good evening welcome to the Danvers Conservation Commission for April the 10th 2025 we as a commission operate under the Massachusetts General Law Chapter 131 Section 40 the Wetlands Protection Act and chapter 26 of the Town of Danvers
General bylaws the Wetlands Protection bylaw after each applicant presents his or her request and the board has had time to ask questions and discuss the project we will accept questions from the audience because this is a public meeting it is required by law that you give your name and your address before
you speak although we may disagree on the issues raised all persons present during this meeting are expected to be civil to all other meeting attendees this includes members of the commission staff abutters concerned citizens property owners and project
applicants we also request that you confine your questions to the project and only as it pertains to the wetlands act we cannot handle nor do we have jurisdiction over matters such as noise or traffic all problems not related to the wetlands protection act and the town
of Denver's uh wetlands protection bylaw must be taken up with other appropriate boards uh our first order of business will be a roll call peter Wilson is present lorraine Drapek present mary hate present and Michael Splain here all
right so we have our four members uh the first item on our agenda is a notice of intent for 112 Burley Street D file number 14-1431 the applicant is Shawn and Susan
Stone i see Bill Emanuel is here representing the stones yes good evening bill Emanuel from Wetlands and Land Management here in Danvers uh this is a fairly simple project uh the project is uh 112 Burley Street this is just uh a
couple doors up from the ball fields at the Danvers High School uh the property what they want to do is put a new ingground pool and this is another one of those properties where there is an entrenched stream that runs right
along the the edge of the rear yard i put up seven bank flags you could see from the contours here it's very steeply sloped down to the edge of the brook uh this is a tributary to frost fishbrook and it is an intermittent stream in this
location is shown as such on the USGS map and I've also given you the stream stat print out uh that uh shows that it has a very small watershed and a very small residual flow in the 99% flow
duration uh so we have bank resource area here it's the bank of this tributary brook and this is the proposed pool with a concrete apron around it this is the 35 no disturb zone line and
then the 50 ft no build line the improvements they'd like to do are the pool uh the apron around it uh this is the where they were going to put the mechanicals the filter and the heater and then this is going to be a a
concrete slab a patio with a pergola over it uh so all of that uh with the exception of this small little triangle is outside of the 50ft no build zone this triangle is about 45 square
ft uh they've tried everything they can they're aware of the 50-ft no build zone they tried to respect that in every way uh they even reduced the width of the pool you see it's only 15 ft wide u they minimized the uh the decking
around it um and this 45 square ft we uh we consider it unavoidable for this type of project uh the backyard is entirely flat you can see from the there's virtually no contours here in the backyard it's it's it's virtually level
uh there is an existing fence all around the backyard um access will be from the street there's a a gate here they'll probably have to take that uh section of fence out and access through here put the the
fence and the gate back when they're done um as far as the incursion in the no build zone there is less than 1% of the no build zone on the property so 45 square ft i have a a table in my uh uh
information I presented to you so it certainly complies with the your your allowed incursions in the no build zone um as uh mitigation uh Susan is a uh is is an avid gardener and I I suggested
that uh we mitigate for this incursion by putting a 100 square f foot minimum uh pollinator garden uh I'm liking pollinator gardens these days our our uh insect friends need a lot of help and so any place I get a chance to uh encourage
a pollinator garden uh this is a perfect place for it it builds on this behind the gate is all uh kind of wooded and and and shrubby so it you know it's an area that builds on the already vegetated uh riparian corridor there so
uh it's more than 2:1 mitigation uh ratio so we hope that the commission will look uh uh fondly on that and approve the project so that's all I have for this evening build on the right hand border what are
the uh are those two buildings sheds there are two existing sheds yes and where is the 200 ft line for the riverfront because this is intermittent there is no riverfront no so where is
the 100 foot line the 100 oh so the 100 is like right out here this was all within that um I don't have any real It's It's a new pool it's not It's a new pool and I should tell you it's going to be a
fiberglass pool so it comes in a preformed shell i've seen them so once they you know they get the excavation formed up they put a sand bedding in there and then drop the fiberglass in from the street over the house no it's light enough they'll carry it right in
what are the dimensions on the pool uh 32 by 15 okay um I really don't have a whole lot of more questions mike do you have any no uh would you just show where the 32 feet run on the pool
there that way so um does that length impact on the on the 45 ft uh in the no build the pool itself is completely out of the no build zone it's just this decking here this this green line is the
no build line and this red line is the outline of the deck and it's just that triangle the decking to walk uh when you're to walk around the pool yeah it's concrete i call it pool decking but it's concrete it'll drain which direction
Bill they they typically shed them by about a half a percent away a couple of inches of pitch away from the pool so that you don't have rain water falling and draining into the pool as far as the 100 foot I mean so many of
the woods are within that 100 foot anyway I mean they're just unavoidable i think pretty much um and when you say they tried every which way to eliminate the the intrusion into the no bill what did you have input
on that uh they were aware of it and before they got to me they already had crunched it up enough you know as much as they could as I said the the pool is only 15 ft wide okay that's all I have so just one quick followup question with
the um the patio is in the uh it seems to me there's something that says is it 10 ft wide what is that there uh that is the dimension of the pool decking uh there's the edge of the pool the the arrow is right on top of the
edge of the pool and the pool decking there is 10 ft wide and then this is the patio with the pergola is that standard width of a the pool decking 10 ft um it's preference
you know if you want to put some you know shades lounges or something on that end of the pool the 10 feet wide allows you to put that there and and get around it it's not 10 ft in the other area though no uh the other area this is four they had they scrimped
that up um to try to get compliant but in order to get you could see there's where the no build line is there they'd have to make this like a I don't know a foot wide and you just don't want to be walking along something a foot wide oh
okay that's all okay thanks Lorraine any questions i don't have any questions no Mary nope just thank you for the garden uh is there any public comment or questions mr brad Street bill Brad Street tell me precinct one i
know you folks have done your job considering what I've been told over the years the water table's very high in Woodville people if the pool is put in does that have itself does that have any
adverse effect on say the stream or the what's behind how deep is the pole bill the deep end is like six feet i'm not positive of that number but it's not a like a gunite with a form
deep end um I'll come up it displaces I mean it displaces water because it has to u you know here's the elevation of the brook u this is assumed datam but you know 188
along the edge of the brook and uh we're talking nearly 12 ft higher you know the brook is kind of the surface water expression of or surface expression of the groundwater elevation yeah and so we're 12 ft higher than that we're not
going to have Bill bill are those pools known to float up i mean if you have freezing you know um the the main drain is usually a two-way drain so if the if there was groundwater it would just come up through the main drain and not push it
up oh if the ground freezes though um I I don't know uh I mean do they anchor them when they go in or they just sit in there i'm sure they do or fiberglass pool I don't know the exact uh
methodology of of installing the pool but anything but remember you're going to have all that water that's sitting in the pool too that which is working against the groundwater forces don't we have a Don't we have a condition with water in the pools um it's for draining it yes for draining
yeah is that part of that yeah those are kind of the stock pool conditions you're aware of that yep was Yeah something to the effect about letting the water sit for a couple of days and Yep yep exactly when there is pool change over close up
in the in the fall and they have to discharge water where will that water discharge to well they'll probably just direct it out onto the uh the ground they got enough area to do it uh this is a cartridge
type filter it has no you know that none of that white powder the the demacious earth yep so there's there's no uh foreign substance if you will coming out of that filter that's just it's a paper filter well just the
chlorinated water right but that's what that's the purpose of letting it sit for several days all right okay uh Bill do you have any any further questions i don't the other bill
oh sorry not you i was just curious as what he said that pole is normally drained at the end of the season it's not one that has to be or can be left with water in it and uh I don't know they put a cover one of those
inflatable things to keep the cover up i think they just draw down the water to a level below the skin below the skin yeah they don't empty it they don't have to discharge all over water very good and if it were that would be the tendency that you're talking about the
ground freezes we all know what happens in Damas when the ground freezes everything comes out yep okay i was more concerned with uh it being placed where it is close to the brook and again the water table being
high thank you is there any other comment questions no anyone else from the board have any further comments questions no all right why don't we uh close the public hearing then make a motion to
that effect please i'll make a motion to grant a waiver no no hold on we have to close the public hearing close it sorry my bad i'll make a motion to close the public hearing motion's been made is there a second i'll second it all in favor i I Okay now
we have two votes we have to We have to vote on a a motion to grant a waiver if we choose and then a second vote to uh issue an order of conditions i'll make a motion to grant a waiver to allow work in the 50ft no disturb zone
for 112 Burley Street for the no build yeah number 14-1431 yeah a point of clarification for the no build zone but not a second all in favor i I Okay good and
then we have to now we have to now we have to vote on order of conditions so if someone can make a motion to that I'll um I'll make a motion to issue an order of conditions for 112 Bley Street D number 14-1431 with additional conditions as
discussed um I'm just going to put a stop things for just a whole for a second okay um we didn't talk about stockpiling or Well that to I mean Bill's thorough they're going to have that covered
um what guarantee do we have that that pollen pollinators uh garden will be built since we proposed that in support of the waiver um I would expect that you'd have a condition in there that says that right at the end of the project it
better be 100 square feet of pollinator garden there okay so whoever made the motion let's just add that as a condition please so um the applicant is proposing a pollinator garden as mitigation yeah 100 square foot 100 square foot
and that would need to be completed before an order a certificate of compliance would be issued okay the motion's been made with one condition does someone Is there a second i second the motion all in favor i I
Okay so you're good to go so we'll see you in here in less than three years right okay and hopefully get the pool in so you can use it this year uh okay next up is 61 High Street uh D file number
14-1432 the applicants are Richard and Stacy Bautelli i'm presume that's a trust um and Bill you're representing them as well yes good evening uh Bill Emanuel from Wetlands and Land Management here in
Danvers the applicant Richard Buchelli is here uh he is the design architect he lives at 61 High Street and uh his company is a point design which is the architectural design firm that created
this project uh Jay Pelakawitz from Hancock Associates is here he is the engineer of record and he has done a uh a wonderful plan set that shows in detail all of the uh uh information that the commission is going to want to see and discuss this
evening i'm happy to report that we have a D file number it's 14-1432 it was issued with no comments i'm even happier to report that uh Jay and Richard have worked with town staff
uh throughout the design and uh planning process uh got a lot of input and worked through all of the engineering comments uh they have a clean engineering uh review letter and they also got site plan approval on Tuesday night for this
project so now I'd like to talk to you about uh conservation commission uh it is in the buffer zone to a vegetated wetland in the back of the property and and Emily the perfect that's the sheet I wanted to see this is the existing condition
survey uh high streets out here uh this is a residential dwelling where Richard lives richard and his wife Stacy uh there is a circular driveway in front stone landscaping uh a couple of the backyard
is generally open there's a hardcape feature here the limit of wetlands is right along the back of the property there is a a distinct uh drop off at the edge of uh the maintained
lawn and this is a sort of a typical vegetated wetland here that has uh arrowwoods skunk cabbage uh jeweleed the the typical suite of vegetation for around uh Danvers and Essex County it is a bordering vegetated wetland there is a
uh a a culvert pipe that drains this area and it uh sends it off uh towards the south uh this particular plan doesn't have the 35 and the 50 but the rest of the plan sheets do so um I think sheet C5 would
be the best sheet to uh walk you through the project so it the project is going to uh require the demolition of the existing home driveway all all the features on
the lot and this is a uh three-story multi-use building uh we'll have commercial space on the ground floor and we'll have residential eight residential units on floors two and three uh the things you want to hear the
entire building is outside of the 50-foot no build zone the only incursions into the uh no build and no disturb zone are related to the storm water management features here and your regulations allow
for incursion into th those zones for the purposes of storm water management features uh the uh drainage system com is a a permeable brick pa system all around on
the on the walkways plus the driving surface all of the parking is underneath the footprint of the building at the ground level so that further minimizes any uh occupation of space at the ground level the roof water is collected and
directed to this infiltration area uh has to be built up a little bit to provide the proper separation to the groundwater as required by DP and so there's a a low retaining wall that uh picks up the grade so that we don't have
any unnecessary incursion into the no disturb zone uh this infiltration area has to have an outlet uh and so that outlet is here with a properly designed uh rip wrap uh velocity reducer at the
end of the uh pipe uh that is the only uh incursion into the no disturb zone presently it's all grass this is subsurface when we're all done other than the rip wrap uh it will be all grass when we're done
um as far as the incursions as I said they are all subsurface and uh they are for all for drainage again I've given you a chart uh that lays out the um the
amount of incursion into each zone and uh we end up being uh just under the 20% threshold we're about 19.7% but uh when you break that down to your uh no disturb zone we're a 6.2%
which is less than the 10% that's allowable and uh we are 15.7% in the uh 0 to of the of the 0 to50 zone your the allowable incursion is 20% that's totals of 15.7%
so we we meet all your your criteria and in particular because this is storm water management as I said your bylaw allows that incursion we've given you an alternatives analysis in my narrative uh we've walked you through the criteria
for allowing for a waiver uh we've walked you walked you through all your interests of the your bylaw and how the property is or the project is consistent with all the interests of the the bylaw and then uh we also offer up some uh
mitigation in support of this waiver again uh there is this hardcape area that we are in the no build and no disturb zone we're removing that and we're going to reveate that and um again we think that this is a very good
project uh planning seemed to think so as well they issued the site plan approval on Tuesday uh again we have the clean review from engineering and uh we hope that we're here to answer any questions and we hope you look favorably on the project as well
couple quick questions build that the parking is the the staircase type drawing these are the spaces right labeled uh underneath the building well incorporated into the ground level of the building and that's for the
residents or is that for patrons of the businesses or both um how is that it's for the residences what about clients for the business i mean where are they going to park yep they get to use on street parking right
mhm uh and my other question is what does this jog out on the high street the the dashed line uh little bit of work that's where utility connections are connect to water
sewer electric so there will be disruption to the traffic yes you go and where is your uh your your erosion control laid out is is it on this drive
yeah That's what this heavy line is here the dash line uh sheet uh C2 if you could Emily yep sorry it's moving a little slow here yep that should do it sorry it's very
touchy yep yeah it there you go it actually picks up the demo of that hardcape feature there so it goes all around um like that and
uh where will the the the spoils from excavation be stored they'll be taken off site they'll probably be well well first there's demo of the house uh that you know that gets loaded into a rolloff and then there's no room really for any storage so
they're just going to probably live load you know we might have some temporary while they're in between trucks but generally they'll have to live load uh excavated material out okay uh any other questions Mike any
questions snow removal and snow were there were there wavers for parking on planning board no nope and when this says I'm reading it wrong when this says parking is located at
ground level is suble isn't it no no it's at at ground level and uh you know the residential units are floors two and three and where do you enter the property
uh you would enter if you went back to sheet C5 yep this is the permeable brick paver access way to the parking spaces underneath now uh the the uh storm water management system
can you talk about that uh this is a uh I mean I can I can do it or Jay could do it a lot better how about that all right so good evening jay Pac with Hancock Associates the storm water management
system that we're proposing is a series of chambers um it'll collect roof runoff from the building itself um the chambers are set up for infiltration they will hold up to the 10-year storm um below the outlet structure which is that drain manhole on the north side uh there's a
weir within that so beneath the 10-year storm you're only seeing minimal flow outside of the orififices um beyond that overflow will go over the weir and then out the outlet um and we are cutting down on peak rates of runoff and volume from the existing
preconstruction condition to post construction um and then the permeable surfaces uh will allow water to infiltrate throughout them on the driveway there's a series of under drains and that'll allow for uh even distribution of storm water below that
that way there's not one portion of the reservoir layer being overloaded while there's one portion that's getting none um in the rare case that that would overflow there is an overflow drain on the end of those um water would bubble
out of that and drain via overland flow to the wetlands what's the direction of the flow of water generally off of the property so there are two directions of runoff um a very small area of the property just
point to those y use your finger so so there's a small portion of the lot in the existing condition about this that drains out to the street and out to the catch basins in the street so we're mimicking that in our proposed condition
again a small area going out to the street most of the site in the existing and proposed conditions all drains back to the wetland uh we're mimicking existing drainage conditions um like I said we're cutting down on peak rates um
in both uh directions on the permeable uh what what what is it uh what is the permeable uh material consist of so the difference between a permeable paver uh
surface and a normal PA surface is the cross-section of the pavers themselves so brick size or Yeah so they well I guess they it depends on the style you choose it really comes down to the aggregate that you're using and the spacing between the pavers there's a bigger space between them with a coarser
aggregate and that allows for water to go in between the bricks and then it'll go to a reservoir layer below which is where there's a space between the bricks there there is and it's a coarse aggregate that goes in between there versus like a polymeric sand which turns into like a concrete the bricks have
holes in them right uh they have nubs on the side of them so that they provide about a half inch gap between them different and are there drains on the property or is it basically that permeable system it
water will drain right through them huh water will drain right through the pavers so there's some other drains it's no so there is a drain within the garage area um that will collect any dripping from cars or melting snow because it's within the building it falls within
plumbing code which means it has to go to an oil water separator and then is drained to the sewer system in the street do you know the size of that system that's uh the one that's uh within the uh no build no disturb off the top of my head I don't know the
exact dimensions taken by taking a look is there a scale that um so each one of those chambers is 7 ft long so 28 ft long by I think they're 3 ft wide so um you know plus or minus a little bit let's call it 30 by 9
um the system is sized according to the size of the building and the soils that are were found on site um so they they match the infiltration rate and the volume going towards it and who determined the the the area of wetland the the bordering vegetated wetland uh
that was Bill and where does uh is that flag bill or And you're right up against it with that uh drainage right oh you're in it you're actually in it not in it huh close within 3 ft
of the 35 of the 35 but you were in the 50 right i thought you said a point that because that was allowed i Are you referring to this area right
here to the chambers the chambers so this is uh be this line here is the 50 and this line here is the 35 so you can see the subsurface chamber is into the 50 but not into the 35
this outlet pipe and the rip wrap velocity reducer is it in the 35 but it's not in the wetland so that looks where did you can you point to the 50 again on the chamber right through here right there yep and
then so and then 35 is right through okay so it is about 15 ft wide then the the chamber um no because remember I talked about this retaining wall here yeah that is on
the outboard side of the uh infiltration area oh better yeah okay um All right well it would be nice to go out and see this but what would we see out there now just the existing house
yes and what else the nice landscaping the uh area that you've l that you've uh flagged off for the And what's the size of the house on there now a footprint 2,000 square ft what's the footprint
footprint is Yeah what's it 1,000 1200 12 oh I mean no you know like 30 by 50 uh 20 what what's the footprint on you got a rough idea can you go back to the existing yeah would you go back to the first sheet Emily
one more so that's the I mean I could scale it right just let us know who you are before you richard Bochelli 61 High Street the the back of the building is probably
about 30 feet and from back to front is probably about 50 ft and obviously there's 1500 no it's about 1,200 you see you see how the indent yeah okay I get that so and what's the footprint on the the existing
the new around 6,000 6,000 all right um hey help me out here so I'm I'm picturing I'm driving down High Street to the port i go by the variety store i go by the cemetery um it's right next to the phone building
yeah we're right next to Verizon you just before before the sub shop and the Verizon building on the brick building we're right before Verizon if you're heading towards 128 yeah okay right before side yes white picket fence
yellow house all right all right that's all I have okay thanks Lorraine i wanted to ask about um snow removal and snow storage what's the plan for that sheet C5 please
so uh actually uh if you would go back a couple of sheets which one is it c4 c4 perfect uh we have an area designated for snow storage right in here right off the end of the the permeable
uh brick pa access way and uh if we have you point Could you show that again i missed it well that's close to the no build no disturb right yes it's it's outside of it uh but it's not close to it's close to
it yes and is that sorry Bill but is that adequate to store all the snow that would be scraped off of that walkway u in smaller storms probably going to fill that up if we have successive storms then it's
going to get stacked up probably a little bit further into the null build zone but it's snow it's not a structure so and in a super excessive storm they'll have to take it off site and will that walkway be treated with
salt sand this is not treated with with sand at all because it's meant to be the purpose plug it up you would plug it up okay uh Lorraine you have anything else no thank you Mary um is the garage
closed in is it like the part of the house so if you were to look at the garage side is it closed in with like concrete or is it open the garage is covered but open to enter so it's so it's covered on the top and
maybe poles so people can pull in and out correct and there's drainage yes and it'll be sloped in and then my other question was the subsurface chamber where does the drainage go is that the little thing coming that way
those silhouette one do you mind going to the next sheet supposed to so all the roof runoff um from the building will go down a series of roof drains uh entering from both the north and south side of the chamber
system it will fill up um the chambers and allow it to infiltrate could you show me the chamber is that just the part at the top the chambers or these here yeah so that's where it goes from there where does it go so it'll it'll fill up and
then it'll start filling up this structure here which is the outlet control outlet control structure it has a weir in it so basically a wall a dam um and so the water will fill up till it gets to the top of that dam and infiltrate in a large storm will go over
the dam out this pipe to a um flared end section to a rip wrap dissipation pad uh which will slow down the energy and then there's a level spreader on the end which is essentially a vertical granite curb uh set level and the reason for
that is it avoids any sort of point discharge it'll distribute it over I think it's 11 ft wide so to answer the question it's going to go to the wetland it's going to go to the wetland yeah that's that's in excess of a 10-year storm right yes a 10ear storm the
infiltration units should be able to handle it yes but the garage is open so the garage um essentially would be a garage without a door so it's open um between some of
them there's going to be a peak between the permeable pavers and the garage so everything on the outside will drain out anything on the inside will drain in and that'll go to a floor drain in the center of the garage which will go to a
oil water separator and then out to the sewer system in the street thank you uh one quick followup the uh the infiltration system we see a lot where people propose those and then as
you know time when time comes to actually build the cost or for whatever reason they don't do it they go to a retention pond instead would the retention pond be the same size so initially we had looked at retention on
this site um for a few different reasons we couldn't do that um the biggest thing with the pond would be that uh the offset to the building itself we're really close to the building ideally you should be over 10 feet from the building instead of that we're proposing a 40 mm
wide impermeable barrier um to provide separation it's a lot harder to do that with a pond um plus with the system that we have here we can propose a retaining wall to really limit the limit of work if we start doing a pond it turns into
grading and the grading will extend further into the no disturb zone and then we'll be over the amount of disturbance um allowable by the waiver okay so that's um infiltration system seems like it's pretty definite
yeah yeah and and the a lot of times when people don't go with the chamber systems is when they're massive chambers um or massive systems maybe 180 chambers we're looking at um what is it uh eight eight and these chambers are not are not
very big they're 3.12 ft wide by 7 ft long uh I think they're 16 in tall okay and that's all underground so what will be over the the It'll be grass just grass okay um we can't do any plantings on top of it it has to be either lman
seed or maybe a crush stone or pavement uh because the roots will get into it but you're proposing grass grass perfect um the board all set with questions i just had one more go ahead
um the planning board meeting they were concerned about the storm water system and it said that there was a storm water report submitted and that's been done and completed yep so the storm order report was part of our initial filing um
so the engineering departments reviewed it and they gave us their okay all right thank you i'm good anyone else um okay public questions comments mr brad
Street Bill Brady town member precinct one i was at the meeting last night and to me the uh snow storage area what's pushed back uh even if sand or whatever
is in that snow it's still going to be somewhat contaminated i would be concerned that until it is removed you talking about a a 1 in snowfall but this is New England we have been blessed with
storms that are more than just an inch how do you stop any of that contamination whatever it might be from going back into the wetlands uh one another thing when we talk about
permeable pavers my idea of a permeable paver is one that the paver is full of holes not just the perimeter for the only part of the water as such to
leech through uh how often is the oil water separator cleaned where this is so close to the wetlands no matter how big or close they are I I would be concerned with the
property adjacent to as well as the wetland property because of the size of the building that's being constructed there uh I'll listen to your answers if I have any more questions thank you i think as as part of that we when we get
to that point we just make that a condition that a maintenance report has to be filed i think you raised a good point Mr chairman that the Ivy's picture in the pavers as bricks with holes in them like I've seen before but with these I mean you're going to end up with
sand uh it just accumulates in driveways streets everywhere why won't that thing plug up over time and then when it does how do you clean it out how do you get it to to be permeable again are you asking me no I'm asking i don't
know i'm going to ask I'll ask any of these do you mind going to sheet C8 okay so this is the permeable paver cross-section here like a standard paver uh there are gaps between them and this
is where the coarse aggregate goes there's different um I guess types of aggregate that go down to the reservoir course this is where you get all your filtration from and this is where the water drains from so in terms of sand the maintenance on this is blowing it out uh you would take
a leaf blower and you would blow it out once a month um that's something that the landscaper can do if we start seeing um a lack of performance out of it you'll come with a vacuum truck and you'll vacuum out that top layer and then you'll put down some new aggregate
in place of it so there is more operation and maintenance involved with this than you would have a patuminous we use the other ones that are don't require that kind of maintenance those require the same maintenance well um they're more holes yeah but it's um you
know this is also a driveway where people are going to be walking those are typically difficult to walk on this is what we use most of the time um with driveways walkways things like that maybe we get some more information on that yeah I mean that that in my mind
that's kind of a deal and within our storm water report uh we do have a full section on operation and maintenance with every different storm water um component and it addresses that with the permeable pavers being part of the storm water system they are included in there
thank you i saw another hand hi my name's uh Eric Butler i'm one of the neighbors um so my question is essentially right now Excuse me Eric a little yeah so where what's your address
uh 14 Hunt Street right around the corner so my question is so right now there's basically um just natural runoff going down into the uh wetlands um so now we're adding how many square feet is the
uh roof 6,000 6,000 right is that is that right okay so you're talking in a 10-year storm um the runoff is going to go into the wetlands
um so have there been any been been any uh assessments to any uh wildlife impact over and above the 10-year storm you want to just run through your questions and then we'll answer that in
total is that your last question no it's not my last question okay um let me see so also when we get back to the uh the snow um is there a drop off what what's the um elevation difference between the
wetlands and up to the driveway and the drop off of that will that snow once you push it over even be able to be recovered if there's any uh contamination inside of that or will it just go right into the
wetlands all right and have we also ensured that the uh wetlands is drained properly back into um essentially the to where the river comes through cuz if you take a look um it seems to be enclosed um and
if you take walks back on the rail trail back behind there um there seems to be some interesting pooling and other things like that happening back there and I believe that that's where it drains out to so um so you know
essentially wildlife impact um is it and there is wildlife that comes through there had there been any uh paths to make sure that occurs to make sure wildlife can walk through those areas
that's it so that's three questions um I did is that six questions okay are you going to respond one of you going to respond then yeah okay something
um with respect to wildlife there were two questions about that what impacts to wildlife habitat and possible paths for wildlife um wildlife habitat is one of the interests of the act and uh there are threshold impact thresholds
uh for uh when you a wildlife habitat evaluation is triggered uh because we're not impacting any uh bank resource area or any uh inland flood zone or any wetlands we do not trigger any wildlife
habitat impact thresholds so therefore we're not required to do any wildlife habitat evaluation having said that the 0 to 50 we're not in the wetland so we don't have to if wildlife is moving through that wetland they're going to move through it
um afterward there are uh commercial buildings and residential homes that surround uh that this portion of the wetlands um if you would go to sheet C2 or the first the existing conditions
sheet one more please there you go um there are homes back here uh there's the commercial building here uh this is a a sewer easement and there is a burm
here that and a sewer manhole just uh just inside the uh just off the the property uh and there is a culvert that uh it was installed to allow water from one side of the burm to the other none of that is being uh touched it's all
remains uh as it is existing conditions uh so any wildlife that's there is not going to be disturbed in the slightest bit because we're 50 ft away all of this is presently open maintained lawn it's going to remain open maintained lawn the
the buffer zone essentially doesn't change uh the difference in elevation between the wetlands and the edge of the pavement is about 2 ft it's very gently sloping it is going to be grass cover uh if there is we're not I already told you
we're not going to sand this uh the the driving surface uh if any sand gets tracked in on vehicle tires and it does get pushed here uh it's going to be minimal but it will be trapped in that grass the the slope is so gradual 2 feet
over 50 that it's just going to get trapped in that maintained lawn area and again the wetland's draining properly i touched on that there is a culvert that uh allows the water from one side of the sewer berm to get to the
other and we're not disturbing that at all i think there was a little question too about the ability of the system to handle the 10ear storm with there being so much more roof surface now and that's so the engineers have figured that all
out so again as Jay said they have uh either mimicked or reduced the uh the pre-development rate of runoff with their drainage design and it's been reviewed by engineering and they've signed off on that uh everything that's
coming off of the proposed building roof is clean roof runoff the D says you can discharge that directly you don't need to treat that okay does that answer your questions but in it's not though right it's going through the
the infiltration system it it is going first through the infiltration system then through the weir and then is it gets metered out but overall the design has mimicked the pre-development rate of runoff for the property is that because
you don't you don't have to calculate the roof runoff no it's all I mean I I'm stepping into Jay's territory but it's all considered and modeled and and that's why you have the infiltration area that's why you have the weir system
so it meters out the water so that it mimics the pre-construction rates there's more water being produced running off you're just handling it yes because you're going from 1,200 square foot bu uh building to five times that
size with 6,000 and so naturally there's and it's you know roofs it's all it's going to be more water cuz I'm assuming there was a lot of lawn or whatever there just absorbed that water before well you model the entire existing
conditions which also included extensive driveway system up front as well so between the driveway and the roof it it's probably equal to a wash i don't know the exact numbers but it's We'll look for that yeah mhm okay that's We
trust the engineers to be done and do that oh yeah do you mind going to sheet C3 so right here we have our imperous surface calcs um the increase in imperous impervious area from existing
to proposed conditions is uh 800 square ft and that's because we have areas like Bill said the house the driveway there's a patio out back um different walkways throughout the site and so all of our
hardscape on this site is pvious uh it's the permeable pavers so the only impervious part of this development is the roof and the entire roof is being treated within the storm water system
thank you okay is there anyone else may show the hand up first you're second he's got to go first annette Collins i am a person town meeting member um I have questions about
address Oh 24 Chase Street so it's a block away from High Street going towards the middle school um and I've been there for 53 years um so the wetlands as they start and go behind the
houses that are there now including Mr bchelli's house there are I think three others maybe four houses altogether and then the street and then epoxy so behind there if you walk along um Gul Street you can look down and try to check the
wetlands and my question to you is has there been encroachment on the wetlands in the last say 10 years and who monitors the wetlands to make sure that the little encroachment from this one and the next one and the next one and
then you have you know people on the rail trail that are looking at all of that and it's something we want to value how does how do we know as a town's people that it's being observed and being watched and not encroached upon so
that we lose it eventually you mean people are going beyond their boundary i'm not saying that they are i'm saying in observing this and the tendency um it's human nature if I mean I've seen it in other places where I um spoke on
other issues in the town where people encroached on property that wasn't theirs because no one watches and eventually if you don't check it every now and then so who's the who walks through there and make sure I think staff would address that and there would
be uh they'd get a notice yep absolutely if we were sorry um if we were made aware that there was an encroachment onto the wetlands or town property or something like that then we will go and investigate that um and then try to determine who had put that encroachment
there work with them initially with the letter and then if things aren't changed then with an enforcement order um and reporting it to D to have that encroachment um so so is there um a baseline of how much water is there on an ordinary say April day and Then we
have three downpours in a row does the water level come up and come into the yards and does I mean is there a map of that somewhere does um like from 20 years ago 10 years ago today how does that all look compared to maybe even 40
years ago um the Department of Public Works might have some of those records um I don't think there is no um I think what I'm what I think I'm hearing you saying is do the wetlands expand or contract
are we monitoring that and I would have to say probably not not that I'm aware of no i mean usually when there's a project that they have to have a wetland scientist like Mr emanuel goes out and actually puts flags in to delineate it okay and that's that's pretty much the
extent of the monitoring change from one year to the next sometimes though when they come out and if there's been wetlands uh delineated in the past and then someone comes out years later they might find they moved one way or the other that's and we take that into
consideration all right that's all I've asked you thank you uh I saw another hand up sir uh Malcolm Patterson i live in 59 High Street from the next door neighbor um we I was at the Tuesday night meeting as well with the planning board and my
question was in regards to the offflow of water that goes into the res to the wetlands uh how through time that may affect water coming back up into my property uh now I think obviously that was answered the last day in regards to what the system has put in place there the 10ear uh system that's there i guess
with um with the climate changes and with things that are changing right now that we see every day and every year in regards to snowfall being more less rainfall being more or less I think a lot of rainfall as we've seen over the last couple years is a lot more um how big is the system to withhold maybe that
10year plan is there is there something in place there to say if the rainfall gets more and more consistent that more water goes into the wetlands and that would back up onto our uh property is that something that's been looked at and through the engineer i'm sure we can answer that and my second question then
is about the wetlands itself in regards to where that overflow goes out of the wetlands has that been checked or has that been looked at recently to see that that is happening or where does it go because it seems like the more water we're getting right now there's a lot of water that seems to be seeping up out of the wetlands and it's getting more and
more each year so I guess the question on the wetlands is probably to the board and the question for the 10-year plan in regards to the changes in volume that could come in place how would that affect uh my property going forward are you getting water on your property sir uh from time to time yes at the very bottom but my property at the at the
line of the wetlands is a lot lower than than Richards is but uh through construction and through everything else my fear is that may start to come up a lot more into my garden um but obviously the construction site as just said they're going to remove all the material off the actual site which is fine uh my
fear is just like if things change in the next 10 years in regards to the quantity of water that's going into that uh storm drain and the more water has been dumped into the wetlands a is the relief from the wetlands working efficiently to get that water out of there and is it big enough to keep to be
that capability and then uh for the actual engineers is that been designed into the calculations of the actual storm drain if it does exponentially rise in the next couple years would that throw more water into the wetlands if the draining system's not there or efficient right now in the wetlands
would that then back up into my lawn so I think what they're saying is that the system they designed that will be no worse than what it is will it be better or the same yeah I I got that as the last night but
I guess my question is that if rainfall continues to rise I mean what's the capacity that this storm dream can hold over the next 10 years because things change on a yearly basis is the 10year storm is that a standard have to meet the 10ear storm
limit so the 10-year storm is just something that the town engineering department requests us to hold on site the system is designed up to the 100year storm so I was going to say that's more appropriate yeah so the system will hold its volume is capable of holding a
10-year storm within its system they but the system is designed to cut down on peak rates of runoff and peak volumes all the way up to the 100redyear storm so a storm you would see once every 100 years so um 100 year storms don't occur once every hundred years either yeah so
but the systems design this system's designed for that um and when there is a 100redyear storm there's a lot more issues than the site from what I'm hearing is if there's hundredyear storms it's going to be a townwide problem it's going to be a townwide problem this one particular lot yeah and we can
only control what happens on this lot um we are not affecting the wetlands so we're not affecting the volume of the flood volume that the wetlands hold we're 50 or 35 ft away from that from the nearest uh work that we're doing so
what we're proposing here is a benefit um for flood volumes and peak rates of runoff emily could you just check with the engineering department and just does have them verify that this wetlands does drain uh properly because I heard
something about a culvert of course yep absolutely let's just see if if the water has a place to go and I think that would uh hopefully alleviate your concerns uh Mr brady Bill Brad Street again
um one thing I noticed was for the destruction of the or demolition of the house of property that's there i would ask that the debris be removed daily if
if it were piled before it's hauled away and you have a rainstorm contaminants could come out of that and end up flowing towards the wetland that would be one concern the other thing the uh wetland area has been
flagged will those flags be removed at some point or will they be left in place so that someone who wanted to watch what was going on could see from the street i think we generally require that
um signs be placed so they would be visible from the street so we could see if there was street but we we they signed without trespassing was what I was concerned with i'm not sure how that works i just know we are we putting signs we usually if
you would like to if the commission would like that there's like damation signs back there then that could be a condition that you put in there i'm I'm I would be concerned considering how uh busy that area is businesses what have you i believe at one time there was some
uh construction company that stored material in the back that might have been very close to if not on part of that uh wetlands back there um I don't know if that was uh looked at i'm going back
from my memory maybe not someone some other people's memory uh again I'd be concerned with the uh demolition debris not being uh left in place hauled away daily we could make that a condition
uh I guess it's that's not your issue that's uh one was if the businesses occupy all of the bottom of this uh these buildings uh and again that's not a business if they park it on the street or on the
property with droppings from these vehicles you add the contamination of the parking area i'm I'm concerned with the contamination that could take place on this property where it's so close to
the wetlands right i don't live there i live in town i drive by there and I see things and it's my concern would be for the abutis the town in general thank you so maybe just another
condition that no parking is allowed in that that walkway area uh yeah Mary do you have a question could we go back to that original I just I Are there trees there that are coming
down those circles on the front end yep uh so most of these are Norway maples uh there are if you go to the next sheet everything that has an X through it is going to be removed those are
mature trees Bill those are uh yes they're mature trees and there are four of them in the buffer zone and on the very last sheet is the landscape plan and that shows four trees that are going to be installed in the buffer zone um
that's close enough okay um four trees in the buffer zone along that uh northerly property line plus four additional ones outside the buffer zone do you know what type of trees they're going to be
um landscape plan if you would go to the last sheet please so was that a one for one uh replacement are you taking out eight in the buffer zone it's not one for one
uh so these are maple trees here the ones you're putting back in yes and the ones that are there on the left side are those staying these down down here will stay those are
They're not going to interfere with the getting in and out of the uh the parking spaces so it's not all the trees that are It's not all the trees no all right thank you any other questions the likelihood of the demolition of the
building going beyond a day is likely not going to happen so that demolition process of the dwelling will likely occur within a 1-day period so everything will be removed as it's knocked down correct i have a question on your parking i
again curious uh those the delineated spaces what are there 16 there two four six there there's 16 total spaces so someone's parked in the back spaces and someone parked in the front is that a How will
that work they're tandem spaces two spaces per unit so each unit has a tandem space oh so they own the space in front and by or the right to it correct i see
figure get ugly fast couldn't it it could if it wasn't that way okay board what's our what's our pleasure well I'd like to go out and see the property myself um me as well i don't know how the rest of the board feels but I'm like I would make a motion
for a site visit if I need to motion that i don't know if we need a motion i don't think I need or we can just set it up second someone else um okay okay so we're we're kind of on the the the same page we all kind of want to get out there and see yeah we all want to go out
okay you had a question then we get to see the wetland too and get a real feel for it you know there's a whole uh there's a whole area back there not behind there where the trucks trucks go in and out right yes
that's near you isn't it yes hi uh Amy Butler town meeting member precinct 1 uh 14 Hunt Street um I had two questions the the first one is um about flooding i know you're trying to do everything to mitigate that with the
100red-year storm with the filtration system but if there was any flooding that would happen to affect the Abutter's properties who's financially responsible for that that's my first question and my second question is um
are there any um stone structures on the current property site any u walls or anything like that there is a stone wall between my property and the Patterson's property
that is the only wall on the property it's technically on their property and my property at that location my property is lower than their property but as we go back towards the
wetlands mine maintains the same elevation or slight slope and theirs drops a couple of feet the other question of the flooding the responsibility would be the insurance company
really who knows and not yours well how would your insurance company say that yeah i I don't even know how to respond to that you know that's you know that's the insurance company's going to
come in insurance or not so are those properties in a flood zone no not there is no flood zone there is there correct and is that right Bill yes it's not in a mapped flood zone and
then as as Jay spoke several times in the book we've modeled the runoff so that we either mimic or reduce the amount of runoff and volume in the 2 10 25 and
100year storms so if there is any flooding beyond that it's going to affect everybody it's not from this property what is the reason for the wetlands being there is it yeah as I've described the the
wetland in my report this is a depressional feature that's basically it it's between the properties on Beacon Street and High Street and in at least in this area and then it drains out through that culvert that is was
installed underneath the sewer berm um so you know historically I'm sure it was a low area and people have folks have built all around it and that's what's left how far back is the rail trail from here i'm not familiar so Rick the rail
trail how far i just have to think that that being constructed how many years ago there's no adjacency to the rail trail there's excuse me no adjacency to the rail trail how far back is it i'm just Well there are houses just theorizing that the the
wetlands is there partially because of this rail structure that was built 150 years ago and it just altered the drainage that's all I'm getting at yeah it's from my point of view it's a significant distance you have Beacon Street you have another street and then
it's it comes on an angle it's even it's behind uh the paving company maybe not do you mind going to sheet C1 we can scroll through these drawings that's okay
so this is our uh vicinity map on one more oh sorry so this is the subject site right here this is the rail trail so the the wetlands are somewhere in this
area this is 100 this is 400 ft here probably about 1,000 ft away okay all right thanks yep uh okay so u I think we're all in agreement that we'd like to get out and see the site so can Emily and uh the
applicants kind of make some sort of a mutually agreeable uh absolutely plan and you will continue yeah are we going to try uh after work hours on weekends um well for me it doesn't matter uh but yeah usually Emily will send out an
email just says when we're available and uh we kind of get to some if possible during the week you know it's light till 7:30 now so okay yep absolutely authentic we'll get together on that yeah we just find that site visits whenever we can absolutely we expected
that okay that being said we need to continue this hearing so someone can make a motion to do that all right i'll make a motion that we uh continue the hearing uh for 61
High Street DP file number 14-1432 to what our next scheduled hearing date it's good with the applicant yeah and get it done in two weeks yeah we can try to get this in we can do it in two weeks yep i think so all right all right so the 24th 24th
then is there a second i'll second it all in favor i I Okay all right thank you we'll see you then we'll see you before then um uh old or new business uh the first thing we'll talk about is minutes from
the March 13th 2025 meeting um presuming everyone's had a chance to review those and if so someone can make a motion to accept those and we'll be done with it i'll make a motion to accept the minutes from the March what was it 13 2025
meeting i second the motion all in favor i I Okay is there any other anything else we need to discuss november for so far at the April 24th meeting so far we have one new notice of
intent um that that hearing will open up that evening and there's also two certificates of compliance for that evening um and then of course the continuation for tonight will be on the 24th um so I'll be getting all that information out to you most likely tomorrow or Monday
afternoon all right okay thanks Emily you have any recruits to join us on the We are trying we are trying i keep reaching out um I'm going to work with Aaron tomorrow i think we're going to try to put a big like news flash on the website too we're We're trying we're working on it peter I used Maybe the new
town manager can uh Yes in with the street right yeah there when I was a little kid and behind back there was Weather's Field uh they made cartons of milk and bottles and they had a conveyor and a factory and you should
dump all the cotton in the back and it was all wetland and dump uh dump a dump basically so yeah it's been there for a long time absolutely different yeah sure okay we're all set then i'm
all set here so Okay motion to adjurnn yeah all right motion to I make a motion to adjourn the meeting i second all in favor i Okay great thank you all all right thanks for all