--------- Okay, I'm going to call this special meeting um to order. The date is October 7th, 2025. It is approximately 3:32. Thank you um everyone for attending. I'm
going to start off with Madame Clerk. Um would you please do a roll call of your executive staff? >> Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Lisa Deito >> executive. >> Am I not recognizing the commission? >> Well, yes, but I meant I don't know that
you want I don't know. >> Okay. My apologies. >> City Manager Derek Martin here. >> Assistant City Manager Christina Marie >> present. >> Finance Director Steve Conkland >> here.
Utility director Jocelyn Barry here. Public works director Kate Harris >> here. >> Natural gas director David Frank >> here. >> Code enforcement officer Pamela Taylor >> here
and she hid the funeral director Sheila Walker >> here. Now you want to do >> Yes ma'am. Commissioner Lisa Devito >> present. >> Commissioner William Lorie >> present. >> Commissioner Linda Moore
>> here. >> Commissioner Cynthia Burton >> here. >> City attorney Leo Mleus >> here. Mayor Meyers >> present. Thank you. With that, I'm gonna ask, would you please our invitation to
stand if you're able? Dear heavenly father, once again, we want to thank you for allowing us to come together. We thank you for your grace and your mercy. We thank them allowing us to be in the midst today. We ask that you have mercy upon us. We ask that we agree and disagree in unity. And
always remember the golden rule, do unto others as we have them do unto us. We ask you bless us, keep us in the hour. All these rest we do ask in thy son Jesus name. Amen. Amen. >> And the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of
America and to the stands one nation for all. um commissioners, it was a request that was made from um uh the employees that this not be
televised. Um I don't have that authority. It was advertised that it would not be on um YouTube and I did speak to Dawn about that and he said absolutely that was fine but that the commission um we would have to take a
vote on it. So we are currently live but um I I will entertain a motion out of respect for every wish. >> I move that we do not televised this meeting. >> I'll second you have a motion in a second. Do we have any discussion?
What is the reason that we don't want to televised? They just that was their wishes. That was their wishes. So there was my understanding um that you sent us an email last Friday or
Thursday, I forget which that said um there was a senior staff level resignation and that two other individuals had indicated the possibility of resigning and so you were calling a special meeting.
So, is this meeting called at the request of our staff or >> No, this this meeting's called at I think that we as the commission when you start to see an exodus like this that we have the responsibility to um to discuss
it and so that's why I called that. So, right now we currently have a motion. Um do we have any further discussion? If not, would you please do a roll call? >> Commissioner Bergman. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Horn. I >> Commissioner Lorie. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Devito.
>> Nay. >> Mayor Myers. >> Hi. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Can you Part: 2
system. 7 um 2025. The time is approximately 10:08 and we've called this workshop to get um in order to discuss fire department and
what options that we have. And so with that, I'm gonna um ask the clerk if she would please do a roll call. Commissioner Lisa Kando, present. Commissioner William War present. Commissioner Linda Moore here. Commissioner Cynthia Burton
here. City Manager Derek Martin here. Public Works Director Keith Harris here. Finance Director Steve Conlin here. And joining us is Mr. Robert Taylor with
A1A Architect. Good afternoon. Sorry I'm a little late. We just started. We're just kicking it off. Today is city planner Rebecca Codle with Deco and Associates. Mayor Myers.
Thank you very much. Okay, with that Commissioner Movation Stand if you are able, please. Let's bow our heads. Dear heavenly father, once again, we come before you. We want to thank you for your grace and mercy. We want to thank you for waking
us up this morning to a brand new day. We want to thank you for allowing us to come together. One more time, we ask that you give us grace and mercy. Help us to do and think and speak those things that'll be placed in your sight. We ask you be with each of each of us today and continue to give us knowledge
and understanding to be able to do thy will. We ask that you bless our little city here. We ask you bless surrounding counties. Help us all to do your will. All these blessings we do ask in thy son Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Pledge of allegiance
to the flag of the United States of America stands one indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Um before we get started, I just have a couple of housekeeping
things that um if I can remember. Um so one of them is um I I believe you sent something out to all the commission commissioner um had sent something a request from the Presbyterian church.
Yes. Sorry. Go ahead. Um, so if if please everybody, we need to let the let her know if you're planning to be present. Um, and if you have any employees that are planning to be present, I don't know if you've gotten that to her, but we need to make sure we get that information as soon as
possible. I will certainly I'll definitely be there. We'll circle back today and I'll talk to everybody individually as well. Okay. Um, the other thing is is there's a proclamation and I don't know if you got it sent out to you. Please, if you would read over that if you've got some
changes um you know about just there was part I was going to add to it. Okay. We have to in in the um the problem is and when when you did it is it's that size. We have to be careful because Mel, you're going to have to let
us know if you would how much we can actually there's so much that I took some things took some things out, you know, added some things in, but then I said she's got to be able to squeeze that into It's a legal size. Is that what it is? It's a legal.
It's legal. So, you know, but by all means, please any of your um any um input you want on that, please get that so that we can have that um on on Thursday. Thank you, Commissioner D.
That's very beautiful. Um I read it and it's my only question and um it's a lot of work to do these things and I know because of my time in life, yeah, done quite a few. It's a lot of work. um comes from my state when I had to do
that for the cabinet. So, we did a lot of those. Um so, I asked I sent an email to um our city attorney and I haven't heard back. Um do we have to make changes in a
meeting? I know that usually you have the discretion to prepare and present proclamations because I brought my changes to the meeting. I didn't know maybe if sometime today we could just um discuss it briefly because I had a
couple things I wanted to ask Commissioner Lori whether he thought well let's go ahead and get that out. Let's go ahead and if you've got that ready now that you can do that so we can get that done so we don't forget because I don't want us to forget and I think as long as you provide it to the clerk
um and and then she sends it out then then we should be you know we should be okay with that. We've done that in the past. that but I know usually they just come prepared. Um so you want me to go ahead? Yeah, let's let's finish it up. Yeah.
Okay. So, well um and these are just things that I know about. Well, the first the first thing I noticed was um many accomplishments. It mentions life solutions. Where is Sorry, I lost track
of a paragraph that talked about the Oh, um the third whereas class where it talks about during her tenure as mayor um the thing she championed downtown development, parks, beautifification projects, historic preservation was a big one of her issues.
Add that. By all means add that. So I would put that in the third paragraph. Everyone's in agreement. Absolutely. because she was the catalyst behind the effort to establish a historic district. She's but isn't that correct? Okay. Um
because she presented on that to the recently to the historical society. Um and then also one two three four five in the fifth whereas clause um where it says she was a woman of deep faith and compassion. Um, when you say a lifelong
member of the First Presbyterian Church, that's really an individual church. Like I would take out first because you know she was born in Orlando and then she came here. Was she a Presbyterian in Orlando as an infant? Right. But I'm saying it might you would
just say because I know that they said they went to the Methodist church just to pray that day when they got here. So I didn't know. I I don't know either. Um, I you could just say she was a member of the Presbyterian Presbyterian Church. And actually, I can
write this down. Um, she was an ordained serving elder. I had heard that she was an elder, but I just I didn't want to put that in there until we had confirmed. Well, I would. So, I had I had read that she somewhere
that she was an elder and heard that. So, um, so anyway, I I don't know what her longtime church membership was. I know the family was, well, I think like Commissioner Lori said that lifelong Presbyterian. Okay,
just we can take out first because it there can be other churches, you know, there can be Meadowwood or Okay, that's um so and then also um I don't know that active authoritarian fits in the religious paragraph.
Um I think it should be in the next paragraph where it talks about being a successful businesswoman. Um, I would just add in the third line of that next paragraph, um, I don't know what Commissioner Lori thinks of this, but where it says fairness, honest, and
service to others, uh, and was for many years an active rotarian because traditionally Rotary, it's a non-religious. That's fine. That's that's fine. I just wanted to make sure we got that in there. So, if you want if you want to move it over, absolutely
that. You agree with that? Okay. Okay. And I'll write these down and provide them to the clerk. Okay. That's it. Commissioner Moore, you got yours in there. That was that was my only change was great. Thank you.
Got that taken care of. Thank you, mayor. And thank you for just doing this. Thank you. Oh, no. Absolutely. We need to That's very important. Um Okay, let's get started. I'm going to turn it over to um going to give an overview. Can you give us an overview of where we are?
Sure. where we're going. Sure. Absolutely. Um so today's meeting is just to discuss um the future of our existing fire department and location uh and possible locations that we can uh maybe move it to. Um the current
property has some limitations um in regard to growth. Um but it also has positives as well being on the main road and being visible which is very important to the city. Um, another issue is that uh but it doesn't have um a room for a helipad which the new current
chief has talked about even though we have a an agreement with a local um business private property to have that helilopad. Um there's been some talk about um finding one in regard to uh temporary versus temporary status just because of the construction taking
place. But we do have uh an agreement with the the owner that that's uh that that we can still use that property during the uh the time frame for the construction and expansion of their property. With that being said, um we have worked u prior to me uh coming here
as city manager staff has worked um endlessly to get this uh the appropriations. Um, we originally last year was awarded $1 million in appropriations for the fire department to expand their building and to um to add uh changes that would um fortify
that building and allow for better usage uh and efficiency of the fire department, new bay um facilities for um men and women, volunteers for sleeping quarters and other other purposes. Um that building that's existing now was never really meant for those purposes.
It was an existing business years back and it was retrofitted um in order to accommodate the the fire department. Um with that being said, uh this year we were um blessed as a city to receive another $2 million appropriation and um
and and from that $2 million the question was can we combine funds? The biggest um the biggest issue here in this discussion we're talking about is that originally we were set with $1 million um budget and of course that had constraints based for the design that we were going to have and the work that
needed to take place uh in order to make sure we had a correct infrastructure. Um in this sense it would be a water man for water pressure. And so we had to phase out the plan um and also work with another uh appropriations project in
order to try to um get that water there and time it um perfectly uh in order to um utilize that site. Um we have met with after getting the $2 million award, the big question was can we combine those funds. We met with the uh with
Lauren Tingle um which is the representative from the state. She is the senior's grant specialist. I had forwarded information to you all um regarding the status of that meeting. Um we discussed what our key deadlines were. Um we discussed the um the
appropriations and whole how how we could utilize those funds. Could we get them combined? Um the answers were yes. Um they gave us um green light to combine those funds. They gave us green light if we needed to purchase a property. We could utilize funds to purchase property. Um they gave us uh
the green light to change the plan because that was discussed. Um we have already hired through process um a company um for that purpose. Mr. Robert Taylor here with A1A. Correct. Yes. Okay. And um and he has done a fantastic
job on getting plans and specs put together. Um and so Mr. Robert Taylor um is here with us today to discuss um moving forward how that process will take place um in that meeting. To recap, we did talk about the key deadlines um
and the key responsibilities um to expect moving forward with this. Um with that being said, I'd like to turn it over to Mr. Robert Taylor to tell us where we are with the plans um where we are in the process. Thank you, Mr. Martin. May May I stand? I I think
absolutely absolutely do whatever works for you. Yes. And I also have a flex drive if you'd like to. That's if you want to do that, you can. That's awesome also. All right. Give me a minute to set up. Is that whatever meets your needs?
My computer there any issues, but Hopefully it'll work. Yes, sir. Making sure we log in. Okay. I also have some handouts, but I think for the benefit of the audience,
this should work pretty well. while he's getting that ready as well. We we have staff has provided a few locations of possible locations um for us to review and talk about uh to see what the pros and cons are for those
locations other than the existing site that we have. Um and that's part of the discussion today as well. to the folder on the Yeah, I'm looking for the folder. Maybe you could help me with that. It's on the task bar at the bottom.
This little tiny thing. All right, we should be able to see this over to the right. It's called story and go. That shuts up. It's explorer folder. It's the folder. It's in the very middle. It's just the little It's the yellow folder.
Yeah, the explorer. Okay. And then you should have your It should show your flash drive on the left there. Yeah, that's great. Okay, I think I can take it from here. Thank you very much. Yes, sir. Thank you.
fast mouse. Yes. Now this folder contains a volume of information which included the drawings and engineer drawings that we had originally produced for the ambulance station.
So unless anybody is interested in that, I'm going to skip over to some more relevant things in this first one. Perfect. Let me see if I can get a little bit bigger. Yeah. This is what we call the phases of an
architectural service. And I think this is pretty graphic that it helps to show on the upper side of the portion what the architect is responsible for and how the process moves from the left side to the right side as it goes through the architectural service. The bottom talks
about the client responsibilities or opportunities to help guide the design. And uh you can see we're in the very early part of this this purple or lavender part here. This program, the budget analysis, the zoning review, the house built drawings, the uh client
questionnaire which may be part of the program and provide integrity and approve the program. So this is the very early stage and this is what we would call traditionally a design bid build process. Okay, which I think jives with what the state has asked us to do. All
right. So, uh, simply stated, uh, you've seen our schematic design process and the design development and then construction documents and the detailed drawings and specifications. Yes. Let me ask you a question. I may interrupt you, but do you have printed copies for
I have some hard copies. Sure. So, the commission might I know some of them? Yeah, you can pass those out. Yeah. Thank you. So, I just thought that, you know, for the convenience of and and if y'all need to pull your by
any means, by all means, pull your chairs to where you can see. Thank you. And you call this I think is the architectural service. And and mayor, if I may, I'd like to go ahead and pass these out. Absolutely. This this summary of the
work is actually what we did for the ambulance station. Yeah, I think there's enough. Okay, everybody. Yes. Of course, this hasn't been updated to accommodate the addition of the fire station criteria.
But this will be our next step in the process is to identify just close that. I don't know what that is. Um, can I ask a question before Mr. Taylor start? Okay. So, thank you, Mr.
Taylor, for being here. And the two pages that you just handed out, you said this is a summary of the work for the ambulance station. That's correct. So, for it's been a little while that was going to go on the existing site, correct?
Yes. So the proposal was for the $1 million we were going to upgrade our fire station and put the ambulance bays there. That does that describe what not exactly. The existing facility would remain essentially as is, but this would
be a brand new ambulance station and u we considered a couple of options as to its location and ultimately decided it would be best on the east side of the fire station. What what I'm trying to clarify is where we were with the initial building. Correct.
Was the new park was going to be only the ambulance station. Do I understand that? That's correct. Yes, ma'am. What have um y'all just said two different things. Well, it was a com It was a combination ambulance and dormatory with two
offices. That's what I remember. That's right, Mayor. It did have a dormator. It's dormatory because currently we have no no housing. That's right. Right. And so the actual fire station wasn't going to change very much because of the limitation of the million
dollars. Is that where we were? Wasn't going to change at all, was it, Mr. Taylor? Yes. That's what we were trying. That's what I'm saying. He had a 10ft breezeway. Is that correct? You you sent it to us. We had a 10ft breezeway got presented to us. We did have a breezeway connection. And
I do have those drawings commissioners in there. We went through all this. We've gone through all this. Yeah, this is old news. But the reason I presented this today is that this is something we need to update to accommodate the grant additional
grant requirements and uh the requirements for the fire station. And I've given this to Chief Riser for his review and comment. And I'm sorry he couldn't be here today. Uh, but I'd be delighted to work with him and other commissioners and the city manager as
necessary to update those. To me, this is one of the first things we need to do is to get the program up to speed. Yeah. Okay. Mayor, I apologize for asking for the review, but I couldn't locate my documents from whatever meeting it was. And there might be people here who would
need an update. I mean, this is for me. This is for anybody who's listening. I want to make sure. remember we had to go through the whole zoning the res and so we went through the reszoning. Um so the Episcopal church they had some concerns
and so we had we responded to those concerns. Um and that was all part of that original discussion original discussions. I remember the resigning and I think the Episcopal Church had some concerns about how close we would come to the property lines and we made those reszoning
changes. Yes. To respond to that. Right. Okay. Well, thank you. We accommodated the existing setbacks with the new construction. The setbacks. We did not encroach. We didn't want to get into another situation with that. Okay. And we did get preliminary approval from
the um building department, building and zoning department for Putin County in that process and I got got that in writing. So, just for the benefit of the audience, I pulled up that summary of the work and I don't know that that's is
particularly relevant except that this is something we're going to have to do again and be happy to help work with whomever is on that program to move it forward. And let's see,
we we had several different parcels of property being considered. Let me get my hard copy notes here as I think I've got these in some kind of order. Unfortunately, ladies and gentlemen, I did not run multiple copies
of this, but the first one you're familiar with is across the street from city hall um on Florida Avenue and I believe it's owned by Arura and Beega. Uh and from
the Yeah. Florida Avenue just down the street across the way. The first thing I did was to look at um its proximity to the current city hall and its acreage. One of the things is the helellipad that
we talked about and as I understand this will take about 150 by 150 plus air clearances. So uh this particular part of soil is only 0.58 acres. So it it wasn't adequate and and it is zoned SR1
um which may not be relevant but um simply said it is just too small. That's what it says in the property records. I'm not sure what SR stands for. Single family maybe single family res. Is that really appropriate for a helipad? No. No, it it it wouldn't work. So we'd
have to go through a reasoning process. Well, and the helellipad is not it's not okay. We we have a helellipad and we and a requirement. It's nice. It's something that we would like to if we could, but that's not
okay. Can we first decide on what what we need? Yes. Okay. And then go from there. I mean, you know, and the other thing, too, and I think I brought this up at our meeting is, you know, we have some property that we
already own, and that's what we really, I think, should be looking at, not property that we are going to purchase, property that could be used, okay, for possibly putting in homes or or something that would bring in tax dollars. So, that's been poo.
No, nothing has done nothing has been eliminated. But he's going through all the options here for us to talk about all the options. Could I be recognized for just Yes. Okay. because um I was going to ask to be recognized to say exactly what
Commissioner Burton just said, the part she said about could we please decide um what the goals are, what the scope of the project is, because to date, the city commission has really not been
involved in that. We we put in a general request to the legislature for more funding to complete however it was that was described. I saw it in there. It's about a paragraph. And then um the fire chief has come up with some ideas about
what he would like to do. And it's my understanding that the fire chief met with the city manager and other staff and the mayor and Mr. Taylor and y'all had a great discussion. But the commission as a whole, we have not
looked at I mean what I would expect for a several million dollar project like this is that we would have and no offense Mr. Taylor, you're doing a great job out there, but that part where it says um client or whatever, um I would
kind of expect the fire chief to say what we have now and specifically what we need. how many um just describe what we need and um go from there and then we
could decide. Um the fire chief seems to want a helipad. Commissioner Lori just said that's optional right there. That just clicked with me. We haven't decided what's essential and what's optional. Well, we're also looking at an old uh uh
exhibit, you know, a summary of work that was done back in September 2024 for a smaller piece of property. Correct. So, so are we going to try and take this and make this work with whatever it is
you're going to come up with for the bays and loosely or we just start from We have options. We're really going to start from scratch, Commissioner Burton. Uh this this might be a an essential item for the dorm and maybe for the
kitchen and restroom facilities, but for the apparatus bays and other functions of the fire station, they'll have to get bigger. The kitchen will get bigger. The day room will get bigger. So, this is just the beginnings. And and as you see, it's a year and a half old right now.
Yeah. So, I only gave that to you kind of you see this is what we had and we're going to go completely new. See, I'm just a person that, you know, this is what we had, but I'm a person that likes to see where we're going, right? Yeah. Okay. That's that's why I'm asking the question I'm asking. Yes, ma'am. I understand completely. And
I I think you're prudent to try to collect as much information as you can. And I think why we've got to where we are is just for and we've all we've all seen the plans. They've presented us with the plans. We've all gotten a copy of those original plans. We didn't know if we were going to get
that additional and actually we were only expecting the additional an additional million they said put in for two um no guarantee when I I know when Charles um was working with them the first year um they came back the
governor's office came back and said if you have a million can you work with a million and so we said yeah we can we'll we'll make something happen with a million absolutely um no guarantee that the next year we would get it. Fortunately, and we're very blessed. I
had to sit with mayors this morning and that got nothing this last year and you know and we talked about that um they gave us 2 million more and then we're like okay well that changes everything. And so that's why we're here today is kind of we're starting we are kind of
starting over. This is an opportunity for us to look at everything that we can put there and where we're going to put it. Um and and and revisit. Do we do it in a phase? Because this was the first phase.
Um do we do it in a phase or do we do it all at one time? And am I correct, Mr. Taylor? Uh mayor, I I think with the money that you had, I think the project is attainable in a single phase. Um, frequently when you separate projects
and the multiple parts, these individual parts increase and there's always going to be some issues about compatibility of new versus old. We talked about software issues the other day uh with someone else. I'm sorry it wasn't you. But yeah, I think there's enough money in the
program to do the fire station with the EMT facility. U particularly if it's on property that's already owned by the city. And one of them that uh the city manager had given to me is in city ownership already. So I was kind of just
going through the quote easy ones so we could take a look at some of the the latter two. This one is the Lion's project. Let me even pull this up just so the audience can kind of follow along. This this is a parcel on uh Lemon
Street and Summit Street and it again it's a little bit small. It's 73 acres. Um and it's not owned by the city. It's owned by John Lions. Uh, so I just I presented this and I said, "Well, the
location is decent, but right now you have an acre where the fire station is now." So, it's a little smaller than that. If I may, on that property, and I and I apologize, but I believe um that there would be
Yes, that's a grassy part down on the bottom. Correct. Included in that, too. if if that were to be an option, we would increase the acreage by the property to the south of that. Okay? And because he owns both of those and he would actually uh we would be taking
some of the top property that the north the northern property and then all of the bottom or most of the bottom and so it would it would uh change the numbers slightly. Well, assuming the parcel on the bottom half u Mr. Martin is is roughly equal to
the top, you'd have about an acre and a half. Okay. So, yeah. And and again, the street in the center of the see where it says Limon Avenue, that's Summit Street. Yeah. So, you know, it's nicely located within within the city relative to
Yeah. So, maybe that one's deserving of a second look. Okay. Um, the next one, this is producers hardware. Oops, I don't want that. I deleted that. The one I want.
Okay, this parcel is about 2.78 acres. And which the street on the right of the block is Summit Street. Okay. South Summit. Okay. Just let you know I cannot see a
thing on my screen. You have to call out the address. Let me do this. It's corner. It's the campaign. the address that will help me write. You don't have to come up and show me the thing, but if you'll just call out
the address. All right. Very good. Thank you. Oh, unfortunately, it's listed as a PO box. Producers hardware. I know. If you just do the cross streets, I get it. Yeah. Was Street would be on the right. Got it.
Yeah, it's at the edge. So, um again, this was not owned by the city. Uh it's zoned currently as general commercial. Um
and um the the property value is listed on on here. The total value was looks like 242,000 tax assessed value from my numbers. It's 2.78 acres. I'm sorry.
It's 2.78 acres. Um 2.78 acres, Mr. Lori. All right. So, it's a big big sign. If you can't read that, I have the property card. And Derek, I'd be happy to give these to you. I didn't run multiple copies, but
okay. And are there any questions about this parcel? If not, I'll go to the last one, which is um 500 Junction Road, which is right there on the corner of
Junction in Old 17. That's where our Yeah. our site That's our site right there. Commissioner Veto right there is okay. You know where that one's at. Okay. Yes. And the city that's our city, right? Yeah. So the the one of the nice things
it's five acres, which is adequate, I think, for our purposes. And according to the county records, it's already owned by the city. So that's kind of a win-win. What about our current are you going to Our current location?
I'm sorry. Current location. Our current location is would be up from that. Um this is um on Pine Street. And unfortunately, this is not a live slide. Might be able to get into the
property appraiser site. Get us there. You know, it says Pine Street is the cross street there. No. No. Where our current location, our current fire department location? It's on Eucalyptus, right? Eucalyptus. Yes. So, are you is that part of is that one
of the parcels also that we could consider? I I don't think so. I think this is separate from that. It it says No, I know that, but is that a parcel that we could consider as far as the multiple parcels? Is our current site a parcel that can also be
considered for for this the we we I'm not sure I understand the question. Can we rebuild on our current parcel? Yes, you can. It is a public facility zone. It's about one acre. Um of course one of the
downsides of that you'd have to demo it and provide alternate facilities until such time as a new structure was constructed. But that would have enough property there to do what we're trying to do. It it's the helipad is 150 by 150 which
is about a half acre. Can that be on top of the building? I'm just that was just a wish list item. We only brought that up. That was a chief because currently as it stands right now we have that agreement with a private owner, not our property.
It would just consolidate everything in one onetop shop. Correct. Yeah. Um but but it's not it's not a deal breakaker by any means. Um I think one thing to just to to caveat discuss on this is that each one of these and I'm I'm going to put my notes up now. Um each one of
these properties have pros and cons. The biggest thing about the properties are the utilities. What infrastructure do we currently have in the ground? And I think that's something to take in consideration. We don't have our civil engineering here uh engineer here today. Um but I talked to Mr. this morning and
he feels the same until we choose um what uh what property um you know that we're going to move forward with. We don't we're not going to know that number, but we can be rest assured you're going to have at least 150 to a quarter million uh worth of site work to
be done. However, on these properties that the city owns that are on some of these main roads and Keith would be able to talk better about what um facilities are are currently there, water, sewer, storm, um these properties will have less. So, our costs will not be as deeply incurred as if we went to go into
another area that needs uh more infrastructure. The one thing about our current property, it has that pro that it is right in town. It's visible and that's super important. Um, but there is still a significant amount of utility work and site work that needs to be done on that property that we really haven't
do dove into those numbers yet, but you're talking probably $200 or $300,000 or more um for that property. So, I just want to bring that to y'all's attention. Uh, moving forward when you're making a decision. Is that even with the new water go the water going through there? Are we
still looking at that type of site work? Yeah, it's we're still going to do that soon as it gets turned loose. I know. But what I'm saying though, is that going to um would that not decrease that amount that we were originally looking at that if we had to
bore do any of that across the street? Um, I think that's a timing issue. Yeah, it's a timing issue. It's really not going to cost anymore unless we really have to bore 17 to get started.
But, um, I know that talking to Jason Sheepler, a lot of stuff is getting ready. They're going to turn it all loose hopefully next week or week after next to go to bids. Okay. Um,
so but we have times it should be it should be completed by the time we're ready to to do what we have to do is what I would say. So and it also depends on the money too because that the CDBG there's there was only 650,000 in the budget.
Okay. And we're using 108 of it. um we're paid 108 right now, but we'll get reimbured from the CDBG for the stuff on 308.
Um the this facility here that he has up has a um 6-in water man in front of it. Also has a it's of course it's a forest main. We would have to do a lift station, but
and the property's already cleared. Um, like you said with the fire station that we have now, you would have to demo the whole building. We got to find a place to house the fire trucks, which the only place I think the county has
that they would let us at Satsuma. That's where And of course you're going to take it's probably Bob, would you say a year to build? About a year to build. Could be a little quicker. So our trucks would be out of town for a
year driving back and forth. And and one thing to add to that too, we have had interesting parties in the property. We have staff has not done any research on on that or move forward because we we want to bring that to you all for a decision. Ultimately, we have to have this discussion. But if it were
be um the request of the commission for us to investigate how much and get a realtor involved to find out what the comps are, we do have an interested party of that would like to purchase that building and has had um discussions directly with with other staff members, not myself. Um but I was I was brought
into the fold after the fact. So Okay. Mayor, can I just say one thing? This is all great information, but to me, I've not really seen a local government make a decision like this
based on a discussion and people chiming in. To me, what this calls for is um the properties that the staff think should be considered. And this is after I think that we need to decide what the scope of
the project is just generally. But for the properties that staff think should be considered, I think we ought to have before us, um, the costs, the pros, the cons, because we've talked about a number of costs here, but we just have,
you know, they're just rotating in our heads. You want to see a bottom line, and then you want to take into account the intangibles. I mean, as I understand it, we have um you know, some sites will
have different acreage. Some sites will have the frontage on 17. Some sites will require more preparation, others will not. Um those those costs differ greatly. Then there's the basic cost of construction, the possible cost of land.
I mean, to me it and then the intangibles. Um and then um the issue of the helipad do we do we need to put us you know put aside how do you plan a future for that but to me before we choose a site um I I think we need to
see the costs the factors the nuts and bolts and then we will have the basis to make a reasonable fin reasonable decision you know yes go ahead if I may this is today is not decision
day for properties. Today is to get the conversation started for you all to task staff myself to move forward in any direction. If you would like to get cost on the properties, if you would like me to work with Mr. Taylor to figure out those pros and cons, we can do that
because essentially we'll have another workshop where we can bring you those items, have them for the public so they can see those and then we can make a decision because I mean you are correct. We we need to give you all that. But that's what this meeting is to discuss on how we're going to formulate that moving in the future. Other workshops
set up. This today is not decision day. This is just really I think more than anything bringing everybody up to speed as to where we are today and how we want to go forward and and I think you know what is our task here? Well, our task is we're going to build a new fire station
um ultimately and then we're going to have to figure out you know how many bays we want in it. um you know and that's going to probably be some some conversation with the county as well um and and then the ambulance and then you know this first one that we had we had
to back off on the dormitories so we can add the dormitories but I mean ultimately that's that's the task at hand is we're we have an opportunity to build a state-of-the-art fire station for Crescent City and and doing so um
then we're going to have to determine and where do we want that state-of-the-art fire station to be and that's start your plan but who is going to tell us what the components of the stateofthe-art fire station are um
what compon I mean when you talk about components like what components do you want we know there's going to be dormatory beds there's going to be a kitchen there will be refrigerators there will be a TV there will be recliners so are we designing it right here like one Okay,
that's typically what you put in a fire station. So, you're asking for components and I'm saying what components are you define components so that he so that Mr. Taylor has that because he's ultimately he's the one doing it. Okay. So, the fire chief isn't where
does fire where does Mr. Taylor come in. I think we need to look at what is the desired when you say a state-of-the-art fire station. um what for a small town, for a medium-sized town, for a large town, it is um
just remember it's not just for Crescent City, it's for the surrounding area as well. It's for our responsibility and it's future and it's planned for the future. Correct. So where's where's the numbers? We
should have numbers and a proposal. I mean you can say that but I want somebody to show me um what we are talking about here. I think to start you know we're talking about well where would we like it and
and what would what would a piece of property what pieces of property that are out there that have enough acreage and this and that and the other. I think she's right in the sense that well we need to understand okay if you want instead of having a a joke really but
instead of have you know if you go to the Ace Harbor piece of property you know how much is that going to cost for us to purchase that piece of property on top of now building what it is that we're going to build. So, I mean, we're kind of at the bare bones
here, just kind of looking and and like looking through a display window saying, "Well, I want this dress or that dress, you know, and oh, this one's, you know, $5,000 and this one's 150." I mean, these are that's kind of what where we're at. Yes.
You know, and that's really the starting point. Yes. And then from there, you know, I would expect some kind of uh once we get that information because, you know, everybody wants the biggest piece of cake uh for the least amount of money, right?
Absolutely. Always. And so, uh so we need to know those. We need we do need to know those numbers. And the other thing too, okay, is once we learn that, then maybe we can start talking about all the components, I
guess, that everybody's talking about and how that's going to go together. And that would be you, of course, coming in with You're right, Commissioner. How it's going to come together. Yes. Yes. And that is typically our charge. Yeah. Okay. Um and we typically would meet
with the authority having jurisdiction which might be Putnham County Planning and Development which would should include Clue Wright the fire marshall. It would include J uh Joseph Riser because Jason is no longer with us
but and and maybe a commissioner or two that is very interested in this project. That way you'd always be in the loop and we would have periodic meetings as necessary to develop the program first. Okay. Remember the first phase is to get the program and then we determine whether or not sites are adequate based
on the program. We'll tap the expertise of Keith and the gas authority and others who have insight as to what's available at these projects and then we can identify as Mr. Veto had requested what do we have and how much is it going to cost to extend it. If we already have
water and sewer that saves a bunch of money a 6-in main sounds adequate. uh a force man is easy to handle just a lift station it'll be a commercial lift station but it will do the job and so those those are costs which we can identify and and put numbers into and
like we did in the very early uh phase when we were doing this um due diligence evaluation in 2022 there was a breakdown unfortunately I didn't bring that breakdown with me but we identified site development costs and that one had sight water retention and electrical and water
extensions and other things part of the site development and building cost and mechanical plumbing, electric, all those costs were tallied on a spreadsheet and then at the bottom it said X number of dollars. So we could do that same type of thing again. Uh and with reference to the
deadline that we have on the grant, the early deadline is um I think it was 2029 before we had to spend that $1 million. It was Yeah, that may be the whole thing. We'll get it all done by 2029. Yeah, that it seems quite doable to me.
I said, gee, if they got to do it by the end of this year, we're in deep trouble. And I'd like to see it done by 2028. Yeah, that's right. Rush. If I could just say one more thing. Sure. So, okay. So, I'm looking at the project phase.
And what I'm really talking about is at the very beginning of the project phase, it says client questionnaire for the client and then for architect, it says program. And I guess my concern is is that we're and I think Commissioner Burke touched on this a little bit.
We're off talking about properties, but to me some very basic information I don't know um would be what size facility are we building? Okay, things like how many rooms, what's supposed to
be in it, how much square footage do we need for this facility, how much parking do we need? Um summary of the buy of a parcel that we have for space.
So we're saying okay because to me that's the opposite order. We're saying we're going to buy the property first and then we're going to figure out how big a place we want. I wouldn't No, I think you kind of know what we want. Well, wait. How do we know what we want?
Trust me, we know we want three bays. We know that we want those have to be decided. So here, right here, right here. Commissioner Burton said we know we want three bays. The mayor said we want more.
To me, we need to find a place and a time to have some discussion with the correct professional or more than one professional to tell us what should be the scope of this project. in terms of how many rooms, how many bays, how much
parking. I'm not a fire chief. I can't possibly tell you that. I've not spoken with the fire chief about this. Um, but to me, it seems a little backwards to say we're going to buy the property first and then we're going to figure out what size Well, then I'll tell you what we can do.
What we can do, I mean, the whole reason I think that we're even having this meeting is just to kind of bring everybody up to speed. this is where we are and as we go we can go ahead and end the in the workshop now and we can reschedu it if that's what y'all if that's what you feel you want to do and you don't want to know all this
information I personally want to know this information I want to know what sites we're looking at I want to know what's the compatibility with what we could do on those sites you know to me that's important I mean some of them that it might not be that we could build
as much as we want but it would still be compatible um you know that's personally that's what I would I would like to I would like to know. Um and as far as putting it together and the components that's something that Mr. Taylor and
with the fire with the fire chief and with the city manager and with Keith and with Jason that's something that's their technical that's their technical expert expertise. If they say that, you know, if the fire
chief says we need five bays as we go forward to prepare for in the future, then okay, then we get five bays. That's not um today is just really kind of to bring everybody up to speed because we hear that one person has information, one
person doesn't. Well, here everybody's going to have all the information. And but if y'all don't want all that information today, then by all means, I am happy to um that we can that we can cancel the workshop and and do it for another day, um that's entirely up to
all of you. I would also like to add something there. We met with the county and we went and looked at one of their brand new fire station facilities that is being built right now. The price tag for that, not including the site work, was around 1.6 million, I believe. I could
be above 1.7. Um, our original design, we had only a million dollars. The the reason the going back to when um I had started this uh conversation with y'all just now today, the reason we're here is to discuss we have a new pot of money and
we have to decide how we're going to go spend it. One of the things that I haven't asked of you, Mr. Taylor, and I apologize because I need to answer to to the commission is what the cost is going to be on your end. Your original contract I believe was $109,000 um give or take. I do not have the cost
in front of me on exactly what we've expended, but I know that there will be an additional cost to redesign and I believe that it's the city's hope to try to save as much money as possible in that effort. Um we have contacted the county as well and they will provide a
plan 30,000 foot view for you to utilize and per the appropriations you we can't just take their plans. we have to have you design it. That's the rules of the game for us to get the money and to re get reimbursement to pay you. Um I would like in the interim of this meeting
after this point to look at um you know what your costs are going to be and I would like that proposal as soon as possible. And one thing that I would like to just remind everybody I don't want to be you know my thought for for Crescent City uh
is that it's going to grow. you know, Crescent City will grow and the area around Cresman City will grow. And I would hate to just put it on a a a stamp that just allows enough room for what we're thinking about building right now.
Three bays and two bays or whatever for I don't know what it's going to be, but I I think if you can even if that's what you start with, you want enough room where you can add because that's the problem we have right now. we don't have
enough room to put on what we need right for this moment. So, so it's always nice to to have that in your back pocket. I have a question as well. When Commissioner Burton said have room to
add what you need, um this is future plan, right? But so it occurs to me um it would be helpful to know how this fits in with the county's long range plans if they have any. Um and as well um
typically as you get larger you don't you develop satellite um stations. you don't necessarily have all of your bays or all of your trucks in one spot is my um that's a question
that I have and I don't know how that would all fit together for us but typically um I know um you see in other towns that you go to more than one fire um facility
because they they don't just necessarily have one giant one in the middle of town. They can have separate ones, but that that's part of future planning. So, but no, and um from my perspective, Mr.
Taylor is here, so I would like to know what he has to say for sure, but I want to have a reasonable plan. Well, we will. And I will say this too is that the other the other part of this is my understanding um Derek Christina
Keith correct me if I'm wrong but before we submit our plans everything our proposal to the state um one of the key components is you have to have the um property title. Yes correct free and clear.
Yeah. Yes ma'am. you have to have the property titled. And so and so that's, you know, that's why we have to have this discussion early, especially if we're going to do that because another key to that is currently
um and again, please correct me, but when asked um in part of this 3 million, could that be the purchase of a piece of property? Uh it was not included. However, if we feel we need to and our
justification to do so would be the fact that it would close down our entire our entire fire station for a period of time leaving us with one some miles away that because it can't accommodate that we
could put a request in. Is that correct? That we could put a request in. Yes, ma'am. um for to use a portion of the money for the purchase for the purchase of a a parcel. So all of this stuff kind of comes together. It's part
of the big picture, but it's things that you know that that we have to and I also know that Chief Razer and Chief Highel both um we're talking about the elementary school. Yes. over off off of Cherry and both of
them felt that you know I mean they're not here today. Um, I'd like to hear from them their their thoughts because and even Chief Heidi if he wants to because he he ran it for so long he understands it that doing it off of
junction they had some concerns because of the width of the road um and being able to get in and out of where they need to get in and out of. Um, and that was that was just a a concern that that
that they both that they both shared. Um, and so that's something that we'd have to hear from them. Now, Chief Razer, what did he say the other day that did he say something about when he looked at the school the the helellipad
there were two trees there which caused concern? I'm trying to look it up now. He had a concern at overall as a complex. He liked it, but there were some concerns, infrastructure concerns that would hinder the operation of the fire department. Um, that would have to be addressed and they could be, but I
believe it was some trees specifically for the for the hel. Correct. Correct. But also, isn't that I mean, I get concerned about putting the helipad in a residential neighborhood. Um, that's a residential neighborhood. It's great to have a school there, but it's a
residential neighborhood and those things um those things are very noisy. I've lived near HellPad before. I've been at Tampa General Hospital visiting people when the helicopter comes. It does. It's noisy. I mean, and that's something that if we
end up picking a site somewhere in town, we always have that one out there on junction, they can put a helipad on. Well, I'm just saying that's that's hard. And I found in the email, you are correct. It was two large trees that that we would have to consider if that
would be the issue. Then of course it was a residential neighborhood and I know how noisy it is on the shirts. Um we just had that discussion. Um, I think last May we had to talk about the police presence and what there there's a lot to
discuss and my hope is is that it will all be written down um so we can see it. Okay, Mr. Taylor, if you if you want to continue, Keith, you're standing there like you are just ready to say something. Why Why don't you It's okay. I'm just
No, go ahead. Um, I just want to bring it to your attention too that you know Joe wants to build a nice station. He wants at least five or six bays, but right now we got trucks, boats sitting outside. The
boat's going to hang. Um, and he also wants I don't what do we say 75 foot wide building. Ke uh Keith I I can't remember general
discussions with Joseph. U but rest assured we're adept at taking written or photographs or partial photographs or look at that one and I like this. We put it all together all the time. Well, also Joe's want to be able to have
drive-thru bays, right? And as of right now, if we were to build a new building over there, depending on how we lay it out, I don't know if we're going to have to drive through base. And that's that's one of the things that he wants. And I think the building was going to be
big enough that as we got bigger, you could actually park fire trucks behind each other. And it's good for firet trucks to be able to drive through. It's hard to back up those big things. And that's why they have those king-size ballards next to the building. Yeah. So, but that's, you know, that's
what he was, me and him had been talking about was five to six bays. And then, of course, the, you know, like the lady said in our meeting about the appropriations, she said to make sure we spec that building with everything. Mhm.
So, we got to watch how much money we spend because we could actually go in there and everything will be brand new. So, I mean, like you we put uh a lot better air compressor for them, a scroll
that's don't have no moisture in it, new ice machines, whatever they want. And if we were to buy a piece of property, well, that's going to take away from that, right? I know she did say make sure we spec it out. Yeah.
With everything. With everything. Did they mention any new fire trucks? No, because I don't think it can't be part of this. Yeah, it can't be part of this appropriations. I as
fire truck may maybe on the next one. So, if I could be so helpful. I mean, uh, Keith has just reported to us what the fire chief
wants and which is great, but even better would be if the fire chief would write it down and present that and just share it to the commission, then we would have it. That's the kind of thing I think that I think is very important
for us to have sooner rather than later. I mean, that that's just a a good process. So everyone has the same information. Um and then we can look at the pros and cons and as well we need to look at the cost on this because that
will that will go into it. We can certainly assist in that. Um you know I'd be happy to meet with the the new chief and like I say one of the commissioners or the city manager wants to be involved. That's great. You'll have a liaison back to the full group.
Um, we typically talk to the AHJ on fire stations because we want to take the latest standards and responsibility. It's it's not unique to have one fire marshall say, "I don't really worry about that." And another one say, "Oh, I got to have that." So, um, Matt Morando,
my mechanical plumbing, electrical engineer, I think he did five fire stations for the villages last year. So, he's adept at what's happening on the current scene and has the latest trends in equipment. So we could take advantage of our insight collectively to come up
with the best overall solution. Derek, if uh whomever has that drawing, just take a picture of it. I don't need to do anything except count the spaces. We can go from there. Okay. And and and also I'm sure we can line it up or we can go and do a site visit and go look at the building.
Absolutely. I know someone in your profession would love to do that. Absolutely. I'd be happy to ride with you. All right. Very good. And and the other part, uh, Commissioner Devito, is the due diligence. I think I think you're right to ask these questions. You want to have as many
answers as you can have on your hip pocket to tell the citizens that this is how we did our homework. We did a detailed program. We talked to the authority having jurisdiction. We investigated several different sites. We took advantage of the civil engineer,
the planning, um, Mark's insight. uh we took advantage of my consultants and our experience and insight and we created this program. We made created a schematic design. We worked with your public works uh director and others who are influential and knowledgeable about
what's happening and you know it'll take a little time to assemble the due diligence but I think that the time period is ample. So there's no immediate rush or concern that we we can't take our time and do a good job. We should do that. We should
do that. And again, today is just like just start the start for us to start talking about this, letting everybody know where we are and what what we have an opportunity the opportunity we have here. Yes.
And I have a question mayor. Um, so if if we do, which we are going to be looking at these properties, I had a question regard to your design and getting all the players and stakeholders involved. What is your timetable for a turnaround for a new deliverable? Uh if we if we if we started tomorrow, let's
just say. Well, I have to tell you, I plan to be out of town for couple weeks starting on the 16th. I'll be back on the 27th. Yes, sir. Um but typically it takes six to eight weeks to go through a due diligence or a schematic design process. So, I think,
you know, maybe a couple more weeks. Maybe we're looking at 8 to 10 weeks. Uh, now we're running into the holidays, so sometimes that creates scheduling issues. We'll be diligent. We understand that everything has a deadline. And I think Commissioner Devito said one time,
time is of the essence. You know, I know that my time is valuable. I know your time is valuable. My goal is to make it mutually as valuable as it can be so you can make good decisions and we'll all be happy with the effort that we created. I haven't been in business over 50 years
just because, you know, I'm not diligent. I'm not care. I am diligent. I am careful. I am concerned about the quality of the projects we produce and the comfort level of my clients. I want them to have that comfort level. We've done the best we could with the dollars that we had.
Thank you. And be happy that you got until 2029. I'm sorry. actually done 2030 but 2029 for that first. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have plenty of time. That's awesome. No pressure.
No pressure. Just to me what jumps out at me is we have to execute the grant agreement. It says right here key deadlines 18 months from the grand award which is January 30th, 2027. Yeah.
So that's a year from this January. And to do that as you said before um the top thing you have to have is that ownership documentation. So we do um we certainly have to settle on
the site and make sure we have ownership of that site and all these other things. That's why by January 30th that's why we're trying to get started on it now. Well, uh, Commissioner Devito, see that first is research, then preliminary site plan.
Right. Basically, those two first bullet points, if you will, are what we're going to strive for in this 8 to 10 weeks. Right. But what concerns me is the commission is we have no agreement on the elements of what how big exactly we
want this to be. Yeah. So, in somewhere, yeah, we have to agree as a commission. We'll help you define that. We will indeed. We'll take advantage of all the expertise that we can get the best answers. So perhaps the next step is to give us a
list of parcels and then the pros and cons um for our next time we meet. Did you said that you had some pros and cons already written out, right? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You have those pros and cons. You want to talk a little bit about it's really just some time.
Yeah, it's just location pros and cons. We've discussed a couple of them. utilities, not utilities, construction for the site work, the, you know, the accessibility of them. Um, having a building where you can have more bays versus, you know, the draw through drive-through bays versus single door
bas. So, it really depends when we hone in on which specific properties. And if it's these and you all are good with us continuing to dig down into these, I'll have everything from cost, you know, associated cost with that, real estate cost for purchase, and then list out the
pros and cons for each one. Okay. May I have a question? So, and I I think that sounds great, but you said we we were here to hear from Mr. Taylor. Does he have more to share with us? I'm not I
have Yes. Yes. Mr. Taylor, do you have more to share with us? Do I have more to do you have anything else that you would like to share with us? Any concerns that you because now we want to hear everything. Okay. Let me see. What else did I
You have the summer to work. Um this was just meeting minutes of our last meeting and you can have those Mr. Martin if you wish. Um but You know, I I think we need to do the due diligence. Yes,
we need to tap the expertise that's in the room. And if you have other sites, we need to be involved and we we want to look at them all together. Um, efficiency and time is travel. I used to have my office in downtown and it took me five minutes to get anywhere in
black. It was easy. Now I live out of town. It's now 30 minutes. It's 15 out, 15 back. So down here it's 45 minutes. It's hour and a half. So when we come down here, we want to accomplish everything we can only an hour and a half in the auto.
We understand we have to go to Palac. I was there today and I didn't accomplish something I was supposed to do and I got very far. I think Go ahead. I'm sorry. I think going back to the pros and cons of Grass Mor. Um, one of the things is the the visibility. It's
been brought up a couple of times and I think it's it's really important. Um, and there may be some offsets to that, but having a visible fire station to the public is important. As a city, it's just like our city hall. That's important aspect of it. That would be a pro. Um, the response time. I've talked
to um Chief Razer about that. He feels that any of these um options would would be kind of a flat, not a negative or a pro. Um, of course, being where they're at right now has some he believes some um safety issues, but that hasn't been, you know, arose over time. and thank God
we haven't had any issues with it um with the apparatus coming in and out off the highway. Um but those those types of things we'll be looking at and I'll give you all a full list of those as we move forward. I mean I think that's one of my concerns
thinking about site or the producers harbor site right there coming up the hill and across the city. You know people do not slow down if you have a fire truck pulling out there even if we have Lincoln lights we have anything. I mean it just seems like that's dangerous. Uh that's the first thing that comes to mind.
Those are things that will be discussed. I talked to chief about that too because that was one of my concerns also when he was talking about that that he really liked that spot and I said that hill is so dangerous. And then he said well then
you put those those caution lights you know for and I said but I don't know that those caution lights we have to find out that that's not included in our appropriation. So then we've got the added cost. Well, I was just going to say and that's why I really want to see
everything in pros and cons, chief razor's concerns all laid out because as mayor she just said like caution lights on cost. So, you know, if you do one thing and it requires something else to be at home for safety,
we have to we have to figure that in. We don't want to get caught short. And I I think that's a great point. um going out of town, people start speeding and I mean they start not speeding but well some do accelerating for the highway speed
and coming up the hill and that's going to be coming out on junction regardless if you're moving out on junction. You know that's that's going to be that's going to be something that we have to take into consideration. The other question I think it was to all of us is if there's any sites that that
you know of that hasn't haven't been discussed. I mean I I I talked about I asked Keith about I know um there's the one down by the doctor's office but that's not conducive either because it's on that that back side but there's
vacant land down there as well. Which one's the one down right here? like next to the green dragon. By the green dragon like around Grove and Sun. Yeah, it's right there next to the Green Dragon in the doctor's office.
We had to bring D in on it and that's just there's no telling what that would take, what that would take. So that's, you know, um, and mayor, one more question I have is because it seems like, um, Chief
Razer has been talking for quite a while, at least in a written city manager report about Hellpad. Um, I don't really know much about helads. I'd like to know in addition to the size, which I think Mr. Taylor mentioned, um,
what is the cost of a helad? Is it is it ground level? Is it raised? I I don't know those things. I don't know anything about the one that we have. And then I was hoping um this kind of a side issue. Um I was hoping that we would get some
more clarity um because he keeps mentioning it every month in his portion of the city manager report. We'd get some clarity on what is the problem that we're going to have with the construction at St. child recovery place because Chief Fraser seems to think
there's going to be a period of time we won't be able to use that helad and go ahead. Yes ma'am if I can respond. So um we've had discussions and Christina's had discussions with the owners at that property. Um we've had a green light from them that there won't be any
issues. I think I think the chief's concern is that um nothing is ever set in stone and they are going to be doing some construction and uh and he wants some autonomy from that and if we have an availability on the property that we can put a a hill pad that we could do
it. The cost is going to include some electrical for proper lighting. Um it's going to include cost for concrete work. Um that concrete work is going to have rebar and other mechanisms for for stability. Um, but the size is not very large. The helicopter is not huge and
and I should tell you exactly what the size is, but it's not going to be the 150 foot by 150 feet. That is actually just the clearance space needed in the air. Um, this pad would be on the ground, level with the ground, not elevated above the ground. Um, and it
would have a probably it could be out of concrete or asphalt. Um, I've seen them done out of both. You'll have striking included with that as well. And then you will um you'll also have um probably a um either a drive or an area where they can take a gurnie or other type of
mechanism to take people in and out and and that would be the cost associated and it may be and you know it may be also part of a closed off area of a parking lot if we were to have a larger piece of property and you know that would just be sectioned off and part of the construction site also. But we just
again not knowing where we are and what you know which property I can't I can't give you an actual state space. It's correct. Okay. But we're not talking about a structure. We're talking about a literally a concrete a concrete just like a car.
Yeah. Just like a car. It's probably be six to eight inches with with rebar fire fiber mesh or even metal, you know, nashing and that's it. That one over in St. Augustine at the hospital over there. I mean, it's just a small little area and it comes right in right in there. Boom. And sets down.
Yeah. The one at the hospital in Jack South Jack Beach is really small. I mean, it's smaller than the size of this area right here. And the helicopter lands right there. And it might end up being that we're talking about a helipad that if we were to get an urgent care center here, it might be that that's something that
could be part of the negotiation for them. They would might would want that because it would be right there, you know. So that's something else that I mean we're just we're lucky that St. Jose I mean how often do we actually need it? It's only when there's a serious accident and they since I've been here
since I've been here it's been needed twice since I've been here in four months they've used it either two or three times more. Well I can tell you this when someone has a stroke more and more they are calling the helicopter and they are taking them. I know two good friends of
mine, their transport when they had a stroke was by helicopter because they uh and it's increasing survival, right? Um they take people not by ambulance, but they take them um directly by helicopter to the closest
and there's a couple people yall know here that probably wouldn't be here for the lesson after that. So, Mr. Mr. Taylor, is there anything is there anything else that you want to provide or what are your thoughts? I I I think we're ready to proceed. Okay.
Um I have to inform you there will be some cost involved with this and one of those costs has to do with the number of sites and the extent of the investigation. Okay. You know, um John Grady has said he can do a lot of his investigation online. Uh
and and I think a lot of I think uh Derek, you saw one of his emails where he said, "Hey, this is off the top. I hadn't had a lot of time." Yes, sir. But you know, the extent of the investigation, cost, evaluations, things like that will cost us more time and
more money to produce. So, uh the commission needs to kind of set some parameters. You can either do them now or or you know, a little later. doesn't matter to me, but I kind of need to know what you want us to do. I think the program is essential. I I think we need
to look at the site designs that we have and I've done several fire stations. I can Yes. for other areas. Yeah. So, and and any of that we can help you with, we can do. So, uh you know, I don't want to go on a non mayor. No, that's okay. The only other thing I
I do that we have to be um cognizant of commission is that while this is um this money is not it's it's um reimburseable. It's reimburseable. So we can do it in small sections and it's pretty quick
turnaround but it is reimburseable. It's not um initial outlay. Right. So that was kind of well my next question was um our city manager had asked what are the costs for this phase
and my question was where will we get the funds to pay those costs? Well, we've already paid um a good portion of this front this front and she said that we can that goes into that goes into combined
the combined the combined so we can those are reimbursible um but may so as we go forward everything's going to start costing right so but what I'm saying is like we don't we don't have to execute the actual agreement with the department of
financial services until January 27th But we'll be spending money up until way before then. So we are When do we start? I guess my question is because you had more contact with them than I have. Do we not get reimbured until the contract
is signed? Was that your understanding is that we don't get reimbursed until they sign the contract? Correct. I believe so. And to answer the question of where the funds have come out of, they've come out of city hall under professional services. That's where they were taken out of last year. And I
believe that that's where I believe some of it too came out of Christina did some of it come out of ARPA also the initial the initial some of that came out of ARPA money as well. I thought they did and then so this goes back to my original thought that as a
commission it might help if we got with the chief and our staff and came up with some basic parameters before Mr. Taylor went and looked at properties because that might um inform
his search a little bit better. I to me it just seems to be a timesaver if we have some kind of agreement amongst ourselves and our staff about what size of project we want here. But um but you
know Mr. Taylor seems to have in mind what he wants to do. Okay. Did you have something that you wanted to add? It seems to me the fire chief and the fire marshall and perhaps someone from the county would be best to help address
those issues for programming. Certainly, uh, Mr. Martin and Mr. Harris on your staff can help us with site elements, site design, things like that, and help analyzing the existing sites. It's always a team. Yes. and and we we strive to give you the information so you can say I like
this, I don't like this, change this, fix that. I'm happy with that. So, you know, it's progressive and it's show and tell. I always want you to see where we are. So, you can say you're going in the right direction or you didn't hear me right. And that's and that's what we depend on you for. That's why I said if there's
anything that you know, if you looking at those sites initially, if there's anything that you see that's, you know, a red flag Yes. that um yeah that we need to that we need to know. I mean the mayor still concerns me and all concerns we have we
have no idea at this point what size facility we're building or what future we're building it for. We're just we're just building a state-of-the-art fire station but we don't know what size what different sizes we will know as we move forward. Um, and there are certain
regulatory state bodies that will kind of dictate to chief. Chief Razer is the subject matter expert. Um, he apologizes he couldn't be here today, but he will be at the next workshop. Um, the other thing is too on Thursday this week, we do have the county coming in J.R. Grimes
to discuss with us some of the county's future ideas and planning as you had asked about. So, um, those discussions will take place on Thursday. Does that include Mark Caret? Mark Caret will be at the next, but we do have Rebecca Connell here to answer any of
those questions regarding um PNC. Okay. And most of these sites, I think all of them will have to be reszoned to public facilities like the last the one site I think it was 500 junction is already zoned public facilities and
it's just owned by the city, right? Yeah. So that does add a little bit of time, but obviously that can happen concurrently with usually that works in sequence. And then I like the idea of the, you know, it's
kind it's not linear like that at all. It's a spiderweb. You stopped over here, you're going over here. You stopped over here, you're going over there. So you're always moving forward. I would like I would like permission or at least a direction from the commission on how deep level you want the investigation on each property. how many
tiers of information you want as far as if it's going to be cost or location because I don't I and the don't take this wrong sir I don't feel that um that we have to have a a a deep report from um from our architect here on that I
believe that staff can get a lot of that information and save cost there for what we need to make a decision on and then once we make that decision based on that on those parameters and we can discuss what that is either here or outside of here, you know, as we move forward, uh, you know, individually when I discuss
things with you all, but then we can bring him in on the one that we have after the next workshop on the on the property that we decide, yes, this is the one. This is the one that meets all of the criteria that we set forth. Now, go ahead and get a full report on
everything. And then we have an idea of what all those other costs are going to be. The size of the footprint of the building is going to be dependent on the size of the property. And that's something that keeps that that um that keeps coming up that is on the size of the property and the needs and then of course the state regulatory bodies on
what the apparatus is and how we need to respond based on how many people we have chief will be able to talk to that as well. Yeah. So perhaps you staff can put together like five you know all of these thoughts that we've talked about maybe anything else that comes up. Um I don't know if
we want to include billing in there as an option. I think we mentioned it and then maybe we can get it out to two and pass that on to the to Mr. Taylor and then he can give us the room that you know if that's what the commission would like and I think some options
and getting the price too because price is going to be an eliminator right there. That's our first elimination. I think one of those sites might be eliminated immediately just based on price. Um, and so that's something else that, you know, that we're going to have to make a decision on and and we got to
know that. So if we have to go to them and appeal that can we use, can we can we purchase and you know, but we have to we have to know that too. The ones off the top of my head are cost, accessibility,
um, uh, existing utilities and location. Those are the four off the top of my head. If you all want us to dig into anything more, we can. And I would like to rush on that, but we can definitely do that, Commissioner Lori, Mayor, we can definitely move forward. I mean, I I think too and and
commissioners that, you know, if you take if we take one that's on the tax rolls now, I think it's very it's vital that that we make sure that we're able to put this one back on the tax. Correct. Um if we have to that if that's a direction we have that we that we end up
going. My my thing is is that we're building a um have an opportunity to build beautiful fire station and I I want it to be invisible. I want it to be that's that's that's just mine. But that's mine. That's not everybody's. I'm
only one person. So everybody else might be quite honestly okay with putting it over on the side of it. I know originally when I was looking at um the plans to end end um I believe the appropriation request it was originally um you know fire police it sounded like
it was more governmental and I think that we should have since we have this new money have the conversations with the architect with chief with all the stakeholders to see if we can utilize a piece of it for an emergency operations center more so than just the fire um
because it's going to be a state-of-the-art as you said um building. Um, super solid, uh, state-of-the-art communications. Um, as Keith alluded to, we're going to ask for everything that we could get in that building, and it's going to be where our operations center in my imagination
would be for us to be able to communicate with the public, especially in a time of need like a storm, a hurricane, or other other disaster. So, thank God we don't have that, but that's what this building is for. And we have an opportunity, too, to put the sheriff's office, correct? 100%.
Yes. I know I was just going to say I mean up to now this has been the safest building but this this new fire station would most likely definitely be the safest building from a communication standpoint 100%. And I I can tell you from standing at the back of the last fire station or the
last city hall in 2004 in Washington off the fire station and roll down the hill and roll down the street in front of us that you know we want to be safe because I mean that's why that's why they come here. That's why they come here. Yeah. be nice to have B that is in and that they're in the same building that
we're in the same building we need to do there. So, I mean that's a good thought. Hopefully, we can get that out of it. So, mayor, I one more question for the city manager. He laid out some things that he wanted to evaluate, factors that
he wanted to evaluate said cost, access, utilities, location. I would add to that part of location should be safety. I think we all discussed or several of us brought up safety as an issue. So, could we include safety as being a part of
location? Does that sound right for everybody? And then my other question was um when the city manager said utilities um we does that include all site preparation
costs because some of our discussion was about site preparation costs and whatever that would require egress drainage additional stop lights. Yes ma'am. So e each property will have
a site cost associated with parking lot drainage all of those aspects. That's what our design had recently just now. The the caveat or the the addage to that is that there are some other properties that have more utilities than others. And so the connection cost or the fees
for um putting in that infrastructure is not needed. And that's where you would have a pro um for certain areas versus others. if we need to bring in a water line or if we need to bring in other I'm just saying were you anticipating in those elements that you were going to
include in your analysis was did they include site preparation costs? Repeat your question. I'm sorry. Ma'am, you just said you intended you were going to look at the different properties and come up with an analysis based on cost, access, utilities,
location. So I said hopefully that would include safety and then does that list because you said is there anything else does that include analysis for site preparation costs? I can include that in there and I did intend on looking at the
existing utilities for each location. Um each location based on the size of location will have a cost per square foot that is um indicative to a total project cost. whether or not you have um uh existing utilities. Um that's the question that we have to look at in
those specific areas. I'll work with Keith to find that out. So there will be a cost savings there, but you're going to have the cost regardless and that will be part of what we look at. Remember on the Summit Street property, North Summit Street for the current fire station, one of our big hurdles was
adequate water supply and anywhere from 50 to $100,000 was the price tag, which we never went there. But that's exactly what Mr. We did away with the storm water because we had but that was a cost initially. That was
absolutely a cost initially. So, okay. With that, Commissioner Burton, you have something to say. Then I want to open it up for public comment. We don't have anything. Oh, I thought you did. You pulled Well, I I do, but but not at the moment. Thank you. Okay.
Okay. Well, with that, um are we are we good? Yes, ma'am. I believe so. I would like for the commission to set another workshop at another time. If I can work with Mr. Taylor, I'll make sure that all the other parties are involved after this exercise. I think staff will need at least a week or two to get everything
together. Um, so maybe sometime in November if we could set up a a workshop for a second meeting on this. Um, I'll make sure that and and this is what I want to say. You got a lot to put together, okay? Coffee is cheap. So make
sure when we go go come to our next workshop that it is all put together and we can discuss it and come up with some idea of where we want to go instead of coming in here and you know doing this kind of stuff.
So seriously I'm going to do it in November just make sure that all this stuff you want to put together because you got a long list is together and ready for us to look at. Yes, ma'am. Now, I'm gonna I'm gonna some of this stuff he's not going to have. Some of
this he will not have. Um because that's as that's part of the that's part of him. That's part of, you know, the engineer. And so all of that I and and today, you know, um obviously we shouldn't have had
a workshop today. I you know, I thought everybody wanted to to kind of get an idea where we were um on this. And so that's why we're here. Um, and if we have to have this in phases. Um, Derek, if you would just please make sure that
that you've shared that with the commission that this is what phase that you're in that you need some that you need some um either some approvals or you need to do some presentations. So just from a a time efficiency standpoint, did that work for everybody? Commissioner Burton, does that work for
you? Well, phases is great. Okay. But um you know I don't know how long it would take for you to do all this stuff and that's why I'm putting you on the spot. Oh that's okay. Okay. It's like oh we can do this by November.
We can have another uh workshop. I'm pretty ambitious. I'll do my best. But we have but I'm just saying you know and I'm not I'm not trying to be hard but I just don't want to come in here. If you have to do it in phases fine I can understand that. Okay. Okay. That's all.
You go ahead. Sure. Sure. I didn't mean to say we should not have had a workshop today. Um I think this is a big project. We have to get a ball rolling sometime. Um we just didn't I mean it was apparent to me it was good discussion and I
learned a lot which is we all have different idea or we had differing ideas about what the facility is going to be but we were able to talk about that. Um and Mr. Taylor was able to share with us. So, um, I did not mean to imply that
we should not have a workshop. Can I talk somewhere? Yes, Commissioner Moore, please do. Well, I want to say I thank you for the workshop because I was not here September 20 24th. So, it's given me a lot of knowledge. So, I've learned a lot. So, I know where
to go from. From here, I know where we should be going. And I think that was the whole purpose of this. So, everybody, you now have this. You all have this. you see what our timeline is. We all know um where we have to go and um
and know that we don't have to be there tomorrow. Yeah, it was time. Yeah. It was to our benefit they had not come in and met with us because by not doing that it it gave us more time and making mind. I'm going to
open it up if it's okay commissioner about public comment. Do you have any public comment? Y'all have anything to say? Any ideas on what you would like to see in the fire? This is your chance.
You don't have that much time today. Okay, then I'm going to close public comment and so thank you all. Thank you all very much. Mr. Taylor, thank you for your patience and your continued cooperation with the city and getting this good glad to done. This is this is
exciting for our city. This very helpful. Yeah, this is very exciting for our city. Um, and very proud to be able to have a brand new fire station. I mean, wonder how long that one stood
for and it was not even planned to be fire station. So, um, with that, I think we want to close it out. Were we going to make a date or were we waiting? Um, I can I think Derek has to. Yeah, I
can come back with some deliverables in our next meeting. We can discuss at the city at the next commission meeting and um see I'll let you all know where I'm at with it. Is that okay? Yeah. Okay, perfect. We got anything else for this workshop
that they No. Well, we that's not on the agenda. Um I think when we discussed this workshop I asked could we um talk about where where we were with the Windixity issue. Commissioner Burton didn't want to be
part of that time. I don't know what time you haven't closed it out yet. I I would like permission from the commission to get all of the real estate information on the existing property with the
property uh with a real estate agent. They're going to know they can give us all the information. I believe Christina has somebody here in town. We briefly have talked about that. That could possibly help us out. Oh, yeah. We have right we discussed a lot
just so I can give you Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I got a lot of conversations going. We're not done yet. We're not We're not done. So I can give you all all the information because part of uh of we talked about the the you know taxes and all that and I need to know what those differences are so I
can build the full picture if we were to get rid of that property. Here's what we can get for it. Here's how much we're adding on taxes for the year and then you know so I just I just want permission to do that if that's okay. It's part of the story. I just need No, you can't vote. I just need general
if that's okay. Okay. All right. So, but does that involve a cost? Is that what No, no, it does not. I mean, to me, if the city manager thinks he needs to do research, then go right ahead. Thank you. Just, you
know, unless there's a cost, that would be the issue. So, with that, I think with the with the Wind Dixie with the Wind Dixie discussion, um I thank you. you um Commissioner Lori, he
um and Rachel, they put together in a what's it what's it what it hyperlink or something? It was huge. Um the survey we got a thousand signatures on that and I
have since sent that to the contact at Wind Dixie and asked him to please share that with those um with those that are in the executive level that are part of the negotiation team and the comments in
that and you were right the comments are very compelling. Um and I I I brought that to his attention also that those comments are compelling and to please make sure that those are considered as well. In the meantime, the
um Monteello city manager called me Friday evening. I'd spoken to the mayor and he called me Friday evening and actually he said they had been following hourly so they kind of were watching what we were doing. Unfortunately, it
was not to their benefit at this time. I know that um there I think they just closed theirs down. I shared that survey with him as well, the the petition. Um, I looked as
of last week, the latest update is we still don't have um, and I'll pull my phone out for everybody because I'm only pulling my phone out because I have a picture of it, but it's my um, my um, understanding that from currently
it's still if I can find it. No, that's that's my Amazon. Hold on. Um where is it? Um that currently they are
it's still showing. Give me a second. Um I know I took a picture. Oh, here it is. Here it is. So um Palacta is still unconfirmed. Um and Crescent City is still
unconfirmed. unconfirmed as to the future. Okay. But we are our store is now owned by the all all of them are owned by all. That's what I'm saying. They're owned by they've been owned by all these.
Yes. So my question is um first um thank you for sharing the petition with the Windixie contact but um could we all have copies? Oh, and that's what I was going to ask you is that I was going to provide I provided the copy to the clerk
and so of what I sent out and I was going to ask her if everybody was in agreement for them to send it to you. Did you get a copy of that? Maybe in the email. Did you get a copy of the email? Maybe. Yeah. Yes, ma'am. Okay. So, that's something that if we
can if we I didn't want to forward it out to the commissioners. Um, but if if you can if you can just send that out to the commissioners, that would be that would be awesome. Aldi has owned these all along. They bought they bought them all. Okay. What's happened is when Dixie
um decided um when the other conglomerate then that went away and they were the Federal Trade Commission wouldn't allow this other one to purchase. They combined with Southeastern Grocerers and they decided they wanted 170 of the Wind Dixie
stores. So that's what they want. And so they've been in negotiations with Aldi for that. The Brandy Wine store is not even listed on this. So it looks as if the Brandy Wine store is probably staying under Southeastern Grocerers. So really kind of what we've been doing
is telling Southeastern Grocerers because Aldi is and Monttoello said the same thing. They said they never would they never heard anything from Aldi, right? Nothing. That's what the chamber person talked to said. They did not respond. Yeah. Um
and they did we've already sent them the petition and everything earlier. We sent that to Aldi. Um and you can't even get a contact person when you try to find somebody. There's not a contact person. So I've heard um so we've asked them you know so I
think really our hope is that when Dixie is part of their negotiation because they're going to build they're going to they're going they're trying to build up their brand. They're just celebrating their 100redy year anniversary. Um is 95 years this year and is 100.
Huh. Right. So you're saying when Dixie is trying to build up those brand Southeastern Grocerers. Southeastern Groers. They're trying to rebuild their brand. Okay. And so they will probably even be rebuilding possibly some stores in areas where they've lost them where Aldi went
ahead and did a conversion. The concern like in Monaceel when I was talking to him because even though Monaceel is a little more developed, it's an urban it's an it's a suburb of Tallahassee, it's still and you're familiar. I mean far it's far and that's what he said and
they've lost just like we have. Um, and it's going to be down for probably at least four months, right? Right. So, that that means we'll have nothing here for four months except for the um save a lot and and Dollar General
and Family Dollar. Well, may if I could. Yes. When you first brought this up because you're quarantining with grocery business and the rest of it. When you first brought this up and you had a resolution. We have a resolution. Yeah. Um and I guess has the resolution
brought to the Wind Dixie plan the resolution everything. So that early on, right? If I remember you and I um were had very similar thoughts on the negative impact potentially of losing a
full service grocery store to our municipality. Am I do I am I remembering that right? That's the whole reason we did this. Exactly. Um and there were people who came to the meeting who were also concerned about the economic impact
their ability to access full service grocery services. So um there are two things that I think we might do. Um, we've I think I've talked about one of them before, but I've talked about um one is members of the
public expressed an interest in us having a community forum after work hours that they would some of the people who came and spoke because I think ours was during the workday time said they would really like us to have a community
forum. I think that would be helpful um just because you know we could videotape it, people could say what they wanted to say um you know in more detail than on a petition. And the second is um our chamber president really suggested that
we try to get a meeting and that we strategize and try to come up with what we can offer Southeastern Grocerers. And she suggested um that we do that. She and I talked about um both tangible incentives like a
tax rebate. She said we could do that. Um and also intangible incentives and I would really like to see us do that. Well, I think you should come come up with those because it's not really going to be with Wind Dixie. It's going to South Eastern Groceries. It's going to
be with Aldi because Aldi currently owns Aldi owns that Wind Dixie now. But if it doesn't to drive Southeastern grocerers to take the store, but I think it's up to it's up to Aldi and that's that's the
problem is is it's up to Aldi and that one that one that one Dixie is a high producer. Okay, but this is the $64 question and this is where the public meeting comes in. Um I think one of our
responsibilities is to you know it's a high producer now will it be a high producer as um as a discounter um will it meet I mean the basic to me the basic question is will it meet the needs of the people here enough to um
attract them to shop there. But the suggestion from the chamber was that um there there had to be both a willingness on Aldi's part to sell it back or to give it back and
there had to be a willingness of Southeastern Grocerers to request it back and that that was the part that we would need to work on because if they won't request it back then I'm sure Alda is not just going to on their own decide
to give back. So that was the suggestion of the chamber is that we meet with Wendixy um offer any incentives that we can um and any arguments that they could provide to all these I guess but that we
work on that part of the equation that's that's not complete me that's coming the one thing though is that um the one thing I do I have been told is that Aldi does not like to come into a community where they are not um welcomed.
Okay. And so that's an issue. Um I was also told and I'm trying to find I'm trying to figure out where it was. Um it was either Deltona or Deerry. one of those. It's actually the opposite that the city benefited because
they already had already made that decision and as part of that um was what they had to do is that there was a benefit to the city because of it um when they actually decided to do that. So rather than us do the tax rebate,
there was a and I'm not sure. I'm trying to find it. I've looked it up. Um Deerry had a lot of debate about that crossing over between um private a private you know entity and where they are but like us you know it's a community
what we're doing private entity because they're a private entity who is Southeastern Grocerers it's private property on private entity and we're and we're getting involved in that and so that was something that they had had some discussion about but they they did
I mean they they did but not to not nearly to the degree agree. I mean, I think us, we and Monolo have probably been the most vocal. Um, well, I mean, you know, Commissioner Burton has a different idea, but uh, retail strategies wouldn't exist. You
wouldn't have a CRA program if municipal government did not understand that. Um, but so are you saying Hi. Um, are you saying that Debury and Deltona decided that
there was more benefit to the city by being No, no, no, they didn't. But part of that um as they did the um the change over the conversion. Yes, there was a there was some sort of
I was told I haven't been able to find it anywhere yet. Okay. that possibly there was a fee involved a fee paid from who to who from I guess Aldi or whoever. Now I haven't confirmed that. So you're saying that Aldi paid
possibly possibly possibly and I have not confirmed that. Yes. Well um because it's part of the um it's part it was part of their but they might do their own permitting and it might be confused with that. So I'm just saying that it can go both you know. Well, um
I think most of us would agree that the benefits of having one here would outweigh any benefits I think of the conversion. Absolutely. Absolutely. And it's more than just our community. It's here in our community, but it affects people from Hastings to
Barberville. I said that in the letter, too, is that we get it's the surrounding communities as well. It's not just our community, it's the surrounding communities. And then it's like you have so many people that come to Crescent City because of
the Dixie and they do other things where they we'll have to go somewhere else. But so my hope would be that we could schedule another public forum. um maybe ask
you know find a moderator for it and um ask invite businesses residents um to you know express their concerns. I particularly like to hear um from local businesses. I'd like to hear from the people who live in Seville and Pearson
and even asked her. I told you about the lady. I told you about the lady I talked to at customer service for some company I called and she said, "Oh, I know Crescent City. I come up there to go to your Windixie. We can I mean that's something that we can possibly do. Um I don't know that we
could even hold the chorite coordinate with other city you know having a negative you know we obviously want to have community forum we want all talk about this and we know how we feel most of us here but we
don't also want to make it that the city of present is against, you know, or getting them off. So, we have the chamber sponsor and we invite everybody in and have it at the school or something at the audi and I want that very clear. Nobody, you
know, all provides a great opportunity. Um, it's just not that full service that a lot of our residents have been depending on. And I did put that in the letter. Thank you. Something to that. Something to that. Um I think Commissioner had a great idea
about asking the chamber if they could sponsor if they might even um facilitate. Maybe they would have somebody who would like um to facilitate and then that would be a nice way to invite um when you say school but the
school that's what I was thinking too auditorium reimaged everyone around it most likely. Does Middleton have any kind of gym or
auditorium? Okay. And does it have tiny little chairs? When I was there for the second, right? Okay. Well, I mean to me
and who knows, we might um you know, we might come up with some other helpful economic information along the way. We'll talk to Laura about it and see and see if they would be open to it. If that's what the commission wants to do, I can reach out to Laura and talk to
her. Absolutely. Appreciate you also. Thank you. Um, okay. Are we good? Everybody good? Anything else before we take a break? Okay, I'm gonna go ahead. We're gonna
this workshop. Thank you all for being here and we will be convening at 3:30. Great. I'm not taking any