the regular meeting of the city commission and CRA. Um I advise Mayor Lori and I will be filling in for a blah while Mayor Michelle Myers is dealing with the medical emergency. So she is fine. Everything's okay. She will be
joining us hopefully shortly. So until then, you got me. So um let's uh if uh Commissioner Morg will uh do an invitation and followed by the pledge of allegiance, please stand if you're able. Let's bow our heads. Dear heavenly
father, once again we want to thank you for arising on this morning. We thank you for your grace and for your mercy. We thank you for you took care of us and looked over us all night long and you kept us you kept us safe from all harm and danger. And then Lord, we ask you to continue to look over the brave
families. Bless those that are still mourning. Have mercy upon them. Give them grace and understanding that you do wise to make mistakes. And father God, we ask that tonight that you will send a special blessing, a special touch over Cody Frank on tonight. Have mercy upon
him. Give him grace, oh God. Let them know that you're able and you're with him and you will see him through. Also, we pray for his family. Have mercy upon them also. And Father God, we ask that you be with us tonight. Continue to give us understanding and knowledge, be able to do thy will. We ask that you bless
us. Help us to do those things that will be pleasing in your sight. We forever praise you and give you the honor. All these blessings we do ask in that son Jesus name. Amen. >> Amen. >> I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. If you can do a roll call for us >> present.
>> Commissioner present. >> Commissioner Moore >> here. >> Commissioner Martin >> here. >> Derek Martin city managers >> here. >> Don Holmes city attorney >> here. >> Steve Cofflin finance director
>> here. Bernie Aller accounts payable here and myself. >> Oh, major >> here. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> And Mayor Myers is absent. >> She will be joining us. Um, thank you.
Um, next we have announcements, which is always the time that I pay attention to other things while she's talking. So, I will be doing this. Um, we have a lot going on this month. Uh, we have the downtown partnership. They'll be holding a vintage market, the vintage and
artisan market. That's March 20th and 21st, Friday and Saturday from 10:00 to 4:00 p.m. Um, it'll be down at around 3:10. Um, which is where the headquarters are. Um, I got that. Then we have uh the
Peninsula Historical Society is having their monthly meeting next Thursday. Um the speaker is Ross Lammore and he's going to be talking about the story of Chinsen Hill, Chun Hill, which is an old house that's over in Burksville. It's a really neat
place that he'll be telling us all about that. Um also we have the women's club events that >> No, this is more handed to you. This is for downtown partnership.
>> Um maybe Um, Marty Person also is having a Marty bra dinner and dance on March 14th at 6 p.m. The cost is $15. Um, it says come dressed in your Marty Bra attire. Yes.
There's a gumbo bread and cake. So, always good. Um, also the uh women's club has Bo on March 18th from 1 to 3. Um and then bingo dinner bingo on March 20th. Doors open at 5 and bingo starts
at 5:45. Um there's another event that the women's club is doing somewhere. >> The health is the health fair. >> The health fair. >> What is it? >> 28th. The
>> 28th. Okay. March. and they're having um all kinds of people there to help uh with your fitness and take your vitals and give you all kinds of advice on there. >> 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. >> 11:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. There we go. Um also we have
uh the Well, of course, I can't forget the Cath Festival. Um the Ry Club of Present City will be having Cather Festival April 4th, uh 2026 from 9:00 am to 4 pm. So, if any of you guys have not heard about it, we know you just ask
somebody. It's a it's a great event and uh the parade will be at 11:00 a.m. So, commissioners, um make sure that um you make arrangements so we can all get there together and be in the parade. Um and then there's uh and one of the best
things this year, they are going to the Brutarians are going to set up so that you can do credit card and card payments at the booths. So, you don't have to have worry about cash. Um, we're working very hard to make that happen. It's a it's a task, but it'll make it a lot
easier and a lot more more uh more more fluid hopefully. And I'm missing Oh, the boat races. I just did that. Yeah. Um, on April 11th and 12th, uh, the Southern Out Association will be having their
boat race on Crescent Lake. And that's going to be Saturday and Sunday from noon to 6, I think. Yeah. But it's the weekend after Catfish, so it'll be a lot of fun. They're going to be coming back and we're excited about that. So, um,
there we go. Those are our announcements. Um, next on the agenda is approval of minutes. Uh, now there's been a request that we move these to the end of business. Um, if I could get a motion to
move the minutes to after business and before the city to the city manager report, I think that would make everyone a lot happier. >> Okay. So, moved uh I moved that we um reorder our agenda so that the approval
of the minutes will be uh taken up after business items and before the city manager report. >> Okay, that's motioned by Commissioner, second by Commissioner Burton. Okay. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. >> I.
>> Any opposed? Okay. So, we'll do that. Next, we have public comment. And I don't have any cards. Is there anyone here that uh from the public that has any comments that is about an item that is not on the
agenda? If you will come up and state your name and your address. >> Good evening. My name is Elizabeth Gomez, 19 Cedar Street and I went walking by Dexter Park and I noticed
that the chainling frames again, the metal pole is bent very badly. And what I'm thinking because I had to um work with this with the mayor last year because they were stretching the fence
to get through it. You know, they didn't want to walk all the way around. I'm thinking that the public is letting you know that maybe they would like an entrance there because, you know, people start spending the day, they get tired,
they bring heavy coolers and maybe that's what did the vent a heavy cooler full of drinks and they took it over the fence and maybe somehow it dropped on the chain link. So maybe that's something that the board can take in
consideration. may be making an entrance there might see more in that picnic table. Thank you. >> Thank you, Liz. Um I'm not sure where exactly you're talking about, but I do know that the reason there's a fence along the road there kids don't just go
out, right? I mean, >> but she's suggesting a gate >> or an entrance, an open place. >> But see, that's what he's saying. You know, if it's open, kids can dart out or a dog. Well, not a dog, excuse me, but but something can dart out and get hit
by a car right there. It's It's kind of busy area. But is it on the the main >> Yeah, it's on the It's on the north side. That corner is completely bent the metal pole. Okay. >> So, people are lifting heavy stuff over it because they're getting lazy and they
don't want to do the whole walk. >> Okay. I always did find it was weird that that fence is longer, but it's it's for safety reasons. But if you can I think we should do this. But the way you can do it is it doesn't have to be straight out. You can do a L shape like
you do they got to do an L shape so people can't just dug out. >> And if I and if I correct I believe on the north side of Dra Beach is not our property. Is that correct? So that's also why there's a fence that goes down and around. But if we can have perhaps Keith take a look at it and see if we
can repair it at least and see if there's something that we can do about that. >> Thank you, >> Commissioner Roy. If I could I don't know if there's room. Um and I I agree. I think that's our property on the north side and I don't know if
there's room, but if you want to put a gate and you're worried about kids getting out, I don't know. There are those um somebody could always leave it open. There's a the ones that are too tall for kids that
anyway. >> Okay. Um any any other public comment? Can you come up to the the please? >> Good evening everyone. I'm Angel from 44 North Lake Street
321. You can make me turn around. Um I just wanted to add that two additional events for the month of June. June is finalized June 19th.
>> Okay, great. And 5 years ago we did a carnival at the last minute within 4 days and they drew several hundred people to the carnival. But then they were discontinued because there were so many accidents. So the
state of the rise the state not the state of Florida uh curtailed that and just such that people could get better equipment of several people passed away other throughout the state of Florida. Thus 3
years will last without a carnival. So finally someone heard about a carnival that we did. They all the equipment so they come. Hallelujah. That was great. So they want to do a con in June around Junth.
Spoke with gentleman today because he had been in Europe with the car for a while and it'll be a four to five day event with standing up and certain and you have the carnival combined across the street from each other. So
you see what's going to be happening. a lot of movement, a lot of traffic, a lot of business. And what we did in 2009, we put together a survey for those businesses to find out what if any increase
in their sales that was phenomenal and they were happy to fill those forms out. So thus we bring in economic development, we bring ethnic groups together, we bring families and everybody's walk around time. Okay. So,
I hope to have all of the information Monday. The owner of the uh of the uh car is back. I got the paper grade. Had to get the insurance. Questions I want to ask on insurance.
He has $3 million in insurance, right? Which will be up to the city. If he has insurance, do I have to get insurance as I would do would be doing for you park where you didn't speak?
>> Um, that's a great question for Mr. >> May. Yes. >> Um, I think it would be more efficient in terms of time. I think that should be worked out during the permit application process and we're not really supposed to >> answer questions
during that comment. as soon as possible. >> We love >> Thank you, Mr. >> Um, any other public comments? >> Okay, moving on. Mayor,
>> sir, before we get started, if I may, I would like to introduce um Die. a new employee. I wanted to take the time and presentation that >> I put a briefing in front of you all on Bird's bio. We're really glad to have Birdie as part of our team. Um I believe she's fitting very well with Steve and
she's helped us out tremendously just in the short time. So please Birdie, if you could just come up over this way or even right there if you want to say you're more comfortable over there, but say hello to everybody. I know you you've met them. >> Thank you guys. It's a pleasure to be
here. Um, so far I'm I'm I'm doing it and working with a good team. Um, I didn't know any of them when I came on board, but um, we really have have jelled and and are are doing well. I'm really pleased to be here.
I'm glad that in talking to Bernie uh, she informed me that she was born here in Pton County and Preston City. They went to came here to see the doctor. Um, so you are as homegrown as they're as they come. So we uh we know that you're
uh you're going to do well here. So >> it's a pleasure. >> You have a great a great experience here. So hopefully Steve will treat you well. >> Not to say that Steve, but we have had a little bit of turn,
but it's all good. Bernie can definitely handle a load. She's already proven herself just in the short time that she's been here and we're very pleased to have her and thankful. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Bernie. >> I'm sure Steve will be happy to >> Okay. Thank you, sir. You're welcome.
>> Thank you. >> Good evening, everyone. I got something I want to pass along to you from Allison, our PIO, before I get it started in the presentation. Uh, I think we eventually kind of dropped the ball on this maybe last year, but on April 21st, I know we're going to meet between then at 7:15 at the amphitheater in
black at downtown Long Riverfront. That will be the 2026 Law Enforcement Memorial. >> Again, that's going to be starting at 7:15 on April 21st. You don't have to write it down. I'll make sure that I I get with the city manager and get that information in a formal document to you
guys that he can send out to you. But I just wanted to make sure you guys were aware of that. Again, I'll give that to him in a formal document. That way he can pass it on to you guys. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. >> Getting started. It seems like I've got a lot of feedback from the Soul Food Festival. We had a little hiccup there
when we started off with the parade. However, we got that all open and uh it seemed like everyone had a good time and we had a good showing from what I understand >> and I don't commend you guys. Yeah, there was I was there at the beginning when we had a little bit of you know miscommunication, but that was the best
crowd control for a parade I've seen because I mean the fire truck was down and blocking traffic and diverting people and it wasn't one I didn't see one car coming the other way or anything. So you guys I was it was confusing at the beginning for a few seconds but you guys very fast but cheap
razor was there and I I knew that you guys handled it but it all worked out great. I felt safer than ever before and I didn't see any cars going anywhere else so that's that's good. Hopefully we were catfish well. So we'll take a look at the presentation here.
Very good month. Uh we had one theft case that was uh closed by arrest and this is all the other stuff that was stemming from Kyle Bgardner. I said that in last month's presentation. He is actually still in our incarcerated in our facility right now. But unfortunately he went on into this month which was on the first
>> and this was another theft that was uh closed and obviously we charge him with said crimes. One traffic crash. Two vehicles traveling on some street. One vehicle turning to pass the other. I know they were going the same direction and this is weird, but basically the car turned
to pass the other one coming from the inside lane. I just trying to go across two lanes. Somebody in your blind spot not paying attention and collision occurred. >> Do you know where where this was? >> What's that? >> It was on Summit Street, but it was near
um what's the what's the one there north of the fire station? Is that Eucalyptus? >> Eucalyptus. >> Yeah, street there. I'm sorry. Here's your general activities. Traffic stops are way down anomaly. I don't know
what happened there. So, I have to do some research. 191 calls for service. We get one traffic accident, 13 total reports, three arrest, and two 4 and a half days. A lot of the hype you see there in in last month from this month is that was
when we sparked our when Kyle Baron Gardner started doing his thing and we did what we call a a pattern. And once it strikes a pattern, there's a lot of moving parts that start happening there. Our street crime unit, things like that, our crime suppression team, they see this pattern and they come out here and start doing their work. So that's
probably why you've seen this fight there. and with all his arrest. And >> so that came up that they were down here and they happened to take care of her. >> Yeah. When we had what we call a pattern when you have somebody I'll just give an example. When you have a burglary and
you have another theft and it's one of those crimes that we're monitoring, you will notice an influx of police officers in a certain area because that is their primary job is to go to that area and work within about one mile area of the geographical area where we say that that that hot spot is. So that's their job.
That's their only job. >> Six month crime comparison. Again, you can see bone guard in their truck and went to jail and now we're seeing the relief of that. >> It's crazy what one person can do in this city. >> Yep. >> And that's all I have unless you guys
have any questions for me. Mr. >> Um, I just have one comment. Um, I read a news story. I think it originated out of Jacksonville, but it was about a traffic stop made by the sheriff's department deputy in the Crest City
area. Um, I hope the story was accurate. Um, because seemed to be a Putham deputy sheriff. And this was the case where um the guy driving the car was speeding and it turned out he was um an adult male uh
with a 16-year-old missing girl from North Carolina somewhere like that in the car. Um and to me u fortunately u number one he stopped to see her. Secondly, he got um a young girl who
did not need to be with someone with drugs and whatnot in their car um back home. And this could have been any serious crime. It could have been a crime that was going to be committed locally. it happened to be uh someone from out of state. But um I just really
commend the alertness of the deputy and just wanted to thank you all for being there and doing those traffic stops and um turning up a very serious situation that got solved. So it's to me it's the value of having law enforcement there.
Yes, that traffic stop was just south of Cresant City, as a matter of fact, and the deputy that was working that day was officially uh who was working Cresant City that day fortunately. So, obviously, we appreciate the support from you guys and ended up catching the car speed, stopping the car, and you
know, working there. A young car uh was can't get much information, but get some was found to be 16 years old and missing out of North Carolina. our suspect in that was 37 years old and was headed supposedly down to Daytona. He was found
with drugs in the car and counterfeit money. So that was a safe is what that was. >> Um probably with no intention to her going back, >> right? >> So that's a good thing. >> Was a great guest >> and you never know what the next thing will be. So thank you.
>> Yes. And you can see if you watch the video you'll see some of the news media stuff on it how comfortable she was with him. So there was obviously some type of or something like that going on there. Any other questions? >> Okay. Um on the agenda we have next of
our CR meeting. Um I was uh asked by the mayor to wait until she got here to go on the subject. So, it's up to you commissioners. Um, if you in fact get a motion, um, that we postpone this is on the way you want to put it in the
agenda. Just wait until she gets there and go back to it. >> Do we have other items that we can obviously discuss and she is supposed to be here by six goes away. So, >> um, well, I don't I guess I'll make a
motion that we defer opening the CR meeting until maybe give it a time certain till the end of the business items. >> Um, and then then if in the event the
mayor's not here, we would courtesy go ahead and Right. >> So, that's my motion. >> Is there a second? >> Thank you. >> Okay. All those in favor of saying I >> I. >> Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries. We will
not turn for a moment. Sorry everyone that's here but she wants to be be here. She doesn't trust me. Your next item on our agenda uh is I'm just kidding is the consent agenda. Um and commissioners you see the consent
agenda. We have two items. the federal grant finance policy approval and then the approval of the 2024 audit James company. Um I talked to city manager we need to take that audit item separate I believe because we need to make a motion to approve that on its own so that we
have that for our USDA. Um so >> there's only one other item but if >> do we need to pull it from >> we can pull it whoever decides to pull it. So we'll discuss that next. Um, so I just made a motion to approve the
consent agenda. One item on it. >> Okay. I move that we approve the single item on the consent agenda, that being the federal grant finance policy approval that is in our packets. >> I second. >> I'll second. >> Okay. The department seconded that we
approve the consent agenda. Um, all those in favor signify by saying I. >> Yes. >> I have a question. We adopted a new call consent agenda. Were we required to ask whether there's any public comment before we vote?
>> Wasn't that in the policy? >> That the public that is correct. Okay. I'm sorry. Thank you for >> Sure. >> Um is there anyone from the public that has a comment on any of our the consent agenda items?
>> If I just say seeing none, um we'll move on. Can I get um it's been probably seconded. uh by commissioner veto uh for to approve the consent agenda and seconded by commissioner Burton and all those in favor signify by saying I
>> I any >> so I think it's entirely appropriate that that be your policy that the public be allowed to comment should they wish on a consent agenda item their comment might prompt one of you to pull it um so
it while they can't pull it they can make a comment that might might suggest to you that it should be pulled. So that allows them to have a say so or input into your items even though I don't consent agenda. >> Thank you attorneys. Appreciate that.
It's new. We just started this. Okay. So let's take the next item that being the approval of the 2024 audit for James company. Um as you all may recall we you sure? Yes sir. Thank you. So I I'm
looking uh in my briefing. I'm seeking commission approval for the fiscal year 2024 audit which was previously presented and accepted but not formally approved by the commission. That was in January 8th of this year. The USDA is requiring an official meeting minutes documenting the approval uh to complete
its annual monitoring closeout maintain compliance and preserve the city's eligibility for USDA funding and other federal grants. >> Okay. So I was wondering about that. I thought after we discussed it whether we >> I thought we we need to make a motion but we did not. So I'll entertain a
motion. Um I will uh I move that we approve the annual um audit for the fiscal year 2024 that was presented to us by James Moore
and Associates on January the 8th 2026. >> Okay. >> I'll second moved by Commissioner seconded by Commissioner Burton. Um, do we need to do a proposal? >> Um, I just have one comment if I may.
So, um, Commissioner Roy, I remember in January, um, I asked, shouldn't we vote to accept the audit? >> And because we always have done that in the past and so I'm thinking, uh, it's probably better if we go ahead and vote
to accept it when they present it. And then people >> could make a comment um, or ask a question, whatever. And obviously it's needed, but now we know. >> Well, and I believe that, you know, that that would be proper procedure. We just noticed that it was not in the minutes,
so we have to submit them for USDA to make sure that we're compliant. So that's the only reason we're doing it now. So, >> right, but we decided in January we have to take a vote and we probably should just go ahead and do that, >> right? >> And that's what we're doing now. So, all those in favor of accepting the 20 the
fiscal year 2024 audit, please say I. >> I. I >> I >> Any opposed? Motion carries. >> Thank you. You're welcome. Next on the agenda, uh recommendation for the CR-Nacure
the CR manager. >> Yes. Uh this briefing or my briefing that you all have in front of you for Bonnie Blade presents recommendation to appoint her as the next uh city's CRA manager and assistant city manager. Bonnie has
over 20 years of relative experience um and relevant experience and strong support from senior staff. Following a very thorough vetting process, multiple meetings, she is considered uh well suited for the dual role. Um I'm asking commission authorization to in requesting to extend a formal employment
offer contingent on background check finalization and drug testing. >> Okay. And is is she here? >> She is here. I was assuming that was you. I feel recognized. Is there anything introduce her?
>> I I would like for her to come up and say hello. Come up by >> everybody. This is Miss Love Day. She is a resident here in Crescent City. Um >> we've heard a lot about you. >> Yes. >> And we're very excited. >> I'm very excited. Thank you for the
opportunity. I I I hope that uh you will like us here, but I I know that it will save you some driving, which is always a positive in my mind. You don't have to drive an hour and a half. >> Um so, commissioners, um I'll entertain a motion as far as because if I'm
correct, the reason we're doing this is you interview go through the process, but according to our charter, it's kind of vague. I don't know. >> Tell us what the chart it actually says something about the city manager recommends director or recommends employees to be
appointed or something. I'm not quite sure what that means. >> And her position is not necessarily director position, but she is overseeing and would be overseeing their staff. So, it was my advice to the city manager
that as good practice uh and uh in order to make certain that the commission had no concerns or objections that that might arise uh that they might advise him of later that they had before he made the hire that we go through this
process. I don't know that the charter absolutely requires it. Uh because he, you know, he does have the the power to to hire and fire to an extent. Um and I don't have a charter in front of me right now, but I thought that as a matter and I still think as a matter of practice when you're hiring a position,
um quite frankly in this small town with the small number of employees you have and the need for everyone to work closely together, it's probably good practice on almost every hire that he makes, but certainly on one that's going to be of some substance. So I guess you
can consider it what you would in terms of the approval process but uh a vote of confidence uh u would we could be something that it could be could be termed again I don't have the charter in front of me right now so um I don't I
don't remember if there's a specific provision in it that speaks to it but I think that for a lot of practical reasons it's it's just the right way to gohead >> um could I say something so I do look at the charter quite a bit and sometimes we
have to. Um I was surprised to see this on the agenda and I asked our city manager about it. Um my recollection of the charter is that it says department heads that are specified in the charter
and that other such department heads of departments that the commission may create as in our policies and procedures. that those need commission approval to hire and to terminate,
not everybody else. So, um I do think it's a wonderful idea to introduce um this is it love day. >> Yes. >> Okay. Want to make sure I get that right. Miss love day. I really appreciate that. Um, I'm I just want to
make sure we don't infringe on the um the city manager's responsibilities which are also in the charter which authorized him to run the city. So I mean I I don't really I'm not really
comfortable saying we have to approve her. I mean that to me that leads to how many others because one thing our city manager as I understand it is also our CR director >> and this person is a manager and not
everybody here who directs I don't know. Um I just I don't want to infringe on the authority of our city manager although I want to welcome Miss Love. >> So as a practical matter from his
perspective, city manager city manager's perspective, I think it's preferable for him to bring matters of this type in front of you to see if some of you have an objection. Semantically, you can call it what you wish, but I think that's preferable than having him go ahead and
make the appointment and then face criticism from one or more of you because he appointed someone that you didn't know about or have an opportunity to talk to or question or have any input into at all. So, I guess I don't think he considers it an infringement of his
responsibilities. And we talked about it on the on the phone. Um, I thought it would be something that you would consider to be Curtis Curtis and uh if you had some I don't know what you know about any of the people that he brings
in front of you. So if you had some some u question concern better raise it now than than than a month from now. So that was that was my thinking when I suggested to him that he do this. >> He was perfectly willing to go forward
with that. But as I said, >> and that was my advice also more than he asked me about it, but I agree with Commissioner Vino. We hire him and he runs the city. That's the way the manager uh the manager council for government works. >> As long as everybody doesn't remember that, >> right?
>> Then I think we're all good. >> But then I make the record reflect that. >> But then I looked at the charter and the charter happens to say under 3.04, four the powers and duties of the city manager C recommend to the city commission the appointment and the
necessary for the good of the city the removal of officers and employees of the city except as otherwise writing this charter and blah blah blah so that means anybody you know that he chooses he has he recommends for us to hire but I mean
so it it's it's very odd you know it's u but I think he's brought this before us I I'm completely okay with hiring her. I just need to get a motion from somebody so that we can let them go through with the hiring process.
>> I only have one question. >> So, when can you start? >> I currently work in St. John's County. So, I got two weeks. >> Okay. >> April 1st is the anticipated start date. >> March 27th. >> I do have questions.
>> So, It's my understanding you're going to be our assistant city manager CRA manager, right? Our community redevelopment agency. That's not an entity that you've worked for before, correct? >> Correct. >> But you've done similar things. Correct.
Um and uh one of our our central CRA is um in the heart of our historic district and we have um many needs in the area of historic preservation. Um are you willing and comfortable to um
learn about historic preservation? >> Oh, absolutely. >> And what can what can be done to help uh property owners? >> Yes. Because that's a need. Yes. >> Okay. You're you're okay with that? >> I'm okay with that. >> Great. Something new. >> I'm looking forward to it.
>> All right. >> Super commissioners to make motion. >> Sure. Um, I move that we I don't know um give a vote of confidence um for the city manager's hiring of Miss Bonnie
Love Day for the assistant city manager um CRA director position subject to um the background check and any other requirements. >> Okay, a second. >> Second. Okay. Motion by Commissioner
Dino, a second by Commissioner Moore. Um, all those in all those in favor of signify by saying I. >> All those motion carries. >> Welcome award.
>> We like to put people out there for a while. So it's just >> actually you were pretty >> polite being next. Yes. >> Okay. So the next you have an annex briefing. Um the downtown partnership is
nearing uh the end of its current lease and is considering uh the uh to uh relocating to the city annex to reduce cost. Something that we have talked about in our meetings. Um with that board, they requested that I talk to the commission. Um as the city prepares to
move uh from the annex within the next couple of weeks, which I have talked to Steve and his crew, we are gearing up to get everything moved over. We have some internet issues over here that we're working through in the back um that are going to be a little bit of the holdup. Um, but I wanted the commission to
determine whether the space can be offered to the partnership and under what terms, especially since the partnership currently assumes that it would be free. Um, this discussion will help clarify the options, support um, redevelopment, collaboration, and inform
future planning for potential uses such as a community welcome center. Um, it's not my recommendation that the um that the lease is a zero option, zero dollar lease. I think that um they are chartered to raise funds for their
rental. I believe that the city could come up with a good fair um very cost uh efficient rental lease to them that would save them uh currently, you know, compared to what they're paying. So that is my briefing on that. >> Okay.
Do we have >> I have a question? >> Sure. >> Or do we need a motion before we >> I will entertain anything. I mean this is mostly for discussion motion but I think we can discuss without motion.
>> Okay. So my question is um I would assume that the lease agreement would be something that would come back to the commission. >> Yes. >> That is correct. >> Yes. >> So is it my assumption that what you want us to
do here today I don't know about commission more question burden you want us to authorize you to look into it. Yes, that is correct. And and really um I believe that that entity wanted a fuzzy goodwarm feeling that the commissioner would allow them the
opportunity to discuss possible rental of that space. That's just an option. Their lease is is coming up. So um that that is it. And I would bring that any and all options to the commission for approval prior to any finalization of a contract
>> and that would have to be April. Yes. because they're they're going to they're set for May. Correct. >> Okay. >> I mean, my personal feelings is that, you know, obviously I've always been pushing for the idea of having all the employees under one roof. So, having
having finance in this building, I think is very important and absolutely necessary. Um, and so having that building just sitting there empty, I don't think is helps anybody. if there's a community group or community groups
that need space, then let's talk to them. Um the idea of an involvement center or something like that and if they we're willing to work with us and and sponsor that or help run it, I think we need something like that. There's no more in town allow people to come to see
the hall, right, when they have questions or they have a map or something like that. Um but that's not always the case, right? Um, so you know, I don't know how much time you feel, but I think that it's something that, you know, to me seems like a good idea. Um,
but I'll make a motion. >> Okay. >> Um, I move that we authorize our city manager um to investigate the possibility of downtown partnership leasing the annex building and bring
back to us any um potential agreement. Is there a second >> bring back any agreement? He would have to bring it to bring it back to us. But I was just authorizing him to um pursue the possibility that
they might lease it. >> You mean that we would still have to approve any content? >> Okay. So, I have a motion by Commissioner Deo, a second by Commissioner Burton. Um, any further discussion? >> Well, I think it'd be a good thing to
give them a leg up a little bit, but I I think free is just my opinion. I don't think free is the correct answer. >> Um, you know, I think right now I'm not sure how much you're paying, but you're paying pretty good money. >> Um,
and uh, but I don't think I don't think we can give them that option. I don't I think that they're supposed to be on their own. You know what I mean? they have to somehow the city is not really supposed to be as involved. That's why they moved out
>> a day of the annex. So I don't understand all the the workings of it and so that those would be some of my questions coming up. >> Um >> could I get one question answered that commissioner brought up a very good point? It was my understanding that is
it that the city is supposed to support them with a minimum half-time position. Is that our requirement that we have to do that or are they just required to have a part-time position? Does anyone know?
>> These are all questions I have too. I don't I don't think they've been answering. >> Right. Well, if was my understanding we were supposed to provide them with some level of financial support. I personally did not think it was great financial
move for them to leave the annex when they did because rent is money. But anyway, I guess we'll have to get that question. >> But but I think that's why they left. I think there was some type of rule. No, >> I think it was Let me hand I think it
was a perception perhaps that people thought that they were part >> and and also another thing about them being they used the annex before as storage didn't have a storefront and I think that was part of the reason they moved Central Avenue was to have an actual storefront. You could be coming out in the front door and got a thing
and they have events and stuff there. Um, I you know it's just my personal feel from hearing about that couple of those things. >> If you all could please email me your questions, I will investigate it and get the correct answer for you.
>> Mr. Vice Mayor, could I just say one thing while I'm thinking about it? >> Um, it's about the annex. It's not specifically about downtown partnership, but it has to do with people. That is clearly a government building when you look at it. And um could we put a sign
on there that says tax collector's office is down the street? Um because not for the first time I've run into somebody knocking on that front door and there was a gentleman with three little kids. They looked hot. They looked
tired. Um we can get a final sign. >> Well, you know, it looks like a government building. It just wasn't the right one. >> We'll take care of that. Thank you for bringing that up. >> Sure. Anyway, so >> so we have a there there's a motion on
the table. Um if we have any further conversation discussion then let's go ahead. Can you do a roll call vote for me panel? >> Commissioner Burton >> I commissioner Moore >> I >> Commissioner Vita
>> I >> Commissioner Lord >> I carries. Thank you. All right. Thank you sir. Yes. The next are the city attorney review policies. These have been in front of you all a couple of times. The revisions I'm seeking uh commission
approval uh to for two of the city attorney reviewed revised policies. The updated harassment policy and the updated grievance resolution procedure. The revisions um the revisions incorporate prior commission direction, ensure legal compliance, clarify
responsibilities and processes and update procedures for grievances involving elected or appointed officials. You all have the um the briefing and the updated document in your packet >> and there was did you you got the script
errors that I sent you? >> Yes. Okay. Just we did not update we did not but those will be taken care of before they're inserted if they're approved. Um so I will entertain a motion regarding the harassment and
grievance policy. Well, I have a question. Okay. Um, and this is a question I had for the minutes. Um, we've looked at this several times, so forgive me because some of those times run into each other. Um,
I have a recollection that our last meeting where we had to do the emergency burn ordinance that we also deferred the harassment and grievance policy till the end of the meeting because the mayor had
questions and I don't remember it was on the consent agenda and she requested it be pulled and discussed it and we moved it to the end and we never got to it. >> That's what I thought. you are right. >> So that wasn't reflected in the minutes, but my concern is that the mayor said
she had concerns. She had things she wanted to ask. >> Yeah, she brought them up and those concerns were addressed in this rendition which took out the vice mayor being able to call a special meeting and it also added our city attorney as one of the points of contact in different
instances in lie of just the city manager. Okay. Right. >> Then well, hang on a second because um that has there's just a document here. It doesn't show us where the changes are.
I mean, you've described them. It doesn't show us what the changes are or when they were corrected or when they were changed. I'm not really comfortable voting on something that's been changed outside of a city meeting. Um, and we
didn't see ahead of time where those changes are in the document. I mean, I just don't do that. The changes are in red. >> They're not in my copy. >> They should be. That's not my copy. I looked. >> There was one document uh that does not
have any changes because that document wasn't brought up with any issues since the last meeting. That just had a simple line item for u harassment that included elected or appointed officials. That was the only language. The main language was in the grievance policy. Those we went
through and the only changes that were requested by the commission and the mayor at that time was just to take off the vice mayor being able to hold a special election and and adding our our city attorney as the contact for agrievance against the
mayor or a grievance against myself or another commissioner. Correct. >> And that's what's in red. >> And that's what's in red. >> Okay. My copy. No red. There's no red. Um, >> okay. I have a printed copy. I don't
>> read online, so mine doesn't have that. So, that's a glitch. Um, I understand what you're saying. Um, >> I apologize, Commissioner. >> No, no, no, no, no. But just, um, and I think so, it took out the vice mayor
being able to call a special meeting. What it what it said? >> What? What it said the last draft we had is that if it was complained against the mayor, right, then the HR would contact the vice mayor to call a special meeting, >> right? The commission to discuss it. But
I mean, our charter, I can't call the special meeting. It would take commissioners. >> So, but the city manager doesn't call a special meeting. >> And so, the city manager, but that's what they changed. >> I I by charter, I can actually I I don't have that authority. I have to go to the mayor. >> Right. Right. Okay. Just just for the
record. >> To me, I >> All right. Well, anybody can do whatever they want to do. >> Okay. I'd like to make a motion to approve the updated policy prohibiting harassment and the updated grievance
resolution procedure, incorporating commission directed revisions, and ensuring both policies meet current legal and organizational standards. Okay. That was motioned by Commissioner Burton. Um, do I have a second? >> I'll second.
>> Okay, it's been properly moved. Second. That was a second by Commissioner Moore. Um, is there any further discussion? >> Just I'm not really comfortable with the peace meal way the changes were made. I'm not saying anyone did anything
wrong. I just don't think it's a good way to do it. Um, but I understand we've worked on this for quite a while. This is our third or fourth time discussing this. Yes. >> Um and every time we've got like the updated changes. So um if there's no
other discussion on Pam, can you do a roll call vote for please? >> Commissioner >> I. Commissioner Moore >> I >> Mr. Burton >> I >> Commissioner >> I thank you. The motion passes. Next we
have entered signs. >> Yes. Thank you very much. So, the briefing that you all had uh presents um affordable welcome to Crescent City entryway sign options for the city's three main gateways and seeks the commission's direction on whether to move forward with the proposed aluminum
ACM signs. The recommendation offers a quick cost effective improvement while preserving most of the budget for future long-term signage planning we can address at a later date. Commissioner Lori also sent an alternative color option based on the artwork that was
previously approved by the commission. Any alternative will work. The colors are up to you. I also provided you all copies of those um alternatives and I believe the push of course um is to make sure that we get signs in place because
we don't have proper welcome uh to Crescent City and thank you for visiting Crescent City sites right now. Yeah, there's there's never been one on freeway as long as I can remember. And the one on the north 17 has been quite a while. Um the one on South 17 is there,
but and as you can see in my briefing sheet, we this is costing somewhere around $15600 for all three. We have more than that in the budget. uh we can roll that over and have workshops and figure out what we're going to do for a long-term plan later,
but right now it would be nice to get some signs in this fast and easy. Yes. Um because we've talked about this for >> since I was elected. Um and I'm have a re-election. So it's been a while.
>> Okay. Hope you comment. Um, yes. And, um, I'm sorry that the mayor can't be here because she's the one that got this going. Um, signs are a matter of aesthetics. And,
um, I see that there's an alternative here. And by the way, um, Mr. City Manager, did you get the sets of photos that I sent you? Yes. >> And sent them to the commissioners. >> Okay. Okay. I did not send them yet. was way before the meeting and I apologize.
We had a couple things going our code officer has some are you able to send them? >> I can. >> Okay. Because it would just help inform what I'm about to say. Okay. Okay. Um I just saying I prefer the dark blue ones
and I prefer um my my only concern with the signs is really their shape. Um there's cuz I've looked at this twice now. We discussed signs, Commissioner Moore, it was before your election, I
believe. >> Um we discussed monument signs that were much more expensive and and um a different material. Um the current signs that we have are really pieces of art. They're 3D wooden carvings. And I think
the one that was on the north end is different than the one on the south end. Some of the pictures I sent the city manager today were close-ups of the ones on the south end. They're actually carved wood and painted. They're beautiful. Um the the style of the
current signs um are very similar to the lacas and some of the other monument signs around town. They're um white wood with paint and finials and they're more like this the signs um that we have
before us say welcome to historic city. Um my only concern with this kind of geometric shape here is that it has no relationship to our historic architecture. The white painted signs that we have are
more like the 70% of our historic buildings that are called frame vernacular. You know, the the woman's club sign, the sign of the funeral home. They're just very pretty, very turn of the century. Um
the alternatively, one of the pictures that I sent was um some pictures of signs that are in Fernandia Beach right in their historic district. the mayor had suggested um black posts and
borders. And to me that also uh if you do it right, relates to the historic um structures that we have because that um that black metal, if you do it right,
and you put a little um decoration around it relates to is more like the turn of the century accordion. It's it's still period. It conveys a sense of history. And I sent some pictures of that. So the only thing I would suggest
is that we go with a um rectangular or square or oval sign. Those um are a style that more relates to a historic present city um as opposed to these more modernistic
um swoop swoopy ones. Um that would be my suggestion. And if we pardon colored swoopy ones >> um and so and you know one option we have is to maybe um get some more eyes
on this. I personally prefer the dark blue but we want to make sure they are visited and I I don't feel qualified to say that. I would I would suggest a rectangular
sign or an oval sign and then we could dress it up later. >> Yeah, because this is just an inter but it would be nice. >> It would be nice to be able to dress it up a little bit and not have to throw away what we did.
Well, that's something too. This that this color or the bottom design there. I mean, we can always just put that up on post, but we can build something around it, make it a little more substantial. I think um in the long term, I would like something that's a little bit sturdier
and looks stable. It looks um looks more substantial. But I think the point right now is we really need to get a sign that says Crescent City. I think people might drive through Canada to realize they were here. Um, and I mean what we're discussing on
the blue ones in front of you, the ones that Commissioner provided. >> Okay, that's the one. >> Yeah, >> the other ones. >> I apologize for my tardiness. >> I said they had to put up with me. I'm not nearly as
>> good day. Um, >> but he can do this the same. He can he can take this also. They can take this. I think the crux of it is just >> We had somebody even walk in the office the other day from out of town and he
said, "What is with Crescent City? Y'all don't even have a sign." Yeah. Um, so should I make a motion? >> If the mayor would like to entertain a motion, the mayor. >> There you go.
>> Um, well, I have a request. Maybe we can have a fivem minute break while the mayor gets settled. >> I'm good. Go ahead. >> You're good. >> You're rolling along. >> I'll be asking for a five minute break. Um just I would like to move that we um
for aesthetic and for compatibility with um the historic structures in town that we um use the rectangular sign um of the two submitted
by Commissioner Roy with blue background. I'll second. >> We already know you want it. >> I'll just add that I >> just played with this for a few minutes last night. This doesn't have to be the final um but I did use the the resources
that um Muro did. So the the graphic and I match the colors colors that you're welcome to on there in the font that we have. So >> and they have that up there at day. She has all that. So we can send it to I think the biggest thing is um
you know you do the welcome and then I would like to see and it's not on here that thank you for >> on the back side. So it's a two-sided >> easily do that. >> Okay. So we have a proper motion and a second.
>> Um do we want to do did you want to add um an amount to that? I mean, I know we've got that quoted, but we also have to have polls and for the installation, which shouldn't be that much. I believe we can do that in house. >> Yes.
>> But I just from an expenditure amount, um, >> you have the quote from top Dave's tops that the polls wouldn't be more than a couple hundred for each one. But should this go over just based on the different colors, that would be my concern is if
we want to put like a maybe >> exceed $5,000 for the signs and the polls. >> Okay. And it's my um well just I was discussing before you came in I sent some pictures of what happened for
Indian Beach. Um if I think you had uh said you suggested black quarters and polls mayor um I think that's appropriate either either we want something consistent with frame vernacular or something with turn of the
century. And um I sent to the city manager some photos from Bernardina Beach of their poles and borders. Yeah. >> That if we can't do it right away, maybe we could um get a better pole and border
later. But anyway, so for current, so that it's the rectangular uh sign of the bottom one submitted by Commissioner Lori um and the bids on Dave's tops and trims and the total cost not to exceed $5,000.
>> Okay. And Commissioner Burton second. Okay. >> Do we have any further discussion? >> Um we thanked you for for I thanked you for all the work you did to >> Thank you. >> get that done. It really wasn't that much. Dave did it. >> Dave did it. Do we have any public
comment? I'll open it up for public comment. >> Please come forward. State your name and your address if you will. >> Good evening everyone. I'm Dan Dodge. I'm the president of the Futland Peninsula Social Society and I'm at 218
South Main Street, Crescent City. My request is that the old signs that they not be thrown away that you consider giving them to the resto society if you have no use for it.
>> We have we have yes there's one still up and then we have one over in the over the >> I'm very interested in making a motion to that effect. My concern is um I think
it might be better if the city to um store them for the historical society until they have a secure place and until they they feel ready to take or we I'm a member um of the board to take
possession of them um if that's possible. But I'm >> okay. We haven't voted on the first one, so we're going to do that afterwards, but but we'll have a motion there. So, thank you for for Are you in Are you in agreement so that you don't have to come
back up that the city store those until such time you have a a place for them >> if if you if it's best for to store them, fine. If it's best for the historical societies to store them, either way. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Do we have any other public comment at this time? >> Okay, seeing nobody come forward. Um, Pam, if you would please take. >> Mr. Warren, >> hi. >> Mr. Dea, >> I
>> Mr. Burton. >> Hi, >> Mr. Moore. >> Hi, Myers. >> Hi. Thank you. >> Okay, we're going to move on to the electric science monument. You want to >> Oh, I'm sorry. You're going to do yours.
>> That's okay. Um to follow up on Mr. Dodge's suggestion, um I would like to move that a the original signs uh the wooden signs be preserved. Um that they the city store them and that we store
them, I guess, um for that we ultimately give them to the Fruit Lunch Peninsula Historical Society. um when they let us know that they have a good place to put them or a secure place to store them.
>> We have a proper motion and a second. Commissioner, if you have any comments, >> Mr. Martin, you feel that we can do that? >> Yes, ma'am. We can. >> And mayor, >> yes, >> they if you have not seen them up close, I sent y'all pictures of the ones that are still out there. They are beautiful.
>> They are. They are carved. >> There's one over here that we have. >> I saw that. And those are different, but they are carved 3D. They're just absolutely beautiful. >> And maybe we can get there one day again. But >> or you know, they would look good
somewhere. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we have a proper motion in a second. Um, Taylor, if you would go ahead and do a roll call for us, please. >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi, Commissioner Moore. I Mr. Lor. >> Hi,
>> Mr. Vita. >> I so approved. Thank you. Thank you for your willingness to take those and take care of them. >> Okay, let's move over to the um appreciate that. Um, in the briefing
outline that I gave you, um, we had proposals received through the city's formal RFP process for a new LED electronic message center at city hall based on a comprehensive evaluation of cost, display, quality, warranties, and long-term value. Staff recommends
proceeding with the pro LED 6 millimeter double-sided display. This option provides superior resolution, robust warranty coverage, and cloud-based management capabilities at a uh cost well below the available $30,000 in the budget. The remaining funds offer
flexibility for potential size enhancement, consideration of possibly even a second installation site should the commission wish to explore that option. This evening, I'm asking authorization to move forward with the purchase of the recommended sign in the amount of $13,534.
I move that we um purchase the I don't Yeah, for the 13,000 >> 534. >> There we go. >> Okay, second. >> From the allocated funds in the better plan.
>> I'll second that. Okay, we have a proper motion and discussion. Commissioner, do we have I mean proper motion in a second. Do we have any discussion? >> Yes, >> I am not on any medication just for the record. >> Antibiotics in case I'm just a little scrambled. I apologize but
>> you have a day but um >> yeah my concern is we we just uh motion to buy it at 15,534 with it but at the same time you you said that there's possibility that we buy something bigger and possibility of
moving it correct we could that's always up to the commission right now it's anticipated we would put it in place of the sign that is broken here at city hall um there are >> yeah I mean in order to move it what But what would we have to do is move that and make it a little bit larger.
>> So the good thing about this, it would need power because of the internet. Uh and and Commissioner Lori speak better about some of the technology warning myself, but because this is cloud-based management and because of the way that this receives and gives data, um it can
as long as we have power, the unit comes all together. Um it has a cellular has a cellular phone motor in it. Correct. the old one, you know, there's a wire that comes into here. >> Well, that's what I was wondering. >> These new ones, um, he'll just be able to go on a website. He can actually use
his phone anywhere he is. And and the technology is so great that you can have pictures on it. There'll be you can and this one would be a lot larger. Amazing. Last second emergency. >> It can be anywhere as long as there's power, right? >> Because I think we should consider
moving it. Right now, you can't really see it where it's tucked in. It was very difficult to see it and I think that we should look for a second site for it. >> Something that makes a little more sense to see it and something just a little bit larger. That's all. I'm not talking about a great
>> but in the meantime we could put it there and then move it when we location. >> Absolutely. It's a It's a very simple unit. It's multiple pieces that you actually put together. They give you all of the information. I've looked at the videos. >> I'm afraid that if you move it there, it
won't it'll stay there forever. Think of it like that's how we do things. Think of it like a TV. You can mount the TV on the wall, take it, put on another wall. The same with this technology and and it's and it's new technology. It's light. >> I understand. >> Where do you where do you Yes, Commissioner.
>> Um I was concerned about the loc location also because I had several people that say to me they can't see it to you like you passed it, you know. So >> where would be a good >> I think we need to discuss where we placed Could
it a little bit higher? >> We can definitely bring options to the commission on the next. >> Uh we we did anticipate raising it from here. Right now it sits a little low. Um the sign is actually going to be almost with the price of 13,000 almost double
the size that we have right now. Um the width is a little bit shorter. So we would build brackets inside and lift it up. The cones that are on top of the actual pillars would come off. we would redo those and that sign would be lifted up a little bit. So I think with the old
sign, the color, the style, and the size also um added to the issue of not being able to see it. This sign is going to be very high definition pictures you can see from 1,000 ft away. It's a very high
definition screen. You might think you can see it, thousand feet away, but hell, I can't even see 10 ft away. Most generally, they're all driving by, >> right? >> Well, that's all >> like I just drove by the Pomona apartment, right? >> And um you can see that when it's right out in front of the city hall. I mean,
you can see it, but it's a much bigger screen than what we have here. This they could only get really one line on that. And it has to And I don't know if it's necessarily that we can't see it. you can't read it because you're going too fast because you have to wait for it to
scroll to the next >> screen. That could be one. And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Ben, but you're saying the building is basically in the way when you're driving because of where it's located in between the buildings. And and I understand, but then what you're saying, Mayor, I believe is also true. When you go bigger, brighter,
better, you're going to see it. Um, but we can give you multiple options and bring it back to the commission. Uh, if we ordered this, it's going to take at least 15 to 20 days to get it ordered. Um, and we can we can we can definitely do that, but it can be moved. To answer your question, if we put it up
temporarily until we find another spot, get a spot, get the electricity, we can move it. And the only other cost would come out of the same line item in which we have 30,000 in that budget, we would have to build a monument for it to sit in and that's it. >> If you've been in PA recently, a new one
right there on the bridge, um, it's much higher. Um, but even then you you can't when you're going over the bridge, you don't really see it. You have just a very short period of time, but you can put you'll have multiple lines of text on there. Like you said, Park, you can have five lines of text. So, you don't
have to wait to see it scroll because you can only put so many letters on the old the old sign. And just for context, that sign was moved previously when we had city hall at 115 North Summit Street. So, because we bought that sign in 2003, it was a better place to find
money. Okay. >> Um, and so it's been moved u here. So, I mean, they're very movable. >> And just so the commission knows, um, if we were to go with a sign that would be around 88 in wide, not 75, but 88 in wide. We're currently right now at 90
in. We went 88 in wide, that would allow us to go to almost 5t tall. And the cost for that would be around $20,000. just um first of all I think we're always going to have a problem that park
doesn't have because we have such a narrow rightway and all our buildings and the um light poles. I mean there's there's obstructions all up and down 17. There's not really um we don't have the situation of Pomona Park. They have like
a little park in front of their building and it's there and it's on a curve so it just happens to be at a very visible spot. We're a straight shot and most of buildings are up close to the curb. Um
my only question about size is um we had long discussion when we adopted our sign ordinance. I think um whatever it is we do um I think there might be a different size sign that we're allowed to have in the central historic
>> districts government electronic what we were doing to make sure that ours Yes. >> Okay. All right. Well, hopefully we'll look tasteful. But anyway, I just I think that we're
going to have always that line of sight problem and the solution is going to be the more text. I mean, sometime you're walking, you can't even wait long enough to see a scroll because of the cost of this uh for the size that they gave us.
I mean, maybe we even look at putting two at both of our south and north entrance >> and having that as when people come in, they're getting messages. The only thing is the people that live in the city aren't getting that quick emergency message. But again, um I think that
there's a way to to do it and this I didn't price this size. We went bigger. So maybe if we did something here for central we could get even half of that cost for >> but we still don't know because we still have an issue with seeing it because you're not going to get what you need there. >> Right.
>> So Commissioner Burton, do you we have we have a a motion right now to approve the purchase of the sign, but now we have another issue as far as placement. Do you want to see us try to raise that line up and see if that makes a
difference? I don't know if that see if it makes a difference. >> Try it first. >> Try that first. >> I'm just fine. I'm just going to end it up right where it's at. That's the way I feel. >> Did you have a public comment? >> I'll have to um I'm sorry. We'll give
you an opportunity for public comment. >> Um but that No. So I mean I'm I'm done. My mind my mind's kind of beat up. You can make it big. It's still going to be there, you know, and you still can't see it because it's between buildings. That's the way I feel.
>> America. Yes. I think I can't I mean I think this would take some investigation. I don't think there's very many places up and down 17 where something is not going to be between some building. Even like if you put it in the parking lot palas and the cars
the partial front palmas are >> well I think you should all go out and right now we're just saying oh there's nothing there but I bet you I bet you there is something there. The other thing too though is we have to own the property. So we have so we have to own the property and when we sell the fire
station on 17 that if we sell the fire station property that's >> I just thought of this and I don't even know if this is a possibility. I don't know the height restrictions or look at the code but what if we were to put it on top of the annex building right at the edge of the annex building people
can see it from there and people coming in. I mean, it's just higher. >> I'm sorry. >> But on top of the index very >> right now, I'm going to open it up for public comment. >> Thank you for your suggestions. >> I'm gonna open it up for public comment.
If anyone has any, please come forward. State your name and your address if you will. My name is Jay Dan Py and I'm 828 Orange Avenue and um I'm a creative person. So when you get something in front of me
that's going to be a problem. All I have is great solution. So you say that you have an annex that you want to put to be an information place. You want to give the downtown partnership maybe that building but we could actually put a
park on the other side of that building. It would take a little bit of taking apart a little bit of that parking lot, but we could put a sign in there. If you're looking at a park in a park, a sign of a park in a park, we can make
that annex that way, too. I mean, it just takes a little bit of maybe a little demolition, couple jackhammers, couple park benches, a couple some planting over there, and maybe we'll make it into a into a beautiful area
that we can maybe be instead of the building, there can be something. So, I'm just it's just a thought. So, I just thought I'd share that with you >> and um think about it. do a workshop on it and I agree when you're on top of the
building. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else? We have any other speakers. >> Elizabeth Gomez, 19 Street. I might be clueless, but what about across the street on the Miller Lab where we put
all our signs? There's no electricity there. >> There's no there's no electricity currently, but I mean that can be installed. >> And that's just it. Yeah, because sometimes you have um the skylights that receive the sun and maybe that can power
it. But I think that would be a great place and eventually if we sell that we can make like a little area around the side where is trees and a walkway but everybody has to stop at that light and there's no obstruction coming from the
south and I think it will be a great spot to start something there. Thank you. Lion South. You're talking about the sign right out there. >> The only time that I could ever read it
is when I got off the road, turned around, came back. You cannot see it. It is a dangerous thing. Nobody goes 35 miles an hour. You sit right here at this meeting and you see them flying by. they're not interested is not the place
to have that song. What I miss most in present city is that lovely clock and the the weather temperature is 98 and it's 6:00. That's what I think we need a pretty
clock probably somewhere here cuz you are beautifying. You are beautifying them. I don't think that's going to help me. $20,000 doesn't sound like much. >> Do we have any other speakers?
>> If not, I'm going to close public comment. So, we have a motion to purchase this sign. Um, Commissioner Dvita. >> So, I have a question. It seems like there's two issues here. There's which sign to buy and then where to put the
sign where it will be useful. So if we buy it, is the plan to put it right where it is or are we going to decide where to put it at a later time because the motion I think is just to purchase the sign.
That's what that's all motion is for. Right. I I just don't want you in Right. you know, we're that stay the same kind of place. I mean, it was just kind of the way it was presented. I thought kind
of said that >> we could have some options. >> I didn't make a question. You said >> and I my intention was to purchase put it here and for now and let's try and see how hard it is to read and then move on from
there. All I know is we need a sign and I don't know if you're aware of this but right now there's it looks bad having a sign up but it doesn't even work. It kind of looks a little change. >> So do you want to amend your motion for replacement? >> Um sure. I will say to replace the
signification. >> Okay. And I'll I think I second it. Correct. Okay. Okay. So I'll second that. A second to be amended. So we have a proper motion and a second. We have any other discussion? >> Mr. Burton? >> No.
>> M you do roll call. >> Commissioner Burton. >> No. >> Commissioner Mors. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Lori. >> Hi. >> Commissioner. >> Hi.
>> Hi. >> Thank you. >> Could we take the five minute? Everyone's in agreement. Take a five minute break. Seven if you need it. This meeting is back in session. >> Um, now we can go ahead. We only have a
few more things in business. Why don't we go ahead and finish up business? Um, so >> thank you, mayor. Yes, appreciate that. Um, the next is our property sale briefing. Um, you all had a briefing requesting authorization to begin formal
surplus process for a city-owned parcel at 126 North Main Street. The adjacent business owner has expressed interest in purchasing all part of the property. Um, and staff seeks approval to engage a real estate professional and coordinate with planning and zoning to evaluate
feasible sale and partial configuration options. And so you're talking about parking house. >> He wants to buy it directly, not the entire parking lot, but just directly behind his his
>> Now he owns, when we say directly, it's not just the package store. He owns down to the end of the bar, which is where So is that the property you're talking about? all of that property. >> It's the if you went to the very north end of our property it and matched his
top property line from the matching property line that's that first property that first rectangle that he wants. Um the trees are encompassed. It doesn't go far south in front of our government building but it does go down where his bar is. So there would still be we would still have a very large piece of
property most of the parking lot about 70% of the existing parking lot back there >> because the sheriff's parking part there also. Yes, for voting for voting. >> It's more green space where he wants but he wants to expand the building for storage and also expand for his services he
>> So you're not asking tonight for permission to sell the property. You're asking us for the permission for you to engage in the preparation. >> Yes, it has to be property surplus. We have to deal with the real estate agent. There's a lot of steps in place and have to work with market planning and zoning
to see if we can even split out our property. All of that has to be answered. I'm asking permission to move forward in the next steps to be so >> we don't know what he's going to use it for. >> I think he's a storage area behind his
area. Yeah, he's he's like locked >> cuz he's right on the line. His property is right on the line. >> Yes. >> Um I have a question for Don. >> Yep. >> Um we don't have we don't have a realtor
that we work with. we have to put out in our back. >> Are you looking for a realtor or are you looking for somebody that gives you an estimate of value? >> What what do you what do you when you say real estate professional, what are you looking for? >> We would need the value and as well if we move forward with the surplus, I want
to have the realtor in place ready if the commission decides and that's something we can move forward with to move forward with proper surplus to sell the property. >> Majority of that buy. >> Oh, we do. But it I believe you had told me that it has to be properly surplus. It has to be open. >> It has to be open
>> to to others. >> Well, it has to be surplus. >> But as far as the Yeah, definitely. You have to declare it surplus property, but in terms of selling it, we can retain a realtor, but you don't have to retain a realtor. >> Okay, fair enough. >> We could certainly prepare deeds and
closing statements and and, you know, deal with title insurance. I it just have to be made available to I don't it's it's not permissible to single out a person and sell public property to but if you uh advertise it
for 30 days and you know in some fashion make it known that that property is going to be sold by the city solicit sealed bids. You can solicit bids with a minimum price. Anything you know anything no bid below this amount will
be even considered but above this amount. So it's sealed bids, any of that, any of that that you want to do. You can attend realtor, but you're going to pay a commission up from three to six%. >> Just like over here where we have our signs where contact city hall if you're interested in this property. We can do the same.
>> Yep. Absolutely. >> Yeah. So it's up to you. I'm not saying you can't, but if you do a realtor, like you said, you're going to have to probably do an RFQ because that is professional services and then select the real >> mayor.
The last time heard um you and myself and I don't remember who else on this commission had serious concerns about giving up parking back there. Um did that change somehow? I don't think I had serious concerns about
giving up parking. He's gonna leave some of that. I think he's going to leave >> probably the majority of that for parking. He's not going to build that property out so it would still be available to us for parking. >> Um I don't understand if he he's going to extend his building towards the back.
>> He has no storage. >> He has no storage. >> Okay. But if he if he extends it to the back, then he's taking up >> parking spaces and also possibly the driveway. >> I don't really understand how I mean I don't have a very good
understanding. There's no diagram in my packet of what how many um square feet or whatever we're talking about. What's that do to the configuration because um also the city owns the new and lodge
building next door. Um that building really has no parking. We have the sheriff's there and on voting days the parking lot is full. Um, and Pablo has complained that there's not enough
parking out front. So, I would like to see how much property we're talking about here. >> I don't know. He's going to figure that out. Authorization correction to figure something out and come back to us >> and I'll bring mapping. I'm looking at the map right now with county GIS. the
majority of the parking lot I would say um more than 50% or 80% actually is still available to us because what he's looking for is more of of a grassy area up there you have the drives that come
in and those are really the only um hard surface areas outside of the drive. It's a big island and there's a couple trees. He's not wanting to move in or do anything with that area. He's really wanting to expand his building out and provide a couple spaces of parking in the back. Because currently the property
line is at the building line, right? The property is at the property. >> It's at the property line or the building is the property line and that's where it's going to extend straight out. >> Okay. So what's the part about grassy area and the trees? He does want that. >> You were you were asking about that. You were concerned about parking. We would
retain the majority of the parking. >> Okay. But what about the grassy area and the trees? It would and right now in the conversations that I have that would be untouched and any work that would need to be done would have to go in front of planning and zoning and this commission
in order to get permitted. Okay. But it seemed like to me mayor and commissioners that if we're going to contemplate calling this surplus property is not surplus because someone needs it but surplus because we don't need it.
>> Well, okay. We can we can say we don't need it, but and I guess this is my question for Mr. Holmes, should we do some kind of assessment as to our need to use that property?
That's personal opinion on my part, but my part is uh my position is I think you should be very careful about selling any property that you have in a downtown area. U because you won't get
it back, not for any sort of price close to what you get for it now, right? And if you look around in Florida in South Pton, uh properties uh bringing high numbers and not all
property, I get that. But um if it's in your downtown area where you're going to require parking at some point in the future, um it's uh it it I think you should make an assessment. It's not for me to decide, but I think you should y'all should
decide whether or not you are really declaring it surplus. What is surplus? >> But that I guess that's my question. >> Yeah. Property that you think you're not going to need, never going to need, and you're going to make it available. Get rid of it. I mean, it's just it's it's your it's here. It's not bringing any
tax dollars. You don't foresee a need for it in the future. Get rid of um easy. If it's a 100 foot lot in Pomona Park for you if you're creating the city, but if it's in your downtown area,
is it is it something you're never going to need? Um, parking is something that from my perspective becomes a need >> for for for any any business area. Uh, and
even if you made it into a public parking lot, uh, with if you owned it, you could make it a public a parking lot, but he could theoretically lease some space in if you wanted it. U, but you still own it and
your lease would not necessarily be uh, permanent in nature. to reserve the right to, you know, to keep the land. >> I'm sorry, keep >> keep the land and depending upon how things, you never know how long. And I don't even know the gentleman you're talking about. So, I have no personal interest in it any way, shape, or form,
but he's got a business there now. Will he always have? Yes. >> Will they always need that parking area? Will somebody else in the future need that or more? Uh will you I I know just looking at the city of Kaka's situation
with regard to parking um it's uh hard to get back. That's all I'm just trying to say. But again, I you are much closer to this property than am I in terms of your familiarity with it and your knowledge of where you think your
growth is going to be. But in the answer to your question, and I guess I'm being very long-winded, but yes, I think you should definitely make an assessment of do you is it really something you want to get rid of? I mean, yeah, I understand you can generate some short-term money, but you know, and then if this gentleman has a real need for
parking that he's seeing is going to interfere with his business development, fine. You can still you can still enter into some public partner, private public partnership. So he pays for some cost of of uh development of it and to pay
parking and in return he gets you know a guarantee amount of lease. You don't have any taxpayers dollars in developing it but he doesn't get it forever. Just some ideas. >> I think the majority the real reason he wants because he wants to expand his building without
expand because the building is for the property. So if that's right and if he per if we empower Derek to go talk to them and work out maybe he just wants you know a 20 foot you know slice of it we still have parking we still have all
the rest of the land but then a business that's been in this community for 40 plus years can expand and have more >> I'm certainly not against that >> to me it just seems like we're not using it and if business can use it then we can help one of our business owners I'm not saying get it all up But let's at
least work something out. >> Sure. Um >> because I just think it's silly to hold on to a piece of property that >> and that's where the partial configuration comes in because if there's a setback need that's where our conversations with Mark Caret will let us know, hey, this is where you can go and then we can find out how to split
that out that makes the best sense for the city and for Pablo. And that that's really what I want to do. or even with with like Don said, I mean, I was with branding company this Monday and that's what the one thing they said is parking. No matter what community you go into,
it's always an issue. >> Always a shortage. >> You never have enough parking. You never have enough parking. But with Pablo, I you know, just like with what Don said, I maybe you reach out and talk to Pablo and see is is he wanting to put some
sort of a storage facility there? um that that we could work out an arrangement with him to where we still retain ownership. >> Okay. >> Um >> or a portion like you said, he only needs a portion of it. >> He only needs that back, you know,
>> 10 or 20 feet to that effect >> because ultimately we're trying to be a good neighbor because the county, we own that building and everybody that goes to the county office, they go in that front door >> and They use his parking lot.
>> Yeah. >> For that. It takes away from his business from being able to park in there. >> Um and he's been a very good steward as a very good neighbor as far as that's concerned. So >> yeah, I didn't mean to imply you should turn a deaf ear to a business person
who's >> Oh, I I'm absolutely you you never if you if you let it go, you can't get it back. >> And so once you let it let it go, that's it. So, commissioners, I mean, um, I guess we should do we want to give Derek
approval to go and and >> talk to Pablo, um, and see just exactly what he needs. I mean, he has come to us and he has spoken to us about it and see what he could what he could live with. >> Yes.
>> Yeah. Is that is the commission okay with that? >> Um, and talk to Absolutely. >> And talk to Mark about what the possibilities are based on that property that we have. >> Okay.
>> The the last time we discussed this, the concerns I heard raised and that I shared was that we want to maintain the value of county offices there because so many people come here to use the county
offices both here and in Valuchia. So I just think you know we need to think long and hard before we start deciding that something is surplus because we have two very viable entities there and
one of them we owned that viable entity that that was our prior discussion. Um so I'm I'm very concerned about this. I I understand Pablo does great business um but this community too.
>> Yeah. Well, I I know that, but um just you have to put everything in and you can't do you can't look at it just from one direction. Um so, well, I think that's what we're not doing. I think if we were just to open it up and surplus
it, we would be looking at it from one direction. But if we ask him to go in and talk to Pablo and see, you know, what Pablo, how we could all work together. >> I think that's basically what I'm saying. How can we all work together? He's been a good neighbor. We also want
to be a good neighbor. >> Um, >> and because he could close off that whole front parking lot and the whole county office had would have park in the back and walk around. I I move that we um empower the city manager to approach Pablo. I cannot say
his last name. I apologize. Um the business owner and um you know talk to him and see what's going on and see if we can come to a conclusion to be good neighbors and bring it back to us. Do I have a second? >> I'll second.
>> We have a proper motion in a second. Commissioners, do we have any further discussion? >> We have any public comments on this? >> We have no one come forward. Miss Taylor, I'm going ask you to go ahead and do a roll conference. >> Commissioner,
>> hi. >> Mr. Moore, >> I >> Mr. War. >> Hi, >> Mr. Nay. >> Mayor Mars. >> Hi. Thank you very much. >> Thank you very
um workshop discussion. So we've got several workshops that we need to get done. This was I did ask um Derek to bring this up. Um we've talked about this in the past. Uh we've brought it
up, we've workshopped it, and that was the minimum maintenance standards. Um that was both for interior and exterior. We've got a lot of uh push back on that as far as the interior, even though we assured everyone that without proper legal instruments, we could never enter
into someone's property. So, I'm wondering at this time if the commission I really think when you drive around that maybe we should revisit exterior minimum maintenance standards >> and I think that and international.
>> Yes, it is. It is international and those are the ones that we worked off of >> and those are the ones that we worked off of >> before. >> Um and this would of course pertain to the um exterior. >> So I'd like us I'd like to see that was
my request. Um we also know that we have to have a security um that will be a special meeting that should not probably work. >> Correct. There's a financial aspect to That'll be a special meeting. And with the security um that's also going to be
um Don said that should be I guess we call that >> I don't know we call it a shade meeting for the security for setting up our security. >> It's it's an executive meeting. It's uh it's exempt from sun specifically exempt from from sunshine requirements
>> for the security >> if you're just but and I think I've sent an email about how you what you have to how you have to go about that. >> Um and then of course we've got ebikes, golf carts, and electric scooters. We have a lot of ebikes running around town
now and these electric scooters. So I guess we just compile that as one big policy as um so does everybody Yes. Commissioner Dita. >> So um
we had a request from the executive director of the downtown partnership to have some kind of workshop with them. um which I think actually we should have a discussion among ourselves to figure
out where we want to go. Um, so I just wanted to bring up that we had that request and I think we said we would meet that request um or rent quest but also um when we're discussing minimum maintenance standards um I have brought
up my concern um and I would like us to put this also on the same workshop um that we have a non-resident property owner registration ordinance. It's a lot more It's a lot easier to do and more simple than minimum maintenance
standards. Um, communities started to enact these when we had the um the real estate bust back in what was it 2008. Um, when you look around, we have both um residential and commercial properties
that are bankowned or owned by someone from out of town and those are the ones that come up most frequently with our code issues. So, I really would like us to um to add that to the same workshop as the home standards.
>> Y >> So, does everybody know calendar out? >> I couldn't hear what >> does everyone? >> Oh, okay. >> Um so, we're are we talking about two different workshops and a closed meeting? Yes.
>> Yes. >> And that would be a special meeting. >> Closed meeting can be a portion of another meeting. I mean, it doesn't have to be separately called, of course. >> Anybody have any dates that they are not available or that we may go ahead and eliminate? My my question is what does
the what time frame is the city manager thinking of that we should be looking at sooner I mean and then minimum maintenance standards even though we already have that and we've gone through it so he's going to have to go give and strike through so that might take that might that will definitely take us into
April probably sometime towards April that give you enough time >> okay um so that one we could do in April >> I I will not be available April 6 >> day 15. >> Is that not an inconvenient day for some
people? >> That's tax day. >> I'm just saying. >> I mean, we'll be fine. I just want to be considerate. That's fine. somebody else is a lot of people aren't real happy that day >> or or they're
putting the pedal to the metal. I don't know. Um I guess April 15th would work. >> At what time? >> Um >> what is this for the April 15th? >> We could do that one. I think we would do our You want to do our security one
for that? Is that how's that date work for you, Don? >> That date right now is good with me. I mean, it's not a good day, but it's good for me. >> April 15th. >> What time would work for you? >> Right now, um, it's Wednesday. I don't have any regularly scheduled meetings on Wednesday, so I'm pretty open. I can I
can work around you. >> Okay. >> What time do you want to try? >> Um, we could do at 1:00. >> We could start with that at one >> and that would be our special our executive meeting. That would be an
executive meeting and then um we could do the ebike golf carts immediately following that. >> Okay. And mayor, I think I can find I don't know if our city manager is going to want to do this, but I can find a
non-resident property owner registration. >> Okay. >> And they're not that complicated. I think we could probably consider that. >> I think we should put that probably with our minimum maintenance.
>> Well, my thought was minimum maintenance standards are quite complex. Non-resident property owner registration ordinances are usually short. >> I don't think it would take us that long. Can we give it a try if we don't get to it? >> Yeah. The only thing so we would be
workshopping that because we because that would not be part of our special meeting because that's an executive meeting and that >> that's what I'm suggesting that we do the special meeting. >> Okay. >> Do the ebikes golf carts and then workshop. No, not not bring it up for a
meeting. Just workshop the non-resident property owner registration. I think that might help our code enforcement. Um, and then the only thing I wanted to say is I believe um that the legislature just sent an ebike and maybe electric
scooter piece of legislation to the governor. I haven't looked at it. I'm wondering, you know, we have to look at that. Yeah, probably have to because it might say it might give us the authority to go further,
>> right? >> Yeah. So at least we could have that we could have that opportunity to look at it and see what's available for him to sign and we know where we could go from there. Okay. >> Yes. >> We're going to and then we'll follow it
immediately following that we'll have the workshops. >> So how long do you think this um security policy meeting would take? Do you think >> there's a financial aspect? There's a financial aspect to it. Um that shouldn't take too long. And there's
about three or four pages of policy. Um I would think it would take >> by >> we should. So by 3 at 3:00 or immediately following. So we could do it at 3:00 or immediately following. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So we'll do that on the
golf carts are not that complicated. >> No, we've had that. We've already got we've already got some stuff in front of us. So, that should be pretty easy to do. Okay. And then the minimum maintenance standards. Um, we can do that.
Um, >> does anybody have any other dates available? I know I'm not available. Um I believe the 24th through the 29th.
I'm not available. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Could we What about Wednesday the 22nd? >> Um I am. Are you Is everyone else available? >> What does Wednesday the 22nd look like? Um, let's do that one at one also.
>> Can anybody want That's minimum maintenance standards. >> You can probably do that one without me. >> Yes. >> And what's the date there? >> Um, the 22nd at one at 1:00. >> It's just a workshop. >> Yeah, that's just a workshop. and we've
already got um so you don't have to reinvent the wheel. You can look back on previous meetings. We already have that. Okay. >> Um so we can just pull that forward and just take out the any of the interior if that's what the commission pleases. I
do want to mention on the 21st the night before that and I don't know major as did you talk about the law enforcement memorial? >> Okay. Okay. Good. Thank you very much. Thank you. I'm on that 1024. everybody that lives.
>> Thank you. If you have never gone to that, it's um it's uh very moving and so please if you can that would be a great opportunity. Um okay, so we've got that set.
Then I guess we're going to go back and I can recess this and we're going to take that CR. Correct. Is that correct? Thank you all. Thank you everyone for um doing that. I appreciate that. Again, I apologize for my tardiness. So, at this time, I'm going to resize our and we're
going to open up our CRA and let's start with Thank you, mayor. I appreciate that. Um, as for the agreement of services between the city, CRA, and Cry City, uh, Downtown Partnership, the partnership is
requesting funding of $12,500 for the second quarter of 2026, as you can see. and your packet you have the invoice recap of the activities for the first quarter a description of their planned activities for the second quarter 2026 and also in front of you um I printed
out you'll have it in front of you not probably not in your packet but you will have the most recent financials which was sent in a separate email so I printed it for this meeting >> and it's and that's their statement of activity
by You should do one. >> I do not I do not. >> Okay. Commission. Do we have a any comments on any of this? >> Oh, do we need a motion before we
discuss a motion? >> Not before we discuss it. >> We don't. Do we don't? >> Um, typically, you know, there's nothing on the floor right now unless you skip this for discussion. So, I mean, a motion is often in order.
So, um I would move that we um approve the downtown partnerships request for the quarterly payment, the second quarterly payment. And I think the period is April through June. Is that right?
>> That's correct. April through June. Um in the amount of $12,500 um according to the um memorandum of understanding that we have them. approved. Second. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second.
So, Commissioners, do we have any discussion on this? >> Go ahead, Commissioner Burton. Okay. There's been a lot of discussion from constituents um that have talked to me personally
about the downtown partnership and Main Street. And I hate to say this, but a lot of it is kind of in a negative sense that they don't really feel it's working. Um,
you know, I look at uh kind of what what they have planned. I I can turn this around. I just really haven't seen a lot that has come out of the uh downtown partnership. I'm not involved with the downtown town
partnership, so I can't see what all is going on all the time. That's something that we did not involve with and I'm a person that feels that it's really up to the downtown partnership to figure out what the
heck's going on and fix it. And but I'm hearing that there's just a lot of friction. So I wouldn't mind if you telling us what's going on if that's possible.
or if you just don't want to talk about it because we're giving you a lot of money and I don't see a whole lot coming out out of out of the partnership. I see a few things that come out of the partnership but it's really not kind of coming out of the partnership. I don't know how to explain that but
um I don't know I don't know if anybody else has any any anything what I'm saying but I am hearing a lot of uh negative uh comments right now
>> speak maybe and it'll perhaps help direct >> the conversation. So, I was asked to review the MOU is what it's called. In my opinion, it it is a binding document. It has the necessary language.
And the reason I'm saying that as a preface is because I hope that your discussion will be aimed at whether or not the downtown partnership is complying with its obligations as
they're set forth in article four and article five of yourou because those really are your your operative requirements. And I I could go further if you'd like, but otherwise, if I can, I'll just
direct your attention to article four and five, uh, which I believe defines their obligations, and those are the conditions upon which your $12,500 payments are are are made.
>> Mayor, if I could to speak to that. Um it was either that the the last request for quarterly payment or the one before that or maybe both. Um I had raised the concern um one of the main obligation as
I understand it and I don't have the ML in front of me but I've looked at it before. I asked him copying tonight but I don't see it. um is that they pursue the four-point approach and um what I
saw in our packet mainly um talked about um activities and so u I think we all have answers to the questions that I asked um
that really went towards are you um are you work what are you doing on the four points And it seems to me from the answers that we got um that they are working on the
other four points um particularly economic vitality which is very important. Apparently they are um doing outreach with the Fruitland Historical Society of the Little House.
Um so they are um initiating activities to address the four points. Um I too have heard that there are some frictions. Um and I myself actually had a very negative experience there. Um
that I want to address I guess later. Um but it is not uncommon when you have an organization composed of people to have disagreements. organizations go through ups and downs. They expand. They contract. Um my recollection is that um
this was a particularly a particular project of the mayor and also Commissioner Burton. Um y'all were very involved in getting it started. we went to Tallahassee. I met with the Secretary of State and um you know at one point we
had a lot of volunteers but I I just think um you know I think they've hung in there and they've made um they've made progress. We have we have things happening that we did not have happening before. Um and I would like to I would
like them to have a more long range plan. Um, and I as well I agree with Comm Mr. Burton. Um, you know, I think we should give uh the volunteers or the officers a chance um to speak, >> but but I see um I asked questions and
they answered and the city manager sent those answers um to all to all of us. >> Okay. Thank you. I um and you're right. I I I knew in the I
knew when I when I ran for office that the city needed something and I didn't know what but we needed something to bring some life back to present city. Um the main street and a lot of people get very confused with the main street. Main
street's a structure. The partnership is a partnership which the main street provides that structure to the partnership. It's a significant designation that you have to work hard for. Um, and to get
that from the Secretary of State's office to have that recognized and it it's very prestigious um, across the nation. It it puts us in in it gives us a bump up when we're going for grants. Uh, there is a lot of networking with
it. It brings a lot. But in the beginning, we were gungho and it was exciting and there was life breath brought back to Crescent City. Um what has been happening just in the
last I I want to say since we separated since we separated out the city um with a partnership is it's lost its in my opinion this is just my opinion um its
momentum. that's lost the majority of its volunteers. I've asked them numerous times to go in and do an exit interview with your volunteers. Find out why your volunteers are not there anymore. What happened? We had so many people wanting to be involved that are not involved
anymore. We the commission have um a fiduciary responsibility for these dollars. these dollars that we put into this part to the partnership, quite honestly, it takes away from other things within our CRA that it could be
used for. And so I think that we need to make sure that however these dollars are spent that we monitor those dollars to make sure that our residents who pay into those are getting what they deserve for that.
at the last meeting um that you came to us and you asked us about the um for this that we've obligated to to give you. Uh there was concern raised that
there's not a presence there, especially not a full-time presence anymore. I don't even know if there's a part-time presence. Um, and and please understand I'm not I'm not going after anybody. I'm not naming names, but um
oftent times that that door is closed more than it's open. And I know if we had a CRA director here that we were paying $50,000 a year to, we would darn sure expect that person to be in his
office and performing. The events have dropped off. And when I looked at when I when I sat down and I looked at right now, you've got just from what I
could see, you're paying out about $2,100 a month just in expenses, including your rent, your utilities, insurance, phone, I guess, and and to it, constant contact. Um, you've got events on here that look like they might
make um, I know the tea, which was wonderful. I know it was a lot of hard work, but it was everybody really enjoyed it. It paid $1,200. Um, but that's really the only event you have for that month. And so eventually,
if you're running this like a business and you're looking at your events and you take and you go through each month your events, your events are not meeting your your monthly cost and that doesn't
include that doesn't include the payroll. And so, you know, I went and spoke at the last meeting. Um, we've had new leadership. I do believe we need to give the new leadership an opportunity to maybe
work on how they can re-energize and bring life back into this because I do believe that we need this here in our community. It's vital and we all know it's hard work but even with a business
when you start a business it's hard work and the first five years you know sometimes that's why most businesses go out in those first five years because it's hard work um >> yes >> so I am I I'm I'm concerned that we are
giving you know $12,500 every quarter and I don't see and that really is going towards salary dollars and I don't see those the return on our
investment at this time and I do believe there has to be some sort of a return on investment. So again, not to be the lawyer in the room, but um in my reading the document, >> it's always interesting when I look at a
document and there's concern about performance to see what parameters have been established in the document that you can objectively look to in determining whether or not they've been achieved. I'm not familiar with this organization,
but when I look at the document, what I see, the closest thing I see to parameters are uh in article five where it states that they're to implement a comprehensive program based on the four-point approach that Commissioner Devito mentioned recommended by the
National Main Street Center, which shall include, and this is the part I want to emphasize, the development of annual written work plan submitted to CRA within 90 days of the effective there of this agreement which would have been by 1126. Did they do that?
>> Yes, they did. Yes. Yes, they did. We did get that. >> And then from there it says among other things here, I mean it's got some generic language. They've established a strong broad-based organizational system to include committees for organization.
That's that's that's not as precise a parameter that you can gauge, but it does then in item paragraph 4 state they shall submit quarterly progress reports along with any other information requested by the CRA which shall include
the progress made for completion of the work plan goals and accomplishments. And I think those are parameters. You have a work plan you say. I don't know what all it included. But the question then is are the reports that are being submitted
show that they're making progress towards completion of the of of those of those goals. There is a section that states they're supposed to raise and expense sufficient funds to support administration of the program and meet program objectives. That again pretty it's it's kind of
generic. Raise and expense sufficient funds to support administration of the program and meet program objectives. it it does specifically state they're supposed to be self-supporting and I know that you you are are in fact supplementing the money that or giving them money. So all I I'm not it's not my
intent to participate necessarily in the discussion just to indicate that I think that your discussion probably should center around okay >> those those those items that they they submitted a plan you said >> uh now they submitted a plan what are there reports showing that they are
making progress toward completing the plan >> and that's and and the last one that you that you um spoke about Don is really where I'm going with this is because I don't see a business plan. I They have a plan. They have submitted a plan. I
don't see a plan that um that is making them self-sufficient. As a matter of fact, they've given us here and it looks like the net income for right now. It shows $5,800 of which my question would be to them. I
know we have $6,500 that I believe was supposed to be for the bike fest and if that's included in this 58 or if that has been extracted out. So Rachel is that could you answer that for us? Come
forward >> because we had talked about in the very beginning that with monies that were made from bike fest. >> Yes. My name is I'm a current president of the Christ down partnership.
Um the bank account is one bank account as of right now. >> Okay. So this amount that you have so that amount that >> that is our amount that we have >> including that includes that 6500 >> right from the grant and the payment
commission. >> I said that's the state of activity that's not a balance. That's just your income and your expenditures for the first three months. >> For the first three months, right? Um in December we have a donation that covered art funds for January. In
February we had the T and in March we'll have the petition art market and that will get us our rent for the bonus. >> Okay. >> It's not a longterm solution. It's a short-term one, but we are making rent right now.
>> You are making your rent right now? >> Right now? Yes. >> Is that based on the activities that you have planned or is that based on funds that you had um already that you had already gathered? >> Well, the T bar in um >> $1,200
>> $1,200 and the vintage spin market has to bring in approximately $1,200 as well. Do you have any questions for me? >> Um I guess um and then I have a couple questions for my fellow commissioner of
the mayor. Um so Rachel, I just can't call you Miss Kla. I know you too well. Um and thank you for being the president. Um how how do you feel? Do you have a um a
plan or are you going to devise a plan to um increase your uh volunteer recruitment? >> Um we're having our promotions meeting on Monday and we've tried to reach out to as many people as we can think of to
get bodies in the room that are willing to help. >> Okay. Um that good to know. And for the um how many businesses are participating? >> Um we have economic vitality what we did
last year that had a few of our merchants in it. Uh right now there's not an active economic vitality. Tim would be the chair for that. >> Okay. because I have heard for example that um a couple of businesses located
at summit were participating in one way or the other that they were donating um items and they told me that directly. I don't know. >> You don't don't >> I'm not sure what I'm talking about. I'm sorry. >> That's okay. And I don't want to I don't
want to talk out of turn about what people have and have not given. So I'm not going to name any names that they were central business district people. Um at the moment I don't have any more questions for the president, but I I do
um if anybody else has questions I I would wait till after that. I have some observations and some questions for my fellow commissioners to have a discussion. >> Um, do you have any questions? >> Well, you know, I received a packet per
se >> and this packet went on to move move through the the first part of this year basically saying everything that we had planned didn't happen. And and I'm putting it kind of in a nutshell, right? Um
and then in the foreseeable future a lot of things that you had planned are not going to happen. Um specific example >> perhaps >> um I I wish I had brought it with me and and I during uh the whole day today
which was kind of messed up a little bit. Uh I believe I left it in the car that went up to uh in the up. Yeah. So So um yes, this is what I kind of saw, but but
uh you know there was the u optimize the dance studio space. Uh it says it really, you know, didn't happen. >> We can um bring Tim up. He's been working on getting rentals for that space and the dance studio um is
utilized by dancers still. >> Yeah. I mean, this is a this is just a a really long list of of stuff that doesn't seem to come to fruition and and uh you know, it's I just I guess I don't understand why. I
know that you're short people. >> It's a it's a work plan, too. It's a fluid document. Just because it's not done in January doesn't mean we can't do it in June. um it's a it's a guideline not a set in stone document. So if it says that it's supposed to be done from January to March, it does not mean that I can't do
it in June, July or August, but it will it will still be accomplished. It just not necessarily happen in January through March. >> Well, January through March is a lot of time things didn't happen. I don't know. You know, I'm just saying
this is the way people are kind of looking at it. Okay. And so I'm not I'm not going to stand here and just go through the whole thing. Like I say, I've just gotten some very negative reviews and um and I just haven't seen
much happening, you know, myself really. So I'm going to say I don't know what else to say. I know it's a lot of money. >> I I want to I just want to say that you also are dealing with differences of opinions and you have different
personalities and what you might one person might see as a failure is not necessarily, you know, we all have different viewpoints and I I obviously am involved because I I get to hear about all of this every day. Um and
there's a lot that they're doing. Um whether it's a success or not is up for debate, but they're doing things that we've had great events in the last two years, three years that we haven't had before, I think, you know, it's an investment that will pay off, but we
have to not just yank the rug out of them every 5 seconds when we don't think that they're doing good enough. That's reason the reason we happen to know you is so that it just doesn't the you know, shifting winds doesn't cut them out. So, I would just say, >> well, I would love a job that I can go
to and not get anything done for >> that's matter of opinion and I'm not talking I'm talking about the organization. >> Um, we have a review that says do these things. In my opinion, they're doing them. Um, it's been a whole changer
leadership. Um, and that was a lot to deal with. Um, as as you all know, you can't just have everybody disappear the next day and have to take over. Um, it's been a lot. So, I think this is people are getting a little too micromanagy on something that's not ours to
micromanage. >> Well, that's and that's why I didn't vote for the contract because it's our dollars. I mean, it's it's not our dollars, but it's the city's dollars. And when I say that, I always mean because we have the fiduciary responsibility. And and and
you know, some of the commissioners felt like we should not micromanage that. and I and I felt differently. And so here here we here we sit and Don's telling us basically that that as it appears that you're meeting those requirements
as set out in that >> um and but we're the ones that have to really um we're the ones that have to be accountable to to the taxpayers >> and and I I didn't offer an opinion whether they were they weren't meeting the requirements. My opinion was simply
that if they're meeting the requirements, you're obliged to keep funding. Um, and to an extent, Commissioner Li is correct. Whether they're meeting the requirements is can if there aren't objective,
articulable standards established, then the question of whether they're meeting the standards becomes subjective, right? And that's by definition. That's logic. So if you got specific objective standards that they have to meet under a plan, then you can look to see whether
they're meeting them. But if you don't, if you got general concepts and and fuzzy language, then whether or not they're meeting them becomes an individual opinion, right? That's that's >> where that's the way it is. >> So yeah, I don't know whether they're
meeting them. I didn't mean to imply didn't mean to state an opinion. No. >> So, um I had a lot of questions about Main Street when it was first formed and um you know I I know we you talked about
the energy that it brought and that is very very important. Um the questions I had were based on my perspective as a longtime community volunteer. I have put
on I don't know how many festivals as part of a committee. Um I've >> pardon >> here city. >> Um I've participated with Rotary. I've in um Tampa with my community where I
was president of my civic association. I participated in many community organizations. So my observations when the downtown partnership was um created were based on that very very significant
experience. So the city actually created downtown. >> Um I believe Charles Rudd um helped u he orchestrated he prepared and signed their papers and it was um
>> you know this commission that decided Mr. Red recommended that the board of directors have its current form. Um, I'm not sure the board of directors is the usual kind of board of directors for a mainstream organization and I think it
might help them to look at how the board of directors is structured because I don't believe um that there are too many businesses on it. It was this commission that
upon Mr. Red's recommendation that decided it was time for the Main Street organization to move out of the annex and into that rental space. I did not necessarily agree with I thought it was
a little premature like that poor eagle that tried to fly the other day and wound up in Miss Love Day's backyard and almost got eaten by her dog. I just thought it was a little too soon for them to spread their wings that they were encouraged to do so. And the one
thing that I particularly think um that has not helped them is the emphasis the recommendation that they have such a heavy lifting listing of events. And um
y'all weren't happy with me a couple years ago when I said, and I said I meant this in a very helpful spirit, um that there's too many events for the number of volunteers that we have in
town and that you are going to burn out your volunteers, but they were encouraged to have that many events. And I don't think it's at all fair to say, well, you plan these things that you haven't done all of them. I think uh
trial and error is part of all this. You there was a big list of events. Uh I looked at that list of events based on the population of Crescent City and the number of organizations and people that we have. I don't think it was even remotely sustainable and it probably has
um not helped them move forward. organizationally. So, um I remember a mayor said to me a couple years ago, "Well, don't offer suggestions. Just come and help." Well, the people who are criticizing now, I don't know if they need volunteers, if these people are
free to volunteer. >> Oh, I'm out there. >> That would be careful. Be careful. >> Talk to other people. >> But be careful because you talk to other people. I'm not talking about you. That's how it was. However, okay, so um
Commissioner Lori mentioned maybe we should micromanage. I agree with that. I think we can offer helpful suggestions. If they take them, they do. If they don't, they don't. But, um it's a work in progress. Every Main Street is
different. Um I think in some ways ours has accomplished more than some other Main Street organizations that um they've told me about, they've gone and visited. Um, I have a lot of experience in volunteer management and um, and I've done a good
job at it. Um, I've been very successful at it and uh I think I think that the partnership could use some guidance in volunteer management and I think we need to let them find the
level of activities that they can do that will be the most helpful to our city. Um, and it needs the help of all of us. But for us to get them started and to tell them we're going to give them this money for
the full-time, they had our full approval for this. And um I just I don't think we should pull the rug out from under them. I think we need to let them try their best um to get established as
an organization and they need to work on volunteer recruitment, volunteer management, reorganize their board to be more in line of what I understand is recommended by the main street organization that might really help them. But I, you know, you went through a lot
to get this started and it has created energy. Um, I think maybe all of us need to look at what we can do to support them or possibly get out of their way. >> And I'm going to say that from Charles's perspective,
um, it was really my understanding, Rachel, please correct me if I'm if I'm wrong, that the partnership wanted to spread their wings and that's why they wanted their own they wanted their own location. And >> I almost say that we supported that
>> a separation of church and state. It was that people were confusing us that we were a branch of the city. >> Yeah. >> And that it it was kind of like a to make the confusion a little bit less cuz everybody kind of thought you guys are doing this for this as the city. I
think the city of Carson City was putting on these events and it wasn't the downtown partnership. It was the city across the city. So that led to a lot of animosity towards certain aspects of the positions within the organization. So separation of church and state.
>> Okay. And I and I that was my that was my understanding that was my understanding of it >> but I believe it was recommended by city staff. So anyway um there's been a lot of um blood, sweat, and tears expended.
I think they've made progress um in Crescent City which is not a very affluent town and we don't have big population um I think and mayor you got it started I think they've accomplished quite a bit
>> and there are other communities that are smaller than our tasties is one of them who is doing gang busters so you have to I I don't want us to limit ourselves just because we're a small community a small community can do great things. >> Mayor, it's my understanding that
Hastings has some very wealthy property owners that are underwriting their activities and that is apples and oranges to what we have. >> That is, but they also have to have volunteers in order for that to happen. So, >> um Rachel, I do have a question for you
and then I'll and I'll be done. Um so this money while it doesn't speak to it in thisou directly it is supposed to go to the funding of the executive director. >> Um that was the intent for which it was
given. >> Yes. >> Um that executive director I believe answers to you. Is that you? >> Executive board. >> Yes. >> Um have you set out for that executive director? Does he have guidelines that
certain hours must be met here in Crescent City? >> I'm getting conflicting reports. It's something I wanted to talk to homes about last week. >> Okay. >> And that's that's really one of my biggest concerns is to make sure because
we it's we have a fiduciary responsibility here. We want to get out of your way. We I want you to be so successful that people are using us as a model. Um, and I have all along. And I I even said the other night that I feel like we need to do maybe maybe a step
back and and um and look at where we are, where our weaknesses are, where our strengths are and how we can improve on those. Um, but I think that starts with the leaders with leadership and I know you just taking that over.
>> Yes. Very new to the position. Thank you. >> Yes. And so this is in no in no regards, please understand >> criticism towards you. >> We understand. Yeah, we understand. So we have a um >> you need to say >> I'd like to make a suggestion. I'll make
this quick and concise. I believe under a mutual agreement, you can modify theou. I believe that you can make the obligation stronger and come up with an agreement between both parties. One of them that I believe would be important for me to look at and
something that would help you all is not a quarterly report that goes with their money that they're asking for, but a monthly report that's given to the city manager that I could include into my city manager report so you all know what they're doing every single month and how they're meeting their obligation. if
there are other clear definitive articulable uh obligations that you wanted to add that's something that I believe we should work together to uh come up with a mutual agreement and modify the current and that's my suggestion
>> so yes ma'am >> I'm sorry >> most people can normally hear me but okay um I've dealt with a lot of uh Main Street, downtown
Palaca, different programs. And one thing that I think seems to be inherent is a lack of definition as terms of expectations and delivery.
Um, and I understand I heard you say that y'all it was your intent to give them their wings and let them fly. so to speak. Um, but that's the opposite of defining uh
expectations and then having them report on deliverables, right? >> So, it may be that it would be good for everybody, both sides, to figure out exactly what the concept is that you're looking to employ. um
under the contractor you're obligated to pay them 125 unless you can come to the agreement that they failed on one of these obligations that I didn't write the contract uh but it's here. So, um, if
they're at a point where they're struggling to reorganize, you're struggling with what you're getting, maybe it's not a bad time for you mutually to sit down and try to figure out if there's a u
an an expectation that they think they can meet that will satisfy you. When I have over the years talked to young attorneys that have been in my firm, I've told them that from my experience, one of the biggest issues that attorneys
run into if they have clients with problems is a lack of communication or understanding and at the outset as to what the attorney thinks he can provide and what the client expects. Because if you don't have that clear at the outset,
you're destined for failure. you you're that's just fact. I can explain it if you need it, but I don't think it you do. And that that applies to what you're doing here, too. If there's not a clear understanding from them of your expectations and then then an honest
assessment by them of whether they can deliver, we're just going to go through this every every time 125 every time the payment comes up. So maybe that's the answer is you go through this every time the payment comes up until the year's over and then
you don't have fun again or maybe you know maybe I heard someone say that they thought there was too many events and then I don't know someone else may not think there's too many events and I don't know what their thoughts are as to what they think they're accomplishing or their method of accomplishing it is. Um,
but maybe what Derek is suggesting is not a bad idea that you guys sit down together and talk about what the commission thinks they're trying to accomplish through this through this main street or through funding it. >> You're not funding it, then you don't care what they do. I mean,
theoretically, I guess, >> yeah, if we didn't have that and that's what that's what I'm falling out, too, is that, you know, that's the problem. >> We've got the future responsibilities. And to be fair on that point, the executive director has asked us twice to have a workshop when we have not.
>> Yeah. What I just said, so they can set up a work. We can set up a workshop um to go over that and see what what options are there. Um >> so we do have a motion. >> We do have a motion. Um I think we've got some people that probably want to
speak, so I'll open it up for public comment. If we have anybody that would like to come forward and speak, please come forward. State your name and your address if you will. >> Okay. My name is Jane Py. I'm at 828 Orange Avenue, Crescent City,
and I have been placed in um the director of the art for the downtown partnership. So all the windows and all the plants and all that kind of been my responsibility since I started with
them. But I want to tell you that I only started a year and a half ago. I was I was invited by someone from my church that is very very active in doing all of the huge amounts of responsibility that takes to do this
worship. And as you know, I entered it with probably a lot of volunteers and a whole different set of people that were running the running the the the whole whole boat, so to speak.
And um I was kind of taken back because I had been here 30 years and they were pretty much telling me when I first met them that we hadn't accomplished anything
here in city. Well, since I've been here, I've been picking up garbage on the side of the road, helping to develop the trees that are down the center of the the highway here. I have been on many
boards since I've been in Crescent City for 30 years and actively done everything I could. Even when I wasn't living in town, I was coming to town to pick up garbage along the side of the road. But that's who I am. I'm I've
always been a hands-on person, but always looking to see something that would improve Crescent City because I've come from other places and been on many many city count city council meetings
and made many many suggestions on what my little towns and every single one of them that I lived in was small just like this one. And but I was I've probably moved 34 times in my life. But when I
met Trusted City, I've been here now 30 years. I haven't wanted to go anywhere. But while I've been here, they had no activities. And unless you sat at a bar, unless you drank, unless you had a glass of wine in
your hand, you had nowhere to go. No activities were even available for us. you know, unless I was part of the AA group, which I always thought, well, maybe I should be part of the AA group. Maybe I'll do something or do something. But anyway, it was that did not exist
until all of a sudden there was this little group called the Downtown Partnership that came along and started doing things and started creating with Cindy at the at the at Stella with music
that was in the street and going and hearing jazz bands. Then there was art strolls. There was all this great things. Then there was markets. all these great things were happening and I could and it contributed to all these
great people with all this great energy including you Michelle as to you know to make this all happen and I wanted to be part of it >> and when I got there a year and a half everything kind of started getting like
Cindy said we had some of the underlining friction started well like you know every group has friction and everybody has volunteers and they have only a certain amount of energy
that they can give to anything and they got tired. There were people that were doing theater month after month after month they were doing activities and like you said we only had a certain amount of people volunteers
that could put up the the the decorations of the gazebo that could put up the lights in the park that could put up tents down the road when we did break white boom you know and everybody started to like kind of like Yeah
the volunteers went. They retired. Some of them had jobs that they still went to. Some of them still back go back to their jobs. Some of them had hip problems. You know, they gotten older. >> So, we we talk about the exit about how
people got out of out of doing volunteer work. That's really the bottom line. Sometimes it's that it's purely simple as that. It's not that we haven't wanted to get people involved. We would love to open up the doors of that partnership,
which we have, and have people walk in and have people participate, but they have to be the right people, and they have to have the same kind of energy. Not saying that I'm the best volunteer in the world, but have energy and
enthusiasm to get things done. And I think that's what we're really looking for. We're looking for people that continue your vision, Michelle, and and send your vision to continue to do that wonderful job. But it's not always Tim's
not always. You don't open up a door at the partnership at headquarters. You're doing work sometimes at home. He's on the computer 247 looking for looking for people. I need to do this, but I have to.
>> I'm just It's not as simple. It's not as simple. What did What do people do? I have somebody that look that's right next to us, Scott, that's literally looking at Tim every single time he comes in that door. And it's almost like he has to have a time clock as to
whether he's there or not. He's there all the time in spirit and and and I know him because I've been working with him side by side and he has that enthusiasm and just give us the chance to re re reconnect and go forward and
give you what you need and just give us give us a chance just let's let's do that. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Okay. Do we have any other speakers? Please come forward. >> I'm going to ask you to limit your time
to three minutes. I should let this >> um Thank you. >> Angel J. Okay. 404 North Lake Street, Crescent City. I sit here sat there listening to all the comments. And anyone who know me and
gotten to know me over 13 years since I came out, they know I'm about inclusion. I think a lot of people don't come because in our world who we are, they ask the question, who's that group? What do they do? It's up to us to bring them
in. It's up to us to go out and reach out to the community to make them feel welcome and they'll come. They won't they get emotional because they won't volunteer. But if they don't know who we are or what we need them
for, how could they possibly volunteer? That's been my question since I've been back home. And anyone who knows me, I'm always going to talk about inclusion and diversity. So we reach out and when we touch, they'll come. I do believe that
we have to do our homework. And I'm not afraid to stand here and say this. I said a thousand times over and over and over again. We got to bring more people from diverse areas of our community because they too make up the body of our
community. And if they feel welcome, telling you they'll be there. And that's something that I plan to get involved and speak with Rachel and others. Then I'll go out and create. I'll talk to them and I guarantee you we'll get more
people. Thus, we'll get more uh volunteers. This is a great organization. It shouldn't go ary. So you said give them a chance. Give us a chance. Okay. Thank you guys. >> Do we have any other speakers?
Please come forward. >> Yes, ma'am. Please come forward if you can. Um and and please understand too that whether this funding happens or not, it's still the partnership still the partnership that doesn't really affect the partnership and continue to go
forward. >> I'm Judy White, 25 North Lake Street. Um I've lived here 36 years been a taxpayer and um I'm a retired guidance counselor and social and special ed teacher for 17
years. Before that, I was uh not just a a little lady and now a little a little little old lady who wants to volunteer, but I have a whole foundation of experience in um renewing local communities with a movement of people
that was global. We did um a demonstration of local community that is sustainable and economically viable in 24 time zones around the world. We have three human development zones and nine regional
zones. And I have been one who trained leaders to do their home development as my part of it. Did a little fundraising too but wasn't very good. And from my estimation, looking through those eyes, not the little old lady who wants to
volunteer, that um that something is in that this downtown partnership is in a transition now and it is in a serious transition and new things have been
happening. there are ideas about making it um compatible with what the main street guidelines are and that workshops between the downtown partnership and
the commission and I'm really glad that Derek's involved with especially this economic viability and um I would like to see it continued and funded not the rope out from underneath them. Thank you very much for
listening and thank you very much for making this main street happen. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay, we have any other speakers. >> I'm sorry. >> So, did you you have a card here? Was this this was for public speaking though
in general, right? from the beginning at the at the beginning of the meeting, but not regarding this. >> Okay, I'm gonna hold on to this and then when this is over, um then we'll we'll respectfully honor that on this.
Um okay, commissioners, do we have any further discussion? >> No further discussion. Okay, we have a motion on the table to um as this con thisou
uh directs for the $12,500. Miss Taylor, if you would please do a roll call. >> Commissioner L. >> Hi, >> Commissioner. >> I Commissioner Moore >> I.
>> Mr. Burton. Nay. Mayor Myers. >> Um, I'm gonna vote nay. Um, I didn't vote for the contract, so I feel I'm voting today. So, thank you. >> Okay, passes. >> So, $12,500.
Thank you all very much. >> Can we schedule workshop? >> Um, yeah. You want to schedule the workshop? Do you have your calendar here, Tim? >> Yep. >> You've got us here. Let's go ahead and get that scheduled. What day do you want to do next week? >> I can do the um 18th. I can do the the
19th early, but >> of I'm not available the 16th, 17th or 18th. Okay, I have company. Um, I can do the 19th.
>> I think um the 24th Oh, 19. Right. All right. I'm sorry. Thank you, Commissioner Lori. Uh, the 24th and 25th are fair days. >> So, let me ask you this. On the 19th, I know y'all have it that afternoon. >> Oh, it starts early
>> at 2. I was going to say we could do at 10 that morning or 9 that morning, but 10. Okay. So, we'll go into the next week. What does everybody look like for the following week? Actually, mayor, if we did it late on
the 18th, I could do that. I could do like 4:00 on the 18th. >> Is everyone available on the 18th? >> Commissioner Burton, >> I think so. >> Tim, what does your schedule look like at 4:00 on the 18th? >> Perfect.
And it will be here in um we need to have it here since all the commissioners are here. I think that would be the best thing for us to do is to do it here. >> Okay. >> Four o'clock. Are you available, Commissioner? >> Okay.
>> Okay. We schedule it then. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Look forward to it. >> March 18. Okay, with that I'm gonna go ahead and if there's nothing else with the CRA, I'm gonna close our CR and open up our
regular scheduled meeting. Miss Sid, you like for public comment? >> Good evening everyone. I'm here on behalf of the concerned citizens of South Portland and I would like to say thank you to all the
residents of Crescent City for supporting our soul food festival. Um I also thank the city commissioners all of them that participated. Um Mayor Myers being there from the beginning to the
closing of the event. Um, also our city manager for all of this support. Uh, county commissioner, uh, John Nugo Jr., uh, sheriff's department, our fire department, and all the businesses and
organizations that sponsored Soul Food. Thank you all so much. It was a set because of you. Thank you. >> No, thank you. It was successful because of all of you and what you put into it. I like I said, I remember when it was a
dream and this is the fourth year and it was incredible to see so many people there enjoying themselves and and again with all the events. I compliment you because when the music stopped and it stopped right on time and the park cleared out and um
>> and it looked and and it looked and it looked great. So, thank you and please thank all your members on our behalf. >> Thank you. Um, so we're going to move on if we can. Let's go to the city manager report. Does anybody have anything on the city manager?
>> Oh, okay. So, you did that. I was >> I was I was didn't catch that first meeting though to get my report. >> I'm sorry. I didn't catch the first part of the meeting. I didn't know what you had done with that. So, let's go ahead and go to the minutes if we can.
>> Okay. And mayor, if I had sent um corrections and additions that I have I have some. Did you want to Well, I guess we need a motion, right? Um yes. Okay. Um I'll move
was going to do these separately. I move that we approve the minutes of the regular meeting for December 11th, 2025 um with corrections that are accepted. Do you want to go everybody had a chance
to review those corrections? Is everyone in agreement with her corrections? >> I apologize. I did not. >> Mayor, there's there's an issue. I I cannot um say exactly um wait
must be okay. Um for December 11th there are two things for all there are no I think we had talked about having um dates and page numbers at the bottom of the minutes and we don't see them here. Hopefully we will um later. the one set
of corrections I have for the December 11 minutes. I can't add that information. The page that was missing, the reason that we pulled them and didn't approve them at the last meeting in item number four, which is the second page, the missing page, um actions that
we took were approval of three sets of minutes July 31st, November 13th, November 25th. Um, when I look at this page, it does not show who made the motion and the second. So, that would be um the
correction that was needed, but the clerk or whoever, someone would have to go back and look um and put in who did the um motion and second for the three minutes that were approved. Does that make sense? >> Yes.
>> And I don't think I had um I didn't know anything. I don't know if anyone else did. Okay. Does anybody else have changes? >> Everyone else is good with that. So, we have a proper motion. We have a second. We're going to go ahead and voice all.
All in favor, please say I. I. I. Oppose. Nay. >> I. >> Okay. So, approved. Let's move on to February 12th, 2026. >> Okay. Um, I will move that we approve the minutes of
>> is it the regular meeting for February regular meeting 2026? Sorry. >> Yes. Yes, ma'am. >> She's make Let her let her finish your motion. I'm sorry. Finish your motion. Motion >> with any corrections that are accepted.
>> Okay. With corrections, right? >> With corrections. >> Okay. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. I have a proper motion in a second. Commissioner Moore, go ahead. I apologize. >> Okay. I think it was on page two, I believe, on where it mentions this awardee is
Zeta 5 incorporated Zeta Zeta chapter. So it says Zeta. >> Okay. >> So how EA okay? So it's >> five. >> Okay. Okay. So that's five.
>> We got anything else? >> Okay. Then we have a proper motion in a second. I'll do um >> I I have corre I have corrections and additions for for these minutes that I sent out February.
>> Right. For February 12. >> You sent those out to the commission. Right. Correct. The commission's office. Has everybody had a chance to review those? >> Okay. Has everyone in in agreement with those corrections? Yes, Commissioner Dia. >> Well, one of them is um a question
um and that and you might have the answer to it and it's hard when they don't have item number seven development or when they don't have pages, it's hard to find. Okay. Um,
somehow if you look on item number seven and go down almost to the bottom of the page and it says CRA signage, this would be a February 12th regular meeting. It says entrance signage proposals were presented and deferred to the March
agenda for public input. It has them taking place during the community redevelopment agency. Was that when because you made the proposal? Yeah, I don't think I don't believe it was during the CRA. I think it was business.
So, we'll change that to un move to business section. There were a few things that were out of order. Okay, so I'll check that off. Um, blah blah blah. Item 10, consent agenda.
Hold on. Okay. If you flip over two more pages and you go to the consent agenda. Um I mean I honestly don't know. >> So we're at the consent agenda agenda. What do you have on there? >> Okay. Well, you kind of have to follow
this along. So third bullet under consent agenda was review of grievance and harassment policies. It's my understanding and these are in my uh corrections and additions that I sent.
Um I do not see we we decided to to pen those. We talked about >> I asked to remove that I >> right to remove it from section agenda. Um and shared >> right well I think I think that part is
correct but what I don't see is that we ever discussed when you go to the very last page of the minutes where it shows that we extended to 10:15 there is no reflection that I can find that we ever talked about the frequenc
policy >> we already talked about >> I don't think we I don't think No, because that's when you talk about taking on price. >> So, what I'm saying is that the discussion we had and whatever direction or request, I don't see that later in
the minutes. >> I just don't see it. >> Okay. So, we need to check on that. >> Okay. And then um as well um the the emergency resolution
burnban is in this section under consent agenda. It's my recollection that we addressed that >> at a different point in the meeting >> because Don had to rewrite it.
>> Yes, he did. >> We actually did that at the end. >> That's what I thought after extended the meeting. >> So, that's in the wrong place. And as well, um I don't think the verbiage um
that describes um I don't think the verbiage accurately describes what we're on. Um I my suggestion is that we take out um the last
two paragraphs and just say I mean attorney said the resolution as presented was not the one he provided and exceeded our authority under state law and we need to follow the county burn ban ordinance and I've got a typo and burn on the line. It was re the city
attorney would reddraft the resolution. Um >> so how do you want to rewrite this? I'm saying I put it in here for consideration later in the meeting. >> So that's what you gave though for your recommendation, correct? Okay. Then we've >> Okay. >> And everyone's already read over that.
>> Um under business items to the part about Peninsula Historical Society. Um >> is this part of is this what you've also >> Yes, I said. So, do we need to go why do we have to go over that again if they've >> um if they're all okay with it, then
that's they've already reviewed those. >> Okay. Well, in that case, um because the others were more of a question. >> Okay. >> Um >> so, do you have anything else that was not included in your um suggestions? >> Um
no. >> Okay. Okay. With that, we have a a proper motion um by Commissioner Devito and a second by Commissioner Lori. I'm going to do a voice um vote. So, everyone, all in favor, please say I.
>> Oppose. Nay. >> Okay. So, moved. Let's go to the last set. We're going to go to um February 26 at the special meeting that we had. Um entertain a motion, please. Do we have a motion on this?
>> She's correct. So, >> yeah. >> Okay. So, I move that we um approve the minutes of the February 26th special meeting um with corrections and I have
sent those corrections in. >> Okay. uh including um I think a comment by Commissioner Burton as resident on the lake was was actually Commissioner Moore um and anyway I I sent them if nobody
has any problems um >> right >> right do we have is everyone um in agreement do you have any other changes >> I don't >> nobody has any other changes. >> Okay. >> Then with that, we've got a proper motion by Commissioner Dito and a second
by Commissioner Lori. Um voice vote. All in favor, please say I. I. I. Nay. Okay. So, approved. Thank you. Okay, let's move on to the city manager um
report. Does anybody have any questions on the city manager report? Everyone's good. Commissioner Dita, I have um actually have a question about two questions about the finance department. Um I think
I had asked in my written questions. Mr. Martin, you listening because these are for you. Yes. Okay. So under finance um I have asked um what is the status of closing out the year end and you said
you thought you would have figures for us by tonight but yes do we have I anticipated having those figures but our um our financial director um has not given those to me so I I I did not discuss any to you all. He
he just right before we got here he he just left. He probably just took the rest to the restroom. But um >> Well, that's okay. But just do we have it um do we have a ballpark idea of when we're going to have to hear? >> I'll be honest with you. Today was a
little off the rocker, not a normal day. Um, and I did not and I did not have that meeting that I was going to have with Steve. >> And um, so when he gets back, he can answer that question for you. >> Okay. And then the other question about the finance department is um,
>> it sounds um, sorry, can I go on? Um, it sounds in the city manager report under finance as if are we still hiring the CPA? >> I forget her last name. Julian, I talked about a private contractor.
>> Julianne is still assisting Steve for the close out of 2024 and starting the 2025 audit process. They're they're doing both simultaneously. >> Okay. Did we budget for that? Because I thought we had a discussion that we needed to phase out the outside
accountant >> and that is the plan and the financial director knows the finances and uh he can answer that question when he gets back. Okay. And then I mean this is my question for the rest of the commissioners. I thought um we had
spoken about this before. Did we intend to put in budget funds to um you know still hire the outside CPA? Was that our plan? >> I thought we were phasing it out. to
some degree we worked but they're happy to close out of the year. >> I'm just I guess Steve will help and I believe we did increase or at least maintain uh a level of funds available for that help in our last year's budget. >> Yes. I just don't know the figures in
front of me off the bat. Steve would know >> he's been down so I'm just saying um we we talked about it. I didn't know how it fell out. Um, the other thing is I've been um having
questions and I have questions myself. I met with you and um Mark Caret about the downtown business district zoning. >> Yes. >> Um what is the timetable for that? Is
that He said it's an administrative reszoning. Um when is that what is the timetable? When is that supposed to be done? And it's not necessarily that I want it to be done, but I want to understand the timetable. >> At this point in time, I have not had
that discussion with Mark Krett. I know that they were tightening up a couple things in their reports and I was um going to be anticipating having a meeting with them very shortly about about that timetable. So, I can let you all know our weekly meetings, but I can't tell you. I don't have that timetable.
>> So, is that supposed are we going to get any kind of report to the commission? Is that going to come back to us for approval? Yes, ma'am. Absolutely. >> It is going to come to us. >> Absolutely. Yes. >> Okay. >> Um >> with an opportunity for public comment. >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Okay. >> And I actually I believe that goes to PNZ first and then upon recommendation it'll come to you all. >> Okay. Because I I looked up zoning Reddit. I it just doesn't say the process that it will go through. Yes.
That's something I think Mr. Gret um designs. Okay. So, I my notes. Um, okay. Sorry, I can't read my own writing. Oh, I just wanted to say special thank you. Um, I read the report of billing
utilities on the how they handled well, we had them we had them here at special meeting and how they handled high bills um for gas because of the cold weather and the higher gas prices. And it sounds like they did a very exceptional job.
They did >> um lot of um hard work, direct contact said every single person who had automatic billing was contacted. >> Yes. >> And I have to say um a few people I heard of were upset at having a high
bill, which I would be upset. >> Um but absolutely I have not heard anything negative about how it was handled and that was a real accomplishment. Jocelyn and her team did a fantastic job. >> Right. So, um that's that's all I that
was my questions. Mayor, thank you all very much. >> No, back to me answer those questions. >> Oh, um which was um do we have an anticipated um time when we'll get the report on the
closeout for um the 2025 books? >> It's going to be probably within the next week or so. >> Okay. And then um would it be possible like do we have to wait until the next meeting
or if there's a report on the close out um would the rest of the commission be interested in having it distributed to us? >> That was the plan all all along anyway. We'll put together a report and I'll email it to everybody like we normally do with disclaimers of course.
>> Yes. With with disclaimers. >> Yes. with sunshine disclaimers >> and right we're not going to discuss it but we can see >> but there yes so we just want you know just want to make sure >> and we'll give that out to everybody
>> um and the only concern I have is when you do that is just please make sure that you that you've checked it very thoroughly because yes it sometimes when it gets to us it ends up in other hands too and so we just want to make sure because it is public once It's public
record once you send it to us >> so that there's no there's no >> discrepancies. Correct. >> per se. >> Correct. >> So that because we won't be meeting for a little while in order to address those. So >> Okay. >> It's opportunity for unnecessary
criticism if it's a discrepancy that you know. >> Yes. So thank you. >> Well may want to put a watermark on it that says preliminary or draft you know until it can be reviewed. I don't know. >> And and I guess you had one other
question for Steve as far as Julian. >> Um Julie answered that. >> Okay. I just want to make sure. >> Thank you. >> Commissioner Lori, do you have anything? >> Okay. >> Okay. Commissioner War. >> I'm good.
>> Commissioner Burton, >> I have if it's okay. Um first off, Commissioner Warren, thank you. You stepped in last minute. You did a great job. I've listened and thank you very much. I greatly appreciate you keeping keeping everything rolling and um
>> um I do want to say a couple of things. First off, we need a cleanup. We haven't done a cleanup. Um and so I'm looking at the Saturday, March 28th. Yes, sir. Do you have something you need? >> No, I just dropped my memory and I need
to have it's a an emergency purchase and I forgot about it. So, we need to talk about Okay, >> you finish. I'm sorry. I just dropped my >> So March 28th, um, if everyone is in agreement, I've reached out. I haven't heard back from them from Keith Putin. Beautiful. Um, I think they're in
transition now as far as who's who's heading it up, but Marshall's supposed to be calling me back. But I would like maybe even that whole week. It doesn't even have to be just that Saturday. we can engage some of the high schoolers, but if everybody is in agreement and I
talked to Derek about possibly putting the dump truck over here so that we could people could dump in it if if they needed to um and then that could go out to the dump. >> Um >> if everyone's in agreement, there's a lot of trash on our streets and and so
um I also think that we could get and we've talked about prisoners. >> Yes. Tom coming in and figuring out a program here in Crescent City that can help us with that >> because you know we've got to take pride in our city >> and and um that's that's very important
to me. So I don't want to is everybody in in okay with the 28th for us John? >> You won't be here on the 28th. >> Well and you don't have to I mean you don't have to be there. It's just have whoever's here available that wants to help clean up how we've done it in the
past. Um, I think if we did it, it started at 9:00. >> Well, I mean, we asked for citywide volunteers. >> Yes, we would. Yes, >> we would. So, we'll put something out on that if everyone's in agreement. I think it'll just give us a chance to kind of spruce up. We've got a lot of events. We
have catfish that next weekend. We've got the boat races races the next weekend. And then May 2nd, we've got the concert that the um country concert that they're doing in the park. Correct. And so we got a lot of people that are going to be and this is a chance for us to showcase and we want to look as best as
we can. So if everybody's okay with that. Um also as we all know um I'll just give you a report as what I know um when Dixie is slated to close u May 31st
and they will be closed approximately 8 months to a year. Um, I had a great conversation with Mary at Save a Lot. And I don't know how many of you, and I apologize. I had hoped to have copies of
this made, but Mary made um at Save a Lot, she posted because when I look it up, when you look up communities trying to save Dixie, Crescent City pops up.
um and and Mary's Facebook page, I guess she did a Facebook post about Save a Lot and all that they offer. >> And so I really think that I mean I I wrote a letter that if the commission wants to that we can try to make one
more push. I have been told um by numerous people and even people in the industry that have said you know basically um this isn't going to change that Aldi and
Trader Joe have their own they have their their plan and this is their plan and regardless unfortunately they're not going to I have a letter I'll be happy to share it I had meant to make copies but things kind got in the way today. Um if y'all
decide, you know, you can let Derek know. Um that we can send as a last as a last ditch effort to them. But in lie of that, um we we need to get behind what we have here. And Mary at
Save a Lot, they're doing a lot there. They're going to do some faceelifts. They're going to do some cleans clean up. They do offer meat cutters. um you know so their corporate has been in there trying to figure out how they can better serve our community. She did
ask um so please if you can also support Save a Lot and she is trying to um hire as many um employees as you can because we will be losing about well 83 people we'll be losing. Um, she asked about the
flag signs and so this is a question from for Pam and for the commission >> that they used to put the um what are those called? Flag. Yeah. That they used to that they asked if it was possible that they could put
some out there like fresh cut meat. They could put some things out there so when that Windixie closes as people drive through they'll know that there is an opportunity there. rules about how many that can be in >> we do but we also have the opportunity
that if we need to wave any of that because we've waved it before for them. So Pam, how many >> they're allowed? Three. >> So they are allowed three >> and they need to be on the property. >> And they need to be on the property, which would be um for Save a lot, it would be behind the hedge where right
there behind the sidewalk. Correct. >> Okay. >> Well, if they're on the DOT rideway, the DOT may take them. >> So if they're behind the hedge, where would they where would they put them? Would you help them, Pam? Yes, that would be the same. >> Monday. >> So commission were okay with them
putting the three feather flags out there? Yes, but the answer is Pam is to DOT what 811 is to I know the you know putting stuff in the ground. They need Pam's help. >> Okay. But I told Mary that you know I
would bring that I would bring that up um tonight so that they could at least have that. But but she is you know everybody we do and I and I explained that to her that in no way were we trying to discredit save a lot. We were trying to save every as much as we
possibly can save here in present city. We were trying to save. >> Um so anyway, that's that's really um all I have. Mayor, could I respond to that or Sure. >> Okay. So um I haven't seen your letter,
but my feeling is that um we owe it to we just owe it to Crescent City. you laid you laid out the reasons last year that what they see was important to economic development. Um I think we owe it to do
every last possible thing that we can and it is my understanding from the our chamber that we can offer an incentive. I I think um I think that it's I think we missed an
opportunity to try to get a meeting with the appropriate people. I think we should still try to get a meeting and as well if we're going to be sending a letter um but I don't think Pomona Park and Walaka were ever contacted. Is that correct? because I ran into Kathy
Washington at our soul food grade and she said she didn't know anything about it. >> They were they were aware of it was they were aware of it. Yes, >> Kathy said she didn't know anything about it. >> Well, at the time when we started this, Kathy also wasn't the mayor,
>> right? But so so I maybe it hasn't since then, but I have >> doesn't know anything. Was Pam Park contacted? >> Um or >> yes, they they're aware. Okay. >> I thought they even did a resolution. I thought they did something. I thought
>> Well, my >> I don't know, but I'll find out. >> My suggestion would be that we try to do a joint letter. >> Um Well, we could I mean, or we could send um that's that's a little difficult when
we're trying to get the three. >> Well, I mean, if they did a resolution, then you >> could include that. you could include that >> um as part of this um you know I mean I can read this to you and you can vote on it or whatever you decide to do. >> Um
>> is this still about >> Yeah. >> I need I'm sorry again. It's important. Air conditioner has been going out. We've had constant issues with it. I finally got a diagnostic back. We've had an issue where it's popping the actual um
fuse. There's a short there. We have to replace the fan. It's $1650. >> It's the one up here that runs this whole side of the building, not the other side. >> So, I I just need permission for $1650 to get that fixed. He said that whole AC
as a whole will last several more years. We don't have to replace it. That that fan's bad. >> Okay. Do we need to adjust our agenda to for that? We can go ahead and do >> you have to have authority to expend more than a certain amount. >> So he's asking for authority on
emergency. >> So do I give an emergency authority to buy um to expend more than $1,000 to make emergency repairs air conditioner.
Um if from what source is that from the general fund or better placement plan or >> um we still have dollars in the in the building fund correct correct so we have so we have we have that building maintenance
>> okay I'll second that is that part >> 1650 okay so we have a proper motion and a second do we have any further discussion on this >> if not all in favor please say I >> thank you >> no Mandy be excused. >> Sure. Absolutely. Thank you for everything.
>> You're welcome. >> We can sign up. >> Um >> can we make some copies of it now? >> No, they want to adjourn. You can make copies of it. So, but they're going to have to approve that. They would have to approve. Give authorization for that.
>> I think that we give authorization to our solution. Yes. >> Are we meeting next week? >> I laid everything out. read it right now. >> The impact it's going to have. You can read it right now if you want to.
>> You have not voted on it yet. >> I don't think >> No, we haven't voted on adjourning the meeting is what I'm saying. >> I know, but I'm saying I don't think we have people's attention. Commissioner, >> we typically don't have anyone's attention at this time.
>> Okay. Well, I'm saying So >> we have the proper motion to adjurnn. If you want to adjourn, all in favor, please say I. >> I want to. Okay. So nobody seconded it. So let's get the letter. Please read the
letter very quickly. So we can adjourn. >> Wait a minute. It's okay. That's fine. >> No, I don't. I mean, >> do we have a motion and a second to address? >> No, we do not. We do not >> I need the motion that was in a second. >> So give him just a second. He'll come with a he'll come with a copy of the
letter. You can read the letter very quickly. And um and I've spoken also to other communities. A matter of fact, one of the city managers called me back um this after this afternoon before the meeting
and he said that their community um um was every one of them has told me that they have been unfortunately unsuccessful. So okay well maybe we can be successful. So maybe don't just give up.
>> I'm I'm believe me we haven't. So if you if everybody wants to read this letter very quickly please if you have any changes >> I'm sitting in digitally >> and I apologize I had hoped to get that out this afternoon
You got a dog. >> We think the major thinks it was mixed with P. >> Just gives you aspirations and a goal >> for your training. That's right. >> To run faster. >> You don't have to run faster than everybody. You got a little faster.
>> Sorry. Sorry. >> My husband the man on the golf course told my husband too. He says suggest it. Um instead of what it means for us, I would say number one, I would
request to um meet with their representatives. Um and I would say that um the response from residents indicate may indicate that the Aldi
model will not be success as successful in this area as they think it will be and we encourage them to reconsider and we would like to meet with them um to talk directly about um
their assumptions and plans. I mean, I think we need to say that straight out. They don't really care about the effect on our community as I understand it. They care about whether they will be successful >> and my realign that to say okay
>> right then and offer to meet with them. >> I didn't know how strong you wanted to be with this and I'll reach out. I'll make phone calls also. I now have some names. >> Sure. But I guess what I'm saying is it's not that it's mean to say that. It's a blunt fact. There's not an
enthusiasm. So, where do you want for this brand? Mayor, I would leave that up to you. >> We respectfully ask. Okay. >> Well, I would say we would like you to consider that you um because there's not, you know, wholehearted enthusiasm
and there's great loyalty to Wind Dixie that plans may not be as successful um as you think they will be. So, system situation but there's options >> right >> and there is no option >> right
>> for 50 miles both directions >> exactly that that doesn't give that doesn't serve them or us >> mayor that's great language that the result may not serve them or us
hit it on the head >> okay >> no I think that that is well said and the part about in this area there's Not the same >> I think you know you can block
>> oh I know >> thank you for doing the letter >> absolutely a very hard part, but I would just >> do you want to do a motion with this? >> Um, yes. I moved that we authorize the mayor to send the letter with the
changes suggested by Commissioner Lori and me and specifically um asking for an appointment to meet with their representatives. >> Okay. >> Second. >> Have a motion and a second. All in favor, please say I. >> I. I. >> Oppos? Nay. >> Okay. I need a motion to adjurnn.
>> I move. Second. Okay, we have a motion to adjurnn and a second. All in favor, please say I. I. >> Okay, sojourn. Thank you. At 9:39.