might come in a different >> maybe that was in the same my stream of emails that I checked Yes. >> Good evening. >> The Present City Historical Preservation
Board meeting March 19, 2026 will now come to order. Call to um roll call. Communion Harding >> here. >> Dan Dodge >> here. >> Alice McCoy
>> here. >> Robert Sher >> here. >> Brad Green >> here. >> Derek Martin >> here. >> And Pamela Taylor is recording the clerk in code enforcement. >> Okay. You miss me.
You miss me. >> Oh, I'm sorry. We'll see you here. You're always >> Now we will have the approval of minutes for December the 18th, 2025.
>> I make a motion that we approve the minutes for December 18, 2025 with any necessary correction. >> Second. >> It has been properly motioned and second that we approve the minutes for December the 18th, 2025.
All in favor? I >> all oppose. >> Now we'll move into our business items. A condemn properties status review and action items. So currently, let me get to my notes.
Um, and Pam, if you want to come off of clerk for a minute and go to code enforcement, that's perfectly fine. But I've got a uh just a small a small briefing on this. Um currently right now we have a status of eight condemned or monitored properties within Crescent
City. Um the information that we have of course reflects active permits, ownership, compliance actions, and known code enforcement history. If you'd like to speak to those eight, that would be great. If you could come to the mic. Thank you. Good evening.
>> These eight properties I requested that the building department said I'll put them up here. >> Next 1132 Huntington Road was condemned and it's not occupied.
515 South Prospect Street has a current uh building permit on it. They're remodeling it, refurbing it, bringing it up to code. Uh 205 Main, North Main Street has a current building permit for it.
227 South Main Street was removed by the property owner. 714 Bay Street was an old church on Bay Street and it burned back in April of 2023. That's been gone. 825 Division
was uh condemned and removed by the property owner. 317 South Main Street, Johnson Barry told me it had been condemned. I don't know that it has been, but it does appear to be occupied currently. Um and then 107 North Main
Street, uh City of Crescent City owns it, and that's old lodge across the street there. So, Yes, sir. >> I just have a question. Um, is it the city that condemns it or is it
>> county building department condemn them? >> So, they can >> they can Yeah. >> Okay. So, what once something is in the status of being condemned, can somebody resurrected? >> They have a choice of either tearing the
house down or the structure down, >> right? I or bringing it up to code. >> And how long that is there a timeline for that? >> The building department gives them 30 to 90 days, but um at that point I would
take them to the special magistrate. They hadn't uh done something with it. The 515 South Prospect has a longstanding code enforcement lean on it already. They're my neighbors and I've been watching them build that place for
the last three years. >> Right. >> Is that that little house on the side of the side street that we talked about before? >> Yeah. It used to be the the service quarters for the main house that's on the same side of the street.
>> Oh yes. On that street. >> They are currently working on it though. >> Oh yeah. I hear them. They were the saws and the hammers all day. >> Yeah. So, yeah. So, they got a new roof on it and they're putting siding on it. Yeah.
>> So, all of that is then inspected by the county or something because they have to have a building permit. They have building inspected. >> It's amazing they're spending that much money on the house. >> It is. >> So, Pam, um,
>> so it's my understanding that once it's been condemned, everything, as you stated, everything has to be brought to current code. >> Correct. So nothing is grandfathered that's honored. Correct. >> Correct. >> Yeah. That's quite a task.
>> Any other questions? >> Are any of these houses uh historical? >> I don't know. >> I think the 227 South Main was, but it's been taken down. It was an old motel, I believe.
>> Yeah. Yeah, it was an old tavern and I guess the doctor's a doctor lived there and Yeah, it was it was in pretty bad shape. >> It was >> Yeah. And the and it was wise unfortunately to tear it down because uh
vagrants were living in it. The young people were partying in it and um it was very unsafe >> um to the point of collapsing if somebody went up the stairs. I could
pass that one through it, >> but not up the stairs. >> So, if that house at 5:15 was the caretaker's house for that very historical house beside of it, >> right? >> Does that mean that it might be his
historical >> in its own right? I mean, I don't know. >> Yeah, it is. >> That became the contributing structure. It was part of our historic district. >> Okay. >> It was surveyed.
It was survey as part of the study. >> BJ, are you um from a historical perspective? Are you concerned about any of these besides the one we just spoke of? >> Um just the the 505 was it was part of
the first survey for the historic district? I don't think it's in the district boundaries, but it was it counts as a historic structure. The rest of them I are not historic as far as I have another question.
Only eight. I thought many more than eight. When when was the what was the date of this survey that came up with eight? >> I'm so sorry. I didn't hear what you said. I didn't hear what you said. What was the date of the survey that came up
with eight homes? >> When did you get this information which was this week? It's up to date for this week. >> Yes. >> Um >> Okay. So, it's currently >> Yes, it is. Yes, it is. >> So, once it's torn down, it comes off
your list. Is that correct? >> No, I I compiled this list myself. These are buil these are the properties that I requested that the building department condemn and some of them were condemned many years ago. So I I guess question is
>> kept them on the list. >> Once they tear it down it's it's gone. I mean it's no longer a problem. How does it come off the >> We're in compliance once it gets torn down, but it still remains on our on our
ledger that that that was, you know, take. >> So, but do they still owe the fees for whatever? >> No, the 227 South Main paid the leans that were on the property. The new owners did. Um
714 Bay Street is there's still a lane approving on that property for other code violations. Um Division Street didn't approve any fines or leans because they tore it down in the time specified by the board. Um
317 South Main I didn't ever site them for anything. Um 107 North Main belongs to the city now. So, there were no clients acrewed on that. Uh 1132 Huntington Road doesn't have a a code
enforcement lean on it either at this point at but 55 South Prospect Street. The fine is still trueing daily on that. 205 North Main Street had a lean and the commission
released the lean last October so he could get a permit again and start renovations. and his permit is current. >> I just have another question. You said that the fines are ongoing as far as 515. >> Yes.
>> Fine for >> code violations that had high leaves and trash and the dilapidated condition of the house. And this goes back to 2019. So even though they've pulled a new
building permit, they're still acrewing lanes. >> Yes. >> They have to satisfy what was in place before unless they come and request a reduction through the magistrate. Is that correct? >> Okay. >> So they have to have the building permit final before that part of it in
compliance. >> Correct. I just you mentioned that it would cost him a lot more to rebuild that house than if you tore it down and built a whole new one, right? Well, the problem is the lot
doesn't meet the requirements for building a new home. It's too small. >> Yeah. They couldn't they couldn't do the same thing again, >> right? So that's why they chose to rebuild it as opposed to tearing it down and then rebuilding. So then that leads
to another question. If if you tear down a building or condemn it, tear it down and the lot is too small to build anything new on, what happens? Do they petition for? >> It could apply for marriage. Yes.
>> Okay. >> I have a question. Yes, I'm learning. So when we talk about condemned properties in relation to the historic preservation board, what is it that where do we come into? What is our role when it talks
about condemned properties in the historic preservation board? >> Do you want to answer? >> I would defer to commissioner lawyer on that. >> Why? Well, it we have a responsibility to
maintain, you know, to be the shepherds of historical properties and so when something is condemned, um, you obviously it's good reason, but it should be reported to us so that we know the loss.
>> Correct. So it doesn't m So for example on the list it's good for us to know but our main but one of the things that we should really be focused on is if it's a historical property. >> Yes. >> The other information is FYI
>> secondary. >> Okay. >> All right. I think the last thing that we want to do is tear down a historical building. >> That's the last that's the last ditch effort on that one. I mean if it can be saved we want to do everything possible to save that one. So, >> I just wanted to know just from my own
>> and and that kind of leads over into the to the next item if we're ready to move on from this. It's up to you. >> I I have just a question. >> Go for it. Okay. >> Pam Pam, I I'm assuming that these eight condemned are over. It's not this past
year, it's several years worth. >> Correct. >> I've been here nine years. So, these are over the past nine years. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So quite frankly I was expecting more. So thank you ma'am.
>> Thank you ma'am. >> Let me ask this question as well. So I thought that we were um going through locating all of the historical homes so we could try to prevent this from happening.
>> I thought we were doing that then you know we would know when they come up. Um you I mean you would automatically be able to know okay that's a historical home. So what happened to that?
>> That's part of the process for going through we did the survey. >> Okay the report we're just trying to figure out the mechanism to have this information available. >> Okay. And and Madam Chair, if you remember, um we brought up the issue, I don't
know, a year and a half ago, maybe two years ago, >> and um there was a breakdown in communication um between the county and the city when a a historical building was in danger. So, um
>> I'm trying to make sure that we're notified before they make that decision. >> Exactly. So, this city has stepped forth to uh have better communications. >> Okay. >> All right. We move on to the next. >> Yes.
>> And that kind of bleeds over into this the demolition permit. You stay up there real quick, Pam, just in case it's asked. So, I did research. Um, you know, we don't handle our own permitting here at the city. All done county. I could not find anything at the county level on
their website or their portal that had to do specifically with demolition of a home. I could only find demolition of a a um motor home or or like an like a mobile home. And I think it's important that this body and our commission work
together to try to have some sort of mechanism um that takes the information of historical uh significance and have that attached to with our survey to the county uh attached to any demo permit
that's trying to be received. So it it flags a system where we can get an email populated something that says, "Hey, you know, we are getting somebody who's here that wants to take down this beautiful building." >> Okay, great. We need to know about that. Um and then we can report that, bring
that up and and maybe have a second set of um you know, checks and balances before someone moves forward in that process and takes down a building. We don't want that needs to be, you know, >> save some something. And right now, it's just not there. You know, we get a
report at the end of the month. I get one from Leo every month that shows how many permits were pulled and what they were for. I've seen them in there before for a demo. We just had one that was a house that was burnt or had a tree that fall through fell through it.
>> I didn't even know until it was already gone that the house was gone. >> Oh, right. Yes. I reported it on this manager's report this last month. >> I wish and we should have some sort of mechanism where we're notified ahead of time.
>> Well, this came about a little while back because on the back side of Lake Stella there was a a wonderful Gothic house and all of a sudden it's gone. And and um uh obviously uh in that type of
situation if if the house could have been saved either by moving it moving it from that light to another location or something um is should be considered uh and um and interesting enough the the
barn behind it is still there >> right >> but uh so that's that's what what really red flag this this action >> and thank you for moving forward with it. >> Yes, sir. I mean, at the end of the day, investors, private owners, you know,
it's their property. If there's something we can do to help if there's some sort of mechanism that they have to go through certain steps to get that approval to try their best to keep it. I mean, some of these, you know, can be kept way too much money involved and we
can't ask people, hey, you know, you have to do this. We can set parameters. >> Well, we can >> and certainly and certain things we can and there are communities that do that. >> Sure. >> Like Nucket Island is extremely strict, >> right?
>> That I'm not suggesting we go there. >> But there's certain steps to take. >> That's That's right. And we just want to assist. >> Absolutely. >> And if anything, try to save. >> We're going to continue looking down this road. Part of this and I asked Commissioner Lori to be here tonight if
he could answer any questions. Part of this has to do with our ordinance and our historic preservation ordinance. All of these things need to be put somewhat in that. And I know if Commissioner Lori, if you could come up and speak, I would appreciate that. We can fill you in and catch you up on where we're at in
that process because that goes along with this. >> It it certainly does. And we're making progress. >> Yes, absolutely. >> Yo Avenue. Um I'm not here as a commissioner. I'm here as an adviser.
>> Sorry, sir. No, that's fine. Um I know right now not right now. Um speaking to the historic preservation ordinance, it's not the topic conversation you just had. Um yes, there is there should be a process in place. It's called the certificate of appropriateness, a CA,
and that is something that is going to be in our new historic preservation ordinance, which is funny to say new historic a new historic preservation or that I'm working on with Tallahassee and the division of um division of historic resources. Our former historic
preservation ordinance was really not it had no teeth in it. It had it was basically voluntary. um it did not have informed this board, but it didn't give the board anything to do or any power. Um when we recodified, which is something that you you're supposed to do
every 10 years, have a company like Code go through our ordinances and put them into the the book of ordinances basically um and put it on the website. And that's what we had done last year or 2034. Um, and during that process, they
removed our historic preservation ordinance. Um, that was a mistake. That was unintentional, but it was done inadvertently because we were rewriting our land development code at the same time. And the advice given code is that it would be covered in our land development code. Well, parts of it are,
but not most of it. So, as of right now, we kind of don't have historic preservation ordinance. Um, but we're working on it. I have I got two drafts back from Tallahassee this week and so I need to combine them into one one one document and you should be getting that
probably at your next meeting so you guys can review it and then recommend it to the city commission. Um but part of that will be uh demolition permits. Um, if there's a building that's historic that's protected and listed on the National Register of Historic Places as a contributing structure, um, the owner
would have to come to you and plead their case, um, and then get your permission to have a to demolish the building, um, or, you know, to to modify it or anything like that. So, that would be purpose of this board. And
I don't know why that mechanism was never put in place before because as you know like you said the county building department is the one that grants permits. Um so we should as soon as we pass this new ordinance we'll make sure that that process is in place so that
they don't grant permits because the one place we're talking about was through the the boarding house the Bethl across on South Main Street across from Jan's house that they applied for the permit. the next day they granted it by the county and then it was caught on Thursday. Yeah. So, um and it was like a
$50 permit. That's all you had to pay and no there was no um no conversation with the city or anything else. So, that's what we need to make sure we prevent and um because that was a contributing structure to the historic district. So, we're we're going to fix
that. It's in process and as soon as I get done with these two uh ordinances pushing together, we have kind of the blessing of Tallahassee. they make sure that everything is in there that we need to have in there. I just need to put them into one document. So, um that will also what qualifies as a CLG, a certified local government, which is
something I know Kim shaking her head. Um I was, you know, started pushing when I was on the planning board. Um seems like that was just yesterday. But and I've been working on this whole time, but we're getting there. And when we come start fighting with the government, it gives us a little bit more teeth to
manage the historic district and historic landmarks. It also opens us up to a lot of um grant opportunities and funding opportunities from different organizations. So, it's a positive thing. It's something that the city commission has stated as a a goal. It's
in our comprehensive plan. Um it's set it for a while. So, we're actually making progress. So, soon you will see the fruits of that will be on. So, there you go. Thank you, sir. >> Appreciate that. >> Any more discussion on that? So if Miss
Lori presents that what you call what's distributed appropriateness >> appropriately if he you're going to submit that >> oh the ordinance will come to you yes >> okay so once he submits that to us and
we approve it is that meet does that meet everybody's needs >> then it goes to the city go to the commission I'll present it to Does the ordinance and the way it's worded meet everybody's needs? >> It it should and it's being vetted by
Tallahassee and then upon review and approval from you all. We will take it to the commission. They may have a couple more comments or additions or changes and then once that's settled, we probably would approve it. They would approve it that evening and then we would send it up to Civic Plus to be
>> put into our ordinance. Okay. And added to our ordinance. >> The whole idea of rewriting it is to make sure that we have cover everything. >> All of it. Yeah. We didn't have there wasn't any penalties in the old ordinance like when someone did tear down a house without a demolition permit. There was no recourse and so
this will have that in there. In fact, they've changed the laws in Florida just last year. The legislature made it so that you actually have uh you can access you can assess a penalty of up to a quarter of the value of the house before it was turned down. So that was something that they just passed in the
last legislature. So, it used to just be like a $150 fine. Now, you can go up to half or a third of the value of the house. So, we'll have that all included in it. >> Okay. Well, thank you very much for putting in that effort for us.
>> Yes. Thank you. >> I asked him to be here tonight just for that. >> Good. I appreciate it, sir. >> We greatly appreciate it. No problem. Thank you. >> Okay. All right, we can move to C. New Moon Lodge project update.
All right, put together a little briefing. I like to read this just so I can stay on track. Um, the city began procurement in October 2025 for architectural services related to the new new launch restoration. During this process, staff identified existing uh an
existing continuing services agreement with REGG Architects Incorporated previously used utilized for historic surveys and studies. In consultation with Steve Frisco, our state contact, the city proceeded under this agreement rather than a full competitive
procurement. Deliverable one was submitted on December 23rd, 2025 and updated on January 5th, 2026 and formally approved by the state on January 14th, 2026. Multiple communications occurred between October and December among city state
partners and the AE firm to ensure compliance with grant and project requirements. On deliverable one, the components were completed and approved for the architect credentials, CVs, resumes, relevant historic project experience, etc.
project timeline, estimated scope of work, and uh for construction drawings. Um the project scope includes ADA accessibility upgrades to the first floor, ramp, restroom, circulation, uh structural stabilization of framing,
floors, roof, and porches, restoration of historic exterior elements, sighting, windows, doors, sopets, fascia, and the MEP coordination including mechanical, electrical, plumbing, and uh the use of optical mini split systems. Our project schedule is as followed. Our schematic
design for planning and zoning was two months. It had completed and now we're actually complete as of February 28th of this year. Our design development portions two months. That also completes April 30th of 2026. And our construction full construction documents will be completed by June 29th. Um, of course
you all know this is for $50,000. 10,000 for the schematic design, 15,000 for the design development, $25,000 for the construction documents. Let me ask this question. So, we know that you have to have certain
credentials in order to work on a historical building, and I know it's going to be over a million dollars to get this building. Um and most of it is dependent on grant funding. Um that's
why it's price is so high. So is there any way that someone can come in that have um those credentials can come in and like
break down do a breakdown of everything that needs to be fixed? And um and costwise, like if if we're doing the porches, how much is the porch going to cost? >> Mhm. >> Is is that possible that we could get that?
>> That will actually be part of the construction documents. Okay. The engineer or the AE in this case will hire an engineer to look at these things. It'll be in the construction documents and plans. um you're not going to have a cost until you get those construction plans and then they will
have um an estimated construction cost that they'll put together for that. So, we'll know. I I don't know what the total cost of that building is going to be. It could be a million, it could be 2 million, it could be 500,000. We just don't know until we get those schematics and then it goes out to bid.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Because even even what they give us is just an estimate. You won't have hard costs until you procure this. If you put it out to multiple vendors and they came back, they come back with prices and then you have an idea of how much it's going to cost.
>> What we get back in June should um give help us with that those details. >> It's going to be the next step. >> Okay. >> I would say what you're asking for is going to be the step after this finalization. >> So, thank you.
>> Yes. the the cost of this um res um reconstruction or renovation, is that going to be 100% covered by grants? That's a hard question, too. I mean, assuming that there's a vehicle for a
grant um for grant availability, I would say yes, but there may there may be I mean, this is a historic site. There's lots of entities. There's lots of stakeholders. It may be something that the city works on to get uh other monies from other other resources along with a
historical grant. We just I don't know till we get there. But to answer your question is short yes it's going to be grants. >> Okay. So if the cost is going to be a million or two million that's a lot of money to be asking for grant. So
will they until they get the money that is required for the renovation of this structure, this can be drawn out quite a while they're petitioning or or applying for grants. I mean we could draw this thing
out for two to five years because that's a lot of money. >> Yes. >> Yes. Um, hi Megan. Um, the plan, we know that that is a lot of money. Um, special category grants, which are from the division of historic resources, um,
which the state legislature did not fund last year. Uh, you can apply up to $750,000. Um, we understand that it's going to be expensive. We have asked and I believe the communication with architect is a phased plan. Um, in fact, what they
originally gave us as a conceptual plan at the beginning was a lot more than that. And we've had them bring it down. Yes. And it kind of instead of building a whole new tower with the elevator and um ADA bathrooms and that stuff in it, they're adapting
>> the the building for just first core ADA use. So, we've already asked them to take a step back from the pie in the sky um to kind of get uh something more reasonable. >> Yes. And so, and like the city manager said, yeah, we won't know the exact cost
until we get these construction documents, but having the construction documents will allow us to get more firm costs and also be able to go and get grants >> because they they really like it when you have ready to go plans. It makes it a lot easier to get funding. And as you
mentioned also there are private organizations because this is an African-American um struct you know was used um and the I had that in my headd the lodge um and because it's one of the
last main buildings in our city in our historic district that has to do with the African-American community and social life um it gives us a really good opportunity uh to get some additional grants and some additional scoring when they put the grants together. So, um, we
we hope I mean that's the plan. There's not there's not any money in the city budget to to do this. >> So, it all it all adds up together. The plans are a huge piece of it because like Commissioner Lori was saying, when you go in and you're asking for that pot of
money that they're going to say, well, what have you done? >> Well, we can say, well, look what we've done. You know, and they're not looking at, well, how did you do it? They're just saying, what do you have? when we have a full set of plans, schematics, engineering, you've had investigations, you've got it all. They know that you're
ready to go. And when you have a shovel ready, they're like, "Hey, let's give you some money." If we were, if we have our phase plan, like we've discussed, I believe it's three-phase approach is what we discussed. Um, originally, when they were asked to look at this, it was $120,000. We only had 50,000 in this
grant. So, I had to negotiate with them and say, "Look, here's what we need to get done." I worked with Commissioner Lori. we said what how can we reduce this like he was saying we have to be under 50,000 well once we get that that is the most important piece of this to
move this into the next level and that's where we're at right now and there are public private partnerships because of what this is and the specialty of it there's going to be dollars out there to get we just got to be real thinking outside the box and ask everywhere we can and utilize our groups our civic
clubs and bring the community together see what we can do to get this together. And being that it's a it's a multi-phase approach, we may get appropriations of 200,000 one year and we can do the first floor. The next year you get another 150 and you can do you know stairs and you
can do other windows and HBAC and so you we'll work with the engineers to do this and and yes it may be a few years but we'll we'll it'll come together. It'll come together. That's the plan. That's the most important part which we talked about when the architects were here was stabilizing that building because as you
know back to it really I go by every day you know coming back and forth from city hall and I I shake my head but I know that there's a future coming. I mean we've been working on this for a while looking at you know you mentioned this is going to still be a long process but we are taking it we are making the the right steps and we're doing as soon as
we can. So I think that we think you know Mr. Ride did a good job of getting started. >> Yes. the um concerned citizens have been very supportive and we appreciate that and so we've all been working together. I think it's a great project and I one of the first times I was actually back in this building or in this room was to
as a citizen to you know tell the city commission how bad of an idea I thought it was to tear that building down. So that was one of the reasons that I'm here now is because of that building and what it means to this community. So, I think it's a great thing and there's a lot of support behind it and I would
love to see it, you know, restored and I'd love to see a lot of neat stuff going on there and it definitely has a history. It's a neat building. So, of course, I can't get in it yet. So, but I've seen pictures of it. So, you know, >> what year has it >> was built in 19 Well, it was built in
1912 and at that point it was it was facing Summit Street, but when they expanded the highway, they took it and moved it back to Main Street. So they actually what you see now is the back with the back of the house. So instead of turning it because it's a lot harder to turn it really you can just move it
straight back. And so that's why there's there was porches on the front and the back. So that's kind of the back of the house. They turn it you know they went back and re reworked things because it was actually just a a home a private home and then they turned it into the house to tears. >> Yeah.
>> And it just you know where it was basically right where the the music store used to be and right there. Um. Oh, sure. >> And they just moved it straight back. >> What year was it? >> I think it was 40. >> Yeah, it would have been when they >> I I have it. >> Yeah. >> When they
>> when they made when they expanded in the highway >> because they tore down everything basically they move everything out the way or tear down. That's where it'll be lost all the trees because the trees widened. So, one thing um about two years ago
now, two or three years, um another grant was written and that was to make sure that the building was strong, that the bones were good. So, that was um done. Um and so that's why we're still
here because when it came in, all of that is good. So, and and like I said, it it's the money out there, but this is the little dot your eyes and cross the tees to be prepared to present that in order to get that money. But there are a
lot of money out there to do it, but you got to have that taken care of first. >> So, when are when is the all the drawings and everything to be ready to go to bid? >> June. >> June of this year, we'll have those ready. Now, we're not going to go to bid
until we can we until we can procure a grant. Correct. >> Well, >> I mean, it kind of simultaneously goes together. >> Or we can go out for procurement and get a price and then >> I kind of think it's going to be interesting to go >> Yeah. >> get some prices from
>> to see where we're at. >> Yes. To see what kind of >> money you're going to need to go for. And also um keep this in mind a lot of people don't understand like it is so high because these people that do this work they know that's where you're going
to get that money from grant money. So that's why they price it so high because it's known it's not coming out of my pocket or your pocket. It's coming out it's from funding. >> So that's why they take advantage of it.
I've heard this before. Mainly was we had a couple maybe six, seven months ago, we had a meeting about building a new restroom for one of the parks here. >> Mhm. >> And it was like a 12 by 24, you know, man side or a woman's side
and they had bids like 50,000. >> Yes. I >> that is why St. There's no way that I can trust that amount of money. We could all get together and probably put our money
together and build rally against them jacking their prices way up because they're saying, "Oh, it's not your money. You're getting a credit." >> Then you need to find an honest contractor. >> Okay. Well, I believe that. So I I I'm
you know when it comes to the conversations of some of these things I'm I will I'm still new and I hadn't heard the previous conversations. I just kind of researched where we're at today. What has been the discussion of the use of it once it's done? Let's just say it
is in perfect shape. It is ready to be utilized. What what has the city discussed h having it for preservation historic tours >> community a community service center basically our community center I believe the >> senior center
>> you can ask the concerned citizens they had some ideas as well >> yeah that's what we um want people to be able to come in and tour the building okay >> um to continue to work or service in the community um somebody might just want to have a small meeting there um they can
have a meeting there. So just it's going to serve the community for school programs with um that kind of stuff and you know stuff to first of all service and serve the black community that's around it but also the wider community
as a whole. >> Gotcha. Okay. has they talked about in this uh process how many people that fire marshall would approve to be in the building at at any given time. >> Yeah, we have to find all of that out
once >> because that'll determine a lot of what they'll provide that in those schematics and engineering it'll be designed for a certain capacity. >> So who's designing it? >> It'll be doing everything.
>> Great. the the first form they in and the conceptual plan it was to maybe put some offices in there or some some smaller rooms but it was a re it was a meeting room. It was where they they held their meetings um and that after discussions it was to leave that open. So it is um kind of an open floor plan
so you can have meetings. Um basically you know they need to you know secure the building and and you know strengthen it and then replace what they need but they're going to leave the layout kind of the same. So, it'll be very flexible. Um, and then the upstairs won't really
be used at first because >> I know it's boarded up, but does anybody have access to that? I have not seen that. I'd like >> to go in upstairs, >> not upstairs, but just in the building itself. I haven't seen >> Well, you just have to take the boards
down. >> Yeah, it's a a area that water floor has caved in. So, But you can step around it. The talk is solid. >> That's that's interesting. >> If you could find time, give me a call.
We can meet up and I'd love to go and see it myself. >> The stages are in there from where the masons met, had their meetings, everything. >> Yeah. The names of the car, the members. >> See, all that had to be >> left alone, restored,
>> you know, >> preserved. Preserved. Yeah. >> Mhm. >> I'd love to see it whenever you can. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> I just have another question. Once once, as Derek said, once this thing is completely done, we've gotten all our grant money enough
to pay, there's going to be somebody's going to have to manage the building, which will be a fee, right? And is it a non- taxable? So, there's no this building is not going to create any taxes. >> It's own by the city, >> right?
>> Okay. So, you're still going to have to have someone who maintains the property, somebody who's there. If like if you're if you're scheduling meetings there or things like that, somebody's going to have to manage that. >> Is that going to come out of grant money also? >> No. No. That'll come out of the general
fund at that point in time. We'll have to budget for long-term maintenance and deferred maintenance. You know, you're going to have to set aside a little bit every year to cover when the AC goes out. And uh we just have to plan for that. >> Okay. So that's some that's the city's
got >> the city would take that on at that point. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Now you don't the only other time that it wouldn't, correct me if I'm wrong, is if the city teamed up with with a historic society type company that comes in and they want to put some of their own dollars in it and they
would maintain it. That ideally would be something that would be good for the city to to lessen the impact on our budget. Um, but that's something that would have to be a discussion later on after the building's beautiful. You're putting it out to the world saying, "Hey, look what we did." And then you
find interested parties to do that. Well, you know, to do that, a lot of work, a lot of energy to once you get it built, re refurbish just to maintain it. Um,
>> it's about a dollar a square foot per year for maintenance. >> How many square feet is it? >> I don't know. >> It would be total square feet. So, you 3000 >> I would I would imagine with a deferred
maintenance on it, just looking at it with my experience, you're probably looking at $10,000 and that's a very big high number. um $10,000 a year >> for maint to to maintenance. I mean, you're gonna have electricity, you're gonna have your water, you're gonna have
your roof, um you know, all your cocking, your painting, all everything gets into you have maintenance and then you have deferred maintenance. That's something people don't talk about, but that's a longterm year after year what you have to put into it. So to set aside 10,000 a year to maintain it, you may
not use the two or 3,000 one year. You roll over the next into the next. And then when you need that new HCAC, you've got 20,000 to go and fix it, which it wouldn't be for that building, but I'm just I'm using just numbers, but it's going to have to be discussed.
>> The at the historical society meeting, the program was about um property near Tampa, >> Brooksville. It's in Burnsville >> and Florida&M University had a lot of money and bought a lot of
stuff and they're they're very involved in that. >> So maybe if FAMU has some money they might be interested in helping us with. >> Okay. they, you know, once once the building is finished or reconstructed, there's all kinds of opportunities that
will have and plus there will be income from facility rentals. Someone wants to have a birthday party or a wedding or all kinds of things. There's that's how you manage city properties. Yes. So, we, you know, this is not something that's, you know, a hard concept.
Cities all over the country do it. Um, and we we've committed to this building being part of our community still and the importance of it. So, I mean, it'd be nice to be able to have a meeting somewhere besides in city hall. You know, there's all kinds of times that we need to have meetings that we don't want to do in this very stuffy official
setting. So, um I can see that there's there's plenty of opportunities for stuff to go on and hopefully it'll be a catalyst for new things to happen around it. But after it's done, you know, the city can maintain ownership and lease it out to somebody or we could operate it under me understanding with somebody.
There's all kinds of options. So, but just we need to save the building first. >> Absolutely. Moving to the Miller Middle School facility and property report update. >> Dan, if you could
>> I would appreciate that, sir. a lot of info on that. >> Well, I haven't got much to report today. >> Um uh and uh of course we uh um the BRC
uh is now the BRC 2.0 and we're under the uh Fruitman um Peninsula Historical Society. Um we are waiting for information
um from the um uh school district um and um until we get that information we're sort of dead in the water. >> Okay. uh and it's been some time but we have to
remember that they have just in our local two large construction projects that are going online and then they have another school of course the elementary school that's going to be vacant. Um so things have u pretty
complicated for them for them once they are uh open and of course the air is growing. Um obviously they're going to see what the need is and if they need more space
that's another consideration. So um we're patiently waiting and the BRC 2.0 zero has not met for some time. Um but I'm hopeful that we will soon. >> Okay.
>> Thank you, sir. You're welcome. >> Thank you. E historical district report. >> So on this particular line item, we we basically covered that with what Commissioner was talking about um with the ordinance and what we're doing for
the historical district. I didn't have anything else to to report on that at this time. >> Okay. All right. Move on to F architectural and site guard, excuse me, guidelines review and discussion. So,
this is something I think coming up with the we need to look at with the CB changeover as well in the historic district. Um, I don't know if any of y'all have been in touch with Mr. Mark Caret. He's currently working on that. He is our planning and zoning director with Zev Cohen. I I would implore you to
please reach out to him. I have his information. I can give you his business cards. Um they are currently working on and I think you probably have this here. Let me just grab this so you can see it. A lot of this area. This is a proposed
central um business zoning district. Everything that you see in the black and red hatching is what is being proposed to change over that zoning. A lot of this in this area is zoned right now. General construction one, GC1 or general commercial, I'm sorry, general
commercial one. This is going to go to CD1. The the uses are changing here. It's going to make it easier for people to come in, invest, build, live, and have businesses. However, I think this body needs to discuss the historical
aspect of the the importance of our historical buildings and um architectural and site guidelines so they can be implemented or at least put into what Mark's currently working on and then that also works in conjunction with what we're working on uh with our our ordinance. So
>> So it's not that it's going to be it is desired to be. Is that correct? It has not been approved. >> No, it has not been approved. So, it's a proposal. >> It's a proposal. >> It's got to go through planning and zoning board and then ultimately the commission. There's been several um
meetings and there's been workshop with the public and this is definitely something that's desirable for our area. It will help. Um right now there's just a lot of non-conformance and it's really hard for anybody to do anything in the central business district which is our
historical district. Um, with that being said, with this body, uh, unless Mark comes to this meeting individually, if you all can reach out and let him know your concerns and how he can incorporate, um, you know, our
historical um, needs in regard to code into what he's looking to to change. I think he needs to hear about that. >> Well, what you might do is invite him to our meeting so he can hear us as a bike. >> It's very expensive, sir. trying to save
money. But if he needs to come, yes. I think a good thing would be for everybody to contact him individually before that and then we can maybe set him up to come. >> Does he not charge >> if somebody calls him and he Don't you Aren't you sure? Because I would imagine
he's going to charge for that call. he'll charge, but a 10 15 minute call is definitely not like him driving here >> um for a meeting which costs the city a lot of money >> cuz this if if 15 minutes >> Yeah. >> and you have this many people call him,
you might as well have him come here for an hour. >> Yeah. I mean, and >> or 15 minutes or 30 minutes in front of the group. >> When you get a lot of money, you figure >> I I wouldn't have it. He he's based hourly base and he's he's got everything
scheduled out by fee. >> 500,000 2,000. >> No. No. But it would be several hundreds of dollars for him to come come here. >> What's his hourly fee? >> I have to go back and look.
>> 80 to $120 an hour, something like that. >> Oh, well that's not so bad. >> No, it's not horrible. It's not horrible. But but I think I think a heads up call to him >> would would be good before he comes in. >> I'm not sure he's receptive to anything from what I understand.
>> Well, he's receptive to me. I can make sure we talk >> as a group. He would be more receptive than one person. >> You all are more than welcome to come to my office as well and I can even set up a Zoom call with him and we do that all the time and we can talk >> individually. Individually. Yes. And I'm
here. He'll charge more. >> I just know he charges a lot when he comes and talk to the commission. >> Sun sunshine issues too. Don't worry. >> Yeah. Same same as the commission. So individually, if you want to come to my office, we can always call him and talk
to him. We can set up I can set up those meetings with you all. I'm fine with that. Um and again when it comes to the money portion of it I if we talk to it for a few minutes and just we have everything ready what we want him to add the main things that you're it's going to be the same thing from everybody
basically but what we're looking for in his planning and zoning and the addition of historical aspects and I don't think it should be >> is there a package we can be provided with that shows the changes concept >> uh for the CV >> absolutely
the central business district is currently it exists. It was in our land development code update. So the requirements and the uh stipulations are in there. There's just nothing that is zoned central business district yet. >> Right. We we passed all that with the land development code when you guys went
through the land development code too. >> My my point is the change is a written document that tells us what the change. >> Yes, I can get it to you. >> Okay. >> All the changes and what it is and why. >> And let me ask you a general question. So, say I own a property uh in in that
zone and it's changed. Am I grandfathered in? >> You if you want to be grandfathered to what you have right now, then there is an opt out form. You do not have to go along with this change. Anybody that lives in the central business district can opt out.
>> But also before control, >> the zoning will not change anything in your existing building. your building can as long as you're if you have a house there, it's fine. You can change to the central business district, it doesn't affect your house at all. Now, if you're going to build something new,
if you're going to expand your footprint, then you would come under the changes in the zoning. So, everything is grandfathered in as it currently is if you're not changing anything. But the the reason for the central business district is that in this town, we have one zoning category for commercial, just
one. Most cities you have five or 10, we have one. And that cover covers everything from the Stalot Plaza to the doctor's office behind the church um and everything in between. And the thing is that the historic central business
district area um used to have commercial downstairs and residential upstairs or you had commercial all squeezed in with zero lot lines. That's what this allows us to kind of go back to because currently our GC1 does not allow you to
live above your business, >> which of course doesn't make sense at Save a lot, but here it does. Um, it is something that we're just trying to give the opportunities to redevelop Central Avenue or develop Central Avengers in a
way that is walkable and a way that makes sense for density. If we want to build, say, if someone wants to buy the Miller or you call that market square across the street. Um they could put commercial downstairs and then condos for two or three stories.
>> That's not allowed currently. >> And so yes, that's a big piece of property and we want someone to redevelop it, but also in between like the alleyway that's between 310 central and uh King's Office supply. Right now, you can't do anything with that. But
there used to be a store there before it burned out or before, you know, it was torn down. And this would allow you to develop that without having to worry about setbacks from the side of buildings, that kind of stuff. So all it does is puts in place um it allows you to go back to a central business
district sort of thing. Right now it would be very difficult for someone to develop some of those pieces of property in any meaningful way. And what we really want is to develop them in a way that brings density and brings more of a walkable downtown area to the city. >> That kind of puts us like mixed use
because I remember when the um gentleman came and he gave us a beautiful um layout of what it could look like. So that's what you're >> and it's mixed use. Yeah, exactly. It's a mixed use zoning district. So if you you can have residential on the first floor. We had this whole discussion
actually um at the state of Michigan a few months ago. We're not saying that you can't live on the first floor if you want to or if you want a whole a whole apartment building and have all residential, you can. Um it was just allowing you to have commercial and residential above it, which right now is
not allowed in our zoning. >> It's flexibility. >> It's flex flexibility that's not there. Now, >> my next question is if you if a property owner chooses not to opt in, >> they have an option. I certainly have the option at a later date >> to opt in.
>> And it still owns that at that point you're going to go and apply for a zoning change. So that costs money and you have to do we have to do advertising in the newspaper. You have to come and have a hearing between the planning and zoning board and then between the city commission. So this is the best opportunity because we're doing a mass
resoning, right? It's not going to cost anything to anybody. So the the you know really if you're I would say that the most advantageous thing would be do it now and you're in there and it's done and it doesn't mean that you have to do anything with your house now because I mean I know like the Carters who live
down on Central Avenue at the corner of Park and and Central they it's a house they live there. We're not telling them that they can't live there. But if at some time in the future, 10 years from now, they want to sell that or develop a a small office building with apartments
above it. This will allow them to do that. >> Yeah. >> So, it it doesn't affect anybody right now, but it does affect the future what you want to do and and hopefully it'll also promote and attract some people that want to do some those projects because that's what we would like to have downtown. Right.
>> Can you think of any downsized any reasons a property owner wouldn't do it? >> No, not not that I know. I mean, we spent a lot of time. >> I I can't personally know after looking at it. Um I could see where I could see where uh some business owners may or may
not want to because of the allowance of certain u businesses or not or or actually I would say limitation certain certain types of businesses, but that's a personal preference. Homewise, I I couldn't see. I have had probably about five or six residents opt out at this
point in time already. >> But that's just because I mean even they told me I don't want government involved. You know, that's that's basically where they're at. So, if you opt out and you're currently zoned, say residential and you opt out that you
don't want your property go to commercial, >> is it still say does it still is it still then residential? >> Yes. >> Whatever whatever it currently is, it would stay there. >> But I don't know why anyone would do
that as the gentleman explained because if you opt in, as long as you don't make any changes, it's fine. your grand and what and what the city manager says about limiting your number of businesses. For instance, the central business instructor does not allow you to build a gas station or a drive-thru
or you know a restaurant with a drive-thru that we because we don't want that. It doesn't really fit the character of here, >> right? So, if you are commercial or you own commercial property, you might want to opt out because of that. Of course, we would love for you to become part of the central business district because we don't want those things down there.
doesn't really fit, but you could develop it. It has a current stand. Like I said, it's all general commercial, the whole city, not the all the commercial. >> So, let me ask you a question. If you're in that district and you have a residence >> and you want to put in a pool
and you opt in for commercial, does the standards of that pool have to be commercial or are we still on residential? >> You're still residential, >> right? >> See, I think a lot of people are going to look at that and go, "Wait a minute. If I want to expand my house, I want to put an addition on my house, want to do something like that, all of a sudden
we're going to be falling under commercial, >> which commercial sounds like this to most people, right? Expensive engineering, all that good stuff. >> Lots of fees, >> lots of fees. Your tax is through the roof. That's what that's a lot.
>> And that's what it is right now with the general commercial. The CV is central business and so it's really curtailed around the business. And if you have an existing home and all that, this allows more flexibility. You need to stay, do what you need to do, but the people coming in don't have to go by the same
rules of the general commercial, which really limits them because of setbacks and other things. So, >> it's it's no different than the house down there next to uh Bel Beach, right? When that was that was a house and then now it's commercial on the bottom and res. >> Correct.
>> Does it allow for food trucks? >> Yes, that's not limit. That is our zoning doesn't limit food trucks to certain zones. You just have to have a permit right >> if I'm speaking. Am I correct?
>> They have to have a business tax receipt and they have to be licensed through the state to get a business tax receipt from the city. >> Health certificate, license from the state, inspection from the state, all that stuff. >> They have to have permission from the owner, >> right? But zoning, but the zoning of the
property doesn't really affect that cuz most of the time you're going to have the food truck going to parking space. >> Um, >> it does have to be commercial. >> Okay. So, it does have to be commercial. Okay. >> The property that food truck is only have to be commercial. >> Yes. >> I mean, you're not allowed to park it in your front yard, right? You can't have a
a food truck on residential lot. >> But I can sell one day. Yes, >> we will not go after the kids selling >> so >> it also has to have a business on the commercial property. >> You can't have a food truck on a vacant piece of commercial
>> and we've stopped with that. >> Okay. So, who sets this up? So, if if if you switch it to commercial, then does the county then show it on their books. Leo show us on his as commercial.
>> It will be changed under the the county's a property appraiser website and the GIS. So yes. >> So when that property appraiser comes to appraise that property, he will praise appraise it then as commercial property, no longer residential property. Is that
correct? >> No, it'll be appraised at what it was before. The CB is more CBE versus general. It it is more of a set of rules than it is >> and it's for building new things. >> It's building new things, not the existing. So if you're residential,
you're going to be looked at as residential >> uncommercial residential. Right. >> Right. So you'll be looked at as commercial residential whatever it is before the area is going to change the use and for that mixed use for the people new people that are coming in
>> and for the opportunity for the vacant area. So, you don't need to opt out for that to happen. >> No, you don't have to. But if you don't want anything to do with it and you don't want to have the availability of if somebody else, correct me if I'm wrong, if she were to sell her property,
the next person, they would have to go through >> if they want to build >> if they want to build something that that that conforms to what the city is calling central business district, they would have to spend a lot of money. So, it may be to your advantage to go ahead and just go through with it because
that's a selling point when you sell. If you don't go through and you opt out, they may have to spend thousands of dollars to get their property resed to match what's in the area. >> But this is just hypothetical because she's not in the system. >> Yeah, I didn't think so. I thought she was outside. You're not in the central
business. I didn't think so. >> I thought we talked about that. >> So, if you if you >> I have a very close friend who's very upset about it. I just I just want to make sure I understand because I couldn't understand how you could change the zoning on something and not have it
affect the county's appraisal >> of that property. >> I think I think the way that that gets caught is that if you get a building permit, you're using it as residential. You're zoned commercial, but you have to go to the city to get the zoning
approval for a building permit first. >> Correct. And then so that's where the city is going to have to have something on that paperwork that says yes, it says commercial art if you use a commercial business district right >> for um uh on your paperwork it says that
it's a business district but the city looks at it as a residential property. Therefore, we're going to approve zoning wise for it to be residential. That's why the permit like the pool permit would be a residential permit or the the additional, you know, floor space or
whatever you wanted to do would be a residential permit as opposed to commercial permit >> cuz the county grants the permits but they ask they they actually fax or email marker of planning and zoning and ask if this is an allowable use. So those determinations are made by our planning
and zoning person. So it's not up to the county. the county asks us, we tell him yes, this will work or yes or no. So, it does go back to us. And typically, when you're going in for a permit, Mark would review your plans and and once approved, he writes a letter on on your behalf
that you would take then to the county and it's approved by, you know, planning and zoning. >> Yeah. They check the box. >> Correct. Right. >> Yeah. And if it if it's something that needs to go in front of the board, Mark would tell you, "Hey, this needs to go in front of the board." He would come, the person would be there, you make your
case, they vote, and then he would sign off on the letter, and you would take back and go get your permit with the county. >> I have no reason. I couldn't see why any property owner would quite frankly it to me, it's increases
the value of the property. >> Flexibility is everything. >> Yeah. May I ask why on that map? There's commercial down there and then there's a residential right in the middle of it >> just the way that it was zoned a long
time ago and all of that and that map is created off of the current property appraiser and in the counties the GIS. So that's >> So you're not you're not suggesting that would go commercial even though it's right in the middle. >> If it's in the middle, we're not
touching it. If it's zoned as whatever it's zoned for, if it's not inside the parameters of the >> No, this is inside. >> This is also just a proposal. We want I mean that's that's our plan sitting there looking and saying, "Okay, all this stuff that's
like >> I'm talking about this one right here. in the middle of all this block. It just you just have one there. >> Well, that's that's that's a specific property. That's a special property. That's the the anchorage, the house without um over the water.
>> That's the land property that it's on there. >> Yeah. That's attached to it. >> So, it actually doesn't have it doesn't have any land or it doesn't have an address cuz it's built on the water, but it has a walkway and a mailing address and a sliver of land that the person owns. And that's that that piece of
property right there. And that's single family SR1. >> So this is Manny's property. >> I believe so. Yes. Or is it >> Manny came to that meeting and they told him you have to opt out? >> They may have been incorrect when they told him he had to opt out, but
>> Oh, I see. >> Yeah. Yeah. And again, that map was put together. There'll be some final maps, but it's all off the GIS of what's out there. stuff cuz this city has a very interesting quirk about it that you have a lot of commercial properties that are residential or residential properties in
commercial districts >> places that like you know like yours >> look across the street right here >> right here across the street this is dealing with right now commercial sometimes residential my dad's house at 18 North Lake Street was a house we turned into an office then turned back
into a house now it's a house so but it was its future land use was commercial/residential which is not even a really a category that anybody else uses, but city does. So there's just just to to give you an example. So this building over here was owned by one
person and it used to be it's all commercial. Used to be shops and they connected it. The roof overhangs one building and goes to the other. Now you have two separate owners on the two different structures. The one owner here on the on the north
structure has a $50,000 grant ready to go from the state, but the counties hold him up because there was never a um a change of use for residential. However, he's been living in there and had electric and plumbing and it took us how
long to find the records from 10 years ago? It took us a month or so. I mean because there was a transition between the city having a building department and official to going to the county. Poor guys been waiting. We got the information. We found it. There was never a CO given, but there were
plumbing and electrical done for residential use. Patrick Kennedy wrote a letter saying you can use this for residential purposes, but it's so commercial. The the county sees it as commercial. They won't give him a permit for residential. and he's twiddling his
thumbs and and waiting. Those are the kind of problems that the CD1 also will totally help out any race. So, >> when do you uh think that it may change? >> Uh we're we're probably in the last stages before it comes to PNZ. So, I
would say probably within the next month or two at the at the at the latest. >> So, it probably will be before us P&Z uh in our next meeting. Uh, I'm I'm thinking it could be there. We've already had our workshop with the public. Um, and I could get with Mark
tomorrow and find out what his plan is and get back with you and let you know, but it's coming to P&Z real soon. >> Thank you. >> Yes, sir. >> Thanks for clarifying that. >> Yes, ma'am. >> I have a question since it was kind of
skewed into zoning. Um the you know the property that's at the end of Prospect Street, the South End, which was going to be the Glamping Campground. >> Yes. >> Okay. I saw that today. It's on the market for 2.5 million.
>> It's been on the market for >> Yeah. >> Yeah. My question is that's a very pristine piece of property. >> It's on the lake. It should attract some very
like you know very uh people that we want in the community. >> Correct. If somebody uh was telling me somebody was going to buy it and put homes on it and I would just be very disheartened to see someone come in there and say,
"Okay, we're going to put these 900 square foot homes on eighth of an acre lots." That that wouldn't do anything to improve our community. I I think it needs to be zoned at least half across. >> So
what what is the current zoning out there? >> It's a PD it's a it's PD. >> So what is PD minimum to put a house on? >> I'm not sure what the regulations are on on that per se. >> Each one is different. >> I'm sorry. >> Each one is different.
>> Yeah. Yeah. whatever it was set up. And I know that there if they were going to put single family homes um there would have to be um a tweaking of of that zoning and that paperwork that would have to come through the P&Z and and and site plan and everything, >> right?
>> I I was I was told and I brought it up in a meeting and it went out up in the internet that contractors and all this. I saw a contractor's name that was part of the Northeast Florida Builders Association that was working with a realtor that I know. um that has
businesses in Palaca and they contact me about it and uh they asked about it. So all I know is that there was an interested party of doing 35 homes on halfacre lots there to answer >> question that would be they were they were they they were also interested in
continuing the plan that was already in place from the previous owner on extending and doing a shopping area on the water with a small marina. So that's that's all but that's again all conversation. Nothing's etched in stone. There's no permits. There's no plans
that we've seen. There's nothing. These were just conversations that that uh were taking place between a couple individuals. So I think it would be beautiful to put some shops down to the bottom, some
apartments up stairs, restaurants in there. just that would be very very very nice. >> The RV the RV park that was supposed to go in there. I don't know if you saw those plans. It was really nice. That
was very very beautiful. >> Um I hope whoever goes in there does something that is is like that or better that can serve not just the people, you know, moving in there but the whole community. You know,
>> I've been to a lot of places that had the shops, the um apartments upstairs, you have restaurants and you know, activities just going on in there. Yeah. Be real nice. Yes. So,
>> and walk out on the water, right? >> Yeah. If someone does buy the property currently, the development agreement is still current. So, they could still take those old plans and develop them as they said, right? They're advertising it as that with the pictures and everything they have put together. So,
>> most likely someone might purchase it and do something different. But, >> um, it it's a beautiful piece of property >> and whatever someone does with it, it will hopefully add to our community. >> But, but to your point though about, you know, the demands about what goes on
certain pieces of property, you know, there is only a certain amount of flexibility that the city has as far as the planning and zoning board and the city commission. Um because in Florida we have things called propert private property rights. If you own the land, you have the right to do with it what you wish to a point as long as you're
not imposing on your neighbors too much. So um that's why Florida looks the way it does because there's only so much you can do to stop development at a certain time. Um I sit here and say yes, I wish it was a bit different. Um, but you know, we do have that's why we have zoning requirements because you can't
change something when developer then buys the property wants to do it. That's called spot zoning. And the Supreme Court has said no, you can't do that. >> So, you have to kind of lay the plans for everything beforehand is a growing reason we spent two years rewriting our land development code so that the kind
of development that comes over someone wants to build a house is least attractive and adds to our community. Right. So most they are you know you can only do so much to stop what a developer is going to do but the best part the best way to face that is to work with them and make
sure that we get as nice of a place as we can possible. So but I I understand I just want to go on by saying I don't think that glamping park is going to add anything to this community. Matter of
fact, it's going to decrease property values around it, including me, my property values, and and commissioner just said that if someone could buy to buy the property, all that permitting that had already been done
would go along with the sale of the property. So, that's going to happen. I I don't think that is good for our community at all. >> I agree with that. I I mean my personal opinion is I'd love to see houses
instead of, you know, but improvements are improvements, you know, but I'd like to see houses myself. I mean, you know, we we've had discussions with hospitals and trying to do standalone emergency rooms and all that. These executives, the first thing they are looking at is
how many people live here? And I understand and I saw some comments. I won't say they weren't too nice on Facebook and people that you know they want to keep it the way it is. I totally understand it. That's why I came here. I love what this city is. There's a way to
have proper sustainable growth without losing identity. And I think we need to keep focus on that. But if we want to have services that are needed, especially for our community, our older community, our more mature community
like hospitals, you're going to have to put roofs in the city. It's or it's not going to happen. Um, so I hope that people hear that. And I think, you know, I like what you said about we have to put roofs in the city because the trailer park over there is just
transient people. And what do they do? You know, on the weekends they come over, they drink, play loud music. I mean, what do you do in at a glamping park? >> Sure. You know, I understand why >> if they put houses in there, I mean,
halfacre houses, I mean, they're going to have to charge 300,000 for those houses. So, that's that's >> more >> or, you know, plus or more than that. So, what I'm saying that's that would add to a lot to >> I think would add I think the fee would
move more around five to 600,000. >> Well, that would be great. >> Million would be nice. >> Okay. Kind of off the topic here. >> Sorry. >> Okay. Hey, thank you for indulging me question.
>> Yes, sir. >> Okay, we're going to move on to public comments. Any public comments? >> Wake everybody up back. >> Okay, we're going to move on to staff comments, member comments. If there's any
>> I make a motion we >> Well, can I get this? >> I have one one comment if I may. So, I I um I'm not want to have any any more cancelled meetings. It's important that we meet. Um, if you all have anything at
all, um, prior to the leadup of a meeting, I know I've worked with Dan, we've had correspondence on email, I've worked with you, please send it to me. I will put briefings together. I will investigate. I will add to make some good meat and teeth to the meeting um,
and do what I can do to help out because I really think it's important of what this body does and the work that we have to do. So, please just anything at all at any time. It doesn't even have to be the week before like our deadline. You could think of something tomorrow and
email me tomorrow. I'll make sure it's on the next agenda. Okay, >> that's all I got to say. Thank you very much. >> It will be April 2016. >> The 16th. >> I will not be here for the next meeting.
I'll be in Ireland. Took me almost 60 years to get there. >> Need a second. >> No, I haven't. >> Well, we are officially. >> Thank you.
Thank you. Appreciate it. It's lovely. It is lovely. anything before Oh yes, absolutely. Thank you for everything you do. Thank you. >> I'm extending you
>> more responsibilities.