We want to call this city council meeting to order. Today is March the 23rd, 2026. I'll ask Councilman Scottish if you'll lead us in the invocation. We'll follow the pledge of allegiance. >> Father, we thank you for this day, Lord. We thank you for all your many
blessings, Father. We pray, dear Lord, that you'll be with us and guide us throughout this meeting. God, give us clear thoughts, Lord, and humble hearts. Uh give us precision, Lord, to make the right decisions, Lord. Lead us where you would have us to go. That's in your best interest, Lord, in the best interest of
our people. We pray, dear Lord, that you will keep your hand on our troops overseas who are going through this conflict, their families back home, Father, and all of our first responders. We ask these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. >> Amen. I pledge algiance to the flag of
the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All righty. We want to start with a a proclamation. This is
in reference to the Red Cross. And so let me read that before we have something to come up and we'll present this to her. [clears throat] Whereas the American Red Cross is a humanitarian organization led by volunteers and guided by congressional charter and the
fundamental principles of the international red cross and red crescent movement which provides relief to victims of disasters and helps people uh helps people prevent, prepare for and respond to emergencies. And whereas the
Northwest Florida Red Cross plays a crucial role in all of our communities, providing shelter, food, comfort to families affected by disasters such as homes, fires, hurricanes, and severe storms. And whereas in the past year, volunteers from Northwest Florida
Chapter have worked tirelessly to deliver support when help couldn't wait, including donations of blood, saving lives with first aid and CPR training, and supporting our military and veteran family. And whereas the American Red Cross
relies on the generosity of American people as more than 90% of its workforce is powered by volunteers to carry out this noble mission. And whereas March was first proclaimed Red Cross month in 1943 by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to
raise awareness of the organization and its humanitarian mission, a tradition that has continued for well over 75 years now. Therefore, I, Bob Campbell, by virtue of the authority vested in me as a mayor of the city of Phoenix Springs, Florida, do hereby proclaim
March 2026 as American Red Cross Month in the city of the Phoenix Springs and encourage all citizens of the community to support this organization and its humanitarian mission by volunteering, giving blood, making financial donations to help neighbors in need. Thank you
very much. So, if you'll come, I will present this with you and send a real quick picture. >> In 1881, >> what was that? >> In 1881, Claire Barton created the American Red Cross as a service to the
armed forces. I am actually service to the armed forces specialist here in um the Northwest Florida. Thank you. >> Thank you. [applause] >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Mhm.
>> No, I got it. I got I got a backup. I'll just I have my color crayon copy. [laughter] Here it is. There we go. [laughter] All righty. All right. We'll go right back to the consent agenda and we
certainly entertain a motion to approve as written or if it's something that you want to pull off of it, you let us know at this time. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion a second. Any comments, questions? And we are at Todd. I know.
>> Okay. All in favor say I. >> I. >> All right. I >> I carry. Thank you very much. Miss Amy will not be with us tonight. Uh all right. As we move the regular agenda, um I think we do have one addition. Yes, mayor. Council, we will have you have in
front of you a packet that reads amendment to agreement professional services contract number two. When we get to that item on the agenda, Jesse as well have for the public on there also. So mayor, I'd ask that we add this item under me as a 4C
5 and we move the items 5, 6, 7, and 8 down. So that would then become six, 7, 8, 9. Anything else? All right. Do we have a motion to approve with the one addition? So second
motion, second. Any questions? Got an extra ink pen over there. He you good? All right, he's good. Thank you very much. All right. All in favor say >> I. >> I
carried. Thank you very much. All right. We'll go to four uh C1. Uh Kobe with I guess object to come. >> Yes sir. >> Okay. Council just a cheat sheet number. We'll do this out tonight because the packet being a little messed up. It's
page 63 in the PDF. Good evening, council and mayor. How are y'all? >> Good. I'm gonna be doing the uh five month report for the months of January and February. Um starting with the operations of the water treatment plant at the PIAC. We did a combined of three
months of 136 million. In December, we did 45 million. January, we did 47 million. In February, we did 43 million. pretty much on target there. On the wastewater plant, we're still hanging around that 38% capacity. Um, in
December, we did 18 million. In January, we did 17 million. So, we still got a little bit of ways for capacity there. [snorts] For bioolids, we ended up having to do two liquid halls uh due to some freezing conditions back in January on the fan
press. We got that fixed. So, no uh no issues there. So far with having the fan press, we've removed 1.1 million gallons of press solids. Um quite a bit since only having it since November. So, we're rocking roll with that. So, again, thank you all for that. >> Um SCADA, the only thing we're lacking
on SCADA is list station 9 and we're working with SCADA on the wastewater plant. Now, there was some miscommunications inside of the documentation for the wastewater plant. I thought we had it all set up because everything on the computer side of it was showing
everything on the wastewater side. Come find out hooked up. So, we're working with them on the company to get it all hooked up. Now, um we did have one spill station 9 due to a BFD bolt. That is one of the stations that doesn't currently have the skater unit. We're waiting on a
contractor to move the building before we put that unit there. It is something that we check on a daily basis though. my crew goes out and checks it on a daily basis. So it ended up happening sometime in the evening hours on a Sunday night.
So so far that that's all we had on the spills. So it's an improvement for sure. >> Um far as projects and repairs and replacement, um the wastewater plants generator, I've had a company come out about three times now and repair that
generator. Um, so in the future that may be something to look at part of the master plan, just replacing that generator because the, you know, the amount of repairs that I've had to do doing that is a critical piece of equipment. So when something does happen to it, I I I jump on it, get it fixed. Um, ended up putting a new booster pump
at well 5 lift station fences are about 90% complete. They should be completed now. Um, the only items we're missing on it were some gates and some lacking of the fence post. Um, lift station 37. We ended up installing a new pump at lift station 37. The
sprayfield motor and pump has been pulled. I caught to the contractor the other day and we should have that back in a couple of weeks. Um, everything looked good. There was no major repairs needed for the pump itself. So, they they were able to use the existing one
that you have and just repair it. So, it end up it should be a cost savings around $10,000 talking to the contractor. So, a little bit lower than what we anticipated. Um, list station 8, I'd have to get up with GWI, which is
which I used to call Gilberts, but it's go forth Williams. Um, we got some electrical issues in there that I can't really figure out. So, they're slated to come out this week. Um for the wells we did uh we pulled our annual samples for the wastewater
treatment plant and then we also had additional water treatment samples that we had to pull with B uh POS as part of the new UCMR5 and well one three and five did have a
higher limit than the contaminants. Um it wasn't much higher. So now we have according to the state and I need to know a little bit more about this because it's so new but according to the state they're going to have to we're gonna have to do quarterly monitoring until the MCL is lower than what they so
until we uh get lower than that then we'll have to do quarterly monitoring on the PES. I'm still working on the list station panels. We got uh list station 22 26 2831 panels ordered. I talked to the contractor the other day. We should see
them in the next few weeks. So that that'll get kicked off and those will be completed as soon as I get the panels. Um other than that, that's uh that's kind of what we've been working on. U that's uh that's really about it. Y'all
have any have any questions? [clears throat] >> Go ahead. >> The contaminants is in what type of water? >> It's the peos. Pos >> is that like our drinking water? >> It's it's in your drinking water. Yeah. >> And what type of contaminants are
>> It's a carcinogen. So it it's a new carcinogen and it came out about 2020. And really it it's from all the military installations around here for years and years of dumping HF. And so over years and years of dumping HF on the ground,
it's now in your aquifer. >> There's no real way to get it out. Would that have anything to do with the asbestous pipes? >> Yeah, has nothing to do with it's coming from the operator. >> Okay. >> It they lowered the MCL on it to 14
parts per trillion where before now it's [clears throat] seven parts per trillion. It was 14 parts per trillion and they've lowered it now. So almost almost every municipality is going to have a little hit on it because it's it's so minute because it's part of a
trillion. So majority of your systems in this area are going to have a higher level or they're going to get detected >> if it gets higher. Is there a fix? >> There is a fix >> and that is >> activated carbon.
Activated carbon will actually >> that's an excellent fix. >> Yeah. >> And I'm not being sarcastic. >> No, no, it is. I mean, there's only two approved methods that I know of right now, and that's activated carbon and then a reagent membrane that actually filters it out.
>> Is that like [clears throat] major expense? >> The cost of those filtration systems are cash. >> Yeah, they're they're they're expensive, but you're you're still treat. >> Yeah, I'm thinking for the future if it gets worse. Not right now. your your
container the what y'all hit on it was only a couple of parts per trillion over the NCO limit. It wasn't high enough to cause a state standard [clears throat] to pay. We have to go in and redo, you know, reconstruct our filtration system.
Some of that it's just more monitoring at this point and the more we use the the likelihood of it get flushed out eventually at some point. The mayor will recall perhaps Councilman Biron as well as right at the start of your tenure there was
um multi-dist litigation involving PASS around the country and we looked at with our master firm to handle our BP claim. We actually looked at some analysis of them potentially taking on a claim for us when these were being litigated back in late 2018 and early 2019. We had one
specific site that popped positive for it under the old standard. It was after incredibly high rain and also runoff generated by some of that aburst pipe and then flooded and we were able to actually backtrack that directly to the
lot that it probably came from was groundwater runoff. Since that time, [cough] [clears throat] you've had a large push for nationalization of these standards. The federal EPA had a much different standard than many states. Created a lot
of headache for all the attorneys involved in the litigation and the water systems. This state has pushed it down further. Um we are not the lowest in the country. There are still several that are lower. Um but we have now moved in
line with what is a more consistent recommendation for testing for monitoring purposes. So I'm not about to sit here and talk to you as a scientist. I can tell you I've been around that litigation enough to have a very good working knowledge of this. The reason
for the reduction was that at the seven parts per trillion monitoring level established standard. The concern is that there was a belief that at 14 and somewhere at 25 parts per trillion was actually believe the EPA's
original number and don't hold me to that but it was somewhere in that range. So almost double where the 14 was. The concern was at what point does this become a hazard to the public and there was a lot of varying positions on this. It deals with a lot of times how long
it's been there where it comes from um and it the actual nature of the PFAS that are in your system. One of the big examples firefighting home that's probably the most common example of where this comes from. So you've had large litigation as in state of Alabama
specifically against um certain installations that used fire to put out fires and deal [clears throat] things on military bases that would then wash off into operators. What I would tell you is they are correct. The monitoring standards that we're under and what they
will be able to bring back to us with our reports is the idea of how elevated it is for what period of time. It is entirely possible you see elevated areas after increased rain, groundwater runoff, or otherwise. And even though it
pops in your drinking water, there's no way to completely eliminate that some of that's crosscontamination. It's not actually flowing through the system on a regular basis. That's why you monitor it. That's what we look at. The activated charcoal fix is something that I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong,
I think you have to be 21 parts per trillion to even have the recommendation. >> Correct. So it's basically triple the monitoring standard for a period of time has to be that high before they even recommend doing it because of the collateral issues with that. So just be aware it is something you'll see. It is
something that we will see in um notices we have to send to the public. But the seven parts per trillion standard is more important for us from a monitoring perspective to make sure we're tracking it because before we get seven eight
nine parts per trillion and just handwave it away and not look at. Well, if it stays there for six months, we need to start looking at doing something. But as recently as four years ago, you could have been at 12 parts per trillion for an entire year and nobody
would have said something about balance, right? So this is more about triggering our obligation to monitor, try to determine where it's coming from and what we can do to remediate. So as long as they're giving you these reports, that's what you want. Now, if we start
flipping above 14 and up, and then we need to start looking at something. >> Correct. And then if you start getting three times four times the standard for an extended period of time, we've got a problem. It's just that simple. >> Okay. So that was question one of three. Um the generator that you say is
problematic >> over the waste water. >> Excuse me. >> The waste water, >> right? So um what's the cost factor to replace that? >> I haven't looked at replacing it because I've been so tentative trying to get it up and running. Um so far I mean it's
running good. at the age of the equipment, even the service tech coming out, he said, "Hey, you know, really start getting with the city because of the age of the equipment there, it's hard to find parts for." I think it was originally back in the 80s or 90s of that generator. So, just as
you're going through the master plan, that's what I'm trying, you know, that may be on the back of your mind is when we do do these upgrades in the future that a generator is probably going to. So, if worst case scenario happens and it goes out, >> I have a backup.
>> You do have a backup. >> I would I would have to do some figuring, but I have a big enough generator to be able to hook up and run a critical equipment if I need to. >> Fantastic. >> I believe I have 125 kW, so that should be fine.
>> And last question is, you said our um water sewage treatment capacity is at 38%. >> Correct. And so since it takes so long to get anything done, um what's the first red flag percentage?
>> It's 50%. >> 50% >> before that and that's when the states will start asking for documentations and planning. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I misspoke last time. these 125 homes is fixed to come online up north of uh Twin Lakes Road off Walton and
they're at the corner of 83 and um 83 and Road. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um and then we've got Cat Island. >> Yeah. They'll have a lot of developments. >> And then we've got uh the ones south of uh >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yes. Yes. So, how quick would you estimate and I'm not, you know, would that gap close start closing rapidly? Would you, would you say, would it be reasonable to say within the next 12 months?
>> I don't think 12 months. Not with the development. >> No. U Mr. Wallace keeps track of all the developments. Kyle, we talked about Kyle does the current Kyle's managing the current flows. Mr. Wallace keeps track of the capacity fee that's been secured. People have paid their fees and we have
secured up since Chris has that and he has kind of a build out when he expects those actually come online. >> Okay. To keep these problems from sneaking up on us, you may hear me ask these questions on a regular basis. That's all I have. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
>> Go ahead. So along those same lines of keeping things from sneaking up on us, um for those that are are maybe here but not aware, the whole impetus for this bimonthly report, Kyle, you you'll probably remember this was there was a
time where the council felt like we were not getting information or we were told, oh well, hey, we recommended that, but it was never accepted and you know, why why are we in the state that we're in? So that this report is a result of that. So with that being said, what I want to
ask you is you've done a tremendous amount of work repairing things. From your perspective to the council, do you feel like you're things are being approved and you have everything you need from a budget perspective or from an authorization perspective? >> Yes, sir.
things, you know, because again, don't want to come back later and be like, well, we suggested that we replace X, Y, and Z and it never was approved at the staff level >> because that happened in the past and that was again that was the reason for all this. So again, I'm just kind of asking are you are you good?
>> I'm 100% good. >> You're good. >> So you're fully funded, everything. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> How how are we doing on I know we kind of switched our model from a um like an R& funding perspective. How are we on where we are in that budget process of
like using up those funds versus available funds? Are we are we okay? >> Page 72. >> Yeah. So right now for the total of the year on the wastewater side I've spent 86,000 and some change and on the [snorts] water side only spent 4,000
>> and a large I'll say I'd say pretty good portion of the wastewater is the pumps and panels process we're going through which we budgeted separately what we internally as well to make sure that we don't go >> okay >> Tom >> sir >> if I understood you correctly is Chris
the one that can tell us say like uh give an estimate a rough estimate on how quick the gap would close between 38 and 50% based on the information he's got. >> That would be the one. >> Okay. I'm looking forward to that
report. >> Yes, sir. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else? >> Yes, sir. >> Go ahead, >> Kyle. On on page uh what is it? Where the wet wells are? It's up to you. Page 70. There we go. That list 1
through 12. you know, there's several poor, you know, condition there. Uh, but on that next page, there's a lot of good goods and fair uh conditions. >> Yes. >> Now, I know that you you you've been systematically we've been working on replacing these. What is that schedule
like to change those pores in in the next few months? You think the poor conditions that one >> majority of them like the ones that the panels and upgrades and pumps and things of that nature that I'm just waiting on panels to get made? mostly panels >> most of and that's what we're working on
now like the main what I identified when I first got here is what I'm currently working on and then we're gonna we're gonna start on phase two of the rest of so the majority of those now on the wet well condition I can't do anything on the wet well condition those will stay the same until we find the budgetary
means to either line them or replace them >> okay so that's that's kind of what I was getting at >> exactly yeah and some of them in a lot in some stations like four five and three they're they're all brick more, you know, so there's really no point in even mining those. It would be a full
replacement, but I believe four lift station 4, I believe, what I've been told is that the school board is going to be redoing that one. So, they they should be upgrading lift station 4 within I don't know when their time frame is. I don't know what they're
budgeting, but they've met with one of the contractors that I use two weeks ago for planning stages. So that one should be getting fully redone along with three with Village Springs um development. That one will be getting redone too. Those are two more that you have on wet
well condition. >> So So we're looking at the budget >> in the future >> pretty good bit >> in the future >> just kind of systematically, >> right? >> Any other questions? [clears throat] >> Thank you so much. We appreciate it.
Okay, at this time we will uh bring up life enrichment center. >> Toby, you want to take that or we need Susan to come up >> real quick, mayor, before comes up before we back on the last real fast. One thing to make everyone aware
of our permit for the wastewater plant renews in 2027 May and I know Kyle and uh Daniel been working on this trying to work on this. One thing to make everybody aware um we expect based on the last time between the last time we renewed the permit to now the laws have
changed and new uh standards come in we could expect some changes to occur that have to occur at the wastewater plant that renewal Kyle is that that accurate? >> Yes sir. So we're tracking that trying to get ahead of it to see what that's going to be to the plant. So just making you aware that this renewal for the
plant may not be as smooth as previous ones. May be some upgrades and changes made. We don't know where those are yet, but so they're working through that with the agency now. >> Thank you very much. All right. You gonna handle this one? >> Yeah, I'll start it and back come up. So
council in the budget season last year, we had talked about the life senior center senior center. I'll restart. We have a new name now. The life enrichment center and the fees there with the membership. And so you all asked us to
go and get some information on Lance. Miss Blo performed a survey with the membership about the fees and some other information she provided in her survey. So I'll let her come up and kind of go through it and explain it uh for us to talk about if you have any questions or
feedback and then we can take that information and gather more and we'll move forward during the budget process with anything you ask to come back with. So two Um, well, I'm assuming everybody read the report.
Um, well, rather than me going over and boring everybody with all of the stuff, do you have questions for me that were not clear in the report? One of the things I did forget in the report um that I do want to mention because I know we are always looking to
recruit members. When we have our large events such as pot locks and our presentations for the Ray Hope Coalition, we are 25 people away from capacity. Uh we already have um issues
with parking. We only have 100 chairs and tables. We have the last event we had bringing in a cardiologist, we had 80 people in the building and the air conditioners would not keep up. So, you know, I am we always recruit members,
but one thing, you know, about the that building is is that we could never have too many me, we could have too many members. They're not all active and it's not a daily thing, but we're doing a lot of presentations, a lot of special events in that building just like senior appreciation day. I mean, we're a
capacity at the community center. So I we will always recruit members but we'll never have enough members and membership who's to fully fund us. I I just don't not in that building if that makes sense.
[clears throat] >> My first suggestion was is that they use the civic center once a year for a major senior appreciation day. And so I was thinking well let's just make it available when they need it for these special events. But apparently that's
not satisfactory either. >> It would be available. I mean we, you know, if I had something, you know, if if it did get to that point. Yes. But it's a lot of work on us to, you know, to revamp everything. I mean, there's always there's always an alternative.
>> What would you suggest? >> Well, I'm just basically I just said that because I forgot to put it in my report because I know um you know, I believe Mr. Scany uh Mr. Harrison brought up last time about recruitment and you know we advertise everywhere. We advertise on Facebook, word of mouth,
seeing appreciation day. You know, people know we're there, but right now we I I believe in the last probably two months we've had, you know, 15 new members come in. Now, some of them stay, some of them go, but this last event we had with the cardiologist, that room was
that full, you know, and I never know how many people are going to show up to these events. As far as an alter uh an alternate location when you have these big blowouts, do you have a suggestion? >> Well, yeah, there's always a place. I mean, I will find a place to put them.
My thing is this is that if we have a membership of 500, that building is not going to accommodate it. We're at 350 as of right now. Not all of them are active. We have a lot of people that just support us financially. They become members, but they don't support us. I
mean, they support us, but they don't use that facility. We have some classes right now that we have to break down into two separate classes because the rooms are too small to to accommodate the people that come in there, which requires the volunteer instructor to
come in two different times instead of one. All of our all of our instructors are everything um volunteer. So, I was just bringing the attention to the fact that the senior center as far as upping the membership like Niceville and and everywhere else having a thousand
members, our building will never accommodate that. Parking rooms, you know, uh but when it comes to big events, I know the community center is always available. We would find other places. We did we did a big event down the worship center at Freeport invited
self welcome to come to that one. So, we can work with that. I think what we're here today basically is to figure out whether we're going to raise the membership dues. And I gave my recommendations and my thoughts and um you know how I feel. We really have
right now as of today what $3,000 in scholarships. We are low income. I mean our senior citizens I would say probably 40% of them live off of nothing but social security. And that's not a lot.
So, I'm just going to let you tell me what you want me to do. >> I think you've seen the three recommendations. I'm still waiting for number one. But >> how many more members did you say you could take to
>> if for a big event like our potlucks? um 25 cuz we we were at the last potluck we had I think it was 78 and we only have like a 100 chairs, table capacity, room capacity. Um some events we literally
have to start moving furniture around. Um we had one that had 97 and we had to start moving couches and chairs just to accommodate them in that big room. >> You've been there and seen the senior center, right? Um, you know, because the rooms were all chopped up and you know,
which we we need that as well. >> Mr. Mayor, go ahead. >> Susan, can you you were you were talking about like the attendance at the like when you do the big the big days at the civic center. Can you refresh my memory? How much how what is your average attendance when you're there? the last
senior appreciation day. I think old Chief Sheffield almost shut us down. We were at 300. >> Okay. >> We were at 300 and [clears throat] we we keep it all in the main room. Now, if we use the whole building, we would not be at capacity, but because the way we do the event, we like to keep it all in the
same room because we did the first year we did vendors and other rooms and they they wanted to be in there where all the activity was. So we we have three the first one was 240 and then last this last one was 300. >> Okay. Um I do just want to publicly
offer the Chicago theater even though our capacity is 255 seats. Um if there was an event that you could you feel like could fit within that >> we would certainly love to to work with you on that and host some events there as well. is this ray of hope coalition
that we are we have been working on with um W chip and the health department and the sheriff's department. Um they are growing quite large, you know, and we we try to do that once a month. Now, I'm not saying that it's going to be next week or anything, but our goal is to
fill that theater with senior citizens to educate them on all the topics that we have to talk about. >> Sure. Absolutely. Um, I know your recommendation was to to for number one was to basically keep it at 60. Uh,
I I know the number two option was to go to like a 72 or 120. And, you know, I'm I'm just thinking what if we just did a a $5 increase to go from 60 to 65 a year. >> Well, I think I picked the 72 because we prorate and I didn't want to sit there and do, you know, $10.33.
We we prorate up until um I think it is June and then in June we take the full and they and like give them four months free that way you know we collect the extra dollars but to make them you know to come in and pay $60 in let's just say
May and then turn right around again that that I just so does that make sense? >> Yeah. Um what about Okay. >> Yeah. The 72 was to proate it. I made it $6 a month. I believe if my mouth is [clears throat]
>> gotcha okay um what about with like say example the the event at the the civic center are you charging like non-members a higher rate to try to encourage them to become a member are you doing are you considering anything like that >> at senior appreciation day
>> yes ma'am or any event in general >> well no not re no first of all senior appreciation day is our day to appreciate our seniors It's our it's our day for them. Everything's free. All the vendors are free, you know, Chick-fil-A
sponsors and um so that is just our way of having a fun day. Now, we do get members through that event. >> Okay. >> But like I don't charge them any you know we have a table there with with applications and things or after it hits the newspaper and the news and all that
people come in and they want to join. So was your question. Did we try? >> Well, I'm just trying to think like like the the chamber of commerce model where you can attend individual events for a certain price. If you're a member, some of those events are included, some of them are not. And then if you're not a
member, it's it's a higher rate. And it's all designed to to to funnel you towards membership. >> Well, this is true. Now, one of the problems that I have, I think, with that is the fact that 80% of the people there are already members. >> Sure. >> Okay. And then you got that other 20%.
So that's what I'm kind of zeroing in on is how how can we convert them that 20%. >> Well, I mean, you know, I mean, every every member there is shaking them, handing them, you know, telling them this is what we do every day, you know. So, I mean, we we get a lot. So, I mean, if you have I don't know what the
chamber does. I mean, I'm always open for suggestions, you know. I mean, I want the membership up, but at the same time, you know, when you go out there and people, you know, I literally have people leaving the parking lot because there's just no parking. You know, we are allowed to use the child advocacy center, but there there's a small tube,
>> right? >> You know, yeah. >> Um, you know, and we we fill up the grass in the back. So, you know, we're not we're not there yet, but if if I have my choice, we're getting we're gonna get there to where it's just >> it's it's >> I don't know what we're going to do, but
we'll figure it out when we get there. >> Sure. Sure. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. We're always recruiting. I mean, always recruiting. I mean, if we're in Walmart, I don't I see a senior citizen on the side of the road, I'm gonna walk up to them and tell them that they need to join the senior center. Right, Mark? >> Absolutely.
>> Yes. >> I mean, I I do I do agree with with your recommendation that maybe we need to to have a discussion with the county because there I did notice that in the the statistics that that it's included that 60% of the members are outside the city limits but within Walton County >> and you know, a lot of free ports on
which I mean I had somebody driving all the way down from Samson. >> Yeah, I saw that. You know, and these are these are current statistics. You know, Palms to Leon, Westfield, Chip, you know, um we we don't just do it.
>> And would they um would you consider the fairgrounds? >> I've considered all of it. I I love his offer right there. That's a perfect offer. You know, I'm not I'm not at that point yet. I I I I know how to reach out to figure out. I mean, I'm really glad to hear that right there. So, I mean,
you know, I I want senior appreciation day to get even bigger than it is, but I just don't know if I can handle it if it gets any bigger. I mean, it was it was huge last year. I mean, you know, um and and thank goodness for the city and you know, we had we had um police, you know,
they were parking at the armory and shuttling them back and forth. So it it has a lot to do like with the fairgrounds for instance. Senior appreciation day is meant to be in like one room and everybody that's part of where a community when you go to the fairgrounds all the rooms are broke up.
The air conditioning which this community center was a little hot this time too with all those people in there, wasn't it? Okay. >> But we're we're good with that. Yes. >> Okay. and would the council consider the three choices we uh that we were given uh to meet in the middle uh to help out
financially and uh I think that's $72 a year. Is that right? Well, I had it as um income base, but I mean if we I want to try to keep it to where we can prorrate it. And I believe the $72 divided by the five or $6 a month to prorrate it easily where I'm not
collecting, you know, $10.33 or something in the middle of the year. >> That would help alleviate a little bit of pain, wouldn't it? >> Well, I mean, no, that's painful to me, but it'll alleviate your pain. [laughter] $6 a month for my seniors is painful, but that's okay. I mean, we we we want
this place to survive. Now, I I do believe, you know, I have a really great relationship with the county. You know, as of right now, you know, we've had um several new [clears throat] new um people that are running for office at the same time for the last three or four potlucks. So, we do have a good relationship and I really feel
like, you know, the count the city took on a lot more of the county's obligations during this transfer and I'm hoping that we can we can fix that, you know, and I talked to a couple of the commissioners, you know, that um I'm on a board with one of them and, you know,
they're more than willing and they've always been more than willing, but the previous operating person of the senior life enrichment center just would never ask for money. So, I I think we can get more money from the county eventually, you know, um and I think that would
help. And I think what, as I said in my paper, this was created by the city and the county at a 5050, you know, deal back in the day. We're we're not just a nonprofit that came up and have our hands out. It was created by the city and the county themselves. So, you know,
I don't know what the value of the building and the maintenance and all that they do there for us. And they are good to us. I mean, they really are. So, I think, you know, figuring out how much we spend, how much they give us, and then coming up back to the 5050 mark would be a good a good place to go.
>> Glenn, couple things. Uh, Susan, [clears throat] the u the fees they pay annually, they just pay one time a year. >> Yes, I Yes. >> Okay. So, if if we did [clears throat] have to go up, would it be helpful or would it be possible bookkeeping wise
for them to pay make two payments? You know, I tried that and honestly, I'm like one one staff really when it comes to all the bookkeeping. When I when I got there, it was $5 a month. She kept it in a spreadsheet that was this long. >> Um, everybody was coming in. I I did
nothing but write $5 receipts and um made deposits. That's all I did for the first month I was there. >> Then I went up by, you know, semiannually. It was $30 in October and then another $30 in April. So what happened was is then printing invoices,
mailing, you know, stamps are close to what 75 cents right now. And I mean, I save every penny. You know, when when it comes time for membership dues, I send out an email, you know, and pray that most of them come in. So after a couple of weeks, then I print invoices for those that don't, I give the invoices
out. And then by the end of the month, that's when I mail because, you know, honestly, when you send out 350 invoices, that becomes costly between the the labels, the paper, the envelope, the stamps. So, I I did away with the semianually
um thing because of that. If I can keep up with it, I literally use my old computer that hope you let me. Thank goodness because it's got a a shareware on it. I mean, my program is ancient history and it keeps up with it really well. But it still takes time.
>> You know what I'm saying? >> Um the other thing is I [clears throat] think we have to, you know, look at how we're going to handle in in the future, you know, that's why I asked about the number of members. You have room for possible 25 additional members right
now. >> Big events now, you know, not on a dayto-day >> basis for and and and 37 of the members are from outside the county. So this is a this is a facility that is funded by Walt County taxpayers and taxpayers and it's okay.
So my concern is in the future we start adding members. I'd hate to see somebody from Deunia or or Walton County turned away. You see if we have people from outside the county that that are members. So how can we think ahead to figure that out before we get to that
point? You know what I mean? >> Well this is true. You know, because that was another one of my questions is that I have I've never turned anybody away. You know, as you saw in my report, you know, everybody feels like this is bingo and bus trips and casino trips.
It's really not about that. It's it's, you know, and I'm not going to get into my report because I'll get totally emotional. You know, I will get totally emotional. I don't want to do that. It's not about that. When somebody comes for me, I don't care if they come from Alabama and they're broken and they need fixing and our place will fix them. they
don't get turned away at all. Never will, >> you know, it never. Um, so I think, you know, I am really looking for growth. I'm not looking for total rapid growth. You
know, I I was telling S when I came in here today, you know, that it's been a rough couple of weeks because we lose a lot of them. You know, in my report, for every three we gain, we lose one. I deal with it on a a weekly basis, you know. So,
I don't until we reach that that point of that kind of stuff. I I think we can deal with it then. I know you want to have that forethought on that. But, you know, there's a lot going on. I mean, they they you know, one day they're there, the next day they're in the
hospital because they took a fall or, you know, they've been diagnosed with something or they moved on to an assisted living. So, it it literally amounts to for every people I bring in, I lose one somehow. >> Well, your programs are wonderful for them [clears throat] and keeping them in
good health and mental sharpness and physical, you know, ability and all that. [clears throat] And you know, you you do wonderful things. We just if we're at a limited capacity is my only concern is how do we accommodate
the residents? Well, you know, to be honest with you, if if products got really big, you know, I don't have any problem with trying to see if we can get the community center the second Monday of every month. If our ray of hope coalitions go as they are with uh Mr. Bearbone just said a while ago, that
would be perfect. I mean, when the sheriff's department and I worked on this ray of hope coalition, our hope was to to bring in, you know, 200 300 senior citizens of educator. We had a card cardiologist come in not too long ago and he spoke for two hours and one of
our members actually made an appointment with him and and within just a few weeks she has fixed a heart condition that she had for 50 years that every doctor told her that was not going to be fixed. That's our goal is to you know and and you don't have to be a member to come to
the Ray Hope Coalition presentations. Our hopes is that you'll come, you'll like what we have to offer, and then you will join the senior center and keep up that. But, uh, you know, our goal is every month and and and in the next couple of months, I'm going to have two per month, you know. So, our goal would
be I would love to fill up that theater. You know, all of us on the coalition would that's that's our goal. It's it's not about, you know, how many's in bingo. It's how many are in these presentations. And we could we could use those community center for potlucks and
they'd be fine with that. >> And you know, and then the little classes and stuff we have, we have one class right now that is really large and we have to break that down into two. Um, but we'll just take it as it comes, you know? I mean, where there's a will,
there's a way. I'll make sure that we we get there. >> And and that's all I'm not trying to be the bad guy here. So y'all y'all put tax in my driveway or anything, but uh it it's just it's just something that if we're that close to capacity, you know, we're I mean at what point we can't just
build a new building, you know, >> well, you know, it's kind of funny because at [clears throat] the over there, it's going to it's it's either you're either not going to find a parking place anywhere around there and then, you know, an hour later it's completely empty and then another hour
it's just full again, you know. So, it it's just mainly right now for the big events, okay? You know, and when I call the big events, I'm talking about the presentations we do, the um you know, the potlucks and stuff like that. When it comes to the classes, you know, you're not going to have 200 like, oh,
you be I'm going to I'm going to exercise class today. You know, they're drugged there screaming by, you know, each other. Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. You So, I mean, you've got some uh facilities to fall back on. Are you going to make a request to the county
for maybe a little additional funding? >> Well, I mean, I thought that was Kobe's job. >> I love going to the county. [laughter] >> Is that something we would like to do? We like to do something we can definitely [laughter] I've warned all of them that they that
were coming, you know, especially the ones that are there now. the new ones that are running, they know we're coming and if they want to come eat potlucks with us, they got to pay the attention. Okay? >> You know, and they're already, you know, I mean, we we've had them there for the last two potlucks and um you know, they they believe in what we do.
>> Maybe you need to be on Kobe. >> Let's let's send >> let's send Susan instead of Kobe. Kobe's got a pretty bad track record. [laughter] >> I mean, I will do whatever you you know, you want me to do. I mean, I've got a
pretty good, you know, every one of those those city uh county commissioners have been to the senior center. You know, I've had a good relationship with many of them, you know, some of them maybe not so much, but >> that's okay. >> Especially the ones that are getting older, right? >> Yes. And that's one of the [laughter]
things about over there, >> you know, and this is this is we're all getting older. That's why, you know, I'm thankful for Kobe right now because um you know, I want people to remember how this was was organized in the beginning. All these people are going away now. you know, when we're all gone, this place
has to continue to keep on because you guys will be amazed at what goes on. So, yes, that's my job is to make sure every new city council person, every new county commissioner understands what we do >> and why it's so important. So, do we do
we have consensus on whether we're going to do recommendation one or recommendation two or some variation thereof or do we want to let this marinade for a little bit and come back and and give a little direction? You know, we've got time. You know, we're
we're going to be entering budget season here a couple months. So, do we want to kind of let this marinate or do we want to provide a little bit of consensus and direction tonight on whether it's one, two, or a combination thereof? >> Would it come from that? Would it be uh
for Susan and I to have a conversation with county admin? The county is going through their budget process and see what the county's looking at and then see where we get with from there and come back for the rate process. >> Yeah, I'm good with that. >> I think that's the best plan.
That's fine. And one of the other things was is option three was something that we've been working on. It was to, you know, start a Friends of the Senior Center nonprofit. A um April Wilps with St. Joe has been on us for years and years and years and years. And I mean, the money is there for us. The problem
is is that you know, [clears throat] previous management didn't wasn't inclined to do it and now that we're not. So, we are looking into that. We just haven't you know, things have just the ball has not been rolling on that. That would be something, you know, for like our software, new new furniture, things like that that we would need
through St. Joe. >> Well, if you if you needed a nonprofit immediately, I'm more than happy to help with that. >> I we we've been we've been trying to do that. And that and April, April has been on has been at that center multiple multiple times telling us that it's there. All we have to do and then of
course she came on with the city and she was like, "Can't do it." So, you know, because um there's a new software out there. I would like, you know, more chairs, more tables, you know, just kind of upgrade. I mean, everything we have in that building, new chairs, probably from the money we protect county is
hand-me-downs. You know, we're we're fine with that. We're okay, but um you know, it wouldn't go for operating, but it would, you know, offset we could, you know, the computers and things like that. So, yes, I' I'd love to talk to you about that. >> Absolutely. you know. Um that's and you know I I know a few people that you know
I don't know a whole lot about it but I would love that because we we could get something from St. Joe. >> Yes ma'am. We work with St. Joe as well >> or the wants rather let's say. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Well I think that they'll give you some feedback soon as we have
that conversation with. >> All right. Anyone else? Thank you very much. >> Appreciate you guys. Thanks. All right, Kobe, we're going to go to uh C3. >> Thank you, mayor. This is RFP 2024 PW2
uh Chicago Hall Brotherhood preservation restoration rehabilitation phase three construction agreement. Um council, you know, we've been going we bid this out on 24. We've been going back and forth with the state. We finally got the we finally got that resolved contract. You
all awarded that to all for construction. Um, we had to have more conversations and meetings with the state and so we finally had one with them. Uh, Mr. Clint offer has provided to us a scope of work. We provided that to the state. They approved the contract
and the scope of work and so we're just looking for approval of the construction agreement in the amount of $415,000 pearl off construction. So second. >> All right. Motion second. >> Uh, >> just a little more info. Mayor go ahead.
We will hopefully we'll get this kicked off as soon as possible. Um you all seen in the scope of work a possibility as we go through the process of potentially having a change order from 415 to 4515. That is in the case uh that the air handlers cannot be found for that
system. So we think we have them found. Mr. Offer has been working closely with a local uh realtor here or been a realtor but a dealer for AC. And so hopefully that'll be there. But if not you could possibly see that coming in the future. Either way, the city has money budgeted from both the grant and our match.
>> Okay. All right. Being aware of that. Uh any other questions, comments from anyone? >> I do like to see local contractors that have stellar reputations uh get jobs instead of outside, you know, uh this
the county or the state come in here. >> Yeah, I certainly do, too. >> All right. All in favor say I. I. Hi. [clears throat] >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Eyes carried. Thank you very much. Anything else on that, Kobe? >> No, sir. >> All right, we'll go to Z4.
Mayor, this is uh I'm let [clears throat] Welcome to Zoom. Enter your meeting ID followed by pound. If you are the meeting host, please enter your host key followed by pound. If you are a participant, please press
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followed by pound. You are in the meeting now. There are three participants in the meeting. You have been added to the waiting. Who are we talking to? >> This should be Matt. Can you hear us, Matt?
>> Yeah, Kobe. I can It's It's faint, but I can hear you. I got David on David Gordon on the line with me as well. >> Okay. All right. Well, I'm gonna get into the May. Some reason we have issue maybe figure out a way to make sure everybody here.
So, uh, mayor, this is RFP 20261 AP runway 927 expansion widening award. So, uh, we bid out the project that Garber oversaw procurement process for the city and
ultimately received five bids. The low bidder of those five was ECSC LLC. We had a base bid as you all recall and then we ended up with five alternatives. And so I'm going to let Matt kind of go
through that process, how we got there, how some of those developed and then talk about the our recommendations of the alternatives to award the base and we can go from there. So Matt, you want to take over? >> Yeah, I can I can do that. Um, thanks
Kobe. Uh, good evening everybody. just to walk you through the process. So, I think as you all recall when we came in front of the council um back several months ago with a 90% design, we had a an engineers estimate at that time that
we developed in in uh with our cost estimating subconsultant and it was looking like the uh total cost for the project was going to exceed the overall budget for the project. So in order to ensure that we could build as much as
possible while while taking advantage of the funding that was available, we broke the project into a base bid which consisted of several components of the project primarily those that were required by the FDOT to make sure that the run or the the airport maintained
its certification. And then we added multiple alternates in uh that we could uh build if funding allowed including extension of the runway, extension of the parallel taxi way, a mill and overlay of a portion of Gene Hurley and
then we also included two other alternates. one for the extension of Huckabe Road to provide alternate access to the site and then another alternate for relocation of a portion of Gene Hurley.
And what ended up happening um was that uh we got favorable bids in. They were significantly lower than what we had anticipated with our estimating effort. Um the after reviewing the bids, we felt comfortable with them because, you know,
we weren't seeing one bid that was an out outlier that was low. I think the amount of competition on the project really helped to to to get a create a good bidding environment and good prices and they were all within $2 million of each other, which was we thought was
pretty good. Um so we ended up what we're recommending is that we award the um base bit of the project and all of the alternates minus the hook of a road connection. Um and that would be awarded to the low bidder. And the reason for
that is that um we can proceed with realigning a small portion of of Gene Hurley and still having the um the runway will have its available utility
in its current condition uh and end into the a large portion of the foreseeable future with the approach surfaces while keeping Gene Hurley in place. and that provides and uh maintains access for the community the same way it is today and we think it just provides a a more
coherent project. So that's that's what we're recommending today. Um Kobe, I don't know if there's anything else you want me to add to that. >> Uh yeah, Matt, can you speak a little bit to the reason why we pulled up out of the base and created the Gene Hurley alternate speaking on uh you know your conversation?
>> Sure can. Sure can. So, so the um road the connection that is made there is um is made via to to a a culdeac uh that's that's at the end of Hooka Road today. That culde-sac is on a
parcel that's owned by an individual and the county issued an easement for that or rightway determination for that. Um, but in order to tie into that, there's there's questions of the exact tie-in location and how that impacts the the
parcel and an effort to keep the project moving forward um without creating additional concerns with regards to coordination. We we uh determined that providing with the gene utilizing the gene hurly realignment would accomplish
the same goal um in a more expedient manner and allow us to ensure that we can utilize the funds for the runway >> and m little timeline you can chime in. So, council, you'll remember prior to the 9010 design, the uh the idea was
always to the hump in the runway about this line of sight issue was always to tear it out and repave the level. You all recall we got 9% Matt his team recommended that we don't do that, that we elevate the end of it and extension. Uh and so by doing that, that opened up
the ability for us to keep Gene Hill Road and some potential uh uh other things we may not do now because of that. So, um, that that got started on the bid kickoff and then a few weeks in, um, Matt and him had conversations with DOT, specifically the individual
responsible for our inspections. I think his name's David, I believe, and, uh, spoke to him about services and so I'll let Matt go into 204 to one, but ultimately that is why this is now by where it was not before because of the
elevation. >> So, so yeah, Kobe. So we can talk about that a little bit. So as Kobe's correct, as you recall, when the initial concept was to shave the hump down and what that did was that maintained the runway end
at a lower elevation than than what we are proposing. And when that runway end is at a lower elevation, it causes a problem from an approach standpoint. So the way the way that runways are classified are are are based on how you approach it. So right
now you have a utility runway and it's classified that that way because you're primarily utilized by aircraft that weigh less than 12,500 pounds and and what that means is that the approach surface which is the surface at the end of the runway that we need to protect
and it starts at the end of the runway goes up at a slope of of 20 to one. So it goes up one foot for every 20 feet out. Okay. when we when we changed the approach to dealing with the hump to raising the
runway end um to get in instead of shaving the hump down. What that and and we raised the runway end to make sure we met line of sight criteria for the runway. What that did was it pushed the runway up uh I I don't recall off the top of my head exactly how many feet,
but somewhere in the range of four to five feet. It allowed us to make use of earthwork that we were generating elsewhere on the airport. But what it did is it allowed that 21 20 to one surface to get over Gene Hurley Road in its current location and not
impact it. And and and what I mean by get over it is you the surface needs to be high enough so that it's not impacted by traffic on the road. And in the case of Gene Hurley, it has to be 15 feet over the roadway surface, which we were able to do. Now there is the the surface
is dictated by the primary use of your runway which as I said right now is utility and it's based on these these uh 12,500lb aircraft or less utilizing the runway. When jet traffic becomes the predominant
traffic on on the runway that would dictate that that surface is reduced to 34 to one. Um jet traffic becoming predominant would be defined by uh the number of operations being 500 or greater operations a year. So you have a
lot of room for growth there before that 34 to1 is triggered. Um so at right now and for the foreseeable future the the gene hurly in its current location um works well with that 20 to1. That being said, and we can discuss this later with
the additional funding available um because the bids came in well, we have the opportunity to push that out a little bit and and uh Gene Hurley that is further to the west uh for a nominal amount of money which will put it underneath the 34 to1 and secure even
more of the future for the runway. So, um I know I'm talking a lot about a lot of stuff that you can't see, but hopefully uh I was able to convey an understanding of of what we're dealing with. So ultimately um our uh request tonight is to award the low bidder ECSC LLC in
the amount of 5,164,99762. >> So move second. >> I have a motion to second. Questions, comments? >> Yeah. So what would be the difference in what we're paying now if we wanted to get
ahead of the power curve and be proactive about and optimistic about future concerning this jet traffic and he heavier aircraft and going to that option how much more would that be? >> So we we've had those conversations that
is something that will be brought back to the council within one of the next two three meetings. Um I don't know something Mr. Atkins if he's will let me talk about it will but I mean I don't know if we need to get into potential change orders at the moment but we do have a plan for it. We plan to bring
that back within the next two three meetings because design will also have to be conducted prior to you getting a true cost estimate on construction. >> We're better off addressing that once we have design as part of that cost estimate because it will be a legitimate change.
>> Is this uh 5.1 million is this arbor? This project has three four pools of money. You have an FDOT grant for design in the amount of 650,000. You've got FDOT money in the amount of 2.5 as a change that was moved from the
dirt runway 1836 to here. Uh and then you have uh the county's ARPA money that they gave to the city interlocal agreement 5.5 million and then the city's offer money of 2 million that's dedicated to this. [clears throat]
>> Okay. Um and this is just to erase some concerns. Uh what happens if the project is not completed by December 31st uh regarding the ARPA funds? Is there a concern there? Is there um is that should that
be a consideration or something we should think about? >> That's something uh Liberty can speak on. Rackinson, I think ultimately we're pretty confident with the timeline we presented based on now, but I think we're over that. >> The best we can do is put in contract very stringent terms and put in damage provisions otherwise to make sure they
understand this has to be completed. Certainly, there are some things we can do if unemployable delays arise regarding the incumbrance of those funds. They can't just be allocated. have to be spent. We have some methods and some strategies we think can satisfy treasury
>> Mr. Sarin map. However, as we're laying that to the contractors as well, we'll do so between now and we bring back the construction agreement pressing upon the importance of time. Did we ever get a definitive answer uh
regarding um the uh Department of Transportation ARPA funds uh that the council asked for back in October of 25? >> Yes sir. S >> is that is that we got a definite on that that is >> they must be spent is the answer just in
to be spent. >> Okay. So it cannot be we can't get any extension. >> There are no extensions. >> It must be spent by December 31st. That is the unveiling Treasury rule. Now, come December 31st, like everything else, Treasury is always subject to
amend and change things. They've changed these rules a dozen times since it started. But the answer we got from Treasury is that their definition is spent under the standard Treasury guidance, which is not just incumbent. However, spent is not necessarily you've
already written a check for it. So, there are a few things Mr. Towns and I have discussed >> out of these other buckets of money. F dot and um okay so there's ARPA F dot and what else >> that's a two there's ARPA city ARPA
county and then two separate grant agreements with FD >> okay are there any penalties um for uh say like if you're behind schedule or specific milestones for incompletion or completion as far as the other
pots of money goes not the >> AR just Yeah, D we would just communicate with DOT if that were the case. I don't think that's going to be the case based on the timeline and the fact that Garver is wanting to work with DOT on the 2 and half million PPGA. So they're very
familiar with the timeline. The design funds are supposed to be expended there for too long anyways. Although they're probably supposed to be done now. Um so no I mean in terms of penalty I here at the city I've never we've never been penalized since I've been here for any of that. We've always received extensions
been my experience. Okay. Um, is this involved in anything to do with the the uh hangers that are being relocated? >> Two separate projects. We'll get to that. It'll be the next item. >> Okay. Is this money going to be 100% spent or
is there any more money to move around for anything else that we could capitalize on? Well, if you award this tonight, you're spending 5.1 million to change, which is a bit amount. Obviously, there's a change order to go to the 34 to1. That's going
to be more. So, it's likely if that happens, that could be an occurrence. When that occurs, we don't know. >> So, at this point, we don't want to do anything that would occur change order. [snorts] >> Well, no. Well, we're going to look at what change orders can be done because certainly a change order that is done
relative to this at the same point in time of the project could be cheaper than just doing the whole project or going back five years and trying to do it again. But those are things we're going to look. But the first entry 5.1 that's the number we're under budget and
that's the bid that's coming. If there's any money left, um, would the council consider the possibility of of sing the north south runway? >> I think the first step we'd have to do is look at whether or not we are able to lawfully transfer any of those monies
from any of these pots of monies into that. And if the council would like us to look into that, we hope we're in a position where we have excess money, but I can assure you moment we find excess money, we're going to be coming to you with airport related plans. So, that could be one we could look at, but we would definitely need to verify it. I do
not believe it will be a use of the county's money given their specific limitations on it, and I doubt it will fall under DOT specifically since we move money from the north south runway over. Could it be from our money? That's something we need to investigate.
>> Ter, you got any comments? >> Jeff, come over real quick. Mayor, uh, two things. One, I want to clarify on the on the 5.1 million. We're looking toward that's the base. That's alternative one, which is a runway extension. Alternative two is taxway
extension. Alternative three, a piece of Milan overlay of Gly Road. And alternative five, the Gurley Road realignment. Second question, Matt for clarification. Um, contingency. Is the contingency on this wrapped into the 5.1 or is that something we're going to add on top of
it, which I believe you and I have talked about? >> Yeah, the contingency is not included in that dollar amount. You would have a separate pot of contingency outside of $5.1 million. >> Yeah, Matt, can you go ahead? I know there's uh two there's three things
we're going to be factoring in. contingency that is um wildlife relocation these are budgeted numbers and then there's also a uh something through the FA flight some stud >> yeah so there's there's outside of the
5.1 million there are additional funds that will need to be expended as part of the project the the first is we need to pay the FAA to conduct a flight check upon completion of the runway extension and that we're working with the FAA right now on setting that
and and David, I I don't know if you can give a quick update on that. >> Yeah, I mean the the latest we've heard from the FAA as far as setting the approach for the new runway, they are tracking to to issue that by the end of this year. So they're as far as the FAA
is concerned, they are on schedule with the scheduled um completion of construction, but it's not if for some something happens with the FA schedule, it doesn't halt the project. The construction still continue, runway can still open. Uh but as of right now, the
FAA is on track with our construction schedule by end of a year. >> Okay. And so that's that's one of the elements. Uh the other element that uh will need to be addressed is the um relocation of gopher tortoises as part
of the EA or or CATX, you know, we there's an environmental component to that. Um and then from a permitting standpoint, gopher tortoises are protected and they are on site. So we are now going to be in the process of of
now that construction is is within 90 days of commencing we need to do a gopher tortoise survey and we will be conducting that gopher tortoise survey and then depending upon the outcome of the survey we will be relocating gopher tortoises and and there's a a cost
associated with that component. So that that's another item that is being held uh in contingency. And then I forget there's one other one out there, Kobe, and I don't remember what it is off the top of my head. >> Uh the the contingency for the whole
contract, right? Is didn't do 5%. >> Yeah. Yeah. So we recommended Thank you. We recommended that that money be set aside uh as a as contingency funds to address any unforeseen conditions that may occur as part of construction. So
that that pot of money will be set aside. The the contingency funds uh the FAA we will need to pay them. The gopher tortoises we'll have to pay to relocate them. Um the contingency if we don't
spend it that would go back to the city. >> Go ahead. >> Mayor, thank you. Um just [snorts] to to respond to Council's questions. So the runway project, the initial funding for it was $650,000
of legislative appropriation. That funding has to be used on your runway. So no, you can't use it for anything else and it's about four years old, which is okay. Um the second part were two sets of ARA funds. Um obviously the counties ARA funds were requested. They
were encumbered. Same thing with the cities. And so we have discussed as as Clay mentioned with the US Treasury and the word is expended. So, we are very aware and trust me, I think your city manager most in terms of getting that deadline done by December. Um, the other
funds in terms of uh the 3.2 million or so that was the dirt runway that was in the FDOT work plan, five-year work plan to get to a notice to proceed. And this has been a year and a half ago maybe. We had to talk and work with FDOT to
actually move those funds so that you had all the funds for the runway to even get started. Now you're under budget. Certainly things will come up and will happen, but those funds can only be used for the runway. Now you could ask DOT to move it back. It's a long process. And I
know Mayor you remember that there was a a report that we helped pull together and that was on the runway that it went to FDOT and to the FAA. was about that thick and it had to deal with um the EA not being completed previously. So, it's
a long way of saying there's been five years of moving parts. Um we will be shocked if there is anything left over that cannot be, you know, associated with the runway. Um it'll be great if you come in under under budget, but I think you may have wiggle room on on one
item. Uh and that would be again the $650 or $650,000, excuse me, the $3.2 $2 million uh FDOT work plan dollars. That is about the only thing that has flexibility on it. >> Thank you. Appreciate that.
>> Any question? I I'd just like to thank Liberty Partners for stepping in and um and doing the council's bidding on this. I mean, it there for a little while it seemed like we were in a pinch and wondering if we would be able to get this done by the end of the year. um you
reached out to the FAA and jumped through some hurdles that we were having difficulties with and um I just really like to thank you all for the work you're doing on this project. >> Thank you. You have a good quarterback, Kobe. Um everyone's been it's been a team effort. So, thanks. We appreciate it.
>> Thank you very much. Okay, >> Kobe. >> Okay. All right. So, >> are we still at a motion second? Can someone Clay or Kobe can you give us the motion? >> Motion be to award to the low bid or ECSC for the bid amount.
>> So move second. >> Okay. Any other questions, comments from anybody? >> Okay. I'm >> Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Come on up here. Come on up here. >> I've never done this before. >> All right. Then state your name and then you can make >> My name is Rachel Rub.
>> Okay. and I own property on Squirrel >> Haven. Yeah. Which is right behind Jean Hurley and I'm off >> Hakoba. >> The problem is I have $100,000 worth of horses. I have a $2 million house going up on Squirrel Haven. >> It is a 7,000 foot house. It is a really
big thing. I don't mind the airport. You know, it's it's good for the city and everything, but the problem is I'm going to have is where is where they're cutting in they're talking about extending Jeene Hurley. It comes right across Will Haven >> is where they're projecting both both
things that I've looked at is showing it's coming across. So what are they trying to do? Make our dead end road a go into Gene Hurley that's going to bring traffic that we already having issues with our it's a dirt road. >> Let me I don't know cut it short, but we're going to bring that up in detail
in just a on another item. Okay. >> We're going to specifically talk about squirrel uh squirrel haven. >> Yeah. because right now it's a dead end and what I don't want is I have they're very expensive horses and so we got construction traffic and they already
use woodyard as a raceway. >> Yeah. >> I think you're going to see something different here in a few minutes. >> Okay. I don't know what you've been told >> because we have you know all the daycare on Huckaba and all you know the blind and everything else and and that's our biggest concern is having our dead end
road that we've had for all this time and then you know all of a sudden this traffic we already yell at people speeding around at the end of the trailer. >> Well, go ahead. >> So it is this one. >> Oh it is on this one.
>> Yes sir. Okay. So, um, the initial plan, if you look at the city, the city's ALP, the initial layout of the road was to go beyond SP road, cut across it. Um, that's no longer the plan, right? So, um, this what we're talking about this
this realignment, the initial realignment we're talking about as alternative five is where Gene Hurley runs today. It comes, we're going to take the bottom half of that road, move it down some. It will not impact head road. Even the item council co is talking about which we won't get into great detail on moving that to the west
some more it still will not impact road physically. Now something that Matt may be able to answer this now and they've been looking into but initially because again the hump was going to be removed and was be leveled because of that approach surface crawl haven was going to have to be deadended on two ends.
>> Yeah. >> And we would have had to provide ingress and ingress for the residents on the north side of the road. >> Right. >> I'm not sure that's the case anymore. that answer that in a second because of the way we've elevated runway. But either way, um, Jean Hurley Road will not be going through traffic will not be connecting SC.
>> Okay. >> Yeah, because that was our biggest concern right there. And then coming down Huckabe as well because the one that owns that ement right now, we may purchase that property as well. >> So then that culde-sac would initially be ours. >> Culac is now counter.
>> Yeah, there's counter rival. >> But Mr. got it blocked off. So, we know >> now where are you located? >> I'm actually on the other I'm on the back side of his property. >> Okay. >> And there's two properties behind mine which you know we're trying to buy up
everybody to give us horses more space. >> Um and we'd like to keep it that way and you know we still in close the city and everything like that but >> they buted up our five acres we bought on wood yards. [laughter] >> I don't believe so.
>> Yeah. Okay. All right. >> Appreciate it. >> Good. Okay. >> Matt, have you been able to determine that yet with RPZ in Squirrel Haven? >> No, I have not. Kobe, we've been focused on a couple other things. But what I can
say and I think you are correct is that the the extension everything that we are talking about today does not impact Squirrel Haven uh road. We are even the the realignment and the possible shift is is 100 ft or so. It's not anything
that gets anywhere near Squirrel Haven route. >> Can we pull up M so we can sort of show the public what we're talking about? >> Yeah, [clears throat] Jesse, can you pull up your maps and go to the west side of the airfield? [clears throat] You don't have the airport layout,
but may I recommend we look at the the layout shows the initial design. >> I I [clears throat] I could probably share my screen, Toby, if that helps. >> I think we have it right now, man.
Turn it to satellite Michael just presently we we drive around the end of the runway and and what we can do here. All right. We can continue here. You heard the two options they talk
about the 20 to1 and the 34 to1. 34 to1 will take us 50 years down the road at least. 20 to1 may only take us 15 20 years. So if we did the 21, we can use the old highway here. We're going to
have to come down a little bit further and cut across here. The old road that we have right through here is, excuse me, the old road we got right here is too close to the runway. We're going to have to come down here and cut across with this. What Kobe just talked about a
while ago is we would actually here's Squirrel Run. We would come down here probably halfway across these lots here and then cut back across. So we would never hit Squirrel Run. It would not be affected at all and
uh you'd have new pavement from up here here over to where we decided. Are we going to run across that park or No. >> Yes. the uh the existing gene hurl from the east to west there. That whole line will shift down
it's 50 to 100 ft. >> So basically this will go all the way over to where >> these our hanger where the hangers right here. >> Yeah, >> I guess all the way over to here. Just tie back in all the way over here. So actually we're going to Here's where squirrel run. We're going to come short
of that. Uh we could legally come right here, but we're going to decide here in a few minutes the council will as to whether not come through here, which is a just a few hundred,000 more dollars, but it will you clarify something real quick. Yeah,
>> because I the first time [clears throat] you pointed I think it may bouncing around, >> but your finger went right across the sack on my property line. >> Okay. down off off of East is right is located right beside the property.
>> We're no longer going to use that. >> Okay. I just want to make sure cuz the first time your your >> Yes. Yeah. I was I was looking at this. >> Okay. So, that's completely off the table. >> It's off the table. >> Okay. >> Anyway, so
it'll be up to the council whether we go ahead with those recommendations or not. here and here and my neighbor and this guy has >> Yeah. Hang on, guys. Guys, guys, guys, let's pull the meeting back together here.
All right. [clears throat and cough] All right, Kobe. What do What do you need now? >> There's a motion in a second. >> Okay. >> For the runway. >> Okay. All right. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> I.
>> Eyes carry. Thank you very much. >> We uh >> we got more business here with engineer. >> Yes, sir. Okay. >> The next item which was the ad. >> Yeah. Okay. >> This is contract amendment number two. And I'll go through it quick in a
moment. Mr. Atinson has reviewed it. I apologize for adding this on. Uh we worked with Matt start Friday to us today. So ultimately um based off of the EA and the CADEX obviously that's a high level view we'll explain this in a
minute um about that there is government toes on site uh what you see before you amendment number two is a more indepth survey that will be conducted and this is what would lead to as we talked about a minute ago having a contingency for relocation this is what's required to
get to that point um so this is an amendment to Garver's contract for design CI in the amount of $60,500 of that $60,500. 26,000 is an if needed, meaning the uh
that 26,000 is in the case they had to come back. So if they do not have to come back for any reason and this is something that Matt and his team will monitor and pro manage for us, um then that will not be spent. That 26,000 would not be spent if that makes sense.
So change order and a not to exceed amount based on that. We do need a motion to approve as legal sufficiency. >> Motion to approve >> and we're changing >> we're adding to their contract. The change order is an additive. We're adding this to the scope of their
existing. >> Second. >> All right. I have a motion to say questions, >> comments from anyone. >> All in favor say I. I. >> I. I. I. All right. >> Thank you, Matt. That will be in contact
tomorrow. >> Thank you. >> All right. Sounds good. >> Thank you, David. >> Thank you, everybody. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. Were you able to hang that up? >> I think I did. >> Okay. Just make Yeah. Make sure your
mic. [laughter] >> All right, Kobe. We are on uh what we on six or seven. Seven. >> This will now be six. Mayor, this would be RFQ 202501 AP hangers 181920 development project unawward. So, uh, council, you all
recall, you all awarded the hangar development project design CI to barge in April of 2025. Uh, as you all know, we went through about a year trying to secure the easement for that that project. Ultimately, the last boy county commissioner meeting, they denied that
request from the city. And so, uh, we need to find some alternative. Before we do that, we need to clean it up. So I'm ask that you resend the award to bar design solutions for the design of CI of 18/1920 development. >> So move >> second.
>> I have a motion on a second. >> So what we're doing is changing engineers. >> No, no, sir. >> We're staying with barge. >> No, no, sir. All we're doing So there was an award made of this contract of barge. There has not actually been a
contract entered into for this project. As the county's action [clears throat] substantially changes the scope of what this development project engineering will look like, we need to unawward without having entered into a contract that so that we can bid the project when
we determine what other options we have. So we're not getting this is only changing one specific project and that's for hangers 18, 19, 20. So, we will come back to you when we have a different plan. >> So, we're just relocating them
>> and we're sticking with >> we'll need that. We'll need to bid again. >> Okay. So, we're not we're not we're not stuck with barge because you remember we had some bad history with them. >> So, this is simply unawwarding that particular design.
>> Any other questions, comments from anyone? All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> I carried. Thank you very much. >> And now here's that next step of direction. >> Yeah.
>> And mayor uh number seven discussion direction on hangers 18/1920 funding alternative plan of action. So council area is roughly 10,680,000 that was allocated or grant funding toward this hanger project. uh that is
from Department of Commerce, TR G Coast F and FDOT. So um we need to find an alternative use of those dollars. So as soon as uh the county made their actions in the 10th uh coordinated with Jennifer and Tim with Liberty partners on Andre
look at our options uh and talk about next steps. We ultimately identified as you'll see if you'll scroll down one just to sheet you will see on the city's ALP. Keep going a little bit. >> Keep going up that map. There you are.
>> Right there. >> Right there. >> Um you'll see right there at the south end of the airfield numbers 25 through 29. those red boxes with an associated taxway extension and access road on the west side of them. And so we talked
about that. We had a meeting with Commerce, the mayor and I did discuss what had occurred uh and Commerce's funding for this project. Commerce is very open to the idea and willing to help the city based on that outcome. Uh and is very eager to see this project go
through. So um our next step was to talk to the FAA to discuss it and to talk about this alternative course of action. The FAA was also very open to it. Did not have any concern because this project is on the ALP already. Um they
didn't see any particular issue. We discussed them some possible scenarios as we go back to grant agencies. Uh but again they're very willing to work with us on that uh to whatever that may look like. So ultimately what I'm asking for uh is a is a direction to send me to the grant
agencies to discuss an amendment or whatever type of change they would like to see to reallocate the funding from 189 20 to hangers 25 through 29. So >> second >> and ultimately what we're what we're
doing is we are going to look to build access road extend the taxi way and we will build as many hangers as our dollar will allow in accordance with trying commerce again you know we've had conversations with FA
on hanger size they are not particularly worried about that commerce is not neither is FAA they just want to see the project completed and see adequate space for what we're looking for So I don't know if Jennifer or Tim had anything further, but our next steps will be to go to those agencies and get changes and
bring them back to you. >> Okay, we got a motion second. Any questions? Go ahead. >> Question. [clears throat] When it was 181, 1920, did we have a square footage set on the size of those at So if we can if we have
the money to extend, you know, to get five, will they be smaller hangers? My question is, is we're extending the runway for corporate jets, >> will they be large enough to house this? >> So the uh particularly I believe the
commerce grant calls out the hanger size 110,000 26,000. Uh the current layout, the two bigger ones are 6,400 square feet. The three are smaller. That was a conversation we had with commerce. They typically did not have uh didn't matter to them. They just wanted from our
understanding at least three hangers built. Um and so same with FAA. If for some reason we get the triumph for commerce comes back says no we would like to square footage we coordinate that with FAA and they seem able to do that. Again I think just to remind everyone these are for job creation
hangers. So it won't be for housing planes or rent for uh for hangers space. So you know it'll be dependent upon that rather than flights coming in and out. [clears throat] >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yeah. >> And and this was important enough to get the governor down here. So the governor
came supported this project said I want to see that moving forward in defiac. So yeah >> very thankful for what he did for us. >> Any public comment? >> Yes ma'am. >> I'm sorry
I don't know what I'm talking about. I Randy L. I'm sorry. I've gotten kind of a quick education on all things airport but it is kind of sound like you know some things aren't working out so you're trying to figure something else out. And you guys have to have a hundred jobs
physically on the airport in four and a half years, right? >> It's 200 over a 10 year ramp up period. >> 500 over 10 years anywhere in the county. >> 500 over 10 years >> anywhere in the county. >> Correct. As long as they're attributed
to growth at the airport. >> You just have to connect it to what's coming in the airport. >> Is that what they call secondary growth >> or secondary indirect? >> Okay. Again, I don't claim to know what I'm talking about, but everything that I've read and asked about there, there's
something where it's something to do with these ARPA funds that 100 of those jobs have to be physically on. You guys are asking for ARPA. ARPA is for a different project. ARPA for the runway extension. >> Okay. So, that has nothing to do >> has nothing to do with this property. This project is funding from Department
of Commerce to the port job fund, Triumph, G Coast, and F2. >> Okay. >> All right. Well, I'm going sit down and shut up. Thank you. >> Okay. You know what else? >> I got some questions. >> Go ahead. >> Um, and this is all 100% grant money.
>> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Uh, none of it's coming out of local taxpayers, sir. >> Um, and this money can only be used for the airport. We can't use it for infrastructure elsewhere in the city. >> For the airport.
>> Okay. And the design of these hangers, is it gonna is this going to be uniformal? And uh is it going to look like it belongs there? Are they going to be is there some design issues that we
could make it really look appealing and look good instead of, you know, 10 sheds? >> I mean, as we go through the design process, I think we're going to build it for first intended use. >> Okay. So this money is just for the airport and the airport only.
>> It's for jobs. >> And the governor endorsed it. >> Gotcha. >> He brought the check. >> Yeah. >> All right. All good. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. I. >> I. Carrie. Thank you very much.
>> All right. Kobe, we want to move on to >> number eight. Mayor, >> the slogan. >> Yes, sir. So council, we brought that forth one or two meetings ago on some information about the slogan. We put out the survey as y'all requested receive
that information back. We received 409 individually distinct responses. Uh the number one result out of that of 140 at 840 was historic beauty, quiet charm. Um so ultimately I'm just looking for direction on how you'all like us to
proceed. We can proceed today. we could gather more data if that's what you're looking for. Uh either way, I think I would say that if we move forward today or or time in the future, um we're not going to do a big logo revamp. We will slowly work it in. We'll start putting
it into materials and social media marketing and then, you know, as we move forward from there, we won't do a very expensive campaign on logo reamp. So, just looking for direction. I don't like it to proceed. Did anybody on the council have any
another favorite other than >> Let me hear it. >> Everyone's hometown. >> That was mine. >> Yeah. It's simple, you know, and it pretty much describes us.
>> Any way we can make a motion to do that? >> Yeah, you can make motion. I'd like to make a motion that our town's motto is everybody's hometown. >> Second. >> You second. [laughter] >> Okay. Any comments or questions? >> I'd like for everybody to put on their
calendar that Todd and I agreed on something. [laughter] >> We've agreed on any comments. Be the first one to vote and get my third on this. [laughter] Go ahead. >> [cough] >> I like the way it sounds. However, it's
descriptive of everybody's hometown. It doesn't do anything to distinguish us. The other one does. >> Thank you. Anyone else? >> I do like the one that was the most popular. Um, I guess the history thing
got me, you know, and and the charm of course, but the historic beauty and the and the and the quite John charm is is simple and to me it's a good reflection of of our community. >> Yeah.
>> Yes, ma'am. >> Yeah. My only thing is why do a survey if you don't come back to original diagnosis? >> [laughter] >> Thank you. [clears throat] Okay.
All right. Unless there's a substitute motion. Uh all in favor say I. >> No. >> Yeah. >> I >> All right. So, >> I was going to suggest we wait till Amy comes back. [laughter]
>> Yeah. Looks like we might >> that motion fails. >> Yeah, >> because that mo the motion fails to pass. So come back up. Councilwoman He's here. But for that to be the recommendation have to be Councilwoman
Hein, Councilman Harrison, Councilman Skers to bring that specific SL. >> Okay, we'll bring it back. >> We'll kick it around. Okay, Kobe. >> Mayor, my last one be number nine. >> Okay. uh update on the fire assessment process and schedule. Uh the fire chief
and I had our kickoff meeting with the consultant for the fire assessment. Um and so you will see in the item a pretty basic um calendar of events that we'll be looking at. There's a more detailed one I provided all of you and some additional information for you to
review. Um ultimately um this is just for you to have a look at. We will be looking to set a workshop at four o'clock before our second meeting in April. Before that, the consultant would like to do one-on- ones with each of you. And I believe Simon has been reaching out to a couple of y'all today
and set those up. And so, uh, they would love to come and be here all day in person and funnel through where they're also willing to do Zoom, whatever come they schedule. So, um, we'll be reaching out to you, get that set up for you to have those one on, and then we will be here, uh, April 27th for [snorts] our
workshop before our regular meeting. So that's all just an update of where we're at. >> All right. All right. We ready to move on? >> Yeah. >> Okay. We'll go to 5A with the community development director, Mr. Chris Wallace.
council. [cough and clears throat] >> You recall our our meeting in February, Habitat for Humanity was here to have their final plan approved and there was some discussion about a variance request. Um
they would like to construct five home foundations concurrently with the uh construction of the infrastructure which is a sewer line. So what they are requesting is a variance to construct five home foundations concurrent with
the infrastructure improvements that they're required to make. >> Okay. >> So I would recommend that we hold public hearing on variance request and then approve the variance request. So move >> second. >> I have a motion on second. Did they I
know that uh the report planning board hadn't they been for us or not? This is the one that came and we asked the expedited track to come by. >> Oh, okay. >> So, you heard about this? >> Okay. I thought so. >> 30 days ago. >> Okay. Okay. [clears throat] Because they they were kind of under a gun here for this funding and stuff. I got you. All
right. Any questions, council? Anyone else? >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. I. >> I. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Mr. Wall. >> All right. They're going to open the floor for citizen comments. And uh
please limit 3 minutes. State your name and if you're representing an organization, state that as well. So the floor is open for public comment. Henderson representing Forward Sprint Triathlon is on track. I want you
to sign up as a racer or come out as a spectator. bring your cabells and everything else that makes noise because it really um urges the racers on and they have commented in the past that
they enjoy coming here because of the support of the community and I ask everybody to come. It's on May the second. You have to get up a little early. May the second, >> my second u announcement, our own city council
member Todd Fairbomb will speak on the city ordinances for historic preservation at the workshop this Thursday uh at 5:00 at the Chicago building. I urge everybody to come um the second speaker
um as a sub because Chris couldn't come. [clears throat] Um I'm going to talk about history mysteries Florida panhandle pioneers because all of these topics that come up the participants have asked for these topics. So
>> thank you very much. >> Anyone else >> always council if anyone else expects to attend please let us know we try to notice that be in there try to notice if someone else is going to be there. Okay. Any other public comment?
Alrighty. We'll close the floor for comments and we will move to >> Well, Clay, you got anything? >> No, sir. >> Okay. And uh we'll go to Mr. Cosen with 9A1. >> Okay. So, um, this has been a good learning year for
me, and this is, uh, one of the things I'd like to bring up to you to think about for future projects. Um, the Twin Lake Drives project. Uh, there was a public meeting at the community center [clears throat] um, a few days ago. Um
there was a lot of good questions that were asked and one of the questions was um the sewer system that's runs under that road. Um I got conflicting uh
information. Some people said one city employee said it was the clay terracotta pots. Uh and another city another city employee said it was um PVC.
Either one. Uh these pipes have a shelf life and I think PVC is like 50 years and then you can start expecting some maintenance issues. U maybe you can sleeve them, maybe you can't. Um, I
asked if the uh the heart of any road, whether it's an interstate or it's a city street, is the hard pan or the base. And this base was put here um back in the 40s.
And we've got some infrastructure issues. We've got some drainage issues. Nothing major, but enough to be concerned about. um gas, water, things like that. Um there's no not going to be any sidewalks. There's not going to be
any street lights and uh rest of the infrastructure things that bring quality to life. And this is not a slam on um on three notch and it's not a slam on our city. I asked three notch if they took
core samples and they said no because that wasn't part of the bid. So, uh, the core samples is what tests the the hard pan of base. Um, and they said, uh, three notch said that they were given a dollar amount and said work
with this and they did the best they could and they and the city did the best we could with the funds that are available. And I don't know if I'm living uh
in the world of reality or not, but I would like to think that when we do a project, it's like a once and done. We do it right the first time. We get a lot of good use out of it. We don't have to worry about it for another generation or
two. And um this is because the can has constantly been kicked down the road and down the road down the road long long before any of us ever said it was nice a long time ago. But I would like to think that when we
start doing major infrastructure uh projects that we're not going to do road improvements over aging infrastructure that you know it's going to look good with a new with new asphalt
on top. That's going to look good. It's going to be serviceable and everybody's going to love it for a few years. But then we're going to start digging it up and doing like we are right here around our city right here in the historic district where it's constant patchwork all you know that's just the
world we live in right now. [clears throat] So this isn't anything uh to uh stir the pot. I'm not asking to make a motion. I'm just saying that when we consider improving our infrastructure um you know there's two ways of doing it
and you could describe it different ways. you say it's you do it the right way or you know you do what you have to to get by. Another way of wording that would be you do it the expensive way or you do it with the budget you got. So we're working with the budget we've got
and when we when we move forward it would be nice if we could all get on the same page and make up for a lot of the lack of in infrastructure that we've had for decades for decades. So that's all I wanted to say about Twin Oaks.
>> Okay. [clears throat] >> Go ahead. >> Comment. You okay? Any comment? >> Sure. >> Um, so Council and I talked about it. I think I think we've all talked about it a number of times. We We've been tracking the utility side of it. The
utility was not included in the original grant. The original grant 23 was for Milanova. Um it didn't and in there three notch is now working to find a storm water solution with the existing ground that there is without putting in
a storm water system because it would have to run to 90. There is none along the road. So that's one um you know we've talked about as we move forward in projects we looking at that complete street aspect of factoring that in from from the getgo. Um but we've picked this
project up where it is and so we will be looking at utilities. They've already came the lines uh three knots has already been coordinating with anchor on the water line AC water man AC water main and this particular part of town was stage three so years out we are now moving this particular project to the
front working with anchor on that. So again, we're going through all that before you see it in 90% design, but we've got to find the funding in both the water department and in the natural gas natural gas line as well. Um the sewer line I can represent to you based on city maps, it is PVC. Um so those
things have to be considered. Those lines both gas and water, they may come in and out of the road that may cause damage to the base as well as I see take that consideration before we rip the lines up and replace them. But at this moment the base there's no money in there in that grant to redo the base of
reconstruction per se. So just want to be I just want to be clear. I think we talked about it in here. We're looking at all that. We hope to be proactive and bring that to you uh before we bring you 90% design plans. >> Didn't you say in a previous uh city
council meeting that we were under federal mandate to replace the asbestous water lines? >> Yes. AC water main is a project. And it's bigger than just Twin Lakes >> and and those are under the Twin Lakes road. >> It's in the right way of Twin Lakes. >> Okay. So, we would not have to dig up
the street to replace those lines. >> There may be sections that may have to occur. >> All right. >> Majority of it is in the right. >> But did you say the sewer line is PVC all the way through? >> Correct. Based on staff's maps and their
cameraing up here lately, it is all PVC. >> And what's the what year would they put down? That's >> okay. >> It's not here. Like I said, they came the line here recently for uh you'll recall the cleanouts we talked about on 28 drive the conversation about cleanouts and went through that. So
there they haven't identified any major concerns with these repairs in the mall. Again, we will take consideration all that before we repave this road. >> Okay. >> All right. Go ahead. Now >> the next thing is um finance director.
Okay. So this isn't for a vote. This is just voicing some ideas. We paid this guy $26,000 to How much did we pay this company to
find us a finance direct? >> 18,000 a potential $3,000 per. >> Okay. So, the first go around he couldn't even find anybody that met our qualifications.
And [clears throat] how far is the net he's throwing? What's the radius? >> The first round was nationwide. The second round is a statewide. >> Okay. So I found out that
his primary source of finding people is this website calling uh called Indeed. Is that it? What's it called? >> They have there's multiple advertisements they run it on. >> Okay. What's the one we use? >> We use multiple. Indeed, LinkedIn if
it's on this particular professional page, it may go on APWA. It make sa GFA. >> Okay. So I I was concerned that if he's doing a national search [snorts] and can't even meet
what we ask him to look for. Are we looking for a unicorn and I'm wondering uh I know unicorns exist. [laughter] We got one that's absent tonight. that
meets all those requirements and I refuse to believe that she's the only unicorn in the United States for the state of Florida. Um, having said that, we put in a lot of time and energy and effort and money on trying to find a
finance director. And right now, the the prospects are looking pretty pretty dim. Would it be a cheap shot if we just put this on Kobe's back and say, "Go get us a finance director and have them answer directly to you."
And if if it fails, it's on the city manager. >> Well, one, that's an ordinance change. So, you you know whether whenever that happens, you got to change the ordinance. two, you got a grand jury report that you're basically saying we don't care
about. >> Well, Kobe, didn't you pretty much recommend this several meetings ago? >> I did. I Mr. Aton has a conversation. We've all had it. Yes, I did. But I I understand
what he's saying and I just have your point of view. But again, the council chose the other direction. That's the direction we'll move forward. >> This isn't for a vote. this is, you know, and and I didn't listen to you then, but if you're willing to take that on
and we don't have to lower the bar to anything ridiculous. Well, who [clears throat] finds your finance director? Andrew can conduct if he thinks he can find your finance director. The question is the reason they're not being hired because they y'all have to
vote. >> So, so what's the process? We first of all have to reconfigure the qualifications. >> No, sir. The ordin Well, I mean, if you want to change qualifications, you got to change the ordinance again. >> Okay. But >> you changed that last year.
>> But we can get a a finance director that doesn't meet this really high bar without changing the ordinance. No, >> y'all changed it to make that very high volume. That's what the council chose to
do in 2025. >> So, do we sit here for another 10 years looking for a finance director that meets the qualifications we have now or what? These these these qualifications, they exist. I don't know why we can't
find them. I don't know if it's because they don't want to work for uh five people. They'd rather work for one person. I don't know if that's the the problem. But finding
a CPA with eight years of government experience in the state of Florida shouldn't be that hard. I mean, we got 28 million people in the state of Florida. I'm sure there's somewhere in there some good CPAs that
could that could do this. And I'm wondering if the catch is they don't want to work for five people. They want to work for one person. I don't know. What are your thoughts on this? >> I I kind of agree with you to an extent on
that. Tonight's meeting has been very nice and the one a couple of weeks ago was very nice. >> I don't want to change that. No, I don't either because it's a true business meeting and it's for us to come together, talk about business, and give staff direction on things. Tonight has
been great. The one a couple meetings ago was great, too. Um, I say that because it seems like since I've been on this council that I've seen them go from business meetings to almost a sprinter show at one moment and for a good years
and we get angry mobs in the crowd. We get it up here too. It shouldn't be that way. This is supposed to be about coming to this DAS to conduct business for the city. So, I agree with you is what I'm getting to on that. I think that we have created a lot of these problems and we
have to get it under control. Tonight has been great and and I hope that all of our future meetings go like that because we're making there's a lot of good fruitful discussions tonight. So, um I don't know what the answer is though. That's why I kind of brought it up a
little bit last meeting was just to throw it out there and see how long are we going to >> continue to wait. But >> I also kind of agree with councilwoman. If we cannot get >> a finance director right now, we're everything's good because we got Danielle still here.
What happens when Danielle says, you know, I have been handling the contract side of this, but now I am ready to go. And then we've got to get a company or somebody to come in and take that piece over because we can't get a finance director. >> So, you're saying outsource it?
>> Saying it's possible. So, I would still want to look at everything there. I I would want to look at how much it's going to cost us compared to our own in-house, but >> [clears throat] >> um there's a lot more to that is what I'm getting to. Well, you know, we're on camera every time we have a meeting and trust me,
these candidates look at it, you know, and uh I would think, you know, just looking over the last six months or even the last three months, I think, my god, I don't want part of that. >> [laughter] >> Uh >> but we're getting better. >> We're getting better. We need to stay
better. >> This this has been a learning curve. >> Yeah. >> But uh >> I'll have to give it to you. Mayor, you cleaned up your act a lot. >> Thank you. [laughter] I'm trying to stay a little quieter.
>> Me, too. [clears throat] >> Okay. And I will say the direct hiring is not the primary concern. It's the reporting requirement for grand jury. I'm going be very clear about that. If the answer is
the city manager has the full control over the spend and has full control over the person that is checking balance, that's the challenge the grand jury. So it's not about if the council wants to give up their hiring and firing authority over the finance director
and retaining reporting obligation. I don't see the issue there to give a little relief to Danielle and Kobe who's wearing multiple hats right now. What do you think about maybe
experimenting, trying test driving an interim that we think might check all the boxes, not on a on a contractual basis?
>> What are your thoughts on that? >> What's up with the council? >> I mean, what are the pros and cons? I'd like to hear them. [clears throat] >> [snorts] >> Well, you know, you get a really good manager like we have now. We'd love for him to take full control
and and uh but then you get kind of a foolish manager. Then you think, God, why' we let him take full control and then vice versa, you get a very good person in finance, then
it makes all difference in the world. You get somebody that's a jerk. >> Well, I've seen from history that this that people who have set at this dice right here doesn't have any problems getting rid of people. >> No, that's for sure. That's for sure. Yeah, we we keep a little XLax around
here and uh [laughter] we keep the place cleaned out real real well. [clears throat] But, uh but we got to put some food back in the tank. enough. >> Since we do have probably one of the best city managers this city's ever had,
if not the best, I put my trust in him on picking somebody and answering to him. And you're up for that. Correct. >> My recommendation to y'all is still the same.
Is this something we want to put on the agenda say for the next meeting or this something we just need to talk about, think about? >> Yeah, we need to find out what everything we would be obligated to do and change as Clay had mentioned.
>> Two public hearings of an ordinance if y'all want to change to the higher RS. >> But we hear that then the council can make that decision. And >> and I think the reason we're not getting a unicorn
is because maybe the way we've conducted business in the not too distant past and I'll take a lot of blame for that. >> Well, we can all share in that. But that
uh is that what we want to do? We want see what our obligations will be and then decide if we want to go that route. >> [laughter] >> Well, I would say there's probably three things that have created this problem. One is, you know, the past meetings and
and what have you and we haven't helped ourselves and and so, you know, we have pointed out in council meetings that, hey, you know, what what are we thinking here? Because applicants are watching and these meetings. If I'm applying for a job, I'm watching that city council and I know anybody any professional is
doing the same thing. >> And so, you know, but that's that's British That's water under the bridge. Um, but the requirements that we debated and debated debated debated on on on increasing the the the qualifications
and experience and all that. We we and and and there was some concern expressed, you know, about that. You know, being a former educator, I believe that anybody's professional enough to positions these folks have had with a few years of experience and education
requirements, if they fall short on on one qualification or something, they're capable of getting it pretty pretty quickly if we're flexible enough to get a good person and to allow them to go after those qualifications. So, I think we've ruled oursel, you know, we're
narrowing the field, so to speak. Now we in the last meeting [clears throat] we talked about finance director uh someone brought up the idea of u the consultant maybe pursuing some second or third choices from Tallahassee or other
communities. Remember that conversation uh applicants um have we done have they done that? Do you know if if they reached out to look at any of those? >> I spoke to Gary. I intend to send an email >> types of candidates, but um you know, as
far as a council versus city manager, um I just want what's effective. I mean, you know, you could have a city city manager that that spins loosely, gets us into trouble, you know, having control over a finance director. I get that. You can also have five council members that
all uh pull the legs and arms off of a finance director, you know, one at a time uh every week and and that's an impossible situation for anybody worked their sought to work under for very long and keep them.
>> So it our councils can vary and they will over the years you know so maybe I don't know maybe that >> you sound like somebody been lobster diving. But no, >> I have a lot of my friends the time they get that lobster out of the hole, they pulled off every leg and they got a pile of them, >> you know, and antennas.
>> Yeah. >> So, well, what's the will of the council here as far as we don't have to have a hard vote tonight, but what do you what do you guys think? >> So, I I agree with with a lot that's been said tonight on on this particular
topic. Um, you know, I was I was down at Disney this week enjoying some relaxation among the many crowds, but we went to the Hall of Presidents and it always starts off I love going in there and and listening to it, but it talks
about our founding fathers hammering out our Constitution. And they didn't, as it as it says in the in the show, they didn't hammer it out in one session. They took months of heated debate to form our constitution.
And I would imagine that if we were to somehow find a time machine and go back, we we probably would be appalled because these were these were men that were locked in a room and debated for months that the ins and outs, the intricacies
of of governance of a nation >> and probably had their own Jerry Springer show. >> That's right. That's what I'm getting at is I I bet money behind those closed doors of those sessions, it wasn't prim and proper. >> And so
I get a little exasperated when I hear people talk about how we've had disagreements and, you know, didn't see eye to eye on something and how that's a bad thing. Because I can guarantee you that if we got up here and every single
agenda item up here was just rubber stamp, rubber stamp, rubber stamp, and nobody nobody disagreed. The the exact opposite would be called of all of us. They're [clears throat] all colluding. They're all they're all working together behind the scenes. You know, look at them. They're all just rubber stamping all this. They're not
disagreeing. We'd be called out for that. So, it's healthy to to have disagreements at the diet. So, I don't see it the same way as other people when when we get up here and we disagree and we hammer it out. That
that's that's what we should be doing. By Florida law, we have to do this in public. one of the most healthy companies that I've I've been a part of. We had a weekly manager meeting and it was understood when all of us there was
there was like 10 managers when when we walked into that boardroom every Wednesday at 10:00 and we shut the door, we were brutally honest with each other. And there was there were some times when I whenever I was in those meetings and I was just I was taken back by the brutal
honesty between them. But when we walked out that door and we walked back into the rest of the company, we were a unified front. And I think that's how it should play out here. Unfortunately, we have we don't have the luxury of closing that door because of Florida sunshine
law. We have to debate, discuss, and say, "Hey, I see it this way, you see it that way. How can we compromise and how can we work it out?" I think that's part of it. And if anybody gets bothered by that, that's how that's how it's made. That's how the sausage is made.
Uh when it comes to the finance director, I' I've spoken at length about how I my own personal experiences of having a good city manager and having a not so good city manager
and being concerned about what the grand jury report pointed out. and and I I've while I've not experienced the exact things that a grand jury report outlined, I've come close and it's it's it's caused alarm
within me as a city council member to have a city manager say, "No, you can't go to the finance director because that that's happened to me. I've said, I've got questions about the budget. We're we're in the middle of budget season. I want to go talk to the finance director. No, you have to go through the mail."
that that's troubling. So that's why I want the check and balance of us being able to have that report. So I I don't believe this is just me. This is my own opinion. I don't believe that
the reporting structure as it stands right now is the impediment. I agree with with Councilman Harrison. We we have debated very heavily those requirements, but we have painted ourselves into a particular corner to where we have no flexibility because I
agree with Councilman Harrison. Like when I have had to make higher decisions for for people in it, I have hired people that checked all the boxes and they they did not turn out very well. And I've also hired people that didn't
know a lick about it, but during the interview they said,"I like studying history because I can learn from what's going on." And I caught that in the interview. And I hired that person. And they were one of the best IT people that I had ever hired. Why? Because they were
constantly learning. They were flexible. They were pliable. They could pick up on new ideas and new concepts. So that's what interests me. I'm like Councilman Harrison. I'm not interested in ticking off every box. I'm interested in interviewing somebody and saying, "Are
you adaptable? Are you teachable? Are you trainable? Do you learn on your feet?" Those are the qualities that are important to me because we we've we've hired people that have checked every box when it comes to a fine instructor. And they're no longer here.
And and I I can say that for a fact for at least two out of the last three. And we can say the same thing about people that weren't qualified for the job that you know was just crashed and burnt. >> That's exactly exactly.
So that's why to me we have to look at more than just a box of qualifications. And that's why I agree. I think that we have painted ourselves into a little bit of a corner looking for a unicorn that we're we're probably never going to find. And and quite frankly, just being
completely blunt, don't want to upset anybody, but just being completely blunt. If it truly was, okay, Kobe can find us that person, why hasn't he done it? And again, I'm not dogging on Kobe. I'm just I'm asking the rhetorical question. If we truly believe
that this is the the main impediment here is that we haven't unleashed Kobe to do it, he could he could bring forth someone right now. >> Okay? because even before we hired the this this company, we had basically just an open an open um
application period. So that's where I'm like that doesn't make sense. If it's if it's truly Kobe that can that can get us that person, why hasn't that that person materialized already? >> You know, Kobe's wearing so many hats right now. He's he's wearing the finance
dire director hat. He just finished wearing the clerk uh the city clerk's hat. He's wearing the the city manager hat. And in the in the not too distant future,
there's the pos, you know, I don't know what's going to happen, but there's a possibility you could be wearing the CRA hat. So, we've got an HR director, but she had a staff member taken away
from her when we were downsizing to try and pay the bills. And she's barely keeping her nose above water. Barely. I'm not so sure that I I really don't
believe it's it's a unicorn because I know that I know they're out there. She's not the only one in the state of Florida that meets those qualifications. And since you're being brutally honest, I think it's us.
I think when y'all said they watch YouTube, [clears throat] I think it's us. Um, and I think it's like I don't want to work for five of those idiots, you know. >> I I I disagree because we had plenty of candidates that were presented to us. We
had plenty of applicants that that we paid Sumpter to whittle down and how how many did he did he present? >> Three. Three. >> He presented three. But but the first round he he down from like what was it 15 or 20?
>> I think they interviewed five to 14. the first thing he the first thing that we cut out on that group he brought to us is that uh the ones that didn't have any experience in Florida and I thought she kind of brought up a really good uh uh
statement when she said this is not a training ground you know we need somebody to come in here and get hit the ground running so >> okay but are we looking to hire a professional or are we looking to hire someone that checks all the boxes >> we're looking to hire again you be when
you who says a professional can't check all the boxes? >> I'm not saying that. [clears throat] But we we have we have a situation where we have made the boxes so stringent that nobody qualifies. >> Is is is it the fact that they don't
qualify or is it the fact that they don't want to put in an application? >> That's literally what we we said at the last meeting with those three candidates that were brought forward. We rejected them because they did did not meet our minimum qualifications. That was the reason that we gave for rejecting those
three candidates out of the 20 that they called through. There was actually one in there that I would have been willing to interview, but because they didn't have Florida specific experience and and I will be the first one to say I was an advocate
for that. I was an advocate for that requirement because [clears throat] I went through a finance director that every time I asked her a question, I got well back in Alabama, this is how we did it. Honey, we ain't in Alabama anymore.
So, I get it. I was one of the ones to to push for that that same thing. But I think that we need to have some flexibility to say, you know what, the totality of the circumstance is you may not have this one particular checkbox, but we're willing to say
we think that you can handle that because you you don't you don't have eight years of experience in Florida, but you demonstrated through an interview process and through us talking to you, you have the capacity as a leader to come in and take care of that.
But right now, we don't have that flexibility. To me, that's the core issue. The core issue is not reporting structure and who's in charge and does Kobe hire him? Do we hire him? That hasn't been the issue. The issue has been we painted
ourselves into a corner. >> The eight the eight years might be a lot. You know, if we were hiring a city manager under the same circumstances, we wouldn't have copyright, right? So, he's a good example of what a professional
smart individual can do uh without all all of the experience. And that that just occurred to me that, you know, he he's a prime example of that. So, I mean, we we could get a candidate with five years of experience, you know, in Florida, you know, and and if that that
person did with bang things, you know, boom. So, you know, I mean, that's the way I I would look at someone like that. If they have a tremendous track record where they whatever city in Florida they worked at and and did a did a jam-up job. Um, to me, that that's a
demonstration of of the qualifications that we're looking for. Um, Kobe didn't need a warm-up period. He was already in house working directly for the interim city manager. So Kobe was up to speed when he hit the ground running.
>> Well, Kobe, I tell you, one of the things that impressed me the most about Kobe uh is the fact that he went out to other city managers and county administrators uh in the neighborhood, some of them maybe outside the neighborhood, and got
tons of advice. I'm going to tell you, and I say this again, again, I say it every year at the students, I tell them the same thing. I said, if you want to be a leader, you got to be a student. when you decide you're not a student anymore, you need to get out of leadership. If you're gonna stay in leadership, you better stay a student.
And so I really appreciate the way that Kobe and he still does it. He still does. He reaches out to other managers, county [clears throat] administrators. Uh that is and you know the League of Cities man that's one of their main nuggets they give to us is that we've
got people all over the state of Florida that ready to stand ready to help us if we'll just ask them you know and they somebody's been through your experience >> you know and uh but anyway back to the you know I agree Dan both two things is
one I think we have made the the requirements way too stringent and number two I do believe we've kind shot herself in the foot. Uh just some of our public uh display. >> So one more thing I think we had this
conversation that we extended the search advertisement of 30 days. Correct. And didn't we decide that if he brings back if he runs across three candidates before that 30 days, he can bring them to us. Is that is that correct? >> Any number.
>> Any candidate at all. Um, so you know, I I mean I'm I I tend to lean towards we're already we're already paying them, you know, and and just just let them let them continue to search. I I would like at some point us to consider, you know,
whether our qualifications are it are part of the problem. Um, I am optimistic that we we're going to continue to to to make progress and you know, disagreement is is one thing. It's going to happen. Our coach has told me
several times he's so glad we have a council where we have split votes sometimes and we have three twos because of the very thing you said councilman beam about what the public perception is with everybody's always 50 and and then they start thinking we're we're talking behind the scenes and all that we do not
do that and and so the disagreement is good there's a proper way to disagree and I think that's where we need improvement I would like for um for our head hunters do a little background check before they bring some to us too that there's plenty
of sources that are out there to look at these applicants a little bit before you bring them to us because I promise you I'll look at it and um it it's someone a couple of times I just wanted them to be just a little bit diligent about
And one of the things that this guy needs to know, our head hunter, is that if we've got a $61 million a year budget, don't bring us somebody that comes from a $20 million a year budget. I don't think, you know, that's kind of
like apples and oranges. I mean, there's a major learning curve there, isn't it? >> I I'd be more I just look at how successful they were with the practice with what they were given. I'm not saying you you you got a a very small budget, but 20 versus 60, what were you
accomplishing with that budget? What were you putting together for the people that you served? How how well did you do your job? When I left the sheriff's office, I I consolidated all the it was two and a half racks worth of servers
into into three ESX. Josh Josh knows because he took took over my position. I went to a job again where I was managing at the sheriff's office 20 30 servers at the most. I went to a job where just on the west coast
alone they had 8,000. I went from here to here and I'm I'm still there. [laughter] So, I don't necessarily throw the baby out with bath water when I when someone
says, "Well, I only managed a $20 million budget." Again, I want to with with hiring. I want to get into the nuts and bolts of who you are. Are you capable of learning? Are you capable of expanding your horizons? That's what I'm interested in. Do they
have the technical chops to be able to to to grow, to scale? and the one that had the $20 million a year budget. There was a lot of job hop in there, >> right? And to me, that's where you got to look at all you got to look at the whole picture,
>> but just on the comparing budgets and Liberty probably tell you because they've been around here a long time seeing monies that come fed and mainly from the state, but that you know it comes in cycles. There's some years there's big money and for us say we had
$60 million. Yeah. Well, what were you just a few years ago? Well, we were 23 million, >> right? >> You know, few years, well, we were 15 million. Do you think you're going to have 60s something million every year? No way. No way. You the the dollars we talked about tonight, the airport,
there's a big big chunk of that. The airport's going to get finished and we're not going to be looking at 60s something million dollar a year budgets. It's going to go way down. So there's there's certain things that why somebody's only 20 and somebody's 61 or
whatever. So I don't put a lot of stock in that either. But how they handle it, I do how they handle that 20 million I'll put a lot of stock in. >> Let's wrap this up. >> I'm ready. >> All right, Kobe, go ahead.
>> Only one mayor. Uh you haven't been out there yet. Obviously staff does a great job. Andre, but every single bush is a full like me. You need to get out of office. I recommend you go right there.
>> All righty. We'll do comments starting with Josh. >> I got none of this. >> All right, Glenn. >> Uh, just to brag on the tractor parade and farmers market kickoff on the 14th. Um, I believe they had probably twice as many tractors this year as they've had in past years. So, it's growing every
year. tremendous crowd, especially for the first Saturday of spring break week. Um, it it was a good good weekend, but staff did wonderful job. They're working all over the place. >> Dan, >> this is the first tractor parade I've
missed. Um, Donnie Richardson was out of town, so I couldn't borrow his tractor. >> So, I'm looking forward to being back here next year. >> Good deal, Tom. >> Sir, >> one more for Don. Go ahead. >> One alibi. Um, and I'm not soliciting
for business. It's for the city. So, um, Miss Sarah and the DBPA are selling barbecue plates on Friday, this Friday to raise funds for the Fourth of July fireworks show. So, everybody, please go buy barbecue sandwiches, plates for Miss. It's going to be at Ace Hardware.
Uh, they start around 10:30. >> Thank you very much. All right, we'll call this meeting a journ. is