Are you sure? I'd like to call this meeting to order. >> Adequate notice of this meeting was provided in accordance with chapter 231 public law 1975. >> I'd like to take a moment of silence meditation.
Thanks for everything that we have. Stand for the flag. Commissioner Robertino us to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it
stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Clerk, >> Commissioner Alino >> here. >> Commissioner Al >> here. >> Commissioner Romero >> here. >> Commissioner Rose >> present.
>> Commissioner Taylor >> here. >> Deputy Director Mar >> here. >> Director Sara >> here. >> Do I have a motion and second to open public comment on resolutions only? ation. >> Second.
>> All in favor? >> Anyone from the public wish to come forward and speak on the resolutions only? Please state your name and location. [Music] >> I would like to speak, but it's on a new topic.
>> Not on resolution. It's not on resolution. >> It's something that I want to bring up. >> Yeah. Okay. >> But normally we say that towards the end of the meeting. >> I can wait till the end of the meeting. >> No, go ahead. Step forward.
>> I go >> to the podium right there. Um, good evening. My name is Nora Eller and my address is 310 Methodist Road in Newport. and I'm here about a sit a traffic situation.
Um I have spoken on several occasions to the state police. They referred me to you. Um the speeding situation on Baptist Road, Methodist Road, Landing, and Fortissue is outrageous.
There are cars that are well they are going minimum and I'm I'm not a speedometer of 50 miles an hour and it's a 25 mph zone. When I spoke with the police about it they said that well they do have uh patrol men that come around
but I don't know that coming around for 15 minutes a week is going to solve the problem. Um, we have children that play there. We have, uh, my our cat was killed last week. Uh, it is absolutely
horrific. And with the construction that's going on in Foriscu, the trucks barrel down that road, it it's insane. And I feel very unsafe. and I came here to speak with you to see
if there's what your protocol is, if there's anything that can be done, whether it be something like a couple of speed bumps. The light that's on the corner I'm these are just things I thought about the light that's on the corner of Fortiske and Landing Road is a
blinker. Possibly that could be changed to a traffic light. But uh I am not the only one concerned about this. everyone. I'm here representing everyone is concerned about it and I just don't know how um something like this is handled.
It's very serious and I wouldn't be here if it wasn't and um I'm worried. Uh we moved here uh to Cumberland. Um I had a house in Manisquan, Mammoth County um for 40 years and we loved this area. We
moved here. Um, I am a retired teacher. My partner is an attorney. We moved here because we found it to be peaceful and beautiful and natural and simple and quiet with the exception of the Indie
500 in front of the house. And I'm worried. And I'm worried about myself, my family, um, the other children in the neighborhood, the pets. And uh I wanted to know what your protocol is for something like that. >> Direct direct.
>> Was there anything else? >> Excuse me. >> Was there anything else? >> Oh, no. I'd like a response. >> Okay. Well, we what we do is we wait till everybody's done and respond one after another. Okay. >> Oh, all right. Thank you. I've never done this before. So, >> it's okay. No, we'll we'll we'll we'll
definitely give you a response. That's okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Is there anyone else that like to come forward? >> I Okay. Um, just bear with me a second to
Commissioner. All right. Because of legalities. Okay. Um, there are a lot of things that and it's going to sound like we're passing the bar. It really is. Uh there's things that we're allowed to do and there are
things that we're not allowed to do. Uh our VA Kevin, do you have >> I I would I would defer I defer to council. We can I'm sure we go on. >> We actually tackled we had someone else completed probably a year two years ago
and we we actually brought we actually brought a for the engineer. I went to the engineer and asked what we could do. engineer said, "Well, we put up a flash uh light, but what that does is make people go faster." So, it sounds weird, but the you know, slow down what, but
they actually speed up to uh but we did do it, but we also combined it with the the uh at that time we didn't have a I don't know the sheriff's department was part of it or not, but we did contact the state police. We tried to have multi
like I don't know if you remember we that we tried to tackle that way that it wasn't just one department so we I mean I say we tried so what it has to be done again we do it again that's >> well okay we can't go back and forth
what we want to do is address and explain to you what we can and can't do all right um one of the things you brought up was a traffic light that is because you're changing an intersection you have to get uh permission from the state of New Jersey to do anything when
it comes to a traffic anytime you change an intersection. Am I correct? Correct. >> Sure. I would assume that you're going to refer this to Doug Whitaker, your engineer for traffic control review, as well as reaching out to your partners such as New Jersey State Police, Department of County Sheriff, and DPW
for any signage. >> As far as speed limits are concerned, we actually don't set the speed limit. We're not allowed to. >> Okay. Again, that comes through the state of New Jersey. Now, we can make recommendations, but as you can see, you already have it set at 25. And
obviously, they're not doing that. Now, what we could do, um, we can speak with our sheriff. He's not here. Okay. We can speak with our sheriff and see if there's any way that we can do any kind of patrolling in
the area. uh we can speak with state police and tell them concerns that have been coming to the board and see if we can get them to move. Also, uh other than that, it's going to be a tough road on this one. Do you have anything else to add, John?
>> Well, sure. Just the one uh DPW for any signage or lights, which is what I think we did before, right, which I think you were considering as well. So, to refer the matter up, she's come to the right place. Right? You guys have the ability to make those connections. As far as
what substantive change takes place, that's the frustration. >> Here's here's what we can say to you. We encourage you. We listen to you. We will respond and we will contact individuals to see if we can make a change.
>> Hello. Wonderful. I have you. >> So, matter of fact, let's you Kevin and I have been there together one time. Is that island in steep run? >> Right. This is where they got the the light. >> Yeah. This is
this is this is in New >> Speaking about practically the same situation. >> I I can't ask a question. >> Yeah. Go ahead. I'll let >> um So I know that you handle the roads because that's why Oh, I first went to
the township. Then they sent me to the police and the police sent me here and um nothing like a the speed bumps would probably be the rest. I suggest to the police that they must have dozens of
cars of police cars if they could just put some one park empty on the road. Uh every time I see a police car, I slow down. Yeah, the speed bump is another is another >> the speed bumps that's more or less out
of question. We can we can we can put rumble strips that enter an intersection a four. Okay. A four-way intersection. >> What what are those rumble strips? >> Yes, it's it's a it's it's like thick paint. I'm going to explain it to you
that way. It might be about a/4 inch high. What it does is it rumbles a little bit but it's not a speed bump per se. >> Okay. But it would alert alarm alarm. >> Yes. Again, we have to get permission on that. That poll will go to our engineer
and see how that works out. >> I think I believe that um I spoke with believe her name was Savannah and um she told me that the engineer would she would give the engineer the message and he would call me back. But I
haven't heard from him. Okay. Is >> it here? >> You uh Kim, you have all her information. >> She's getting information. >> Okay. Get her the information and we will get back to you. Okay. >> Yes. I don't want to hold up this whole meeting, but I'm so worried
>> and >> we understand there's unfortunately there's a lot of situations like that throughout the county that we've been working with the state of New Jersey to try to affect some kind of change in >> it's >> because I I will long road to change some of these. Now, is there anybody that I could I don't want to jump over.
I'm not a jumper over, but is there anybody in the state that I can contact? I have no problem with that. Um, is there some place? >> Not because I'm not done. >> This is going to be between county, city, state police,
>> uh, our engineering and see if we can do something. >> Okay. One last thing, it appears that this has been an ongoing problem for a long time. And and again, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but between the
township, the police, and this, nothing has worked. So, I think for our safety, I mean, of the safety of the taxpayers, um for our safety, the children's safety, the pet safety, everything. I think that um
I truly appreciate you looking into it and I'll be looking forward to hearing from you. >> Mr. What is your last name? >> Eller E L. >> Um I would also suggest because it is a state department of transportation issue that you reach out to the state representatives as well. >> And who would what department what would
that be? >> Your state senator is Michael Ta. Your state assemblymen are Eric uh Eric Simon and Antoine >> Mlen. Excuse me. What's the first the second person's name? >> So, you're going to look for the your New Jersey state representatives, your New Jersey state senator, and your New
Jersey state assemblymen, they could be very helpful as well in being advocates at the state level because at this point it is a state issue. So, while we are certainly advocating for it at the county level, uh we always reach out to our state representatives as well to help advocate.
>> I appreciate that very much. So, I will contact Mr. Tester. >> The more the more squeaky wheels, right? There you go. >> Yeah. Again, >> thank you, Miss I. I love it down here. I do, but >> Okay. Thank you so much. All right. Madam clerk,
>> department head comments. Anyone? >> Seeing none. Let's move forward. >> Resolution 2025-521. Resolution awarding a contract for providing scheduling routing software for the county area trans system RFP 25-30. Do I have a
motion and second? So moved. >> Second. >> Commissioner Alino. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Albreight. >> I I just make a comment about this. I this I talked to business administrator just briefly about this that uh I hope
and this is a system that's uh will help us establish establish establish roots at least a pilot through this county. I would appreciate that. uh you described we have other benefits from this cab systems are are part of the given to us
uh so I'm hoping that this will help us go forward uh to create a better uh transit system through this county so yes >> commissioner >> yes >> commissioner yes commissioner Taylor
>> yes >> deputy director Maran yes >> yes hold on um which would like to come up and explain the program as far as what kind of how
we're going to benefit by Barbara or Susan Soros project director area transit systems your division of the office on aging and Barbara is here as well. Um she was great with uh as far as crunching the numbers and figuring out really this this was the best value this
eco going with eco lane. Um we does have the cameras and to answer uh commissioner's question uh about going forward they were the only company that has the capability of us to uh integrate uh microtransit in the future and to
create fixed routes. We currently don't have that capability. They also were the best um for reporting because we have to do you know all of our uh grant reporting based on you know writership profiles and things like that. So uh
they have they're in other counties in the state and I did some research and they have wonderful customer service. are really known for that. And so we're looking forward to to working with somebody who's going to, you know, meet our needs for not just to also do power
transit because the issue with the other two companies were they were more geared to microtransit the that we use now and the other bidder which was QIDE. So um you know this is going to be something that that we can work with paratransit.
We can also build on it and create uh fixed routes and also uh integrate u microtransit. But also the fact that they have eco vision included is amazing because we are in having a problem right
now with um the old outdated software. The parts are broken and they're um you can't get parts. So it's this is a real a live system. It's going to be safer and I think that uh across the board
it's it's going to you know really work well for us. So is there any any other questions about it? >> This is providing microtransit programs. This is able. >> This is a rally software called eco lane that is built for paratransit and has
the ability to add on to microransit if if we want to integrate that like with a company like userve they could use the same routing software to integrate the smaller vehicles with the larger buses. >> So two weeks ago I think it was there was a big announcement with the South
Jersey Chamber and the city of that they were introducing new microtransit routes. Does this software work with those routes? >> It would absolutely county. >> We can integrate microtransit regardless of where they're going in the county.
>> Right. I know that was a big a big kind of get for county. Um that partnership that Bland had with the South Jersey Chamber. Is that is that >> I'm not I'm not familiar with that with with that what the city of Vinland has going on with the South Jersey with the chamber. I know that they were looking
for buses to to outer areas, Atlantic City, etc., and we're going to be able to expand, but that's down the road. And this is a company that we know that we can utilize when we start getting these expansion plans in place. >> Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. >> What is the time frame to having this up
and running? >> What's the what >> time frame? When will this be in action? Will you start actually putting roots through this program? >> We should be able to be up and running by what? O mid October. I mean, we're going to >> November 1st, >> November 1st would be the the major
launch after we get have the training and they and they're going to come in person and train where the other company didn't. Okay, they spent one day with us. It just this is a something we're really excited about. >> Okay. I think there's a misunderstanding. Okay. The software will be up and running
>> by November 1st. >> By November 1st. >> The actual roots will not be up and running November 1st. What we'll be doing is we're going to be getting an individual to come in to help set up fixed routing. The advantage of this particular program is that it will be
able to accept that and we will be able to work with it. >> Well, the question was, are you going to be using this? So, by November 1st, you'll be using this. It may not all be set up everything, but it'll take over time. >> We're going to be we're going to be using it and we're going to launch it as soon as possible. We can start the training right away.
>> Okay. Okay. >> Thank you. more comments. Okay, thank you very much. >> Okay, >> resolution 2025-522 resolution reporting fair and open contract to provide an end to end account payable automation system with
third party administration RFP number 25-32. Do I have a motion and second move? >> Second. >> Second. >> Commissioner Ostino, yes. Commissioner Alrech, yes. >> Commissioner Romero, yes. >> Commissioner Lo, yes. Commissioner Taylor,
>> yes. >> Deputy Director Marawn, >> yes. >> Director S, >> yes. >> Resolution 2025-2523, resolution authorizing the award of a non-farant open contract for proprietary software upgrade for the Cland County Clerk's Office. Do I have a motion and second? >> So move.
>> Second. >> Commissioner Oino, >> yes. >> Commissioner Alrech, yes. >> Commissioner Romero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Luds, >> yes. >> Commissioner Taylor, >> yes. >> Deputy Director Marawn, >> yes. Director Sorrow. >> Yes. >> Resolution 2025-524, resolution authorizing the award of a
non-parent open professional services contract for PSA PSDP consolidation study with recommendations for mobile enrichment. Do I have a motion and second? >> Make a motion. >> Second. Second. Commissioner Alino.
>> Yes. >> Commissioner Albright. just to make sure that that we're uh we're going to we're going to bring VOP to handle our next generation uh tax system that's >> Commissioner Romero.
>> Yes. >> Commissioner Loads. >> Yes. Commissioner Taylor, >> yes. >> Deputy Director Maran, >> yes. >> Director Sar, >> yes. Resolution 2025-525 resolution authorizing the award of a nonpar open contract for repair of tray
dishwashing unit at the Cumberland County Department of Correction. Do I have a motion and second? >> I'll make the motion. >> Second. >> Commissioner Oino, yes. >> Commissioner Alrech, yes. Commissioner Romero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Lodes, yes. Commissioner Taylor, >> yes. >> Deputy Director Maran,
>> just have one question. Uh, this is our normal provider for initiating. Um, this is a proprietary product. They would be they would be the the operator that would do the repairs. >> Yes. >> Director Sorrow. >> Yes. >> Resolution 2025-526.
Resolution authorizing a shared service agreement between the county of Cumberland and participating in public entities use of light tower equipment. Do I have a motion and second? Salute. Second. >> Commissioner Alino. Yes. Commissioner Alrech. Yes. >> Commissioner Romero. Yes.
>> Commissioner Lo. Yes. Commissioner Taylor. >> Yes. >> Deputy Director Marshon. >> Yes. >> Director S. >> Resolution 2025-527. Resolution authorizing application to grant funding from the Attorney General's Office for the State Fiscal Year 2025. Alternative responses to
reduce instances of violence and escalation together grant program. Do I have a motion and second? >> I'll make the motion. >> Second. >> Commissioner Alino? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Alrech? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Romero? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Lodes? Yes. >> Commissioner Taylor? Yes.
>> Deputy Director Maran. >> Yes. >> Director Sar. >> Yes. >> Resolution 2025-528. Resolution appointing Nicole Gardner of Vinland as department head of the Cumberland County Library. Do I have a motion and second? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Commissioner Alino.
>> Yes. >> Commissioner Alrech. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Romero. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Loads. Yes. >> Commissioner Taylor. >> Yes. >> Deputy Director Maran. >> Yes. >> Director Sara. >> Yes. Resolution 2025-529 resolution affirming emergency exist at the Cumberland County Department of
Corrections regarding plumbing issues and affirming the repair thereof. Do I have a motion and second? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Commissioner Ostino, >> yes. >> Commissioner Alrech, >> yes. >> Commissioner Romero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Loads, >> yes. >> Commissioner Taylor,
>> yes. >> Deputy Director Maran, >> yes. >> Director Sorrow, >> yes. Resolution 2025-530, resolution authorizing the payment of bills. Do I have a motion and second? >> Commissioner Al, >> yes. >> Commissioner, >> yes.
>> Commissioner Romero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Lo, yes. Commissioner Taylor, >> yes. >> Deputy Director Maran, >> yes. >> Director, >> yes. We're going to move on to the consent agenda. >> That is correct.
[Music] Item 16191 resolution exercising first option to review contract for providing video recording services for the Cumberland County Commissioners meeting RFP number 24-36204 resolution exercising first option to renew contract for providing roadside
tire services with the county of Cumberland and the Cumberland County Cooperative Contract Purchasing System. Identifier number 181 CC CCPS bid number 23 resubmission 16217 resolution authorizing purchase from the New Jersey state contract
vendor for F1 tuning system for communications pwowers for 911 office emergency management 16221 resolution authorizing purchase from New Jersey state contract vendor for network preventative maintenance level one Astro support on-site infrastructure response
standard Astro dispatch service for 911 on emergency communications 16224 resolution exercising second and final option to renew contract for providing truck repair services for the Cumberland County Public Works Department bid number 23-35
16240 Resolution authorizing the award of a non-farant open contract for providing voting machine programming testing and support services for general 2025 election 16241 resolution urging New Jersey state legislature to reframe its affordable
housing legis Legislation 16243 resolution certifying compliance with regulations of the local finance board of the state of New Jersey. 16244 resolution authorizing the use of competitive contracting for proposals to procure law enforcement assisted diversion provider via the Cumberland
County Prosecutor's Office Kas Freedom Federal Grant Program. 16245 resolution authorizing the use of competitive contracting for proposals to procure the visage 15 mental health diversion program for the Cumberland County Prosecutor's Office.
16246 resolution 2003 for excursion bin number 1 FM U41 L833 BC49434 and a 2012 Ford E250 Superduty van VIN number
1 FN T S2 E L O CDA 17070 as surplus and undated property and authorizing sales to the city of Melbourne 16248 resolution approving change order number one and final to contract for fiscal year 2023 federal road program
townships of Fairfield, Hopewell, Lawrence and Norris River, Cumberland County federal project number STBGP D000 003 state job number 6364 bid number 23-32 16249 resolution authorizing extension of the contract for providing scheduling
routing software for the county of Cumberland Cumberland Area Transit System RFP number 23-22 16250 resolution amending resolution 2025-390 authorizing the award of an contract for the purchase of 320 Rickens
gas gift cards 16252 resolution author authorizing purchase from the New Jersey state contract vendor for 20 TCI the braider four boom MC flexible left two C two TCI the greater four boom M flexible right
and 22 helmet mount kits door Avon first responder kit 15 medium six large and one small for the county entry team 16253 resolution authorizing purchase from the New Jersey state contract vendor for 22 Protek tactical helmets with miscellaneous accessories 22 safari
Lane Arbor with miscellaneous accessories for the county entry team. 16256 resolution cancelling his fire contracts for September 2025 covering materials, services, and supplies. 16257 Resolution authorizing purchases from
the state contract vendors. 16261 resolution authorizing grant application to the New Jersey Department of Community Affairs for a recreational opportunities for individuals with disabilities grant. 16262 resolution approving budget amendment state fiscal year 2026 New
Jersey jobs access and reverse commute $440,000 grant funds for New Jersey Transit to operate workforce transportation program 16263 resolution approving budget amendment for the city electric funding $100,000
16266 resolution amending resolution 2024-552 authorizing a subboard agreement with Spir medical centers Cumberland County New Youth violence sessation initiative program in order to accept a grant extension of one year addition
additional year 16267 resolution authorizing application to the New Jersey Department of Human Services Division of Mental Health and Addiction Services for the renewal of the Cumberland County Comprehensive Alcoholism and Drug Abuse Grant for calendar year 2026. Resolution amending resolution 2024-497
resolution award authorizing approval to submit a grant application and to execute executed and a grant agreement with the juvenile justice commission the CY2025 comprehensive county youth services commission planning application. Do I have a motion and second to open
public comment on new business or to work? >> Thank you. You want to finish this? We do have any questions or comments on any of the resolutions?
>> Oh, not yet. No, this has to do with the uh the commissioners. Give me a second. >> We We'll get to Kim in a second. I understand. I understand. And they're excited to get up, too. So it's okay and
seeing none. Okay. Now let's have a motion to open >> motion to open public comment on new business. >> Okay. We need a second. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor. >> All right. All right. Anyone from the public that
wish to come forward and speak on new business? State your name, please, and your location. >> Uh Sandy Aso, upper Deerfield Township. Um, I guess it's my question is on agenda items, but for next week's, um,
the the resolution for Quinn broadcasting that averages out to about $2,000 a meeting. Um, and I would appreciate uh if they're they're putting commercials in at inopportune moments like during
public comments and things like that and it's over the voice of the commercial is overriding the the meeting voice. Um, I don't know if we're paying that kind of money whether we should be interrupted with commercials or not. And
>> wait, we they're actually playing a commercial over this year. But I never saw that and I apologize. I just never seen you. Have you seen that? >> Neither. No. So, thank you for bringing that to us. >> No, I did not know that. Glad I'm glad you said something. >> And the sound quality is horrible.
>> Getting complaints from us. >> I think that's us. >> We we we have to start we have to do something with our >> motion to approve. I'll second. >> No, that that I think I apolog side by sides and then when the
commercial comes on it the voice overrides. >> We will look into that. Thank you so much for that. >> Good evening everyone. I'm Nancy Richqu from Jereious. I realized that none of you was sitting
on this board when the um county correctional facility for functional room was start. But at the last meeting, you can't understand how 2023
CGL had a cost estimate for this new jail that was decided not to be built. And we still have money available from
the grant or the bond that was bonded for. I think there's $51 million left. But the cost was stated at this meeting that it was going to cost $424 million
758,63 and we find that figure to be outrageously high. We don't know where the numbers came from. You weren't here, but that's what was
stated. I went back and checked the recording to make sure I had the figures correct. That's almost a half a billion dollar. And now you're all considering going into an agreement and making a
regional jail with three counties possibly and building another one and having a separate authority to run it. And I'm curious to know how much is that
going to cost now with this bigger with three counties. So, maybe this is the credit figure for $144 million, but uh we need some more figures given out here and uh we really need to know
who this CGL was that gave that figure. Thank you. >> Anyone else like to come forward? a motion to close. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Did you >> I If you want me to answer any of those
questions, I would be willing to answer some of them. >> Oh, okay. Come up. State your name and I'll try to keep this brief. Uh Chuck Albino, director of corrections for Com.
Um first CGL. CGL is a uh correctional comprehensive correctional design and management company uh respectively the world around. Um you you probably couldn't have brought in a better group to give you an analysis uh in terms of
what direction the county should or could go in. uh they're they're just you know I I have nearly 50 years in corrections and I can tell you they're they're as respected as any other uh group. So you you did get take uh a big
step in getting them involved. Um and I don't want to weigh in because it's really a governmental decision as to whether this board decides to build a jail in Cumberland or Camden or Salem. But I can I can tell you that the the present situation that we're in from an operational standpoint is not
sustainable. And uh whatever decision the county makes, whether it be to build one here or or to continue on with the partnership in Camden, um the the thing you have to realize is and it's one of the things that I've experienced over the nearly 3 years that I've been trying
to uh administer the correction system here is um you can build anything you want, but after you're done building it, you also have to stand uh staff it. And I think one of the challenges that Cumberland would face, even if you elected to build a standalone jail in Cumberland County, is you can build it,
but how how easy it will will it be for you to staff it? I know for the last two and a half years, we've exhausted a great deal of energy and effort into trying to get to get bring staff on board. Um the commissioners offered and
and uh negotiated a relatively good salary um which improved our our ability to recruit. But even with all those efforts, it's been difficult uh that we barely, you know, with with all the effort that we put into it over the last two or three years, it's it's we're just
barely keeping pace with retirements and people that just decide the career is not for them. So, um again, it's a decision that's it's really the governing body that's going to make it. But uh I can tell you just from living
this day in and day out, what we're doing now is is not sustainable. And the uh the Hudson situation was becoming extremely difficult for me to manage it. Um you know, there's a five just the transportation alone was a 5-hour round
trip, not counting the amount of time my staff would get stuck, you know, while we were unloading and loading inmates. So, it was getting increasingly difficult to get staff that would be willing to go up. So, um I was in Camden today uh as well as a a team of our
administrative staff and we're going to put our effort into at least trying to make this interim agreement for housing work. Um I don't know if that answers a lot of your questions or concerns. Where CGL comes up with a figure like that is based on like industry standards. I
don't think you can get to an exact dollar amount until you actually design something. But I think just based on their experience is probably how they they put together a number like that projecting how many inmates would be involved. So I hope that answers at least some of it. Um
but there were some really difficult decisions ahead. >> Yes, sir. >> Um did you have a question for a question as Mr. way asked when I I was here that $48 billion is what the cost of that jail was supposed to be. 17
billion for whatever they were going to build off the courthouse and walk away or something whatever they I still to this day I don't know what they were going to do and uh >> we weren't here. >> Yeah. So $48 million what was and the reason why it sticks in my head that the number because that bay was 37 million
at the time and I questioned why they could produce a jail 37 billion. He's also uh M Mr. Albo is also correct that they projected I think the Kate Bay was 90 corrections officers. We still even if we build a brand new jail there we're
projecting like 158 people to run that. I I don't know how you build a new jail and have need as much as this jail needed staff. So it I don't know I never I don't remember seeing the floor plan. I saw it, but I didn't didn't dwell on it. But you would build something more
efficient, not less efficient or what they have now. And that's, you know, you've seen the brand several times. So, so I don't know where that other number came from, but that was S County's uh growth, but it's also awful excessive,
but ours was not that much. This original. >> So, Mr. Albino, to your point, um the county is being strained right now. So part of this agreement is that a number of our prisoners will be going candid which should hopefully alleviate some of
that strain and pressure that you're facing. It's funny though I I've heard some people talking as though the facility is going to be closed down. People are going to lose their job and nothing can be perfectly true. I mean this facility is in only in the planning stages. Planning and building were about 6 years out I believe is the estimate on
there. So I just want everyone to know the plan here is to alleviate some of the pressure that's going on at the jail uh currently. and shifting some of those prisoners over to camp. So that's that's that's the intent. I think that's what we're aiming for. Is that fair? >> Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, well,
just from the interim agreement, just so you understand, we're hopeful that maybe by the through from October through January, we can transition to get out of Hudson and move to camp. That would be the goal. Um again, it's it's not an
independent plan. I think I've given the county administrator the best outline of where we are right now because obviously I I can't develop a plan to move our inmates. It's a joint plan and Camden as well. But I can tell you based on our preliminary discussions that's time
frame we're looking at is maybe about 3 month draw down. >> I appreciate that explanation. I think Miss Ridway's question though is about the disparity in the numbers. Well, >> okay. Let's get get finished with
>> Did you have anything else? >> No, no, no. Thank you very much. We appreciate you. Thank you. Now, that's all I wanted to finish. Okay. Kevin, >> I I cannot speak to I cannot speak to and I don't think anybody in this room
can even speak to where those numbers were derived from. uh the numbers that CGL presented roughly $424 million. I think the the process was started prior to even even you being on the board. Is that correct?
>> And it ended up the the the report was submitted to to the board when when you were numbers were for sale county. No, that was purely for a new building for for
>> and that was post that was that was done post that was for based upon postco numbers but the original proposal was based upon the new jail at the pad >> 2018 is when it was actually >> yes >> first brought up
>> those numbers came in around 2020 if I'm correct 2021 >> I'm not sure about that money was to be borrowed in 2017, I believe, was >> No, no, I'm talking about the $400 some odd million. >> That's a 2023 report.
Okay. >> Alre's term as director. >> So, the point I'm getting at is it was it was six years later. >> Yes. Correct. >> Okay. >> And it's we can't we can't go to what what what drove that report to to say
what it did. when when a when a number is derived by CGL, it's based upon the input from many many parts and pieces throughout the county that that help build that. >> What it comes down to is the county didn't make up this number. It was gotten from professional individuals
that that do this for >> it was developed based upon responses from from those in those involved at that point. And that's all we don't we don't I don't have we don't have access to that information as we speak. Um, I can tell you this much. What CGL does
does commit to is based upon what we're paying there, we will be we will not be paying that amount of money when the new facility comes comes in. We will not be paying that >> due to the fact that there will have >> economy scale. It's going to be based upon economy of scale. We, you know, uh,
we're still waiting on on on others to to to consider the process. Um, your to your point to your point, Commissioner. >> Yeah. Go ahead. To your point, that number did not include Salem, and that is correct. In that report, there were
notations that stated that there were alternatives and options. Hudson murder with Salem, Salem taking our inmates, which to the state, I think it's three. Three, it's three as of today. Um once again that's that's an important number
for us to remember that they expected they offered to take several but multiple but again Mr. Raway asked the question that uh that uh the number you said to me that even with the cost of building our projected how much we would
have to come up with at our current budget we would be 12% under our current budget. That's what we kind of feel that we're going to be doing. So we'll be saving based upon in six years we'll be saving if if if you if you extrapolated those numbers out it would be
significantly higher than 12% from >> but here here's another thing that it comes down to. There's no feasible way for us to give any kind of estimate on what the new jail is going to be going only because the new jail hasn't been designed. What's great about the deal is
that passing this up to 250 prisoners will be taken by Cammy. All those prisoners uh a good majority of them will be coming out of huts. Now we won't have the five six to eight hours worth of time bringing prisoners
up, bringing prisoners back. Uh we had situations with the getting prisoners back here in time to go to court. So all of this will be allevi alleviated when this happens. So when the plan gets to where we start getting the prisoners out
of Hudson's and bringing them into Camden, we expect to save a lot of money. The process is that we are now having meetings with Canon. Okay, we start having meetings with Canon and it'll end up like what we
were doing with with Salem except now we're going to be doing with Canon. We have meetings with Canon. We start doing the design. Then we start bringing in uh the the the corrections officers. We start talking to them. This all is is a process. None of this can happen
overnight. All right? If you say to me, "How much is it going to cost?" Don't know. We can give you estimates, but then if you give an estimate, you go, "Wow, you were off by $10 million." We don't know. We can only give you a ballpark of
what's going on. All we do know is that the more people that get involved, the less the cost is. This is why it would be advantageous for us if Atlantic County got in. Okay? And have three of us and if the other two counties decide
to get in, it would even be better. Right? So, this is what we have to work up right now. I will say to you that it has been a pleasure working with Camden County on this project. I I I got to admit it really has been. It's been a
pleasure. They have been very cordial to us. They've given us a lot of information. They haven't hidden anything from us that we know of. This has been a very good working relationship with camp and I hope it continues and I think it will. There's a
lot of things that they're offering us uh when it comes to this. We're looking at their program when it comes to uh opioid and and and re and entry programs. Okay, they have a very good program. We're going to be going up there looking at that. We would like to
see that come down here. We're taking it a step at a time, but I think this board was very responsible in that vote and and voting to have this agreement with Cam and as I said hopefully with some other counties and I think I know we're going to benefit by
it. There's no doubt about it. Any other questions? >> So what Jimmy you're trying to tell you um it's rich way is let's say $600,000 $600 million to build the jail be divided by three. So it probably cost us
200 million. >> Not even that commissioner based upon based upon inmates. >> Inmates. >> Based upon inmates go by. Okay. I didn't even I just thought it was important that >> so we we'll be saving a lot of money.
You know when we were thinking of going for 41 million. >> Okay. Let's um let's >> I mean your dialogue was very good but it was stated that the new jail in
Buckham Road was stopped because it was going to cost 424 million758,63 and they're saying right now that this CGL numbers came in in 2023
and I believe that that was after the cancellation of building the jail from Fox. >> Why did they hold on why >> it was cancelled? >> Okay, hold on. >> I got here in 2020. So I know
>> Okay, got it. >> In 2020 when I walked in the door on July 1, they were canceling that jail. I can't tell you why. I don't know why. >> Never answered that. Okay, wait, wait, wait. Let's not one at a time, please. >> But thereafter,
the CGL company was hired to say, "Okay, what are we going to do? This thing's a mess. We need a jail." And CGL's report was rendered in 2023, and that's where that number came. The 400 million had nothing to do with the cancellation of the jail. I don't think there's any >> I think that's basically what my
question was. Thanks. >> There you go. Okay, let's move on. >> Let's move on. But you inspired great dialogue. >> Okay. Yes. Let's move on, clerk. >> Uh, executive session. >> Yes. >> Resolution 2025-531.
Resolution providing for a meeting not open to the public in accordance with the provisions of the New Jersey Senator by Mayor of the Public Ops 104-12 matters relating to litigation negotiations and the attorney client privilege matters relating to the
employment relationship. Do I have a motion? >> So move. >> Second. >> Commissioner Oino. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Aubrey. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Romero. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Lo. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Taylor told me she got
knocked off. >> Yes. >> Um, Deputy Director Marsh. >> Yes. >> Director Sorrow. >> Oh, yes. Before we go into it, I apologize. I just want to read two things that have to uh do with what's
going on in the county. Um, one of them is well, both of them are very important, but I I I want to read the first one because it's it's like an advertisement. Okay. What's the uh what we're going to do in uh October, the board of commissioners will host a
presentation on doing business with the county. Tuesday, October 7th, uh at 300 p.m. in the administration building boardroom. The intent of the program is to guide local vendors through the formal bid and RFP process and to avoid
paperwork pitfalls. Uh presenters will be uh county council John Carr and purchasing agent David Deoy. Vendors may register online at lpcclumberland county neww jersey.gov gov or by calling
the administration reception desk at 8564532125. A virtual version of this presentation will be announced at a future date. What we want to do is have this uh seminar on doing business with the
county so individuals in C meaning trades people, vendors can that are in Colin County can get the information on how to do business, the paperwork involved and how to fill out the paperwork during that presentation in
this room. It will also be on teams or zoom or whatever separate >> the teams will be two different episodes because of the technological >> okay we'll also have it on teams or zoom at a later date the point I'm getting at is very important that because many of
you have questioned why are we hiring people from outside of common county now this isn't the first time the county has done this but we're going to do it again to help individuals one of the things we want to do is make sure that we have
vendors from Cland County. Why? Well, they're from Cland County. They pay tax in Cland County. They hire in Cland County. They buy materials in Cland County and they pay taxes in Cumberland County and they go to Cumberland County merchants. So, we want people from
Cumberland County to take this course. So, we we will announce this again. We will announce it again at the next meeting. Uh Madam Prosecutor, did you >> Yeah. Can it be shared on social media because we want to encourage people?
>> Yes, it it will be shared on social media. Absolutely. Okay. And hopefully we'll be able to record this and put it on our website. Is that correct? >> The problem with the recording is it's changing all the time. So, I don't want to overstate. >> Got it. Okay. But anyway, this is what
we'd like to do. The last thing I want to to bring up is uh because we've taken we'll say discussions over period of time about getting things done. So this week Cumberland County received final
approval from the New Jersey Department of Transportation on plans and specification required to replace the above reference structure located in the city of Richen Township of Fairfield. This concludes over four years of
environmental focused permit permitting from the state and federal agencies to include the US Coast Guard, US Army Corps of Engineers, DP elements to include reviews by tide tide plants, flood hazards, freshwater wetlands,
endangered species, and the state historic preservation office due to the previous failed structure dating from Civil War era and adjacent trolley tracks dating dating from the early 1900s. This clears the path to put this
project out to bid and mobilize the construction in the coming months. >> Very, >> huh? >> Oh, what road? >> South Africa. I was going to get to that. The reason why I said this was because people want to know why it takes
so long. If you heard everything that we had to go through and all the agencies we had to go through to get this okay, that's why it took four years. So when you hear all these things now,
you know, were we frustrated? Absolutely. Our engineering department was right there. We we already had it designed. We couldn't do anything about it. We had to sit and wait. Now it came through. There you go. Now we can go into close session.
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