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Part 1 (Video ID: 39kfgc9VDG8):
- 00:07:18: Meeting Called to Order: Planning Board Reorganization
- 00:22:22: Public Hearing: 156 & 158 Maple Street Redevelopment
- 00:25:41: Board Questions and Motion to Continue Maple Street Hearing
- 00:27:53: 40 Wayside Drive Perimeter Plan: Conveyance of Beverly/Danvers Land
- 00:35:48: Public Comment and Board Approval of Wayside Drive Plan
- 00:36:52: Public Hearing: 13 Popes Lane Contractor's Yard Proposal
- 00:48:46: Board Questions for 13 Popes Lane Applicant Team
- 01:01:15: Public Comment on 13 Popes Lane Contractor's Yard
- 01:04:59: Board Discussion and Decision on 13 Popes Lane
- 01:16:09: Approval of Meeting Minutes and Upcoming Items Discussion
- 01:17:20: Green Community Initiative, Land Use Summit Details
- 01:23:53: Additional Board Questions and Meeting Adjournment


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Bro, man. Okay, >> good evening everybody. This is um we're here for the uh >> let's try again. >> Yes. >> Good evening. We're here for the um uh the public meeting of the town of

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Danver's planning board. Today is Tuesday, May 12th, 2026. It's around a little bit past 7. It's 7:07 p.m. right now. We're here at Danver's Town Hall. Um and um my name is Lewis George. I'm the chair of the planning board. I'm

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joined here today by uh Jean Hartnett, our clerk, and by our members um Jim Sears, uh Mike Doulus, Dave Rodriguez, and uh John Sager, our associate member. So, and also joined by uh by Josh Mars

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with the uh the town of Danvers assisting as well. So, uh so why don't we begin? We have the agenda here. So um first item we have here is the uh planning board reorganization. And so the election of a uh of a chair and a

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clerk and you should have with you the um uh the planning board uh you know the planning board procedural rules. And the rules provide that at the um at the uh at the second regularly scheduled

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meeting in May of the of each year or at the first regularly scheduled meeting after the uh annual town election. The board must select from its members a chair and a clerk. So, this is we've just last week with the annual town election. So, we're having today we'll

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be having an election of a of a chair and a clerk. Uh, and so I've served as uh I've served as chair uh now for uh for two years and Gene Hart has been our clerk for two years. And so under our uh

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under our planning board rules, we do have the election every year uh under the procedural rules. Um just sort of, you know, historically or traditionally, we've had a rotation among the the chairs and the clerks. And so um and so

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um I've served as uh as chair for uh for two years. And typically you have a you serve as a for a two-year period. I've served as chair for for two years. Before that, I was clerk for two years and it's generally uh rotated um based

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on on seniority on my uh you know based on my uh by experience having served. So I've served for two years. So my um I'm planning on on stepping aside as chair and to you know to to to resume as

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serving as a member. But we do need to have a we do need to have an election. Um, and this is and again the the only rules that we do have is that that it be a on an annual basis of an election of a chair and a clerk. Um, I would

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um, you know, I would and so it's it's ultimately it's up to the board. Um, I would, you know, I would suggest and I would entertain a motion that our um that our current uh clerk uh Gene

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Hartnett be uh be elected as uh as chair and that Mike Dulis uh be elected next in seniority be elected as as clerk. Um and so but that's what that's a motion that I would entertain. Uh, and it

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probably should be done separately, but that's what I would that's what I would that's what I would recommend. That's what I would entertain, but it's up to it's ultimately up to up it's ultimately up to the board. So, I will leave it from there.

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>> I make that motion that we uh move to appoint uh Jean Hartnett as uh chairman, chairperson, sorry, of the planning board. >> Okay. motion. I'll >> second that motion, Mr. Chairman. >> Motion's been made uh by Jim Sears and

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has been second by Dave Rodriguez for Gene Hartnett to be chair of the planning board. Uh any discussion on the motion hearing? None. All in favor, please say I. >> I. >> I. >> I. Any opposed? None.

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>> Okay. Very good. Zette's moving on now to the position of the clerk. Um, >> I move to appoint uh Mike Tulis as clerk of the planning board. >> Okay. Motion's been made by Jim Sears. Is there a second? >> I'll second that motion, Mr. Chairman.

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>> Okay. Second has been made by Dave Rodriguez. Uh, is there any discussion on the motion? Okay. Hearing none. All in favor, please say I. >> I. >> I. >> Any opposed? None. >> Very good. So, we have a new a new

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chair, Gene Hartnett, and a um and a new clerk, Michael Dulis. Congratulations. It's been a uh I've enjoyed serving as as as chair, and uh definitely appreciate all the support from our my fellow members and from uh from town

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staff and look forward to uh to serving under your leadership. So, I I pass the gavvel over. >> Thanks, Lou. Thanks for your service for the past two years. So now I just take over. >> Yeah, boss.

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>> Yeah, we just keep going down. >> Okay. Um, so the Thank you. The second item on our agenda um is a public hearing for 156 and 158 Maple Street request for special permits, waiverss,

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and site plan review submitted by Peter M. Zagorski, Trustee, PMZ Realy Trust for properties at 156 Maple Street, map 43, lot 543 and 158 Maple Street, map 43, lot

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44. Request for special permit first went to section 18.5D.4 4 parking requirements table access parking section 18.13 design special permit build to zone facade buildout townhouse parking

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setback town houses street facing entrance town houses street facing wall width without offset mixeduse building street facing transparency ground floor upper floor mixeduse building of the zoning bylaw request for waiverss

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pursuant to section 18.5D.9D D point II I circulation individual parking spaces section 18.5D10B parking screening section 18.5D10 C multiple curb cuts 18.6

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F.3 transi transitional buffer zone building buffer section 18.11D transportation mitigation fee and section 18.8B 8.B table 18-9 outdoor amenity space types

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one neighborhood park preserve request of site plan review pursuant to section 4 site plan review of the zoning bylaw said properties are in the Maple Street Traditional Neighborhood Development Overlay District MST ND Maple Street

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Limited Mixeduse Subdist. The underlying underlying zoning for 156 Maple Street, map 43, lot 543 is industrial I-1. The underlying zoning for 158 Maple

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Street, map 43, lot 544 is residential 1 R-1. The applicant is proposing a mixeduse redevelopment which would include a mixeduse building, 18 residential units, town houses, 12 residential units, and an existing single sing single family house and

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associated site modifications. Um, and the applicant has requested a continuence to the May 26th 20 26 planning board meeting. Um, I see the representation for the applicant is here. >> Yes, thank you very much. My name is

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Nancy McCann. I'm here on behalf of the applicant. We did make a full presentation at a prior planning board meeting. Um peer review is now underway. It is not completed yet. As you recall, this went out to third party peer review. The applicant did make some um

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modifications to the plan based on comments that were received. So, peer review is now underway, but again, not yet completed. So, we're requesting a continuence without discussion to the May 26th, 2026 meeting to allow completion for the peer review. >> Okay. Thank you.

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>> Um need a motion or to continue. >> I would entertain a motion if to continue. >> Madam chair, may I just ask a question? >> Yeah. >> Um just a a preliminary question in terms of I believe is there a um um do

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we have a site visit? That's >> we we do or potentially. Yes. Uh yeah, I mean there's a there's a couple dates that were thrown out and a couple of you were uh available on a couple different dates. So it might uh it might be this might not be the appropriate

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time to kind of close that loop. But I'm hearing yes, that is the the goal at some point to have a site visit for this project. But >> the only question I had is that there was something going on. >> Yep. But we could talk at the end. Yep. That thing that >> is there a date for the third party

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review to be completed? >> Um, not a specific like deadline if that's your question. >> So, is there a chance that this May 26 date isn't able to be met? >> There is that is a potential yes. So, but we'll we'll work >> that bridge when we get >> Yes.

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Yep. >> Um, so yeah, I think >> Sorry, did you have a question for me? No, I was just asking if there was a chance that the third party review wasn't completed by May 26th. So, I just didn't know if we were going to have to potentially continue beyond that. So, I was just asking town staff if that was that's deadline.

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>> It's always a possibility, but I think if we keep the dates short, it keeps people on task. >> I like that. Yep. That's the the goal for everyone involved, but uh yes, that is a it it's getting close. Yeah. So, but we'll keep it going. Um Yep.

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I You're looking for a motion, right? >> Yeah. >> I make a motion to um continue the public hearing for 156 and 158 Maple Street to the May 26, 2026 planning board meeting. >> Okay. Motion made by Mike Dulis. Do I

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have a second? >> Uh second George. >> Second by Lou George. All in favor? >> I >> I >> Thank you very much. Uh the next agenda item is 40 Wayside

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Drive request by Folly Hill Associates Trust for endorsement of an approval not required ANR plan for 40 Wayside Road map 45 lot 129 as a perimeter plan showing the property lines of an existing lot. This property is in the

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residential 2R2 zoning district. >> Hi, good evening everybody. My name is Miranda Samasco. I'm appearing on behalf of the applicant uh Folly Hill Associates. Um and uh although I have

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appeared before the board previously on uh property also owned by this applicant um involving a project in Beverly. Um I just want to sort of clarify from the outset that this is part of the same tract of land owned by that owner. Um

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but this is the small 1.8 8 acres that is on the Danverse side of the town line between uh Beverly and Danverse. And so the purpose of this plan is um merely to depict it on a what's called an 81X

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perimeter plan so that it can be conveyed as part of the closing because right now it's an orphan parcel, if you will. There's a subdivision plan depicting all of the property in Beverly, but none of the property, this

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1.8 acres in in Danverse. Um, so I know that we've uh worked with staff to have the application um reviewed by town council. It's my understanding that they've signed off on this. Um, and we think it's a fairly straightforward

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application, but I'm happy to answer any questions that members may have. Thank you. Um, I guess we'll turn it over to questions. Mike, start with you. >> I don't have any questions at this time.

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Thank you, >> Lou. >> Yeah, through the chair. Just a question for um just with with respect to town staff. Any um any concerns identified? It was mentioned that town council looked at it. Did they identify any potential issues? >> No, it's just it's sort of a you know um

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unique situation. Um just um so it was just um you know there's there's no lot lines being adjusted, there's no new parcels being created. Um it there's a note on it that's that is

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not a buildable lot. Um town council has reviewed it. So um we were satisfied at from with town council and planning staff was um the plan was satisfactory and um we feel that it's appropriate for

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the board to uh endorse it >> and ultimately what's needed from us is just a just a vote that you know an approval of the ANR you know the application you know an a motion to approve the ANR plan for 40 Wayside

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Further questions, >> Jim? >> Uh, I don't have any questions. Thank you, >> Dave. >> No questions. >> John, >> no questions. >> Um, can you Sorry, I have one question. Um,

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can you sort of explain what this means for that land? like what a the perimeter plan is and how like how it would be left. >> Um I think I think I can answer your question. Um if I understand it correctly, the the perimeter plan will

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allow it to be sold along with the Beverly property, right, which is it's currently one property. If not for the fact that there's this plan that's been approved in Beverly, we could convey all the property. But now

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there's this new plan. And so this is this stray parcel, if you will, in Danverse that is not shown on any plan. And in order to convey it, we need to have a plan depicting the perimeter.

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>> Okay. Um, so once this plan is approved, when there's a closing on that property, this plan would be used to identify that small 1.8 acre parcel in Danverse that is not a

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buildable lot in and of itself, but it is land that the owner doesn't want to, you know, they want to sell it with the rest of their land. And the only way they can do that is to have to give good title is to have this plan uh endorsed.

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>> And it has to be done separately because it's in Danver versus in Beverly. Right. Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. >> I just have a just a follow-up question. Just a follow-up question for the applicant just in terms of and I'm just a little confused. So is there so with respect to the the Danvers Beverly

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piece. So is the is the parcel then will the par when the you know assuming the ANR gets approved will the parcel ultimately be a Beverly parcel or a Beverly Danvers parcel? I'm a little just confused. >> No, it stays it will still remain

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property in Danver. Um the town line is the same. So but it just it is a record plan if you will that the buyer is looking for to deliver good title to that piece of property. Um but its status is not otherwise

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changed. It's it's just really a conveyancing um issue that arises because of the subdivision plan recorded in Beverly. >> Okay. And without and without that then it would be it would be a problem with

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respect to conveying. >> Yes. >> Okay. Got it. Okay. Thank you. >> Just had one question. If it's part of a conveyance, are there future development plans for the entire parcel or is there is just kind of putting it all together now? >> Um those Yes, there are future

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development plans for the entire parcel which the board reviewed um a couple of years ago now or reviewed its jurisdiction, not not the project itself. The project is entirely in in Beverly. Um, it's just it's accessed

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through TR Lane, a portion of which is in Danverse >> and the Covenant. >> Sorry to bring up sore. >> I wasn't here for it, so I'm sorry to pick the scat. That's okay. >> Okay. So,

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I would entertain a motion for an endorsement. Is that how this works? >> Like an approve to vote to approve the ANR plan for 40 Wayside Road. >> An endorsement >> and the endorsement >> of approval for 40 Wayside Road.

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>> I make a motion to endorse a motion for an approval for an ANR for 40 Wayside Drive. Is that >> what we're looking for? Josh doesn't like that. >> No, it's fine. It's a I think how about um motion to approve the an ANR plan for

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40 Wayside for the ANR plan and an endorsement for 40 Wayside Road. >> An endorsement of the plan. So you're voting to approve the application and to endorse the plan as approval not required. >> Okay. And this is not a public hearing, right? >> No, it is not.

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>> Okay. Can we still have a question or No, >> that's your call. your prerogative but is the chairman. >> I >> Okay, I'll allow it. >> It's up to you, >> Mr. Brad Street. >> Just a minor one. Bill Brad Street, tell

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me they have a precinct one. Although what they're trying to do with this piece of property sounds like it's going to be approved, will the section that is in Danvas, will it still be taxed by Danvas? So, will we still be collecting taxes on it? it it yes it's a town of

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Denver's parcel and we're not moving the the town boundary so yes >> so we'll still get something out of this >> I mean I guess sure I guess yeah I don't know if we should look at it that way but yeah yes

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>> we need the budget Maya just ask and thank you thank you okay uh so motion made by Mike we have a Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> I

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>> Thank you very much. Is the practice to pick up the plan later? >> Yeah, we could. Yeah, we I'll we'll have it signed tonight and meet you and I can >> Thank you very much everybody. >> Thank you. >> Okay, next item on the agenda. This is a

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public hearing for 13 Popes Lane. Request for a special permit and site plan review submitted by Forest River Realy LLC for property at 13 Popes Lane 40 lot 14 pursuant to section 30.5 and table 1 table of allowable uses contractor's yard and section 4 site

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plan review of the zoning bylaw said property is in the highway corridor zone HCZ zoning district. The applicant is proposing to construct a contractor's yard and associated site modifications. >> Thank you very much. My name is Nancy McCann. I'm here on behalf of the

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applicant Forest River Reality LLC and Lassa Landscaping. With me tonight is Allison Williams and Lassa Deawara who from uh Lassa Landscaping. Also with me tonight is Jay Palakowitz, the project

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engineer from Hank Hancock Associates here in Dambers. and we are requesting a special permit to allow a con a contractor's yard as well as site plan approval for that contractor's yard at 13 Pope's Lane. Uh the applicant is the

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contract purchaser of this property and has operated a uh very successful landscaping business, Lassa landscaping for about 24 years in Marblehead and they are seeking to bring their business

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uh to Danvers and has have identified this about 1.8 acre parcel on uh Pope's Lane as an appropriate location for uh the landscaping business. Um, as you know, Pope's Lane has a number of uh

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contractor's yards as well as some large um construction uh companies along Popes Lane. So, this is a use that is permitted by special permit from the planning board um in the highway quarter zoning district. Currently, the property

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has a non-conforming use, which is a uh two family residential uh structure. That structure is also nonconforming as to setback requirements. And what we are proposing is to make the use more conforming by creating a use there, the

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contractor's yard that is a permitted use by special permit. And um we are proposing to remove a portion of the existing structure that isn't necessary for the office for the uh landscaping business and that will render the

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structure a conforming structure. uh as to that uh side lot line that is currently nonconforming. So we're eliminating uh use and dimensional nonconformities and we are creating a conforming use and uh and building. So,

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um the uh the property will be a landscaping business which allows exterior storage and really is defined as having exterior storage of heavy equipment and uh building type of

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contractor's materials. You see those areas located on the plan that Jay will go over with you shortly. um for the location of equipment that's associated with the landscaping business as well as hardscape and other types of uh of

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materials that are used in uh in landscaping. Um Jay again will go over the adequate parking is uh required. We're going to be removing a structure that is uh shed that's actually located in the no build

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zone uh and creating some replication there through the conservation commission. So that's another improvement that this project will bring. Uh we are decreasing uh imperous surface area, adding storm water um management features that are not

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currently there. So there's some good aside from the zoning benefits of eliminating some non-conformities. We're also doing some good um site work as well that uh that are improvements. Um this is uh is an initial phase for this

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contractor's yard and once the purchase goes through uh and the applicant acquires the property which hopefully if it's approved this evening will happen very quickly um there will be uh then some work started on a on a second phase

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that will come back to you for site plan approval for uh for some additional work on the site. But for now this is the initial phase. get this business into Danvers and operating in Danverse and uh and becoming a a good business in in

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town. So, I think um at this point I'm going to turn it over to Jay. He will walk you through uh through the plans. >> Good evening. Jay Pacitz with Hancock Associates. Um, so Josh, do you mind going to sheet three on this plan? So

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hopefully everyone can see the plan set over there. Uh, sorry. >> C3 or C4. >> Uh, so sheet it should P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P P PDF3. I don't know if it uh has a >> Okay, one moment. I'm sorry. >> Yeah, it's existing conditions plan. >> I think it's this. Uh, sorry. Yeah, this

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one. Existing conditions. >> Yep, that one. >> Yep. >> Okay. Uh so this is the existing conditions plan here. Um compared to the uh surrounding properties, this is a fairly large property as Nancy mentioned about 1.8

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acres. Um with Pope's Lane on the plan bottom, let's call it, which is actually east. Uh to the north is wetlands. To the west is the wooded area. Uh this site is predominantly wooded with the developed area being on that east side

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closer to Pope's Lane. Uh the building is a two family now. Uh as you look at it on the plan, the left side is what I would consider the original side of the building and the right side is an addition. Uh the site slopes down through the wooded area uh

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towards Pope's Lane. So storm water flows from the west to the east and eventually off to the wetlands to the north. Um do you mind going to the next sheet? So sheet C3. So this is our say preparation um essentially a demolition plan and

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erosion control. So we're removing the left what I call the original portion of the building. Uh we're moving that shed to the north over by the wetlands. We are maintaining all paved surfaces on the site. Uh the utility services to the building to be

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removed will be cut, capped, abandoned, uh removed as needed. Uh so can we go to the next sheet? It should be the dimensional regulation sheet. So as Nancy mentioned, by removing that left side of the building, this is becoming a conforming structure in terms

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of setbacks. Um that developed area that I mentioned uh is being converted into 3/4inch crush stone area and it is going to be a parking and storage area. The reason we're using crush stone is vehicles can drive across it. They won't be getting

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stuck in the mud, but it is still a pvious surface. Uh the only proposed impervious is a small bulk storage area to the um what's that? The south west, I believe the plan uh top right or top left, sorry. Uh so this would be

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somewhere where they can put some mulch uh and any sort of leftovers from a project. Uh because that's the only proposed imperous area. We're removing the build the portion of the building in the shed. Uh this is a net decrease in impervious area. So by default we'll be cutting down on peak rates and volumes

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of runoff while also increasing recharge. Uh 15 parking spaces are proposed in this uh in this site. uh 15 is what the um applicant has decided that they needed for this site and that's what's

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appropriate. Um and then can we move to the next sheet? It should be the site construction plan. So this plan shows uh proposed grading across the site. There is a slight increase at the um or site slope at the

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back of the site that we need to flatten out so the cars can maneuver throughout the site. Uh so we are flattening that out and to do that and reduced impacts to the wooded area to the rear we're proposing a small wall back there. At the moment we're calling a boulder wall.

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It's less than 4 ft in height. Uh snow storage is proposed in the corner of the site uh by Pope's Lane furthest away from the wetlands. Uh we want to keep all that snow away from the wetlands as much as possible. Uh and then we can go to the next sheet.

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So as I mentioned earlier uh the utilities to the existing portion of the building are being cut, capped, abandoned and removed as needed. Uh the two units had separate uh services. So essentially we'll just be keeping the services to the existing building.

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Um let me see anything else. Uh, and then Josh, do you mind going to the second sheet in the document >> in the plan set? >> Yeah. >> So, the the waivers that we are requesting are there in the bottom left.

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Um, all of these waivers are essentially sheet waivers, just what information is shown on what sheet. This is a fairly simple project and that's kind of what these waivers are outlining. Um, and I think that's it in terms of uh design. Uh I've provided in the application the

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hours of uh of operation which are pretty standard hours of operation for this type of uh business. We anticipate in the office itself just one or two employees would be there during the day and other employees would come in um park vehicles and take the the other

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vehicles to their site uh for for work. Um and the uh the parking as Jay said is uh is certainly adequate for uh for the parking requirements with just one or two office employees on uh on site. Um I

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provided in the application the um criteria for the issuance of the special permit and we certainly meet those criteria. I'll just go through those briefly. Uh social and economic community needs will be served by the proposal. The proposal will bring the established and successful business to

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Dambers and will bring the property into more use as well as dimensional conformance than existing conditions. traffic flow and safety, parking and loading are all all adequately provided as demonstrated in the um uh site plan sheet sheets I should say. Uh utilities

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are adequately provided. Um there is no negative impact on natural environment. Um we're decreasing uh impervious surface as well as removing a structure located in the uh conservation commission no build zone. uh there will

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be no negative fiscal impacts bringing an established successful business to Danvers in an appropriate location where we have other very similar uh uses all along uh Pope's Lane um together with him uh eliminating some nonconformities.

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Um again, we're requesting site plan approval as well as the U contractor yard special permit. Jay noted snow storage is provided on the plan and there will be no outdoor audio associated with this um associated with

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this use and uh we would be happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Um okay uh start out with questions from the board. Lou, do you want to start off? >> Sure. Yeah, just a few just a couple of questions here. And I think I noticed in

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the application that they did um that you have it looks like hours of operation it looks like 7 a.m. to 5:00 p p.m. Monday through Friday with some Saturday hours in high season from 7 to 3. That's still >> that's correct. >> Okay. Um and just sort of I mean

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understanding I think as you mentioned in terms of Pope's Lane has been uh has definitely undergone some some change and so this is an existing um two family um home. Are there in terms of the area in terms of Pope's Lane currently are

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there are there abuing um you know homes albeit understand non-conforming? >> There are no abuing homes. I think there may be one on Pope's Lane but there are no abuing this property. >> Two. Well, um I guess if I could clarify or whatever, um on the opposite side of

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the street, Lou, I guess if you look at the plan, I guess if you look at the screen, like my cursor, like on this sort of on this side, there's two single family houses, >> right? Further down Folks Lane. Yeah. >> But it's Yeah, it's approximately like 100 ft away, something like that nature

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back. And then there's the mobile home. There's a mobile home park at the rear of this property, >> right? Yep. Um to the left for context, the ve um is a brand new office. Like the first floor

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is like large garage bay doors and then like a second floor office. It's like a brand new building. And then >> that came before us not that long ago. It's >> 15 popes that came before you and 17 popes very similar also came before you

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and 25 popes most recently. Contractor's yard a little further down. Mhm. >> So, >> and then across the street, of course, you have Bitcon and what uh used to be Mantern is now EDG, which also came before you.

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>> Uh contractors, large construction. Those are heavy. >> Got it. >> Road construction uh companies. >> Okay. So just in terms of so in terms of the operations of the um of the of the yard. So we' be looking at not you know you

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know I mean landscaping business. So we're not looking at large buildings I mean large large trucks or that sort of thing. >> That's right. >> Okay. Got it. Okay. Uh let's see. There was another and just a question I had also with

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respect to the um sort of the the u the conservation commission. So it's so it's my understanding that a a notice of intent has been u submitted with them. So what's sort of the status of of that? >> The hearing is scheduled for uh Thursday

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night >> this Thursday. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Pretty that's quite straightforward. I think they'll be happy to see uh the encroaching structure in the no uh no build zone removed. >> Removed. Yeah. Got it. Okay.

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>> Okay. I don't think I have any further questions for now. G. Thanks, >> Jim. >> Um did you say there's a second part of this coming in the future? >> Anticipated. >> Hoping by the the applicant, but they need to get in there and get their

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business up and running. you care to give us a preview of what that might be? Additional buildings or >> potentially uh up further into the site. Uh it may be constructing a a building

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that is designed specifically for this type of use as opposed to uh rehabilitating what has been a home. This board didn't see uh what the board of appeals approved for this site um couple of years ago. It never actually

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came before you for site plan approval. >> No, it it did. >> Did it? >> Yeah. >> Okay. It did. You did see that. I I didn't think it ever got there. >> Fall of 2023. >> Yeah. It was a big um uh self- storage facility if you remember

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>> and a self uh self- storage facility and office building uh was proposed for this site by uh by the current owner. That did not proceed forward. Um this is a is obviously much smaller and uh what might be coming as far as the next phase would

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be significantly less than than what was anticipated for that self- storage building if you recall that was that was quite an endeavor. >> It was a much much bigger pro much bigger building. Yep. >> It was. >> But you still have the wetlands

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constraints. >> Absolutely. That's all I have. I think it looks like a good project. >> Thank you, >> Dave. >> No questions. >> John, do you have any questions? >> Ma'am, >> Mike, >> um, I just have a few questions. Thank you for the presentation. Can you just

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talk a little bit about what's going to be happening in between the 50 and the 100 foot wetland buffer? That's looks to be partially parking area. Like, is that going to be used for storage for anything or is that just curious? >> I'll ask Jay to speak to that.

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I can see >> the the colors are not they're helpful. >> No, the the the colors are the uh conservation commission's requirement, right? >> So the the yellow really fades to the black uh fades to the back. But yeah, so that that area it's going to be parking

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and storage. It's the way that it's set up is so that the building has you have the ability to go around the building in either direction. Um so most of that is just going to be access with a little bit of parking. Um, but it's going to be that crushed down material, so pvious

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material. Um, and then the types of it would be smaller trucks that they're parking there. Um, >> there's not plans for like materials or like gas or anything of that nature. >> No. So, that is something we did discuss with them. They don't store any of that on site. The only real storage that they would have is that bulk material at the

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back, which is mulch. Uh, they don't store any fertilizer or anything like that on site. Okay. Um, other items that they might store would be something like pavers, uh, concrete pavers, just anything left over. Um, but the the storage areas are mostly going to be in

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the back of the site where you see that bulk material storage area and then over by the dumpster, >> uh, which is outside the 100 foot. >> Thank you, Josh. This may be a question for town staff, but is there restrictions of like fertilizer or like gas or any of that kind of stuff associated with this because of the wetlands zone? Or maybe Jay, you do know

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the answer to that. I don't Yeah, conservation will have uh restrictions on what can be um done in the 100 foot buffer zone. >> Okay. Thank you. And then the other question is I know you mentioned snow storage which was in the corner of the site there. So does that mean they're going to take the snow from that back area and just plow it out front and

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store it in that zone like outside the wetland zone? >> Yeah, that would be on in larger storm events and small storm events. They can probably just push it off the edge of uh crushed stone, but once things start piling it up >> outside the wetland zone. >> Yeah, we want to keep it outside the wetland zone as much as possible. Again,

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that'll be a comment by the commission. So, >> yeah. Yeah. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. >> Um, I have a couple questions. Um, so it I know you have 15 parking spaces. What What are the required number of parking

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spaces? >> Contractor yard use does not have any requirements under the zoning bylaw. So, it's kind of up to the applicant to determine what's required and to present that to you. Um, and so that's where we come up with the number of parking spaces that we think we need.

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>> Okay. But there is going to be an office there, correct? >> A small office for the landscaping business that will have one or two people working in it full-time during the day. Other people will come in, they'll pick up a truck or they'll pick up materials in a truck and then leave their car there and go to the site and

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then come back. That's why there's parking that's needed. >> So, is there a required number for the landscape office? Is it just two for the two employees? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. Um and then is there going to be lighting on the site? >> Uh we're not proposing any new lighting.

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>> Okay. >> Um and that's uh that was one of the waiverss probably the the only waiver that wasn't really related to as as Jay was saying what what information is on what sheet. Um yeah, we're not proposing any new lighting. It's not necessary.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Um, and then as far as the special permit, so if if the use changes, then the special permit would expire. Is that how that works? >> It doesn't expire. Um, it the use

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if the use changes. If the use changes, then uh if it changes to another use >> that requires a special permit, then we would need that special then we would need another special. I guess your question, Jean, um the special permit is particular just to contractor's yard. Is

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that your like like it wouldn't be it wouldn't be an an all-encompassing special permit for any other special permit use. It would just be for a contractor's yard. >> Okay. Yeah. Yes, that makes sense. >> But if in four years they wanted to do a byite use here, they

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they could do a by right use here. But >> okay, >> not to complicate matters. >> Okay. Uh those are all my questions. Um, so this is a public hearing. Uh, questions from the audience, please just introduce yourself and direct all

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questions through the chair. >> Good evening. Uh, Fred Wagner. I'm from Shady Oaks Mobile Home Park. And the question I have is probably going to be answered with their uh second phase, but um what we're really worried about is all of the trees that are overhanging

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from lot 13, I mean or hopes 13 and uh overhanging the mobile homes and if those trees are going to be taken care of. Um the trees are dying. I mean, they haven't been touched in decades. Uh there's trees laying on the ground. when

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you hear the high winds coming through with the northeast uh storms, you can just hear them groaning, slapping together. Uh and we have had damage from um down branches. So, I was just wondering if that's going to be taken

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care of in phase two or later on in phase one. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. We're not proposing to do any work as far as this development is concerned in the back of the property where the really the rear of the property that

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abuts the uh the uh mobile home park. Um if there are trees that are uh that are dangerous or or uh causing a problem like any property owner you you look to take care of those. I believe um that

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this has been brought to the attention within the last couple of days perhaps by you uh to the current owner. Um and uh I believe you had a conversation with him. Um the applicant doesn't own the property yet, but um you know, it

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behooves anybody who owns property to make sure that there's not dangerous um trees and things like that. Uh but we'd have to identify exactly where the lot line is. That lot line has changed over the years. Um, so and it was changed

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specifically to move the lot line further away from the mobile homes. So we'd have to make sure that the trees in question are really on 13 Popes Lane. They may have been before. I don't know where they are now. Further investigation is needed, but

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property owners uh typically and uh generally going forward have to look out for where trees are on their property and whether they're proposing a dam any uh danger. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Brad Street. Oh,

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>> okay. Go ahead. >> Thank you. No, my name is Jay Flanders um at Shady Oaks Mobile Home Park as well and I just wanted to reiterate what he was saying. Um those trees have been neglected for decades and they're rotten and they're they're just they're really

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dangerous and when that wind blows you can hear them crack and creep just like he said. Um over the years there has been some damage to the homes that border 13 popes and um you know obviously we just want them taken care of. That's all I would say.

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>> Thank you. >> Again, Bill Brad Street town meeting member precinct one. Will perimeter of this property need fencing and some vegetation to hide it? There are houses up there. Not everybody

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likes construction yards, even driving by on the highway. Is there going to be some kind of fencing that would uh shield part of the uh operation from view? >> Thank you. >> Does the applicant want to answer that?

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Um, I'm not sure who we would be shielding it from because the operation is really very close to Pope's Lane and the house itself kind of shields the uh the storage of materials which is the contractor yard

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uh portion of this from anybody driving on Pope's Lane. We have similar uses as we just spoke of at 15 and 17 popes. And then there is quite a distance between um where any activity is going on which

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is uh which is you know perimeter is the uh the very short less than 4 foot retaining wall that's shown on the plan and then it's a very steep grade in the back which is vegetated at this point.

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So I think for this phase uh the answer is no. We don't need to put any screening or any fencing up to screen any anything from anyone who could see it. The property next door I believe is owned by the town of Danvers to the uh

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to the north. >> Thank you. Um >> I just have one further question. Uh is the covered carport a structure as far as um wetlands is concerned? It looks like it's inside still inside the buffer

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zone. >> The existing it's an existing carport. >> Yep. >> Is it? >> Yeah. >> Yes. I I think it is a structure. >> Yeah. >> So, how do we keep it there? >> Yeah. So, the the carport's there. It's

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existing. Um, it's within the 100 foot buffer zone, but building within the 100 foot buffer zone is not not allowed. Uh, the town of Danvers has a 50 foot no build zone, which we're outside of. >> Um, and where it is a pre-existing structure, um, you know, it's okay to

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stay. Uh, and as part of phase two, that would probably be moved. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Any other discussion by the board? questions. Okay. Close the public hearing

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>> if Sure. For we So just forformational, we'll have there's a special permit where we would have to close the public hearing. We vote on special permit and then we'd have to close the public hearing for the site plan >> and then vote on the site plan. So

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>> justformational. I think the board typically gives the applicant an idea of how things are, >> how you're feeling about this in in the comments section. >> Usually go down the row and say >> how you're >> how you thinking.

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>> Um I guess >> before you close the public hearing so that we know if there are any issues. >> Okay. >> It's up to the chair. >> Yeah. It's up to you and if you want to see, you don't have to like do a straw poll, but if people want to, you could ask the

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board if they if anyone wants to further comment, I guess. Is that what you're >> Yeah, you typically go along and say whether you're you have any issues. >> You can pull the I mean, typically pull the board. >> You can I mean, it's up to you, Jean, or >> chair's discretion.

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>> Okay, >> it's fine if you want to. just go down one by one. >> Just ask if people want to say if they're, you know, have any issues or supportive or sort of okay, you know, okay with it.

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You know what I mean? Doesn't have to be like how are you voting? But it's just like >> how do you feel? Your issues been resolved. You know what I mean? Isn't that what you're looking for? >> That's what I'm looking for. >> How do you feel? What are your feelings? So, yeah. Doesn't have to be how are you going to vote, but just

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>> Okay. Sure. any concerns that may prevent you from approving? >> Um, Mike, >> I don't have any. Thank you, >> Lou. >> No, I don't have any um I don't have any concerns. I do have just and this is more for probably down the road in

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understanding the applicant doesn't currently own the property but the concerns of the trees on the property and all I would be that's something I would you know you know sort of I would that's sort of not not anything nagging in the back of my mind but that's something that I' I want to that I'd be

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um that once we get on to phase two what have you I' I would want to make sure that there was that any of those concerns were addressed. Tim, >> I don't have any concerns. >> Dave, >> I think my only concern would be the

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comment that was made earlier as to not sure where the lines are uh for the parcel as it relates to pre-sale. Um would definitely like some clarity on to that whether it be a survey or otherwise some clarity for the surrounding neighbors that are here tonight, but also some of the surrounding neighbors

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that are there know where with great clarity where the lines are u very brightly. um that that's something that I know in advance of phase one phase two, but also for this particular phase, knowing exactly where the parcel is that we're voting on. >> The survey has been done and an ANR plan

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was signed by this board uh when the lot line in the rear was changed. So, we do know where it is. It's just a question whether folks who have been living there for a while know exactly on the ground where it is. There's no question about the lot line. It's just I I hear what

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you're saying and I and as we go forward and we're having discussion about the trees and looking at the trees, we'll make sure that the lot line is delineated because anyone who is removing trees wants to make sure they're not removing trees on somebody else's property. >> Very good.

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>> John, do you have anything you want to bring up? >> No, I'm okay. >> Okay. Um, has has the tree issue been brought up to the owner of the mobile home park because those trees may be on that

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property. >> That's That's right. I I became aware of this today when I was speaking to the owner of the property and I think he received the email from these folks just a couple of days ago. Um, I, as you may recall, I do represent the mobile home

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park. Um, so I will be reaching out to that owner. um tomorrow to see what his thoughts are on the trees and and all of that because it he does own that land. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yes. Go ahead.

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>> Oops. Right. Fred Wagner, Shady Oaks. Um, on the back of the homes where the new lot lines are, we actually have stakes and the stakes are all orange on the top so we know exactly where the lines are and none of the trees are on our side of the

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lot. >> Okay, thank you. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> Jay Flanders Shady Oaks. Well, um the the trees that are there, you know, again, they've just been very neglected and um they are not on as as you know,

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like he said, there are stakes and you can clearly see where the line is. None of them are, you know, close in on they're all rooted there. So, okay, >> that's basically the same thing. >> All right. Well, thank you for bringing that to the attention of the board. Um,

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it sounds like they're going to try and figure it out. Um, and I don't have any issues with this uh site plan or special permit. So, um, I would entertain a motion to close the public hearing for the special

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permit and site plan review. Just one at a time. >> Yeah, one at a time. >> Okay. So, just the special permit. >> Yep. So moved. >> Second the motion. >> Okay. Motion made by Mike, seconded by Jim. All in favor? >> Well, I don't know. I don't know if Mike made >> the motion. Did you just second?

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>> She made and then I moved >> her. No, you need me to actually say it. >> Yeah, I want you. Yeah. >> Uh make a motion to close the public hearing for the special permit for 13 Popes Lane. >> Second. >> Motion made and seconded. All in favor

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say I. >> I. >> I. >> And we do the site plan. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. >> Or the special permit decision. >> Special permit decision. >> Yeah. Read that first. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. >> Um, grant a special perm for 13 popes

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Lane. This is to certify that at a meeting of the Danverse planning board held on May 12th, 2026, having been requested under section 30.5 in table 1, table of allowable uses of zoning bylaw for property located at 13 Popes Lane, Assessor's Map 40, lot 14. It was voted to approve the request submitted by

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Forest River Realy LLC for a special permit to allow a contractor's yard as shown in the following plans. Site plan entitled permit site plan 13 Popes Lane Dammer Massachusetts 01923 prepared by Hancock Associates dated March 20th 2026 consisting of eight sheets. Supporting materials include storm water report

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prepared by Hancock Associates dated March 2026. The planning board grants a special permit pursuant to section 30.5 of the zoning bylaw required findings for issuance of special permits and finds all the following criteria have been satisfied. Social, economic or community needs which are served by the

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proposal. traffic. Two, traffic flow and safety, including parking and loading. Three, adequacy of utilities and other public services. Four, compatibility with size, scale, and design of other structures in the neighborhood. Five, impacts of the on the natural environment. Six, potential fiscal

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impact, including impact on town services, tax base, and employment. Conditions of approval. The project is subject to the following conditions. Prior to issuance of a building permit, this special permit decision shall be recorded at the Southern Essex Registry of Deeds. Two, the applicant shall satisfy all the comments of the Danverse

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engineering division memorandum dated May 1st, 2026. Three, if there are any changes to the approved plans, the use or the conditions on premises, planning staff will review. If deemed a major change by staff, the applicant will have to apply for a modification to application to application to the special permit. Any approval of the

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special permit shall lapse within 3 years of the from the grant thereof if construction is not begun by such date. Not Lou George, chair. Gene Hartnett, chair. >> Okay. A motion made by Mike. Do you have a second? >> I second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I

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>> I. >> Okay. So, now we can close the public hearing for the site plan review. >> Make a motion to close the public hearing for the site plan review for 13 Popes Lane. >> Second motion. >> Motion made by Mike, second by Dave. All

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in favor? >> I. The dammers planning board finds a site plan submitted by Forest River Realy LLC for property at 13 Popes Lane, assessors map 40, lot 14 to be in substantial compliance with the criterion and regulations adopted by the town. Details of the plan review can be found on the

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following plan. Permit site plan 13 Popes Lane, Dammer, Massachusetts 01923 prepared by Hancock Associates dated March 20th, 2026 consisting of eight sheets. Supporting materials include storm water report prepared by Hancock Associates dated March 2026. The following submission requirements have

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been waved. 4.3.1 title sheet. The land use of each lot is not shown on the plan. Existing contours are shown at one foot intervals on the existing conditions plan. 42 4.3.2 site analysis plan. Site analysis plan is entitled existing conditions plan. Existing contours are shown at 1 ft intervals.

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All trees over 6 in in diameter at breast height and a note containing the number and total DBH of all trees with a DBH greater than 6 in is not shown on the plan. Test pit locations and results are shown on the site construction plan C5 3 4.3.4

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site section site construction plan the dimensions of drives and parking areas are shown on the dimensional regulation plan C4 a table indicating amount amounts of earth material that are to be removed added or reused on site is not shown on the plan four section 4.3.6

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Six, utilities plan. The profile of the utilities is not shown on the plan. Five, section 4.3.7, landscape plan. No landscape plan submitted. The yard setbacks in a table showing the percentage of existing and proposed impervious surfaces surface is shown on the dimensional regulation plan C4. 6

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section 4.3.8 off- streetet parking and loading plan. The off- streetet parking and loading plan is entitled the dimensional regulations plan C4. The construction details and type of materials are shown on the detail sheet C7 7 section 4.3.9 lighting plan. No lighting plan submitted. Conditions of

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approval. The project is subject to the following conditions. One, prior to the issuance of a building permit, the site plan decision shall be recorded the Southern Essex Registry of Deeds. Two, the applicant will satisfy all the comments in the Dammer Engineering Division memorandum dated May 1st, 2026. Three, if there are any changes to the

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approved plan, the use the conditions on premises, planning staff will review. If deemed a major change by staff, the applicant will have to apply for a new application for a site plan review. This project is subject to the attached list of general conditions. Any approval of this site plan review shall lapse within three years of the from the grant

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thereof if construction is not begin by such date. Gene Hartnet, chair. >> Motion made by Mike. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Second by Lou. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Okay, next um item on the agenda is the

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meeting minutes. Did everyone who is present read and anybody have any comments, concerns, modifications? Uh, can I have a motion to approve the

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meeting minutes from >> Make a motion to >> do not approve the meeting minutes from March 10, 2026. >> Motion made by Mike. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Seconded by Lou. All in favor say I. I.

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>> I. >> I. Um Josh, what do we have coming up? >> Okay. Do we want to start with that potential site visit fund or do we want to do some

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easier things? Let's do easier things, right? Or do we want to do I'll just do All right. >> Were you trying to figure that out live right now or are we >> We don't necessarily have to. >> Okay. That might be easier for us to all look at our calendars. >> Yes.

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>> All right. Can we just give the general sort of guide timeline genally? >> Yes. I'll get to it last though if that's okay. >> So upcoming things on Monday, May 18th is town meeting. So on Monday coming up

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at 7:30 at Danver High School. Um we haven't been uh significantly involved with this but we will likely this I'm pivoting another item but um there was a in the past year

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or two there was a Denver's resilience plan and out of that or sorry that process or that planning initiative was a climate action was a is a Casper plan also known as climate action

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sustainability preservation and resiliency plan. And out of this plan that the town approved or adopted, one of the recommendations or actions was for the town of Danvers to

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potentially or have the conversation whether we want to become a green community. And to become a green community, um we're not going to get into it all right now at this moment, but there's like five criteria and then the town become a green community. and then we would have

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access to financial resources that we otherwise wouldn't be. So, one of the beginning items of this is we are there's going to be a um a green communities kind of informational session like webinar on

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Wednesday, June 3rd at 700 p.m. um that if you folks are available or interested would be great for you to attend. And um sort of in along those lines with the green communities thing sort of um

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we're also having our kind of our yearlier by annual uh land use summit on Wednesday June 17th in at the senior center either at 6:30 or 7

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and that's when we're going to kind of talk about um sort of oursent board and the select board and ZBA kind of sort of do like a a hierarchy of like

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kind of like zoning initiatives or planning initiatives that we would like to kind of work on um for February special town meeting February 2027. included in that as we speak is the

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there would be a bullet. Um the green community I guess we're trying to as a community the green communities if it we are to kind of move forward and keep it going and it's something that the community wants to pursue the general bylaw and zoning bylaw things that would have to be amended

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would um be on that February 2027 also. So um that's sort of items for you folks to know about and or attend or participate if you are interested and available. Um

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in terms of our next meeting on May 26th um particularly our stuff is um three applications as we speak. Um there's the 156 Maple that we continue to that meeting. the 54 Cherry the 54 Cherry

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Hill Drive, the Abomad application regarding the building expansion and the parking expansion that was discussed at a prior meeting but going to continue to the May 26th. And then opening the public hearing for 103 High

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Street, which um is a proposed expansion to the right at Daily Harvest, a building expansion to the right side of the building. um for storage and freezer space. So, as we speak right now at our next upcoming meeting on May 26, there's

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three applications as Mike alluded to earlier. We'll see if 156 is um ready to have a productive conversation and we'll we'll see um we'll see what happens with that. Um we are working with the peer reviewer

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and trying to get that all lined up. And I guess in terms of the 156 Maple Street site visit, um, at least the two dates that kind of zero it in on May 19th, Tuesday, May 19th, two of you could attend. And then

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on Thursday, May 21st, two of you could attend that one. So there's not really hasn't been a date that we're like three to three people plus. Yeah, of course. >> So on the survey, it was like you could only pick one. So that made it >> Oh, >> wait, really? No, I think it's just because it's quirky. >> Oh, okay.

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>> Yeah, you could pick >> to pick like within half hour like each time. >> Oh, maybe that was just me then. >> It's a very Brian found this really f it's a really quirky website, right? It feels like >> it's like doodle but it's like a >> it's a version. It's a free but it's kind of you get what you pay for type

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situation, right? So, because it's free, it's uh very very very basic. >> Okay. >> So, >> okay. >> Um yeah, I'll work on that a little bit. Um, you know, obviously everyone's busy and everything's happening, but um I'll

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Yeah. Um, there's the potential if I mean, how do you folks feel? Do you feel like if we're leaning towards it likely being continuing and not happening on the 26th? Is it better in terms of your mind and like memory? Like would you like

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does it matter if it was like a month? Like if you went to the site, would you would it would it be better or more beneficial for you folks if it was sooner to the application like we were talking about it or like >> is a month like too much? Is like oh I I remember a month ago we visited the site

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and now we're talking about a month later. >> Does that matter? Is there any comments about that? Like is a month fine? >> I have a bad memory sometimes. So I think >> so. So like wouldn't where I sit I think it would be more beneficial to like have the site visit closer to the hearing as

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possible. But if you folks think it doesn't matter at all. >> I'm away next week so I can't sure go either day. >> Yeah. But um okay I'll try and that's my I'll keep sending emails out and eventually we'll we'll make it there. But yeah that's fine.

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>> Um >> Josh there's a question on the um the green >> yes >> eco-friendly thing. Is that Did you say that's going to be voted on at town meeting? >> Well, that's if we were if we the administration and town officials

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leadership is we're trying to gauge whether this is something that the community um is supportive or wants to move forward or you know if there's significant if there's like you know >> a meeting next week. >> No, no, no. I'm saying the T. No, the community like I'm saying no. I was talking about February 2027. Is that

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your question? >> Yeah. So I'm just wondering but we're going to talk about it. >> We're going to talk about it. We're going to have a webinar and then at the land use summit we're going to like >> have conversations and discussions and if it's something that the community, the planning board members, the select

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board, ZBA and the community sort of write a broad >> comment. um if we feel like there's general support in moving forward or pursuing it, that's where it would like line up in terms of schedule. Does that your question

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>> other cities and towns that have adopted it or is this Yeah. >> Um almost I don't want to advocate too strongly, but >> looks like 29 >> the last two have >> there. We're like only we're like one of

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the only Northshore communities that's not and it's it's almost I think it's might even be over 300 or 290 of the 351 communities in Mass. So uh >> 298 >> we would not be um yeah we wouldn't yeah

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we would we're kind of a little late to the party. >> Not to advocate strongly but we're kind of like yeah >> behind the >> Yeah. We're in the minority and and not having adopted it. That makes >> what they're going to be talking about at town meeting is the Casper plan that include that green two communities is

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part of the Casper plan. >> Correct. Yeah. Right. >> Is there any association with the stretch code with this? >> That's a big piece of this. Yes. >> So we would become stretch code. >> The stretch code is a one of the five criteria to become a green community.

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>> Yeah. I know from the stretch code standpoint we are definitely one of the few damisk communities who are not stretch code. >> Yes. Um and that probably >> at home stretch code. >> What's that? I'm sorry. >> For those who are at home stretch code. >> So that is a I am learning also this isformational for everyone. Uh it is a

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just a more it is a more energyefficient building code. There's a more stringent energy efficiency energy efficient code that we would then follow in Danverse that other towns have adopted. So when those towns adopt that there's basically more stringent requirements to meet energy

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efficiency within buildings. It's almost like an overlay to the building code >> for new construction or for all all different >> new construction and >> and renovations of existing >> major renovation which the consultants helping us I was like >> major renovation basically >> define what that is

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>> it has to yeah so it has to do with the um over 30% of the fair market value of the building basically. So, if you were to do a renovation that costed cost a certain amount of money over the value of the building, not in the site, just the building, um you would then have to meet those stretch codes qualifications.

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>> Okay. So, putting in new windows or something in a 19 28 home or something wouldn't be the >> correct. I think it Yeah. And that was the question I actually had. So, I would like to be able to answer this question very well. Um it was new. So, if you're building a brand new house, yes. So I

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guess the only question I have is myself >> what is major renov major renovation >> commercial and residential >> I believe so yes >> I deal with it on the commercial side so I'm not sure about the single family side um but >> I would assume so yes but I could but the but at this webinar

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that seems great um or I think informative I guess should have been the word um we would learn all of those things >> that's on June 3rd >> yes and then we will um on the land use summit it will be a

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bullet point as one of like one of like you know 5 to 7 or 5 to eight things that we're thinking about about potentially adding to you know having hearings and conversations about for February of 2027 >> and would that stretch code and other

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things basically be established once it was voted on next February 2027 like that would be the time frame that it would start so anyone basically applying for building permits at through that point would then have to meet stretch code requirements. >> That's how I >> there's no like leniency period or something. >> I don't think you'reware.

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>> It's probably like it's probably right. It probably wouldn't be adopted until town meeting adopted it. >> Sure. >> So yeah, so between now and February, you would it would be that I learned about it today. The base code >> base code. Yeah. >> That's what we're at. But we almost

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every surrounding so even well we don't have to get into it too much but um there's even there's even a level above stretch code that even the majority of communities around us have even they've even gone like they're like two tiers above us but

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yeah it's interesting. >> So is this webinar something we can just access from >> Oh yeah home not have to >> No no no we're going to it's just yeah we don't have to physically it's not just a >> it's not here. What's that sir? >> It's not a public meeting. >> Not a public Nope. It's just completely

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informative. Um we It's not just for planning board or sle. That's literally for everyone in town. Like anyone and everyone like >> is that a certain time it's going to >> 7 7:00 to 8:00 p.m. But I'm sure we will record it and we But >> so you can always watch it after. >> You can always watch it after. I'm I'm fairly certain of that. But it if you

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had it's very informative. It's uh it's like an educational thing. Um, if you did have questions, it would pro it would be a good time. It the people involved are pretty informed. Um, so it was I've had a lot of these

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conversations the past couple days. So, >> is this something that we can add to one of our agendas between July and February to have someone come and talk about it like we do with >> Yeah. >> other things? >> Yeah. The chair. >> Yeah. You're you're in charge.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. coming up. Um yeah, because so we'll have the webinar at land use summit. They will be there. It will be because there's so many items at land use. It's not going to like take up like the whole night. But but yeah, we could

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if we feel like it would be informative to have a half an hour, 45 minute or hour, whatever. We have to put a time thing. >> If we if you think it would be beneficial to the group and we all learn together, um we could I'm sure the folks that we're working with be very happy to

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meet with us and talk with us. So, >> okay. >> Yeah, we could certainly do that. >> Just a question about the Oh, I'm sorry. Did you >> go ahead? >> Just a question about the um the land use summit. >> Yes. >> So, is that going to be also um I'm going to be doing a little bit of travel

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during that. Is that going to be available? Is that going to be a virtual alternative as well? >> We could potentially if we could potentially do that. Um if that I now that we have it we did at least once or twice in this room. Mhm. >> I think it was you and or Tori that was

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away in Europe, I think, and we had the fun exercise of trying to do the TV screen, but >> I only maybe I just remember those fun those fun moments. Little >> tricky, but >> but yeah. Yes, we could uh we could try and be as accommodating as possible. Okay. >> Y

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>> So, we meet the day before, >> right? >> Um >> No, I don't think so. That's why we did it. >> We picked that date for that reason so we wouldn't >> the week before. So we're on the n soformational. So we have May 26, >> we have then June 9th, and then we have

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June 23rd. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> And then we are summer schedule just once a month. >> So is it the second or fourth of the >> Yeah. >> Which one is it? Do we know or not? >> Oh, so it's just sort of random and we could as we speak right now it's July 14th.

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>> Okay. I guess as we speak at this moment, is that a time that people are away or not away? I mean, I guess if several of you were not available, I we could move it or >> works for me. I think >> it's fine for me. I'm around.

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>> Okay. I won't be at the June 8th meeting. >> I'll be away. >> June 9th. >> 9th. Sorry. I'm not at that meeting. I'm away. >> Okay. >> Just a heads up. >> June 9th. I think I've mentioned to you Josh earlier that I'm um I will be a June 9th but I'm going to be um

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>> but the 20 >> 26th I'm going to be on a >> May >> road trip. >> So >> the third you're talking about June the 30th you're talking about. >> No you say Louis talking about May 26th I think. >> Oh May I'm sorry. >> The next So the next meeting you're not here right? >> Correct. >> And then not to go too far Josh but is

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August the 2nd or >> August right now as we speak is >> 11th to the 25th. I might be away for that one too, but to know >> we could work with we could be we could be in the summer we could be very creative. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Um but yeah, so yeah, the next couple

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weeks will be, you know, um fairly decent active and then >> I have a question. >> Probably calm down a little bit in the summer. A little bit. Yes. >> Just a question. Um >> uh just in terms of upcoming things and this is just coming from my pri um housing production plan.

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>> Yep. >> Is that >> Yep. Where are we in? Because I know that that was something that they needed to come back to us and get some y >> um a vote. >> Yes, that is very likely our next meeting on the 26th. >> Okay.

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>> But it's at like the 99% level. I'm just like working with a consultant about like um grammatical and like you know small things. So I just wanted to make it like 100% before we came here. Um but as we

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speak, thanks for bringing that up. Um it's very very likely the 26th with the next June 9th. >> Yeah. As the next >> in for May 26th. That's I'm not a gene. I'm not an absolute no on that one. I'm I'm traveling. So based on where I am at

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that moment, I might be able to jump on. >> Okay. >> Um but yes, thank you for bringing that up, Lou. >> A lot of these have like a lot of moving parts to them, but yeah. Okay. So, we're good. I >> think so.

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>> Um I would entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> Move to adjurnn. >> Second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Right in. >> All right.