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Good evening everyone and welcome to the city of Crescent City's um monthly commission meeting. We welcome everyone here tonight. The [clears throat] time is right at 6 p.m.

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The date is July 9th, 2026. With this, I'm going to ask Commissioner Moore if you would please lead us an invitation. Everyone, please stand if you are able. Let's bow our heads.

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Dear heavenly father, we want to thank you for our rising on today. We want to thank you for our gathering on this afternoon. We also want to thank you for how you would have given us grace and mercy and allowed us to wake up to a brand new day. One that we've never seen before. We won't see again. We give you

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the honor and the praise for that. And Father God, we ask that you be with us this evening. Help us to do those things that we pleasing in your sight. Lord, bless every heart, every soul, and every mind that is present on tonight. And even those that are not able to be here, we ask you to give them grace and mercy

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also. And Father God, continue to give us knowledge and understanding to be able to do thy perfect will. And all these blessings we do ask in that son Jesus name. Amen. >> Amen. >> And the [clears throat] pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation liberty andice for all. >> Thank you. May you be seated. Madam clerk, could you do a roll call for please? >> Commissioner Linda.

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>> I'm sorry. Present. [clears throat] >> Vice Mayor William Lorie >> present. >> Commissioner Linda Moore here. >> Commissioner Cynthia Burton >> here.

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>> Mayor Michelle Myers present. >> Um, city manager Jerry Martin >> here. >> Assistant city manager city attorney Donald Holmes >> here. Major user of Putnham County Sheriff's Department here. Hiding.

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>> Okay. Sorry. [laughter] Finance Director Steve Conlin >> here. >> I know here. [laughter] >> All right. And myself, City Clerk Sharita Belure. And we do have a quum.

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>> Okay. Thank you, clerk. With that, I've asked our um city commission if they would um allow us to change the agenda around. Many of you have been here um a lot of the afternoon and we just thank everyone for being here tonight because

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we're going to start this meeting off by honoring Larry Court. Larry, and if you want if you would just come up here for for at the podium for us, please. Um, as many of you know, you haven't if you haven't noticed, they did close down the

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Wind Dixie. >> And when they closed down the Wind Dixie, um, one of the heartbreaks that we had was that we lost Larry to another community, but it's wonderful for that community.

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many of you did not have an opportunity to share with him how much you appreciate him and thank him and give him good wishes. So that's why tonight we did this. Um Larry has been part of this community. We've had so many

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incredible words tonight. I could never even try to match those with what people the heartfelt sentiment that has been shared this evening about what they see in Larry felt in Larry and the loss

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that this community has had with Larry leaving us. Every time you're in a community, you always want to make sure that you leave your thumbrint. Larry left his handprint on this

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community. And you know, I have to say, said this often, but if he actually lived in Crescent City, Larry would be the mayor. [laughter] Um, hands down, nobody could run against him. He would be the mayor. I've shared a lot with Larry through the years.

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Larry has been extremely supportive of me. I know he has been extremely supportive of this entire commission. And that's why the commission felt it necessary tonight that we have the reception and that we honor him. >> We have a lot in common. I'm married to

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a ger >> store manager. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I've been together we 39 years and a store manager. And what they community doesn't know is the sacrifices

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that they make with their family in order to serve each and every one of you. They're not here for holidays. They work late hours. When they are home, they can be very tired. I'm sure Larry's never grumpy, but sometimes they can

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even get a little grumpy. [clears throat] They're being pulled on in all directions, but they do it with a smile and with customer service beyond none. And Larry, we just commend you. We thank

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you for the sacrifices you've made for this community. and for your family. We know Francine um as much as she uh spends time away too that she values that special time that

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y'all have together. So, with that, I'm going to read a proclamation. Um, the city of Crescent City, Florida, proclamation 20265, honoring Larry Court for his dedicated

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service to Crescent City and the entire South Putham community. And whereas the city commission of the city of Crescent City is honored to recognize Larry Cords for his outstanding service, unwavering

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dedication, and genuine compassion shown to the citizens of Crescent City during his tenure as store manager of Wind Dixie from 2014 through its closing on May 31st, 2026. And whereas throughout his years of

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service, Larry transformed what could have been just another grocery store into a true gathering place where neighbors were welcomed as friends and customers were treated like family. I'm going to get through this. And

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whereas Larry possessed the remarkable ability to know customers by name, to greet each person with a warm smile, and make everyone who entered the store feel [clears throat] valued, respected, and appreciated, creating the small town

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atmosphere that defines the heart of Crescent City. And whereas Larry consistently demonstrated extraordinary generosity by supporting local schools, churches, civic organizations, charitable causes, and community of

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community community events whenever help was needed, always giving back without hesitation. And whereas through his leadership, Larry provided employment opportunities for countless young people in our community, mentoring them not only in

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the responsibilities of the workplace, but also in the values of accountability, respect, integrity, and service that would guide them into adulthood. And whereas Larry's kindness, his

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humility, his work ethic, and sincere concern for others earned him the admiration and affection of an entire community. And with many citizens expressing that, he represented the very best of Crescent City and South Putham.

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And he embodied the spirit of neighborh. And whereas although the present city when Dixie closed on May 31st, 2026 as part of its conversion to Aldi, Larry's impact on this community will endure far beyond the closing of the store, leaving

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behind friendships, memories, and a legacy of service that cannot be measured. And whereas while le Larry has accepted the opportunity to continue serving Wind Dixie and other communities, the city of Crescent City hopes he finds time to

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enjoy well-earned moments with family and friends, days on the water, and this new chapter of life, even as he continues sharing his infectious smile, generous heart, and exceptional leadership with others. Now therefore,

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be it proclaimed that the city commission of the city of Crescent City, Florida, does hereby express its deepest gratitude and appreciation to Larry Court for his years of faithful service, his commitment to our citizens, and the lasting difference he has made in the

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lives of so many. The city commission further recognizes that while Larry may no longer serve the Crescent City when Dixie, he will forever remain a cherished member of the Crescent City family. It has often been said throughout our community that if Larry had lived within

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the city limits, whether he wanted it or not, he would have been elected mayor without opposition. Not because he sought the position, but because he earned the trust, respect, and affection of the people through simple acts of kindness, servant leadership, and

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genuine care for others. The city of Crescent City wholeheartedly thanks Larry not just for his service to our community but for for being the wonderful man that he is and congratulates Larry on this next chapter and wishes him continued success,

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happiness, good health and many blessings in the years ahead. Thank you Larry. >> Thank you very much. [applause] just that the community reached out and they

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wanted to provide you [clears throat] with a little something something for you and Francine to enjoy yourself. You can go fishing. You can go to those restaurants. We know you like to eat out. [laughter]

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>> You can go buy gave it away. But there's your proclamation. And then also, we want to give you the key to the city of Crescent City. >> And Larry, we just thank you. We cherish you. And um I don't know if you want to

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say a couple words. I'm sure our commissioners would like to say a few things. >> Let them go first. >> Would anybody like to say anything? Any of our commissioners? >> Yes. Um, I know Larry probably don't know me

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by name, but every time I went to this, so he's always speaking to me and so with my family also always want to know if you can help us find something. But I'm very familiar with u the work that you do because I am a retired educator and I know what you do for the schools

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and for our children and we have kids still in the school system. We know what you have done for them and in the past and it it would never be forgotten. So, I want you to go. May God bless you. May he keep you in his care and then you do whatever you need to do to enjoy your

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life. God bless you. >> Thank you very much. >> I would just like to say that um Larry, you have been a part of this community for quite a while and as a Rotarian I would say thank you on behalf of the Rotary Club across the city. Um without Windixie and you uh I don't think we'd

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have a catfish festival, but we certainly wouldn't have a a successful one. So um we really do appreciate everything working with us all the time and getting us stuff um at at low cost and letting us bring stuff back after the festival's over. I mean, it really did help make that happen every year. I

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don't know what we're going to do without you here, but um we appreciate you. I >> I'm working on that. >> Okay. [laughter] I'm sure like to give up too. So we we do appreciate both very much. Thank you.

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>> Yes. Well, Larry, um what can I say? Also, as a Rotarian, I know how much you've meant to um the civic organizations in Crescent City. So many things that have happened here. Um, Wendixia has just been a strong right

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arm for this community and um, I will never forget your always cheerful demeanor, your grace under [clears throat] your constant daily pressure. Um, it was uplifting just to go into the store and hear you saying hello to people. Even if I didn't run

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into you that day, I could hear your voice. Um, so all the things that have been said, um, wishing you much success. Thank you for taking time out to come back here today and um and be with us. [clears throat] Thank you so much. Good

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luck. Thank you, >> dear. What do I say? It it really does feel like my home, Crescent City. Well, gave me a gave me a moment to You were with me when I lost my beloved wife

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and you were with me when I found another beautiful wife. This community, the things we've done, you're honoring me, but I really truly in my heart honor you. You're constantly in my prayers.

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I I come by here and I I must admit I can't drive by my new school. [clears throat] Yes. But the people that came in there, the children that I seen grow up, the people, you know, that we lost along the way,

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um you know, helping the officers out, seeing them come in, they're like running and you know, they work their tails off and all of a sudden I walk up and look at what are you doing with that lunch? I'm buying my lunch. my story, you don't buy a lunch, you get a lunch from us and and just working

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with with everybody here in the community. Um, I can't tell you how much how blessed I've been to be here in this community. I love you guys. I love this community. >> I don't think I'd be the mayor. I don't think I could do that job. [laughter] But I will but I will but I will say

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this much. I see the people that that that take care of this community and see how this community thrives and all you people out there help John Carol and Angel and Kimberly and Maryanne and all these people I know you know you know

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I'll be we'll we'll be in fact we'll be here this week my niece is visiting from California free bananas for their wings [laughter] and walked in the door and the thing I'm looking said did you bring any wings with you for gosh sake away. So, but but I really do I do love

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you all. I really truly mean that. And I'm not saying that just to say that. I'm saying that sincerely. And I will tell you that at every the advantage of coming to Crescent City was I had one hour a day where I was uninterrupted and I got to start spend with my Lord and

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Maker in my car and and I and I prayed for the people that that were, you know, that were when Summer Delaney was in the car accident wearing a halo and for the people that we lost in in our store and people we lost in our community. And you

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know that that's hard to believe, but we all know that we're always together and that we all as as a group just really can thrive as a as a group and one day we'll meet again. And that's what I like most. It's really nice having city manager. He's a really

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great guy. You you still doing okay? My people get too much time off too much damage. [laughter] But but everybody in here, you know how much I love you. You know how much I I've seen things go and and that. So,

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thank you very much. I am so honored and so blessed. Uh my wife would have been here, but she is uh taking her niece who's visiting from California around the 24 year old niece that we have and her girlfriend that are around and she

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I know you but she she also said thank you very much. So I would like Robert >> you get a picture here with everybody and honestly with I'll put this right down. So Francine when she gets home tonight you can run

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the reel because it's being recorded >> over and over and over again. [laughter] So every time she you know you tell her just look how everybody appreciates me. >> My wife everybody y'all want to come around here and let's get our picture.

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I can go back there. We can go back there. >> I'll leave [clears throat] it. Thank you. And mayor, I would like to [clears throat] remind Larry of one thing. A lot of Jacksonville folks have

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places in Crescent City and we do have property for sale. >> I will turn them I will turn. You know, my wife and I are looking at properties up here, too. >> Well, good. >> We want to get some tiny houses going. So, we're gonna see what we got going. >> Thank you very much.

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You got that smile. [laughter] [laughter] >> Thank you. Okay, with that, they may see my glasses. Oh, there they are. [laughter] Let's go into our announcements if we've

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got quite a few announcements. Um, first off, a very exciting thing happened today. Uh, we did a ribbon [snorts] cutting. If you haven't seen it, I believe it's on Facebook, but of the new elementary school, and they're

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going to have, I believe, an open house on the 16th, the evening of the 16th. It is unbelievable. and what our children um the experiences they're going to have there are just I I

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can only imagine that first day when they walk in and see what they get to, you know, and so that was such a great day today to um to be there and with the ribbon cutting with everyone and they

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tooured the we tooured the school and it is just state-ofthe-art is beautiful. I tried to get a job in the lunch [laughter] for washing the dishes. Um, so starting out, we've got the Purple Plum Playhouse is back at it. And on Friday, August

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7th, and Saturday, August 8th, they've got two performances. It's Comedy Night Live. A Midsummer Night skiing is what they're doing. It's going to be at the Crescent City Moose Lodge. Admission's $30 and includes delicious three course meal of breast of chicken

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parmesan or baked ziti. You can tickets will be sold in advance through August 6. So, and then we've got the woman's club has got of course a lot going on. They've got their Christmas in July sale

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which will start tomorrow at 8 am and also Saturday at 8 am till 4. food and drink will be available for purchase. They said come shop early and get ready for the holidays. We've got our back to school the um

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women's civic organization and the concerned citizens. They do a back to school giveaway and it's going to be Saturday, August 8th, 2026. They're doing free community services. They're doing haircuts um and hairstyles,

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vaccinations. They have a clothing drive. There'll be lunch served. They're giving out backpacks and school supplies. That's always a a big event, a big event for them. Last year, if you remember, commission, we supported that.

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Trying to get through. I told you we had a lot going on for summer month. Okay. Bingo. Preston City Women's Club has got bingo. Friday, July 17th. Next Friday, $20 dinner and bingo. The doors open at

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5:00. Bingo starts at 5:45. Don't be late. Um, jack jackpot payout is $50. Tickets are available at the door and you must be 18 years or older to play. They've got their bunko. This seems to be a big hit and continues. So, Bunko is

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going to be Wednesday, July 15th. Um, from 1 to 3:00 and it's $6. Snacks and drinks will be a available for a minimal charge. And I'm trying to think Sharita. Do we have anything else? Oh, we've got um as

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many of you, if you remember the last meeting, if you were here or you watched the firewatch, we had a presentation on fire the firewatch. So that's on um prevention for helping a community community involvement with helping with

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suicide prevention. >> [snorts] >> So, we're going to have we've set up three opportunities. There will be one July 23rd at 11:00 a.m. It'll be here in the chambers. There's going to be one July 23rd at 6 PM if you can't make the

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daytime. And then one that Saturday, which is July 25th at 10:00 a.m. Takes less than 45 minutes to complete the training. The veterans [laughter] specifically die by suicide at twice the rate of those who have not served in the military. and it helps veterans get

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connected with VA health care, mental health care assistance with util utilities and so much more. But this is an opportunity um for suicide awareness and so please if you can sign up for that and and attend that. Commissioners,

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do you have any um anything that you any announcement that you have? I think I covered something. Okay. Thank you. [clears throat] Okay. Then then with that, we're going to go ahead and we're going to open it up to public comments. So, at this time,

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yes, I'm sorry. >> At this time, we're opening up for public comments. If you have any public comments, please come forward, state your name and your address if you will. These will be comments on any item that is not on the agenda that you feel you

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need to bring to our attention. Okay, nobody has anything with that then I'm going to close public comment. Thank you all very much. Our presentation. So with that I think um Commissioner Devito, do you want to introduce this? We have the presentation

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by the um North Florida Land Trust. Um certainly um the Northport Land Trust is a 501c3 that focuses on land acquisition and conservation easements in a seven county

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area including Tutman County. The CEO is the well-known uh statewide judge and civic leader Allison Defor. Um, recently there have been some significant conservation easements

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closed in our area of Putham County. Um and Miss Kim Hall um who is with um acquisitions and opportunities with the North Florida Land Trust is a native of South Putham. Um is here today to

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explain to us about the organization. Um activities that have gone on in our area that are significant for our area and um just things that we should probably know and opportunities we might have. So with that, Miss Kim Hall. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, Lisa. Kimberly Hall and Affordable Land Trust. Thank you, Madame Mayor and Commissioners, for this opportunity to introduce myself and our work that we do that is so important to me. Um, what do the aquafer, wild

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places, agriculture, freshwater marshes, and aircraft carriers have in common? Hen County. Um all of those pictures are from Putnham County except of course for the aircraft carrier which was we were somewhere 200 miles off the coast. Um

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but all of those are local pictures and if um some of you recognize me it's probably because I pulled a barge once or twice a year for the fireworks which is my distinct privilege and I'm I'm glad to be a part of it.

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Next um so who am I just I'm a 46 year resident of Putham County. I've been to the Crescent City Elementary School. George C. Miller Middle School and a 1992 graduate of Crescent City High School. I worked with uh St. John's River Water Management for 15 years and

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now have been with uh North Florida Land Trust for the last five years. So, um not only is this my job, but it is also my lifestyle in this distinct place that we find ourselves. Next, North Florida Land Trust is a Florida

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nonprofit founded in 1999 and our mission is to preserve and enhance the quality of life by perfecting by protecting uh Florida's irreplaceable and natural environment. And uh we feel more connected and have a stronger appreciation for our unique and native

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environments when we when we uh find it preserved. Next, what do we need to live? We need clean air, clean water, domestic food and fiber production or forestry, um storm and water protection and wildlife

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habitat place for the animals to gather. What do we appreciate about uh about the benefits of open space? We live in everybody else's vacation destination. We appreciate recreational uh opportunities. We

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appreciate national security mission military mission readiness and we really appreciate amenity and property values when they are sustained and maintained because conservation is a part of the equation. Next, zooming out just a little. Um, [cough]

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we all love our community for different reasons, which I suspect have similar similarities in in in character. Um, uh, by the character of our location, the open spaces, you might have roamed, hunted, snuck a beer, snuck a kiss in the woods. I didn't do that much.

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[laughter] Um, open space provides all of these and more. Um, we we live where other people vacation. We our our home is basically the Disney world of the outdoors. Next,

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um how do we do this? Well, North Florida Land Trust, one of the many things we do, we partner on major projects, which is putting together big corridors, um setting goals, putting together together 30 uh 25 to 30 partners, and we all have a shared goal

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of making making these things come together. In 2023, we attracted 400 million to this particular corridor, which includes Putnham County. um with these partnerships. [clears throat] What specifically has North Florida Land

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Trust done in its time? Um since 99, we've protected um 126,000 acres. um in general whether that's facilitated, arranged, owned, conservation easement, and you'll see some of the coastal ones.

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You know, we we try not to leave too many orphans out there, but where we've been motivated to not leave an orphan, we've taken them on. Next, what is our what is in our toolbox? We buy land. We facilitate uh transactions.

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That's our largest line share of what we do. We um accept land donations. We had a 700 acre land donation several years ago um between Pomona Park and Waka, the commander property. Um and that happened to be a conservation easement which is

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probably one of the most popular tools um in our in our toolbox. Next, um, zooming in [snorts] a little further, you can [clears throat] see on your left, um, a picture of PM County with all of the or the majority of the

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protected lands highlighted. Um, the star is Crescent City. The arrow is pointing to the last conservation easement that closed in this county. It was called the Hopmeister Eastment. It was 518 acres, and that family was looking to preserve their legacy and the

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future generations lifestyle. Those properties in the pink are properties that Putinham that North Florida Land Trust had a hand in and that's the tune of about 8,000 acres in this county. Um, of which we only own or manage 2,000.

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Next, going back to this tool, this is the most misunderstood tool in our tool belt. What is a conservation easement? The gentleman and child on the tractor and these are all local people. um they are third and fourth generation farmers.

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Um and conservation easement is buying the development rights of a property. So let's say this this father wants to put a conservation easement on his thousand acre farm. He can reserve one additional house,

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however he negotiates it, for his uh son and their future family. And they can keep their cows, keep their trees, build two houses, and sell the rest of those development rights. And they get the quiet use of enjoyment of their property and

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and uh and continue farming forever. Next, um how do we how do we pick these? Which ones do we pick? So that's Crescent that's Crescent Lake in Fair Island. Uh the picture to the right is um a little

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inland pond which is perfect for breeding frogs. Uh herptologists dream come true. That's a closer look at the Hoffmeister [clears throat] property and they will continue to own that property um privately. It's not publicly owned. We just have an agreement with them that

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they will um develop it. Next, um, also in our preservation priority areas are at the Springs, the Aqua for the recharge. Um, again, more pictures here from Putnham County. Um, but what's primarily in Putham County is your

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springs, Aqua for Recharge, working lands, um, some community conservation and and, uh, the military. Next, [clears throat] what's unique about South Pan and the military? That yellow hatched area is a

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part of the Pine Castle Range Complex. Everybody is familiar with the Air Force or the Navy that flies over. Um that is nationally and internationally used for practicing. It is the only range in the um

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in the eastern United States that maintains live farming. And what's unique about Putnham County is through our rural nature, we protect their airspace and their ability to get to target um without dropping accidentally

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inert bombs on homes. Um but uh Pontam County protects the airspace and the training grounds due to its natural and rural space in support of mission readiness. Next, another thing we do is we come together with local communities and we help them

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with local referenda. Um, our most notable uh last one that we worked on was Klay County. We put that on a major that was a presidential ballot and their their constituency voted for $45 million referendum. So, so many tools in the tool in the

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[clears throat] tool belt. >> [cough] >> Um, other things we've done in the past is we've worked um with a small movie production called the ODO, the path to connection. These QR codes take you to each of those places. Um, great movie

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about what our our little portion of the OD to O is. Um, [clears throat] we also put out uh literature materials, conservation you can hold, and then we also maintain a public site, a dashboard

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that keeps up with um the progress that we're making in the community. >> Can you explain to people what the ODO is? >> Yes, I'm sorry. The O2O is the Oyola to Ocala um corridor and that corridor stretches

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all the way from Georgia down past um to the Ocala National Forest. And the idea in protecting that corridor is so that um bears, wildlife can get from one end to the other and have a place to be.

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[clears throat] So, I mean, there's there's immense amount of pressure on the wildlife and protecting a corridor where you have healthy deer populations and they're less segmented. >> Thank you.

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Um, and that's all I have. I know I needed to be quick. That's a lot of information, but it has been such a pleasure and I can only hope, Larry, that I I I will have the distinct honor of leaving half of the [clears throat]

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footprint on my community for what I get to do in my job and my lifestyle as you have in ours. So, thank you. >> Thank you very much. The research conservation >> I'm sorry. Thank you for sharing with us this success that you've had here in

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South. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. We have a few under contract that I can't talk about, but you'll be you'll be hearing about and I've left some materials for you for you guys to pick up. >> Thank you for bringing us up to speed on that. And and always she never takes credit. She always comes in off the

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water after the fireworks and wow she I'm like it wouldn't have happened if you hadn't pulled that barge out. [laughter] It's the second trip. It's the scary one. The sad or it's fire. [laughter] >> But thank you. Thank you for being here

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tonight. Thank you for all you're doing. >> Okay, Derek, can I turn that over to you? Right now, we've got a presentation the IT solutions. >> Yes. So, if I can have you come up, sir. Appreciate that. We're going to talk to the owner of Obsa tonight. He's going to do a presentation on IT solutions. I'm

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looking for a note to move this forward for contact. >> Thank you, Derek. Yes, sir. >> Uh, mayor, uh, committee and residents of Crescent City. My name is Rich Craraven. I'm CEO of OBSA. We're a technology company actually located here

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in Putham County. Our office, our headquarters is in blocket. Uh we have several well probably roughly 30 businesses here in Putnham that we provide services to as well as the town of Balaka which kind of is the journey

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that I went on to find myself here. So I came in really with the goal of originally talking to the town about your voice systems and I think we had a pretty darn good proposal but found out that the contract's still ongoing for about a year. So we weren't able to

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actually bid on that work. However, along the way as part of the discovery, we found a couple of opportunities that we think would be beneficial to the town. Prepared at one point two 8 to 10 page decks which I think was

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were circulated to uh the committee committee women. Um and I was asked to prepare just the two pages so that we could kind of move through this quickly, but I'm prepared to answer any questions you may have on those things. Um, two things we looked at. The first

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is just this room. Um, you know, it's it works, but does it work as well as it could for the town? We don't know. So, we went through and did a a full discovery and inspection of this room and came up with a proposal to upgrade

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the council chambers. uh putting in two 75 inch TVs which would be mounted from the ceiling that would be pointing towards the audience so that they would actually you know see the presentation a little bit better and then 265s that would actually be

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available for people on the day to be able to see the same presentations as well. Um, we were looking to improve the AV by bringing in a mixer board, removing these mics so that they were had better pickup on them and then

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having a PC that would actually pull all of it together and be able to manage it professionally and also have it displayed, you know, out onto the internet so residents that can't make the meeting see everything [clears throat] clearly. So, that's the plan. Uh we looked at it from a cost

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perspective of either buying the equipment or putting it on a lease. We came back with a proposal to put it on a 63-month lease with a dollar buyout, meaning we could buy the equipment at the end of that for a dollar. And it comes out to $210 a month. And that's

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all the equipment. And that's also support from our team for anything that may go along the uh the help and the assistance with the setup and the training that would have to take place in the equipment. So, that's that's part one of this. Part two was your managed IT. Now, you

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currently have a provider that you're almost paying $3,600 a month, too. And that $3,600 a month who gives you IT support, PC's not working, you forgot your password. Um, internet's running slow, that sort of service.

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What you're not getting from that and which they put out a second proposal for $2,300 a month to you for was cyber security. So right now the town has no security protection beyond just Microsoft

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anti virus that comes with the 365. So that's a big gap, a major hurdle. So what we went back is we looked at it as a whole and we were able to put together a 247 IT service with our techs that are located here

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locally, right? That are already CJIS certified because of our work with town uh and come in even less about $150 a month less including [clears throat] the cyber security and the dark web monitoring. [clears throat] So we we

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think that's a compelling proposal since we're about 20 $400 cheaper than if you just went ahead and put that over the post last year. All together, it's 36.37 a month. So, it's just a little up charge because of the uh the AV equipment, but most of

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that is recouped through the savings on the So, that's the quick explanation of it. [laughter] Um, and is there anything in particular or any questions that you may have? >> Commission, does anyone have any questions? [clears throat]

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I I just have a few comments I guess. Um what I'm so glad that you're here. Um this has been something that has concerned me laying up at night sometimes. I found some of the train a lot of the training that is required for cyber security with the with the state

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laws and it's scary what can happen in a matter of minutes. That's why we were looking to enhance with our last IT provider but we weren't satisfied with our our options. So, um, and also the one thing that I hear the most from

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people, um, and residents is they can't hear us on the the feed, which, um, I can understand that we're dealing with 1960s, uh, microphones here. Mine's a little newer, but that's that's it. So, [clears throat] um, I've looked through

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all of this, and this is a great deal for the city because we were looking at having to spend a whole lot more than this. And not only that, but this is required by state law for us to follow the NIST, the NIST cyber security framework. Um, which is what I've been

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trying to get us up to. So, I'm I'm glad you're here and I'm hopefully we can prove this tonight so we can get it in place. >> And I would say one one additional thing that we're local and we like to treat our customers, you know, as local,

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right? So, as friends, neighbors. Um what we would do and we still do with down locket today is we sit down with them quarterly. We go through everything that we've been doing for them. But we also get an agenda set ahead of time. So if there are things that interest you

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that are information technology um questions you may have or concerns and a good example AI in city government, right? we can prep, get ready and come and give you a report on that and walk you through maybe how the benefits of [clears throat] AI would

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would improve the town's guidance. I I will also add that I talked to and they're very happy with their work, a good recommendation from Washington. >> Oh, thank you, Mayor. Um, hi. Thank you

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for being here. Um certainly you're uh very articulate when you speak and as someone who's um not a tech person, I felt like I had a reasonable understanding of your printed materials and your explanation. So that is very

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much appreciated. Um I don't think we have an actual contract in front of us. I think we we just have a summary of what the services would be. Is that correct, Mr. Martin? >> That's correct. >> Okay. So I I do have a few questions because um I've met you [clears throat]

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for your company before. Um how long has your company been in business? Did you say that? [groaning] >> Our company has been in business two and a half years. Okay. >> But folks in our company that are actually the technicians have been in their roles for 10 years plus just with

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other firms. I myself have been in technology for 40 plus years. tendency to admit that by working with big companies like Oracle and and AT&T. >> Okay. So, um just one minor question.

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This doesn't and I have a couple more about actually the contract terms. Sure. You mentioned putting video screens on DIS. So, as opposed to um uh broadcasting it to the wall. So, we

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would have video screens up here. >> No, ma'am. I'm sorry that I misspoke. We would have two 75 in screens which would be facing audio >> the audience. Okay. >> And two 65 in screens facing council. They'll be mounted up on the ceiling.

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>> Okay. Facing >> Yes, ma'am. >> facing the dice. Okay. So, um there we'll be able to see the people in the audience and people. >> Correct. Yes. Correct. >> Okay. I just maybe I didn't hear that correctly. Um, so you mentioned a 63

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month lease for the equipment. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, in that 63 months, if something goes wrong, um, if something breaks, who is responsible for it? >> Um, there's warranties on the equipment.

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Um, [laughter] the, uh, equipment that we'd be getting through a a distributor is definitely supported. some of the smaller components, cables, that sort of thing would not be obviously we have to replace those.

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>> Okay. And um I don't know really some of these details. So has question for Mr. Martin. >> Um when is our current IT contract up? >> I believe the last time I looked at the contract it's either a 30 or 60-day

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notice that we have to give them, but we are monthtomonth at this point. >> Okay. So we're monthtomonth and so we have this opportunity. >> Yes. Um, we don't have a contract in front of us. Does Mr. Holmes have a contract yet? >> He He does not. Not. >> So,

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so in terms of um whatever position we're in, that question for Mr. Holmes, should we be approving the final contract before it goes into effect? >> No. >> You obviously can't approve the contract

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because you haven't got one. you could uh indicate your uh desire in concept to move forward with this plan and then ask that a contract be brought back for your consideration. >> That's kind of what I'm asking because we don't have the details and we

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obviously want to make sure I don't want to sit here and ask questions forever. We just want to make sure that Mr. Martin and you feel that the terms of the contract meet the proposal and that you [snorts] know we feel comfortable with the cost and all that. Okay. So

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just approve it in in concept and >> then the contract would come back. >> I I will just say in general ma'am that we we're not here to put people in handcuffs. So >> the proposal [clears throat] that the discussion we had would be a one-year contract not a typical threeyear that we

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sign with our commercial clients. um you would have an opportunity to not term for for convenience, be able to term for a cause. So if there was something we were not solving or we weren't meeting uh standards that we had set in the

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contract for response times and things like that, uh we get 30 days to cure, but uh beyond that um you would be able to terminate and there' be no penalties, >> right? And I um fully trust Mr. Holmes to look out for everything that we need in that regard.

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Yes. >> Um, so the contract [clears throat] we're going month to month current contract, >> right? And you don't know, we have to give a 30-day or 60 days. >> It's either 30 or 60 days notice. Correct. >> So within 30 days or 60 days um once

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that contract is done, how quickly can you put this in? >> Well, the AB is separate. That's that's a lease document that you signed. The minute you sign that, we'll go ahead and order the equipment. typically two to three weeks to get it installed.

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[clears throat] We were going to um to leverage um city maintenance help to be able to make sure we get the installs correctly in the ceiling, right? But all the wiring and the the technical stuff we'll take care of. >> Um the uh IT stuff is pretty much stood

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up within the day. is kind of like >> um [clears throat] but so will you be working at the same time that we have both contracts kind of going is that the idea I mean >> they were you got to get rid of one and then start yours >> we have to do a transition and we did

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that with Panama as well the same company was there um just have to make the announcement there is [clears throat] a period of time you said that they may want to move off quicker depending where they're on the building cycle but uh we would come in we run what's called a network

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assessment. So, put an agent crawl through your network will tell us every device that you have that's connected, status of those devices, the health, you know, maybe the mayor's um, you know, disc is 90% full. That's why she's running slow. So, we can make recommendations.

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>> You'd be amazed what we'll find too with with city officials information on the dark web >> passwords. If you haven't had cyber security running at all, >> uh you may actually I think we found that in other places. Um that's typically one of the things we find when

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we pick up after other companies that aren't offering that service. So we'll do that in the interim time during there there is a time frame to which they have to be connected. [clears throat] there's a data transfer from the cloud to their cloud of our information. That's going to take at

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least I mean and I was I believe 30 to 45 days total as far as close out of everything somewhere around there. >> Yeah. >> Um I'll find out in the contract with Mr. Holmes how long and what type of letter we need to send them if this is something y'all want to move forward with. I think one of the the highlights

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that I had especially for the AV room if that's a decision you all want to move forward with is that right now currently when we have a presenter just like tonight the the people our residents out there that are watching can't see the presentation. This new technology will allow them to see the presentation and

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the presenter at the same time. Um that's one thing that's that's very important as far as our new technology that we're gathering the minutes and uh and such. We're listening analog through analog speakers. This is going to update all of our microphone systems to pure digital and it's going to be able to

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capture it, make it much easier for our our clerk as she's doing the dictation and finalization of our minutes. So, I'm looking forward to moving this process. >> Mentioned, thank you, which is that um well, one of the features too that's coming with the PC that'll be controlling this is the ability to

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transcribe. >> So, the meeting minutes will actually be transcribed. Is it going to be on AI? Is that what I mean? Is the transcriber going to kind of do that for her or >> Yes, it'll be it'll be taking the the

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voice and will be transcribing it into Commissioner. >> I have I just have a few questions. Um, Commissioner Devito hit on one that when this lease when this time period is up [clears throat] and we have the dollar charge

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um making sure that the equipment's not obsolete and also is there an opportunity for an extended warranty on any of that to protect us. So I'd like us to look into that too. So for any of this >> I would say from from my research that

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the your your digital board is the most intricate expensive piece and correct me if I'm wrong. The others are more or less just like LCD or LED TVs. Um so that's going to be your least amount of cost. Um the work to put them in is going to be tough in the beginning just

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because it's a tall ceiling. But um the other pieces we can take a look at that. I'd like to look at that for warranties and if we have to pay for extra for a warranty I would like to do that. The other um when you said we have we're going to have facing us two 65 inch

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screens. 65 inch is a large screen. Do we need two facing us? Do commissioners do we do we feel like I mean if you have one front and the center that you know >> we did a measurement in the room m and and

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two is going to be optimal. If you had one it wouldn't get it done. I'm depending on it. >> Okay. >> Um, and then the other question I have is, and this was always with the with the current company that we're working

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with, was the licensing. Um, and they've always told us that we own the licensing. Do we in fact own the licensing >> for the firewalls? >> I will I will defer that to you, sir, on the licensing. >> Firewall. We're talking about Microsoft. >> Yes. Microsoft. Yes.

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>> Microsoft and firewall. >> Both Microsoft and the firewall. I believe the firewall is a Colorado firewall. Yes, we do own that. That's not something that we have. We support it. >> Okay. >> Um but yeah, the licensing right now, I guess, is direct to the city. >> Uh in terms of the Microsoft licenses,

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they're being provided from your current provider. They could be provided from us as well, but yes, you will have the keys and everything for them. >> Okay. >> So, we'll as part of our monthly as part of this number actually is those licenses 27 licenses.

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And then my final question, and I asked I spoke to you earlier about this as far as um do we have to does this have to go up to any type of a >> I spoke with our attorney about that. I do have soul source. The thing is with this company is that everything is done

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in house. I was unable to find anybody else and I made several phone calls to be able to to do all of the work under one umbrella. Originally [clears throat] they were going to do the VO phone as well and none of the IT companies that we had approached do the phone as well.

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Not our current um and not the ones that that we talk to. So I feel um very confident that that this is a a special um one source company that can can take care of our needs. >> Mr. Huh.

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>> I explained to Derek that if in fact the unique feature of this proposal was that the company the provider would be providing a multiple uh set of services rather than peace meal and you could

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justify going with that because of the advantage of dealing with one company instead of dealing with several. Then uh and if he had made efforts to determine that there were no other options out there, that's the true definition of soul source. I've also been advised

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though that they do have a contract with the lack of which you could piggy back off of. Although it may not be identical to the one that you would have because I'm not sure you provide all of the different functions of that you would. >> We we structure the contract, but it's a

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master agreement. So it's just all the general terms right that we would have that kind of stuff. >> So then we write an ordering document under that. So it would be a separate ordering. >> So you could diggy back before the lack as well. >> Okay. I just want to make sure that as

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we go forward because you know when you're letting one company go >> um and you're going to another company that there's not a challenge that we would be facing a challenge. We could anybody well >> we could hard letting a company go though. I mean that's that's a separate

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issue from how you select the replacement company. They got an absolute termination clause without cause termination clause that doesn't require cause then terminating the old company is is basically

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a non-issue. You can do it >> now. Selecting the replacement company that would be where your challenge would come in. Somebody have to say that they get provided all the same services and you know you didn't go out for bit or That's what I'm speaking to. >> That would be my concern.

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>> Okay. Yes. Commissioner Dita, could I ask one more question just for clarification? I told you I really don't know much about technology. Um, the mayor asked about the how to firewall the licenses we own them. So,

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are the licenses an ongoing extra cost for us? Okay. So um are we is this proposal are we looking at apples to apples the um the slide that showed what we are currently

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paying the I for the IT services we receive now does that monthly cost include the cost of the licenses >> it includes the cost of Microsoft license [clears throat] specifically

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was not in the old company's pricing. >> Okay. So, we have >> and that is a one time I believe it's a one one time cost annual cost that we pay for Palo Alto that we'll continue to pay. [clears throat] >> So, I guess when this assuming this contract comes back to us for approval,

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it would be very helpful to see to make sure that we're looking at apples to apples. Yes. >> In terms for budgeting purposes. >> Correct. >> Okay. That's all. And as far as what you're getting, you're you're you're getting double the amount of what we're getting now for this cost, especially

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when [clears throat] it comes to being um you know, in compliance with N, which is something that that um we we approved last year to move forward with. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, M. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um this is going to come back and forth

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when we get to our business items. >> Yes, it is for Okay. >> Okay. So, >> okay. Uh, now we're going to have Mr. Robert Taylor come and talk about our design development phase for the EMS and the fire station. >> He's come to update you. You will have

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in front of you this handout that I gave you. Go with his presentation. >> Thank you for coming, sir. Sorry. >> Is that mouse? Okay, you got it.

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>> Well, there's the second >> [clears throat] >> All right. Very good. Good getting the mayor and commissioners. Thank you very much for having me tonight and giving me this opportunity to convey to you the drawings and specifications that we

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prepared for Crescent City Fire Station number three. You might remember several months ago, we started out with a chart like this. And on the far left, it identifies conceptual design, which is where we began programming phase, code research, zoning review, [clears throat]

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um, and things that were essential to set program. Uh most recently we had a schematic design presentation where we included the preliminary site plan, building plans, um some uh preliminary

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specifications and budget information relative to uh the overall design of the project that happened about a month ago. Okay. Today we're in the green section. system, design, development, and the drawings and specifications that we have tonight are voluminous to the point that

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uh it would be impossible quite frankly for us to go through all of that tonight. Um I have all those files with me and I ran a print set of of what what's in there and there's about 60 sheets of architectural drawings, civil, structural, mechanical, plumbing,

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electrical, fire safety, and fire alarm. Um I do think it would be a good idea if we could set up a workshop session maybe later in the month to go over this in detail. U but again time is a limited effort here so I don't think that that

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would be valuable time spent. All right. I had sent to city manager Martin the outline of what I was planning to present tonight. And Derek, if you can get on with that slide, you go back to go up to the top where it says and just

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open. >> No, just just Yeah, just one at a time. >> Okay. [laughter] >> Okay. >> And make it as big as you can. Okay. >> These uh architectural renderings will show you what we believe the building

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inside will look like. U it does show a three bay apparatus bay. The eve height is about 16 ft. [clears throat] The front is the living business quarters and parking spaces in the very front which is off of Junction Road. Uh about

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18 parking spaces plus a handicap space. We put in some landscaping to give you an idea of what it might look when it's landscaped. And you can keep scrolling through. That's the side view. And

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again toward the front. This would be from the norththeast side. The north view. Flat north view. Northwest [clears throat] the northwest going around the corner.

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West view. A bird's eye view. And another bird's eye view of the entire property. I think that's the last slide. Um the the next thing if you have any questions about this please ask as we go

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along and I'll try to be expeditious. Okay. So go down to the bottom. See it says new. Um you open that up. >> Yeah.

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And then scroll down two pages. get to the text. One more. That's it. Okay. Um I in the packet that I had Mr. Warren pass out to you highlighted some of the important parts

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of this is a geotechnical survey done by NV5 and we uh we were aware that there might be some carst activity sinkhole activity in this area. and didn't feel like it was significant to the point that we should pay for a

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100 foot boarding. But we did ask them to investigate the possibility. And I'll quickly read a paragraph here. It said, "The investigation of the surrounding area did not identify significant depressional features or joining sites

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in areas observed. Additionally, there were no compelling indications of single act single activity within the depths explored in the boards. The FD map direct gateway website was utilized to determine if there were nearby

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um subsidance incidents reports near the subject site. Based on the review coordinates, no subsidance incident reports were identified within mile and a half radius. The nearest identified subsidance incident report was located

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approximately 9 miles from the subject site. And the last sentence says, review of topographic maps, topographic maps did not identify compelling changes in site elevations that would warrant concern. Uh simply stated, um we felt

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like that this is a prudent geotechnical exploration and report. Um it met the other requirements probably of our needs basically site water retention, soil capabilities, compaction and things that we would need to do to provide for the

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new site. Um but uh we the additional exploration cost several thousand dollars more. We opted not to do that. Simply stated, I think that's the best recommendation and unless someone says we need to spend some more money, I'm

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going to say that that's that's it. All right, Derek, you can get out of that program if you would. In your packet, if you want, uh, I tabbed three pages. That was the first one. The second page is the budget

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near the bottom again, Derek. >> Yeah, cost reduction. >> No, I'm sorry. That's the last slide. It should say R in it. >> One more. Yeah, there's the spreadsheet. >> What I did with this spreadsheet,

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because we were kind of paralleling what happened in the Hawthorne fire station, I put this together using the spreadsheet from the Hawthorne project and used their numbers. The numbers on the left basically are Hawthorne's. If

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you see a letter A or A B C and so on, those are additional categories that our cost consultant use. Thank you. That's good to help identify subp parts of our contract. Simply say that I think this is a detailed evaluation of the cost

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that we're encountering in this project. And scroll to the next page at the bottom. Okay, I highlighted some of these things in yellow. Uh item 33 is the subtotal for the building and the first number you come to was 1.78 million. That was the Hawthorne station.

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Our project at this stage is 2.362 million. So one of the things that Hawthorne did and Putnham County was able to do for their project which was beneficial, they still performed a lot of the site work. So you see in that

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column under 1.787, there are no numbers there. Um basically they did that. Uh and on the far right there are numbers in there which is about $376,000 of cost that we're going to incur to develop the site traditionally.

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One of the things that we've opted to do we think will help us save cost is to separate the site work and utilities contract from the general contract hoping that we can save some overhead and property. And there's a variety of other things that I'll show you in the

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last slide. But simply stated at this point, the very bottom line, the Hawthorne project was about 2.213 million and right now ours is about 2.7 uh 38 million. Okay. Um this does not

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unfortunately include the alternates. Okay. We had three alternates we were trying to include. One was the apparatus bay number three. One was an overhang on the south end of the facility and one was a source capture system for the

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appar. We could leave the the alternates in the contract and bid them should the competition be better than we expect and we can afford these alternates then they can be included and that's one of the benefits of doing things with an offer.

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Other questions about this test did you have a question? No, but there was music playing in the background and that was >> I think they've taken care. >> Okay, that's fine. >> Okay, very good. >> I I do have one question. Um with that

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that doesn't at coming in at that 2.738. That doesn't include dressing the inside, does it? >> It includes >> with the beds and >> it doesn't include >> furnishing. It would include lockers. It would

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include a whiteboard. It would include kitchen cabinets and things like that. It would not include refrigerators. I >> was going to say what about the appliances? Right. Okay. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> I I have a question too. >> Yes.

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>> So my understanding was that by exempting or removing the items that were uh removed, site work items and other other items of that nature. You're simply indicating that we would go out for separate

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contracts on those those items like domestic water here, sewer, sewer, dumpster gates, pave marks, etc., etc. You would we would be going out the city would be going out for a contract. All those

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>> um Alex Hickory is our civil consultant and he he and I would bid that as a separate entity could be bid simultaneously with a general contract. Um the upside of that is that the general contractor would not have to pay for and coordinate the site work

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contractor. There is a downside and that's we would rely on the city to help coordinate those two projects as we go through. >> Um so that the general contractor wouldn't get his cut, so to speak. That's not the most technical term to

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use, but you know what I'm talking about. If it wasn't bid through the GC, then he's not getting his profit and overhead cut off of that. >> Downside is he hadn't coordinating it either. >> That's right. >> Somebody else is going to have to. >> That's right. Right.

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>> And who's that going to be? >> Well, I was talking to city manager Martin about being our liaison in that respect. And I will certainly be on board as well. So, >> but and then one final question. Yes. And I know nothing is written in stone in this regard, but how confident are you of the numbers that are there since

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they are produced and I'm talking about those that he's outlined in blue. Those aren't produced through a bid through an actual bid process that you already have in hand. So those are estimates, right? >> How confident are you about? >> Um I'd say reasonably confident. Um I

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hired um Steve Black is the consultant. He uh has an estimating company as well as he is a general contractor. So [clears throat] he's tempered with reality. That's so and again that's it's not hard and fast.

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If the commission [clears throat] decides that it's better to combine them and simplify some of the coordination that can easily be done at this stage. But but I think the decision would have to be done soon. But where we are now, we're not going to have the third

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apparatus bay and we won't have the basically the overhang that was also going to help with the storage of those vehicles that were not going into that. Correct. >> That's correct, Mayor. Those two things were included as an alternate unless the bids are substantially more competitive

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than we see right now. Um they we wouldn't be able to afford them. As a matter of fact, we're still looking for cost savings. I'm trying to get about $200,000 more out of this bid. And our consultants and I have u created a list.

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There's several dozen things that we've considered to reduce cost. And that's one of the things I like to share with the Crescent City leadership team. Um you know, I'm an architect, designer, creator, and so on. And one of my

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obligations is to bring the building to you in the budget. One of the responses on your part is I've got to have certain things and between your program requirements which are mandatory and the budget which is also a limiting factor

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we have to do the best with what we have currently I have two meetings potentially established. One is on the 14th of July with Leo Weightson, chief building official Button County and his associate Clue Wright who is the fire marshal and invited Mr. Martin. I don't

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know if he'll be able to come u and the fire chief. I don't know that he'll be able to come but these things I like to do so that I can get a onetoone on some of these kind of technical issues, you know, and and it's

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I think it's going to happen. I'm happy that we'll be able to sit down with him. There are several things I saw at Haworn Fire Station uh that I would like to have take advantage of. Okay. >> So, can I have one more question? >> Absolutely.

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>> So, I understand [clears throat] savings theoretically by keeping the GC out of the process of of those particular items. But um I guess my question is um

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you know normally in a contract of this nature the GC is responsible for satisfying a process by which he achieves what he thinks is the lowest and best bid right so if the GC's out of it then that means the city's going to have to go out for

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bid on all those items. >> Uh I would ask a site work contractor to bid all these parts. you wouldn't have to or the city wouldn't have to go out and seek individual bids. Um the site work and utility contractor will be responsible for all these parts in the

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documents. There's a a separate set of drawings prepared by Alex a and Mr. Martin can pull that up if you wanted to look more closely at the civil parts. But we've talked about bidding this as a separate item and I think it can be

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>> discip contract. In other words, you're and you have you'll have a GC. The GC's responsibilities won't include those items that were highlighted, but you'd have a site work contractor who you would bid those items to that were in blue. >> They're in blue.

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>> Yes. I got you. Yeah. And and hopefully his total would be less than the 3.87. >> Yes. Okay. These are the drawings Mr. Martin has pulled up. Um, and these are sill drawings that show uh this is a demolition drawing and you see in the

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upper corner there's a little shaded area which is that concrete slab and I had talked to Mr. Martin and the fire chief about using their crew perhaps to do some of this demolition and there's piles of dirt on the right hand side or on the east side and there's some tree debris. If the city could get that

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removed then the contractor wouldn't have to do it. Um, and I'm of the opinion that these costs could be paid for by the grant because it's a direct related expense to the grant. I don't know if Mr. Martin's had a chance to check that out. >> I verified that it can. >> Sure, >> it can. I verified it.

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>> So, that type of thing can be done without overhead and profit. You can rent the equipment. Our chief said that he was he had men and capabilities to do some of that demolition and haul it off at another location. and that would that

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would reduce some of those site costs because there is some demolition cost. Okay. The drawing that Mr. Martin has pulled up now is a developed site. Uh the junction road is at the top of the sheet. There are two driveways um that come into the building, 18 parking

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spaces, one handicap space. the building in the center. The front half is roughly the living area and the business area and the back portion is two apparatus bays and the very lowest portion is the third apparatus bay and the one dashed in where Mr. Martin is circulating out

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is the overhang. The south apparatus bay and overhang are two of the >> What are those priced at? What would those price out at? >> Um >> what would those add to the project? >> Let's see. We have that total. I think

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the um apparatus bay came in around 300,000. Let me see. And the overhang was about 200,000. It's in the detail. >> The overhang was 200,000. >> I'm sorry. >> The overhang was 200,000.

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>> Right. Yeah. And I'm not certain he had that number correct. Um, >> aren't we Isn't that similar to Wouldn't that be similar to like a carport? >> Well, it's going to be 16 ft high. It's going to be rigid frame like the rest of the building. Uh, the roof will be

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similar. It's just an open bag. >> Yeah. I >> The cost per square should be square foot should be significantly lower than the cost with the the build out of the building. I haven't seen all of the numbers yet, but I want to work with his estimator to look at the actual quantities because that's important to

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look at uh based on the price and I can see what the price per square foot is. So, we haven't quite got there yet. >> So, u [clears throat] the metal building price for the alternate one was $80,500. The middle building price for overland

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was 64,000, but there's concrete involved and then electrical, some plumbing and some other fire protection. So, you have to add up all the parts to get to the total number. >> I can get that for you. I don't have it at my fingertips. >> That's fine. >> Mayor, I have a question.

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>> Yes, Commissioner. >> Did I have a question? >> Yes, Commissioner. >> Yes. Did I hear you say that you thought it would be beneficial to schedule a workshop with us on the plans? Did I hear you say that that you would like to

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have a workshop with the commission or >> Yes. Well, I'd like to have a workshop with the people who are interested in finding out more about the drawings and the specifications and what we're planning to do. Yes, I think that'd be a great idea. >> Okay. So I mean does that mean the

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general public the staff the commission or combination of >> I think if we had a wealth of people we probably wouldn't get through very much. I like to focus on what we do. I will bring certain like my MBE consultant.

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I'd bring my Alex the civil constru consultant and Pat Rose structures and me. So there'd be four of us and then um Mr. Martin and perhaps the fire chief and anybody else from the city that car

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>> and I don't mean to keep talking about price but price is so sensitive to the town because our budget is so tight. >> Um we all know of the volatility right now that exists. Um, I mean, you probably know it better than I do in the

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construction industry, but from what I hear from clients, uh, it's a it's a educated guess as to what something's going to cost next week, let alone six months from now. >> Yeah, >> that's why. So, my question is, would it be at all beneficial to have your

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estimator there too? >> Uh, sure. I could ask you to comment. >> U, and I want to follow up your comment, Mr. Holmes. The calculation between what the project costs for Hawthorne 2.2

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billion and ours at 2.7 billion is about a 25% increase by 24 practically. And I asked Steve, I said, "Why did this go up so much?" Because we projected a cost and we were looking at around $300 a foot. Now it's $400 a foot.

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>> The war, tariffs, gas, you know, uh it's just a difficult situation. As Mr. Holmes said, >> I've said this. Yeah, >> but I just want want to make sure they're in a position so they understand what they're going to do if

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they end up >> $300,000 short, you know. >> Well, and that's that's something that we've and we've had that conversation since the getgo. Not a penny over. >> And believe me, I'm I'm looking for a couple hundred,000 more.

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>> Not sure. >> Yeah. And and I think that we we've got some good suggestions on how to cut the cost. Um and they're not capriccious. I mean, the quality will still be there, but maybe a little cheaper cabinet or a

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little different design here and there. And I'm immenable to a design change. My structural engineer and I talked about the front of the building was designed and pre-engineered by the building. Uh Patrick's the structural guy says we can consider that in wood framing it would

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change the type of building. Right now it's a type 2B which is a non-combustible building. Very nice steel studs. If we go to wood frame it would be at 5B a little lower classification. The importance in the building classification has to do with how many

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square feet and how high you can build a building. Well this is not a skyscraper and it's not a huge structure. So it'd be well within the bounds of a type 5B if we opted to do that. If we could save $100,000, I'd be doing that. So those

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are the kinds of decisions we're looking at. Are there components of the building? I mean, I I don't know how the commission feels about making that sort of change, but are there components of the building that could be

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essentially left unfinished with the understanding that they could be finished later without affecting the overall integrity or concept of the of the of the of the of the of the structure or of the project? For instance, the parking lot

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just as an example. uh is that I I'm just if they get to the point where prices go up and they're unless they have more money somewhere and I don't nobody you do or you don't is there you they got a rainy day fund somewhere where you can pull another couple hundred grand out then that's this is a

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moot point but if they don't I'm just I'm just trying to help them come up with some contingencies so that they'll still end up with a building that they want but they may have to work on getting it a little bit later than they had planned because of having to add

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some whatever it might be, whether it be cabinets on the interior, whether it might be it. It would appear to me that the most important part would be to get the structure that they that they want of the quality that they want. And if they have to add, you know, some of the

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accessories later, that might be something that they could do and and still have >> I had I I had the same I was going to talk that up, too. you know, if you could leave, there's certain things that can be leave for late, you know, I mean, you need the the excellent structure.

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You need what you need. Um, [clears throat] but then like he said, parking lot, uh, you know, the cleaners, you know, what all the the the little other details,

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uh, we could probably wait uh, and do at a later date as money trickles into this. >> It's interesting you mentioned the parking lot. Crescent City's doning ordinance allows grass parking in some

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instances and we discussed that and the decision was made that we needed to pay 18 spaces, but it's conceivable that we could get by with fewer spaces being paid. >> Yeah. I bet if you told the person who

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decided that that they could they were losing all of this, they might reconsider that parking lot. >> Yeah. Well, as we and one of the things Steve said, as we learn more about the project and numbers become more

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the beginning when we were talking about price, all we were doing is just wild guesses. >> Now we've got drawings and specifications and numerous drawings and specifications from every discipline where you can get much closer to what reality is. There's a number in here

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that I was frustrated by. the overhead doors. For the overhead doors and on project, we're talking about 165,000. That would be all six apparatus doors and the one in Hawthorne was 80 something,000. I

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called the guy up and said, "Why is it so high?" >> And she said, "Well, motor prices went up 25%, metal's gone up 15%. And we're trying to give you a little cushion in your budget. You know, I think that's okay. But if the cushion doesn't come back at midtime,

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>> we'll get in problems. >> So, >> well, my only concern, [clears throat] you know, and I guess we're going to have to explore this too with the state is that if we hold off on finishing some of the finishings on the inside, um

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is that acceptable that knowing that it wouldn't be a completed project and would that be acceptable? And that that's yes >> that that is going to come up if if we're trying to get a co that's something that's going to have to be negotiated with the county as far as the

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work that has to be done and the payments that are going to be made. >> We have a time frame and that time frame can't be extended. So whatever even if we're going to extend it which means we would have to go quicker to procurement and try to get this started [snorts] that that time clock's already started.

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So that extension can only go so far. So given where we are currently with this with the war and not knowing what's happening with pricing um how much time once we get past the December deadline, how much time do we have then until we

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have to start construction? >> I'm thinking we have till December 27. Um >> so to start construction or complete? >> I think it's to sign the contracts. Okay. But I'm hoping to get this project

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bid before the end of the year and ideally award it before the end of the year. Traditionally prices go up at the end of the year. Um and then November and December are difficult months for bidding because of the holidays. So

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every day counts. Every day counts. >> Well, I'm just wondering a lot. The only thing I'm thinking of is supplies. you know, if we need to if we get to a point we feel like we need to hold off that supplies have escalated and if they might come back down um that's just

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something that make sure that we have those solid timelines so that we don't miss them. your your gohead. >> I was going to say your your asphalt material is your most volatile because it's fuel and it's the stone. And so whatever's going on in the world,

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whether China buys up stone or whether fuel goes up, that that asphalt's your and if you look at the cost, that's your biggest cost. The parking lot itself is not the heavy cost, it's the drives. Those drives are pretty those are substantial drives for the weight of the truck. I was going to ask if there's any

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alternative long-term material that could be used rather than asphalt because you have a heavy base underneath it. >> Yeah. And then you have thick asphalt. So, >> and the other thing if you're dealing with asphalt and um parking any vehicles on top of that for any given length of

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time during the heat. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, you have a problem with that too. So, >> these are questions that are not going to be able to answer tonight. >> No. So probably we do need to schedule a workshop just to kind of whenever you

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feel that you you both have a really good handle on this. >> Currently those tribes are specified to be concrete. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And and they're 6 in thick. >> The pad closest to the apparatus bay is

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8 in thick because we anticipate more riding and turning and so on. >> It's just the parking lot. Just park as far as parking lot is as >> yeah ladies and gentlemen once you have other questions I have one other slide I want to okay

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>> show to you and Derek at the very bottom it should say the cost >> reduction strategies. >> Yeah that's it. Okay. Can you blow that up a little bit? >> I can. >> Okay. Now this Steve Black and I were talking and I said Steve

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what can we do to make this price better more competitive cheaper and you see the first thing it says owner direct purchase ODP or owner furnish contractor and strong OFCI so he's identified site work self-perform we may or may not be

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able to do that we talked about that already [clears throat] lift station owner furnish contractor and strong grease interceptor OFCI uh pre-engineered metal building owner director purchase. If you direct purchase something like a building and it cost $400,000, you save 7% or you

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just save $28,000. And those are practical options. Source capture system as as an option. And he's thinking it could be an owner direct purchase. Well, we could look at that. uh lighting package the generator generator is already owner furnished

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contractor installed washer dryer and and extractors are owner furnished and could be direct purchase too. So um he's talking about reducing the paving both the concrete and the asphalt reduce the trench strains. What we've done we

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talked to um fire chief um Razer and he said that they use an absorbent to pick up any spills. So if they continue to use and absorb it, we think we can do that instead of having to have re

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collectors and things which are quite expensive. Uh confirm the retention ponds are designed for the base bid. Uh and we'll make sure that we just got the geotechnical report which is what the civil guy needs to do to design the retention pond. Um,

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oh, he's talking about gravity flow for the sewer. And by his calculations, it looks practical. The thing that would concern me is if you're injecting material into a force man and it's under

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pressure, your stuff has to be under pressure, too. Typically with a check valve, so it goes one way. We'll talk about it. We'll see if that's realistic. I just don't know. eliminate interior curb and gutter and slope landscape areas to drain uh across the asphalt drive. We're going to do as much of that

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as we can. That's a two-edged sword. When the asphalt um is not protected from water infiltration, it erodess more rapidly. Okay. Um architectural reclass. This is what we talked about changing to a type 5B uh non-sprinkler, which is

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wood frame. and uh two or three of us, Patrick and Steve and I have all talked about this and and remember we started with the end of the station [clears throat] has wood frame wood frame. >> So, but the apparatus bay with its high bay and and necessary clear column space, we think that's the best

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structure. So, maybe a hybrid is the most economical. Uh you eliminate the faux masonry that's that's not a big deal. Um he talking about metal sheathing and some other little subtleties in there. Mechanical

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um get rid of the u source capture system and use fans and the mechanical consultant and I talked about that uh you simplify the pre-engineered metability roof engineering that

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eliminates roof penetrations. We always try to do that. So, buy American. I don't know, Derek, if we're bound by buy American. If we're not, then that will save us a little bit of money because we can buy whatever we need. That was a big deal several years back.

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Uh, generator for essential systems only. Right now, we're talking about a whole building generator. Okay. And again, I think the fire chief, we investigated that with the ambulance station and we can have an essential services. Uh it's just nice to have

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everything on on that generator. So that's just Steve's ideas. I' I've gotten other ideas from other consultants and that will be part of what we talk about in the workshop. >> Okay. >> So what do you need from us this evening, Mr. Taylor?

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>> Thank you. Uh I know you're short on time and this the it's interesting. We saw very little of the building except for the renters, but I would like to have your approval to proceed into the next phase. What that does, that allows us to continue to work expeditiously.

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I would hope that we could get from here to the end of the construction document phase in three months. Okay, so we're mid July, mid August, midsepptember, mid October, maybe the end of October. If we could do that in [clears throat]

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September, go out for bids and get them back at the end of September, early November, we have a much better chance of getting this project awarded before the end of the year. That's my goal. >> So, where does that fall on this?

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>> There's no time and no dates. >> Oh, yes. There's no times of course because the size of the project can be big or small. >> I understand. is asking to get to this point. That's what I'm talking about. What point are you actually talking? >> You think you want to do this before we have our before we have our workshop?

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>> If you can vote during the workshop meeting right now, >> we could do a special meeting and not call it a workshop. >> Yeah. >> We could do a special meeting. >> That's the pleasure of the commission. [cough] >> My consultants can be here on the 24th

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and the 25th or 23rd and 24th. December. Yeah. 23rd 24th >> and I think Derek, do you have those dates available? >> I will be here but I have others that will not be available. >> I was coming back midweek >> but two of us won't be there.

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>> Yeah, >> well if if Derek's not going to be able to attend the first part of the week is still available to me. I I moved it to the latter part of the week. So we >> I I will be here, but I have two commissioners that want if we're having a special meeting.

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>> Right. So the 20th, what is everybody doing on the 20th? >> We can do the 21st. >> Okay. >> I can do the 20th. 21st. 22nd. >> Okay. 25th. >> Let's do the 20th. Can we do the 20th?

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>> Okay. Mayor, let me I've got to get into July. I'm sorry. Is not cooperating. I'd like to do it. >> Okay. So, we're talking about Monday, July 20th. >> Yes, I can do that day. Um, preferably not first thing in the morning. Is it

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possible to do it late morning? Does that work with 11:00? >> I could do Yes. >> 11:00. >> That's the 20th Monday 11. >> Advertise that as a special meeting. >> Yes. >> Madam Clerk,

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Mr. Martin, will you check with your chief? Make sure he's available. >> Yes, ma'am. I will. >> And we'll meet in the commission meeting room. >> Yes, sir. >> 11:00. >> Now, this flash drive has all the drawings on it. Uh, at the design

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development stage, >> there's another method. can print these little drawings. >> Uh or we can look at it on the screen. What would you prefer to do? >> Um well, I don't

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that's whatever the commission decides. I'm not I definitely want to look it up on the screen, but I can. But >> but I don't also need I mean I've already got this much paper in the fire station. >> We're killing a lot of trees. >> I know. I've got a lot of I already have

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just from the earlier meetings and all that. I've got a lot of paper on the fire station. So, it's um there you'll work that out. >> I will. >> Let's work that out. Okay. >> So, we'll wait for the 20th. >> We see you on the 20th. Yes, sir. We'll

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>> be satisfied with that. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Taylor. >> I was going to add windows, but golly, now we can't add any more windows. Can't afford more windows. I was a little concerned of the natural light. They don't have a whole lot of natural light in there. >> There's three windows in there.

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>> So, what will the hurricane rating of this structure? >> 147 miles an hour. It's a four, category four structure, which is a substantial structure. >> Yeah. In the building code, they have one, two, three, four. This is the top.

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It's supposed to be there after a hurricane. >> If you design it with a metal >> Yes. metal building and or wood frame. >> Wood frame. Wood. >> Yes. Thank you very much. >> You're welcome to take You're welcome to take cake with [laughter] you.

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>> It's okay. >> Okay. Next up, >> go into our sheriff's report. Excuse [cough] me. >> Okay. >> Good evening. >> Um, looks like the fourth went off well

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with the fireworks. I guess the parts I've been speaking to uh Derek and he uh told me that the cars were cleaned up this time. There were no trash left, no fireworks. >> It was funny that through the whole weekend there was only 36 calls for service on a holiday weekend like that.

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So with everything going on, that was a win. >> And three4 of those calls were proactive police proactive police interactions with traffic stops. So, they were hopefully slowing everybody down. I'll get into our report unless you guys

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have anything else in the forefront. We had three thefts. One of those was at 527 Palmetto Avenue. A go-kart and scooter was stolen. Uh just after that happened, they caught a juvenile riding

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said go-kart and he is being charged with said theft. We don't know where the scooter is yet. We can't find it. Next one. Miss Mander decided she was going to steal some things from Dollar General. Deputies found her around the corner, found her with his stolen items

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and she was [clears throat] arrested. Same at 9:15 North Summit Street. Steven Weiss was called taken it out from same thing. Definitely get the call, find her on the road did what they had to do. So that was a win with all closed cases.

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>> Can I go back to with the juvenile? >> Yes, ma'am. >> How is that being dealt with? We had that conversation at the last meeting >> with our juveniles and making sure that we're >> depending on how they what their record looks like. They usually we we air on

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the side of caution and we give them a juvenile citation if it's all how it's possible and it's deferred by prosecution. If they don't answer said picking up trash on the side of the road or whatever we're having them do, then the follow the charges go to the state

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attorney's office. >> Okay. [clears throat] When you're done, let's go back to that community service. Okay. >> Yes, ma'am. Traffic crashes. Two some people this vehicle pulled out in front of another one not paying attention. And the second one here was a prospect in

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Florida. A vehicle came through the intersection. Another vehicle ran to the stop sign and t-mo car in that intersection. Luckily, these were uh very minor damage. General activity, you had 262 calls for service, 37 of those being traffic

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stops, two traffic accidents, 20 total reports, 12 arrests, and two people were given charge reports attorney's office. There's your crit six month crime

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comparison about a 70% decrease going from five to three. We have still not located Mr. Addison yet. So we are still actively we think we believe where he is at right now which if you will please Mr. Addison if

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you'll stay there we appreciate it. Um and we as soon as we can get our hands on him we'll take care. Commissioner that it's all I have. >> Do you have any questions? No questions. Um community service. You

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mentioned that about the community service. Yes, ma'am. >> And where are they doing this community service? Because we could use some community service here in Crescent City. And I think especially if you're a juvenile that it might it might um benefit us if other juveniles are seeing

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them out there or their peers are seeing them out there having to serve community service in their community and not somewhere else for crimes that they committed. >> Yes. So depending normally we get those requests from the community as it would be for credit or whatever. That's what I

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would ask. >> Okay. >> Uh unfortunately [clears throat] there's a lot of kids that are involved in these things. again, their children. We have to make sure that we take care of these guys really good. So they don't get overheated out here, things like that. So that's things we have to

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consider. And also, we got to consider drive time because they're coming from the [clears throat] sheriff's office. That's about 2 hours wasted of drive time just coming back and forth. But no excuses. That's going to be my request that these individuals come down here because

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of what is going on and see what we can do. Well, I mean, I don't know. Commissioners, do you I just think that, you know, others see you out there, it can it we have an opportunity to to make them

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know that they've done wrong and to turn and go in a different direction in their life. [clears throat] Um, >> absolutely. Especially being seen in your hometown. >> Yeah. Kind of embarrassing the sign. Don't be like me >> because you have to wear Don't you have to wear the the vest and the

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>> I'd rather do >> Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah. I know. Well, I'm out there. When I when I go out there, I've always worried, you know, that somebody's going to think that I'm I have community service. [laughter] >> I'm just saying, you know, it's just that's just people notice that and they

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need to they need to others need to see what's happening because we need to get their attention and we won't tolerate that here in present city. Okay. Thank you. >> What was 100% success rate on our criminal activity that we had to report? >> Yes. >> You Thank you very much. We greatly

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appreciate that. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. >> Any other questions? >> We have no other questions. >> Thank you for keeping I I walked out, but every the city did real well during Fourth of July. Thank you for your cooperation with that. >> You didn't have to pick up trash all day.

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>> We did. I did not have to go out there the next day. I was so thankful Ronnie was out there. He called me at 7 o'clock in the morning. [laughter] Old habit die hard. Um okay. Well, with that, we're going to go

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into our CRA. Um if everyone is is needs a break right now, we'll take a couple of minutes and take a break. I'm going to recess this regular schedule meeting and then when we come back, we'll open up our CRA. and thank you. You're an angel.

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>> Don't let me please don't let I got you. [laughter] You said there was no ice Anyway, it is real quick. Sorry. [clears throat] I love it. All

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How are you? shutting off. So basically Great job. number. She may hopefully Please. All right.

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I don't know. Sorry, sorry. >> [clears throat] >> I don't get you blinded. They got a little bit So it's not started. >> [laughter] >> Everybody ready?

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Cheers. We are now opening up our CRA portion of the meeting [laughter] >> and we're going to start with um Mr. Martin. Do you want to start with this? I think we've got the bike fest. >> Yes. We'd like to have Bikefest and the

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representatives that are front for [clears throat] the alcohol road closures come Christina Marie. Thank you. >> Hello Christina. Good evening everyone. >> Uh so the partnership has applied um for two events. The first one we'll talk

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about is Bikefest. It'll be the second annual Bikefest. Last year I'm sure all of you remember it was one of the um it was actually the partnership's biggest event since the organization started. yielding approximately 5,000 people in town. We're asking for permission to

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hold the event again and close Central Avenue from Lake Street to Summit so that we can have vendors staged along um Central Avenue and the bike. And then we'll also need Market Square because

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we'll have music and vendors there as well, >> just like we did last year. >> Okay. And we would also like to um request um approval that we are able to sell alcohol. We'd like to have two booths, one at Market Square and one on

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Central just as they did last year. And this [clears throat] is um for fundraising purposes for the partnership. As a nonprofit, we're allowed 12 temporary alcohol permits per year. And um it's a great way for us to make money. Last year they raised $5,500 just on alcohol alone, which is the

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next. So, we ask you to please um please um consider bringing that for us. [clears throat] >> Um there is that it for the bike test. >> Um actually this year we would like to

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the the Central Florida motorcycle drill team reached out to us and they'd like to um do an opening ceremony of sorts um a mini parade kind of open up the event. We um would like to start them over in the Dexter Beach area. Let them stage

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there and run them down Grand Roland up central from the west side crossing summit and across to the east side. So it's um and and we're also going to try to get the um march, you know, a high school band involved. But we at least want these. It's

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approximately um half a dozen motorcycles, five motorcycles. They carry flags and they do a presentation and we'd like to just have that to kick off the day. Um we think it would be a nice touch. The theme of the event is the um you know the anniversary of our

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country. So um you know um the flags would be very appropriate. So they only want to get so they don't want to be on summit. they want to be >> originally we we did discuss that to do our standard parade route as the catfish for the policies but um we think for

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this event since it's um centralized on central avenue that it could be a nice flow to come right up central and we would have we could avoid having to shut 17 down for that little bit of time just something different. Um again it's just going to be this um a motorcycle drill

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team and probably hopefully a marching band or something to that effect. We won't have a ton of floats or anything too extensive. Again, it's just to kick off the day. >> And you're going to do that at what time? >> That would be when the event starts. 10 to 6 is what we're proposing. Of course,

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we would need to shut the road down earlier so that we could stage the numbers accordingly. >> Rondo is that it >> rain and >> just what would you We're doing per session of course with with these bikes.

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So we would maybe 15 minutes from Grand Rondo from the west end of central. We would work with our sheriff's department and our volunteers to have the road um people um you know helping cross the road. We would be mindful of Mr. Irwin's parking and [cough] to Mr. Irwin earlier

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today and I'm going to keep him completely in the loop of whatever may be going on at that side. Right now it's just the motorcycles is what we're asking for um that procession to be able to proceed down there. Alternatively, if you prefer, we could certainly ask you for the standard grade route, but we

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thought it would simplify things and would be more appropriate for this event and easier on our law enforcement. >> Okay. What time is it going to be again? I'm sorry. >> The event is 10 to 6, so we'd like to have that parade in the morning at 10:00. >> 10:00. >> And I'm calling it a parade, but again, it's for

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>> procession. It's a procession. >> Procession. Yes. >> Mayor. >> Yes. >> Shouldn't that really be under our ordinance in a separate application? I mean, this is what July. Um, I'm just not very comfortable saying, okay, this

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is technically under our ordinance supposed to have an application to the city staff and then it's supposed to come to us. Okay. >> I mean, I'm not really sure why it would just be presented verbally.

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>> Yeah. Well, I thought this >> to be quite honest with you, Commission. It's something that just came up today when we had an event staff an event meeting earlier. Um, [clears throat] it's a bit impromptu, but we just wanted to at least if if we need to present it

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to you another way. We're okay with bringing it back to you next month. Um, but we would like at least approval for the east part of central just as we did last year for the event itself so that we could move forward with applying for our alcohol permit and everything. If you'd like me to submit a separate

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application for this um parade, I can do that. >> My well, my understanding is that the reason that the whole reason where we're coming you're coming early anyway is because you need to secure them to be

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able to do this parade. And so you you have to be able to give them I mean ample time and so or you need ample time so that you can reach out to them and secure them because we're only talking a little three months a little over three months.

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>> Yes. And they are coming um from I believe the Ocala area is where they're based out of. And um they they're also going to stay for the day for the event and they're going to be doing one-hour presentations throughout the the day for motorcycle safety and um a drop

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presentation which for bikers if they drop their bike the properly to pick it up and things of that. So they will be at our event all day. Um and they and I think they're bringing a lot to it and they asked this was their idea they came to us. We thought it was a great fit. So again, procedurally speaking, if I need

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to bring it forward another way, we can, but for the sake of time, if you approve it, it'll probably help. >> Everything else though that you're asking us for is is pretty much exactly as last year's >> application and permit. >> Okay. >> So the only thing was free,

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>> which is a rolling parade. >> It's a procession. So it's a rolling procession. So you would you'd start at Dexter, correct? So you would just we would have to they'd have to close down that and really you would really only have to probably close down >> would you close down both lanes or one

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lane just for that >> least amount of traffic done because I think >> yes it's going to be very quick and um again >> so along Florida streets that kind of run in there you know for that 15

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minutes or so so the only place where you definitely need a stop right here on summit as they cross summit. Correct. >> Yes, we need that's something our deputies and the fire department can help withing the um 17.

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>> Well, I I agree that you probably need just a little more than what what you got down here. >> Okay. Um, you know, but is time of the essence here or >> is it

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team already on board? >> Okay. >> The drill team, >> the Central Florida drill team. I've already met with the captain. So, Anna Penley,

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>> um, and he is already prepared to have his team here. >> Um, we originally talked about they would stage at the bank and do the normal route, but he is going to do

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whatever we asked, whatever you will allow us to do. and he they actually will be about six of them um with the flags because their whole drill team, they cannot do their program, right?

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>> We don't have 200 feet by whatever. I'd have to use Save a Lot. Nobody's going to go there. Okay. >> So, um not Save a Lot, but the parking lot, right? >> Um so, we're they're already prepared. I've met with the captain and they came

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like um Christina said they reached out to us. They used to do the Aalia festival >> in in so they >> well I don't I don't about it. I just think that >> there is for time there we don't we're

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good. We can come back to you in August. That's not a thing. >> Okay. Because I just think it needs to be written correctly. Where where the things have to stop where you're stopping and going those kind of events? I don't Yeah, a little map, you know. >> No problem.

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>> If you want I want little motorcycle drivers. >> We can have those icons there. Okay. I like that. >> But anyway, that's all we really need. It's just, you know, Thank you. >> Yes. Commissioner. >> Yeah. So, are we at the point where we need could use a motion? Are we going to

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do these together or separate? >> We're going to do them separate. >> We're doing them separate. >> We're just I just separated them out. We're doing them separate. >> So, if it's in order, I would make a motion. Okay. Go ahead. Um I move that we approve the application of the downtown partnership for the Crescent

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City Bikefest um on October 24th of 20 of this year. um with the understanding that um the parade for procession um will be approved under its

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own permit at a later time. >> Pardon? Oh, and they're allowed to. >> Right. Well, the does the permit ask for alcohol? >> It does. >> You might want to if you would include that in your motion, please. >> Right. and including the approval of the

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alcohol sales requested at the two sites um market square and on central. Is that what you asked for? Yes, >> I'll second that. >> So, we have a proper motion by commissioner Devito to approve the bike fest application excluding the parade at

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this time to come to us for at a later time and we have a second by commissioner Lord. Do we have any further discussion? Do we have any public comment on this? >> Okay, madam clerk, if you do a roll call forth, please.

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>> Yes, ma'am. >> Commissioner Burton, >> I. >> Commissioner Moa, >> I. >> Vice Mayor Bory, >> I. >> Commissioner Deito, >> I. >> Mayor Myers, >> I. >> So approved. >> So approved. Let's move on to the call test.

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>> Thank you. Um, so you'll see there's a request for an application for a call test. Um, it's going to be the basically the same like we've done for the past four or five years. We would like to use Market Square. We plan to have live music, uh, maybe Pumpkin Patch. We're

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hoping to have a cruise in with our local car club and an array of vendors and food trucks. We ask um for your approval to use Market Square. >> You're not But you're not closing down any roads for this. It's just the usual best. >> Yes.

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And there's no alcohol. >> And there's no alcohol [laughter] sales. >> There's no alcohol sales, but um right, it was there was a meeting today where it was suggested by some of the committee members that maybe we should sell alcohol as a fundraiser, but um

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right right now I'll bring that forward another next month if we decide to do that. But right now, we would just like to get people to use the site. >> Okay. I I move that we approve the privacy downtown partnerships application for fall fest um September 19th.

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>> So we have a proper me a motion by um commissioner and second by commissioner >> commissioner sorry about that commission >> to approve the call fest. Uh do we have any further discussion on this?

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Any public comment? Madam clerk, if you do a roll call for please. >> Commissioner Dito. >> Hi. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Mayor Myers. >> I approve. Approve. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> All right. So, now we're going to go over our CRA grant program. Let me ask you the commission. [clears throat] So, we've got this sign um that's also with the Crescent City Downtown Partnership. >> So, do we want to take that out of order

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at this time? Um since they're still here and this other might take a little while commission okay with taking it out of order. >> Sure. [clears throat] >> Sorry to mess you up. Yes. Do I don't have any [clears throat] um

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>> I don't have any paperwork on the sign. >> I don't >> It's in the agenda and I have the renderings here and the gentleman is here to discuss the sign. >> It's in the agenda. >> On the agenda. >> Blame me for it, I'm sure.

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>> [clears throat] >> Okay. Last month you asked me to work with this individual um to look at the renderings of the sign. This is the latest renderings of that sign and um and also Downtown Partnership is here to speak about the sign as well. Go ahead.

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>> Um well, we weren't really prepared to speak about this topic, but just to give you a little briefing, um Mr. Steve from Big Dogs Graphics approached us a few months ago, offered to um donate a sign

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for the downtown and I guess we're at the point where we're here to finalize the design and um so we're we we're not really sure. We we're not really sure where we are with this sign

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to be quite honest with you. We weren't um seeking a sign. Mr. Penny came to us, offered the sign at no charge. Now, there's apparently a charge. Um, we're willing to work with him, but we're just um we're not sure what to speak on right

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now. We're I guess you're you all are to approve the design, and I'm sorry, we're prepared for this. We're um planning. >> Have you seen it? Have you seen it? >> Have you seen the design? >> Yes. Okay. >> [clears throat] >> So, I guess basically this came before

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us before and it was to put it on that on the property over what we all refer to as Market Square. Um and and first off, um very appreciative that they're wanting

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to invest here in Crescent City and to help you out, help the city out. >> So, how much does he want to do this now? When you presented it the first time, it was zero. And now what is it? That's what my assumption was. Last one,

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but it's $400, not $400. Okay. >> The city or >> power the partnership would pay $400. Mr. um pretending has an investment of approximately 4 to 600 is my understanding. And last I um heard at

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our partnership board meeting that the city would potentially contribute $400. >> And that and that's been updated since then. Mr. Henny, the city will have no cost out of our pocket for it at this time. It's a two. Yes. Right. >> The other thing that is discussed, if I

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remember correctly, and I don't mean to jump in here, but usually I don't say anything, so I guess I will. Um, we've discussed, we want to sell that piece of property. So, we also needed something to say that this is for sale. I mean,

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what you're doing is taking our for sale down, [clears throat] right, and putting this sign up. Is that is that correct? >> Well, we really don't have to use that sign. We're just trying to do that really for the sake of simplicity since that structure was there. Ideally, um in our downtown, it would be nice to have a

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separate sign that says, "Welcome to downtown. These are the upcoming events. Whether or not this design is to your liking or not, I don't know. That's for um you know, for for you all to decide. >> I'm not sure. It doesn't have to be on

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them. that that sign could be activated. You could put a for sale sign on it as property should be and it movement etc. Um and we could just have a welcome to down welcome downtown sign people.

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>> Well would have to have the sign installed. >> So [clears throat] go that way. >> Well this well I talked to I talked to um Mr. Martin about this because we also talked about if you're going to sell

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that property that he needed to put out whatever RFP and RFQ, however he wanted to do it and that we did as a real estate agent that would do that. Now, they would not want our number on that. They would of course want their number

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on it. So, all contacts would go to them. So, they would erect their own sign for sale. I would think >> correct >> um that they should um ultimately I don't know that you can barely even read the sign that we have out there. So it really hasn't been beneficial to to us.

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Um but that was that was my thinking is that um I don't know that we want to put you know for sale on this. I think we that's a whole another issue that we need to address that if we want to be aggressive with that and selling that

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then we need to hire somebody to take care of doing that. Yes, Commissioner De I'm a little I'm concerned about our time and I'm a little bit concerned about the fact that the sign idea which is a great idea seem

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to originate with the partnership but they don't seem 100% comfortable with endorsing or making a final decision on this right now. Am I reading this right? >> Um we are we think the sign is a great idea. We're very grateful to Big Dogs

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Graphic for stepping forward and wanting to be involved in our community and offering their services. And um uh we I I'm not sure where we're supposed to go from here. Um Mr. Henning's design, not ours. >> Okay, good. Can I ask you a question?

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Would you like a little time to discuss the design and make your own recommendations? Is that what you're saying? Um If you guys like the sign, it's great. Pick that sign. >> If you'd like to give us more time, um

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maybe we should ask Mr. Penny um to anything. We're not sure what the timeline is that we're um we're dealing with. Maybe it's best that we bring it back to you next month when we have a clear finalized draft of it and we're a little more prepared to um speak on it.

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I wasn't aware it was on the agenda tonight. I apologize. >> And my my advice too was to Mr. makes it to have a a memorandum of understanding between him and the partnership as well. So it was a little bit more clearly defined as to who's responsible, how much the cost is going to be, and what the final design is. And that's

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something that you can work with him on. In my discussion with him, originally we were going to put a for sale, but it didn't really make any sense to have city the city uh you know number on there if we were going to get a realtor. So that came off. Hence, there is no cost to the city at this point in time

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because we aren't aren't going to have anything, you know, really to do with that sign. It's more for the partnership and the events that they have. But I think it's a great idea, I think, um, for him to step up and and have these ideas to come and help the city um, you know, grow and to put those things out

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there would be great, but it needs to be finalized. >> Yes. So, what we'll do is we'll finalize the design and we'll bring it back before you for next month. The only reason, well, one of the reasons obviously we need approval to install it on city property and of course have you approve the design, but we'll um work

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more closely with Mr. Hending and see if we can iron out those details and um and get that figured out and and bring you something more solid next month. Great. I need a motion to table this until the August meeting. >> I move that we table this um until

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August. >> Second. Okay, we have a proper motion by Commissioner Lori and second by Commissioner Devito to table this until the August 4th meeting. All in favor, please say I. >> I opposed. Nay. Okay.

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Thank you very much. >> Okay, we're going to move on. >> Thank you. >> You're getting that ready. So Bonnie sends her apologies and send me in herstead to go over this um presentation. Um this is going to be for

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a redevelopment grant program. >> Where is Bonnie? >> Bonnie's on vacation. >> On vacation. >> Yes. She had it planned when she was hired. So it just fell on this day. Um so I apologize. We're right into it. So, um, what we're going to look at today

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are the commercial priority and the residential priority overviews. We're going to skim through this. I know we have a lot to get into tonight. I put in front of you all a funding recommendation for our CRA projects. Um, with how much we have to go through

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tonight, I don't know if this commission would like to finalize this tonight or move this to a special meeting all on its own. That is up to you all. I know we have a heavy schedule, budget season we're in. So, I'd like to go through at least this overview and then y'all can make that decision as we move forward if

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that's okay. Mayor Commission, is that okay? >> So, on the North I'm sorry, ma'am. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. Thank you. On the North CRA commercial priority, um we have high ranking project in the in the North CRA is at 925 North Summit. It had a a

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score. >> No, there's one in there though that is incorrect. Go ahead. Okay. The high ranking project on the North CRA is 925 North Summit score of 68. Um the requested amount for that $28,500.

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This is for exterior facade improvements. Uh the lower ranking project in the North Sierra is 897 North Summit with a score of 25. That requested total amount is $12,414.95. I just want to make a note the CRA North funds available right now currently are

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$165,35 and there were no housing applications uh this year submitted. >> And how much did we have available on that? Was it 50,000? >> I'm sorry. >> How much in the housing did we have? >> About 50,000. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And the South CRA the commercial

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priority overview have high ranking project at 113 North Summit. The score was 75 with a requested amount of $8,100. This is to replace the longstanding the iron or steel signed out the end of town >> and that's going to be salsa

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>> not 113 it's 11 >> should be it's the very it's probably 13 >> okay >> okay the CRA funds available for that was 37,102 and there was no housing applications submitted in the south as

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well central this year is where we had u the most demand and the lower amount of funds. >> I have a question. Um, at the workshop, it was my suggestion and is it possible that we could just discuss and make a

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decision on the south CRA before we go into the the central that has a lot of locations. It's very complicated. Um, could we possibly just discuss the SouthCA single application while it's in

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front of us and >> if that's what the commission wants to do, if that's your pleasure for both. >> That's what I was thinking. And I had a question. There have been several different iterations. Um, I'm trying to find the SouthC

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recommendation. It looked like Okay. Okay. So, there is I saw some piece of paper I thought said give ARPA money to the Summit Street Express for the sign. I didn't see any need for that. Um because there's more money in

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the South CRA than the person's asking for. Um I just don't see any reason why we wouldn't go ahead and fully fund their request. Yes. Uh with Could we get the correct address for this? [clears throat]

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>> It'll be fixed. >> Commissioner Lori able to look that up. >> It's I have it somewhere. >> Um we could have the correct address. >> Oh, are you on the Are you on the There's a

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>> There's a priority overview sheet that 551 South Summit. >> That's it. So, um I would >> 551 South Summit. Okay. So, we'll scratch that out. 55 >> South Summit.

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>> Okay. And the name of the build uh the name of the business is the Summit Street address. Correct. >> Summit Street Express. >> Summit Street Express. Sorry. Um, so I move that um

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we approve the application for a CR grant by the Summit Street Express at 551 South Summit in Crescent City um for

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restoration of their sign um in the amount of $8,100 full funding as recommended by city staff. >> Second. >> Okay. So, we have a proper motion and a second.

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>> This is for 113. >> No, the address is wrong. It's south. >> Yeah. >> Right. It's the >> south. >> It's at the corner of South South Prospect and >> Junction. >> Well, and

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Prospect Prospect and >> it's South Prospect, but it's on Summit. It's on the highway. It's the first thing you hit on the right coming into town. >> Yeah. 551's also, >> right? It's a little convenience store that sells chicken. >> We talked about the

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number. >> Did you do a second? Did you? >> Yes, I did. >> Okay. So, we have a proper motion um by Commissioner Devito. And is that from looking at this, is that the amount that we need to fund based on the bids that come? I mean, I know that's what they requested.

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>> Yes, ma'am. What was your re Where's the recommendation? What's the recommendation? Um, it's mayor, it's on page three of the latest document the city manager gave us that he recommended the 8,100. >> I don't have the document with the

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different apparently there were two bids. I'm looking at a prior document. There was a bid for 8,938 and then there was a bid from another contractor for 8,100. Okay. So,

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>> and as we go through here, we can see all of the estimates that are on on here. So, >> do we usually approve I made the motion for the lower bid because that's what the city >> that's what they recommended. Okay. So, we have a proper motion by Commissioner

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Devito to fund it at the staff recommendation. >> We have two bids up there. >> And then we have a second by Commissioner Lori. Do we have any further discussion? Yes. >> Yes, ma'am. So the note that the idea of spending the ARPA money is that we have to spend this money by December 31st.

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This particular project falls right in line with the uh the intent of the ARPA. I figured that if we use the ARPA money for these projects, we could roll over the funds and stack the funds for next year for other projects, including projects that are on our goals and objectives for the CRA, which would

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include some historical um tourism at some of the parks. uh mainly over here right now. It's in the budget, which we we're going to get to that next week in our in our uh meeting that's set up, but having a historical venue for our old jail, the wheel, the water wheel, the

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the park, there's some other monies that we can utilize for that. So, I was hoping to stack because I don't have a lot of money in the south and that that was that was the idea. >> But I don't think you can you commission. >> I think you're about to address what I was going to ask. I'm sorry. One is public. It's a public building

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>> and I don't know that with these funds that you have that that you could do that and that's not in the South CRA. >> Yes, it is. >> Is that is it is that the mapping is really awkward but it's there and it wouldn't necessarily be on the building the it's more or less the

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wheelhouse the concrete work for sidewalks putting in benches and and wayfinding and signs because I wanted to combine projects to have the arburitum down there and clear out the area for the lakefront. That's a great idea, but I but I'm not sure with the facade grant

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monies that we've as as it's laid out. I'm not sure that we could do that, but that's a great idea. We have to and and look into that and see what our restrictions would be. >> Okay. >> Um it's in our CR plan and I think we have

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to we would have to appropriate in next year's budget. And I think that's what he's getting at. is not spending it this year, letting it roll over for next year to have more money to use on the CRA project that's in the CRA plan. >> Right now with the trim and using last year's 8.71 for our tax for that piece

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coming in, it's it's really tight. I think I have probably around 20,000 for doing that project and it's not going to be enough. Any additional funds that I can get to it would be really helpful. That's my only my thinking on that. I think where the question is and I and I

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understand what the mayor is saying. Um these funds, these CRA funds are are not used to just build parts and put stuff in. They're used to actually uh do facads and things like that. So I'm not

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sure who defined that and gave it that >> that this is how we use the money for, right? Um but it would seem to me now I might be wrong. Um, would we have to make some kind of change in how that money was spent?

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>> We would we would budget it for next year's budget. Let it roll over because it's in our CRA plan. When we established the CRA plan, we were the ones with the community that came up with all the ideas and one of them was a waterfront area there at Sunrise Park with the

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>> master plan. [clears throat] the master plan which is also the story plan um was part of it and and that was one of the ideas and we brought it up but I just want to make sure that that's >> but and that's and as long as it's in your CRA plan you can spend CRA money in

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fact it has to be in the CR >> well it has to be okay so this is kind of a this is new to us um my concern is and my actually city manager's recommendation and my thought

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was in the central CRA where I didn't make the motion to use the ARPA funds for Summit Street Express. It didn't specify in the final recommendation. Um my hope was we have way more applications for commercial projects for

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Central Avenue which is greatly in need of facade assistance and the ARPA funds for sure can be used for that and I think there are enough um requests for that money that businesses could benefit

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in the central CRA from that ARPA funding otherwise we would be um funding very few of Um and as well we can use better place plan funds for a park project. Um

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that's an option. I'm pretty sure so my suggestion would be to try to benefit as many businesses as possible. We went out solicit their applications. Many of them are showing that they are in need particularly our historic

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structures. So, I would just assume go ahead. We've been contemplating um the use of CRA funds and and this is a whole new idea. So, I I would I think I would just like to go ahead and use the SouthCA funds toward this. We have a

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proper motion in a second. Do we have any comment on this? Do we have any comment on this for the South CRA? >> If we have no comment, Madam Clerk, could you do a roll call for us, please? >> Commissioner, >> hi. [clears throat] Vice Mayor Lori.

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>> Hey Mo. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Burton. >> Nay. Mayor Myers. >> I bridge. That still would leave you with $29,000

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um in the South CRA >> to roll over >> to roll over. >> Correct. >> Okay. So >> and and we we'll be doing some work on finding out the ins and outs on that. I should have the answers and I apologize. >> And also and and another thing too is to look into what type of of historical

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grants that restoration project. >> Yes. Okay. >> Absolutely. >> So let's move on to the central. So as I was saying before, this is the one that has the most projects. Um and and it has very little funding availability. Um, we

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had, I believe, six projects that were, uh, high ranking. Those projects ranked from 83 to 93 on our score. Um, and uh, and range in cost from 37,000 all the way down to um, I believe $12,000. So,

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we're looking at roof repairs all the way down to painting. We had, I believe, an additional um six um projects that scored below 65 to 33, which were our lower ranking projects. The available

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funds in the central CRA are $22,693. We've already completed some work this year, and that is the remaining amount. We did have two residential priority or priority overviews, two residential um projects, one at 19 North Main

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requesting 8,350 for a new roof. And on the lower end um at 504 Florida Avenue, ranking a score of 33 with request of $9,149. Being these are residential, there's there's issues with both of them. um on

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the higher ranking 19 North Main um the city staff would like to see that that property brought within um within code when it comes to the aesthetics of the property. Um and on the lower ranking residential project, the reason it's lower ranking is it was at one time a

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historical structure. That structure has now been removed and the new house is in there. the the the thing that that votes well with that particular property is that the owners have gone above and beyond to maintain that property, uh clean that property up and put a lot of

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money into that property. They're looking for help to continue um to do so through this program. >> Um there's a couple things we can do as we get into the into the ins and outs and the projects. We uh of course they don't meet they that's $10,000 max but

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it's also 50% match >> $5,000 could say up to $5,000 is that a match >> up to 5,000 is no match at all. Now the 9,149 is flooring and painting. So we could technically give them $5,000 without a

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match and they could get one of those items done and that's something that you guys would have to decide. Um, I'm going to just go through real quick. Those were >> to me it seems easier to I mean the city manager suggested we defer this, which I

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am fully open to because it is now going online, but quick question about these two properties. It's my understanding that for one of them there was a lack of insurance issue. Was that one or both?

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Are they eligible or not eligible because of um the insurance issue? >> I believe it was one of the houses and part of that issue is is the roof um and that was the reason for >> So the higher ranking one has an issue [clears throat] with the roof because

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they can't get in the building's not insured. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> But there are other major structural issues with that building and I'm not sure of their of their investment for the future. I don't know. I couldn't tell you. I I I know from the other property um from what they've put in and

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the other grants that they've received that that building has been updated significantly the residential structure >> the one at on Florida Avenue >> the lower scoring yes ma'am yes ma'am >> so and there's if I could yes so there's

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we allocated six there was 16,975 available >> available yes ma'am >> okay So, for the 19 North Main Street, are you saying you said staff wants to see it brought up to code, but um are

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you saying with CRA money or >> No. >> No. You So, it it seems like you're not really recommending 19 North Main. >> Would I? >> At this time, at this time, I'm not recommending 19 North Main Street. >> So, it's okay. And this is I'm not sure

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the ranking is helping us if you're not really recommending it. The reason the ranking is high, ma'am, is because that's a contributing structure. And so the $8,350 request would be a non-match, >> right? Okay. >> They have up to$10,000 that they could

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get out of out of that grant, >> but we could move on the 504 Florida Avenue. >> Yes, you could. >> My recommendation would be to move on that and at least give them $5,000. >> That's not a historical structure. >> It is not. And that's why it's you can get 10,000 max, but you have to match

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50%. Sorry, [clears throat] mayor. I'm sorry, ma'am. >> It was built in 1995. >> Uh, I believe they redid the building and built in in in the '90s. Yes. >> Well, it's my understanding that we're saying that if this building is improved that the family will move in. Is that

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correct? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Have you seen the building inside and out? >> Well, we tooured the outside. I have not seen the inside. [laughter] No, no. I'm talking about 504. >> We're down to the next one. >> We're talking about

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Uncle Joe's old brother there at the corner. >> Right. That's the one I'm saying the staff is representing to us that if the building is sufficiently improved that the family who inherited it would move in. >> Yes. So, my motion was going to be um to

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move that we um provide up to 9,149 for residential improvements to 504 Florida Avenue at the option of the owner if they would like to provide the

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50% match. and if they don't that we grant them $5,000 with no match for whatever whichever part of the application they choose to proceed with if they would like to do that

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>> motion >> that was that was your motion we have a proper motion in a second do we have any other discussion on this I will say that immediately the entire family they they went in there on that property and they've been very

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responsible and they've contacted me at any type there has been an event to make sure that there's been no activity and they work very closely with the um sheriff's office as well um because they're trying to make this turn this into a home that they can live in. So,

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okay, if there's no other discussion, do we have any comments? Okay, if there are none, then if you do a roll call for us, please. Um, Commissioner Burton, >> hi. >> Commissioner Moore, >> hi.

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>> Vice Mayor Lori, >> hi. >> Commissioner, >> I thank you. All right, so we're going to move forward. I want to dive into a little bit on these other buildings. This is going to be in the central. This is where a lot of focus is at. I've

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given you all our recommendations. Um and those recommendations are basically um to ensure what's the most impactful use of the resources especially within the the central CRA. If you look at this project overview, this is a historical and targeted building built 1922. The

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original use as a bank. Um the CRA valuation score was an 88. We have all of the quotes here that were um obtained and um and what we're looking and asking for um I believe was the uh 13,000 500 some odd dollars. Maximum grant

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award, no match needed, is $20,000 for this project. Do want to make it um clear and I'm not really sure if um the owner of this building uh has been given the information. I think the city moving forward to the plan for the CRA is to get the information to these individuals that have the historic buildings and and

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let them know about the possible um federal income tax credit. And I know this is something that has been discussed um in the preservation circles. And I want to make it clear that um you know CRA wants us to do things that are are going to be good for the community but also help the

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historic, but we also don't want to tie down the hands of the owners. I think it's up to the owners um to make those decisions. But we also have to make sure that we have our our ordinances correct for historic preservation. >> Mayor, if I could, our guidelines say

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very clearly that we are not to award funds for work. Work on historical buildings cannot be such that the result would be to remove the property from eligibility for historic designation. or said another way, the improvements can't remove or alter historic character or

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elements of architecture. And the application um I mean that's [clears throat] pretty straightforward. Uh the application for 338 central um is for restoration for [clears throat]

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changing out the windows. Um my question about that I mean the city manager um and I think Bonnie did the work to ask what kind of windows from someone they verified that they are the the windows

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are what it's on one of these pieces of paper they're the original woodframe windows correct right >> that is my understanding >> yes so um [snorts] you know my feeling about this one is that if we make an award, we need

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to keep to the requirements and um I think you need you should get um approval from the state historic preservation officer [clears throat] or whatever that the materials that you're

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using um meet the historic standard. >> So when this came up, we did reach out to the state. Uh the answer that I got back from the state and I I'm waiting for it in writing, but the conversation was that if it was not a national

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historic registered marker that the same rules did not apply just if if it was on a map that was a contributing structure. >> No, I don't think that's true. And my concern about it is this particular building was deemed by the original survey in the late 90s to be National

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Register eligible. And regardless if the owners of the buildings that are contributing structures would submit their plans to the state historic preservation officer before they start the work, they could

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get the information about the federal historic tax credit and they would potentially be eligible for it for all the work that they do on the building. So, um, it just seems to me that that is

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a step they should be taking because a they would get confirmation that they're doing what is required in our grant requirements, not removing or altering historic character elements of the architecture and they might find that they were eligible for tax credit for I

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think it's >> a large tax credit. >> What what was that? It can be quite a big tax credit, >> right? Because that wouldn't just work. It wouldn't just apply to what they're asking for a grant from us. And I think I mean this is just I looked it up. It's something like um 20% on federal taxable

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income for 5 years. So that that is a potential benefit to these properties beyond what we can give them. But they can't get it if they don't go through the state historic preservation officer to have their construction.

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>> Okay. Did you did you when when Bonnie did she do that? Did she talk to the state? Did she ask the state to come in and and to look at the >> Not not to come in and not to come in and assess it? No. Um we contacted the state. >> They don't do that. Well,

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>> yeah, we contacted the state and then we also contacted the main inspector for the uh city of St. Augustine for historic preservation. Uh St. Augustine has significant amount of older buildings and we were also instructed by him that um if the if the structure was

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not nationally registered that the rules did not apply the same. >> Okay. But that's missing the whole point. >> That's missing the whole point. >> I'm just telling you what he said. I understand. >> If I could just finish. Commissioner Lori and I went to several seminars last

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year where the person in Tallahassee in the state historic preservation offic's office, the person who processes these applications informed us that you talk to them on the phone and they have a paper application that you send in. They

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don't come down here and inspect buildings. people all over the state apply and there's a standard application form. >> Okay. >> And it's not that it's not allowed, it's that it would take away from the historic integrity of the building which would invalidate any chance of him

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getting historic Yes. tax credits. So, I mean, and plus our rules in our grant program says we can't fund this because that's taking away from historic character. Now, um Rick, I know you're here. Um, but there is a place in Orlando called

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Austin Historic and they actually do a great job of you fixing old and restoring old windows and the CRA >> the CRA would finally share the cost with you on doing those. Um, >> final windows that are priced there are

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to match the the wood windows. >> Would you come would you would you come I'm sorry if you'd come forward. This is >> so I'm trying to match the existing windows. It's going to be double hung. It's going to match the the muttons that

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are there. So, I mean, to do this process that you're talking about, it sounds like I would need to put in wood windows or repair the existing, right? >> I mean, the cost on doing that is going to be

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>> big bucks. Do you have I mean, do you have a cost? No, but I I imagine it would be $40,000 or something. I mean, it's going to be a lot of money to make >> custom wood windows. >> I dealt with them. They came to my house and look at my house out of Orlando.

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>> Yes, they came to my house >> and um >> You're correct. It's very It is very It is very costly and um and I had but I had eight windows that I needed to close. But it is when you're when you're

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looking at doing the restoration of the windows and that's basically what they would be doing is coming in and they would restore the windows. >> Yeah. I mean it's >> all the joinery and [clears throat] you know priming and I mean that's you know premium wood that they would be using.

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It's it's very expensive. We we have talked before about how much money it would take for people to maintain a building in historical prime. You know, I mean, everything's historical. The windows are kept

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historical, the doors and everything. And quite quite frankly, I I don't I don't know that many people have that kind of money to do that. And I'm not going to say maybe this does not belong in the grants because it's a historical

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building or whatever, so we should throw them out or throw it out. But but I guess all I'm going to say is it's not against the law for him to move forward the way you want to do it. >> Yeah. I mean, I would I would like to put in I think these windows would be

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superior because they're not going to weather weathered like wood with would windows. Uh, I mean, I would definitely prefer to have some help with these windows. Um, >> I I don't think I would pursue the

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historical UR >> and Well, but how much work I mean, you anticipate doing more work on the building than this, correct? >> Oh, yeah. >> Right. So my my suggestion would be and I would be much more comfortable because

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no one has asked so we don't know if you would contact the historic preservation office and ask whether the proposed windows that you want to put in would be acceptable whether they would approve those. Maybe they would say yes

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>> and then you would be on the road. I mean you would have some guidance. We would have some guidance. I would think it would be helpful. >> But are aren't I mean you're making this decision today. I mean this if I >> not necessarily

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we're limited in the funds too. So for the central we might have to we going to go through >> what I was going to ask is go if we could go to the north look at the north end on the commercial side and then we table the central for another meeting. >> I I really think we should table this because uh it's going to be 9:00. We

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have plenty to do here and this has turned into historical >> and I think that's something that you need to do. >> Well, I'll call Let me call up historical and see if they have a problem with the vinyl windows. If they don't have the number contact

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>> and see that what it does to the integrity of the building. >> Gotcha. >> And I think that's with Bonnie's got some more homework to do with this on >> Okay. I agree. >> There just there's a lot of projects on very little money. There's a lot of projects. So, I'm going to recommend

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that we go to the north. We've got two projects in the north and we also had no um >> no residential in the north. >> Correct. >> Um >> so this is um the 915 to 925 North Summit. Um this is a targeted building

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year built 1974. It's general retail CRA valuation scores at a 68. requested repairs are for facade improvements. Um you can see the contractor bids. We have three. Um we did verify these contractors. All the

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contractors were verified of their insurance and their licensing. Um maximum grant award in this area is $160,000. [clears throat] Um there was a second and uh this is a building not targeted or historical. Um

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we reached out to them. Uh we thought that uh it would be good use of CRA funds to try to spruce up the building. Uh we did not get enough uh quotes on this. We had a quote from one company. We feel that there are several more that given a little bit more time, we could

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probably get more quotes and help them out. The CRA valuation for this one was a low score of 25. We had a low number for a flat aluminum sign of $12,000. Um this is a match grand award of 10 with a 50% match. We're not recommending this one for this year. And we've already

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had it that was painted with CRA money >> years past. Yes. >> To a couple years. >> Yes, ma'am. Yes. Yes, ma'am. >> Mayor, if I could. Yes. Wait. I'm not I just don't quite understand why we're you're not recommending the sign for the

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pharmacy because Say that again. >> Well, we don't have number one. I I think that a flat aluminum sign that's less than 20 ft long is is too much for $12,000. I think we could do better with getting the price. I only have one company that quoted an LED versus a flat

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aluminum and I think the price is way too high. I have a >> It was two quotes. They had two sign companies. I think Express did, not them. >> Okay. >> Express down here on the south end, >> right? >> Okay. So, and they were different companies. >> Is she willing? And the other thing,

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too, is she willing. She'd have to do a 50% match. We would only fund up to $10,000. Is she willing? Did did Bonnie get that from her whether or not she would be willing >> Bonnie had told me yes she'd be willing to to to match? >> I'm going to share that us going through

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this and I've shared this with you and I just with the fellow commissioners. This is um I'm disappointed that Bonnie that Bonnie's not here tonight and going through this. She's the one that's been working with all of these applicants

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>> and so I'm just gonna share that my sentiments. Yes, ma'am. >> I'm a little disappointed. >> Um, a lot disappointed. So, let's go back to the parking lot. We've got the parking lot.

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>> This is for the facade improvements. >> Parking lot. We've got the facade on. >> They They have plans for doing their parking lot. They've already spent about a quarter million dollars on the building. AC's, roof. Um, all of those items have been done. The facade, you all have seen what uh what this is going

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to look like on the bottom side. um for that shopping center. It's going to attract more businesses. It's going to attract people to come in and use the area. Next also for them is going to be the parking lot. That's a really big deal right at the beginning of our city coming in from the north end heading south. Uh coming right into our city.

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So, >> and I think the next phase is actually the roof. >> The roofing tiles they said replaced with stainless then they're going to do the parking lot. >> Then they're going to do the parking lot. You are correct. >> So the maximum grant of >> max grant is $160,000.

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Right. And there's actually 100 I'm looking at the sheet here 160 165,000 35 is in the north CRA fund. >> Correct. if I could just to share one thought that I have.

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>> Um I was concerned about spending all but $5,000 of the North Sierra funds. Um because they built up over time and we use them for lockside very substantially. Um and I'm hoping that we

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can get a sign out the CRA fund sign. But um when I look at the annual income to the North CRA, it looks like it's going to have a substantial income for next year. So those funds would be

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substantially replenished. McDonald's >> that's >> right. So, um that makes me more comfortable about um using it using almost all the funds that we allocated

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this year because they will be replenished. >> So, it's a [clears throat] motion. >> Somebody make a motion. >> I move that we approve the um project at the Save Lot Plaza 915 to 925 North

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Summit Street for $160,000 grant award. I'll second it. >> Okay, we have proper motion and a second. Commissioners, do you have any comments on this? Um, I I'll just say that, you know, I know Save a Lot and and I've been in

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conversations with them and they're they're they've just redone their freezers this week and they're working hard um and plan to revamp the entire store and and bring it up to what they

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feel are the standards that everyone is looking for in there. Um, but the parking lot's an issue. And here we're willing to give them basically the bank on this >> and the parking lot they have no plan. I

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mean go out there and fill the potholes. >> I mean and make it easier to where people will walk will go through there. People avoid that parking lot because of the potholes and what it does. >> You can't Yeah. You can't drive through it. So, I mean it's it's it's creating

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an issue for the businesses that are there because people, you know, and I and it's not from the businesses. I hear it from residents all the time. >> So, you know, I have a concern that we're not that we're not

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their idea is not what you think is the most um beneficial for like tenants of the parking lot and the customers. >> Yeah. I I I think that the parking lot that there there's some fixes that they could do until they're ready to resurface the entire parking lot.

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>> Well, we're here. >> Yeah. And we and we share and we shared that with them. >> They don't think people look at that. I look at the parking lot, >> you know, so I drive through it. So anyway, I'm just I'm just saying that that as we go forward with this that um

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that I have some concerns and um and I hope they do have that in their plan. I think it would be beneficial to the residents. I think it would also be beneficial to the tenants that are in there >> to where that parking lot is um is is able to do that. But with that, if we

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have any more do we have any public comments on on this one before we vote? Well, I have a question. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Has anyone spoken with them about restoring or removing the paint from all

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that lime rock? >> They're taking it all down. They're removing all the lime rock >> and replacing it with brick. And then yes, it's going to look a lot better because you can't >> you can see the render. You probably can't see it, but see where they've got it where they're bricking those where

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they're >> going to remove all of it on all those columns because it does look awful. And that's what we talked about when we did the site visit. And so they're probably going to take it down. >> So they're going to take the lime all >> Yes. >> all the large pebblestones are coming down. It's going to be replaced with brick facade

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and new paint, new color. And that's what we're helping fund is the facades, you know, because it does look awful. It would have been great if they had never painted it. >> It definitely needs a faceelift, but she's right at the parking lot.

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>> Yes. [clears throat] >> Can we can we have Mr. Frankle come up and talk real quick to that effect on the parking lot? >> Mr. Frank, you can come up and speak. Thank you. Just say a little bit earlier. >> Okay, that's the same.

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Lovely. Hey, [clears throat] I'm Craig Frankle. I'm representing the ownership of uh the 915 North Summit. We do understand your concerns about the parking lot, but as you stated in the previous meeting, we have phases for this um project. The

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first one was the roof repair, which we spent over $200,000 this year on repair and we're about 50,000 into HVAC upgrades um for couple of the new tenants that we have in now. So, [clears throat] as we gather cash flow

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through um the occupancy of this building, then we'll be able to put more money back into the project. But right now, we've kind of hit our limit on the year. Plus, if we get [clears throat] this grant, we're going to put in another uh $48,000. So, we'll be over 400 million bucks plus

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400,000 this year of maintenance. Um, we did get the parcel lot priced out and that's a couple hundred,000 itself. So, when we initially thought about the project, we think that you see it from the road before you get in the parking lot. And I'd rather get

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you in the parking lot than not get you in the parking lot. And so that is part of the next phase, but it's not something we contemplate doing within this 2026 year. >> What about filling the potholes? >> Um, from what I've been told through the

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property manager is we have filled the potholes and we do it about once a year. I've been on the project a little less than a year, so I haven't seen that, but we have talked about it and he said it's something they do once a year. So that is something that we can definitely do.

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I don't think that'll hold us back. Um, but a full a full new grade is a little over our budget at this time. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> Okay. And then you do a roll call for

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ready. >> Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Warren. >> Hi. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Veto. Hi. Mayor Myers. Hi. So, I'm only doing it

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save a lot and family dollars and the other business tenants. >> Would you all like to table the rest or do you want to continue to go through any of them? You want to table the rest of the central? The south and the north are taken care of. There were no housings in there. So,

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>> yes. No. >> Yeah. cuz you still got a bunch of scope. >> Okay. >> But we need to do this. >> So ASAP >> we're going to do it um I think we would do it on the 20th with Mr. Taylor. >> Okay. >> If we if we're going to do that to do

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that, we're having a special meeting with Mr. Taylor on the 20th at 11 and immediately following Mr. Taylor's presentation, we'll take these up. >> I will >> by then when you have all the homework done. Yes, ma'am. And and I and I will have this updated and sent to you all. I

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want to tell you I'm I'm all for utilizing especially for those commercial properties in central all of the ARPA funds. We have to use them before December 31st and we can roll those funds to next year. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, I need a motion.

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>> I move that we um continue table this until the special meeting on July 20th or table the central CRA grant awards. And we have a proper motion and a second to table this

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>> yes to the um workshop that I mean the special meeting that we're having on July 20th. >> M you do a roll call for ma'am. [clears throat] >> Commissioner >> I vice mayor >> I >> commissioner >> I commission

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>> I may approve. Thank you. >> Are we do this before or after? after Taylor >> after Mr. Taylor and for those of you that are in the audience for this um and have been here this afternoon and I apologize for the amount of time that it's taken. This is we knew this was

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going to be a long agenda but um this it's a little more convoluted than the central because of all the projects that we have and and a little bit of money that's available. So, thank you for your patience and we'll see you hopefully on the 20th. Okay, with that, um, if we're

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done, I'm going to go ahead and we're going to close out our TR and we're going to open up our regular schedule meeting. Let's go to our public hearings. We've got resolution um number [clears throat] 202607. >> Yes, ma'am. This is for a uniform we

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reduction policy and Mr. wants to read out our resolution have two resolution number 20267 resolution of the city commission of the city of Crescent City Florida adopting a uniform reduction policy for federal

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enforcement cases providing for strict requirements establishing uniform criteria and procedures providing for conflicts providing for severability and providing for an effective date. I move that we approve resolution 22607

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proper second a proper motion. >> A second. >> Okay. So, we have a proper motion in a second. Okay. Commissioners, let's discuss this. You have Go ahead, Commissioner.

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>> Um, I have read this and I have just a significant concern. I just don't I don't think this makes us any more uniform than we've ever been. Um, and I said before,

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I mean, the strict criteria is still subjective. A lot of it I is a list of criteria that our code officer uses in communicating with people who have received code

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citations before they come to the hearing. And I just feel like this ties our hands to timely hear and allow a buyer or a seller to close on a sale on those distressed properties,

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particularly in cases of hardship that are so problematic for the city. Sometimes we have those distressed properties and their homestead or I mean essentially our only alternative if

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there's no sale is to uh foreclose [clears throat] which is extremely expensive. Um, so being able to quickly, you know, uh, reduce a lean and bring a buyer and a seller together, uh,

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sometimes that solves all our problems and is well worth giving up $55. I mean, I just >> So, where in here are you finding that that's going to be that that would be um, >> well, it says prohibited or that would

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create a problem for us? Well, what I read is that we there's a lot of things we can't do. Am I looking at the wrong document? I thought it said that we can't forgive um we can only reduce a lean 90%. They

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won't schedule anything for a commission hearing until the application is fully complete. I I don't really understand that. >> Well, that should be I mean you you of anybody you ask that everything be complete. So that that should absolutely be complete before they come to us.

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>> It doesn't say before they come to us. It says before they can be on the agenda and we have >> be coming for it. >> I I just I don't think this is particularly helpful. Don't most land reduction cases go to the code

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magistrate. >> The magistrate they do, but that's >> right. Um I don't know. I just >> I don't it Okay, here it is. limitations on reduction. Administrative costs are not eligible. All other cases may not

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exceed a maximum 90% reduction. Um, I mean, I think these are fine for guidelines, but um, we've had some really bad properties that are causing the city a problem and because we had the flexibility to take a

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hearing quickly when a buyer was present with cash in hand, um, there's a property I look at almost every every week on Orange Avenue where we did that. there was a buyer and um the seller was

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in great distress. There had been a death in their family and we did that very quickly. Um we had adequate documentation. Um okay, >> we had perfectly adequate documentation. I just I hate to see us. >> So let me ask you this. Do you have some

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suggested language to where that would be its own? And Mr. those. Is there something that we could have in here that when it comes to um a distressed property and there is a buyer that we could have um a [clears throat] separate a separate

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um I mean I I do opportunity for that. >> I do have language but I'm I'm just I don't think this is particularly uniform. I think our code officer already has guidelines. Um I have language but I don't know that it would

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forgive every case. I wrote we can forgive administrative costs um 100% of lean amount and abatements if we deem it beneficial for the neighborhood or the city or uh it brings about a financial

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savings to the city. Um but >> so code enforcement can't reduce the link. code enforcement officer doesn't have the authority to produce >> right >> by statute only you can your code >> magistrate can make a recommendation >> yes

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>> but your magistrate's going to be bound by whatever guidelines or policies you pass as to giving yourself unbridled discretion to forgive everything you can but remember at some point you're going to run out

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money to >> to operate your code enforcement program if you don't collect anything from your code enforcement action. But if you're, you know, if that's not something you consider to be a risk, then you know, but if you have the ability to and when

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you do it for one, how are you going to decide not to do it for everybody? >> If you if you can if you can give 100% reduction of lean, no administrative costs, no cost of obeyment to me, then why can't you do it for him? And if I'm

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him and you don't do it for me, I >> I have I agree with you and we've just recently that's and I I still have heartburn over it because we've recently done that and and I I have heartburn over it. However, >> um I we need to we need to do something.

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We've got to establish we have to establish a policy. Correct. >> So I'm asking do we have some recommendations? Do you have a recommendation that in a situation where [clears throat] somebody we have an active buyer who is telling us assured us that they're going to go in and clean

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up the property? Do you have language that we can add into this resolution? >> Yes, I do. And I'll read it again. I said um I guess the city or the commission can forgive administrative

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costs 100% of the lean amount and cost of basement of abatements sorry if the commission finds it beneficial for the neighborhood or the city and a financial savings to

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the city that has nothing to do with whether or not they have an active buyer. >> Well, I think that would go into it. We wouldn't have >> So, you'd have to add that that that would be an active buyer that you have an active buyer and not the not the general. I mean, because that would be that would be every lean we have out there.

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>> That'll apply to every lane you got >> because it would it would that it would be a benefit to the city. >> All you have to do is find that it's beneficial to the city. I don't know. And a financial benefit the city. I'm not sure how it's financial benefit the city, but nonetheless, all you have to do is make that filing and you can forgive every link,

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>> every code, every file. >> Okay. But it can't be beneficial to the city if someone is not going to >> buy and clean up the property. >> But that's not what you didn't include that language in there. >> You see what I'm saying? And it would have to say it would have that language

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would have to include that if there is an active sales contract >> that you have an active sales contract and a commitment from the new buyer that he was going to do that and I'll I'll accept that as an amendment. I

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>> can't do that in the Okay. So in the case where a dist a property has an active buyer with a commitment to clean up the property, we can forgive administrative costs 100% of

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the lean amount and abatements if the commission deems it beneficial for the neighborhood or the city or a financial savings to the city. And I don't understand why Don says, I mean, we've never done this. We don't just forgive

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leans to forgive leans. We forgive leans because there is someone ready, willing, and able to clean up the property. And most of these distressed properties, that's our only alternative. It's so much more cost-effective to let the

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[clears throat] buyer come in than what else would we do? foreclose on something that is not worth very much. We have properties that we've owned in the past and that that's not a good route to take. You can really have a problem with that because if you just for forgive it,

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right? Say, well, now I have a buyer and you you just say, you know, you're going to come in and clean up the property, so we'll let it go. They come in and don't clean up the property. What have you really what have you really done? has to also include instead you take you take the the money.

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>> Okay. And then if they clean it up, if you want to reimburse it or something like that, that's fine. But too many people around here buy the property and the property gets worse. >> But we have to make the finding that it

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will be beneficial. The example would be um the Dunkin Donuts. We reduced that fine significantly. >> Um the >> no he paid $25,000 >> but but the lean was substantially more.

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It doesn't say all I am saying is we have had situations where we were fortunate that we could do a lean reduction and we got rid of an isore and someone cleaned it up. If you don't want to have any flexibility and you want to

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have properties continue to be in distress and turn away buyers because they're not willing to wait 60 days, then fine. But um we this would allow us to continue with our past practice of

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taking an opportunity and getting rid of a problem. [clears throat] >> I think we need to obviously work on this. So, I'm Can I table this? >> We've got a I have a proper motion in a second. >> I I think we ought to

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>> We're not gonna finish this if we keep >> I have a We have Okay, we have a proper motion in a second. So, if you want to table it, somebody's going to have to pull their motion. >> No, you can table with motion the table. >> I amend your Amend your motion. >> I I move that we table this until the

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August meeting. What what changes would you like to see made? >> Talk to her. >> Okay. Legal legal has gone through this. Um >> but she has a disagreement in what says. So you need to take her input and figure something better out because this is not ready.

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>> No, we don't need to take her input and figure something else out. We can take some recommendation and we can have some proper language that can be recommended to us. You have some >> I have some problems too. the where the fourth wear fifth warehouse crawls down

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says talks about forgiveness through the 14-day rapid compliance category and I thought we took that >> I thought we took that out >> solution I'll work on the guidelines >> yeah I'm just saying that >> I have that I have that marked in mine too >> and then there's the part that's in here

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on the on the policy that's in red I guess you added that >> I did >> okay but the part that's here it's like conversational I didn't know what >> on the second page of the red Oh, I I thought what I was doing was critiquing [clears throat] his policy, >> right?

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>> So, he sent it to me for >> So, yeah. So, we're um >> Yes. >> the old what you had in there was um the denials and I just made note since the commission's decision is final and it is under 72. There really isn't any

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authority which should appeal to can be filed other than the court. So, >> I mean that that that doesn't need to be part of the actual policy. So I said, >> well, I just said you could provide for a request for reconsideration if you wanted to. So that's what I was done was just that was my comments to uh the city

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manager. Um and um that part was the red above that was factors that >> that I suggested that you could and it says factors to be considered in determining lean reduction include but are not limited to

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>> give you leeway and flexibility. But at least you have a checklist to go down instead of just saying I think this one should be reduced and I don't think this one should be reduced. And that's the whole idea of trying to provide some consistency in your process. At least that's my my

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thought. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So we currently have a a motion to defer to table this until the August 4th meeting. Um, Madam Clerk, in a second. Madam

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Clerk, would you please do a roll call for second? >> Um, who second? >> I will second because Commissioner Roy has pointed out some other issues. I will second it.

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>> Okay. Um, Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi. Hi, >> Mayor Myers. >> Hi. >> Okay. So, >> so tabled. Okay. So, resolution number

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2026-08. >> Thank you, mayor. So, this is a fire department operational command authority. This uh clarifies the fire department's command structure whenever chief officers are outside the city limits. The key provisions for this is command authority rest in the highest ranking officer physically within the

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city and present within the city um limits on and on duty. So senior officers outside the city are considered unavailable until they return. The rank is temporarily nullified for operational purposes. It establishes procedures for communication supervision and command

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transfer. The impact of course it ensures un uninterrupted leadership and improve emergency readiness. >> Would you like to read my title? >> Please. >> Sorry that was. >> Yeah. Resolution number 20268, a

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resolution of the city commission of the city of Crescent City, Florida, formalizing and clarifying the fire department's operational command authority when chief officers are outside the city limits, providing for implementation, providing for an effective date. >> I move that we approve resolution 20268.

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>> And we have a proper motion and a second by Commissioner Burton. Any discussion? I do. Nobody else is going to speak up right now. I'm going to outside sometimes the entire unit goes outside

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the city limits. >> So you I I understand why we're doing this. I understand but [clears throat] I have I I do have that because oftent times they go outside the entire unit goes outside the city limits and so so

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then we would have nobody in authority um >> if you take them outside the city limits. So when they're outside the city limits, they fall under the privy of the county and we went through that and we also adopted that through resolution before

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>> I understand what you're saying. >> Our unit does. >> Yes. >> Okay. And our fire chief, everybody when they leave the city limits. Okay. >> Yes. And so this is for when they're here. And the problem that I've had is that we are limited in in um how many

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officers or structure we have when the chief is gone or the assistant chief is gone. And so this makes it clear as to what the intention of previous chief had in place with our day captains and allows them to have the authority on

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operational command when others are not present. >> Okay. I just that was that was my only question. I just >> Yes ma'am. >> So thank you for clarifying that. >> Yes ma'am. >> And mayor if I could just make one comment and request. >> Yes. Um, wait. Is there

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is there a reference in here to exhibit A or whatever? No, there's no reference, but there's a policy attached. >> So, is that incorporated? So, he's got the policy. This is the polic >> and the resolution

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>> approving the policy. >> Okay. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. Do we have any other >> anything else? I think what you're seeing, Commissioner Devito, is right behind that. There's exhibit A. That's

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for the community service policy. >> Um, so >> no, it says fire. It says fire department. I'm just trying to figure out where in the resolution it incorporates the policy or maybe it's all in the resolution.

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Yeah. I'm not sure what >> it specifically say the man authority when the fire chief is outside city limits. >> So it it breaks it all down in the resolution. >> That's what I'm saying. What's attached is in the text of the resolution. >> Yes. >> Okay. That's right.

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>> And this policy if approved will be inserted into their overall fire policy. >> Okay. >> Do we have any public comment on this? We have no public comment. Madam Clark, if you please do a roll call. >> Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Dito >> I

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>> Lori >> I >> Commissioner Moore >> I >> Commissioner Burton >> I >> still approved let's move on to resolution 20269 >> oh you can't go wrong >> resolution 202609 a resolution of the

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city commission of the city of Christ city Florida establishing a community service policy providing for purpose applicability administration implementation and an effective I move that we approve resolution 20269. >> I'll second it. >> Okay, we have a proper motion and a

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second. We have any discussion? Mayor, I have one question. >> Okay. Um just my concern is um there's nothing in here that says I don't know there's nothing that says

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when we have volunteers. Do we just leave that up to the city manager? I don't want people to feel that they're entitled to be volunteers. Um what's the exact question? just, you know, timing. Um, I guess

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we're just leaving it up to the city manager to determine when there are volunteers. I mean, I would not want them to take away from other um you would hope they would be beneficial

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and not create extra [clears throat] work, but >> I think it pretty much says if you read through the policy and you read through that it basically says that if they're if it's a detriment, >> you know, if there's an issue, >> correct, >> then then then they can um deny them.

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But I just that's fine. >> I mean, hey, if they're volunteering, any work any work that they're willing to do, >> we don't is appreciated and we don't have to accept that, I guess. So, is the

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I guess my one question is, is the city attorney okay with it? >> Okay. I mean, >> oh, we look I did review it and uh he and yes, yes. >> All right, then. That's fine with me. Thank you.

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My only question on this was violations of safety protocols may result in disciplinary action or removal from the program. >> How would you discipline a volunteer? >> Remove that. >> So I think that I think that that's what may result in removal from the program,

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not disciplinary action because then you're going to have to get into what's a disciplinary action. >> We can take that out. Okay. I'll fix that language. >> Well, do we need to amend that? I probably going to have to to remove that >> if everyone is in agreement with that.

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Do you have that? Do you have it? >> It's not the resolution. >> It's just in policy. >> Just in the policy, >> right? Do we need to put that? Do we need to put that in the motion? >> It would be >> okay. policy.

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>> So I I'm amending my motion to include also the change in uh that the mayor pointed out. >> I'm not sure what section that was in. >> Action safety rules >> section six >> removing disciplinary action.

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>> Yes. So that's what I said. >> Okay. Do we have any um public comment on this? >> Seeing no one come forward. Madam clerk, if you'd please do a roll call. >> Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Burton, >> I. >> Commissioner Moore, >> I. >> Vice Mayor Lori,

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>> I. >> Commissioner Deo, >> I thank you. So approved. Okay, let's move on to um 2026-10. 26 >> 2026-10 a resolution of the city

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commission of the city of Crescent City, Florida authorizing the city manager and administrative staff to submit for and administer the United States Department of Agricultural USDA rural business development grant RBDG authorizing the city manager Derek

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Martin and mayor Michelle Myers to execute all required grant documents providing for conflicts providing for severability and providing for effective date. I move that we approve resolution number 2026-10. >> Okay, we have a proper motion from

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Commissioner Lloyd on a second and a second from Commissioner Burton. Having discussion, >> I just have one question. >> Is this the grant that basically has been applied for? Yes. Need the approval? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes, ma'am.

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>> And but there's another grant out there somewhere that is similar. >> That's a different grant. That's the RIFF. This one is through USDA. >> Okay. Are we going to need Have we already approved the RIFF? Are we going to need to approve it at separate date? >> What is the RIP?

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>> It's the rural infrastructure fund. Um, and is that going to come before us or what what is what's the difference between this one and that one? This one is the parking lot project, right? >> Correct. >> Okay. >> The riff project that we're going for.

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Well, you caught me off guard on that one. >> Um, >> it's been a long day. >> It's been a long day. Uh, the RIFF project is a project that has to be submitted by next Monday. Okay. >> It's not on the agenda. Um, the monies

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that we did not receive through state appropriations for our top projects, right? Our engineer CPH already has everything rolled out. One for the south tower and the other for Cherry Street. >> Okay. What we are doing and what they would what they would like to do is move forward with the Cherry Street

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application to put that in for for the RIFF. This that we're looking at is separate and this is for the world business development grant. >> All right. Okay. >> Okay. >> That's all good. Um the only thing the

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only thing I would say is that I don't know that we necessarily need to have our names in there but that >> essence of time Sorry. >> So, if you want to put that in your motion to remove the names, I don't think >> it's they're in there. Okay.

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>> Do we have any public comments on this? >> No public comments or >> Commissioner Devito. >> Hi, Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Mo. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi, >> Mayor Myers. >> I approve. >> Thank you so much. Um, let's go to

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resolution 2026-11. 202611 a resolution of the commission of the city of Crescent City, Florida setting the maximum bill rate for submitting the DR420 certification of taxable value and for developing the

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budget for the tax year 2026 2027. >> I move that we approve resolution 2026-11. I'll second. >> Okay, we have a proper motion from Commissioner Lori and a second from Commissioner Burton. Commissioners, do we have any comments?

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>> My my only comment is that the last lines is approved by the city commission of the city of present. >> I have that too. It needs to add city. So, do you want to we're going to have to put that into your motion. Also, if you look up above the whereas the second whereas but not prevent them from

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eventually adopting a lower prevent them from >> adopting a lower taken out eventually. That's [clears throat and cough] >> if you would go ahead and if you want to >> anything else. >> Does anybody have anything else on this?

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>> Well, I mean essentially we're keeping the millage rate the same. Last year this mill rate was a roll back rate. It was a roll back, >> right? This year >> um because property values are higher,

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right? According to the um >> the property appraiser. Thank you, Commissioner Roy. This will result in taxes on some properties increasing. >> Correct. So, I'm not sure what the trim I mean, the whole purpose of doing this

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is for the truth and millage notices, >> right? >> So, people know what their maximum um >> that's why we're doing tax, right? >> We always do this every year, the maximum amount, >> right? But my concern is we discussed at the budget workshop um whether or not we

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wanted to do a roll back rate. >> We could do we could do that when we adopted in >> right has put together that budget. Yeah. >> So this would give us the flexibility if we do have to stay at the same rate. >> Right. So which would count as a tax increase. >> Otherwise we could not.

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>> Right. So >> right I I know that. So my concern is that um there's always the temptation if we set it at the current rate that we [clears throat] will not do a roll back rate or even a partial roll back rate.

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>> But my other concern is we don't have enough data since we're not far enough along the budget >> um to securely make that decision. >> What is the difference? That's why that's why we're sitting at the map like we do every year. Although I do have to agree that when you get

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your trim notice, it doesn't say this is the maximum. It says if they take no action, >> this is what it could be, >> right? And then if >> you do the roll back, this is what it could be, >> right? It just makes it it's not saying that's the maximum. It's saying that this is what we're going to change it to.

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>> It just is a little misleading, but that's the true reporting in millillage. >> That's their reporting. Yeah. Unfortunately, that's not ours. >> So, do we have any other comments on this? Well, just to say that I hope that we will find ways that they will

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military when we complete the budget. >> We've had this discussion and everyone has their own opinion on that, but that's not for this. >> Right. That's my >> Yes. >> Okay. So, did you did you amend it for this?

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>> I amen. Yeah. my motion to for resolution 23611 to include the changes of the city added and then putting out the word eventually in the second where class. >> Thank you. Do we have any public comment on this?

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Seeing no one coming forward, I'll close public comment. Madame clerk, if there's no other questions, if you please do a roll call. >> Commissioner Burton, >> I may >> I may. So approved. Thank you.

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Okay, let's go to >> Madame 2602 ordinance. >> Can [clears throat] we uh can we table ordinance number 202602? >> Okay. >> I need a motion to table this. When do

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you want to table it to >> next meeting? >> To Okay. To the August meeting. >> August meeting. >> So, can I get a motion to table 20262 till next meeting? I move that we table ordinance 20262 until August meeting. >> Commissioner Mory, do I have a second? >> I'll second. >> Commissioner Burton, thank you both. Um,

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do we have any comments? >> Okay. >> That's why we're doing that. >> Well, I've gone through the draft and basically attempted to uh confirm the consistency of every

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definition in the ordinance with state statute. >> Okay. um because there were there are some phrases used that were defined and some of the definitions were slightly slightly different from what

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state statute the way they're defined in state statute >> and then I started the process of making certain that we did not uh have conflicts with the statute that with state statute that weren't allowed by the statutes. For instance, there's some state

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statutes that allow you to be tighter than but not more lenient than the stat state provisions. Um, and then there's a couple of them that allow you to basically >> which what are we which one are we talking about? >> The golf cart. >> Oh, okay. >> You have a golf cart mobility.

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>> The definitions when you read all that stuff had all kind of there all sorts of different devices in there. Some of them I was even familiar with. Yeah, >> I had to go to the statutes and find what how they were defined and and then what the state said the limitations were on them. So I told Derek I just needed a

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little more time on it especially since I was working on trying to file motions for setting us up the default and affidavit and etc. >> I'm sorry I thought we were talking about why are we >> I'm sorry I don't have agenda. >> That's okay. It's late.

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>> If you please do a roll call to defer this to the August meeting. >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Moore. >> I vice >> I commission >> I. Okay. So approve.

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>> Next would be if you're ready would be u ordinance number 2026-05. >> Right. Mayor, if I could before the city attorney reads, um just on the subject of agenda management,

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we have we have the two ordinances. One is the mass resoning and the other is a small scale comp plan amendment. We also have a significant number of business items

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um including approving moving forward with um the IT company um a couple >> so it looks like so the more we talk about it the more time we're wasting. >> No, but then my my point is um I have

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concern it is um going on 10:00. These are very significant ordinances. I think there were some people who were here to um make public comment. There's not very

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many people left here. And to me, um, I think this is the kind of thing we want to do when there are people available to ask questions they want to ask. >> Commissioner, >> very complex. Commissioner, if they chose to lose knowing that it was on the

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agenda and if that meant if that was important to them, I'm sure they would not have left. I think the people that were here were for the CRA. >> Also, we have two readings, too. >> And so, we have two readings. So on this but in the time essence of time and these two have been sitting here all

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evening. They got here at 5 something this afternoon. So let's if we can let's move forward. I need a motion. I need you to read it please Mr. Holmes. >> Yes ma'am. Ordinance number 2026-05 first reading. An ordinance of the city of Crescent City Florida providing for

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the reszoning of real property totaling totaling approximately 40.32 plus or minus acres within the city of Crescent City. had described in exhibit A. Providing for the taking of implementing administrative actions, providing for the adoption of maps by reference, repealing all conflicting ordinances,

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providing for severability, providing for non-codification, and providing for an effective >> you want to go ahead and read the next title as well. We will >> together that's if the commission so desires. >> Yes, please do. Ordinance number 202604 first reading an

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ordinance of the city of Christ city Florida adopting a small scale comprehensive plan amendment pursuant to section 163.3187 Florida statutes amending the future land use map for approximately 7.76 plus or minus acres within the city of city as described in exhibit A providing for implementing

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administrative actions providing for the adoption of maps by reference providing for conflict severability and non-conlication and providing for an effective date Markhead. I need a motion. >> Um, are we doing them in the right order? Did we do that because

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>> technically you probably should pass the comprehens. >> So, yes, the 202604 first. >> I move that we approve ordinance 20264 >> small scale comprehensive plan amendment. >> Okay. Do I have a second?

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>> Proper motion and a second. Can we do Don? We can do the Can we do a motion for the next one too since we're at the same time? >> I would prefer that you do the motion to pass the compound amendment first and then once that happens pass the result. >> Okay, go ahead. [clears throat] And just

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to clarify, the future lease amendment applies specifically to the three parcels associated with the Miller Middle School property. and we can um do you prefer us to go ahead and go through our PowerPoint or would you rather can you just give a a briefer

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summary? [clears throat] >> Just we do a summary if you'd like. Okay. >> And if we need to go to PowerPoint then at that time we will. >> Okay. Um so [clears throat] the future lane use amendment is to change uh a portion of those three partals from

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their current public buildings uh future land [clears throat] use to mixed use to be compatible with the central business district. Those are the only three properties that would be included in this amendment for the mass resoning

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that includes 40.32 acres and that includes 86 parcels. We did update the maps since we created your packets. We had someone opt out within the last couple of days. And so Martin, if you don't mind going [clears throat] to the

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next slide. >> You're looking for the map or >> Yes. Probably for the map to see where it's where they've locked it down. >> And I I'll just draw your attention to the the property that's different from the maps that you have in front of you.

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[clears throat] >> And that is this parcel here. This sits opted out. So on your your maps it shows that that's included for the final ordinance. >> That's the intersection of Limon and Summit Summit.

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>> Now is it my understanding that parcel owners have until July 20 to submit their request for opting out? >> Yes, that's correct. And we gave them that date because it's between first and second reading. Okay. >> So that gave them time if they wanted to come tonight, hear further discussion

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and then opt out, they would still have the opportunity to. Um, but that would still give us time to finalize the maps if this goes forward to the August meeting. >> Okay. >> Well, could that is this are you still presenting or is there time to ask a question?

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>> Yes. Go ahead. Yeah, question. >> So, the property that opted out most recently is that Lemon and Summit on the east side. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Do you know is it a residence or business? >> It's a business.

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>> Okay. And I saw I saw a reference in [clears throat] um the city manager's report to preparing a list of the properties that had opted out for presentation at

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planning and zoning. But do we have that list? Do we know how many properties opted out? >> Yes, as of now there are nine. And Mark, I believe it's the very last slide. yesterday when we spoke there were nine I think it was the one the one prior to

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that >> so I don't know how to I I want you to be informed but on the other hand I'm not taking an official statement but I do believe that the school district is going to be opting out as well >> well and my concern thank you for

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bringing that up because my concern is why would at this point in time why would we take it out of its current zoning and put it into and put it into this, >> right? And so that's that's why I wanted to bring it up because I believe unless something changes, they're going to be

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submitting their uh request and that's why I verified the date um because I spoke with the superintendent today and I believe that unless something changes, they're going to be opting out of both the comp plan change and the resing. Well, so if that's the case, because all

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of this property is ordinance on 20264 for that comp plan amendment is that property. >> Yes, >> that's why I wanted to bring it up. >> Thank you for bringing it up and bringing it to our attention. So, we want to um look at that look at this at this time. Is it something that we

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should go forward with with that knowledge? in several ways. >> Um >> I mean we can go through we can do the first reading of the resoning. >> Is there >> is there a benefit to the city if they

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don't opt out? Is it does it benefit the city or >> does it benefit the school or I mean I mean depends on what the school's plans are for their property. Well, if they sell, if they sell and it doesn't have to be, whoever buys it is going to have

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to go through a lot of work and pay a lot of money to [clears throat] get it to be what they want it to be, which >> Yeah. But if you change it now and whoever they sell it to doesn't like what you changed it to, they're going to have that to deal with as well. And

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that's their concern. >> So, >> are they ever going to sell it? >> It's for sale. [laughter] >> I'm just saying. I'm just It's for sale. I can't tell you that I I don't get to make that decision. That's >> above my pay grade. >> Yeah. >> And I don't I'm not officially

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announcing they're opting out. I'm just for your information in case it made any difference to you. I wanted you to know that unless something changes that we'll be submitting that to you at first of next week. >> Okay. >> We've never been contacted by the school board. They've not >> they've received all the notices.

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They've never asked a question. >> Okay. I have >> Mark I did mention to them that it might be helpful to arrange a meeting directly with you u in order that any questions they have might answer might be answered but they're concerned about uh basically

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having their options limited and uh and that's that's that was the concern that was expressed to me. So, I'm just letting you know you can proceed however you want, but >> Okay. And mayor, if I could, I also this

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reszoning the Miller Middle School property and taking it out of the public designation. Um, I believe somewhere in all this, um, Mr. parrot or the planning firm is saying

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that that's all consistent with um the 2024 vision plan, but I participated in that vision vision plan. We adopted it. I went back and looked at it and it's not clear to there are a couple things.

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It's not clear to me from the vision plan. The vision plan has the Miller Middle School site as a whole one of the six locations. Um, and it talks about uh the gymnasium and and this is the vision plan. So when

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you're putting in this analysis that this particular ordinance is consistent with the vision plan, I don't think it really is because the vision plan talks about the gymnasium and the auditorium being for public use. Um, it doesn't say

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that some of the property can't be mixed, but that was actually the part more contiguous with Central Avenue. And if you look, I mean, if you look at the drawings and the verbiage, um, they were talking about a large part of the

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property being for public use, that part that we're proposing to change. And as well um replete throughout the vision plan is the emphasis on historic preservation. And there are several

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references to historic preservation of those historic buildings on the Hill Middle School property. And the problem that I see there was the memo well from Mark. Um, and I don't know what happened to the ordinance that Commissioner Roy

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was working on except there was a memo from Mark that says we're halfway there in our land development code with a historic preservation ordinance, but we don't have one yet and you're still working on it. Correct. >> Okay. Well, well,

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>> before you before you start, I'm sorry, just one moment. We're going to run over time, so I'm going to need a motion. We've still got a lot of a lot of work to do here tonight. I'm going to need a motion to extend this meeting at this time. >> I move that we extend till 10:30.

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>> Okay. Do I have a second? >> So for preservation, >> I'm not done. >> I'm sorry. >> Do I have a second? >> I'll second. Thank you. I have a proper motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. I. >> Oppose. Nay. >> No.

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>> Okay. >> Thank you. Well, >> but we have work to do and we're required to get the work done. So, let's go ahead. Um, we need to we need to get back on track. I rescend my I resend my second.

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Um, or maybe >> you resend your second to extend the meeting. >> Yes. Um, I I am very concerned about our agenda management. Um, we have a lot to do. I think if we choose what we're

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going to do, I think everyone is tired. I think we are well past the point of being able to really intelligently discuss complex issues. Um, I would like to see us choose a couple of things on

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the business items to get accomplished and then go home and leave weighty complex problems until a time when we are less tired. I'm as intelligent as I was when I woke up this morning right now.

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>> And and I mean and I'm ready to get this I mean we have a responsibility. We have, we all knew coming into this meeting tonight that we had a very heavy agenda. Okay? We have a responsibility to get this work done >> and if we have to stay here, then we should stay here. I feel like we have a

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responsibility to get it done. And if not, you know what we're going to do is we're moving it on to another meeting [clears throat] and we're going to be in the same situation in August. >> Yep. >> Okay. But Commissioner, >> I'm continuing it till tomorrow. >> Commissioner Burton doesn't want to

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extend. So, everybody else does. So, I >> one vote. >> So, I'm here. >> I might vote with you. That's okay. That's okay, too. There's no second. >> I don't have a second. >> Marcus, you've got five minutes. [clears throat] >> You've got five minutes. Go ahead.

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>> I second. >> Okay. >> You second? >> Yeah, I >> So, you're seconding the motion to extend the meeting with >> I'm just trying to make your >> All in favor, please say I. >> I oppose. name. >> Okay. So, we're extending it for 30

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minutes. Go ahead, Mark. And out of respect for these two who drove over here, we need to listen to them. >> Yeah, that's why I'm going. >> Go ahead. >> First of all, just to keep things as sure as possible, historic preservation ordinance is a completely separate matter.

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>> That's right. And that's all we've been discussing. [clears throat] So, >> so that's in process. We have some policy issues that that we're discussing. uh back and forth, myself and Derek, and something uh some

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[clears throat] decision out of that will be brought forward for you guys to uh talk about and consider. That's really all I can say about that. There's a historic district that's already established. This does not affect >> historic district.

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>> Well, wait a minute. No, let's go. It does affect that historic district. And I have another question if I may. Mayor, I don't understand. >> We can only speak until 10:00. >> I'm sorry. [laughter]

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We extend the meeting until 10:30. >> Okay. Oh, got it. It was okay. >> There's a lot in here. There's a reference to a historic overlay, but what exactly is the historic overlay? Is

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it in the land development code? that actually already exists. So if you look at the map um >> okay but there no you're using the term historic overlay who created that term

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what does it mean >> it it designates an area where your historic regulations will apply when they're enacted. >> You've already enacted >> We already have a >> you you already have

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an or portions of the land code that address preservation. You don't have an ordinance that that will get you certified >> as certified local government. But you do in fact have a historic district, >> right?

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>> Federal government. Now you're saying we have one here, but you're also saying it has no Um, it's incomplete. It has no protections. >> That That is not what I said. >> No, >> that is not what I said. What I said is you're not it's not the the regulations

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that you currently have in place are not going to get you certified as as a certified local government. >> Okay. But Mark, you told us long ago that none of our ordinances protected any historic structures.

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So, what changed? What protections does our current land development code in fact I looked at your memo it says there's there's actually no enforcable protection there's no protection against demolition

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and I assume there's no protection there's really no one has to go before a historic preservation >> so so we're we're talking about two different things now >> really >> yes we are >> you're talking about the contents of historic preservation or I'm here to

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present a future land use amendment and a uh reszoning to the central business district. They happen to in in some areas be co-terminates. >> Yeah. >> But that's the extent,

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>> right? But you're we would be making a change that would affect significant historic structures. But we haven't implement No, we're not. Right. You're applying

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a zoning district to a property. Right. So that has absolutely no effect on existing properties >> and it has no effect on what a property

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owner is required to do. This is a zoning. So all it has to do with is future development. somebody comes forward and wants to redevelop their property, if they want to take

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or substantially modify it, these regulations have an effect, but but the act that you're taking tonight is not going to have any effect on the historic structure, right? >> But it could lead to it and it will have an effect on the historic structure for

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the ones that are currently designated as public facilities. I think it will open them up. >> That's the school, >> right? >> And they won't be required to make any changes just because of the reasoning.

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>> That's been a concern that we've heard >> they won't suddenly be required to meet all the standards of the new zoning. But but in all fairness, if it is reszoned, if the comp plan changed and the properties are reszoned, then the current uses would be non-conforming

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uses. Correct. >> The current the current use would be non-conforming. >> And if they're non-conforming, then almost all ordinances have a provision that indicate that if they're substantially damaged beyond a certain point, then they can't rebuild to the old non-conforming use. Correct.

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>> Correct. >> They have to be. So that's where the impact comes from from the school standpoint. Now I'm not objecting to you considering the comp plan. I just verified that they could opt out till the 20th >> and so you know that's that'll be for

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them to decide. I just but I didn't want you to move forward without knowing that that is being heavily considered >> and I will if you're available try to set up that meeting. >> Correct. But if you don't if you don't pass the future land use amendment

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tonight then then that all becomes ve uh you know my recommendation would be that you pass it so we can have these conversations. So and that doesn't in my position that doesn't in my opinion doesn't the school district position because you can pass it tonight

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but if they decide to opt out then they're out of the equation. But remember only the zone the comp plan change only affects 7 point something acres. Correct. What was it? >> Three three parts >> but your reasonzoning affects 40. Correct. >> So and the school's not it's the

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minority of that the school sites. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So I'm just I'm not trying to stop your your train. I'm just saying I wanted you to know. >> Okay. >> And does Commissioner Lori are you chairing the meeting? So I have no I have a question about what the city

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manager raised that if a private entity wanted to come in if we don't do reszoning then someone has to spend money apparently. Um I was told by several people who were at planning and zoning that um either the city manager or the

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planner were both said apparently there is someone who wants to uh come in and develop the property and they're waiting to see what we do. >> Is that accurate? >> That isn't precisely what was said at the meeting. >> That is or is not?

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>> That was not precisely what was said. What was said at the meeting is that the portion of the schoolboard's property that is not part of this resoning, there is somebody who has come for who has approached the city and discussed taking that property that is the southernmost

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portion that is not part of this proposal. So, we're now talking about something that has absolutely nothing to do with tonight's item, but they're considering [clears throat] approaching the school board, purchasing the

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property, and doing residential development on that portion of property. >> I see. that this >> which which I would suggest you should just disregard because considering approaching the school board and having a sale >> a whole long >> that's what three what ifs down the

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road. >> Okay. >> So are you done? >> Got that? Yes. Thank you. >> Okay. So do we have a motion on the floor? >> Mayor, do we have a motion on the floor about this? >> We don't because >> we just read it.

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He read it. And we have a Yeah, we have we have a motion on this one. Yes. >> Okay. >> We have a motion on this one. >> So the Can I ask The reason that those three parcels or three parcels in a portion of a parcel were chosen is what >> that's where the school is located.

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>> I I know a lot about this property, Rebecca. >> I know. I know you do. >> Who said who made that decision instead of the entire school board's property? >> That was the recommendation of city staff. Um that includes obviously the school building with the assumption that

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that potentially could be >> but it also includes an empty lot >> and so you chose to take that as well. I don't understand why that was put in there. >> Planning and zoning approved this correct? >> Yes it [clears throat] did. But there's

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>> but that amendment but that last that that last south parcel that you see where the red goes down there that's where the house the line house used to be or not house. Why did you include that? That doesn't have any buildings on it at all. It's an empty lot. >> Are you saying why why do we include

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that in the central business district or why did we >> in the in the in the in the change of the future land use and the [clears throat] central business district? I mean, because that makes it almost undevelopable the property behind it if you're going to change that and separate it. I just want to know why you're picking and choosing those

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parcels because to me it doesn't make any sense to me. >> Because we were provided information by city staff, >> okay, >> of the outline which [clears throat] these individuals that we talked about were interested in. So

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he took that portion that they were considering approaching and pulling it out. >> Well, that doesn't make any sense. It just seems it seems just arbitrary and precious. I don't know why you why you chosen three parcels that are part of

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the school property and half of another parcel, but you don't even have the lines in the right place because your parcel lines aren't right on the map. But, you know, I don't know why you're you're resounding and changing the future landings on half of the school district's property and not the >> our recommendation had the entire

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schoolboard property in the resigning. >> And why did that change? >> Well, he doesn't know why it changed, but it did change. >> Why did it change? >> Staff. >> Before we brought it forward, we attended a meeting >> with city staff. >> With city staff? Who are you talking

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about? I'm talking about the city manager and the public works director. >> Okay. Okay. And so it's the current city manager and the current public works director. >> Okay. >> And they believe that somebody was interested in doing something property

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that was that would be inconsistent with the zoning that we're proposing. So they said take it out. So we took it out. >> The five and are we talking about five acres? >> Yes. Yes, >> at the time it was a multif family type

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of >> but you take the whole five acres out because that where that red line goes down and around that one plot is part of that 5acre plot that has nothing on it. So I mean I don't I just what you're doing just just makes no sense to me.

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And then the other part that you have on the map isn't even part of the school district property. It's part of city property. So, I mean, I'm sorry. I'm just know a lot about this. Been five years I've spent my life on this and I don't know why you guys drew these

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lines. Um, it just seems to me to make no sense. >> Well, he just said he just said, "Let's put it to me." >> City staff Mark didn't make this recommendation. And city staff made this recommendation and you made it based on an assumption that somebody was

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interested in that property >> and their plan and their plan for the property at the time which didn't reform. They wanted to do a multif family multi-level. >> Okay. >> And that was their until they have a contract on that and they're going into that then we should not

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>> make an assumption. So, >> but just so you understand the polygon that you know in terms of why we drew it, that's that's what they were interested in. That was the lamp. >> That's what I wanted an answer on. That's what he's asking about. >> Um I I doesn't make any sense to me, but

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I don't we still need to move forward. >> So, we still have this ordinance 20264 that is in front of us. Um, and so I'm just concerned that we're but we will go to second reading. So at second reading we could pull it. Correct.

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>> We won't go to second reading if they opt out. >> If they opt out, >> right? You would have it be withdrawn >> because the 20th was the day >> it would be with >> and it'll be if they do it, they're going to do it next week. 1120. Okay.

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So, commission, I'm going to open it up to public comment at this time. Do we have anybody that has um anything they would like to say on this? Come forward. Okay. I'm going to close public comment. Do we have any further discussion before we take

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I would just like to point [clears throat] out that um I don't think that this is really consistent with the 2024 vision plan. I think you can you can pick something to say that it is, but I think there are much more

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in the vision plan that makes this a complete departure from what is recommended. >> Thank you. Um, Madam Clerk, if you would please do a roll call. Commissioner Burton, >> I >> Commissioner Moore.

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[clears throat] Come back to me, please. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi. >> Commissioner, >> nay. >> Commissioner Moore. >> I may

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I >> Okay, let's go to ordinance 20 um 26-05. I need a proper motion on this, please. It's already been read. >> I move that we approve ordinance 20 2605. >> Okay. Do I have a second? >> I'll second it.

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>> We have a proper motion and a second. Okay. With this um for everyone's understanding as we are approving this reszoning are we're doing the first they still have the ability to opt out. everyone out there have make sure that

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you please reach out and get your opt out paperwork filed so that you can do that if you want to do this. This is under the current Mark correct me if I'm wrong. This is under the current language that was approved in our um

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land development code. Correct. >> Correct. any of the language the new language or is still going back to planning and zoning um at the next next week's meeting. Is that correct? If you just do

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a clarification to that so everybody understands exactly what you've got in front of us here. We're not running together. >> So at this time if you were to approve this tonight, it would be with the existing language that's in the code that was adopted in 2024. The planning

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and zoning commission did direct us to make some text amendments and bring it forward for them to review. The city manager has directed us to have another public meeting to discuss those text changes before we bring it to them. So, it will actually be postponed from next

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week's meeting. It will be pushed back. >> Okay. >> So, you're going to have a public hearing? >> Yes, we are. >> Reason being is because I've got a lot of phone calls from the public that say that they have not been informed. So, we're going to blast it out. We're going to inform them before we bring it back.

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>> Mayor, I guess they haven't been informed of what the planning and zoning amendments that they want >> this process and the planning and zoning this the central business district all of it, >> right? Because I am pretty sure I saw in

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one of the many reports about this and I believe it was Mr. read that said more hearings are needed because the general public still seems to not understand this. Grudge is a great concern to me.

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So if they don't understand it, why are we adopting it now? [clears throat] >> I think are we talking about the the text amendments >> or asking what that's what I asked the city manager. Are we talking about the

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whole reasoning or the text amendments? >> We talked about the text amendment. >> So, what are you getting from the public? Because if you're getting the public is telling you and you're getting a lot of calls that they still don't quite understand this, >> that's what I'm getting.

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>> Then that's different from the text because they really don't have that text in front of them per se. they have this and this is what they've been given and and so then that's a concern then that then that is a concern and if we have to hold more public hearings how many

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public hearings have we held on this >> I mean all in all >> zoning >> no we did recently we had to Mark did we have Right. >> Mayor, weren't >> you? >> Yeah, I was there. Right. That's what

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I'm saying. >> Yeah. But some people have told me they did not get letters and that they are in the district. And some people told me that they went to the meeting and I don't >> how do they know about it? They didn't get a letter. >> Pardon? >> How do they know about it? They didn't

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get a letter >> from what's being discussed and what they see on the agenda and what the neighbors are that they didn't get a letter. We sent letters to all the properties that would be affected. So what's a little bit different than a

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reasonzoning that would not be a mass resoning. We would send a notice to adjacent property owners. In this case, we sent it to the property owners that would be affected specifically. We did get three opt outs for properties that were not actually in the central

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business zoning district. Um but we have nine that have opted out that actually were affected properties. Um this is a list of our public meetings. The July 16th date that is being pushed

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back. So that's a correction to this slide. But our first public meeting um no actions were taken at that meeting. It was just to explain the central business district and what the process would be was held on February 4th. And

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then the first planning and zoning commission public hearing was on May 21st. Letters were sent out prior to that meeting. The zoning commission voted to continue the item to the June meeting. So it was reviewed again at the

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June 18th meeting. At that meeting, they voted to forward the item to the city commission and here we are today on July 9th. >> Okay. So, but >> and letters were sent again. But mayor, if I could, the generalformational

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meeting, there's been one of those and that was my birthday, February 4th. And I remember you said you were there. >> Yes, I was. Okay. But may I ask? >> Yes. said the city manager, you said you were getting calls.

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>> I received a a couple phone calls. >> Okay. You know, a couple phone calls, but you know, >> you're always actual property owners in the district. >> Yes. >> And business owners in the district.

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>> And so they're saying they they don't they don't have a grasp on it. >> They're saying they don't >> they don't understand the impact it's going to have >> of the central business district. Yes, >> we've got so we have so what we have before us we we have an option. We know that planning and zoning is working on

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the text. Um we can take this and combine those two to not combine them but put them together to where they run together. Um and and possibly do another public hearing. Do one more public

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hearing. um you know and encourage those that are calling you to attend that public hearing. >> Um and then I think you know I think at that point commissioners we've spent we're spending a lot of money on this.

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>> This is costing money with this mailing. Are you doing certified mail? >> No, these are standard mail. >> So these are standard mail. They don't have to be certified mail. Right. >> Okay. So but we are spending a lot of money. They've been here all evening. They've been working on this. Um, we we

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need to figure out what we're going to do to this. >> Can I? >> Yes. >> Can I suggest that we just passed this on first reading? We have another public hearing or another public meeting between now and second reading. They have till the 20th to opt out, which I guess is only a week or two weeks. But I mean, I don't think we need to hold

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this. We've been working on this since 2024 since the before that before we adopted LDC's when we rewrote them. The whole idea is to rebuild the downtown area. Um, people don't want to be part of it, that's fine. But that's their option. But this is this is

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>> just laid out right. I don't want to give you other things, but you could pass this on first reading. Second reading does not have to be next month. >> Second reading could be you could skip them, >> right? >> And you could delay. So you can delay

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the 20th also. Correct. If we want >> if if we if we say we make the the 20th date for administrative purposes if at the very last moment on second reading somebody walks up here and said I've never heard

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of this before. I want to opt out. >> I think your attorney is going to tell them tell us let them opt out. >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> The 20th is the opt out date. Mayor the the other wrinkle is my concern about having second either doing this on first

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reading now or having second reading is in August we are meeting very early and we're meeting on a Tuesday. I mean we're meeting on a day that >> he just said that the best probably in our best interest we can push to September and that would give us an opportunity to do another public hearing.

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>> Okay. So I think and then then I think we can say here that we have heard their concerns and we've done our due diligence to make sure that everyone is as informed as they can possibly be. Okay. Is that good? Okay. So we

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currently have a motion in front of us and a second. Do we have any public comment on this? >> Okay, Madame Clerk. May >> I spoken on this? I asked questions. Um,

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I had a telephone conversation with the city manager and Mr. Carrot. Um, I don't see how this furthers the the vision plan for downtown.

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>> No, but I have a specific I have a specific reason. I think 43 acres is too much. I don't this is not based on any evidence that we need um 43 acres of central business district

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and we do not have adequate provision for parking. I think to do this without adequate provision for parking. Um apparently the plan I was told by Mr. I mean, >> correct is to push the parking onto the

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residential streets and I've lived through that in Tampa, Florida. And that is not a good thing. >> I mean, we we have I don't understand. >> Go ahead. >> I didn't say the plan was push parking on

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>> onto the original streets. I I said if you have an extremely successful uh CRA in downtown, you will put it will push parking on residential streets. And I think that's a problem that you would

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love to be able to help solve, >> try to find parking for all the people who want to visit the businesses in your very successful downtown. No, >> that would mean that we would have had that we were successful in recreating the downtown area.

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>> I have lived through this. You make a mess and you >> make a mess and commission. >> Madam clerk, >> if you would please do a roll call. >> Commissioner, >> what are we

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>> We're voting on ordinance 20265. were approving the reszoning of all of the 40.32 acres that we approved when we did our land development code. Correct. >> Is this changed from the land development code?

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>> No, this is >> exactly this is how we this is how we laid it out in the land. It's been about an hour since we >> I know. So that's what we're voting on. Madam clerk, please. >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi. >> Vice Mayor Lorie.

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>> Hi. Commissioner Deino. >> No. >> Mayor Myers. >> So, so approved. Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you all very much. >> Have a very safe trip. >> Please be safe. >> Are we are we going to push the second

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reading until September? >> Sure. >> If you want to do a motion to do that, we can do that at this time. Otherwise, >> I move that we're push the second reading of ordinance 202605. live >> till the September regular meeting,

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>> the first regular meeting and hold a public hearing. In the meantime, also changing or pushing back that July 20th administrative date until after public hearing out. >> Yes, that's what he said and and honestly he like he said that to me

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yesterday, they can opt out till the very last till the very end. Okay, so we have a second. Do I have a second? I'll second. We have a proper motion and a second. Commissioner Dino >> I >> Commissioner Moore I

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>> Commissioner Burton >> I mayor >> Myers >> I can so approved. Thank you bud. >> Thank you. >> Business needs. Let's go on to our business. >> Uh can I do one thing on the business? Mayor, can we move up the Labor Day parade event? Young lady has been here

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all night long and I'd like to put her at the top if that's okay. >> Thank you. You know we got to do this kind of stuff. Don't we need to set the dates for the tenative and final budget hearings before we leave? Doesn't that have to go? >> We're not leaving right this minute. We

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we still have we've got we've got we still have business to go. I believe Commissioner Lori is going to have to excuse himself. March. >> Well, then I don't know what we're doing here. If we can't >> You still have a >> I'm going to go in the back and

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hopefully I might be able to come back. I can't help. >> Okay. >> I'm an old woman. I have problems, too. >> If not, let us know. We'll take it [clears throat] out to you.

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Okay. >> Yes, ma'am. >> We're we're running on time, but >> Okay. So, this is Miss Valentina White. She's here tonight to talk with you all. I need approval for her for her parade um that she is putting in for a special

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event application. You all were given a map and also a time frame. I do want to note two things that the parade celebration has been moved to 10:00 a.m. and not 12:00 p.m. The other thing that needed to note was that the map um was

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just accidental. Uh it is not going to go down Summit. It is actually going to continue through Summit to Main Street and then left on Main Street heading south to Eva Lion Park. >> Okay. And it'll end at Eva Lion Park. >> Summit to Main Street. You mean a food

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center crossover? So they're starting down at the boat ramp. Not at three bananas. They're starting at the boat ramp. Okay. >> It's a rolling parade. They're coming up up Central Avenue. They're going to cross right here. We're going to have the fire department. They're going to

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cross them. They're going to cross here. They're going to go down to Maine. They're going to turn left onto Maine. >> Head south >> and then head south. And then they're going to turn left on Cypress. >> Yes. I like it. Okay. But I have a question because the application for the permit says they're

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going to start there's two different parade routes. The the written parade route says it's going to start at the um he just said there's an error. No, he he's talking about the error in the map. There's a permit request that says the

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parade is going to start at the Women's Civic Association. Cross 308 go down Grand Rondo. That was her original when she first put it in and that that has changed. >> Okay. So, this I see the map is the update and it has

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>> after sitting down with staff after sitting down with staff >> she determined that this would be better and they all the dancers all want to end over here so they can perform here. >> No, I I I get I get that part. It was just confusing. And then my other question is where if everyone is

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gathering down at the boat ramp, where are they going to park? Because there's plenty of parking on >> market. >> They're going to park at Market Square. >> Okay. So that's provided for. >> So the agreement that she made is that everybody would be driven down there and

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then that that they would be parked. Okay. The people they would park over here at Market Square. Um, I've spoken to Anna at Three Bananas and she gives her graces as long as it's at 10 o'clock and they're out of there by 10:30. It's Labor Day. It's a big weekend for them.

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So, but she did give her graces for that. So, do we have any other questions on this? >> No. Just want to make sure it works. >> Can I get a motion, please? >> Um, yes. I move to approve the application for the

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um I guess the parade um Labor Day parade event, >> right? the Labor Day parade event applied for by Miss Valentina White um with the um amended parade route and time to start at 10 to be out of the

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three bananas area by 10:30 and um to go they're going to go down Central A go down Central Avenue to Main Street and then to park. Does that do it? >> Okay, thank you. We'll have a second. proper motion and a second. Um, do we

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have any other discussion? If none, do we have any comments from public comments? >> It's Labor Day. Saturday, Labor Day is the >> September. >> Hold on. >> It is

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>> September 5th. Okay. >> Please do a roll call for us. Commissioner, >> I. >> Commissioner Moore, >> I. Commissioner Burton. >> Hi, >> Mayor Myers. >> I Okay, so approved. Thank you and thank you so much and we just wish you all the

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best for this >> and for what you're doing for the children and for our community. So, thank you and thank you for your patience tonight. >> Okay, we're coming up on 10:30. So, do we want to trudge forward and try to get this We can do this in 30

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minutes. So, can I get a motion to extend this meeting? >> I'll make a motion to extend this meeting to 11:00. Okay. >> Proper motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. I. Those nay. Okay. But that's okay. Remember I told you you

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can't talk anymore. You pass your time. >> Yes. >> I did. >> Okay. Thank you. Sorry. Um let's go on to and commissioner please know that I was just taking gas Florida gas but I might admit it

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seriously [laughter] um Florida gas utility >> yes so >> or it actually >> yes we can do IT solutions I'm looking for you all to approve for me to move forward uh after contract review with city attorney to have the IT company

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come in and render services for IT cyber toy and our um our our chambers. >> Okay. >> And and yes, >> I move that we authorize the city manager to enter into negotiations with

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it's called opiva. >> Obsa. Do we need to see the contract again or >> Yeah, I'm going to bring the contract to >> Yeah, I find I mean my motion is to authorize the city manager um in consultation with the city attorney

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>> to um to enter into the contract with if everything looks fine. >> Okay, I have a second. >> I'll second. >> We have a proper motion and a second. We have any discussion? told this I thought the city attorney told us earlier that

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they [clears throat] should drop the contract and bring it back to us. >> I don't I don't know what makes us think that we know better about contracts than they do. >> No, I I don't. But I just >> I don't either. And I'll tell you that right now. So, I don't know why the city manager and the city attorney are not

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qualified to not review the contract and sign it. We've already agreed that we like the plan and that we authorized the expenditures. So, I think that they can figure out whether the contract is okay or not. >> I know they'll do a better job than I will. >> I'm just going over when there might be

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things that come up. >> You don't know what they find when they get down. >> Please do a roll call. >> Commissioner [clears throat] Martin, >> hi. >> Commissioner Warren, >> I. >> Vice Mayor Lorine, >> I. >> Commissioner Dito, >> no. >> Mayor Myers,

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>> I. Okay. And with that, um, when you go through that contract, Don, do we need to do any type of a motion that upon, um, approval of the contract because we're going to have to give a we're going to have to give a notice to the other company. >> Yes. >> So, we're going to have to give you an

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approval to give you to give that notice. Correct. >> Well, >> yeah, >> I think that [clears throat] I'm still not understanding whether you want to see the final product or not, the contract. If you don't, then fine, then you need to give us permission to

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notify the current provider that you're we're terminating the contract under its provisions that allow termination without cause. 60 days notice 30. We don't know. >> Yeah, I believe it's 60 days. >> Which I move that we authorize the city manager to give notice to Inspire Tech

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to cancel our contract at at such time that these people is ready to take over. Okay. Do >> you have a second? Yeah. I'm not sure how that's I'm not sure if that's exactly what you said. Um just

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it's just that if they approve I [clears throat] think it should say that if the city manager and city attorney approve the contract by what is it what >> they're they have the right to go ahead.

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>> Okay. Okay. I'll second it. That's cool. >> Okay. So, we have a proper motion. I needed you seconded it. Commissioner Burton. Correct. >> Okay. Any other discussion on this? >> Madam clerk. >> Commissioner Dito. >> Nay. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> I.

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>> Commissioner Moore. >> I. >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Mayor Myers. >> I. Thank you. Florida Gas Utility. >> Yes. Florida Gas Utility did presentation just the other day with you all. Um there are two items um that I'm asking for tonight. One is approving the

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rolling hedging directive. I have had our city attorney read through that hedging directive ready for signature as also includes following per parameters. A product futures contracts and call options and associated premium. B

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quantity up to 75% for one year or year 1, 50% for year two and 25% for year three. and C a strike price or budget a dollar per third therm. The second item that I would like for you all to approve in conjunction with that would be to approve a creation of natural gas rate

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stabilization fund and establish the target range from 21 to 35,000. This can be changed at any time. >> The you said a strike price of $1, >> a strike price of a >> a dollar per the >> not dollar per the but money per therm

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price. >> Well, what what's the price? That's going to be >> that's correct to you to figure out how they figure out a price. >> Okay. Well, I've I move that we approve authorizing FGU to um start a hedging a

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gas hedging purchasing program according to the parameters that they recommend and authorize the city manager to um to sign that directive with FGO.

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Second. >> Okay, we have a proper motion and a second. Do we have any further discussion? >> I also need approval for uh the creation of the natural gas. >> We have to do this first.

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>> Come [laughter] on. >> Sorry, >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi, >> Vice Lori. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Devito. >> Hi, Mayor Myers. I so approved. Thank you. Now the >> Yes, ma'am. Did the second is approving the creation of natural gas

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stabilization rate fund and establish a target range of 21 to $35,000. I move that we authorize city manager to set up a rate stabilization fund with FGU of a target price of 21. Did we just add 30? I thought we talked about 35,000

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>> that 21. area just picked the number in the middle instead of the range. But okay, 21 to 35,000. >> Is that on the agenda? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> It's part of the Florida utility sustainability

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plan. >> Part of that plan. >> Yes. They presented it to us yesterday >> and they all work. >> I'll second it. >> Okay. So, we have a proper motion um and a second. And I'll just briefly

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say that this is all part of stabilizing the rates that we pay as gas as gas rate holders or right rateayers so that it's not all up and down every month like it is. It's something that FGU is very good at. We're relying on their um their

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expertise and their experiences and we've gone over this multiple times and talked about it over the last few years. I'm glad that we're finally doing it. Um because everybody, you know, other other gas systems do it and it makes sense and it works. So >> has worked well for the city of Pala.

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>> Yeah. See, >> and and I, you know, will not put us in the situation that we were in this >> past as well. So that's protecting clients as well. Okay. So we have a proper motion and a second. Yes, Commissioner Dvito.

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>> Right. If I could just say one thing. Um we had very detailed presentation from Florida Gas Utilities and one thing that we discussed was um public education about what we're what we are doing. Um

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so I hope that we um undertake that public education and and that's something that we will be working day and there should be working with gas on >> and there's one other additional comment I wanted to make. I think that it would be helpful on our utility bills to actually tell people what the perm

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charge is that we charge every month. Um I don't know why it's not there. You can figure it out if you do backwards math. >> Sure. >> Which I do all the time, but so that's how I find out. I mean, it's it's not going to hurt us to have it on there as information. I mean, I'm not sure what engines can do, but to me, it just makes sense. I don't know why we're not trying

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to hide that. It should be very transparent of what we're charging for gas every month. And that help would help with the education process and also help people know why the bills jump all over the place that day. So >> thank you madam clerk roll call please. >> Commissioner Burton

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>> I commissioner Moore >> I vice mayor >> I >> so approved. Okay let's go to the transfer remaining reserve funds. What do we have? >> $250,000. >> $250,000. >> Okay. I now make a a motion to approve the

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transfer of the remaining $250,000 into the reserve funds to Florida Prime to generate interest revenue. >> Second. >> Okay, we have a proper motion and a second. Do we have any further discussion on this? >> Go ahead.

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>> I vice Mayor Lori >> I. >> Commissioner Moore >> I. >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Mayor Myers. >> I approve. >> Thank you. Gas pack replacement. >> Thank you. Yes. Yes. And I was wondering if if m if mayor if we can combine the gas pack replacement and the truck crane replacement. They're both coming out of

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the equipment and machinery portion of the better place. I did not have it printed for you all, but I have it here. I was given this by our our finance manager today. We have 64 $40,17 in that line item account. Um gas pack

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replacement came in around $4,100 or $4,200 and change. the truck came truck um crane replacement I believe came in at $15,000 and I misspoke to you all in our private meetings that it was 12,000 um it was a estimated rate of $780 and

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the cost was 14,988.75 the cost had went up from the last quote that Keith had had that had >> these are for two different departments correct one is for the fire station right >> yes >> and one is for public works >> yes it Yes, you are correct.

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>> So, I think maybe we should we can take them individually >> if everyone is. >> Okay, let's let's >> I move What is the amount? >> Pack replacement approval. >> What is the amount? >> Um $4,300 will take care of it. I believe it was 42 and change.

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>> Okay. So, I move that we authorize city manager to to use better place funds up to $4,300 to fix the air conditioner at the fire station. >> I will second that. We have a proper motion and a second. Do we have any further discussion? And this is

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something knowing that we eventually that you're looking into to make sure that we're not overspending on something that >> correct that conversation. >> Yes. Okay. >> Can I just add one thing? Do we Why do we not maintain our air conditioners? >> Do we have a maintenance program that

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they the water lines correct the drain lines are cleaned and the air conditioner filters are changed and there's someone that comes out and tops them up every year? because it seems like we we spent a lot of money on air conditioners and I know it was 117

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degrees today but real field but still I mean if we had to replace our air conditioners in our own homes this much we all be broke >> I agree the the air conditioner I believe is is at its end of useful life at the at the at the fire station it's

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pretty old um I don't know if we can um have a band-aid fix for it and I'm going to try to see what we can do to repair it In the meantime, since we're going to be moving to a new building, but I don't disagree with you. We'll be looking into that, sir. >> Well, we need to make sure start talking to Heritage about doing

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this. >> We did, but I have to look at that contract. >> You would do a roll call for us, please. >> Commissioner Barton. >> Hi, >> Commissioner M. >> Hi. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi, >> Commissioner De. >> I may. So, approve the truck frame.

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>> Yes. I move that we approve the purchase of a truck frame for the lift stations not to exceed $13,000 from the better place plan fund. >> It's going to be $16,000. >> Yeah, we said >> 16 $16,000 for the better place plan equipment line.

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>> Thank you. >> Uh up to 16 >> up to Okay, I'll second that proper motion in a second. We have any further discussion on this? >> Commissioner Devito. I >> I >> Commissioner Moore >> I

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>> Commissioner Burton I >> Comm. So approved. Thank you. >> Okay. The next one we have is our city manager performance um review. Um I'm just Are you hot? >> Yeah. I I Yeah.

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>> Okay. I'm going to be very brief with this. You went up um you were at the last the last time you were 3.65. You're now 3.67. >> There you go. >> So, you have made some improvements.

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[laughter] Um, share as an essence of time. [laughter] >> Derek, I I you know, >> on a scale of 10 [laughter] of >> I was gonna say >> on a scale of five in the essence of

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time. Um, we'll make copies of this so that you can read through this. There's some very good comments. Your commissioners put a lot of thought into this. Um Derek, you have definitely no one can ever say that you're not

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trying and you know and it's a lot to learn. You're taking on a lot and um you know there's some areas in here and performance appraisals are done as a way of you know hopefully to help you improve. >> Sure. >> And and look at it from that

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perspective. Um, but we you're still here. You're still here. This is a year. It's been a year. Um, so >> it's been it's been it's been and so, you know, I commend you for um for

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sticking it out. Um, we still have an issue with the hyperlinking, but >> it's fixed. >> But it works. I think I think as you read through this I think you'll be I think you'll be

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pleased um you know commissioners I don't know if anybody has anything to say and I'll make sure at the next meeting that you have a proper graph >> I would I would say that the budget you're we are doing so much better this year than last year which I mean I you

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made it through it which last year which was a miracle but that was you came in here on June 3rd brought by wishing tailed and had absolutely no idea the train that was coming at Oh yeah. >> So you survived that and this year, you know, Stephen, you have you guys have gotten it. You took the bull by the

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horns and you have us ready and we're already, you know, I feel we're already in pretty good shape. >> We've done over everything already once and we still have a little bit more to do. But I feel like everything is much smoother this year. So I don't know how much that's you or Steve, but both you

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guys deserve kudos for that. Um, and mayor, if I could very briefly, um, obviously Derek, if you read, we've I've said good things about you, but I want to share with the commission and with you. Um, I think

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it's very important that our entire financial management and reporting is brought under control. I am very concerned that we don't have the closeout from the prior fiscal year. We don't have those numbers. I don't know.

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And I don't know why we don't have them. Um neither of you nor our finance director has articulated what the problem is and we need to know because we're now 9 months through the year. And as well um I think we need an update on

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the status of audit and I think we need to be on a long range plan for spending as we discussed at the budget workshop particularly with capital expenditures um factored in. So good. >> So finance that's a concern.

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>> Yes. >> So that's good stuff. >> Yeah. And there's a lot of there's a lot of good stuff in there's a lot of good stuff in here. You can read that. I don't need to go over that. >> Yeah. >> But thank you. >> Um with that it's it's >> we need to give you a raise.

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>> Yes. So I have a motion for that. I move that we give the city commissioner or city commission the city manager a 5% increase in pay compensation especially since we didn't do it last year >> and we didn't do it >> at six month but

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>> you deserve it now >> effective effective today >> effect well effective your anniversary date >> I remember it was a second point >> okay so we have a proper motion and a second do we have any further discussion

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Right. Is that is the 5% what's called for in the contract? >> Yes. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. >> And budgeted or received. >> And budgeted for. >> That's what received. >> If you would please do a roll call. Yes. Commissioner Burton. >> I

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vice >> I >> Commissioner Deo >> I >> mayor Myers >> I thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Okay. set date for tenative um final budget hearing. We know that the county is meeting on the 22nd at 5:05.

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When is the school the school board meeting? >> So we were talking about September 24th. >> Is this for our first or second? >> Yes, this is our second meeting. It can't conflict with the county school

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district. The first uh school board budget process is going to be uh first public hearing July 27th and the final hearing September 11th. >> So they're doing their final their final they they are early anyway though, aren't they? Typically the school

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district >> that doesn't happen. >> Okay. So, we'll set ours for the 24th until such time um that somebody tells us we can and we're going to have to and that still allows us a few days. >> And our first and our first is going to

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be at the regular meeting. >> Will be at the regular meeting. Yes. >> So, what time are we doing this at >> on the 24th? >> Um we can do it at any time you want to. So, anytime after 5:00. It just has to be after 5:00. So, you could do it at 55.

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>> Huh? I thought >> I think the final one >> to me people are used to 6 p.m. >> Just do September 6:00. >> I move that we reset our second budget hearing

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day July 24th to 6 p.m. here at city hall. >> Okay. Do I have a second? >> I'll I'll second that. >> Okay. All in favor? Well, um, do we need to set do we are we required to officially set the first meeting? Do we need to state when our first

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>> Yeah, because I thought that's what goes on is the first meeting. >> The first meeting. So that would be what date is that? Our first meeting. Is it the 10th? September 10th. >> Okay. What time? >> 6 o'clock. >> Six o'clock. September 10th. >> Six o'clock.

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>> Please. >> I do. Yeah. And so our our first meeting it will be at our normal regular commission meeting on September 10th at 6 pm and our second one will be the 24th at 6 p.m. >> Okay.

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>> And the second the one the second did we get a second >> second I did. >> You second. >> Yes. I will second the second. >> I'll do a voice vote. All in favor please say I. I. >> Those opposed nay. >> Okay. So approved

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>> as we right now >> I'm sorry our normal meeting our first >> and then our next one will be the 24th two weeks later >> September 10th not because we're making a change but I think we're required to

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>> say when we're going to do that first touch. >> Okay. So are we going to take up the minutes? Do we have >> I'm sorry I cannot. >> Then somebody needs to make a motion. I move that we table the minutes until the next regular meeting. >> Okay, I'll second.

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>> Or that's what we should do about the special meeting. I don't care. >> We have a motion. Just make it make up your mind which one you want to >> whatever the August meeting. >> Okay. So, we have a motion for the minutes to be um tabled until the all of the minutes as that [clears throat] are

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on the agenda be tabled. >> We can't do that all together. >> No, I can't. No. >> Well, I guess right now. >> Sorry. to me. I think we should put these on the special meeting that we're having, whatever day it is in July.

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>> I currently have a motion. I need a second. And if you don't want to vote for it or if it fails for lack of a second, but I currently have a motion I have to address. Do I have a second? >> Commissioner, >> did you second it, Commissioner? >> Okay. Then we have a proper motion and a

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second to move these to the August 4th meeting. Um, all in favor, please say I. >> I oppose. Nay. >> Nay. Commissioner work August 14th meeting. >> Yes. How are you voting? Yay or nay? >> I don't know, Derek. How long that

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meeting would be in August? It seems like it's getting a lot longer. This one's getting a lot longer, too. >> Well, I don't care. >> If I could, it's a lot of minutes [clears throat] to pend for the clerk to deal with on August 4th because we're having a meeting. We're having a special

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meeting before. So the minutes >> the minutes are done. >> So it's not going to the minutes are done. So it just moves it just moves to the next meeting. So the minutes are done. It's not going to be an additional work on the clerk. >> Well, so

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>> there are problems with minutes from the June meeting. >> Then please get them to her so she can get them out to all of them. >> And I ask that they be sent out to everyone. >> Okay. Before we before we adjourn, we got a request from the um Crescent City

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Women Civic Association. They're the ones that are doing the backpack. If you'll remember last year, that was part of our our community monies that we put out. I would recommend that um do we have left in our age? >> We have How much do we have in here,

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>> Steve? [clears throat] Um, and actually I'll just think you're probably wrong. >> My recommendation, my recommendation is that we um that we put this on the special meeting agenda >> if everyone's in agreement with that on the 20th. That should be very quick.

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>> July 20th. Yes. Okay. So I move I move that we >> don't have to >> I move that we table right I move that we consider the Women's Civic Association request for a donation for the back to school event at the special

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meeting we are having on July 20th. >> Thank you. That way we can tell them that that's Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor please say I. >> I. I'll take a motion for adjournment if anybody knows anything else. Mayor, we

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don't have a report from the city attorney and I think we have the um a clarion issue that is there update. >> I have filed a motion to set aside the default along with the memorandum of law.

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Clarion has filed a motion for final judgment. Neither have been set for hearing. So I assume the court will decide whether or not they get their final judgment or we get to set the default aside. Can I have a motion for adjournment? Thank you very much for that update. And

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Mr. H, if you wait just a moment for me. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Do I have a second? >> I'll second. >> Okay. We have a motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. >> I. >> Okay. >> This meeting is so adjourned. >> At 10:53. We had time. We could have done some

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more stuff. >> [laughter] >> Happy birthday. >> Thanks for spending it with us. >> Steve, are you taking tomorrow off? You should take tomorrow off. >> Oh, and everybody, it's happy birthday, Steve.

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birthday [laughter] improvement on your on your >> should have done it later. You know what's going to be fair. >> We gave him [laughter] a good night everybody. Monday.

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