I you know, how long would it take for you, Commissioner Lori, to put something out there? >> I think it's tonight. I mean it just I

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just have to Rachel hopefully help. >> And what would the deadline be? What would the deadline be? >> I mean we can do it for a week or two. I mean >> we have other meetings set up this month so we could >> and then have it have the results before results.

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>> What are you going to consider to be an accurate sample size? >> Well, there's no way to tell that. >> We can just get as much we can get as much input as possible. I mean, we don't have to say that there whatever that's decided. We just need input and see what people think and people can have the

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opportunity to have another suggestion if they have a suggestion. >> So, if 20 out of 250 think something that's going to be persuasive. >> Well, that's what I'm asking. So, I mean, I'd put flowers on it. I'd cover the whole thing in flowers if it was up to me. I'd paint all kinds of flowers, you know. [laughter]

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>> Um, so I mean, that's just what I'm saying is what are we opening ourselves up to? But I also want to say that we not we're not always >> the smartest people in the world. >> But I mean, >> but we're also chosen to make these hard decision

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>> and I'm fine with making the decision. I've been talking about this for six months and thinking about it. So, um, >> yes, ma'am. >> Nancy Taylor Summit. I just think y'all should remember the old principle and

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keep it simple because this is something that's going to be seen from far far away. The detail of the logo will kind of disappear if you're looking at it from the Presbyterian church, Baptist church. So I like just the city present city established 18 whatever you know

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and just you know not just in black but maybe I don't know some color to that or something just a simple >> and really if you wanted to put something on there that's a classic cosmetic orange blossom >> there you go there >> okay we currently have a motion before

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us um so I mean if somebody It's It's okay. >> What's it? All right. >> So, my recommendation is going to be that this would be my recommendation is that

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you get a sample drawing. >> Okay. >> Yes, ma'am. >> You submit it to the commission. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And let them view it. We are going to How soon do you think you could get that? >> I'll start working on tomorrow. >> Okay. We're going to I know we'll be

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meeting on Friday right now. We still currently have a special meeting scheduled for Friday. >> Yes, ma'am. [clears throat] >> Um >> in the meantime, could you put something out to I mean I still say that we need to have something we need to have some parameters that if we're going to put

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something out, we need to have some parameters. Who knows what all we would get and then we've got to go through it. So >> I mean we can put some some different options samples. >> All right. Oftent times you give them you give them an option and let them

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choose A, B or C. >> Mr. Holmes, do you have any input? >> Are you going to do this you're going to do this over a picture on a water tower? What are you going to do for important decisions? Are you going to do survey monkey on everything that comes before you? >> I agree. I do agree. I'm not in support

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of it, but I'm I'm one of four. So >> currently we have a motion on the table. I want to take care of this motion that we have on the table for um an amended motion that we have on the table. If you would do a roll call for us, please. >> Commissioner Moore

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>> I. >> Commissioner Devito. >> Nay. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> I. >> Mayor Myers. >> I. >> Okay. So we're not going to do a mockup. We're just going to go with what we decided. We still get a mockup.

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>> Do a mockup. Yes. >> Okay. Well, then I would like since we're going to get a mockup, I would like to reconsider my vote. Some I did not know we're going to get a mockup. >> Okay. So, I would like to vote yay. Okay. Thank you. But for the record,

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madam cler. Okay. >> Thank you. Okay. Let's move on. Florida government cyber security. >> All right. I'm asking approval to fill out the grant paperwork for this. Um this is a grant that we will not receive

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funds um for this. This grant is actually um going to tie us into state program and protocol and they will provide us above and beyond service comp over above our current security

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protocols and what we have for software. So, I have to have the paperwork turned in to this um entity by the end of this month and um ready to move forward with this and just want approval for this. This will be for our cyber security protection program again over and above

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what we currently have with our pallet alto and our firewalls. >> Okay, we have a motion. I move that we authorize the city manager to apply for the cyber security uh protect the foyer local cyber security protection program for fiscal year 27

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where starts >> okay I have a second >> okay we have a proper motion in the second any um discussion just clarification so there's a cost to us in here somewhere >> there's no cost there's no cost to us

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okay because we've discussed this before >> right there's no there's no passengers. This is different. This is completely different. >> All right. >> And I just want to say that I I've reviewed this with with our city manager and I know the city of Pomona Park or the town of Pa Park last year was recipient of this grant and the state

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actually pays the vendor directly for the service for you for a year. So it's it'll just be above and beyond what we do now. And there's a lot of options. It gives you all kinds of different things which all of them are are great options to have. It's just having to pay for them. So to stay paid for it, it's

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great. This money go comes through the federal government to the state. So it's a wonderful opportunity to take advantage of it and there's zero cost to us. >> Correct. >> So we have a proper motion and a second. >> Commissioner >> I. >> Commissioner Moore

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>> I. >> Vice Mayor Lori >> I. >> Mayor Myers. >> I Okay. So approved. We're move on to the um DNI um project approval. Yes. So, as you all know, we've been going round and round

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with D on um in kind projects. They provided information to me in order to come up with a project. And so, the project that I have um sent in for formal proposal to them is a shoreline habitat restoration project on Lake

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Stellar along our walking path and it's going to be going from our Dexter Beach area down to the county program. The purpose of the project is to improve our water quality, enhance the native habitat, and stabilize the eroded shoreline in areas that we're target

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once we get in and take a look at it. As you all know, that's been overgrown and not maintained for several years. And uh and it's uh and it's something that needs to be taken care of. We are proposing to do restoration once cleared out of native latoral vegetation um and

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erosion control methods as well. It's going to align with FTP's mission, protect our water sources and support city's long-term environmental community goals. And so the >> Okay, [clears throat] Commissioner Lori started. So let them start. >> I was just say the the the original I

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know there's several at least there's one or two outfalls from the storm drains that go, >> correct? That's we've done work on those before, but that's what you're going to do is to >> clean it up. clean those up and be sure enough and >> and it will hopefully make it so you can see the lake again.

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>> Correct. >> Because it has really gotten kind of out of control over there. Okay. I mean, and and the point is this money we set aside could be a fine or we can do an inind project. >> Yes. >> And so I'd much rather do an inind project and get some benefit out of it

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to the city than paying FD. >> And I have and I have been in contact with FWC and also the St. John's River District as well. Okay, >> Commissioner Vita, your turn. >> Yeah, if I could. Um, so if the

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commission remembers, there were two options that were in our packet at the last at the July meeting, which we went till late and we didn't discuss those. The second option was for storm water inlet filter upgrade

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um that would reduce nutrient sediment and trash entering local water bodies. And it's my understanding um city manager that those were to be just for the lakes outs or they were also to go on Lake Quest. >> Just Lake Stella.

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>> Just Lake Stella. Okay. So, I was very excited to see this project um option number two and if we had gotten to discuss it, um I was going to share that I was very excited about

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that. If you remember the outfalls that were put in by the St. John's Water Management District, they [snorts] don't have a lot of filter. What they do is they pour a lot of water from the streets and yards into

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Lake Stella. Um there's an increased volume of water as you know. Um I live on Lake Stella and my family has been there for um many many years. I've been swimming and boating and everything else

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on Lake Stella um since I was a baby which is a long time. So, the outfalls are putting more water into the lake, but it's not um it's not filtered. And the lake has a problem with weeds that

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was caused about 20 or 30 years ago, maybe 30, by the water management district. Um they sprayed the hyestence instead of hand removing them. Until that time, we we are a sand lake. We are

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not supposed to have a muck bottom. And I've discussed this at length with the water management district. When the water management district sprayed those highest and they sank to the bottom, that gave the opportunity for weeds to grow just like a fish tank.

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After that, we were we used to be very much like Lake Como, very clear sand bottom. We are no longer like that. We have a muck bottom and on the plants that are growing in the water there is are now a variety of algae. We don't

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have the water quality that we used to have. As well we have pollutants coming in um from those inlets in an increased amount that people who swim down at Dexter Beach or who swim at their homes are swimming at.

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>> Okay. Um also two is not on the table. on the Import. I'm trying to say is I thought something I would like the commission to look at the response P. They didn't say that option two was off the table and I

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have serious I thought I gave this to the court to distribute. >> The DP said that it could potentially work that he needed more details to better understand if some of the deliverables that I was proposing was covered under the MS4 permit. I reached out to Jason Shepler to our engineer and

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talked to our public works director to see if that was the case. The other reason that I did not bring this forward is because after discussion with my public works director, it would put a significant strain on our already strained u public works personnel to maintain the baskets because you would

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constantly be cleaning them out and it would need a specialized crane truck to pull them out once they're filled up from all of our tree canopy debris. And even though it would be very fantastic, it would definitely labor our current labor situation. >> Do we have Do we have that mechanism? >> We do not. >> We do not.

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>> Okay. Okay. So, but the other problem with option one is um I I don't understand um some of the things that it says it will do. >> Um it the measurable effect as I understand it. Is this not true Mr.

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Martin is to improve our water quality? >> I mean, so option two isn't you said that wasn't workable because >> it was already covered under the MS4 permit. You said they want a measurable because I talked to you at this point. They did want it measurable when we're

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testing the water, if you will. The the goal and the key components of option one are to remove any of the invasive species that could be in that area which it has grown up tremendously. Planting of native species such as pickle wheat, duck, potato, soft rush,

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and arrowhead which would help clean the water as well and at least help mitigate any runoff going into those areas. The other is the installation of biodegradable core logs which would go around our outfalls where we're going to be cleaning. So make sure that that's also keeping erosion from happening and

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educational signage which we would put up in where our bird viewing area would be and that's where the educational signage. So, what you're proposing to do, and I looked at the um I I just have some problems with the

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design of this, but one thing I I don't think you can justify I don't think you can say that putting in some native plants is going to provide the reduction in nutrient load that those filters would. I mean, I I don't think the

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proposal um is I think it's purporting to do things that it's actually not going to do. The in whatever is deemed to be an invasive plant and have those been identified? >> They're identified. There's a list from

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the state that's been given, we haven't identified them in our area until we get there because we can't see them until we start clearing and cleaning. >> Okay. And are you planning to mow them down? We plan on doing mechanical and and hand operated >> tools to to get those out.

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>> Um, >> so there will be some machinery, but it would be light machinery >> and it will all be on our property. >> And it'll all be on our property. >> Yeah, I I get that part. But >> and by the supervision of the FWC, >> but what we're talking about is the conservation property. And what you're

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talking about is taking out um whether they're invasive or not, but right now the bushes that you're proposing to take out are home for wildlife and they also are the buffer between, you know, that bird lookout that we have.

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>> Okay. [clears throat] If you take out the entire buffer and you turn that into grass with six inch high little tiny plants along the whole lineup, you will eliminate your bird rrookery because the

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bird rrookery needs cover. Animals need cover. They don't nest on the shoreline. They don't even well some of them do but some of the threatened species that nest in the rrookery they will not be there

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if they don't have >> in the it's on the island. >> Yes. And I spoke to >> and I spoke to the regional wildlife conservation biologists for non non-game species >> and he said that basically

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about >> yeah about making sure with our wildlife making sure that the wildlife was protected and the birds he said if it's a threatened species you have to have a 350 a 330 foot buffer. >> Um so you so we've got that >> we've met that with the rrookery. You're

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you're not understanding the point. The birds will not continue to nest there if you don't give a buffer between the populated area and the activity area. Those plants serve a purpose. Taking the

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plants down from the height they are now to a very low point is going to drive away the wildlife that you have in that area. That's your opinion. >> Well, I mean, have you spoken to a biologist about that? Okay. >> And so, wait a second. Please get the

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picture. You showed me a picture earlier when I asked. Where is the picture? >> She she has a copy. >> Who has a copy of the picture? I mean, at that point, there was no foliage right there in the front. >> That's another You could see it. Andy was not impacted.

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>> more stuff there at the top. >> So, let's look Let the commission look at this. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I spoke to the mayor before this was built. The rrookery is >> the mayor. Which mayor? Let's be specific.

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>> I don't even remember. But >> I'm this mayor. >> Okay. I know that. >> Okay. I know. I just want to make sure. But you said I spoke to the mayor and I just want to make sure everybody knows. It's not >> this mayor before this bird viewing stand was built.

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>> Okay. The number of birds who nest that nest here um has not been stable over the years. It's been reducing. I have been studying the rrookery for 64

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years. Okay. My grandmother studied the rrookery. She brought scientists here from Gainesville who studied the rrookery and banded birds. I have documentation that one time this rrookery had 1,800

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birds nesting there. That was in 1963. I have gone out here almost every summer. man-made activities have greatly affected it and what I spoke to the mayor about before they decided to build

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this is and this is what people need to understand and I you know biologist is all well and good but I'm a very dedicated burer and I've talked to other birders and it is it's just commonly

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known wildlife need cover My point to the mayor when they built this was they needed to be very careful because the presence of people and the absence of the shrubbery which was there for a long time would have an adverse impact on the

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presence of wildlife and the nesting birds and it has done so. So in other words I don't think that this project is going to deliver on helping wildlife. I think it needs to go back to the drawing

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board. And the city manager mentioned to me this morning, maybe we could do a combo, but quite frankly, I am very distressed at if I wish to swim in Lake Stella, I know I'm swimming in more ick that comes off of the roads. I'm

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swimming in oil. I'm swimming in yard chemicals. And we're increasing the amount of sediment that goes into the lake. At this point, I would rather pay the fine because I really don't think other than now, will this project clear

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the view so that if you're walking on the sidewalk, you can see the water? Yes. Will it actually help the presence and um the presence of wildlife and the protection of wildlife, which is the purpose of our conservation area? No, I

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don't think it will. I really don't think it will. is to improve water quality. >> Yeah. >> Which therefore will help wildlife >> because they all live there and the water you just said yourself the water quality is bad. Yes. >> And it has been bad. But there's two projects. The one that you're talking

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about is going to have an expensive ongoing cost that we cannot afford. >> Okay. >> Well, no, but but I mean common sense. >> They've already said common sense is you've got man. >> Hang on just a second. What I am saying

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is is that you won't have to worry about the water. >> I'm gonna call a point of order. [clears throat] >> Did I just finish my sentence? >> You I've let you go on and on and on and we are running out of time. So >> lecturing us and I don't know why you're lecturing us. >> I called point of order

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>> and I would like to have a motion on the table. If someone has a motion on the table, >> Commissioner Lori has contradicted me and said something that is not true. You can improve the water quality, but that doesn't really help the wildlife if the overall environment for them causes them

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to leave. That's the problem. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> I move that we approve the option one project for uh Lake Stella. >> Okay. Do I have a second? >> Second.

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>> We have a proper motion and a second. Do we have any further discussion? >> Not. Do we have any public comment? Okay, I'm gonna Madam Clerk, if you would please. >> Commissioner Moore, >> I. >> Commissioner Devito, >> I.

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>> Vice Mayor Lori, >> I. >> Mayor Myers, >> I thank you. Thank you. And if you would just make sure I know the gentleman that I spoke to today, um he's sending information over on the wildlife. Yes, ma'am. and and the requirements and said that he could he could possibly assist

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with that too to make sure that everybody the marsh rabbits and the birds are protected. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. >> And could we all please have the same information because apparently we don't. >> I don't have any information. Look what I have. Commissioner Devita, look what I have.

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>> Postit notes. >> Post-it notes. That's what I have. You want these? I'll hand these to you and you can have all my post-it notes. That's all I have. Nobody has information. Nobody has information that you don't have. I made a phone call. That was it. And so I've asked him, if

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you get that information, would you please make sure you share it with everyone? Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. >> With that, let's move on. >> Next is our unifor uniform contract approval and one of our bud bud um [clears throat] so [laughter] long night. It's 9:41. I'm

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so sorry. And one of our workshops, we uh trying to put budget and workshop together there. Uh, in one of our budget workshops, we uh talked about our uniform rental, um, Bonnie, our assistant city manager, did a wonderful job on getting several contractors in

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here with the same work to, um, see what our needs are, price this out. We have a cost now of $129.95. I'm looking for approval to move forward with this uniform service with CentOS and um this will be put into our general

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fund budget which we already accounted for for next FY 2627 and this would not start until October. The reason I'm asking for approval ahead of time is because we need a lead time to get everybody fitted properly and the time frame for them to come in and uh and

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take care of that. Um, I told the gentleman that I would move forward with asking approval to sign the contract in this meeting and he was setting up a meeting next week to come in and uh and start fitting everybody. >> Has he looked at the contract? >> Uh, he has not seen the contract. It's a

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very basic contract. I will I will get it over to the University of Nebraska or something. I believe it's a five-year contract. There is an out uh depending on but it's tiered on that. Um and I will I will rectify you know Mr. Holmes.

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>> Okay. >> I move that we authorize city manager and approve the CentOS uniform service contract. >> Okay. Do we have a second? >> I second. >> We have a proper motion and a second. Do

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we have discussion? >> Commissioner Devito. >> Yes. Um I know the city manager proposed this for the fiscal year 2627 budget and that's great. Um but what this motion to

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get started is doing is cutting off um the ability of the commission to determine when we get to first reading, is there something else that we feel is a higher priority that we might need to

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spend the $7,000 for? Um, as well, I I believe we asked the city manager to provide us with a roll back rate budget, >> did we not? >> No. >> Um, you you did. >> I didn't. You did. I I saw that in a

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minute. But but but yeah, I mean, so I'm saying provide we have to provide uniforms for our employees. >> Yes. Have you looked Have you looked at our uniforms? Have you seen them? I mean honestly if you look at our guys out there >> it really is. >> My question my question to the city

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manager was how many employees are we providing the uniforms for >> and he just said it's not by the employee I mean the original proposal as I understood it was that all employees from the city manager on down would be wearing these uniforms

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>> and including the >> the staff anybody that interacts with the public would be wearing uniforms. >> Okay. and it would be polo [clears throat] shirt with city logo. Some staff would have their name and their position or title on that on that city shirt. >> Um, and it's not by person, it is by

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garment that they do it by. But we're covering we're covering 90% of the city. There's some city staff that do not interact with the public that don't want to be part of of the program and they they're not accounted for. >> Okay. So, how many other small towns do

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this? I did not make a phone call. I I know the city that I came from had that public works had all of their own uh shirts and the the city logo for public works. Um city staff had it as well. So anybody in the administration in city

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hall has their name on their shirt and has a city logo on their shirt. It's very professional. It also helps out our staff. Um so they don't have to worry about their clothing and worry about going out and shopping for clothing which can be difficult for some. And it's also directly in service. So, every single week we're getting clean, uniform

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clothes in here. >> Everyone's professional. >> It's very professional. >> And I've gone to certain I've gone to other cities and it it always is very professional. I've always said, you know, I wish we I wish I wish we even we had we don't even have anything. And we've complained about that when we're marching in the parade. We just are

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wearing our regular clothes. But regardless, regardless, we've got to take pride in our employees, >> right? we have got to to where they feel good about what they're doing. And if you look at the you even the shirts that they're using, if they get a shirt,

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>> they are not for today's conditions. I mean, you look at look at your landscapers that are out there. They have much better shirts that the companies are providing for them. They have sun protection. There are so many things that we are not providing to our

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employees, >> but it's a reflection on us. And if we don't take pride in us ourselves and our employees, then how do we expect them to take pride in themselves? >> Correct. And effective too. It's a public safety thing. When you have someone from Princess Natural Gas show up to your door, you know it's them

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because they have a shirt that looks nice, has the logo on it, has their name on it. I mean, and you're letting that person into your house and you know that that's from the city. And public works employees, you can identify them and you know who they are and you know that that's who they are. I mean, it it's really sad that some of what we have our

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employees wearing. and the safety aspect of it, too. I mean, we're dealing with extremely hot weather and these shirts, the new technology allows them to stay cool out in the middle of the day. And that's what we're looking to do. >> And you had the employees all try these shirts and they all >> we all the employees actually were part

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of the employees were part of the process with every company that came in to actually look at the clothing and the style of clothing, feel them, look at them. And CentOS was the one of course with cost and the and the product. color are they looking to do? >> There's multiple colors. We can actually

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choose multiple, but we're sticking to our our color pattern. >> Yeah. >> Okay. But you do realize that we are looking at the passage potentially of amendment three [clears throat] and >> you can't just stop everything.

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>> Okay. But but we are going to have Can I finish please? We are going to have to make choices. We are going to have to think about [clears throat] is this one of the things that gives the public a poor perception.

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>> Um I I think it might be I've not gotten very good comments about this. Um I think our employee >> What do you mean you haven't gotten good comments? >> I haven't gotten good comments about it >> from members of the public way >> saw it on the agenda. They think

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>> it said that what that spending money to give your employees clothes. >> Okay. We still we have to buy them clothes anyway. >> Okay. I you can't argue with people who made a comment to me, >> but you're repeating it. So, >> yes. Okay. And I repeating it because just

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>> we can make this decision with the other budget decisions. I think that's a more appropriate time. And yes, our employees need safe clothing, but we don't necessarily need the deluxe version with laundry in included. I I just think I

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would rather spend money on staff training and adequate clothes for those who actually work outside. And I think that this is just premature. >> We did not go with the deluxe package. Um we went with a step down from that. And I will say that the reason I'm

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bringing this up now is because I want to start out the new fiscal year on a solid footing. I want to be different. I want the the employees here to have to look and have class with what they're wearing out. They are representing the

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city 247. I want them to be uniform and professional. And that's not just in the field, but that's in house here at the city hall. >> Well, I think our employees have always been professional. I think what they're lacking is training. I'm going to entertain a motion. 7 motion at this

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time. >> I I already made a motion. Oh, we have a motion. Okay, we have a motion. That's right. You second it. Okay, we have a proper motion. >> Do we have any public comment? >> Okay, seeing no one come forward. Madam clerk, if you would please do a roll

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call for us. >> Commissioner Moore, >> I. >> Commissioner Do, >> nay. >> Vice Mayor Lori, >> I. >> Mayor Myers, >> I approve. >> Please make sure though, and this is an we should that he approves everything in that contract

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>> 100%. and that you have an out. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. That's very important. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Because we don't have crystal ball. >> No, we don't. >> Actually, one of the things in the contract says that if your income is reduced, you're allowed to

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>> No, I mean it's Yeah, I've never seen that in the contract. That's why I thought it was kind of funny. >> Kind of interesting. >> I think our guys I'm looking forward to it for our guys. Um, okay. So, let's move on. So, we've going to go back to our minutes that we put at the end of the meeting.

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Let's go back to We've got a group of minutes here. Um, there were some I guess some changes that um, Commissioner Deito made. Had everyone had a chance. Did you have a chance to

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look at her recommended changes? Do we have a um Is this When did When did this come in? >> Uh at about 3:45 this afternoon. >> Yes.

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>> Okay. Mayor, if I could, we did not approve. There were several sets of minutes that were presented at the July meeting, but we went till 11 o'clock and we deferred approval of the minutes that should have been considered at that

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meeting to this meeting. So now we have about eight sets of minutes for the July meeting. I submitted um changes. Well, I actually had some questions. Um

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the main concerns I had um besides I think there was one set of minutes of the July meeting where I don't know I believe because it's hard to remember back that far. I believe maybe we didn't have a roll call,

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maybe not. Um, but there were a couple of significant issues um for the June 9th CRA workshop. Um, it didn't identify who Katherine Beck was or what she did and I wrote

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that in um >> the first read of the March 16th. Yeah, we've got So, we've got the March 16th and that was more that was the budget. Wait, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. March 16th was a budget

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workshop or a staff work? >> No, it was a CRA workshop, >> but it wasn't it didn't involve it was not a commission workshop. It was a staff workshop where they explained the CRAAS. And so my question was, >> why do we have minutes to this? It's a

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staff workshop. Why is the commission approving it? And I asked, were there two or more commissioners present so that we needed to have minutes? If so, it should show who was there. I just didn't understand. I was present. >> You and Derek present. >> Yep. Derrick and I were both can.

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>> So, we can we >> can prove this one, >> right? >> And it's just for the record. It could just you could do something with it. So, it's not, you know, it's just as a record >> for someone that if they wanted to know what was what was presented at it. So, then let's move on. We got a CRA

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workshop that was on June 9th, >> right, >> at 10:00 a.m. >> Right. And so on page two, um, I asked that Katherine Beck be identified and it described that she was present by Zoom

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and answer questions from the CRA board members about Main Street organizations and operations in the Crescent City Main Street program. um that uh I noted well no that's okay I think that was the main

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>> okay issue there leaving out C >> six minutes we have six minutes >> okay well we have to approve minutes and so >> so do we need a motion >> I'm going to need a motion >> okay I move that we approve the June 9th

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CRA workshop minutes with the addition on page two um that describes uh Katherine Beck being present and what she did present by Zoom. >> Okay. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> We have a proper motion and a second.

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All in favor, please say I. >> I. Those opposed, nay. Okay. So, approved. >> Let's move on. We've got June 11. Those are the commission meeting minutes, right? And um mayor, I don't know about

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the rest of y'all what you may have, but I noted that for proclamations, the votes were taken but not recorded. Um pages 2 to four, there were a number of votes. The motions are not written as

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stated. They're summarized. The commissioner previously requested that motions be reported as stated. Um >> Okay. And I mentioned that to um Sharita also and so she um

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>> that we need to make sure that the motions so >> um that the motions are stated that the motions are stated in the minutes right and then on >> and she did that from there forward. So from there forward she has done that. >> All right. So on page three um I noted

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what should be a clarium with the A leaves out the A should be a clarion and the minutes don't reflect the attorneys and uh the city manager explained the lawsuit. >> Okay, please make a change. Please make your recommended change.

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>> So I would like to move Oh. Um there was no motion there. There were no motions to extend. So I think those need to be added. So I would say that um we should approve the

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minutes from the regular meeting June 11th um correcting the name Clarion to Aclarian to include u the fact that um an explanation of the lawsuit took place

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um and that um the motions to extend the >> I'm not sure we extended that I'm not sure we extended that meeting the July meeting. >> It was It says 11 minutes. >> I know, but I questioned I questioned. >> I thought it was

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>> So, we're not sure what happened with that. So, that needs to be looked at. >> I don't know. Either of the time's wrong. >> So, I'll second that. Okay. >> Okay. So, we have a proper motion and a second. All in favor, please say I.

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>> Okay. Let's move on because you've got approximately three minutes. Thank you. Yeah. >> And we haven't gotten to anything else. >> So, um, does someone want to do a motion to extend? >> I move that we extend 15 minutes

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>> till 10:15. >> Till 10:15. >> Do I have a second? >> I'll second it. >> Have a proper motion in a second. All in favor, please say I. >> I. >> I. >> Oppose? Nay. Okay. Let's go on to June 16th. >> Okay. I move that we approve the

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meetings from [clears throat] the budget workshop of June 16th. Although yes. >> Okay. So I have second. We have proper motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. >> I. Those opposed? Nay. Okay. So move

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July 8th, 2026, the budget workshop. >> Yeah, this one doesn't have the roll call on it. >> Yeah, that one's not doesn't have the roll call. >> So we need to do the roll call here. I move that we approve the July 8th minutes with the addition of the roll call.

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>> Okay. Do I have the second? >> I'll second it. >> Okay. All in favor, please say I. I. >> Those opposed, nay. Okay. So, move. We're going to move on to July 9th, 2026. These are the regular commission meeting minutes. >> I have a few from this one.

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>> Okay. >> Um the somewhere I see on page page numbers now. On page three, it says Summit Street Coffee Express. where the coffee came from. >> Um, >> and historic. >> Described as historic.

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>> Well, it is. >> It is. They're using the old They're using the old sign. >> Um, >> it's not historic, but it's not. >> Is that You have that as the Coffee Express because I asked Sharita about this and I guess you had it listed as coffee express. That's the one at the very far end that we did.

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>> Summit Street. Summit Street. >> Summit Street Express. Okay. So, we need to take coffee out, correct? And I would prefer that we take out historic because it's not old. Just replace old. They're using the old sign. >> Yes, that's fine. Replace historic with

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old. That's fine. >> And then um at the bottom of page four, it talks about staff advised the school board returns the majority of the property affected by the proposed ordinance, which is not correct. They don't have the majority of the property. and then the amendment which would affect the implementation of the

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amendment. I don't even understand why it says that. Um so I would say you need to remove that whole line from after school board to ordinance and then to opt out and put period right there. I don't know

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what it's talking about amendment. That's just wrong. >> That's the bottom of page four. >> Um you got that. Okay. And then the um at the that same ordinance though, he says the ordinance received a 3-2 vote.

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This is at the top of page five with Commissioner Burton to veto in that position. However, no formal motion was stated before the vote. I'm like that makes no sense. I think I was the one that moved to approve. Um you might want to check the >> she did she checked it several times for some reason.

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So what happened is there was a motion to extend right before that and I think um because that motion was uh rescended and went back and forth that we thought there was a motion and there wasn't. >> Yeah, I I double checked. >> Okay. >> So yeah, that's an that was an issue

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that that I brought up with Sharita that we possibly had to ask Dawn what we need to do with that because we voted on it, we approved it. >> Yeah. >> But we didn't have the proper motion. [clears throat] Um, and which ordinance was that?

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>> 20 2604, the small comp plan amendment. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, you didn't have a motion. >> We did have a motion, but we voted on it. >> So, tell me what the confusion was. There was a motion and it was rescended. >> A motion to extend and then they

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rescended it. >> That's when they went back and forth and Commissioner Devito said she no longer could the And so, we went back and forth. Everybody went back and forth. Do we extend? Do we not extend? Is everybody too tired? Are they not too tired? Do we

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want to go forward? We ended up going forward. And so in the middle of all of that though was this ordinance >> which was the one. This was last month in the middle of it >> for the um small sale comp amendment. >> So that would be my fault because

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obviously I thought I heard that we had a motion and we did not have a motion. Um so um anyway we took a vote. >> What was the vote was >> 32 32 >> approved >> but I mean because this is a complaint

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amendment >> small scale right? >> Yeah. >> Um so obviously y'all thought you thought you knew what you voted. >> We knew what we were voting for. We had discussed it. There was discussion and

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that's where the school even you had said that the school was probably going to opt out. >> They did >> and they did. >> So who do you have as a second? So you had a you don't did you you don't have a motion at all? >> No motion. No second.

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>> But there was a vote. >> There was a Yeah, there was a vote. So we weren't even >> Can we vote on nothing? Well, we all thought there was >> Well, I think you were thinking you're voting on something. So, my question is

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um when u the chairman called for a vote, do you did was there language where she was stating um basically in some fashion describing what she thought y'all were voting on? >> Yes. Yes. So after the

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the um with the extension um she says um I believe something to the effect of um do we have a motion and then yes everybody seems to kind of agree and then she says okay well let's vote on this and then I do roll call and we

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proceed >> on the motion to approve the ordinance. You know, I think if it's the the consensus that you thought you were voting on approval of the ordinance, it

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was a 3-2 vote. Um, I I don't think the technicality that there wasn't a formal motion made probably is fatal, but is that the that was a compliment amendment that now is not moving forward anyway? Correct.

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>> So, the bottom bottom line, it's not even being brought up. that second reading. >> So, I don't know that I spent a lot of time worrying about that. I think that we'll you thought you were voting on a motion, there was confusion. You thought there had been a motion made for approval. Three thought you were voting in favor, two thoughts you were voting

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against. >> And if there's an issue in the future, then we could bring it back up. Correct. >> Yeah. Right now, it's >> okay. >> Deal. >> Um I don't think so. >> Okay. Um on page six, city manager performance review, it just has the

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increase and not the fact that we did the um the performance review. I think I've talked we talked about that, Sharas. >> So we need to include that his performance was his performance review was conducted.

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Okay. Does anybody have anything else? considered under the city attorney. It says something about city attorney Don Holmes reported that he filed a motion to set aside default along with a memorandum of law. Is that is that proper term? What >> it was? Yeah, they had filed a motion

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for Yes, it was. I filed a motion to set aside the default which had been entered against the city. >> Okay. >> And I filed a memorandum of law in support of my motion. >> Okay. >> And that was that's accurate. Thank you. >> Okay. and I'll entertain a motion. May I? >> Yes. Commissioner.

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>> So on whatever page it is when we approved resolution number 202611 setting the maximum millage rate. Um isn't it customary to actually put what

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the maximum wait what motion was or we did the maximum millage rate. Yes. We don't say what it >> was and I find that to be very unusual. >> Okay. So, let's include it. So, we'll just include that. The commission

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directed the two versions will be um >> two resolution number. Okay. So, make sure that we include that. So I move that we approve the what's it July July the 9th regular commission and

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meeting minutes with the changes that we >> Okay we have a second >> okay all in favor please say I those opposed nay. >> Um I'll say I but I also think the name of inspired tech is not the name of the company.

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>> Yes it is. >> Is it >> the old IT company? >> Inspired tech. Yes, it's inspired tech. >> Okay. >> Inspired technology. >> Okay. So, July 20th. >> July 16th. >> Um, okay. July Oh, yeah. July 16th. I'm

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just trying to >> So, July 16th, we have any >> There's no roll call, >> right? Call. There's a roll call. No, >> that's I don't have any comments, but I approve the July 16th workshop minutes.

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Okay. As presented. >> Okay. Do I have a second? >> Okay, we have a proper motion and second. All in favor, please say I. I. Those opposed, nay. >> Okay, let's move on to the July 20th.

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Um, there were a couple in here, I think. >> There's Yeah, there no roll call. And then Commissioner Devito, I believe, moved that Crescent City Woman Civic Association back to school event. >> Yeah, I was wondering how you moved. >> Yeah. No, I noted that. That's in the

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list I sent. And as well, if you go up above that, where it says Women's Civic Association, >> it says the remaining balance in the private organizations, [cough] it's aid to private organizations, not

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budget, but line item >> in the aid to private. >> Aid to private organizations. A2 private organization budget line item. It's just a line item. >> Okay. And then there were some name differences in the fire station for who

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was who was in attendance. >> John wasn't there. >> No, he wasn't there. Um Demaduke was there. Captain Demaduke, Captain Pope, and Captain were there. >> Not all. We got we have anything else? Otherwise, I'll take I'll

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>> at the end scheduled CRA budget meeting. >> This is something that the commission also noted that scheduled form >> right >> one assistant provided by Charles River that just needs to be removed. >> What again? >> The um under the commission also noted

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the scheduled form one assistance right above the journal. >> You want to remove that? >> Yeah, just remove that. I I don't know what we were talking about for a little bit >> because he was going to be there on the 23rd. I think we made that because this is the last week. So you have until Friday at noon to get your paperwork in.

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>> I changes I submitted I wrote the mayor strike form one assistance. The mayor noted that supervisor of elections Charles Overton will be at city hall on Thursday August 23rd to assist anyone who wish to file paperwork to run for city commission one and two which are up

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for election. We might just want to make sure that we have something in there that says that he was that announced that he was going to be here. the other meeting that we you had said that >> I think at the bottom we just want to make sure that it's noted in case somebody says we didn't give

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>> and I mean there's an >> okay [clears throat] I need a motion >> everybody knows that we're up for >> I need a motion >> I move that we approve the July 20th minutes with the changes that we discussed >> have a second I'll second all in favor

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please say I oppose nay okay so moved We're going to go to the city manager report. Do we have um anything on the city manager report? >> Everybody good? I have one question. Okay. So, the um city manager report

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included uh the information about the audit which form said would be done by August 31st, but it's my understanding that the audit is supposed to come to us first. >> You answer those in the email, >> but I just want to

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That way they have an opportunity to come to us >> as soon as we >> Excuse me. >> What you do? >> No. Okay.

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>> Aren't we supposed to separate >> accept the audit before it goes to the auditor general? Is that the procedure? >> Not if we wanted to get it there faster since you're already complaining about it being late. Should we be happy to

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send it? >> Typically though, you know, typically um the audit, you submit the audit. Isn't that correct? And then then they come and they give a presentation to us. >> Correct. >> So, yes. And we want to get it there ASAP. >> There's not we can't change anything in

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it. >> So, it doesn't do us any any good to review it. um because it's an independent audit and it's moreformational. They bring to us and give us a report after the fact. >> You may respond to findings if the AG's

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office provides, but sure audit. I mean, you're you commissioned the audit. They're going to provide a report from there. >> Okay. >> Do we have anything else? >> I do. >> Okay.

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that conference. Um, I did end up getting a room at the hotel at the Aaron Healthorn got me a room at the diplomat. So, um, and then I got the funds or the the amount refunded for Rachel's fee.

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So, it's $650. So, I have $400 remaining in my budget, but um, it's going to cost me $1,470 to go. So, wanted to know whether it will go.

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>> So So it's $1,000 over your budget. >> And where was that money going to come from? I've asked that my um that my train that all of my money goes back towards >> towards the healthcare. >> The healthcare.

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>> Yeah. Which is what we did. Um, >> we we I would have to take a look at this a little bit further. I didn't know the totals until just now. So, I'll have to take a look at this and get back to you on that. >> Okay. Well, he leaves. I mean, it's for next week.

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>> Okay. >> So, you know, and I understand and I know that you both, you know, you um and we've talked about this over and over again that we've got to stay within our budget. We've got to watch our budget.

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Um, >> so >> I didn't intentionally try and go over it. I mean, it's $1,470 to go to a conference. >> I know minimum it's expensive. That's that's more than I mean, that's right at our that's exactly why it don't go.

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>> Exactly why it don't go. >> I mean, but I mean, this year's is really important >> and I'm the president of the Northeast Florida League of Cities and so to not go and spend that money. But I think that, you know, I I just can't I couldn't justify it. Um,

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so >> I'm looking at the numbers now. >> Can you have it by Friday? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Add that to the agenda on Friday. >> Yes, ma'am. I can. >> Okay. >> Madam Clerk, can you make sure that gets added to the agenda, please? >> Yes.

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>> Thank you. >> Stephen, I'll take a look at this. >> Okay. >> Yeah. and and see because the commission's going to have to vote to do this to um to whatever we're going to do with this. And thank you, Commissioner Lori, for getting Rachel taken care of. And I I figured that they would do that.

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>> Well, they actually overcharged me, too, for the extra tickets, which and then charged for her, too. So, they're refunding all that. So, >> thank you. So, we'll take this up on Friday. Everybody's in agreement that we'll add this to the agenda on Friday. >> Yes. And may I have one question for the

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city attorney? >> Are we on to that part yet? >> Yes, because we have three minutes. Just update on pending lawsuit. >> So, as I think I said last week, last [clears throat] month, they filed a motion for entry of a default judgment.

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They already had a clerk's default based upon the fact that no answer was timely filed. They filed a motion for entry of default judgment. I had filed a motion for setting aside to set aside the default and a memorandum of law to accompany it. Neither motion had been

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called up for hearing. Um I could call it up for hearing, but at that point things are going to start moving and if they're content to let it lay then >> but I'm just saying the update is there's nothing happening. I'm not suggesting you do anything.

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>> Yeah. Update is we're very stalemate. So I would assume then if it's going to go forward >> the courts are fairly uh lenient in allowing u the faults to be set aside where there's some excusable neglect alleged.

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hopefully our my memorandum obtained an affidavit from the mayor to recall um detailing why the uh the confusion with the fact that it was sent to our risk carrier and you know wasn't related to

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me etc etc. So I would I would believe that the odds are pretty high that if in fact we push those both those motions to forward. Um there's good possibility the court will grant my motion to set aside the default allow us to enter a an

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answer on the merits but then that starts the litigation for [clears throat] in terms of you know >> and mayor for the commission I have I think we need a policy speaking of policies of how lawsuits are handled and

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regular reports to the commission um I think that would help us going forward Thank you. Um I have one I can I can report on my ethics my ethics hearing is completed to this point. Thank you. We did prevail

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for attorney's fees for um the administrative law judge found that there there was malicious intent. And so they after much going back and forth um the ethics commission held up his

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decision. And so we finalized that two weeks ago. We're um so that was that was I was pleased to get that behind us hopefully. >> And with that so I just gave that report so you know and it would be in a reimbursement back to um FMIT that would

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be a reimbursement for attorney's fees back to FMIT which you know represented um me through the the insurance policy that we have. I think that's it. Does anybody have anything else? Otherwise, we're going to

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see each other on Friday at what time? 10 o'clock. >> 11 o'clock. Okay. 11 o'clock. >> Can I have one minute there? >> Um, you've got >> one minute. It's all I need. >> You have two minutes. >> Okay. Uh, permit renewal status is going

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to be complete this week. Um, the required visits were done. This is for our wastewater treatment facility. >> And so, that's been taken care of. I was also able to get a hold of FEMA public assistant project status uh personnel um

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and they moved up the ladder to to FEMA directly to FEMA or I'm sorry, FDM moved that up to FEMA uh for us to get the additional $24,000 for our hurricane um um program that we had those funds for

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the the docks. Um the other thing is too, if you'll go in and read your report under the gas department, Dave's laid out a plan. We have a secondary backup plan for his replacement. He is now stating that March of 2027 question mark is the time frame that he's looking

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to move out. We are training internally right now. Um the forecast for hiring the person we were kind of looking at might be outside of what we can afford. And so we we have a backup plan. We're working through that backup plan. Other than that, I didn't have anything other

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major items to go over. That's all I >> have a quick question about the backup plan. Is that a plan that is approved by FGU? Do they do they >> It's a plan that they've been they've been informed of with Dave and this is something that um I've given Dave the

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latitude to move forward with. >> Okay. >> Dave David Frank feels very confident in this individual who's already here at the city at this time who also has mid management experience and experience in gas utility. >> Okay.

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>> Okay. Is 10:15. We have a proper motion to adjurnn. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor say I. I. So adjourn. 10:15. Thank you all very much. >> 109. >> That's wrong.

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[laughter] >> I know, Don. I know. Wishful thinking. Wishful. She's right there. [clears throat]