##VIDEO ID:RA5yLI2hq5k## [Music] good evening the city of prent City Planning and Zoning Commission meeting will now come to order first item of business is approval of the minutes June 20 2024 we might want to table these because um because um Brad had stated that he didn't say I am one of the motions and I have a test as all eyes um so we might want to table them to till next month um just because so I can go back and listen to it to make sure that he was in agreement or he wasn't okay so if I can get a motion to table I make a motion to table minutes he has been motion and second that we table the approval of the June 20 24 minutes all in favor next we have our new business the flum comp plan Amendment for 600 char good evening I'll go ahead and get started uh as we've discussed in the past uh this first item is a uh comp Amendment but there's also companion with it it's a resoning and I'm going to talk about them uh together uh because many of the issues that we're going to talk about uh overlap uh and but you guys will have to make a decision on them separately and inde dependently so uh this is a a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment we're actually amending the future land use map uh for this property and then we're doing a resoning uh this is the location of property so this is Cherry Street running north to south uh this is is uh cany 308 h Road this is West Grand Rondo it is a h linear property so if you're we're standing on Cherry Street and uh looking at it it's about a uh little bit more than a th000 feet wide it's only about 150 feet deep uh so most of this vegetation that you see is not in fact on this property it's just a it's just French here so we're looking at this piece of property that is largely been used for agricultural activity uh and has had significant clearing what we you know just for orientation purposes this is sort of hay Landing over here this is uh the Elementary School uh it's Middleton berie you talked about that quite a bit uh uh back in June when we talked about new elementary school so in terms of uh location it's in that same uh general area uh so in terms of what we're actually the change that that are actually been requested this property has uh split zoning on it currently it's commercial and agricultural I'll show you out the maps and they want to go to a uh designation of uh residential low density which is about to four units per acre and so you can see uh this here is the existing flum and we're looking at the commercial uh by the rest of it is an a you can see here to the South and West and East uh largely agriculture uh then we get over here there's uh some residential medium density which is 4 to 10 acres uh this is W commercial and this of course is the school which is a public uh this is the proposed uh future land theying for residential low density uh and again you see the mix of uses that that will be uh uh in the here we have the existing zoning map so it's very similar to the Future land use on this property at least we have uh G1 General commercial we have agriculture zoning you see over here we saw add future land use you see sr1 zoning so there's some inconsistency see at least in this area between the future L map and the underlying Zone and then you know conservation along here R BL and this is the proposed zon they're going to sr1 we see that matches theist some of the existing zoning that's in the area uh that essentially is uh my slideshow presentation so cut out quite a few slides from uh from last month U Want to point out uh that the area is uh has all the infrastructure in place to support development uh obviously the road system uh honey and Road and Cherry Street the resisting roads uh that provide access to property there is a 6 in water line in uh Cherry Street on the West Side uh so they'll be able to connect the water there is an 8 in sanitary sewer line that is in Huntington Avenue across street from site so I know there's been some discussions about potential participation but uh so probably be a Cooperative effort between the town and developer to to work on a sewer system uh in terms of the environmental impacts on the property as you've heard me say it's the site has been in agricultural use uh for a number of years it's been cleared I agriculture activity dates back from the 1950s uh on the property uh so it's got you know all the soils to support uh you know Urban Development uh in terms of the uh zoning criteria uh I went through those in the staff report if you want to take action on the future land use I can then go into criteria for so I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have about the information I presented or the information that I have a question so you're saying that thank God you're not going to go through this whole thing word by word right is that what you're saying okay I'm saying my presentation is done and I'll be happy to answer any question okay so when I looked at this at home I was able to look it on look at my on my TV and you know I can make it big here I can barely read but there was there was a section of zoning in here where it talked about zoning and they said that this particular type of Zone and I youget what they use for the name of it allowed for mobile homes manufactured homes single family homes and a couple other things you you know where that is on document I think uh there there's they lot modular homes not mobile homes the thing it says mobile homes no maybe he's talking about the definition it lists in there [Music] yeah yeah what they're applying for is sr1 the sr1 allows single family homes which under state law also includes modular homes now a modular homes um double wies there are modular homes what is a modular a modular home is a factory built home yeah there's sort of three different things there's single family homes there's Moder homes and there are mobile homes right so what you would normally see advertised as a double wi sometimes referred to as you know doubley trailer that's a mobile home so there are the single family homes are site built they're built to the uh Florida building fod modu home are Factory built but they are also built to the for building so they're then carried to the site on trucks and then they're assembled and then you know put on a permanent foundation and so that's what a mod home is manufacturer home I mean and sometimes those both modular homes and mobile homes confusingly both called manufactured homes the distinction is that the mobile homes are not built to Florida building code they're built to a uh National do standard actually and HUD standard and so those are not permitted okay Mark we uh uh in our package we have the smle requirments and um and in it um it list um PL PL showing all existing and propos structures for improvements and of course uh you do have the theing structure sh um but I didn't see anything with propos structures and and there's a reason for that yes that is the application this application is outdated when you make a zoning decision you you are making a use decision so these gentlemen want to apply for a uh ultimately where they want to get to is they want to get to a uh they want to create a single compy sub they're home builders by trade they have never done a development before so they're going through this process and so so but your first you you began by saying this is updated can we update it so it's not confusing yes and we're gonna we're going to come in with a new Land Development codee and hopefully within a couple months so be efficient you're can do it all we're gonna do it all at once okay so what other uh under e what other are not uh I actually don't [Applause] have that uh in my packet so well let me let me um let me just what number five copy of reporting Deed on property um is that required at this time um it is a application what I do is when I look at it I actually went into the records to property was in the name the applicant and saw that you know was reported in the property so so so that's great but since it's the requirement in your report if you could just state that you did that so you know that the requirement was satisfied did you did you did you not receive one of these well I got that I couldn't read it oh what is that that's the showing you that that's the property record name no that's the problem so that gets to my other point um Karen if we could have larger larger is better yeah came in read that I will see about getting it so and then Mark the other one is seven which states motorized letters from Property Owners consing propos yeah that would be if you're you're if you're an agent right you don't need an authorized letter from the these gentlemen are the owners through the LC the what about the neighboring properties that's they don't own all the abing properties that's not what this is but isn't a requirement that the abing properties be asked if there are any objections no not that's not a requirement what will happen in the new land code uh there will be notice to uh adjacent and uh Property Owners within 300 ft of property that's not a requirement of state law it's a common practice in most places in Florida and throughout the country to provide notifications but that is a limitation in the current land code that will will be correct so there is notice requirement will be posting of the property will be notice so that will that will happen it will be noticed down when we go to do the commission meeting the property will be we'll put a sign on property right which is something that that I that that the city has been but it's that's actually not listed anywhere you've been doing it since I started so we just we do it from the property that way when the people drive by if they have any questions or concerns no I'm familiar with that Ken yeah so that's what we're going to be doing when it comes to the commission next week if it's approved tonight next week it'll go out it'll go out property but but in in the future in the land on code there will be notice at both meetings that will be mailed to property surrounding property great thank you so in the I know I believe you covered the list in your report so uh obviously the existing uh Zing agriculture what is the current future land use uh on it is it agriculture or is it something different the the current future land use is commercial and agricultural yes yeah so and which is what it is currently that's the the It's a combination currently it's a combination so up by the road exactly yeah I see the red yeah that I can see thank you um okay so this is a this request is a change from the future land use there's two changes that have to be made because we we don't want to first of all we're not supposed to be in a situation where we have uh underlying land underlying zoning that is mismatched for example I pointed out to you that when you look at the existing uh zoning in land use area there's a mismatch not on this site to the east between the sr1 zoning and the agriculture right because agriculture allows a density of one unit per five acres but the underlying zoning is sr1 which has a minimum lot size of you you're going go all the way down to 7200 square ft so a mismatch so so we're avoiding that but doing both at the same time my other my remaining questions are for the applicant okay thank do you want to have them come up please hi Johan how you doing Ry de Grandy Joseph fer welcome gentlemen um we're delighted to see you uh have you own the property long now are a couple of months and do you own uh any of the surrounding property no sir and can you tell tell us a little bit about uh what your vision is uh on the homes you want to build uh yes so we um we plan to build some you know nice achievable homes lineing down the road there hopefully we can get you know 13 of them on there and uh you know there'll be single family homes they're not meant for rent there'll be hopefully you know nice affordable homes that are real achievable for everybody in the area and it should you know I would say make some from what I understand some really needed homes around here that are going to be in the right price range so that's that's the idea um how many square what square footage do you imagine um so right now it would be like 12 ft Living Single car garage 1600t under roof um would fit very nicely on the lot size so you'd have you know a nice yarded you know like I said they they seem like they fit really well with the you know the area and the needs of the area and I saw one story St yes sir metal rout party siding you know nice nice houses um obviously on slat yes sir and um uh I assume two bedrooms two baths three three bedroom um well one bedroom is like a flex room um yeah it's h it's got you could use it for either or it's got usually some built-in um you know it's a desk you could use it as a like a open CLA it's kind of modern looking but it's three bedroom essentially three or or two in a den or whatever yeah yes sir um open p PL in the middle it's got Island um they're they're very very nice homes they they walk and feel very good for the space you've actually got there they they're bigger than they might sound so and I assume you'll you'll there'll be block homes um not necessarily not necessarily no they'll be built the code and uh steel STS no sir most residential wouldn't be steel Stu they probably wood frame wood frame yes sir no I yes sir and what price run well we've got to sort of get through all of this and and work things out with the um you know with the City Works on getting the sewer down there and just you know hope hopefully we're 300 or under um that's where we hope to be but we'll have to kind of see what the market does and um like I said the goal would be for us to make an affordable home if we can get it there you know we're not going to build something that's not quality so if we can build the quality that we always do and keep the price down if we can offer it lower and get it sold that would be our goal and it'd be you know like I said good for community and be good for us too so that's the idea and um uh one of you think have build out as quickly as we can get through all of this and uh you know and break ground um we would probably start with two or three homes hopefully and obviously need to kind of get those moving and make sure that that they're going to sell and uh we could have the house is built in four months from the time we start we got to get through permitting also so once it goes It Go it would go pretty will it will they all look similar or do you have different styles uh I think what we would hope to do is just take the same style um use somewhat of a the same color scheme like maybe if it's like a coastal color something that would go look good with the lake and just uh switch colors and maybe like have Bor and Baton on one and lap siding on the other so they don't look like they're all Cookie Cutters down the road but they would all match so you wouldn't have you know very odd looking houses beside each other it would be all um you know it would all flow real well so but basically the same floor plan um if things change during the way and somebody wanted to build something a little different as long as you know as long as it worked I mean we could maybe adjust a little bit but that's the idea so you would customize to an extent we could um of course you know going to see how it goes but you know initially the plan is to build that model change the outside appearance as much as much as we can to you know make it attractive where they not all one you know just line right up but still go together so and you said hopefully 13 or the plot we've got now is 133 and that fit within all the all the requirements as I understand it so that's that's the goal and like I said that's still an 80 by 150 lot um which is you know pretty good size lot for a single family home of that size so uh especially if we had sewer there and there's not a subject system that gives you they could have fenced in backyard for the kids to play in they could have a pool they could do whatever they would be play in they'll be significantly assuming they they buil the way they're describing it'll be significant larger than the minimum that's associated with we were almost concerned that the house might look kind of small in the lot because like I said there you know you go through these you know different subdivision these days and they're lined up right beside each other it's not going be anything like that you're gonna it's going to be a very desirable lot with a homeowner what is the set I think it's it's usually 25 in the front it's it's probably only eight or 10 ft but we're going to have you know we're we're 80 foot wide and the house is only 25 foot you know the minimum requirement in the sr1 is seven and a half side but these these lots and at least in terms of what they're proposing first of all they're going to have to come back and go through subdivision process that'll get reviewed by staff and then we'll come back to you guys for prated plat construction drawing and there'll be a thought FL process right so so at this point you know we're just talking about conceptually and you know what their intentions are but the lots that they've been showing are you know one and a half times the size of the minimum the ratio your structur to to land are is is nice yes sir they're not tight in will in the future code will be SE side setbacks change and not not in the sr1 we've changed in other districts but we're we're you know we're trying to preserve people's existing zoning assisting entitlements sure so answer your question sir be about 25 ft inside so the side of the house so that would be more than the S and a half fo that's supposed to be our minimum that is 25 ft from on the setbacks on the side right now at the propose another 80 foot apart right now 80 foot wide 80 foot wide by 150 yeah you got 80 foot of Lot 25 foot of a sidey yard 25 foot of a house and 25 foot so that's 75 you basically got a 20 foot 25 foot wide side yard on each house which would bck the next one so there's 50 foot in between in between each houses so nice just you know I just finished building the yes sir and was surprised on the energy uh I forget what it's called but you have to get an energy energy couch yes sir and um I had I had a few mind 2 by sixes as opposed to 2x4s do you run into that with a small building no usually usually the energy counts will in these houses when you insulate the wall the 2x4 wall to Maxum installation with R30 and the ceiling the energy counts come back good all the time like they're very efficient um you know so we haven't had any trouble at all with that but one trouble you have almost too much is when you do the blower door test at the end and it's checking to see how much fresh air is leaking and all that stuff sometimes we get them too tight you know what I mean or very close to too tight where you're not getting much out whatever it is I know I know it runs from 3.5 to yeah so we've actually had a blower door test two days ago on the same model we want to build we buil quite a few of in Augustine and uh it came in at like five you know which was almost perfect I always get nervous that it's going to be too tight we're going to figure out how to let some air and the whole time in the building trying to keep it out and everybody wants spray foam and this and that and all of a sudden you got the house too tight how about how about I don't know if this is the place but I'm just curious you said well so we would use a cement what everybody called it Hardy siding but hard is a manufacturer it would just be a cement it's not going to be vinyl and it's not going to be stucco so hard board right Hardy Board yes sir that's what I bu yeah in different orientation so we might do one in a board and bat style and the next one in a LP party so that it just you know so you have yeah so you've got a Gable on the front one might have some Shaker on it so it looks like Shaker so you know I mean make you know nice looking H good C Feld how long have you been ild so we've both been um and I know I talk a lot he's the smart one I just PA so um we've both been in construction our whole lives um and started off building my house and his house you know owner Builder and you know working in construction our whole lives and we've been building houses now for the last steady for the last uh probably six years or so like I said have been been in building and to buil houses that's that's all we've ever done so you said you built some homes in St we built quite a few in Aug yes ma'am how many have you built in your six years 20 25 something like that you know we don't go crazy they're all specs so like mainly we take our money and build them and then sell them um and that's basically what we'd be doing here as well again yeah El yeah we built for a few homeowners but if if um you know we sort of pick and choose because we'd rather do that and if somebody we know and we trust they want us to build which does happen we'll build an occasional one for a homeowner but uh we're not out there trying to bid every job and like I said we found this piece of property we like Crescent City we see like an up and coming area we understood that y'all were in Need for the homes and we took a Gamble and said look Spide it's orientated down the road the right way dividable it's already half cleared and it seemed like you know with late decided and all it would you know somebody wants to go on walk in the afternoon or work at the school it's like a perfect place to have some some nice houses that aren't so expensive you can't afford them these days they got a yard like I said the kid could throw a ball in or you know actually have some room and uh it seems like a real good spot for what we're trying to do if we can we can get there yeah I think the location is is a great market for you yes sir we hope for the reason listed otherwise we're going to be living in welcome to the are there impact fees we have moratorium on impact fees uh is uh IND thought changing that in the future so when we had an RFP for service do the study that's required and commission opted not to we select the firm and then they decided to take so it's that issue at this time correct yeah okay thank you and mentioned that you know that's not having the impact fees is a big reason they're so big in St John's County that you know anybody they can't afford a house like you you know you have a 15 or $20,000 impact fee on top of a little house like that you just things are so expensive these days so not having the impact fee really if you had impact pees that were St John's County style for what we think we'd be able to sell the house before we wouldn't do it we would that's going to be a long time for that ever to happen here so uh and oh also um obviously uh gentlemen you're aware that there is some um Heritage trees on your property yes there some some mighty Oaks we would we were actually drove by out there on the way here and um we were talking about you know just make we want to leave any of those trees we can like it's not you know that that was um obviously had the curve appeal um those oak trees were beautiful and if I had a buy a house there I would love to have that Oak Tree in my front yard but they have the setbacks would be it's only 25 foot we can go back farther if needed to protect those oak trees um those would definitely be a high priority to try to keep all those will be sight issues that'll get addressed with the uh sub application we'll look at grading you know just generally the this area does seem to be you know there's the road you go up to like a little Mound and then you go down towards so so the boxs should grade nicely from from the back towards the road that should make it easier you know we haven't looked at all those elevations we're not there yet that should make it easier to preserve the trees like I said most of the trees that you're seeing are uh are actually just on the back side this property and and when you look at AEL and you saw that the heavy uh vegetation that was mainly offsite actually Mark for what I'm seeing they're they're nicely dispersed on the front side and the back side uh the the Live Oaks there I was delighted to hear your appreciation of how the uh Live Oaks are going to enhance your your product yes sir uh uh also I was delighted to see there's some black cherry there popular but that's a common gotta uh so uh so thank you for that absolutely and your wisdom um but uh yep but Mark I agree with graving uh because of the spacing should be a problem okay we we're not there yet they haven't you know no we're having a general discussion understand it's uh they have generated some Goodwill with this early on with this discussion so thank you we're looking at running the SE down the center of the street or the back of the Lots in order to preserve that canopy along the street so the U I have noticed that question so the uh the property uh on the west side of the street CH has has sold within the last year um have we heard uh any thoughts of what what the uh owners may be looking to do trials with that property yet I haven't I don't think I spoke to so many people looking at it but no one's contacted you I like you I had a lot of people call me up and discuss you know what the current Zing is and you know they had various ideas I I have no idea though who actually closed you know I probably had four conversations I yeah okay great I have no further comment I just add something I wanted um you said that the setback on the front's 25 ft that's 25 ft from the center of the street 25 ft from the sidewalk 25t it should be from the property line it'll be from the property property line okay and then another question have you given thought I you know I used to build in St atine I don't know you guys remember Len we and well yeah I used to build with Len yes so actually we're gonna um we're g to do some work with him next week with the sun shaper yeah yeah yeah he was he was good was it bar Master no Barry I know name I know but I do know Lynn well okay I know that on the setback you know the further you set the house back it cures more car you know driveway connecting water and all that kind of stuff but have you given any thought to staggering the sitbs given that lot U I don't think we've really got to that point yet I mean I think if we just pictured it they would somewhat line up but I mean if that was more appealing or made sense for any reason we could you know maybe stagger them some well you know a home with a nice big front yard always looks has a lot more Street appeal than one that's oh yes sir right on yeah I don't think we would put it right on the 25t mark you know what I mean I think some of those we have to protect those oak trees so have to bether than that but there's also the vegetation in the back that we can clear the less that we can clear of that as well that protects privacy for those houses from the other houses that are behind them I I was thinking of protecting protecting it against looking like shoe boxes all yeah that would be we definitely want to do that you know so I think it's just going to be a matter of where the where the existing trees and the land itself allow us to put you know put the H and and I know from building in the past that you know you can have a budget for lumber Windows block whatever and you can arrange them in such a way that they can very be very architecturally appealing or they can just be mundane you know what I mean sir good example of a mundane home is the one that just built up on 308 I've got a I mean I don't I know this is not quite as nice as his presentation but I've got a picture of a very it's the model that we're talking about that you could on my phone if you'd like to look at it I mean I don't know that great thank you website too listed for sale okay well it's going be on zul probably you can go um here's one one of so I mean it's it's 835 Street West 12 Street that's the outside Ro yes ma'am and then there you know you're talking St like that the house it's not all we that pulling up we do 455 be a little bit more than this yes ma'am some light hanging down B it's definitely not a mobile they have Granite as long as you know we can order they'll have Granite you know a level one granite in it which is you know obviously nice especially but like I said we can answer all the questions all day or what you TK with basically so you can get right yes' first we need a motion to approve the future L use am I'll make motion to approve as stated in the okay so it has been Motion in second that we um approve um the future land use of the property on Cherry 600 Cherry Street you want to do yes green hi hard hi yes I and then we also need a motion to approve the the resol I make a motion to change for the zoning change for 600 Cherry Street changr from commercial and agricultur to sr1 yes I'll second okay has been motion and second that we approved the zoning of 600 cherish street from um Comm commercial and agriculture to sr1 so hi hi hard hi green thank you we appreciate it thank you I have a question for you sir is this your typical product so far this one that's worked well people can afford it and make a nice house but we've built uh we've got one now that's over million dollars that were we building so I mean oh good get hereo got some nice property yeah absolutely you know what I mean we can do whatever we to do I just have one thing you know I'm very concerned about architectural ey appeal for homes here you know I'd like to see people who come toed City say wow I went to this little small development really great as opposed to yeah we got some shoe boxes that color different P so I'm hoping that you'll take this opportunity to make a name for yourself yes sir and putting in some architecturally pleasing designs given that you have the same material which is how you put it together yes sir um so that we you know think that pron City can be proud of what you do you can be proud of what you do and maybe you can do some more yes sir saying we if we can find any way to to to do that we certainly will we're not um stuck on this product if you like we have modern houses we can build we can build other houses that match that it just seemed like this product has worked really well and some of the times you don't you don't change something that works I mean they they've been people been first-time homeowners have been been able to afford these houses and they're $70,000 more and or maybe even $100,000 more in St John's County I understand that particularly for the location um how however what happens is that it becomes too common eventually and then they're overbuilt with that style and and um there's a there's certainly uh certainly a market for something else so in the future you might think of that ab and Crescent City is perfect because if you look at the example of fine architecture here in the homes you'll see that there's great variety yes sir and and anything that complements that would be uh L towns are over with been for a long time hopefully this is a bir day of many and we're willing to We're Young still and we're willing to adapt to the community to make whatever we need to so hopefully like you said this is a first project make a name for ourselves we're we're even though we're not from Crescent City we're born and raised right there in St John's County our families have basically came over on the boat so we're not going anywhere and we love to consider moving here we do have but Mr Green wise perfect and we're not like I said we're not that Builder that's stuck in our ways so we can adapt as well thank you okay next time business is Park presentation R all right next Wednesday good for next wednes get my and then the guys come back for the for okay thank you a good drive ready ready so we had in our our uh better place plan budget this year I think $50,000 uh for new restroom at Park and I'll show you some slides of that we there's actually a portet there now what we discovered in doing research is it's going to take a lot more money than that so um the furat program Florida Recreation development assistance program is a grant we're going to apply for $200,000 Grant approximately which would um they'll it'll fund part of the bathrooms so we'll still need that better place funds and it'll fund playground equipment uh and so as part of that application which is due at the end of next month I have to present a Planning and Zoning on the the idea as well as a public meeting we going to come to the um conern citizens meeting uh Christina is actually going to make that presentation you'll see it here tonight um and then we have to include all that information in the pack at the minutes of this meeting we have to have a public hearing that we only discuss uh this which will happen on the 12th right before the city commission meeting um so the public can provide input on this project and then we'll submit the Grant and then the funds will be available in 2026 which is here after next so it's a very longterm process but it'll be significantly more money so U Charles Charles this this is just for talking about a bathroom this is bathroom and playground equipment yes this is going to be 250,000 well combine I'll show you how that happens it's an expensive yeah expensive all the way around why this isn't I mean expensive deing ground there's nothing [Music] [Music] okay this is cber Park I took this photo recently um to smoke community park has a couple of picnic tables couple of trash cans there is a working water fountain um there is currently just a metal swing set and a metal slide and a a portet so we had a workshop on better place last year in budget process and we commission agreed to build um bathroom the one you've seen in the most recent I believe was Harry Banks Park that was a $50,000 bathroom which is where we got the number but there was a change order at the end of that and ended up costing more than $50,000 so just to show you the other Parks Dexter beach has a has a bathroom and a playground structure evilon park has a double bathroom and a playground structure uh Harry Banks park has the most it has the bathroom it has the old metal uh playground structures as well as two relatively new structures in the play area um and so these are some examp examples of uh you order these from manufacturers and these range up to $95,000 $100,000 uh can be as little as 30 or $40,000 for the little tiny ones but they're they all come together they come as kits and and we assemble them on site uh and then they have a shelf black due to the plastic if you seen the one Eva L it's very faded out and probably really needs to be replaced these are just examples I was looking at pre-fabricated structures and they're $1 to $150,000 often times they just brought in on a truck and drop them in place hook them up to the infrastructure so this is uh Dexter Beach Park this is more likely although frankly um it almost might be better to build a single stall uh this one for instance at har Banks Park the right hand unit is locked because it's been damaged so heavily uh and they were damaged they were destroyed we understand right after they were built uh so we're what we're considering in all of our bathrooms switching to metal fixtures uh because what happens is they um They smash the back of the the lid the back of the toilet and they smash the sink or they light fires in the sink um so we need something that's a little more durable uh for the bathroom so what the grant would do is we would apply for um a play structure at approximately $100,000 and then um or more and then the bathrooms minor setting is they only pay for half a bathroom so if we were to ask for $50 $75,000 for the bathroom and then we'd match that with our better place uh budget um we could get permanent bathroom structure in the park that would be more aligned with this one or even just a single user um to help us with maintenance and so forth so again this will be a couple years away then fortunate part of it is um the grant would be the decision would happen next spring or with the with the state budget we get the announcement in June um and then we do all the paperwork and we would the funds would likely be available um in fiscal year 26 which is the following fiscal year we would have to pay for everything and then we submit for a reimbursement at the end of the project like we did Fletcher Bart was the most recent one uh we did some um small repairs out there and remodel a bathroom and um we put in a new handicap accessible um table and picnic table and some other minor improvements some new trash cans out there in that part we end up spending only about $32,000 I think part of it was to be a trail through the swamp there but turns out we couldn't get in there with any kind of equipment to clear clear a trail so we we have to take that off for Grant so do you have any questions or coms question that is kind of disturbing you said they will smash for Vandal Vandal we're talking vandalism right yes so if we've got 10 of these bathrooms in town is is there a budget for vandalism I mean what what does it cost the city per year to keep up with the vandalism little alone the M don't don't track that a lot of it vandalism just we clean it up our folks go every Monday morning they go to all the parks and check the bathrooms and into the trash cans and clean the bathrooms yeah but I I can understand cleaning but given that a bat cost 50 to $100,000 I mean to replace stuff in it must be 10 or $2,000 not so far I we we've had to replace toilets individual toilets um I'm not sure what's broken in the one bathroom that's still lock at Harry Banks where is the big huge price come in for at the it's not that six the construction it's construction cost they're block structures they build a block thing that's what 16 by 16 maybe okay I just don't see that why it's such a huge price maybe you can Enlighten I I'm not in a construction business I just know what the what the cost is I know when we we we were trying to build an ambulance bag just a bay and some dorms we thought $400,000 would do it came in almost a million so so uh so to build Charles today what do you think it will cost to build a single store 150 well I'm hoping a single stall well if we buy a a prefab that's just delivered it it'll be probably 100,000 in that range but if we construct one um I'm hoping it'll be more in the 50 to 75 range I just don't know enough about construction so is that is that everything or just the structure is that the slab the plumbing yeah that would be finished connected to so uh again 50 to 75,000 is that your I think we're gonna have we're gon have to pick it up I want to know what you all think about a single versus a double if you just go for a double and then that'll be the larger amount the Grant's up to $200,000 but uh for instance the bathroom were $100,000 we would put up 50 with our better place which we were planning to do this year and then 50 would be Grant funded so we could put in it the hole well let me let me just throw this out so let's say it's 75,000 right the J that are here that were just here they're going to sell their home which 12,000 Square F feet and a lot for 300,000 uh so um so 75 is the quarter of what their price would be for house and building in a good size lot um so I lar if would say that 75,000 is High um you see my point I do all I can tell you is that anybody remember when they built the Harry Banks bathroom a few years ago someone bid 50,000 got the bid and then it ended up costing 60 or more that do a change order they had under bid it and and this was years ago so how many uh how many units it's two stall two yeah it's it's um this one Charles what's the traffic like over at cober as opposed to Harry Banks I mean as far as you know the use of a car for people that that you know numbers of people there because I know Harry Banks Park can get pretty crowded yeah you know it's it's not as much but I remember we discussed this last year I I wouldn't take my kids to a park where there was a portalet you know I think that really impacts the use and the equipment is just not you probably couldn't these days you couldn't slide on that slide without getting third Dee Burns you know it's you're expecting a lot more use out of it I think it'll increase usability more used to have more used until lot years ago um but then there was a lot going on at one point you that kind of died out because you had a shop across the street as well that building so you walk back and forth that was a a shop they sold um food and snack that dances in it so restant fa everything well not the park because you huh the store yeah yeah that that helped yes so it was it was always packed out there it was always um and you made an excellent point last year when you said we K we keep getting grants for these other parks and we never get a grant for C Park so it's really time to to fix this park up bring it up to speed well overall I think it's a great idea I think the location is terrific because people like to walk along the lake and um they go get an ice cream this would be well spaced from the other um so and there's no question that the uh the playground equipment is way outdated I don't know that lately you could uh you could use that these days so I agree with the SL when they take it up I want SL so let's talk about the U the funding um so the so in your presentation he said that the city would would build it and then it would take two years to collect the money right no I'm saying we won't we won't get the grant funds won't be available till 20 fiscal 26 so um we wouldn't proceed until we were awarded the grant we got the notification like with with Fletcher that was actually awarded before I got here and then it wasn't until I got a notice to proceed from the state that we went ahead and started spending money that's when you you know you can go we still had to provide them with a survey and there was some other things that needed to be cleaned up so even when when we get notification that we've been awarded until we sign the the agreement and we get a notice to proceed we won't start spending money and then it'll be who us to spend it quickly because we don't get paid back until the whole Grant's closed out oh so I see so we have to wait for approval for the grant and then we can build it uh so our will we get 100% funding for it only for the playground equipment they won't I've been told they won't fund 100% the restroom we'll have to match that with our better place money so what percentage uh would will they do 50% that's what we're going to ask for tell them we'll put out half the bathroom money I was just saying that you know with the new development that would be a nice place walk and take your children so I can see that area utied well I think you're right K I think future development beyond that um it'll bring people in Stella Stella lake is is a jewel with his Seven Springs and um and so forth uh well so let's talk about the bism and so we claim once a week yeah um and um you think it'd be wise to you clean more often well sometimes when we know there's a mess we we have to go back midweek or late week and then and then I instructed the cruise prior to a holiday weekend we clean them up so we're ready for a long weekend or Hol weekend is there a pattern that hit the that often is after a weekend that it occurs um I don't know there's a particular pattern certainly after certain holidays the parks in general have heavy is I've got to pay somebody to come back in go around and lock them then we can unlock them in the morning so we were doing that for a while um we do that sometimes people start sleeping in them uh so we start locking them at night uh we hate to lock them earlier and we've had them locked over the weekend when people go to the park with their children they can't get in the bathroom I I've been in Eva lion Park hanging lights for example and I see a mommy take her child over to the bathroom and they have just come right back as it's locked is that locked so we don't have and we lock it because people sleep in the we we do have posted park hours but they'll sleep in the bathroom and and we don't have staff on weekends correct yeah unless we pay over time yeah also the back so who opens them on the weekend often times they don't get open if we've locked them Friday night um wow lately the vandalism has increased we have a couple that's living in especially de Beach so we're going to have to lock those they get in there before we get there and they lock themselves in and then we can't lock it and so we got to lock it earlier to try to keep them out it's it's a challenge it's an ongoing challenge but to me it's just part of operating a park you go through these phases sorry Alice McCoy 3:15 North summer I just have a question have you ever considered or is it legal to put um video cameras above the above but not the inside of it but the entrance to these bathrooms and a sign there that says you're being videoed or something so so would that cut down any of the activity it could and and we're looking at um getting internet service at each Park location so we can put um Wi-Fi based cameras even that has limitation we have a camera on our building and recently a gentleman was vandalizing Ace Hardware first he took out our camera with a brick and then and then vandalize so we we'll have to replace the camera but we we've the sheriff's always provid us with a nice um camera service that's a uh subscription based camera very high definition but it needs wi-fi so we'll have to have to get an account for the park at that address and then they'll put Wi-Fi uh signal generator out there and then we'll have Wi-Fi at the park so it's a process yeah we look at what other cities you might do because I know the homeless situation is an issue you know so I can see if someone wan to try to sleep in the restrooms but what might they do in other areas for the bathroom situation I know I've seen uh what town I was in their park had a timer lock on the gate that's something we consider where the doors automatically lock at a certain time um The Challenge just like now we have cheap knobs and they get they're destroyed by the Vandal so we buy an expensive time block and then it gets beaten to a pul by by the vandals would be my concern yeah some place like has a and Recreation Department have somebody they might have someone on on shift over so I don't know if I was thinking something that could possibly be so all those guys at maintenance um probably put them on a shipway maybe every day somebody that week you leave 30 minutes early or something so that weekend your response for open and um locking may be on a rotation so that might work it's just one of those things I don't think you like the homeless you never solve it you just figure out way to manage it and to me it's part of having parks and bathrooms available so we'll have a um we'll do a public meeting on the 12th right before 5:30 before the commission meeting so the public will be invited to come and make comments as well and then um we're going to present it concerned citizens uh Christina will probably come make that presentation 22nd of September of a next Thursday next THS a and where do you guys meet since they're voting oh well actually already voting will be over the primary will be over so you'll be fine so be yeah yeah they they normally tell okay so that's what we well I I think the cam solution is the best even they destroy you have record com what are you calling that um public input um for C you want me to it Public public meeting for Park improvements okay thank you very much wait minut I just have one question I know Dan is kind of touched on this but you know the gentleman that we had here earlier they were building six 1600 square foot homes two bathrooms and kitchen lots of plumbing and that and they're charging 300,000 for that plus you own the land right yeah how can a bathroom cost 250,000 well when we put it out the bid we'll show you all the bids somebody somebody and understand this when when coming from grant money this is what they do so they just Jack the well it's repetitively B so we know I I know some guys are build like there less than probably less than $10,000 that you know there people out there that feel that but these grants that's ridiculous something you can get probably two sols for less than that but I don't know if based on the grant that certain people have to do the work just certified just a licensed contractor then we should invite these two gentlemen to B yes it'll be competitively good yes I I would also like to say that I think it would be prudent Charles to inspect those CLE those bathrooms more often um it's certainly for public it's unfortunate but you said 5:30 on the 12 go right 5 5:30 on the 12 right before the commission I have another I have a suggestion you know like when you um tamper with someone's car and a l will go off well if somebody's smashing a sink or smashing a door knob on the front of the door can't you just have a sound alarm with the sirene that goes off I mean that would deter most people I mean what what is I mean is this a new you know thing vandalism I mean is this some kind of urban recreational progr never but I would think that you could put some kind of a noise thing just like they have on cars okay get away from the car but I think that camera people see cameras they respond to the noise noise I mean a noise thing can't be that expensive I'm sure how that works a car worth exploring all you like me to um I just wanted to add something I saw the pictures of the stainless steel toilet and sink which I sold for many years and they're incredibly expensive I mean incredibly expensive and um that's what you put in jails and so I had a customer come in one time and wanted it and I looked it up and it scared me to death how much it was but she said well I just got out of jail and I love the toilet so you never know but uh but anyway they are incredibly expensive but they are virtually indestructible I you need a motion for two or one St um no just your general impressions of a two or one stall my my my thought is it's been overlooked for so many years that I think if we're going to it's probably going to be a while to get back around to it again so I would I would say to that the consensus especially with the new development coming in and will be heavier yeah growth okay okay good thank you thank you there are other materials too yeah we'll have a whole design phase [Music] so I think that's all we have for you tonight yes I was just thinking maybe that's why when we go to Europe all they have is hole in the floor y are too funny today you know say hey we have European bathrooms in our playgrounds we will adjourn the um August 15 City plan on open up um oh foration yes so now now we will proceed with the city of prent City Historic preservation board meeting Al to come up August 15 2024 [Music] [Music] should next mission statement the president City Historic preservation board works to preserve the significant historical cultural and Architectural Heritage of our city for current and future Generations first item of business on the agenda is our approval of minutes from our March 21st 2024 meeting everybody has had a chance to review the minutes of that meeting okay so we have um it has been motion and second that we approve the minutes of the March 21st 2024 historic preservation board meeting at this time we will open for public comments we'll move on to our business items responsibilities I have a comment City should we go there next okay so skiing responsibility in go yeah okay um number three our city codes and Land Development code I was um I was surprised to see apparently on uh on 50 Grand Ronda West um that recently sold within the last year they tore down the house the house was built in 1900 and it was a beautiful Gothic house um and [Music] um it um and behind it which still was remaining the other day is the Carriage House do you know where I'm speaking I was surprised I saw that PN down I thought they were remodeling it but I thought they would then it disappeared yeah I thought it was a great 850 Grand East w okay do they not have to come before any kind of a board before they tear a house down I don't mean just a historic house I mean just any house somebody you can't just yeah is that the one as soon as you go through the you said the Red Roof it was really kind of like a gingerbread like a church wow yes it look very much like the episc yes it's set back [Laughter] um building so it doesn't come to the city at all it just goes to the county and they don't to the building official so the problem is the great structure of importance to our community is lost and so we need to do something about that to protect future ones I understand it's not a historical district however this is a huge era and uh especially because of the history behind the family that owned it success of that family uh they're a long history of going back to Generations um uh associated with that that home and its unique style uh if you looked at it up close whoever the Carpenters were you know the trim on it it was it was unique to that house and um it's it's a shame that it's lost um and it's a shame that uh it wasn't if it wasn't restored on site it wasn't moved um so so we need to look forward on how do we prevent this for happening in the future okay um and I Char I believe that's changing our codes and requirements um short of a um historic designation I'm not sure what what you do as a city to stop it I mean they or is that house in the city like this yes I think so yeah it's between uh us and these Cherry Street things we just reviewed tonight there's structures that have historical significance without being in that little chunk that's designated the historic district I mean there's some beautiful houses in this town that are not in that District if that's the only way we have to protect something we got to figure out something else um well we're going to update this survey once the money is we've got the I believe we were rewarded the grant for the um to update our historic resource survey so that would have identified this house um because that'll be the whole city it won't just be and so then then it'll be up to the uh the commission to to figure out they want to designate a a local historic district or I don't know if you can do a non-contiguous District or they want to designate specific properties as local historic landmarks that would would fill the room I think with um people against it an involuntary designation so I think you need to be aware of that um you we we provide for voluntary designation people could come forward say hey designate my house as a landmark I think it ought to be safe for the ages um but it's different it's a different ball game when you start saying um your house is now historic and you got to ask us if you want to make a change um short of that I don't know um even like our design guidelines are not applicable outside a historic district or a CRA District the state doesn't allow you just to apply design standards all over your city for housing construction so we there has to be a a designated District so the first order really would be is to do a field study to see uh to identify the properties yeah update survey exactly and then and then go forward to see what action we can do to uh protect them and I I appreciate your your thoughts on it but we never had the opportunity to respond in any way so is there no way to like write a letter from the board to whoever gives those permits and say would it be possible for you to notify us if you're going to issue a permit to tear something down in the city limits of Crescent City I've asked for that I I'll ask for it again to make sure they asking if a letter or something from this commission a request that they would have right that that you know for them would be sufficient for them just to notify with they no action they even have to be taken but just so we'll not be shocked when something goes away without any notice yeah typically in a city you're house in the same building you know so when a demolition permit comes in a building perment you can just talk among staff is oh they're going to tear down that old house but Charles we've contracted with them to do this for us so they're they're in a sense working for us sure so it should be a requirement yeah and and I've asked them to notify something like that they do give me a report every month of the building permits that are issued but it doesn't include demolition permits really I think they're actually pretty rare and we've requested is no demolition permits I think the previous one was the little house behind um J asbury's old office that was torn down I still think we should write a letter to them in black and white that we're requiring or requesting whatever we that be done pardon you know I drive up that street at least two times a week I take my dogs for a drive at night since it's so hot and the gats are out here we can't walk the dogs right so take them for a drive and I go up all all the way around there and come back out here but I remember seeing that I thought wow somebody I always looked at it like wow that'd be a great place to remodel because it was so unique exactly yes and then I saw people working on it and I thought ah somebody bought it and they're going to actually remodel it and they did that and then boom it was I mean I didn't even see a pile of rubble it was gone like like aliens came took it away oh I'm sure it collapsed in an hour you know I mean it was was G and cleaned up oh yeah they were very efficient yes yeah thought wow that's strange any but I I I agree that I mean if it's our city we should be notified as to what's going on in the city how can how can the county do what they want in the city like putting these ugly telephone calls these concrete telephone calls and not even notified we asked them to do that lose power the next st came through they the new street lights that are going oh the new street lights how do we do about doing this I'm going to write to Leo tomorrow he theill official find out what happened there is a possibility they didn't pull a permit but I'll find out tomorrow maybe that's why why they tore it down so quick that might explain it so I'll find out what happened tomorrow and I'll ask him to include that in that monthly report he gives me it was down quick is there a f for somebody tearing a house down without a permit find out maybe they can fun the new B we can't get it back so when when when do you think the survey will will begin any idea or not well I think uh memory serves will sign the paperwork in October for the grant and then we just issue an RFP um for services put that out there for 30 or 60 days or how long we think we need to to get someone's interest to catch their attention and then um we'll bring those results to you to review and you'll make the selection you were the commission I see which one that goes to make a recommendation on the vendor and U then they'll get started they'll provide us with a scope how long they think it'll take them to to accomplish it but the whole process probably be a number of months probably be the spring before the the survey is done I would [Music] imagine yeah probably begin the first of the year and then as should say a few months to we should be are the we issue in October you probably make the selection in December and then they'd probably get started after the first of the year might take them two three months to conduct a survey that survey is going to be conducted without it's just going to be a survey of everything in town it's not involuntary it's just going to be survey okay this house is 100 years old this house you know the year Bill mon they do all that research right and then um but it's not finding for anything correct just information it's a survey of what we have I'm just wondering because I live in one of those historic houses wondering no just it was show here's what here's the age of the housing in the city right his last one was 90 95 so a lot of houses have become historic and and the number are gone as well so of course the benefit is that it will allow us to expand theor District you could but expanding the national register really isn't isn't going to achieve what you're looking for that's honorary only there's no punitive there's no teeth there's no teeth to a national registered District you just lose your designation if you change a house we need you need a local historic district that has um consequences has fines and so forth if you make it would give us the documentation to to to enforce it people would have to come in here for a certificate of appropriateness for the changes they want to make that's involuntary well it depends on the how ordinance written so right now the way it's written is you have to voluntarily say I want my house to be designated right and I will submit to the design restrictions and if you don't do that you won't be held to that but if the that's because we don't have a local historic district if we do a local District again depends on the ordinance when I was in when in eustus um 50% plus one of the property owners had to vote to approve both designation and the rule set for how stringent so uh the one that was first established only looked at the facade of the house so they didn't didn't do anything on the sides and back and interior some are much more restrictive some are less so they also vote on the rules so it might not maybe that in their neighborhood they don't look look at your color they don't they just want to make sure the windows look they can be made of whatever modern materials but they have to look like the old window and you know there were shutters on it historically you have to maintain shutters the level of detail was up to them that's what they voted on they voted It Down happen but that's how the ordinance was yeah I don't think there's too many people that want to be told what they can't can't do with their house right it's it's very un well I I think that there to counter that I think about first I think you're right it we don't want something extreme however there are a lot of people that want our sory structures saved and not destroyed I think that a lot of that falls on the homeowner want to make sure that the structure is it's still America well the current Land Development code changes it maintains that voluntary designation the property owner has to agree or ask for design right and there can be there can be assistance in in restoration and making Chang there has to be some incentive sure yeah and you can also have where um say for five years I I did it but I don't want to do it anymore if there's a contract to say I you know I I don't I don't want to be be doing this you you me withdraw you know we can sign up well we signing up for 10 years or 5 years or 3 years but you know and not renewing um because if you sell a house the person that buys it might not want that you know it again it'll be have to be in the establishing ordinance for that District it'll be an ordinance that establishes the district and the parameters and rules and just an interesting story when I was worked in downtown Eustace a big beautiful three- story yellow brick building with Gorgeous architecture and I had sent out a letter to all the property owners saying we'd like to have a discussion about a local historic district and the owner of that building came in cussing me in my office about how he's going to hire an attorney to stop this and fight it if we do it so we just Let It Drop and uh he finally he already wouldn't be able to sell his building so he sold it the guy he bought bought it from him had to hold up the restoration to get it designated as a national register District uh property landmark so he get the tax credits he got 20% tax credit for the renovation but he had to hold up on the renovation if it had been already designated he just gone forward so there is there is an advantage for commercial property for designation you get a 20% federal tax credit income tax credit so it's very valuable you can actually sell that instead of take advantage of it so [Music] anything else three okay so let's move to four recommendations five new historical recommendation nominations six inventory of condemn properties any new properties no new no new newly condemned that I've been aware so what's the inventory on condemned properties because I see a lot of stuff it's been four years I think they're just waiting for a hurricane talk about formally condemned by the building official and I had given you guys a list I think some time ago um if you don't have it off to dig that up there weren't many what's word on that 1515 South prospit isn't that they're bringing that into compliance a little one story bring yeah then they'll come to for a lean reduction or remove the lean because I was going to ask a question that's that's the property that AB buts my property right correct I think so correct and I I had a question you know because I know that they put a new roof on it and then they started tearing down the inside and they haven't done anything on that thing for five months yeah they haven't done anything for a long time and I was just wondering I mean I asked Michelle about this and she says well just they can just keep renewing their permit but doesn't don't they have to show some kind of progress there's an active permit like the little the skeleton house over here on Main Street maintains an active building department really yeah that think's waiting for a hurricane too but no okay so what what's the latest on the I have to check with Pam on the very latest but the last time you told me that they are the owner is is working on bringing it into comp they have to bring it into compliance before we can do anything about the lean now bring it into compliance code onse yeah have to bring it up the code yeah and they were they were doing work I guess until I think they put the cart before the horse on put a new roof on that they put the roof over bad stuff too yeah I called the county on that and they said that a owner has the right to put a roof on I says even if the foundation is eaten up by you know and he [Music] says and they took out some wonderful plantings and bushes and trees and everything in there yeah in the front and then there's a big question on C when I talked to him they said oh we just going to connect it's a sewer there no sewer to connect to over there maybe they found that out maybe that's why they not okay K Miller Miller I think on that say well the uh committee studying this has uh we've met numerous times and uh we've had communication with the school district and they they are pleased that uh that the community is interested in it and possibly acquiring it so the the um one of the goals is to find Partners uh to go to uh go forward with it um because we don't want to bur burden the community the the city with increased expenses um and um even in in acquiring it um so that's that's one of our goals so we're exploring to see uh where there may be a poal possible Partnerships obviously there's a you know there's a theater Auditorium there's a abundance of space um and it's a large square footage the good news is that structurally those those brick buildings are extremely sound mechanically you know there's some uh on the administration building they've removed the cool Tower so that would require a new one um and and so forth so uh we're making uh we're making great progress on it there there has been an appraisal down on the property which we are making a study of uh and um and uh that's uh that's going forward very well uh so we're making progress any questions on it tell us what you mean by partnership well for instance the the the stage there may be a uh a company that would be interested in leasing it out operating bringing entertainment there so would you then like do a lease to whoever that company is and then pay rent I mean is that kind of what you're thinking that's one possibility exactly y the uh the gym it's a perfect spot for exercises and stuff sure a wedding you know a meeting SE seminar um same with the theory so there are a lot of possibilities you must need a management company to you know whether it's a company but you need a manage agency are are you talking about future in the future how can you run something you haven't bought I mean in the future he said in the future the city acquired we could if we acquire okay I think we ought to be careful about what we utilize in there because um there's going to be tax on that building right not if we ow it no no taxes not for purpose oh okay if we subl somebody who's paying for commercial purposes then they'll be no County tax property tax not if it's for a public purpose if the city owns it we pay tax on the new moon lodge because currently it's not open to the public for public use so we pay property tax but if the gym and those things we maintain ownership and it's a public effectively a public purpose so our lease might just be they cover the air conditioning and electrical and the overhead and some small insurance so but if we just lease it to them for $1,000 a month whatever then then it' be taxable you lease if we lease it out like commercial property even though we own it it would be taxable it's not for a public purpose taxable to you I mean we would pay tax which we would pass on to the tenant we pay County tax you know all the taxes would apply if it's not for a public purpose like this building they just reduced the tax to four 4.5% on Commercial there it went from 6.5 to 4.5 that's I'm sorry in part K yeah for commercial property for commercial ground what do we do when it seems like we're in the same maybe situation like the Jenkins building like the city purchased that and they call it the Jenkins Community Center and I think they bought it for small I don't know what they bought it for but I know that the city owns it and um but they did do a gr because I S on that advisory committee where they um it was some type of historical grant that they got and um to to renovate like the gymnasium and now they have like a a sub advisory committee that they want to use a portion of it to um kind of do like a museum of local and surrounding history or what have you so but the the grant itself um was to um it was some type of African-American U I'm just getting that in this as an example um Grant U for a infrastructure of uh building named after a local um you know african-amer which is the Robert building and so that money was is was um meant for infrastructure so they're renewing like they R the air conditioning the the gymnasium or whatever and then now they want to use a they're proposing to use a portion of that um building to highlight highlight local history so I don't know that that's all and where is this facility it's in pal it was the old Jenkins Mar AG Jenkins uh oh oh yes yeah heard and that's just for cities counties don't have that rule they don't have to pay property tax so they they lease out the nursing home over here to a commercial entity and they don't pay property tax they don't pay us any property taxes I just made think of that because they were talking about possibly utilizing some of that states to rent out for Community functions and things a lot of the community has come forward for a community center yes all for many years and understand why everybody got a town hall building and and we didn't got one we could understand why City never had a building and other ideas are veteran all right historic district nothing okay architectural andate and sight guidelines that'll be under the Land Development code there'll be a workshop actually it's a special meeting uh next Wednesday at 1:00 and Mark will be a to present the entire code not going to go through it all it's 222 pages but he'll make a presentation of what the differences are in the old the current code a new code and and hopefully have enough of a discussion where the commission will be ready to vote on the 12th on first reading we set aside three hours to answer all the questions there may be um on the code so that's the 21 yes Wednesday at one starting at 1 o00 um land use and Zoning Maps nothing new that'll be part of the same okay all right El meeting will Beed [Music]