that was already addressed >> that's changed to comment from public hearing to comment >> that should be I don't know the res it's the resolutions through the ordinance that are the public hearing I don't know if they want to put that in try yeah we have that
move on to I guess you go over to nine >> um we've already changed the taking the lake out of the crescent fish camp right >> and the CRA I think we've already discussed the CRA and you had changes to that. You didn't know if we had the CRA.
So, we've asked the clerk to just verify that, >> right? >> Just seem odd that we, you know, it took me two minutes to close out >> or recess the first meeting, open up the second meeting. So, >> might be just a hiccup. Might be a hiccup in the system. It's going to take a couple
>> I I think that might be left over from prior under business items 10. Um the bullet central business district regarding amending round four residential that was um planner Mark Ket
made a presentation um and I believe that one of the property owners Mr. wrong. Millard actually spoke. Um, that's not on there, but >> Okay. So, we need to add that that he
spoke. Okay. And that Mark Caret did the presentation. Okay. >> And whatever it was Mark said we should do it. just I don't know Commissioner Lory's and could the clerk please check and make sure Commissioner Royy's motion was
verbatim because it just says changes to the central business district but none of this says what those changes are supposed to be. So maybe Mr. could help summarize it. I
don't know. But he gave a presentation. I remember that. >> Okay. >> Um Okay. I don't know. >> I don't know that we need to with the location ement concerning FPL request to negotiate. >> That's
I don't know there's it's somewhere near Suma. >> Okay. >> Um and I don't know did did Mr. Frank present on that or was that our city manager? >> Okay. All right. I don't him being there. >> I don't know that he wasn't here.
>> He had Yeah. And we can put coordinates, but we didn't discuss that. We just discussed a so if we can go over to the >> right um oh on further on the next page >> um there's a bullet that says Inspired
Technologies contract. >> Um there was a presentation by the company president. I do not recall his name but he gave >> Okay. So presentation by company president his name. Okay. >> Okay. Okay. Um, and then on the next
page under next steps, the third bullet down, >> um, I have a concern about that is, and maybe our city attorney could help us out. So, the that bullet says the contract has an auto renewal clause, but the city can terminate with 30 days
notice, so there's still time to decide. I I hope that's accurate. like there was quite a bit of discussion over which contract applied because he was presenting an a contract that would have had an auto renewal and there was quite
a bit of discussion about whether the current contract had an autorenewal clause and whether we were past that time and I think we weren't but >> I believe you're correct I believe we were not >> right but did it in other words I don't I don't know what our status says but
anyway if that's correct and that's fine And then under blue ribbon committee um didn't Dan Dodge dodge >> Dan Dodge then present >> so he made present he he gave a presentation requesting to extend for 15 months >> right and that would have been Dan Dodge
the chairman committee >> um okay and I guess that's for >> okay and then we go down to 15 and you wanted to change Um that's really an extension but you
know we can address that in the future I think. Okay. >> When you look at the procedure >> and then we've already changed that on the back for portal league hero. >> Right. So that was all
you have. >> You don't have any changes. >> Can I get a motion? I move that we approve the minutes of July 10th >> as
that we discussed. >> Okay. Do I get a second? Do I have a second? >> I'll second it. >> Okay, we have a proper motion and a second. Any further discussion? If none, all in favor, please say I. >> I oppose. Nay. Okay, so move to approve.
This time I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to open it up for public comment. So please come forward and state your name and your address. This is on topics that are not listed on the agenda. Um they will be heard at this time and you have three minutes. So if
anybody come forward Dian Sykes present city um there wasn't the agendas were missing a we're missing some agendas so I don't know if it's on the agenda or not I was curious as to what the results are of
our audit for the past couple of years ahead that you know for the past couple of years it's a current off audit that we're working that they're working on right now. >> Oh, we're working on the current right now. >> Yeah. Yeah. Diane, we've done we're up to date on all of our audits. They're
working on the current one right now. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yes. If I could just clarify the audit for the year ending in 23 24. >> Okay. But wait a minute. that that audit
is not done. >> That the audit is not done. That's what we're working on. That's what I say they're working on right now. >> Exactly. Okay. The audit for the year ending in 23 was completed I believe shortly after the beginning of this year. >> Yes. And submitted.
>> Right. And submitted. And is that available on our website somewhere? But if it's not, we can make it available. People can ask at city hall for the most. Oh yeah, you can absolutely and then the one for this year is very close to completion.
>> Okay. >> And when we come into um >> Steve's here, >> do you just want to just quickly >> do you just want to just get to be a where we are right now? >> Yeah, we're about to I think seven or
eight tasks is uh all we have to complete. We're just about done. been trying to get get as much as we can as fast as we can. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Do we have any other public comment?
Seeing no one come forward. I'm going to close public comment at this time and we're going to move on to our presentation. Mr. Weaver, thank you for being here. He's the president of the historic property associate. Um he's done our state survey,
our historic survey. something that day. >> Welcome. >> Thank you, uh, Mayor Myers, city commissioners, and especially to the public. A lot of the people that helped on this project are here with us tonight. Um, also, I wanted to introduce
again, I'm Paul Weaver, president, Historic Property Associates, and Zoom in from Pensacola. >> We can't get it to work. >> Can't get it to work. Uh here in spirit is Jenny Wolf
who uh would contribute greatly to the project that we're going to present to you tonight. So the title is historic survey update report for the city of Crescent City and the key word is update because this is a followup to a project
that was done by our company 30 years ago. I hope I'll be around to do the next one. I don't know. But uh our company did uh in the mid '90s uh the original historic property survey of
Crescent City and also a national register nomination in I think it was listed in December 1996 in the National Register of Historic Places. So 30 years had passed so it was
time to to do an update of that. And I'm gonna try and see if I can Okay, there we go. Uh, again, acknowledgements. Um, and there's a long list of people who contributed to this, but I wanted to first recognize Marjorie Neil Nelson.
She's got a park named after everybody knows her. And uh, as much as anybody, she's contributed to the history of Crescent City. uh and uh very much appreciate that her collection
uh was invaluable to the work that we did. And also uh I wanted to recognize a number of people uh that contributed. Nancy Taylor, Ron West, Michael Frank, Kevin Jordan, Bob Lee, Mirra, uh Nancy
here, Danny Miller is here who have contributed. I think I said Bob Lee, uh, John Newold really helped a lot with the, uh, the fern industry. Uh, Rachel Kavanagh, Rachel helped. She always helps me get
my PowerPoint set up, which is incredibly valuable. Uh, the city administration, uh, Christina Marie kept us on track. We got it done on time. Uh, and even our
new city manager, I think Derek pushed the button to send the final report. So, it was it was definitely a group effort. And as the saying goes, this place really matters and it really
matters to an awful lot of people, most especially Commissioner Lori, who uh really, I think this was his passion. Uh, shared the old career generals with us. I went through and a lot of uh Commissioner Kang Dito's family going
back to her grandmother objecting to the widening of Summit Avenue and taking out all the beautiful oak trees in the in the early 1950s. So that was that was a fun thing. >> We also have Sheree >> and Sheree reg I'm sorry Sheree
>> and Sheree is our she is actually our historian now. >> Right. and Sheree was very and actually I'll get to Sheree at the end of the presentation. Absolutely. >> That's that's pretty great out there.
>> But the point being it was you have a great community, you know, loves the history and has done a great job of of preserving it uh up until this point. So, I wanted to give you a few highlights. This is a map that Miss Wolf
did part of the survey. Uh there's a historical component, there's an architectural component and then at the end there are recommendations. But uh I think just this is a survey area which was the corporate limits and then I wanted to go through and talk a little
bit about some of the exciting findings that we found. One was a lot of information about George Oliver who in a sense was really George Oliver, a man from Scotland and 50 African-American slaves were who founded basically Crescent City. And I had the great good
fortune to find George Oliver's last will and testament about 250 pages and it tells a whole story. Uh this was a a major uh pre-Ivil War plantation. Uh it gave the list of the slaves, the
people who worked here, the families, and they were very skilled individuals, friers, carpenters, uh people that could run a cotton wheel. So this was no mom and pop operation. I guess I was talking before the meeting
with uh with some of the people in the audience. Uh this was uh an advertisement after George Oliver died for the sale of his estate and it sounds like a contemporary chamber of commerce
uh description of you know Crescent Crescent City. Um but lay between two legs, elevated springs, all of the all of the things that make this place just a remarkable uh setting.
good handic land. There were, as he says here, two or three already flourishing sour orange groves. So outside of St. Augustine, I think this this area, the Fland Peninsula is really uh where the
Florida citrus industry began. So very very important contribution to the state's history. >> We get into post civil war major JL Burton. He was really really one of the citrus pioneers. Took a lot of that sour
orange fruit spot and created his own grove and also helped others create uh orange groves uh in and around the city. Uh this is Bill Hubard who created that wonderful Hubard Park up there
uh along with his son. I thought this was great. And this is Henry and Kate. uh they were newly uh when that when the Hubard house was built and uh raised their uh family. Unfortunately, Henry
Hubard died fairly young uh after I think only about 10 years after the house was built. but somebody who really I think had the first scientific approach to citrus cultivation in the state of Florida and is recognized in
the Florida citrus uh hall of fame for his work in entomology. Uh Leonard Eaton, we found a lot of information about him and he pretty much built everything in Crescent City. He found a couple of additional buildings that had not been known that he built
and one of them was the Hubard house. Uh it had been unknown but I found this uh article in the Palata paper Hubard uh it describes building Queen Anstyle and uh
trying Mur Eaton and Hutchinson and this was not too long after Mr. and came to Crescent City that he built what is a building of statewide significance here in in Crescent City.
And again, let me go I wanted to go back to the this is I I think this is the only picture I've ever seen. Mr. Eaton is the one on the right uh hand lower right side and that's his wife in the middle and his father-in-law
uh Mr. carve on the left out at the grove. I think it's on the west side of uh of the lake. Another important find that we found, we worked with Dr. Wayne Wood who wrote the
history architectural history of Jacksonville. is very interested in Crescent City and had done a talk recently uh in Ocala about uh an architect Wilbert Tally who presided up in Jacksonville
and the the architect was Roy Benjamin who was probably the most noted historic theater architect in the southeast and designed the BIA theater that had not been known and we were able to document that through
um newspaper research. >> Then he also designed the Florida theater. >> Florida theater. Yeah. >> And the the the VIP theater was his second work. He was still a young struggling architect when he did that.
One of the most important I think contributions that hopefully we made was the post World War II era. The previous survey cut off right around the the end of World War II. So we tried to develop a historic context for that post World
War II period. Around 1960 is when the city sort of started branding itself as the vast capital of the world and many important individuals in the city. A Philip Randolph
uh was born here. His uh his father was a minister at the local Ae church. We have a chapter on the African-American history of Crescent City. Education. I don't I don't think I've ever been in
a community where more things burn in Crescent City. Unfortunately, the high school, >> this is 1951. And then uh I don't know whether many of you know about the Rosenwald schools, but Rosenwald um was the owner of Sears
Roadach and he provided funds throughout the the South for African-American schools and we have a Rosen Walt school here in Crescent City. It didn't last very long. Again, it was one that that burned. This is not it, but this is it
was a six room school and they had standard plans. So, I found this and this is what it would have looked at. I I don't know that we've ever kn anybody's ever produced a picture of what it actually looked like, but uh it was here for probably I guess about five
or six years. very very important aspect of the history of the of the unit. Okay. Okay. and also uh some of the important educators in this Iona
uh Matt Bernie was from Denver uh important uh librarian and educator here and she was the first African-American to become a member of the faculty of the high school when we
had desegregation back in the 1960s and also had a I kind of broke up the sectional education uh also uh had a component of the Africanamean educational system here as
well. And then Mr. Harel Bernie was a principal at middle school here and went on to become an administrator over at Cookman College and there's a good bit of information about his work here as
well. I thought you would enjoy this. Um, I think Commissioner King, one of the meetings I attended before said, "This used to be a bank." >> Yes. >> And there it is on the left. This beautiful kind of international style mid-century building, and
>> it's kind of been remodeled, but that's where we're at today. >> So, we tried to do a lot of include a lot of historic photographs, have sort of before and after to show you where we're at. And this was one of the kind of the interesting finds. Uh we walk
around communities and what is so important? Well, essential services. How about the waterworks? And I I go on and I look through there was nothing about the waterworks. And I have
to confess I've done a lot of work and we kind of ignore it, but the water works source of fresh water. But how about fire protection, too? And this the the the Crescent City Water Tower
uh was built um I think around 1924. It certainly appears on the San Fire insurance map in 1926, but uh the company that built it, I think it was a Chicago Bridge and Iron Works, it's not in Chicago, and they
never build anything of iron. are actually in Texas, but they had kind of the the patent on this type of tank and built them throughout the United States, including the one that's built over on Medell that's listed in the National Register, Historic Places. The only
difference between your order tower and the Vanell water tower is yours is older. And this is one of the thing Dr. Wood helped me though. Uh the house on the left, it's the Kum Yeah, the cheetah house. I used to own
the one in the middle >> with a group of investors and I saw the cheetah house and I go that's this the same building virtually. And so I talked to Dr. Wood about he was amazed that I
you know not only did I do but I had owned it. I owned it for a number of years. And then on the one on the right is from Riverside. These were all designed by Wilbur Tally, a Jacksonville architect. And Dr. Wood made me swear not to say that Tally did it because we
don't have the evidence for it, but it's a remarkably similar. And he contributed this uh this little uh montage of photographs and interior, which I think is really very beautiful. Uh one of the
sad things to report is we've lost a lot of important buildings in the last 30 years. about 10% of the district, particularly over in the African-American community, there's been a lot of important buildings lost there, but still
um the percentage is is sound. It's still uh clearly a qualifying district and and some of our recommendations are about and a matter of fact we have a grant application to update the district and we're going to bring in some of the
post uh World War II buildings if we were able to get that. But that's one of the some of the information that's included in the report. And then I really wanted uh to emphasize I think how important the Georgia Middle School
community is or the school is important to the community. We included a section there on financial incentives. We think the building is individually eligible for the national register uh either through an individual
nomination or updating inclusion of the dis of the school in a in a uh updated district. Uh there would be a lot of financial incentives, tax credits. I've done a lot of work with Ed with u preservation easements where a private
developer could come in and take a major deduction uh for uh uh surrendering de development rights. Um there's addensions. There's a lot of things. Right now, only part of
that complex is listed in the is within the district. The things that were built in the 1950s are not considered contributed. And then um one thing that's extremely important and a recommendation is we we really
need the community really needs to find a home for the This is Sheree. Sheree, there you are. I didn't forget about uh the the the uh the Nelson collection,
the newspapers that Mr. Commissioner Lori has. I think it's really really important to find a place for those, to digitize them, to preserve them because you have a wonderful history and it's pretty much intact. So with that um I
don't know whether I certainly would uh like to have answer any questions. I do once we answer questions I'd like to present the mayor with a copy of our report if that's okay but we'll open it
up for questions from from you madam mayor from the commissioners and anybody >> questions >> I have a couple questions but also um Mr. We was giving the credits which were um very due. The one person who was I
mentioned was our former city manager Charles Rudd. I believe it was Mr. Rudd who initiated the application for the state grant that has paid for this survey. >> And I believe that it was Mr. Rudd that brought to our attention that the
original survey needed updating and that he could apply for the grant. So we we owe the financing of this to >> you really owed it. Unfortunately, I never got to be. >> Well, that's okay. But so it's our it's our job to give those thanks for what he
did. Um and I do have questions, but maybe somebody else wants to go. >> I'm sorry. He's on the beach in Brazil right now. >> Well, he's getting a nice reward, but that's okay. Um I do have a few questions, but if somebody else has them, they can go first.
>> Okay. um my question. So um I looked as much as I could um with my vision problems at the online version um and you kindly brought two um very
valuable printed copies. One question I had is um how do we I guess our national register district as it is now stands as this until there's an application for an amendment. Um,
I noticed there were a multiplicity of files with assessments of individual properties. And it's my understanding that you went back and reviewed every property that was in the original survey or in in the original survey or in the
original district. >> We did everything uh within the corporate limits, but our focus was on the district, >> right? >> Because that's the sort of the practicality. That's what's important. So, we we did
uh an update of every building that was in the district, including the ones that were demolished. >> Okay. So, doesn't this is my question. Um I looked I just sampled the individual files that seem to be the
review of the individual sites, structures. There didn't seem to be a street address. like how do we um is there a key if you want to check on the status of the building? Um because one question I have
is um I just did a rough count and yes it seemed that we'd had 10% complete structure loss but I know when they did the original survey some buildings were deemed not eligible to be contributing structures because of modifications.
Are did you note those kinds of conditions in the reervey? And if we wanted to find the status of the building, is there a key to them? >> We did a we did a a a form and did a
visual assessment. So it would be uh an evaluation until we do the actual survey update it would only be sort of a I guess a recommendation >> just yeah
>> okay >> the way to access uh unfortunately it's maddening because the way we we do the files is by Florida master site file number, but you go you
can go out and find something like for you can go to the inventory if you have a particular building you want >> uh >> free north side >> okay >> you go in the inventory it's got a Florida master site file number so then
you can go to >> the digital file or the the other thing we did you haven't got you haven't seen the hard copies the hard copies are are organized by street address. So everything is cedar cyprress
and so you would be able to go to the hard copy >> and and see that. And also I haven't really we did this in another community. We're going to
give you as a final project the digital updates, but we also have the original 1995 digital files that we will give to the city and you would do I guess the easiest way uh would be through the
inventory. If you want to find the particular building, you go to the address, you find the Florida master site file number, and then you can go and look digitally at the individual files. So there I think there's
>> Okay. So, and I I can see in the um I can see in the printed copy that there is a listing by inventory buildings. Um, and then one building I I saw Jenny Wolf at the preservation on Main Street conference and I asked her whether um
you know how things were going and was Middleton Bernie Elementary School one of the surveyed buildings and she said no >> it's outside the >> it's outside the district. >> Yes. >> Okay. But there was there was some
discussion at the original um planning and zoning historic preservation board meeting that you came to and presented to. Um the some of the members of that board I believe asked about Middleton to Bernie because I believe it fits within
the age um category but it is outside the district. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> We can do a we can do a form on it. you know, that's part of this process is, you know, having you look at it. So,
>> okay. And then I guess >> but there's an we included an awful lot of historical information. I think it's even more important in the in the report. There's a whole section on the on the Bernies on the school, the
whole context of the African-Americans. We said we had we had a a specific section of the report on the African-American community and also on the importance of education for the African-Amean community. That's where we
the the Rosenwall school was in that. Uh there's a map of I I guess it's historically was the Whiteville neighborhood that shows the original Hudam County school where it was
located. So there's a lot I think uh to be honest a lot of original information that hopefully nobody's seen before that we included. So it's not a big deal if we want to do we want to do a form on that's cool we could do that >> um because in there was intra express
quest >> okay >> in that >> I appreciate yeah you saying that >> okay I think I wrote that okay that's all I had >> um I I wish Jenny was able to be with us but um really what my real question is
next steps obviously we put in the grant application to do the update to the national regist Sure. Um, what else do we need to do to move forward here? Like for us as the city commission to make sure that we preserve these buildings and
the education is a big part of it. >> Well, Jenny in particular put in a section, I think you have a goal to become certified locally or >> and that will provide you technical assistance from the state preservation board. It will provide some funding. Uh,
and that's really kind of the gold seal. So, that's part of it. Uh, another thing and and Commissioner, you probably know a lot more about this than I do, but um there was I guess an ordinance which was supposed to update
um the historic preservation element um and it's kind of in limbo is best way I could describe it. Uh it it that needs to be looked at again I think considered and u I'm not sure whether your
preservation board right now has any authority under the ordinance. I don't know whe it's just advisory but uh that was one of the things that we talked with you. I saw I looked over I'm not an attorney. Uh uh I wish Miss Wolf could
contribute because she's a she's a historic preservation planner, but we certainly I would I would say uh it might be a good idea. I don't know whether it's the commission or the uh your preservation board. We might want to have a workshop at some point and
have Miss Wolf here or Zoomer in or whatever it might be to talk about that because we don't want this just to be you know the momentum here and uh you know this this survey 30 years ago was a
foundation for a lot of good work and hopefully this one will be as well. I I believe so >> because I think you're you know it's it's a wonderful cultural asset but it's also um heritage tourism it's financial
incentives it's a lot of things that the community identity centers around I think the setting and also it's its history so this this place matters really does and we would look forward to working with the mayor of city
commission and particularly with you and with your preservation board at some point if you would like to have us come and participate in a workshop. >> I appreciate that. I think we definitely would like to have that happen >> and that was one of the goals of um
Charles too is the certified local government >> and you're not far away. >> I just want to say thank you very much. We've been a long process. I know, but you definitely, you know, here may that will show.
>> I am suddenly missed by the >> Yes, absolutely. >> I'm I'm Thank you for the information, but I've never heard of um Rosenwood. >> That's new to me. I I just want that information. But I was I was concerned um next on Cedar Street. My grandmother
owned a house on Cedar Street which was a two-story building. We never took money which it burned it burned way back in maybe the early 70s maybe >> right >> and we was concerned because someone told me that the house was was an old
hotel but I wasn't I'm not sure >> any information about it. Um, one of the things that uh we can provide uh and kind of to elaborate on that when we give we give you the hard copy of the files, but I was talking with
Commissioner Lori, I did a lot of detailed research on individual buildings, >> okay? >> Uh that will go as a supplement to the kind of sterile for the master site files. And one of the things that I
don't know whether it was available or not, but we use sandborn fire insurance maps of the city from 1926 and I think 19 41.
That building should appear on that. >> Yeah, I think it was in the 40s when they when she probably they um purchased it. Right. >> It's that right here on the corner right in front of um Jeffro Baptist Church. >> Yeah. I I I know what your Was it a like a hotel?
>> It was a twotory building. She just had my grandmother made anyone stay there. Didn't have anywhere to stay, >> right? >> So, she was that kind of person. >> Well, at that time, I mean, it was like the green book. Yeah. They probably >> was a kid when when it burned. So, I don't really know information, but I was
looking >> I I I think I I think I remember it. But >> of course one of the limit we can only you know we did some we did something on the Gilbert Institute that burned a long time ago. Unfortunately we had a very limited amount of time. We couldn't you
know focus on things that had a lot of things have gone. Okay. >> So we're trying to thank you >> but but let me get in touch and I will uh one of the things we're going to have is like general information and I have done digital copies that I could even email to you.
>> Okay. of that area and your grandmother's building. Well, I'm sure it's on there and so we could we could provide that to you. >> Rosen, did he say where it was located?
>> Rosen wall. It was up north. It was outside the city. >> Yeah. the one that I know and I again uh I was I was sort of fascinated but it's up I think the school was north of the churches and
I can't remember exactly where but uh I found newspaper articles in the black newspaper about it and they gave like this general description. I was kind of pulling my hair out and then I went and looked at the sandboard map. Boom. Bing bang boom. There it was.
>> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. And it's it's on I I know it's on the 1926, so we can we can put it to a specific lot and block in the city. Okay. >> So, but uh thank you for your questions
and I will I I I know I can send that. It's very easy for me to send that to you and we can communicate if >> Commissioner Burton. >> No, I'm good. Good. Okay. Any other questions? >> All is good.
>> May I present the board? >> Thank you very much. Thank you for all your hard >> I I'm not sure what I'll do now after. >> Is there life after Christmas? >> There is another one. This is quite larger than that other one. >> Yeah. Well, thank you.
>> It was 250 pages. A labor of love to the community. So, thank you all very much. meeting for anybody located on the clerk's desk. >> And I gave a I gave a second copy uh we brought two copies the second copy to Commissioner Devito and I think
Commissioner we talked about hopefully there's unlimited digital copies but I will confess a lot of the detail we did it in color. A lot of the detail on these maps and different images comes out better to me at least than the hard
copy. So let us know and we look forward to continuing to work with you in the future. Thanks so much. >> Thank you. Thank you so much. >> Can I just say one thing as a wrap very quickly? Um I think we also owe a lot to the people who spearheaded the first
survey. Commissioner Rory mentioned that that was a lot of volunteer effort. I think our former mayor and county commissioner Harris was a huge leader in that and my observation is um the historic society which um commissioner
Lori and I part of and Dan Miller and quite a few people in the audience um we have been very concerned to see over the years that there was a big effort to do the survey and then the preservation element didn't happen and I think
Crescent city missed an opportunity because and I think Mr. Weaver can verify this in communities that preserve their historic buildings, property values go up and uh it leads to economic prosperity. So I think it's it's an
asset that we have and I'm hoping that we can um following Mr. Wever's recommendations and make good use of those assets. >> Okay. Thank you. Hey, now we're going to move on if we can to the sheriff's office. And I would like to introduce
not the captain user, but now our major David as of as of August 1st. Everyone, let's give him a round of applause. >> Very welld deserved. Very well. >> Less freedom and more responsibility.
The further you go up the chain, the less freedom you have. There's obviously one of the advantages and disadvantages. So >> in respect of your time, we're going to report on how much to go this month.
First we're going to aggravated assault was at 896 North Summit Street. Don't want to discredit McDonald's at all. However, they came from outside of the county and into the city. someone to get something to eat there and a gentleman decided to brand a fire on him after a
domestic dispute. Uh after an invest thorough investigation obviously by our detective we uh subsequently obtained video footage that confirmed this incident two of happened and we eventually made an arrest after a warrant was obtained for Mr. Joseph M
say so he is still incarcerated at this time. Any questions on that one? Second was a traffic crash. Basically, another rear end car driving their not paying attention behind them and hits
the rear of the car in front of them. Now, down to the meat and potatoes. We had 222 total calls for service. 70 of those being traffic stops, one being traffic accidents, 16 reports, six arrest, and one warrant after David was obtained. We eventually made an arrest
on that gentleman. That was the first case we talked about ear up there. Any questions? There's your 100% crime reduction for the month of July. All joking aside, this is great. This is
this is awesome for pres. Good job, my guys. That's all I have for that so far. I know we have some other stuff to discuss. I know we've moved that on the agenda. But we were ready to move into that. >> We did. Do we have any questions of
major SR before we >> um go into the Yes. >> I just have one question. Um the statistics for um costs for service and crime within the city limits. Is that information available as
aggregated for South Panam or would it have to be for the whole county? >> I can do it by geographical location. That's very time consuming. But I can actually take certain areas whichever area you're asking about. Yes, I can gather that information. We have the
ability to do that software we have. I can either like with what I do with Cresant City is I take a very specific map and I draw a map all the way around Cresant City with the program we have and that's where I get all my data from. So while there are things that can
happen just outside of present city like traffic accidents or even a traffic stop that may be outside the city limits I don't count those things. So just as an idea, if a deputy is working traffic at the intersection of junction is 17 and the vehicle's running the stop sign south of 17, it's probably calling the
traffic stop out outside of pres city and city limits. So we're not getting credit for that. I'm giving you everything that's happened inside of city city limits. Even when we went to arrest this other gentleman that while that warrant affidavit was on there, I didn't care about that arrest because that happened outside of city limits of
credit city. So even though we're getting information and obtaining information on things that are happening in credit city, maybe making arrest outside of it, we don't get credit for certain things. The actual call happened here, but I may have to account the arrest. It's just so time consuming to get that information. So what you're seeing there is what is in my little box
that marks the city limit city and everything inside of there. >> Statistics are available for county. >> Yes. Yes, ma'am. >> Okay, that's all. Thank you. Any other questions? You
>> sure? >> No, I'm not. But but >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. >> Okay. Do you want to? >> Uh yes. Um at this time, we can go ahead and and Mr. Alex, if you could come up and and speak. I'd like you to discuss
um our agreement for law enforcement services. As all of you know, the um you know, our agreement is up for renewal and so you have before you, you may be copies. You have before you the proposed um
agreement from the sheriff's office. >> That's correct. Alex Sharp, Putnham County General Counsel for the Sheriff's Office. It's a pleasure to be back here. I don't think I've been back here in about six years, maybe five. I'm not sure. But uh yes, we uh uh the contract
that you have in your hands uh has been reviewed by myself and your your city attorney, Don Holmes. Uh there were some uh last minute changes to it in the monetary amounts and the duration. uh we have shortened the duration down to one
year uh in consideration of uh what the fiscal climate is right now so that you're not locked into a three-year term. In addition, uh we've also reduced the amount back to the original amounts
that we started with on the last renewal and that's what we're presenting to you tonight. So it's the same amount that we have had for the past four years. >> That is correct. >> Okay. Going into our 50s. Okay. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> And I'm here to answer any questions if you have any questions. >> Okay. Do you have any anybody have any questions? >> Um I have one question. >> Okay. But before that I have an observation. Um
I think this is very just for my fellow commissioners. I think this is very helpful to us because it is a tight budget year and we are maintaining the same price. Um so I have two questions for Mr. Sharp. >> You said one commissioner.
>> Well I have two. So, um, the way you phrased it was, um, we're not locked in, um, for more than one year, but my concern is, um, hopefully
the sheriff's office, um, contemplates continuing, um, to have this contract with us so that we can have, um, supplemental services for the city. I can assure you the the sheriff and the command staff are dedicated to providing law
enforcement services for the city of present city >> but the the supplemental plans. >> Yes. >> Okay. We know we're entitled to the same services. >> You are entitled to the basic service the extended service that we >> and contract for.
>> Then just my question about the contract on page seven. Um there's an item number four. I don't know what the overarching section is, but it's on >> I would have to borrow your contract. >> Thank you.
>> And I think we talked about this during the last reward, but maybe not. So when you get to page seven, >> I'm there. Commissioner Um there's a paragraph labeled four and then it it's the part about hiring and training.
>> That's correct, Commissioner. >> Okay. And so we still need that paragraph because that came from the original um that came from the original startup contract where you didn't have those five deputies. >> And and to answer your question, uh law
enforcement is a revolving job. We are constantly hiring people. Right. >> Um they have to attend actually I'm teaching the academy the law section of it. They attend an academy a day class probably about 6 months. Once they're out of the academy then they're uh we do
a a four month up to a four-month training program. And it does take time to bring in new deputies. And we need that we needed that clause back then when we first originally did it and we need it now. But at no time uh would you
not have coverage out here that the contract states. But we need that buffer in there to allow us to recycle people and get them on the streets. >> But we are we will still be receiving the one additional deputy per shift.
>> You you the coverage that the coverage will continue. Yes, Commissioner. >> Okay. I I don't really I've never understood why that has to continue but um things have worked out. So hopefully that will continue to work out. >> I think I think it has to continue
primarily because just like any employer will come and go, you know, >> the the surrounding areas they they the starting pay for surrounding uh counties is is significantly higher for us. >> I I know all that. But the the issue was
in the original startup contract, we were going to have like specific officers and they had to be trained and we wouldn't have them until they were trained, those specific officers. But now in as we go forward, this seem I
mean it just seems a little contradictory because there will be no lapse in coverage, >> right? I mean that >> No, there will there will be no lapse in coverage. So, I mean, it's it's slightly different circumstances. Um, and as I said, it's
worked out. I know deputies get trained, but I think this had to do mainly with the initial agreement, but it's all worked out. So, it just it seems to be a little bit of a contradictory provision because we're not really waiting on anyone. You put someone in that slot for us and we get the service.
>> We do. >> Okay. That was all I had to ask. >> Okay. Any other questions? Commissioners more Commissioner Burton. Okay. >> Um I I just on behalf of um
and I hope I speak for the entire commission and the city um we are so appreciative. Um, we know that both you and Major Aeri had a lot to do with this as well as Chief Blunt and um, most
especially um, Sher Lage. And so we are so appreciative um, for your willingness to work with us this year and help us all get through what we're all dealing with. We know you also have budget constraints. >> We do.
>> Extensive budget constraints and um, as as do we. Um, but I just want to say and please take that back. How very appreciative. Um, and you know for any of you that want to question or have any questions about this, if you look at
other you look at other areas, we are very blessed. Um we're we are we are I consider us to be very blessed um with the contract that we have in place and um this is going into our fifth year and
and thank you all for making us safe um and a desirable community for people to live into. Do we have any anything else? is when we have this before us, we can um if if commission so so once we can go ahead
and and we can approve this um we have to have it um in in place by the end of September >> but um if if it's in place now then we can go ahead and base our budget on it which seemed for us to do. >> Commissioner B. I do have one more
question who user >> he already >> he just hasn't changed his name tag still >> who's taking your place >> nobody just yet but I have that person
taken now here's what I have agreed everybody >> still I have requested from the sheriff and chief one that I still get to communicate with you guys. And I still will be here every month with the meetings. My
everyday activities that I normally have down here be stretched a little thin. I'll try to get down here a little more or a little more than I can. But for right now, I do not have a replacement for myself. I have asked to be able to keep the services across the city. So me and me and the new city manager here and
the mayor will be in there at time. Most of you guys have my phone anyway. So just call me anytime. >> You're going to be sorry for that. >> No, not this is this is When I say it again, when I when I drive through almost the entire county to come down here, this has always been my diamond
and rough and just don't want to give it up yet. So, you still got me for a little while. >> That's okay. That's okay. >> Okay. Um, I would like to move that we um approve the agreement for law enforcement services between Crescent
City and the Putham Sheriff's Office that was provided to us today and that would be authorized our mayor and city manager to execute this agreement upon approval by our city attorney. >> Second.
>> Okay, have a proper motion and a second. Do we have any other discussion? Do we have any um public comment? Okay, seeing no public comment. Um more discussion, I'm going to go ahead and Yes.
>> One point to raise. Um I know that um people have noted that we have a higher mill rate in Crescent City. But other than one other municipality, we're the only municipality in South Pam that provides these additional services.
and our officers as they did um with our predecessor agency provide backup for the rest of South Pton just like our fire services do. So um I think it's it's a benefit to the whole area. >> Absolutely. And having this substation
here it's also for South that's I think a huge benefit for for everyone in the surrounding South area. So thank you for bringing that to our attention. Madam clerk, if you would please do a roll call. >> Commissioner Burton, >> I.
>> Commissioner Moore, >> I. >> Commissioner Lori, >> I. >> Commissioner Devito. >> Hi. >> Mayor Myers. >> I Okay, so approved. Thank you. I also I also asked this is a little bit
off, but while he is here, um, Mr. Sharp, if you would, if you want to just real quickly, the county is currently um working with the sheriff's office and they've asked us. Um I'll let you I'll let you speak to it
the copy for everyone just to kind of look over for the next >> copy for Thank you, >> Mayor. I want to touch base on one thing that I forgot about. I'm sorry for the interruption, but can you maybe touch base on the
ordinances as well? >> I was going to thank you for the regular county ordinances on the judiciary process. >> Yes. Yes, I will. >> Um I'm going to address this one first. Um,
if you've been following the local news, we had an issue where a trailer park uh within the uh within the county was harboring um there's no other way to say it was uh just
housing sex offenders and sex sexual predators. And uh subsequently we we did a little research and we found out that all of the other surrounding counties around Putham County have a more stricter local ordinance in place uh to
where they can reside and what they can do. And what we found were 60 to 70 70% of these people that were living in this trailer park were sexual offenders and sexual predators that were not local to our area. And uh Sheriff Delo takes uh
the uh uh the crimes against children very seriously and he instructed us to draft something together to give our law enforcement a little more teeth when dealing with these. And this is the product of it right here that I've
handed to you. Uh the county commissioners voted on it today for the first reading at the second meeting. Hopefully it should be passed. Um we are asking that and I'll be going to all the municipalities but you guys are the first. I will uh be asking all the
municipalities to adopt this this as well so that we have a uniform uh ordinance across the entire county uh to where uh the officers whether they be in Crescent City or maybe even the city of Palaco or in the unincorporate areas there's one common standard for where a
sexual offender or sexual predator can reside and uh it's it's I I'll let you read it. It's it's a little lengthy but you'll get the gist of it as you read through it. what we're trying to do which is extend the links uh to where they have to stay away from schools, bus
stops, uh certain holidays, whether they can reside together and so forth. And we've u the ordinance actually uh criminalizes a violation of it. It's a secondderee misdemeanor which is punishable up to 60 days in jail or a
$500 fine. And uh that would dubtail in what the major was talking about. I know we've always had a uh issue with the ordinances out here in Crescent City and law enforcement enforcing them and we're also working on some other measures uh
for the animal control to get some ordinances in place where we can issue citations again and also uh I believe I was uh instructed to maybe work with your new city manager about seeing about going back and criminalizing some of your local ordinances that you have a
have an issue with. So it would give our deputies some more teeth when they're dealing with problem areas or things that you find are a quality of life issue. >> Okay. And that would require us to do to criminalize through our ordinances.
>> Not I wouldn't say all of them and and Donna could speak to that. I mean the ones that you have issues with and uh the you know if there's I I I just use an example trespass in a park or something that to that effect uh being in the park after hours or something
like that. The one that comes to mind is uh open container law in the city of Glaca. Uh that was a quite frequent one that we cited back in my uh previous tenure as a police officer. So it'd be whatever that you wanted to convert over to.
I've been trying to keep you updated the best by email on the opportunities. How is that that uh that uh come along with you're trying to pass ordinances and then enforce them.
Um, I think I think at this point I've pretty much I've pretty much given you a uh overlay an overview of what your processes would involve and cost cost uh
at least in concept obviously I don't know about the cost of the hearing officer because that was something that was still being worked out with the city taking the primary lead in that city of Palaca. So, just remember that if what we're
enforcing is a state statute, it is handled in the state framework. If you're going to try to enforce city ordinances, you're going to have to make provisions for those different uh
personnel and processes that uh are are referenced in my emails, i.e. uh a hearing officer that you'll be paying for a per cost charge to process the the
citations through the clerk's office. That's the probably the smaller of the of the costs involved. uh prosecutor or uh or I guess for lack of a better term, special prosecutor, city attorney
designate something somebody prosecute the ordinance violation because the state attorney is not going to um and I'm not saying that in a critical way. They just they don't if they open the door in Button County or for the city of Cres Crescent City, then they feel like they've got to open the door circuit
wide and they just don't feel like they have the manpower to handle ordinance violations. So they would not they have declined. So you've got that whole framework to establish and the cost associated with it. So just keep that in mind beforeh you you know get too
excited about criminalizing a bunch of your city ordinances. Generally in a city, the city attorney would be the prosecutor. Am I correct on >> I'm not sure if I can handle that job. >> Again, maybe it's just going to be an
option that we're presenting to you. Um and uh we just want to make make it known that we're available to assist you on that. I work well with Don. He tells me what to do and I do it. Um, but it it it is an option and uh I know that's
been a a discussion point about our services out here and I do believe that uh overall it's going to benefit the quality of life in the county. >> Um Mr. Sharp with this ordinance.
So what you're asking for the city is to adopt it pretty much verbatim um whenever if we were to do this. >> Yes. I I think you can just and Don will correct me on this. >> I haven't read it. So, >> but I mean you could do you could do a resolution I believe just to adopt and
name the ordinance. I don't think you have to create one yourself specific. Can they do that, Don? Just do a resolution. >> That way they can they can copy your ordinance >> and just put city in place of >> Okay. >> Thank you all and it was a pleasure to
come back. We should not we should do it quicker than 5 years before. You don't have to leave. We're going to be going for a while longer. >> And I believe 10 11:00 is our usual time. >> But thank you. Thank you for coming
down. >> As much as that that intrigues me, I have a little two-year-old at home that's waiting for me. I'm going to probably escape. But thank you very much everyone. >> And please share with Chief Blunt and the sheriff. >> I will bring that back to them.
>> Thank you very much. >> Thanks. >> Okay. With that, we're going to move on to our um uh I'm going to recess
this meeting and open up our CRA. And so do you want to >> Yes, Christina. >> Sure. Um, we have the topic of renewing the Crescent City downtown partnerships memorandum of understanding with the CRA.
Obviously, we're in budget budget season and the contract expires the end of the fiscal year and is that I have a question. Okay, so the contract doesn't expire until September 30th,
correct? That's the end of our fiscal year. Um we are in the middle of um developing our budget. We don't have first reading and well we have first reading >> in September >> in September. >> So
um it seems to me that it might be a better idea. I don't have a problem reviewing this information and I'm glad that it's been presented. Um but I hesitate
to renew the contract until which is part of the city budget. If we renew it now that locks us in um to a certain extent for a certain period of time I think I don't know
there's a there's an out clause here. Is that right? >> Um I'm not sure what the out clause is what you're referring to. Well, >> I think today because we as we know that this is going to expire the end of September. So that we this has just
given us the first the first review of it um >> as we go forward. >> Right. Because I think it was on it was presented as a request to renew it today. >> Says review and renewal but >> right. So I I would be more comfortable
reviewing it. I think it's very important information, but I feel like um we should maybe review this in the context um of the whole budget just in fairness to everybody. I mean, I think
um I don't have any problem with it, but I I just would rather um we had a very preliminary discussion of the budget with a lot of quite a few questions to be answered. So, >> okay. Do you have um Well, I believe we have um >> not their budget.
>> I know. I know. Do you have any other questions of them? >> No. >> At all. Okay. As we go forward. >> Okay. >> Because this is as you know, we have to consider this and I know um Christina Marie, you're still uh I think you sent
that over to Dawn for an opinion. You've gotten several different answers. >> So, you're asking for some clarification. >> Yes, ma'am. >> On whether the CRA can fund our Main Street program.
>> I'll try to get with you. Is your >> Is the Main Street program part of your CRA plan? >> Yes, >> we have in there. Do you have do you have that Christina? Can you sure if you want to read that just for
so we have CRA goals and objectives 25 through 27 that um are identified in our master plan and goal number 28 states that the Florida Main Street and Crescent City Downtown Partnership coordination um and support coordination
with Florida Main Street and support the Crescent City downtown partnership for economic vitality design promotion and organization object Objective one is to contract with the CCDP to administer the Main Street Four Point approach in Crescent City. Objective two, maintain
representation of the CCDP board of directors with the city manager or his or her design that has the authority to represent the city. >> And your main street district or excuse me, your CRA district and your main street district, they are the same. They overlap.
>> Our central CRA. Yes. your your >> our central CRA is um our major program areas within our central CRA >> completely >> and you be taking the money from your central CRA funds or do you have different budgets for your different central
>> it's part of your plan then then traditionally that is the key ingredient is that it be a part of the CRA plan and it sounds like it's specifically referenced in your plan from the central district so as long as the budget the funds come from that that particular
tritude fund then I would I don't see a problem with it. >> Thank you. >> That's my understanding too as long as it's addressed in the plan has to be addressed in the plan before we can spend any expend. Yes, Commissioner De. >> But so the issue I believe that
Christina Marie raised the last time was that she was told at a conference that CRA shouldn't be paying for Main Street at the base for marketing. >> Yes, that that's correct. But being that it's stated in our plan, um there's
otherwise is the case. We're we're fine having it out of our CRA budget. >> I don't know where the marketing comes in if it's part of the plan, but normally normally the the key ingredient of consideration is one is are the funds
being expended in the district, the CRA district, and two is a a defined part of the CRA plan. So with those elements being present, I I do not know about the marketing where that's coming from or how that comes into play, but this the question was
simply do I think that it's possible to use the CRA funds to support the main street and it sounds like y'all specifically provide a 40 plan >> and in theou um it's it specifically states that the CRA has budgeted funds to support the administration, not the
marketing, but the administration of the Main Street program on behalf of the So, if marketing is an issue, I think that would probably cover it. Um, but I know she just needed she's looking for some clarification.
Commission, did you have a >> No, I was think cover it. I was very surprised in the budget that um it seemed to me to to be an extreme
reaction. I don't I don't see why we can't continue as we're we are now. >> Well, in the proposed budget, we still kept the 50 in there and we also put it in the general just in case. That was just >> that's what I mean. >> She said that I don't think we were thrown out. I think we were just needed
some clarification, my understanding. >> But that $50,000 in the general fund budget would would be a lot that was not >> It would be a lot. That's why we were hoping that they could they could definitely fund it out the CR. >> So that's that's been addressed.
>> All right, great. >> So I guess we'll bring this back at the um >> September 10th. >> I can if you want to make a motion. >> So So all of the stuff that we're looking at today is
or not. Is that >> No, it is. is I mean it's something that it's it gives you kind of you know where we go from here. Um and that's what we're >> I can just tell you right now. >> Do you have some questions? Yeah.
>> I'm just not really >> they're here. So >> yeah, I know >> not really impressed with uh you know our net income right right now. I'm not sure what's driving that and I'm not sure if you can answer that right now. So um >> if you will if you want they're here.
So, if you want to ask, >> well, it's, you know, uh we're handing you $50,000. Let's just say that. Um I see your biggest uh what you're paying is the exact director salary is your biggest payment. And then after that, of
course, is your rent and lease fee. Um and we're ending up at minus $5,000 right now. So, so I'm just curious why what happened and why are we not um bringing in any more money to to go to
the next quarter which is coming up you know in the fall. >> Um so can you are you going to be able to make that money up I guess >> and this is the third quarter so this is the third quarter P&L that they have that you have before us. >> Yeah. Barry Robbins, um board member of
Downtown Partnership. Um yeah, and as you know, third and fourth quarter are big quarters. Um always have been. It's when our festivals occur. Um fundraising starts. So um yeah, um we expect Yeah,
we expect to um to be bringing in more money um this starting this next quarter. >> This doesn't show your actual bank balance. This just shows the P&L for this quarter. Correct. I I don't I don't know what paper they're looking at, but I'm assuming >> it doesn't Yeah, the financial the
financials you're looking at will run um I believe um last Monday. >> So that's you have the bank. It's not you're bankrupt. I think is >> I I said I don't He's asking if you're bankrupt. I don't believe it's your bank,
but I'm just I'm just wondering. You know, I mean that that's I think we're showing 19 19,000 there. >> Um, >> no, this doesn't give a full picture. >> No, it doesn't give a real big picture. This is just
>> Okay. Okay. I just I I just hope that I'm not seeing that at the end of the year. >> Yeah. Um yeah, we would normally do our update for you next month um and request the next quarter with our financial
packet. Um this kind of came to us Friday. >> Okay. >> Um so um you sort of have what we have on hand. >> Okay. >> So I think it's it's uh you know I mean I think we can speak to that. is because we do needed to we do needed to talk and
start this conversation because we don't want to come in September and there be questions and then have to have to move it out. So at least this gives us an opportunity. >> Okay. >> Notice >> do you want to report in September or >> request the next
when you do the next request we would just do the normal report I believe >> which should be September. So, if you'll recall, um, in the current budget, it's 375 because there was a transition here. Um, and so,
>> Mr. Rudd asked that it not start until December when all the duties would would exchange. This year, it's 50. So, it's as we go into our budget, being able to kind of justify why we came from 375 up
to 50. Well, we had agreed to 50, you know, originally. However, in the current budget because it started in December or in January that it was 375 is what we budgeted. Got >> so so we just have to we're going through budget right now and we have to
have some justification >> um because we have fiduciary responsibility just as as you know with all of our with all of our budgets um for all of our different areas, >> right? >> So >> Okay. All right. So September >> September.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> You want a motion? >> Do you want a motion? >> No. Yes, I do. >> I move that we table the renewal of theou with the crisis partnership until
September. >> Second. >> Second. >> We have a proper motion and a second. Do we have any further discussion? Um I just want to say we have um before us I think these were just provided today in
addition to profit and loss statement we have their completed activities June through August um and um I think I think they've been very active. Um, I was pleased to see the new executive director attended the preservation on
Main Street conference, which was a very good conference and um, I agree that there's a note here on their activities that says the sessions of conference were highly relevant to local needs. I would really agree to that and um, I
really do have to compliment Mr. Jefferson on being um, present downtown and very active. Um, people tell me that they've met him and that he's um doing a lot um to move this thing forward and
and get acquainted with local businesses. So, just want to bring your attention to that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And I would like to note um Mr. Jefferson and I plan on meeting um this week and having regular meetings every other week to work together on the um
master the implementation plan, you know, our strategic plan and whatnot. So um we can maintain together and work more closely with the partnership as far as so we have a proper motion and a second. Do we have any other discussion?
Um, >> ask your vote. >> Oh, that was that was >> that was the clerk. >> Yes. I >> have a Commissioner Moore. >> Hi, Commissioner. >> Hi,
>> Commissioner Deo. >> Hi, Mayor >> Myers. I table. Okay. So, at this point in time, I'm going to close our CRA if we have no other CRA business. And um we can it's quarter of eight if
we want to take our recess a little early. Um if everyone is okay with that, um I'm going to I would say probably about seven, eight minutes. So, everybody come back. Thank you all.
Commission. Wow. >> Well, maybe. >> Okay, this meeting is back in session. Um Pam has had a request for the commission. Pam, do you want to before
we go forward, we have um Mr. Morris? >> Yes. >> Okay. Mr. Morris is um has been in the audience and he has uh several uh small children that he needs to get home to
and he has asked if the commission would be um accepting to go ahead and hear his his case. >> Nobody who has an item coming ahead of him. >> So the one ahead of him would be um
>> would be the city fish camp. And I don't know, I think that that might be um >> Yes. So, we might get through that pretty quick since this is the second meeting. >> Yeah.
>> So, we can go ahead and do that. Um and we'll we'll work on doing it very quickly and then if we can when we get to our business items, we can move um we can move Pam up. Okay.
would that >> Yes. >> So, we're going to open up a public hearing. >> Yes. >> This is going to be for our second final reading for ordinance 20257 if Mark Brett Rebecca can come speak to that.
Thank you. >> We're going to have to have Mr. H is going to read it for us. >> Okay. Ordinance 203507, an ordinance of the city of Gresen City, Florida, adopting a small scale comprehensive plan amendment in accordance with section 163 3187 Florida statutes
amending the future land use map designation for a property totaling approximately 15 plus or minus acres located at 1000 Grove Avenue, Princ City, Florida. Providing for a change in the future land use map designation from commercial and medium density residential to entirely commercial.
providing for implementing administrative action, repealing all conflicting ordinances, providing for severability, providing for non-conification, and providing for an effective date. >> Okay. Commissioners
made a motion. >> I move that we approve ordinance 2020 or 20250 7. >> I'll second it. Have a proper motion and a second. Do you want to speak to it?
>> This um this is for a planned development for a an RV park or fish camp with two commercial out parcels along US7 that will maintain their general commercial uses for future development and 31% of
the site is to maintain its natural preservation state. >> Okay. Okay. Commissioner, do you have any questions? >> This is on second panel reading, correct? >> Yeah, correct. Second panel reading.
>> Okay. If there's none, I'm going to go ahead at this time and I'm going to open it up for public comment. Do we have any public comment? If you do, please come forward, state your name and your address if you will. Seeing no one come forward. I'm going to close public comment. We have no further
discussion. Madam yes commission I just want to restate my concerns that um I have about the impact on the adjacent residential area um the intensity of the use and um I don't know the lack just
the lack of attention to detail and making sure that it dubtales with the residential neighborhood. I just don't think we did that adequately. Okay. Would you like to speak to that? You're welcome to. >> Oh, I I'm here to answer any questions
if you have any questions. Council >> woman. >> Didn't we? >> Yes. >> We did. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, with that, Madam Clerk, if you do a roll call. >> Commissioner Burton. >> I. >> Commissioner Moore.
>> I. >> Commissioner Lori. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Dito. >> Nay. >> Myers. >> Hi. Okay. So, approved and adopted on the second reading. Um, now we're going to go to our second and final reading of ordinance 2025-08.
Mr. R. >> 20258. An ordinance to the city of Crescent City, Florida resing approximately 15 plus or minus acres located at 1000 G Avenue, Crescent City, Florida from multif family residential rent MR1 and general commercial C1 to
plan unit development PUD PUD. providing for findings of consistency, providing for amendment to the official zoning map, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, providing for non-lication, and providing forain a motion. >> I move that approve ordinance 125.
>> Okay, we have any discussion. >> Okay, there are additional documents that we are provided. Was this 202507 or why but I'm saying was there anything
in here this 20258 also in here? >> I can clarify the the two staff reports were beside your agenda packets. Um you had seen those before. They were just updated with information from the last
meeting the motion and then >> from the last what? >> The last meeting. >> Okay. what kind of information. So >> it passed 4 to1 in the last meeting >> that was added to the staff reports >> and then same staff report that we had
at the last meeting just with the vote count on the first reading. Correct. >> Yes. And then some edits to the resoning ordinance that's in your agenda packet. You the word unit. So it's just plan development to match the current terms and
then you also have an updated future land use amendment that was with the staff reports that >> okay so there were no changes other than um I guess just technical language to
the ordinance. Yes, they were updated based on the conversation we had at the last meeting. >> But they were technical changes, not substantive changes. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> And the the reasoning ordinance
references the development agreement. That was one of the other changes. >> I'm sorry. The reason >> the resoning ordinance the was updated to mention the development agreement. that they hadn't come to us yet.
>> Correct. That's the the next item is the reasoning. So that ordinance was updated from the last meeting to reference the development agreement which you reviewed also the last meeting. We just needed to specifically reference it in the ordinance and then we changed plan unit development to just plan development
>> which is something because um the city manager mentioned to me that some change in the ordinance addressed a concern that I raised at the last meeting and I believe that that was a
concern I raised that the um ordinance did not reference the development agreement so it does that now. >> Yes. >> Okay. Well, that doesn't that is a good thing. Um but did we did we vote on that? >> That was my next question. Do we need to
vote on development separate ordinance? >> Just to be absolutely clear, the title of the ordinance is unchanged. >> There is a change in the body of the ordinance that specifically references development agreement. That was a that was a the development agreement that was
presented last time and that was a specific concern that commissioner veto mentioned at the last meeting. >> Right. And I guess what I'm saying is um should was that included in the motion or do you consider that a technical
change that we can vote on? >> I would consider that a technical change. The purpose redes we're reszoning to plan development. We want to make sure that the ordinance references the plan development agreement. >> Yes. So thank thank you very much for that.
>> Development agreement has not changed. Good. Okay, there you go. Any other questions? No clarify that. Thank you. >> When are they hoping um to have this completed? >> What's their time? What's the time frame?
>> I mean, >> if you want to You've been sitting in the audience all all day. Come forward. >> Very good. I was gonna show if you guys wanted me to come. >> Absolutely. You've been sitting there the whole time. I had to let me see what can I ask. Go ahead.
>> Okay. Uh so I believe they plan to do it as soon as possible as soon as they get all the permits from the water management district and and you guys as well. Um total construction time should be between four to six months approximately
of course depending on >> once they get everything in place. Okay. >> Okay. And >> there's a 30-day waiting period right after the small scale covers a plan. Yeah. So, so he's talking about the the
physical construction, right? So, so after this the line amendment has to become effective. They'll have to go through a site process which actually they've already started. So, we're attempting to
overlap these things. So, so the the your development re committee right now is reviewing their site plan submitt will be generating comments. This ultimately would go to the planning and zoning commission for approval. They will then have to go through a building
permitting process. So, you know, once that's completed and they have the outside agency permits, St. John's Border Management District, then you'll see the four six month period. So, >> so we still have a ways to go. >> Yeah. Yes. obtaining the permits can be
very I mean you I have no idea how long it's going to take to obtain the permits but we will be trying as possible >> along those lines could I get some clarification from Mr. correct about this permitting process and yada yada yada all those involved.
Okay, so um I notice I think the development agreement number nine says environmental considerations which is great. It says development of property shall comply with land development codes tree preservation requirements. Uh developer shall comply with all rules,
statutes and regulations pertaining to protected wildlife species. Back to the tree preservation requirements. The last time we approved a plan unit development for an RV park, um there was no prior to
site review or any permission there was tree clearing. It's my understanding that a lot should that requires a site plan should not be cleared until the site plan is approved. Would that be >> That would be my understanding as well.
>> Okay. Um, I just wanted to bring that out because it's happened the opposite way around before. >> It's a new project. >> Understood. And you know what what that developer did was illegal. That wasn't authorized by anybody,
>> right? So, but so it should be authorized first and then then the work gets done. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Do you have something? There there are particular clearing permits that you have to obtain before before doing that or you move into the
illegal actions um and and which would result in certain fines and then just sometimes people don't do that. >> Okay. So with that if we have no further comments I'm going to open it up for public comment. Do we have any public any public comment on this?
>> This is for the RV. >> No, not for that one. for this one down here. Yes. >> So, do you have any comment? Anybody have any comments? If not, I'm going to close public comment. And Madam Clerk, if you do a roll call for us, please.
>> Commissioner Devito. >> I. >> Commissioner Lorie >> I. >> Commissioner Warren. >> I. >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Mayor Myers. >> I. Okay. So, approved on the second meeting and adopted. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you all very
much. And Mark, we're not open to anybody wants to leave you. I don't I know they just get out. >> Okay, with this we're going to go ahead and we're going to close our public hearing. We're going to open up our
business items and we had a request if we can take our code enforcement um uh first. So the commission is all in agreement with that. And I think you want to take you want to take Mr. Morris out of
>> your other two later. >> Okay. Okay, that's fine. >> And they're all in agreement with that. >> So we're dealing 205 with Main Street. >> Okay. computer. >> Is this thing
lights back up? back in. Yeah, it should. It's right there. >> We have a little sidebar here. And so I know we're not supposed to, but I started it with complimenting the benefit that Commissioner Mor
and Commissioner Burton with her um special call. >> Burton Bites. I like that. Burton Bes Partnership if they have room on the on the morning uh sales table, right? >> Yeah,
>> there's always Saturday. >> Could happen. Yeah. Very multi-talented commission. >> You can donate. They can make me something. >> Just don't ask me to make it. Good evening.
>> Taylor, code enforcement officer. Are you ready? I guess so. >> Yes. >> This case is on the agenda tonight reduction 205 North Main Street, Crescent City. Violation was chapter 10 section 10-20 duty to the property
owners to keep lots clean. It's a copy of the code says the first hearing was January 24th, 2023 went to the special magistrate on July 29th, 2025.
Administrator cost is $2261. So 876 days of non-compliance shares of the property taken uh February 17th, 2023 and August 9th, 2024.
So I just filter these pictures if that's all right. Okay. Pictures uh taken 721 2025 of the property compliance. This violation is just for the vegetation and the trash that was there. >> Can you clear that building that's not
stored is not on the property? >> The structure. >> It's on the property. >> Yes. And there's a current building permit for that to be restored. >> And that's not the issue on this on this case. It's just the vegetation. >> Okay.
Um, yes, Commissioner Devita, I just I have a question about um I I looked at Morris's um fine lean fine reduction request and the criteria for it. He seems he seems
to say he was not aware that his property was um not in compliance, but he said he wasn't aware the tall grass was the reason for buying um I don't I don't understand. Did he not
get a letter? >> He did. The vegetation in the back was very high. It was like saw grass, right? >> And he didn't think that that was included in the violation. And I spoke to him in my office and explained that to him and he uh immediately
uh had run down, cut it down, removed all the trash that that was in the leaves. >> Okay. >> Upon clarification upon clarification, >> right? >> Clarification. >> Yes. >> Okay. Well, because the there was out of compliance for quite a few days and
frankly, I drive by there all the time. To me, I never noticed any trash or any overgrown vegetation because what I noticed is what we brought to your attention quite a few years ago, which is the building that is is without walls. And
it was my understanding that that was done even though there's a permit now. Wasn't that done without a permit? >> He had permit and he renewed it and it's current. >> Okay. There was a permit issued years ago that expired and he got a new permit
and that permit was valid. I checked with building department last week. Okay. Cuz that I thought that originally the owner of this property was cited for doing the work on the building without a permit. That
>> that's a different case altogether. >> Same property or a different property? >> Same property, different violation. So, this is the overgrown foliage and the garbage. >> Yes. >> Okay. But I guess what I'm trying to ask
is was there ever a case on the the activity without a permit? >> Yes. >> And was a fine paid for that? >> No. >> The fee came the permit. So, there was no fine on that case. >> So, that cleared it. But well, it doesn't seem to make sense
because the building looks in very bad condition, but he has a permit to do construction. >> Mrs. Morris is here. >> I know. So, I'm saying how can you renew those permits indefinitely without doing the work
>> before us? I mean, we have to be careful, but that's not what's before us. >> Got it. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Mayor Pam is um with this has Mr. Morris been the owner the entire the entire time back to 01 he
was >> Yes. 2023. Yes. >> Okay. 2023. Okay. >> That's when he became the owner or is that from when you decided on this? >> No, I won't. He's on it. >> I guess maybe if necessary Mr. Morris
could tell us that. Um >> and this went before the special magistrate and his recommendation was reduction of the lean to administrative costs. Is that option
2261 $100 plus the administrator? So there it is. >> Okay. The special magistrate suggested to reduce the lean to $100 and collect
the administrative cost of $2261, which would be a total of $3261. >> And Mr. Morris is here. You would like to speak. Okay. Mr. Morris, would you like to would you like to speak? You're welcome to speak. >> No, I mean, I'm just trying to get it
settled and get it done. >> Okay. >> Miss Pam. >> Okay. And Mr. Morris is in agreement with this 32601. >> Yes. >> Okay. And do we have a time period >> in which that should be paid?
>> 10 days. >> Well, give allow yourself. Yeah. >> So, normally your motion if you choose to make one um in my opinion should be that the fine be reduced. The recommendation of the
special magistrate be accepted. The fine be reduced to $100 and administrative costs of $22601 be imposed for a total of 32601 if paid within blank days. If not, the fine would revert back to the
original fine amount. >> Thank you. And that's why I'm trying to get the days that we >> um So, don't usually 30 days. >> It depends. So if it's I mean if it's acceptable >> yes if it's acceptable >> which he gave a shorter period. So, if
somebody wants to motion, >> I I move that we reduce the fine on 205 North Main Street to the $100 that is recommended by the special magistrate to
include also the administrative cost of $2261 for 32601 to be paid in 30 days. >> 30 days. >> Yes. from today's date. If it's not paid, then the line it would
refer to the original. >> Is that correct? >> Yes. >> I'll second that. >> So, we have a proper motion and a second. Mr. Morris, are you are in agreement with this? >> Yes, we are. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Um, do we have any other discussion? Any other
comments? My my only comment is that it seems like this was outstanding for quite a long time, but um our code officer seems to feel that the communication took place,
you know, was sufficient. Um I just I just think it was let go a little long, but it's water and compliance, right? It's done. Okay. Okay. So with that, Madam Clerk, I'm
gonna ask you to do a roll call for us, please. >> Commissioner Burton, >> I. >> Commissioner Moore, >> I. >> Commissioner Lori, >> I. >> Commissioner Devito, >> I Myers, >> I. >> Okay. So approved. Thank you, Mr. Mo, for your patience.
Um, and >> thank you. >> Welcome property. >> Wait for the >> um We can go ahead. No, no, we're going to do all of yours right now. Oh, you're you're good, Mr. Morris. Thank you. And >> get home.
>> And you know where to come to see pay when it's time to for the payment, correct? >> Okay. >> It did get hot. I thought it was me. >> Oh yeah. >> I'm still cold. You ready?
This case, excuse me. It's on the agenda tonight for lean reduction at 708 Avenue present city violation is chapter 10 section 10-20 duty duty of the property owners to
maintain the lots copy of the code this first hearing was on July 27th 2021 and the property was owned by Elise Pacley Kylie Hall and Michael Robinson
purchased the property last October of 2024 was 1,398 days of non-compliance at $25 a day comes to $34,950. administrative cost was $248.90 and the property is currently in
compliance. These are two pictures that I took. Um, one on the right was taken January 29th, 2024. One on the left was taken April 15th, 2024.
Is that the same? >> Okay. >> Yeah. Was the building? >> Okay. >> They renovated it. That's it. They renovated the property. Yeah. Cuz I'm like, there's not there either.
Okay. Photo on the right was taken January 26, 2025. Propy's in compliance. The photo on the right I just used as a comparison. You can see it's been cleaned up and maintained and renovated.
Um, this is another picture taken January 21st, 2025. This property was sold as a tax deed sale. I notified the person that bought it that there was a
code enforcement lean on the property. The city received $5,000 from the tax deeds back in 2023. He sold the property to someone else. That person is person
that fixed renovated the property and then sold it to Miss Hall and Michael Robinson. So, they're here today. I sent them a letter notifying them that there was a lean on the property because obviously I I thought that they weren't aware, which
they weren't. Um, so they brought the property in compliance. It was minor things at that point. Um there were two tree logs that were in the on the property. They removed those and brought the property into compliance. So they're
here today asking you to uh reduce the the leaning and the special magistrate. I don't know what happened to this. >> He said accepted 5,000 RA received plus the 248.90 in administrative. >> Right. The special master district
recommended that just to collect the 2,48. >> Yeah. 248 >> $248.90 since the city has already collected $5,000 for this property. >> Okay. And then this would give them clear title, correct?
>> Correct. On this property. >> Yes. And they are here if you have questions for them. May I have a question for sure. >> So the $5,000 in tax deed sale proceeds,
was that for the outstanding lean or was that for back taxes? >> That was for the lean. >> That was for the code. >> Yes. It didn't satisfy the lean and the property was not in compliance at that time. >> Pardon? >> Property was not in compliance at that
time. When we when the city received the $5,000, the property was not in compliance. >> Right. But were we also owed funds for unpaid taxes? >> No. That goes to the county. >> That all goes to the county.
>> Yes. This is when they sell a tax deed, they sell it for whatever people bid for it on it. And once the taxes are paid, then the land holders can claim of the excess that's left over.
>> Okay. So that was our code. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. >> Don, >> you good? You looked >> I'm good. >> No, she she explained it. >> Okay. >> Then so this is not an owner occupied property. >> Excuse me.
>> This is not an owner occupied property. >> Yes, it is. >> It is. this all those okay um are we ready for a motion we'll entertain a motion >> okay um I move on that on case number
20-129-C um that we accept the code enforcement special magistrate recommendation that the fine be released and collect the administrative cost of $248 90 cents
um to hopefully be paid within 30 days. >> I'll second that. >> Not well still 24890. I would follow sorry I would like to amend my motion
and I guess say that if not if the administrative cost is not paid within the 30 days that the original fine um code name be reinstated second that so we have a proper motion
and a second um Mr. Robinson in this hall. Is that acceptable to you? Would you like to speak? You're welcome to come forward, please. >> I would just ask that it be noted that a lean release be filed into the county records once the fine is paid.
>> I can't say he would have clear title. >> Well, we can't guarantee he's going to have clear title. You're right. >> He must not have done a title search. he would have found our lean when he bought the property after the taxes. >> Well, that was a title company screw-
up, but it is better off to pay $250 and just end it today versus having to deal with title insurance, folks. No doubt about it. >> So, that's why we're just makes sense to me. >> We do appreciate the property compiance.
It looks much improved >> and that that's really the goal is to make the city better, not to punish people. May I say something? >> Once the the $248.90 is paid
to copy. >> Excellent. >> Okay. Do >> we have any other discussion? If none um mad cler, please. >> Commissioner Devito. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Lorie. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Warren. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Mayor Myers.
>> Hi. Okay. So approved. >> Thank you. Pam, while you are um here, and I know this is not on there, but we have a house right over here. Um and I know it did go before the magistrate, and they
continue to add um it's it's it's piling up over there. And every night there's more and more stuff. And they've gone they've even gone over into the neighbor's yard who is at the vacant house right now, but they've gone over into the Is that still before the
magistrate? >> I took it to the special magistrate in May and he um gave us a fine saying that $50 per day starting I don't remember
>> September 23rd. No, >> the case was continued until September 23rd to allow the city to provide legal basis for increasing an existing funding. What does that mean? >> I had I I'll explain that.
And we took him in we took the property to the special magistrate in May. Got an order. I wanted to ask the special magistrate to increase the fine amount in July and he said the Florida statutes did not allow
for that. If it's in compliance and then it's repeated afterwards then you can ask for an increased fine but as long as the current fine is still in place and the violation still exists you cannot increase the fine.
So, he wanted me to uh consult with legal counsel at the city. Um, but I I took a class last week, week before, talked by the attorney in Daytona and he brought that up that you cannot do that.
So, >> what is the daily fine on it right now? Are they So, I I I would assume at this point it's it's got a fine on it. Correct. >> This isn't an agenda item, right? No, it's not. No, we're not. >> So, yeah, right. That no action can be
taken unless you're going to bring it up as an emergency item and you haven't given notice to the property owner. So, all of that's a problem. >> Okay. >> We won't talk about it, but thank you, Don, for bringing that to our attention. It's just on a sheet here and that's why we don't know. I mean, it's
>> I didn't know. >> He wanted me to bring it back in September, but I notified him that that's not >> so I am aware of the stuff. saying we can't talk about it. >> But I tell you, you can >> No, it's not. And that was mine. I I
brought it up. So, no, I withdraw my question, >> right? And then I mean, y'all can get clarification from our code officer separately offline agenda >> and we can move on with the agenda, right? >> So, let's go on to your third one, which is the dumpster moratory.
>> Okay. >> I have a different PowerPoint than that. I've never seen so many pictures of dumpsters in my life. >> What is what is a dumpster moratorum? Just we discussed last year.
>> Okay. Sorry. I was just going to say if you will listen we will explain all that to you. In the meantime, but we go ahead. You can explain it to us. Sorry. >> Last year uh Mr. brought to our attention that we had not been enforcing
our dumpster enclosure rules according to our land own code. Um, and at the time there was quite a few in the city that did not have dumpster enclosures. Um, and instead of further discussing her grandfather, we decided to put
moratorium on any action for a year and that year has now passed a lot. What we talked about is because and and really it's because of its cost the cost that it was going to impose on all these business owners in doing so
because at that time I know I went through and I counted how many came 22 and now you have what 23. >> Yes. And I found another one. >> Okay. So they just keep popping up. It's you think you have them all and there's another one. So we were very concerned
about the cost and what that was going to do to business owners because it had not been enforced. >> Right. Apparently never has and one another business owner came to the meeting. >> Yes. >> And spoke about that and some of it some
of us looked up the cost. It's it's pricey. So, >> you know, mo most of the pictures that I saw, which are many, 23, I guess, uh the dumpsters actually look pretty pretty good. I mean, the worst dumpster that I
see every time I drive here in the city is the one right behind our building back here because it is enclosed and when it's open, it's a mess. Okay? So, so um and I'm serious when I say that. >> And it's not our mess. Everybody in the
community thinks that they they dump in there because you look in there in the garbage and it's not anything that came from the city. >> I I'm just saying though there's diapers and mattresses and all. >> That's a good point you bring it up. When you put the enclosure there, you basically add a concealment element to it. Yes.
>> And and that's what I was going to say, you know, you put you put that on and then, you know, after I don't know, six months, like anything that's built by wood with wood up here in in Florida anywhere, you it starts to sag and it and it just it looks like hell.
>> So, how about the the practicality of your your collection folks having to open a door on an enclosure to get to the dumpster? >> It's typical practice. >> It is. >> Typical practice where? >> Everywhere. Not in black. It's not there
not any dumpster enclosure rule in black. >> So, well, we we have a rule, but as you can see when you go through the picture, you won't see any. >> So, you might have already address >> I do want to add one thing. um
commission commissioners if if it is uh something that's vote on by the committee or commission um I'm pretty sure that the CRA funds in these areas could be utilized to pay for some fencing in some of the areas that are more >> blighted
we have estimates and it was upwards of 4,000 per almost $100,000 I mean if you did every single one >> I said per I didn't say I didn't say no total total per
>> right and maybe it's something that we look at in phases >> they have to please >> these three are Dixie >> one correct >> the one at China. Now that's the one
that's that has a >> that's a mess. But that's closed now, ain't it? They're still >> rice that good. This is the same a lot in the
community pharmacy and doctor's office doctors dayare general >> and some of those I mean when you look at the dumpster the other thing everyone think some of these dumpsters look
pretty bad but it's not the businesses this is what wast has provided so we have to take that into consideration Yeah, one is >> that one's back behind the uh the government building I think.
>> Yeah, >> I think >> that was a noise and problem and they're they're they're looking to take care of doing doing away with it or doing something >> because it's really not used by the building itself by it's a neighborhood. >> Um I have a question about that one. It
was Can we go back to the government? It says Okay. It says and Parker House. Do they Do you Did you label it that way because they share a dumpster? >> No, just to identify it. >> Okay. So, that's >> the county the county pays for it. >> Okay. So, that's the county dumpster
because it's a little >> I thought maybe the county pays for it. >> Okay. Because I thought you were saying maybe that was jointly maintained by Parker House, but that's the government, >> right? >> I just did that for geographic, you
know. Okay, that's geography ownership. >> So before us, so before us is you're bringing to us that we've the year has passed and now we and we have a moratorum. >> Correct. >> And so we need to determine whether or not we want to extend our moratorum.
>> Correct. >> Or we get rid of it. >> What we got to do to get rid of that down the road here or what? Another thing for you all to consider is possibly for new construction requiring them through our
code to have proper enclosures whether they're built out of block wood fence or otherwise chain link fence with slats privacy slats chain fence is not allowed under our code. >> Okay. Okay. It said that it has to be blocked or wood. Our decorative pre-cast
concrete walls where a solid durable fencing material with opaque case capable of being securely latched material with slats is prohibited. >> Okay. >> Um and I believe all of our new construction Autozone, O'Reillies,
McDonald's, they all have. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um there are a few um the green writing has an enclosure but >> I think sometimes not anybody can just get around you and toss things in there
and you know they can't just open the thing and but anyway >> okay so >> okay so if I I think what we should do is extend our moratorum and work on
amending our ordinance to um if if it's allowed to grandfather in those existing dumpsters. The only thing I would like to keep is that um and it might be a separate section of the code is that the dumpster area be
kept clean of debris around the dumpster because I I think that's important and reasonable. >> Okay. Do you want to appeal or make a motion? >> Sure. Um, and what just the sense of the commission and staff, how long do you
think we should reasonably allow ourselves to um, come up with a new ordinance? Would you say six months? >> I was going to say it's probably six months. >> Six does six months sound good? Okay. >> Commissioner, you agreement six months?
>> Okay. >> May I add something? >> Yes. Um, I think it's also, um, important for us to realize that I mean, and you spoke to this, some of the dumpsters look okay. They look sort of new and some of them are in really bad shape. I know that the business owners pay for that service, but maybe we work
with them to get ways to replace those with better, newer materials. >> Okay. And that's something I think as we go forward with this, we could probably gonna have to do like a a short workshop on this. >> Yes. >> To discuss. Yes. Um, I think it's a
valid point to just add to the conversation that um, when Pam cited the China for their dumpster, they called out other restaurants, >> including that we have here. And Patrick, the
general manager, cleans their store every day or every week. Um, >> yeah. Keep it washed out. And I never noticed any smells from it or anything like that. But there are some that are very poor shape. >> And I mean we have growth fish tank or
growth present fish which obviously is a new building or new business. Um not new construction but as they expand with this expansion um we need to decide are we going to make them put new closure around it. um which as the our code
reads out would be required >> um if they get a new building permit. Correct. >> Yeah. So >> So I'm just going to add I'm going to say it one more time and I won't say it again. You may you can travel with Waste Pro for your collection. Mhm.
>> I'm going to suggest again that as part of your workshop, you talk to Wastist Pro because Wastist Pro is running with as few personnel on their trucks as they can run because of costs, >> right? And um if they have to have somebody get out of that truck, you may
think this sounds funny, but having dealt with the uh collection folks at the city, I will tell you that if they have to have a guy on a front loader get out of his truck to open a gate to access a dumpster and then deal with the issues, the additional issues of making
certain that when he dumps that dumpster and puts it back in that enclosure, he gets it fully in the enclosure and doesn't knock your walls down. uh waste pro may tell you that your cost is going up. So I'm I'm just simply suggesting that you talk to them as part of your workshop.
>> Depends on our fence back here which is >> always the gate is always >> won. Something's happened to it. Yeah. >> How many enclosures are there currently that we have? How many dumpsters do have enclosures in the city?
>> Say a dozen probably. >> Okay. and they're fully enclosed gates. >> Yes. >> I think as we workshop this too, I mean there's certain things we can do like, you know, we can require them that they they have to keep the lids on it. It has to be, you know, it has to be a litted
dumpster that they have to keep the lids down. You know, that right there takes care of some of that, especially with the vultures because we have issues with that with the vultures, keeping keeping debris cleaned up around, you know, the outside of it. So there's other things that we can do just to make sure and
like Mr. Holmes said in working with Waste Pro to make sure that they're providing us too with a dumpster that >> and then figure out what you're going what you're going to do for enforcement because a code violation is not going to do you much good. You're going to have
to go in front of a a magistrate. You're going to have to provide for a citation mechanism which then you're going to provide for your due process and so forth and so on. So yeah, it's all it all leads to something. Go ahead and finish your motion, please.
>> I do. So I move that we um extend our um moratorum on enforcement of um the code requirement for dumpster enclosures for another six months from today's date
to give us an opportunity um to modify our ordinance or take such other action as we see fit. >> Okay, we have a second. >> I'll second that. that we include scheduling a workshop to the motion is that
>> well I mean we can schedule I'm assuming we're going to schedule >> I just I do you want to >> do would you want to amend your commissioner >> and to include >> yes I would like to amend it that we
include a workshop on a timely basis so that we can take action with those six months. >> Okay. >> We have a proper motion in a second. >> We have any other discussion, Commissioner Burton? >> No. >> Okay. We have any public comment on this? Yes.
>> I just wanted to observe um there's been quite a bit of criticism of China walk. I think in um our code officer's report, she mentions that when China walk was cited, they went around and noted all the other people without a um an
enclosure. But I mean that's pretty normal when someone is cited for something that others are not cited for. >> That's that's true. >> That's usually what people do. They want to know why are they being singled out? And that was the question I you know I I
don't think that's really a fair criticism to make saying that the person who was cited brought to our attention that we weren't enforcing the code anyway. I mean >> but they did. No, I mean I think regardless of who it was that it was brought to our attention by a violator
as well you have to say it doesn't have to be specific to China was brought to our attention by a violator, >> right? But that's kind of all you know that was that was our fault. >> I did that for history in case you know we have new commissioner new city
manager >> but to let us know how it came about. >> Yeah, correct. >> Okay. Because Okay. sounded a bit like a criticism, but that is that is how it came about. And um the other thing is I would say I I really I said before that
I think we should pay attention to cleanliness and I thought the mayor had a lot of good suggestions and hopefully we'll bring those all up. >> I absolutely will. >> Okay. Do we have any public comment on this? Anybody want to speak to it? Okay.
See nobody come forward. Um, >> clerk. >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Lori. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Devito. >> Hi, Mayor. >> Myers, >> I may thank our code officer for her
excellent report. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> So, then we're going to go back to number one um on business items, which is a FEMA decision and approval. Mr. Martin, I'm going to turn it over to you, please.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Um, so you'll see a note on your list of waiting on email confirmation. I did have conversations with our um rep from FEMA, Tommy Edwards. She did provide that email. I gave it to you all in the supplemental um handout. Um, if you read the email,
I'm not sure if you had gotten into it, it it basically gives us a green light to move forward with our DOC project. My biggest concern was us moving forward. I know we've had this discussion. Um we paid $2,000 in order to get the uh the main dock at the Three Bananas fixed for
Red, White, and Boom. And so um and I'm sorry I referenced Three Bananas, but it is the it's the main city dock. That's Yes, said Robin. And so um and I apologize, the contractor actually wrote it out as as that three bananas, too, which I also gave you all um his quotes
to complete the work. Um but right now as it stands um FEMA had did a study or or review of the damage came down they took their own photos as you can see on the um on the DHS federal emergency
management or emergency agency um document they provided um they give you a cost range of what it would be for the damage done to the Crescent City dock and the Fletcher Park dock. Um the cost that they came up to was around
$18,59630. The federal share 75% would be 13,947. Um the issue is is that right now uh if we were to fix the main dock and Fletcher Park dock, that cost to us
would be around $31,000. Um that's a difference of $17,52. I was told from the FEMA representative, which also states in their email, that we basically would um go after um a reassessment at that time and provide
them photos of the finished work and a detailed invoice from the contractor and they would review it and up to they would replace up to $75,000 cost. So, there still would be a cost out of our pocket. Um but they would take care of
of of a large portion of the cost. I'm asking um I'm asking this commission to give us permission to move uh funds that were not used in the better place plan this year to pay for those docs and to move forward with getting those
completed. >> Could we not use the carryover funds that we have that we will be putting into budget to use? Well, we're going to be bringing that up in a meeting to discuss uh our amended
uh budget um in September and so we we can after that's voted on to to amend the budget. We can definitely look at that. Steve, would you like to speak to that at all? I mean, we have the funds to do this
>> in both spots. So, it it's up to this commission. >> And obviously, that's part of this. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. >> So, you're basically looking to get about 19k, right, to do these jobs. >> 75% of 31,000 is what I'm looking to get
back on to get back, but you you got to put out the the 19k, right? And then you'll get back 75% of that. Correct. >> Right now, they are saying they're going to give us back $13,000. the entire cost
for all of the work is around $31,000. Now, I also want to be clear on this. I also >> So, how do you jump from 19 to 31,000 now all of a sudden? >> Well, the main dock um which consists of
the 40T x5 dock alongside the boat ramp and also the main pier. That work in itself is $11,000. We've already paid $2,000. It would have been 13,000 originally and that is just on central the work at Fletcher Park is going to
range and and again the contractor when he gave us his uh proposal gave us a price for a 30x 20 platform and a 40x20 platform. My cost includes the 20 I'm sorry the 40x 20 platform because it's the higher his cost will range between
15 and 20,000. He didn't actually go out and measure because there was damage and he couldn't go out there. So, he took historical information on >> Does he have a boat? >> He does have a boat. He has a Yes, ma'am. >> I just thought I'd ask. Um, but I'm just
trying to figure out, you know, what what are you asking for exactly? I I'm as I'm asking to move forward with either better place funds or carryover, but I need permission with you all knowing that we will be reimbursed from
FEMA up to 75% of the cost. >> And you're saying the cost right now is about 30K. >> About 30K. Yes, ma'am. And so the differential is about $17,000 um for >> us to say okay to 30K. >> Yes, ma'am. And >> we're going to take that that's what
we're taking out of better place or or carry over a question. Let me make sure she's done. Are you done? >> Okay. Commissioner Dita. >> Okay. So, when you're saying um either
out of carryover funds or replacement funds, when would this work start and when would we actually be called upon to pay for it? Do we make a deposit with the contractor or anything like that? This contractor wants a 50% deposit up front and then the remainder at the
finalization of this project and once we of course inspect it. Um I will tell you I spoke with him today just to get some clarity on his contract and he did say he is um about 30 to 60 days out from being able to start the work.
>> Okay. So if we make a motion to approve this in the alternative um we will we will be meeting and um we will we will be meeting on the budget before he actually starts work. Would
that not be enough by >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. So that's my suggestion is that we designate one or the other of those funds. But um and then we do have the realization FEMA has what tentatively
they tenatively approved 13,947. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. And so we pretty much can count on that. We can't necessarily count on the other what $14,000. That would be about I don't know how
much more would we need to bring it up to the 75% of 30,000. >> Well, the the total cost, >> right? >> Total cost because again the 75% is only based on their uh share of cost on their >> So I'm saying they've said they would pay for sure they've approved 139.
>> Correct. >> And if we say go ahead with the work, you said you can request a reassessment. We could get it or maybe we won't. We have a $17,00052 difference. Is that correct? >> That is correct. >> Right now could be in jeopardy that we
would have to pick up and there might not be a reimbursement. We're hoping that there would be. We do know the 13,000. Is that correct? >> That is correct. And I will say I go back to Tanya's email. Tanya is um uh our associate at FEMA. The email says to
that this that the FEMA state are reimburseable projects and you can start work and receive reimbursement if you stay within the mutual decided scope of work. Um if it goes over if it goes over there is a mechanism to report to them and they will reimburse higher than what
they >> as long as we stay within. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Now the other question it seems to me that you're asking us is do we want to go with the um 40 by5? No. No. I'm sorry. If we want to go with
the 40 by 20 or the 30 by 20 with a $5,000 difference in price. >> Before we do that, um the price that I put in here that I'm telling you all is the higher of the two. I can tell you it's going to fall in between both of those. I will get a firm finalized quote
before we move forward. And it's going to be >> tonight if we need if we approve it tonight, we need to say up to >> up up to $31,000 total. >> Okay. Mayor, I have a question. So the the higher amount is that within the
FEMA approved scope of work >> the higher amount as far as the debt work, >> right? >> But the higher amount is only the platform. He couldn't physically measure it. So he gave us a worst case scenario and a best case scenario. The 30 by 20
is the best case scenario. >> The platform that FEMA's that FEMA is acknowledging >> the they're either one. It's it they're acknowledging the work that needs to be replaced. If you go back to their quote, they show where the damage was done to
Fletcher Park. Um they they talk about the dead boards and linear feet. They give all of that. Um they even give middle boards, the range there, and the and then they talk about the wash out, which was a different item under the what we decided not to do for >> So, did they give a size? Did they give
a size there? As far as if there's not a size, >> they they did not give a size. you have to stay within that if that's if that's the case. >> They they they gave they did not give a size specific to to the landing. >> Okay. >> And and I'm thinking they didn't because
they couldn't get out there, >> right? >> And also and since the fudge park got restrooms that was damaged to the roof that >> I I believe that those funds are going to be uh here at the city within a few
weeks. I know that I signed some some paperwork on the grants website um to uh or FEMA's website to get those released. >> Okay. So, that has that work. >> I would have to get I would I would have to get with Keith on on that. >> I was just wondering because that was included in here.
>> And actually, Christina, has has has the bathroom um roof been repaired at Fletcher Park already? It has. Okay. So, sorry. Yes, it has. >> Denver kind of sends money for that. >> Yes, money is on its way. >> Um
check in the mail. Yeah. >> Now it says to place wooden deck boards on the deck boards linear feet. >> Is that um where where are they? They they say middle boards north side. So it's the
middle boards and then it talks about replace wooden deck boards. Are they talking about the deck? >> They are talking about parts of the deck >> because that deck it says 37.5 linear feet. When when I received this and went over it the first time with Tanya on the phone, I told her that this was a very
long u you know deck uh and that she needed to relook at the numbers. She said this was what the what the assessors came back with when they came out to visit. Um and I asked her said our cost is coming in significantly higher than what you've
assessed. and she said as long as the work is uh in the envelope of replacing the actual uh wood in place that they would they would reimburse. >> Okay. >> Um I would recommend too that you look
at the prior um prepare that went before FEMA that if someone was to from a historical standpoint to make sure that those numbers all if they have any measurements that they line up. >> Okay. Um now this does not include
uh lifting that and we all know that initially this is going to be lifted so this needs to be lifted that would be on us and you believe that would be how much? >> Uh it would be an additional around $10,000 additional cost. >> Is there on top of that? Yes,
>> there could be grants though that >> there is we we have talked to FDM and the state representative said that that would almost be a shoe for a grant to get that done. Now, I did talk to the contractor. Even though he, let's say, he replaced everything u the new pilots,
he would be able to retrofit everything that that he puts in so he wouldn't have to do a double costing. >> So, he would be able to lift. >> That's right. He would be able to lift and utilize everything that's new again. >> Okay. >> Mayor, I would like to make a motion for a motion.
>> Yep. Okay. >> So, I move that we authorize our city manager to move forward with dock repairs to the um main city dock um at the base of Central Avenue on Lake
Crescent and Fletcher Park dock in um to extend an amount up to is it 30 or 31? $31,000 >> up to $31,000. Um provided that the contract specify um
that the work has to be done um only within the scope approved by FEMA um and that we take the funds either from carryover or better place plan um
to be determined um when we finalize our budget. Okay. Do we have a second if we need to decide on that source of funds now and not leave it to wait? >> Well, I think you know I think what if
if that's the case and this motion's going to die for lack of a second, then we need to bring Steve here and Steve needs to recommend to us as our finance director and our city manager. Where is it better to take this out of given where we are currently? Is it better to take it out of better place or is it better to take it out of general fund?
>> I would feel more comfortable taking it out of better place. >> That's what it's for. >> And Steve, >> I agree with that. >> So, >> okay. But on top of that, you also want you also want to spend an extra 10K to lift it up. Correct.
>> And that that's on us. >> I mean, we don't get any money back for that, >> right? And none at this time. and it would be on us, but we would also work with FM to get reimbursed for that that work as well. >> So, what you're saying is they're going to go through and they're gonna fix everything
>> and then we're going to come back what >> I don't know, man. And lift it. >> Yes. So, we were in a in a a meeting with FDA and um and FEMA at the same time. And so the questions were brought up how um how the work would take place and and how it would be phased and when
we could get funds they f did say that we would have to replace it first get the funds reimbured from FEMA and then we could lift and go after a grant with them separate but the work had to be completed >> if we go outside the scope currently then that could jeopardize the money
>> if we did it right now. >> Yes. It would jeopardize getting money back from FEMA. >> Yeah. But but is is isn't it going to cost you when you say 10k? Okay. Now you can lift the deck. >> Okay. What do you just 10k for the polls? Is that it? I mean you got a
whole lot of work to do to lift that deck. >> Yes. And he actually has it if you go to his costing and he talks about it in job two and three. Um replacing all the old pilings with longer piles. 2 and 1/2 in uh or two 2.5 treated eight 8 in butts
approximately 240 hours. That's at $9 $9,900. That's going to be that is for lifting it. Um I I don't see where that is. I'm sure >> it's right in the middle. It says job number two. Replace old pilings with new longer pilings. >> The quote from $9,900. The last this
last page keep Florida. And so I I was I asked him the next one is lift dock 1 foot to one and a half ft. You can see the 8750. I had asked him for a clarity between the two line items and he said that he said that was
a breakout that Keith had asked for but if we were to lift the dock it would be around $10,000 and he'll give us a different quote for that. >> Okay. So mayor could as I understand it we have to if we're going to do the pledge of park talk it has to be in two
steps. first the FEMA approved repair then if we want to lift it. So when we do the first step we are taking a risk that a storm could come this fall and could wipe it out again before we even get it lifted and then but so that's a risk it
could happen. Um and then my next question is the um Florida Department of Emergency Management FDM um I guess mitigation grant that would happen um for the lifting is that the reimbursement grant? >> Yes, it is.
>> Okay. So it's also >> Okay. >> All right. Well and so your first motion failed. I did say that it failed for somebody else. >> So somebody wants to make another motion. I move that we authorize the city manager to go forward with the
change of Central Avenue dock and the Fletcher Park dock um at a cost not to exceed $31,000 and to use the better place funds as the source of income. >> I'll second that. Okay. And what about um the scope of work being limited?
>> I think understands that I don't think it needs to be included in the motion. >> Okay. And and when when FEMA tells me that and they send an email, that basically just means you can't create a cabana over top of the existing dock. It has to be what was there before. And
>> that's why I said also please look back on history. >> Yes. Before. >> Yes, ma'am. >> History as far as when we have had other repairs. >> Okay. We have the proper motion in a second. Do we have any further discussion? >> I just think we need to get this done.
Well, >> we do. We do, but we also have a fiduciary responsibility. And that's what we've been saying all along. We want to repair it, >> but it's it's taxpayers money, and if we have the ability to get it reimbured, we needed to wait on FEMA. Um, Madame Clerk, if you would please do a roll
call. >> Okay. >> Can we have public comment, Mayor? >> Huh? >> Public comment? >> Um, I do. We have any public comment? >> Yes. >> Okay. Please come forward. >> Yes, we do. Dian s Crescent city and since we
rebranded ourselves as life between the lakes it would be a real shame that we have a doctor that's why we're going to fix them. >> Okay madam is there any other comments that anyone would like to make at this time? If not
close public comment please do the roll call. Commissioner Burton. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Lorie. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Devito. >> Hi, >> Comm. >> I Okay, so approved. Thank you. >> Thank you, ma'am. Next line of business is the sheriff's office. We've already
discussed that, so we're going to take that and and uh remove that. Um number three is move budget meeting from September 11th, 2025 to September 10th, 2025. Um I'm asking for permission for that u due in lie of a September 11th um
having a conflict as the county appraiser brought this to staff's attention. >> That is our actual commission meeting. We need to Yes, we need to make that clear is that that's actual our monthly commission meeting. >> I have one question. Why are we asking
the county appraiser to come back to this meeting? >> We're not asking the county appraiser. What the county appraiser is telling us is that we have two other taxing authorities that have a conflict and we can't all approve it on the same day because you have to allow it's a public hearing and we have to allow the public
who might want to go to the county and who might want to go to the county or they might want to go to the school district. So the three of us have to coordinate those dates so that we're not heard on the same day. Unfortunately, they got their dates before we got our dates.
I understand how that happens. I looked up the trim notices for last year which I did not realize that would have answered all our questions about the roll back. >> Um I looked last year I brought a copy of it. That's >> they're asking us to change our regular
meeting date. >> The that's not the county's regular meeting date. They obviously just chose to meet. The county is not meeting on September on September 11th. The school district is meeting on September 11th. >> Does that their regular meeting date in
the evening? I guess they're I don't know why they chose it and why ours does not have >> Well, we have an option. Have an option. >> We can have our regular schedule meeting on the 11th and then we can also meet on the 10th to go over our budget or we can
move everything to the 10th. >> Right. I guess um what really bothers me about this um first of all it's not budget amendment it's our budget ordinance. >> Okay. So you said it's the regular meeting but it's the issue is budget
ordinance. I feel very uncomfortable that people are being called to come to our hearing on the budget ordinance on a Wednesday um when the regular meeting they're used to hearing it at the
regular meeting. So, um I guess to me I would prefer to see us keep our regular meeting date and hear the budget hearing on Wednesday unless people think that's just too inconvenient. >> Well, you already just said you would hate for people to come out on Wednesday
to hear the budget, >> right? >> And so we have no other I mean that's our option. So if you're going to do that, you're not accomplishing what you just said you wanted to accomplish. Well, I am afraid that we can't play chicken with the date that we're out of time because the
>> the trim notices are going out very shortly. So, I I don't know why um I don't know why it happened this way. I don't want to see it happen this way again. It's our regular meeting and other people choose that for their budget hearing, >> but they do get choice.
>> Okay. Okay. So, I want to make a motion to go ahead and move the commission meeting from uh September 11th to September 10th. >> Okay. At this >> at the regular schedule? >> Yes. At the regular schedule time of 6
p.m. >> We have a proper motion in a second. Do we have any other discussion? Do we have any public comment on this? Seeing no one come forward. All in favor? Um, I'm going to have Madam Clerk, if you would please do a roll
call just because this involves our budget. >> Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Debito, >> I. >> Commissioner Lory, >> I. >> Commissioner Moore, >> I. >> Commissioner Burton, >> I Myers, >> I. >> Okay. So, approved, >> right? And the date. >> I I do think there should be an
understanding among staff that the meeting dates are set in our charter and that the commission is the one who has to approve of. Our meeting date is not set in our charter that we have to meet in the chart. There's no setart. Our regular meeting schedule >> just like today we're meeting on a
Thursday. We're meeting on a Tuesday and we >> the commission changed it. >> Yes. >> Right. So, >> pardon staff >> because we received a notice that our meeting had been changed. >> Okay.
>> No, they we received a notice. >> Mr. Martin, didn't we receive a notice that that our meeting that was in conflict? >> Yes, we received the phone call. >> Yeah, received the phone call that our meeting was in conflict. >> Well, I thought I got a meeting I got an email from staff that said our meeting
date is here changed. >> It didn't say we're going to vote on it. It said it's been changed. That's right. >> You just made notice to everybody that it was >> that we were changing it.
>> Well, we knew we had to vote on it, >> right? >> Okay. So, that was done incorrectly. So, in the future, we all remember that we have to vote on any date changes. >> Correct. >> So, let's go to number four, budget amendment.
>> So, this is our schedule. um if there's any changes, but I wanted to let you all know the first reading will occur September 10th. This is for the public. Uh 2025, that's our regular monthly commission meeting. And uh second reading shall occur on September 25th, 2025 at a special meeting.
>> Are there any times that are a little different for for this or >> it's our regularly scheduled 6:00? >> Okay. On both days. Okay. >> I'll leave a motion to go ahead and uh do this. What commission?
>> I don't know. I thought we set these dates already. >> This is more for information for the public. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, this is just our for the >> he's making note that that that will also be on the 10th >> notice
>> and 25 and so there will be a notice out. Correct. >> And again for the second reading prior to adoption. Um, it's in our charter and it's in the statute. You have to have those 10 days between the first and the second meeting. >> Exactly. >> Okay. I like that. Perfect.
>> So, let's move on to number six. We've already done code enforcement. >> So, as you all know, over the weekend, I got a phone call um from the fire chief that the compressor went out. Um, the air compressor is a vital piece of equipment that's utilized to pressurize
the the fire apparatus. Um without it um the time increases uh for response but 30 seconds to a minute and you all know that uh in a major event such as a heart attack or stroke 30 seconds or a minute is a life. Um I went ahead and tasked
public works um working with local business in Napa who had a deal. Um you all know we're going through budget season. Original prices that we were looking at was around $7,500 for an air compressor. um that was quoted from our
our fire chief. Um we ended up being able to get the same um the same specification air compressor that would work uh for $1,600 and it was an emergency um uh purchase, I would say. We haven't actually purchased it yet.
>> Um >> but we have obtained the the equipment. We have not paid for >> and it is installed and working as of Sunday. We we had it 12 hours was what we were down. >> Okay. So, um I would like to move that
we um approve the purchase of the fire department air compressor. Um it was from NA Auto Parts, right? >> Yes, ma'am. from Nepo Auto Auto Parts for in the price of $1,600
from Better Place funds. Second, >> so we have what's amended on. >> Is this the compressor they use to refill their air packs? >> The SBA I I believe that, but it's mainly for the equipment. It's for the
brakes. for the brakes, the air compressed brakes and and the fire apparatuses, but it is for their SP SPCAS for that as well. >> So, those compressors require special they're specialized compressors that
they're air compressors like a scuba tank compressor. You can't just use any compressors. All I was making sure of is that whatever specs you got are suitable for the use that we're talking about. The fire chief has reviewed it and it is
good. Yes. >> And that thing has been making a lot of noise for a while. >> It's been on it last and and I will have to say this that um our public works director was a huge part in this getting this done. Um he
actually went over I believe with Jason and they got it hooked up. They didn't only just pick it up but they got it hooked up in a in a matter of hours. Sunday morning. >> I think we should thank Mr. Higgins. >> Big thanks to Mr.
>> Higgins. So, wait, Jason, who's on fire now. >> Not that Jason is public works or >> different. Okay. >> I thought maybe Chief Ko was volunteering today. So, >> okay. Okay. Do we have a motion? We have
a motion. Do we have a sec? Do we have a second? >> Okay. So, proper motion and a second. Do we have any further discussion? If none, >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Lori. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Devito. >> Hi. >> Mayor Myers.
>> I. So approved. >> Thank you. >> Staff. Next. >> Thank you. Next item. Number seven. I would like if Christina Marie could talk to this. We have painting on the buildings. that Lucy put something together for you all.
>> Um, basically I acquired three quotes to have the uh city hall and annex painted. Those are in your pocket and I'd like to move forward with um with having that done. The stuckco work was complete. Um, our copier was giving me some
issues. I've done a few AI renderings, what some potential colors could look like um to you all just to um give me an idea of what your um preference is. I had copies, but again the color isn't
accurate, so that's the original copy. Um or I'm open to suggestions and can maybe provide another palette for you, but those are just some potentials of what Regardless of color, I would like to get the bids
approved and secure contractors so that um these bids don't expire >> in the bid. We're going to paint the metal as well. Is that the >> Yes, >> the black. >> Yes, >> a little dark. I thought
>> it's a lighter more of a historic a historic blue. I think >> historic green is better. I can provide them digitally as well. >> The green is similar. That green is almost similar to the color that we did
this door in that door. >> Yeah, >> it's kind of that color that complemented the um the mural. >> Yes. >> So, I have a question there. >> Yes. >> Is um Richard Cooney still living in the area? The one who did the murals?
>> Yeah. Did you want to speak to that? >> Yes, ma'am. Um, Mr. Cooney has expressed a desire to revamp his murals. So, after the building is painted, I would like to work with Mr. Cooney, but I would bring that before you separately. >> Well, I have I have was speaking to a
different issue. I would like to ask Mr. Cooney's opinion about which color he thinks would better complement the murals before we make a final decision on the color. I mean, I I would like to see a little more input on color. I I know what I like
from the pictures, but um I don't know. Do you feel the colors are true on the printel? >> Um I mean, pretty much, but I don't have a problem getting Mr. Clooney and getting his opinion. >> Yeah. You know, it's a very expensive paint
job and I know whenever we do colors, most people um >> they don't like the colors we pick. I really pick >> I'm just saying when you're making a dramatic change, >> right? Usually get some input. I think
Mr. would be good. um just let it sit for a little bit in case we have um I mean usually you can just take a second look before you spend thousands of dollars on a repaint truck. Um I think those
>> and we can also change the colors on the on the building too. So when he comes up here we can paint colors on the building. I mean, goodness knows I've done that on my house. I know >> long ago. This is so funny. just long ago when we
we painted the flower boxes that used to be out there, we actually got samples and we had several, you know, we did the trim, we did a a mockup, what you're talking about and um city staff and the public commented on it and you know, people were happy with the choice,
but Mr. >> But meanwhile, let's let's uh let's ask a question. the um the very first page it looks like includes this all the annex and it's much taller than than the because they did it out separately. Correct.
>> Correct. >> So that this is what is the name of this company? >> This is the lowest bid L works LLC. They're based out of de they'd like to start working in Crescent um Crescent City. They've done some residential um work around town but they specialize in
commercial work and um I would um recommend and they would be able to start within 10 days. Um, >> and essentially the I mean besides that the kids are the same amount of work, right?
>> The stuff has already been repaired. >> The stuff that's been repaired, but actually this firm identified some other areas that they would include. You'll notice there's some concrete patching and some additional stuff work that their crew can um have included in their
bid. And it also um includes cocking of water on the exterior. So they would address that. >> Okay. So I I move that we authorize um LD Works LLC to repaint City Hall and
the city hall and edex buildings um with a color to be decided um at a future moment. in the next week or something >> at a future date >> at a future time but not like I don't want to wait we need to get some samples
paint on the side next week when we get back from >> okay >> so we have a proper motion and a second um all good discussion all in favor
>> no let's have let's have the clerk do a roll call This is from the money we put into the the budget. >> Well, this is what she's what we're saying is that that's in the general fund. So, I think that was one was that
one of the recommendations that this also could come out a better place at this time because it has a five more than a fiveyear lifespan. How long ago was this building? >> About 80, I think. >> Well, over time five years ago. Her staff has been here that long. Yeah,
that's our recommendation to put in place funds. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Commissioner Devito. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Lori. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Warren. >> Hi, >> Commissioner B. >> I Myers,
>> I Okay, so approved. And I have to say, I'm never a white wall person. >> But that but that it does >> except for it's going to show Except for it will show dirt. Yeah, I can tell you
the dust from I do not recommend white. The dust from the highway >> will turn anything white very dark and black. >> I'm sure if you smear it, it's permanent. Um >> the green won't show as much.
>> I do want I do want to um >> commissioners. Okay, commissioners. Um I do want to say this is that you know we've got workshops scheduled um but we don't have a workshop to bring
back our general fund and I think before we go into the final um budget in se on September 10th we desperately need to bring back our general fund because we still have work to do on >> we have very incomplete >> our enterprise funds are coming out but
we haven't done but our general fund I'm talking about our general fund It needs to be reviewed again. >> Thank you so much. >> So, um, so I think before we leave, we need to set up another >> and that's before we leave, but meanwhile, we got a half an hour. We got a couple more things to do here.
>> So, we're going But that's important that we get that taken care of, too. So, we go to city manager report. So we have the um keep moving the hearts and it squeaks every time. >> Sorry.
>> Okay. No more squeaking. All right. Um >> Lind Dixie. >> Yes. >> So on Lind Dixie, the last count we had and I know we've got quite a few pages in in writing. last count we had. >> Is this on the agenda?
>> No, she asked for it. She asked for an update. She just asked for an update at the beginning of the meeting >> and the commission meeting. >> Oh, okay. Um, sorry about this meeting. I I brought it up because um I think
it's pretty much now or never. It's been quite a while since I talked to Laura Pavis at the chamber and she urged us if we were going to take any action to make it as soon as possible. So, I wanted to
get a status and see if we um um I have spoken to um I have spoke and Larry is they are aware that we have a that we have a petition out there. They're very aware of that. um they've been um he's
been provided with a copy of it and I was in communication with him. They still don't know anything right now. He hasn't been told anything and he is trying to get with I guess the regional um to set up the meeting.
>> Okay. Regional with Dixie. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Southeastern grocerers and Aldi. >> Okay. >> So, whoever his regional is right now, which is through the Aldi, but I guess I'll go through Southeastern. So, he's trying to get that set up. Um, and so
that's where we are with that. And right now, we have >> 987 >> 987 signers plus we're over a thousand when you consider um the ones that are in writing as well. So, I told him that we wanted to be able to take those um to
them also. So, anybody >> Okay. So, my >> So, you said you dealt with Monaceel, >> right? I talked to um I saw an article um that was originally on WCTV out of Tallahassee. Um very very very sharp
secretary of the chamber. She's um formerly lived in Valia County. Very familiar with Crescent City. She was a council person for municipality there. Um there when the article was
>> I'm sorry we have decor here. I don't We're way off subject. This is not on the agenda. >> Commissioner Burton, she asked at the beginning of the meeting and the commissioner agreed to it. So, she asked for an update. That's all. >> If I can just talk, I can finish. So, um
her name is No, I can't even remember her name. I have her name. Um very very sharp. Their conversion is moving very fast. >> Um she basically she has contact names. if you would like, I can forward them to the
commission. Um, but her recommendation is that whatever it is we're going to do, we do as soon as possible. She also said she tried to contact um you and the city manager several weeks, maybe a month or so ago. She wanted to talk to
you first because she knew we were on a possible conversion as well. Okay. and she said, she wasn't specific about when it was, but she said she did not hear back. So, she was glad I called. I just happened to see the article, but um I
can forward the contact information that she gave me and um she just said as soon as possible because the information flow has been very slim and I guess the indication I got from her is
that sooner is better. They don't tell you anything. They haven't applied for a permit, but they've applied for a signed permit. >> Okay. >> So, she says on it. So, well, are you going to make an appointment as soon as you were able
to get one? >> Yes, that's what we're trying to do right now. >> Okay. And I will forward the information she gave me to manager and he can share it with everybody. >> Okay. >> So, please do. >> Okay. >> We'll go to the update. Okay. Thank you
for that city manager report. >> So, um, first and foremost, I I received an email today. This is not on my, uh, city manager report, but I wanted to make you all aware. Um, after good effort from my predecessor, Charles Rudd. Um, the Florida legislature elected not to fund the Culbert
Community Park phase one project in our app. Um, for 2025, 2026. Um we are going to uh go back and reapply. Um the cycle application cycle opens September 1st of this year.
>> Cover Colbert Park Community Park phase one. >> So I just wanted to make you all aware of that. >> And the other stuff that we so basically wasn't or application was not funed. >> It was not fun. >> Okay. And was that because we were
ranked too low when they only funded a certain amount or >> I couldn't I couldn't tell you that there's no detail in the email that I got. It was just sorry >> you got that today though. >> I got it today and I and I will forward you all the email. >> I just consult Fox to see.
>> Yes. >> Have a clarity on those things. >> I will ask you just because time permitting um if there's anything specific you need to talk about with me in the report. I did um provide um attachments u like last time. Um there
are a couple things that I did want to talk to you about that were important um but I wasn't sure if there's something specific that any of you all have questions on. >> Well, mayor, I have a question about the status of our IT contract and the RFP.
Um okay. So, in the July meeting, it said that we would bring back the Inspired Technologies contract in August and everybody got an answer to my question to you in email. Um, you said
you're putting it out for RFP. Don't we have to approve RFPs that go out? And what happened to the Inspire Technologies contract? Did we Is it um we can cancel any time or is there a deadline? >> We still have an out on the contract.
>> We have what? >> We had an out on the contract. >> What is that out? >> They had a a contract for renewal, >> right? >> We have not signed their contract for renewal. We don't have to sign that contract for renewal at this time. >> Okay. But the existing contract, was
there a drop dead date for an out for that? Are we are we going along like monthto month? >> We're not. And and basically right now we have 30 days that we have to give them if we were to cancel with them. Uh but >> that's what I'm saying. It is 30 days.
>> 30 days. Okay. >> Correct. And we have not um finalized an RMP. That is something that we have discussed staff discussed finalizing this week to be able to put in front of you all um at the next uh at the next meeting that we have.
>> Okay. Okay. I just want to get clarification on that because the email sounded like you were putting out an RFP and Okay. So that's coming up in September. >> Yes. Okay. >> Putting out an RFP not to the not not to the world just to you all. >> Okay. >> For us to to review and have input. Yes.
>> And and I was given a standard national standard for security um that commissioner um Lori had given us. And so that is probably going to be a piece of the standard that we utilize um when we when we collected the information to come up with the finalized RFP.
>> Okay. Well, thank you for the good work. Just want to make sure because that um their their new contract for Inspired Technologies had quite a hefty cancellation penalty. >> Yes. >> Right. So we're that doesn't apply to us. >> All right.
Thanks. Good work. Any other questions? Go ahead. >> I was just going to say one thing. It's on my first page under administration. Um, these are a lot of items that that that office staff, myself are working on. Um, I wanted to bring to the to the talk to your attention. The NOFO with
Monica um um Dominique and this is um a $100,000 grant right now for wastewater infrastructure assessment. Um we were asked we were told we basically we could streamline this and get this money for an assessment on our wastewater. At the
same time in the meeting um they wanted more information from us in regards to what type of plans did the city have for expansion of our infrastructure to specifically commercial and industrial uses. Um I got with Keith he he sent an
email out to Jason Shepler. um they came out and basically you can read this uh what's in here. This is an excerpt from the email. They basically said that it it wouldn't be conducive for us at this point that there are other grants to go after that this particular one for more
money would not be worth its weight at this time. So we we reached out to our engineer to see what they thought about this. And at this point in time, I believe that we are going to stand down on on moving forward with uh with the waste.
>> Yes, the Dominique has. >> Okay. Okay. >> And that was just an assessment of our wastewater system. >> Correct. >> Evaluation plans for the future. >> Correct. >> Okay. The other thing that's important that I wanted to note um is this um let
me get in here. I apologize. We have a long-standing order at the wastewater plant. We have five wells. Um this is an issue that's been ongoing for the test wells. Correct. A a number a number of years. >> Um
>> we are in >> I'm sorry. We're going to be fined. >> We're going to be fined. >> Yeah. 15K. >> $15,000. >> Um, >> however, >> yes. However, there is an out uh with a permit through our engineering company, Midtower CPH, that they can do a study
and while we are in that study, um, they will hold off on any type of fines during that time. >> Okay? But right after that would be fine >> if it's not finished. >> That's the way I read it. Now I will tell you this and I don't know how how we get into this when we when we uh
start talking to the regulatory body but under the old permit and the time that they built this uh plant it was their recommendation and I mean their the state recommendation on the placement of these wells >> from my investigation I found out that
they asked there's two monitoring wells five total two that are actually sample wells one of them. The state told the city where to put it and they did not have historical information on that property. There was a house that was removed and they put it right by an
actual septic field and you wonder why the nitrates are high. So, a a lot of these things are happening. I believe that the state should have you know uh share >> with that. >> Yeah, I know. But I'm just telling you I'm just telling you what what what
happened. So that's something that we'll discuss with them. I do have a meeting coming up with them directly. >> I mean just paying the fines and not changing anything is not going >> right and and they are I was told that the fines happen one time and they don't
happen again after that. It's kind of stop from the state >> and Chip has been working with them on this two of these in >> correct. Correct. It's kind of a rarity. >> Yes. two of these type of test wells I
guess supposedly in the entire state. So Chip has been trying to work with them on this. >> Yes, he has. >> Okay, >> those are the two main items that I had in there. Everything else is questions of of Mr. Martin. >> Um I just wanted to get clarification on
one item. Um I had asked about this. So for the North Main Street Water Project, is that contract going to come back to us for approval before it goes out to bid? >> Christina
>> on the >> I think it would have to go out to bid and then we contract with a firm who gets accepted is my understanding, but I'm not I'm not well versed on that. Yeah, I'll have to get back with you specifically on that because I know that your email I I had Jason Shepler answer
the questions that you originally had. So that's a new question and I'll have to get back with you on that. But anything anything we decide of course or or contractwise we're going to bring back to the commission before we >> it would come back to us for approval. The bid the bid would come back to us just like it did over on Prospect
>> previously for South for Prospect Street and South Maine. the actual design of the project and the design of the project and the bid documents came to us for approval.
>> But we also weed we were discussing North Main at the same time. In fact, you rerouted some of them because we were looking at North Main. We looked at all all three all four projects really at the same time >> and that was
Yes. because you several of them and did the >> same the same process the same process will >> trees protection of the trees >> and the protection of the trees which is an email that I did send you back >> okay so what commissioner Lori is saying
is that when we did the approval it was for the north main l Jason and talking about the trees and the boring we include and we're looking at north as well because I'm north >> okay can actually
>> I think you are correct because I can remember taking those documents to North Main Street before we voted. Okay, got it. >> That we've done with the city manager report. >> We are done and lots of good work. >> Okay. Update on the retail strategies
for the grant. >> Yes. And that's also in there. Just want to give you all an update. Um, staff really appreciates you all jumping on that quickly and discussing that, allowing us to move forward. Um, retail strategies put together a a really nice um, proposal. Uh, and uh, we ended up
getting it out on time. I have not heard anything back, but I will be following up this week and next week to see if there's any movement on it. U, but all of our letters and reference letters went out on an email on the 31st. >> And that did not require me to um, just for the record, that did not require me
to sign anything. Um, currently I'm getting an email from Department of um, economic um, commerce. Yeah. And and they're asking me for a for a signature >> and it's a docking sign and so I've got
I believe three emails and so we're not signing it and I've reached out to and it is an actual person who does work there. So, I have contacted that and I've reached out to them through an email and through the phone message just to um ask them if in fact they are
sending this and if there's something that's required. So, just just for the record in case that comes back because I'm not signing anything nor are we going into that at this time. >> I'm more concerned if that email was a fishing email. >> Yeah, I'm it probably was. because
that person came on a Friday, a Sunday, and a Monday. >> Um, same thing's going on with the D where they're asking me to sign something as well. So, >> so let's go to the city attorney.
>> Yes. Our next item, city attorney update on the complaint against commissioner. Uh there's an attachment CA in your booklets and if you will be able to speak to that sir. >> I don't have a booklet so I don't know what your attachment is. >> This is your letter from not as clear
that this is the letter from the engagement for legal services. >> Okay. The investigator has been engaged. Um letters that uh she recommends being sent to the complainant as well as the sub for the investigation. form letters have been provided to the city manager
today for him to send out just basically a forming of the investigation and of the fact that she'll be contacting those persons as well as others. Um I'll be asking for basic information from the
city manager as to the people that probably should be contacted as in the course of the investigation. I got sent an email today, but with it was later the day after I got out of trial, so you probably haven't had a chance to look at it. >> Yes, sir. >> And then she'll be starting to contact
people in the very near future, next few days. >> Her name is Shannon Kelly. Um she is experienced investigator, has performed many a number of investigations in the past. She's an attorney working with the firm of Grey Robinson, which is a very
well-known legal firm, law firm. Um, so I'm quite sure she'll perform with professionalism and thoroughess. >> Commissioners, do you have any questions of Mr. Holmes?
>> Um, I have one, but it's not on that subject. Um, can we finish out and then you can ask him? So, we need the update on the Bailey versus um, Governor Deantis. >> Who wants to talk? So that's not mine, but
>> I have I have another item. Okay. But I was about to this one. Yeah. >> Okay. So go ahead. >> Um in here it says that it's a a flat fee of $7,000. But then it also says in addition services will apply for all dispersements and out of pocket expenses including document production travel
expenses, long distance loss, mailing charges, taxing charges, passenger service, it's really hard to read, and filling out reporting fees. Um I just want us to be aware of that. So, I mean, what the flat fee is that? And then there's if the person if the attorney is
called for to subpoena or the um testimony, it's $625 an hour. Um, but I just want us to be aware that that's not the only fee. I mean,
>> the the 7,000 covers her providing a written report. if you wanted to go beyond that or if you required to go beyond that's going to be a different engagement. >> Okay. I just wanted to make sure that that was not we get charged that report
and fees and I mean it seems like >> well law the law firms charge for copy paper. >> No I understand that be aware of that. >> Yeah. >> So >> matter of fact I had one attorney tell me that if you had seven copers you wouldn't need to make
it. >> You done it. >> Okay. One more final or another issue that's u as of today I have been in communication with Ellen Avery Smith from Rogers Towers regarding with u the
folks that are in negotiations to buy the China block um having to do with the code enforcement lean we discussed a modification of theou that she had prepared she's a very competent attorney by the way I've dealt
with her in the past in uh regard to land use matters. She uh provided me a modified version of it today in accord with our conversation which I found to be totally acceptable. Just making it clear that you had agreed to reduce the fine to the $25,000 contingent upon them bringing everything
into compliance rather than the quite frankly I don't think she was at the meeting where you you took that action. I'm not sure I was either. Theou was a little bit vague in terms of the reduction. That was my concern that we we had a certain amount that had been
agreed upon that that amount be included in theou. She agreed fixed it. I haven't now u advising I'll be advising city manager sign it so that they can move forward because it's my understanding that the u potential buyer would not move forward with the sale until some certainty or they had some certainty
about the fine reduction. So that'll be happening tomorrow and I think that's all. Yeah. Also, >> um I had a couple questions. >> Yes. Okay. Um so one um at the last meeting, Commissioner
Lori and I um both filed form eight for conflict of interest form 8B, sorry, from the ethics commission on conflict of interest. Um the form I noticed the form says that we
have to file it within 15 days after the vote occurs um with the person responsible for recording the minutes of meetings and reading from the form who should incorporate the form in the minutes. >> I got a copy of that copy.
>> What? Well, I just got two copies of it. So I just want to make sure that is the correct procedure. That's what I said on the formal copy. >> And then um sometimes emails get lost.
Um but I have sent our city attorney an email asking for guidance. Um sometimes one or more commissioners are in a meeting together where for a community event or issue where something might be
discussed that could later come up on a commission meeting. Um, Commissioner Lori and I just went to historic preservation conference and we would like to get together with the other two people who went and do a debrief so that we could plan a
presentation. Um, we really could use guidance on making sure that we could notice that properly so that we could talk about it. Um, obviously it'll be in a public
place. um minutes would be taken um and I just need to make sure that the that it could be noticed properly. I I need some guidance on that and I said should I should I >> so very quickly I can tell you that
there's no prohibition against two commissioners attending a meeting. There would be a prohibition that either of you spoke >> but I'm saying can >> I >> can we not notice it and open it to the public? You can, but I thought you said
you already attended a meeting. >> No, we've attended a conference. I want to do a debriefing after the conference is what I'm getting. You want to do a debriefing with the two of you and two other people. >> Even if you attend the conference, >> right? >> Neither of you can speak if the other
one is present. Otherwise, that's communication. So, you attend your conference. >> Yeah, we run the same classes on conference. Well, >> commissioners in Crescent City are frequently at meetings where all kinds of things are discussed, but we don't speak. We know better than that. Whether
it's a um rotary or whatever it happens to be or a group of people at Three Bananas, we just don't. But the issue is um to do this debrief or to be in >> as long as you notice it publicly. >> Notice that two or more commissioners
are going to be present at a meeting at a given place in time. >> Public's invited to attend. >> You said you're going to take minutes, >> right? So we number one, we need the clerk to provide the notice at city hall.
Your meetings now are noticed by way of what do you notice them in the paper? >> Paper sign >> on the website. >> Paper website and what? >> Post city hall. >> So, however you notice your meetings now, notice this meeting the same way.
>> Right. And then um if when minutes are taken, should those be recorded with the clerk? Should we forward those to the clerk? >> I think it'd be good practice to do so. >> Okay. So, >> okay. >> Yes. >> Okay, that's very helpful. >> Um, I want to go back to we've got
Bailey versus Governor DeSantis >> versus Lori. Yeah. >> versus Lori. And so, quickly because I have to do a work, we need a workshop date. that um it was >> the first DCA district court of appeals
has issued a ruling an opinion um and has not has affirmed the decision of the trial circuit court and not granting a full warranty to former commissioner Bailey. Um, and so as far as unless he
decides to appeal it further in the next 30 days, which my attorney does not think will happen, um, I am officially a commissioner for now. >> They have to approve it. >> He would take that to the he'd have to appeal it to the Supreme Court. >> He would have to Yeah. >> And they would have to accept it,
>> right? And especially I mean when they they completely agreed with the trial court's u decision and it was a concurrence of all three judges. Um it would be very >> Okay.
>> So commissioners we have on here um I I want to get this workshop date. So everybody pull out the calendars. Right now we have the 19th. We've got a workshop on our enterprise funds
at 10:00. Do we just want to use that day and do our general fund or do you want to do it on another day? >> Okay. Frankly, um I I don't know is I don't know that there's enough time for them
to get the documents to us and give us time. Okay. What is what is the 26 look like? The 26th. We've got the 25th, 26th, 27th. I don't want to go too far because that goes over into um so the 25th, 26th, 27th. Commissioner, how does
your calendar look for any of those days? I think I'm good. >> Wait. And this is August, right? August. >> Okay. 25th, 26, 27. How do you look? >> The 25th. That would be the better day.
Okay. Monday the Monday. The 25th. >> No, I can't do Monday. >> You can't do a Monday. Okay. Um, what is the 2? So, the 26th doesn't look good. It's not good. What about the 27th? >> 27th. >> No, the 27th. 27.
>> You can't do the 27th. >> Um I think there's already a city meeting on that day. >> That's train garden at 1 p.m. >> 2 or 2 o'clock. >> Okay. >> And neither one of you can do it on the
28th. >> I can do 28. >> You can do the key for me. That's what >> probably early. It probably be early. It would be um we could even do it at 10 or 1, >> you know,
tree. >> I would suggest >> 10 a.m. >> Huh? >> 10 o'clock. >> On the 28th. >> Okay. So, let's do it. >> This workshop on our general fun. >> Yes. Mayor, thank you so much.
>> You're welcome. I think that's very needed. >> Okay, if that's if everybody's in agreement, let's go back. We've got cyber security executive level training. You've got one minute. Um, senior leadership in Florida state and local government. >> That was just my certification. I just
>> So, this is your certification recognizing that. Okay. >> I'm currently working with meeting the requirements of >> Congratulations. And yes, >> so what Commissioner Gor is reminding us of is I think we are all obligated to
take this training, but we have not yet taken it. >> Yeah, but we're I'm really find out with Inspired or something else. There's a there is that other program note before which actually I I've been playing with
it or you know trying it out and it's actually quite quite good. It's just going to be some money, but it'll send it's it allows you to test people and actually you can even send out fake fishing emails and it'll tell you if anybody opened them and all
that stuff. So, it's really um a great choice, but I think we'll have to >> I think you would be good at teaching the class. You seem to be navigating this very well. >> Yeah. I can barely I can barely turn on a
printer. I can't get any of your friends. I'm the last person you want to do a computer training. >> Okay. So, I need a motion to adjourn. >> Okay. We have a motion to adjourn. And do I have a second? >> Thank you. >> Okay. All in favor?
So, thank you all very much. I'm doing well. I made it.