Thank you for coming. I'm glad that we have I thought I got I was in Seattle. I had flown out to help my daughter. I think I got exposed at work cuz when I called work No, three other people at work had gotten to and we all had mild symptoms. Were you all sitting together in a coffee shop?
No, I we were all in the same department, though. Yeah. So, we probably all saw the same patient who gave it to us. Good evening. Welcome to the Danvers Conservation Commission meeting for August the 14th. Uh we as a commission
operate under the Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 131, Section 40, the Wetlands Protection Act, and chapter 26 of the Town of Danvers General bylaws, the Wetlands Protection bylaw. Uh after each applicant presents his or her request and the board has had time
to ask questions and discuss the project, we will accept questions from the audience. Because this is a public meeting is required by law that you give your name and your address before you speak. Although we may disagree on issues raised, all persons present during this meeting are expected to be civil to all of the meeting attendees.
This includes members of the commission, staff, abutters, concerned citizens, property owners, and project applicants. We also request that you confine your questions to the project and only as it pertains to the wetlands act. We cannot handle nor do we have jurisdiction on
matters such as noise or traffic. All problems not related to the wetlands protection act in the town of Danber's wetlands protection bylaw must be taken up with the other appropriate boards. Uh our first order of business tonight would be a roll call. Peter Wilson is present. Lorraine Drapek
present. Mary hate present. and Michael Splain. Yeah. Present. So, we have all four members and I'm hearing that we have another one on the way. Okay. We'll get to that at the end. Uh the first order on our agenda is a
request for a certificate of compliance on Summer Street. The covert replacement. The D file number was 914-1419. The applicant was the town of Danvers. And is someone representing the town here tonight? Good evening. Um, Bill Casey with
Arcadus, project manager for the town of Damas on this project. Um, this is the Summer Street cover replacement and uh, this work was completed uh, the tail end of last year, so forgive the the cold weather pictures,
but this is a post construction um, view of the culvert. Um it's essentially a replacement of a pipe across the road here. Uh new manhole structure and stabilization of the slope
of the downstream channel. This is a drainage area that drains uh Strawberry Hill Lane area and the outlet is right beyond this fence line here. Um in this presentation, it's it's very brief, but um if we go to the next next page, this
is just a overall site plan. It's at the intersection roughly of Summer Street and Lima Street and Strawberry Hill Lane. Go to the next one. And really the the catalyst for the project was it was an old corrugated
metal pipe that had corroded and the corrosion had really washed out the soil and caused a failure along the along the sidewalk here. And so the the point of the project was to really replace that old pipe. Um maintaining the same
capacity as there was before. Um certainly probably a little bit improved because the uh the pipe was kind of squashed. Um and then put in a new concrete head wall and then stabilized the downstream uh slope here as well. If
you go to the next um couple of couple of um slides, if you will, are more just final construction. Um, we'll go back to that. Sorry. Oh, it's okay. So, this is a concrete head wall that
was installed in here. Um, some slope stabilization with some rip wrap along the way. Um, the drainage pipe ended up being a two HDP pipes or essentially plastic pipes. They'll uh stand the test of time. It was a tie in of a few
existing uh catch basins here and connection into this head wall structure. um sidewalk has been repaved. The area had been restored and uh the neighbor's lawn had been resolded. Um and pavement and street have been
replaced as well. We go up to the next. So these are just additional photos from different angles. Um you can see the two main uh culvert pipes. This is a connection from existing drain and then there was another existing drain that
came across in this area here. This is the head of the distance here. Go to the next one. Just different views. This was um just up the road a piece. Uh there was existing basin here and existing basin
here. They were both in rough shape. This piping had originally connected into the side of the culvert. Um under this improved condition, we ran a new pipe across the road, reset um a couple of new uh structures here and maintain
the same alignment of that outlet as well. Um go to the next one I think shows the asbuilt plan view which is also in your packet and this is a request for certificate of compliance for this project.
Here this is just an overall plan view. New piping across the road. Head wall in this condition. Uh the houses of this structure here. Reconnection of this piping and then rip wrap along the side.
This side had already had um significant rip wrap. So there was no need for slope stabilization there. That's that's all there was. Wasn't there an an amendment to this uh to add more rip wrap? There was. Yeah. as we got into it. Um,
I think that was this section here was found to be undermined and so was I think it was an additional 50 ft of rip wrap that could add at that point. Okay. So, everything's tidied up. Yep. Okay. I have no further questions. Mike,
any just um it's performing like it should? Yeah, I mean it we were actually really fortunate during the installation of this. It was particularly dry period at the end of uh last year, but um Renee is
Yeah. And the other the picture before the as built. Sure. Could you go back to the one before that? Yeah. So on the right, the uh that's is that a storm drain? It is. Yeah. And is that at an angle?
Uh the the structure itself, this should be flat. This is probably a slight burm. This roadway has a has a crest to it. So this side of the roadway would drain this way. In the distance there is a a basin here on this and the roadway would
drain that way and then the piping would kind of collect it below below grade if you want. Okay. Thank you. That's all I had. Any questions? No questions. No. Okay, Mary. I'm good. Great. Thank you. This is um I guess this is just the vote
to issue the order. Is that right? All right. All right. So, we can make a motion. We can uh issue a certificate of compliance. I make a motion to issue a certificate of compliance for D number 14-1419. I'll second.
All in favor? I. Okay. You're all set. Thank you. Uh, next up is a request for a partial certificate of compliance for 30 Sherwood A D file number 14-1429. The applicant is Alex Shook and
Northshore Real Estate Solutions. Is there Hi. Um, this is Kathleen. I'm his wife. He can't be available this evening. So, um, I don't have anything prepared, so I'm not exactly sure what you need from me.
Um, can someone just give a summary of the whole project? What do we know about it? Yeah, I can give a summary. Um, the applicant was issued an order of conditions in January of this year. Um the work was paving the uh let's see the driveway, patio reconstruction,
establishing a lawn, storm water management, native landscaping. Um the Kathy and her husband have since sold the property. Um they have the asbuilts. Everything has been built in compliance. There are however two outstanding conditions for two grow um growing
seasons on the plantings. The new homeowners are aware of that. So they'll be coming back in about a year and a half to finish out the rest of it. So this is just for basically to close out everything except for the plantings is what Kathy and Alex are looking to do. Okay. So like you said everything's been
done as as proposed. Everything's been done. The uh the conditions that we we have to pass along to the owners are relevant to the plantings and how well they survive. Correct. And I think there's a bond there is. Yep. And I've spoken to the homeowner
about that too. But the homeowners are aware of the bond and the bond will go back to the homeowners. Yes. Uh after the two years is up. So So who is the bond stay? Yeah, the bond the new homeowners took out a bond. So it's and they're the one. So they'll get it back when um when it gets closed out. Yep. So that's all
taken care of, too. Okay. Uh and are these people is the house turned over? These new people living in it? Yes. Matters. Uh okay. I don't really have any other questions as long as everything is they do what they say
they're going to do. Uh, Mike, do you have any questions, brother? Lorraine? No, no questions. Mary, no, I'm good. Okay. Uh, someone can make a motion. We'll issue the order of the certificate of compliance for these folks. I'll I'll attempt to make the motion.
Um, a motion to issue a partial certificate of compliance to 30 Sherwood Avenue, D number 14-1429, for all conditions except special conditions 12 and 13. Do you want those read or No, that's okay.
That's okay. Those are the same conditions that are on the order. Yep. Correct. Yeah. The motion's been made. Is there a second? All in favor? I I Okay. All right. Thank you. You're all set. Thank you. Uh next up is a notice of intent for 12
and Cherry Hill 12 and 17 Cherry Hill Drive Dile number 14-1438. And the applicant is Millipore. And here to represent Millipur is Jill Man from the office of man and man Middleton Massachusetts. Here with me
this evening is Mark Baker from Millipur the representative for the company. Also Thadberry from ASB the site design engineer and civil engineer for the storm water. Um also Moren Herald from Norse engineering the wetland scientist in connection with the project. And then also we have our site contractor Bob
Atansio in attendance as well. Um welcome back Mr. explain. So, um last time we were here, you wanted um to for us to provide you with a more detailed planting plan, which we had done. In fact, um we had given you uh a list from
Moren telling you the species that could actually be elected. It depends sometimes on availability and also if something's happened at particular species. So, she gave you a range. We gave you the number of trees, the distance, um the number of shrubs. So, for example, on Chel 12 Cherry, we have
a total of 17 um trees and 44 shrubs going in in the area of your jurisdiction. And then with regard to 17, we have 10 trees and 27 shrubs. Um obviously when uh people come out, if Emily comes out and looks at the project and needs adjustments or things moved
and or added, then we do do that in the field. Um that's very common, but that's the the base that we have currently. Um, I'm happy to say that the planning board did sign off and issue approval to us. I'm also happy to report that we have been in communication with the
engineering department and after going back and forth and even having emails and telephone conversations today, I believe that Mr. King from the engineering department basically issued his sign off and um now is basically waiting for us to submit our full storm
water management plan so that we can get our storm water management permit because as this board knows our requirement is to actually install those as our first step. Um just if if I may I'm just going to go over very briefly what we talked about last time just for the benefit of Mr. Splain. Is that
Yeah, I watched the hearing. Oh, you did? Okay. Okay. So, I mean I I don't really then you know what we did when when we had our sitewalk there was very a lot of concern over the fact that we had pavement in the area. So, we took the parking spaces out completely. 12 Cherry has no pavement in the 35 or 50
foot. Remember that area I pointed out? Yep. You remove that. Yep, we did. So, that it and and you were right. It was it was such a small area. There was no reason not to to manage the site and manipulate it. Sometimes we don't do that. we just
create and then we're like, okay, yeah, there's a little sliver, but but we did manage that and we pulled it out. We ended up, you know, having to lose a couple of parking spaces, but that was fine. You know, we can handle that within the count that we already have. And then when we went over to 17, Cherry, we were even more attentive. Do
you mind, Emily, going to the next page? we were more attentive to the area of pavement because if you recall we had had um a two-lane park or maybe again to I don't I don't remember what sheet it is. Oh, this is perfect. If you would I
think this is the new one. Yes, it is. So, we had twoway traffic on that particular um parking field and in order to minimize the amount of intrusion, we made it one-way traffic
and then we were able to redesign the lot itself. And what you see here is a single lane in out. And that allowed us to pull the area out. There's not it used to be hundreds of square feet. I think it was almost 800 ft of pavement
in there. And because of this lane, we ended up having a 54 foot sliver of pavement in there, but that is it. Everything else has been pulled out of the 50-foot. Um, we uh did include, you know, the invasive species. One of the questions that was asked at the meeting
is, you know, are you going to take down I think it was I think it was your question, are you going to take down all the native trees? And absolutely not. when we go in, we'll actually flag um with a ribbon. We'll flag the native species and the native trees and those will remain. The things that will be
taken care of are the invasives and that again is in that planting plan. Um and that really sums it up. I mean, we we are pretty excited about the project. We appreciate your input because honestly, I think you made it a better project. Um, and at this point, if you have questions, if you'd like me
to go over something in detail, if you'd like to speak to either Marine or Thad, we're here for you. Um, just if we could just be brought up to speed on the back and forth with the storm water. I think that's why we continued last time. So, if you could
just give us an update, either you were or Emily just Sure. So there was a lot of back and forth with Stephen King with the engineering team and ultimately by by 4:30 this afternoon with lots of phone calls we came to a resolution where um Stephen King and the engineering team
are happy with working out the final grading and contouring through the storm water permit. So that won't hold up issuing um an order of conditions. They're as far as Hong Kong goes they're they're satisfied with everything. What was what was the what did they do to refine it or to get
I can I think attorney can absolutely that that's a great question. So what what ended up happening is the the engineering department was very concerned that our part with runoff, right? With well more importantly with the peak
volume of runoff because you I guess the town of Danvers just had a restoration project where you repaired a lot of your banks going down to I think Frostbrook is am I Frostbrook? Okay. Going down. So ongoing project. So they were very concerned about the bank and what you do
is if you have an increase in that peak flow so then you can have bank intrusion. So what we had done and even in the original design what we did was we reduced slightly that peak flow and then when we spoke to or actually
communicated via Emily to with Steve there was a concern that we should reduce it more. So what we did was kept the limit of work. We did not disturb any more areas. everything you see on your concom. But we were able to actually manage some
of the contours within the ponding. So for example in here to make the ponds a little bit more hold more capacity. So if you're able to retain and hold that volume then it releases over time and
you're able to reduce the amount of peak peak flow at a given time. So you avoid and avoid basically erosion, unnecessary erosion. And what we did with um Steve King is we gave him a plan of saying look at here's what the volume is and
here's how we're able to reduce the peak. And we were able to reduce the peak by in some instances half. I mean we really were able to for the post that's all by going into this pond and so what ends up happening is the ponds we just make them larger so it holds so
that you don't have that rush of water and that's what that's what Steve like disturbance within that area that's within our Nope. It's it would all be part of this plan anyway and then it'll be part of the storm water permit so it'll all be covered in there.
Okay. All right. Good. Good that you could do that. Uh okay. Where were we at? I just kind of went at you with some questions but Well, Mike, you have more questions? Um well I know I think that the when we were doing
the walk through it was said that the amount of work that you were doing uh in the area was like a quarter of a million dollars worth of work. Oh yeah. You know for the uh in the wetlands area in the trees and and I think we should
have a bond u of 10% of that like 25,000 to make sure we do the work. Mark. Yeah. Oh good. Right. get to work and make sure the the the mitigation the plan things that you made on that I have I'm all fine with it. Yeah. I mean you want to make sure the work's done according to your plans.
Mr. Baker, I just want to confirm. Okay. Mr. Baker is the boss and he said yes. Good. That's always good to hear. So quick. Are you have questions? No. No, I'm good. Loren, do you have any questions? No. Mary, thank you. Um
is there any public input? Seeing none. All right. So, we have three things to vote on here. We have to vote to close the public hearing. So, someone can make a motion to do that. We can. I make a motion to close the public hearing for 12 and 17 Cherry Hill Drive,
D14-1438. A second. All in favor? I. Okay. Next up, we have to grant a waiver to allow work in the 50 no build zone, the 58 square ft that she uh mentioned. So, if someone can make a motion, we can do that.
I'll make a motion to grant a waiver to allow work in the 50oot no build zone for 12 and 17 Cherry Hill Drive, Dumber 14-1438. Second. All in favor? I.
Okay. Next up, we need to uh have a motion to issue the order of conditions with any uh conditions we want to attach to that. All right. Well, I'll make a motion that we issue an order of conditions for 12 and 17 Cherry Hill Drive, D file number
14-1438, applicant Miller, uh with uh the condition that um the applicant post a bond in the amount of $25,000. um any special conditions? Well, I think just as to further
elaborate on that bond, just to ensure that the work is done according to plan obviously and make sure that the plantings are are viable. Yeah. To ensure that the plantings are viable, to show that the work is completed as uh represented uh and when it isn't,
then the bond would be there to take care of that. Right. And okay, the motion's been made. Is there a second? Second. Uh before we proceed with the vote, just quick question, family. This the project
will be supervised, not supervised, but checked in on your article because Absolutely. There's a lot of work within the our jurisdiction. We want to make sure Yeah, we'll be checking in on that regularly. Yeah. And uh also the that the storm water business will get done. Yes, absolutely.
Are we saying we need someone there? Uh on I think I think they visit. Yeah. Yeah, we visit between myself and Brian Cassidy. We kind of make the rounds quite regularly. So, and I'll be checking in with the attorney man team throughout the process, too. That goes with any project. It's just good to reinforce it. Yeah. All right.
All right. So, the motion's been made and seconded. So, all in favor? I I Okay. Okay. So, good luck and we look forward to seeing the project unfold. Seeing that project. Yeah. Perfect. Great. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Good luck. Thank you. Bye, guys. Thank you. Okay. Next up is uh just want to make sure we're on the same a request for a determination of applicability for 216 Maple Street uh RDA file-2025-03.
The applicant is Boston Boston Gas Company uh doing business as National Grid. Uh and we have someone representing us online or Hi, good evening everybody. Can you all hear me? Good evening.
Great. Uh, my name is Tracy Set Halter and I just uh wanted to apologize for not being able to make it in person tonight, but thank you all for allowing me to discuss the project with you um online. So, um the proposed project is
to install um approximately 575 ft of buried um gas man within the right of way, the road right away in Maple Street um from the corner of Summer Street and then heading 575 ft east from that
intersection. Um, as of right now, approximately 40 feet of that um, proposed gas man will occur within bordering lands subject to flooding. Um, obviously there's a lot of um,
exemptions both within um, the wetlands protection act as well as um, I believe that you've also recognized the exemptions for um, utility maintenance. The project is mostly going to be utility maintenance. Um, and it'll be, you know, digging up within the roadway,
installing the gas, you know, replacing gas mains and then, um, you know, repaving the road. But approximately a small portion of this is going to be brand new pipe to connect to existing gas mains that are in the area. Um, so we don't think that we can necessarily
meet that exemption based on our description of work. Um so what we're asking is that both under limited project and um you know that we're an existing utility in the area typically there are exemptions for conducting work within the roadway that we can um go
forward with doing the work without no without needing to submit a full NOI. Um the project you know will go through dig up the area and then completely repave it. Um once the work is complete, there's no loss of flood storage as a
result of the project, which is really the main concern of um what the wetland protection act would be getting at for that area that is within the bordering land subject to flooding. Um it's already a developed roadway. It's going to be repaved to exactly the same standards that are already there. Um so
there won't be any loss of flood storage. um Boston Gas Company will use best management practices during um construction. You know, they'll utilize and that at the end of the document, there's a very large BMP document um
that the company utilizes during work to ensure that they're not going to be impacting, you know, or having any significant erosion or um runoff or things like that that would be applicable to the project. Um I've rambled on a little bit. Does anybody have any questions that I can
answer or are there any um concerns that I can address based off of the information that I provided? Maybe you or Emily could just um give us a quick overview of the limited project. I know we've seen these before, but just just to have it Yeah. Tracy, do you want to hop into that? The the limited project exemption.
Yeah, sure. Of course. Yep. Um okay. So, I'm just going to scroll through on my own things just so I make sure I don't say anything. Um, hold on. That's the wrong one.
Sorry. Give me one second. Um, so under, um, eligible limited project, uh, it qualifies as a public utility under 310 CMR 10.53D. Um,
and it would be so and could be considered beyond the scope of the utility maintenance provision. Um, another project. Okay. Due to the nature of the work and location, the minor disturbance,
I see this as necessary work. That's what I'm trying to get. Yeah, that's what they're saying with the Yeah. They have these limited parties because they have to go in and fix pipes, right? Yeah. And so part of this is to your um
the Denver's roadway will be going and doing work in Danver in the in the Maple Street road right ofway coming up shortly here as well. Um so obviously we want to get in and do the work prior to any paving that the the town's going to be doing or any roadway work that you guys are going to be doing. So we're out
of your way. Um, so that's part of why we're trying to get in during this construction season to make sure we're getting all of our work done prior to you guys getting out there and doing your own work. Okay, good. Are you have any more to to say or should we
begin with our questions? I think you guys can begin with questions. I you know, sometimes I feel like asking questions can help to drive the conversation. What is the timing of this project? Um, upon approval, we're planning to be out there. um and get it done within 4
weeks. So, ASAP. So, before winter and are we the only approval that you need? Yes. Okay. Um Okay, that's all I have for questions. Mike, any question? Question. Mary,
any public question, comments? Sir, Andrew Height, town precinct member four. Uh I'm assuming in this plan you are going to protect the storm drains like put nets or something on it so the stuff can't go in. Yeah, that's so um t as part of our best
uh best management practices, those types of items are taken care of and ensure that there's no significant um items that end up in there as um you know that's typically part of our erosion control just to make sure nothing ends up in there. So, yep. And I also know this is probably all the perview of this committee, but I I just
learned that this is going to go from Summer Street all the way down to Locust Street eventually. No. Uh, another project, the project that's proposed that we're here for, it's approximately 575 ft from the corner of Summer Street all the way
down. Um, if you're off of Locust Street, um, when we were working with town officials to ensure that everybody got notified, um, I believe that some of those areas got included just because of the regulations for what is required as
part of notifications. Um, so it the the area you're seeing is just the 575 feet within Maple Street from the corner of Summer Street headed east. Okay. Because I thought it was going all the way to towards downtown, too. Not this project, but another related gas line project related to this one, but
not I can't I can't talk about the other project. I don't know about it. I'm just working on this one. Sorry about that. Right. Thank you. Uh, and and I know you said you're going to start this as soon as possible, like this month, next month. Just like when school starts.
Yeah, it's it's going again. You know, we're in August and we're we're starting to butt up against the end of construction season. You know, snow will be flying before you before you know it. So, obviously, we have to wait for approvals and things like that, but the hope is um you know, once we get approvals, it should take approximately
a month um you know, give or take to complete the work. So, thank you. Okay. Thanks. Um, so is this public hearing? Uh, okay. So, we first need to do is uh
Bill, go ahead. I was ready to go ahead. So, we have to close the public hearing and give them a negative determination. The negative determination. Bill Brad Street town meeting member of
a precinct one. I know they said four weeks. Can they give us an approximate time of start? Not necessarily a specific, but an approximate time. Would that be
um I would I would say I would expect sometime in September, October. Yeah. So, I would say within the the next four to six weeks, um I would expect to see start of construction. Okay. Thank you. because there's going
to be a town project involved on Beaver Park Road coming down Maple Street from Summer Street. That was my concern because I believe the town is going to start some
kind of a project. Are you aware of that? Yes, that's Yes, that's why we're out trying to get this done. Okay. Thank you. Yep. Yep. and and Boston Gas Company is in coordination with the town on to make
sure that we're not overlapping each other. Okay. Ready for public comments? Uh okay. What do we think? We going to we heard enough. We ready to vote? Ready to go. Okay. So, first thing we need to do is close the public hearing. I make a
motion to close the public hearing for the Maple Street gas man installation DCC number 2025-03. Is there a second? All in favor? I. Okay. Now, we need a motion to uh extend a negative.
I'll make a motion that uh that we find that this is a limited project entitled to a negative determination of applicability. um that um the applicant uh ensure best management practices as stated in uh
staff comment uh and that u the will this work be overseen uh Emily? Yes. Um in other words to start this work do they have to go before the building inspector get permits? I believe so Tracy you may need other
permits from other departments. Um I'm not I can check with engineering. They'd be the first ones to check with. Should the applicant get all the necessary? Oh yes, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Tracy, they'll get all the necessary last uh thing. Uh should the applicant find out that there is additional work
that needs to be done if they come back? Sure. Does that sound okay? You know what I'm saying? Yes. In other words, if you say, "Oh, there's more here than we thought." Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yep. Nope. We're only going to do the work that is being permitted here and if anything else
comes up obviously we'll bring back another permit and come back. Great. All right. Thank you. That's the motion. Is there a second? I second. Yeah. All right. All in favor? All right. Okay. So, we look forward to seeing more
traffic disruptions and streets being dug up. Tracy, I'll I'll email you tomorrow. I'll get you everything you need. Sounds good. Thanks so much, folks. Appreciate your time tonight. Have a good night. Thank you. Uh, where we at? Next up, there's a request for certificate of compliance
for 35 Dodie A D file number 14-0883. The applicant is Edward Dari and Bob Griffin. Good evening. Uh, Bob Griffin on behalf of Ed and
Karen Dohy. Um Ed and Karen moved into this house uh approximately 2003 and in 2002 the commission issued a uh actually by the way before I get going uh there's two certificates of
compliance for this property on the agenda tonight and I don't know if you want to deal with them together or separate. It might be more convenient to deal with them together, but I'll do whatever you I think since they're agenda items, we'll have to vote on them separately, but if you okay, if it makes sense for you to to weave them into your
narrative, okay, feel free. All right. So, we'll we'll focus mostly on the house here at first, but um the house involved uh an addition this on the west side, you know, a porch, uh some second floor on the whole
structure, um you know, a variety of architectural improvements to the entire building and and basically updating it for modern use. Um in um 2003 while this permit was underway they came back with
a u request to add this pool. Uh and one of the interesting features of this site is that it's the town line runs through the property. So this area to the right to the east is in Beverly and everything else of course is in
Danvers. Uh we had to go to be to Beverly and get an order of conditions for the work in Beverly. And earlier this week, yeah, the uh Beverly Conservation Commission issued a certificate of compliance for the work in Beverly. So the Beverly side is uh
administratively complete. Uh the reason we're here is that the Dhys are selling their house. There's a real estate transaction pending. Um they never came back to the commission and requested a certificate of compliance. Uh so these you know that that sort of explains the uh the old nature of this order. So it's
2002 2003 was the modification for the pool. Excuse me Bob one quick sec. Did they do the original application for the order of conditions in 2002? Yes. Yes they did. Yep. And and you know they they've raised their children there um
and now the children are college age and maybe even a little bit older. And so it's it's time to turn this over for another generation. But um so and in this uh you know 23 years since the original order was issued, they have made some modifications to the
property that didn't go through the notice of intent process. And so I'm going to explain what those deviations are here. Um the first mo most notable is this area right here is a what was a sport court. So when the kids were young, there was a a playground in that
area and as the kids grew up no longer using the playground anymore. So they built a level sport court with a I think at the time it had a fence around it so they kept this you know the balls from going into the the BVW here. There's one of the characteristics of the site is
that there's a very dense uh mat of fragmitees that runs along the entire uh width of the property and when I look back at the 2002 2003 photographs that dense mat of fragmitees is not there. So that just developed naturally over the
years. But uh you know as a means of keeping you know activity out of the fragmitees or keeping balls and things like that out of the fragmitees. Uh they've added some rocks at the ground surface. And if we get to the photographs we'll we'll be able to
see those basically granite stones that demarcate photographs. There are some photographs that were included with our narrative. Um, and uh, does a I think a pretty good job of of demarcating the lawn from the fragmitees. Could we see those and then come back to this drawing? Of course, please.
I can I'll try to grab them here. Okay. Um, while we're looking for that, there was a minor change in the driveway. So, this originally was proposed to be a gravel driveway and uh, it's now a pvious paver drive. It's the kind of pavers that have
pretty good size openings in it. And Mr. Dohy recalls coming back to the conservation agent, he said, and talking about changing from gravel to the pavers and oh, and there's actually a picture of there. Uh, so his, uh, his driveway allows a lot of water through it.
Probably better for the environment than the gravel. Uh, certainly there's no silt emanating from the pvious pavers driveway as compared to a gravel driveway. Anyways, um and then if we uh go down to the next picture, there's a
blue stone patio and this is an open joint blue stone patio behind the building. So it it allows water to go down through it. Um so this was uh some I think sometime in the last seven or eight years this blue stone patio was installed. You can also see just to the left side of the photograph there's a
lot of peace here. There's pone basically underneath the deck and all of the roof drainage is directed into the pstone uh layer. So there's no um you know there's no signs of runoff sort of going directly into the wetlands or anything like that. The there's no signs
of erosion. Uh there was some stepping stones installed between the back patio right there and the driveway. Uh basically to make it, you know, an all- weather surface connecting the two areas. Let's look at the next couple pictures, please.
Uh this is the pool. Again, most of this pool is in Beverly, but the town line sort of cuts through uh just to the left of where that picture is taken. There's the uh upper portion of the pool deck. And so to the left side of the photograph is in Danvers, the right side is in uh is in Beverly.
Go on to the next. And you said that they received a certificate of compliance from Beverly. Yes, it was just Tuesday night. Um I was at the Beverly Conservation Commission. Was the work that they was approved from Beverly according to plan that was originally submitted? They uh there was
some deviations. Uh the pool shifted a little bit uh actually sort of moved from uh its proposed location to closer to the house. So that moved it out of Beverly a little bit into Damvers a little bit. Um there was some trees that uh were uh taken down over the years and
replaced with some pine trees. And so those were the issues that the Beverly Conservation Commission uh discussed. But yes, they issued a certificate of compliance earlier this week. Um, you can see in the photograph here, here's these granite stones that separate the fragmitees from the lawn. And it
basically those exist across the entire width of the of the property. Let's go up a little bit more. The next one, here's the uh sport court. This is the area that used to be a uh a jungle gym kind of a setup and then as the kids grew up, it became a a sport court. So,
that wasn't on the 2002 plan. There's that 48 in stump which goes up several feet. Uh but that was on the plan back in 2002. Um there was uh if we let's see. Oh yeah,
there's that rock border again demarcating. I actually like the rock border. I think it's a good it's a Betterman and it does a good job of permanently demarcating the lawn from the fragmitees. Um the bright area in that picture is is
that the water? Uh so the water beyond the fragmmites um this is uh again the area of fragmitees behind the the lawn here and uh this is the rock border. I'll show you that in the site plan. If we can go back to the
site plan now please. So this is that curving line coming back towards Dodie Avenue right there that that last picture was taken. So, you know, here's the fragmitees behind the lawn and then there's an area of salt
marsh. Um, you know, fragmmites requires fresh water to grow in. The salt marsh requires saline water. So, this is about, you know, the uh approximate mean high water demarcation between the salt marsh and the fragmite line. Um but uh
and and I also pointed out this out in my narrative. The uh the BVW line from 2002 is here. And there's a there's been a loss of BVW right here. So this uh pier was originally proposed to be 80 ft long. So it was about 10 ft further
back. It was built at 70 ft long. I I'm not sure why that happened, but there's a loss in this area right here of about 450 ft of uh you know what what probably was Fragmitees and now is lawn. Uh and so um again, Mr. Dhy and Mrs.
Dory like to sell the property and uh they acknowledge that some things happened without a order of conditions, but at this point we'd like to try to close the project out and we're happy to discuss any ways of mitigating for these issues. And that's what I'd like to discuss tonight.
I guess my my first general question is what has been the impact of what they've done on the the wetlands or is that even our jurisdictional area? Uh I guess I'm asking you know what's the adverse impact has it been? And that's
probably we should ask Emily that. So I I think that you know conversion of this little portion of BVW to lawn is certainly an impact. When I look at the health of the adjacent you know BVW uh the health of the the vegetation just
generally in the area it looks fine. I mean the property has been well taken care of. There's no signs of erosion. Um there's you know no sign I think what is a little surprising to me is has been the extent that fragmitees have occupied this whole strip here. Uh it again back
looking at my older photographs um it didn't look that way. I don't think the the dhies have done anything to cause the fragmitees to accelerate necessarily but you know we do have uh you know fragmitees as you know can just grow and grow and that seems to be what has
happened here. Was the area where it is disturbed at all? No. So they they never went into the BVW area with any work. I mean, I can see from with the exception of this little area here, they've respected that lawn edge that existed in 2002. So, there's
been no change there. Um, I I I think they've left it alone. I'm just ill at ease with, you know, all this work that, you know, they had permits for and then they did things differently and didn't come back until it was time to sell.
It is a little unusual. I I'll grant that. And um I was going to suggest tonight if you thought that a sitewalk would help sort of you know uh help us try to come to some some way of addressing this, we'd be happy to do that. The one thought that does come to mind is to the extent that you know we
could add some mitigation plantings over here to make up for the loss of the BVW here. Uh we'd be happy to do that. We're certainly open to whatever suggestions you have. The invasives that are there now really appeared there through nature. It
wasn't as a result of the the the work that was done. That's my that's my contention. Yes. Right. And and I think there was fragmitees in the area in 2002. I just don't think it was quite so dense and occupied, you know, so it wasn't so noticeable across
the property at that time. Okay. Just just as I get going here, I'm on a tangent now, but the uh the pier that goes out, does that go across a marsh? It does and and it's it's an elevated fixed pier and so it goes you know
that's done the way according to plan with the exception of this 10 ft that somehow got lpped off for some reason. The uh the pier is pretty uh as designed. There's a uh you know gang way here. There's a float and the float has the legs on it that were required. So I
I don't think there's any significant deviations in the pier sit on the mud. It's it's got the 30 in I I I don't think it's 30 in. back in 2002. I don't think we were necessarily requiring 30 in at that time. And there might be a photograph. Uh I don't know
if we have a photograph of that. Let me see if I can find that. Let's see. Where do you think is it? Yeah, you you can't really see the uh legs holding the float up, but they they're there. And uh there are a couple of photographs that just show the
general construction of the pier. The pier is uh again constructed pretty much as designed. Okay. Um All right. Any other questions? Well, yeah. I mean, I'd like to go out and see if anything needs to be undone. Okay.
Uh also, where the uh Fragmite is and we're now saying that's the water of the wetland now. Well, essentially that fragmitees have taken over that you know again it was undisturbed and left alone and the fragmitees have just occupied that area. So
So there was work that should have been uh would have or should have required them to come back before us. Agreed. That's correct. And it wasn't. So I'd like to see the nature of that. And also the uh border that you talked about that was put in.
Was that put in to try to stop the spread of the fragmitey or why was that put in? So, I think it was probably primarily to keep the kids soccer balls and toys from, you know, going into that fragmitey area. Um, and I think I I don't know that it really serves as a
permanent. I wonder if it should be pulled up or what purpose it serves. Well, I I think we should go take a look at it, but I think that what it does today is it provides a good demarcation between lawn and fragmitees. And so I think, you
know, it's obvious for a homeowner not to, you know, go past the the granite markers, the granite line. Can they address point? I like to address with Steph. So the the bordering vegetated wetland has probably changed over the 20 years.
Most likely. Yeah. Most likely this one changes too. Do we need to reestablish that or? Um, I mean, I can compare the plans from then until now and try to overlay them and see how much of a change there is. That would be good. Okay. All right. So, I'd like to co
and see, you know, I'm not saying I'm not for it or against it, but I'd like to see the I I know it's an unusual application, and I'm happy to to meet you out there. This is the thing we always try to avoid coming back so so many years. Yeah, we
always want people to come back and get the everything closed out two or three years. Okay, Lorraine, any questions? Same concerns that Mike has. I think going out and seeing it is the best thing to do. Mary, I'm good.
All right. So, uh I guess we can ask for any public comment if there is any. If not, we're just going to proceed with uh I think we'll have to continue and make plans to have a site visit. Yes. Yep. And I believe that the harbor master was interested in coming to the
site visit too to check out the pier. I was talking to him earlier today and he'd like to be part of that too. Yeah. Okay. And is the second agenda item the DP file number 14-0163. How does that relate to that? Do we
That's the pier. What's the the applicant applied in 2006 for permission to install the pier and the commission approved it. So he has two uh incomplete orders of condition. two applications. Yes. And the pier was uh chapter 91 was
granted and Yep. So, and it's done to plan. It's just just needs to be closed out with the exception of that 10 ft that I mentioned. Okay. All right. Well, why don't we continue on that too? Just so we get out there and see the pier while you zoom both. You know, the harbor master would like to see the pier.
Oh, yeah. Oh, good. Thanks for that. No, just we don't want to paint ourselves into a corner. Uh okay. So, uh, someone make a motion to continue. Why don't we do it? Just say items five and six instead of saying it all over again.
All right. I make a motion that uh we continue the uh hearings for uh the matter of uh 35 Dodia D file number 14-0883 request for certificate of compliance
and also the matter of 35 Dodie Avenue D file number 14-1063 also I request for certificate of compliance that we continue both those matters to the 28th we have enough time to get a site visit. I think so. We can get something in
before the 23rd. Yeah, we should because then we go I think we have three weeks after the 28th to the next meeting. Okay, I'll second. And we'll coordinate a time to go out there. Yep. Absolutely. Okay. The motion's been made and seconded. All in favor?
I Okay, so that's five and six. Uh notice of intent 46 Riverside Street, D file number 14-140. The applicant has requested that we continue to 828. Yep. So, someone can make a motion. We will
continue until then. I request we make a motion to continue the hearing for 46 Riverside Street, DP number 14-1440, August 28th, 2025. I second the motion. All in favor?
I. All right. So, next up is a notice of intent for 10 Tibbitz A D file number 14-14 41. And the applicant is David and Kristen Taylor. And Mr. Griffin is here to represent them as well.
All right. Thank you. This is um a relatively small building lot on Tibets Avenue about 8,800 8,700 ft I think. And uh in the last year uh the house was um rebuilt
and sold in the fall to the tailor. uh they've uh moved in and enjoying the property but would like to have access to the water through a very small uh pier and in some ways similar to the one that you saw at Dodie Avenue in that it doesn't provide you know uh deep water
access but it does provide uh access you know in the upper portions of the title cycle and uh uh certainly would be a nice amenity to the property. So they've certainly kept the property in in good shape since last year. The proposal is, if you remember, there was a a line of
shrubs in the backyard. Uh, and so the proposal is just to uh extend a fixed pier 43 feet from the shrubs over a salt marsh into the mud area and then have a uh 40ft gang way going down to a float.
And this float will have legs providing the 30 in of separation. Uh this is the 210 square ft that Danver requires. So, it requires a total of, I think, uh, let's see, six and 10 piles. So, we've
got two in the shrub bed here. We've got, um, two here in the middle of the salt marsh, I think, and two in the mud area holding up the fixed portion of the pier. Uh, and then we have two holding up the end of the gang way or potent with a winch set up so that you could
raise the gang way up in the offse or when a storm was coming. Um, we'll see that on the profile in a minute. And then a couple holding the the float in place as well. Um, the uh well, let's go to the cross-section if we could please. The next
we have a an overall street view where which house is 10 Tibbit. Oh, I can show you. And if if you remember the house that's under still under construction, this is right next door to it. That's the house that was demolished, right?
It was demolished. That's correct. Yeah. Okay. So, that that whole cove that's that at low tide there's no water there. You're absolutely right. Yep. Okay. And they're going to have everything up on legs. And do they want to have a boat? Um I I I don't know that they're
the boat either. I think this looks like more like paddle board, kayak kind of access. Perfect. Um but anyways, uh one of the requirements is that we provide um 4T of separation above the salt marsh
because this is 4T wide. And I'll talk a little bit more about this as we go along, but the typical requirement is a 1:1 ratio of height to width so that there's no shading impacts to the salt uh to the salt marsh. We also are required to have a minimum of 5 ft of separation at mean high water uh to
provide for passage uh under the chapter 91 rules. So this exceeds that by uh a couple of feet. Um and again we're just you know providing access out into the title cycle. We're not getting all of it. We're getting probably the upper
portion of it only. Um we received today a letter from DMF and DMF is changing the criteria a little bit on the shading impact. They're saying that what they really want to have is one and a half to one. So if we had uh a 4 foot wide uh pier that would
be one and a half of that would be six feet. So they want to see six feet of of separation here instead of four feet of separation. So the simple answer would be just to raise this up 2 feet. Uh I did have a little email exchange with Mr. Mrs. Taylor this afternoon and you know it's starting to to get a little
higher than they would like and so that what we will probably do is we'll reduce the width to 3 ft and then we'll end up at a 1 and 1/2 to1 ratio that would be 4 1/2 ft and so we just go from 4.1 to 4 and 1/2 ft. it would shrink the width at least at least in this first section
here this first 20 foot length um and uh anyway so and then we could go to 4t I suppose over here where we have 7 ft of clearance what happens uh the offse how much of that gets either removed or taken down or
so the the floats can be uh floated to a u boatyard and then brought up on land that would be my preferred solution Some people do leave them in year round. The gang way should be hoisted up out of
the uh so it's not going up and down all the time and is out of the area where storm and uh ice could potentially affect it. Um there's a little bit of work near the shoreline to uh they have a fence around the property so to tie the fence into this structure. But this
is a you know pretty straightforward uh uh wooden pier construction such as we have permitted in many other locations. Nothing there before. There was no earlier pier there that I don't I don't recall seeing any pier remnants in this area. No.
Um it's quite an improvement to that piece of property. It is 5 years ago. The the deck material would be plastic. So it'll either be TX decking or the or the throughflow uh decking that you've seen in some of the other peers. Um
uh anyways, that's that's uh pretty much all I have to say. Be happy to address any questions. Um, I don't have any questions at the moment, but Mike, do you have any? No, no questions. All right,
any questions? Any questions? No, I I I don't know. I guess maybe one for Emily. I was reading the Haba master's letter and I guess what I would like to know I mean he it's a compelling letter and he's concerned about the increasing number of private water dependent
structures being proposing. So like how I guess I'm trying to get a a vision like how many in the last year or two of these structures have been proposed. Is this becoming or is this anticipated to become more of a future issue of the town because of the number of private
water structures? going for deep water what they call so they want to keep extending and then you can't u you can't travel that's a problem so it's like so how many people I mean what are we talking about in terms of numbers is there do we have to be concerned about precedents being set
Chris's comments are for this or for the 46 Riverside they're more for um for the navigable channel would be more affected by 46 riverside than by this one um but that is something that myself and Chris and town council have been talking moving forward. So, it wouldn't
necessarily impact this proposal. Um, but it is something that we've been talking about with the amount of applications coming in for private uh peer and float systems. Um, we've been getting more and more of them. So, trying to figure out the best ways to regulate that to keep
public waterway access free and clear for the public. This a project of this size would be welcome. Yeah. Yeah. It's fairly short. It's only six miles. Guess I was just like the overall Have all the members been out on the
river? Because uh occasionally uh Chris takes us out and we look at some of the projects. I can ask them about that. That'd be great. Yeah. I'd like to do that again this summer. Absolutely. Summer's out. Nice boat ride before the summer's over. No, you love it. Yeah, it's great. We should do that. Okay.
You take Would you mention that? Absolutely. Thank you. Yes. I mean, one of the things I do want to point out though is that, you know, we aren't obstructing, you know, use of the the waterway in that we have seven feet of clearance from mean high water to the underside of the pier. And so that's really, you know, if you're in a kayak or a canoe or something like that,
there's plenty of room to get through that opening. These are 20 ft apart. Um, so that that's part of our design consideration. Yeah, it's just that that little cove too is just it's not navigable. It's not the channel is right far away. It is a different it's a
different situation. You're right about that. Yeah. Uh, okay. So, where are we at? So, we've had all our questions. There any public questions, comments? Seeing none, Mr. Bradshy again. Bill Bradley telling me you
remember me remember precinct one. I thought I heard the length of the pier was 10 ft. Is there anything that would prevent them from coming back and adding more length to that? Well, they have to come back and ask. No,
they can come back and ask. It'll be up to you. But if it right in harbor master comments and so forth. Okay. So, we're not hindering them from going further into the uh channel. No, they they have to come back and ask
permission. I like that. But yeah, this this this is nowhere near the the channel for the boats to get out. Okay. Thank you. I think this project is sized properly for the area. Okay. Actually, I think are there peers on the other side on the Beverly side?
There is. Um yeah, there's uh what's the name of that circle? Well, anyways. All right. And not far from there is all those kids I told you about that very long, but they're on the river. They're on the river. Uh Fosters Point is the area of Beverly that What was the name of the point?
Fosters Point is the area of Beverly that's on the opposite side of this. Okay. Uh Okay. So, I've lost my place, but I think our first vote is to close the public hearing. Is that correct? So, if someone can do that, are we voting on this
after we close the public hearing? Uh, why did you want to you want to go out for a visit? I think this one's pretty straightforward. I don't um Okay. So, someone can make a motion to close the public hearing. We will do that. I'll make a motion to close the public
hearing for 10 Tibbitz Avenue D number 14-1441. I second the motion. All in favor? I. Okay. Okay. So now we know decide if we want to issue an order of conditions for this project
and my feeling is that we should if someone thinks differently now's the time to speak. Otherwise let's make a motion to to do that. All right. I'll make a motion that we issue an order of conditions for 10 Tibbitz Avenue D file number 14-1441.
um that um that takes into consideration the comments from the uh division of fisheries August 14th, 2025 which specifically addresses the G pier gang way and flow to 10 Tibbitz and the
uh I think the compromise that the applicant made with with him regarding the clearance issue and the width of the the pier. Is that correct? Yes. And those plans will be submitted, revised plans. Yeah, I can, you know, obviously I can't
do it right the second, but you know, in the next day or two, we'll submit a plan to Emily and it'll show the 1 and a half to one ratio of width to height uh clearance over the salt marsh. Consistency with the recommendations from the division of marine fishery works for me. Okay, that's the motion.
I second the motion. All in favor? I Okay. And just do the second the second motion to grant a waiver to allow to work. I didn't see that cuz we did this one and we did that one
and we didn't do the second. Oh, good catch. All right. So, we've closed the public hearing. So, we have to vote on this waiver. All right. Well, I make a motion that we issue a waiver
to allow work within the What area? Just show us that on the plan. This is We go back to the next one. I think Yeah, I don't think that was discussed. Well, so um we have uh the 35 ft offset from the no disturb zone here from the excuse me, from the salt marsh here. We
have a little bit of work here with the stairs and a couple of piles in that 35 foot in the 0 to 35 foot zone. That's what that waiver is referring to. Okay. All right. Uh, someone can make a motion. Mary can do a cheap. I make a motion to grant a waiver to
allow work in the 35- ft no disturb zone for 10 Tibbitz Avenue DP number 14-1441. I'll second it. All in favor? I. All right. Let's do the whole order of conditions over again. So, Mike, I think you would have done
that. So, yeah. All right. Um so the uh now that we've granted the waiver which really was a prerequisite to issuing an order of conditions uh we going to uh issue an order of conditions to allow the work on
the condition that the applicant uh work uh work is consistent with the uh memo from the comealth mass division of fisheries dated August 14th 2025 which specifically addresses the pier gang way and flow to 10 Tibbitz Avenue that the
applicant has represented that they will uh uh refile their plans to reflect uh the uh changes they made to accommodate the the comments from the division of marine fisheries regarding the width of the
pier and the clearance issue. Correct. Correct. That's it. Motion's been made. Is there a second? I'll second. All in favor? I I uh two quick notes, Bob, before we let you go. uh there was no boat storage as
part of your application. So if the applicant decides they want to have a boat, they have to store it above the 30 in. Okay. Uh so or they have to come back and ask for permission. But we would say you have to store it can't be stored on the money. Oh, you know, I should have mentioned
one other thing. Did you represent that the um uh at in the offse the gang plant would be it would be raised up raised up. we incorporate and also the what about the
um the float at the end? Um it can either remain in place or be taken to a boatyard. All right. Is there a recommendation on that? Um I mean if it it wouldn't be in the mud if it rains in place. Correct. Well, no. I mean at at low tide in the
winter that the float comes down better interest to take it out because of ice. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Uh any other point? We have a Pete Pete wants to make a comment, I think. Well, the the hearing's closed.
No, once it's closed, it's Well, I could move to reopening. Uh no, let's just proceed. I'm sorry, but uh uh the your your other client 20 waited 20
years to come back for a certificate compliance. I just want to emphasize and I do this for pretty much everyone. You know, there's a three-year limit for these with one year extension possible. So, just try and come back for having the work done and getting a certificate
within that time frame. I I appreciate the statement. Good. Thank you. Uh, okay. So, now moving on to old and new business. Uh, I finally found all the minutes. So, I've reviewed them and I'm presuming the other members of the
commission have. So, I think I would like to have a motion to accept the minutes for all three of those meetings. So, if someone can read that out, we will do that. I'll make a motion to accept the minutes of the June 12th, 2025 conservation commission meeting and
the June 26th, 2025 conservation commission meeting and the July 24th, 2025 conservation commission meeting. I second the motion. All in favor? I I Excuse me. Can I vote on that if I wasn't here because I've
If you've reviewed everything then Yeah. Okay. I You're so thorough, Mike. I like that. Uh, and Emily, do you have any news for us? Yes, we have a new member. Um, sorry, this table's a little shaky here.
Um, he will be coming in end of August to get appointed and sworn in at town hall and, um, we'll be meeting with him, get him up and running and, um, he should be joining us come September. What's his name? What's his background? Sure. Uh, Derek Bergman. Um he grew up
in Danverse and has moved back to the area. He did my kids his age. Yes. He mentioned that he knew you. Yeah. Um he has moved back into the area and um is very excited to join to to get involved. Um and seems like he'd be a wonderful addition.
Yeah. All right. And I'm going to send him um recordings from some recent meetings as well so we can But he won't be at our next meeting. No. No, he won't be sworn in by that point. No. until after. Hopefully everyone's available for 8:28.
Yeah, 8:28. It's going to be U4 if everyone can make it. And um hopefully after that we'll get them in and good. Get moving. Good. There's an extra seat for him somewhere. Yeah. Okay. Uh make someone make a motion to adjurnn.
I make a motion to adjourn the meeting. All in favor? I. Okay. Great. Thank you all. Great. Thank you everyone.