What's that? >> Good evening. Welcome to the Danbridge Conservation Commission meeting, September 25th, 2025. As a commission, we operate under the Massachusetts General Laws, Chapter 131,
Section 40, the Wetlands Protection Act, and chapter 26 of the Town of Dan's general bylaws, the Wetlands Protection bylaw. presents his or her request and the board has said time to ask questions and discuss the project. We will accept questions from the audience. Because
this is a public meeting is required by law that you give your name and your address before you speak. Although we may disagree on the issues raised, all persons present during this meeting are expected to be civil to all other meeting attendees. This includes members of the commission, staff, abutters,
concerned citizens, property owners, and project applicants. We also request that you confine your questions to the project and only as it pertains to the wetlands act. We cannot handle nor do we have jurisdiction over matters such as noise or traffic. All problems not related to the wetlands
protection act and the town of Dan's wetlands protection bylaw must be taken up with other appropriate boards. Our first order of business will be the introduction of members of the board. I'm Peter Wilson. Uh to my left is Michael Splain.
Mary Hates to my far right and Lorraine Drape is the very near right. Uh first order of business would be a request for a certificate of compliance for 35 Dodav D file number 14-0883.
Uh the applicant is Edward Dy. Uh, good evening. Bob Griffin on behalf of Mr. and Mrs. Doory. Um, when we were here a couple of weeks ago, uh, the commission asked that I check with Mr. and Mrs. Dory to see if they would be willing to remove the sport
court um, as part of uh, bringing the site into the uh, compliance. And I did go back to them and they said they would be willing to do that. They just wanted you to know that they can't do the work until next year. So, I know that we can't expect to get the certificate of
compliance until everything's done, but just given the the time of year and the the workforce that's available to Mr. Dohy, he doesn't think he'll get the work done until next summer. >> How involved is the work? >> Well, obviously you got to remove that
structure and then reestablish, you know, grass in that area and uh he just is unable to do it this fall. >> Okay. Well, it's good to hear that he's willing to do that. >> Uh I think Bob, at our last meeting, we talked about u
an enforcement order. Is that is that what we called it? >> Yes. Yeah. About an enforcement order that would authorize them to do whatever work was agreed upon between the commission and the applicant. >> All right. And and I think Emily's task was between meetings was to go talk to powers that be in in the Danver
hierarchy. >> Yes. >> And they kind of more or less said that that was the way to proceed. So, you know, could you expand on that a little bit, Emily? >> Absolutely. So, as opposed to submitting an after the-act filing for the work, an enforcement order would authorize the
property owner to do this work before the certificate of compliance can be issued as opposed to a whole new filing. It's a direct order to do this work in order to get what they need. And it gets filed with the state, too. >> Okay. >> So, excuse um ask. Yeah. So Emily, we wouldn't be able to issue a certificate
of compliance until the enforcement order is satisfied. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> And that was with your >> No, I think that's fine. I just would ask that you send a draft of the enforcement order so that we can look at the language before we get it finalized
and recorded or, you know, put into the city record or the town records. >> Of course. >> So that's fine. Great. >> Okay. Good. So So how do we proceed now? or we just continue the public hearing or >> it's we can continue it. I would ask that we just confirm it was the wall as well as or I'm sorry the sports court as
well as looks like there was some shrubbery work and a pollinator garden. Were those the three things that were agreed upon to be completed so I can make sure that that's documented? >> Yep. >> Okay. >> So that certificate of compliance won't be heard now till sometime next summer.
>> Yeah. Yep. Yeah. It wouldn't be till next summer. But I can get um if you would like I can get the draft written up now and get that over to you to review and then if he does want to start any work on the pollinator garden or the shrubbery that can get started as soon as the um enforcement order is agreed upon and then we can do the COC and all
that um next summer follow that time. >> Okay. It sounds like a good resolution >> and if he gets it done early he can come back you know. >> Yeah definitely. Um, does this enforcement order uh reside with the current owners or if the property is sold? Would it transfer?
>> It goes with the property. >> It goes with the property. >> Transfer with the property. >> Okay. All right. So, that but that's any kind of sales that's got to be disclosed, I would think. >> Um, okay. So, this is a I'm sorry, we're going to close the public hearing after
I've asked for any public comment. >> Yeah. No, it's um you can ask for public comment if you would like. I think I don't really know when we would continue this compliance. >> Yeah. Stiff compliance. >> Yeah. Um I mean we can check in with Bob in a few months and see if there's any
progress on anything, but this is it would be kind of silly to keep coming back every week or every two weeks when we're not going to be seeing a final product until you as staff you can keep us up, you know, keep us a breast and >> absolutely absolutely see you next summer. I'll I'll put a note in my file to give you an update in April
approximately April 1st and uh that uh then we'll go from there. >> Perfect. That sounds great. Is that okay with you guys? >> All right. Yeah. On the enforcement order, there's there's no uh deadline on that. Just >> Nope. >> It's open-ended on the >> Yeah. I mean, we can work in that
language as I send the draft over to Bob to to make sure we can get that all squared away. >> Thank you. >> Sure. >> Okay. So, someone can make a motion. And then we're going to to issue an enforcement order and we can just use the text Emily gave us in the memo. >> I'll make
>> a motion to issue an enforcement order for 35 Dodie Avenue D number 14-0883 requiring the agreed upon work be conducted. Um, >> and the three items are the the
pollinated garden, >> pollinated garden, >> the shrubs and the removal of the >> Okay. The shrubs and the removal. >> Is there any structure on the patio? >> No. >> No. Okay. >> Uh, okay. So, the motion's been made to
uh do we issue an enforcement order? Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> All in favor? I I >> Okay. very much. >> Emily, excuse me, just uh >> on your notes here, it says a motion to continue the hearing. >> Yeah, just because we're not closing the certificate of compliance filing. So,
you can continue it until you say April of 2026 and that'll give us plenty of time until they come back. >> We need to vote on that. >> It would help just to have some finality on it until then. >> I'll make a motion to continue the public hearing, but are we continuing to a date certain or no? >> Um, we don't have the finalized dates
for 2026 quite yet. So, we can just say April of 2026 and that that'll be fine. >> Yeah. >> To uh to a a date to be determined in April of 2026. >> Is there a second? >> I second the motion. >> All in favor?
>> I thank you very much. >> Thanks, Bob. We'll look forward to seeing you then. >> Uh next up is a notice of intent for 46 Riverside Street, TP file number 14-1440. The applicants are Adam Wood and Genevie
Fiorente. Uh the applicants have requested to continue to the hearing until our next meeting which will be on October 9th, 2025. Um any comment on that, Emily, or we just want to
>> um they have gone ahead and hired an attorney, which is the reason for the continuation. So we've been in touch with town council, so they're working together, town council and their attorney, which is the reason for the continuation. >> Okay. Uh, so someone can make a motion to continue to October 9th. We will do.
[Music] >> I make a motion to continue the hearing for 46 Riverside Drive, D file number 14-1440 to October 9th, 2025. >> Sure. Is there a second?
>> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Uh, next up is a request for certificate of compliance for 30 Water Street D file number 14-1420. The applicant is 30 Water Street Trust
and the trustee would be Anthony Cerulo and Bill Nichols I hear I see is here to represent. >> Right. Uh, this is I'm Bill Manuel wetlands and land management. This a very simple the first matter is very simple and uh last year the commission issued an order of conditions to do a
small addition at the restaurant. Uh they've uh project has been redirected and they will no longer do that uh addition. It has been recorded at the registry of deeds. So we need a certificate of compliance to uh record that against the original order. No work
has been started and so uh we're just asking you to uh close the project out. That's it. And Emily, someone's been to to see the site. >> There's the work isn't there. Okay. Good. >> There. Any questions? Mike, anything
questions? >> Uh, no. No. >> Lorraine, >> questions. >> Mary? >> No, I'm good. >> Oh, good. It's easy. Okay. So, make a motion. We'll issue this. >> I'll make a motion. Make a motion to issue a certificate of compliance for 30
Water Street D number 14-1420. >> I second the motion. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> I. >> Uh, next up is a request for determination of applicability for 30 Water Street RDA filed number 2025-04.
The applicant is 30 Water Street uh nominee trust and Anthony Cerillo is the trustee. And once again, Bill Manuel is here. Yes, Bill Emanuel from Wetlands and Land Management. And so again, this is a fairly simple uh project. We're
looking for a negative determination to install a new gas service from the street uh into the existing kitchen. Uh this is the work that has not been done. You just closed it out. Uh the the project been has been redirected to a a
renovation of the kitchen. It requires upgrade of the existing gas service to the property. Uh this would involve cutting a trench through uh the existing pavement and then uh excavating 3 to 5 ft down.
Uh anything that's excavated out is going to be directly live loaded onto a truck and uh the gas service will be installed. They'll be back filled with sand and the pavement will be patched. That's the extent of the project. probably should take a half a day, a
day's work, a day's work. So, um the project uh there is bank uh seaw wall bank here, but it's outside of the buffer zone to the bank. There is flood zone mapped on the property. Uh but, uh this gas service is not in the flood
zone according to the way the according to the FEMA map. The entire property is in riverfront area. But uh these this activity falls under the riverfront area exemptions um really in two uh two areas. One, it's
a parking lot uh that was created prior to 1996. So work on parking lots is exempt. And secondly, it's a utility that was in place prior to 1996. So u they're just replacing upgrading that utility that's been there. So um
nevertheless, conditions don't change. It's pavement now. or they're going to cut a trench, install a pipe, and then uh it'll be pavement when it's done. So, we're seeking a negative determination. >> So, my understanding, Bill, this is outside of our jurisdictional
boundaries. >> Well, I'm not sure the town provides the town bylaw doesn't provide the same exemptions from riverfront area as the wetlands protection act. So, uh, even though we have a state exemption, uh, we still need action under the town,
but it's just as easy to make sure we get a negative determination under the act and the bylaw >> and the the swirly line around the the the work area. That is that's >> that's just to draw your eye to this area of the plan.
>> Is there any erosion control to be set up? >> Good question. Uh I do show a line of uh you know a straw waddle that can be deployed during the uh excavation work >> and the restaurant's closed now right so
there's no traffic going in now that's questions I have Mike >> yeah just a few so Bill u can you just show me the the line's going to be coming in off water street >> that's right So
will there be work done in the street and if so I mean how does that work? I is there like someone from the gas company has to be there when you open up do you have to open up the street? >> Well go ahead Bill. >> Bill. Hi Bill.
>> All the work excavating is going to be in the sidewalk through the parking lot. >> It could be closer to the microphone. >> Gas company's going to be doing all the work. We're just here for formality to give them the certificate. So then they're going to follow through with their environmental group too.
>> I suspect you're the one who's doing the kitchen over and determine that it's necessary to increase the gas. >> I'm the one with the headache. >> I see it as necessary work. Yeah. >> Yeah. Right now it's it's sort of undersized to what we're going to be putting into this the building. So
>> good. Thank you. That's all I had. >> Okay. >> Lorraine, any questions? >> No. Mary? No. >> Uh, is there any questions or comments from the public? >> Um, okay.
And this seems like a a no-brainer. Let's say go ahead and get your work done. If someone can make a motion, we'll uh >> I'll make a motion that we issue a negative determination of applicability for 30 Water Street DCC file number
2025-04 um with the uh usual uh conditions and that uh any environmental uh wall as you said the waddles uh be used uh to protect uh protect the waterway. Okay, that's it.
>> I second the motion. >> Oh, sorry. You got to just I just had a brain. >> Yeah. >> Oh, sorry about that. >> Is that a public hearing? We were supposed to close. >> Um, determinations aren't necessarily public hearing, so it's up to you. >> All right. So, we don't Okay. So, the second's been made. >> All in favor?
>> I >> I >> I >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Are you close? Are you closed now? Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you have to get reopened. That's why we explain >> the gas. >> All right. So, next up is a notice of
intent for 11:15,49 and 55 >> Newbury Street. >> Tony D file number 14-1444. The applicant is Costco Wholesale. And
are they presenting online, Emily, or >> I do not have anyone waiting online. Um, email correspondents up until 3 3:30 this afternoon. They were going to be here. Um,
yeah. So, we know what they're doing there. They're tearing down. Thank god it's Fridays. They're tearing down the hard cover. >> Yeah. But they al want to add on to the existing building. That's what this is about. >> No, aren't they increasing? >> I'll just I'll take a quick quick walk
through and see if they're in a different room in the senior center. I'll be right back. >> Yeah. up. >> This is the one we went out and looked at the uh wetland. >> There was an order of conditions. >> They hadn't maintained it. I think it's part of >> it hadn't been maintained. >> They were in the hallway. They're coming
in. >> I think we let them see on that. >> Sorry. The first night just went through very quickly. Sweet. >> The guys said they >> just get the plan queued up for you. >> We work the infrastructure. Yeah.
Can you just let us know who you are and >> Sure. Um, for the record, my name is Joseph Orzel. I'm a wetland scientist with Lucas Environmental. Um, also here tonight is April Fero who is a professional engineer. >> Speak up a little bit, please.
>> Is this on or not? >> Nice. >> April Fero, who is a professional engineer, uh, with R.J. Oonnell, uh, who they did the engineering for the project. Um, the property we're looking at is the
Costco, um, warehouse. uh building located uh at Newbury Street. Uh the parcels of land that are involved are 11:15 and 49 to55 Newbury Street.
that includes the uh large parcel where the Costco uh building is located, the former uh TGI Fridays uh location here, and uh the location of the former uh
Heartscape restaurant, which was uh in this area here. Uh, as you're probably aware, a notice of intent was u uh submitted last year for work on a portion of this property. Uh, and that was for a uh fueling
station uh on the former TGI Friday's property and that is outlined in red uh on the uh on the figure uh on the on the board. Um, no aspect of that project is being changed. Um it is still proposed as it
was approved by the conservation commission last year. The new project uh ties in uh with that project but uh does not change it in any way. Um the resource areas that are present on
the property um include riverfront area, land underwater bodies and waterways uh bordering vegetated wetland and inland bank. Uh most of these areas were previously approved under the previous filing. Um
the wetlands are located along uh Crane River. Um riverfront area extends here and here. A portion of the property uh was not previously delineated. And that's the area um to the bottom of the plan
showing on this figure located between the Costco property and I 95. that was delineated uh earlier this year in June and it consists of inland bank and fringes of bordering vegetated
wetland. Uh those were flagged with flags uh labeled E1 through E44. Uh and they uh extend a buffer zone onto the property 100T buffer zone uh as well as the local uh 35 and 50 foot um
noticed urban no build zones. >> Excuse me for one second. >> Yep. The green dash line, that's the border of the wetlands. >> It is correct. >> And the red dash line is the >> red is 35. Orange is 50. Yellow is 100.
>> I don't I only see the red. I don't even see an orange or >> I see the orange down below. >> Orange here. >> Oh, right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And the yellow is the >> yellow's above it here. Green is yellow. >> All right. Nice. Thank you.
Uh if you switch um to the uh other the next slide um that identifies the uh the parcels. Um the uh work that is being proposed is
essentially um entirely within it is entirely within developed uh riverfront area or any of the work within the resource area is developed uh and essentially completely degraded by impervious surfaces. Uh what is being proposed at this time
uh is parking lot expansion. And if you can go to uh the third page, um parking lot expansion uh on the lot that was formerly hardcover restaurant. Uh that work is entirely outside of any resource area or any buffer zone. Um
there is uh construction of additions uh onto the existing uh warehouse building and one on the north end and one on the south end. Um these are approximately
12,300 square ft uh on the south end and 20,000 ft on the north end. Um these are uh partially within the 100 foot buffer zone as you can see on this slide. And if you go to the next slide, it shows the uh the opposite side of the
building. And the shaded area is the proposed uh expansion of the of the building. Um and you can see the the buffer zones um at the bottom of the of the plan.
Uh all of that uh uh work on the additions is within uh previously developed, previously degraded uh areas uh and uh uh in fact the previously paved areas existing conditions are pa is paved.
Um other work uh involves the reconfiguration of the parking lots. Um some of that is again within the buffer zone and the uh 20 or 35 and 50 foot
setbacks uh as can be seen on this plan. Um the limit of work is this pink line and the uh work some of the work is within the uh setbacks but that only involves
um repaving of existing parking lot area. there's no expansion within those areas. Um the uh storm water system is being upgraded with a larger pipe and that work will connect to the existing outlet
at the exist the same existing elevation as the uh current u outlet. This is a storm water u basin here discharging to a storm water basin. uh that new work within the storm water
basin or new uh disturbance within the storm water basin is about 190 square ft. Um that does not u get added to the totals for disturbance within than a riverfront area because it is a uh uh
storm water management uh uh structure. Overall um with regard to regulatory compliance uh the project meets redevelopment regulations under the wellness protection act and results in a net
reduction of approximately 3,000 square ft of degraded area within the riverfront area. Uh the applicant has submitted an uh alternatives analysis for the work on the construction of the building
additions desri describing why alternative locations uh are not uh uh possible. A waiver request has been submitted under the bylaw for construction of a portion of the building within the 50oot no build buffer.
>> Could you just show us on the drawing where the the area that you're requesting a waiver is? >> Yes. Um that would be on right in here. Unfortunately, very building addition
within the 50oot no build which is currently pavement. And if you go to the um uh plan before the preceding one, same situation here. This section of the building is within the no build and
again on existing pavement. >> So the the shaded portion of this drawing is is new construction. >> The shaded portion is the new construction. >> To the right of it is the existing building. >> Correct. >> More or less moving the front of the building out by >> it's the side the sides of the building.
Correct. Y. >> Where's the entrance that you walk in right now? >> Um I'm not know where that is. Yep. Yeah. >> Um, so the main entry right now is uh in here. >> Okay. >> This is the tire center right now.
>> Um, so the main entry and they're actually going to flip that with this development. So the main entry will now be up here. >> Um, and they'll have the tire center down here. That's what these little >> B. Okay. But it's it is that wall that's kind of moving out. >> Yes.
>> Okay. >> And on the other side it's the loading dock area. Yeah. So >> yes, >> on the opposite end of the building, >> right? >> Right. Sorry. Yeah. So right right now the loading dock is here. The trucks line up this way.
>> Um and now they're going to be coming in this way. >> Right. So the building is the same thing. You're expanding the building out by certain number of people >> on both sides. Correct. What's the reason for that? Um I well part of the reason for the the
one in the front I know was they wanted to actually have the main entry closer to um Route One uh and have the parking so that it was more contained in that kind of swath um for people to have easier access to
get in and out of there. Um this I think is more of a I I don't You're just adding more square footage, but for what reason? Let's see. Yeah, they um Costco was looking to
reconfigure uh the loading areas for some of the uh the delivery trucks coming in, getting better uh access here and here rather than here. Um, and they wanted to reconfigure. They
needed to reconfigure some of their mechanical spaces inside is my understanding of what >> Okay. >> Is for that. >> And where's the parking lot going to be uh in relation to that? >> The So, the parking is there's going to
be some parking here. >> Um, and if you actually um Emily, if you could actually go to the other sheet. >> Sure. just because it's an overview sheet that shows everything. Yeah. Standard. Sorry. >> Um so here's the two building
expansions. Um the new parking, there's parking here. There's existing parking here now. Um but this is just getting reconfigured a little bit. >> Oh, when you come in now, I used to be a member of Costco, but when you come in, the parking is all towards the top there, >> right? So this is the main entry in from
Route One here. >> Yeah. Um, and right now it comes in and um, you can park here and there's parking here. The gas station, the existing gas station is right here. >> Um, the hard cover building is right here.
>> And is the gas station getting moved? >> Yes. So last year, that was that was what that was for. So they're picking it up from here and they're moving it to this end over here. >> And where you removing the gas station is going to be parking. Correct. Yeah.
So, this this right here is where the existing gas station is right now. >> So, they're going to park that. >> So, was the overall scheme was to move the gas station to increase more parking for the Costco? >> Correct. Yes. And get and get that
parking closer to the main entry. >> Thank you. >> Sure. Uh Emily, are there the uh the gas station uh demolition and the hard cover
demolition? Are they >> part of this project or is this project confined to just the building? >> That is part of this the um I mean like they said earlier the hard cover that building itself is outside of the jurisdictional resource area that already got site plan site plan
approval. Um, so this is primarily approval for the two building expansions that are within our jurisdiction. Please correct me if I'm speaking out of line here. Um, and part the gas station removal or demo and demo of the hard cover is just part of this larger full
approval process. >> Am I right that all the work is being done on existing impervious? >> 100%. >> All all of it. >> Yep. >> And the applicants can speak to that. Didn't I I read somewhere that the impervious was going to be decreased by a certain amount? >> Decreasing 3,000 square feet.
>> Where is that decrease coming from? >> That would be >> Yeah, we'd like to know that. >> Um, so a lot of it is comes from these new islands. So right now in the back of
this area of Pusco, this is all pavement. There's there's no green space back here. Um so a lot of it comes from there. Um a lot of it comes from adding wider islands in here. Um >> so what's it when you reduce the
impervious what takes what's taking its place? Is there plantings or something? >> Oh yeah yeah yeah. These all these islands are going to be landscaped and we have a a planting plan that was also >> seven I think might have a landscape plan. >> Yeah. including is that a mitigation
consideration at Costco or is there is there some business reason for them doing that >> for planting? >> Um that's a good question. I don't I mean I don't 100% know
why they wouldn't plant that area as opposed to >> but the net is that they are decreasing the furious which is >> correct. Yes. >> Um Ted, last year Costco was in here for in
order conditions to to build the gas station. >> Yes. >> Part of that that drainage basin for lack of a better word. >> Yes. >> Uh we was found to be uh less than what we expected and there was some work was going to be done to alleviate that to correct that.
>> Has that been done? >> Yes. >> Yeah. the the basin that you're referring to is the it's the existing basin over here. >> Yeah. Um and that was uh cleaned out. I don't know the date. Um but it was
cleaned out. There was debris in there. I think Emily, you were on site when we were walking around. Um there was some debris there. There was some sediment buildup. and resides >> and that was >> is there a maintenance schedule for that >> there? Yeah, there should be um there
should have been originally and there is one as part of >> I think there was one originally if I remember when we went out the the area that had was under a previous order of conditions had been neglected. Yes. >> And it was a question of whether we were going to make you go in and clean it all out or if it would be better to sort of
leave it where it was. Right. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. So what's become of that? It's I think she just said that they >> they're maintaining it. >> They're Yeah, they're they're maintaining it at this point. Yeah. >> And about the parking, if you don't
mind, um Peter, I just want to ask it. >> Um with additional parking, are you are you increasing the drainage? >> Yeah. Well, we are um we're improving the drainage from what it is. I mean, existing there's existing drainage out
there. Um, as y'all are probably aware, um, there's catch basins and things like that and everything kind of runs from globally from the left side to this uh, basin here, >> right? Um, so with our new layout, we're
we're adding in some additional catch basins and uh, some water quality units. So everything is all of our new um, piping and stuff. Actually, Emily, if you switch to the other sheet, please.
Yeah. So, the the orange the orange lines here are the new piping and the the purple here, this is all existing. Um, so all of our orange lines, um, everything that we're putting in is
going to run through, um, a CDS unit, which is a water quality unit, before getting back into the existing drain line, which we're going to maintain. Um, and it all runs and discharges into this storm water basin in different existing
flared ends. There's one, two, three, four, there's five different flared ends in here that exist um that take drainage from, you know, different portions of the site um and those are getting maintained. So, we are we're adding
additional treatment to what's out there. And we're also adding um we were able to fit a infiltration system up in that area, which we didn't have before. When we came here before, we just had a detention system. Um but given the new layout, we're we were able to get some
infiltration in there which will um >> Is that because there's an increase in runoff or is it >> No, no, there's not an increase in runoff because there's less impervious area. Yeah. So, um there's slightly less uh there's also
with that with that decrease, there's also slightly less um of uh there's excuse me, there's slightly more infiltration into the ground just because there's more pvious area than impervious area on site. Um
but this was just something that allowed us to to provide more just above that. Um it is also being incorporated into the system to help with the management of that but um it provides additional benefits just on its own. Um so we are
doing all that and the existing no the proposed um fuel facility which which we came here last year for this is as Joe mentioned going to be the same as it was last year. So we have the same basins
and oil stop valves and um treatment going on in here that we did before before any of that storm water can leave. >> Thank you. >> Sure. >> Okay. L the rain. Any questions? None. >> Mary, >> I
>> um what is the timing on this project? >> Uh more specifically, is the construction on the the existing building going to be done concurrently with the construction the demolition of the existing gas station and the demolition of high covers and the
demolition of Fridays? Uh the reason I ask is there's there's all kinds of upheaval, you know, excavation and demolition debris and all. I'm just concerned about material getting into the wetlands. So I guess I need to know what your timing is for.
>> What's the order of the work? >> Yeah. Right. >> You actually >> I'm I'm looking if I have it. Yeah. >> Okay. Um I know I don't know 100% the timing. I do know that they their priority is to demo the buildings so
that they don't have vacant buildings on site. Um they were also considering just um doing the buildings themselves and not doing the work around it yet until we get all our permitting and then we can start in on everything and phase it
together. Um, but at a minimum, I know they do want to do the buildings, but you don't have to rip up the ground for that >> for the demolitions. >> But the demolition of just the buildings, >> they still is debris material that can get to the wetlands. So I I just want to
make sure that that is, you know, >> right up pretty >> Yeah. If they did that, then I mean, and they were doing it just isolated, we could definitely have, you know, erosion control around that. Um, >> you don't you don't know that at the moment?
>> Yeah, >> I don't know. Um, I can't find out though. >> So, would they be removing as you demolish? Are you removing you? >> I believe so. There's not really I mean they they wouldn't be able to store it on site and and use it for anything. So,
um, that would be >> Could you come back to us with a a construction demolition construction schedule and some more definitive uh outlines of the the erosion control? Yeah, I mean we do have an an overall
erosion control plan that shows where we would have um you know filter bags and we'll be surrounding the area with um with filter sock um along the edges and we have a couple of areas uh lined up to
be uh sediment basins. So we have a couple of those uh kind of lined up as to where they could go. Um I do believe >> that was all part of the first >> and that was all part of this submitt those should there's demo and erosion control plans that were part of the package >> right
>> that show it for the entire site. >> So Emily, am I chasing a ghost or is this all been highlighted already? It's all >> Yeah, it's we didn't get the exact timeline on everything but the erosion controls are all there. The demolition plan is all there. um engineering has is
in the process of reviewing it. It's already gotten site plan approval from um the planning board as well. >> So you as the professional are comfortable with their plans? >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Thanks. Uh is there any
questions from the public? Any comments? >> None from our public representative. Okay. >> Uh okay board. Does anyone have any reservations or let us proceed or now is your time to
speak? >> No, I mean where where it's all already imper, you know, if it wasn't I I'd have more concerns, >> right? It's in that improvement, >> but they do say they're going to de demolish before they really start the real work. You're going to remove those two buildings.
>> That's the attention. Yes. >> Is this this isn't something where we need someone on site, is it? Um once this gets approval, this will be one of the sites that we go out to probably once a week, maybe every other week as we're making the rounds for regular site visits to just pop in and then we would
just ask if there's any concerns or anything comes up um as part of the order of conditions to just please notify us right away, too. But it will be part of our regular um regular route, too. >> All right. Um are you looking to continue? >> No, I don't see I don't think we've got
any answers to our questions. >> I think so. All >> right. So, everybody's good. Someone can make a motion. >> I think so. I think Phil has a hand up. >> Oh, go ahead.
>> He doesn't have his father to walk. >> Yeah, they took a roll away from the end of this >> and I appreciate that. Three votes. >> Bill Brad Street town meeting member precinct one. As far as the demolition of the buildings,
there's above ground building and below ground. I can understand above ground is destroyed put in a truck and hauled away. What about underground basement so to speak? Is that going to allow
contaminants to get into the ground and perhaps migrate to the wetland area or not? Well, is that you mean like are there fuel tanks down there or something? >> Anything? Wastewater fuel tanks? I I don't know. Is there a septic system?
Are they tied into the town or do they have septic tanks that could be disrupted dis disrupted by the demolition of the building? >> I I do not know if the building is on septic to be I can ask um the board of health. That's out of my perview. I
don't know if it's on septic. >> That would be again that would only be my concern. I understand what what they want to do, but I would be I would be concerned that this demolition project above ground is one thing. If it includes demolition below ground, what
happens with that debris? And is there a possibility of some liquid in the basement migrating someplace where it shouldn't be? >> Well, that could be a condition. >> That would be that that's me. That would
be my concern. I'm not in the board. >> Mark, that in response to your question though, my my thought is in aren't the engineering, storm water studies, and just the engineering approval of this plan? >> Yes, it includes all of that. Yeah, the the storm water permit engineering, all
of that includes reviewing all of this to make sure that everything is done appropriately and there aren't any spills or that that everything is covered. That's that's part of the process with the engine. >> Thank you. Sure. >> I'm glad to hear it. >> Yes. >> And did you have a additional comment. >> Oh, uh, I was just going to say that the
there's, uh, >> go to the mic. Have to go to the mic. >> Sorry. None of these properties are on septic. They're all on sewer. >> Thank you. >> And are there oil tanks, storage? >> Well, it's going to be storage for the gas.
>> G, is it gas everything on gas >> or is it >> There There is gas on site. Um, there are gas lines. Um, so those are going to be decommissioned. Uh, so I do not believe that there's like propane tanks or anything.
>> No 250 gallon oil tank. Uh, >> right. No, I there's I don't believe so. Um, and I I believe that one I don't want to speak too out of turn. I believe one building might have a basement and the other one doesn't. The other one
only has a crawl space. Mhm. >> Um but yes, but all the all the demolition would only be on the two buildings um the hard cover and
>> the existing gas station with its buried tanks. What are they 2500gallon tanks? Uh there's got to be protocols for removing those now. >> Yeah. Yeah, they're Yes, they are underground and they are very large.
Um, and there are very specific protocols to install them and remove them. Um, and I do not know what those are. Um, that's not the kind of engineering I do, but uh, but yes, they're they're very big and they have their own set of of that go along with them.
>> As long as all the other boards are doing their part. I mean, from the wetlands, I think we're we're doing the right things. >> So, I would I would support this. >> Um, Lorraine and other comments. No, >> I I like your summary. I thought that
that was excellent. It helped a lot. So, thank you. >> Thank you, >> Mary. >> I'm good. >> Y >> Okay, so we have to vote on three different items. The first we need to uh need a motion to close the public hearing. I make a motion to close the public
hearing for 11:15 and 49 to 55 Newberry Street D number 14-1444. I second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Next we need a motion to grant a waiver.
>> Waivers on both. >> Is it one waiver for both? >> One. Yep. One waiver to do the work in the 50 as um as shown on the approved plan. And >> that's just to work within it. It's not building with >> Right. Right. >> I I make a motion that we grant a
waiver. >> Well, what what is this? Um >> right here. My >> Yeah, >> we got a number. Oh, yeah. D file number 14-1444 to allow work uh in the 50oot no build
zone. Uh and that's all just in the 50 foot, isn't it? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. uh for 11:15 and 49-55 Newbury Street. >> I'll second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I
>> Okay. And lastly, we just need a motion to grant an order of conditions. >> Um I'll make a motion to grant an order of conditions for 11:15 and 49 to 55 Newberry Street D number 14-1444 with additional discussions as
discussed. I second the motion. >> Were there any additional I don't think there were no >> there were none that were discussed. >> Well, you'll get notified before the work starts. We need to make that a condition or >> that's all part of our stock conditions. So, y
>> Okay. So, the motion's been made and seconded. All in favor? >> I don't look forward to a new and improved Costco. Uh, okay. New or old, old old or new business. Uh, first item is the minutes
from our September 11th meeting for rather extensive. So, >> thank you. >> Thanks to whoever transcribed all that. >> That was me. So, you're welcome. >> Rockstar. >> Yeah, sure. >> I did them while they were fresh in my
head. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> So long. >> Uh, so someone can make a motion. will accept those minutes unless there's any comment. >> I make a motion we accept the minutes for the uh September 11th, 2025 conservation commission meeting.
>> I second the motion. >> All in favor? >> I >> Is there any other news, Emily? >> Um I have a potential new member that's going to be coming in to meet with myself and Brian Zelli on Tuesday afternoon. Um so we will hopefully that will work out. So be meeting with him
and we are keeping the word out too that um that we have. >> What do you know about the member the proposed member? >> He is also on the um it's not the river committee uh rail trail committee. >> Oh that's good. Yeah.
>> And uh you mentioned uh one of uh the one that got continued they're hiring a lawyer. >> Yes. >> Yeah. And this is on the issue on >> the length of the >> length of the pier. Now, we don't currently have uh you were going to
check whether we in other words, do we have to create a a a bylaw that that limits the length or do we already have uh the permission to uh deny for a
a pier where it looks to go into permanent water, >> right? So, we don't have anything that has a set length to it. Um, we do have the the peer regulations as part of the bylaw. Um, >> but I asked you last time if you could check with council to see if you know,
we're free to say no, we think we don't want a pier going into permanent water. Their argument is you you allowed it before. >> So, that's what council is working on right now. >> Yeah. So, they are >> Yes. Yep. Yeah. I met with council on Tuesday afternoon. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yep. So they're she's very involved in everything. >> Well, the harbor master expressed concerns, you know, and >> we seem to be doing a lot more of these now >> than ever before. >> I was just concerned about what the guidelines are to know like do we have
the right to do that or not. >> That's we're working with town to get that exact answer because we do have like the the violence protection act and the the regulations and the ballots and that's kind of our >> our lane that we stay. Yes. Our domain. Yeah. >> So we haven't Sorry, Mike.
>> We haven't adjourned yet. >> No. >> So, uh, when we to discuss something like this, uh, it's not during the length, it's not during the course of the hearing. >> How, how much latitude do we have to do that or
>> I mean, the meeting is still open. It's still public. Um, I would say for now it's I think we should sit tight until I get some more feedback from council and then um once I have some more information then we can have that as part of the older new business. >> Yeah, we need the information. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. Yep. >> Okay.
>> Emily, could you dig up minutes from when we approved uh probably the peers on either side of that >> specifically? I'm interested in that the long I think it's 40 Riverside. >> Yep. Absolutely. I just want to see what
our thought process was. >> We'll look at the minutes. Yeah. >> Yep. I can send those over. No problem. >> Okay. All right. >> Good. Well, thank you all. So, if someone make a motion, we can adjourn. >> I'll make a motion to adjourn. >> I second the motion. >> All in favor? >> I.
>> Okay. Thank you all. >> How was your cross country? >> Great. >> Yeah. How long did it take? >> Um, we took five days.