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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: vWe7BrP1ask):
- 00:00:04: Meeting Called to Order: Roll Call and Minutes
- 00:02:14: Old Business: Condemned Properties and Demolition Permits
- 00:02:57: Old Business: New Moon Lodge Restoration Project Update
- 00:06:52: Public Comment: New Moon Lodge Use & Funding
- 00:17:16: Old Business: Miller Middle School Redevelopment Planning
- 00:18:40: Public Comment: Input on Miller Middle School Use
- 00:20:53: Old Business: Historical District Report and Funding
- 00:28:21: Old Business: Architectural and Site Guidelines Discussion
- 00:29:10: New Business: Historic Preservation Ordinance Review
- 00:32:13: Discussion: Contribution to Designation and CLG Requirements
- 00:35:16: Commissioner Lori Explains Ordinance's Design and Process
- 00:41:58: Ordinance Protects Heritage: Preserving History and Funding
- 00:50:03: Board Motion: Approve the Proposed Historical Ordinance
- 00:51:27: End of Meeting: No Public Comments and Adjournment


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I'm looking forward to >> tomorrow. I was over there was more important to come. >> Oh, great. >> I think it's The Historical Preservation Board meeting, >> April 16th, 2026

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will now come to order. Have our roll call. Commander Hardy Hardy >> here. And >> here. >> Brent Murray >> here. Alice McCoy here, Brian Green

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absent, and Robert Sher absent, >> and uh chairperson Veronica Clever >> here. >> Derek Martin, city manager, >> present. >> Lonnie Loe, CRA and assistant, city manager, >> present.

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>> And myself, Pamela Taylor, code enforcement officer, acting as city clerk. Okay. Thank you. Now we will have the approval of the March 19th, 2026 minutes.

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>> I move that we approve the meeting minutes for March 19th, 2026 with any necessary directions. >> Second. It has been properly motioned and second that we approve the March 19th, 2026

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minutes with any corrections. All in favor? >> I >> I >> All oppose. Our next item of business on our agenda is old business items

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and we'll start with condemn properties. >> City has no update on that at this time. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Our next item will be demolition permit request. >> Uh we've sent a request to the county

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for updated information on that. We can only find one on their website. I have not heard back from the county on that. They've been kind of slow to get back to me. I understand they have a few people out, but we're still working on getting the the the general demolition permit from them.

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>> Thank you. >> Our next item will be the new moon Lodge. currently right now working with the state actually getting ready to close that project out. We are almost um finalized with our engineering firm, our AE uh putting together a really good

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product and schematics and all of the design and they're finalizing their building. I think we we just put out another bill for $4,500. I think we have probably maybe $5,000 less. So, they're they're almost done with the deliverables. currently been discussion

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with the state on how to get those bills to them properly um and uh and update our our grant system so we can get reimburseed. So we're starting the reimbursement process now. >> Good job question. >> Yes.

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>> What's the total estimate for bringing that up to restoration? So currently right now, we would not know how much that would be until the plans are finalized and then we can get some quotes on that. Um I can probably get with them where they're at,

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uh Mr. Dodge, and and I can get that answer to you and the rest of the board. Um but I would assume that based on those plans and the amount of work that we're going to do, we've come up with a per square foot price and I'll get back back what you all have, but I don't have any firm cost at this time. So, so RUG

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has not given any rough estimate. >> Not not not based on the scope of work that they're working on and they're doing right now. No sir. >> During their their uh work with us, not at all. >> I believe historically what they did

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before there was some other work that has been taken out of that scope because originally their design schematic and cost cost was going to be around 120,000. We said, "Look, we have only $50,000 to get this work done." So, they removed some of that work. The less design they have to do, the less money

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it's going to cost us. Based on the scope of work that they have right now currently, I have not got a price, but I think I have seen some preliminary numbers that were provided a year or so ago or two years ago. I will get that to you. >> Oh, thank you. >> Yes, sir.

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And um in the funding um you spoke of of grants will will be funded other ways. >> You know, that's something that we're going to have to discuss. Uh and that's fluid because if a private entity wanted to come in and help or there was a

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private public partnership, then the conversation changes. Um in regard to grants, there are specific historic grants. I know that as of late they have not been putting a lot of money towards that. I don't know if that's going to be changing in the near future. However, I

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did bring up to the commission just recently in our last uh March meeting a few of grants that are opening and some opportunities that we're going to look at. Um, so to answer your question, yes, grants are going to be what's needed, but I think there's also possibly a

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other other avenues and resources that we could utilize. And we'll be looking at all the above measures to do that. >> And what's the square footage? >> Uh, I don't I don't have that off the top of my head. I apologize. >> From looking at it, I would say probably

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first floor somewhere around maybe 2500 square feet. somewhere around there just just from the optics about 2500 square feet >> on the first floor >> on the first floor. I have not been in I still would like to take a visit over there but I know there is a second floor and the use of that I don't know how

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much if it's if it's going to be a loft is going to be the same square footage with stairs or eventually an elevator things of that nature I don't know but the slab itself about 2,00 to 2500 square ft >> and and once it's completed what will it

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be used for? That's up to That's up to >> um the purpose. Um well, first we the concerned citizens of South Putnham, we required um requested from the city to be able to take um ownership of this

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building because it holds a lot of value to the um black community. And our purpose was to be able to have a building to continue the work that we do in the community. Um, but not just for

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the organization to benefit from it. We want the community to be able to benefit from it. Somebody um come in and want to do a workshop. Um it could be um just something somebody

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up here want to have a a meeting that don't have a building when we are doing um educating on different platforms like we have did platforms

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such as housing um teaching people about healthc care when the storm came in 2017 I think it was um we went out because we don't have money. We go out to find

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resources that are available to help. So a lot of the roofs that you see that was put on at one time that was part of something that would rebirth out of us having a annual

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every March. We haven't had it, but some type of um seminar to bring people in to share those resources with people in the community. Also, from that, many of the houses that you see that are being built

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from Rebuild Florida, it stem from inviting those people into our community. Because when this first went down with the storm, they they the commissioner shared not ours in Putnham

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County said that we were fine in South County. But Rick Scott did an amazing job. He said, "Why are those people still asking for help in South?" and he sent those resources down here for us

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through what the concerned citizens had established having um workshops um so people can come in and assist the people in the south community and um my agency out of St. Augustine

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contacted their office and that's how we're getting these houses built. those people were able to get um help from the damages where FEMA and insurance companies were not helping them. >> So, but that's what we plan to do um

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with the building um mainly educate um our community on resources, continue to build um together um because that's what our organization is about, bringing the community together. So

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>> that that's what we'll be utilizing the building for cuz we don't have a building. >> So you would have >> we'll have a we'll have a building. >> Is it under your ownership now? >> No, it's not. No, it's not. >> So that's going to be done later. >> Um yes, at a later um date. That that

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was the plan moving forward. >> Sure. >> Yes. >> Well, might it be done after it's restored? >> So um hopefully that that will be the plan. So great. Yes. Okay. Will the city put funding into it? >> I couldn't answer that question at this

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time. U >> not that you know of it. >> Not that I know at this time. I couldn't answer that question. I would imagine in a perfect world the city would love the opportunity to collaborate with the group. Um create possibly a wonderful community center that can be utilized for many things. I could see people

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coming in for birthday parties. Not only that, but getting uh education on our area, having a welcome center, you know, that's to open to all. But the space, you're in a historical building. There's going to be, you know, and I say artifacts, but there's going to be things there that you bring in to show

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the history of our area, show what the building was used for, names. I heard there's names already on walls. And I mean, these are things that have to be preserved. It's uh it it's shining diamond. It just needs to be polished. I mean, so diamond in the rough has to be polished and it can be a shining diamond

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for our city. So, I believe collaboration is there. Um, but again, knowing what those numbers are, what that deal is, we don't know till we get further down the road. First things first, we get these plans done. We execute these small grants so we can have the basis to be able to ask for

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more money later and say, "Hey, this is the work that we've done. This is what we put in it. We're ready to go. We need to get this building up and rolling. Here's the plans for it. We need a million dollars or we need a half a million or whatever it may be." And we start that process. That's where we are right now, Mr. Dodge. and and I look

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forward to being part of that process. I know this group does as well and I think it's going to be a great thing for our city. >> And let me um also put this out there. So when you have these type of buildings, historical buildings, um the

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community needs to know, the public needs to know that those prices are up there because you um certain only certain people with certain credentials are allowed to work on those buildings.

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And so with that being said, you know, they already price it high because they are these companies are already expecting you to be able to get this money through grants and there are grants out there. You just got to be

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able to to find them. There is grant money for um certain historical buildings. Um, one of our things we are working but we needed to know um when we get all the information on what what we

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need to do because we are also working to have money to be able to help as well. But we had to make sure one the building restructure this next step once we get the that is going hopefully we can you know go um to people that we

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know and ask hey we're trying to restore this building can we depend on you >> to help. So, >> um, a a lot of the projects that I've worked on, they have, um, the architect stays involved through that whole

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process and actually signs off or or guides or whatever, but to make sure it's all done the right way. >> Um, is this RNG, is that the name of it?

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Are they uh does their contract involved any of that involvement later or is it just hands you plans goodbye? It's not hand plans goodbye. I mean from the very beginning of the process uh we went and looked at our our procurement um portion

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of it. You know usually you go out for an RFQ qualifications and then you have an RFP process for proposals based on the scope of work. The one good thing that saved time and money for the city is that we had a continuing services contract with REGG and one of my

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commissioners, Commissioner Lori, had helped me find the information and we contacted Ricardo and and we contacted the company and they actually had a little trouble finding it, but we got the documents that were needed. We got the state to approve it. And to answer

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your question in short, no, they're not going to just hand off and be gone, but they will hand off and wait for the next steps because we have a continuing services contract with them. They are a wonderful company with depth. Um, they have connections. They know where the

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historic money is and the grants. And so, I can definitely see utilize them, leveraging that that connection and the work that we have with them and already our history to come out with good results and to help us find those grants. So, I don't see why that can't happen in the future.

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>> It kind of keeps it keeps it all on a level where somebody may know somebody that does that kind of work and whatever. But if it's not being done done exactly right, >> then that is a personal thing that's

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good or bad. You know, it's upsetting to be able to have to have to say this isn't acceptable. Whereas if a professional comes and does that, it's it's just a totally different level of u of involvement. >> And Reg is probably one of the finest

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firms in the state regarding historical preservation. >> Yes. >> Uh Rick the the president of course was the president of the Florida Historic Trust and has sat on many of the grant boards

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>> etc. So um couldn't be more pleased. I happen to work with with Re and Jupiter project. >> So I hope we can afford to do that the right way. >> Yes. That's I mean that's the only way

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that we want you know to be able to do that the correct way because I mean we you get anybody to go in there and >> Yeah. >> You know >> I don't think we could be better positioned than where we are and using who we are who who we're using. um to move this process forward. And that

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really goes into what we're going to be discussing tonight in new business, which is a um historic preservation ordinance. And this is going to help us with our historic buildings and and guide how we're going to make sure that those buildings are safe, that they're properly renovated, if they are getting

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renovated, that there are um you know, controls, and that they're checks and balances for that so we can maintain our historic um designation. So, we'll get into that tonight. >> Okay, that sounds good. >> All right, thank you.

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Okay, our next item is Miller Middle School. And speaking of Reg, of course, Reg uh was contracted to do the analysis on the uh Miller School um which was a fine

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piece of work and um and um so our our work with with the school still continues and um of course it's uh it takes great detail and Um and

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we'll re be reporting later with an update. Um we are reaching out to the community you see to ask what they would like to see at the facility. So many people have talked about

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um a 24-hour or after hours minor emergency facility. Um obviously there's the stage, there's the gym, there's the cafeteria, there are so many possibilities of usage. um there um that

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makes it very feasible and very exciting >> of course um and um and so we're we're moving forward with that and um later on we'll be delighted to give a report. >> Okay.

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>> So excuse me. So you stated that you all are um trying to get the input from um the community. um how do we give our input on what we think she might with

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the building, you know, what could go down in there? Well, it's a great opportunity for your organization because to expand the possibility of utilizing that facility, particularly with its great history,

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>> you know, with um um with our black society in in a leader in the state >> uh in integration. Uh so um the historical society you can you can simply email visit >> okay

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>> through there and uh the uh and any way that the historical society can work with you on it that's what we're there for. So we'd be delighted to be a partner and in fact the the importance of the new moon lodge was first brought

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up by a historical society member Jim >> Sty >> if you remember um and uh so um we've already been involved. >> Right. Right. >> And and look forward to working closely with you.

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So we I mean we we we have a lot of buildings and we're going to be dealing with this with the elementary school after a while too. So it's crazy. So So we have a lot that we need to preserve here. >> And the beauty of of course the medical

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school is as I just repeated the uh this area stage 400 seats. >> Um that gymnasium um the land around it, the the administration building. Um,

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>> excuse me, Dan. I'm sorry to interrupt you. If you could take your mic just so Yes. >> I may not be able to look towards you. >> Sorry. Thank you. >> So, it's >> okay. >> Thank you.

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All righty. Okay. Any else? Okay. um our historical district report. >> Derek, will you take us through this? >> On the historic district report, um I did not have anything for you on

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that. My focus wasn't on the old business. It was on the historic preservation ordinance review, but I don't have anything for the district report. Are we talking about the what we're waiting for as far as the funds? >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. Um >> so there's no update. Okay. Then then I have something for you on that. I'm sorry. >> So I I was told um that the monies were approved.

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>> The budget is not done yet. >> Okay. Will you come up please? Thank you. Save me. Hello everyone. >> Thank you. >> Hi, PJ Lori. Uh, Commissioner Lori5

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Avenue. Thank you. Um, right now one thing that that Derek was alluding to is the fiscal year 2027 small matching grant. That was what we applied for um in order to update our national register historic district. Um

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Paul Weaver last year did that new survey with all the new buildings in it are buildings that are now now newly historic which is an obvious one but the ones that are now considered historic because it's been 50 years. Um the last one was done in 1995. We established um

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the present city historic district there and it was put on the national register of historic places. um you're supposed to do a survey and update every 10 years. We kind of skipped a waited while so um doing it 30 years later, there's all kinds of new buildings now. And so

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where we have done the first step, which is the survey, and we have all that data and all that information about all the buildings that were existing in the historic district and now all these additional buildings that are around. Um the next and the next job is to update

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the National Register District. So, we hope that Paul will come back and work for us again. But that's what we applied for a $50,000 wall matching grant, which I know is misleading because it's not matching for us. We don't have to put any money in because we're a Main Street community and we're an RPI community.

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Um, so it's not matching for us. So, it's up to $50,000. We were ranked they they taken they rank all the grants. I just looked, we're number 19 in the list uh out of about 40. Um, and what they basically do is they start at the top and they keep going until they run out of money. Um, and so that all of course

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depends on what the state legislature decides to fund. And as you know, right now the state legislature has not come to agreement on the budget this year for the next fiscal year. So they still have a few months and I'm sure it's going to take every bit of that for them to get that done. But um, we are in good shape

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because we're in the top half. They almost always will fund at least the top half. I mean, so it usually reaches that's what happened the year before and the year before we got those funds, the funds that are paying for the Newman Lodge construction documents and then the funds that paid also for the um this

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the survey update. So we've always been in that top half, so we hope we're okay. Um I know as of right now the draft of the House uh budget does have full funding for that program. Um the Senate does not. So, um, that's something that

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they sit there and we'll go back and forth on. So, we're in good shape. We think we'll be fine. We'll know whenever they decide and finish and you know, meeting together and coming up with the budget. So, um, but that that's what's going on there. And so, when we do that,

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that will be available starting June 1st. Um, or July 1st. June 1st. July 1. and then we'll um he'll start that work or we'll put out an RFP for it and then we'll start that work and have it done by next year. And so

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and also one of the things I was going to bring up and one of the reasons I was here is I know it's hard to imagine but while we're waiting to find out about this grant, it is time to put in the application for next year's grant >> because that's how it takes them literally a year to go through the whole process. Um uh they they open up for

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grants right now or in April and then it usually cuts off in June. I think that's when it's they're due. Um, and then they they go through the process, they rank them and score them and then it goes to the legislature and I mean it's all this is my third time going through this and I still can't imagine how long it takes

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and how far ahead we have to do. So um that's something that you know uh has to go to the city commission to decide but a recommendation from this board would be helpful um or some ideas really. Um, I had talked to Jenny Wolf who was um

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involved with Paul Weaver doing the our our historic survey update. Um, one of the things that she mentioned is we write our historic preservation ordinance, but as you'll see on your your a I did that, so it was worth the money. Um, another thing that she was talking about

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is there's some other planning um things that we can do. There's um what a city usually put together a a historic preservation plan that kind of has um a lot of ton of big picture things about how you preserve a district uh or you

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know an area like ours and what what to focus on and what kind of projects the the city should be doing to help support that and kind of promoting the historic district which is another opportunity or another option or there would kind of be a package of things that maybe do together um and that will add up to

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$50,000 Um, I was also looking there's also a way find you can one of the categories is way finding. We could use it to put together um some signage for the historic district that we have. Um it would be kind of awkward though if we're

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going to change the size of the historic district because that's what that this next grant would be with Paul Weaver. He's going to take all those new houses and stuff because now it's everything before 1975 and kind of redraw and reconfigure the district that we have because what they do is they try and

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make when he did when they did the survey in 1995, they looked at all the homes that qualified at historic and they try to draw a line around it and get the highest concentration of the you know historic properties. So you try and get the most that you can without other

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buildings in the way. Um, so that's why it's mostly, you know, it's Central Avenue, it goes over to Lake Stella. Um, it goes down includes the school and goes down to L Avenue and up to Magnolia like a block of Magnolia. So that's was the highest concentration. Now that we

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would include everything up to this somewhere in the 70s um and also B it's based on how you know what what the focuses of the historic districts that might change size. So I don't know. Um, but that is just something that I wanted to bring to everyone's attention because

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we do have to have a grant together in the next two months. So, I think I answered the question. >> I don't know what was the question. >> No, it was about the historic district report. You gave it. You did good. Thank you very much. >> Thank you.

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>> Thank you very much. >> I try not. I'm not going to follow up with that. That was good. >> I can't. All right. Okay. Next item is architectural and site guidelines.

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>> And I believe this is covered in the ordinance, is it not? >> Yeah. So, we're going to go through some of that stuff in the ordinance. Okay. >> I know we discussed that last time about having that and having the need for it and and that's been captured here in

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this ordinance 20261. So we'll just uh eliminate it as a separate line item and include it under the ordinance. >> Yes. >> For next time. Thank you. >> Okay. All right. So we're at number five, new

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business items, historical preservation ordinance review. >> Okay. So I put together, you'll have in front of you a briefing sheet. I do this for the commission on any main or major item just so you have an overview. The

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purpose usually typically I have a purpose and a and um and an ask. Um in this case I just want to read a little bit of the very top end. The purpose of the review of course is to provide the historic preservation board with a clear and comprehensive understanding of the

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major components, intended functions and policy implications of the proposed historic preservation ordinance. Originally drafted as a companion to the city's um land development code, the ordinance was never formally adopted uh following tonight's review of the finalization of this board. The

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completed ordinance will be forwarded to the city manager, myself, and to the city commission for consideration as a standalone regulatory chapter at the commission's regular meeting in May. Um with that being said, take the time to go ahead and go through the document and

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look. There are nine sections. Um, I want to point out to the ninth, which in my rush I uh, in my haste I put this together, but I want to make sure that tonight we focus on whether the designation process provides sufficient clarity, transparency, and owner partnership or participation,

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whether the oversight process for demolition, new construction, and alterations uh, fit Crescent City's needs, how the ordinance integrates with the existing land development code, the impacts on city staff workload, property owners, and future future development

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and whether the city is prepared to pursue CLG certification. Okay. Uh with that being said, please take a moment to go through and look at the briefing sheet which takes most of the key uh components and kind

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of dives them down into a short summary. Um if I may, Madam Chair, take one second and I'll come back. Okay. >> Thank you very much. But then That's like to go through back and forth.

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It's 14 pages long. >> That's exactly the Let me ask you this. What makes a city in the nomination process whether it contributes to its or

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has be >> and that's what makes it a contributing >> okay so it's just like a city level or federal. >> Okay. And the ordinance is required for the CLG

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>> and the CLG is an entirely separate process that will get underway once this is in place. >> Yeah. Because the ship state office

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it's enabled by national legislation but the ship is science and it gives us a different usual and standards are about too. You have to have a CLG to put that in place. >> Yeah, I know. I don't know as much about

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that. Yeah, because this back in place. how we're sending them demolition. when you all are ready as well. I've asked Commissioner Lorie since he was uh very intimate with putting this together

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to come up and speak to us. He'll be able to answer more questions in regard to these why, the hows, and some of the time frames. You want me to do now? Are you guys ready for me now? Sorry. Mr.

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>> I don't know if we're ever ready for you. >> I know. >> I love being here, but I spent a lot of time in this room. >> We appreciate that. >> Absolutely. >> I have a question. >> Yes, sir.

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>> So, the governance will be this city board. >> Yes. Is >> that correct? >> Yes. question. >> We were we were just joking on that. It's it's redundant because y'all are already set in place. But this and this is Yeah. And I'm not sure if we might

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>> we have to modify it. >> It's possible that we might have to reappoint you actually to the preservation board >> once the ordinance >> once the pass because >> in theory you don't really exist right now, >> right? >> I mean, thanks a lot. and all I mean

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>> to be you know I know you exist and I appreciate you >> don't have to but uh Commissioner Lori I have another question >> so some of us sit on on the P PNZ and we

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sit on this board >> yes >> under the this new governance ability will we be able to sit on both >> yes that has been my that's my understanding from what the about the safe or preservation office explained to me. Um, in fact, it it's not because

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you're on planning and zoning does not make you automatically on this. So, you would all just be appointed to historic preservation board. Um, >> but the city has a policy you can only serve on one >> Oh, that's actually there's there's a

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state law that about dual office holding. Um this is not this is this would not conflict with that because you're a part of the whole is what I understand. You're separate but you're not dual office only because you're not serving here in another city

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or you're not serving on the commission and on here but because these are complimentary boards you you're allowed. So that's that was my understanding that's what I I raised that with Tallahassee um and they insisted that this is the bordering that will work. So,

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>> so for further clarity, so uh any of us could sit on another city board? >> I don't believe so. It's just that these two planning and zoning I can't do this with my fingers. >> Sort of intertwined. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. I I get the gist of it. Thank you. >> And like I was saying, because our

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historic preservation ordinance was removed from our ordinances when we recodified last year, that would basically have made this group disappear. But thankfully, you guys are still here. Um and that's why you're reviewing this that basically creates you. So, it's just a weird technicality.

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Um, but we we've kind of continued to pretend as if the reservation ordinance is there, but this is a whole new ordinance starting from scratch, which is why it was such a big deal to take this much time to get through it. Um, and I've vetted this with Tallahassee. They've sent me back some comments. I've

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rewritten it, sent it back to them again. Um, and our city attorney is vetting this right now. Um, and you guys hopefully get a chance to look at it and and hopefully forward it on to the city commission. I mean, this is all still drafts. Things still got to change. In fact, I sent Derek a copy on it Monday

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or Tuesday and then went home and found about 10 things that need to be fixed. So, I changed them and then sent another draft to him. So, I already changed a few times this week. So it's um it's a it meets all the requirements of

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the CLG program which is something that the city um has you know ever since I served on planning and zoning um which was almost four years ago um has been a stated goal of the city and we haven't now covered a plan. We've talked about

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it multiple times and we haven't taken any steps towards that. This will give this should be a completely CLG um compliant ordinance. That's why I was working with Tallahassee. So, and with that certified local government status,

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it gives um us a different pot of money to get to get those um grants from. So, we don't have to compete against all those other 40 people. We're going to be like a quarter of that. Um and it's a different funding source that actually comes from the federal government through um the state. So, it's not up to

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the legislature. Um, which seems to be a benefit. It also gives us a little bit more leeway as far as establishing historic districts and what we can do to protect them. Um, it is a really it's one of those things that we don't

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realize how great it is until we actually are doing it and have it. But uh the the whole goal of this and the whole one of the whole reasons behind this was not only to have historic presence but have one that is qualifies and ticks all those boxes which there's quite a few boxes. Um and that way we

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become a CLG and hopefully reach that goal that we've had for a long time and u and I'm sure as you guys know it's you know it's important to preserve and uh protect these uh places in our in our town our city. Um, we do have we are lucky to have such a a beautiful town

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with such great history that goes back so far. It's uh every time I every time I see another city I see when they were established and I'm like hey we beat them like 50 years or something like that. We've been around a long time but just a little across the city. Um and I

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mean I grew up here and as you know you don't really you don't appreciate it as much because you're just around it. You're just like that's that's what the town looks like. And it was my best friend's house that I used to go over and spend the night in in the attic all the time where his bedroom was was overund years old then.

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I mean it was just like that house is it's gorgeous. >> Yeah. >> Um it's I just I'm not used I was just desensitized by it because I was always around it. So we are lucky to have that here. And I mean as you see as our on our welcome signs, you know, this is historic present city. I mean that's we

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are a historic city. We should be proud of that. We need to protect it. And so, um, I'm hoping that that that this ordinance will estab, you know, protect that and and accomplish that. So, move on. >> Well, the briefing sheet is very well done and thank you for that.

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>> It really is. >> My uh my last question for a moment will be um we talked about having the preservation society involved in the review. >> Yeah. >> When when will and how will that enter? >> And Mr. Miller just showed me that. I'm

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sorry. I apologize. it because I just got this finished this week and like I said I already sent more changes to it today um to try and get it done for this for this group. Um I have not had a chance to give it to the historical society. I can you know I I can send it

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by email and distribute it to the board members and so because I mean this is not my ordinance. I mean I'm just the one that was lucky enough to stick it all together. Um this needs to be everybody. We're very grateful for your work and you you know as we all recognize you saved the city a great

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deal of money >> which we always appreciate which we're always doing. So um so you'll email it to the to the >> Yes. Yeah. And and how do you recommend they get back to the city?

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>> They can I can put the city manager's email address on it. They can email them. So the the preservation society should decide whether we need a special meeting to coordinate the comments

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>> to to get >> you could I might give you a little relief. >> Sure. >> From the number of emails. Okay. Thank you very much. >> A lot of them are for me. Several day.

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Thank you. >> And of course uh the the purpose today is to sanction this for our board approval so it passes on to the city commission where there will be another public meeting for com further comments

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recommendations or editing. >> And I just want Mr. Nor remind me of something. Um there is of course the reason why I worked so hard on this trying to get it done is there's a sense of urgency without because of the fact that we don't have a historic preservation ordinance in place early. So, you know, every day that goes by,

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there's um, you know, nothing protecting the houses from being torn down, which that is one of the parts that's in here that's, you know, that we'll have to set up is, of course, the building department, right? They're now is the legislative um mechanism to make sure

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that it passes through us before they get and then, right, they write a hearing that you guys would do before any demolition permit would be issued. So that the owner would have to prove to you that it is that it's the proper decision to tear it down. Um which you

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would have you would be able to >> So the request for demolition come before this board before it goes to the local building. >> That's how it would be. >> But it would go to the building department. is if an owner wants to and

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goes into the building department in pla and requests a permit the request would come through the through the city manager yes or the planning and zoning consultant um and that would trigger the review correct so they will have a list of all our homes that are or all our

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addresses that are in the historic in the historic district and each anytime one of those is you know applied for >> contributing structure >> yeah anri structure >> so we'll have to ensure that The communication between the county which is contracted to two or our or permits

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>> um and the city is is is very tight. >> Yes. >> Because historically they've been bumps >> and and there was never a mechanism before where they were told if it this is the address you need to do this. Right now, if you have a piece of land and you go to apply for a building

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permit to build something on it, the the request comes through here and then goes back up to LA and it says it actually will go to Ze. >> So, I agree. This is a more more formal process. However, uh this board more

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than a year ago, maybe two years ago, requested to be notified and and uh often perhaps was not. So, >> and I think that effort is going to have to take place between my communication with the county and setting up the mechanism through which

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>> this is going to give us teeth to do that. >> Teeth is what's >> correct >> the change. And I think as far as your question on review, um just so you know my process when I I'm I have moved into

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when we have um I like to give my commissioners plenty of time to read up on this because the last thing that I want to do is have a threehour session just on one subject with questions. I want to answer them. I want to build this briefing sheet just

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like them or just like this for you all for them. And so my hope is that if if Commissioner Lori can get that out to um the people in the historic society that need to review it that their comments come back as quickly as possible so we

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can make any edits or changes that need to be done. We have a little less than a month. Um, our May meeting is I don't know what the date would be in May, but we're the 16th and so we've got the 14th. So, we're a little little less

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than a month. So, I'd like to to make sure that we we're ready. >> So, if if the next uh commission meeting it is approved, then when when it is how long does it take to enforce it?

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>> Well, you have two you have to have two readings, correct? June meeting it'll be read at the main meeting and it would be at the June meeting as well for the second reading >> and if approved then it would take immediately. >> I got a question to ask um from a

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um procedural can a second reading be on a consent agenda or does it have to have a second reading? has a public hearing >> has has so it has a >> the public any orans public has to have a chance to make comment.

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>> Okay. I just wasn't sure if they can still make comment even if it was on consent. >> Okay. Fair enough. >> Thank you question. >> Yes we will. Thank you. >> All right.

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Got this. So that we need to >> one one more one more question. Commissioner Lori, when you worked on this, I know you had worked with the state on some of the language, has has the entire body of work been kind of reviewed by anybody up there? >> Yes. >> Perfect.

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>> The first time around and it's now come back to them this week. So, >> okay. That's Thank you. >> That was his suggestion. He sent me back marked up versions of two that I combined the two of them and I said make sure to send it back to him um before we adopt it and I have. So

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>> Well, that's wonderful. Commissioner, have you heard back from him since you sent the second? >> No, I just I said it yesterday. So >> Oh, okay. >> And it'll take a few days. >> So I assume you would in shortly. >> Yes, I should. If it if it's as complete

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as I think it should as it is, I think it should be fairly quickly. leure is for teenagers. So that's >> Thank you. >> Okay. So I this time we would need to um make a motion

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to go on the proposed historical preservation ordinance. and recommend that it goes to the >> that it is presented to the city commission of Crescent City.

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>> I second. >> Somebody has to >> somebody has to make a motion. >> You want to make a motion? >> I second. Thank you. >> Okay. >> That's what you were trying to get out. I apologize. So, I make a motion that we

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um present the uh ordinance 20126 section one to the city commission. >> I second. It has been properly motioned and second

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that we present the proposed historical preservation ordinance to 2026 draft to the city commission of Crescent City. Take a moment. >> Alice McCoy.

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>> Yes. >> Yes. >> Frank Murray. >> Yes. >> Dan Dodge. >> Yes. >> Hardy. >> Yes. Glover chairman. >> Yes.

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>> Thank you. >> All right. At this time, do we have any public comments? Okay. All right. So if there's nothing else, the April 16th planning and no historical

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preservation meeting is a jer. >> Okay, go ahead. I'm sorry. >> You all were spoiling me with this short of a meeting. >> He's gotten better. He's gotten better >> with her. >> Enjoy your

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I'm going to go put