[Music] right I know you've seen it [Music] before e e call this meeting to order this is the regular scheduled Commission meeting um
the date is February 13 2025 the time is 6:00 p.m. and cl if you would please do a v call commissioner L pres commissioner Mo commissioner Burton here here
Myers city manager Michael BR here assistant city manager C manager Christin Marine here City attorney with us tonight hello Geor hi there pres
welcome okay thank you with that commissioner Mo if you would please leave us an invitation stand dear heavenly father we want to thank you once again for allowing us to come together we thank you for your grace and for your mercy we thank you for how you took care of us all day long
how you blessed us and kept us safe from all hurt harm and danger and at this moment God we ask that you bless us today help us to do your will help us to make the correct decisions on tonight help us to be just show Justice to everyone in the name of
Jesus we do pray amen Amed of algi I United States indivisible andice for all good evening everyone and thank you for coming out um looks like the weather
held out for us that's a good thing if any of you don't know tomorrow is Valentine's Day so um mad rush when we get out of here to get your cards and flowers and everything just giving everybody a heads up so they don't forget tomorrow I've got a couple of
announcements we've got um a big event happening this month this is our third the concerned citizens is hosting the um Soul Food Festival and this is their third annual Soul Food Festival uh
Thursday evening February 20th at 6:00 p.m at how Memorial Fellowship Hall they're going to be honoring Middleton High School uh graduates I believe that is the the alumni that the alumni is that correct yes okay and then
celebrating Black History Month we're going to have the third annual sow flood Festival kicking off Friday February 21st from 5 to 9 and Saturday February 22nd from 10 to 6 it will be in the
park um P the lion Park and the parade there will be a parade on Saturday U beginning at 12 noon is that correct correct with line up starting at South State Bank is that correct correct okay uh you'll be later on in the agenda so I hope they'll just talk a little bit more
about this and we're excited about this it's been success the last two years and we know this year is going to be even greater thank you for all the effort that y'all are put into this we also have the Women's Club is hosting their Bunko and that's going to
be on February 19th um which from 1 to 3 o' heard I've heard that they have a great time at that and then they're having Bingo that Friday evening the 21st from um starting at 5:00 with the
game kicking off at 5 4 um theand penins Historical Society is going to have their monthly meeting at 4 o'clock on Thursday February 20th and they meet at the Women's Club and the
guest speakers this this month is going to be James bullet and commissioner Lori you said he is a he is a historical reactor and he is uh talk about Fort MOS north of St atin that he does a
[Music] sorry reative for so it's really exciting it's going to be a really neat program it's a big gi for over commission do you have any other um announcements of of anything happening
that we need to know about okay with that um commissioners before we get started uh there has been a request that um if you'll see on here we've got the there is a tobacco
presentation that we move that to our presentation section which would fall um just before the uh sheriff's report everyone is in favor everyone okay that if you need that I mean as long as I mean is it fairly
compact there's no time on there it's very compact but I don't see SWAT team I see him I see him I saw did you did you see him come in sure okay it should be very compact
F everyone's in favor so with that I think that's all of our announcements we'll move into our minutes the approval of the minutes before you Commissioners um you have the approval of minutes we can at your pleasure we can do them individually or we can do them um the
six together six together Okay so we've got before us the approval of minutes from August 19th 2024 and that's the Enterprise funds Workshop the August 21st 2024 Land Development code special meeting the September 5th 2024
interim city manager interviews the December 3rd 2024 city manager advisor minutes January 9th 2025 the regular commission meeting meeting minutes and January 10th 2025 um the re um applicant
the city manager applicant reception minutes so I'll entertain a motion I'll make a motion to go ahead and uh do all six with these um after seeing the the great job that commissioner EO did on the corrections so including all those
Corrections I'll second that I have a proper Motion in a second um we have any discussion yes commissioner yeah mayor I just wanted to point out on that list of Corrections there were a couple of questions um that
the court will have to resolve just because I didn't have time to go look at the tape just for example right on um August 19th the very first page the commission Workshop Enterprise funds it says um city manager explained that
Waste Pro was increasing its sales which would increase the City's residents bills arees right I think if she okay socre right right and also I just want to commend our inter city manager and our new clerk for um working so hard on
the backlog of minutes this this is a lot of work so that that's all I have they're doing a great job thank you thank you for recognizing them both so I have a proper MO in a second we have any other discussion there's no
other discussion all in favor please say I and at this time we're going to move on to our public comment section so um if you have something that you would like to discuss with us that's outside an agenda item please t for state your
name and your uh address if you will do we have any do we have any um speak we have a Mr Tom Townson thank you thank you good evening good evening uh commissioner Burton
heard me speak to a group of people and since I've spoken with the cool school board and she's asked that I come share that same information with you um but first I want to thank you for your service I I've had the privilege of sitting uh in a elected position it's quite an honor and we appreciate it in
law enforcement U my son had his first job here at sh Department my family greatly appreciate y'all's Service uh I'm here to talk about what I believe is the uh living financial crisis should the federal government the
state government follow through what they're talking about and that's these mass deportations of undocumented uh people the uh school system is funded by students and Crescent City has a
disproportionate amount of children and having served as on school board and superintendent during uh superintendent 09 when the financial crisis hit I can tell you I what's on the horizon should they come is much more drastic the every
student approximately uh we are funded $7,000 and we're looking at and I'm just throwing out a number but I shared this number with the school board I would encourage you to call and ask and they should know these these numbers a th000
students that's $7 million okay that's a lot of teacher jobs those jobs are here in this community we're not even talking about the doe should they go with it and hopefully that money just goes to the state and
comes you get a lot of that putam County will not I say we won't survive it will be devastating for us the you have calculators I I encourage you to think but please we've got to start speaking
up because this is the time that leaders we speak up regardless of where you are I think we can agree on economic impact it's all anybody ever talks about for 40 years no yet can explain to me how this will benefit our County and I and I
assure you and I'm I'm be breathing close with this should should uh it be anything close to what 2009 was and we're talking much much worse it is way
past devic in the community the the uh hardships that are forced upon us not by the making not by our own making uh is something that's going to be if it's not talked about um I don't know how we can push back on it but we have a
county that overwhelmingly supports the administrations that we have uh if we they hear from us or at least ask judon saff a representative or mine in black um what's the plan how do you replace
these dollars well the plan is we're going to have to figure it out and I I uh now may I don't maybe you remember but um I met you not too long ago uh we were picking up debris um we're not even talking about
FEMA and all these other things that are are so important and that's what bothers me we're not even talking about it um everyone needs to know for those that understand and say hey this is why it's better and I've literally talked to people look if we if this happens to us
we'll have to teach your so our expensive won't be this SK God help us best mindset um and we're not even touching on the trauma one thing you could do right now you could just call your school board member or superintendent
and say please what's the attendance tra because I already feeling the effects thank you very much for your time I appreciate it you have my phone number please feel free to call I am I'm been here all my life uh we better stand up together we're going to be in real
trouble thank you thank you very much we have any other speakers anybody else to come up during this time seeing no one get up going to go ahead and I'm going to close public
comment with that I'm going to um commissioner Burton before you do that we have um the partnership has asked I have a new executive director um and like to introduce him um his name is Tim
Jefferson Mr Jefferson would you like to come up and just speak and just say a few words about yourself and welcome to Preston city thank you evening come down just just a little a little South but I've been in pla for about two years now
and I've bought some property there I enjoy p a lot but ceson city is is a gem also um don't hold it against me but I've been in Fort Lauderdale for about 15 years but before that I was in a small
town in Vermont called Cavendish which has about less than a thousand people and I was very active in the historical society and um environmental groups and Library board and so forth and part of that San Diego for many years a nice
neighborhood uh Community there but I was raised outside Indianapolis in a small town called science phille about a thousand people at that time I never had a key to my house I rode my bike to the pool and you know it was a very Village
kind of thing before that was even a term so I'm looking forward to contributing to this community I've been an event player in San Diego for many years so between the historical the event planning and uh
the community involvement I hope to made some good uh contributions here thank you you'll see me around a lot well and welcome and our Main Street program and our downtown partnership is near and dear to the city and the city has
supported them the entire way and we'll continue to do so I appreciate that thank you as I said to you the other day when we met you got heck of a hardworking team there so did it's good thank you
with that commissioner Burton um I guess we're going to um come on up I can't see over I'm looking for Jenny yeah she they got a folder that they're probably
out hello welcome hi I'm Doris and this is Jenny who I brought into our County well she is the putam uh a tobac free putam woo so I'm from the uh puam free clinic which we changed our name from
and as a member of putner free clinical board and one of the people who worked there I'm very interested in our community of course being healthier now what we found is that um pona Park Waka
and prestent City are South County that uh we we're trying to influence all of you to be on the same board and one of the great events that I love to go to every year here is the well I try to go to everything but the Christmas parade I
had to move because of cigarettes M I can't take it my grandson has as he can't take it my husband has cancer he doesn't want to take it so having clean air it's not something that that it is
necessarily regulated by law but if we can do our signage it can make a difference and part of what we're doing is impressing on young people and it's called having an environmental presence and an environmental strategy to stop
kids from starting to stop adults from starting in public and now give again thank you thank you thank you dor you're welcome um as she mentioned I am the tobacco policy
manager I serve puam County I facilitate our local tobacco free pum partnership and our students working against tobacco and I know we were expecting them they had a conflict they have open house today and it's they're doing their SWAT
recruitment but they really wanted to attend so I hope they get another opportunity because they were really excited about presenting to you all today so my apologies they couldn't come um I'll do my best to take their part
and I'll go ahead uh students working against tobacco also known as SWAT are youth leaders of petam County SWAT is a United movement that empowers people to quit smoking and bathing their goal is to make positive
changes and create a tobacco free future we need your support with this movement SWAT believes it's important to make Parks smoke and VAP free they want to help our community and environment by removing tobacco and vape
products from our parks and denormalize use around our children making Parks smoke and VAP free will reduce tobacco litter in the Parks and waterways it will protect our children and animals from exposure to toxic chemicals that Leach from the
tobacco products um and Vapes as well and it'll also protect our children from dangerous secondhand smoking Vapor one out of every six plam youth Vapes half of our youth are exposed
reported being exposed to secondhand smoke in vapor cigarettes are the number one littered item in the world um but what we've noticed around other counties in Florida is that towns who have passed
tobacc free policies Park policies can't have noticed a reduction in tobacco litter in their Parks secondhand smoke is the smoke that comes from the lit end of a cigarette it also is the smoke that comes from a when somebody breathes out the cigarette
smoke there's more than 7,000 chemicals found in secondhand smoke and at least 70 of them are known cancer causing components um it's dangerous to breathe in um secondhand Vapor also from Vape
devices electronic cigarettes they also contain heavy metals and cancer caus and chemicals there's no safe level of secondhand smoke even brief exposure can cause immediate harm just within 60 Minutes um somebody can have a reaction
harmful reaction and that could last up to at least three hours even longer um children that breathe in secondhand smoke can get lung infections ear infections asthma attacks um and babies unfortunately can cause sudden infant
death syndrome um in 2021 the house bill 105 was passed in Florida which allows local towns and cities and counties to adopt um policies around smoke and bait free
parks in Florida since last summer um 61 uh towns have already passed smoke free parks and eight Counties have already passed um our P our tobacco free pum partnership is a Community Partnership
that offers reliable information to help make parks and smoke and bait free um if you look in your folders um I have some resources there I have some just some fact sheets on one side information about our Our Youth and our partnership
on the other side um I have the house bill 105 that allows us to regulate smoking locally in in our Parks it also there's a model tobacco free um outdoor ordinance so this is a model that was
developed last summer by the public health law Center tobacco free Florida and and other partners like campaign for tobacco forood kids um this is a model ordinance that's been used around um the towns in cities and counties in Florida
um there's also a map I think the first thing you see is a map of Florida um and that highlights the number of counties and cities that have passes um another thing that our partnership does is we help provide
resources to people who do want to quit smoking or vaping and it's all free to anybody in Florida um so I'd be happy to get packet together for that um because whenever there is a a policy or a rule P It's always important to make sure you
give people the resources they need to quit and and um you know we're not telling people not to smoke just not not at the parks um you know around the children um everybody including smokers have the right to breath fresh air um
visiting parks while exposing our children um to secondhand smoke um shouldn't happen and eliminating smoking and Parks can make our Parks more inviting and cleaner and our SWAT youth actually also they would
really love to do a par clean up too so if you would have them again um they'd love to present and be part of the community and do Park cleanups and really kind of highlight the beauty that we have in Christ City and how to you know how to go beyond that um one more
thing I wanted to add is there is a sample Park signage um like a photo um that is image from B County what they use for their ordinance um there's there's variations but um with my grant as far as up to this fiscal year so the
end of the year fiscal year would be the end of June um we do have funding to pay for signage I don't know after July but I I told like Miss Fon that I will fight for that and advocate for that if you all do want to do it but um I was told
that there is funding available um now so which is really amazing so thank you so much well I just wanted to point point out one thing and one other reason I asked them to come I I took a look at when I went to their meeting I took a
look at the the county profile for County and it's in it's in your folder and U uh it's got some pretty I think uh sad okay uh it's a sad profile of puam
County um if we look at percentages poor or Fair Health in P county is 23% St John's 12 bcia 16 FL 15 or 13 four mental health days 5.7% 4.9 for St
John's 5.2 for Bia 5.3 for Flagler 4.2 for Florida uninsured 18% in Plum is uninsured 10% 10% in St John 16% Bela 13
Flagler 15% in Florida but here was the thing that really really um kind of woke me up a little bit it was preventable hospital stays we had 4,954 uh St John's had 23
188 fucia 2795 um and flag 2314 Florida at the end of course is the total for Florida or the percentages for Florida and the average for them was 3186 so so we we really we have a lot of
work to do to to just make our um our County much more healthy and I think uh you know the whole U smoke out that's what you want to call it is uh would be a start thank you and I'm sorry that page
is not in the abely and when it comes to smoking adult smoking one out of four um petam County adults do smoke um cigarettes and we are the um the most burdent um one of the most burden counties with tobacco
use and adults um in the state so I think we're we're within the 10 um um highest tobacco or smoking rates so um we do have lots of sensation opportunities and stuff and that's another thing that should couple everything that we do um to help you in
the community and I really appreciate your time thank you you Jenny can I ask I do want to ask you a question I know that we were supposed to um commissioner newal was trying to put together Park mayor he was trying to get
us together we have a quarterly mayor meeting where we just kind of get together and talk about things in our cities are we still are you still on schedule for that do you know it got canell it did get canell no uh we
already had one okay uh we had one in Crescent here in Crescent City posted by the three Clinic I think that was that's the one but that wasn't with um the mayor that wasn't no we had a second one we had a second one
and we had two Mayors here okay right and he the commissioner couldn't come because he had a gator thing that day so okay well apologize because in talking to him it had gotten he thought that they the p park mayor had said that it
was that they had cancel it so I apologize for my absence because normally I'm I'm there so I do apologize need to follow up too that's okay I probably need to get my contact information to you too but have you have
you presented to the county yet um a year or so ago our SWAT you presented to the um Pam County Parks and Rec board um asked for their support um I know since then there was some change over with the park director and then of course
elections so we have not gone back um our County Parks do have a resolution for no tobacco use it doesn't include vaping that was I think 09 they may have um done it but it's it's a resolution so
it's really an Ask um and there's not adequate signage and stuff so there's still um there's still some room to go with the county so right now we're focusing on the south puam area um we our youth presented to pona park and
they had agreed and voted to move forward with working on an ordinance um the language uh they presented to Wakka um as well and I believe they they're open to discussing it again I know the mayor was in support yeah so
we're trying to just do do the local um towns and municipalities and and hopefully we can take that to the county and um allow some change as well well commissioner Nal wants to wants to be in charge of that too so he's um he's he's
for this but he he's orchestrating it we can have meeting again okay and what about with the sheriff I know have you met with the Sheriff's Office the sheriff was invited and the sheriff was going to call me he never called me I'm up in the air about it but I I I want to
constantly tell people this isn't about enforcement this is also about environmental strategies influencing children to to stop before they start and and that's a psychological uh protective factor that we owe our kids
we owe it to them my opinion um just to let you know the Pomo Park is going to move forward there are first ones yeah I um and so they they they are drafting an ordinance and and so they have in their in their
meeting on Tuesday they have uh put that out to vote and it was voted on and seconded and they're they're moving forward with an ordinance okay so they'll do two more meetings on that well this is why I brought you here tonight just to in our minds okay to be
thinking about moving forward with it so thank you again I appreciate it so I ask you tonight to to vote on uh beginning an ordinance start the proc I have a couple comments and a couple questions first of all just so
everyone knows um the legislation that was passed in Tallahassee was um a policy objective of the Florida League of cities and many of us um worked to help pass that bill um Crescent City um I sent a letter and sent a picture of
our Parks so the league of cities was very instrumental in getting that bill passed um you mentioned they had um and I'm very familiar with SWAT so you mentioned you have sensation materials yes yeah okay that's fine I
just want to know I have um one thing I'm hoping and I think um we'll have to discuss all this at a later time yes puam is um we are U economically disadvantaged we have very poor health
statistics and that comes from um both poverty lack of education and um historical practices of smoking um but anyway sensation materials those could possibly be placed in utilities building in City
Hall um there's a lot of educational things that we can do and um I think ordinances can be important but from my experience particularly with this issue um you really the ordinance can help but
it's very important to get the community on board and I know that's what SWAT is about but um I think you want people to feel that you're doing this with them and that will will make it much better and um mayor just as a point of
personal privilege if I could recognize someone in the audience please sure um I would just like to say um on this issue my husband Ro to worked for 20 years for the American Cancer Society many of you
may not realize this but the reason that we do not have smoking indoors any place except bars in the State of Florida is because Florida was the first to pass a constitutional amendment prohibiting smoking anywhere but bars
indoors that's why you have safe workplaces and smokefree restaurants cancer Heart and Lung after being un successful at passing legislation friended a $4 million effort to pass that Constitutional Amendment my husband
Ral dito working for the American Cancer Society was the staff lead on the steering committee that designed and pass that um Constitutional Amendment as well as a second Constitutional Amendment about um the Medicaid uh
funding to prevent smoking and that Amendment just to make you guys feel better passed at a record 71% of the vote oh my gosh that's an inspiration because that's actually where this policy came from it's Amendment of the Florida Clean
Indoor Air Act where it now extends to parks and beaches so really without you we wouldn't have this a lot of people and cancer heart L $4 million and squad has always been a big part thank
you now waiting for you thank you um it's interesting if you when you go to travel to another state that does not have that enforce and you're sitting there and all of a sudden you're like wait a second they're breaking the law you know you're like
you're in a different state because you we take that for granted we've had that for so long so yes sir absolutely thank youo 108 South Main I'm here in support of you all looking at that model ordinance I have I have
confidence in the campaign to kids that drafted it I've not seen the actual text in a few years but if you have the time and capacity look at the ordinance uh as as Lisa said um you know publicizing
this danger is really important getting the public behind it is CR you if it was this e effort was a part of the $6 million campaign that we were involved in 2002 um so I would ask you to look at
the ordinance uh bring It Forward when you can look at um finding ways for um adults to not model the behavior that's going to do harm 80% of smokers begin
before the age of 18 so we can prevent kids from starting and this is one strategy thank you thank you sorry that was supposed to be AEF presentation good at this time I'm going to go and
we're going to move on to um our Sheriff's Office rep good evening everyone good evening I'll start off with a question that that commissioner asked about earlier and that's about what's going on in South huton County right now with the grve site that we're investigating and I'll
be honest with you commissioner VI I'm very limited on the information that I do have on that I know that they just released did another press release today actually this evening on and a Facebook release on kind of where the investigation's at as of right now we don't have much information to go on we
don't know that a crime has occurred but we are basically looking to see if gr stones have been taken removed or or discarded or whatever the case may be we haven't found any of that information to be factual yet but that's what we're investigating inshell well may if I
could what I wanted you to highlight is I did see post on social media and it specifically um listed Crim Stoppers and asked people to participate in providing information so CRI CRI stop of northeast Florida you
can log on there to provide a chip and Al obviously there's rewards for that and also if you're very pH Savvy you can download the P3 app and obviously get a send your tip at Anon anonymously and it is it is
anonymous and my understanding you have a lead Agency on this now yeah we're in partnership with a the alpha numerics I don't I don't can't pronounce the whole thing right now off off hand but it is another Federal agency we working with yes we already investigated on okay
thank you you're welcome on our first page you see here was very interesting this actually led into the last couple of months and I'll talk about these two named James feldberger and laaya Addison over the past few months we've been we've been experiencing some burgies in gra City
and I told you before we were actively pursuing leads and the persons we think were responsible for those well they finally got their chance to see justice as you'll see here this is just three of the three I'll go into the my first slide here really quick so you kind of see some number that number on the very
far right there's a three I know it's a little hard to see but if you look at the totals there there's a three for last month was a two the month before was a one the month before that was a five and the month before that was a one once we took these two into custody our detectives did a thorough a very
thorough investigation and a very good interview with these individuals and they they uh confessed to eight of those burglaries so you can see there that's a that's a significant number drop that is going to that would actually not have taken Place between two
individuals so the burglaries some of those burglaries were I'm sorry burglaries and thefts and some attempted burglaries the total burglary numbers were five that we can confirm I believe that number is correct all the way back to a couple months ago when we had the
burgies over B remember that two over there all the way just that's as far back as we could go we can link into to it but we got confessions in that they're in jail now $100,000 bond and un fortunately they're you know
OB have to have to get whatever consequences are coming their way it's unfortunate that had to happen that way because they're actually very good people at the end of the day so me go back to where I I needed to me so that was kind of it the nutshell we got those
into custody we recovered a lot of the property we actually the last one that they did was the burglary at the uh the uh laundromat where we actually caught them around the corner Mr feldberger tried to to take off on one of my I think a 25 or 26 year old Deputy that
didn't work out too good for him and we covered some of the property off of them so again very good job job by all involved with that especially our our our detectives that was they work very very hard on this and again I think
commissioner the you were you inquired as to one of the bures on South Main Street where a gun was taken this was them they T those two so this goes way back to months ago and U I think those numbers would been drastically decreased
and you see just how how easy C I always say this at presentent City my little my little sweet spot and just when two people can do a little going a little Rampage and and it causes this much Havoc is just is unheard of
so they also cause damage yes absolutely yeah they they discharge fire signatures and stuff like that inside houses and they done they did a lot damage and uh you know luckily we finally finally C up to have any questions on
[Music] that next I'll go into traffic crash data two crashes here the first was the Su Central vehicle pulling a trailer coming right on the Central Avenue I guess now the trailers kind of stick out on the back when they make those turns they will turn out wide enough and a
second vehicle travel in the same direction to hit the hit that trailer the second there is North summit and palm vehicle turn the left off of summit and turn to the path and under car again just not paying people not just just not paying attention just turn in front of
someone without you know taking a real good look and figuring out what's coming in the opposite direction here's your general activities now I that's hard to see I apologize I said I was going to get that fixed but I can't get adjustment on that thing work so 21 calls for service total 48 of
those with traffic stops two traffic accidents 13 total reports 11 arrests and the war after Davis were Char as F was again that's your six month crime crime crime comparison that I
talked about earlier and uh like I said a lot of that was all based on those and Jes make a lot of those numbers should Z so those three list that was this month
those three addresses that was just past month yeah should be a zero and the next that zero last zero I think that sums everything I have up was there any update on the the tree
um Mr bhart is Michael he asked about the tree I know you sp your timeing to the AR yeah we we have a phone call into the AR to schedule a meeting downtown with them uh so far they haven't put it on their schedule but but we were
reaching out to them each day so hopefully they'll come be able to come down here soon but then in our message we did note that there was a serious public safety issue with the tree fallowing and commissioner I haven't had to send time to send you an email yet
commissioner Rito about the discussion on the misdemeanor cries but I have all that information ready for you that's fine I know you'll get to it when you are not doing much more serious things yes ma'am yes ma'am thank you question um you have any other
questions we we did have I do want to ask you one thing there was a situation the other evening um and it was it was I you're probably aware of it you might not be aware of it but there was a young
girl walking down the road and she was probably elementary school and she walked past here um there was a car going very slowly following her
and Melanie and I walked out without that time Curtis of course I don't know if any of you know Curtis but Curtis are is our he is truly our neighborhood watch he will call he will call me at any hour and he will call the captain at
any hour um if he sees anything let me tell you Curtis he does he he is he is outstanding he was following them as well had followed them from when Dixie um I called in and I followed because it just it just seemed odd she just didn't
want to have anything to do with um went through the park there was another car circling and so she went to the Methodist Church she walked up the stairs down the stairs they pulled in the Valera I pulled in right behind them
and so did Curtis and when she got there they they grabbed her and were putting her in the car and that's when the de the deputy got there um and I was on the dispatch um I think that at some point I think maybe a citizen just something to
make us all aware you know I asked them um do you know her do you know who she is they said yes we are her parents and she's yelling they are not my parents um I'm sure that they were in some way or
another their grandparents I believe very frustrated and she was um but it was a situation where you know we as Citizens were're supposed to be aware of these type of situations um when we see something and
it's just I think maybe at some point if you want to we can have just kind of an overview of what we should look for what really we should look for if there is any human trafficking um we hear about it all the time we know it goes on and
it was a situation where and I know Melanie was about there too um where you know we don't quite know what do we do of course we follow the sheriff office and they did respond immediately but in that meantime um just something for the residents if we could maybe even do a
little workshop or something as to what do you need to look for what do you need to look for um and you know because she she she was obviously angry they were angry and it was you know bad situation um I didn't want to get involved I only
got involved because it didn't look like a good situation for her or them and not knowing so I'm just as we go into the future I know we hear about that a lot and we just don't you hear about it but we don't know how the things that you
see that are the obvious are the ones just like you did when you see something say something the ones that you don't see are the the quiet Predators who were do the coaching and start the coaching at a very young age and uh that's the ones that are the uh I say I want to I
choose my words wisely correctly but they're the challenging ones the thing that concerns me I think that alarmed me more than anything is there was the other car and Melanie saw it too that circled many times around the situation maybe they were doing just like we were
you know just making sure that everything was okay but just it just didn't it seemed a little odd and I said you know heck I don't even know what to look for so it just so maybe in the future there's some things that we that we as Citizens if there's anything else that maybe we
could have just a community workshop on just things to look for in our community then and I can also have Alison put something out with some education yeah that would be good maybe for Allison just so that we all you know kind of oh wait thank you
911 absolutely that's what we do thank you you're welcome okay with that we're going to move on to um we have a event request for Daniel Addison is
Daniel Addison is he here yes okay you'd like to come forward um my understanding Michael do do you want to present this or there was a perent application that was submitted um there was a lot there
was some details that we noticed as specific as we would normally have so Mr can provide you a littleit more detail thank you welcome Mr ason how yall doing you want to tell us a little bit about this yeah like last year I just like did
something on my land like in the front L front but it kind of spilled over to like the women center right there on Bay Street I had talked to a couple of the sheriffs about it they were like I need to get with the city council and then see if I can get some patol for next
year and I guess like more organized like to have cu they parked on both sides of the road it wasn't no problems but I wanted to have Sheriff there this time to make sure the road is not block no parking on the side of road you know
but I need to know how do I go about this and there was also food vendors out there so they say I need to get with you guys about each of the thing so you had food vendors and in my understanding this location is right there um uh next to the woman Civic ass
yes between Bay Street and Rocket B Street and Rocket it's the front it's the front area the front area the front bacon area yes okay I just want to make sure everybody know the location that he's speaking of yes commissioner yeah mayor um and hi and good luck with us um
I just wanted to say I think that this application is a little premature coming to us because if you look at our special event ordinance um it says very specifically um that certain information is to be
provided on the application for the permit and staff is supposed to review it as you know we have a new ordinance that has class A Class B and Class C events um and the number one thing that determines as far as I can tell an
ordinance is how many people are you going to have and what kind of things are you going to have but really um the way this is supposed to work I looked up the the city commission is not supposed to be the staff committee it's supposed to
go to the staff and then depending on how many people are expected and what the activities are there's supposed to be a committee meeting if law enforcement needs to be there and then if it's Class A it comes back to us so I
I really think this is not properly before the commission because it's got to go through the staff review first but Mr Addison um and we do thank you for coming so early in this and trying to head off any issues we greatly appreciate that um it's a process this
is your first application so um we'll help you through this as best we can um Captain usri I know you were very involved in this last year so do you want to um to talk to Mr Addison or address this situation I I think you
should that I know that last year um you had how many people do you think um we were up here first as they was shutting down like catfish all migrated there and I think like 10 or 15 officers came there right but they wasn't on the payroll to be there you know I mean I
guess the city had paid for them to be up here but once it was over that commed but like I would want to say be 150 people then turn be 300 people you never know you know when they go to it could be a pop up you could have you never know how many people show up and I think
that's kind of what happened last year right so thank you for trying to head this off and making us a waiter so that we can all work on this together I think that's the key here is that we're all trying to work on this together to make sure that everybody has fun but that they're safe and and within the city
with so Captain do you want to speak to this so ex so we have nothing but but cooperation I mean we we have a great relationship from what I consider everybody there was respectful we had we had a little issue right up front where we had to get the road unblocked
blocking that road off is something we need to do futuristically speaking may be an idea I don't know what your ideas are but I need you I've got to keep that road kind of cleared out where I can get vehicles through that was the only really issue we have we got that cleaned up pretty fast I want to say probably 10 minutes and uh it was we just kind of
stood around and when when I asked him when I asked him to he it's time to shut down that was it and that's the biggest thing too you know as you know with the no cut off cut off time from no well that's
what I told you I just told you as soon as I started getting calls that we would have to I say it was 10:00 when I started getting calls and I said okay that's it problem we have a couple of res around we have with some
children 10 o' I said that it's 10 o' it's 10 o' um for the noise mayor if it's okay m r if you'll come back to the office um sometime this week or early next we'll give you the the actual application that you need for which
class um you can fill in the details and then we'll schedule a meeting with with Captain at the Sheriff's Office and and internal staff we'll coordinate that and that's going tell me like how many offic I need and whatever else okay all right thank you but thank you and this will be
in the evening correct after catfish so okay so we want you we want you be able there to enjoy the catfish too so okay well thank you so much and with that I'm going to move on to our next one which is the Word of Faith Bible Church um
Richard and Sarah Thomas hello welcome you will come forward it looks like you're wanting to hold your um Sunrise yes ma'am service at Mar Neil Nelson yes ma'am we had it last year uh I don't know if things have changed or
not last last year we just submitted a request and it got approved and so this year we were told to come up here so that's what we're doing but um we we uh set up about an hour before Sunrise we have our Sunrise Service commemorating uh the empty tomb of our Lord and savior
and we partake of a communion together sing a few songs and then uh we break so we can get ready for Sunday School uh but we clean up and everything so there's no mess or anything it usually about an hour after sunrise we're we're away from the
park and yeah 25 people yeah this is may just um I know Mr realart is our interim city manager and so um I think technically this doesn't need to be here
except that we have a new city manager a new Clerk and I mean a new in manager um and I just appreciate in an abundance of caution they are making sure yes ma that everything is being done the right way and I have no problem com
before you make an announcement to at the same time if y like to come and join us you can come and it's a wonderful tradition in Chas city um when I was a teenager there was
sunrise service at Hover Park at landing and then um where St John's recovery plac is there used to be some of my service there so it's is a wonderful tradition but I'm I'm assuming that you don't have Amplified sound that's disturbing the neighbors because
they so thank you and thank you thank you for using our hearts yes maam thank youate and Mr Bart for just making sure that everything is done both he and um the clerk a copy of
the ordinance for the special events but just right now to air on the side of caution [Music] um and then I guess next we've got the Soul Food Festival concern citizens and so this is an opportunity Miss s if you
would give us kind of an overview of Sal food this is your opportunity to to talk about the soul food good evening my name is SN 738 Cherry Street in city
and KY Evans 15400 shortcut okay I have just the outline of our soul food festival I think you read the information earlier from the flyer
uh what we'll be doing that Thursday Friday and Saturday um our parade will begin at South State Bank uh side street lemon and then we will come out
onto Highway 17 and proceed all the way down street I [Music] believe um to we're lining up at 11:00 race starts
at oh yeah you're going to do it um is are you helping them with this too okay so are they going to line it up the same way we did at the Christmas where they line up down okay how are you going to magnol gonna line that down Magnolia
correct okay and we have parade signs if if you need those so so that people know where they you know for lineup lineup signs okay um also we have ordered the portable toilets for the event extra
toilets and then we have uh two handwashing sinks um so we talked with the sheriff department and we have right now
27 R participant and it may be a little a few extra at the last minute that wants to sign up and be seen which we appreciate that I'm sorry I hear that 27 parade
particip participants did you did you want the commission did you ask as a commission are you wanting us to be involved in that or not absolutely okay yes so this is our we're gonna we're supposed to have a meeting with you guys tomorrow with the city
manager you who else and we just going to go ahead and give you the real details of everything right now we don't just want to hold up but uh and whoever else want there but we want anybody that wants to participate in that parade or in this event to reach
out and uh we be welcome we got some good school bands going to be playing so we're going to be on exciting I'm excited yeah we have presen the high school B and the B out of high school so it's GNA be fun for
everyone anybody have any addition questions you have any questions the parade is going to be Saturday Saturday at 12:00 birthday and and also uh that Thursday or Friday you know
we're going to be in the par there going to be a lot of events going on we're going to have some Port have some dancing and we're going to have some music singing all kinds of event in the park that and we're going to have just one uh concered citizen
will have a food truck out there and there'll be a uh fish dinner and also chicken dinner so that's on my Friday night uh we invite the uh City Commissioner on Thursday if you want to because we're going to be
honoring the Middleton Middleton alumni one that's from the Old Middleton School the last graduating class was in 1968 first class first time that mil was named was in
1932 so we're we're looking forward to a very fun event anybody have any addition question um actually it was on my list of things to do this week if I could connect up with you and Mr Evans um
about a couple of things about the event you invited to the meeting go forward maybe I'll C I'll catch yall tomorrow tomorrow morning 9:30 I think we okay I'll catch tomorrow morning those couple things I wanted to ask you but it sounds
okay have Bo I know we talked about anytime road closures which road for the food Tru and we have already spoke with Captain oan he's already okay great um just so you know
just from FYI Charles is he is going to be here he's already reserved his his space his camping space and he said he will be here so also we have we have all the
paperwork need for alcohol also and we have the designated place for that from everybody else and Commissioners if you'll remember we did approve that at a previous meeting when this came before us and we have signs I think there's about six of the signs for that and we
just line them up along the sidewalks exit and ENT the so we have just everything okay excuse we got another
thank you thank you thank you okay our next is going to be the catfish [Music] F we fig this is just a formality now we were here late last year just kind of put the date down and usually historically and I
know we made that point uh in order for us to have a successful fundraiser for scholarships and so on that we would be the exclusive uh people with permits that day and I think we have a
conflict um with another event so I think that needs to be looked at what's the well that there's another event that same day what event is that the that's going to be that evening yeah well it's the same day correct right but it's not it's not in the park and it's that well
you know we we pay a lot of money for print pads and radio and so on why does it have to be that day that's it's on private it's on Privateer marginalized catfish after all it's on private property it's on private property and in
that evening and they even said that after they left the catfish Festival when they went when they had and I know the catfish was over last year is that correct Captain when they gather so well you have aont in front of you it's it's really the same thing we
had last year we're going have the parade 11 to 12 um be 105 we'll start breaking down and by selling food until it's out and we'll have music until till
they get tired um it's a Monday event and we probably have a lot of it torn down that night but we'll have uh finish up the next following day and S there and it looks like it never happened you have thousands of people
there yeah that was that was my question none none of these per applications that I've seen actually have a spun for how many people are expected I'm a rotarian but things are changing every year since Co so you are expecting well excess I'm
say last year we had that 7 to 12,000 I so at least as many as last year and I forget was very full it was full okay now are you going to be doing also
the um the auto over in Market the just like last year the yeah putting that on so you need that part so you need that part we need to join that with this are you they piggy backing on your event correct yes okay so it would be the
classic car okay and was that at Market square last year sorry I foret wait a second commissioner well I just wanted to point out there is a a line for attendance you know on the
application so I mean it's it's if you look at the dates of the event and when they're setting up and you know whether they have alcohol and hours and all that there's attendance you know on the very right hand side of
that page that's all I just so you're expecting the to close down at 10 at 5:00 at 10 and close down at 5 I think last year y it was done cleaned up and now there 63 next
day set on here says 331 the set up date are you going to be setting up we're going to be setting up that week so yeah so starting on Monday the is it the 31st of March yeah here but it would be March 31st all
the way up to to the day you have break down this we'll finish up on that following day we'll probably be mostly done that night and uh it'll be packed up and out of there
the T um I know the dumpsters are going to be delivered so the dumpsters will be there on Thursday afternoon and um commissioner Pickins has reached out about that it's all arranged yeah bring those be two of
those I believe actually we're have three three I know that two but they're going to have two and then there's a smaller 25 quarter pots or something and the road closures the road closure will be um
will be cyp [Music] mytle is where the dumpsters are and so you'll have a a meeting with um through the committee just to make sure that everybody's
got okay um yes if I could just say about the road closures um that's always a very weak point um there's a lack of signs there's a lack of enforcement and there's a lot of double
parking um and for people who live there like bam me and people on Cyprus imal wherever it is um you want and for the people in the park you want emergency vehicles to be able to get through and
because that one lane is not properly monitored there are many times when the cars are just stuck and there was no way for emergency vehicles to get through and it is very disturbing and one year emergeny vehicle was needed for people
in park and you know I try to keep on top of it but it's just important for everybody's safety to make sure that there is one lane open I'm sure that Mr you've heard that Captain I don't
think we didn't last year we had and we even put the barricades up last year John you have a few things to say please okay the key to that problem is at Central in Maine someone needs to monitor that spot because people will push the uh
barricade aside and just drive through there Cy Cyprus and Main maybe if you have maybe even if you have some volunteers um I know the soul food does that they have volunteers within their within their organization and they take turns and somebody will stand there for
30 minutes or an hour so that's something that they can talk to with when they go before the committee the event committee so I guess um we need to approve this event I'll make a motion to approve the event permit for the 43rd
annual C I'll second Motion in a second do we have any further discussion um just want to say I know we have all new staff here um technically there's supposed to be a staff review
before the permit comes to us it's not really in the proper posture Unfortunately they didn't get this until the last hour I know no saying for us and for the organizations and I can't I can't fault
people who you know are new to to their positions here and it's not been through all this um we're just really not in the proper posture and to make all this work right in future years we really need to be there so and we have been in the past
and we will be in the future we we have not ever been posture there's a lot of unsafe situations and we have not really you know we're not we're not supposed to have this at the 11th hour but
is um yes I where the come from that's great I think that might have been Frank and you can make a motion with a
caveat of Staff approval or something uh yes subject subject to the staff committee approval for everything that's to meet the permit requirements and ordinance I think that's a great idea I would like to offer that Amendment
subject to um staff approval of the particular offer an amendment commission L would you like to amend your motion yeah it to include that that um my only other question we have a a proper amended Motion in a
second it says the St John's catfish Festival I don't know why I always I didn't realize it was the St John so it's always been the St John's St John's river C okay I okay that do we have any um discussion nothing else with that all in favor
please say I thank you okay so with that we're going to open up the um we've got the second and final reading of ordinance
20253 this is plan 122 Central Avenue um Commissioners the applicant um has asked that we defer this at this time and um until until further notice and so
that's um sure did that want us um what do do they want us to hold off to bring that back whenever he at a later date okay reason um they're trying to determine how this
best fits their property at this time he made the application and he said there um there's been a couple of changes and rather than having to to cancel it um then have to go back through the process again you just asked since he's gone
through all that hard work if we could just defer it at this time so what is the the Technic you got Pi a date just table it I think can we um table it Mr Young can we table this until a date um do we
have to have a date certain or can we table it you don't have time to we did okay okay so um get a motion yes I was to say I mooved that we um I moved that at the request of
the right we table ordinance 20253 on second reading that we just that we table it V we have a proper motion second commissioner do you have any further discussion so how much does
this cost the city to move forward for with this at this time I to to do all the uh Zing work with it and whatever else kind of goes with
these these things I mean what he paid um he's paid for do we know what his bill what his bill was that he paid uh don't recall to my head we do invoice everybody who
goes I I want I thought he said some words up 1,700 I think with everything that he's had to do for it so I don't know that's that's the number he thre out just said could we please Tye until some things change for and mayor just to
clarify I think some of this request was related to the new development code that we passed it and I think commissioner Burton and I when this ordinance was brought forward had some concerns about
the Practical implications going forward of the some of the details of the Land Development orament so um I I don't think we should kind of hold it against the person who came forward with this I think they were doing the best they
could and um as the mayor has pointed out I think it's coming mainly out of their pocketbook so um you know they we want to have the right thing for them on Central Avenue so that they're in good position to make economic use the
property okay thank you with that um I'm going to do a roll call if you would [Music] please hi hi Commission [Music] hi
I take then we're going to go to our second and final reading that's ordinance 20254 amending the official math 122 Central Avenue and again this is needs to be deferred as well our table I I Mo that we table ordinance
20254 at the request second second okay we have a motion and a second do we have any other discussion see then you would please do a v
call commissioner Burton hi commissioner mo hi hio hi I so T next is our first reading of ordinance 20255 amending section
315 of the land development code and I'm going to ask Mr Young if you would please read the title reading by title an ordinance of the city of Cresent City Florida amending section 3.15 the Land Development code of the city of Crescent
City providing for a uniform setback of 10 ft in the PF comma public facility zoning District providing for legislator findings and intent providing for implementing administrative actions
providing for separability providing for ratification of Prior acts of the city providing for conflicts providing for codification and directions to the code codifier and providing for an effective date thank
you entertain motion um I move that we approve on first reading ordinance 20255 second motion second if you recall uh this was discussed at your January meeting this was supposed to be a companion piece to
a resoning and compline Amendment for the the city owned property at uh 2011 nor Summit uh when this went forward at the planning uh planning zoning commission uh some of the neighboring Property
Owners has concerns not about the city's use of this property and and the intended use of the property they have some concerns about uh lack of a setback and so it was agreed that we would bring forward an amendment the land code that
would establish a 10 foot setback within the facilities Land Development uh in zoning district and so that's what this item is and so the intent is to B catch up so that this can be second read
uh at the same time as the comp Amendment resoning next month commission do you have any questions um I do okay so Mr is so my understanding that okay the
property this has to do with property where we are trying to build the new Fire Station building right correct okay so which is now it's zoned General commercial and the setback for General commercial is 25 ft believe so right so
then we we were going to reone to public facilities so would be the proper Zoning for the new construction what is the current setback for public facility zero okay that's that was a little missing piece here so
we are actually um creating an additional setback correct okay and we can do more for public facilities but this is the this is what was obviously different facilities in different locations there
was some thought you when this origion put in reason for the Z zero for example this building if it was ever determined that you're going to do something with it and I know there's some thoughts about potentially moving this Charles and I went through you know multiple
iterations discussions as to what could happen with our facilities and so given that this building had zero and potentially we would be uh you know applying this to this property at some point in the future perhaps you know in
abundance of caution you didn't want to make it not conforming but right so so in other words the building we're in will now be nonconforming this property has not been zoned with PF if ever were to apply PF to this
property that was the thinking on the zero setx so just want to know where that came from why z um thank you me it seems like we're um we're
addressing the setb from situation to situation the zero was you're saying we came up with our new Land Development code and that that was when the Zer was put in at our last iteration of the L development code
correct okay I mean keep zero would you like to keep zero um well we can keep it at zero if we keep it at zero we'll then have a dispute with the neighbors objecting the reason I'm asking
questions is just because you know um the land M code has very General application and I want to make sure when we do something that we're not creating problems some more Els um boxing ourselves into any kind of
corner so it would be my understanding that once we set um the setbacks that we can't Grant ourselves a variant that we can't do that no there there would be there there would be other options
time I don't just um what's your solution I have no I have no solution because we've we've gone when I understand we're trying to meet the needs of the particular time it
was thought best when we adopted the Land Development code to come up with zero so we didn't cause problem a very important location and now to um I guess to allow the resoning to go
through we need to have some kind of um setb I I don't know um I guess we have to rely on Mr ket's recommendation but um I just I think you I think if you look at this though
um how many properties are we talking about that really as far as the city and public facil we've got this we've got this property right um we have the county we have the county office we have we have quite a bit of property as
commissioner Burton um brought to our attention when she first uh got elected in the first term we do have quite a bit of property we don't know what's going to happen in the future but I guess Mr KET you're saying um if we do this now uh we can we have other options for
any situation that may come up in the future yeah yes just like any just like any land owner would have correct [Music] yes here we go just just want to make sure we know how we got here and are we looking at
all the implications we have any other discussions at this time um I'm going to open up public comment would you like to like St here would you like to see no comment yes I'm Charlie irman I'm representing
church of Holy Comforter my address is 221 whoa I forgot my address 121 MCR Lake Road Crescent City I hate having that Happ I want you sound like my husband he's probably around the same
age yeah they welcome to the club yeah exactly I was um previous to being the priest of only comforter I was a building insector here in Crescent City or and the county Buon County I want to
assure you that 10 fet is like the bare minimum so um The General commercial is 25 foot each 15 side to side 10 foot to the back so it's it's the very pretty much the minimum and
zero lot lines really don't work if anybody's lived down south I lived in West Palm Beach zero lot lines don't work but we're very excited Church ho comforter is very very excited about the new fire station and what that's going to do for the community and we really appreciate a little bit of you know the
10 foot setback it's better than having somebody sitting right on your property line so we appreciate that and we greatly appreciate your cooperation with this supp W it's you your staff everybody here has been terrific thank you we appreciate that we have any
other comments any other public comments okay see no one come forward Commissioners I'm going to we have no other discussion um if you would do a roll call course please on the first reading of ordinance
2025 d05 commissioner Deo hi hi hi commission Burton Hiers
hi so go on to the second reading we're going to move on to our first reading of ordinance 20256 amending the public facility element of the city comp plan Mr Young I'm ask you
to thank you mayor ordinance 20256 meeting the public facilities of the Crescent City comp plan this is a read-option from August of 2024 an ordinance of the city of Crescent City Florida amending the public facilities
element Water Supplies facilities work plan of the Crescent City comprehensive plan providing for implementing administrative actions excuse me administ administrative actions providing for separability providing for conflicts providing for non- codification and
providing an effective date there's were you reading that from the agenda or from the the ordinance that's my version on the agenda okay in the title on the it says
2024 that's the old we first passed it we never did a second read correct yes I have right after but on that doesn't have that water supply plan in
there it just it's say public facility element of presid City conference plan it doesn't say the water supply plan Commissioners we put the 20247 that was that that you adopted and we added additional language in To The 20257 to
make it more clear as to what it's specific to the water facilities all right but that's not what 20256 says in the title 2020 506 it it says um an ordinance of the city of CR City Florida amending the
public facilities element it's it's the old I believe it's the old the old title that was used and so we just need to as we go into the second reading we just need to make sure that we that we um take care of that thank
you catching that so so let me just explain briefly you guys have passed this previously so I'm not going to spend a lot of time talking about the content of it but there is an important issue this is a large scale comprehensive plan
Amendment what you're approving tonight is trans really first reading you're approving transmission to uh the Department of Commerce you have to transmit that plan the adopted plan within 10 days of today there's very
specific uh way this has to be packaged and since the state unfortunately that that we didn't do that so that's why we're doing 10 days from today now we have this as um we have this as a first reading this should be should this be the first reading or
first reading you're not going to use second reading second so this is going be so so just you understand this is a large scale comp this is different from a small scale small SC scale we don't transmit them to the state right this will go to the will go
to the state Florida and state agencies most particularly St John's water metion they'll review it they'll review it if they have any comments we will make changes and then we will uh second read it presumably they're not going to have
any issues with it their main issue is it with it at this point is that they reminded us that you know we have schedule and uh we need to keep up with that and we have to do this within 18 months of them adopting the water correct we were well ahead of
schedule now we're but we have the 10 days correct and we will get it in this time yeah okay do we have any further discussion I just want to clarify because I don't see anything in the agenda packet that
explains this for the public or for us so essentially this was part of our update of our comprehensive plan and we never sent it to the state okay I mean this is exactly what we passed last year but we just didn't
send it well well the simplest answer to your question is yes you are correct that is what happened now this isn't part of this this is not part of the update we did a large update the Commerce plan that's not what this is right this is an
update that was required C the regional water supply plan uh got adopted and then you each water provider is given 18 months to make appropriate
amendments we made those amendments a package was prepared it has to be uploaded there's certain very specific things that need to be done and uh at that time it wasn't done right okay so something wasn't trans but
this is identical to what we passed before correct okay that's all thanks thank you for the correction and so it will get transmitted this time correct yes um do we have any further um any
further comments if not I'm going to open it up public hearing we have anyone from the public that would like to speak please step forward seeing no one come forward and Clos public hearing um CLK if you would please do a
roll call on the first reading of ordinates 20256 amending the public facilities element of the CR City compion
Burton hi mo i Lori I commissioner dito hi Myers hi thank you move on to Second meting oh won't move on second meting move on to the state move on to the
state anybody has problem sleeping tried to reading the northeast Florida water supply plan it'll put you to sleep page 200 that's reminds me ground so gon move on to the first reading of ordinance 20257 amending the budget for fiscal
year 20242 if you'll read the ID for us please thank you mayor ordinance 20257 amending the budget for fiscal year 2024 2025 and ordinance of the city
of Crescent City Florida amending the budget for fiscal year 2024 2025 providing for administrative action providing for separability and providing for an effective date okay thank you Commission
um I move that we approve is this we two readings on this too yes okay so I move on the first reading ordinance 20257 taking okay we have a motion and a second Commissioners we have on discussion open up for discussion um I have some
questions um so the reason for this amendment is because we have a carry over $318,000 from the prior fiscal here um what it's not clear to me and so this ordinance would be allocating
$145,000 of the 318,000 so and I notic there's pardon actually 14565 I thought that's what I said sorry yes um so that would be balance to be
allocated um what is not clear to me the 38 18, 465 um the Mr BR your memo says it's a combination of revenues exceeding
expenditures along with undesignated fund balance from the previous year when you say the previous year do you mean even the prior fiscal year to that yes ma'am that's correct so so the that
general fund Carri forward from that year that was an expended last year is now being part of that being request to be carried forward to this year's okay so just is a little concerning to me because we don't we don't have before us
an analysis of what money from two years ago wasn't spent and where the money came from what budget lines um the money came from from the most recent ly into fiscal year like is
it from positions that were open or have we been allocating um too much money in some budget lines um if it's not substantially
recurring money if it just is money that we just didn't happen to spend for some unusual reason we're now um without an understanding of that and this is really my comment that I'm
wanting to make sure we all understand as Commissioners if we don't know exactly where that money is coming from whether it's kind of one time un spent money or we're not spending the same money year after year um we're building in that 7% staff
increase um without knowing is the source of that money going to be there every sing year because right now when I look at the um the current year revenues versus expenditures um the revenues did not
increase from last year the revenues are the same we did the roll back rate for the abon then we have other sources of funds but the revenues didn't increase um so well a couple things um we don't
have an audit yet and to me I think we need to have a review of where the sources of that 318,000 are because part of it is actually from two years ago part of it from this year we don't know what part is from two years ago
what part's from this year and why that money is there um I that just worries me that we would make that commitment and as well we are talking about um in our meeting yesterday gosh was it yesterday
we met just yesterday so in our meeting yesterday we're talking about increasing the salary that we would be offering to the city manager and we haven't finished with the benefits um I I think I'm very concerned that we
don't understand enough about the source of our um revenues I'm very happy to see but I want to know more about where that comes from and as well um I think we well I think we need
[Music] more two two responses commission um typically and thankfully the city has a carry forward each and every year and that it's included in in the budget um we for the second reading we can make it
we can give you more of a specificity on the numbers from 2122 that that that would be carried forward into thisit but this is this is a lot of it's about 14% of our annual budget and
I think we need to know why we don't plan for a carry forward when we budget we budget to the penny and we don't know why we're not spending I I have no idea happen I mean you have to understand we've had vacancies that I
understand that okay but we need to know what things happened and are they things that are going to keep happening year after year or when they don't happen year after year will we then be short so
and so that is a great concern as well um apparently we had some unexpected um Capital renovation expenses I think in the city manager report there's $117,000 for the lift station apparently and I wasn't sure
about that if you don't mind may could I ask about that i' like to finish this up first okay well I don't know um the 17,000 this the city what I'm asking is is that general fund money or does it come from another
fund that's out the emergency fund s service so that that's Sur right anyway just I just don't think we know enough about where where the money's coming from why it's there is it going to be there year after year or if
we fill our vacancies then will we be in Jam um Commissioners each year there's a what they call a midyear budget amendment are you fam so we look at the close out what funds have been extended
where where there's been more more than sufficient Revenue to meet expenditures and you got over revenue and then we making a budget amendment for each of those particular accounts in essence that's what we're doing here again uh so
we as requested commissioner de we'll we'll get more spe specific as to the prior fiscal year and where where funds may have been available well just to let everybody know this is only that I remember this
is only the second year that we've ever done a budget amendment in my experience um no I think we've had yeah I think every year 20 21 and we and we have always very fortunate in that we have had a carry
forward um every year and I think that's why the decision was made when we were setting our tax rate um because we that we would be that we were okay and it would still be a carryover for this year will there be a car for next year why
possibly not um it just well prior prior to Mr R being here I think I can say for say we didn't do budget amendments um and have another question budget
possibly should no what what I'm what I'm getting it is we we need to have a better examination of what this commission has never been told what money wasn't spent and to me that's very
bad policy because we need to know what money is spent where are we allocating money that it's not needed that's that's something that we need to know every year as we set the budget if we're over and over allocating it incorrectly
um we just should commissioner bton commissioner Deo I think I think what's happened is you know prent city has kind of gotten a windfall I'm going to call a windfall from different various things that happened in the city when we sold a lot
of the older homes have sold um a lot of older homes that were paying taxes uh that they've been paying a long long time 25 30 years um and I'm just going to throw a number out there maybe $300 $400 a year in taxes were sold at a very
high price uh and some people now are P especially on the waterfront uh 7500 uh and I can go on and on and on because I listen to them complain about their taxes as high as they are but but I guess what I'm trying to say is
there's been a lot of changes here in Crescent City which really has has given us it's benefited us as a city to give us more money uh to spend and we've actually been fairly through little because we haven't had that kind of money for a long time so what happens is
you know we're not just doing it out we're we're really trying to look at where we should spend it and how we should spend it and um so so you're going to see that it's kind of a rolling number as we go year to year it's it's
not something that's going to stay uh solid as a rock okay even this year there'll be homes sold uh homes bought there'll be uh businesses moving in there's business taxes coming in McDonald's right now is creating tax
fall you know money for us uh you know with the burgers they're selling I mean it it every year it's a little different and let's hope that things don't get sour okay with um um you know kind of L
back in 2008 where everything fall fell apart you know so anyway that's my take on it I I don't I don't think it's anything more or anything less there's nothing really secret about it Mr um I would just like to say that you know our
tax income we know that at the beginning of our buget year that's already set out that's already established this is all money that is money saved for because of our employees pinching every penny our city manager trying to cut back on uh expenses wherever possible he was very
conservative he could save money everywhere possible and when you get to the end of the year there's going to be more money so and some of our revenue is up and over where was estimated to be um some State sharing or state revenue sharing and stuff like that comes in higher so that's where this money comes from it's a lot of different things it's
hard to tell a lot of it is from unfilled positions that really is one of the biggest things that's our biggest cost is staff and laor and that's going to be one of our biggest you know sources of carryover funds and you know this is we
know that our employees deserve to be paid we've had a uh compensation survey done we saw that last last month that had the ranges that everybody needed to be in we all discussed this last month I mean I understand yes I would like to know where the money comes from but I
also understand from years in past how it works and then in the years before Charles was here the reason why there wasn't a budg of amendment done the years because money stayed there it was never it was never carried over so it was never spent so it just sat there languished that's why we got that
$300,000 um last at last budget year so that was really not a great decision on the part of the finance director at the time but that's in the past but we have to be able I mean agree with and so order to spend any of this
money it needs to be budgeted and this money came from the taxpayers this is the taxpayers money the best thing to do is to make sure to use it wisely and use it in the right way and we do owe our employees you know to be paid properly I me the labor market has changed
completely in the last 10 years in the last five years and these people have been with us a lot of them the whole time and we need to make sure that they get paid and that's what you do first you take care of your family you take care of your house these are employees that are here we need to pay them but they deserve
and so I yes and we're not allocating the entire fund balance we're using one sliver of it and that other $60,000 is for maintenance on this building which we know kind needs so I just want to end to you know we
finally putting our money into um a a fund okay to generate money and you know instead of it sitting there not generating anything and and that's going to bring us again some more dollars to hopefully and um you know into our
budget that was not unexpect or it's been unexpected because we've never done that before so it's it's kind of new money that's going to roll into our account here which should be good it's all positive really
yes I do want to respond to one of your um issues that we don't know um I I feel like I'm I know whenever I when we're doing our budget every year I go through it line by line and it tells us what has
been expended for that year so I know if we over or if we're under and how much we're under and that really I I mean when I go through my budget I do look at all of that and so it is there available to us I don't have my budget in front of me right now the full budget but that is
there available and it's for the last two years so that you have that to also look at is what was expended and what was budgeted and can can you out of your memory go and point to what was not extended no I I said I do not have that
in front of me but I do know that if that's a concern then I'll go I can go look at that and we can all look at that so that's all that's I I mean so I just want to um make sure that that the public knows that we do have that available to us that we can look at what
was extended for each year in our budget okay but if you do proper financial forecasting and this is what I really want to be clear about with us as a commission we should not be in my estimation spending this kind of money
in a peace meal fashion and I've said that year by year and yes we have an obligation to pay our employees if we possibly can but we also have an obligation to our employees and the public to make sure that we understand
where our money's coming from and where it is going and that we do forecasting we have not done that and we are not doing it for example we know we we don't have a good figure of what we're paying for the audit we don't have
a good figure for forecasting very serious expenses um such as health care liability insurance um those kinds of things we should be considering the budget and budget
amendment as a whole not in pieces and we should have a indepth discussion of where the money is not expended I mean I don't think we can know that because we've just been told I mean our finance
director apparently does not know that when we ask we are not shown and we need to consider that so you're supposed to pass a budget with policy and goals and in mind not piece by piece and understanding where your revenues come
from so that is my concern pass a budget we did pass a budget and we didal budget and that was forecasting as to what we were going to set aside and what we thought it was going to cost that year but it didn't
and the analysis we need to make is where was the money not expended and that is something that I think really our Finance director should be able to share with us we should not be going back you would work on that and ask
Steve if if he can get us through his audit and then if he would give that if he would give that to her please or to all of us um and as well something um that I asked for but I haven't seen it yet um I think a couple of other people
also asked we cut items in the budget to achieve the roll back um and I think in a prior meeting we asked for the finance department to share with us what those items were cut I know was something more I don't know
what part of it was that that operational Building Maintenance that was cut out I know down $8,000 which is not enough there was there was two or three but we like I said we still do have fund balance left um so we can do another
budget amendment in order to spend that which well this is very similar this is very similar to our own checkbooks well yeah it is kind of you want I'm GNA put it in simple terms we have been Frugal and we know how much we
budgeted just like you're budgeting for your groceries budget $1,000 for your groceries for the month we've been very frugal and hopefully you will not meet that ,000 and we have done that I think year after year and trying to be frugal and cut back okay you're looking in a
totally different way normally if you I'm just trying to put it in simple terms I'm trying to put it simple terms and I'm trying to put it in the proper perspective for policy decisions if you look at how cities are supposed to pass their budgets you're supposed to have
your vision and your goals and align your policies we rarely set goals and vision we don't align policies to go with those goals and Visions we mainly look at what happened last year we do not do adequate forecasting of what we
need to provide for in the next 5 years and we should not be spending 145,000 465 without looking at a better overview of the budget where we've been and where we're going it's more than just a
checkbook I disagree with you but we'll we'll just agree and disagree I feel like when we go through the budget and I guess prior to Charles I mean in the past when you were in here those couple of years you always did that every year no Cresent City but Crescent City has
never done this in the way that it is recommended that City do it with policy Vision goals your departments give you a narrative about what they're spending money on and why what you didn't spend
um what you forecast will be more in the future documents that explain all this are available League of cities and we are not doing it in the way that we we're not doing it we're not doing it correctly in her opinion so right now we have a
motion I'm going to I'm gon I'm going to no I'm gonna open up to Public public comment so at this time I'll open it up to public comment so if we have anyone that would like yes sir please I while I was here tonight but
I'm I'm glad I am um my name is Richard Thomas I agree with with uh uh commissioner deito that that things should be um accounted for but the first thing I want to say to the commission is um God bless you for having money
carried forward um and I will agree with the mayor on this that it is kind of like your checkbook and I'm glad that somebody in government said that because me as a human being when I sit down every month and I write out my bills and
I do it item by item and I budget for the month I praise God when I have money at the end that I can carry forward because something happened along the line that I didn't have to spend what I allotted to spend I'm grateful that y'all said you
had I believe it was $ 38,46 if my notes are correct Carri for I am grateful to this commission that you have those dollars still in the account whether they're accounted for where they came from or not I agree they
need to be accounted for the city needs to know why that money wasn't spent however it should not be a hit against the city because it wasn't spent it should be commended that you didn't blow it and it should be commended to this commission each one of you that you
didn't make it disappear and for that I commend you all because there are governments local uh uh state and federal governments you've seen on the TV right now that are taking some big hits because money's going by
by and nobody can explain where it went your problem is you can't explain why I didn't go away praise God I agree amen I agree that you should Mr Deo commissioner Deo I agree you should be accountable and you should do it and I agree there
there's protocols these things should happen and yes I think that the next time y'all come together you should come together and you should have this outline I'm sure you've got some intelligent people over here that know how to AUD how to figure this stuff out having said that you got
38,46 five that was not spent that you could use you could Roll It Forward you could put it with your next budget you could do things uh uh I don't know maybe put a a traffic light where the caution light is so we can quit have an accident there but these are just ideas I just
wanted to to tell you I agree with you and I agree with you my next thing my next statement would be talking each other before you come into the meeting so you know we got to change the walls that's Mr Thomas for the thank you for
your comments as far as the light at 308 we all agree with you unfortunately do does not agree with us and so it's there it's it's up to them and unfortunately but thank you for bringing that um with that do we have any other
comments I would just add one thing what commission says is true it would be great if we could sit down with our vision and our and each department and then unfortunately we don't have the text DET the time to do that sometimes I've
always wanted us we need to have a budget book we should every city that in the State of Florida has a to that you can down that's 180 pages that has everything that goes on in the city and I when I was elected I wanted to try and start doing that but my time goes just as quickly as Steve's and everybody
else's so I mean the fact get a budget that balance budget is a miracle in itself but we're working towards that hopefully we can get that way because I understand Comm I I took budgeting public budgeting in college and you're true I still have my book it's the most
boring book in the world but it tells you have a budget and it is it is an art form too the forecasting I mean you're looking at the last eight months to figure out what to do for the next 18 months of ahead it is an art form more than a science and sometimes we're off
and we do our best to get there and we do need to know where that money comes from right and and being the policy makers we we scheduled workshops to talk about vision and goals for the year there are cities that are no larger than we are
that do vision and goals at the beginning of the year and they align their budgets to go with those you don't have to be big you don't have to have a huge staff we just have to put our emphasis on the proper planning and if we're not the ones setting the policy
that means that that we're not we're not doing the job that we're assigned by by our Charter so I encourage us um to set that policy and to do the vision on the goals doesn't have to be fancy but we
need to think through it and um we we just we've we've had our minds on other things and I think that's something we need to do so thank you commissioner ly for saying there is there is a yes there is a way to do it and I
think given what we have what we've had to deal with I think we have actually done a very a very good job um and so we do um you know exactly I mean we didn't raise taxes this last year so we worked
really hard to try to do that and I don't want to take that away I also want to say as we go forward I'm ready to um have Melanie do a roll call on this but I do want to to um to mention that we
have the line item for the improvements to the building and we want to um after the fact do we want to have a motion to talk our our discussion to talk about um that so that we can give the city manager some spending Authority on that
because we're going to need to give him some spending is that part of this discussion I mean aren't we supposed to just say We'll budget $62,000 and then have that discussion afterwards that's what I'm asking that's I'm that's what I'm okay that's what I
want to make sure so Melanie if you'll do a roll call for us please on the first reading of ordinance 20257 commissioner nisser Lori
hi commissioner Mo hion I okay so move to the second meeting um and and Mr Bart I do want to commend you thank you um if any of you have have have talked to our staff um we
have um we have a morale issue um you know and so hopefully this will help with that and thank you for recognizing that that we have some good people and um they have been underpaid and and and making sure that they're taken care of
that is the one thing I think in the last few um city managers that they have they work really hard to make sure that that staff that we recognize them and as much as we tell them good jobs this is our way of being able to better recognize them for the efforts
that they do move the city forward on a day-to-day basis mayor and commission the staff really does appreciate the fact that the commission do care about them so share that thank you and thank you for moving that forward and with
that so we've got Mr goart do you want to speak to the the money that you've asked to be allotted for the uh building yes requesting a little bit of dollars to be put in for what I would call public buildings and maintenance uh this
facility um that we that we're in right now uh Charles did a great job in putting in this bathro in the back and that's quite frankly the only thing that I think that I recognize so we'd like to have some
dollars put in to maybe up upgrade this building as we can we're not asking for a lot of money but maybe to do some repainting maybe add an additional room or office we velop it for an a con so we just like to
have some dollars to get reuse improve this line for yes I what this line it is for and maybe some new carpets yeah you got that in the front when you walk in we have it down the hallway this would be nice to have wood
back here so our sh would actually you know I think that's the one thing is part saving money is we have neglected um we have neglected our own home audience yes commissioner so I do have a
question about the 62000 budget Authority so it was very obvious there's something going on with the roof on the annex and I think I was mentioned um somewhere in the city manager's report would this 62,000 be used to
address [Music] that a portion of that can be used for that Ro yes in fact um our assistant city manager has conted um two roing companies to come out and give us some cost estimates on making the adequate
Improvement right is it was my observation and I know nothing about building maintenance really compared to other people but it looked as if there was a water issue but um I Heard commissioner L say something about warranty
warranty it's been corrected the RO who did the roof out and fixed it there was a crack in a leak um there are some stucko issues on the exterior of the building that's a resulting issue of the the but the Le has been rectified and
corrected under warranty par of the that happened internally through those offices when he when he when it happened in Pam's office it was primarily but it's a it's a flat roof and then um it just mean there seemed to
be in the city manager's report there's just to mention um the ongoing mention of the storm damage um just you know it would be helpful if we had an idea what some of the repairs might need to be
but I think we also need to give him um The Authority because that's what we do is we set policy and he implements it and so we need to give him some spending Authority so that he can get some of these repairs done
so if it's in it's in the budget line it's I know it's in the budget line but city city managers are very no a thousand only it's only a thousand and so we don't want any body if he has to spend over that to say that he was
outside his um approved budget amount so Mr Young do we need do we need to do that since we've put it in here well first I'd like to back up a little bit could you direct me to where we're at on the agenda yes we are right here at just
just above business so my understand you just had a first reading on the ordinance right right are you been piggy backing off of that to go to line item authorization for the city manager um yes I guess we should until the next
till the second reading my my suggestion would one the ordinance be passed first and two probably be a little more specific on the agenda so the Republicans are aware of what authorizations you're making and it's just a cautionary advice okay thank you
that 7% so in this one that we have right now just for the general public it's a 7% for the employees um excluding the the new employ the new hires and those that are on probation correct corre the probation Aries and so and then it would be the
62,000 that that we have that he's asked to set aside to add to for the um building many consumer payers so we'll do that in March is that correct you can do that in March absolutely I mean you right now
again is not not sure we can discuss what guid what you like to discuss about those things but as far as the circuits being implemented so with that um I guess at the next meeting Michael if you'll kind
of give us a breakdown that would be very helpful so we'll know what your what your plan is and um commission can that um May just want to clarify I am a great believer in taking care of our employees
I voted for the salary study um but I just think we should do it the right way to make sure that um we're on the right track and we don't cause problems later so that is that's my position on that thank you okay with that I'm going to move on
to the Florida Department of Health um and Department of Children and Families new parenting resources unless this is just some information that's put in the package there's no um action required it's just informational based it's something that came to us from the
state of Florida um yes this is really information my copy um it appears to be information from the two departments Florida department Health Florida Department of Children
and Families about resources um which goodness knows um families in South cam probably need so my question is uh is it possible for example to make a small version of this
and put it in the next l bill um to post it in on the B board billing utilities um just so that it gets more widely publicized for people who might um want to make use of it but I think
there's a link here to something called strong forward BS it's supposed to be support um for women preparing for pregnancy navigating the first few years of Parenthood are seeking community support and there's a apparently that's a website to
so can we who brought this to us who who who it was an email brought To Us by the state department okay we can certainly as as the commission suggested we put next and then to me that gold Board of
Bill utilities is a place where a lot of people come so I think that's why they sent it to us um okay everyone's in agreement with that you read through it everyone's in agreement that Mr put
that in the next cycle thank you okay with that we're going to move on to our additional reports and comments we've got the city manager report we have any um questions is there anything you want to highlight Mr Bart not this time I I do want to say
before we go any further that there was a discussion today I was not part of the discussion there was a discussion today with Mr grillart and um Jim Manon and it was determined that Mr bhart would be the the contact is that correct to take
the app to for the contact of the application that that was his recommendation simply because I'm not going to be involved so he is not yeah he is not he is not um I think I just want to make sure that
everyone was aware of that commission sure and um actually I think that's what possibly the most appropriate choice and I would certainly um think that that would have been something we maybe could have just
delegated from Mr brart to um to arrange as he saw pit so I'm glad it's working out um well at the time he I know I know I know glad I'm glad it's working out we did the best we did the best we could um
couple things I wanted to ask about and and there's implications for the commission um first of all I want to thank Mr Bart for keeping so many plates um uh think things going in the right direction um especially coming into such
a new situation with so many things going on um one thing I noticed uh in the city manager's report is that a very senior member of our gas department is retiring this month um and I I guess maybe this should
wait until Commissioners issues but maybe as a commission we should talk about this at um at the end of the meeting we are in okay well I mean in the city man I
mean in the city commission issues okay um and then just um could you confirm uh is there any update on our audit completion and the city manager report it just says they the Auditors can't
guarantee yes um in the in the overall audit report uh when the audit Auditors began the work on this on the in the fiscal year audit they identified 85 specific points of information that they
had to analyze FAL that included both uh statuto required documentation and those that are nonstatutory but based upon our budget and where the the accounts are located um as of today 83 of those items
have been taken care of uh such that they're starting the management letters there are two issues that they are right now working on one of those deals with pension and the other one is uh uh some some liabilities dealing with
with utilities an outstanding Bond of alone so they are confident that uh the the audit will be completed and be presented to you in a very short time frame um I they they didn't give us a date specific but we were told even even
today um that someone is working full speight ahead to get it as accomplish as quickly use also okay and then one item that I keep um well that keeps appearing in the gas department report um and I
think we talked about this last meeting um Mr Frank has two issues that he highlights and bold one is about trees needing to be trimmed um near the
lake KO post office and the other right an align that needs to be cleared that at a cost of40 to $60,000 so H um needs to be done as soon as possible are those still
outstanding they are the the funding um is currently not there um Mr Frank has reached out to uh the Florida Utilities Commission we're looking at at grant funding possibilities we're also working
with um fot on the right of way because there's RightWay issues that have to be addressed as well so so this is a discussion item that's ongoing um actually we'll we'll see if Mr Frank's available at the March commission meeting to come in can give an update
okay because I'm just I mean have we reached a point where the city needs to loan the gas department money to um avoid problems just we we''ve done that we
done that before um so anyway I just I don't want to forget about that um so I guess those were my two main issues except to ask Mr brart about but
I would like us to talk about um har 's retirement don't know person he actually formal announcement here well it was in the C a more specific with a more specific
data has been identified in through through the payroll um I I'll give you that information actually well we can email out to the entire commission well I guess um I guess my thought was that you know we should
provide some kind of plaque or way to um honor Herman is really no I'm sure we will I'm sure Dave I'm sure Dave will make sure too that that's taken care of yeah and I I spoke to Gail yesterday
and she says that that Herman is doing um he's doing very well he's responding well know he might come back stronger than ever and um he might have to put that retirement on home we could only hope that he's able to do that well I'm just saying there was there seemed to be
a date in the city manager report and I didn't want him just to um pack up his bag and leave work without us making Provisions to recognize him they would not let that happen with good okay that is good does anybody have anything else in
the um CER report question um before you do I do want to say if I can going back to the audit that all of the letters that needed to be all of those that need to be notified about our audit that Steve has sent those letters out those ones that have usually my name on it um
has sent those letters out to um all the agencies to let them know that the audit is still um being worked on and he has periodically made sure that they were um kept up to speed on that work in progress yes okay commissioner L I
apologize still on that theing the doing the strikes stri stri striking I just worri about the you know those speed tables people hit them at very high speed I hit them with my whe we want to talk about
theing yes uh when when that project was was was approved and authorized um the low bidder was a company that the project manager uh is no longer there in or in that particular division
so they have a new project manager who is requesting additional information um so we're we're putting together some mapping locational data they will more than likely give a cost adjustment based upon their initial um
estimate so we're simply waiting on that we believe we'll have something back probably within a week but that's something that's that we believe needs to go forward as soon as possible as well thank any other questions of Mr B Bas on
his um [Music] um I did notice today that they were taking down the um netting on southp they did put down I was wondering yeah doesn't I mean St gr is
not it's not some yeah what's in the manual the street manual for the water main project it say supposed to be from According to the manual I checked on it and it also says s has to be freshly cut and shouldn't be sitting out
for more than 72 hours and they hadig about all week and there're supposed to be watering as well Mr watering has they were watering it this afternoon but Mr Dart um has been working you want to speak to that because we had several
complaints I watched them put it down and it was yeah we we don't believe that the work was done to the progressive level that we would need so we've reached out to the project management DB and they are working with the subc consultant landc okay okay and may I could just follow up
I'm glad commission worri brought that up it doesn't look good and so it it is um in the contract it's it's the contractor's responsibility to do the watering in okay because boy they put that s down on Main Street and there hasn't been a drop
of water to hit it and it's very dry Prospect was really dry the neighbors um the neighbors have been down South Prospect especially and a North Prospect that they've been working really hard to try to even it out and to water it but
it's it's it was put out several days it just looks kinded of the ground supposed to be T in supposed to be apped diversity to soil and done in rolls and Ian it's all in
the contract res and then they have to water the contractors project manager looked at it and they they were not satisfied either so we're working on getting that good job thank thank you commission that's it we have is there
anything in the a I okay um City attorney city attorney's Mr Mr Holmes is fine I give him a break once in a while plus I miss you guys I
know it was nice seeing you a pleas yeah this for and tell him your watch push you push that meeting you tell him that abely know what and thank you for being here
okay okay we have a motion to adjourn all in favor please say I