Speaking about my Well, I was almost in turn on now. I understand. Go ahead and I'm going to call this meeting to order. The special meeting today's date is May 27th, 2025. It is approximately 4:03 p.m. in the
afternoon. and statement of dear heavenly father, once again we want to thank you for waking us up this morning to a brand new day. We thank you for allowing us to come to come together one more time. We ask that you be with
us today and give us the good decisions that we need to make on today to benefit our city. We ask that you bless every heart, every soul and every mind that is spread on today. Even those that are not able to be here, bless them in the mighty name of Jesus we pray. Amen. I
aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. I used to love that every
morning. Welcome everyone that's here today. Um we've called this special meeting. We have a few things that we need to talk about. I think um the first one of course is when Dixie um
Christine gohead. So in meeting and commissioners I handed out an article to you. I've got more articles um but it's a lot of paper if you need any. Um in reading through
this it appears that um we all know that Aldi um made a deal with Southeastern Grocerers and they purchased 400 of their stores. Um it started back in
2023. I believe in March of 2024 is when it actually closed. Um there's been an agreement where Southeastern Grocerers, the CEO, the CEO has um brought together
a consortium of of investors to buy back about 170 of those 400 stores as well as also um I believe about 170 of the local stores. um in doing that uh they wanted
to preserve the Wind Dixie brand. my understanding is but it appears that from the readings and although it hasn't been confirmed and I did start this conversation um and some have said I was
an alarmist and I'm typically not an alarmist but I also know that what happened um with our pharmacy has had a huge impact on not only our community but the lack of Pimona, all of South
Putham, and that just happened. I mean, it just happened. We didn't really have an opportunity to fight for it. And it's my understanding that, um, Aldi does not want to come into a neighborhood where it's going to have a
negative impact. Um, and so I think we need to use our voices. And so I did ask the commission and commissioners, thank you for coming together today to discuss this. Um, I just have one question. We did the pledge in education. Did we do a
roll call? We didn't. We did. Thank you. Commissioner on our Lisa present. Commissioner William Lorie present by Zoom via Zoom.
Commissioner Linda Moore here. Commissioner Cynthia Burton here. Interim city manager Christina Murray here. Mayor Myers here. I just bring up one housekeeping issue. So because of special
circumstances, Commissioner Lori is present by Zoom. I just want to make sure um if he can't hear us for any reason is how is he going to be able to let us know and can can we ask him is he able to hear us? Okay.
Um Commissioner Lori, can you hear us? I can hear you if you speak into the microphones. Okay. Well, we will definitely try to speak into our microphone. Did he hear what I did hear my question about whether he could hear us? I guess. Well, I asked him if he could hear. Did you
Did you hear Commissioner Dvita? Yes, I am. Okay. You can hear Commissioner Dvita. Um, right. And Madam Clerk, you don't have him. You don't You're not monitoring it from there. You're not able to monitor it from there, are you? If he was to raise his hand. No, ma'am. But he can reach out to
me. Okay. And you can unmute yourself and and by all means, if you want to unmute yourself at at this point, you're part of the discussion. So just you know speak up and say I I need to say something please. Okay.
Did you get that? Yes I did. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So with that, there is a list that was that went out on my Florida retail and it has the list of those that um in Florida that while they're saying
they're unconfirmed, we are unconfirmed. It's [Music] um and but it's my understanding these are the ones that they are looking to keep and not sell back to the Wind Dixie
brand or the Southeastern Groers to consortium. Um we are on that list. Palac list. Um I did notice that I don't believe Brandy wine is not on that list which many of you know Brandy wine down
in the land. Um so that would be the probably the closest one to us at this point in time. Um Aldi is of course a fine a fine store. Um we're not in any way
um saying anything negative about Aldi. It's just that it's not a fullervice store. And here in our area in South Putham, the only full service store would be about 45 minutes in each direction. So
that means if you need a birthday cake, you need a graduation cake. Um I spoke to Wind Dixie the other day and at that point I think they had over 30 um graduation cakes that had been ordered. um you're going to have to get
elsewhere. And the hours uh typically in Aldi is their hours run anywhere from 8:30 in the morning till 8:00 at night. Some of them are 9 in the morning till 8:00 at night. That would be an impact, too. So, it's a lot of things that are
going to have an impact on the community. We thought this was an opportunity for us to talk about it and what we can do. Um, and also for the public to weigh in on this and share with us your thoughts on it. Uh, you
know, Arwin Dixie is not just a grocery store. It's our community. It's our community. Um, we meet and greet people there. Um, we are so blessed to have the manager that we have there. He anytime
you ask, he reaches out and, um, tries to help out any way he possibly can. Um right now they employ I believe about 83 um people. Those include managers that
um the Aldi foot the Aldi their model has I believe about 13 maybe plus but that's about it. So we have some job quite a few job losses. um it would be um significant impact in our community
and um I felt and and I hope my fellow commissioners I hope you feel the same and we together can um reach out and let them know that they want to build an ally here that's wonderful but please keep
our next speaker I got a statement about this I think it's very important um I put it together because I have a tendency to stop mumbling and bumbling if I don't keep my thoughts straight. Uh but this is my
thought. Generally, a city commission should not be involved in the dayto-day operations of a private business. The city's role is primarily to regulate and ensure compliance with city ordinances and zoning laws, not to dictate private
business decisions. Allowing the city commission to heavily influence private business decisions could create a conflict of interest with their personal or political preferences could unfairly favor one business over another, potentially creating an
environment of favoritism or corruption. As a city commission, we have oversight related to zoning, building permits, or other matters that indirectly affect business operations. Our primary function is to ensure compliance with
established laws and regulations, not to dictate which businesses should operate where. For the city to interfere in Wind Dixie all the decision would be no different than the city deciding what's on the menu at a local restaurant.
Therefore, I'm opposed, okay, to an ongoing conversation or resolution on this matter. Um yes ma'am I would like to yeah absolutely continue the discussion. Um first of all mayor thank you for bringing this to our attention. Um thank
you for the research that you've done and um just today um the second revised agenda with packet contained um a potential resolution that we would possibly adopt on this subject. um
communicating concerns to both um the Aldi's company and to SC grocerers. Um I don't think that you're an alarmist at all. Um, and um, I'm a free market person myself, but
I don't agree with Commissioner Burton that economic development and that interest by economic development is not a concern of the city commission. Throughout the state of Florida, city and county
governments are very attentive to economic development in their communities. It's a it's a big responsibility and just as much as zoning. Um some municipalities and counties uh
actually employ someone whose responsibility is economics development. And several years ago um when we considered having a CRA manager, which we have now, it was my strong feeling that we needed um to include in that
position responsibilities for economic development and hopefully um having somebody with expertise in that. So, um, that being said, I don't think it is unusual at all for a city commission to
be concerned when a major anchor retailer is going to have a large change. And I to me, I think this resolution is going in the right direction. Um, I mean, it's just, you
know, what can I say? Um, the public can't see the resolution. Um, it might be helpful to read it. Um, I, you know, the hardest thing to do is to draft something. And, um, if you
drafted this or whoever drafted this, um, I think it's excellent. Uh, I just got to read it late this morning. Took a while my brain to get going. I do have some um questions about it. Just um I
guess technical questions, wording questions, questions about um where some of the information came from just in the spirit of trying to make it um the very best resolution that it can possibly be and do what we want to do. Um, but I I
think that if we ignore this situation, um, I think that would be an economic detriment. So, I think it's our responsibility. Commissioner, do you have anything to say? Um, I
I Commissioner, I thank you and I I agree. Um, I feel like that we were put in these positions to um look out for the community, to be the voice often times of of all of you out there. And
that we stay silent and we do nothing. Um, then we get what we get. And I believe with the pharmacy, we've seen the impact that that had. And um I hear about it constantly and I spoke to that when the prospect of the sale came up.
And you did. There was my strong fear that there would be negative impacts both economically and just um in the quality of life in a community. And I'm sorry I jumped in.
Did I just say one thing? As you know, if you lose establishments and you lose retailers, um when people go out of town, then they take that opportunity to shop elsewhere. And I know um that
happened. My husband and I lived for 17 years on Davis Islands in Tampa, which was um a planned community that was modeled on small towns. and it um at one time it
lost um a grocery store and that had a very negative effect on the businesses around it. That took many years for that trend to turn around. But anyway, um I believe Crescent City is a fine example of what happens when you lose a major
grocery store. Um well, and that happened I mean that happened here and look what happened um to all the businesses that were here, right? I mean part of economic development the presence of business um can the presence of the right business can encourage
other businesses and the absence of certain services um can definitely have a negative effect but I'm sorry I interrupted you and my apologies. I interrupted you when you said that. Okay. I I just as in that spirit of where you were going with that, I feel
like Crescent City um back in the '9s when they lost the Miller Miller grocery store. Um Exactly. when Dixie came in shortly, I mean a few years after that, but um if we lose that fullervice grocery
store, you think about all the people and I think did I give you the population list? Wait, no. you did not give us the population. So here's a population here's the population list. This is based on of course the 2022 census. That
was that was what I was looking for. But when you look at this and the amount of people that South Pan 16,000 in South Putham Northwest Valuchia which a lot of those come here we've got about close to
9,000 maybe more at this point in time. Um, you have all of those that come to the store that come through Crescent City. What will what will bring them to Crescent City? And even if they come into town just to get some convenience
items at Quint Dixie, they run out of sour cream or they have to go get some, they have to they come here, they drive through our town. Oftent times they buy their gas here, they'll go to eggs. Um they'll go to, you know, some of our
restaurants. They'll find other things. But if we don't have that full service grocery store that they're looking for, you know, are they going to go elsewhere? The same thing with the visitors that come to town that go to Balaca, that stay on the river, that go
to Georgetown and go to Fruitland. Um, they come into Wind Dixie to get a lot of the staples they need while they're here. What will bring them to Crescent City? tough. So you have to look at the economic impact of this too because a
lot of things they buy, you know, sales tax, there's sales tax. All those all those cakes, those specialized cakes, those are taxed. They're in medical products are taxed. Um and that goes into the sales tax that goes into, you
know, comes back to the city and better place. So some of that, you know, the economic impact of this is um Aldi again has a smaller footprint. Um my understanding and I know the one
over in Atlantic Beach, Neptune Atlantic Beach, it's been closed for three or four months while they go through a conversion. The one in Orman Beach I believe has been closed for about nine months when it goes through a conversion. So as it goes through a conversion um
what do we do during that time as well? Yes. Great. This is great data. Um I have some specific questions about the resolution. Okay. Commissioner Lor if he if he has anything I'll read the
resolution and answer your questions. Right. Because it um and also I have some questions about the list but um I guess I was going to say first of all how do how do you how do we want to proceed because right now we don't have
a motion. I mean yes by all means let's Commissioner Lori did you have anything you'd like to say? Um, I would just like to echo your the mayor's comments as well as Commissioner Devito's comments. Um, you know, this is a very important
business in our area. The store means a lot more than just groceries. It employs people. It's largest employer in our in our city limits. Um, and it affects all of South Pin. This is, as you said, this is not just a crested city issue. This is the entire half the county and
northwest everywhere else. So, I mean, I think it's very important that we need to at least voice the city's, you know, the city's commission's opinion and that we put our, you know, our weight behind that because we have to do something. So,
thank you. Um, I'm going to go ahead and read the resolution if that's okay and so that public can hear what the resolution says so that when we open it up for public comment, too. Okay. So, it's resolution number 2025-03 city of Crescent City Commission. A resolution of the city
commission and the city of Crescent City expressing strong support for retaining the Windixie store located at 1115 North Summit Street, Crescent City, Florida, and opposing its conversion to an Aldi location, providing for transmitter to relevant parties and providing for an effective
date. Whereas the Wind Dixie store located at 1115 North Summit Street, Crescent City, Florida, has long served as a vital community grocery store, offering accessible full service options to residents of Crescent City. And whereas the Wind Dixie store has provided jobs, supported local events,
and contributed to the social and economic fabric of our community for many years. And where has the city of Crescent City has recently become aware of plans by Aldi and Southeastern Grocerers to potentially convert the existing Windixie location to an Aldi
store. And whereas while the city recognizes the fine establishment the Aldi brand brings to a community and the value of competition and e economic growth, the potential conversion or closure of our community's full service Dixie will negatively impact local
employment, reduce consumer choice, and eliminate valued services currently provided by Wind Dixie, including its deli, bakery, meat, liquor, floral departments, and broader community support and involvement. And whereas the city recognizes the large number of re
residents within the city limits and those residing in the south Pton County area as well as the northwest Valuchia area that for many years relied on the Wind Dixie pharmacy where the prescribed pharmaceuticals and the extreme hardship the recent closure of the Windixie
pharmacy has placed on our elder residents and those with limited transportation. And whereas the city commission strongly supports maintaining a diversity of grocery options and retaining businesses that have demonstrated a long-term commitment to the residents of Crescent City. Now
therefore, be it resolved by the city commission and the city of Crescent City as follows. The city commission hereby strongly urges Southeastern Grocerers and Alden to reconsider any plans to convert or close the existing Wind Dixie store at 115 North Summit Street,
Crescent City, Florida, and instead maintain its operation as a full service Lind Dixie to continue serving the needs of the community. The city commission directs the city manager to formally communicate his resolution to Southeastern Grochers, Aldi corporate
offices, local and regional economic development agencies, and any other appropriate stakeholders. The city commission encourages continued dialogue among city, business leadership, and the public to ensure decisions reflect the values and priorities of present city
residents. This resolution shall take effect immediately upon adoption, passed and adopted by the city commission on this 27th day of May 2025. So that's the proposed resolution that we currently have before us. Um it's also I I think when you read
through all the various articles, it looks like they hope to have all their versions done by 2027. All it does, someone asked me about a timeline. I said that's the only thing that I've been able to pick up um through the the various articles.
Um I would like um to move that we adopt with potential amendments resolution number 2025-03. Excuse me. You said this is a proposed resolution.
Are you going to consider the the public comment? Oh, yes, we will. But we have formalities we have to go through first. But if you if you approve this, wait, we won't we won't vote on it until after we hear from the public. Okay. Thank you.
Continue. Okay. I move that we adopt with potential amendments resolution number 2025-03 um regarding the Windixie store potential
conversion to an ally location. Okay, I have a proper motion. Do I have a second? Okay, we have a motion and a second and you have some questions. Commissioner Um I do and first of all I just want to
make clear the resolution as you read it um does not say that we do not it does not say that we want to discourage all these from coming here. It's that we have concerns for the economic impact of
eliminating the full service when Dixie store and replacing it with a multis. Is that would I have that correct? Okay. So, um that's I I know that's that's the one in there that says that whereas
while the city recognized fine establishment, the Aldi brand brings to a community, right? It's well, it's my understanding we're not in any way suggesting that Aldi shouldn't be allowed to come here. Um this issue came up very fast and you've done a lot of research for just
having a chance to look at it. Of course, because of the sunshine law, I can't call you up and um talk about it. This is our first chance. So, number one, I think when you brought this up at uh our regular meeting,
um I suggested that maybe should contact the platinum chamber and see if they had any help for us. I did. Did Did they have any suggestions? She was going to uh reach out to um um retail um
yes she retail strategy yes retail I'm sorry I have a blank um I did I spoke to Laura and I spoke to Mark um okay Mark about it Mark of course is our economic development for Putinham County um Laura said there were some things that we
could do um if if it came down to that there's um business retention grants Um I did some additional research to look at um what they paid in their ad room and their tangible taxes um as it currently sits as Dixie of course their
you know what they pay in um their utilities is um that's we that's not for the public that's not for us that's not for the public so I don't have those figures right um but I but we did have that um it's under a Crescent Crescent
Port Chester um is and it's um looks like they paid uh 71,592 I think in their in their room last year, but this one exceeded it.
Okay. So, um you did have no guidance. I did. I did. She said there she would look into it and she would get back with me. Like I said, she was going to reach out to retail strategies. Um I didn't hear back from her today. Um she said there were some grants out there that
you could that you could possibly you know offer. We're not at that point. Right. Right. So and I'm I'm just going to keep going down the list. Um and I guess but the the chamber did not weigh in. we were on our own as a city as far
as drafting resolution or they did not they did not know that while they they are very um um concerned and they understand our concern at this point in time they have not weighed in. Okay. They didn't say
this a resolution was a bad idea or expressed that. Okay. U Mark had Mark did have some concern that it was rumored and then I shared with him about what was in the paper. Right. um I mean what was in the article and it shows as unconfirmed meaning that they don't have
the active date yet and it's my understanding no permits have been applied for they will have to apply for permits but they would have to go through um city manager would have to sign off on those before the county would accept um the permits okay but as
far as we know they have not applied for permit at this point in time okay and sorry just and this is kind a little side detour, but um running my eyes down
the list um of potential conversions in Florida. Um I don't know if you have a sense of this. Um I'm I'm wondering two things. Um, one, would we be one of the few
locations potentially listed that would be left without a full service grocery? Cuz what I'm seeing here is like maybe Perry. Um, many of the locations on here are much
larger urban communities. Um, for example, let me just find Miami. Um, Miami obviously has multiple options. Jacksonville, Jacksonville has multiple options. Um, Quincy, I don't know. Um,
just off the Quincy really, I don't think they have Is there a Publix? I'm trying to remember there's a public. I don't know. I'm just going off the size of the um maybe Monttoello. Um but would my second
question is um are the issuers because they have investors would we be for example if we stayed with Dixie would we be one of their few stores in a large geographic
area or would they still have stores near us? I mean, I'm just wondering. Well, they're based out of Jacksonville, right? So, grocerers is based out of Jacksonville. So, I don't know. We don't have the list of the ones that they've been that they will keep. Okay. We don't have that. All right. But and then back
to um the actual resolution. Um, number one, um, just reflecting back, uh, on historic preservation week, um, something that I
thought was maybe missing from the resolution, I think, which paragraph is it that it says, um, second class has provided jobs, supported local events, and contributed social and economic fabric of our
community for many years. really um for over half century Crescent City has been commercial well really uh since for over a hundred years Crescent City has been the commercial center of South Putham and I would say for over half a century
we have been served by full service grocery store and that economically benefits the community and you want do you have some verbage you want to add into that I was being with Dixie specific right but I'm saying but this
community when Dixie is the successor to others to other full service grocery stores but essentially the economic function of Crescent City has been to serve the rest of South Putham and we have long had a full service
grocery store. So um there's that and then I thought the um I thought the population figures that you just gave us were important. Um, as well as I'm trying to calculate um the distance to the nearest
potential full service grocery store with the Harvey's and these black. I didn't look to see the Harveies on this. I didn't honestly didn't look I wasn't I was focusing on the Dies. I did not look for the Harpies because that
that's part of that was part of the their mind when they bought them. So I mean to me and but I don't believe that southeastern broers it looks to me like my understanding it was just it was not necessarily in the
harvest the harveies were included in it. So essentially um I think it's important to emphasize that our community for decades has had even prior to Dixie has been the site of a full
service grocery store. the population figures I added the ones that you gave just roughly for um South Platinum and North Fuchia it's almost 30,000 and we are growing considerably
okay um and then um really there would be 30 mi to the south and 22 miles to the north um that would be without full
service pressure. So those things I think um are important to mention and you mentioned um you mentioned but it's not included in the
whereas clauses that when Dixie serves not only families and permanent residents but winter residents and tourists year round that that full service option I think is very important to people um the significant ificant number of tourists who come
here. Um, it's a tall order. If you want me to go in the back room and write some verbiage, I don't know. Um, but I think the economic I think the economic impact card to me is important. Um,
you would want to do an additional whereas I think you want to put that possibly in an additional whereas Sure. And then just a technical question um that says communicate to the relevant parties. Um do do we as yet know who
those people would be? Do we have a line? I have I have some I have some addresses. Yes. Okay. Have some addresses. And maybe retail strategies can help and the chamber can help with that. Okay. I just wondered um how difficult it was going to be to
figure out who to send that to. Um no, I've got this I've got this context. Okay. So, for example, um where it says be it resolved by the city commission of the city of Crescent City, the first paragraph um it needs to be added in there. What
does it be? It's missing. Oh, okay. There you go. I wasn't looking at that but in the first um paragraph yes um the last sentence instead maintain its operation as a full service to continue
serving the needs of the and I don't know should we add entire south and north community um or that or else the need of the city of Crescent city um residents and those
in the surrounding South Putnham and Northwest area. How's that? Um I think I think that's helpful um important to be and then the last concern I have is um well I
thought that the next the very last paragraph before the uh effective date resolution where it says the city commission encourages continued dialogue among the city business leadership and the public to ensure decisions reflect
um the values and priorities. I wondered whether values and priorities shouldn't be the economic needs of Crescent City residents and as well um it would be my hope needs and
priorities I would think. Yes. Okay. Um, it would be my hope that we would offer to work with Aldi and Southeast grocerers in the future um to try to answer any questions um give them
information about our community and um as you mentioned about grants or anything else we could do, you know, to facilitate the very best development in um grocery services that can be offered.
in this area. So somehow, you know, I I would hope that we would include them in that equation that we want to work with them. Oh, yeah. But it I'm not sure it says this. It says business leadership. Should it say including
Aldis and Southeast grocerers? You can add that if everyone is okay with that. Um because I I certainly think that's important for us to have the dialogue specifically with them. But I think I think whoever did
this did a smashing job. It's not easy. Resolution's not easy. That's right. It's not um Okay. Is there anything else? You good? I'm good. [Music]
Commissioner Lori, uh, I agree with the changes and and would like to commend you on a wonderful job writing the resolution. I think it was well done. Thank you. Um, do you have any changes that you would like to make?
I like the additions that you've made. I think it covers it. Commissioner Burton, I know you're not in support of this, but is there anything that you would like to add or see in this resolution? Uh, the only thing I really kind of like
to add is, you know, it seems like lately I'm hearing, well, you know, you make a decision and you say, but you know, um, we don't want, we still want to be friends with with all these or whoever whoever you want to be friends with.
Um, you know, you just shouldn't be in the middle of it. It's just So, let me ask you this. If we're not in the middle of it, who should be in the middle of it? Who should speak for all the residents? I believe. Okay. And and I'm just I think all the residents
should be in the middle of it. That's who I think should be in I mean we we in the hall right here is just people from Crescent City. You've included a list of people from pollution. You included a list of people from South I guess. um
all of these people. Um I'm a believer in going out and protesting. I'm a believer in writing letters. I'm a believer in making phone calls. I'm a believer as as a United States citizen if if you want something done that that
you get out there and get it done. I'm not a believer in having and excuse me if you um take offense to this having um a person that reads a blog about what
may happen because this has not happened yet. It's it's in the it may be in the future and then again it may not be in the future. There's a lot of stuff going on for our future here lately. But you read a blog and you just say, "Oh, wow. We're gonna lose Wind Dixie to Aldi." I
just wouldn't make that kind of uh assumption. I just wouldn't I personally think Windix is going to be here. But we we you know, we didn't make a a stink uh when the liquor store came in and
took out a number of liquor stores around the area when when Dixie did that. I mean, I think, you know, we didn't we didn't we didn't make a state then. Um, and I can go on with other little things, but I just think that there's things that the government can
do and there's things that the people should be doing and the people should be the ones talking. But if you want to put a resolution in, that's that's fine. Okay. Thank you. With that, if we have no other
comments at this time, I'm open for public comment. I presented my comments. I've got that. I've got that here. Would you um you want to read it for the public? Yes, we have a motion. Set up the way that I need you if you
you want to come to the to the mic. But will you be leaving? No, you can read them. I think you should read them. I mean, I'll be happy to. I would be happy to, Miss Spicer, but you know, if you would if you would like to read them.
Yes. Um, our rules of procedure say that written comments can be distributed. They haven't yet been distributed to everyone. Um, and that in general, if people want to comment to the whole commission, then it has to be shared to us or they have to read it. Okay. I was
going to move that we wave the rules, but if she's willing to read, then that's simple. Mic introduce yourself, please. Oh, yes. Um, I'm Lolanda Spicer. I live here in Crescent City at 120 Lake Grove
Drive and I've been here for over 20 years. I've watched as Wind Dixie quality went down has gone down and um sometimes it goes back up. It depends on the e economics I
guess but um right now we have no pharmacy and I don't think that if we kept going that we the pharmacy would come back. We have not had heard anything about that. Um we don't have
But we don't need such a huge liquor store. The tourists come in and buy their beer and their liquor, but I think that's mostly for the tourist. I mean, we don't need 10,000 different kinds of um I don't uh I try to list the pros and
cons between when Dixie and Aldi. Wind Dixie does not encourage self bagging. All these encourages your self bagging which to me it's environmentally better and all these plastic bags.
Um they do have uh Windixie has many choices and Aldi has limited amount of choices in dried goods but uh even though Windexy has more choices they're mostly generic now. They're not like they used to be good
quality stuff. Um, and Dixie has fresh hot deli meals at cold cuts. Aldi does not, but it's their food is fresh and better quality at low
prices. They have Windixie has expensive veggies, not always better and not always ripe. Wind Dixie has lower prices on their ve vegetables and their meats, their fish, better prices and
quality. Um, I don't think they have many breads and um dairy choices, but not necessarily healthy. Um, I think I find Aldi's breads better
quality and there's lots of gluten-free options with them. And Mindix has many liquor options. Most most uh wines are most more expensive, but not better. Even though Aldi has no uh liquor, they do
have lots of wines and they're they're very inexpensive. Sometimes very My husband loves their goods. Um and Windixie has a lot of the shampoos and the dry goods that most of them have. So, I I really miss
that. Um, a lot of times I'll go into a Medusi and buy a long list of things that I need and then I come home, I find, oh no, they overcharge me for this and that and I have to go back and get a refund or even even as I leave the uh cashier
mistakes, oh, they overcharge me so well, you have to go over to customer service and that's such a drag. I've never had to do that at all. And uh too bad we can't do Publix in here because when I go to Publix, I feel like a queen. They actually smile
at you when you come in and if you're wandering down the aisles, they say, "Can I help you?" So, I don't think I'll be missing Wind Dixie that much. And if I do have to go to a larger grocery store in Blacka or the land, it's
certainly not going to be Wind Dixie. It's going to be Publix. So, what I can't get at Walgreens, I can also get at Amazon or Kroger delivery and shop at a Publix. I would never shop at a window
again. That's all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We have anybody else that would like to comment, please come forward. Don't be shy. State your name and your address if you will, please. Well, my name is Cindy or
Cynthia White Miller and I am I don't live in the city, but I live in the county. So, I know I know I know that. But what what you just said, oh, I'm sorry. My address is 115 Lakeside Lane, Pres City. Um, but what you just said, I
totally agree with all of what you had to say. The quality of when Dixie has gone down. I live a a block away from there. So I it's very convenient yet for me to go in there, but the quality has gone down. But the one thing and and
Miss Burton, you you mentioned that the one thing that bothers me more than anything else, and I wish I would have said something when it came out, is that liquor store. Now, it's not so much the liquor store, but it's the glass that I
have to stand in front of the registers and look at all that liquor. I hate that. The only thing that separates that from the register is a piece of glass. And I went in and I talked to the manager and many others there. Just put
a beautiful mural up of Crescent City. Crescent City is beautiful. Put that mural up. Cover it up. We don't have to look at them. To me, it's an eyesore. And when I go into Wind Dixie, I feel like I'm in a liquor store instead of a
grocery store. I'm sorry. And so, that's my biggest concern about Windixie. Although I used to say, "Oh, I love my Windixie. It's so awesome. I loved when they did the remodel." I don't say that anymore. That with that liquor store,
mostly because of the glass. I think other stores, other Publix and other Windixies, they have the liquor store, but it has a door and you walk through and block all around it or something that covers it up. You don't have to stare at the liquor store when you're in the grocery line at the register. And I
think about I think about the families of Crescent City and my our community. I think about the children who have to watch people buy liquor as that's happening. I think about the the, you know, the young
adults, the the young families, the alcoholic, the alcohol, the one who has a problem with drinking. They have to stare at that. They're there with their soup and their crackers and they have to think, do I want to buy liquor or
not? I mean, the it's just such a, you know, it just bothers me that we have to have that there. And you know, I I think it I think it's a detriment to the community having the
liquor store there. And I know this is not a meeting on the liquor store. Todd, since it was brought up, I felt like I could bring it up that that class is an eyesore and just cover it up and it would be better and improve on the quality of the store
and the uh the product that you buy there. Thank you. Oh, thank you for letting me speak. Absolutely. Thank you for coming today. Hello. Hello. You may have your address if you will. So, my name is Janora Brantley and I'm 1204 Habitat Way in
Crescent City. And I've been a part of this town my whole life. So, I happen to be born and a kid running around when Dixie was built because before then I can remember Miller Supermarket.
So when Dixie is a full running store that is needed in the community, I've had my first run in in Palm Coast with an alley and to me it's a lower brand of a save a lot. You can't even find an ATM in this
store. When Dixie serviced so many people and when that pharmacy even closed, it took away so many jobs and it took away a need for the community. You have a lot of elderly people here that can't get to pala or can't get to the lane and they needed that as part of the
store. So now you're looking at all these coming in and shutting down the bakery, the deli and the meat department. It makes no sense. We need a running store here. And I pretty much love the resolution. I'll say that much. And I also feel like that if a meeting
is going to be ran, it need to be ran after hours because 4:00 is not a good time for the community to come in and voice therapy. That's what I feel. But I definitely feel that we need a full brand with Dixie and that's I look at the jobs that it provides and I look at
the the things the items that we have to be able to go in. Some days I may not feel like cooking, but I can run over there to that deli and get me some fried chicken and take home after working for a long day just coming in from Ocala myself trying to make it here to this
meeting. So I really feel like when this is needed, I have other people that wanted to come to this meeting but felt like it was for city limits only and the county couldn't speak. But I feel like maybe we need to have another meeting and then actually after hours and bring
in people from the community from county whether they live in the county or the city units or even Fuchia County to build and the you know past this area because a lot of people use this stores a
lot. I'm I'm just saying. No, thank you. Thank you and thank you for for making it here. I I apologize. We talked about that as as far as a a time and and possibly that was something I was going to talk to the commission about because
this right now is for Crescent City proper but um to see if the commission is okay with me reaching out to the other communities um to their mayor, Pomona to their mayor, um to Pearson to
their mayor and um seeing if we need to do something as as a as a group because I know they're going to have those same concerns or I hope they have the same concerns. Good afternoon. My name is Steve Cummings. I live at 604 Lemon Avenue.
Um, first of all, I would like to thank you guys for meeting on this. Um, I actually agree with Cynthia's uh, Miss Commissioner Burton with your stance. Um, however, I will say that where I differ is that we have elected you all
to speak for us and a wait of a resolution is not a denial of their business. We are not saying they can't come in. We we are saying we would like for you to consider what impact this is going to have on us. I think being
united as a commission sends a message to Aldi. And I would humbly ask that you really consider by putting that on there and saying, you know what, this does impact us. This does impact our community. Not
having these services, not having that pharmacy has impacted me in a great I getting to East Planka to CVS is a challenge. That didn't happen until Aldi started to until they bought up um Southeast
grocerers. If there is a chance that our commissioner can sit and say, "Hey, we would like for you to reconsider what this is going to do to our community because I think what will happen is that the business is going to move into Alapa
and it's going to open up businesses like Publix. It's going to make them a much more attractive offer and that's going to that's going to hurt Crescent City in the long run too. All those things like Waka is already growing and
it's like the growth is is we like more options and I feel like and only gives us less options. Larry and his staff do an outstanding job of supporting our community. You guys do a great job of supporting our community. you don't get
paid enough, you know, for all the headaches that you guys have. I just would like for you to consider I I actually am 100% with you. We don't need to tell people how to run that business. I agree with that. But if we can sway them to say, "Hey, this really impacts
us. I think that it's our job to do that. Not not to put restrictions, not to say, okay, once that die has been cast, I don't want your Aldi in here. It's either this or nothing." I would actually stand with you and say no, we're not I I'm against that. But in
this stage of it, they really need to consider what the impact this is going to have on our students, on our community, on all of the members of South Pna, and they do come from Northwest Falucia to come here. Um it it's just something that I would like for you guys to consider. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you very much. Yes, sir. You want to come? Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Dan Dodge, and I want to first say that I'm delighted that you brought this up. I was not aware there
was any concern that we might lose the only supermarket we have in the Fran Peninsula. to me it would make a a a huge impact on our community. I um you know, we're fortunate. We have one
supermarket, we have one discount grocery store, we have one specialy food store, the Hispanic store, we have a convenience stores, and we have a neighborhood market. To bring in another discount grocery
store, really, we would we would lose quality. Wind Dixie brings quality to our community, a product. Now, I've been a a resident here for three and a half years. I
elsewhere I have shopped at all these. They certainly do a fine job. Um but I am proud to hear um this commission to speak of how much we appreciate and think of Wind Dixie
because that's really the issue as mayor you pointed out. It's not that we don't dislike it and all these it's just that we have a higher need for quality product. During the time that I've been here, I've also appreciated the
management and the staff of Wind Dixie. Our Wind Dixie has a great manager. I've seen him interact on a daily basis with his customer base. I greatly appreciate the relationship that he has with his staff and the quality of
staff which he retains and attracts. Again, since my time here, the quality of the of the supermarket when Dixie has greatly increased, and I appreciate that. Without it, though, um it would be a
great loss. I uh I would have to go elsewhere to to find the the quality of product. Um or or shop or Kroger's online. Um, quite frankly, I prefer to
pick out my product. Um, again, um, it's what what you're doing is letting them know how highly we think of it and what how important it is to our community, as an employer, as a
service base, and and also for future growth. I um I also encouraged that with the concept of having others in our community speak out, other groups. I think it's very important and to realize
that there are the other towns and cities in our peninsula are affected and we should we should also reach out to them. So I thank you very much. Thank you. We have any other speakers?
[Music] I have a couple observations based on comments and I appreciate each and every comment. I think it's very important for us to be informed as to what people in the community think and I'm sorry this came up so quickly but it came up
quickly. So we're doing the best we can. Right. Um first of all um I was not a big fan of the liquor store but that was one's choice. um we they have the option to do
that. We can't control that. Um I think there were some good comments made about improvements, but this whole thing is not really about should we have a Windixie or should we have an Aldi. It is about
um as um Mr. Cummings, Mr. Dodge alluded to, it's about the economic health of our community and making sure that we have that mix of economic options that are going to make us viable economically
as a community. You want that mix and that is something that every municipality that I know of in Florida um has pays some attention to. So, and this resolution is not telling all these
they can't come. It is explaining to both of these commercial institutions um the importance of full service grocery store to the economic mix in Crescent City and and South Ka and it
did occur to me it's very interesting I don't know how many times the mayor or other commissioners you have heard um many times people have said well number one um some people who work here don't want to move here because we don't have
enough full service shopping options. This is this is something that gets expressed to me quite a bit. Um, and as well, I don't know how many times residents have not approached me and said, "You," and, by you, they mean the
commission, "you need to get us a fill in the blank, um, a retail store that sells certain products, um, a Panera Bread, a certain kind of gas station or whatever."
Um did you know most residents have some understanding that the city commission has something to do with economic development? Um we we cannot go out and rope a specific entity but we do have a
responsibility to pay attention to what's here and maybe what we can attract. And I guess um these commercial organizations will do what they want. We're expressing um the impact on our
community and I hope that this will be the start of a larger community discussion and maybe more focus by the commission. By focus I mean making it consistent on elements of economic
development and what will help us doing what will help us. So um I just I don't know I just find it kind of amusing. I've been asked so many times could you get us a commission could you get us a certain thing? Um, and we're just doing
the best we can to make sure um that economically we have the right we have the right under understanding and anyway I appreciate the comments. Thank you. It's kind of like the second
grader that recognized me and she said you're the mayor and I said yeah. She spoke to us. I said yes I did. I said are you excited about the McDonald's that's about to open? and she said, "I asked you for a [Laughter]
Chick-fil-A." You know, I mean, so they they do look to us and they they hope that we and we don't have any influence over that over specific ones, you know. Um, so I just what you said, I just I
just always chuckle over that. I mean, I really didn't have anything to do with with that, but thank but we we do have a long economic development in my view. So, we do. So, here we are. Okay. Do we have any further
discussion? Um I do want to ask um the commission. Commissioner Lori, how are you over there? You good? He go to dinner. Commissioner Lori. Oh, sorry. I'm here. Yes. Um, there was just one other issue
or one other thought that I had as you were reading the resolution and that's that when Dixie has for decades been a supporter of the catfish festival and of the Rotary Club at present city. Um, they've been a very valuable partner and
has helped us to be able to fund our scholarships that we do every year. So, you know, there's that that function that, you know, is all part of the package here that would be an impact on our community. And I just really um hope that, you know, we can vote on this and
support it. I think that it's really important that we at least voice our opinions for the community and for the city um just because we do have that responsibility towards our residents. Thank you. Thank you. Um, mayor if I
could um to me I I think I mean when Dixie is very benevolent in our community as our other institutions. Um but I would I would not necessarily want to add that
specifically to the resolution because I I think the overarching issue is the overall economic health of our specific area and not what benevolence a particular organization does or does not do and I'm
not familiar um thank you commissioner Lori for that I have to I I would say that with commissioner Devito I am not familiar with um Aldi and and their community support I am a public and Dixie but not with not with the Aldi so
I wouldn't I don't want to um put anything in here that would you know well and as well to to me. Um, some people use the term getting into the weeds. Um, I certainly I I think the overarching issue is that it's the
anchor um it's the anchor retail establishment. It provides the full service grocerers. And I would not really want to suggest that we like one store over another because they support this organization or local cause
necessarily. I just think it's it's an important service that we need. Okay. Thank you. The one thought that came to mind and it was part of the discussion. Can I ask a
question? If you come to the podium, please state your name. Hello 128 Grove City, Florida. Uh two questions came up. Do you think that if we kept our wind daisy that they were bringing the
pharmacy back? Have you asked that question of them? And also, have you compared the number of employees at all these hires as opposed to the number of employees at hires? Maybe they're equal. I don't know. No, we talked about that earlier. So typically with their
traditional um um we have I think we have about 83. Windixie is is one of our largest if not the largest. I think maybe the rehab center has has exceeded that
but they have I believe 83 plus employees. Um the Aldi their traditional store I believe employs um around 13 I was told. How many? Around 13. 13
employees. Right. If I could not to mention the Mark I mean when you look at those departments they have department managers which are higher paying jobs within a grocery store. Yes. Yeah. I was able to speak to somebody with knowledge
of the grocery business and the figures I mean when you have um someone said it's it's a different model. It's a different right. is a different model and um the discount stores typically um their
savings are achieved by lower hours um less selection um and as well far fewer employees. Apparently most discount stores operate on fewer than 20 employees. That's just
the model. kind of noticed that at WC we have fewer and fewer tellers I mean retail people to check us out that's all these machines and I hope we get a pharmacy back but I'm happy with community pharmacy so far thank you good
well thank you and I don't know um I know that when the pharmacy was closed by when Aldi when Aldi stepped in and took over so they were the ones that closed the pharmacy um it was one of these brochures that's my understanding so I don't Southeast grocerers what
they're going to do in those Wind Dixies that they're going to be able to retain. I don't know if they're bringing themsies back or not because there might be some contractual issues. I don't know because they contracted to CVS and Walgreens but that's not for us. We have
um I would like to personally thank all of the residents and all of you that came in today and um voice your opinion because without you all we we don't know where to take it sometimes. So, um I'm very um grateful that you all came in
today and um hopefully we can have another discussion because there's lots of things that we can discuss that need to be created in our community. I myself again was born here. I was here when they had lots of things here going on that we had two department stores. We
didn't have to go out of town to get things. If I needed that Easter dress, my mom would go down to Hilda's um style shop and she go over to Leon's and we pick out that dress or shoes or whatever we needed. We didn't have to really go
out of town. It was it was there was a lot of stuff here, but somehow things changed, but you know, we can always bring that stuff back here. You know, whatever we want, whatever we need to desire, we can get together and do it as
a community. And so that's I'm just pray for that that you all came. The next time I think we can kill more people. We can change our time and we can really come up with some good um ideas. And I just like listening to the community because I think that that's how we we
need to work together. We live here. We need to work together and get along and do what we need to do to make this this town a better city. Thank you. Okay, we have no other
discussions. We have a resolution in front of us. We have a proper motion in the second. Um, we're ready to vote. Cindy Burton. Nay.
Commissioner. Commissioner BJ. I don't believe he's allowed to vote. I wasn't allowed to vote on allowed to vote, but you should be part of the you can be part of the discussion. The W I approved. Thank you all for for coming
out today. Um we greatly appreciate it. We'll take that into consideration. That's why we keep our other meetings at six o'clock. Um and so if we meet on this again and there might be a possibility that we will we'll make sure take that in
consideration to later time. Um thank you again for everybody being here today and just see what this um so you mentioned mayor and wanted to know um what the commission
thought about your contact other municipalities. Um, I thought Mr. had a a very accurate take on that. Um, they might be concerned about this
and they might be interested in being a competitor location or another establishment. I don't know. Um, but I I don't think it hurts to inquire. Are you in agreement with that?
Commissioner us reaching out to the other communities. Yeah, it's not I sorry I can't hear you. It started raining here. Uh it's us reaching out to the other communities um surrounding communities and sharing with
them the resolution. Yes, I believe that that that be very important and we can share it with them and they can pass one themselves. Okay. And make that determination on the day.
Well, you don't have them agree with sharing resolution, but I certainly agree reaching out to the other communities to get your input. And again, I'll stress that it belongs with people. We get out there, write letters, make phone calls, do what you got to do.
You know, we're just five people. It's a resolution. And I hope it's not a lot of things that end up on people's desks. There's a file for those things. It really the voice that you have is much freer than us.
We have also um commissioners, we've been um um contacted today by um Jacksonville News, is it channel six or four? Was it four? No, it four. Um and
they're watching today also and and wanted to know about um the meeting and the resolution and they're probably going to reach out again. Um so I just wanted to give y'all a heads up. I spoke to um one of the reporters today and um
she was trying to learn a little bit more about and and what it does for our community. So So well and I think Commissioner Moore made a really very good point. Um if you if you look back in the last 10 years and
um we have there's been economic contraction partly due to co u we've lost retail establishments we've lost restaurants um and some of that was due to co and some to larger just larger economic changes nationwide um but I think it is
our responsibility to see what we can do to um achieve economic revitalization. And I also remember um since uh I was a little girl here with my grandparents um I remember shopping on Central Avenue
and up and down um up and down um Summit and yes there I still I still have um I still have some advertisements and some clippings in my house and a box from Hildas and yes we
so economic revitalization yes that's something we need be concerned about. So, thank you. Um, when they do reach out, I just wanted to make sure that the commission is aware. So, I'm not speaking out of terms. Um, if they ask for an interview
on for the news, want y'all to be aware of that resolution. I just want to make sure. Um, okay. With that, we're going to move on to our next um historic grants, Miller Middle School. Thank you all very much. Thank
you. Thank you. Did I cover everything up in the house? Oh, yeah. She really just beat that range. That's like me yesterday. Yeah, that's right.
We can take a five minute 95 gohead reconvene our meeting our special meeting. So right now we are on the board. Um, yes, Mayor. We have uh Paul Weaver from Historic Associates um attending
via Zoom. He's going to speak on the topic of a grant for the Miller Middle School property. Okay. Wait a minute. I have a question here. So originally the idea was to discuss a
special categories grant, the large grant for physical renovation. Is that the one M's going to talk about? You can ask him that. I believe his is pertaining to um increasing the region
that's the small matching grant but when so I just want to get some clarification when when we set this meeting the idea was to talk about the possibility of applying for the special categories grant or do we have information about
that? You mean the the We have multiple comments from that and the discussion's open for you to discuss um whatever grant you like to. Okay. Well, anyway, the um but I'm
sorry. Then the second issue was brought up about the small matching grant to increase um I guess to redefine the uh national registered district. So that's what rest is is speaking. Okay. Just want to make sure I have the right
grant. Yes. My my instruction from um previous instruction from the BRC was to reach out to REGG as well as Mr. Weaver. Mr. Weaver replied um this is his recommendation for a grant that we could move forward on for the um builder property or the one that he recommended
and then Reg had their recommendation and also referred us to a grant writer that specializes in um historical grants. She has yet to return and um my email. Okay. So, okay. So, we're on the small
matching print. Yes. Got it. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. So, with that, you turn it over to Mr. Weaver. Yes. Mr. Weaver, first off, thank you so much for your patience um for being um as we went through that first item of business. And
with that, we're going to turn it over to you, Mayor. Mayor Myers, can you hear me? Uh we can. Okay. Uh yeah, I again I'll introduce myself. Full Weaver 5 Milton Street, St. Augustine, Florida. And it was very
interesting because we've got a Wind Dixie very close to me that's going through a lot of the same issues. So I enjoyed that conversation. But, uh, I'm here today to, uh, speak about a small matching grant. And I apologize, partly
Memorial Day got out of the way, but I, I've drafted out the application for uh, the the commissioners to review through uh, uh, the acting city manager. And I know I talked a little bit with Commissioner
Rory and he had a couple couple of comments, but basically um we uh drafted this out to update the uh existing Pres City Historic District, which believe it or not was done 1996, so 30 years ago.
And uh a lot happened uh since then, particularly in the postw World War II period. And so this application would address that period. And uh the theme of this I guess was the George Mill middle
Miller Middle School. Um and this grant application will directly impact on that because the original high school was built in 27th in the gym in 1936. But much of the complex, particularly the auditorium base from the 1950s as
things stand right now, uh that part of the complex is not considered historic. So we would update that information and also uh bring in uh information about uh the rest of the city built in the in
post uh World War II period up until roughly 1976. Um, so it's a it's going to be a a ready grant. There would be no match on the part of the city. Um, I I added the
requested amount at this point is $50,000. Um, so uh again, we drafted that out for the commission's review and I know Commissioner Lori, I think he has a couple of questions. So, uh, I don't want to take a lot of your time, but I'm
here if you got any questions about the grand application. I do have some questions, but I can barely hear Mr. Weber. Does anybody else have a problem hearing?
I can barely hear you, too. Okay. Mr. Reaver said, can can Mr. Reaver hear me better now? Yes, absolutely. Okay, I'm talking as close to my mic as I can, but um I'm finding him very hard to hear. And then some
members of the audience raised their hands and seemed to say they couldn't hear. You might want to come up. You might want to come to the front row or even pull your seats up closer if you'd like. I mean, I think you're a captive audience right now. I don't see anybody wanting to leave in this. Thank you,
Mayor. I do have question. Okay. Okay. So, Mr. We were essentially what you're saying is um and thank you very much. You're saying that you would um write this grant at no cost to us. Is that correct? That is correct. Okay. And that
is certainly very kind of you to do. Um just um just to give you a background, you've met me before. I'm a member of our historical society and um I'm very concerned about historic preservation. Um but and since
um I really don't understand how this process works completely. Um when you say you'll write the grant to update our national registered district, does that mean that you will be sending paperwork
in to the Department of the Interior to update our to redesate our historic district? Does that affect the end result of the grant? No, we're we're doing a grant to actually do the work. Okay. Um so, uh you would apply and
hopefully you're funded and this would uh this would uh money would be used similar to what you're doing now with the survey update. you hire an outside consultant and you can you can't pre-select anybody, but uh we're doing
it right now kind of as part of the services for the survey update. That's going to be one of the recommendations in our final report. Uh so uh we would have an opportunity when you if you when you get the grant to put in a proposal
to do that, do the work. But this right now is a grant application, right? It's not it's not to do to do the work to update the national, right? I did you that I did not hear that at all.
Said it's a grant application to complete it. I heard that part. Yeah, it's a grant application. It's not to do the actual work on the uh national register update. Okay. But you would
um you would be writing the paperwork that would be potentially submitted to do the historic district update. Is that right? That that is correct. But I would do it through the city manager um similar to uh what was done last year
uh for the for the survey uh update that we're working on right now. It would be if we go through the the city manager and I think uh um that it wouldn't have any conflict because you were instrumental in helping
get you know us. So that was that was just my my biggest concern. Okay. So we have any other questions? I'm sorry. I'm having you're racing up a little bit. I'm having trouble hearing.
Okay. No, I just I was just saying um that I just wanted to make sure that um that since you were instrumental in helping prepare the grant that if you bid on the grant, if we were awarded it and you did you bid on the project that there would not be any
conflicts. That was just my biggest concern. But Commissioner Lori, it sounds like you're helping you're going to help this with um Christina Marie. Yeah. Yes. I I've planned on it and I've discussed it with Christina Paul. You
know, this would be the third year that we're doing this grant or applying for this grant. Right now, we have one that's in we're waiting for the funding. Um the one that we did last year is what Paul is currently working on. So, um
it's not we don't want to let go by and it also won't actually be funded until July 1, 2026. So it's you know a whole long process that it takes if you can hear me and I think that the
lighting outside of your end my end. So I can Yeah me me as well. Okay. Thank you. Yes.
I guess we're going to need a motion. Okay. Um I would like to move that we authorize our interim city manager um to apply for a small matching grant uh from the division of historical resources for
the purpose of updating our national register historic district. We have a second question. I was just asking if anybody wants to motion. So this is a matching grant. I
sound really loud kind of like that. This is a matching grant of 50k and not a matching grant. No, it's not. Well, I think it's called the name of the grant is called small matching grant as I understand it. But we as a this
send Christina's memo as an RDI community, we don't have to match. We're matching 50K. No, we haven't had to match on the other one either. Yes,
but I think the title of the title of the division they have the special categories for up to 1 million and then they have what's called the small matching grants. So um for up to 50,000 and that would be the one that's the one
that is currently being used to update our survey and that would be the one that we would apply for. And the purpose there's a lot of different things you can do with it, but purpose would be um to update the National Register historic district.
Second. Okay. So, we have a proper motion and a second. Do we have any further discussion?