WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=sYKqBDDzxpA NOTE MEETING SECTIONS: Part 1 (Video ID: sYKqBDDzxpA): - 00:01:40: Danverse Planning Board Meeting - Cherry Hill Drive - 00:06:41: 54 Cherry Hill Drive Site Plan Review - Abom - 00:07:15: Introduction of Project Team - High Point and Genesis - 00:08:32: Site Overview and Existing Conditions Presentation - 00:09:54: Overall Site Layout, Zoning, and Proposed Development - 00:10:53: Erosion Control Measures and Building Footprint Details - 00:12:44: Industrial Zoning, Parking Expansion, and Building Features - 00:15:41: Grading, Drainage, and Stormwater Management Plan - 00:17:53: Utility Plan, Fire Line, and Hydrant Details - 00:19:04: Landscape Aesthetics and Pedestrian Circulation Discussion - 00:20:24: Stormwater Treatment, Green Spaces, and Plantings - 00:22:37: Photometric Plan and Dark Sky Compliant Lighting - 00:23:49: Building Architecture and Interior Design Concepts - 00:25:46: Office Space Layout, Flex Seating, and Amenity Spaces - 00:28:42: Building Scale, Connection to Existing, and Construction Phase - 00:30:00: Conservation Commission NOI Submission Status - 00:30:34: Staff Comments, Traffic Study Waiver Request, and Permits - 00:32:13: Board Questions - Fire Truck Turning Radius - 00:32:37: Board Questions - Building Heights and EV Charging - 00:33:25: Board Questions - Pedestrian Pathways and Flat Surfaces - 00:35:10: Board Questions - Existing Building Slope and Height - 00:36:14: Board Questions - Snow Removal Plan and Triggers - 00:37:36: Board Questions - Location of Snow Removal Areas - 00:39:30: Board Questions - Snow Storage and Buffer Zone - 00:40:20: Board Questions - Native Vegetation in Stormwater Basins - 00:41:22: Board Questions - Stormwater Basin Depth and Drainage - 00:42:15: Board Questions - Black Gauge Fencing and Safety - 00:44:17: Board Questions - Equipment Access and Safety - 00:45:05: Board Questions - Water Source for Landscaping Irrigation - 00:46:59: Board Questions - Hours of Operation and Shift Schedules - 00:48:24: Board Questions - Solar Panels and Ownership - 00:49:31: Board Questions - Native Plants, Drought Resistance - 00:50:08: Board Discussion - Town's Stance on Watering - 00:53:06: Applicant Commitment - No Watering During Water Ban - 00:54:10: Additional Details - Irrigation System and Water Sense - 00:54:27: Board Questions - Construction Phasing and Staging - 00:55:50: Board Questions - Parking Loss During Construction - 00:56:38: Public Comment - None - 00:57:13: Continue Site Plan Review to May 26th Meeting - 00:57:47: Development Team Questions on Submission Deadlines - 00:59:44: Motion to Continue the Application to May 26th - 01:00:34: Approval of Meeting Minutes from March 24th - 01:01:23: Upcoming Meeting Agenda and Site Visit Discussion - 01:04:05: Motion to Adjourn the Meeting Part: 1 1 00:01:40.159 --> 00:06:23.680 Let me try. Oh, it says my volume. >> Yeah. Good evening. We are here for the Danverse planning board meeting. Today is Tuesday, April 28th, 2026 at 7 o'clock p.m. Um Lou George is absent 2 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:41.199 today, so I will be filling in as the chair. Uh Michael Dulis will be filling in as clerk. I'm here with Jim Sears and Dave Rodriguez. So, our first agenda item 3 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:57.919 is a public hearing for 54 Cherry Hill Drive request for site plan review submitted by Abom Incorporated for property at 54 Cherry Hill Drive, map 29, law 11 pursuant to section 4 site 4 00:06:57.919 --> 00:07:15.360 plan review of the zoning bylaw. Sub property is in the industrial 2 I2 zoning district. The applicant is proposing to construct a new building addition and parking lot expansion and associated site modifications. Um, so can the applicant please 5 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:34.000 introduce yourself? Thank you. >> Hello. Let me know if anyone can hear me. >> Yes, we can hear you. Dell, >> how you doing? Um, >> sorry for the impromptu. Um I'm going to 6 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:49.199 briefly u give an overview um and then we could go forward with the meeting. So thank you ladies and gentlemen. My name is Danell Baptist, project manager for High Point. We are here for site plan um 7 00:07:49.199 --> 00:08:04.240 review and approval for uh 54 Cherry Hill Drive on behalf of um J&J and Abuumemed. Tonight we have um our project team uh myself uh we have the director of 8 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:32.320 landscape architecture Mike Rner and we have Cindy Murphy who's representing Genesis. Next slide please. So I thought it was important to to give a site uh perspective 9 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:49.200 uh so the board could get an idea of how the existing conditions um currently lie. Right. So if you pay attention um I would signal you to the numerical values on the right signifying the locations on site that uh you could kind of get a 10 00:08:49.200 --> 00:09:04.000 perspective of of what you're looking at. Starting with uh number one, you're looking at the corner of the building. Um more specifically the eastern looking easterly at a corner of the existing 11 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:20.240 building that will be raised. Um item number two, we're looking at um northerly at a portion of the existing warehouse building that is going to be to remain. Um three, um you're looking 12 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:37.839 at a corner of the parking lot looking in direction to where the proposed work will be performed and so on and so forth. Just to give you a a quick um geographical um orientation of the site towards the north you have uh some 13 00:09:37.839 --> 00:09:54.320 wetlands and you have the Beverly um airport. To the to the west you have the 2442 Cherry Hill Drive campus. To the south uh we're bordered by uh Cherry Hill Drive and to the east of that right 14 00:09:54.320 --> 00:10:16.240 side you have uh some existing wetlands. Um and that side of the project will not be touched but I thought it's important just to get kind slide please. So here we have the overall site layout as you can see um and it's colorcoded to 15 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:32.320 kind of grab how kind of give you a graphics on proposed development um that the client is um is providing. We have the legend um on the bottom. I'm not sure if the board members could see that, but uh it's highlighted to give 16 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:53.600 the different color code vegetations and BMP storm water management features that Mr. Mike Rner was going to go into details on the subsequent slides. Next slide, please. I'm going to go through this quite quickly. Um this is the erosion control 17 00:10:53.600 --> 00:11:09.760 plan. The most important thing with this plan is to protect the adjacent wetlands. Um the plan was strategic in uh diverting flow from the resource areas to uh sediment trap uh that's 18 00:11:09.760 --> 00:11:25.360 located on the southwesterly part of the site. There's actually two um that is strategically sized based on the erosion control measures um of Massachusetts guidelines. 19 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:42.000 We have um we have some areas for uh staging for stockpiling. Um at the end of the day, the GCS will be responsible for the final locations of these areas. 20 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:57.680 Part of this erosion control um and the programming of the site, we are proposing to raise about 8,000 square foot of that existing building. As you could see um in the dashed line represents the proposed building just to 21 00:11:57.680 --> 00:12:12.240 give some perspective as to the proposed footprint versus the area that we were we're planning to raise part of the erosion control measures. Um we have silt sacks to protect the 22 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:29.440 basins. We have a uh corrosion control um pad to um to kind of strip the tires off the um heavy vehicles coming in and out the proposed site. 23 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:44.160 We have a sediment trap as I mentioned and we have um diversion swailes that is directed to these settlement basins to prevent uh debris and and silt from 24 00:12:44.160 --> 00:13:06.240 leaving um the prospective site. Uh next slide please. So this slide um as you can see to the right I wanted to highlight the the the chart um which is pretty much the the 25 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:23.839 key item of today's hearing. I wanted to state that the project is in an industrial 2 zone and it's in a marijuana dispensary overlay district. Um the use of a warehouse and office is 26 00:13:23.839 --> 00:13:40.160 by right. Um and it's being proposed for this project as you could see in the yellow highlighted the yellow highlights or I would say peach if you will that is the proposed building and that will be office use. 27 00:13:40.160 --> 00:13:57.760 Just to the right of that peach s shading is the existing building that will remain. Currently on site there is existing parking. The proposed development is looking to 28 00:13:57.760 --> 00:14:16.160 expand that parking. Currently there is 169 spaces. part of the proposed development. We are increasing that 169 to a total of 267 spaces. So roughly about 100 spaces in the proposed programming 29 00:14:16.160 --> 00:14:31.199 part of uh the the expansion we are providing uh ad accessible um parking. Um to be more specific, we are providing nine stalls 30 00:14:31.199 --> 00:14:47.199 um and three uh van accessible parking, ADA parking. As part of the programming, the proposed programming, we are providing um 10 EV ready um stalls for electrical vehicles 31 00:14:47.199 --> 00:15:06.240 to be able to uh charge their vehicles on site. A part of the the proposed development um is to provide a two-story 23,000 ft² office building. It's going 32 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:23.120 to be two two floors um and raise the 8,000 ft existing building. As pre previously discussed, part of the um improvements will be pedestrian friendly walkways, an enhanced plaza area 33 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:41.360 and uh aesthetic landscape features that would be explained on the subsequent slides. Um we are providing snow removal and they are strategically placed outside the 100 foot buffer zone and will be hauled offsite by a third party company. 34 00:15:41.360 --> 00:16:05.600 Um, and that would be handled by logistics of the Abuad facilities department. Next slide, please. Um, here's a grading and drainage plan. As part of the development, we are um held to uh 35 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:23.040 be in compliance with the storm water management um handbook, Mass DP and the local regulations. Um based on the increase in imperous areas, we are providing um storm water management that not only attenuates the 36 00:16:23.040 --> 00:16:42.720 flow but also treats the the requisite uh impervious area um and recharge the the situous area to the site. To be more specific of some of the improvements um of the drainage system, 37 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:58.399 we have two um contact water quality units. We have three yard drains, uh two pre-cast outlet control structures, and an array of uh new catch basins with oil covered hoods um which is uh required to 38 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:15.679 um aid in the the TSS removal that's required. Um currently we are um proposing one main infiltration basin and a small infiltration basin um situated to the 39 00:17:15.679 --> 00:17:33.520 souththeast plan southeast and a large basin is in between the 2442 Cherry Hill property um and the entrance drive. Um both basins u meet Massachusetts D standards. Um to be more specific, we 40 00:17:33.520 --> 00:17:51.240 are we we ex we meet and exceed the requisite recharge uh calc recharge requirements, excuse me, and uh water quality uh for this site. You go on to the next slide, please. 41 00:17:53.600 --> 00:18:10.720 Utility. This is a basic utility plan. I'm not going to spend too much time but be willing to answer any questions um at the specific time if need be. Um the site does not propose any change in the existing water and sewer to the building. 42 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:28.000 Um the existing sewer and water will be um handled interior to the building and reuse the existing water and reuse the existing sewer lines that exist today. The proposed utility consists of a new 43 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:45.840 fire line, a fire uh hydrant fire that circumnavigates the a partial a portion of the site um to feed the the hydrants that are are strategically located on site. Um the water lines will have 44 00:18:45.840 --> 00:19:04.160 thrust blocks and infrastructures to support um having a hydrant on site which will support any type of um fire needs that that exists today. I think that's about it. Uh next slide 45 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:20.320 please. So uh at this time um I would like to uh bring Mr. Mike Rner back to the podium and he could further discuss the landscape aesthetics and uh trees and and what have you to support 46 00:19:20.320 --> 00:19:35.600 the proposed site. Thank you. >> Thanks Danell. Can you hear me? Maybe not. Um good evening. Michael Rner. I'm a landscape architect with High Point in uh Denim, Massachusetts, 47 00:19:35.600 --> 00:19:49.600 working closely with Denell on this project. Um, I do want to talk a little bit about actually just the pedestrian circulation for a moment. We have these um two entries into the building right here. And I'm not to steal your thunder 48 00:19:49.600 --> 00:20:07.520 thunder, Cindy. Um, this is sort of the um public facing entry over here. And there's another secondary entry. I don't know if it's secondary, but this is more of an employee entry in this sort of uh knuckle between the two uh buildings. and Cindy can talk about what's goes on 49 00:20:07.520 --> 00:20:24.080 in those buildings in a in a few moments, but I think that's important to show these sort of improved um plaza entries there. So, as far as the landscaping goes, um we have Can you uh just sort of pan it up a little bit? Um 50 00:20:24.080 --> 00:20:45.280 or is that zoom out? Sorry. Yeah. So, I wanted to point out the two um storm water treatment areas that Denell was mentioning there and those provide sort of around those are the 51 00:20:45.280 --> 00:21:00.799 major green spaces on the campus and I call it a campus because we have you know there's three different lots that Abomemed utilizes on the site and this is this is the third one and the northernmost one. So, we're trying to create some connectivity between the uh uh among the 52 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:16.559 buildings to create a campus-like feel. So these green spaces are very important as there's going to be um people that are traversing between or among these buildings to get back and forth. So we want them to have this sort of nice experience here. Um in addition, this is 53 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:32.400 the low spot of the of the site. So we're draining into that large basin right there. As far as the rest of the decorative plantings, we have some um large scale sort of landscape improvements that are along Cherry Hill Drive. um give a nice presentation to 54 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:48.240 the building. We have some interior landscaping on the parking lots that provide some shade and then the bulk of the sort of intensive planting comes around the building in the form of these beds right here. Um and then the storm water basins will 55 00:21:48.240 --> 00:22:05.440 also be um seated with uh native uh vegetation that's um sort of commensurate with the the infiltration that's going to happen there. So, it's kind of a low- situation. We'll have native vegetation growing up in those va those basins. 56 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:21.200 Um, and in fact, a lot of our um, if we want to talk about plant selection, um, we're I don't know that we're 100% native on this, but we ch we strive to get at least at least 2/3. We're least between 2/3 and 100% native vegetation. 57 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:37.919 Um, it's good for uh the environment. They're lower tend to be lower maintenance. the more disease resistant species. Um so that's our our um internal approach to landscaping. Uh this will also be u irrigated. All the 58 00:22:37.919 --> 00:22:56.799 landscaping here will be irrigated and maintained um by aomed. So can go to the next slide. Um don't expect anyone to be able to read this slide but you've seen these before. for the phototric plan that we've had done here. And I wanted to 59 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:13.360 point out um the different types of light fixtures. This is really small, but this is the parking lot light fixture, which is basically a down light. Um everything uh and these are dark sky compliant fixtures here. And the other fixtures that are more decorative are these um ballard type 60 00:23:13.360 --> 00:23:28.000 fixtures which happen around the entries to the building. Um these are a continuation of what's happening on the rest of the campus. again trying to provide that sort of consistency of design and feel um materials and products throughout the campus. So we're 61 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:49.600 we're continuing that design language. Um next slide and I'm going to turn it over to Cindy Murphy from Genesis. Thank you. Uh Cindy Murphy, I'm the director of architecture at Genesis out of our Medford office. 62 00:23:49.600 --> 00:24:07.200 So um like he was mentioning this is part of an overall campus. This building is intended to supplement both existing um programs that AIMED has on site today as well as relocate some others to this site. So this building doubles as 63 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:23.360 providing seating for the new departments that will move to this location as well as provide flex seating for their staff when they're working between building to building. So, if you want to go to the next slide. Um, actually, I'll talk about the 64 00:24:23.360 --> 00:24:40.400 outside of the building first. The building is a metal panel um with interspersed glazing. We are intending to use the color of the metal panel to help break down the scale of the building as well as relate back to the other two buildings that are part of the campus. The primary entrance that was 65 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:56.159 mentioned before is with this area right here on the south side and that has an sort of eyebrow framing it u which would be seen from the street allowing you to see inside where we will have signage and that is the main guest entrance. The 66 00:24:56.159 --> 00:25:12.880 other entrance um is around the back of it and that is the primary entrance for their staff as that is closest to most of the parking. If you want to go to the next slide, this is just a blowup of what we're looking at for the building. So, varying 67 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:28.159 window sizes because most of this building is office space. We want to get daylight into the space for their staff. Um, as well as be responsible to not have glass low on the ground cuz this is New England and we all know how much snow we can either not get or get like 68 00:25:28.159 --> 00:25:46.159 we did last year. Um, the two proposed finishes that we're looking at right now are on the left. So, a light gray and a little bit darker gray to give some variation and help break down that scale of the building. If you want to go to the next slide, um on that front side of the building, I 69 00:25:46.159 --> 00:26:03.360 mentioned this sort of eyebrow overhang that happens here around the entrance. And then both that front center and the other area located or shown in yellow will be a curtain wall that it will be the main public space of the building where they bring guests into. We want to make it stand out. 70 00:26:03.360 --> 00:26:21.679 And on the next slide, this starts to show you what the building inside will be um comprised of. It is primarily open office space. So, we have a mix of different workstations types. We're still trying to work out who goes where as to how many people sit 71 00:26:21.679 --> 00:26:36.880 in the different sort of department or neighborhoods of the building. Like I mentioned, it is flex. It's meant to be a lot of flex seating. So, a lot of these workstations will not be assigned to people. They will be there for people as they're moving between different 72 00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:52.559 sites, visiting for a day or moving between the different buildings on campus. Some of the workstation in here will also support the staff that are working in the clean room building. So, when we try to figure out what the headcount is, we're if you look just at seats, then you're going to wind up 73 00:26:52.559 --> 00:27:07.279 double counting because people working in the clean room predominantly have a seat in this building. So while we have more seats than it looks like it looks like we have a lot of people, those people are not permanent inhabitants of this building and their staff works in 74 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:23.440 shifts. So we want the people that do have a full shift in this building to have their own dedicated desk. So there's more desks than there are people at any point in time. Most of this light blue is open office throughout the building. The darker blue 75 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:39.200 are either offices or smaller conference rooms and huddle rooms that their staff will use um throughout the day and purple are collaborative areas cuz we want their staff to come and work together. The building has a couple large sort of amenity gathering spaces. 76 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:55.039 So when you first come in on that lower level, you come in through this lobby um which is a collaborative work environment. So people can go work at a desk, they can gather in the lobby. If they're meeting someone who already walked from two buildings over, they could choose to have their meeting here in this lobby. And then you have 77 00:27:55.039 --> 00:28:11.120 reception and conference area for guests as they come in. Right from that front entrance, you have a stair that gets you upstairs to the second floor, which is very similar to the first floor in layout. Um, and at the back side of the building, the secondary the second stair brings you back down to that employee 78 00:28:11.120 --> 00:28:26.559 entrance, which is their main pantry gathering space. um giving them again another option for how they work within the space and connecting them to that back building which is the clean room um environment where some of their staff will spend half of their time or 79 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:42.080 predominantly most of their time. Um the overall building the square footage is on Denell's drawings. It's about 23,000 square ft um for each floor plate. Um you can see here on the second floor this is the only part that is two 80 00:28:42.080 --> 00:28:58.960 stories. Part of this purple area here on the first floor is one story. As we connect to the other building, the scale will come down. The two-story building is about 30 feet. It's 15 ft floor to floor currently. Um we're still designing everything on the interior. So 81 00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:13.520 that will flex a little bit, but we started at 15 ft um to make sure we had room for structures and duct work and all those fun things that we spend all of our CDs coordinating. Um and hoping we get it right before construction 82 00:29:13.520 --> 00:29:29.520 starts. Um and then that connector in between should be around 15 ft in height. Um, we're still working that one out if it's fully flat or sloped as it meets the existing building which does slope down towards the road. So, it's a 83 00:29:29.520 --> 00:29:45.120 funky little geometry that we're working on there, but it is only one story where they connect to the two buildings. Um, I think that's about it. If you want to go to the next slide, it is um, so yeah, a 3D view of what the 84 00:29:45.120 --> 00:30:00.480 building currently looks like. Um, if you've met an architect before, we kind of never stop designing. So, it will continue to evolve. Um, but you know, this one does show that existing building in the in the foreground or background. Um, if you can look really 85 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:17.919 closely behind this little person here, you can see that scale change between the one story of the connector and the one story of the clean room. >> Yep. >> So, I just wanted to jump back in here. Um, we were going to start with this and 86 00:30:17.919 --> 00:30:34.960 we kind of bypassed it. the uh as in terms of where we are in the process for this um we did submit a notice of intent today with conservation commission. We have an upcoming hearing on May 14th. Um the commission has seen the project 87 00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:49.919 because we um did apply for a request for determination of applicability. At that time they decided um or determined that we should submit an NOI. So that's why we're doing that. and they received the same set of drawings that you received. 88 00:30:49.919 --> 00:31:06.480 Um, we have received comment staff comments on this set of site plans. Um, we have addressed according to Dell 90% of the comments uh that we've received from staff have been addressed and are 89 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:21.279 reflected in these uh slides, but we still have some more a little bit more to do. We know we're going to be back here in front of this board as you're going to have questions and so forth. Um so we do have some other um revisions to make and we look forward to uh showing 90 00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:41.360 them to you. >> I think that concludes the presentation. >> Thanks Mike. Um I want to just jump in real quick. Um just want to do some cleanup housekeeping. Thanks for starting the housekeeping. Um, Mike, um, I just wanted to back up and state that 91 00:31:41.360 --> 00:31:57.679 we also are, um, applying for a waiver for a traffic study and, um, or providing planning profiles, that should be an original submission, um, with the application, um, for this hearing. Um, and uh, I just wanted just to reiterate, 92 00:31:57.679 --> 00:32:13.360 even though I'm sure everyone knows why we're in front of the board, but we are here for site plan uh, review and approval and uh, for a stormwater permit uh, via the engineering department. Thank you. Um, and with that said, I would like to open it up for any 93 00:32:13.360 --> 00:32:37.039 discussions that we could answer. >> Um, okay. We will start with questions from the board. Mike, do you want to start? >> Sure. Thank you for the presentation. Appreciate it. Um, I said a couple quick questions. Um, one of the questions I 94 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:52.000 had was there was a note from the fire department review that the you guys used the old truck turning radius sizes. I think it said, "Were those truck turning radiuses in this packet that we received or did you guys look at the new truck turning radiuses for to see if everything works out with the new larger 95 00:32:52.000 --> 00:33:08.240 trucks? I I'll take that question. Tal Baptist from High Point. Um yes, we so with the the latest drawings that was sent to um the conservation commission um substantially addressed most of your 96 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:25.360 comments um and that was inclusive in the the conservation NOI package. So the answer is yes, we updated the truck turning to reflect the most up-to-dated uh template. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, ex what's the existing building height? I know you said the news 30 ft. What did you mention what the existing building 97 00:33:25.360 --> 00:33:45.760 height was? >> You want to take that um Cindy for the existing building height? >> Yeah, she she asked to come back to it. So, I can go on the other questions and we can come back if that's okay. Um, Donell, you mentioned that EV ready. Are 98 00:33:45.760 --> 00:34:05.760 we are any of the spots actually EV for day one or are they all just EV ready wired but none are going to be installed? It is it is my understanding um that the the EV ready is going to be functional um with with the current um 99 00:34:05.760 --> 00:34:22.879 construction. Um typically um I know previously I worked on a project and we had EV future and EV ready. So, Eevee Ready is slated to be functional um when the project is is uh completed. >> Okay. Thank you. And then my last question was um this perspective 100 00:34:22.879 --> 00:34:37.679 actually shows a good spot. I are any of these pedestrian pathways like are there raised like speed tables or anything for pedestrian access for cars or is it all flat? I was just curious. >> Uh I could take that Dell again. Um 101 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:53.040 currently it's proposed as being flat. Um we ran into issues when it's raised because it's it's going to hold back um storm water flow. Yeah. >> So we felt it was best to propose it to be flat. That way we're not impeding any storm water flows at the junction of the 102 00:34:53.040 --> 00:35:10.160 roadway and the uh sidewalk access. >> Okay. Thanks. >> To answer your other question, the existing building is roughly 28 ft. >> 28? Yeah. >> Oh, so it's very So this looks like it's much taller. or is it not actually that much taller? 103 00:35:10.160 --> 00:35:25.040 >> It's hard. It slopes. So, this front end here is about 26 ft. When you drive by, it looks much smaller because of the burm in front. >> Um, and then it slopes up towards the back and so it's about 28 ft at the back. >> And are those measurements taken from the same like average grade or are they 104 00:35:25.040 --> 00:35:41.440 is that building have a different >> um that's from our measurements that we've taken inside the building? We don't have full asbuilts of the original building. Um, and we haven't done spot checks all the way around it. Um, but it's from the slab inside the building 105 00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:58.720 to the underside of the roof deck on one end to the other side. >> And then your new one is the roof is at 30 the parapit's at 30 ft or the roof's at 30 ft. >> The the top of structure would be at 30 ft. So it will be like >> a couple feet on top of >> plus um just the the thickness of the 106 00:35:58.720 --> 00:36:14.960 roof and insulation to accommodate the slope. There's no parapit on this roof. >> Gotcha. Okay. All right. I think I'm all set for now. Thank you. >> Jim, do you want to go next? >> Sure. Uh, on the snow removal, you mentioned there was an offsite 107 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:31.839 trigger. Is there a trigger on that for moving it off site or do you have snow storage areas on site if we only have an inch or two? Is, you know, typically I would do you have areas you would leave it on site or is every snowstorm going to trigger offsite removal? 108 00:36:31.839 --> 00:36:48.320 >> That's a good question. Um Denell Baptist from High Point again. Um so I'm going to answer it based on my experience with the 2242 side. Um so we we placed specific locations um where snow storage will be as far as 109 00:36:48.320 --> 00:37:05.119 accumulation and if it's less than say you know 6 in you know it wouldn't warrant it may not warrant a snow removal but we strategic place it outside the the the 100 foot buffer zone areas. Um so uh my my assumption is it 110 00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:21.839 will dissipate um just like you know normal um snow melting in the pavement areas. The good thing about it is is that when the snow removal when the snow melts it is not um going into the wetland areas. It is being directed to 111 00:37:21.839 --> 00:37:36.880 the storm water basins where it will be treated as part of the the normal um rainfall. >> Are those indicated on the plan somewhere? Yes sir. So if you uh is there any way you can make it larger or I could just describe it. 112 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:52.480 >> Um so if Yeah. >> So if uh so let's say the the western property line and the wetlands. So there is a a 113 00:37:52.480 --> 00:38:07.920 grayish hatch in between the uh tree line and the proposed parking. That is one area that snow removal and there is some isolated snow removal to the south of that in between the um future uh 114 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:25.359 walkway and the um stormwater basin. Um if you need to if you need me to get more specific, I just had one of the team members point to it, but um it's it's it's there on the plans there. >> So is it is it called out on the plan or your dad is? 115 00:38:25.359 --> 00:38:42.079 >> Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yep. So it is called out in this plan. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Layout materials plan. >> It's this section up here. The first one. Oh, thank you. >> Short person problems. Um this section up here that Dell was describing first and then the second area he talked about 116 00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:58.000 was this area. Um when he's talking about that future path, it's this. So so sort of this area captured between them. >> What about on the top right side? >> You got a lot of parking up there. Do we have snow storage up there? No, I don't think there's any planned for up here. 117 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:13.280 >> That's all on the left. >> We we don't have any in that area. Um I I mean, we could take a look at it and see if we could pro you we could sneak some in there, but there's not a whole lot of vacancy in that top right because it's getting close to the wetlands and we can't we can't really put it within 118 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:30.320 that 100 foot buffer zone. So if any if we put anything there would have to be on uh the the our side if you will for lack of better terms of the parking lot which which may which which is going to block some of the landscape features and the plaza area and the entrance and the 119 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:47.440 visibility and the traffic pedestrian movement. So it'll be definitely be difficult um to provide it in that area. I Dell, I'm going to add that um you know we have three sites that are under control by Almed having experienced this 120 00:39:47.440 --> 00:40:03.920 winter and been on the site after some of those big storms. They there's never been an operational issue on the site after, you know, as they're clearing or um you know, I've never had a problem parking there. I haven't heard of any issues. So they do a really exceptional 121 00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:20.079 job of clearing that parking lot. >> Okay. So you basically you're going to clear from right to left toward the area that if you need to in a 2 inch or 3 in 4 in storm it sounds like. >> Correct. I think the other thing to keep 122 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:34.320 in mind like yes we don't want them storing by the wetlands. So we're in intentionally not telling them to store anything in this upper area. But the other thing is the site slopes sort of from top down. So top of the page towards the building. So, we also don't 123 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:51.680 want to encourage storm snow storage. It's a tongue twister. Um, in this area that could melt towards the building. It's just not good practice. We want to get it away from the building. You know, let the melting happen as it directs towards the storm water retention areas. 124 00:40:51.680 --> 00:41:08.160 >> So, while we're talking about the storm water areas, um, we're going to have native vegetation. Are we going to be mowing those every six months and maintaining them? Uh, I would I would say yes, but I'll let Mike handle that question. 125 00:41:08.160 --> 00:41:22.960 >> Yeah, that's correct. It's you can you can mow once a year. >> Typically, they're going to they're going to keep it mowed probably every, you know, a couple of times a year just to keep it under control. >> And what's the the depth of it of the of 126 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:39.760 each basin? I'll let Denell >> I want to say the depth is uh no more than five or six feet at most. >> And and how long will it take for those to drain? 127 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:56.800 >> The basins are are sized to dewater less than 72 hours. And I think those calculations should be within the uh storm motor report sent to the town um under Mr. King's team. Are you proposing any black gauge 128 00:41:56.800 --> 00:42:15.599 fencing around those stormwater um detention areas? >> No. >> Okay. We do as a matter of practice in town often times require that just for 129 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:32.000 purposes of safety. Um especially where you're near a neighborhood. I know this is a uh industrial complex if you will but I do know that a lot of people walk that area um children 130 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:51.760 adults etc. Um have you got have you give given any thought to that or somehow you know preventing any issues from someone perhaps wandering into those areas. So, I've been doing this for a long 131 00:42:51.760 --> 00:43:09.599 time, and you know, my my argument is typically not to do it. I know that people can see it as an attractive nuisance. >> I do, you know, I thank you for the acknowledgement that it's a it's basically adults walking around here. It's it's not like a school or, you know, a residential neighborhood. 132 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:25.280 >> There are there is a neighborhood across the way that there, you know, there are children that do. >> Yeah. But you know it's something that we have discussed internally and with a med um I think we can certainly raise that issue again with them. Um you know 133 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:41.280 my what we're trying to do is not make it feel like an industrial park. So by putting the these landscape areas in in prison and I'm being it's a harsh term I know but >> well I'm not talking a high fence. So 134 00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:58.240 I'm talking I mean typically you might have a >> like a 4ft chain link. >> Yeah. Just really a safety thing. And I I can tell you that we we often times require them. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Especially in um you know subdivisions. Um we have required them um in other 135 00:43:58.240 --> 00:44:17.040 commercial industrial areas as well. So I don't know what you know the feel of the board is or I don't know what Josh what you think on that as well from staff >> and and the other question is I know you're putting a lot of trees around these areas. Do you have a certain 136 00:44:17.040 --> 00:44:33.040 access point where you would be bringing your equipment in to maintain and so on? >> So when you're talking >> I'm not sure I understand the question. You're talking about coming in once or twice a year and >> oh in the basins out the filtration area and mowing it and all that. 137 00:44:33.040 --> 00:44:50.160 >> Is there a particular route that you're maintenance >> No, it's it's >> vehicles would go through. >> It's those are 3 to1 slopes. It's intended to be mowed by hand basically. So >> yeah, the concerning issue is to me is you're saying five to six feet >> and it'd be great if it drained in 3 138 00:44:50.160 --> 00:45:05.359 days, but in some of these storms that we have, it may take longer. So it does you do have the attractive nuisance liability issue which comes up and um you know that that's that's really a safety issue for for the for the applicant. 139 00:45:05.359 --> 00:45:21.839 >> Let's let's come back. We'll have a discussion internally and we'll come back. >> Yeah, we we typically have a a certain black gauge fence and there's certain um structural requirements that we've required for other other spots in town. And the other concern I had was you 140 00:45:21.839 --> 00:45:38.560 mentioned that uh the applicant would be uh watering the um the the vegetation landscaping and you know we encourage drought resistant. We encourage if you can using a well we don't necessarily 141 00:45:38.560 --> 00:45:54.560 want to use town water on on this stuff if we can avoid it. So uh you know so I don't know if you've given thought to that. Um, you know, I know you've mentioned native vegetation, but typically we we require drought 142 00:45:54.560 --> 00:46:11.119 resistance and we require you not to be watering this stuff. I mean, unless you dig a well or have your own well on site. >> Let me get back to you on the water source. I think we are on town water and there is irrigation there today, >> right? 143 00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:28.240 >> So, um, and it's and this will be commensurate with what we're doing on the other two sites. So, let me check into that and get back to you. I think a lot of our vegetation is drought resistant. >> We we my argument for the irrigation is 144 00:46:28.240 --> 00:46:43.119 first of all, it's a it's a big investment for aomed to plant all of these things. We want them to be able to keep the site healthy um and the plants healthy because once that starts to go, the place doesn't look good. >> But you'll see around town, it doesn't 145 00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:59.040 take much to have a water van. >> Yeah. And in the last several summer times, you've you've seen that. >> Y >> So, we don't want you watering the plants if the rest of the town is under a water ban at, you know, 6:00 in the morning when no one's open the water building. 146 00:46:59.040 --> 00:47:13.760 >> Oh, sorry. Go ahead. >> That's why we don't allow you to have outside watering typically. I mean, and I know you're investing a lot of money into landscaping, but that's something that we encourage in oftentimes require 147 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:33.280 in town that it is drought resistant and if you are going to, you know, water the stuff that you have your own well. So, um, let me see. Uh, other questions. Uh, how many shifts 148 00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:50.000 are we going to have and what are the hours of operation? >> Currently, their staff work in two shifts. Um, they don't do a third shift. Um, although I think they could. Um, but generally they get it all done in two shifts. I 149 00:47:50.000 --> 00:48:09.760 believe their hours start at 7 in the morning. Um, and I can come back and confirm that. >> And how late do they go? That is a good question. I'll have to double check. I think they only overlap by like an 150 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:24.480 hour. >> Okay. >> Um but I can confirm. >> Okay. That's all I have at the moment. Thank you. >> Dave, you want to? >> Uh no questions at this time. I'll reserve. Thank you. 151 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:41.760 >> John, do you have any questions? Okay. Um, so I have not much. Um, it looks like the existing building has solar panels on it. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Are you planning on replacing them or putting them back onto the new building? 152 00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:58.240 >> So, those solar panels are not owned by either Aviomemed um or the building owner. I believe they are leased. Um, the terms of So, it's a confusing site because there is an owner, not Aviomemed. They are the tenant. Um the terms of their lease is that they can 153 00:48:58.240 --> 00:49:14.480 remove the ones on that office building only. The rest of the solar panels must remain. So um any of the equipment that is um tied to those solar panels, it's currently located in the office building that we're tearing down. We are relocating that. So the solar panels 154 00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:31.440 will stay um you know active. But at this time we were not putting new solar panels on the building because Abumemed does not own the building. the owner of the site may elect to add solar panels back on the building. >> Okay. >> In the future. 155 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:47.920 >> Okay. Um and then I just wanted to reiterate what Jim said about the native plants and um the drought resistant. So I know that you guys have irrigation on site. Um, a lot of times we say, you know, irrigation is allowed like truck 156 00:49:47.920 --> 00:50:08.079 in water to establish the plants, but then after they're established, then it would be really nice if we didn't have to use irrigation on them. So, uh, that's all I have. Thank you. >> I Does anyone from the board have any 157 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:23.520 other questions? >> Well, is that a hard and fast rule? Uh Josh, I mean I I think we have to be clear on uh the town stance on the watering and the uh drought. I know it the drought resistance requirement. I'm 158 00:50:23.520 --> 00:50:39.440 pretty sure that uh you know uh the watering part is not is not definitely not encouraged. So you're so the question is is is it a shall or is it a is it a recommendation 159 00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:55.280 or a strongly encouraged? Is that your question? >> Yeah. I mean, well, they already have, you know, if it was a new site, typically you may not even see outside watering capability, but they're telling you they have sprinklers and they've been sprinkling 160 00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:10.880 what's existing. >> Sure. >> And they're going to invest in a lot of new trees and so on. They obviously want to get them off the ground, but do we want them watering these things where the rest of the town is perhaps on a drought, you know, and they can't water and uh, you know, they'd be they'd be 161 00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:27.440 violating that drought restriction, but >> Yeah. No, I mean, kind of what's been said by the board. I mean, I think we'd be strongly encouraged the applicant to do as much native species, flora and fauna as you know, as as 162 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:44.000 possible to avoid, you know, that situation. For sure. >> Yeah. I just want to see if it's a if it's a if it's a requirement in the zoning bylaw or there's a restriction that's clearly, you know, stated that we can hang our hat on, >> right? >> Um because I know other projects were 163 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:59.200 were pretty adamant about that. I know this is kind of in a separate area of town that's pretty much away from a lot of residential, but you know, I don't want to set a precedent, you know, where we're allowing it here and not allowing in other areas of town. Just like if you 164 00:51:59.200 --> 00:52:15.599 look at a lot of these sites in the last several years, we've required that black gauge fencing around uh detention ponds, >> right? Um, so, >> um, let me, um, while we're talking, I could look at, 165 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:32.800 you know, our st our general conditions that we include in every decision. There might have been a comment in there about that, but if it wasn't in there, I don't believe that there's a shall per se, but I think it's it's sort of like our 166 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:48.000 standard practice, you know, what we what we want, right? Mhm. >> So I think we can work with the applicant team. >> I mean I think that they said that they you're at the 60 70% potentially at native. Maybe over the next couple weeks we could potentially you know work with 167 00:52:48.000 --> 00:53:06.319 them to increase that number. Right. So >> what I'd like to add is that first of all I'll state for Abomad that if there's a water ban they're not going to water the landscaping. I'll happy to put that on the record. Um, as far as the um, plant selection 168 00:53:06.319 --> 00:53:23.119 and the irrigation, let us come back to you and we'll certainly work with staff. Let us come back to you with a more specific plan because there's there's always in between areas. You know, for instance, you know, I would advocate for being able to water the area that's 169 00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:38.800 close on the building to keep those decorative plantings healthy. as you get further away from the building, maybe there's there's less irrigation or maybe we don't water some of those lawn areas. And by the way, we're not going to water the storm water basins if that's what anyone would >> Well, if you have I guess if you have a, 170 00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:54.880 you know, wetlands nearby, is that uh, you know, potential to have be able to drive a point and have a well? Does that I don't know if that's any indication you may be able to use a well. You obviously you can use a well if there's a drought, >> you know, you're not using the town water. Yeah. So 171 00:53:54.880 --> 00:54:10.079 >> I I need to circle back with Abby Omed to see what they're doing on the other sites and what's and we'll we'll have the discussion about the well, >> okay, >> as well. And we'll get I'll get back to you with more specifics on the planting and drought resistance, etc. And any any I'll add one more 172 00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:27.200 thing. Any irrigation system is designed to EPA water sense uh standards, which is a low flow, low water use um type of a system. It's they're pretty sophisticated these days. Okay. >> And we have a professional uh irrigation 173 00:54:27.200 --> 00:54:44.720 designer designing the system. >> Okay. Thank you. >> One uh just in terms of uh construction phasing and staging, uh is there an existing plan for staging of construction and material on site or has 174 00:54:44.720 --> 00:55:01.520 any thought been given to that thus far? >> Um I'll take that baptis from my point. Um, so that's a good question. Um, in my experience, um, we we generally like to include all the different types 175 00:55:01.520 --> 00:55:18.160 of staging, erosion control, um, devices, trailer, parking, all what what what comes into fruition for a site prep erosion control plant. With that said, um we we've typically left the means and 176 00:55:18.160 --> 00:55:34.079 methods um to the contractor to provide exactly where the storage and staging locations will be um where the final locations for the mobilization um trailers and what have you. So, um we're we're depicted it on 177 00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:50.960 the plans, but we have not um selected any phasing u of how it it's supposed to operate. Um at this point, there's no contractor that has been awarded because obviously we're in the infancy stages of the project, but that's what we have now. We have it depicted, but we do not 178 00:55:50.960 --> 00:56:07.040 have a phasing plan because uh the plan is still u marginally malleable and making changes. Um but currently we do not have that >> at this point in time. Is there an anticipated parking loss or is there something that's something that's being planned for? 179 00:56:07.040 --> 00:56:21.680 >> Can you restate that? Sorry, I didn't hear you. >> Yeah. Is there an anticipated parking loss just at this stage or is it still too early for that? >> You said parking lost >> parking loss as a result of the staging or the materials? >> Um, building. 180 00:56:21.680 --> 00:56:38.160 >> So, it's no, I can take that one. >> So, the building's not occupied today. >> Okay. >> Um, so there is no loss in terms of active parking. The building won't be occupied until this work is done. >> It's an easy >> easy answer. >> Yeah, 181 00:56:38.160 --> 00:56:59.040 >> it's easy. Thank you. >> Okay, this is a public hearing. Are there any members of the public that have questions or comments? >> There's a couple people out there >> on maybe online. >> Um, it does not appear online. Um 182 00:56:59.040 --> 00:57:13.359 there's a um is Matthew Holt with the development team? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, no one from the public then. >> Okay. Hearing none. Um so, it sounds 183 00:57:13.359 --> 00:57:29.440 like we're going to continue this um site plan review uh and public hearing to the May 26. >> Yes. So, can someone make a motion? >> So, moved. 184 00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:47.280 >> Oh, I get I guess I would just not to interrupt. Does the development team have any questions or comments? Sorry. Um before we did that or Dell, did you have any comments or questions just while the board was here to work on over the next couple weeks? 185 00:57:47.280 --> 00:58:05.040 >> Yes, Josh. I appreciate you. Um open it up open the floor back up. Sorry, Jean. Um so so we have uh we're going to be doing some modifications um based on today's meeting and addressing some more of the comments. Is there any uh final um or deadline and supplementary um sub 186 00:58:05.040 --> 00:58:21.359 um documents to the board to be heard at the next hearing that you guys have? Is there any cut off points? So to make sure that we're we're meeting this deadline, >> I mean obviously it would be beneficial, you know, um a couple couple weeks 187 00:58:21.359 --> 00:58:37.599 before, you know, the our next meeting or maybe I guess Dell if the development team wanted to at least send staff uh electronic copy of uh what was sent to the conservation commission andor um revisions that were kind of discussed 188 00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:52.799 tonight. Um if the development team over the next couple weeks um you know after like discussions you know wants to make some revisions uh maybe in next like two weeks we could set up a brief meeting or conversation 189 00:58:52.799 --> 00:59:11.040 um as like a check-in um just to make sure that we're going into May 26th um and have a productive conversation that evening. So so I just want just to clarify what you just said. So you would say say two weeks um two weeks before the meeting or 190 00:59:11.040 --> 00:59:27.319 two weeks from today's meeting and we could circle back. It just sort of just depends, you know, the the magnitude of revisions, I guess, that we're kind of talking about, right? Um >> Okay. >> But we could be in contact, you know. 191 00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:44.960 >> Okay. We we could I could I mean, I'll reach out to your office and we could figure out a time offline and that that works with the board. >> That would be fine. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. >> We don't need to do a continuence. >> No, we do. Yeah. First. Yep. 192 00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:59.440 >> Okay. >> Um Okay. Can I have a motion for someone to continue the meeting? >> The application >> the application and the site plan review 193 00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:16.319 to the May 26th meeting. >> Dave. >> Um I move that the application be continued until the May 26th meeting uh of the planning board. Second. >> Okay. Motion made by Dave and seconded 194 01:00:16.319 --> 01:00:34.640 by Jim. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Okay. Um, >> thank you. >> See you next month. >> Thank you everyone. Thank you. >> Thanks everyone. >> Thank you. 195 01:00:34.640 --> 01:00:52.400 >> The second item on our agenda is the meeting minutes. Um, did everybody get a chance to review the meeting minutes from March 24th, 2026? 196 01:00:52.400 --> 01:01:08.240 >> Move to accept. Second. >> Okay. Jim moves to accept the meeting minutes and seconded by Mike. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> How about present? It wasn't there. >> That's fine. >> Oh, >> you can still you can still vote. You 197 01:01:08.240 --> 01:01:23.280 can if you read them. I read them. Yep. >> Yep. Okay. >> So 4. Okay. Very good. >> Um Josh, is there anything else for tonight? >> Yep. I could just Um so the next meeting 198 01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:40.559 is on May 12th. It will be in the TUMI room. Um there will be an ANR application. There will be the continuence from the 156 Maple Street um application 199 01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:56.640 that we discussed at a previous meeting. Um I think that's it for applications. >> Site visit for that. >> Yes. So there were there was a site visit that is planned for uh 200 01:01:56.640 --> 01:02:14.880 that May that Thursday night May 7th. Um was there a preference with you folks regard being at 5:30 or 6? Was there a strong preference? >> I actually can't make it. >> I think both Jean and I can't make it. >> I can't make it. My niece is getting 201 01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:30.319 married. >> I can go. >> Jean, you're a no. Yeah, I didn't realize it was open house. >> That's not good. >> And Mike, you also said >> there's an event at the school. I don't know if we're attending or not yet. So, I'm a maybe. >> Would it be beneficial to the three of 202 01:02:30.319 --> 01:02:45.280 you to potentially that week have another set up another one like maybe have one or two? I uh >> I could even do it earlier in the day just like the evening doesn't work. 203 01:02:45.280 --> 01:03:02.000 >> Okay. What about Jim and Mike? Friday's better just because I'm at home. But I mean, if whatever works for everyone else, I'll try to make it work. I just would another night that week be beneficial and if we we could have more than one. I was obviously just try I'm 204 01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:16.160 trying to >> Yeah. >> You know, make it happen. Um would like that Wednesday or Tuesday that night for half an hour, an hour be good for anyone? >> I think we should probably recirculate 205 01:03:16.160 --> 01:03:33.760 dates. Yeah, consideration of Woo as well to make sure that he can >> just before the 12th, right? >> Just before the 12th, right? So, >> as we speak, two members at least can go on th that Thursday at 5:30 or 600. Did 206 01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:50.240 you Dave, did you have a preference between those times? >> Sorry, which date? That was the 7th. >> Yeah, May 7th. It's a Thursday. >> I don't have a preference. >> Okay. All right. So, let me circle back with you folks about that, but it would probably be that week probably. But, um, 207 01:03:50.240 --> 01:04:05.760 thank you for everyone letting me know. But, and Jim, thanks for bringing that up about the site visit that was on the to-do list. >> Um, I think that's all I had for the evening uh for that meeting, the next upcoming meeting, but 208 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:21.440 >> Okay. >> Okay. Um, if nobody has anything else, do I can someone make a motion to adjourn? >> So moved. Second. >> Uh, all in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> Very good. Good night. 209 01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:24.599 >> Thank you.