--------- Okay, everyone. Okay, here we go. >> Going to call this meeting to order. This is the city commission regular uh scheduled meeting along with our CRA meeting. Today is May 14th, 2026. It is
approximately 6:01 p.m. Um, with that, I'm going to go ahead and um, Commissioner Miller, if you would please lead us in invocation. Please stand if you are able. >> Let's bow our heads. Dear heavenly father, once again, we want to thank you
for waking up this morning to a brand new day. We thank you for your grace and your mercy. We thank you for everything that you've done for us in the past and what you're going to do in the future. We ask that you be with us this evening as we make decisions that will help our
community. We ask ask that you help us to be fair and and honest. We ask that you be with us. Help us to make decisions that will be best for all of us. And Father God, we forever praise you and we forever magnify you. that will give you the highest praise because your word and offerings. These blessings
we do ask in our son Jesus name. >> Amen. The pledge of allegiance. I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation with
all. >> Thank you very much. If you would please do a roll call for us. Commissioner Lisa Kavir. >> Commissioner Linda Moore >> here. >> Commissioner Cynthia Burton >> here. >> Assistant City Manager CRA Manager
Bonnie Love Day >> here. >> City Manager Derek Martin >> here. >> City Attorney Donald Holmes >> here. >> County Sheriff's Office Major Userie. >> He is here. >> He is here.
>> Finance Director Steve Conklin >> here. Code enforcement officer Pam Taylor >> present. >> Vice Mayor William BJ Lorie >> present. >> Mayor Michelle Myers >> present. >> Mayor Myers, we have a quorum for this
evening. I would like to introduce to the commission and the citizens our new city clerk, Sharita Voucher. Miss Voucher, um after seven long months, thank you. I found you. Um Mr. Holmes, I do think very much so. She's going to be
able to keep up with Mr. Martin's uh hyperlinks very well. >> Very well. Her IT skills are impeccable. >> You're welcome. And enjoy the challenge. >> This is wonderful. Sharita, we welcome you and we were just so thankful that you came back after lunch that first
day. We were all kind of a little nervous, sweating out a little bit, but thank you. You are just um when you walk into the office, you can just feel the positive energy. And so we welcome you here. Thank you for being here and we
look forward to working with you. And Melanie, thank you. >> We appreciate all that you've done for us, lifting up our spirits, keeping us going, keeping us straight, trying to keep others straight. And um thank you. And
you know, you will be missed. And we just wish you much success in your next endeavor. Thanks. With that, I've got a lot of announcements. Now, everybody just be patient with me for just a minute, please. To start off with, next week,
May 17th through 243rd, is public works appreciation. And so everyone, if you're out and about and you see anybody in our public works department, please give them an attab boy. Thank them for all that they do,
especially as we're coming into this time of the year when it's very warm out there and they're there all day long and they make sure that this city to the best of their ability that it looks good and um they take care of us. They take
care of us and so we greatly appreciate them here and I know the public appreciates them as well. So please make sure they know that if you see them in and out. The women's club has got several big events coming up. Saturday, May 16th, they have a barbecue everyone
from 11:00 until it is out and they are serving um half chicken with two sides. It's $15. Um, everyone please go out and support the women's club. They also have bunko which is going to be this Wednesday
um at 6 next Wednesday, this coming Wednesday. Um, it's at 1 to3 and it is $6, uh, to play bonko. They have bingo this Friday, May 15th. Their scheduled a little off because we've had an extra
week, I believe. Um, so that's going to be at 5:00 the doors open and at 5:45 bingo starts. So don't be late. Be in your seat and have your cards ready. The Futland Peninsula Historic Society on Thursday, May 21st, which is next
Thursday at 4:00 at the women's um the women's club building. They're going to have their annual potluck dinner. That's always some great fixing. So, make sure if you um you know if you're interested in the historic society, I
don't know, are you going to have a special speaker this time? Speaker, >> no speaker, just dinner. Just fellowship. That's just fellowship. Okay. Um we've got pups, kids, and kayaks, which will be coming up June 6 at Dexter Beach. It's going to start at
10:00 in the morning and it'll go until 4:00. The last launch for the kayak kayaks will be at 2:45. Last year we had Last year was our fourth year and we had record numbers. I believe we had right at about 450
454 children and and adults there. Um they gave out I believe over 80 fishing rods. Lee um Dayton and Cheryl Dayton. their residents here and Lee does that with the help of the sheriff's
office and um sponsors that have done that and so that's he teaches the children how to fish and they are so excited about that and um we just really thank uh Putnham County Sheriff's Office
uh Sheriff Gator Delo for what he has done to support our youth here in Crescent City. It's a big event. Come out. It's not just for the children. It's fun to be there. And um we have vendors. They will have vendors uh for food for the adults. Graduation from the
high school will be May 28th at 7:30 p.m. And then June 13th, we have um the music event, as many of you know, the music event that we had scheduled with Mr. Evans group um a few weeks ago he
predicted rain and sure enough it rained and it rained a lot thankfully. So they have rescheduled that for June 13th from four um gates open I guess everything opens up at 4:00. Music starts at 6. It's going to be an evening event and
the Atlantic City boys will be performing along with I believe some other some others. We have Junth, which I'm going to ask um Miss Duke to come up and speak about when I get done with this, but I'm going to ask you if you'd come up and just
tell us a little bit about that. Uh we also have um the yacht club is doing their first poker run Saturday, May 23rd. Uh starts at 11 o'clock at the Boat Bar in Malaca. The
cost is $10. They said come by boat, car, um or motorcycle, >> just come. So that's always a good time for everyone. I do want to share with everyone that we had, um we've extended our burn ban here in Crescent City. Um
this is, I believe, the third time for this most recent one. We just extended it this week. The county has also extended it. And the St. John's water management district has said we are still under extreme water shortage. I believe this for the below average
rainfall for the six consecutive months. I'm encouraging everyone to please conserve as much water as you possibly can. Um I do want to say that thank you to Miss Jane um that was wind Dixie that
she went in and and she beat me to it. She talked to Larry about it and she had someone help take it down and we're going to be able to display it here um in the commission meeting room. I don't know if any of you went into Wind Dixie and you saw the big Crescent City logo
and the um the aerial that I know Rachel helped with and others helped with. So, that's going to be we hope we're going to get it here on the wall. And then let's talk a little bit about soda. I don't see Mitch Adwell here, but
was asked to just mention that we had our soda boat races. It was extremely well attended um at the last minute and had to be moved and everyone took um great precaution with that. It was a
huge turnout. The voters were so excited and can't wait to get back until next be back next year. So, I will say thank you to Mitch. um he spearheaded that. He brought him back. And I also want to say
Melanie, thank you. Um you were very instrumental in helping him um behind the scenes and get everything that you could. Of course, Derek, thank you. Um we've got Steve, you were there. Um all a lot of our staff was there helping
making sure everything was running smoothly as it did. uh Cheryl Dayton, Lee Dayton, Lisa Bodenberry, Tina Richardson, but also all of our sponsors. We had so many sponsors for this and with any of these events, you know, they really can't happen without
the volunteers and the sponsors. We just want to thank all of our sponsors um as well as the sheriff's office. Thank you very much for your help and support with that. We had the Florida B um wildlife commission SETO showed up and said they were going
to um be here just just on their own. They showed up to help out Crescent City Yacht Club. Of course, our fire and rescue, Crescent City Fire and Rescue with special recognition to Captain Jefflair um on the drone footage. I don't know if
any of you had a chance to see any of that, but I've heard it's pretty spectacular. Um and then the Putham County School District for their help in the things that they allowed them to do. So with that, um I just want to say
thank you. And I think that that is um all that I have. Um does the commission do you have anything before I ask Miss Duke to come up and speak? Nobody has anything. Okay, Miss D, come on up. Tell us about Junth if you would
please. All of you should have that in your packet. Um, good evening everyone. Angel 404 North Lake Street and present city of course the new assistant has been working for three weeks. He's been bringing our
younger people now to be involved and they're forming their own groups to support what we do. So, um, Miss T week, we'll be reaching out to people in her age group up to 35 years old from 20 to 35, bringing them on board and she's
work with youth and go to bed and she'll be training them and that taking pressure off me alone trying to do everything that is now delegate responsibility someone who is responsible for everyone. This is Miss
Tink week. >> Tink week. >> Week. >> Okay. >> W E K. >> Okay. >> We are here now to speak to you about Junth. It may seem to be a little delayed. Long as we have our posters up
and flyers that have by the first, which is what we had targeted, we're still on point with the assistance of her and someone other people that's working with us. We were going to do the carnival, but we got looped into something that I
wasn't familiar with because as soon as I set up a date with the gentleman who owned the carnival, he immediately sent me out a $4 million um insurance certificate. He said just to let me know he was a standup guy. But then after
that, I didn't hear anymore. And we're waiting and waiting and time is flying by. thus be a little bit late, but come to find out it was too good to be true because he never sent me the contract and I spoke to city manager that and I wouldn't dare put something out there
without our contract being signed. So thus he picked us and we didn't hear from him. So we moved on with what we had Junth. You probably say what is Junth? Most of you probably heard of Junth, but it has a deeper meaning
meaning than just celebrating in the park and whatever. We get deeper into the brain set with Junth so people can clearly understand the importance of this day and why it was made to be um a federal holiday two years ago with
President Donald Trump. This year we decided to do something different. We always honor a grand and other locals and things of that nature. So I started thinking about things going on around the world. There's no peace
even here in our community. So came up with a theme of give peace a chance. And that's going to be the logo on the t-shirts and I put it out there and people are going crazy over it. even those from Jacksonville and Ohio that say we want to be a part
of this because we need peace. So with that in mind, we'll talk about Janine, the legacy of Janine. And we have uh nine young girls, different nationalities, and they're going to be wearing the little diamond tiers
and they'll be up on stage singing. All we are saying, give me a chance, get my voice. That's what these little girls and boys will be singing. And then we're going to jump right into our program and you guys will be getting a copy put up with the next week, the agenda. And
hopefully you'll be able to attend because it's going to be something to be reckoned with at 12 noon as Lisa know we did it a couple years ago where we ask every church in town regardless of the denomination to ring their bell on their
church in recognition of this incredible uh event that we have in celebrating um JM. We have um day three, we have collective
uh designs, we have Katie Moody, we have those incredible African dancers from Guinea, West Africa. They had everybody up on stage dancing and want to come back to teach African dancing because rhythm, but each rhythm has a meaning. So then I'll be back. So it'll be a lot
for you to enjoy uh food galore, of course, different ethnic persuasions. I'm looking forward to it. I always look forward to warm nice and cold or whatever. So, we certainly hope that you'll come out here and join us and be a part of this
festivity. There's a lot more going on, of course, but you don't put that on your flyer. That's the element is Friday. Can you just say that your flyer says it's Saturday? >> So, be Friday, June 19th. These are the
draft. I wanted everybody to have a copy tonight. Thank you. I'll pick that up. >> Wasn't out there for Saturday. Sometimes we just look at >> and we're going to do it on the holiday this June 10th. So, thank you for picking that up also. But there's two more up. It was just a draft to get
something to you guys uh to review to see who we are and what we're doing and to meet my assistant and Miss T week. Uh the others couldn't be here because of time constraint here at work. But we promise you it's going to be something to be remembered with that being. Okay.
Does anyone have any questions? Five minutes. >> Yes. I I just have questions for the city manager. And then so it's my understanding this is a federal holiday. It's a new holiday. Is it a city holiday? It's my
understanding that Putnham County School District observes the holiday. >> Okay. So this will be a city holiday. Friday's Friday, June 19th. It's already in our day. >> Yeah, we did last year, too.
>> We did. We did last year. Now, the churches, you're contacting all the churches about contact some of the churches. Is that still on? >> I will. Can I give you a notification? We want as many churches as possible to any denomination. It doesn't matter. We
just want those bells ringing ringing ring. And that's going to send a signal to our community as to who we are, what we all about, and the purpose of Jun. >> What's that, Keith? Thank you always for your hard work and putting this together.
>> Thank you guys. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Okay. Um, we're going to go to at this time if nobody has any other announcements. I guess no one has anything. I'm going to go to public comments. I'm going to open it up for public comments. If you have
any public comments, I have one, but I believe it's on an agenda item. Um, that's the only sheet that I have. If anybody wants to make a public comment, please come forward at this time. State your name and your address if you will. You um set this clock for three minutes
if you would please. Elizabeth Gomez 19 Cedar Street and I wanted to tell the mayor that soda event was very nice. I had a great time. I had friends come over. We walk and the main thing we
enjoy seeing all the families all colors all races were there enjoying and people under the trees playing music with all the family and it was very nice to see the community healed by that event and
I'm just saying that's the right place to continue holding the soda races. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. Good to see you. Thanks. Do we have anybody else that would like to speak? >> Hello and welcome.
>> My name is Sylvia McFarland. My address is 107A Breezy Point Lane, Crescent City, Florida. And I am very nervous right now because
I didn't expect myself to do this. But I am from Pennsylvania and um I just moved here to Florida and it's my first time at I don't even
know where I'm at, but the city uh meeting. >> Yes, ma'am. City commission meeting. >> City commission meeting. >> And welcome. I think we've met. We've met on the street. Yes, I remember you, mayor, and uh you're still as lovely as you were when I met you on the street.
>> And also you, Lisa, I remember meeting you and it's a pleasure to see you again. But Liz brought me here and Liz is a good friend of mine and um I remember you also. But my reason for stepping up is to say that um me being
from Pennsylvania and coming here to Florida, I gota get used to address Crescent City, Florida. Uh is to say um I stepped up here to say that I uh feel
so good about what I'm seeing here tonight. And I'm going to be honest and blunt. I'm talking about the diversity. It is just so beautiful to have us like you said even about the churches all
coming together. But no matter who's in the church, whether you're black, you're white, you're old, you're young, you're no matter who you are, no matter what nationality you are, you know, and I already see that here tonight. And I
feel good. I feel like I just feel proud of my city, Crescent City. It makes me feel good to see all you people here and um it's a learning lesson for me and so far so good. I like what I'm learning. >> Thank you. Well, thank you.
>> So, thank you tonight and thank you for having the patience to listen to me and bear with me. Thank you and I hope to see you all again. >> Absolutely. Thank you for sharing some positive. We appreciate that. Thank you so much. >> Yes, sir.
>> Okay. Good evening, everybody. >> Good evening. >> Gerald Watson for born of Lake Street, Presley City. U I'd like to echo support for Junth this year. I mean, it's a
institution that's been in our community at Angel Water several years and continues to grow and blossom. And this year, as she stated, it's going to be a very special year because part of the program is being done at the church. And
what year was it when you had the program in the church? >> 2015. It was the church was full. It was a great mixture. Very >> very diversified and attendance. And uh it it was it was a wonderful event. I
just want to echo and thank you guys for your support and all that you're doing. You know, blast it out on all your social media as you again just to get the word out. Crystal City is really proud to be able to host sponsor for Junth in Pu County for another year.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Do we have anybody else that wants to come forward and speak? Now's your opportunity. >> Seeing nobody come forward, I'm going to close public comment at this time. We're going to go to our um presentations.
We've already I skipped ahead a little bit and Miss Duke, but I could just tell she was just busting at the seam to talk to us about it about Junth. So, I wanted to make sure she did. So, I don't think we have anything more on that. Commissioners, if you have no questions
on this on this. Okay. And then we've got before you if you would, we do have ratification. We need to ratify a um we have a centurion in in town, Miss Corine Tilman. So, if you'll give me an
opportunity and they were going to do a um they're doing a birthday party for her, a big celebration. I believe Commissioner, you asked us to do this for her. So, do you want to talk a little bit about this before I read the proclamation? Um there's um
I know there's going to be a special day on Sunday at 3:00 at Emmanuel um a church in TAA. There is an article about her that was in the paper. Um I don't know if you had a chance to read it. Nice article. >> I remember the lady when I was a little
girl going to a middle school and she was a secretary. I remember her husband also was was a chroing officer that went out and found all the kids who who miss school. He would go out and find her and bring them to school. But the lady um she has a lot of history um in Crescent
City even though she didn't live here. Um she was here most of the time. So there was a lot going on. So if you want to just you want to go to a good celebration be the church at 3:00 in um I'm not sure what street that is, but I have to look it up for you. But it's called it's Emanuel AM Church. The same
church that Trippy Adela goes to is her >> Yes. >> her church um member. >> Well, thank you for asking us to recognize her. Um it was a wonderful article and we could all you know hope to live the life that she lived. I mean just from the picture over I said I wish
I'd had an I wish I had an opportunity to meet her. Yes. I want to I want to be like her. >> I want to be like her. So, I'm going to go ahead and if everyone's okay with this, I'm going to read this. Um, so it's a city of Crescent City proclamation 20262 honoring Miss Corine
Tilman Milton's 100th birthday. Whereas Miss Corine Tilman Milton was born on May 12th, 1926 in Baxley, Georgia, where she was raised and she is celebrating the remarkable milestone of her 100th birthday this year. And whereas Miss Milton attended Georgia State College,
now known as Savannah State University. And in 1957, she relocated to Palap, Florida, from Baxley, Georgia, with her husband, Vernon Tilman, the first black deputy sheriff and Truan officer for the Putnham County School District, and their daughter Billy Singleton, a
retired educator. And whereas Emanuel United Church recognizes Miss Milton as a faithful and devoted member who has served as an usher, choir member, treasurer for many years and who continues her dedicated service on the church finance committee. And whereas
Miss Milton served as executive secretary at Mil Middle Middleton High School in Crescent Crescent City, Florida under principal Harry Bernie senior from 1963 to 1969 and later became the first black employee at the
district office in Putman County, faithfully serving the community for 30 years until her retirement in 1991. And whereas Miss Corine Tilman Milton's century of faith, service, leadership, and her dedication has positively
impacted countless lives and stands as an inspiration to the citizens of Crescent City and beyond. Now therefore, be it resolved that I, Michelle Meyers, mayor of the city of Crescent City, do hereby recognize and honor Miss Corine Tilman Milton on the occasion of her
100th birthday and extend heartfelt congratulations and best wishes wishes for continued happiness, health, and blessings. >> And thank you. So any um uh motion? Um, I move that we approve proclamation 2026-2.
>> Second. >> We have a proper motion in a second. Do we have any further discussion? >> No further discussion. All in favor? I'll do a voice vote. All in favor, please say I. I. >> I. >> All oppose? Nay.
So, approved. Thank you very much for giving us this opportunity to do that. You know, I heard something on Sunday for everyone. It's not what you gather in life. It's the people that you made a difference in their lives. >> So, I know she's made a big difference in everyone's life. So, thank you. Thank
you. Thank you for that. >> The church is 700 Main Street. >> 700 Main Street in Palaca. >> Thank you very much. Um, and with that, I do want to say that we're going to have a presentation.
Um, as we all know, our Wind Dixie uh is closing and I spoke to Larry, who honestly um Larry could be the mayor if he lived in Crescent City. None of us
would be able to run against Larry. He would by all means be the mayor. >> He has made such an impact in so many people's lives. We were working and I told him I couldn't do anything until I talked to all the commissioners tonight. But we were going to do um surprise him next
week. Unfortunately unfortunately for him he he departed yesterday >> um on a new journey and um but he assured me after he gets back from his vacation that he will come to the July meeting
>> and there we can honor Larry for the service he has given to this community. He has loved on everyone and like I've said um numerous times he um brought a hometown feeling to a big box
store and you don't get that seldom do you get that from um especially from our big grocery stores. So with that everyone he will be here at the July meeting. Please share it with everyone. I'm going to reach out to our other um leaders. I've spoken to Holly Pickkins
about it as well. And we'll make sure that Commissioner Newold and anybody else please bring them in. I know the Rotary um all the Rotary members. So everybody I think it will be I think it will mean a tremendous amount to Larry. It won't be a surprise. Kind of hard to
get him back here as a surprise but yes mayor just his full name although >> Larry is Larry Court. C O R T. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Most people know him as Larry. Um, but yes, Larry Court. So, anyway, I
just wanted to share that. And with that, I'm going to go ahead and open it up to the sheriff's office. Major, you're on. Thank you. >> Good evening, everyone. The mayor took most of my most of the things I was going to talk about. So, that's okay.
That's okay. You cover it for me. So, you made my time a little quicker. We'll move into my report and I'll take any questions after that. We had a burglary off of 804 Randolph Street. The suspects went in the front door residence stole a game system, one of those VR systems
which we think it's going to be a a child. We do have personal interest in this case that we are uh actively seeking. How do I do that? >> It might Yeah, this was a different address, but it was right around the corner. Uh the gentleman left the house
there. We had been gone for about a year and came back to the home and it was vandalized. And when I say vandalized, it mean everything in that home was vandalized. Nothing was taken, but it was vandalizing again. It seemed to be something that a child would do. The guy's a nice guy. Obviously, why would
have any enemy, but I just think that some kids seen this house there for a while and figured they take advantage of what they thought was a good time and was very tragic for someone else. But they went in the house and obviously vandalized the interior of the home. We do have active persons of interest we're
looking at in this case as well. Sorry for the mess up there. >> What's that? The vision >> street >> traffic activity some magnolia vehicles coming out the parking lot turn in front of somebody else. It seems like we're
seeing a lot of lately is people just not paying attention. They're looking down on the road. They don't think they see anything and they're not taking the time. They're getting a little bit of a hurry. Distracted driving. Uh next one was at a 900 block street. This car just ran off road and it offends.
So that was all we had for the month of April. General activity 232 calls for service, 40 of those being traffic stops, two traffic accidents, 10 total reports, 10 arrests, and one warrant was warranted to send to the state
attorney's office. And when you see those arrests there, we've had some, I don't know if anybody has sent here, but we've had some recent um increase in police activity from going a couple burglars we've had in present city. Uh unfortunately, we had a perfect storm had happened and we have some
individuals who um are residents of Cresant City just were released from custody and we are actively seeking those said individuals trying to get them back in jail. So, it's a matter of time. I'll leave that at that.
Again, we have the two reportable crimes that we talked about. We're looking at robbery, burg, vehicle theft, theft, that great total was two for the month. I'm doing really good in those categories. At some point, I may take those categories off because it looks like for almost a year, we have had
really nothing in those categories. So, just to shorten that up and if something does come up, I can obviously address that. And that's all I have for now. Any questions? Do you have any questions of commissioner?
>> Yes, I have one. Um, major, thank you. Um, I don't know if you want to speak to it, but there was a recent lockdown at Middleton Bernie. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Because do you want to speak to that? Has the person been apprehended or is
that all still in progress? >> Again, um, the statement I made earlier is what I was talking about. That's who we're actually trying to get to track down right now. So, there was a another residential burglary where obviously technology caught this sub suspect in the house. You probably seen our recent
uh release on social media where we showed the individual. I think it was kind of crit. Um if he's watching, we know who you are. Uh so run as far as you can particularly out of present city and stay out of it. Um but that was what the
schools were down for. Uh the person the individual seen somebody in our house on camera uh and our deputies got there very quickly. Multiple deputies got there very quickly. Unfortunately, he was faster than our deputies and he outran. He left behind some very items that were uh distinct that was able to
identify him and his partner and um that's what the lockdown was for and that's what all the helicopters and the kines and all that other stuff was for. So I think we had 26 people here during that whole time span, two air units,
three canines. So >> lot of manpower. >> You could tell he knew he had been caught just from the way he immediately thought. He must have seen the cameras. >> Yeah, this technology, I tell you, I think that the uh technology has certainly took an impact in in crime,
especially property crimes. Uh if people don't have cameras these days, as cheap as they are and as and as good as they are, they're uh they're going down the wrong path. So those things are helpful. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> I don't need to take anything away from you, but do you want to talk about cops,
kids, and paths? >> You you said you said about everything, mayor. Obviously, we're going to have multiple vendors there. Uh it's always a good time every year. It's a it's an awesome experience. So, I would encourage you if you don't have anything going on there or if you do have change of plans and see what it's about, it's a
lot of fun. >> It's a lot of fun and your staff stay working on this months in advance and really pull it together. So, thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Do anything else? Anybody have any other questions for the major? >> Thank you. Thank you.
>> I do have one more also. I had to task my training unit with um some some additional um stuff that we had spoke of earlier in the week. So, I'll be getting back to you guys and working with Eric on that. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you
all for keeping us safe. >> I appreciate that. >> Okay. With that, at this time, I'm going to um recess our regular schedule meeting and I'm going to open up our CRA CRA meeting. So,
so currently I on the briefing sheet I had six commercial um projects that I was working on, but now we had eight and I'm still getting more as they come. Um there is two residential applications out. Um so those are the ones that I'm
working on. I have the addresses and some of them, insurance information, different things. Um, but I'm welcoming all the way up until June 1st for the applications um to come in and they're steady coming in and I've been reaching out to people
for them. >> Okay. Did you all have any questions about it? Does anybody have any questions? >> The abbreviation the UBA >> I have that okay. Okay. Okay. >> Which church?
>> The Union Bethl Church. >> Okay. >> All right. Because there's more than one church. >> Okay. >> In that particular area. >> Yes. >> Okay. I I mean I was pretty sure what it was. >> Okay. >> And is Commissioner Lori?
>> Okay. Because I wasn't sure and I had to ask this question of the city manager. What does it mean when it says project currently on hold? >> Well, it was on hold for a minute. That was the UVAme the the church. But me and Angel have been talking and we are going
to go forward with that. >> Oh, did you did you want Angel to speak on that? No. Okay. >> No, I just I didn't know what the briefing >> they got a new pastor and we're just working through that. But um but I think we're going to go forward with that.
>> Um mayor, I have just a question for the commission. Okay. um because it's really a policy issue. I think your part um I was asking the city manager when I saw the briefing sheet if
I recall we set aside specifically for residential properties in the north CRA and I didn't see any have on this list having made application. There is some significant blight I think
near Harry Banks Park in single family residences and we talked about that at budget time and it's my understanding from the city manager and assistant city manager that people are not applying. So, you know, my thought is maybe we
should do something different with that particular area because um before when Christine Marie was still with us at budget time last year, I think we asked her is the money needed there and she said yes.
>> Absolutely. >> Right. So, if people aren't responding and I understand that crime is an issue there and I've heard that from people um in the housing complex to the west.
Um maybe we should reach out to them. Maybe the city staff should have a local meeting instead of, you know, just if they don't apply, then we don't do anything. Um, and maybe we
need to find out from them, have an informational meeting to find out, you know, our program says what the money is for, but should we ask the people in that neighborhood, what do you need? What would help? Um, I even wondered,
you know, could they use extra lighting there? Could we use the money for fencing? Um, and I know um, it's been said in the past and I think it was said recently maybe, you know, insurance is a problem, but
um, just for windows to make house secure. I mean, I'm just really concerned. We've been worried about that area for a while. Um, I I just think maybe we should do something a little different. >> I know that Christina and Marie has had
worked with those home and it's those homes right there on Grove, right? So it's the homes on Grove and so have you you were responding to >> Yes ma'am if I may. So we do have a list of targeted buildings. Each one of the targeted buildings on Grove which is a
handful um were canvased. We went to their doors. We made contact with a few people gave them the information. The others that did not uh come to the door um our manager left packets with cards. Um there is only so much we can do if
people don't want to participate but we have reached out via online website Facebook and canvas on foot to these addresses and properties. >> Okay. So ma'am what I'm saying is >> what's your suggestion? Tell me what you what you think that we could do
differently. >> What I said is maybe we should change our program. Maybe we should request staff to schedule a local meeting at Harry Banks Park and invite people to come out and tell us what they need and
as well just to assess the streetscape because my experience being there and looking at the area and y'all might have some ideas as well. Um is that maybe more secure fencing is needed and lighting. I that would be something. Um,
I just think we need to go back to the drawing board and I would like to see us instead of giving people a packet about what we want to do, ask them what they think would help their neighborhood. >> Well, and I don't know that the packet the packet doesn't say what we think
they should do. It's it talks about it's the top it's a it's our program, >> but there's a difference. We had a grant. We established a grant program on what we thought would work and it's the same for all the three CRAAS. Maybe
something different is needed for the Grove Avenue area because it has been in that condition and I would just say subpar condition for quite a few years and um you know maybe we need to hear
from the res. Okay. I believe there's how many houses is there? Five houses, six houses. >> Oh, yeah. There's six houses. Five or six. Okay. >> You said you have a couple that are actually kind of too bad shape. I've been down there. I've talked to people over here, too.
>> You know, you you kind of hit the nail on the head. If they really aren't interested in working with us, it's just very hard to to do anything for them because I think we're pretty lenient with our grant programs. you know, if we go in and talk to him and say, "This is what
we have to offer." We're extremely um lenient. Now, I talked to somebody down the road who's her house is all boarded up. Every single wind window is boarded up. >> She's uh Hispanic. She answered, "Dor, sir, you know, any way that we can help
you and we can put some new windows in." I know I'm going windows. I like it just the way it is. Thank you. >> And I said, "Okay, but we are here. if you change your mind. >> My understanding she felt safe that way. I think that was a safe.
>> So I mean it it really depends working and as we move forward with our workshops and looking at our budget um we do have some proposals that we're going to put in front of you all to make some decisions. We've been working toss around a couple ideas.
>> Um well I mean for example you don't if you're worried about your security you don't have to have boards. You can have windows with bars that that release inside. I mean, there are more attractive
um security options. And as well, I hate to think that there is a feeling that that area needs boards on the windows. I mean, to me, that I think that's something we need to take notice of, and I appreciate Commissioner Burton bringing that forward.
That's important. >> Let's add one more thing to that, man. Yes, along with updating our website and our outreach, our transparency, we we've we've touched base with some people. Some people just don't trust the government. They don't understand it. Even if it is in black and white
writing, they think that there's a catch. I had somebody literally tell me they don't want to do it because they don't want to have to deal with the city at all. And it's not that our government is bad, they just don't want to have to pay money back or something happened. So
that's the case here I believe. >> Um are are you are you good question? I think that's something that you know always we can always improve. >> So I think for everyone you know in this program as we get input we can always improve.
>> So if you do see something please by all means if it's something that we need to address that but we can improve this grant process. >> Please you know let us know if you're getting some feedback from homeowners. Um, you know, I think that that's important. >> Well, I mean, personally, I would like
to see us hold a workshop in the neighborhood. If we can't find an interior place, then we should have an exterior location. >> Okay. >> I think that would work on that. >> Very far would like
>> And I mean, if no one comes, well, >> yes, we try. >> Yes, Mr. It's a sensitive subject, so I pause before I say it because um there is a a bit of an issue with the government telling somebody when they
need to do something because they're home. Okay. >> Um I mean, >> we're all that way. Yes. >> And we most of us feel that way. They feel that way. They have a right to feel that way. However, having said that,
if your CRA plan allows for it, you could provide for a program where if there are code violations that are there, your grant program might fund the the remediation of the code violations.
Now, I said I paused because again, it's it's a backdoor way of forcing someone to do what they don't really want to do to their house. But for instance, the boarded up windows, I don't know if they have egress capabilities in the case in the
event of a fire. But if they don't, I mean, that's that's more than just a aesthetic issue. That's a safety issue. >> Yes, that is a safety issue. I explain that to her when I talk to her and it's a no.
>> But you're right. Thank you. That's a that's a that's a great recommendation >> that we could look at. Um >> I noticed on here that residential properties, we have two of them that you've gotten you received bids, but the
property is not insured. Um, those I believe are both residential properties. >> Now, since that briefing, one of them did show me their insurance. >> One, >> which one? >> Uh, the one on um
Florida. >> The one on Florida. Okay. Um, I know a lot of times right now, especially with our insurance, that's something that I think we could that we need to to at some point talk about that a lot of times they lose their insurance because
of their roof and they can't get insurance or if they get insurance, if they can get insurance, it's cost prohibitive. Um, so that's something that might be an issue that maybe they're, you know, especially over there that maybe someone with an insurance
issue and and they know that, you know, because you have to have insurance. Um, our grant, I believe, says that that you have to you have to have insurance, you can't have any code violations. So, those are some things that as you go forward, please make sure you just bring those to our attention and if there's
something that we need to um but I would like to say that regardless whenever we have these grants come to us um for evaluation that please include some of these like those two properties that you know have
applied but for whatever reason. And so when we're out on our golf carts, because I think we all agreed that we would do it like we did last time, you go visit the properties. >> Yes. >> Um that we could at least see those so we have our eyes on them and kind of know what maybe their needs are.
>> Okay. >> So when we bring the criteria to you, the matrix that we built includes that criteria for grading. So you all will know. >> Okay. >> Every every >> I just don't want them not to be included. >> They will be included. Yes, ma'am. and
she's also getting uh and several of them are going through rebuild too. So getting other other work done. >> Okay. Okay. >> We have any other questions on that? >> Okay. Um the most recent CRA meeting
there was eight people including Bill Lazar, president of the St. John's Housing Partnership. He has sent me multiple trainings and things like that to that I'm um following up on. Um, more applications are steady coming in. I know because we have only got two weeks
left to my deadline. So, um, but they're coming in um, now and, uh, I've been having meetings with multiple business owners about available grants. A digital database has been created for
the north, central, and south CRA county public records. We've got the database for the CRA and the historical society project. So, that's makes it easier for me. Um, and we are coordinating with
Ernie Evans on uh his his event. So, that's been exciting. That's going to be on June 13th. And that's about all I've got, I think.
Yes, ma'am. Um, >> okay. You said that you met with Bill Laser, president of the St. John's Housing Partnership. >> Yes. >> Did we have like a >> He came to the CRA meeting, right? So, I used to work with him in St. John's
County. He does so much good for the community of St. John's County and he is buying the apartments. I think I gave you the information. Um, next to next to Wind Dixie. Wind Dixie. Yeah, it's called the
>> No, it's not next to Dixie. You told me it's Crescent Lake. >> Crescent Lake >> Apartments and it's on Oakland Oak, right? It's actually closer to Dollar General. >> Yes, he's very involved with the neighborhood up there and he wants to be involved in Crescent City. So, he does um make a difference day up there where
they paint houses and he has a lot of great things um to to show me how to coordinate with the neighborhood and how to get people involved. So, I'm excited about working with him, too. >> So, when's his next date when he comes back to Crescent City?
>> He was here the other day getting permit. Yeah. So, he was here. He's actively down here. Yeah. >> That's all good stuff. >> That's good stuff. Thank you. that and as we build this criteria go grading these and we look at these projects there's some that he said of
course where the CR can touch he'll be able to help these people and individuals so we're getting them in touch with with other resources as well anything we can do to help the people in the community that's basically our >> weatherization windows and um all kinds of things
>> all different programs that he knows about that >> he's be very much an asset Absolutely. >> Good resource for sure. >> Absolutely. >> That's great because we have needs all over the city and most of them don't fall within the CRA.
>> Correct. >> And so, you know, they know with our SHIP program here in Platinum County, if you've ever been in that room when they release those applications, but it is packed. It's very difficult to get in line for for those. So, anything else
that we can bring to Present City would be great. Um, does anybody have any other question? >> Thank you. >> And with that, >> I do have one more thing. Yes, ma'am. >> Um, while it's maybe not with it's not
CRA, but it is within the the central CRA district. And if you can give us kind of an update on where we are with the reszoning. I know there's a lot of questions out there. and I talked to you about getting a >> a pro and con for those residents that
might be a little >> yes >> weary of it and and want to know more. >> I just recently received the information uh a fact sheet if you will on the pros and cons. I'll be releasing that to the commission tomorrow. Uh it's just under review right now. Uh but basically where
we're at is that it's set up next week for Thursday night to be brought to the planning and zoning uh in order to have a a first look of where they're at on their mapping and where the CD stands. So it would be approved and motioned
towards the commission for approval. >> I'm sure you commissioners you you're hearing from property owners um that this is going to impact. So if you would have you sent that out to the commission? I have not. I was going to send it out tomorrow. I just received it.
>> Okay, great. Great. You will send that out to them so that if they have so they're educated on it, too. So, if we have any questions, we can make sure that >> Yes, ma'am. >> we can help with that. And otherwise, we're going to send them off to >> do we have any other any other questions before
>> Well, seems like Miss Angel would like to say something. >> Okay, I'm good. Yes, >> under >> I don't know. I only think CRA is
actually on says CRA. Um there was update on current status grant applications and then listed it that says update on Main Street and Crescent City Downtown Partnership. And so are we still >> Yes, she was she was I just wanted to
make sure she was just about to introduce her. Um I just wanted to make sure we were done with the first section. >> Sure. Thank you. >> So with that, um in the meantime, um Miss Duke, do you have something to speak on on what we're >> Yes. Thank you. >> Okay. I'll open it up for public comments.
>> Yes, please come forward. >> Thank you. As you were discussing again the angels do over street um the CR funds relative to whether it's commercial
uh is it appropriate for the church to apply and that is something I'm not quite clear on because um city manager has three packages from us for newb that's the United Methodist church we call a pray church I'm going to stand
still now because we want to get these three top termite killers. We're going to call them not terite guys and then we need to submit the proposal together four but we narrow it down to three.
I am not clear as to where the funds are. Does that new fund apply to the church? Not sure. I'm not sure if you're you're talking about the grants. The grants. >> Okay. We're in the grant application
cycle right now. >> They have everything from us. >> Okay. >> We haven't we haven't considered them yet. They're going to bring us back to consideration when it closes. Is that what you're asking? >> Yes. What do you need by June?
All I All I need from you right now is just the application sign and I'll get that to you. >> Oh, not the application. That's it. >> Just the Just the application. >> No insurance. I'm in charge. >> Oh, and the insurance. Yeah. I need your insurance for the church. >> Okay. All right. Just want clarity on that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you for asking. >> Okay. I'm going to go ahead. And for an update on the downtown partnership, Christina number >> Hi everyone. >> So the partnership um has pretty much
been busy reorganizing again from an administrative standpoint. As I mentioned last month, our um QuickBooks is cleaned up. Our books are um categorized properly and um looking good. Our tax return has been filed. We
um got an extension but ended up getting it filed in time. Um there were some department of ad forms that were due that were not submitted. I contacted the department of a spoke with a representative there and mailed them um out of the post office.
um with a signature required. So hopefully we'll receive that back on time and get reinstated. >> 501c3. Is that a 501c3? >> Correct. Yes. It's um just a document the nonprofit entity used to file annually to um
>> able to legally get contributions to some of that. And um on a positive note, we now have a treasurer. Jonathan um has stepped up and Um so we have a full executive committee. He's also stepped
up and chair um volunteered to chair the EV committee economic vitality. So that committee will now be active. He's already recruiting members and participants to that committee. They're very excited. Jonathan has a business background and um has some really good
ideas he's going to bring forward. Um we do have some new um some ideas for some new events um coming up. So you'll hopefully be seeing that on the calendar. Red, White, and Boom um has begun to be advertised. The street market's coming together nicely. We have
our music act um secured. We will have a couple of um musicians there. Vendors are um calling and texting and emailing every day, all hours of the day and into the evening, seven days a week. And um
so we should have a wonderful ride, right? As usual. Um, also, um, on your on the agenda is the workshop dates. We need to set a workshop to speak, um, on what the commission or the CRA's the CRA and the
commission's vision is for the Main Street program. We've had it for a few years now. And I think it's time to revisit what exactly um, does the city um, want the Main Street program to to to bring to the table. So, um, I have
some proposed dates. I'd like to have Katherine Beck. She's in charge um of the Matri program to the state. I'd like to zoom her in on that workshop so that she can answer firsthand any questions that you all may have and um help us move forward accordingly with whatever's
best for our town. So, those proposed dates um for Kathy are um when she's available is Tuesday, June 9th in the morning. Everybody have their calendar? You have your calendar? Let's go ahead and get this set if we
can. >> June 9th is one of her proposed dates. >> June 9th in the morning, 10 a.m. >> I have that available. Anybody else have that available?
>> Um, could we hear all the choices before we pick one? because I know the city manager also. >> Okay, go ahead. Give us the other choices that she's given us, please. >> All right, we have Wednesday, June 17th in the morning. >> Tuesday, June 23rd anytime
and Wednesday, June 24th in the morning. >> 17. >> So, you've got the 9th, the 23rd, and the 24th, and the AM. So, what works for everybody? Um well quite frankly um
for me I can do the 9th or June 17th. Um >> June 17th is out because Commissioner Ly said he can't do June. >> Oh that was his date that he can't do. >> So it's either the 9th, the 23rd or the 24th. >> Okay.
>> What does everybody else look like? What do y'all look like over there for the 9th, the 23rd? >> In the morning or the afternoon? >> Morning. >> She's available I think in the morning. She said >> she said Tuesday >> anytime on the 23rd.
>> We can't make it on the 9th. >> Yeah, I I can do the 9th. I just wonder does that date does that date work for the city manager? >> I'll make myself available whenever it's easiest for everybody. I'm >> okay. I mean, I just assume that we go ahead and meet if we're all available.
>> Is everybody available on the night? >> 10 o'clock. Let's set that up. >> Madam clerk, I need to get that advertised as a workshop, please. >> 10:00. >> 10 o'clock. Thank you. >> And Catherine Beck will um need to
attend. So, we'll need to get her set up for here. Okay. And we'll do it here in the commission in the commission chambers. >> That'll give you time also to let your board know because you'll be meeting when will you be meeting? The June 1st. Is that your
>> first meeting? I don't have my calendar. >> That's first Monday. So, you can let me know. >> Okay. Perfect. >> Um, mayor, I do have a question. >> Okay. >> So, you mentioned a new treasurer for the board. Yes. >> And what was that name?
>> Jonathan Bash. Is it Bash? >> Yes. >> Okay. Is that Is that a Crescent City resident? A business owner? >> He's a Crescent City resident. >> Okay. Does he have a business here or >> um Not that I'm aware of. He's retired. >> He's retired Methodist Church. I know
he's very involved, I think, with Method. I believe his wife is >> secretary maybe at the Methodist church something. >> She does the cards. um Lisa I don't know if you've ever seen her that she does help they do the little workshops where
you create >> Oh yeah yeah yeah I've seen I've been there I've probably met her okay so they're they're resident okay >> um all righty and I guess just I mean
for the commission we've discussed this in the past our memorandum of understanding with the downtown partnership is that it just says very broadly they will pursue um the four-point approach and my
concern is when we get reports from the partnership and I don't know how the rest of yall feel about it um it would be my hope that they would report specifically on where they are on each of the four points because that's our
>> I think that's something that we're going to discuss in a workshop is what our expectations are >> and so hold that >> I know we have an agreement >> sure you're saying >> but that will also no I didn't say that but that will be brought up I believe at the workshop to discuss ourou also
because that's what really is bringing this forward is you know what are our expectations of the commission and through thisou right >> so mayor if I could just say I have a deep concern and um I don't know if they're along the
lines of the ones that you expressed when we discussed the funding, but I have deep concerns that we have asked them to pursue the four-point approach or that that was their offer and it is just not clear to me that four points
are being addressed. So that that's just I'm just saying to the rest of you my concern >> and I understand that and I think that's um we also have to understand they're going through their reorganizations and it's my understanding that quite there were several things that that
were not completed not done but as you go forward that's my understanding and I think you just said that you've been working on that and how to reorganize and and better structure Sure. So that we are meeting that. Is that correct? I mean do you want to
address her commissioner's >> I mean you have to be able to meet those four points right >> and it takes time and I know that you know it seems like you we've given you forever but you know and things kind of went a little bit you know backwards which I think it did last year and maybe
a little bit the year before. um it's going to take time now to you know reset and and then move forward again. I mean these things happen and so I have faith that the partnership will get along here and and uh do those things
>> but but I I don't ever remember a time that there was really consistent activity on all four points and that's my main concern. >> Would you like me to address something? So >> you're welcome to if you want to come
forward. So um if you would please when you're talking to Katherine in preparation >> if you have her look at that also so she can address to see where we are meeting the four points. I not we but you know >> I had yes her and I have had this discussion within the past few weeks.
She's very aware of the status and and of our current committees and what's transpired. Um, and I think Rachel's gonna hit on some points that will help make sense, too. >> And if you would just for the audience introduce you and your position. >> I'm the president of the Christ Downtown
Partnership. Um, um, for our four points. Um, economic vitality. Um, beginning of the year, Tim was having meetings that were kind of a vision meetings and we put that under economic vitality. that was what he he was trying
to get um tourism things done within the community. Um for organization, we're currently reformatting and redoing our bylaws. We have another committee that is going
over uh each point of our uh contract for a potential new um executive director. And then we also have that would be an organization. And then design we are making sure that
we're advertising with the historical society the everything for historic preservation month and we actively on our Facebook page post everything that the historical society does and that's design. And we're also trying to get a mural done
this year. I know we've talked about a mural for a couple of years now, but we're actually going to actively work on that this year. Um, we have signage ideas for various points in town, wayfinding signs. Um, and then for
promotions, we have an active promotions committee. Um there's about 15 people on the committee and that uh deals with all of our events that are especially we just had a meeting for Bikefest. So
we're not not doing four point approach. We are trying. >> Okay. >> Good. Um thank you very much. That was very helpful. Thank you mayor. Thank you very much. >> Any questions? >> Any other questions? We have any other questions?
Okay. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? Anything else on um Everything's good with Red, White, and Boom, and we're on we're on target. >> Yeah, everything's great. >> We're excited about that. That of course is always a big event for the community.
And >> um I would like to pass out we have another one of our members of the partnership, um Steve. He's with Big Dog Graphics. He works on our um one of our committees as well. Attends all of our meetings. They're based out of Pearson. Um, he'd like to he's proposed the idea
to provide a sign for Market Square. I have a a draft rendering of that for you. I know it's not on the agenda. You can't vote on it this evening, but I'd like to give this to you all to um marinate on and and we'll bring it forward again next month. But it would go um where Thank you, Derek. It would
go where the existing sign is, the old for sale sign at Market Square that's weathered. Um he's willing to fabricate something that would fit in there. it would be able um to advertise all upcoming events and the event dates would be interchangeable. So um we'd
like to ask that the commission and the Siri board consider that for market square. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I love your um description of that sign as your positive description of leather
and not just it looks awful. Thank you. >> Yes, Commissioner Devita. I breaking up that sign. It's my understanding that property is for sale. Is that not correct? I think that property has been for sale since I moved here
10 years ago. >> Correct. But it's for sale. >> It's for sale. >> It will be for sale. Well, I was asking the city manager actually to confirm that because as far as I know it was, but um the sign, the for sale sign is
being used as a banner support. And I'm not sure why we do that because it is a forale sign, not a banner support >> because Commissioner Devita, have you looked at that sign? That sign looks awful. And so we as a commission
>> when they cover it up actually it's it's it's >> it looks better. It's kind of an eyesore. So shame on us that we haven't done anything. And if we want that to be a for sale sign then we need to we need to do something better with that. >> Right. That's why I bring it up because
I think we need to make a decision. Are we going to continue to have a for sale sign? If we are, then we need to have a real for sale sign and not um cover it up and just use it as a banner support.
And as the mayor has pointed out, thank you, mayor. Um the for sale sign would need refurbishment. Um so I I'm just raising that because it we seem to be, you know, not I don't know what are we doing with the
for sale sign. That's my question. Okay. Okay. >> Anything else? >> Okay. So, we'll have this discussion at the June at the June um meeting if y'all would put this on for the on the CRA on the agenda. Thank you.
>> Okay. There's nothing else on on this. I'm going to close out our um CRA and reconvene our regularly scheduled meeting and we're going to move on to our public hearing section which is you've got a briefing sheet on this. I'm
going to go ahead and turn it over to you please. >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you, mayor. So, you got a briefing sheet for ordinance 202601. This is amendment to section 188 code of ordinances. This use of mobile motor recreational vehicles as living quarters. Purpose of this
ordinance of course updates section 18A present city code to expand regulations on the use of vehicles as living quarters and to formally establish permanent pathways for temporary occupancy of motor homes, recreational vehicles, travel trailers and campers in both residential and nonresidential
zones during construction for security purposes. Uh furthermore, again for summarizing this to you guys, this modernizes our city's regulations around temporary vehicle based living quarters and addresses the increased usage of RVs and
offer structured permit pathways to support construction related needs while maintaining safety and regulatory oversight. It also provides a new mechanism for security based temporary occupancy on commercial or non-residential construction.
Mr. Holmes, would you like to read the U? >> Certainly. So, um, ordinance 2026-01, an ordinance of the city of Crescent City, Florida, amending section 188 of the code of ordinances of Crescent City as previously amended, providing for an
amendment to section 188 prohibiting the use of a mobile home, a motor home, a recreational vehicle, an automobile, etc. for living quarters or preparation of meals in the absence of a permit. Providing for legislative findings and intent. Providing for implementing administrative actions, providing for
severability, providing for ratification of prior acts of the city, providing for conflicts, providing for codification and directions to the code codifier, and providing for an effective date. >> Thank you very much. Commissioner, I'll entertain a motion. >> I move that we approve on first reading
ordinance 202601. the amendment to section 188 code ordinances. >> Okay, do I have a second? >> I Okay, so we have a proper motion in and a second. So at this point in time,
let's start open up discussion. Do we have discussion? >> Yeah, >> you got some things here. You know, add recreation vehicles and types of vehicles from being used as residences. But to my my problem with all of this, I think it sounds relegated, but we still
have a lot of uh trailers that have been out there for a year, okay, that people used while we were building homes. They're still out there, you know, just on the properties. We got we got RVs that are not parked correctly. They're supposed to be parked, you know, behind
their houses. we have a lot of things going on that really have not been addressed with our with some of our old um I guess ordinances or whatever. Um, so now we're going to give them we're going to, you know, open it up to happen
uh more, you know, make it easier and and I'm not sure how are we going to actually police I hate the word use the word police, but how are we going to take care of it when we haven't taken care of it ever before?
>> And I think you're you're referring to because currently on the books we have um residential, >> correct? And we allowed this for residential if they have a permit. >> Correct. >> Um a building permit. We allow a one year. Correct. >> Um we did pass that they were supposed to if you had a recreational vehicle, if
you had a trailer, if you had anything like that, it could not go past the front corner of the house. And so, um >> and this brings into the commercial. this is going to bring commercial into this um to give that opportunity for
commercial. So do you want back to that? >> You know 188 already uses the term motor homes, travel trailers, campers, they're not defined in the ordinance. Um recreational vehicles a little broader term uh that might allow certain things such as motor homes, travel trailers,
fifth wheeler trailers, pop-up campers, camper vans. One thing that I want to be clear about is that as the city grows, we have of course more than just commercial or residential. We have light industrial and we also have agricultural. That's
why it was clearly defined in this ordinance that this was non-residential and allowance for non-residential. Yes, I agree. We have some issues. I'll have to work with our city attorney and our code enforcement officer to see how certain things can be enforced. We can address these things moving forward and be proactive. Um, but these are things
that of course have been happening for a long period of time. So, we're going to have to find solutions to that. The biggest issue I think is that as this city grows and these properties become available, there is no provision right now that allows a security trailer
and you could call it a a trailer, an RV, a construction trailer to legally sit and get electricity to be on the site while construction is taking place. It is just not in our current code. This this addresses that.
>> Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Isn't um I had some questions, but I have a specific question about what you just said. You just said construction trailer that we can't allow a construction trailer, but this is a residence. Isn't there a
difference between a daytime construction trailer with an office and something that is used as a residence? Aren't those two different things? >> As it's permitted and for its use, I would say yes, it would be different,
but as it's permanent use, it would not. It's for security purposes and to be on site during construction >> and it's permitted. Right now, there's no vehicle for that. There's no mechanism for that. As far as time frames are being concerned, uh right now
residential allows you up to a year. Uh I would have to do a little bit more research to see what we have on the books to see how we can enforce that at the end of the year, whether it's a a new permit and fee or if there's certain code violation citation that can
be given to move people um forward in the process. Again, right now we have we have nothing in place for non-residential security uses during construction. >> Okay. Mayor, I don't know if Commissioner Burton's done, but I had a
couple of really specific question at the time. I'll come back. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. Because um I follow your reasoning and I share your concerns um about the specific ordinance. Um, I wasn't sure. Um, I
raised the question, I sent an email to you and Mr. Holmes, I think earlier today. You know, what is a res a recreational vehicle? What are we talking about here? We because the other terms aren't defined. Um, a recreational
vehicle doesn't fall under um travel trailer or camper or um I don't know. Did did you have a specific kind of recreational vehicle in mind? >> So, this is an answer to the question and I apologize. I know that the
question was raised late in the day and of course being agenda day. I apologize. I didn't get it back to >> No, I didn't expect you to answer me. I just wanted you to know what I would be asking. >> Yes, ma'am. Just popped into my mind. >> Yes, ma'am. Or the rest of the commission. So, I apologize, but I did get answers back from Mark Carrett,
which is um our uh planning and zoning director who wrote this ordinance. Um his answer was in section 188 and I'll read it again. I started to read it before already uses the terms motor homes, travel trailers, and campers. They are not defined in the ordinance. A
recreational vehicle is a little broader term and that it might all of the following be included. Motor homes, travel trailers, fifth wheelers, truck campers, pop-up campers, and camper vans. He says that if the commission would like the definitions added to the
ordinance, that can be done before the second reading. So if you would like a little bit more detail, we could definitely add that. >> Okay. >> And then um I had another question. Well, my overarching question is you're
saying that this is modernizing our ordinance. Um but how do how common is this in other cities to allow people to camp during construction on a commercial property?
So, in pre-construction, it happens. It's It's rare. It doesn't happen everywhere, but we're not like every other place. We're rural, and we also have several different types of zoning in a very, very small area. So, one shoe doesn't fit all. Um, in this case, this
was our best uh go at it with with Mark Caret and what he thought would be suitable moving forward in the future, especially since we have uh light industrial, agriculture, commercial, and residential. Right now, our code gave allowance through permitting process
though short-term either two weeks or a year. It was for residential. It currently did not serve any of the other type of zoning that we have in our city. >> Right. Okay. And then but I think there's a reason for that. Um, oh, then as well the language that's
added to 18-8D, the very last part, um, it's not just for permitted construction, but it seems to allow storage of materials or just on-site security for any property
whatsoever before a construction permit is issued. >> Yes. His answer to that was arguably yes. You could do the following provided, however, that the city manager may in his or her discretion authorize a permit prior to the permit issuance upon written finding that on-site security is
necessary to protect the property from theft and vandalism. And that was his his response. Going back to your question before, uh the most recent city that approved an ordinance like this was Mexico Beach as well. Of course, they did it because they were wiped out
destroyed by our current. >> Correct. 100%. Correct. But again, not every shoe fits. I mean, not every size fits. So, it's what works for your city. We have a very small 2 and 1/2 mile square mile city. We have several zoning
uh areas in our city and and this opens it up to the other areas in case we have uh investment in companies coming in to be able to do construction. >> Well, I don't know. I've never I'm familiar with construction trailers on
job sites. Um I to me it seems like um to follow Commissioner Burton's line of reasoning, I have a little bit of concern that we would have people living in these industrial or
agricultural areas in different kinds of vehicles. And I understand that I mean I was here when we amended the residential ordinance um and they have to have a way to dispose of um sewer waste and they have to have not a generator. They have
to have light pole so they're not you know a noise problem. But the rationale that we had um for the residential properties was that people had bought a piece of property, they wanted to live on it and um many of them were
constructing um the property the doing the work to build house themselves. >> Correct. >> And so we basically gave them a way to live on their property until they had their permanent house built. Um, I just see
this as very different and um, I don't know. It just I'm not really sure how um, not really sure of the impact this would have on, you know, how many people we would have
living in travel trailers in all different areas and what that really gets us. You're saying that this is for security. >> Yes. And there is a permitting process. If this was approved by the commission, we would we would come up with a permit. I would work with our city attorney to make sure that that would be correct and
they would have to adhere to that permit and then we would have a mechanism in place for code enforcement to check that after the year. So, I do know that when we did this when I think probably one of the last ones that was done um on a residential that property owner was very
concerned because he was a little remote and he had he had construction materials delivered out there and he just wanted to make sure that that there was a presence there. Unfortunately, that trailer is still there and they've long since gone past um and approved their
permit. they have. Yeah. Um, so that's I understand where Commissioner Burton's coming from. My question would be that um and and oftent times when you have a development, say you've got a development or you've got commercial construction, sometimes they'll have security overnight. They'll have
security stay there overnight to protect their their um their construction products. My question would be, Mr. comes. Um, is it possible that rather than put this into the ordinance the way
we the way we are doing this that on a case-bycase basis, they could come to our planning and zoning um or or come to us or whatever mechanism so that it's more on a case-byase basis. How could we do that
and not >> you could provide for this particular use uh in the nature of a special exception. You may call it conditional use. Different jurisdictions call it different things or even a variance but
probably variance would not be the more appropriate. Probably would be special exception or conditional use. Um you could provide for it in each of your zoning. You know, you have permitted uses in your zoning categories and then you have uses by special exception and
you could provide for this day use by special exception in your zoning categories. Um, you know, there's a difference between authorization and enforcement. And sometimes you get hung up on the
fact that you haven't been enforcing your ordinance when when that's not that's the different that's a different issue altogether. That's because y'all haven't been enforcing your ordinance. >> But that doesn't mean that making allowance for this sort of thing is bad.
It just means that you got to enforce your ordinances. And um I don't know whether or not your um your magistrate is set up to hear. I I don't remember the authorization. I've
even never seen it. I don't know whether your off your your code enforcement your your your magistrate your hearing officer is set up just to to hear violations of of uh codes like uh
cleanliness of premises care premises those kinds of things or if they have car blocks to hear any violation of your of your code. However, that's easy enough. That's a that's a easy an easy fix. The point being that in your ordinances
like this, you could provide for u a violation um and one that would and give the the code enforcement m officer or not officer but the hearing officer jurisdiction to hear those types of things and impose a fine similar to what
you do on other code enforcement matters. So, somebody has a permit for whatever length of time granted by your ZBO Arizona planning commission, right? Um, for uh security purposes while construction take place and as you said
a minute ago, y'all granted it trailer still there, etc., etc. Okay. code officer brings a a code case um goes to your standard process through your hearing uh and fine of X dollars a day is imposed if it's not moved at a
certain time and you go from there. It's actually going to probably be more enforceable with commercial property than it would be for residential because obviously if residential is homestead you can't do anything to foreclose your lean. Commercial property isn't exempt.
So actually your commercial property was would probably be an easier topic for enforcement than than your residential would be from that perspective. So um so you know philosophically I don't have a problem with the idea of people having
like it or not u building materials are increasingly expensive. uh theft of building materials, building materials is is increasingly more profitable, meaning that people take more chances to steal it. Uh if it is a
remote site, then I mean your options are limited as to how you protect your site. Yeah, you put a fence up there, cut easily, and then people resort to putting dogs out. There's a problem with that. I mean, it's just an issue. So, personally and phys philosophically, I think allowing for and I agree with
Mr. the veto in that a construction trailer is not what I was thinking about when I saw this ordinance. Construction trailers are usually used as an office during the daytime and that's where you guys come to look at blueprints and all that good stuff. Um maybe they store
some stuff in it too, but you know what I mean. These types of trailers where we're saying they can be used for habitation, that's a that's a security type thing. And um and like it or not, I think we especially in an area where you're rural, you don't have your own police force, you don't have a bunch of
officers, it's something that may be uh a big deal to somebody who's look coming in and looking at building something if they can't have some kind of security on site. >> Well, I think it works pretty well, you know, um outside of Crescent City. You know, you say, "Oh, we're pretty rural." We're really not. We're a city.
>> We have police. We're a sheriff here. Um, everybody knows what everybody's doing. Okay. I mean, that's pretty >> Well, we do. >> I didn't say you didn't. >> The report today though was about a birth. The report today, the first
report from the sheriff's office was about two burglaries though, the same resident. So, you know, they made everybody may know what everybody's doing, but it doesn't stop people from doing it. >> No, exactly. But what I'm saying is you're saying rural rural rural. Um, yeah, we're kind of a small city in a
rural area, I guess, but I think something like this might work out in in uh in the county, but but I it's not it has not worked out for us here in the city. I don't think that it's worked out here in the city. We haven't had a lot of it, but what little we have is is
still hanging out here. My understanding this thing the topic arose because a specific p specific uh property owner asked about the possibility of doing it and there's no provision for doing it. Was that not correct? >> That's correct. >> So a a commercial I was told it was a
commercial potential commercial builder that wanted to some assurance that his materials were not going to leave the site and looking for security on site. But you you you're the policy maker. So, if you don't think that's something that you want to do, I just want to make the point that enforcement >> if it's a commercial builder that comes
out and is going to build homes or something like that. >> No, it wouldn't be homes because right now you're allowed in residential. I'm talking about a commercial builder building commercial property. >> I think that they should come in and and ask. It doesn't have to be under an ordinance. They should come in and and
we should have something that says, "Hey, yes, you're going to be building this commercial building or whatever, and yes, you can stay." And after a year, you got to go. I think that that would work, but I don't I don't even like that you said, well, if it's a home and it's on the property, it almost
sounds like even if that year goes by, okay, we can put a lean on it, but we'll never get the money and the and the thing is still there. >> Well, you see what I'm saying? That doesn't make sense to me. Do that. >> Well, I don't know that I said what you
said. I said >> what I said was what I said was you're not allowed to foreclose on residential property that's homestead period. And that's truth. >> So that remedy is not available on residential property. I don't care
whether they've got a camper trailer there for 6 years. You can't foreclose on property. Um you could foreclose on commercial property because you can't homestead. So what I simply was trying to say was you actually have more enforcement options on commercial property than you have on residential.
Now there are many things you can do to enforce your code besides just putting a lean on it and trying to foreclose. You can bring an abatement action obviously and the abatement action says you got something here that's violating the code. It's not supposed to be here. If you don't take care of it, we're going to take care of it. Charge them for it.
You can do that. No doubt about it. Obviously abatement actions are they're They require you to put upfront monies or monies upfront, but but yes, you could bring a a suit to abate uh a condition on property and that would
include removing a a home there. But and you can get the get it done, but your lean might not ever be paid unless they sell a property at some point because you can't foreclose on it. And that's that's the distinction I was trying to make. Their enforcement mechanism. Sometime if you're a rich town or county
then abatement is a very very useful tool because you can afford to put the upfront money in litigation to you know enforce your code knowing you may not ever get it back. You won't get it back unless people sell the property. But my point is simply that in in the case of
commercial property you have more options because you get a lean for the abatement they don't pay it. You bring a suit to foreclose the property and you can because it's not homestead it's not protected. So I but what just just for clarification just because you cannot
foreclose does not mean that we cannot file um that we can't file against them and put a lean on that house. >> Correct. >> Unfortunately, we can't enforce that until something happens. It either changes ownership um as long as it's
homesteaded. >> If it's homesteaded and there you go. Some of your property may be abandoned, may not be a primary living accommodation, so it may not be homesteaded. So, you know, you've got those things, but I totally agree with the idea that if you don't want the city manager to grant these, then having one
of your zoning boards grant them is is is definitely a viable option. Some jurisdictions do it that way, you know, >> on a case by case basis. >> Case by case basis. >> So that it just wouldn't be a blanket across the board, but it would be on a case by case basis,
>> right? The person comes in and as you know, with conditional use permits, they have the right to put conditions in place. So, i.e., You mentioned location of this of the uh of the unit in a u conditional use application process.
Your board would have that right to say you can put it there, but it's got to be here. It's got to be hooked up to utilities. You know, if you need screening, so it's not unsightly because the area is nice and your neighbors don't want to have to look at the under unpinning
or not. They don't look at a trailer that doesn't have underpinning cover up the pipes and stuff. You could put all those conditions in place. >> Okay. >> But we still have to pass an ordinance that makes for that process as conditional use. >> Right. Just you just amen your zoning ordinance so that you would add that as
a as you know as you know you can't grant a conditional use that's not articulated as a potential conditional use in each category. So you decide which categories you want it in and then put those in under as a as a potential commission potential conditional use if
it's approved by I don't know whether you use a ZVOA or planning commission for that >> but whichever you use for that they would have to approve it just like they would anything else >> and again I agree with you there's a difference between um the enforcement
and allowing this allowing this and authorization and the enforcement and the enforcement's on us >> and and we're not you know we're not upholding that and so I think that's a whole another conversation that should be had. So, Commissioner Devito, >> right? And as we're talking and people
are bringing forth points, I mean, one just one thing that concerns me is this exception, the original exception that we did, it was you could have um I mean, basically the way our ordinance worked in Crescent
City was we did not want people living in temporary trailers. That was the basic principle for trailers in Crescent City. We don't want you living in temporary recreational type trails, whatever. But if you're having company or whatever, you could get a permit for
two weeks. >> Then we broadened it so that someone building a home who was going to make their permanent residence here. We would give them a permit to live on their property as a resident while they built
it because it's their property and they want that that's going to be their home. This is a little bit different. We are saying you can live on a nonresidential property for up to a year um solely for security
purposes. And I guess for me um some of those implications that the city attorney talked about like appearance, are you going to have some screening? um whatever. We're we're really kind of o opening the door to an unknown number of
people living in very temporary um vehicles like recreational vehicles and you know um and we're giving kind of a blanket authorization like if someone is constructing something at for commercial
>> but they still have to come in and get approval. They still have to get city manual. So it's not just >> to have an active building. >> Another thing that has to happen is has to be an active building permit or in the process of permit with the county. The other >> I understand that. But I'm saying if just in my mind's eye because once we
enact an ordinance it's here and we got to live with it and all the neighbors got to live with it. I mean potentially you could have travel trailers up and down 17. Um, I just want to think about the um, well, there are a lot of potential construction sites, including
um, the Wendixie that's converting to an Aldi, something going in on site a lot. There's a lot of potential um, sites. So, I get the mayor's point more on a case-by case basis because the way this ordinance reads, if you have a
construction, if you have a construction site, we pretty much have to give you the permit. There's no reason not to. >> Not necessarily. I mean, there has to be a direct tiein to city utility to be able to do that. >> Right. Right. But I'm saying once when
you have those conditions, anyone who's building on commercial property, we there's really it's not a conditional use pretty much will get it if you meet those three. We're giving an open permission. So I'm just trying to think
about um what that's going to look like. >> You mean the current the ordinance that you're looking at right now? Not if you >> which is not what had been suggested. The order that you're looking at right now is not what was last discussed. What was last discussed was creating the conditional use correct vehicle to allow
this particular >> right and that's more limited and it addresses potential neighborhood or scenic concerns. I mean that makes sense. >> And we have to just determine if we do that um that you know would it go to P&Z
or would it just come directly to us? Who would who would be who would we want to do? I know of oftent times special use permits they PNC handles those. >> I was going to say it's going to go to PNC. >> Yeah, PNC handles those. >> So that's something. So commission um do
we have any suggestions? Any suggestions? Where do we want to move forward with this? How how do we want to move forward? I currently have a a proper motion and a second. Um, I haven't opened it up for public comment yet, but um, what do we have any other
suggestions here and how we want to move this forward? Uh, it's my understanding we have had a property owner who who has approached you and brought it to your attention. That's how this was brought to your attention. Yes. >> Correct. And so we realize we have a deficiency. Yes. >> Um, for those that are trying to develop
and have an issue with security and possibly in an area that could >> pose itself. Yes. >> Um for an issue. >> Absolutely. >> Um so what do we want to do? >> Well, to me I thought your proposal um
was very um beneficial one and could we um send this back to have it tweaked so that trying to highlight so that >> I don't know if it would go in this. I don't know that it would go in this. it
would go any >> so we would we would abandon this current one and stay where we are currently with how how our ordinance 18-8 is written >> um and and take it >> prepare an ordinance that amended your zoning code that's what you'd be doing
preparing an ordinance that amended your zone amended your zoning code to allow for these types of uses as a conditional use in whatever zoning categories you want >> your it's your pleasure commissioners um that you made the motion. Do you have any thoughts? Do you have any input on
this? >> To me, it seems this is well thought out. I don't know going through conditional use permit or going through this process to me is the same the same thing. I mean, all you're doing is slowing down the process really a
business owner that wants to do construction if having to go through conditional use is just coming in front of a public hearing which they'll have to schedule. whereas having the the city manager's office approved it would be
more you know more speedy in my opinion but um you guys have seem to be terrified of when trailers all up and down if I can add I think the biggest concern that I'm hearing is that it could lead to possibility of of an overrun of RVs on properties
>> you may think it's funny >> no I don't think it's funny I think it's serious because I don't want it to happen I live here too I don't want to see it and I think it can hurt business. But I also hear that there's been issues long-standing that we have not enforced our current code and to help clean up
some of these areas that people have abused the commission and previous commission's kindness. So, I will work with you all and my code enforcement officer and our council to see how we can legally approach those problem areas and those issues and we'll take care of
that. This again is a is a whole another issue that I think moving into the future to be able to allow investors to come in and have an option of being able to secure their sites while they're here working and it is temporary. It's not >> longterm. Okay, I understand. But I I
in reading this and I understand where you're coming from too. Um am I fearful of this? No, I'm not fearful of this except for the fact it's blanketed, >> right? >> And we have no conditions on this. So there's no conditions that you have the ability to set on this as long as they
have electricity and and they can hook they can hook up. So there's no conditions that you can set on this. I've gone through a special use permit. I had to get a special person and go before PNC and they had conditions.
There were conditions. If you look down at Bell's Beastro, when they converted that, they had a list of conditions that had to be met in order to get that conditional use permit and special use permit. And so when you do that, if
they're in violation of one of those conditions, >> right, >> that's an issue, >> right? >> This, you know, there's not I mean, it would be like not not storing your garbage um could be a conditional use. So, not that we and we don't want to,
you know, deter anybody from building here, but I see both sides of it. And I see that, you know, that the way it's written, while it's well written and well thought out, and we realize that there's a deficiency here, I think also
it doesn't allow for anybody, you planning and zoning us to put conditions on that. >> Correct. >> Maybe I'm wrong, Mr. Humps. >> No, I I don't disagree with what you're saying. So that's why I feel that other
mechanism um might be better in in more in our best interest because you know P&Z will review it. They'll have to come in. They'll have to give them a plan as to what they're going to do. They're not just going to park an RV or they're not going to you know you could have a trailer park there. That's we've seen
some of those motor homes that park in our park that look like they're about to fall apart. Sure. >> And that's really not the look that you want on these properties. you don't know what they're going to park there and so this doesn't allow us any latitude with
that. >> Okay. >> So >> I understand um one thing too I mean and and again this was to to thinking about the future of people coming in investing. I'm not sure if it would always be an RV or if
it would be one of the vehicles that we discussed. I hear what you're saying and I'm just wondering if this is a good time if we're going to kick this back for right now working with legal counsel if we put teeth the same teeth that we're talking about conditions into the into the residential part even though I
hear that it's a little bit more of an issue. Um it sounds like that's where we've had issue recently and so maybe we can rewrite it as well to have conditional aspects added to the residential part. Um, this this code itself was mirrored what we already had
just in residential. All it did was mirror that. Yeah. Same exact. Okay. All right. >> And like we said, we've got a trailer that's been moved, but it's still sitting on the property. >> Correct. >> Okay. So >> can't you have a trailer on your
property or is it the spot? >> No, it's the permits long past still living in >> No, but it's not partly. >> That's what I'm saying. It's not in the correct location. >> Okay. It's still there. >> So I'm just saying I'm just using that
as an example. I'm not I don't want to get into that. >> So, does your zoning prohibit you having a RV or camper, whatever? >> It just has to be parked at the >> furthest >> at the corner of the of the property of
your of your house. >> It can't be >> of your residence, >> the frontal plane of your house. >> Yeah, exactly. Thank you. >> It can be in the side or back lot. >> It can be on the side, back lot, can be in your backyard. It just cannot go past the front plane of your house. And we do have that.
>> Yeah, we do. >> And we put that actually in in >> we put that a couple of years ago. We made that stronger for that for that reason because we had trailers, you know, and and not just a RV, but just regular trailers and things parked all over the place.
>> So So that's already in your code. That's already that's already there and it's enforceable. I'm going to at this time before we um do anything with it, I'll open this up for public comment so we can hear from the public. Um please, if anybody in the
public would like to um speak, uh please come forward if you have anything you'd like to say on this issue. >> You're on a different issue. >> Well, this is about >> You can't talk about this. >> No, I'm gonna talk about this. How you bu
how are you today? >> Um Charles Ben, I'm here on something else, but I'm listening to this and I want to give you something another point of view. You got a lot of people that are
that are not wealthy in the world. And rather than than add additional controls over people's private property, why don't you why don't you wait till there is a problem and create this like an if then statement. This is how we want our city
to be. This is what we expect from our city. If you cause such and such a problem, then we have the authority to enforce and bring an issue bring that issue to your attention. that person from that standpoint rather rather than than uh creating a uh anticipating
there's going to be a problem. Um case in point, you you want to have investors come into this town. All right. Well, make it easier for them. Don't add additional hoops before you break ground. You got to come get
another permit. Why? Most people that have money and want to build are going to be responsible. Let them watch their property. But then what? I just built a fence. A little tiny pile of lumber cost me $2,000. I'm not going to ask anybody permission
before I protect what belongs to me on my property. Now, you have a certain degree of control ahead of time. You can be the good guys and set an example and ask them to set an example. And it can already be in your effective comment. It's already in your zoning that you
have the hammer. Just don't come out there waving it before people even get started. There are a lot of poor people in this country. A lot of poor people. High growth model. Um but if they're physically able,
then there's nothing about a poor person that can't get out there and pick up his lawn or mow his lawn or fence his dogs or whatever. Um you don't have to lead with a stick. How about you leave with with
the authority you already have and say if you don't live up to these standards rather than having to pay upfront for a permit if you don't live up to these standards we are going to come and visit you and you can do that through your code enforcement you can do that through zoning issues you already have the
authority and I think I'll defer to you on this I think it was Ben Franklin was it that said the government governs best that governs least you already have the authority, so be prepared to use it. But otherwise,
this looks like just more control. This looks like a a grab control. You're anticipating this problem. So, we're going to add some more layers of control here. You're going to come get a permit. It's going to cost you some more money. And I think you should probably put the script on that. Look at it from the
other standpoint. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. Do we have any other comments? Seeing no one come forward, I'm going to close public comment at this time. We currently have a proper motion and a second um approving this ordinance as
it's currently written with no changes. Is that correct? >> Okay. So, how do we want to move on this? Are you ready to take a roll call on this and then move on or do you then you want to withdraw or you want to go forward? It was your motion. >> I I we just don't put it down. I don't
know why we're drawing motions all the time, but I I can >> I can I can do a roll call. I'm not I can do a roll call. That's I mean, just because there's a motion there doesn't mean that we all have to approve it. So, >> I mean, I can do a roll call unless you >> I'll
withdraw your motion. >> That's fine. >> Okay. You withdrew your >> I withdraw my >> Okay. So, we've withdrawn the motion in a second. Do I have a new motion? Does anybody have a new um direction to the city manager on how you want to move
forward with this seeing as we have seen that there is a deficiency and there is a request and a need. >> Well, I guess mayor to me and I could make a motion if I have a good sense of exactly where we're trying to go. We're Mr. Beam said
we're restricting things, but we're really trying to open up an avenue to people to provide security. We just want to make sure that we um do it in the best way possible. Um we could
ask the city manager to take this back to Mr. Caret to go back to the drawing board and see if he can find a better way to do this that has um a little more control.
um whether it's to make a conditional use or to put some specific criteria um in that language with respect to non >> you want to put that in the motion for me but somebody want so we can move on
we've got people waiting and so if somebody wants >> when you you've got a mo you've got an ordinance on your agenda what are you going to do with it you had a motion to approve it you withdrew it withdrew the second so so it's sitting here now you got to make a motion we've got to It's been advertised, correct? It's been advertised.
>> So, if we don't want to revertise, >> um, we can bring it back if we move to table it. Is that correct? >> To a date certain. >> Yeah. To a date certain. >> I'm under the impression it's it's not going to this is not going to be touched. It sounds like it's going to be something totally different. So, I don't
I think with this in this case, if this is not what you want, we you all have a vote to >> vote it down. >> To vote it down. >> Okay. >> I reinstate my motion. >> Okay. So you reinstate your motion. Do you reinstate your second? >> Yes, he is. Reinstate your second
vote on it. >> Yes. >> Why? I don't understand. Why can't we take 11 and send it back to be >> because we're not >> And that's what I'm saying. If you if that's something that you want to if that's your recommendation is that we >> then you're going to put it in here.
That's not where we were talking about where that would go if they were having to get um a special use permit. >> It would be a different >> It would be different. >> Um >> I don't know. I think I would like to give um Mr. Caret that option and I mean
an amendment's an amendment >> but but I think we need to move forward. If we vote it down, >> okay, >> then we can ask him to go back to correct and just do just exactly what you want, I think. >> Okay. So I currently have a proper um a
reinstated motion. I have a reinstated second. Is that correct? >> Yeah. If if it's voted down then what >> it it failed. >> I wasn't thinking about fact we had to move this ordinance. So we currently
have an ordinance. Do you are you reinstating your second? >> Commissioner Moore, >> I'll second. I mean, I will second so we can get this done. >> Who's second? Who is seconding it? >> She said, >> okay, so she's reading. Okay, so I'll ask for a roll call, please.
>> Commissioner Burton, >> no. >> Commissioner Moore, >> I Vice Mayor Lori, >> no. >> Commissioner Devito, >> no. Mayor Myers, no. >> Okay. Okay. So, it fails in four months.
>> Okay. So, now I need a motion for um the direction that we're going that we want to send to the city manager. Go ahead, Commissioner Lori, please. >> I move that we direct the city manager to come back with a new ordinance um making this process either part of a
special or a conditional use um and amending our zoning ordinance or whatever you feel is appropriate. Working with Mark Fred and our city attorney Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. We have a proper motion in a
second. Do we have um any further comment on this? >> No, my comment is um I I think we might be able to use the same format and use chapter 18 if they could put conditions for the permit directly
into this ordinance. But that you know they might not feel Mr. Caret might not feel that way. >> And we'll leave that up to Mr. Correct. That's the direction we're giving them now. He and the city manager and our city attorney to work that out. So, I'm going to have um ask the clerk to do a
roll call for us, please. >> That's okay. And so, what we have is we have a motion from Commissioner Lorie and we have a second from Commissioner Burton to send this back to Mr. Brett and our city manager and our city
attorney to um >> redo the process. >> The process and have a different vehicle to bring this to us. >> Commissioner, >> I vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi, Mayor Myers.
>> Hi, >> so let's move on to ordinance number 2026-2. >> Thank you, ma'am. Uh so ordinance 2026-02 I've been asked to table until June 11th. Uh I have talked to legal counsel
and we need to fine-tune this a little better than it is right now. >> Okay. Can I get a motion to table this ordinance as requested by the city manager? >> I move that we table ordinance 202602 as requested by city manager until June 11th. >> Okay. Do I have a second? >> I'll second.
>> I have a proper motion and a second. Commissioners, do you have any um >> Yeah. Um Mayor, >> I have some specific concerns about the ordinance and um it seemed to go beyond um what we
discussed in the workshop quite a bit. Um I sent some questions to the city attorney and the city manager. Um I don't know. I mean, I I think if the city attorney wants to take another look at it, that's great. Um, but I I think
it creates some problems and doesn't solve some of the accessibility problems that that we could do as a city. Um, the thing that concerns me, one of the things that
concerns me was it gave a blanket prohibition to golf carts in our parks. I saw that too. >> And I I don't I just want to share with the commission. I don't think golf carts and the parks are our main problem. Actually, motor
vehicles driving in our parks are the >> That's a different argument though, a different kind of >> No, no, I'm saying but usually you make an ordinance to address issues if you're going to prohibit something. Um I know um the mayor uses her golf cart for
various purposes in the park and there are some people who are not well there are some people who are fairly disabled who use their golf carts to access our parks. They don't tear anything up. Um
and I see families with children kind of doing the same thing. So I just wanted to share that I have a significant concern about that >> if I may to to address your concerns is is really the reason that I would like
to move this because we want a little bit more time. Okay, it was asked how it was derived and so in our last meeting and discussion workshop there was an ordinance 202507 from Indian Harbor Beach and also a that was for their microability and then there was also
20263 uh recently passed for Indian Harbor Beach that was specific to golf cart operations on municipal streets. This is where most of the data came from. There's no reason to reinvent the wheel. This is something that other municipalities have in their current
ordinances, but we are going to make sure that it's a correct and that it also aligns with state statute. I'm going to bring it back in June. I apologize if I waste anybody's time. >> Okay. I mean, we have to start somewhere and ordinances are not easy always. I mean, the devil the devil is always in
the you're trying to put everything that you think that right that we want in there and sometimes we don't even know what we want in there, >> right? I mean, but ma'am, can I just speak to one thing? We a golf cart ordinance is very individual to an
individual community. We are Crescent City. We are not Indian Harbor Beach. I'm very familiar with Indian Harbor Beach. Um it we it needs to meet the needs of our
residents. And um I Anyway, y'all y'all bring back what you think. with a caveat that there's a state statute that provides what you can do with golf carts on not just state roads but public roads. >> That state statute makes it very clear
that you can >> increase the restrictions that are contained in the statute. But you can't you can't relax that >> which is why we had this whole conversation because the state laws changed since we first enacted our golf governments and it was conflict. But
>> the state law only speaks to sidewalks that are adjacent to roadways. >> No, it doesn't. Speaks to that speaks to any public roadway. >> State I get that part, but I'm saying the park the part about prohibiting golf
carts in parks. >> Oh, I'm not talking I was talking about the >> That would be >> No, that part that's different. >> I'm saying that >> another layer. I'm I'm saying that um I don't think it's necessary for us to do
that to comply with state law. >> That's my point that I understand we have to comply with state law, but we don't have to add things over and above if it does not um suit our particular
community. That was my concern. And I think we while we jumped on this and we were ready to do it, I still think there's some things in there some ebike legislation. Has he signed that into law yet? I don't know if he was my >> Yeah. So I don't know if he signed that into law. So that might rather than do
this and then bring it back. And then also I found that and I know you've talked to the county but there is some I believe some legislation and statutes that you can cross if it's designated over a county road and so we've got to
be able to allow that too. So that needs to be built into this obviously as well and just not say that you can't on on um >> and that process has been started. I I've got a process with the county to do that and and that process the conversation has has >> conversation but there is it's in
statute too that you can you can do that if it's on two roads that the cross >> mayor do we need a motion to table we already have a motion we have a motion to table this we have any public comment on this
>> okay seeing no public comment can you do a roll call for Burton Hi, >> Commissioner Warren. >> Hi, >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi, >> Commissioner. >> Hi, >> Mayor Myers. >> Hi, >> so
um >> I do Yes. >> I know we want a break, but I do want to say this sitting out. >> We've had people sitting out here for two hours and I understand we've been sitting here. So, if we can hear them, they're up next. Um
>> let them get through and then we'll take a quick break. Are you okay with that? Do I need you? Okay. Okay. With that, let's have Pam and if we can do this for right now and if we can do it in reverse order, if the commission is okay with that, we have two two of these and then do the lean.
>> Yes. And they can do the first lean and then come back and do the second lane. >> Absolutely. Do the second lane first and then come back and do the first one. >> Thank you, Mayor. Appreciate that. If I could now have Pam. >> Yes.
You're ready. You're up. >> And I do want to say we had a consent agenda. We had nothing on the consent agenda. >> Um, and this is in our business items. We'll close our public comment at this time and we're going into our business items. >> Thank you.
>> She's going to start with you. >> Yes. Thank you. Sure. Yep. Quick close. computer. >> Good evening. >> Taylor, code enforcement officer. We're
going to start with case number 250025 and Russell Richard at 306 eucalyptus. Uh they are present here. Um I don't know if you want to give them the opportunity to speak but they're requesting a lean reduction
because they wish to sell their home on eucalyptus. I believe you have pictures in your packet. already. I I took a picture this afternoon and left it on the desk with
>> request for lean reduction and >> they already he is here. Um questions for him. >> Do you want to go into Pam? If you would Taylor, if you would please go into us with the lean reduction. What they're
requesting for a lean reduction. They requested $1,500 on my presentation here. Just have a brief brief pictures here. This was taken April 22nd, 2026.
This was taken May 29th, 2025, the day that they were supposed to be in compliance. And this breaks down the the lean of $16,450
by percentage and then the administrative cost of $232. Um, Mr. Higgins submitted the lean reduction form for Mr. Rers Mr. and Mrs. Richard and
requested $1,500. >> Okay. >> Um in the agreement to do what? So he's going he's willing to close on this property and take possession >> and so we would reduce. >> Would you like him to answer those
questions? Okay. Mr. Higgins, would you like please? >> Is the property in compliance today? >> No. Come right up here to the microphone. This is Brian Higgins. >> Hi, guys. Thanks so much. >> Thank you. Thank you. I know you traveled over from Jacksonville. I
believe I met you earlier. Thank you. >> You know, he asked the kind of I think the road to an important question. >> Thank you. >> So, it's not in compliance. >> No question. >> You have a picture that I took this morning. I'm just
could I ask Yeah. How is I can't really tell from the photo what the issue of non-compliance is. >> They put a tarp up over the >> Okay, I got it. I see in the kind of the left background. >> Yes.
>> Okay. So, the objects aren't removed. There's a tarp and that is not acceptable. >> Correct. >> Okay. But, um, mayor, if I could I just um I might be thinking along similar lines to you. I would really like to
know um what Mr. Higgins is planning to do with the property and um how he plans to maintain it once he takes it over. Does that sound like a reasonable thing we want to hear? >> Quite reasonable. So we're a federant company. We buy, sell, renovate in
Northeast Florida. So we're very active in Putnham, Clay, Duvall, Baker, NASA, all over the place. But we're very focused here. Uh our intention is to buy the property, renovate it, and then resell it to an owner occupant who intends to keep up the property and be
good taxpaying citizens. >> So you're going to resell it and you would not be renting it. Correct. >> Not to my knowledge. So we do hang on to it as rental sometimes, but this looks like a good opportunity to resell to an owner. >> So how long is that going to take you to
the Are you going to are you going to bring it back to compliance? And >> that's the plan. >> That is the plan. >> It it typically takes us about 60 days to renovate a home. Okay. >> And get it back on the market. Sometimes a hair longer, sometimes less, but that's pretty standard.
>> Yeah. It's my understanding that you were at closing when I believe you had >> we were very close to closing and then title uncovered the the lead >> and then the lean kind of popped up about the same time. >> Yeah. And if I could explain, anytime we go to buy a property, we want to make
sure that the homeowner has someplace to go next. We're not in the business of putting people out on the street. Um the amount of lean would prevent the Rashards from moving and buying a new home. So it would eliminate our ability to buy it and then they wouldn't be able
to move. And I think that we can that would prevent the complete cleanup and renovation of the propert. So, Mr. Holmes, ma'am, >> how do we remedy this since they're not in compliance?
>> So, um I don't believe y'all have ever passed a formal policy governing. >> I've recommended it in the past. >> Um and that you don't have one right now.
So, it's the good news is you have a lot of latitude. The bad news is you have a lot of latitude and you don't have a platform or a guideline to make sure you're consistent from case to case which is an issue for me may not be for
you but uh from my perspective uh most lean reduction u processes that I've been involved with sit county and put city of black interlock a first criteria is that the property be in compliance before you
come and ask for lean reduction. Um, and then from there, you know, I think in the past we've discussed some criteria that you could talk about in each case so that you try to make some try to try to have some consistency criteria like how long has the condition
existed? Um, has the condition impacted surrounding properties? Is the person that's asking for the lean reduction the person that allowed the condition to acrue? Uh, lots of things like that. how much would it have cost to remedy the
link the the the U violation? Um, and then you can look at each one of those things and maybe you can it helps you compare cases case to case. So, what was and I was looking at the packet to see what was a specific violation that was determined
>> um chapter 10 10-20. >> Well, what >> duty to keep your property, maintain your property. >> So, it's a care premises. >> Yes. And the issue was all of the um I won't call it junk because some people might call some of the stuff I have junk, but all of the items that you see
in the picture in the yard, that was the that was the that was a violation. And you mentioned tarp. >> It's not in that picture. >> Not in that picture. >> I took a picture. There's a there's a carport that was filled with >> if I had a head because there was new
information in the lean reduction request and they submitted a request a lean reduction and as I understand it this is what is stated here and um signed that there's both a financial issue
um that as Mr. Higgins said uh the current owners don't have the financial means to clean it up. And as well, one of one of the owners, uh is an over the road truck driver and has to be away to make his living. And the other owner, it
says right here, I'm reading, has COPD and severe asthma. She's here in a um power chair and is not able to do the cleanup. So to me um I don't know about the rest of the commission but I see very special circumstances here. I don't
think we can make people do things that they are completely not able to do. Um so I just this seems to me to be the best way forward because um we we wouldn't want to turn this in
to I mean I don't know what else we can really do. I >> and I think also this was a situation that happened um like you said Richard, >> can I speak? >> He's on the road a lot. Yes, you can.
>> Um I'm I'm the professional driver. >> It's okay. >> My cousin two years ago came to us. He had been living in the woods, not able to provide for himself
correctly and everything. We was kind enough to let him move in to the property as long as he kept the place up. He was the one taking care of the yards and everything.
As y'all can tell, my mom cannot get up to cut the grass or anything. physically. So, I cannot legally take off three, four days every month just to
take care of the yard periodically. My company only allows us to come back in after two weeks of being out. I try to stay out six weeks at a time. That way, I can stay in a full week when I do come
home. But unfortunately, sometimes I can't do that. Like back in February, I was home for two weeks with no pay trying to get that much clear about it. Then I came
back in in March, same thing, two weeks. Then in April, just last month, I was home three weeks, no pay for two of those weeks. It struggled. We struggled bad.
And then that time we was in the process of selling the house, which we was trying to get everything cleaned up for the new homeowners to be able to just walk in, do what they
need to do, and walk out. Then we find out that we have a lean on the place. We can't do it. And I had to go back out on the road. Thank you and and thank you for I know that you know coming before us. I know this is I know this is a diff and we
apologize it's a difficult process but we we have to address it. We've got a process here. So >> yeah. >> Yes. Go ahead and make a motion. >> Um I move that we reduce the fine to $1,500 as was requested in the fine
reduction um on 306. >> I'll second that. Can I make a suggestion? >> Yes sir. Yes sir. >> So it would be my suggestion that you make the reduction whatever reduction
you make contingent upon the property be brought be brought into compliance within a certain period of time. And if it isn't brought into compliance within a certain period of time then the lean reverts back to the original amount then the amount of the reduced bond be paid within a certain period of time
also. Otherwise, >> oh my god, >> I agree. So, closing is when do you have some closing scheduled? Is it next week? >> We'd like to do it within a week if possible. >> Okay. So, we've got a week. So, I think with your motion, I don't know how you
want to do that because >> I'm going to say with that the $1,500 fine be paid within seven days. I don't know. Um >> if I can sorry we generally would pay at closing. >> Okay. Yes.
>> So which would be next week >> actually is the most important thing. >> Okay. So like once you're in compliance uh can you do that within a week? You think >> I hope so. >> It's just the items in the yard.
>> Wait a second. We got a lot of Wait. Order. We're in order. We got a lot of people speaking. Yes. So, we've got Commissioner Lori is trying to >> I'm sorry. >> Clear up his motion. Um and and so let's
let him finish and then Commissioner Burton has something to say, but I'm going to need a second after he does this and then Commissioner Burton. So, go ahead. >> Um so, for the $1,500 fine to be paid at closing, whenever that is. Um, and if it
if the property is not brought into compliance within 30 days of closing, >> of closing, it reverts to the original fine and continues at that point. How does that work? >> Sorry. You're saying you're giving them 30 days to bring it into compliance,
>> right? Which doesn't sound like it's going to need, but >> to clean everything out. >> Clean everything up and make sure >> everything. He said he usually turns these in about 60 days. Right. >> So, and I guess >> I like that because um
>> the money will be paid. I like that the compliance is not required until after closing because that gives the property owner time to take anything out of there that is hers that is, you know, she's able to take out.
>> So, the only problem with that is that they're going to require satisfaction of lean and closing. >> Yes. Yes, they are. And so that means that you've got no teeth after closing. You've got $1,500, but you don't have compliance. >> It really has to be it has to come in
compliance first, then go to the to the lane. I think that's the way it has to be. >> Okay. So, we can't we can't give the 30 days. Can it be compliance at the time of closing? >> Oh, I mean,
>> sure. Well, no. I'm just saying they're going to want the lean satisfied at closing. I'm sure they're going to want a clean title policy, right? >> You guys did a lean search at some point or somebody did municipal lean search and they found a lean. So, they're going to want that
>> satisfied. Meaning that you're saying, "Okay, our lean is no." >> Okay, everybody. Wait a second. Let Don finish. I'm sorry. This everything picks up and they have a very difficult time with all the voices. So, so when it's when they pay or when they satisfy the lean, you have no more you have no more
>> hook on on the scenario. >> So, as to how you do that, that's kind of up to you. But, um, you know, they're going to want the satisfaction as of the day of closing. So, are and the day of closing, you want to expedite. I assume everybody wants to expedite so that everybody can get on about their
business and they can make alternate arrangements and all that good stuff, I guess. So, um, you know, >> I think within reason. We had a closing schedule for the 20th, but if you need more time to get into compliance, we could extend for another week, I suppose. >> May I?
>> Yes. Go ahead. >> If you reduce the the lean and it's paid before closing, we can do a release of lane. If the property is not in compliance after they take possession on the 20th,
30 days later, I can go and I can start a new case and we'll have a new lean against a new owner. I don't think that's going to be the issue >> because they intend to clean up the property. They want to make money. They want to fix it up and sell it. So, I
don't think clients is really an issue with with this uh case. And if I look at that picture compared to today's picture already, it's >> it's already they've already progress, >> right? >> They've already attempted it to clean it up some. A lot of it's going to go when
they move. >> Correct. >> They have a lot behind the tarp is all coming with us. It is bulkier stuff. That's why it's not moved out of the open yet. One is a big toolbox. I got to
have special equipment to get it out of the back. That is why it is still there. That's why Okay, >> we had asked her if we could just put a tarp up. She told us we could >> and it would be good. That's what we did.
>> Okay. >> So, >> okay. And Pam explained that to me earlier when I was talking to her about how how do we remedy this >> because that's the concern is like you said Don is not being in compliance and I guess that's the only mechanism we
have >> is that we do that and not and there's nothing that for the new owner that if they don't bring it into compliance that we can increase it more than what we >> they're already at 50 a day which is more than than the minimum 25 a day,
right? The hearing officer 30 to 50 a day. You said >> so it's already higher than what it was. But no, there's there's >> you you have flexibility if you if you want to go the route that you suggested, which is go ahead and let them move on to closing as quickly as they can to get
everybody >> situated. And then she's correct. If they don't bring it into compliance, then she can go back and start a new case out or start up a new case. you just don't have much fine at that point. So, >> and and this is more I think again and I
think our attorneys have always told us this too is our code enforcement is not about making money. It's about enforcement and and compience and compliance and getting things um the way they should be. So, um do you want to
put Let me just ask you um a question with yours. Did it Did you put them to close within a certain amount of time? No, I just said at closing. >> At closing. >> So, >> okay. >> So, that'll give them a week or two. >> So, we have a proper motion in a second.
You're still good with your second. >> Okay, we're still good with our second. Do we have anything yet, Commissioner? >> So, does does the motion include the 30 days for compliance or has that been taken account? I mean, it was my understanding that the code officer was
just recommending that we um require the finding date closing and not have any requirement for compliance. >> Okay. Drop the compliance part. >> We'll just start over if we need to. >> Is there a second? >> Yes. >> Yes, there's a second. >> Yes. >> If Mr. Higgins needs clear title and
release of link, he's going to have to pay it before closing, >> right? >> You understand that? >> Okay. >> Can you pay it tonight? I can't pay tonight. >> Okay. >> We're just here to get you lean reduction. >> We could probably make arrangements prior to closing. >> Okay.
>> All right. >> Okay. Don, you're okay. >> We have a schedule for the 20th. >> Do we have Have we still put something in place that properly as best to our ability? >> Oh, you can do what you're doing. You can legally do what you're doing. >> I just want to make sure. I want to make
sure. Okay. So, we currently have a proper motion and a second. Madame Cler. Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Patito. >> Hi. >> Mayor. >> Hi. >> Thank you. And Mr. Richard, thank you
and your mother um for coming tonight for sitting through this. And we just wish you the best. I know for purposes um we just wish you the best in your new adventure and you know that we're going to hold you accountable. >> Thank you guys very much. I appreciate
that. I appreciate you guys. >> By the way, welcome to Crescent. Thank you. This is this is an item. >> Yes, we are. >> We got to do I got to do this for her health. >> We don't have Yes. My grandmother's 8
miles out. My uncle's 8 miles out. But neither one of them will come to her if she needs it. >> Right. >> We're out there. We got family and friend of friends that's going to come when she calls. >> That's my main thing.
>> She fell Friday morning. She was on the floor for 2 hours >> before she could get up. >> I'm I was 3 hours away. I did not know about it until 5:00 the Friday morning. Yeah,
>> she's stayed like that till I got in at 1 2:00 and then me and her went to the hospital. >> We wish you the best of luck. >> And please tell >> please tell Ben that he will be missed.
>> Thank you, Michelle. He's a good work. >> Have a good day. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay, at this point Tom, I'm going to take a recess seven minute recess. >> Does your money You go into a You cut Part: 2
We're live. >> Everybody meeting is back in order. >> Okay, let's move on. We've got code enforcement. Um the first code enforcement case, Miss Taylor, you would
start up. This case is for 100 Lakeshore Drive. It's George C. Miller III. These pictures were taking taken, excuse me, November 21st, 2006.
It's for the motor home crane. This p picture I was taken by myself on April 9th, 2026. This photo was also taken by myself on April 9th, 2026. the property.
Excuse me. From the looking in the file, I can only determine that the property was not in compliance on 126, 2006 and was possibly in compliance on
January 23rd, 2007. So that would make the fine $700. and staff is recommending to reduce it to zero because Mr. Miller wishes to sell his home so he can um
move on. Also, >> um I don't I didn't look at the property today, so I don't know what type condition it's in. I know he's got a tarp in the driveway where he was he's getting rid of a lot of things. Um donating a lot of them to
the thrift store and The administrative cost is $23.12. >> And there is a gentleman here that wants to speak whenever you're ready. Thank you. >> Yes. Go ahead.
Um I I move that we reduce the uh the fine to zero um in light of the you know the fact that we don't really have all of the you know information here and not really sure about compliance and plus the fact
that this was almost 20 years ago or yeah almost 20 years ago and also just to help uh expediate Mr. Miller's relocation. >> But um are we reducing the administrative cost also?
>> Yes. >> The the entire Okay, I will second that. >> So, yes, that's what the recommendation is. >> That's the motion is that there's no there's he pays nothing.
>> Right. And if I could just share with the commission, um Mr. Miller is in very poor health. He called me the day before yesterday. Um he was in Palaca Hospital. Um he is trying to relocate um to a
continuing care retirement facility. He's been hospitalized a number of times um in the last six months. He's um the same age as my late uncle. He's 80 years old. Um, so I I think these two cases
are pretty similar that we need to just facilitate um the property turnover. >> They're similar except for the fact that the last one that was here now, of course, they're not in compliance, but
they have a hardship need also. >> And we still charge them a portion um of that. And so that's my concern that you know we go back and forth and setting precedent and we talked about this some time ago about setting it to zero and
not including at least the administrative cost. >> Um >> Right. Right. Because the thing is it was 20 years ago. >> It was that brings on another question is um we don't really know. I think there has to be some different
clarification other than the fact that this is a hardship. So you're having I didn't not I didn't you didn't somebody I know you did >> somebody else did >> um so my concern is um with this Pam you
have no way of proving when he came into compliance. Correct. >> Correct. >> Because I read through the file it does not show that he was in compliance. I don't even know if he was in compliance on 12307. Was he? >> I don't know. >> Okay. I read some notes of Mr. um Bob
Shares who was the code enforcement at that time and it looked like he was still not in compliance. So we don't even know when he came into compliance. >> Is the property in compliance today? >> As far as I know >> in all in all aspects. Are there any other leans on the property? Is there any outstanding anything on the
property? I'm just thinking that we need to make some we need to make sure we have enough information here so that >> um and Mr. homes. >> Ma'am, >> do you have any um words of wisdom on this one?
>> Again, we need a policy and Mr. Martin, >> we've made notes of that, >> please. Yes. >> Yes, we've made notes of that. We're actually going to bring something hopefully in June. If I can't have one thing, sir, unless you have something to say. Sorry. >> Go ahead. No, go ahead, sir.
>> No, I I do recognize the fact that uh Dad You're you're talking about something that's very old, but you do seem to be pretty confident that there was a compliance date 12307.
>> Is that right? in the file it has a note see >> that >> yeah I mean >> there you you have in here there's you have in here there's a note that says that the file states that the fine will continue until the violations are
corrected not does not state when the violations were corrected. So that's that's problematic. Uh and that that would be more persuasive to me than the other factors that hardship factors and things. So I mean I I probably would
from my perspective could seem more concerned with trying to enforce this one than I did the other one. Although I do think it's very dangerous for you to wave admin costs. I mean she's got time. she had time for the last one and you know it's hard for me to talk about on
the one hand people aren't obeying your codes and they got motor homes in the yard and all of this and then when they come up here with a code case and say we reduce the fine we we reduce it so or wipe it out so just you know that's just >> say what fine
>> yeah exactly >> we'll find >> so >> can I add to that or ask a question I'm sorry ma'am thank you very much in In January of of 2027, what happens to this case?
>> It'll become null and void. >> So, what happens to the administrative cost at that time? >> They're null and void also. Okay. Thank you. There's a note in the file. It says board met fine continues and that was 12307.
some of these pictures here. This crane, and I don't know what was left when the board met because it doesn't explain in this note what was left. That crane was not on Mr. Miller's property. He
never should have been cited for it. >> Let me ask you a question. How often did you go out there and look that property over? >> As long as as you've been in in present city and as long as you've been in the >> I have been by there quite often. I've
cited Mr. Miller at least twice. >> Okay. >> Possibly three times in the past nine years. But he's always brought the property in compliance before it went to the code or the special magistrate. >> Did he not know this lean was in place?
He did not know and he's he's got bad health. I've talked to him in the city manager's office. We talked to him together. Uh he just would like a clear title now and he's aware that it would go away in January in case he can find a buyer for
his house immediately. >> I would not have I would have less heartburn about this one than I did the last one in terms of you zeroing it out. I mean, they're right. 20 years, the lean uh is no longer valid. Uh so, I
mean, you know, >> well, and if we talk about the administrative costs, you're tallying up administrative costs for back in 2006 and 2007, but you were you weren't here. We're charging them about this year rates, right? >> I calculated that my in my affidavit
cost based on your based on your rates or Mr. shared because we still the city still spent money on administrative costs. So is it based on his or yours? >> It was based on the price per hour. >> Okay.
>> But um 2007 I don't know what they charged. >> Okay. >> Yeah. One more point. >> I I'll open it up in just a moment. >> Thank you. >> Is there anything else you need to add to this, Pam? >> I don't think so. >> Okay. Commissioners, do you have any
more questions, Pam? Very good. Okay. If we have public comment at this time. Thank you. >> This is what we came for tonight. Charles B on behalf of of Skip Miller. I've known Skip a long time. I don't
recognize anybody here that grew up here. Maybe. Okay. Um then you'll remember and >> then you'll remember the the hurricanes of 2004. >> I was city commissioner then. Yes. >> The uh during the hurricanes 2004, Skip
Miller opened up his diesel reserves and let this city dip into his diesel reserves for 500 gallons. >> He wasn't thanked. He wasn't re compensated for this. And he never asked for any. But but what
sticks on him is the administrative cost in his time. Now, one option you can take is replace the uh 500 gallons of diesel. That's about $2,250 and just compensate,
take out for the five and pay in the balance. Um but I would he's not asking for that. But you should remember what he did for us when we were in a world of uh something bad. There was no replacement in the city. No
thanks. But you also had no sewage into our houses. He kept the sewage system in this city running by providing fuel that was not coming for another 10 days. I remember that too. Our power was out for 10 days.
So, I would just if if nothing else, just a small thank you to this man as he shuffles off to retirement. Just clear the decks on this and let him go. Thank you.
>> We have any other speakers? >> Okay, seeing no one come forward and close public comment. Okay, we have a motion to um reduce this to zero and we have a second. Um the motion was made by
Commissioner Lori. The second was made by Commissioner Devito. So I'm going to ask if there's no further discussion from anyone for a roll call. Commissioner Devito >> I. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi. >> Commissioner War >> I.
>> Commissioner Burton. I >> mayor >> Myers >> I >> Okay, >> it's reduced to zero. As we go forward, um please make sure that you bring something at the next meeting that gives us a mechanism so that we're not in a situation that we um while we are very
grateful and appreciative of everything that that Mr. Miller has done and we know he is a good man. He is a good man. We got a lot of good people here that we just have to be we have to be careful as we go down this path. So, please make sure that you give something in here so
that we have fair and equitable across the board. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Thank you. >> Okay, let's move on. >> All right, I can take it from here, man. >> Yes, sir. Go ahead. >> Thank you so much. All right, so next under our business items going to be Civic Plus. This is an updated talking
about the updated rates. Um, the way this came about, of course, was when we had talked about the LDC, why the LDC was not in our uh MUN code after we requested it. And so through further
investigation and lots of discussion, we found out that the reason it wasn't because they wanted a onetime fee. uh in looking at our account, they also realized that they have not build us in the last year for our online code access, which is uh formerly $450, and
our administrative support fee, which is formerly $350. With that being said, though, I do want to caveat that every year we are build $7,924.77 for social media archiving service. I did find that out. The last time we paid
this was in August of 2025. I'm going to investigate that a little bit further and I'm going to come back to you all on that. Um, additionally, they have a new um, benefit and they believe it would serve us better. Right now, we're paying
on a per page basis at those flat rate fees which we have not been build at. Um, I put in my briefing sheet for you. Let me get back to my briefing sheet. The online bundle is $1,195. That replaces separate online access and administrative fees and expands our
online capabilities with uni code with civic plus and an annual flat rate for supplementation which covers yearly supplementation for both code and unified code development. That's at $1,700. The ask tonight is for the
commission to approve us to move forward and getting the contract and vehicles set up for us to start in our new fiscal year after our budget season in October 1st with the total amount currently right now being at $2,895. Another large item that we have to
discuss which we will bring up in our budget in our budget season and our workshops coming up is a one-time LDC publication cost of $8,500. Right now I am not asking to spend that money or entertain it. We have to discuss that further and uh and I want to bring some more information to you
all in regard to that >> commission. >> So do you need a motion? >> Yes. >> So you want a motion payment this October? >> Um I have a a recommended motion at the bottom.
>> Oh, I do see that. Um, I'm we approved the annual recurring cost of $2,895 to all food bubble and flat rate supplementation services supplementation services with the new building beginning in October 2026 and direct staff to come back with the
proposed onetime $8,500 cost for initial land development code application for further discussion during the upcoming budget workshops. >> I have a second. I'll second that. Okay, we have a proper motion and second. Do we have any um discussion?
>> Um mayor, if I could. >> I just want to ask for clarification from the city manager. So, as I understand it, the 200895, >> if you look at the first page of your reaping sheet, that is items one and two
added together. The online bundle subscription. Yes. >> And the annual flat rate for supplementation. >> So, it would be covered. Yes. And then the other thing that I heard you say, but I wasn't sure I understood it correctly. What about that archiving for social media?
>> That is something that's been reoccurring here in the city for a while and it was build out last year and we paid it in August. >> We paid it August of >> of 2025. >> 25. >> Yes. >> So, and that is also performed by the same company.
>> That is performed by the same company. >> Okay. And I I need to do homework on my end to find out how many years we've been paid that how long that's been going on and and really everything that entails what that's getting what we're getting which I believe um I believe
what they had wrote in here is that it it creates um archives service archives for our social media platforms in case so we're in compliant in case we have foyer requests should we get one. That's >> we all understand that because that's why we're not on social media as
individual commissioners, it's expensive to archive. Okay. >> So to to have that Facebook page, it's my understanding we have to have the archive. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's what I wanted to ask. Thank you. >> And from from my conversations with the representative right now, of course,
we're paying per page. So if we have a lot of work, we're going to get bigger bills. Those flat fees are just the subscriptions. When we do this 28.95, we'll be able to send them everything weekly and they're not going to charge us anything extra so we can load them up.
>> I am a little concerned about the 8500 for the LDC. Just saying that out loud. >> Well, that was my next question. I mean, if we go in and we do this and we're changing our account with them, do you not have any negotiation power with that? I mean, can you work on that because that's very important that we
get that. Yes, >> that's very important >> and I and I will that's something that that's the first thing I'm going to do. Um >> a good foot forward is is adding these new uh these new subscriptions and uh and then moving forward with
negotiations on see if we can save any money there. So yes ma'am >> they do have kind of a mouth weight on them. >> They do they do they do >> and they keep buying other companies. The other question and I'm sorry I'm always learning and I appreciate all teaching you things but the LBC has to
be publicly put out correct >> our land development code. >> What do you mean publicly put out? >> Well um we have it on our website. Does it have to legally go into the MUN code and be codified there? >> So I'm just wondering
>> yeah it's passed as an ordinance that's already law. Okay. >> But the classification uh you may have an ordinance that says that you that you're requiring yourselves to put everything in the MUN code. I don't know. But it is a it is a law when they pass and adopt it.
>> Okay. So, >> so I'm just wondering if we have to spend the money for that or if we can dedicate a page on our website, which we are going to bring to you all in June, the upgrade and the cost that we're looking at doing if we can just dedicate a page to our LDC and have facts in
there on the LBC. >> Well, let's look into that. Let's look into that because the only thing about the community code is it cross references, right? >> So, if you have it in there, you've got cross reference. If you don't have it in there, it's not cross referencing with anything. So you're not sure >> conflicts >> if there's conflict which we've already
>> fair enough >> come across. >> Fair enough. >> So >> okay so we have a proper proper motion on on the table and a second. >> Commissioner I. >> Vice Mayor Lori >> I.
>> Commissioner Moore >> I Commissioner Burton. >> Hi. >> Mayor Myers. >> I Okay. So approved. Go on to the next one. >> Thank you mayor. The next one, of course, you have my briefing sheet for security related building upgrades. Uh this is funding request for security enhancements. The purpose of this is uh
to approve funding needed to implement prior priority safety and security upgrades city facilities consistent with the issues discussed during our April 15th close session held pursuant to Florida regarding security system plans. Um background is of course during the
closed session staff reviewed the city's current security posture and identified several needs to improve readiness and protection of employees, visitors and city assets. And so I am asking the commission to approve uh 12,000 for us to utilize for our building security
upgrades which will include minor access control improvements, new security lock replacements, expanded key card possible key card access points, door hardware updates, interior and exterior visibility and safety measures. uh safety related signage, emergency equipment mounting and facility
readiness improvements and also contingency for minor installation and uh configuration cost and of course updated security systems. Uh the $12,000 can be accommodated within our current fiscal budget under the better place uh fund or the discretionary fund as other
people call it as well. No amendment is anticipated unless directed by the commission. >> Um mayor, I'd like to make a motion. >> Okay. Commissioner Devito has made a motion to accept motion because
I want to make a specific motion. I move to approve the expenditure of $12,000 from the better place fund for security related building upgrades presented by
staff as follows. And I want to include in my motion the five bulleted items. One, two, three, four, five at the top page the city manager just read and authorize the city manager to proceed with procurement and implementation.
>> I'll second that. >> We have a proper motion by um Commissioner Devito and a second by Commissioner Lori. Commissioners, do you have any discussion? >> Any input on this? I don't see cameras. >> Pardon me. Huh? >> That's in there
>> where I don't see cameras and would that be under security systems? Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. I want to make sure that we've got I've asked for cameras for five and a half years. >> We've we've got quotes on it. Several companies we know which one we're going to go with. We're ready to go.
>> Okay. We're ready to go. >> I just want to make sure that we have cameras that actually work. >> Yes. >> And that we can grab information from. >> Yes. And we will have that uh live video feed. >> Okay. And um the only thing um and I'll be honest, we we've discussed this. The
only thing we're going to have to come back later after we do the budget is the security access key cards. We've got several quotes from companies. That doesn't change our security apparatus or what we're doing. We'll still be able to have success with what we want. That was something we added. So, we'll be good.
>> Okay. If there's no further discussion, Commissioner Burton, I >> Commissioner Moore. >> I Vice Mayor Lorie. I >> commissioner I >> mayor Myers >> I are approved. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you mayor. May I proceed ma'am? >> Yes sir. >> Thank you very much. The next on our list is on your briefing sheet we have ARNET uh ARNET being the website. Arnet level one arburedum accreditation. The purpose of this is of course level one armed accreditation recognizes
organizations that meet foundational standards of an arboritum. It signals a formal commitment to tree care, public engagement and collection management. Um, cities, parks, schools, universities, cemeteries, zoos, and entire towns worldwide participate in the program. Um, this is something that
has been recommended and brought to uh the commission by our tree and garden board. Um, I have laid out the requirements for what the accreditation entails. Uh, it is a free process. Um, you have to have an arburedom plan, a governing group, a designated manager.
um a labeled plant collection which I know I had spoken individually with you all in my meetings about this. The only cost that could come about uh is in the uh labeling of the 25 different taxa. However, there are free options through
ARNet's website to be able to do it for free through their website. Um it it can be it can be as detailed or as minimal as possible. We have a couple plans if that's approved for us to kind of look at some of these options and of course also annual tree retreat related event.
Most of the items if not all we currently already have. The only thing that would need to be outlined directly would be an arburedom plan from the tree and garden board. Governing group we already have through the tree and garden board. Designated manager can be a volunteer or or a staff member. We
already have a couple people that had said that they would volunteer to do that from the from residents from the city. The label plant collection which I just talked about and of course our annual public tree related event which currently we have arbor day so that would cover that. Um the application
process once submitted online of course there is no fee. It usually takes about four weeks to get a decision. Um accreditation is valid for 5 years and it can also be upgraded. I will tell you from my research and talking to uh my
state representative right now with FDAX. I love my acronyms, but that is where we got our $5,000 >> Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. >> Thank you very much, ma'am. Um they did say that that that having an arburedom does hold weight when it comes to getting further grants for our tree
canopy. If it's something we're going to look at into later, it it might be able to help us. I don't know how much, but it was said that it does hold weight. Um I gave examples of of course public engagement activities and of course my recommendation is uh for allowing us to
pursue the ARB net level one to enhance our public engagement strengthen the tree program in the city. >> Thank you. >> Yes ma'am. >> Okay. Commissioners, >> do you want to discuss this first before we
>> um Go ahead. I've make a motion that we accept the city manager's recommendation to apply to ARBNet for um level one artum uh status and I assume did you have a
specific location in mind? I can't find mine. It it it can actually be citywide. One thing that we were discussing um was the creation of a digital map that can be put on the website that will actually take care of our um taxa and labeling
the taxa through a digital platform. It's actually the cheapest way to do it. >> Um so then I'll just finish my motion with the lo the precise boundaries to be determined by the city manager. >> Yes. >> Second.
>> Okay. Do we have a proper motion by Commissioner Devito and a second by Commissioner Loring? Do we have any discussion? >> And you're saying that that you can get this free the labeling? >> Yes, ma'am. And the plan is actually pretty simple. Using Google Maps, we can
actually create a Google map walkway. And the biggest thing is that most of these taxa, most of these trees are in our parks. So, we can really kind of showcase our parks and tell people here's where you can go to seeoom. Is this going to place any restrictions on homeowners?
>> No, it is not. Not at all. >> It's only on on public property. >> Public property. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. >> And it's not just trees, it's plants. Correct. It's not just trees. >> So, Eva Lion Park already has about 20 tax. It It has the majority. >> Yeah. And then, of course, our new trees
that we have over on our walkway and some park. >> Correct. >> Right. My map is not hard to make. Um, apparently we have something that's been identified as very special. The um, scikat the um, kundi
>> firm. The community firm. >> It's actually not a firm fern. That's a psyched but what people refer to as I know >> um apparently um it appears that that would count as a taxa and those are considered um very
notable something that you would want to let people who are interested in gardening know that you have so um anyway okay thank you a lot of different things okay we have no further discussion I'll open it up for public comment we have anybody in the audience
that would like to comment on Seeing no one come forward, I'm going to close public comment. Um, >> Commissioner I, >> Vice Mayor Lori, >> I, >> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi,
>> Mayor Myers. >> Hi. >> So, approve. So, thank you. >> Okay. Next. >> Thank you, ma'am. Next, you have a briefing sheet. It has It's called project economic development rehabilitation project. Um when when Steve and I was working with our
counterparts that we were u finalizing a report on some financial policies and and uh having a good discussion, we we actually asked one of the representatives from FSU, one of the students who currently works on the state level with ARPA um to see if she
could look at some of our obligations and in our report because Steve and I wasn't really sure. We just haven't done one of those closeout reports before. Um, I know I haven't. And I think last time Steve did the review, it was Brohart that that did the report. >> Yeah, him and I worked on it.
>> Okay. And this is our SLFRF compliance report for 2026. Um, the period report ends in March. This was due by April 20th. Uh, we had it completed prior to that deadline. In that we also found that there were
funds left over in ARPA that were not utilized because other appropriations were utilized in lie of for some of the water lines that took care of the replacement of fire hydrants that we originally had money for. Sorry for that
word salad. So um with that being said when we did the math it came out to a little bit under 90,000. I think it was 89,000 in change or 88,000 in change. Almost 89,000. What Steve and I did in the proper reporting was that we took the monies and we um put in current period
obligations and current expenditures under the economic development rehabilitation project. Long story short, the city has almost $89,000 to spend specifically on the rehabilitation of commercial properties for economic development impact to stimulate, excuse
me, small business development. So, we have that money available to us and we have it until December 31st of 2026 this year. >> This year >> to spend >> Wait, wait a second. That's who's
>> So, they're they're going to allow us to reallocate that $88,000. >> Correct. >> And that's for us to determine how we're going to reallocate that money. Correct. >> Correct. And so what what's your recommend your recommendation is?
>> The recommendation >> little I'm a little confused here. >> Okay. The recommendation is is is so you had two projects two projects that were still open. All the rest were closed. And I've said I've given you a report um that shows that uh our our recipient
profile. So under the ambulance station feasibility that was already closed out that had nothing left for obligations expenditure 00 that was already done. The other was the economic development rehabilitation projects that was still open and showing at less than 50%.
>> Less than 50% >> utilized. >> Correct. Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> The other was the South Main Water main project that was already expended and finished. >> Okay. >> Prospect Street, of course, that one was already finished as well. And then the
other was North Main Water made design that was completed and spent. The one that had money left, the other was the fire hydrant repair and replace. We had originally repair replace 22 leaking or non-functioning fire
hydrants. We currently have three fire hydrants that were not replaced that were purchased that are sitting at public works ready to be put in the ground. I don't know why they weren't or what the issues were at the time. However, we have funds that we can expend to put those in the ground and
take care of those for upgrade and whatever funds are left, we have to put into the availability to put those into commercial properties for economic development. >> Mayor, could I ask a question? >> Yes. This is where I get confused.
This the money that is left is from fire hydrant repair in place that says expenditure subcategory provision of government services. But you seem to be saying now the money that is left from
this can only be used for repairing and replacing commercial properties for economic development. That is where that is where we put it in the report. the main thing knowingly because we can go in and change that when we do a final report before the interview.
>> That's where the confusion is because you're telling us where we're going to spend this money is what that appears to be. >> That was the only option left because all the others were closed out. >> Okay. So that's all that they will allow us to put this money into is for that.
>> Yes. Correct. >> Well, that makes more sense. That makes more sense. Okay. >> We have to obligate it. >> Yes. >> Right. So that that's okay. I'm sorry. It's just a little confusing. >> Right. So mayor, if I could, we're talking about seems to be these pages
aren't numbered, but it seems to be on the second page. Project name economic development rehabilitation projects. That's the one we're talking about that the money can go to. >> That the money can be allocated to. Reallocated to. Yes. >> Okay. And may I ask a followup question?
Yes. So, we have to spend this money by this December. >> If we do not spend it, we have to give it back. >> We've been talking about that those dates for a long time. >> All Okay. All the way through ARPA. Okay. Got it. Now, thank you. Thank you,
Mayor. Thank you, everybody. >> Okay. >> My my ask is that you allow us time to bring into June some projects for us to to to discuss and to approve. Uh, another thing that was brought up on a a couple occasions um by some of the
commissioners is that we could have utilized these funds in some of the commercial buildings um for economic development. Uh otherwise that the CRA funds couldn't touch either because we're too low in funds or the scope may be outside of what is allowable through
that grant. So we can try to fill gaps if you will with that money. Is this something that can be used? Say we have some properties that for some whatever reason at some point would they're in the CRA >> but they're they opted out.
>> Yes. >> Is could this money be used for that >> for rehabilitation? Yes. >> I just want to make sure clarification. I just want to make >> limited by the CRA >> and I will say that the reporting apparatus um for this and talking with
Steve and seeing what's been done in the past before um it is it is very light we could make an easy case on what we are going to spend the funds on and there there really shouldn't be an issue. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And so you're going to come back to us with a recommendation? >> Yes, ma'am.
>> So do we really need to do anything on this? Yes. >> Yes, sir. Mr. times >> your your time is extremely short. >> If you think about the prospect of some form of competitive bidding or uh
some form of appropriate purchasing for the goods and services and then spending the money >> and you're already you're you're at six months right now. >> You're you're really really really
short. Well, I I can I can say this. I I know that right now just and this isn't taken into consideration south. Um but the central CRA, we have literally $30,000 left. Two of the applicants ate
that $30,000 up with their request already. That's what's that what started the conversation of doing it a little different this year. We have a building that was just purchased right now from a person here in town that he was a little kind of I wouldn't say disappointed, but
came in the meeting and what we can give him through the CRA isn't going to touch what he needs. >> He now can possibly if we contact him can come to the commission and ask for maybe some more funds because the amount of money that he's specifically going to put in that building is going to far
exceed anything we're going to give him. He's going to be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars and maybe he asked for 50 to help with putting a roof or putting something else. That's something we're going to bring to you all. And then of course time frame time time frame wise we would be within that limit. We got to spend the money before
December. >> So I guess my question is how are you going to go about allocating or giving the money in a way that u doesn't show favoritism to to one property owner. You
>> correct? You're going to have a application process. I mean, you're you're saying you're you're blending it over to CRA, which is, you know, you say you're going to use a CRA as your selection uh process for
determining who gets ARPA funds. Okay, mayor, if I could suggest I'm just going to throw this out, just my background over the years of ARPA. Um, when I go to League of Cities meetings, I talk to other commissioners and mayors
about what they are doing with their ARPA funds. Um, there have not been a lot of tight requirements. Um, cities did a variety of things. One city just gave out the money like per
household. Yeah. And um what the city manager seems to be suggesting is that using a CRA application pro I mean using an existing CRA interest or application would be kind of
equivalent to the shovel ready um status that we get when we engage the engineer. In other words, we have a need to spend the money. Um, it it just seems to me this would not be unusual for ARPA funds if we had people who were in line
and wanted to do things and had already engaged with the city and that we chose the most shovel ready, construction ready projects to move things forward. Um, it doesn't sound to me like that
would be out of line as a criteria to use for our funds. My only concern is that you pick out a person or an owner and you say, "We're going to give you 50 grand and I've got three other owners." You've got three other owners out there say, "Wait a minute.
>> I don't get a chance at this money." So the last time and we used ARPA money for this and we um we did um economic development projects and that's where some of that I mean the music store we
we took care that we took care of commercial property on central and used a lot of the CRA money more for residential um for residential and not for that. So, go ahead. >> Well, I'm just going to say, so you're
going to bring back things back in June, right? >> Yes. Time is of the essence. I want to bring it back in June. >> Well, you're going to have to. >> Yes, absolutely. I mean, we're discussing what what we all kind of need, but why don't we wait till June, see what we've got. So basically,
um I I think though that we need to do Do you need a motion from us to tell us that that's where that money is going to to reallocate that money to that? >> No, I don't need you. Okay. Make sure you don't need anything from us. >> Yes, Commissioner.
>> No, I just said sounds good to me and I agree with Commissioner. >> We were kind of forced that that was the only place we could we could really >> But I also understand where Don's coming from. So as we go forward, we have to be very careful that we're not showing favoritism that these are um competitive
that this >> but we'll see that once we see what what's kind of happening. >> I mean the city could the commission could vote to split that money between all the business owners, but I don't know how you would make them do anything that would spur the economic. >> Well, you also have to get the money
spent, right? That's what I'm trying to I'm trying to express. My concern is that you're going to wait till June, >> talk about it, talk about it. Then you say, "Well, we're going to make an application process and it going to be in July." >> Well, can
we have people applying for? >> Let me let me ask this question. Is there a way because I know the reporting apparatus is really >> I'm sorry. I know the reporting apparatus is really light. I know that we've had discussions about what they've
asked for, you know, in their audit or whatever and it's it's very very light. My question is if it has to be spent before then can ARPA can ARPA transfer or give that money to the CRA because the CRA
>> No, that can't happen like that. Okay. Because the CRA can then be okay. All right. >> If I could go ahead. >> ARPA is a piece of lent. Sorry. ARPA is a piece of legislation. It's not an entity. It's that I think it's administered by the federal
department of the Treasury. ARPA stands for um American Recovery, whatever act. So, it's not an entity. And we I guess my >> I agree with Commissioner Burton. I think that if you bring us um if you
bring us proposals that property owners have made whether they're in the CRA or not to rehabilitate commercial properties for economic development impact and to stimulate small business development then we should make an effort to fund whatever is ready to go.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> That's my take on it. I don't know about the rest of the commission and maybe Don will tell us we can't do that. No, I'm I'm just telling you that >> the time is of the essence. It's >> every good deed, >> right?
>> So, if you've got applications already in the wings, you've already waited them and you've already decided how you going to allocate money if you had it and now you've got money, then I think you're good to go. If not, then it may take you longer than you think it's going to take to get >> Well, at least try. We don't want
>> No, I was I was not where I was going. I was going on May 14th right now. Yeah. Can >> you go ahead and call a special meeting for the end of May to try to see where you are with this? Try to gain two weeks on it. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. That's up that's up to you. >> We supposed to We're supposed to have all applications in by June 1st. >> By June 1st. Correct.
>> That's all applications come in through the CRA by June 1st just like we did last time and then we went around and we assessed all the applications. >> Okay. So, you already have a deadline for applications. >> Yes. Okay. We for June 1st. So those will come in and then that and then if
we find that we exceed that amount in the CRA that's when we can go into this other monies and possibly utilize and utilize that to to >> fill in the gap. >> Fill in the gaps. >> Yes. Absolutely. >> Absolutely.
>> Just like we did before. >> Okay. >> Okay. But I mean, mayor, we we need to spend our money. >> We know that even more rapidly than We've all said that. >> We've all said that. So have to do those things that can be done in a time
>> enough needs. >> Yes. >> Okay. Workshops, budget timeline. Let's get on with this. So do you have recommendations? Somebody have recommendations for us? >> Everybody's >> Sorry, I hate to move y'all forward, but
this is the city manager's item. So I'm asking that's why I'm asking who who who who has the recommendations for some and which ones do you need for >> So I was I was asking staff to give me the timeline from last year. Um but
basically we only need three dates three workshops just for the general the general um >> the general fund. >> Okay. When we all be ready for that June >> and we and we're ready to start right away. We've already started our process so we're ready to bring you >> Okay, commissioners. Let's get our
calendars out. >> Anybody have any recommendations? >> 20th of May. >> What? >> 28th and the 29th of May. >> Okay. I am not available until June 4th. >> Okay. June 4th.
>> Yeah. >> June 4th. >> I wouldn't I I don't think I am available for a meeting until June 5th. Can I guarantee you that >> about June 10th? >> June 10th. No. Well, we can do it. I have to >> I don't not June 10th.
>> Actually, is there a possibility we can do the first meeting uh June June 12th? Friday. June 12th. >> Friday. >> Yes. >> You're going to do that to us. >> I just I just think that we're in agenda week that week and the week prior. So, that's the day after we have the commission meeting. >> Absolutely.
>> Are you kidding me? >> All in one week rather than stretching it all out. >> Okay. you guys if you guys are okay. >> So let's do it. So what time do you want >> it's whatever is good for you may
after being here till 11 o' >> I will rush it a little bit. >> Oh no. >> I would prefer it I would prefer it in the morning and so we can get it over with Friday. Now, I will tell you this first meeting,
>> this first meeting here until 11:00 the night before, >> the >> I'm sorry. I'm not going to go home and get up in less than eight hours and be here for a meeting. >> 8 hours. >> We have to think of >> whatever. Y'all just give us a time for heaven's sakes. It's fine. I mean, what
time do you want to do? 1:00 on a Friday afternoon. >> That's fine. >> One o'clock sounds great. >> Which Friday? The 12th. The 12th and the 12th. All right. >> Also in that discussion. So,
>> and how many workshops are you going to have that day? You having on on items? You said you need three. >> I need three total. Okay. >> So, that's going to cover the first one for the general >> one on that one. >> Yes. And we're going to need basically we're going to need three for each one
of our funds. >> What? >> We're going to need three meetings. Three Three meetings for each one of our funds. So say nine budget workshop >> between now and September or August. Yes, I believe so. >> I'm not really sure I understand that rationale
>> at least tenatively a day. We may not need them and I and I feel this year we're going to be much tighter and better better suited to bring a numbers to you all much quicker report. >> Who's ever had nine workshops on? >> Well, okay. >> But that's okay. Whatever you need. So let's move on. So what do we have the
the following week in June? What does anybody have the following week? availability 17th. >> The 17th. >> I can't do the 16th. >> How does the 16th look for everyone? >> What time? 8 8 a.m. 6:45 a.m.
>> What do you think? >> 10:00 a.m. or 100 p.m. is best suited for the clerk. >> Okay. >> I say 100 p.m. >> on the 16th. >> On the 16th.
Okay. And we're going to give you So, right now, we're going to give you three dates. Okay. >> Okay. >> So, let's give a third one, everybody. >> Next week, >> June 18th. >> Um, I can do it I can do it the morning of June 18th. I can't do it the
afternoon of June 18th. I had um with these Florida League cities. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Planning. Okay. They have planning and voting that day. If you don't have a >> summer planning,
>> so what about Thursday the 25th? >> I would uh that's getting really close to our we don't know what we're going to have to our red light and boom. Yes, >> that's I I would like to tie one of the meetings uh most likely the the probably
the first one to our our budget halfyear amendment to the budget. >> See, I asked you that's why I asked you how workshop are you going to need? >> I think we could we can we can have a meeting after the workshop for that. >> You want a special meeting
on the 12th? >> We're back on the 12th and now you plug jam in another one. >> All right. We'll move it to the second one. I'm sorry. >> No, that's better. >> No, we need to get it done. We need to get it done. >> So, >> so I'm going to do that one at 3:00.
Okay. So, we'll do the special meeting, the special meeting at 3:00 so that we can possibly >> on the 12th. Okay. So, we've got the 16th. What does everybody look like on the 23rd of June?
I I I'd really like to do it in that two week stretch. >> Okay. >> Um >> so that we kind of group these together so we're not spread out throughout the month. >> Right. And mayor, is there a possibility we could do Thursday the 25th? I think
I'm going to have family in town the first part of that week. >> I I don't know that. We've got a lot going on and and we're might be short staffed and we've got red light and boom. So that's going to put a lot of strain on >> those that are involved in that including the city manager.
>> So the 23rd. >> Yeah. >> Tuesday. >> You think you're you think you can't do it on the 23rd? I think that's a definite possibility. But you can't. Correct. >> Okay. Um what about the 18th? The
morning of the 18th. Can anybody do it in the morning at 10 o'clock on the 18th? >> I can do that one. >> Okay. Can we do that, Commissioner Burton? Everybody good on that? >> I'm sorry. For what? >> The 18th at 10 o'clock in the morning.
>> As far as staff goes, that afternoon, that evening is planning on something. Correct. >> Well, that's right. You They didn't want to do that. We We Morning's fine. Mayor, do you have an agenda yet for that meeting? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay, you do.
>> Okay. >> Today, I'm going to be fine, mayor. >> Okay. If everybody's good with that. Okay, let's move on. >> So, we've given you three dates. >> You're good. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. >> We'll see where that gets us. We'll be be good.
>> Okay, let's move on. We've got um Huh. >> on the 18th. We're doing at 10 o'clock. >> 10 a.m. Um okay. So, let's move on to our approval of our minutes. Everyone has minutes in front of them. you've had a
chance to look through these minutes. Um I I must say these minutes, thank you. >> They you did a great job on these minutes that um >> they were great. I was very nice oneliners.
>> We have um so what you have in front of you, you have April 9th, 2026 city commission meeting >> um at 6 do we have? Yeah, at 6 p.m. So, >> I move that we approve the April 9th,
2026 regular commission meeting minutes. >> Okay. >> As presented >> as presented. Okay. We have a proper motion. Do I have a second? >> Um, I'll second. And mayor, I have a question. >> Okay. >> Um, I sent this morning corrections and
additions to the city manager and I asked him to distribute them to the commission. Did were those received? I have no idea. >> The clerk did not receive those. Um, >> Commissioner Devito, did you get
directions to >> I have no idea. I didn't know who was functioning as clerk. I sent them to the city manager. >> I told them yesterday I would send them. I sent them this morning. >> We didn't get them. >> Okay. >> We didn't get them. So right now I
currently have um a motion for approval as presented and a second. Is there any other discussion on that? Um well I have two corrections for these minutes that I would suggest. Um on page
five under the fire station architect services um does not says the city manager presented the proposed architectural services contract. Um, it doesn't say doesn't mention Mr. Taylor reviewed the contract and took questions from the
city commission and city attorney. I would suggest that we add that because that was a significant part of the meeting. Um, as well on page seven um, under firework contribution and
contract approval said city manager Martin presented firework contracts proposals from Santory Fireworks. I would suggest adding for red, white, and boom at the end and possibly for New Year's Eve if the yach club can commit
to fundraising for the cost because it does not say what they were. >> Ma'am, interrupted. Do you do you know the date that you said that this morning? >> This morning. >> What time this morning? >> 10:37.
Um at this point, >> Commissioner Lori, you you made a motion. You have a motion as presented. So, do you want to amend your motion >> or do to to include those two or you want to go forward with your motion? >> With your motion. Okay. We currently
have a a motion and a second. Um I'm going to do a roll call if we can, please. >> Commissioner Devito. >> So, the >> He's got a motion. No, he's got a motion right now. He's presented. >> Vice Mayor Lori.
>> Hi, >> Commissioner Moore. >> I, >> Commissioner Burton, >> I Myers, >> I. >> Thank you. >> Okay, those are so approved. Okay, let's move on to the next one. We've got April 15, 2026. This is a special meeting.
>> This was a workshop. It's a workshop. I apologize. It's a workshop. Oh, >> I've got the >> We've got I think two separately. >> Yeah, the special meeting and work. >> Yes, special meeting and a workshop. >> And the special meeting minutes for
barely anything for them because that was a close session. Correct. So, I move that we approve the Wednesday, October 15th city commission special meeting minutes as presented. >> Okay, we have a proper motion um to
approve those. July the 2nd. >> Second. >> Okay. We have a proper motion from Commissioner Lori to approve the minutes as presented and a second by Commissioner Burton. Do we have any further discussion? >> Commissioner Burton. >> I. >> Commissioner Moore. >> I.
>> Commissioner Devito. >> Hi. >> Mayor Myers. >> I approve. >> Okay. We're going to move on to the April 22nd 20. >> We got the workshop. April 15, 2026 workshop.
>> Where is that? >> April 22nd. Is it two? April 22, correct? >> April 15th. Is that what was provided? >> I'm working on two different ones. So, I apologize. >> Right. Yeah.
>> This is Yeah, this was >> this was a workshop. >> Okay. So, can I get a motion, please? I move that we approve the city commission workshop minutes from April 15th. >> I'll second. Okay, we have a proper motion and a second.
>> Do we have any further discussion? >> We these are the workshop minutes, not the special meeting. >> Okay, >> we talked about the golf course. >> Okay, that's fine. Okay, >> I vice mayor. I,
>> Commissioner Moore. >> Hi, >> Commissioner Burton. >> Hi, >> Mayor Myers. >> Hi, >> sir. Approved. >> Now, April 22nd. >> Now, we're going to the April 22nd Commission workshop at 1 p.m. >> That was one. >> That was the one. >> I move that we approve the April 22nd
workshop minutes as presented. >> We have a proper motion and a second. Do we have any discussion? No discussion, Madame Clerk. the April 22nd workshop.
>> Who's seconded? Mayor me. >> Thank you very much. >> Commissioner Burton. >> I. >> Commissioner Moore. >> I. >> Vice Mayor Lori. >> Hi. >> Commissioner Devito. >> I. >> Mayor Myers. >> I approve. So approved. Now we're going to go to the April 22nd
>> special meeting. >> Special meeting that was immediately following that. >> She did that also. Okay, I need a motion. >> I move that we approve the April 22nd special meeting minutes as presented.
>> Okay. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> I have a motion and second, Commissioner De. >> Yeah, I have a question about that. >> Um, it doesn't list anyone from the fire department being there. It's my memory that that was Captain Demaduke.
And um, these were my chief. Wasn't he there? He wasn't. And then on the second page it says fire chief Joe Razer's report. I don't think he was there. He's not listed in the roll call. And I think that Captain Demaduke was there and
spoke to us because he had to wait all through the workshop because of a problem with the advertisement. >> The city manager smoke spoke on behalf of um chair razer's report. >> Okay. But it so it's very confusing. But
it's my understanding that Captain Deuke was there. Shouldn't he be included in the roll call? >> Yes, I think so. >> He he actually was not here during he he was not here during the roll call. He came after because he had to leave and I called him when we were getting closer
to the time when he needed to be here. But he was here for the meeting. >> So will you amend? Do you want >> your motion? Okay. to include that change >> and also >> shouldn't we say fire chief's report
given by the city manager >> well it sounds like here wasn't >> so you just amended it to include >> call my second >> okay you have a proper motion and a second you would please do a roll >> commissioner Burton I
>> commissioner Moore I >> Vice Mayor Lorie >> I commissioner >> Devito No. >> No. >> Mayor Myers. >> I s approved. >> Okay. Thank you. Let's move on to the city manager's report. >> Is there any questions on the city
manager report? Do you have anything that you need to share with us? >> Um, yes. Just an update um on a couple important things. Historic FDOT signs that you all approved um should have been delivered um already, but I'm I'm anticipating actually receiving them by
tomorrow. uh we'll be given a a call to the company um to see get an updated status. We already started our citywide tree canopy lift. Um we did end up saving the $4,000 as I promised I I would try to do. Um so instead of having it be 12,000, we were only spending
$8,000. Public works and I came up with a plan to utilize that material. Uh as well >> I need to ask you a question. Go ahead. >> Is that the guy with the green like green lift thing that's driving around town? >> I I believe so. Okay. I was wondering because there's no markings on any of
his vehicles. I just wondering. >> Okay. >> But that's who that was because he drove by my house today and I'm quite what was going on. >> Maybe one of the vehicles I haven't seen. >> He was down on South Prospect today whenever I drove out. Um so I'm just
>> I think it was by the I didn't get an additional insured. I got us on the insurance. >> Okay. So, the only concern I have is that I saw them when when are our guys picking up their debris? Because I saw the two guys and they took logs and they
were throwing them up on people's property. So, when are our guys coming behind them otherwise you're going to get some? >> I I I agree 100%. My discussion and my wish uh and what I had uh talked with public works about
was making sure that we went daily. So for them for you to tell me they were loading without our guys being there, they were supposed to give us a note of where they were based on the map that we had. So I will get with Pete tomorrow. >> I guarantee it was them, but whenever I was driving out, I saw them in the
middle of the road and they were up above in the canopy. Okay. >> And I saw them pick up on on >> there was supposed to be a very coordinated effort. I will check tomorrow on that. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. >> Just making sure that that they're coordinating with us. Yes, ma'am.
>> No, I just trying to figure out that's when we came back from Walaka on Wednesday. They were down on Grand Rondo East and I was wondering who that was, but then they came by the house. >> That stuff is still >> okay. Okay. All right. It'll be
addressed. Thank you. Thank you for letting me know. Um, one of the biggest things I I put in here, I wanted to let you all know way ahead of time. Um, I'll get to it. It's under the water section
>> or waste waste water. >> We'll get there. >> Upcoming. Yes. Upcoming on the radar. If you scroll to that, um the city's existing permit expires in February 2027 and all required documents and plans for the upcoming cycle have to be completed
by August of this year. Right. >> Two new components are now required in the submission cycle. That's power outage contingency plan. That plan requires a detailed inventory of all of our lift stations, associated backup generators, and power failures. um all the responsible personnel as well and
maps of our station will have to be um updated. Uh due to file size limitations, emailing these maps, city is going to have to obtain a diamond map subscription. And so that along with the collection system action plan, the
5-year plan are the two new items. Um I'm just bringing this to you all because we're going to have to incorporate these in our upcoming discussions for our budget cycle. >> Well, it maps is really cheap. It's not crazy expensive, but it costs money and >> $4 a month for an enterprise for because
they based it on the size of town. I looked at it today. >> Correct. >> So for 2500 population town, which we're not even, it's $40 a month. >> A month. Right. >> So I mean, and that's for enterprise. That's for everybody to have a login so the men in the field can use it and
someone on computer here can be adding the lines. And so it really seems like it and it's it's really something that we should have had a long time ago. I think the the biggest cost is going to be in our smoke detection and that's where where that's where we're going to spend some money is the smoke testing and of course the uh communication with
the public and making sure that everybody is aware of what's happening, what's going on. Um so those are things that that I wanted to bring your attention. We have to require our FD or we have to finish the required FTP templates for both the power outage contingency and the collection plan. And
um we're are going to work with Midtower CPH to finalize a couple of these things as well. >> It doesn't say that we have to have power at every lift station. We just have to have a plan which we have. We just don't have a written down. Correct.
>> Technically. Correct. Because we've had that since 2004 when we drive around generator. >> Another hot topic is the central business district. Want to bring that up next week. that's going to be a discussion on ENZ. Um, and so they've
updated mapping. They have a plan. I will be putting out circulating to you all tomorrow the uh Q&A or the fact sheet that was put together for that so you all can see that and then if uh with your permission I'd like to also put on our on our website as soon as possible
and share it on Facebook page if that's something. >> Yeah, that's I think that's important. >> Okay. Okay. as well as for the minimum maintenance standards which is that that's discussed at the workshop. >> Right. You're supposed to get that out so that we can you go ahead and get that out so that we can hear that at the June
at the June maintenance standard. >> Oh yes. And to update you on that. I had a note on here to update you. So again, thank you for helping me find the digital file. I'm about 50% complete with getting it up to date. What I'm going to do as well is I've
also tracked all the changes so you all can see the original file and I'll also save and have an accepted file which is a clean file and then we can decide what to do from there. I can put that up on the site or whatever you wish to make. >> I don't know if you all want time to
review it uh and then we have our next meeting. We can bring that up again. >> Okay, sounds good. >> Move on. Anything else? >> Hold on. >> No, nothing else. Unless there was anything you all saw. Um
I don't have anything else. It's all in there. >> Okay. >> Um I have a question for the city manager. >> Yes. >> So, and for the rest of the commission. So, aren't we supposed to do at some point the year end evaluation for the city manager?
>> We are. And that needs to come up on the June. I was going to bring that up in the commission portion. We probably need to do that in June because his anniversary is >> June. >> Oh, yeah. No, it's May. >> I think it's May, right? Derek, >> we're talking about you.
>> When were you hired? >> June. >> Well, I was hired in May. >> June. >> June. Yeah. >> Well, I guess my question is um usually the city manager circulates a draft a form whatever form we used and then we
usually go back and say do we want to use that form >> based on our experience last year. Could we start there? >> Well, we did one on him six months ago. So, he had one six months ago and that's the form that we used. So I >> I don't remember the form because I to
me I'm fine waiting until July to do the city manager's evaluation. It's in the middle of our budget process. I I don't see a rush to do it in June. >> Um >> first anniversary. >> It's Yeah, he might. He might because I
think there's some I think there's some language in there in his contract >> in his contract. >> Well, it also can be retroactive. It can be it can be retroactive, but >> you're supposed to raise after as many days. >> I don't even know if it's really a
requirement. I was just asking Don. I was looking up my contract and and I don't know. I'm fine whenever it takes place. If it takes place, we can have the discussion. We We have a lot of business to take care of. >> So the next next year will Thank you.
>> Okay. We have approximately um six minutes. So >> we have exactly >> We have exactly six minutes. Not even quite six minutes. We actually have five minutes. Um so we've got I guess we have commission budget balances.
>> Yes. I I put that in there because I think moving forward and I've discussed this with Steve. There's a few things that we're going to be adding to the financial documents on every meeting. Of course, you did have um the latest and greatest, which is up to date March, is that correct, Steve? On our expenditures.
>> Expendures. Okay. >> So, what we're going to be adding on there as well is what you all have left in your budgets. Um we'll start it out, of course, next year, um starting in October, but every month you'll have a balance sheet seeing where you're at. So, you have lots of training.
>> So, that that's what that's where it's at. >> Yes. So, we are supposed to have the March financials. >> Yeah, they're in >> they're in the report. Yes, ma'am. >> They're not in my >> They're not printed. >> Okay.
>> They're online, but they're not printed. >> I apologize. >> Okay. So, but they're there. All right. >> Um Okay, that answers that. >> Okay. And then, mayor, are we on commission? >> We're on commission. Okay.
Um y'all could I raise one issue? >> Yes, please do. >> Okay. >> So, um >> this has to do with I guess history and things in our parks. Um it came to my attention a couple years ago when I did
a presentation for the historic society um that Mr. Don Coward um was a city employee for 45 years and had a business several businesses in town. He is Johnell Wilhides was Don Wilhid's father
Cody Frank's grandfather. Um anyway, he was responsible for most of the ornamental plantings in Eagle Lion Park. And I just would like y'all to read this information. And um I would like us to
consider um putting a plaque to him um in Eva Lion Park to recognize his efforts. So I don't have any specific cost. Uh I just wanted to share this information um with the rest of the commission. And I
talked to his surviving daughter Donell Wide and she said she would be very pleased if we would do that. Okay. Um, >> you want to give us you want to work on that and give us a price? Can you work on that and give us the price and what you want to do and where we're going to put it? I know the veterans um have
talked have spoken to me and they're they're looking at how we could do some lighting for our black also out there. >> Um, and solar lights >> and we need to also add solar lights to our new signs for right now. And you were going to put the planters. They've
been painted at least the first coats on there. Yes, that that is that was just a primer. >> Primer. So, but it does look it does look for right now. >> We put the planners that >> um Melanie recommended. So, um
>> so Commissioner um Nvido, you're good. >> I'm good. Okay. Well, we do have this. >> I do want to bring this to this was brought to my attention today and just so that y'all I just want to make sure everybody has a copy. Did you get a copy of this? Um, we've got some stuff out
there on, of course, social media, which is always such a pleasant place for all of us. Um, but there's misinformation about that. This was done quietly and it wasn't. It was quite public several >> and there were several meetings, but just in case I wanted to make everybody
aware that this is on that and it's on that also on that other special one, what's happening in and around Crescent City. Um so just in case somebody comes to you and talks to you it's um it was not done quietly >> and and we didn't raise our salary
>> and we didn't raise our salary >> but we lower our salaries. >> The discussion was on three three >> uh meetings >> agendas and on two city manager boards >> and there are quite a few and it's how you decide to do it and it wasn't a
decision we made it's a decision >> that was made a long time ago on our behalf. Um, but as we go forward, we can adjust it if we need to. But there's other commission commissions around municipalities
that provide the same opportunity for their commissioners as well. >> So, that's just something that as we go forward. I just wanted to make sure though that everybody sees this in case you I'm not on this, but it was brought to my attention and and I don't want you
blindsided by something by this. So, anyway, that's all I have. Um and we are we've got >> 15. So this brings up the issue there's an error in the MUN code. There was the
mistake. We've done our salaries were adjusted in the MUN code. Um we need to correct that. >> It has been fixed. >> It's been corrected. It's been corrected. Yeah. >> It's been correct. >> Okay. So code has >> it's been updated
at 10. >> I rejourn. We have a proper motion >> second >> and a second. All in favor? >> I Okay, >> thank you all for being here. >> I move we extend. So I have comments.
>> Do you need comments? >> I would yield, Mr. Burke.