Good. >> Yes, it is what it is. But I was I was a little relieved. >> Yeah. >> And this is the one that I used to introduce, right? >> No, that's just engineering comments. >> All right.
I think you gave it to me, right? >> Yes. >> Which one is the same university? Just read the applicant name. >> All right. I thought there was like another sheet with the like which schedule. >> Oh, the agenda.
>> Yeah, >> this one. >> Yep. >> Okay. Yeah, I knew I had it off. >> Very handy in >> Okay. >> Followed with with the uh the memo. She'll go through and she tells you
about >> check >> she just lists the votes that we have to do. >> So comes Frank if you just go down that list. You're not going to miss one. I a lot of times I usually miss those in public hearings. But you know now she
has every vote listed in there. >> Everything's good. Just wait. >> How come I can hear you? Oh, wait. >> I think this one tonight. >> Wait, why can I still >> I want to go see. >> Hold on. I think I fixed it.
>> Wait. No. Why is sound coming through my laptop? >> Did you just push something? >> I just turned off mine cuz I bet it was picking up mine. >> Okay, >> I'm going to turn it back on again. Just >> I'm right with you. >> Check check.
>> Yeah, that's mine. Okay, I'll fix that up. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Okay. And as long as these pick up everything and sound is recording, then >> Okay. Okay. Will you just give us the thumbs up when you're ready and then we can get started.
>> Great. Thank you. Right. So, one sec, Mary. As soon as he gives us the go. >> All right. >> Okay. Welcome to the Danvers Conservation Commission meeting. Date March 18th, 2026.
>> The 26th. Oh, >> what is it? March 26th. >> Oh, 26. >> That's okay. March 26. Sorry. >> Okay. We operate under the Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 13. >> Is that better?
>> Yes. >> I can also speak up. We operate under the Massachusetts General Law, chapter 131, section 40 of the wetlands protection act and chapters 26
of the town of Danver's general bylaw, the wetlands protection bylaw. After the applicant presents his or her request and the board has had time to ask questions and discuss the project, we will accept questions from the audience. Because this is a public meeting, it is
required by law that you give your name and address first. Although we may disagree on the issues raised, all persons present during this meeting are expected to be civil to all other meeting attendees. This includes members of the commission staff, abutters,
concerned citizens, and property owners and project applicants. We also request that you confine your questions to the project and only as it pertains to the wetlands act. We cannot handle nor do we have jurisdiction regarding things such
as noise or traffic. All problems not related to the wetlands protection act and the town of Danver's wetlands protection bylaw must be taken up with other boards. My name is Mary Height and I'm present.
Is Lorraine Drapeek here? She's not here. Is Paul McNelte here? >> Present. >> Michael Splain. He's not here. And Peter Wilson >> present. >> All right. So, let's do our first agenda
item. Uh the first notice on our um meeting today is notice of intent 310 CMR 10.054 96 to98 Newberry Street D file number
14-1449. The applicant is Steven Tedesco Tamar Properties LLC. You don't have to. Good evening. For the record, John Morren from the Morren Cameron Group. We're here tonight representing T-M Properties for a notice of intent
application for the property located at 9698 uh Newbury Street. Probably the best sheet to start off with, Emily, is probably We can go right to sheet five, I think. Okay, one second. >> So, as stated in the notice or actually
in the uh notice that was read, we did receive a D file number. D did not have any comments uh proposed work within the buffer zone. So, what you see there is the back side of the property. So, this development is an
existing mobile home park on Route One and they're looking at expanding at the rear of the property. So, the wetlands are located at the very back or the westerly side of the property. What you see on the screen, the green is the actual wetland edge. Yellow is the BVW.
>> One second. Sorry. >> Okay. I'm sorry. The screen's going in and out a little bit there. Sorry. Go on. >> No worries. So the yellow is the limit of the 100 foot buffer zone. So you can see about 80% of the project is actually outside the buffer zone. We do have some
work. So work within the buffer zone proposed includes the expansion of an existing paved driveway. I'm just going to take a walk over to the screen for a second. I can project pretty loud. So if you can't hear me, I can speak up instead of standing at the microphone.
But we're looking at again the green is the edge of the wetland. The yellow is the 100 foot buffer zone. So the commission has jurisdiction from that green line out to that yellow line. The red is the 35 ft no disturb. The orange is the 50ft no build.
So what we're proposing is we're expanding an existing paved road that currently runs back here. This paved road actually starts heading out to center street. that it turns into gravel. Uh we're proposing one mobile home
within the buffer zone and a portion of another mobile home. We've got some drainage structures in there. Um Dan's Electric requested that we install five new utility poles to service this facility. Four of those poles are actually in the buffer zone and they're
located right along here with the last pole over there. turn. >> Uh we do have a water main that's going in that's being extended. Uh we do have some sore m uh sore manhole and some sore services that are within the buffer zone.
>> Uh but the majority of the work that's in the buffer zone that you can see here is the actual drainage system. >> As you know, under your regulations, uh the commission is allowed to grant relief to allow drainage structures in the 35 to 50 no build. Uh if those drone
drainage structures are designed in accordance with the storm water standards, these drainage facilities are designed in accordance with the storm water standards, the mass standards, as well as the town of Danver's standards. Uh we've been in front of the planning board for site plan review. So Danver's
engineering has already reviewed the drainage system and has signed off on it. Uh we are required to submit a storm water permit that'll actually be submitted tomorrow. But again, the actual drainage systems already been approved. The storm water permit's
really a um a formality at this point. Everything's been submitted and reviewed. Uh we also need a water and store permit. That won't be done until they're ready to start construction. So, we don't need to file for that yet.
>> I'm so sorry that the screen >> Oh, back up. >> Keep going and out like that. I apologize. So again, the majority of work that's within the um commission's jurisdiction is the drainage system, you know,
detention basins, for bays, uh all stuff related to storm water mitigation. And again, it's all designed in accordance with the storm water standards. Uh we do have some additional pavement uh in the the no build zone, which is
actually UPS slope. So, as I had mentioned, there's an existing paved driveway or roadway that kind of comes in and wraps around in this location. We're actually adding some pavement to that in the vicinity right in this
>> I'm not touching anything. You guys see it? I know >> right in this corner. And it's actually up slope of the existing page road. So, it's not within um it's not right up against the the 50 foot. It's actually ups slope of existing pavement that is
located in the 50 foot. And that area is only 280 square ft. Um again, we are proposing storm water mitigation in the no build, which is allowed. The commission is allowed to approve that. Uh, however, one of the
criteria is the commission may allow alteration within the no build, but you're only allowed to alter up to 20%. So, in our narrative that was submitted with the notice, we're altering approximately 2,650 square ft of land within the no build,
and that's about 11%. So, we're well below the 20% that the commission may allow. uh as required under your regulations. We did submit the required request for waiver form. Uh it pretty much discusses everything that I just talked about is
within that. Obviously, I'm giving a um kind of a reduced version of what's in the narrative and what's in the uh waiver request form. I'm just trying to hit on the major points right now. Uh other than that, it's a pretty straightforward application.
uh one of the sheets you'll notice I think it's page uh C5 >> I mean C6 sorry >> sure no problem >> I can zoom in on that if that would help too >> uh C7 we'll go to C7
uh try C4 sorry no that's okay >> I liked it better when I could put boards on a plans on a board right Uh, might be C3. >> Oh, we just lost the screen again. >> Okay, it just came back.
>> How about C2? >> C2. >> Actually, it's C3. It's right there. >> Oh, okay. No problem. >> So, one of the things you'll notice in the notice, it appears this property was developed. There's a lot of young growth. you know, when when we say Young Rose, we're still
talking 30 years ago. You know, this stuff came in, you know, all up against the, you know, in the buffer zone up front. Um, some of the commission members may recall, I believe about 10, 15 years ago, a sewer line was installed out to Senna Street. Um, based on what
we found, there's a lot of just old construction debris and just stuff kind of all throughout the buffer zone. Um what we're proposing as part of the application is we're going to clean that up and we'll be putting down a seed mix
in that area. The detention basins are both designed with a seed mix. Um and then the areas around the basins also have a separate seed mix. Uh the wetlands were delineated by D. Rosa Environmental out of Rowley. Uh
they based it on soils and vegetation. and I'd be happy to answer any questions. >> Thank you so much, John. Uh, let's see. Uh, Peter, do you have any questions? >> Yeah, just um could you orientate me to
where we are? I mean, you center street. Is that going off? >> Yeah, if you want to go to sheet one, that's probably going to be the best. >> So, based on this, this is the site right here. This is the existing mobile home park right here. This is the proposed
expansion. This is Route One. >> Route one, >> center street right here. So, you know, um, again, here's the entrance to the park right here. Here's the expansion. Here's the commission's 100 foot setback. So, this area right here is what's in the commission's
jurisdiction. We are proposing there's an existing gravel road that heads up to center street that'll be um designated as a fire access road only. Uh the fire department asked that we designate that officially as emergency access only
which was done. It will be gated. Um pretty much that entire uh construction of that access road is outside the commission's jurisdiction as you can see. You're adding how many uh sites? >> Uh can you go to page five again? That's
probably going to be the quickest. >> Sure. >> I think it's 26 actually. I can't read it. >> But only one is within our jurisdiction. >> One and a half. >> One and a half. >> So most of the work within our jurisdiction is drainage type work.
>> Exactly. Lots of excavation and moving material around. >> Yep. We're taking advantage of the existing topography. You know, the whole site slopes from pretty much from here back. So, obviously to capture the drainage, we're getting to the lowest
point. So, that's why really the drainage can't go anywhere else because it needs to be at the low point so everything can flow by gravity. Yeah, it looks like 24 new units. And like I said, this one is in the commission's jurisdiction and then half
of this one. That's an existing unit right there. >> And all the existing are pretty much outside of our jurisdiction >> pretty much. You got one of them that's a little bit This is an existing one here. These are all existing all along here. So these units are all in the commission's jurisdiction. This wetland
actually creeps this way and then heads back down um away from the site. >> Okay. Where where are you at with the planning board on this >> planning board were all set. So planning board all we needed was site plan review. We actually had to start with
zoning board. Uh zoning board gave their approval about a year year and a half ago. Uh planning board approved site plan review I think about a month ago. And what we wanted to do is we didn't want to come before your board until we
had planning board approval. >> Okay. Thanks, >> Paul. Do you have any questions? >> Yeah. So, I know I have I have a couple questions. Um, so first of all, in the area that's um Palm, you know who I am. Um, the the green down to the red from the satellite views that I've looked at, there's a tremendous amount of
vegetation in there. Is that going to be replaced? I was unclear what you're going to be doing with the vegetation. So you talking about from the wetland out to the 35 ft >> in that r in that exact rain relative that area relatively that area. >> We're not doing we're not touching anything in the 35 ft no disturb.
>> The only thing we'll be doing is there is old debris like a lot of some concrete and some other debris that's out there and there's some trash out there. We're going to clean that up but we're not doing any vegetation removal in that 25 in that zero to 35.
>> That's between the red It's just hard to read it from here. That's between the red line. >> Exactly. So >> orange line. >> Yep. So this line right here. >> Yeah. Oh, there we go. Thank you. >> We're not doing any work in there. >> Again, we're not doing any vegetation removal. The only thing we'll be doing
is cleaning it up. >> Um and then the second question is when you present it to the planning board and I know that that their jurisdiction is not conservation wetlands. Why why did you why are they why are you proposing building in the buffer zone?
>> The proposal in the buffer zone again is >> one and a half I mean it's one that was one and a half units that are there >> just first that it complies your regulation we meet the no build zone so we're allowed to put those units there under your regulations. So that's one of
the main reasons and we did a lot of work um trying to keep everything as far out of the buffer. We made some agreements with some of the neighbors which actually pushed everything back in one direction and that kind of changed some of the the orientation of the
units. But again, those two units that are within your jurisdiction comply to your regulations. >> Is that the case, Peter? I'm just I'm just new enough. >> Yes. With the um with the waiver that's requested, it's it's in compliance. >> So, the units don't need the waiver. >> But it's at our discretion. We are not
obligated to grant that waiver. >> No. It's not it's not a right. >> That's right. >> It's a It's our discretion whether to allow a building within that or not. >> And it's 11% right. >> We're not requesting a waiver for the
buildings. The waiver is requesting for the >> drains. My misspeaking there. Yeah. My apologies on that. >> Yeah. So the waiver is under your regulations the commission including storm water. They don't allow storm water within the
35 to 50 setback. Your regulations do state, however, the commission may allow storm water in that zone. And the criteria is you can only disturb up to 20% of the no disturb within that zone.
So, one of the criteria under your regulations is that if you're doing work in the no disturb and you're requesting a waiver from it, you can't disturb more than 20%. And we're disturbing 11%.
>> But our discretion is we could say you can't disturb 0%. >> Correct. But we're also cleaning up a lot of that buffer zone that's actually between the wetland and the 35. So, it's our belief and in our narrative we spell
it out. The benefit from allowing us to put the storm water there outweighs doing work in the no disturb. And again, the work in the no disturb is 2600 square feet. So you're not looking at a a big area that's
>> I understand all just that we you're not the first person that's come in and said that you know we have the right to do that under regulations >> that's the the the maximum we can allow >> right >> but we could say you can't do anything.
>> Yes. >> So Peter just and I'm sorry but I I'm still a little bit new to this but to address this. So there's I'm still I'm I'm not quite clear why we would approve. I mean because we have the ability to approve those two units, one and a half units, right? Or am I missing
something? Well, >> John is saying, you know, their mitigation is that they're offering to clean up a lot of the the wetlands that has been kind of, you know, >> so that's the the give and the take, >> right? >> And I think the storm water system has already been approved by the city um and
through the engineering, right? >> Yes. Yeah. So, they're upgrading how that is taken care of. >> Yeah. Currently, there's no storm water on the site. >> And I just had a couple questions. The where you're doing the cleanup, um,
could you just show us where that is and how much of the space are you taking down vegetation or trees or you just removing? >> No, there's no vegetation removal. It's all just the removal of debris and there's some trash that's blown into there and it's just been going in there
for years that nobody's taken it out. But the It's like old It's almost like when they built the access road when the sore went in, there's some old concrete that they must have dug up from somewhere. There's piles of concrete out there. So the in the buffer zone and
it's pretty much all it's not one spot. It's kind of all throughout this whole area right in here. And again, there's no vegetation removal in that area. It's all just the removal of material. That's just piles of material that are in there. And then the
trash that's in there as well. >> And then that whole area will be seated where they remove the stuff. >> That may not be fun, but your one of your charts actually says trees and other vegetation to be removed. >> Which
I can't tell. Hold on. That gave you the number here. I can't tell which number it is. Uh, hold on. Where would it be in the chart here? Trying to find it. It would be page looks like well page
two of the drawings. >> Paul, is it the one that you're looking at? >> Say again. >> Is this the correct one? I wish I could find the number on the right number. >> Do you mind? Could I look at your Yeah, fine. Please. >> It's this one here.
>> I have it. >> Ah, got it. >> Paul, I have to bottom. >> Oh, okay. I just want to make sure this >> It's on three >> vegetation. Hold on a second. It's on three. >> Yep. I have one here if you want to take a look. Yeah, trees. Now the vegetation should
be removed. >> Yeah, it's over there. >> Which note? >> Yeah, that's outside the 35 though. The question was, was there any vegetation being removed in the 35 ft no disturb?
And there's no vegetation being removed in the 35 foot no disturb. uh the area where the vegetation's being removed. If you go to page three, I think it was page three. So what this these notes are for is then
if you go to page five, that's the grading for all the storm water that's in there. Obviously, we have to remove vegetation for that. We can't build the drainage and still keep the shrubs and trees in place.
Okay. And that type of work is allowed in the 25 or the 35 to 50 grading, but the storm water requires your relief. Are you guys good or
>> I'm all set? >> Yep. >> All right. I think I'm good, too. Uh, let's see. So, uh, we've asked our questions. Is there anybody here from the public who would like to speak? Um, and if there is,
either here or remotely. >> I do not have any. Um, >> there's two contests. >> Yep. You can just go up and just introduce yourself when you go up and then share. >> Yeah. >> And and just I'm just going to chime in here, Sandra. I do see that you have your hand raised remotely. We're going to go through the people in the audience
first and then um I'll unmute you and you'll be able to speak as well. >> Well, good evening. My name is Jane Thornell, 182 Center Street. I'm an abuter to this project uh that we've been following a number of us abutters have been
following for several years now. Um you know to give you just a little history when we first got our notice that there were a proposed 36 units to be distributed behind all of our homes. Uh
obviously they were stacked like cordwood. Uh, I did my due diligence and went up and down Route One looking at every mobile home park to see because quite frankly I was I was I guess the word is shocked when I went into this
one. They're they're as I say they're stack. I can't even believe that emergency vehicles can access some of these pre-existing um homes. And we have heard that they started in the 1940s well before
anything um you know there were even any regulations but it was unfortunate that during the two years that they were planning this they didn't reach out not to any of the abutters. So that was a really unfortunate start to this whole
project. So we've been to planning after planning after planning. I absolutely applaud anything that you can do to get debris from back there. Uh, as I say, I toured the site before I I before I I was told
it was private, although there still are no signs saying it's private property, but I did tour it. And there's uh, you know, a cleanup is certainly well overdue in this in this area. I just wanted to be 100% sure that I'm
understanding. So that 36 uh despite the fact that all of the abbutas and quite we had we had tenants there as well. Uh the only person that was advocating for an expansion of even
24 units was the owner. Um and I think it's probably still that way. But the point being that one and a half units that's from the your ex the existing 24 that is not an additional
>> unit and a half. Am I correct? >> That's 100% correct. Okay. The unit and a half that are within the commission's jurisdiction are part of the 24 units. >> Are part of the 24 that that everybody but the presenter, the lawyer, and the
owner fought tooth and nail to have that number reduced. Um, okay. the the uh I mean I don't know if anybody has toured this site, but honestly anything that that this commission or any other
commission can do to just get this a a a a better representation for housing in Danvas would be much appreciated not only from the abbutas but certainly from the from the homeowners on the property.
Um that's it. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. Would anybody else like to speak? >> Bill. >> Bill always wants to speak. >> Bill Branch Street, town meeting member,
precinct one. I know it was made very clear at the pri a prior meeting this is private property. So you can't venture on there to see what's going on. My qu a couple of my questions. One, did a surveyor
delineate where the wetlands border is? Is it staked out? And if those are those stakes visible from center straight through the board and if they are that would be nice. the states
left there so that in the future your 35 and 50 are clearly delineated. Uh from the meetings I've attended it's uh looks like trying to put
a lot in a very small area. I would be very concerned if I were a neighbor living on center street also. But again my question is is this of eight? Is it clearly marked? Are those markings
visible from Center Street because you can't go on the property because it's was made clear the other night as I said it's private property. Uh that's it for now. Sometimes Bill when we have a
situation similar to this we are as part of the if we issue an order of conditions will spell out as one of the conditions that they have to have signs every >> so many feet you know that are clearly marking where the wetlands border is >> but the only way to view that would be
to trespass on the property which not supposed I mean private property is private property >> oh it was made very clear the other night that it is private property No trespassing, at least at the open meeting I attended. >> Can I just add something to that?
>> Yeah, just please come up to the microphone. That's all. Thank you. >> So, the wetlands were delineated by a wetland botist. What they do is they hang flags. Those flags are located by our surveyors. We use those locations to design the plan. Uh what uh Peter's
talking about is the Damas Conservation Commission requires if they so are inclined to issue an order of conditions. They will most likely condition that along the limit of work line which is along that 35 foot no disturb. They're going to require
permanent monumentation be installed along that line. Usually it's it might be like a cedar post that has some sort of placard on the top of it. A lot of times they'll do boulders with um they'll epoxy the placard onto
the boulder. Um obviously the wetland flags, you're not going to see them from Center Street. First of all, topography wise, you wouldn't be able to see it. All the vegetation in the way, you wouldn't be able to see them. Uh the conservation commission and or their
agent and any other town uh anyone working for the town has the right to go on the property. So they can view that site. For example, during construction, there'll probably be uh visits by the town for uh for that work. But again, what h usually happens on projects like
this, obviously the wetland flags don't last forever. That's why the commission wants to uh permanently monument that 35- foot no disturb, which is another thing. Right now there is no monumentation on the 35 foot no disturb because there was really no back when
they put that soar in that wasn't a requirement. So, um I'm sure if the commission is inclined to issue an order, there'll be a um condition in the order that's going to require some sort of monumentation along that that line.
>> Hey, Peter, just >> I am a former town employee, but I don't think that qualifies me. Would the only way to view this would be what do they call it? Google map. if if it's private property
that that's up to discussion as the private property owner if they want people on the property or not. Um but as >> was made clear the other night that they don't want trespasses because it is private property. So the only way to view this if you can't from center street would be
be by say Google map uh a picture taken when there's no vegetation alive. So you can see >> that would be an option to if you wanted an aerial view of the property that would be an option. I certainly would like >> these signs from from Google map. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But doesn't it get inspected at you know
if order conditions issued? >> I'm sorry. >> Then there if the order of conditions is issued then the town reviews the work. >> Yes. Yep. Once something is part of the approval is that we're out there. >> It's not like we never go in there. >> I didn't say assembly or any of this. >> I didn't say that. I was curious for my own
>> Oh, okay. For yourself. >> That's why I'm asking. >> Okay. So, I'll have to see what happens then, I guess. Thank you. >> Uh, yes. I'm Cameron Zerini. I'm in 168 Center
Street, one of the authors. And the question I have is I'm still not sure where is that one and a half uh uh mobile home. >> So the conservation commission's
jurisdiction is 100 ft from the wetland. >> The wetlands are highlighted in green. >> The yellow is the 100 ft from the wetlands. This is a proposed mobile home unit. This is a proposed mobile home unit. So you can see this unit and about half of this unit are within the 100
foot section. >> Okay. >> Thank you. And one follow follow-up question. Uh John, please don't go too far. Um where you said you are adding vegetation um to the to the site. Can
you also highlight or point out? the majority of the vegetation. What >> what we're doing is we're maintaining an existing wood line along the uh the boundary with 168 center and any trees
if there's a section where there's a gap in the um vegetation. Uh what our note says is we're going to actually add vegetation. We're actually putting a fence. This is well outside the commission's jurisdiction over here. Uh we're also adding vegetation along
this corner of the property. There is some vegetation located within the commission's jurisdiction that's going in right along that lot line, but that whole thing is being vegetated on that corner. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yes.
Andrew, he tal member precinct 4. I saw watched the planning board meeting last night. I know you guys were talking about snow storage. I didn't know where it was and it looks like everything uh all the contour goes towards the back of the property. Is that correct? >> So, actually this is the plan proposed
snow stockpile area is all right in this location. So, it's all outside the commission's jurisdiction. And yes, the the whole topography, if you look at this site, there's a high spot right behind 182 right here. We're not touching any of this hill. We are
grading slightly into it in this location to build visitor parking. This whole topography goes down in this direction and then it gets caught by the drainage. >> So, right right now, until you do that, everything essentially right now flows into the wetlands. >> Yeah, we're not changing everything
currently goes to the wetlands. It will still go to the wetland, >> but it's going to get filtered by >> but it's now going to get caught by um our proposed drainage. >> And again, I don't know what's in the standard uh order of conditions for you guys. I would I would like to see uh
signs or something. I know you guys done it before. Put signs along uh probably the the orange line or whatever line there is like no snow storage or something. know something like I don't know what's in your standard order of
conditions and that stuff and it there's a I'm assuming you submit like a maintenance plan for the >> yes the basins >> there is an operation and maintenance plan that's submitted to engineering it's a requirement under the state code as well >> okay >> that's the requirement of the um
>> John come up to the mic just so people at home >> it's a requirement of the development to maintain that system and um again what happens is if the commission is inclined to issue an order for conditions for the project. Once the project starts, there'll most likely be inspections from
the town uh from the town at uh particular parts of the project. Once the project is complete, one of the criteria under the order of conditions is that we have to perform an asbuilt plan of what was built. We have to um evaluate it versus the design. We have
to put a letter together certifying compliance with the approved plan. An asbuilt plan gets submitted to the conservation commission for a request for a certificate of compliance. So then everything that was built gets documented on an asbuilt, which would also include those monuments that we
discussed earlier. That would most likely end up right along that 35 foot no disturb zone. >> Are there any other questions? Okay. Um, I do have someone remote. Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> All right. Um, so Sandra, I'm just gonna
unmute you. One second. >> Okay, Sandra, can you uh say something so we can see if we can hear you? Can't hear you yet. Let me see. Sorry about this. Um, okay. Sandra, can you hear me? >> Nothing.
>> Okay. Oh, she's typing something. >> Always at the mercy of technology. Okay, she can hear me. Um, or she can hear us, I should say, and she's unmuted. All right, Sandra, if you It's a little
unique, but if you want to drop your phone number in the chat, I can give you a call and then we'll be able to hear you so we can get you on the record for any questions or anything that you would like to ask if that's okay with you. She can hear us just fine. It's nothing that I can really control. >> Okay. No, that's okay.
>> That's okay. I'll figure it out. All right. Give me one second. I'm going to give her a call, put her on speaker phone, and um we'll make it work. Hello. >> Hi there, Sandra. >> Yes. Let me just turn off my computer speaker.
>> Yes, please. And I'm just gonna if you can just um whenever you're ready, introduce yourself so that everyone can hear you and um go forward with your questions whenever you're ready. >> Thank you. First of all, I appreciate your work. >> Very much appreciated.
>> Of course. >> My name is Sandra Guesting and I am a director of butter. Um, as the first speaker noted, I'm sorry, I already forgot her name. We have been following this project for a very long time.
uh and last year uh the ball came out in full force and as she mentioned we were very much against the increase in the units on this piece of property. Um I would like to mention that um it was a comment made by I
believe his name was Dan. Um we did not come into any agreement with them on anything. Uh the only agreement that was done was because the the zoning board shut things down. Uh I'm not really sure how those one and a half
units um got into the space they're in because there was a prop a proposal for an additional three there and the zoning board said absolutely not. That's too close to the uh the buffer zone. So now we have all this other work that wants
to get done in the 100 foot buffer zone. I just say this. Um, there's a dare population that beds down in that area and you know I don't necessarily want to see additional water push. There's also
a natural stream as you all know. I don't want to see additional water pushed there which may in turn um shorten the bedding area of these animals. We have turkeys, we have deer, you know, we have it all there and
I would like the conservation commission to really think about what the buffer is there for. Uh there's so much building that goes on and some of it just we have no control of. But situations like this we have a lot of control of. It's a very
big area of vegetation with some natural water for the animals. You know once you start digging and painting and you know that's it. It's gone. It's gone forever. So, I just wanted to make my thoughts
noted on the record that I'm very much against any additional, you know, I mean, if they want to clean up some debris, they should. It's their property. They should make their property more as as appealing as possible for their for their current and potential renters.
As far as anything beyond the 100 foot buffer, I am just against it. You know, we have been fighting this project and Uh, and I, you know, like I said, we did not have an agreement with the owners about anything. So, I'm not sure what the gentleman was speaking about.
That was the only agreement that went through because the zoning board shut them down. So, I appreciate your time tonight and um I do hope that you give it a lot of consideration. You know what they say about paving paradise from the parking lot. So, thank
you very much. >> Thank you so much, Sandra. Um, does anybody else have any questions? >> Um, what do you guys think? >> Um, am I only I mean, are we allowed to chat among ourselves? How does this work? We
closed the public meeting and then >> uh No, we don't want to. Um, close. >> I think >> would you just go back to the board and I would just say that I think we should go out and do the site and I >> Yeah, I think >> I kind of have an idea where it is, but I've never been up in there and up been up behind. So, I would like to see it.
>> Yeah, I agree. >> And uh, you know, if it's a big decision, it's probably better to have five members here instead of three. >> Yeah, I think so, too. Um, and the houses where you're putting or that
space in our um, yellow zone, is that area and where you're doing the um, storm water management for the new units? Is that area all forested? >> It's like I said, it's part new growth, new growth, old growth.
>> So, it's not fully forested. >> It's still, but the where the um those are, it's still forested. It's still >> there's vegetation there and we'll be able to show that when we go out on the sitew walk. I can show you that. >> Yeah, I think I'm good for a site visit. What do you guys think? >> Yeah, >> absolutely.
>> That's fine. I'd be more than happy. Just let us know what time. >> Yeah, Emily. >> Yeah, we'll schedule something. The next meeting is April 9th, so um we can try to schedule something before then if um if that works out for everyone's um agendas. Thank you.
>> Perfect. Um, before we move to the next step, I do see Sandra is just typing something else in the chat. So, before we move on, I just want to make sure Oh, no, she's all set. She had her hand still up, but she took it down. Okay. All right. >> So,
where would I Is it on here? No. >> Well, sort of. It just first vote would be to close the public. >> Oh, I see. I see. So, I'm going to do a motion. >> No, we want to continue public hearing. >> So, I move, >> do I do this? I move to close the public
meeting. We don't want to close. >> Continue. >> Oh, just continue on. >> Just make a I'll make >> Okay. >> I just make a motion that we uh >> we continue this hearing uh for 98 Newberry Street, D file number 1449 uh to our next meeting, which is on April
9th. Uh, and that will be pending a site visit. >> Yes. All right. >> I second the motion. >> You can't. >> Oh, it always is first. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, now you second. >> I will second. >> All in favor? >> I >> Thank you very much. Make motions.
>> I learned that. >> Yeah. >> Next. >> Okay, let's see. So, next is Summer Street. >> Next is um Cherry Hill Drive. >> Oh, Cherry Hill. >> Yep. 54 Cherry Hill Okay.
All right. Go on. >> One second. Looks like Dell just >> summer here. Okay. >> All right. Um, our next
space is 54 Cherry Hill Drive, RDA, DCC file number 2026-01. And the applicant is a biomed. And we have um Danell here. So Danell, I'm just going to
try to unmute you. And if we have the same problem, I may just need to give you a call. Oh. Technology. Technology. All right. It's >> failing us. It >> It is failing us this evening, but that's okay. We'll make do. >> Um Danell, can you please try to say
something if we can hear you? >> Hello. >> Oh, yes, we've got you. >> Hello. You got me? >> Yes, D. We can hear you. >> Perfect. >> See you. >> Okay. >> Perfect. >> All right. Let me get to the correct
page here. Okay. >> All right, Danell, we should be good to go. Just make sure you speak loudly, please. It's a little little tough to hear in here. >> No problem. So, uh, would the camera work? I'm not sure. >> Yes. Yep. The screen is working. So, I have your presentation up.
>> Okay. I guess I can't show my c my face, but that's okay. Um, I guess I look presentable in that little snippet that I have there. >> Um, so, uh, good evening, uh, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Danell Baptist. I am a project manager with High Point
Engineering. Um I am representing uh Abu Men Johnson and Johnson for request for determination on their property that's located on 54 Cherry Hill Drive um in Danver. Next slide please.
So uh we recently uh did a full-sight topo bracket engineering just some housekeeping on the site. The site is bounded by a isolated vegetated wetlands on the top left of the screen. Um there
is a a normal ve BBW to the north and towards the eastern part of the site there is an intermittent uh stream that's identified on the site. Um the site does not have any um
encompasses on any um endangered species. The site is not within a FEMA flood zone. As you can see, uh the site has existing um parking. Uh the site is about 10.4
um acres and it harbors an existing 67,000 square foot research and development facility. Um and in front of the site uh along Cherry Hill Drive, there is an existing storm water basin to handle the existing storm mitigation
um on site. Next slide, please. This is just a colored version of what you've seen, more enhancements. This is actually the uh proposed development um for this project. As you can see, we are
um enhancing the um landscape aesthetics. We are proposing a stormwater management system to the uh southwest of the project. Um we are mitigating all new impervious areas
and we are increasing um the parking lot size to accommodate future growth from the building and the programming within. Um in white there is a uh new addition that's being proposed. Uh the clients
are looking to raise about 8 to 9,000 square foot of existing building to accommodate the the proposed 23,000 square foot building um for their uh expansion and um um research and development programming
to the this the subject site is bounded by Cherry Hill Drive to the east commercial and research facilities to the southwest. Um just beyond the the limits of this uh
presentation here there is a um Beverly Municipal um airport towards the north and the property currently has two access points which will be which will be maintained as part of the uh proposed programming. Next slide please.
Being that this is a conservation commission, I'm going to go right into the disturbances and discuss how uh the site is being protected um in and hoping we could get a negative determination for the site. So, as you can see, we
color coded the area. Um I will get into the there's a chart there. It's a little small but u we have a blow up that we could actually see the numbers but before we get we get into the numbers I want to explain what you're seeing. So the site does not
one sec. >> All right Dell hang on we lost your sound for a second. All right. Um Danell, can you please try to say something? Um All right, Danell, I think I can I see that you're trying to say something, but we've looks like we've lost your sound
here. Um I can if you want to drop a number in the chat, I can do the same thing that we just did and give you a call. um so that we can make sure that you're able to get your hearing um through tonight so we don't have to stall your
presentation. All right, folks. I'm really sorry about this technology. >> I'm gonna personally go to the board to fix the senior center. Sometimes it works perfectly and sometimes uh
>> we improvise. >> So, >> hi. If you record your name and >> All right, Dell, it just went right to your voicemail. I'm going to try again. >> I'm >> Can you go to the >> Hi, Denell. We have um your architect
here. >> Hi. introducing myself. My name is Cindy Murphy. I'm from Genesis AEC. Sorry, I'm hearing an echo. >> I I'm sorry. Could you name one more time? I was trying to disconnect the phone. >> Sure. Cindy Murphy. >> Okay, great. >> From Genesis Architects. Um Danell, if you want to call my cell phone or
through Teams, I can put you on speaker phone if that's easier. Hoping he heard that. I'm so sorry, folks. Oh, do you have his number? He just said to try calling him again.
>> Um, pull it back up. >> If not, I can try to get him on the line again. >> You Yeah, if you have it right there. >> All right, I'll give him a call. >> Oh, gotcha. >> Hi. Hello. Hi Dell. >> Hey Dell. >> Hi. >> Okay, we've got you on
>> on speaker phone. >> He's got to mute himself. >> And then just please Dell, please mute your computer. >> Okay, let's see. >> Does that work? >> Can everyone here hear him? >> Okay. >> When you speak.
>> Does that work? Everyone, can everyone hear me? >> Yep. Sounds like it. >> Okay, perfect. technology is the best. Um so um so I just wanted to start off by saying um the proposed project does not um involve any disturbance between the
35T buffer zones depicted in orange and red. The only disturbances to this project is within the 100 buffer zone. So on this plan depicted in red is the
uh is the impact UF,000. The kind of bluish purple is just parking lot. So if uh if you could go back to the I'm not sure if you could see the existing conditions, but could you go back to
existing condition plans? I just want to um give a high level overview of how the the grading works on site. >> Yep. One sec, Danell. Um this one >> um I think it's the one before that one.
>> Okay. >> Thanks, Emily. >> Sure. >> So, uh if if the town could bear with me on the image here. So, the site grades away from the wetlands. So the the proposed development area, if you get depict drainage, if drainage falls right
on that little blue 100 foot buffer line, everything drains towards the parking lot and towards Cherry Hill Drive. So our impact is actually uh shaded by that curb area that's surrounding the parking lot. And we we
plan to maintain um the the the limits of the the parking lot and have everything drained towards that area. Um if uh also uh we wanted to highlight that that area is going to be protected
by a temporary um fence, construction fence along with um uh straw waddles um that's 12 in in diameter and overlapped um 8 in which provides a more secure seal to prevent any silt or debris um
from from entering the the the resource area that that pretty much um surrounds the site. I wanted to uh discuss um back up a little bit. Um we submitted supplementary plans um a package um on
the 19th of March. Um the executive summary um was updated to properly describe the disturbance area. So that language was updated. We'll send it to Emily. Thank you, Emily, for uh uh making that um call out. Uh we also
updated the exhibit um disturbance uh that we'll show you shortly. Um the numbers we updated that to to clearly reflect the disturbances on the site. There were some minor uh oversight and we adjusted that. We also um submitted a
waiver as part of the RDA submission and the waiver was for 50 foot no build. The question may rise, hey, why are you doing a waiver for no no for 50 foot no as the current site does not even oppose that? Um, our client um is uh
contemplating doing a potential um foot bridge that crosses the property line on the 2442 side um pedestrian path rather and it's a canopy. So um it was it was advised
that you know to go forward with um the waiver in the event the the programming along the property line of the 20 2242 Cherry Hill Drive and 54 Cherry Hill Drive comes to fruition. So I just
wanted to be clear that there is no violation with that waiver. It's for potential um programming change. Thanks Emily. Could you go to the blow the the chart that blows up and shows the uh disturbance areas, please?
>> I will try to. It gets a little blurry when it blows up. So, just bear with me one second. I'm not sure if it's going to be visible. Um Okay. I think that's the the best we can do. It's still a little blurry. >> Oh, it's a little blurry. Okay. Yeah.
>> Um no worries. Um so um basically what this says is um on the zero there's zero zero to 35 foot um disturbances there's zero um disturbances in pre-development and postdevelopment so a net zero from
the 35 to 50 foot buffer zone um the pre-development there's 173 square foot of uh disturbance and equivalent 173 disturbance further cementing the fact that there's no um delta in the
disturbances between that those zones. Uh moving forward to the 50 foot and 100 foot buffer zones um for the pre-development, there's a 1,570 square ft of existing disturbance. And you can see um to accommodate the new
development, there's a 10,750 um square foot of um imperous um disturbance. So we have a a net of nine 9 9,180 square foot of new impervious area within the jurisdictional um buffer
zone. >> Can you go to the next slide, please? >> I just zoomed back out. >> Is it okay to ask a question? >> Uh yeah, Denell, we have a a commission member that has a question for you. Okay, >> sure. So, just um can you just clarify where where this additional 10,923
feet is in this drawing? Is it just the the orangey pinky area along the parking lot? Is that the 10,000 ft that you're >> new? Yes. Yes, sir. So, depicted in that crosshatch, that red crosshatch, >> that's where the additional pavement is.
>> Okay. >> Um added to the project. >> Okay. And how many additional parking spots is that? I'm just curious. >> Um I don't have that number off the top of my head, but we are almost we're almost doubling the parking on on site. We have a total of 187 parking spaces
now. >> Okay. >> With the proposed development. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> So, as you can see that the project barely uh encroaches on 100 foot. Um,
hence why we are going for a request to determination and not an NOI. Um, I I also want to bring to the board's attention that we we have um proposed no storage placards um within the 100 foot buffer zone to
deter any uh facilities manager or whoever is doing snow remediation from stockpiling snow storage within that area. How how did they how did they do this year with all the snow? There was an issue last year with snow being stored
where there was a sign saying no stores no snow storage. >> Um I'm not I'm not sure because last year we I I'm not sure if we had ownership of this property. I think this property was uh there's an agreement between Aviomemed and the current owners
um to provide development on this site. So I believe we obtained this agreement sometime end of last year. Um so I wouldn't be able to speak upon what um transpired on this site um in the past. >> Yeah, I can clarify that one a little
bit. Um starting on January 1st of this year, we got a key to the building so that we could get inside or not we a biomed did so they could get inside and survey it. However, they are not responsible for site maintenance uh until they start doing construction on
site. So, it's still under the landlord's uh responsibility. >> The previous landlord, >> it's the current landlord, the property owner is will still be the same property owner. >> Okay. When >> Abume has a there's some history that
they didn't follow the the no storage sign. >> Yeah. >> Want to make sure that doesn't happen again. We will definitely communicate that the prior tenant I think when they were occupied which I think was Millipur they were responsible for it. So until a
biomed moves into the building they're not responsible for the site maintenance under their lease terms. >> Probably wasn't this building it was one farther down. >> Yeah maybe >> you can continue Dell. Sorry. >> Yeah, no problem. Thanks. Thanks for
chiming in. Um any other questions on this slide? more than happy to answer any questions on the slide before I move on. All set. Um, could you move to the next slide, please, Emily? This is just uh a layout. I don't want to spend too much time on this because
it's conservation hearing, but this is the proposed development. We are providing storm water management as I mentioned before. Um we are enhancing the landscape aesthetics as well. Um we have uh um an we have snow storage um
indicated in the hatch areas. Um we've modified the tree lines to be outside of the the 50oot uh buffer zone. We have charging stations. We have ADA accessible routes um and lighting enhancements to support
um the new development as well. Next slide, please. Um this is just a quick snippet of a rating plan. Um just to uh demonstrate to the board that um storm water is being mitigated, treated um and it complies with mass uh mass D stormwater
handbook. Um the site uh everything from the site will be uh treated uh per the regulations. Um we are scheduled to uh go in front of planning board next month um for a site plan review and for
stormwater permit. Um it just so happens that this board uh the commission um scheduling um this this meeting happened first but we are going to go in front of planning board um and um engineering to qualify our our
design and our site plan. Uh, next slide please. Um, I thought it was uh worthwhile to uh show the board that uh we are um protecting the resource area. Uh if you
look to the left um I show a standard detail of our our our straw waddle uh emphasizing that it is 12 in 12 inch diameter in u the overlap as you can see depicted on that lower left corner. Snow storage is provided and it's outside of
the 100 foot buffer zone as mentioned before. Um I wanted to highlight that snow storage um there's no in this m there's no uh deicing compounds such as uh
calcium chloride or magn mag calcium magnesium acetates. So uh no deicing u measures that could potentially compromise the the integrity of the wetlands is proposed and it's clearly written in the on&m.
Um landscaping is going to be uh periodically um addressed as far as for a maintenance standpoint twice a year. Um and uh the site is protected and this and M is jurisdictional has to be on site um
during construction um operations. Next slide please. So that concludes the presentation. Um I thank the board for allowing um High Point on behalf of Abby Man Johnson and Johnson to present in front of you guys tonight. Um I'm open for any questions
um as of now. Thank you. >> Uh Paul, do you have any questions? >> Um I I guess so. Um you know, I read there's a lot of documents, so I read through probably not all of them, but I've been through a lot of them. um you know and it's just a little bit unclear
so what and maybe this gets covered in the storm water uh approval but what exactly will be done to kind of address the fact this is 10,000 square ft of new impervious um is is what is is that what what
what's being done to address that is that the storm water >> I can barely hear I apologize >> could you could you restate what uh >> yeah yeah yeah maybe Maybe I'm answering the question myself, but um but that's but that's okay.
>> You sound really clear clear now. >> I got well I got the phone in my hand. Um so the uh you know your the documents have about 11,000 square feet of new imperous uh uh ground and my question is so what are the plans to address that to
minimize the runoff from this new imperous or to 10,000 11,000 square feet of new impervious ground? That's my question. Yep. Yep. No problem. Um Emily, could you go back to the um the storm water grading and drainage plan,
please? >> Thank you. Could you I'm not sure if you have a cursor, >> but lower left of the plan is proposed infiltration basin. So what that does is upstream just upstream of
that basin there is a proprietary water quality unit. So before it even enters this infiltration basin it gets cleaned um and it then discharges into this basin for further mitigation and water quality. So here is where it gets
attenuated um and the flow uh infiltrates and when it goes beyond the capacity of the basin then it discharges back into the Cherry Hill Drive storm water system. So this is a location where it offsets that increase in the purpose area that you just discussed.
It's mitated within this >> and that's gets approved in the storm water um that would be part of the storm water permit process. Thank you, >> Peter. Do you have any questions? >> Uh, no questions per se. It's just that
I guess a statement viewpoint. Uh, seems like a fairly involved project and that whole area over there is pretty involved. There's I think Millipur has quite a goodiz project going on right now. So, uh, I would not be inclined to vote for a negative determination. I
would be uh I would like to see the site first, but >> yeah, I think a site >> I think And I also think beyond that, you know, they should be asking for an order of conditions. >> There's a lot of work going on within our jurisdiction and and there's I mean,
Abby has a lot going on. This is probably the since I've been on the board, it's probably the fifth project we've we've talked about. So, I would just like to see them go through the >> Sure. So, it's up to the commission if you want to either you have the options of either a negative determination, a positive determination, or continue with
the site visit. Right. based on tonight. >> I'm fine with the site visit. >> I'm good with a site visit. How does that work? If we decide to change the >> what Peter said, >> if you issue a positive determination, then that means that they will need to
apply with they'll have to issue or sorry submit a notice of intent and receive an order of conditions in order to move forward with the project. >> Yep. And if we do negative >> and if you do a negative then the project can go as presented. with no real oversight. Then he'll come
back to us with an ask. >> So do a site visit before we do the positive or negative. >> If you if you would like to do a site visit, then we would continue this hearing and you would make the either positive or negative determination at the next meeting on April 9th and we would have the site visit in between.
>> I don't think we should be voting on anything site visit. >> I agree. same as the previous, you know, we'd have two other members, too, that would have their questions and >> that's good opinions. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Okay.
>> If the board allows, I just want to make a a quick uh followup comment if you don't mind. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> Um I just wanted to mention that the proposed development uh does not affect the weapons.
Absolutely. Not that there's no indication of any effects to the wetland as everything flows away. So it's not like where we have typical projects where um impervious area enters the wetland we're disturbing the wet the wetland area relative to storm water. Um
in this partic particular case uh there's no storm water that goes in the direction of the wetland because the wetland is higher than the site. So, and and even if there is any encroachment into wetland, it's it's the grass and the landscape area that was
already there and we are providing a perimeter uh protection to that area. I just wanted to just make that clear. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um we're all set, right? So, we can ask the public. All right. Um
is there anyone present who would like to speak? Okay. >> Okay. And I have no one um online beside him either. >> All right. And then what do we do now? >> I'm going to just vote to continue.
>> Now you want me to make a motion? I'd like to make a motion that we continue the public hearing on 54 Cherry Hill Drive, DCC, file number 2026-01 to our next meeting on >> April 9th.
>> April 9th. Uh, and hopefully we could get a site visit scheduled before that. Is it I think we all want to see the site before we vote one way or the other. >> All right, I'll second that. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> All right. Um, Danell, if you're still on the line, I'll be in touch with so we
can get a site visit set up. Okay. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. You, too. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I'm glad you were here so you could >> step up with technology. Appreciate it.
>> All right. So, now we're doing 65 summer, >> correct? >> Yep. >> Thank you guys. >> All right. Let's see. Okay. Our next piece, uh, next location
we're going to work on is 65 Summer Street, RDA, DCC file number 2026-02, and the applicant is St. John's Prep School. >> Good evening. My name is Katie Cruz. I'm a civil engineer with Hancock Associates
representing the school. Emily, if you could go to sheet C4, please. So, this project is related to improvements to an existing dining hall on the St. John's Prep campus um on
Summer Street. Um the work within the conservation commission's jurisdiction is very limited um in the scope of the project. It consists of site work related to these improvements. Um as you're familiar with the green line on
this plan is the edge of wetlands. Um the red line is the no disturb zone. The orange is no build and the yellow line is the 100 foot buffer zone. The work within the buffer zone, no work is proposed within the no build or no
disturb consists of repaving an existing driveway and parking area and replacing the curb there. Um there will also be a small reduction in imperous area. If you can see near Summer Street, there's a jog um in the curb line at the end of
the parking spaces closest to the wetland. That jog is not there in the current condition. So about 350 square feet of imperous area will be removed. This paved area um will just be paved in the current
condition and existing grades is simply a resurfacing project. Um it does not drain to this wetland that's adjacent to it. It drains to this dashed in detention pond which is in the lower corner of the screen. I think you probably just saw it.
>> Whenever I stand up, it comes back. >> Don't sit. >> I know, right? um that that pond was built um under a previous order of conditions that was issued by this commission about 10 years ago. Um and it it's same amount of water
slightly less actually that will be draining to it in the proposed condition. So it's a very small request. Um we're requesting a ne negative determination. Happy to answer any questions you might have. Just so I'm clear. So basically the
request is just for doing the work. Once the work is done, you're basically the same uh the same conditions that you had prior to the work being done. Correct. >> Correct. It's paved now. It will be paved except a little bit less of it will be paved.
>> Where is that reduction in pavement that you mentioned >> in the crank condition? This curb line extends straight to the street. We're removing this little jog right here and replacing it with that.
>> Is that the 360 ft? >> Yes, it is. >> So that's the only change within our space. >> Correct. >> And the only work within our jurisdiction within the 100 foot buffer is to remove pavement, do your work, and replace the pavement.
>> Right. They just want a new clean surface when they have their beautiful dining hall. So, >> are they going to demolish the current dining hall or >> um they'll be demolishing a portion of the back of the site, which is where they have their kitchen, and replacing
that um with a new addition there. >> When are they hoping to do this work? >> I think they would like to start this summer. >> That's all I have for questions. Yeah, I think I'm good. >> Um, is there anybody here that would
like to speak? >> Yeah. >> I'm sorry. Please go to the microphone and state your name and address. >> Yeah, you have to go to the mic so we can hear you >> because this is all being video recorded and people won't know what you're saying if they can't hear you. So you need to
step up to the mic. >> And Katie, just please speak up when >> Sure. >> Yeah. And if there's anything that I said that you missed, I'm happy to repeat. >> You uh you are very difficult to hear as
a presenter and I'll you know not easy to tell you that. >> Well, fair enough. I'm happy to repeat anything. >> Yeah. I don't know. yourself, please. >> I don't know what for you to repeat cuz I didn't hear what you said.
>> Could you just identify yourself if you're at the microphone? >> Yeah. I'm Paul Gerard and I live on Ledgewood Drive, number nine, which is a a good distance away from St. John Prep.
I don't even know why I got in a butter's letter to be honest with you, but I came out of curiosity. my right >> to come and and and ask
and to be uh you know outspoken I guess you know really >> all right so who's next? Thank you so much. >> Um, my name's Nile McManis. Um, I have nothing about St. John's. That's pretty
simple. Um, I'd just like to say I'm I'm a developer. Um, I've done a lot of construction and um, I've lived in Danver for five years and I've done a lot of these meetings all over Massachusetts.
And for this standard of a meeting for you guys to put on, it's an absolute disgrace. Um, screens not working, people not knowing what to do on the board. I'm not I hope you take this as positive criticism, but it's been one of the worst meetings I've ever been at.
And >> no, no, I'm I'm not I'm not all about the screen only. They don't know when the motion. They don't know. I I think you guys have to get your act together. And I hope you take that uh constructively because I'm sure yours are all qualified to be on it. But I'd
like to think there's at least one civil engineer or somebody with a background that is here. Two you you put off two meetings tonight. But obviously, you know, there's things going on, but two members aren't here to put site meetings
on for down the road and just kick things down the road. It's not good for developers. It's not good for residents and to come here and spend this amount of time with screens not working phoning in. I mean, we're not in the 18th
century. I'm from Ireland and with B technology in the 80s. So, I hope you take that on board. Thank you. Best luck with your project. >> Is there anybody else who'd like to speak? Yeah. Uh Paul Pollac, 60 Summer Street. I'm
not I don't think I'm in a butter, but they sent the notice out, so I figured I wanted to come and see what was going on. Trying to figure out where 65 Summer Street was because the property right across from me is 63. Okay. Now, if you go up the hill, and and this is why I'm up here, probably
more to see the map uh than anything else. But if you go up the hill from my house, the first building at the prep is the uh I don't know if you call that a little auditorium. Anybody Everybody with me on that one? >> Benjamin Hall, I think it was. >> I guess that's it. Yeah, we used to vote
there years ago when they uh Benjamin Hall. And then there's the main uh the building now that is the middle school building that was there originally years and years ago. Then there's a library that they just put up maybe 20 years ago. And then there's a big dining hall.
Is that where we're talking about? Is that is that where this project is? Just let me know where it is. And we're talking about a small area that you want to redress. I guess it's >> I just want to rename it. >> Right. Okay. So, a lot of people around
that area, me included, thought there was a building going on, wetlands, etc. Okay. And I'm still now you've explained it to me. I know where it is. Thank you very much. But this is not good. The project is good. I
mean, I I don't have any problem with, but it's hard to see. It really is very, very difficult. And I'm at other meetings in town, and the same thing happens. You know, you you can't have 2020. You must have have to have something else 00 or whatever it is to see these things. Okay. But thanks for
your patience. >> Thank you. Is there anybody else that would like to talk? >> We good? >> Okay. >> Yeah. I do not have anyone online that would like to speak. >> Okay.
So, what do you think? >> But, uh, >> is this is this a public? >> Since we since we opened it to the public, close it. >> Yes. You want to close public? >> I make a motion to close the public
hearing. >> We can't. >> Oh, sorry. So, so the first thing we have to vote on, yeah, I'll >> make a motion that we uh close the public hearing for 65 Summer Street, DCC file number 2026-02. >> I'll second.
>> All in favor? >> I >> I now first I see no reason to have a positive. No, we we want a negative to >> Yeah, they're seeking they're requesting a negative,
>> right? So, I'd like to make make a motion that we issue a negative determination of applicability for this project at 65 Summer Street DC number 2026-02. >> So, I'll second that. >> All in favor?
>> I I So, that's >> we're good. >> Thank you. >> Move the minutes. Let me take the uh the minutes from January. >> Thank you guys.
>> You're welcome. >> Mr. Gerard, you hired me for my first teaching job. >> Were you in Haveril? >> I was. >> You were. You hired me in 1997. >> My last name wasn't height. It was Robinson.
>> Oh my goodness. What were you teaching? >> Biology. But we got to move on. >> All right, moving on. >> Yep. >> That's funny. >> Sorry. We just have one more thing for the meeting. I know. >> Good judgment and personnel. >> There you go.
>> She was a good person, but I >> you guys put up. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> All right. So, >> have we all read and approve? >> No. Have we all read? We'll have to vote to approve them.
>> All right. So, where is it? Here. >> Make a Should I make a motion? >> Yes. >> I'll make a motion we approve the minutes from the meeting of February 12th, 2026. >> January 22nd, right? February 12th. >> February 12th. >> February 12th. I'm sorry. >> That's what I said. Right. February 12th.
>> I'll second the motion. >> All in favor? >> I >> I might have. Is there anything else, Emily? >> Uh, no. Next meeting is April 9th. We'll schedule a couple of site visits in the interim and um hopefully with that meeting we'll have a full commission and we can um
>> Okay. And you can try and get those two uh site visits. >> Yes. Yep. I'll get those scheduled before the next meeting. >> A motion to adjurnn. >> Yep. >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> sir. Good night.
>> I think I know your daughter. I I speak to your daughter. She watching the the big dog, Mizzy. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think she had told me once that you were cuz you were on the school committee, weren't you? >> No, my wife was on for 10 years. >> Your wife was? >> Yeah. She was actually on for school.
She had some health issues, >> but she had been a middle school principal. >> We're off. She wanted to finish the two years >> and I'm on >> I was going to say you're >> I'm f common with the human rights.
>> This is no problem. I just didn't clearly the gentleman was >> I I came here with the idea that 65 summer street >> was a new building >> was was a vacant lot basically from >> from 63 summer street up to where the
little auditorium is. And I think that to me that was going to be all hellbent. Please excuse my French because there is a big wet area down below there, >> right? >> But it was No, it's this little >> Which house is yours in summer? >> If you come out of Rockland >> from Rockland, you can take a right and
a left. >> Let's say you're coming up Rockland to get on the summer. >> What is our take a right? >> I'm right there. >> On the opposite. >> Yeah, on the opposite. You have to watch out when I back up. Okay. Come flying around rocking, you know. Yeah, I've been there for a while, but I just could
Where is this piece of land? I'm just going to lock, you know what I mean? That you're going to build on yourself. >> So, that's just a suggestion. >> But every project they've come to us with, they've been good. They're thorough. >> They're thorough and they know what
they're doing. >> But I just >> we can't discuss the hearings without >> and you know, really I don't know how you people can see that. >> Oh, we can't. >> But you have uh you have paperwork. Well, we get paperwork ahead of time. >> He's wonderful to what is general.
>> Well, the other thing is too