Okay, good. Thank you. Good evening. Welcome to the Danvers Conservation Commission meeting for June 26, 2025. We as a commission operate under the Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 131, Section 40, the Wetlands Protection Act.
Chapter 26 of the town of Danford's general bylaw, the wetlands protection bylaw. After each applicant presents his or her request and the board has had time to ask questions and discuss the project, we will accept questions from the audience. Because this is the public because this
is a public meeting, it is required by law that you give your name and your address before you speak. Although we may disagree with the on the issues raised, all persons present during this meeting are expected to be suited to all other meeting attendees. This includes members of the commission,
staff, owners, concerned citizens, property owners, and project. We also request that you confine your questions to the project and only as it pertains to the wetlands act. We cannot handle nor do we have jurisdiction over matters such as noise or traffic. All
problems not related to the wetlands protection taken up other appropriate awards. Uh, first order of business will be a roll call. Peter Wilson is present. Drape not with us. Mary
present. Michael here. The first item on our agenda would be a notice of intent for 12 Cherry Hill Drive. The applicant is So, good evening, Jill Man. Um, leave
with Council for Millipur. My office is located at 191 South Main Street in Middleton. Um, thank you for hearing us this evening. Here with me tonight is Mark Baker who's the representative for Millipur. Um also um Bob Yenzio who is
actually the site contractor for the particular project and Moren Harold from Norris Engineering the wetland um scientist who will be presenting to you the more detailed wetland um issues and answering those detailed questions from
you. I thought maybe it'd be a good idea to give you context relative to the site and also why Millipur is looking to uh make these modifications to its property. So, um, great. I'm going to give you I actually have some hand, um,
handouts for you. And the reason I'm going to give them to you, yeah, is because these may have show a little bit of additional information because Josh Morris had asked us a couple of questions. So, I supplemented. So, I kind of like you to have the same stuff that the planning board is looking at,
too. Thank you. Oh, great. Thank you. You can have it back. 17 building. Um just as some again to provide some context in in and around 2021 they ended
up expanding their um their operation to 54 Cherry Hill. Um again COVID effect, right? So they are a science um technology provider research development and they basically manufacture testing tools in their um they are actually in
the pharmaceutical industry. So obviously there was huge demand for their products um in and around 2020 2021 and they saw a huge increase then so they ended up taking some space at 54 Cherry um as a result of COVID being over methodologies relative to
distancing etc having ended they had given up their lease at 54 Cherry Hill which is referenced in your in your package and now they brought all manufacturing back under one roof at 17 Cherry Hill as As a result of that, they were no longer uh they're no longer
allowed to use the parking they had used at 54 because they need that the 54 um owners need it for their space. So, we're here tonight to ask for additional parking to be allowed to be
constructed on site on 12 and on 17. Um we currently have on these two properties about 318 parking spaces. Milipur has been a longtime um partner and job provider in the town of Danvers. They currently have somewhere around
1,200 employees. It's a very large enterprise. They run five shifts. That's how they get to that high a number. So this is a standard um pretty much pharmaceutical operator that manufactures um products. So they have five shifts. Um the reason why again
we're looking for more parking is because 54 is gone. So we lost, you know, somewhere around 80 spaces and because they need to provide better parking situation for their employees. Currently, their employees are parking on grass, they're parking where they
shouldn't. Um there's not enough space because while the bylaws require one parking space per employee, and you do have some employees who will have, you know, shared cars, they drive their bikes, some of them will take public transportation. The issue is with shift
change, especially in a manufacturing, you need overlap. You need overlap so people can talk to one another and you need overlap so that your shift is properly managed. So, we have an absolute need for more parking. I'm just going to show you I'm just going to show
you some pictures of how that actually impacts the site. This is just a closeup. This is closeup showing how parking attendant actually on site helping us shift. Oh yeah, shift change in
particular. That's where the project is for us. This is an overview. So we actually have Mr. Thank you very much. everybody. So, we're looking to expand the expansion areas are again within 17 and
12. All of the expansion areas, by the way, I know and I we all realize they're within the 35 and the 50, which is why we need extra help from the board and waiverss under your bylaw. However, all of those areas are either degraded are completely um I guess
invaded by invasive species and are already disturbed. Many of the areas are either grasped or they are currently a um storm water management um basin or you know one of the systems that currently are used on site. Um and we
need to use those areas to be able to provide parking. But I will tell you that within those designated areas, it's basically all storm water management systems, there's only eight feet of pavement in one of your specifically prohibited um areas. And Maren will
address that and she can walk through. Um but basically, we intend to be able to have Moren demonstrate to you that the interests that are supposed to be protected by your bylaw via the 35 and the 50 um are not currently protected by what's going on now. But when we
actually will transition into the parking areas, we'll remove all the invasive species. We'll make sure there's proper treatment of all storm water management and you'll be actually helping one of um you know Damber's largest employers. So the three parking
areas I'm just going to point out and then I'm going to turn it over to Moren. So we have 27. Could you just go back and say that one more time? Is that that whole square?
Oh, that's the additional parking. All right. So, that's C. this area. And as you can see on the overhead protecting the interest that are supposed to be protected by that 35 and 50 foot buffer. Um at the end of the
day, we need an additional We need we need the 450 spaces. Basically, we show it's 447, but we need all of those spaces to be able to accommodate our employees. Right now, they're parking on the grass. They're parking on the street. Um, so at this
point, I'm going to ask Moren to come up and then specifically address your bylaw. I think just I just wanted to give you some context relative to why we are asking for the additional parking. Hi everyone, my name is Herald from
North Environmental Services, 2100 Lake View A, Drake at Mass. Um, Emily, would you mind um putting up plan C3 for me? Yes. Okay. So, we filed a notice of intent with the
commission. We're proposing to remove some pavement, walkways, vegetation, and grass areas to construct and extend parking lots, curbing, replace speed bump, buffer zone and riverfront restoration, enlarge and construct drainage grading and associated
utilities within the 100 foot buffer zone and 200 foot riverfront area. So, could you just point out on the drawing where the 100 foot boundaries? Exactly what I was going to do next. Yes. So we have an unnamed perennial stream. Let me
start with that. We have a ponded area. 200 foot area. Yellow line. So I think maybe the The easiest way to go about this because it's two separate properties and we filed as one notice of intent is to maybe focus on one
property, answer any questions and then go on to the second one if that works for the commission. Okay, so we talked about the resource areas 12 Cherry Hill. parking lot. Right now,
I have photograph We'd like to right now itself compilation. We are invasives and type material and I think we can really
improve the buckazone by removing that material do some native planting as well as invasive species management in that area. We're also proposing restoration.
Again, this is a waterm black locust and honeysuckle and multifllora rose. It's loaded up pretty well with bittersweet as well. If the commission is amendable to the project and to the site, what we'd like to do is just improve the overall
quality of this area, remove these invasives, plant native plants in this area, as well as monitor the invasives, um, you know, manage the invasives. the existing swale that's there right now.
It has pretty much dominated by monoculture of fragmitees, our common reef. Again, we'd like to remove that material, put in a wetland seed mix, and just try and improve the overall quality of the
buffone and the riverfront area as well. The area with parking is proposed right now. That is existing lawn area. We do have a walkway that the employees use to access the building again.
We're going to enlarge the drainage system that's there right now to treat the storm water for the parking area as well as do a number of invasive species management, take the invasives out and do some natural plantings. The constructed
wetlands themselves, they will be planted with native plants um and will be allowed to grow and to thrive in these areas. And I can open it up to the commission with any questions that you may have. Um
the first and foremost is we saw something normally when we grant a waiver I think our regulations limited to 10% of the property that's requesting somewhere. Could you just show us on that map where
all the square footage is? just kind of get a feel for what you're asking. Again, right now of pavement with We do realize that we are requesting the
commission for a number of waiverss and that's why we're trying to essentially improve the overall site of that number again. proposing to manage the invasive
as well as We're proposing that large. But the parking lot over there is outside of the 50. That is correct. So a lot of that alteration and if the commission was interested I can provide
a breakdown for you but a lot of that alteration is improvement to the resource area and the buffer zone. So safe to say most of the the waiver that's being requested is just to work within these areas. Okay.
questions. Also, I don't know if you knew this just for clarification too. Um there is a portion of the buffer areas that are already graveled and part of the I guess mitigation or improvement how to
contribute better to the protection is to put up a burm or some sort of a barrier because in the current condition people do park there because it's grass. It's gravel and it's grass. So, in in certain circumstances, the gravel flows. So, what we're trying to do, and I think
we already actually cleaned out that storm basin, took all the debris out, and now Yeah. And now try to really protect it by putting up a preventive um border so that things can't continue to flow into the protected areas. Sorry. No, no, that's okay.
Mike, question. Yeah. What percentage uh of the work what percentage of first let's start with that lot. Okay. What percentage of the actual parking spaces are in either 35 the 50 and the 100? If you could point
that out in terms of a percentage or square footage. What? Proposed parking or existing? All right. Well, let me just cut to Are you suggesting that the majority of the
work in the 35 and 50 uh in the nature of improvements and not of additional pavement? That is correct with one exception. But the majority And how much impervious are you adding?
That is a good question. I have to get back to you on that because I'm not sure of the number. I think we'll probably be going out to the site here. So you maybe you could revise some of the or update some of your information, but I'd like to know um
what percentage of the work in the 35 and in the 50 uh is actually the work in the lawn, for example, or not actually adding impervious. So, if you're saying, "Well,
we're out in the 35, but we're creating uh we're planting new trees or that sort of thing versus uh the uh impervious." Okay. So, the only impervious within the 50 foot no build is the eight square
feet on Cherrywood. On number 12, the larger parking lot, we're not proposing any impervious within the 35 and the 50. The work that we're proposing is drainage features, constructed storm
water, wetlands, restoration, that type of work. Okay. And then that work well, sorry. Yeah. That work in part will be the handle, the increased water coming off of these. Correct. So the constructed storm water
wetlands are designed to handle the new impervious area that we're proposing within the buff zone, the riverfront, and the entire site. Was there storm water treatment here previously? And was there a previous order of conditions? Yes. So I can show you the existing
storm water. Are they allowed to work within an existing swale that's under a storm water condition? Um, well, I mean, they do need a a storm water permit from engineering anyway to do this work. Um, and I think it will help with the site visit, too. When we were out there in April, they showed the areas where it
does need, it's very echoey, I'm sorry, where it needs a lot of to repair it and get it functioning again properly. So, it's it seems like it is necessary work to get everything. So, it's not functioning. Uh now, it's I mean, they can speak more to it from being out there, but from what we saw in the site,
it's not functioning properly up to the standards that it should be at this point. Was it under an order of maintenance? Uh that I would have to check. I'd have to find the prior order condition. Yeah, we'd like to see that, I'm sure. Yeah, I can grab that. Yeah, we'll find out. go to the mic.
I can't hear you. There are there are operations and maintenance plans for the for storm water management that you're allowed to undertake without additional permits. It's just when something breaks or if you have to do something material, you have to enhance the system, make it larger, change it, um then you have to
come back and modify. But you have an O andM operations and maintenance plan and under that they have attempted to make repairs. It's just that the current situation in the setup isn't it I guess the initial design was a little faulty. So what I explained before is what we're
proposing to do is put a curve and change the storm water to make it so that it's going to continue to function in the future. Miliport has tried to maintain it. So for example, Mr. Tanzio has gone out, you know, you have to really go in and take the sediment out so it'll work properly and they have
done that. Um, it's just that it's it's not a very good system the way it's designed. Does that involve engineering here for your storm water? We have it's fully engineered in the plan and then a storm water report has been submitted to for the new systems to be able to
integrate the old with has been reviewed by storm water. We we submitted submitted the engineering team. We would want comments on that. Yes. Yeah, we would definitely want comments. Yeah. But I mean, the point I guess tonight
was is to kind of show you um I'm just going to Are you going to uh be able to lay out where the parking is so if we go out we can get we can see it on the ground? We can we can put stakes up so that we can, you know, we can mark
them. um and show you where the proposed area is. So, we'll have to walk it with you so we can say, "Okay, it's, you know, this far off of the stake." Um because it we can't literally quadrant off. You can see it relative to the 35 and the
50. We can Yeah, we can show you. Yes, we can give you a good idea as to where it is. So, do you traditionally when you do your sitewalks, do you come out and you meet with us so that we can assist? Yeah, you'll you'll be able to see clearly where everything is. 3550. We'll show you the 100. We'll show you the
repairarian inner and outer. Um so that you have a good bearing. But I mean I think the most important message here tonight is that we have made extraordinary effort to keep all pavement except for that 8 ft and it's just because of the configuration out of your 50 foot. I mean our intent is to
honor the spirit of your bylaw. The only reason we have to actually go into the other areas is to provide the treatment that you demand under your bylaw, right? To protect your wetland. Um, and those features are in the areas and they always are kind of adjacent to where the
wetland areas will be and they currently are. And what we also tried to do when we were adding those structures is to try and keep them in areas that are disturbed, areas that are degraded, areas that we have to go in. If you go out and you look at the site, you're going to see all the fragmitees. going to be like, "Seriously, can you clean
them up because they're not good." Um, and that's what we'll try to do. Sometimes I say, "I'll take the frag biting." Oh, Siri. Okay. I mean, depends. It depends. It depends. As opposed to concrete. Yeah. Yeah. But we're not proposing any concrete. That's
kind of the point. And we wanted to What's the percent How much impervious are you adding? Oh my goodness. Not Well, impervious to the whole site. No. Well, how much within your jurisdiction? within the 50 and the 30 foot. None. Well, eight feet. Eight square feet. No,
but I mean just that's kind of Do you mean Go ahead. How much impervious are you adding not within uh the whole thing? Oh my um Okay, I can actually do it. It's 147
spaces. Got to go somewhere. And we do I'm sorry I keep making this move and I don't mean to. Um, we are taking all of the impervious area and directing it to those two new basins to treat. But in addition to that, you're asking me what the exact square footage of the impervious area. I really can't Well,
not at the everything, but what you're adding the you've added spaces. How much impervious does are you adding? It's probably Okay, so it's 200,000. You have to count probably about I would say what 10,000 square feet because it's
each parking space. as a dimension and multiply it by the number 69 square feet is each parking space we're doing 146 so multiply I'm so off on my math so 146 right so just say a minute I have
so it's 146 and 24 foot aisles and the 24 foot aisle is the whole thing and it's 8 time 20 on one side so 160 so that's like 160 by 18 24 36 50. So, it's got to be 160 by
50 on that one. I'm not good at I'm an attorney. The math is lose. I'm losing. Um Moren's going to be better at that, but I we can give you the percentages. I dropped figuring it out. Yeah. Well,
of course. And when you if you ask us, look, we want you to give us the exact um you know, amount of disturbance in each zone. We can break it. into square feet too. I mean because it's all basically it's all the storm water and as I said we do have that one 8 feet 8
foot area and you can see it's because just to square off the parking lot honestly. So you basically have three different areas that you're going to make substantial improvements in. Yes. Um okay while we're waiting for that
further questions. Thank you. I had something. So you guys are going to do um you had mentioned some constructed wetlands. Yes. So she's So Moren's proposing to do a constructed wetland. That's this right.
And you also mentioned um you were going to improve the quality by monitoring and managing invasives. How does the monitoring and managing work? Who does that? Right. So, you have us put in place an operations maintenance plan that we have to show that we actually
will do that. My recommendation is always that you submit an annual report and then quite frankly, you know, that triggers, okay, we need an annual report. Here it is. Here it is. Here it is. Um, and we demonstrate that we actually go out and and ensure that if the invasive species come back, which we
all know they do, so you have to manage it. It's very once they're there it's impossible sometimes to fully eradicate. Um but with constant maintenance we can but with that management um how do they manage the invasives? Do you
know the invasives? Yeah. What's the process? What's the process to manage those invasives? Oh, as far as like what they do is that like a set most times it's it's literally going in and ripping them out. So I mean like when we go in we come in
and you'd remove them all. I mean, you don't I don't think we spray. I know in some instances people will apply those sprays that aren't supposed to hurt anything, but we have to ask Moren what she's proposing for that. I I don't know the exact protocol for it. But she can.
Any other questions? Um I think we should visit. Absolutely. Let me just uh drive it a little. How many employees do they have during the steady state of a shift? Yeah. So
basically the way the most important shift change is they have a 6:30 to 2 and then at 2:30 to I'm doing it the wrong way. 6:30 to 2:30 and then 2 to 10. So those two shifts have about 400
maximum on each shift. Sometimes it goes to 417 because sometimes people have to do overtime. The problem is like I said in order to ensure proper um manufacturing and handing over, you need an overlap. That's why we have extra
spaces. How many how many with these extra spaces? How many extra spaces will you have? Probably very few. Maybe we'd have, you know, an extra 20. I need a number. So you have 400 employees and you want to have 700 say to accommodate the shift
change. No, no, because everybody Okay, that's I understand it now. So currently we use about 418 parking spaces total. That's what we're using right now and that's because we use 54 as well. Um we only have 347 on this. I think it's 34.
I have to look at my notes. I left them there. But we don't have enough here. So we had to increase it by at least 110 spaces. And what we're asking for is actually an increase by 146 because we are now starting to grow again and we
have the need for um more parking. So that's why we're asking for the extra number one. Number two, when we have a big order to fill, we have to have overtime. Overtime means more parking because you have the people coming in for their normal shift and we have the people with overtime. So we believe and
Mark can speak to this, Mr. could speak to this that with the 456 bases, we will be good. That that is if we can have that, we're not going to be parking on grass. We're not going to be parking on the street because we are we just parking on the
grass. Now, you're just proposing to pave that. 100% correct to make it so that they're not, you know, parking in spaces that ought not be parked in. And then when you have winter conditions and things get very mucky, it really degrades the area.
What's the term for as far as um how long that long-term st um parking space will be enough? Is it like a you said the 456 you guys would be good for how long? Um because I know companies love
to grow which is a wonderful thing but as far as the 456 is that you know good for a while or is it do you know what I mean? What's the forecast? So the 456 handles the 100 new employees we just that we just hired and are anticipated we have 10 more employees coming on. So
we think that's fine. Do we really believe that we're going to grow by leaps and bounds additional in the next few years? We don't. Um you know can we project more? I think that if we had an additional growth, we'd end up having to expand the facility because the physical
plant is only so large. So if but but that's the that's actually a good So Mark Mr. Baker's point is is if we do need to hire more, we're not going to hire from the 6 to 2:30 shift to the 2 to 10 shift, we'll hire. So the
other shifts, those are the only two shifts with 400 employees. The other ones have 100 150 and we run three other shifts. So if we do have to expand, we would fill it in there because you can only fit so many people in the physical plant itself. So to answer your
question, that was a long- winded way of saying I Mark said that yes, it does handle it. I'm sorry. Could you let us know where you are? Yeah, the mic. Uh Mark Baker here from Millipore Sigma.
So, as she stated, the A and the B shift is what we call the first and the second shift at this time. Um close to capacity now. We can only put so many folks into our manufacturing space, which is clean room. Um footprint is only so big. As well as on the A shift and part of B
shift, typically into the 5:00 PM time frame, we have our office staff For the most part, a lot of our engineering staff, safety staff, all of them, they're not here on the off hours, certainly in that capacity. We may have honestly one or two, not 90 or 100 of
them here. Um, and we are essentially in an on call. We need to come in, we will come in as we all live now, the electronic world, we're constantly in touch with our folks on the off hours. So the A and the B is where we are at most concerned as as she's already
stated at the shift change. We have the folks still in the building and the folks coming in for the next shift and the office staff. And by end of year, our overflow parking, which right now averages 75 to 80 at the seven at the 54 Cherry Hill,
goes away. They have to come back one way or another. And that shift change now I have zero with 75 to 80 vehicles at 54. Could you stagger your ship changes? We
we've tried multiples with that too. And what ends up happening is you several things you affect your production level because you're not able to have continuous production running and it is a challenge to stay continuous with our product and our machines continuing to run. You know, as we tried to do with every change.
Yeah, we've gone back and forth on that. And also what we have is we have a Monday to Thursday for the A, B, and C one, two, and three shifts most here. And then you have a Friday, Saturday, Sunday that run 12 hours. So we have complete shifts. So it's the Monday to
Thursday. We we have the A and the B shift overlap. Friday we're fine because it's 12:00 p.m. uh 6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. So they're not shifting in between when we have the other cars there. So the real issue was the Monday to Thursday. We are at this time shy 110
spaces. And as she stated also, if we pull in any overtime, 15 on the first shift, 15 on the other shifts can bring us 30 at the same time for a period. Is there any other space in the industrial park
that you could use for? No, everything is occupied. Yeah. In the whole in the whole park down in the areas and where we would have employees walking. No, we don't have anything available to that aspect. What happened to the other space? You
lost it or what? Well, we're not renewing the lease. As as you know, as she stated earlier, the business downturn doesn't warrant keeping both buildings running. I thought business was good in that. No, business is good, but not to support two full sites, which is double capacity.
So, if the 54 Cherry Hill site did not come online, which was done, as she said, for the for the pandemic, our path of growth has still been the same. So even if we didn't have 54 and we were only here, we would be in the same predicament. The only thing that
happened is for a bit with 54 online, we were able to shift between both sites. Two and a half years ago, we went to add parking. We started it on our team. We were going to add the same parking to this site minus the end. And we were looking to add 100 site uh parking
spaces to the 54 site also. That was at the peak of running both buildings due to the pandemic. that building's gone away. Everybody came over. So, the overall growth for this site as it stands hasn't changed. We had a transition year as as every
company did with the pandemic in 24 where we went flat because now they're eating up all the inventory. All the customers are all the stuff they pre-built because they couldn't wait anymore because of the pandemic. There was no lead times that they could afford to get the product out. As they were eating their inventories, we went flat
and now we're back on the upturn again. So, as as she spoke also, we've already brought in we we started 12 employees this week. We're starting more next week. So, not all on the same shifts. They go across all our shifts. Um, but right now, our A and our B shift are not at capacity, but they are very close to
capacity. So, there's not a lot more we can add during that time, but our offshifts are going to grow. Our C shift is going to grow and so on. We talk about going out there. question. How many parking spaces are
you proposing to add total? Total number was 146 if I remember off top my head, right? 146. I'm just really just trying to push to reduce some of this some of the impervious side of it,
right? just you know some kind of creative way to do things to just eliminate one of these areas and this uh you know we're really going well beyond the limits of our regulations and I'm not even sure if
we're are we legally authorized to to go up to 100% of a piece of property with a waiver I would I would probably need to speak to council on that um it's a this is a very unique situation for because it's not creating more impervious
surface. It's not degrading the wetlands. It's actually repairing the wetlands and creating the new storm water system that is in need of repair. Are you going to ask council? Are you planning to? Yes. Y just to make sure that we're you probably know that we have the
regulation. We can issue waiverss but only up to 10% of the the amount of property that's within that zone within that jurisdictional boundary. So you're asking us for the 80%. So I'm not sure
that we can legally do that. But in the meantime, I still think that we got to be able some way to to eliminate some of this. So we are just so everybody knows too while we aren't creating I believe the
bylaw and I agree with the bylaw is really speaking to the disruption and then the construction. So we create an impediment. What we're actually doing is adding things that purify and and improve your wetland. So I think it's a little bit of a different
waiver also. Um so we are adding how much imper I'm going to how much impervious area those those three sections. So parking lot a go to the other one
the next one. 18,658 square. That's the entire parking lot. That's not entirely within the resource area, just so you know. Um, well, it's except for
eight square feet within the 50 foot and a portion of it within the buffer zone and a minor portion within the river. Okay. Yes. So, parking lot B, which is the one in the middle, that's 10,80 square ft
and parking lot C is 14,400 square ft. So that's the entire area on the property of of newly created impervious. Yes. And what's the total roughly? Yeah.
Yeah. 38,000 38,000 38,000. What? What is that? That's removal. It looks like it's existing. Yes. So that's being saw cut.
Go pavement to pavement. You need fresh edge. So they will saw cut. So the issue I have is in that area some of the pavement has potholes has a bit of a mess. So we're going to replace like for like in the hashed area and then from there over is the new. So that's that's
already exist. That's already pavement, right? Why can't that be a parking space? It is already. Oh, so you're not removing it. You said remove. All right. Right. So, I can hear the commission's
concern regarding the work within your buffer zone. So, what I'd like to do is get the numbers in terms of what's within your 35 foot and what it is we're proposing, which is the drainage and how much area is that and we're going to get some clarification on uh whether that uh
or we can do whether we can exceed the 10% and does what does that 10% actually refer to? Is it only refer to areas within the 3550 or uh that where there is some existing
pavement because all your it seems all your parkings outside of that and does that impact that? Is that right? That's what we want to know. And some of it's the area that we're proposing to restore by removing the invasives, treating and
and planting native plants. Um so that was that was our thought. Well, how much of it how much of it is involving how much area involves the uh fragmite? So, most of the fragmitees is within the
existing storm water swale that's on the property which is right here. That's most of the fragmitees. I don't like the plant. Um, we can certainly improve that. It would improve the treatment for system as well. How would
the uh how would the bases be removed? I know there's some application paint poison on them. Right. So, ideally, if that's allowable to the commission, and I don't know if it is or not. Are you talking about taking individual plants out, hand treating it
with a glove? That's one method we could do. We could do the cut and dab method. Um, I don't think we would do a a spray type scenario because we are close to the river in the BBW, but we would do some
herbicide treatment on the invasives. Cut it, remove, treatment, cut it, remove, and then we would be introducing at the same time native plants that would hopefully become established and, you know, just flourish in that area
with the maintenance of the invasives. Well, I've seen swailes with fragmite. Do they does that mean that they impair the function of the soil? Not necessarily. Not necessarily, but this site does need um Well, we're going to see. It needs
some um attention. Yes. Yes, it does need some attention. There a lot of litter in the wetlands around the Not so much litter. Not so much litter, but the um where parking lot C is that area
there's a lot of fill and debris and concrete and that kind of stuff through there and the a situation that
within the 35 or 50 foot boundaries and how we deal with that How would that affect this project? What does this have to do with this? So this one is this is your a right and this is theore. So I think no but this this
parking lot right here on the same wetland let me hop back to that one. But I don't know I think this is where they're doing right and are these two this is two separate companies. Yes. So this is only the not
that. Okay. So what was your question Peter? But just how how do we deal with this with the order of conditions we've done with AB because it's bordering on pretty much the same. Yeah. I can take a look into I can pull up the
order conditions that we have. You know when we go out there see what we did there. Yes. Yep. Absolutely. pull that up for you and send it over. Okay. So, uh, are there any other questions? No. No. I think we should have a site visit though. I just have a
quick question. The What's the total additional is it 43,000 for the three parking lots? Yes. Yeah. About that. And just again noteworthy to mention that almost all of the area that's being
altered at all within your jurisdiction already is altered. This isn't Yeah, I understand. Okay. But I I just thought I should bring it up because your bylaw really is speaking to new disturbance. It's talking about pristine areas that you go back toward. So this is fully
clearing it. It's not pristine area by any stretch. Two quick questions. The say something walkway where the proposed parking lot on the right hand side of
the street is. Right. So those employees are they still going to walk through the parking lot or is there going to be another walkway constructed for them? No, that that walkway was there temporarily because we also had property at Five Cherry Hill down the
street, the next lot on the other side. So they would use that to walk between the two sites. It's not Yeah, you don't do that anymore. No, we have some folks at lunchtime like to go for walks. They may walk across it, but that that's not any any need for us to go forward at all. And it's a stone dust type
material. Impervious. Okay. And then on the left hand side of the street, you're saying it's mowed every day, but I think cars are parking there now. Every time I ride by there, cars parked there. Right. So, you're already using that as
parking. And that's in some of the pictures. you can actually see it. Uh, but you're proposing to pave that, correct? But the pavement does have some value in terms of if you are parking cars on there. There is a treatment system
within the pavement. We have the deep catch basins and it would run into the constructed storm water wetland right now or less, right? And I mean obviously the lawn's probably treated with fertilizer and any
type of phosphorus or nitrogen. So there is some disadvantage to having lawn and then having the vehicles on it. It's unlikely there's any type of spills or oil dripping, but if there was, it would be seeping through the ground. The
pavement would at least capture it and and it would be treated. This is the first time I had someone suggested that pavement was a good thing over grass. I think sir, if you're parking vehicles on grass and you had Well, you shouldn't be
parking the vehicles on the grass. Well, that's why we're here tonight because we're hoping that maybe the commission might consider this proposal. be interesting to see when this building was built requirements were what was that I think I can add
interesting to see when this building was built and approved by the you're probably going to get the same question from the planning board you know if the building is sized properly why do you need more parking spaces it's all the shifts around well
let let's start first of all with the use of the building internally has changed multiple times over the years first manufacturing that was done I want to say it was traffic lights or something to that effect you know per square foot per person working probably was you know 12 square feet uh whereas now around a sixoot table I might have
five people working so big difference there that that's 100% what I can say from my you know 18 years here around seeing this including that when I first started there um the four light poles always existed two of them were in that area which was
a grassy area um from that center island back. I can't tell you exactly when but maybe eight years ago we expanded into there um also with the town and we paved that area and it used to be well over your ankle
height of boots if you walked out there of water consistent. Um so to a lot of their point now that's all become controlled and you know managed through the systems now. Um you know and as you'll see when you come out to visit it's it's a good size you know area of a
lot of water that's being collected. That was done eight years ago. You said I I'd have to double check that with you. I I don't know off top of my head and honestly it's probably longer than that because time if you add in the five years of the pandemic it's probably 13
years ago. So we all set for question. Yeah. Now we just have to arrange to get out there and we have four weeks until our next one. Next one is July 24th. Yeah. Uh could you facilitate that? Yes, of
course. And let's try and Absolutely. The more people the better. Would that be during the week like five or how would um it's once I have some times narrowed down with the team, I can send out some options to you guys and we'll do whatever we can to make sure we get everyone out there. If we have to do more than one site visit just to make
sure we get everyone there, then I can coordinate with you all and we can try. Yeah, nice to see. Where are we going to park? No, I I could put you in a visitor spot up front. I seriously like to see just how busy
Yeah. Well, we could go see that anyway. Yeah, I'd be happy to have you out there at shift change. Yes, I get it all for you. Continue the meeting, right? Yes. And now we just have to There's no public comment. There's no public. So,
someone makes a motion to continue to July 24th. We will do so. Right. We're not making any I'll just make a motion to continue. Next date. July 21st.
Is it July 20? No. Yeah, because we're missing one. Yeah, I'll second that. All in favor? All right. All right. Okay. So, we will see you. We look forward to seeing you before the next meeting. Thank you. Fantastic. Fantastic. Great. Thank you guys so
much. So Emily will want to know what That 10% refers to specifically. I can get all that information. Emily, you said you had no minutes. No minutes. I didn't get back from vacation. We know you're busy. And have you recruited
anyone for us yet? We are trying. We're trying. I have Aaron and Brian are on the case, too. They've got out because people have expressed interest in um ZVA as well as planning potentially. So, we're we're really trying. ZVA disorder. I'm sorry. ZVA added
They did. Yeah, they they didn't want to drink. Oh, for Okay. Okay. We're done. We know. We know. We need that. Okay. So, someone make a motion to adjurnn. I make a
motion to adjourn the meeting. I second motion. All in favor? Okay. Thank you all. Thank you all.