I think price is still pretty high. You got something you're going to sell. So just I'm bringing this meeting to order the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it
stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> We'll do a quick prayer. >> Oh, heavenly father, we thank you for this beautiful day you gave us and all the blessings that you have bestowed upon us, Lord. We ask you be with us tonight as we make decisions to beautify
our city, Lord, and hope that we do in a way to honor you. These things we say in your name. Amen. >> Amen. Okay. Has everyone looked over the minutes? >> Yes. I'll make a motion that we accept the minutes.
That's right. Okay. As far as the um any updates with Kim, should we just pass over? >> I can address I think I supposed to be >> for me. We've been working several months trying to find who to contact about taking down the big old century
length tower on Baldwin. >> And I talked to this guy named Bill yesterday. I saw him and I just pulled over, talked to him and he's promised me he's going to get me a contact to try to get the ball rolling. I'm taking that tower down. You know, we've
been what talking about this for three or four months. If anybody else has any connections or knows anybody know Lumen bought out Century Link. So if anybody else can, you know, find who we need to get a hold of because
they act like they would even help fund part of taking it down and letting the city have the the metal or whatever. So, you know, hope we can get some more information on that because, you know, but they want it gone because they have
trouble with lightning hitting it >> and then coming down and messing with their equipment in the building. >> Wouldn't it be their responsibility anyhow? I mean, >> is it would it be any of the city's obligation to help fund take it down? We
would just want to do that because >> we didn't we thought it's an eyesore. You know, we're trying to >> So, is that something that we could possibly if if we need funding, is that something that we could present to CRA being that it's an eyesore? >> That's a good that's a good question,
right? Because uh I don't know if Ma has main street talked about brought up, >> but you don't really notice it, but then when you look at it, it is a shore. The biggest thing that we've talked about the Century Link building is that's the ideal wall to do the welcome to Definia
mural where the Tesla is. So if we have a contact of who owns that now, that's >> permission to do a mural. >> Yeah, that I would like to see that. >> But somebody I'll keep pursuing it, but you know, somebody else comes up with something or know somebody.
>> Now when you talk about mural, you're not talking about in the road or anything, correct? >> No, it's on the wall. the it's um this board actually uh had it drawn up. It's Pensacola has one. It says welcome to and it looks like the old postcard defiac springs and in each letter is a landmark but it's just it's on the wall
but it's right where Tesla is. So it would be the first it's the first wall that you see in the downtown area. >> You're not talking about the knee wall. >> No. >> Okay. >> No, it's a white building. >> The good news was the man that works for Lumen, he gave us kudos for the
landscaping. He really liked the landscaping we did on the corner. Right. >> So, he really liked it >> and it it's held up. >> You're talking about the the old Centry Link building. >> Yeah. Okay. I got That's sort of the beginning of We're trying to >> So, unless Kim has more to add to that, >> then we'll move on to Chipley Park
master plan update draft. Do you know anything about that? >> I emailed everyone the draft copy for you guys to make any changes to it. is also attached. And we're >> w
to review the draft. Maybe I just missed it. >> It's the last couple pages. last couple pages. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. Yeah, I got it. There it is. Okay. Oh, yeah. That's it. And this came about when you all met
down there right at the lakeyard. Jason. So on the year one assessment berries and bloom campaign, we were talking about planting remember blueberries, chameleas or something. But with this drought, I think we need to plant them where we
have irrigation possibilities cuz blueberries and stuff, as you know by our office, they're not going to survive. We can even if it's a 20 by 20 area. >> Well, and this this year would just be starting this. So, it would be a long time before we ever had the plants actually to plant. Oh, well, we talked
about this year planting bushes instead of trees this year, but maybe I'm >> Yeah, I think this was that where I was saying that we got all the local nurseries involved and where we did like a campaign. I'm just saying that that would take a long time. It would be well
into spring before we ever I think we'd be out of the drought, I would hope. But even when we do plant them, I think we're going to have to have some type of irrigation >> at least to begin to >> at least till they get established, >> get them in before.
>> My only concern with adding more stuff is who's going to take care of them >> because we're in right now. And we were and we were really thinking about that whenever we were picking the berries and and um like chameleas and aayas because those are very low maintenance, very drought
resistant and it it it fills a void where it's less um landscaping. It's it's less mowing, less weed eating because I don't know if you've ever been like at Eden State Gardens where it's just lots of aayas and that maintenance is is little to none on aa bushes.
Anyways, >> now my my only issue with Aelas, and this is just my personal opinion cuz I have them at my house, they attract mosquitoes. They are a mosquito haven. So that with it being a park like that, especially with the lake there, that
would be my only concern with the aelas. >> Have to look that up. >> But yeah, once you're established, but chameleas too, they work good in shady areas and and holly bushes are low maintenance. They weren't wanting to add color and stuff and maybe do bushes one year. We always plant 10 15 trees every
year. >> Scott used to order them or something. So this year, remember we thought about plant bushes. We still would plant a tree for Arbor Day and replace the Scan's tree. >> That's already been done. >> Oh, good. >> I've already replaced it.
>> Great. Good. I had been down there since then. Great. Well, that's um uh that was year one and then I I forgot that you weren't at that meeting. >> No, I wasn't there. >> I think it was just you, Kim, and I,
>> right? You you didn't make it there. >> Uh I was there at the lakeard. Okay. Yeah, my bad. Sorry. >> You might have more to me. So when you're saying year one, that's next year. >> That's 2026. >> Okay.
>> And really with this is just a draft. So y'all have really want to take the opportunity to move things around and different priorities and we'll talk about like the priorities and task list. So this all came about from just me taking the notes from that day and what
we had prioritized. So certainly a document that needs to be adjusted according to what we're capable of doing and maintenance like you said Mr. Anderson that's always an issue. >> Mhm.
>> You know grass doesn't grow down at Chipley Park much anyway. Mhm. >> So, but that would be next year. It'd be January or February, we would plant. >> You know, we do Arbor Day in third
Friday in January. >> I don't know. Uh, do you know if they put the Scott He was getting ready to leave and we finally found the plaque for last year's Arbor Day. I don't know if they put it out or not. It's over where Kim Winterberg lives on that side. >> You have to go down by the lake and
look. I haven't been back there. >> Is it for Arbor Day? >> Last year's Arbor Day. >> Okay. I haven't looked. I'll uh >> It's uh either Shamard and that or one of those two. >> Okay. >> I haven't been by there either since me and Scott went around there.
I guess that would have been in a late August. >> So, I think we just need a motion to approve this plan as of now or do we need to wait and And I, you know, I'm not sure >> you guys want to bring this back.
>> Let's do that. Especially since Kim's not here. Yeah. Okay, >> that's what I would >> Okay, sounds good. >> Want to do back changes and then I can put together another draft, a second draft.
>> Okay. Kim's here now. >> She might have something to say. >> Sorry. I had a doctor's appointment that I was supposed to have plenty of time for. >> Well, we are just really getting into it. And if you wanted if we need to go back and
add to the sentry tank link tower because it was your name by there. We discussed it and >> well it was supposed to be changed to Mike. >> Yeah. >> And he did he touched on it. Okay. I didn't I talked to him. >> Okay. All right. >> Still we're working
>> and so now we're on Chipley Park master plan and she just sort of did a rough draft of you know what we discussed that day at the park. >> Um and she said we can >> work this around, move it around. We don't have to decide on this today but
>> Okay. It's the very last two pages. And I did have some questions on some of this. Like in year two, you've got canopy lighting in the live oaks. I know it looks beautiful and it really is, especially during Christmas time when we
have those lights. But the squirrels, we have to put like two or three strings of light a day because those squirrels are eating those lights up. So, I don't know what we can do to alleviate that. If y'all have any ideas >> that save us a ton of time,
>> they let me hunt down there. >> Well, maybe maybe that's something that we can talk um so I had reached out to a couple of um different vendors to talk about lighting. So maybe they have some solutions that they have experienced elsewhere. I don't know.
>> Okay. I'll I'll um I'll call our Christmas light people and talk to them and see if they've got any ideas or maybe they have a different light that's prudent repellent or something because I'm sure we're not the only ones that have to deal with. >> I'm sure. >> You know, they used to have those little
things you plugged into the wall that emitted pulses and things that pest didn't like. Maybe >> they got sharp. >> For the canopy lighting, were we talking more about like landscape lighting from the >> We were landscape lighting, not Christmas lighting. So like like you see um
>> Yeah. Like sort of spot lighting. I got >> so big more heavy metal. >> What live? Which tree were that? Which one? >> Just multiple just Yeah. >> kind of the big showboat live oaks that are around the lakeyard.
>> I have so many good ones left, >> right? Well, it doesn't necessarily just have to be live oaks. It can also be, you know, nice big pine trees. Um, I know we talked about in one of the meetings, and I can't remember if we talked about it here, where, um, we can't have them like big up lights
because of the dark sky eglund requirement. So, they would have to be down lights. Um, so but that it can certainly still be done just a little differently and less and less expensive. Uh,
according to one of the vendors that I talked to, he said it would be a lot less expensive to eliminate the up lights and just focus on the down lights. Refresh walking plus. That's just the cement and sidewalks, right? Are you talking about something else? >> What year is
>> walking paths? Year two. >> Year two. >> Repair refresh walking path. >> Well, I mean there's there's several trip hazards. >> A lot. >> Yeah. So, we are currently working on that. I am spearheading that up because I had taken a walk down there and kind
of looked at things and there was some unacceptable work that was done down there. So, we are in the process of getting those sidewalks and stuff fixed. >> Yeah, I I watch people walk by and the number of people with flashlights
um is a lot, especially this time of year. Um I would definitely like to see that be one of the first things we do from a a safety standpoint. um of being able to get at least
at the top on one of the walkways. Um not both of them, not at the bottom, but at the top >> top one, >> something where people can not get injured and feel safe or Yeah, because I've noticed with our huge
growth, there's a lot more people using that Chippy Park with all the people moving here. Mhm. >> Did we find out anything, Sumi, on the grant possibility for the airator fountain? >> No, I haven't. >> Okay. >> We haven't gotten there yet.
>> Okay. I was just curious. >> She is very busy right now. >> Sure. She'd be happy to look for something, but >> that's fine. I just didn't know if she had said, "Oh, yeah. I know about X, Y, and Z." >> Let's put the fountain in the middle of the lake. Is that what we were talking
about permanently? >> Or possibly three a group grouping of them because that's a really big lake >> and it might look like a little dot if we do one. Yes, >> we get a big one. Guess we get a massive
underutter. And I know for year three, um, we've got the amphitheater and the CRA, um, is well, I guess that's already noted there. Sorry. Okay. Yeah, I know it's it's um, but why not
dream big? I I still really would like to see if there's any type of help we could get with doing bike paths around the bottom. I think that that would be a huge addition. >> I think so, too. >> That's one thing we're lacking. >> Yeah. People don't use bikes here, and if you do, they think that you're out
doing something you should be doing. >> Exactly. >> Um it would be nice to see more people utilize bikes in the city. I mean, it looks good. We touched it. You >> I think it looks pretty good.
>> Yeah, me too. >> So, when y'all were talking about a bike path, are you wanting one down by the lake or are you wanting one up by the road? >> By the lake. >> By the lake is where we talked about. We felt that was more feasible. But >> and handicap accessible.
>> You couldn't walk it then. It'd be just for bikes. >> Well, usually they have a bike path next to the walking running path. So, >> I think we talked about maybe expanding the the path that's already there. Maybe just making a little wider and >> allowing space for, you know, to the
little line where people >> can. And now they have the Saturday morning club where people come and jog and do. So, I mean, I think that it would definitely get utilized as that grows. the lakes on it. It's still remember years ago it was underwater for but now
it's dry as >> that sidewalk used to get covered with water, you know, quite a bit. So they might have to move the bike path up a little farther. I don't know. >> Yeah, that would be my only concern when it does come up. >> One day it might go underwater again. You never know.
Otherwise, yeah. >> So, do we want to make a motion to adopt this master plan or do we want to come back? >> I mean, it looks good to me, but >> I don't think we change my There's always going to be
>> we I mean, we could always amend it, right, >> if we needed to, but at least this would get us going. I make a motion that we adopt the plan as written. >> Second. >> Okay. Any other discussion? >> Okay. >> All in favor?
>> I. >> I. >> Oh, we got Oh, you're saying hi. >> I'm sorry. Comment. Public comment. Sorry. I didn't know if it was an I or I want to speak. >> Uh, good evening, Todd Beer. I'm here as a private citizen, not in any sort of
official capacity. Um, I wanted to just, um, thank you for supporting the fountain in the middle of the lake. That's something that I've actually talked to a couple of different city managers about. Never been able to quite get it across the finish line, but I'm glad to see you guys considering it and
and endorsing it. Uh, so, um, the other thing would certainly be the the bike path. So, I have a little bit of knowledge on this from when I worked with the county on the um sidewalk out on Walton Road. And typically the bike paths have to be an additional width.
Um, and what the county was able to do, so what you might think about doing is getting with the county and seeing if they're willing to do that paving for us because that's what the county did on Walton Road is the the partnership that we had for the sidewalk, paid for the sidewalk, but then at the same time they
came in next to that sidewalk and paved a multi-purpose path that could be used for biking and all of that. And I think it has to be eight or 10 feet wide, I think, if I remember correctly. So, it might be something that we could we could just get the county to, you know, if we buy the materials, they'll do the
paving type of situation. That typically works out for them. Um, but no, I I think it's um it's a good first start on on what you got going and certainly, you know, would love to see a nice big fountain out in the middle of the lake. I thought that was great. Thank you. >> Thank you.
So, on the the fountain thing, that's kind of with me being over Christmas reflections, that's something that I've been even back when I was just working here and I've worked Christmas reflections. I would love to see a fountain out there for Christmas,
whether it's playing a music or playing a video on a sheet of u water or something like that. That that's kind of some of the ideas I've got in my brain for doing out there. So, um, that may be
something that maybe I can work out and when we're looking at the fountain and stuff where we can get something we can use for both. >> Okay. >> Do we need to come up with some costs or the city will do that? Like cost and fountain? >> Well, I can tell you it's expensive. >> I've already looked into them there. The
the big ones are about 120,000. >> Smokes. >> I don't think that that's that >> TDC. No, >> but again, that's why we're going to look into grants and other, you know, partnership. >> The person that came and spoke last time
on behalf of the fountain was he also recommended, you know, even if we did four smaller ones in the center, you know, maybe there's ways around that we could bring the cost down somewhat. Just other avenues to look at. >> Yeah. Because smaller ones, you're looking about 16 to 20,000. >> So,
>> okay. Are we talking colors? It just spray, you know, you can get color. >> The ones that I was looking at had lights and stuff in them. >> So, I can get with the niece, but we'll have to try to come up with a creative. Is this foreration?
>> Oh, yeah. It's for fish. Fish. Correct. >> So, that's where we'll have to get together because I did see some like forestry grants that promote that within the state of Florida. So, I'll get with her on that. She didn't want to bombard me stuff, but I can definitely try to do
some research on my own and then take it to her and maybe help. >> Yeah, because the right things we can try to try to get some of that fundraisers that would be another good
alternative to >> opportunities that way. >> Definitely. Okay, >> good. Yeah, >> we've got a a motion in a second. Any other discussion before we go to a vote? >> Okay. All in favor?
>> I. All opposed. Passes unanimously. >> You want to keep going? >> No, you're good. Okay. >> All right. The kneew wall update >> pictures in here. >> So, I have talked to DOT. Sounds good.
>> We can we can paint it back white as of right now because with all the mural stuff on the roads and that kind of stuff, they do not want us to paint anything except for white right now. >> Okay. >> So, we can paint it white, but as for a mural, we have to wait on.
>> Do we want to paint it white? Is that our only option? >> He said we could paint it back the way it was, which was white is what was what was said. Now, if there's another color, and I say another color, but if there's something you have in mind, I can go
back and talk to DOT and see if they'll okay that color. >> I was just thinking something like a moss green would hide >> better green. >> So, yeah, green trees get so dirty so fast. >> Yeah, white. So,
>> it'll look like this in two years. some type of not a lime green but more like a grass green or a >> pine needle green if we can't gator color. >> Yeah, like an olive or moss green shirt. >> Yeah, >> is our model.
>> They wouldn't show the dirt as much as white. Yeah, >> something like that. Right. >> Yeah, I think that would that would look nice and would keep us from having to paint it so often or clean it.
>> Right. Well, that answers that, huh? >> Okay. Thank you, Andrew. >> Yeah, that's great. Yeah. >> Okay. Designated uh sorry, 3D designated tree beautifification fund where businesses and individuals can donate towards projects.
>> And this is This is not the this is not the next uh page in our packet. Um that is going to come on 4 A although we could certainly well no let's not combine those. Um
I didn't I'm a little lost on where we were on this because I missed one of those meetings. So where what exactly are we wanting to do? So, there was a line item that was built into this year's budget for anyone that
wants to make monetary donations that will go into for um the tree beautifification, the tree board. Uh so, I think the discussion was what would that look like? Um how would you
guys like to facilitate that? like whether it's a form or um just similar to how the tree donation application is. In other words, you know, what is this donation going to? I think that's the conversation that Kobe had. In other words, is it just to go into a fund? Is
this for a special project or is it if someone wants to donate, there's options for them. I would like it to go towards the fountain or I'd like it to go there or to go into just whatever you guys want to work on. So that's where we would need or you guys I'm sorry I
always say you I'm sorry need to come up with um an application form of some kind similar to the tree donation um form that specifies what the donation is going to
>> we wanted to still have some control over it remember >> right yeah definitely I mean if we're bringing people to the table to donate to projects we're doing we did want it to go into the and then somebody tell us, well, no, we're going to spend it this way if you know we're bringing money to the tables. Um, and there was
an instance last year where a business wanted to give money and we didn't know how to put it into the system. You know what I mean? So, this this I think will fix that. As far as I think it should probably just be a general fund. I know at church we have a general fund, but if
you want it strictly to go to the se cemetery, then on the check they'll say just be used at the cemetery and they have to be contacted if it's not used in that. So if we have a project for a water fountain, they put designate it for a water fountain, then you know, I think that's what sort of what you're getting at is if it has to stay there or
if it goes to the general fund. So >> would it be possible to do something like um you know suggested use for the fund with the caveat that if you know if we happen >> it just it's the general fun. I think it
would be nice, you know, to be able to say on the we could have a general fund like what you're talking about, but we could also have, like you said, suggestions of here are some upcoming projects that we're working towards. >> Um, but the question would be if they're donating to the fountain next year and the fountain doesn't get done until
2029, what does that mean for the money? >> So, >> I don't know the answer to that. >> So, the money would just roll >> roll >> it'll roll into that same budget line item. >> Okay. Um because me and Kobe had talked about
this a little bit. The um and then of course I guess you guys know we budgeted 5,000 for to match y'all's donation stuff. >> So it shows that there's $5,000 in there, but there's really not until these donations come in
>> to match. >> So we need to develop a format we can advertise for donations, right? Or Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Try to put it out there to the community. I think so too. Something where people understand if they give they'll get a dollar actual project. I would say just general look what we did
with 10,000 last year. We put in over $50,000 worth of landscaping because you wouldn't have gotten a landscaper to come in put those in the ground for under 50. >> So look what we did with this >> and just get people to hopefully give >> Yeah.
We can say something like we can, you know, not in so many words, but we can try to use it for whatever you suggest, but we reserve the right to, >> right? >> You know, >> help us, you know, 10 times your money or something like that. Do you want your
dollar to go and be $10? You know what I mean? Something like that. Don't make me do math. I think right now we stick with a general fund and yeah, it's just nice having it there. Even if somebody just writes a check, >> we can give it to you and you put it in
that fund without an application. I mean, we'll take their money. >> Can they just write a check to they make that out the city of Deiniac? >> Right. The memo just to the tree. >> Yeah. In the memo part. Okay.
they'll be deposited into an admin account, >> right? Yeah. >> And would that also be something, if I understand it correctly, if let's say a business wanted to donate or or even an individual that that would be something
that the city would be considered a 501c3 for their tax purposes. Is that what I understand? Right. Do I have that right? >> Okay. I don't want that. >> Okay. >> Okay.
>> Because I think that would be something good that we could include on there that this is, you know, tax deductible. >> That's good. I'm glad that >> Okay. So, um, is this something that we are coming up with or staff is going to
help us come up with? >> Look at me. >> I still don't understand why we need an application for it. I mean, if we have a project going or we >> I think it's a fundraiser. >> It's to help with our bookkeeping. That way, >> a way to track donations.
>> They can track the donations and they know where every dollar has gone into that account and what it's for. >> It helps them. So if it when they bring in a check to donate, they have that form saying, "Hey, this is going towards such and such project or just here's my donation for trees this year."
>> Then we know what that's for. And then when they put it in the account, we know what that deposits for. >> Yeah. >> Just make it a simple application though. >> I guess the application term is sort of throwing me off. It's like we're going to check to see if you're if we're going to take your money, you know,
application. Sir, is this for staff to do it? I can do that. I can just take this form if that's what you guys like me to bring back >> for the next meeting >> for the next meeting and just have a basic. It's kind of like when you in
church and you give ties and it says building >> the building fund and stuff like that. >> The rescue organization that I that I headed up. Yeah. It's just a typical I'll just throw something together and then I'll bring it back next week. >> Okay. And then the next question would
be from the marketing piece of it. Is that something that staff >> That's something you guys would need to do. The marketing side of it website and stuff. >> Okay. >> We can put anything on the website if you want to come up with a flyer or something like that since we're in
partnership. Um, and we can put it out on our social if you guys can come up with something and >> yeah, we can help advertise it. >> But the as far as we just don't have the staff to be designing stuff and all that stuff, right?
>> We can work something on it. Okay. >> I'll come up with something between >> Okay. Maybe between the two of us, we will have something. Okay. Anything else on that? >> Sounds good.
>> All right. 3E, the iron work, the sign at the Tesla intersection size and materials update. I think that's on you, Andrew. >> Yes. So, um, I talked to our welder to see if that was something that he could build or
not, and he cannot. um we just don't have the it takes a special machine to make the scrolls and that kind of stuff and for them all to be uniform. Yeah, he could build one here and there, but they're probably not going to match kind of deal because we don't have proper machine. Um
with that being said, I know the welding shop in Mossy Head is the one that built the one over Crest View. >> Okay. >> Over there Main Street. I'm gonna try to get in touch with them and see if I can go talk to them and see what they would charge us to build one. But I did I've
got two um drawings, I guess. So, I kind of wanted to see if that's still what you guys were. >> Yeah, I think >> and I know we have several local welders to pinak as well. >> Yeah, we had already agreed on the
design, I think. So, is this kind of what you guys are You can pass that around and see. You see that sticky note right there? >> No. Yeah. But it's not over the street like in >> It's over the sidewalk. >> No. >> No. >> So, you know where the Sentry Link
building is. >> Um and then you have Tesla Sentry Link and the road dead ends into grass >> right there on that grass. So, that's your main entrance. >> So, the only and I'll have to go out and measure it. only issue we may run into, and I don't know because I haven't
measured it, is encroaching on that uh railroad. >> Yeah, >> I think we looked at I think we looked at that and it and we weren't that far into it. So, there's a um a Sentry Link box that's there >> um
>> that's maybe offset just a little bit. Um but I don't think it would be far enough in that it would encroach, but obviously we'll >> Okay. Yeah, I'll check into that and see make sure we're in compliance because I know we have a gas line that runs right there, too.
>> Yeah, I don't want to hear that. >> Okay, we'll wait to hear back from you on that then. Andrew, >> so as far as um you can hand this back >> or y'all >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, what are you um sizewise?
Because there's no size on here. How big >> we just We discussed the size one of the meat, >> but I don't know what it was. >> Is it one side of that? >> I think seven foot 6 foot 6 by eight. >> Yeah.
>> Is that what we're looking at? 6 foot wide and 8 foot tall >> or 8 foot wide and six foot tall. >> Yeah. But with hooks on the side, right, for signage, right? >> So that'd be outside the six foot. >> Yeah. >> If people want to >> Yeah. I thought it was six in between
the two brick column. I think it's six in between >> in between the brick columns. >> Yeah. And then >> the inside measurement is six. >> Now, as far as funding goes for that, are we where are we going to try to get that from? Is that something we're not
donation, too. >> Yeah, because I I think we were hanging on to having staff do the welding and so that changes things. >> Yes. >> And no brick layers either, huh? >> Probably. >> But I don't know if they'll do it.
>> Oh, Murray Johnson can get in there and do it for us. So, >> I don't know the answer to that. >> Yeah, >> I think the brick part, we might be able to get that done. Well, yeah. Maybe if you'd find out where we're wanting to put it, if we can, and then we can all sort of reach out to different sources
we have and see what we can pull together. >> Okay. >> Say that again. Some >> if you will let us know about if we can do it there and then we'll move forward and we can reach out. You know, a brick layer. >> You got a neighbor by you over there. >> Yeah. Al is a welder. Yeah.
>> And a brick layer over there, too. Makes sense. >> Okay. All right. Anything else before we move on? All right. 3F the Rotary Club grant. Um not sure what update we have on that
or exactly. >> The money is there. So how do I uh did Barbara said she'd spoke with you? Did she give you a definite number? >> She didn't tell me. She said we could choose where um when we last talked. Um,
and I want to say she said was 500 or a,000 >> somewhere around there. >> Yeah, it would have probably had been less than a thousand because I know that she's was they were giving a portion of it to Main Street for plants downtown. >> Okay. >> So, it was probably around the 500
range. I can reach out to her though and find out an exact. Okay. >> And did she specify? >> She didn't specify where she wanted us to choose. She said they did not care where it was really, but they would at least be responsible through the first year of maintaining it and taking care
of it. >> So, we need to ask them. They had a certain park or certain place they want to >> Well, I think they were wanting it downtown. I think >> if you can ask them, I think they'll be
okay wherever we could use it. But I'll talk to Barbara. Andrew, is there somewhere where you have seen where you're like, "This really needs something here." >> Um, I have not yet because I haven't had a whole lot of time to just be able to ride around and see what all needs to be
done. >> We've been trying to play catchup. >> Understand? >> But I will definitely >> kind of ride. >> You see something that catches your eye, bring it bringing it back to us and >> Yeah. Good. Okay.
All right. Uh 4A request to be on the agenda. We've got uh tree donation other than a city park. Mr. Strawn. So while doing inspections, I came across a gentleman um planting three live oak trees. They're off Crescent
near um East Live Oak. So without permission from the city. So right now I've written him a violation for it, but I told him I would start the process due to the fact that anywhere other than the a park it has to have permission from council at this point in time to plant
trees in a different location. So my only concern is I know oak tree can live up to 100 years or more. They get reach maturity around 25 to 30 years and they can come five feet to six feet in diameter.
the sidewalk where he wants to put it is only five feet. So my fear is at this point in time yes in 25 years 30 years it won't be our problem but I don't need problems for the city after we are gone. So I want your consideration whether
that a tree should be there of that magnitude or a different type of tree should be planted there to get convince him to do that because I figured in 25 years the roots are going to completely damage the sidewalk and the roadway.
>> What was that last thing you said? I'm sorry. >> The root system will completely damage the sidewalk and the roadway. >> So >> and then you sent me a >> sent you this picture. >> I went out and see Mr. a couple days ago and I tried to, you know, he was being confronting me pretty good, you know,
and I just said, "I'm volunteer." And I look at it and I tried to give him kudos for planting him, but I pretty much said, "He's got them already planted like you said, sir." But what I told him is the power lines are real low there. I I says them, "It won't be four or five
years those live oaks will be in the power lines." And on that road, the power line structure is really old. I mean, they're hanging low. So I pretty much convinced him that if the power lines weren't there, we may be able to approve it. But since those
power lines are going to be so close and them trees already, some of them seven, eight foot tall, right? >> So he pretty much told me, "Well, if I have to, I'll move them on my property." He told me that. But I said, "I doubt that you're going to get approved because of the power lines."
I said you could plant a Japanese maple, maybe get by with the crepe myrtle, but like you said, it's a real narrow, but I gave him credit for trying to beautify the area, but the power lines weren't there. I said we probably could have let him keep the live oaks again. He said,
"Well, I'll make sure they don't get in the power lines as long as I'm alive." He's he's just a little bit older than me, but but I got him come around before, so I think but he needs I told him, you know, so I don't know if you're
going to talk to him again, but he acts like he would move them on his property. You know, he he's remodeling that house right now. >> He did write a letter stating that he would move them or replace them with something else. >> Yeah, I printed off the letter he sent to to y'all today at 3:00. it's in front
of y'all. >> Okay. >> He also put in there that he's willing to give y'all a donation. >> Um I'll let y'all read the e that email and y'all can talk to him later about that donation. >> I don't see that email. >> It's actually was put there. Should be
separate from the package. It was sitting there in front of you. I came in early around 4:00 and >> I got the picture. Oh, I printed out >> should look like this. Mm- >> I guess someone threw them all away because I sent five copies out. >> Really? >> We got nothing.
>> So he just emailed. Okay. >> Yeah, you have to email it. >> Yeah, >> that's actually >> Wow. >> Here you go. Since you met with him, >> but he sort of came around like he understood a little bit.
He like works there and then the end where he gives his synopsis of what he'll do and and and what he'd like to do >> vis represent could visit the property to observe these properties. >> You share this correspondence with the photography documentation with
beautifification tree board meeting to ensure that we have the most complete picture of my proposal. So what's these proposal exactly? So, um, he's designated alternative locations on his property to relocate them should the board decide that they should be
removed. Um, and that he's marked out areas for the planting along with two additional ones. >> Yeah, you can tell me that. >> Um, and then, oh, and he was going to he offered to give $500 as a donation to the city for
maintenance of the trees. on his property or the ones that he planted that he planted on the rideway. So that would be our responsibility to take care of >> saying he would give $500 donation towards that so that they would be cared for should the board decide to allow
them to stay. >> See, that's a non-issue in my opinion. You know, I gave him kudos for planting them. I pretty much told him the power lines are the issue. >> Well, my my concern is not the power lines. It's going to be the roadway and the sidewalk where the city will have to keep repairing them all the time and we
don't need additional um expenses coming to the city. >> And I helped him pick out locations where he put them in his yard. It's not a very big yard, but >> were those um these pictures with the flag on the >> Yeah. Yeah. He's got
>> Well, then also would you I mean if that's where he's putting where the flags are, that's also very close to the sidewalks. That's what my concern as well. The the roots would eventually buckle. >> I would say they at least would have to be at least six feet away
>> even from a tree from a sidewalk. >> Yeah. >> So, you know, they're on his private property. It's still you can still tell him you can't plant them, I guess. >> Well, I mean, he can plant right there next to him, but yeah, as a code force officer, I'm gonna sight whoever is when they break up the sidewalk to now you
got to repair our sidewalk. But I mean trees can some trees live oaks aren't as bad as some but you know magnolia and because you know I got them in my yard you can tell I understand the concern about the sidewalks but >> there's so many trees close to the sidewalks now that you could say well
you can't plant any trees because they're eventually going to put up the side of you seen around lakeyard how they >> you're always going to have that issue you know >> look how trimmed this sidewalk is. Yeah. >> Yeah. There's pictures in there. Yeah.
But I pretty much convinced him that he'd have to move them. But now I didn't get into him on his private property about, you know. >> No, truth. We can't control that. So, >> but he might be liable, but he don't seem to be worried about that because age
>> which we have infrastructure right there that is where he's planted them at up under where he's planned them at. We've got gas lines, water lines, all that. and >> they're marked across his yard, too. He >> something happens. >> I guess he's remodeling that line, then we're going to have to do something with
those trees to be able to get those lines and repair them or anything like that. >> So, basically, came to y'all for a recommendation. Whether or not you want them that way, if it goes any further, I can tell the city manager and the council if it goes to that point.
>> My thought on this, yes, this is important. It's it's how we handle it. And I think the way that Mike handled it was very tasteful because kudos to those that are trying to improve their yard in comparison to
others. >> It's not a hill worth dying on. Um you know, to me, I think that it's very important that we praise those in our community that really want to improve the way it looks. Yes, it's a hindrance and we have to stop that, but I also
think how we handle it is very important. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I told him you could plant, you know, with you guys' approval, you could plant a shrub, a something that, you know, but my idea was it's narrow there and the power lines are really hanging
low. It wouldn't be hardly any time. He said, "Well, I'll cut the top off." I says, "Live oaks don't like to have the top cut off." I told him that. So he was willing, you know, if you had to move them, but I didn't get into about, you know, showed in the yard and so, you
know, but yeah, you'd have to plan them where >> he didn't hit the gas line. >> He set a standard. I just hope that it's done in a very nice way >> and and he has I've talked to him about his landscapes, too, because he approached me. He has a ton of plants,
but he had sent me pictures, you know, of ideas that he has. And I think if we encourage him to keep it low and small like the pictures that that he has in mind, >> that that's maybe a positive approach to
doing that. >> Like you said, a Japanese maple would be beautiful. Plus, he's fixing up two houses that he's spending a lot of money to fix up a couple historic houses, which I gave him kudos for that. I mean, it's siding falling apart. Who else? It's expensive.
>> Yeah, it's important to, you know, work with those that are trying and I'm not saying that they rules can be bent or broken. If they need to be moved, then they need to be moved. I just think it's important that it's done tactfully as well. >> So, yeah. So my suggestion is telling him that he need that he's probably
going to he's going to need to move the trees out of there, plant something smaller and we would help him pick out. >> Yeah. Is it something we could suggest that we could if if the live oaks are too big for the yard, could we suggest >> donating them somewhere else >> or or you know planting them on the lakeyard or something like that. You
know, we'll we'll take them and move them over here to where they can have the room that they need >> to grow. And from the picture that she had sewed is, you know, something low. There's Yeah, >> I'm sure he spent pretty good money on them trees because they're there's some of them seven eight foot tall live oaks.
>> Yes. >> I guess he didn't hit nothing when he whoever planted them for him. I don't know who planted them. If he did, you know, when he dug the hole. >> No, he had a young man plant them for him. So, >> okay. But yeah, I say that's an OB, you
know, if he wants to go to him to the lakeyard or something. I don't know how we could work that. >> Yeah, I I I personally don't think it's the right species for where it is. Although, I absolutely applaud his efforts for wanting to make it >> more beautiful and more green.
>> I love a live oak, but it needs room. Needs space, and I don't want him to have problems in the long run where the roots run into the foundation of the house or buckle the driveway or anything like that. At best, there's only room really for one live oak. He's got a cedar tree there that's probably gonna >> it might be in right that's probably not
going to last too much longer. >> So you could plant it towards over there because that tree is declining. It's a red seed. >> I'll offer to speak to him if you'd like me to. I'm, you know, work for the extension office and I do that all the time. So I can try and talk him through what the, you know, the the long-term
considerations of planting trees and what might be some other options. Uh, so you're welcome to give him my contact information or just tell me to go over there. >> Thank you. >> I'm I'm happy to do that as well. >> Yeah, he'll talk to you. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, your recommendation I think is no then for those trees there.
>> Yeah, I think they need I told him >> looks too small for >> No, but but y'all were saying something lower or nothing at all. >> Oh, something lower. I told him Japanese maple or even >> bush crate. You could you could keep it
pretty low. >> That's pretty much what I told him because but I said I doubt the city's going to let you keep them trees there. >> And I still want to tell him that there are utilities under that. So it doesn't matter what you plant at some point they
may they may be taken out >> for utility work. >> Dig those up to do utility repairs. >> They're going to more than likely die. So, I don't want him to think that he can plant them there and then there have to be utility repairs. And then >> I like the bush idea. That's a lot
better. >> Well, even I would even that I would rather keep, you know, inside his property lines versus in that. >> How close how close to the corner is that? I haven't been out there. So, how close to the corner? >> Because you got somebody coming up
Crescent to Live Oak and he's got bushes there. Now, you got vision issues coming up. >> That's a pretty narrow street to start with. >> It is. And basically when you come to a side triangle, nothing can be basically from two foot to 8 foot tall in that area. So
if he was to plant something there near the roadway, >> basically you do a 20 foot by 20 foot and connect your dots for your triangle >> and then anything in there has to be a certain height. >> Right. Well, I just I didn't want him to I didn't know how close it was to that corner. If he was going to plant bushes
there instead of the trees, then it might cause >> back a little way. Well, the biggest reasons I really want to set precedence with this because if we get I hate to say if we get more and more people planting trees or things in the city's right away. I'm already dealing with another area at South 11th and Park.
They have some um um Sego pumps over there and unfortunately they're actually in city rightway. Well, I've already had a complaint. there basically block people visions when they're trying to go across Park Avenue to go across straight
to 11 Street. Well, she trimmed she trimmed them right now. You can see past them, but that is a temporary fix. I basically told her she needed to move them back to her property line so that basically they're on her property. So, I have to reach out to her and tell her
thank you for trimming them. She's fixed the problem for the time being, >> right? But when the spring comes and the fronds come back out, it's going to be back in the same problem again. So biggest thing is right now setting a precedent so that people Yes, I like
trees people going in, but we need to set start setting a precedence. They need to come either to the city or coming from you all first before they start doing stuff so that we can keep problems from occurring and basically curve them to the direction that you all
or the city needs them to go ahead of time. >> There is a tree, you know, they put that extra four-way stop in on live oak by the church. >> Now, you know, the one there was a long time. They put another one. Well, the new one they put in on the right side there, there's a palm. You can't already
see the sign. It's a stop sign that and I think that's on the city right away, but it's almost blocking the darn stop sign. I'm seeing it. The new one be on the south side of Live Oak almost across
from his house. Not probably just needs to be pruned or removed. >> Can I ask one question? Is it a city ordinance to not You're not allowed to plant in the rideway? There's not a ordinance,
but there's actually it says there's a policy that says that if you're going to donate or plant trees, you have to um um go through the city council, but there is an ordinance. So, actually, I
can use this one instead. It's under chapter 23. It's general obstructions. You cannot obstruct rightaways, alleyways, sidewalks or anything like that. And without basically being a rightaway area just with the grass, technically there is an
ordinance says you cannot um do a obstruction of that. It's a kind of a broad one, but it's one that basically we put in place so that people can't do certain things unfortunately if need be.
>> Right. But you said there was a policy of >> Yes, you actually have a donation tree policy which you'll actually um >> right >> in there you'll see it says anything that is being donated other than a park has to go to the front of the city council. >> Okay. >> At this point in time I think we're
trying to maybe change that so it doesn't go have to go to them. It maybe just goes to the city manager. But at this point in time where he wants it, city council actually has to agree to it. >> Okay. All right. Yeah. The only thing we really said we could weren't going to
plant in rightways was Laur cuz we've cut so many of them down in the city rightways. >> Well, not just in the right anywhere. >> Tra anywhere. Yeah. >> Well, they can still plant them in your yard. >> Yeah. But that's going to be a
continuing thing. Fortunately. >> Okay. All right. Next, uh 4B urban orchard signage. I'm not sure. So that was >> so I have technically been talking to Denise on this. We are working on
signage. Um the grant gave us I think it was like $250 for signage. So we really want to get some signs that are going to last >> put up out there. So, um, we're
currently talking to sign places. I found a place in Tallahassee that does the zoos and stuff that does their signage. Um, I'm going to talk to them to see what kind of price we can get to actually get some
nice educational signs to tell you when to pick the fruit, when you know it's ready, that kind of stuff to put out there for those trees. >> There's Denise. Oh, I didn't. >> Hi, Denise. >> Hello. This is a two-part answer.
>> So, the grant, we're going to use the signage budget to cover the smaller signage to mark the individual trees. Okay? >> And then this email that you see is actually a conversation that we have later with the extension
office about putting a larger permanent 3x5 um educational sign board at Pat Coal One. Um, and Evan, you want to explain that? >> And yeah, so I sat down and uh talked to Denise about this and um we kind of
decided it would be a very good idea to have a larger, more permanent um sign with some information on it uh about the trees and the program. And uh I did offer to put some of the uh funds I'll either tell the master gardeners to do
it or or put my own you know extension funds into that uh for educational signage for that. So you know um if it's 225 I can I can do that. Um if it gets to be more we'll we'll talk but uh
>> yeah Tom at Smith Signs quoted 225 for double side for both sides. I wonder if Smith would do it, you know, since he's local, right? >> Yeah. >> But if you get some other quotes, please let me know and we can >> talk about, you know, getting the smaller signs for right now so that we can >> Yeah.
>> meet everything and then maybe eventually if we, you know, find some money or something, we can >> Yeah. Or I can again bring it to the master gardeners and tell them um we're doing this. >> They got money. >> We just wanted your blessing to make sure you guys were okay with us putting
a permanent Definitely. >> How are the trees in the drought? Have anybody looked down lately? >> They are on a sprinkler system. >> Oh, good. >> Good. So, they're doing pretty well. Yeah. >> Me and Andrew were there the week before and then me and Evan went out the week
before as well. >> They trees look really good. >> Great. >> Um, we do need to order another soil testing. >> That's no problem. Can do that anytime. >> Yeah. >> Perfect. Yeah, thank you.
>> Thank you. >> And a reminder about the upcoming workshop. So, we sent the invite out and if you guys can make it, that would be great. So, we can have everyone learn about the winterizing of the trees and that'll be workshop number one. And then
Evan and Ian will plan for workshop number two in the spring. And then hopefully that'll have a larger crowd because we'll talk about um probably the fruit the fruitruing that's going to happen on the trees, pruning and kind of spring activities, whatever happens to
trees in the spring. >> Sounds good. >> Great. Thank you. Okay. Uh number five, committee priority list. So, uh, Sumi, I'm going to hand this one to you since you did such a great job
explaining it to me. >> So, there this is work in another committee and um, we'll have a tracking list of items that we want to prioritize. And then as those things are
done, for instance, I just wrote on here iron work because that's an item that we want to start tracking. and it may take a little while to get it done. And then on our priorities would be what would whatever you guys would consider a
number one priority. Um just a suggestion. >> Now, is this something that we bring back what we discussed tonight? >> You Well, I think because of the time. >> Yeah. >> Um if you guys could just bring this
list back in the next meeting using the master uh plan. 5-year master plan, any of the other agenda items, and then bring it all back as a group and we can put a tracking down. So, the tracking is any of those items that we want to work
on. Highway 90, kneew wall, those types of things. And then you'll have to come up with a determination of what can we do and is that a priority that we can get accomplished now. >> So, like the tree planting we always do, we're on Arbor Day and I can put all
that on there. Um if you want to it's mostly the projects that we've already initiated and decided that they're you know like for the first year projects. >> Yeah. The blooms and >> the berries and blooms. >> Yeah. >> Like I said um the iron work and the
mural and just any of those things that we've already previously discussed and that's on our five-year plan. you may want to look at what you've decided for year one and year two and add those to like our top priorities so that get them out of the way and and then we'll put
them down in archive and we'll bring some other forward. But it's worked really well with a lot of different committees and that way it'll keep everybody you know on track and then we may have to move things back down as our resources are limited or those types of things. >> Sounds good. Yeah, organization is
always good. >> Yes, it is. keep us keep us moving forward. Right. And >> I have one more thing. >> So on the tree donation, did y'all make a motion to deny that? >> We did not make a motion. Do we need a formal motion?
>> They need to make a formal motion to deny the application deny votes on >> to deny that application that was presented. >> Oh, the guy Mr. Burks. >> Yes, sir. We can certainly do that if someone wants to make a >> because I told him we were meeting tonight and >> why don't we do that just for clarity
for the record. >> Make a recommendation that he moves the trees. Is that what we're looking at or >> Well, he presented an application. So, >> did Chris already >> Chris left? I would say to deny to deny what he said >> to deny the application to deny the
application >> to follow. >> Yeah. But he presented an application. So I was just for the record >> since he presented an application to approve or deny this application.
>> I need a motion, please. Motion to >> His application stated that about leaving the live oaks where they were. What was on his application? His application was to plant the live oaks where he planted them. >> The application was after he planted them.
>> Did that include the $500 donation as well? >> That was for maintenance. So, I say we we got to I'd say we got to make a motion that we deny his application >> because we discussed the problems
>> and then go back. Okay. then you might talk to him about >> he needs help moving him or >> donate him to the lakeyard or that be down the road I guess but >> you know he spent a lot of money on >> right >> so if we if someone would want to
present a motion denying his application as submitted with recommendations to follow >> second it >> I can't make the motion chair >> person can >> okay I make the motion to deny the application with recommend recommendations to follow.
>> I'll second it. >> Okay. >> All right. >> We'll try to work with him on it. >> Any other discussion? Okay. All in favor? >> I. >> All opposed? Passes unanimously. Okay.
Citizen comments. >> Comments. >> Okay. >> All right. Well, with that we shall adjourn. It is I don't know time 6:16.