think about it before we have you okay it's been a Monday did he do all right I'll go ahead and get started but Clay on his way I heard okay
all right good enough we want to call this meeting to order this our city council meeting for Monday March the 10th 2025 ask you to stand with us for the implication and follow the pledge of legance Heavenly Father we love you today we're
so thankful God for your love towards us as a people Lord as a city as a community we pray God for your wisdom and guidance as we have our council meeting we pray for your anointing Lord and favor to be on these councilmen and all that bring uh Lord the information
that we need to make decisions with so God we just thank you Lord we give you the glory and praise for everything you do in Jesus name we pray amen amen amen I ALG to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which
it stands one nation under God indivisible with libery and justice for all just as a reminder be sure to pull your mics up pretty tight I know we don't have a problem hearing each other up here but they they have a problem in
the back okay uh oh somebody may have pulled it too close okay well I'm going to begin with a uh a proclamation and this was for the Red Cross
um go ahead and begin where're as during the American Red Cross month each March we celebrate the humanitarian Spirit of the fank springs and reaffirm our commitment to help ensure no one faces a crisis alone
and whereas the American Red Cross prevents and alleviates human suffering in the face of emergencies by mobilizing the power of volunteers and the generosity of donors and whereas caring for one another is at the heart of our community and exemplified by the people
of thefc Springs whose simple acts of kindness through the American Red Cross provide help and hope in people's most difficult moments continuing the life-saving legacy of Clare Barton who founded the organization more than
140 years ago to prevent and alleviate human suffering and whereas every day these ordinary individuals lend a helping hand to make an extraordinary difference for Neighbors in need since 197 the American Red Cross of Northwest Florida has helped thousands of people
whether it is providing emergency shelter food and comfort for families displaced by Home Fires and other disasters donating life saving blood for cancer patients accidental victims accident victims and people with Sickle
cells disease and other lifethreatening conditions supporting military members and Veterans along with their families and caregivers through the unique challenges of service using vital skills like first aid and CPR to help others survive medical emergencies or
delivering International humanitarian Aid and reconnecting loved ones separated by the crisis around the world and whereas their support volunteerism and generous donations are vital to our community's resilience now therefore I Bob C virtue ofor vested me as mayor of
the city to func Springs Florida do hereby and Proclaim March 2025 as American Red Cross month and in the seity of FC Springs encourage all citizens to recognize this month in honor of all those who fulfill CLA Barton's noble words you must never
think of anything except the need and how to meet it and to reach out and support it human AR mission of the American Red Cross is Tony in the room there he is Tony come on back here one quick
Picton doing well yes sir thank congratulations all right we first go to the cons agenda and if uh we would entertain a motion to approve as written or if you want something pulled off of it please let us know at this time motion to approve second have motion
second any questions and now we are at Mr Harrison okay Mr Harrison I all in favor say I I I I I I I Carri thank you very much and now to the regular agenda Kobe
are there any changes no mayor motion to approve it agenda second all right I have a motion and a second uh any questions all in favor say I I I I I I I Carrie thank you very much and we'll go right straight to our city manager with
4 C1 thank you mayor last uh Friday I met with County Administration and county legal to go over the interlocal agreement for the senior center so uh if all call W County Board County Commissioners vot a 5 to
bring back and updated inter local where the city would take over daily operations of Life Enrichment Senior Center so the agreement is um pretty much the same as we have with Tri County switching out the city with Tri County um the county will provide the facility the maintenance of that facility both inside and out along with janitorial
services um they have the same funding language this discretionary just like the cities is but we do expect to keep that and then they will donate the van they purchase in their budget year to the city for senior center use uh the city's requirements would be obviously employment of the individuals to run the
center uh the fuel for the van and the insurance for the van as well and then there are some other internal things operating manual annual reports that we will do internally uh the funds the funds that have been given to Tri County we will work with Tri County those will come straight to the
city um unless there's a objection from the county but I don't believe that there is we'll work that out and then this TR County also had a reserve for the senior center we were going to ask that comes to the city as well to replace phones computers TVs things of that like uh the term is for three years
starting on March 15 2025 and continue until September 30th 2028 and may be renewed for an additional three years upon a written assessment of both parties um this was at the request of the County Administrator I didn't see an objection to that we have been doing the past annual RS so that is the agreement
before you with the county motion to approve inter local second all right motion second questions comments from anyone all in favor say I I I I I I I
Carrie thank you very much thank you mayor long waited for no that will be on the board of County Commissioners agenda for tomorrow is currently only consent agenda I will be present in case gets pulled but it is only consent thank you very much all right we'll go
to 4c2 there uh if you all recall the city came into possession of property along Bal Avenue between 21st and 22nd Street through a code violation agreement we had with the property owner and another individual um that property did have a bunch of mobile homes on it
the staff is done a great job this week tearing those down is currently removing the debris um so they've been very quick about it and done a clean job so we will finish that over the next week or so getting that complet squore away um so it was my intent to bring this before yall to see what it is the council would like to do with that piece of property I
did have someone call and inquire about selling it if that's something you would all be interested in doing so really I guess we are two options either sell it on the sealed bid on the market or um retain the property for a future use until the council sees fit so it's totally up to to to the council and just
looking for direction on that property uh councilman Valley pointed it out I took some time did the map property prer says it's 0.12 Acres it is not it is was basically 1.03 1.02 Acres so reference
okay Mr Mayor go ahead um I would like to make a motion that we uh consider putting it out on the open market for seal bid with a a minimum Reserve that is uh appropriate to cover all costs incurred by the city up to this
point okay you have a motion second second go ahead I I believe it's too premature to sell that property I think it aligns uh in the future with some things that we're planning on doing like the bike path uh potential parking
issues that we're you know that the CRA is looking at um if Amtrak if if we can ever get the Amtrak to come in here I just think it might have some value in the future it might just be too premature to put it on the open market anyone else yeah go ahead mayor uh thank
you so um I I tend to agree that we might see a value increase if we held on it my my reasoning for that is the odd shape of the property the fact that we're removing removing the largest blight at this point will mean that if
it does transfer the CRA is going to get one the C is going to get the benefit if we if we sold it now because it go into private hands instead of our hands two um I think once you remove the highest blight element Within a neighborhood you're going to see an increase in values but if we if we're the first one
in at the lowest price point it's going to eliminate that opportunity for a greater appreciation over time uh I see potential for someone to pick up one or one or even two 98 frage Parcels uh which probably would have a decent price if someone was willing to sell and it would actually increase that property
value significantly um I don't think it has any use as as parking or or or an Amtrak feature or anything like that it's just too far out of the core area we really need to take care of but I do think that once we eliminate the highest blight element give the give the area a little chance
just give it a chance to breathe see what it does in terms of value see if someone else picks up one of those other pieces I just hate to see us be the ones that sold the the cheapest component then everyone profits off of all of our work and we see none of it um I'm willing to test it but if we do I would
ask if if we do test it that we at least do an assessment before we go straight to bid I I would wait at least internally get a number that we want to hold as a bottom because if we just put it for open bid with no bottom right well you always reserve the right to
reject any and all bids for any or no reason just because you bid it does not mean you're required all of our standard bids include the city reserves the right toet to reject any and all beds correct uh my ask would be that we just at least establish even if it's just
internally determin a minimum price that we' be willing to accept um so we don't go into it cold and and then have a big debate at the DI Mr Mayor go ahead so certainly here in those comments and and and agree I think we should establish
some sort of minimum quote unquote Reserve that we we expect to see out of the property but removing removing while we have removed and remediated the blight if we hold on to it we're effectively taking it off the tax roles and what what capital does the city have
to turn around and improve this proper or actually do something with this property from my perspective there's little to none so why not put the the property back on the open market it will eventually come back into the open tax roles and then then at that point everybody's winning right we we the city
accomplished what it set out to do by remediating the blight but let's not take it off the tax rolls and let it just sit there as vacant property if there's people interested in it which we we've already received one inquiry it is Prime Prime Property um I I think that we should should we should keep it out
there on the market let's let's not hold on to property and make make it a policy that we're constantly holding on to property I Kobe what is the just value in the taxable base out of it right now as it as it was the adjust value and
assess value as it was is $ 62,3 153 yep and the T and the tax base how much was the tax oh I I have to pull that up I think it was only a couple hundred P yeah the land value was only at 30,000 though we'll be wiping slight
clean now there is something to consider on that property we do have uh a gas uh structure a gas connection point there making sure that we have enough to take care about any future expansion um and then also identif figuring out with
that slice of of it's not an easy that that slice uh that runs east west on the North edge of it um just I think we just a little bit of homework there just figure out what it is make sure we got enough for what we need in the future um you know we know that that 30,000 will
be low so yeah that's yeah it's insignificance my point it's a little homework on again if if we have if we have standard Clause that says we can reject any and all bids why don't we just go
out and see what it looks like I I I just don't see the city holding on to property I mean we that was one of the things we did when I first got elected is we we pulled up all the the property that was just vacant not being used and we try to dispose of as much of it as we can the city shouldn't be a land bank
and especially a piece of property like this it shouldn't sit vacant on on you know the idea that we might build a train station one day there the24 trim notice was $863 64 oh thanks um Kobe do we have a
list of all of the lands that the city owns that we were going to evaluate I thought that was coming back to us we do so uh staff did create an Excel spread with all City parcels and we got some of the information I will forward that to you working on trying to put that on a map so we can visualize it seeing that
parcel ID and hitting them individually GNA lose councilman would you be willing to wait until he brings that back so we could look at that and and and if if that's the you know stance that we're going to take maybe we need to look at multiple properties at the same time versus just this one I Council woman I I
hear your request but I don't think there's no harm in any foul in in at least putting it out for seal BB because again we can reject all all so let's just see what the interest is I we may come back and it may be a $30,000 bid and we say nope we're not interested I don't I don't think the city should lose
money on this but at the same time I just hate to see vacant Lots sit around the city and and to a certain extent the process for uh issuing the RFP and the seal bids and everything else is going to take time and that would allow for this other request requested information
to come back as well mayor yes Kobe how much how much money do we have invested in that now that we acquired it and the code violations that were racked up and the time and and materials that our folks have put into
that taking it so our average uh City's average investment in that from the code perspective is $2,500 typically what ours is per property because it's more so administrative task and duties um but in terms of acquiring the proper we have no we have no cash in acquiring the
property again it was part of a but agreement we had with violator um no so at the time of that property was a three-way agreement between the former property owner and the current property owner who had received that through quite title or uh deed and so we worked
with them uh the city received a payment of a little over $444,000 um from The Violator and received the deed to the property uh the person who owned it got paid by the Violator so the city did not spend any money in acquiring the property um we did a three-way agreement which we
thought was win- win for everyone involved and so that's how we got here Mr may go ahead yeah we we might not really have anything to lose by testing the waters and see what's out there I'd just like
to give us some us to have some time to discuss the possible uses for the city um I don't have any identified in my mind um but you know first thing that comes to mind not that that's a suitable Place
necessarily but the dog park was uh would was something um I don't see that as a great place for it being right next to Highway 90 but just say there may be something that this has just turned around right this has just just happened so we we haven't had a conversation
about the potential benefits of owning it something we could do with it um because if we have to at some point buy property in the future uh we're not going to get it for any less than we got that for that's for certain we'll have to we'll have to buy it most likely um
so it could potentially be a valuable piece of property to us in use usage um but but you know if you Tes water if that's what it wants to do put the bids out U I don't I don't mind that but I I would certainly like a little time to
discuss it and look at it all right have a motion second any other comments May yeah good um I would say the thing that the only that gives me significant pause is the fact that there was interest that's very different
than just waiting um once there's interest you don't you don't pass up interest I mean I I agree there um I I stated the things that I think would be interesting to consider and possibilities it wouldn't hurt my feelings if it didn't work out uh with
that party um but I I just want to say the fact fact that there is interest kind of changes my math about it but uh and also don't like the idea of the city collecting properties you other comment I I can go either way with this
one um I I don't have I don't hold hard feelings would we can put it out for bids and see what comes back because at least we can reject it if if it's not what we determine we want to do at that time so um but I also see what the
councilwoman is saying as well and like what Mr Harrison was saying with the dog park ideas is also but I don't I don't have any heart forone going out for bid at this point okay you know the only comment I was going to make was uh I would like to stay away from a
minimal let the market tell us what the minimum is I don't set it I agree you know because once you said it everybody in the world knows it and I've watched us do land deals in the past I thought man this is not fair we have to lay all our cards on table
well you don't have to lay your cards on table on this one you got let the market determine what what it's worth at a minimum so all right with that we have a motion in a second any other comment Lisa so today of defening act def
Springs dog park task force I've heard mention of the dog park twice now that is an unrealistic location for future use for the dog park there is no sidewalks yes it is on Highway 90 but we are looking at another spot on Highway
90 however that location does have sidewalks on the back end of it and it already has parking so I'm fully am not in favor of even considering that for full for future for dog park thank you anyone
else all in favor say I I I I I nay I scary thank you very much may can I can I make a note or a comment on that one um I think that we should seriously consider you know La Land swaps for
partials that might be desirable to us as part of any bid applications so I think we should consider not just payments and cash but if there's land that's more amendable to us with the better fit that would be a good dog park location I think we should consider
different than just monetary contributions thank you all right Kobe we'll go to 4 C3 thank you mayor this we're requesting to issue RFQ
20251 AP this is for the hangers 181920 development project which is on the east side of the airport um so this is for design engineering and construction phase Services of Municipal Airport hangers 181920 development project so
that's that's the motion ask for I do have a statement if we receive a motion moved second I have a motion and second comments comments from the public Mr Mary if I mayor so uh two quick things
one uh uh I never every wanted to be there but I some people had some scheduled conflicts but I want to thank councilman scur councilman Harrison the mayor for being president at the tri board meeting uh good news the city did receive approval on step one for $4.22 n
million for this project through trium Gulf Coast which is a big deal um and I think it's worth noting and taking a second to to recognize the efforts by the city council and put into this and what we're doing for the city and what you all have a vision for the city so I definitely thank you all deserve a round
of applause for that and the work we've done to get that funding for the city so I do definitely think youall deserve that all right all right any comments all in favor say I hi hi I I nay I Carrie thank you very much all
right Kobe we'll move on to 4c4 thank you mayor so 4c4 is RFQ 20251 PW continuing professional Engineering Services the city went out for bid for Engineering Services we did receive 12 responses to that bid uh you
all recall the council decided to be the committee to review to inter review interview and select these firms so you were giving all giving all these in the packet as long as well as Google drive to review so we are just looking for the firms the council would like to interview um the number is up to all of
you once you select those firms staff will work to find a date suitable for everyone and the parties involved to set that up trying to get it all right so what was the what what were you wanting from the council as far as am minimum I'm looking for uh that I guess the firms
the council would like to interview so we can set those up those interview no particular number no sir that's totally up to the council okay Mr Mayor go ahead so I guess I'd like to maybe just kind of open the conversation with I think we should we should either pick either three firms or five firms um I know from
past experience sitting through through those those uh presentations is going to be lengthy um and I think it's I think it's appropriate that we either select three or five and kind of pair it down from there um and then my other suggestion would be once we decide on a
number we then maybe all just provide our three um and then I don't know if we need to do that in real time here where we would provide them and then there would be some sort of tally for who actually receives the top five we probably need to kind of work the the mechanics of that out but that's just my
initial thought if you were to start shoot to three and you couldn't get satisfaction without going to five I mean if you can get to three in a hurry that'd be great but if not go to Five I'd be willing to put my top three
out there I'd be willing to put mine three out there I don't know what the rest of the council would like to do we want to write these down real quick yeah you make two notes and we we can one note is uh I'm asking if mean to the council at least two so if you would just keep that in mind I'm asking to
have two firms in a contract and then uh I do Rafael did put together a list of the requirements of the bid so I can tell you who did not meet certain didn't provide certain aspects of the bid but again end of the day it's up to the council whether you wave that formality or not well well certain formality is
not all so so when you look at your spreadsheet that he's got I do want you to put on the the ones that staff deem non-responsive correct I didn't get that so did you no he's going to put them on the record I'm about to go through right now but I will forward it everyone so
there were 10 requirements of the bid uh one USB five copies paper copies one original paper copy a letter of interest GSA standard form 33s statement and documentation of qualifications proof of license and certifications conflict of
interest statement other work litigation experience and then certified minority business Enterprise participation so I'm going to go through it I'm just going to tell you the ones who did not meet particular as of requirements everyone met the USB um Atlas engineering and
Consulting did not provide five copies everyone did provide one original hard copy Atlas engineering Consulting did not provide a letter of interest everyone did provide GSA standard form 33s everyone did provide statement and
documentation of qualifications everyone did provide proof of license and certifications Atlas engineering and Consulting as well as Baker Engineers LLC did not provide conflict of interest statements ankor CI Atlas engineering
and Consulting Baker Engineers LLC and PEX PS uh did not meet other work litigation experience which is more so of an I guess an additive right yeah yeah I think your column's L&M and we're about to talk about that on the de aren't
really correct mandatory qualifications they're not minimum qualifications but we'll come back to this go get test and then the last one was a certified minority business Enterprise participation the only firm that participates in that provided evidence to the fact was pecs so on the last two the LA we'll
start in reverse order the very last one is a form that if you qualify you submit if you don't qualify you don't submit so you can't disqualify someone for anyone on the certified minority business so just cuz they didn't provide it it does that's not that is you have to notice us
if you are one that's the difference so that's why we do that um as to the other work litigation experience what I would say is the way that is structured we do ask that they provide us that for our review ultimately that's going to be
part of the council's overall discussion with them and it's part of the overall scoring process so their decision to provide or not provide it just factors into the overall scoring so I don't particularly find that to be a disqualifying so with the five copies
I'll say this if we have it in a digital version somebody does somebody doesn't that's technicality that's the kind of thing you can choose to wave if you want to um the fact that only one failed to provide it speaks volumes in my opinion but I
would say that the fact that they did not submit the letter of interest is required same group filed that and they were also one of the firms that did not submit a conflict of interest statement which I find to be much more concerning at a minimum I think that firm has to be found to be nonresponsive and therefore
disqualified and what was the group what that was number two it that is atlas engineering consultant yeah I think you got to kick them um the other one that did not provide a conflict of interest um I would tell you I think that is probably much more concerning um they
provided everything else but if you choose to I will just say this if you choose to go far without them providing you that conflict of interest statement and we later find there is one or it's a problem you probably waved your recourse rights there so that's a very standard part of
all these bid documents so to me the um that's probably where I would draw the line is anybody who didn't submit those two probably should be your non responsives uh I would also say though considering Atlas didn't submit two other very basic parts of the package is
why they would but um if the council were so prepared I think it would be acceptable at this time if the council wanted to designate those two as non-responsive and then provide your names exclusive of Atlas number two Atlas engineering Consulting and number
three Baker Engineers LL if Council finds them to be responsive we would need a motion to wave formalities to me this is an engineering and and a bid for me every detail is important and I'm sorry that that might be a minor detail it's still a detail
that's to me is very important so for me I would like to if you didn't meet the minimum of what we asked for I I don't believe you should have an opportunity at the diet so strike those two it would be my recommendation I agree I think I think I think the conflict of interest form is a is a substantial issue I know
some people would say I think it is substantial and the fact the other one had what I would call minor deficiencies I can't recommend waving minor deficiencies in favor of that so if we would if the council would be willing to rank um with those two
being deemed non-responsive that is your recommendation correct Mr Townson yes so just those two the other ones the work experience you're going to sort out through your interview process Mr Mayor go ahead I do want to clarify that um Mr Townson did mention that he would like to have two on contracts so I'm thinking
that maybe we should expand it to five yeah with that being said okay yeah I'm we good I was just going to say I to avoid a potential conflict on this round I'm going to uh not participate in this portion and see who goes through uh to
avoid a conflict with one of the engineering firms actually potentially too okay as far as the reduction you're going to step back I'm gonna step back because that could be seen as favoritism to one way or another okay all right we got what 10 they would
effec we make it 10 yes okay so um you want 10 people for us to interview that's what's there are 10 firms of which you are going to each list five write down your top five and we I only have four I'll give you my top four mayor
well give us a top four do do we want do we want to do that verbally do we want to do that in writing what's quier writing but you know it's up to Y go one by one I can write it down and then we can take next St yeah Mr CH is prepared to write and he's going to scratch K Valley's off so
makes life easy for okay let's just start in the order we're at with Harrison can I clarify something Co Kobe and I talked this afternoon um even though he's looking for two you could be open to having more than
two um as continuing Services corre correct that's it's totally up to the council I like I think I have spoke a couple to a couple of you about it uh some of our neighbors I've spoke to them about this and the M number they have and some of the ways they go about it um once for example they have an architectural firm on contract they may
use it once a year right that just allows us to to use that resource during the year as needed or as the council sees fit um so that's totally up to all of you but I am I am requesting a minimum of two gotcha okay
okay I didn't speak up early enough but I was kind of hoping we could you know look at someone on the larger scale and somebody on the smaller scale but um you know which smaller firm probably more energetic about some of these
smaller projects but anyway uh let's go ahead and get the name can you prepare to do your top five I am all right let's give them to C uh barge
Baskerville North Florida Professional Services and anchor that four or five that's four do you have a fifth Council not five no sir Bas Donovan's
one I said bar Basketville anchor three North Florida um okay so CDG will be my fifth one CDG okay okay Mr BB yes sir I have
anchor Baskerville CDG I'm gonna butcher this matow I see a MIT and O Connell okay
J okay Mr con barge Baskerville CDG North Florida Professional Services and oconnell good I have anchor
Baskerville midtower and Gordon mhler do you have a fifth councilwoman I do not would you like to provide one no I do not thank you it was g o r t n m o l l e r Orton M
I believe that's how you say it I shouldn't take just anchor for sure anchor and basket got four for an example uh you know like when we were looking at getting something done
over where we want the Arts Center to come in at the build than they bought the bigger bigger Engineers man they just don't they don't get excited about that at all right charge you out the
Y that's why I wish we had a some that was on it couldn't handle 1020 million somebody might handle a $1 million project not not that their bill would
be but that's kind of I've noticed that's pinched us the last couple gotta what I said uh I've noticed particular the last couple years where we've had some small projects
that a smaller level engineer could have handled been quicker cheaper all the above and I don't know if we could break out a third I was hoping we could do one take care of all the large products and one take care of the small medium
project because uh my experience been the bigger Engineers not really excited about you know something that's G bring them $775,000 I think he ready you ready mayor yes sir
thank you mayor okay mayor so uh firms that receive three or more were anchor Baskerville and Donovan is CDG so we requested those three do be interviewed um only uh I'm what was your I'm not going to try to pronounce it what was your your
last start of the G how did you say it I said Gordon M okay that firm received one so that one would essentially be out H the firms that received two votes were uh however you say yours metor and
Associates okon and Associates North Florida Professional Services and in bars design engineering Solutions so um you have three anchor basketball Don and then CDG if you would like to do five I would recommend we pick two as the group
that received at least two votes so I can repeat those again if you like we want to just go ahead and pick the two just like we did this yes sir so FS that received two votes were metor and Associates okon and Associates North
Florida Professional Services and Barge design Solutions ter you want pick two of those what were they again Toby I'm butchering this first one so please no one put me on a record with this I don't know how to not you're talking about the one with the m yes I
got that one y okay okon and Associates yeah North Florida Professional Services okay and in bars design Solutions okay got it give me a second here to look it over we can come back to you want barge for
one yeah Kobe could you ask the staff to put o oconnell up on the screen uh I don't have it in front of me I didn't bring my cof uh Jesse could you I believe it's number 13 so it's a very last one will we go down to a Connell and Associates
it's gonna be way down there and may you mentioned having possibly a third one to handle smaller things and that was my reason for uh Miss conversation with Kobe uh earlier because one of these companies and that's uh
oconnell they from what I saw they do a lot of environmental types of projects which we're going to run into at some some point and and it seems like they they really specialize uh in that kind of thing
um preserving natural resources responsible development all all that kind of stuff environmental Steward ship uh that just caught my attention if we had a third on board you see for for me so uh if we're not going to have a third
on board I wouldn't necessarily go with o okon because I didn't see a whole lot with storm water Wastewater water treatment that kind of stuff um with them so it kind of matters if we're going to go with three or not I guess uh for my second pick but if I had to make
a second one without considering them for those particular things um if you want to come back to me that's fine I'm I'm really debating between these two right here Tod you ready uh yes sir I will go with the
matau and oconnell same matow and oconnell agreed you as well yes sir okay well at that point you got three from the tower Tower and ell clearly make it so that gets you
to five to interview councilman don't mean to catch you out there butut out but I don't think but we've given one vote there one of your votes already so um yeah that nfps cannot get
there no matter what you do um unless you were to vote for Marg a second time that wouldn't bring them up above three votes so would you like to put it on the record yeah there is a one you do not have to yeah well if we're not if if we're if we're not at
this point considering three I would I would have to say uh North Florida and okon well I don't I don't think we're not something that you all will decide at the interview you'll get that
later yeah well kind is not going to make it are they well no they're they're one of interiew okay based off of the voting we would be at anchor I'm I'm G to say the official name so everyone's got that that's I about to say how many they got anchor CI
received three Baskerville Donovan Incorporated receive three CDG received three that's all first ballot so those were automatically qualified so on second ballot these all receive two and on second ballot their totals are U
midtow Associates received three okon and Associates received three bars received bars design Solutions received one and then s if Council Harrison chose North Florida Professional Services they would have received one so everybody that would be
interviewed anchor basille Donovan CDG Mitten hour and oconnell all have three votes across the collective voting that would be a majority of the council even with councilman Valley abstaining so we would need a motion to
conduct to select those as the five firms for interview second and do we want includeing that to select too not yet no no no no no we can't do that yet because this just to qualify for interviews um if we say to select two
then we would have to rank them tonight yeah so we're a step before that okay we have a motion a second uh any comments anyone all in favor to say I all i i i Carrie and then you will get back with
the Rael and I will coordinate with the chosen firms and the council and we will set that up thank you very much all right that was that painful okay he will wor Council Valley will follow the recusal form yeah yeah
all right we're going to go to uh 45 okay mayor thank you this is fdot mcop 2025 Lake View Drive this is the same grant program that the city applied for the Twin Lakes Drive Paving project um
and so the grant request is for $835,000 75 uh the city's match would be $ 28,749 that is for the design and CI which is the same match we did on the previous Grant not the same dollar
amount because this is a larger project but the same things we we agreed to um so we would be asking for approval of that Grant application to submit the grant we would not receive probably word on acceptance or not until the end of this calendar year and then uh we
wouldn't if we did get approved we would not even get the funding until mid 2026 so Danielle and I have spoken we would most likely not budget for this project in the fiscal year 26 but fiscal year 2027 okay motion to approve second all
right have a motion second questions comments anyone I I do kind of want to clarify for uh maybe any of the public that is wondering about this because I the same thing of Kobe there this uh mscott grant program has specific
requirements and so that's why excuse me Lake View was selected was because it it best fits those requirements and it gives us the best possibility all right correct thank you
all in favor to say I I I I I I I Carrie thank you very much all right Kobe we'll go to 4C 6 here this is ITB 2024 pw3 lift station pumps and panels you all
remember the city uh went out to bid for a number of pumps panels and uh Associated equipment on November 6 we received bids on November 18th 2024 um it was an estimated from working with Jacobs it was going to be around $80,000 the bids came back with the
lowest being $132,800 so moved all right move second questions I have mayor um just just a question about how we ended up this much off in these
figures um because these these invitations to bid went out in October of 2024 expected cost of 8,000 provided by Jacobs yes um bids came in in November of
2024 and two bids were roughly $50,000 higher and one was about $7,000 higher that's a huge difference in in our bids so um what I see here is a big delay in replacing equipment that needs to be
replaced because we just issues way over what we anticipated to spend and that's that's kind of a problem um to for this much time time to to pass so I just and and not being critical of anyone but
just how do we avoid this kind of thing from from happening um because we have had our share of spills we have had our sh of failures in our equipment uh to have a delay in purchasing much needed equipment uh I
hope we're prioritizing uh getting these worst ones replaced or finding the money for it in the process because we're talking about seven of them is that that's correct right um so mainly how how can we how can we
prevent this and what were those what was that $8,000 based on um why was it that much lower I don't know if Kyle's here okay well I'll start speaking I think Kyle can assist in that so the the number that Kyle provided and I'll let Kyle
elaborate on it was what he seen be equipment needed to make the current lift station operate as SS right uh biders provided bids based off our tech manual which is for new lift stations and the new equipment Associated so I know I've had this convers we talked about I know I think beer bomb you know
we talked about well do we need to buy equipment for the systems as they currently are today right is that enough or do we need to every time we buy something doesn't need to meet the tech manual so we are above and beyond uh the current need so that's how we got to the difference in the cost Kyle was going off of what could be done right now in
the need as it exists biders provided their cost based off our Tech man manual which is new lift stations have different requirements and our current ones so I can let K elaborate but that's how that came about yeah I mean he he said it just about as well as I or better than I would so a lot of these
older stations they're singlephase stations and that was what I asked Kobe you know after the bids came in that's so high I was like holy crap you know wow you know that these aren't real high flow stations and that's where I asked Mr towns and I was like hey do these Provisions for the new construction
correlate with what's already there and I think we're still working out to find details on that because a lot of the newer stations they have surge protection they have upgraded relays and capacitors and all different kinds of other components in it that aren't really needed for these lower flow
stations um in my mind it'd be overkill for a little five horsepower pump to have this massive panel that's there um when we just need something that's simple um that's cost effective um so that's what we're working on now try to
figure out do we absolutely have to have everything as a new station would if it's already existing okay so so these these bids were just way overkill for what we need in my opinion yes I got you okay Ahad Sor go ahead I was just gonna
into the second point about the time delay um make excuse we just it was mine um I took the time to do it took this long because of me trying to contemplate how we come up with addition 50,000 you know do we need to spend the additional 50,000 is necessary so this is solely on
me and and the reason it's taken so long yeah I kind of want to maybe elaborate a little bit on on the comment because at least in the beginning the explanation kind of was maybe that there was a difference between a singlephase motor and a three-phase motor yes is that kind
of one of the maybe the driving cost yes it is it is a big factor okay um I think as a council I think we just need to be cognizant right of making some of these uh decisions about okay well you know we didn't have the extra $50,000 that we
anticipated so we're we're GNA you know go a different route here but at the same time are we selling ourselves short so I really want us to make sure that we're we're thinking through and this is the same conversation I had with Kobe of yes it's more than we anticipated but is there a way for us to get there because
what I what I don't want to have as as you right rightfully pointed out I don't want to have continued spills so are there things that we can do to these lift stations while we're improving them to protect ourselves in the future but let's also be real uh last night it's
interesting that you mentioned the lightning protection because that's been mentioned for many many years here at the at the uh the dis just last night had a had a thunderstorm come through and I'm pretty sure it took out power for the entire the entire city for a few minutes so we're we're highly
susceptible to lightning damage and and I've heard heard in my team you're here I've heard of lightning damage hitting pumps before so maybe it is worth it that we do the search protection even on the smaller ones I I don't know I you know I don't have all the information in front of me so it's hard for me to make
a you know a hot take on whether that is or isn't financially feasible but what I'm getting at here is I don't want us to just say okay well we don't we didn't have the extra $50,000 we were anticipating we're just going to not do all this other stuff time out
let's let's look at that let's maybe have another followup where we actually can have some data here of this was missing from this pump or this lift station and and if it's one phase or or single phase or three phase to me that's not a big deal but surge capacity proper
panel for alerting and and ska of purposes that's that's what I want to hone in on yeah go ahead Kobe help me out what am I missing because when we went out to bid did we not know what we wanted to
what we expected to get in return so for example that's a huge variance as we're pointing out and maybe it wasn't clear on what we expected to purchase and I'm just wondering is that part of this issue and in the future we need to be
more specific on what exactly it is that we're asking someone to bid on so I think I think I'm not this is probably odd never happened again I think everyone was right both two parties were right right because Kyle was providing numbers based off what's currently in the lift station so his he was in the mind of replacing it with what's
currently there that's going to meet the need of lift station the biders were pulling it off the tech manual which have above and beyond what we currently have in the system and so I guess what we're saying now is Kyle was of the opinion well can we just replace what's in there or does the council want to make sure that every time we replace
parts and pieces to the LI stations they meet the tech manual specs that's kind of what council beer bomb's getting at if I'm not mistaken correct I I I think that we should take the opportunity maybe we can't do all of them but let's take the opportunity to get them all up to a certain standard sure and do we is
there a provision that has just reamping lift stations is there a tech manual for that or is it just for new construction H we would have we'd have to take a look at the tech manual and get through that I I would think my understanding of and again I'm not an electrical engineer but my understanding
is the difference between single phase and three phase is going to be you know cost savings on on the electricity bill long term correct I would assume ideally we would love everything to be three-phase yes but I I also understand that you get below a certain size on a pump and it's
not economical to buy a three-phase half horsepower pump they probably don't even make them but it's hard to find right right right so we could in theory we could be forcing ourselves to buy a half horsepower three three-phase pump then all of a sudden they're impossible to
locate a repair a replacement for you can drop it within the system and have both within but you can't you can't necessar you can't kind of fake it you can't really bump up to three phase but you can bump down so you can be servicing both off of the three you just have to step it down the problem I just think we should we should take the
opportunity as much as possible to get all of these up to a single standard that way parts are theoretically interchangeable panels are consistent because that's the other thing I've heard over the years is we have all of this various configuration of panels you definitely do and it makes M maintenance
as well as repair difficult because we have just a wide variety of P panels throughout the system so so that that's all I was trying to understand is how why that variation there and if they're going by the tech uh manual I completely agree I
mean if we're going to upgrade a system let's upgrade it we just have to figure out how to how to pay for it and do it the way it should be done and then we can sleep at night yeah sure thank you well we going go ahead and get these bids rejected and then I think we
probably ought to give him a heads up on in the future go from the perspective of protection versus sure the uh basic replacement you I know I work with electricity a lot and uh I'll tell you when it comes to
lightning uh there is no guarantees we've uh we've had properties where we' put so much protection on there you'd think it's impossible for them to lose uh Power and then we've been in other places that had no protection and down
at the beach where you get all kind of lightning and they never get blown so I mean it's like it's it's difficult but I would certainly go with the surge protection oh yeah absolutely if y'all are going to re look at this maybe suggest converting some of our
singlephase stations into three phase stations if we're going to if youall going to take the lead for surge protection and added value it would benefit the city greatly to if they're going to go in and put the panel in anyway to go ahead and make it three phase instead of single phase Mr Mayor
yeah Mr clerk was was I was I the one to make the original motion yes sir okay so I would like to offer an amendment to my motion to include that staff bring back in the next 90 days good depends on what you're asking for yeah almost got you there yeah
you've been I I'll say 90 days and we'll see where this goes n 90 days an analysis on these live stations to to just basically do a comparison this is what is in the tech manual this is what we have at the station here's where they don't match so
that we can then make up make up a plan for that that includes a recommendation though doesn't it yes sir not just a assessment analysis and recommendation yes okay now let me make sure get off Bas basic motion which was the decline right decline but
then for staff to bring back okay staff to bring back in 90 days I'm in my second all right all right so we have a motion second any other question all in favor say I I I I I I I Carri thank you very much and we will go
to 4 C7 thank you mayor opportunity Florida membership board representative um I'm going to introduce this item I'm going to ask your Matthew with the economic development L please come up um so opportunity Florida is a regional Economic Development organization more
so for Rural communities and so the Eda has paid for the city's first year membership to the organization I believe they did the same for Paxton if I'm not mistaken and so I did get reached Out exective director reached out to me Roy Baker is it Baker yes um and asked that the city rep appoint a representative to
that board so if you're I would please kind of explain opportunity Florida to us and what the organization would be for the city thank you you're ran Matthew for the record you are I a Matthews with two T's hello everybody um the uh opportunity Florida is one of three rural areas of opportunity in
Florida there's a South Central a North Central and then Northwest Florida we're the uh westernmost County um in that uh grouping for opportunity Florida and being designated as AO provides benefits uh most recently a big piece of
legislation was passed that allows um communities in rural areas of opport opportunity to forego uh reimbursement for um funding some some types of projects and grants so if uh if you're requesting money you don't have to have
the expense and then uh and then seek reimbursement you can actually request the funds or direct payment to the project um so that's just one example of of how the legislature treats uh rural areas of opportunity um this would be a quarterly board meeting uh every quarter
uh most recently we met last week at the Calhoun uh airp report um for uh opportunity Florida and then there is a fall conference mayor I believe you've been there a few times the Florida rural Economic Development uh Alliance meeting typically that's in Central Florida this
last uh meeting was in Ocala in the November time frame um it's a great organization you'll find a lot of like-minded communities there and I'm excited uh to have you all be a member we're just looking for uh the council to appoint someone to that board that can be one of the six elected or
myself but that is up to the council who they'd like to have represent City any council members want want to serve I interested in doing that I would like to nominate I'll make a motion to nominate Mr Harrison to the to the opp rural opportunity membership second I I have a
motion second uh any questions I want fa say I not want hi hi hi hi i k and just to comment on that you I say this and this local group that works out of Chipley and
Mariana are they don't have this big old Gul sitting in their backyard like we do I'm G tell you what those guys really hustle so you'll learn a lot working with these guys and uh and I and I'm sure that youah has picking up some it's
a great group to be a part of they're very very aggressive and uh they can they can squeeze big bottle of lemonade out of a little bit of lemon I tell you that yes and and if you haven't heard or seen some of the news there's some legislation going through right now um
uh sponsored at the state level uh and they're calling it the rule Renaissance so I think this is the perfect time to be part of this uh organization and to be aware of some of the legislation that's being passed I think it'll work out well for the city of definian Springs thank you all rations welcome
board all right Mr Kobe we got what one more for you yes mayor be number eight number eight if you go ahead okay fora Liga City's unanticipated Revenue I'm going to give a quick background on this um this all happened well prior to my time so I'm going to let Mr ainson then
take over from there so the uh the city uh received on Thursday a check in the mail for $215,900 May back uh in 2015 uh because some sales tax and government sharing funds have been
withheld during the time the grand jury investigation was going on and so I got Miss McDaniel she pulled out some information we looked at the Grand Jury report and you there were two things with held the revenue sharing half cent sales tax uh from the fiscal year 134
and fiscal year 1415 uh under the revenue sharing portion it says released to the city on 21016 release to the city on 51 1917 if you take the half cent sales taxes withheld from both of those years and you add them together you will get
the number which is listed somewhere in there but it is $22,995 th000 deductible with the Florida leue of cities you get the exact number of the check we received $21 15,9 7526 uh this Lisa ginsky who is our
planning assistant also does insurance for the city has been persistent uh with the league on this for years now uh because the league initially said they wouldn't cover the claim so she's been looking for a denial and writing never would provide that kept going after them uh about three weeks ago they came back
and said well you may have a claim uh and then all of a sudden the check showed up so we do want to thank Miss gillinsky for her persistent work in this on behalf of the city uh and pursuing that as well so Mr ainson if you have any further thank you summarized it very well the city has long held the position
that based on the state of Florida's correspondence to us in several instances documented the mum file that uh the situation was as much due to the city's failure to respond
from our finance directors of the time to correspondence that this should be treated as an errors and omissions type of claim just to give a broad analysis under our policy polic given Finance director is a city official under the code and that as such we should have
been indemnified and protected for that and that's what our insurance is there for and the State of Florida was very clear this was not a penalty it was just we're withholding the funds and once we made everything right and the state would not submit it our position is that
became a forfeiture of those monies the league took the position that was never the case initially but again here we are this many years later and we never got the money from the state so I am very happy to see the league honor what is in our opinion and
has been in our opinion since 2017 a very plain part of our insurance policy that should have been covered it would be no different than if the person had literally embezzled the money failed to make deposits or given out access that caused us to lose the money it is
misappropriate it is not a misappropriation of money but is a misper performance of official duties in this case we think it was at least Miss Fe all right Mr Mayor yes before we vote on this clay I don't recall uh I just
learned of this this afternoon so I'm very excited that Miss Lisa has pursued this all this many years however I believe I've read in the past where we've gotten this money reimbursed once already from the state and I think before we before we vote on it I think I
would be more comfortable could we postpone voting on this for one one more meeting so that we can ver verify that we didn't collect this already because it was either through a letter or as an audit in one of the audit readings that I've read after this because that was
one of my whole points when I was running for this seat was that grand jury report so I have a lot of documentation and for some reason when you the first thing I said when Kobe told me about this today was I think we already received that once before if I'm not mistaken and I just want to be I
just want to be absolutely sure before we deposit this money that that already receive it I'll say I'll say this the mayor and I certainly know we met with state representatives about trying to have because we were told very clearly we would never get the money
back right that we would look at could we possibly with the senator Gainer specifically is who I'm referring to here had talked about possibly finding a way to get the city some additional revenue for other purposes to make up the loss of it but not to replace it and
um he certainly did help us with I would say this he tried to help us with that in abundance of caution I would just two more week Church required to pay the money as they were required to pay because it was a claim that we were out that amount of money no matter what if the state did ultimately send us
that they certainly didn't send us interest so I don't I don't see where there's any reason to hold a check and then let League of cities change their mind it's taking them this long to issue the check um we're entitled to say it's been deposit well if it's been deposit
you're under the resolution following the grand jury report to make a decision of what to do with the money at this meeting so there is no hold based on the resolution following the grand so so in the event that I'm correct what is the remedy we have to send it back to uh the state didn't it's not a double payment
the state did not send us this money if you're right the state remitted it then that's our insurance paying us a there might have been a misprint that you read but nobody send us any money yeah I will be shocked if somebody can show where the State of Florida ever remitted us that check again but in any event it's not a double
payment because it doesn't come from the state of Florida and we never received a check from the league of cities Mr but but we filed a claim that says we never got reimbursed when no we no we did not we filed a we filed a claim that an official of the city cost us money due
to their misfeasance to be very blunt if not nonfeasance and the league of cities ultimately honored that we never said that the league doesn't make us for the state failing to pay us we said
we were had these monies withheld and that is harm and damage that did occur to the city and I would certainly say the lack of $200,000 for eight years now that the city would have had available to it um is certainly something that we probably were well entitled to that full
amount probably plus it probably plus substantial interest Florida judgment rate interest would be much higher today and it was back then as well we had a low window in between but there's a window of time there that would have been pretty sporty so Mr Mayor I would
like to make a motion that we um set this money aside until budget time in a specially designated fund so that it is not spent and that during the budget time we contemplate how best to actually use this money uh for the betterment of
the city second all right have a motion second questions um yeah I think we need to do that but um the only concern I had is if we had any U matching funds that we were shorted on or anything but again that can be
negotiated during the the budget cycle yeah i' I'd really like to see us heavily contemplate this as as a council the best way to use this money this is unanticipated revenue and I really think that it should be used in a way that you know every citizen can point to it and
say this is what that money was spent on I I don't want to see a repeat of what brought on the B the uh grand jury investigation which was the $300,000 from the BP o Bill going into the general fund and just disappearing Into The Ether
right any other question is there anything pressing that we need to spend the money on now not that I'm not that I'm in a rush to spend money but I'm do you have a recommendation not for an immediate
purpose okay I I hear the Chiefs already putting dibs on it I haven't even told him about this I was hoping he wouldn't he listening oh my God so so what we would do is so what we would do is this
um pursuing to our 2018 resolution and for the record 2018-14 the monies are not able to be expended until a joint report from the city manager Finance director or receive detailing the nature of that where it was deposited what date and a
recommended proposal as the use of it so as a simple matter there's the motion to put it into a separate fund is unnecessary because the funds are effectively Frozen um they have a window of time to do this they're to consult with me they certainly consult with the
mayor as part of this and the report shall be prepared and presented the city council a regularly scheduled city council meeting as a clearly stated agenda item within 30 days from the receipt of Revenue so they've provided advisement under the resolution today what day did it come in Danielle do you
remember Thursday Thursday so you got 30 days from its receipt on Thursday for them to bring it back to you so your next regular scheduled council meeting they will provide you that report to indicate what they're doing um so
obviously um that doesn't change anything else we're required do any that as other obligations but until that report has prepared and presented an action taken um there is no base there is no ability to spend the money unless an emergency circumstances declared by
this Council not the city manager for the expenditures of those monies so right now you've got a 30-day hold on all monies until it comes back with their official recommendation of where to go withdraw your motion time well there's just it's it's premature at this
time to do anything because it is frozen at this point yeah but he doesn't have a motion I right a second uh but Clay is it is it still premature for us to just go ahead and agree to not do anything with this until budget time we can still allow the the
report to be submitted well you can't do any so the way the resolution verbatim until the report described here has been prepared and presented as required by this resolution no money's associated with any Revenue referenced heing shall be expended in whole or in part and then there's the exception for emergency
circumstances so that's a full statement and another itself so until that happens they have to present it and you have to act on their recommendation so at that point in time once that's been done the council will make that decision so once
they make that report if they have a requested use for it you can say do it you can say we want it um made part of next year's budget but take the action on their report we're ahead of the report is what we're we are right now today got okay I withdraw my motion
second thank youby you want any other comments on that no May that is all go ahead no nothing good yeah okay all right then we're going to go to our public hearing and we will go to Mr Wallace on 5
A1 Mr Wallace you want me to take this while you're walking up here because we've handled this one a few times sir so this is the down copy of the ordinance so so this is the downtown business district that we have talked about councilman beerbom and councilman
valy have probably gone through this one more times they ever care to I don't know Mr Cron's here but certainly if he is he was instrumental in that but this is the creation of the downtown business district that has been heard no less than a half dozen times at the code
landre viiew committee heard once here initially have first readings so here on second reading so what we need is a motion Old Second reading conduct the public hearing into ad do so moved I have a motion second
questions go ahead all right and no public comment either seeing none if I we just need to go ahead and have a vote at that point and I'll do this reading mayor all them favor say I I I I I I I
carry2 sir ordinance number 982 and ordinance the city pic Springs amending city of P Springs Miss code specifically Land Development code H and recodified in and renumbering the sections therein to create a new downtown business district including regulations therein providing for conflict severability and
effective date thank you thank you all right Mr Wallace well before he starts mayor I'll keep on going for the moment we the next four items even though they are first readings are small scale amendments with companion rezonings
because the res zonings are inextricably intertwined to the small scale amendments these cases these are Quasi Jud IAL proceedings anyone wishing to speak including staff the applicant or members of the public whether is to ask questions offer comments or otherwise will be presenting sworn testimony and
needs to be sworn at this time so anyone wishing to speak on items 5 a 2 3 four and five that is the Daryl hook small scale amendment in zoning map Amendment and the Aaron Weinstock small scale Amendment and zoning map Amendment needs
to be sorn at this time please stand raise your right hand and repeat after me that's any one that might make a comment anybody at all if you wish to speak got to be sworn please rep to me I do hereby swear or airm I do hearby swear or affirm the
testimony I present testimony I present will be the truth be the truth the whole truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth nothing but the truth thank you staff in the audience R sworn Mr Wallace yes sir thank you this is 2025
ssa-3 it's Daryl Hook's request to amend the future land use map for property located on North First Street he is requesting a smallscale amendment to admit the future land use map from Municipal which is currently the county
uh zoning designation and low density residential to medium uh medium density residential again it's located in the North First Street and it is 12.6 acres in size motion to approve second motion be
motion to hold first reading and advertise or second reading public heing and for adoption okay I have a motion gu ma'am um Chris will you please remind me what is the difference between R1 and R2 as
far as size how many units per acre on a R1 versus R2 yeah the R1 allows a density of three and a half dwelling units per acre three and a half yes ma'am the R2 allows 16 dwelling units
per acre okay um and we discussed this earlier there is currently no sewer that serves this site so if any development were to take place in the
future um the developer would be basically on the hook to extend the city sewer to this site uh in order to accommodate any sort of high density development and how far did did we determine how far it's
approximately I would say a quarter mile Mr valy thank you sir um Mr walls the residential that in the county north of there what is the density of that area you have any idea uh well it's
currently do it as Municipal um for whatever reason it's listed on in yellow as uh residential on the map that I'm looking at from exhibit a which is
outside C limits but it's also got a key that calls it residential Walton County yeah that is a I am not to be honest I'm not familiar with what the density is of a resident
Mr ainson do you know off top of your head what county allows got several yeah depends on which one it falls under that yellow area is he talking about the yellow area or the orange the yellow area that is outside of City Limits and what's your little map set
can you scroll whoever's doing the map can they scroll down a little bit thank you right there is it the third one it's that bright yellow right under the blue uh yes it' be the one under the institutional yeah I mean without without looking at their actual Maps I'm reluctant to offer
that right now one way or the other because they have multiple residential categories I can Hazard to guess which ones it's not but that doesn't help us um I'm just concerned about there's a lot of low density
residential around that area um it's got some proximity to to arterial connectors and and First Street is you know going to be a more important Street it is an important street now um
I just have a concern about the nature of the lands to the north which are outside the city limits but also the adjacent properties um I can see that they're not going to get a lot of opposition because there's just not much around it to be honest in terms of current development uh there is some
commercial activity south of them um and then the apartments uh so you know I understand but I I do have some concerns about putting higher densities out beyond the edges of lower density is when we should be going the opposite way
and bringing that higher density towards the core rather than through the perimeter sure with that said the availability of sewer is going to restrict them from being able to do that now the amount Council might consider the benefit that if it is a apartment complex and they need a density that
might pay for SE were to serve other residents that don't currently have it so that's not something to ignore either um but I'm just saying I do have some concerns in terms of pushing higher density Beyond lower density towards the edge of the city when we should be H higher density towards the core and not
towards the edges can can we have if we can scroll down to the zoning map exhibit a of the existing zoning I think we probably need to talk about this at the same time for completeness even though we're we having separate motions here if we take a look there so that's one of the issues that
was discussed at planning that I want the council at least take a look at and to councilman Valley's point this parcel Mr Wallace is the one that has the cross-hatching on it you see up there to the right obviously and that includes the parcels already has two different
designations um within that one square correct yeah so so we have an inconsistency the way it is broken as it is now so we do have to reconcile that yeah that is a result of the annexation this property was annexed
in uh 3 or 4 months ago I believe and as part of our ordinance whenever property is annexed into the city it automatically is assigned the highest density residential zoning uh within our
ordinance that's why the northern half of the property is R2 while the southern half remains R1 one put the southern half is already in the city is what we're pointing out correct and so because when he brought
that in he was effectively upzone under the way our code Works although the land use Amendment which we're talking about now cannot be done at the time of annexation by Statute it has to be heard through this process so it's a little bit of an internal inconsistency that
gets created in those scenarios but it is also Mr was the highest residential category consistent with the county designations correct under the zoning I believe is the way we pra uh I I don't believe that's the way it reads I I
believe it says the highest density uh residential zoning District within our ordinance okay I had the same question and concern is it the highest density in the in terms of what was there what was at the county level which
is what Mr Edinson is saying which which I what I have interpreted our code as well I I really thought we were assigning the highest density uh consistent with what the county had and then translating it into that's the historical application what I would say is that goes to your point though of
what is the County's residential designation correct it is certainly not their lowest density designation or it would not be compatible because my the reason I'm harping on that is if the density that's on the North section of the partiel is consistent with what the county has and that's what is going
beyond all we'd really be doing is correcting it what really is an inconsistency in terms of filling in between the two middle densities which is the R2 if it's lower density Beyond then we're really just creating an island and and expanding density beyond the natural edges of where it is now
into what's surrounded by agricultural Mr Wallace what was the building Department's suggestion or the building the planning board's recommendations on this they recommended approval did they get through these same questions that we we're proposing at
this time there were not a whole lot of questions asked at that meeting because I can see where it could fit or it could not fit realistically right go ahead Mr Wes how how far to
South uh does the R2 go there south of Van Avenue that whole block right there you know how far that is R2 I believe it goes all the way south to 90 really yeah okay yeah I I see that that there's
a lot of R2 around there already so while while this again we seem to be like dealing with technicalities here right where we've got these two pieces of property that are technically zoned different but just maybe from a a a larger perspective for me there's
already a lot of density around there uh so it it's not for me it's not incompatible from that perspective you've already got it literally right up the road even without sewer is it are you saying that's a medium density and it's already built up and there's no sewer
there well no I'm saying that that there's R2 already very close to it and so from from that perspective we're not we're not overly impacting that neighborhood because there's already a lot of R2 right around that neighborhood secondly I do think it's a positive that
if we approve this and something gets built that there's the possibility of extending water sewer to that development and servicing additional additional residents to me that that's the benefit that kind of pushes it over the edge for
me yeah and this is a very common problem with our sewer system especially on currently right now on bobes road and 19th Street there's a lot of interest in developing a lot of that vacant property
the the one hindrance is that there's no sewer and I met with a gentleman this afternoon regarding a a large parcel um that they would like to develop but they're trying to figure out how do we get sewer to the site so it's not uncommon to have sites that aren't
currently served by sewer they have water um but that's an upfront cost that the developer will have to uh take on and then we will receive the benefit of extended sewer and also they're going to
be on the hook for the capacity fees as well Mr Mayor yeah uh Chris hypothetically here if if the the developer or the owner
were to maximize the density here do does the current road infrastructure support that that maximum density in other words if if they were to then come to us if we were to approve tonight and then they were to come to and say great I want to I want to max out my density and I want to do a development on this
property would we the would we then be uh able to approve based on the road infrastructure and surrounding it they would be required to provide a traffic analysis okay showing daily trips um we would have to look at the uh
what kind of condition that road is in which may require additional upgrades to the road itself okay so okay that one's going to be interesting in that it's not just our properties that are going to be served our residents are going to be served by
First Street our that service is going to extend into the county and our our road is going to be the uh destination for that so all that traffic is going to flow out to 90 um from the county so we will we're gonna have more traffic there long term it's going to require upgrades
in that area is what I'm saying but but that's my point is that there there is a check and balance coming in in the form of a traffic study and a traffic analysis that we we will have to contemplate the planning board we have to contemplate before before we approve
you know a theoretical development but what mlay what what what teeth do we really have there at the end of day if they don't ask for a density increase at the time that they ask for do as long as they run their water and sewer they're going to be automatically given the
density that we approve today correct we we can't say no because the road's insufficient we might use their the revenue that we generate from those property sales to to have a you know $800 we don't have a traffic to be fear we don't have a traffic and currency
system in place in the city right now so I'm Not Gon to say you can just deny them solely for that reason but it is a factor we do have to consider yeah but it's messy okay but he just said that it would be there would be a traffic analysis done at a later point during the do process but now you're saying
not what's that give us what's that give us control our best control well we're saying the same thing but the best control that we but yes there's an analysis what's the teeth once they have the density hores out of the barn our our
best Leverage is before the density is is on the property it's when we do the changes in density that that the biggest impacts happen we're Limited in terms terms of our our denials once that's done it gets
very tricky is what I'm saying I think one of the if I could chime in here Mr Mayor um one of the things where we do have a little bit of uh teeth in this is that every project that
we see developed within the city there you have to have proper water proper sewer and a proper roadway system to access that property and I believe this Council has the right to look at those
three factors among others and either request additional improvements um accept it as presented um but it it is never my intent to bring
something to the council that I feel is insufficient that is not um going to be a a burden on the city or that would be a burden on the city so we work those things out during the Civil
Engineering Process with the developer to ensure that when this comes before the council all those things have been addressed and will be rectified if needed prior
to a certificate of O occupancy being issued for the project itself any other comments Mr may I have one Clay is this a legislative determination no it is quasi judicial in
nature so if we don't approve this there is the potential for a Bert Harris claim so the bottom line is you your your decision is based on confident substantial evidence the board is required as it sitting in
this capacity to pass this matter or deny this matter based on the evidence presented before to this point the only evidence we've heard thus far on this project is from Mr Wallace which says it is consistent with the Land Development code and comprehensive plan as such
until you hear comp substantial evidence to the contrary the board's position is to approve anything less than that would be in derogation of the law anything could subject the board to the council to litigation including hares
act claims or otherwise but the primary claim is do you have evidence to deny you have to have evidence in the record to deny at this point I'm not saying we're not going to hear that we may hear that in the next 10 minutes hear in the next 10 seconds after Mr W sits down right now the only evidence in record is
his testimony and staff report and planing commission's recommendation which all says it meets the Land Development code comprehensive plan is to be approved so again any other comments from the public that uh sworn
in and this is first reading so we will have second reading okay all in favor say I I I I I nay I Carrie thank you very much okay this is an ordinance uh number to be determined it's an ordinance adopting a small scale land
use map Amendment of the city of defc Springs Conference of plan changing the land use classifications repealing all ordinances in Conflict herewith providing for severability and conflicts providing for codification and providing for an effective
date now we will need the same motion on the res correct so move second I have motion second we're speaking of the same property this should be an easy one any any questions on the
public all in favor say i i i i i n I ask Carrie thank you very much um and unfortunately Mr agon I do not have a copy of the ordinance um would you mind I think I can make
this happen I apologize I think I can figure this one out for you so this is an ordinance ordinance adopting a zoning map Amendment to the city of Phenix Springs comprehensive plan changing the zoning map classifications repealing all ordinances
and conflict here with providing for severability conflicts providing for C codification and providing for an effective date dealing with the North First Street parcel ordinance to be numbered thank you thank you sir and of course I found it as soon as you're
reading I I hope I was close I was just trying to get a little bit of help there so to 584 yes sir this is 2025 D
ssa-4 it is Aaron win Stock's request to amend the future land use map the property is currently designated as low density residential and he is a requesting a land use change to
commercial this is for a a parcel of land that is approximately 32 acres in size located on North Highway 331 directly across from the new chelo facility the planning board did review this
request at their February meeting and they voted it unanimously to deny it Mr hackinson is appropriate can we make a motion to disapprove this why let Mr Wallace get his staff report in the record I just asking the question the motion would be to either approve
holding first reading or the motion will be to deny and if it denies it ends but we need Mr Wallace to be able to present his all time and we have to have the applicant and we do have other sworn people so it would be inappropriate to make the motion at this moment in time till you have the evidence in front of you so please let Mr Wallace and at this
time staff has recommended denial of this request it is not consistent with our comprehensive plan it's not consistent with the surrounding neighborhood and I believe that it although Mr wiin stock may have a
low uh intensity use um in mind for Now does not mean that it cannot be sold in a month and then you get anything that is allowed within that commercial District uh that would be surrounded by residential
property on three sides so Mr Mayor may I inquire cancel please oh I was just wondering what's underneath that Legend where it's white you see the gray underneath that's industrial also what we could pull the map but I think that's Southland utility that's
Cho's property out portion that's so is the piece that we're talking about the red got it yeah Mr Wallace in your professional opinion as the city's planner and therefore it's expert on this matter
does this constitute spot Zone I would in my opinion I would say that it does yes would this be categorizing a parcel of property different than its surrounding neighbors and the traditional and historical use
of the neighborhood I believe so while you still have celo across the street it is separated by a rather busy highway um I'm looking more at the properties to the north east and south that are residential in
nature rather than jumping across the highway um at a use that is more are you familiar with the city's Land Development code it's future land use maps and Zoning Maps familiar with those sir are you're
familiar with this area of the city yes sir and as part of that um is it your opinion and testimony to the council that the property lying east of US Highway 331 North differs in character from the property line to the West in
this area I would that is a correct statement yes and is that part of your analysis and consideration it it is and it was in the report yes and your recommendation to planning board was denial and is that your recommendation on both the future land use map and zoning map amendments tonight that's
correct right Mar then I think we turned it over to the appli he has an opportunity to present unless that unless anybody has any other questions from Mr W allow the applicant if he here Mr Wallace we do require a buff
buffer between differing uses don't we there would be yes I believe when it's a uh if the zoning were C2 that would have butt an R1 there is required a minimum 20 foot landscape buffer with a uh fence
and the choco property which currently is uh tree lined along the 331 area is also required to have a buffer when they develop in the future on the front there if they do they were they would have been required to provide a buffer
on their North West and Southern borders okay okay we allow them to address Council yes come on and please uh state your name if you would good evening my name is Meredith Bush um my address is 125 East in tendencia Pensacola Florida
I am an attorney at Clark Partington and an aicp certified planner I was engaged after the planning board meeting by the applicant to just come and address Council um we would differ in your
planning director's analysis and uh would submit to you that this is consistent with your comprehensive plan and Land Development code while spot zoning is a term you hear in planning it is not prohibited by law um if the zoning change could still be considered
transitional you know the size of this property is quite small it's. 32 Acres it um you know the size itself is going to constrain any major development going in there that's going to impact the neighbors uh directly across the street
is this industrial use um having a spot of commercial between the residential and Industrial could very well be determined by you to be transitional in nature therefore um an allowed zoning pattern I believe Mr Winestock is Pres
um and so he could take questions as well tell you what he intends to do with the property we do understand we can't contract Zone you we can't tell you we just plan to put a fireworks stand there um but that is the intent it's not intended to be any you know heavy commercial use it would just be a um
seasonal retail type establishment um you know always here to promote growth and development economic development in the county anytime you can take a piece of property and use it for for something you know to higher use um I think that's
good for your citizens and good for your tax roles uh so we would ask that uh you adopt the findings presented by Mr Weinstock at the planning board and determine that this is consistent you
know rather than straight out denying it if you wanted to send it back to the planning board for additional consideration we would ask that rather than a denial and happy to take any questions any questions thank you very much stop thank you uh my name is Aaron
Weinstock I'm the applicant and um again I just wanted to reiterate some of the the facts that I put into how I'm going to develop property uh it will be uh our current fireworks stand uh we've come before the council uh we're the we set
up right there in front of triangle um we're looking to just move to a more permanent basis uh to eliminate rent pay triangle and and other utilities uh there uh plus the just to deepen Our Roots within the
community uh we've been here since uh 2021 um we're currently based in nville so we're just looking to move everything up here um it's not going to be a heavy traffic uh development uh it's not going to be a huge square
footage uh the building we have proposed is only going to be uh 760 square foot uh and only open four weeks a year at the State of Florida states that we can only be open four weeks a year and I can tell you industrywide
it'll be the major traffic will be only be two days a year uh Fourth of July and New Year's Eve that's 98% of our sales uh based on current traffic counts
we have a triangle and anticipated growth uh for the company I only anticipate uh a daily increase uh for traffic in and out of the parcel of about about 12 to 14 cars
a day and it's not all at once you know they come dispersed at throughout the days uh it's not noisy um there's no you know major uh trucks coming in and out all the time uh
we're not going to be setting off fireworks anywhere near um on the property uh we're not going to be playing loud music um and I know it was brought up to me some people had concerns over fire
hazards uh specifically you know uh possibly blowing up or causing damage to other houses in the area and um I just wanted to put on the record that one there's two types of fireworks 1.3
commercial grade and 1.4 uh consumer grade um 1.3 is what the uh what the cities use for their huge fireworks displays and U
1.4 is what what to the firework you know consumer fireworks stands sell uh to Everyday People uh 1.3 is the only one that has the possibility of of blowing up um it's
heavily heavily regulated on the state local and federal level including the ATF um I would say if it was complete 800 square ft of 1.3 uh commercial fireworks
it would probably it would take out uh celo and Southland and half the city block uh but we're talking 1.4 consumer grade and if it sets on fire uh it'll present no more uh of an issue if the
house next door to another house was completely engulfed in front in in uh Flames uh some of the fireworks will go off most were actually just burn off because the intensity of the heat um so there's
no safety issues with the with the plan use um that's all I had any questions okay thank you very much yes ma'am my name is Jackie Russell excuse me our house is adjacent to the
property in question uh we're within 35 feet of the border and our concern number one and first and foremost it's a very busy Corner uh there we of a close proximity to celco and Southland businesses
there's a close proximity to two churches two schools and congestion of traffic with chelco and their businesses on the other side of the street sometimes it's difficult for us to get out of our driveway because of the traffic that's
there um if this is a business that's going to rely on having seasonal activities uh Fourth of July I visit family it could be a problem for us to get in and out of our driveway um there's a frequency of
accidents on that corner there's been two bad ones in the last seven months and there's a lot of fastmm moving traffic so that's a real consideration for us um also on a a lower note there's trash being tossed out of cars and whatnot as
they're going by so my concern would also be trash generated from the business coming out of there noise is another consideration even though that's just a small selling uh venue that would only be
selling a few times a year um there's a lot of noise there to begin with and this is just going to generate more thank you thank you did get her name right jack ma' will you say to your name
for the record Jackie Russell Jackie Russell okay yes ma' hey good afternoon my name is Tom rushing um I also own property right about four Lots North of the property um in question and just to point out the
property directly to the East behind this property is also vacant so if you make this commercial that would also make it easier for that adjacent property to come up and make it commercial and tell them what would come up in our residential
area um a couple of things that I'm the reason why I'm asking for y'all to deny the application um he stated that the business is going to bring additional tax revenue and jobs to the city if you're only open four weeks a
year is it really worth considering that um this is going to cause additional traffic backups as the previous lady said this is a very very busy highway there is accidents all the time at Oakwood Lakes Boulevard I'm sure the chief could um back that up um we don't
want the extra traffic you already have a high amount of traffic on 331 coming off of Walton Road celco and Oakwood Lakes and it's right in between that um me personally I'm worried about how this is going to affect my homeowner insurance I am having a hard time even
getting insurance I'm paying $4,000 a year now what's going to happen putting this right down the road for me um we talked about the lightning earlier okay well if you have a building full of
fireworks lightning strikes I understand he's saying that it's the same as your neighbor being on fire but that's kind of hard for me to believe especially with hco and South and across the street what else is there that's going to make a bigger fire and a bigger issue
um also I wanted to point out that Mr Weinstock has posted on Facebook previously um advertising for his business stating that um it's
not I don't have that part um sorry don't drive to Alabama for the good fireworks come to Florida firecracker company LLC for all your Joe Dirt approved fireworks so this isn't just your typical Walmart fireworks that aren't going to hit the ground these are the ones that are actually going to
expand and cause bigger issues um thank you for your time thank you anyone else Miss Bush did you have questions you want to ask of any of the audience members or of Mr Wallace I don't believe so is there anything we go to the
applicant for their rebuttal to anything they heard during public comment then goes back Mr Wallace so um just in closing I would uh point out that throughout your fine City there are instances of spot zoning uh you know we could provide addresses I believe
they're previously provided so just the fact that it's spot zoned is not a um reason to deny and um although there has been a statement that it was not consistent with the comprehensive plan and Land Development code um there's not
been any um further detail on that and um the consistency with the comprehensive plan and Land Development code can be found in a logical and orderly development pattern and so we would just ask that you support growth support uh Mr wein
stocks attempt to bring some you know Commerce into the area and approve the resoning and uh small scale Amendment thank you Mr Wallace Mr Wallace any last comments first if you would respond to our comment about development code comprehensive plan then I do have two
questions okay yeah um I mean I have reviewed our conference of plan there is language in there that that asked about is the proposed development consistent I have uh confirmed that I do
not believe that it is um I do not believe this is consistent with our zoning I understand there may be other areas of the city that appear to be spot zoned we can't change those but we can affect what happens
moving forward and the more you keep doing these types of rezonings the more justification that gives for the next applicant who comes in and says well you've done it here why can't you do it here I want to
be consistent we can't go back um I was think that there was probably nobody on this Council when those properties were zon that way um but moving forward this Council has a say in the way that
this city develops and the way that it affects our community and I think that this request is inconsistent I've been uh honest with Mr Weinstock from the beginning that I did not believe it was
consistent with our zoning and as anybody has a right to he proceeded to move forward we followed all the necessary steps with the planning board and now we're here tonight to discuss it in an open form
again and I agree with all the testimony I provided this evening go to the council for any questions I just tell a few concludes I have a question but I do have a statement that um you know we've been pursuing improvements and adding a
turn lane in that area for some time we've had fantastic response from the community every time that's come up due to the hazards that we see in that area uh and increasing uh you know potential hazards is problematic also have concerns uh I suspect Mr Wallace does as well in terms of jumping two zoning
categories from an R1 bypassing R2 straight to C1 uh and changing the character of that area um I am a professional uh in those areas as well and I agree with Mr Wallace interpretation that it is inconsistent um and with create spot zoning which are
something that we actually fight to prevent okay Mr Wallace do you believe this is the singling out of a small parcel of land for a use classification that differs from its surrounding area yes sir I do and is that for the
Benefit of Mr Weinstock uh it would be solely for the Benefit of Mr wein whether he chose to develop it or um at some point put on the market for somebody else to develop is there
any basis founded in the Public's health safety morals or general welfare of the city to apply this zoning category and Lead use change I think it would have a negative impact so the answer is no it would not be to the benefit of the city correct
and do you believe this would result in disharmony to the surrounding area I do believe that yes so with it being inconsistent with the surrounding area and benefiting the particular property owner solely would you say this creates a small island of a different use within
a larger area of uniform use and development I do agree with that yes certainly certainly to the property to the north east and south I understand chelco is across the highway um and is was it your prior testimony when you were up earlier that
everything to the West is a different development pattern than going back to the east correct yeah and based on that I'd only instruct the council that while um I don't have any reason to doubt what Mr blinck has represented to you of his intended use on the property you've heard my
admonishment on this many many times before but when we're dealing with a l use amendment in zoning map app change we are not able to say what the person saying they're going to do is right or wrong we can't they can sell it to
somebody and they're going to be able to take advantage of all those options regardless of what they do there is no contract zoning allowed there is no lend you restriction agreement being done you have to make a decision based on what the actual land use map designation zoning map designation being
proposed off so it is to the council to approve uh approve with any conditions to deny or as M Bush invited if you want to get back to the planning board for more consideration that is well within your perview as well Mr Mayor yes I make a motion to deny
second all we have a motion second is that based on the testimony presented it is thank you any questions all in favor say I I I I I I all right it's denied uh sorry
stop Miss Bush yall find accepting that denial as to both or do you want them to formally vote on the second one we accept Okay so we'll put on the record that will be a denial as to both this is only map tracks along with the small scale can we take a break it's been two hours
it been that long I was having such a good time all right we will we're going to take a short recess did you need to say anything to wrap that up no good you're good thank you all right we're going to take a about a five six minute
recess call got you just yeah put one over there one over there straight you can do one L yeah it can handle pretty up close they won't it won't it fish out like
like all that Distortion takes it out and it's much better on the light it does much better on own the microphone yeah you're good using the app be using the multicam app at that
point it's super out that it's nice to meet you AES behind G get uping War I watch it I like that
could see you you like got a motorcycle on there yeah they got they put something there I never about that's good get them out
it's not you don't never have a good day out there hey mayor I want to go home let's go I'm ready bang on that how about you Raa everything everything
everybody let's get ready all right I'm going to call this meeting back to order uh we're we are at citizen comments uh so we're going to open floor for S comments you certainly come you
get three minutes and please state your name and organization take this opportunity Tim Parson uh with Liberty partners of Tallahassee just to just to recognize the significance of the trium Gulf Coast Award that the city received a couple weeks ago yes youall know it
was a long process to get something that that that board would approve I think a lot of it was the support from the governor for the job growth Grant fund that the city uh received last year uh more or less piggybacked on that project so we were just really excited to see uh
the final funding for that to come in we think it's going to be a tremendous Economic Development boost to the area uh obviously there's a lot of a lot of jobs tied to those grants that we look forward to seeing uh come to fruition in the next several years so uh just really excited like I said to see Triumph U
approve that project you know we've been up here how many times talking about you know lack of projects being awarded in Walton County um luckily we've seen a handful award Ed this last year to put Walton County closer to where they need to be with regards to that funding so
again really proud of of all the work that went into that that project and those applications so tell your team we greatly appreciate all the work they've all done yes sir thank youall thank you anyone else public
comment JB Hill resident func uh I just want to thank you off of the action took tonight on the senior center uh it surprised me but a pleasant surprise is you have now a three-year contract and that's going to provide a level of stability we haven't had we
don't have to go through this reg road every year so we do appreciate that um we had a a good group today another potluck lunch and uh of course several people asked me what was going on the city manager sent out a email last week
to the members and which is very much appreciated to tell everybody what was going on and what to expect and he talked about the meeting tonight in the county tomorrow and then Wednesday he will be informing the members uh the next in the process
so thank you again and we look forward to working with you Kobe when you I expect things to be back in normal around there so the agreement is to take place on March 15 um we have advertised the two positions that serve the center
under the city um so we are collecting those applications if it is we approved it if the county was to approve it tomorrow we would move forward with those in relatively fast manner um and then we'll work with Tri County to get the funds moved and the county in terms
of the communication email everything they have we worked we'll give all that back to them we have no need for that we have our own they're good with that and so um hopefully that by the end of that week or first of the next week we should be completely transitioned over be the goal awesome thank you very much anyone
else public comment come on Gary you can get up if cont all right we're gonna close the floor for public comment and we will move on to miss uh clay you got anything no sir to miss heavin on the uh CRA
appointment yes um we have an opening on the CRA board and I brought an appointment uh Mr Rob Hamilton who's here in the audience thank you rob um he's a local Family Man a local business owner an advocate of our city and its development and many of us might know
his wife Gabby who represents uh the chamber so that is my recommended appointment and I'm hoping you could all uh support that will you make that a motion I make that a motion second I have a motion and a second any questions um yeah what happened to the Lenny
Hatcher was on the what happened to her she sent a resignation letter uh last Friday oh and I think it had to do with um uh what happened with the CRA and US wanting to take it back and uh she she said I think she put one sentence in
there of no communication from me but you know I'm kind of a little bit iffy so if it comes before us which what do I do what do I not discuss so uh I think it was just some miscommunication and I want to thank Miss Lenny for all of her
uh I think she stayed on there for eight months so she chose not not to stay on there and I think there was a little bit of it was a surprised because she was doing a good job and it takes a while to get your feet under you and learn what's going on uh so I really hate to lose you
know good people it took a while to find someone to fill uh the spot I was trying to fill I know how the difficult that can be uh I remember when Miss Hatcher was put on there um it was put on the same day as the meeting was uh which happened again today uh fortunately I know Mr
uh Hamilton so Rob Rob's a great choice and I completely support him um I really regret that the public doesn't have a chance to you know comment on it because it's still not on the agenda in terms of their name because it was only sent out as an email um again I fully
support Rob D's position I actually considered him for that spot as well I thought he'd be a great fit um you know but I really think it's important for the public to have the opportunity to comment on agenda items um I didn't oppose was putting it on the agenda um but do you want to go on the record on that we are a professional board and
things should be put on the agenda properly all right any other comments from anyone all in favor say I hi hi hi I I I Carrie welcome welcome AB boy Rob all
right all right we're going to go to councilman Valley on 9 be one thank you your honor well uh I've been holding on to an item for a long time uh you know since we lost Mr renis uh from this
Council um you know there there's been a hole in terms of you know the massive amount experience that was brought to this city and this Council uh in the time that he served which is a substantial amount of time um and I've been holding on to it because I've been really hoping they would be able to finish the terminal and get out to the
airport and actually you know do something that I've been wanting to do uh you know since his passing and what I'm uh seeking is to recognize you know a lifetime of service from Mr Enis Mr Henry d as many y'all would refer to him
uh Henry D Enis uh by commemorating his service to this County this city and this nation uh in naming either the terminal or uh the field the airport itself after Mr Enis I like the idea
aidea of the airport um there is the possibility that you know we could have naming conventions issues uh in the future that could threaten the longevity of that uh and so the terminal is something we have more control over and so that's why I actually have two items on there but at the end of day what I
really what stuck with me from day one and what really uh felt right was you know Pilots calling in and what you acknowledge over the radio and in addition to the call letters for the airport was you know NIS field uh you know welcome to Enis field uh welcome to
func Springs and when it comes to a lifetime of service uh I think that a recognition that uh that is appropriate is one that matches the importance of that service and so what I'd like to say is just kind of go over some of that experience and some of that service that
Mr renis has provided so from 1950 to 1954 he served the United States Air Force during the Korean conflict later he came back and was brought back to Service uh in Alabama National Guard from 61 to 62 as a tank commander in law enforcement he th he served for 32 years
at the wton County Sheriff's Office where he was the chief bis uh baith and the court security officer assigned to the courthouse he also established a sheriff's reserved and attained rank of Captain in those 32 years for the city proper he served 17 years and he passed
away while in office uh as this as a member of this Council where he also served as the mayor protm during his different periods he served on the plan planning board for just shy of 20 years as they plac it in the uh notice it was 19 years and 10 months and uh served as the tank Springs
Housing Authority past chairman Walton County Fair Association past director West Florida Regional planning Council where he served at the time of his passing he served on our TPO board and actually was a vice chair as one point wton County Council of Aging board
member he was appointed by the governor of Florida the pi Council the three County area Council of 36 which is our original Economic Development uh Council he was a founding member of that he also served as D Springs downtown Merchants Association where he helped organize
Association and served as a chairman locally he was member of kowana for over 50 years uh past president past secretary active member of Gideon International and then Al you had a business of his own during all that time so when you look at a a resume like that
you look at the numbers the years of service that is truly a lifetime of service a lifetime of dedication to his family his wife uh and we do have some family here now before I I did bring this forward you know I I I had some concerns I had some concerns about
stepping on the toes of some of the folks that were actually founding members at that airport we do have families that you know were actually out there from the day one when it was a dirt field and they're just borrowing equipment from the county and the city to move around dirt and to you know get
the dump out of the way and and uh and get some planes landing um so I did reach out to uh a very close uh family friend uh Mr Tim Kirby uh who is here uh to make sure that we weren't stepping on any toes in terms of some of those
founding families and Mr Kirby was very much in support even though you know his dad is equally uh worthy of that recognition um you know he thought that you know he he really liked the idea of flying in the Enis field um and if he
has anything to say I will defer we also have some family members here in that uh you know Miss mine's you know she didn't get around quite as much as she used to and sunny you know just had some some surgery and Linda's got her hands full as well so uh you know they couldn't all make it but we do have some folks here
if if they feel like they want to say something I'm fine with that but the family does Express their support um I know sunny and Linda you know were very honored by that and miss Nine is exactly as you would expect it's like you know no whatever you know just y'all y'all do
whatever you want to do I I'm I'm fine whatever the kids want but uh I would have done this before but I was really trying to do this closer to when the airport was going to open because I really wanted to make that part of that opening ceremony since the fire chief has been out there and done initial
inspections we know that they're close to that CEO and I really expect it uh any day now and I really didn't want to delay any further so uh with all that said you know respectfully um you would request and I would make the motion uh and we can discuss you know details as
we go uh in recognition of a a lifetime of service request of the council name uh Dunc Springs Airport Henry D NS field i' second it thank you questions comments just point of clarification are
we gonna are we going to call it inis field or we going to call it Henry D inis field in his field kind of rolls off the tongue a little better and I think I think they really uh I think it's going to get abbreviated I think Tim could probably help with this because he actually is in a professional in the aviation field and he could
provide a little bit of guidance on that um Tim do you do you have a comment on that at all can you give us a little bit of help come please and and for the clerk's sake please just say personally I think when you come into the airport of course it's 54j I've got my license there 40 years ago um can't hear yeah
can you hear now um from my standpoint as the pilot be the NIS field has a great Ring to it um we all refer it to 54 Jade in the pilot world but inis field has a nice ring Henry D he's Henry D but inis Phi
has a nice one so that's my suggestion and to caveat of what he said my dad started the airport and actually in the winter time excuse me the uh January 1958 he was one of the very first folks that actually was a
chairman aboard the junior JC's out there that actually reconstituted the the runway out there they took a bunch of bulldozers and a matter of fact I provided you some information on that so him John Frank Bloodworth Paul um um telon the whole group of our founding
fathers here at this city actually started that airport back then um in 1958 they started that the reconstitution and then that following within a month or so July the 13th they had the first air show here and that's how they generated funds for this
Airport uh they had a thing called my dad said penny for pound rides and so what you did if you weighed 95 pounds you put 95 cents and that you got a free ride around the airport so that's how the kids and the and the the young people actually started to fly they they flew
For the Love of Aviation not for the money or not for the you know the Destin or the beaches or anything like that so you know and then after that matter of fact the following year was a they had over 4,000 people at the first ever the second annual Air Show at the at the def
X Springs Airport matter of fact I've got video from the very first air show um back in 1958 I found and and I can provide that to y'all also but I think going through the process of seeing how the airport's developed over the years and learning how to fly there you know
um matter of fact he approached me on that and I said um you know yes it'd be nice to have my dad's name there but also Henry deanis was my next neighbor for 58 years he's my second dad so to me it's an honor to have have either one of My Two Dads being represented of that
Airfield so that's my take on the airport but one thing I would like to recommend also is I know that you had mentioned this is I work in a squad EG Air Force Base and we have what they call a Heritage room it's where most of the lieutenants come in there they walk in there you know the first thing they do is they get the popcorn jalapeno
popcorn and they sit there and walk around look at everything most Pilots when they land here their legs are Tire they land they want to get some free popcorn get a gatorade bottle and just stretch her legs but I think it'd be really nice somewhere in the FBO the new Foo if it was to start a Heritage room
so you can actually capture the the Founding Father of the airport and the people that dedicated that you know like the t33 that's sitting out there my dad is actually there's some there's some there's some pictures that my dad provided matter of fact that's in the current FBO over there of when they
dedicated that in 1961 they acquired it from Meg Air Force Base and Civil Air Patrol and then so you had the silver Air Patrol dedicating that um I think John Frank Bloodworth was in the picture matter of fact one of their founding fathers there so it a Heritage room would actually give people an
opportunity even having a wall sitting up there with some few story boards and I don't mind helping out any which way I can because I do have a lot of history of that but so the people when they walk in there they can say Hey you know oh wow I didn't know it Go by that far oh wow here's some pictures of some airplanes back then stuff along that lines pilot eats that up and to me it
would just be a better way to show our community of you know the history but far as in his field I fully Su that so so I'll modify my motion to adjust that to NIS field as stated can I just say thank you for the
history lesson but I didn't catch your name who is your dad my dad's name was Tom Kirby Kirby he's U he's matter of fact I provided some articles to him um I went and did some research in the defc springs paper sat up there Page by Page it's not even the microfish and actually
looked at back then they actually had every week in the defc pral back in starting in 1958 they had a thing called The Hanger hanger talk and so they'll give the current updates of you know what's happening and everything else so it was kind of neat watching that actually going to the courthouse on my
spare of time going through there Page by page for for years so I have all those good things I more that have to donate or actually help do something about that so that is part of our history and we can't never deny that that's right thank you so much no problem and um I just want to make sure
that we do it clean U you had the second in my second nvi um what I wanted to say is the other part of that was that we do have other ways to commemorate people at the Airfield some of that is conference rooms if we've got that video I'd love
that to be rolling on that TV in there 247 identifying what it is and the people involved and any other videos from other air shows that we've had over the years I think it's a wonderful uh tribute to the people that built this community a wonderful tribute uh to the people that built that airport and the
wonderful ful uh contributions of every citizen uh should be recognized especially when they're you know put out there in such a a big way um again um we've got ways to do that I had spoken to Kobe uh a couple months back about making sure that we capture that
memorabilia and make sure it doesn't get damaged and then we transfer it over but trying to define a room where that's going to be I would really love that be in place or at least identified where it's going to go when we open but again that's that really needs to be a airport director you know City man and Council
conversation um because at day you can start to monetize some of the naming on some things but again I'd rather see a start with commemorating the people that actually put it together you know for free in a lot of cases uh and then we
can talk about you know the other things that that could be monetized in terms of naming conference rooms you know for corporate sponsors and and and hangers and stuff like that but I think we start with the people that had their feet on the ground did it for passion and love of the city
uh and a passion and love of Aviation all right we have a motion second any other questions or comments my name is Heather Marshall and I was Henry ennis's granddaughter I am Henry ennis's granddaughter and he would be very honored um to say the least my
grandfather was a servant of this community he loved it he loved the fiac springs and he loved being on the city council so thank you guys thank you thank you okay all
right anyone else all in favor to say i i i i i i as Carrie inis Phil all right let's go number two um thank you your honor and uh I'll say if y'all can stick around later we
we'll take a picture um that'd be great uh the next item uh so on East live o uh when people come off of 331 you're kind of in a rush that first Bend uh kind of slows you down a little bit but once you hit the other stretch it flattens out before you get to the stop
sign uh near the church and it does go fast I had residents approach me uh several of them had gotten together to conspire against me to to have a conversation and so they wanted to speed bump um I said no we don't do speed
bumps um they're bad for the city uh trucks they're bad for garbage trucks they're bad for our cars they're bad for the Marshall and and the chief the fire chief absolutely hates them uh so we hate that but we can have a conversation and at least bring to the council the
idea of a four-way stop sign uh which would be at uh 12th Street that street has a short leg that goes to the north before it turns along the railroad tracks uh we don't get a lot of movement through there uh we do have some activity for folks coming up to lioke to
get out the 3:31 or to go downtown uh but the request is for a four-way stop sign at the intersection of 12th and live o uh and I make that a motion second I have a motion second we do have at least one resident
here of you know a lot of the folks are older at work um but if you want to hear a comment from anyone we do have one resident here I know personally I would rather not see that happen but uh and of course I know that um this may we may
get requests all over the city for four-way stops I've got one more and there's a reason for that uh now Lio well that's the reason for everything I mean sure is it a good that's a reason why people like me don't
want to stop one more time you know but uh I will say that folks are using live o as a bypass to 331 the traffic is designed to be on 331 and and live o is supposed to be a community Street it is an important
Community Street and so I expected to have more traffic but it I think it has more trips than uh than the uh East 90 or at least it's comparable I mean it it gets it gets way more cars than anyone
thinks it's at least 1,500 daily trips at least um and you know weekends it gets a lot of activity we've got children in the house on the corner there we've got children next to that we've got grandchildren in the house next to that we got children across the street from that it's a lot of kids um
and we're and we're getting younger families moving into our community all time uh so again this one is a busy street but when it straightens out on that leg uh everyone's in a hurry because everyone wants to go through there and if it actually discourages some traffic through there I think that's a good thing any comments
question all in favor to say I I do I didn't see um it it is a major route away from the center of town and from anything going on in the lakeyard library traffic or whatever this stops sign this four-way
intersection would be one block from 11th and live o which is a short stop and um there's there virtually no traffic on the North Leg of this of the street of 12th Street because it goes
and curves right at the the uh railroad track and goes to the water tower back out to 11th Street so we're looking um I don't know it's just it just at at different times I like to see traffic
flow from the center of of town where all the activity is and and and move on um if if speeding is a problem we you know there's ways to address speeding uh without necessarily stop I would hate to see that four-way stop
after an event um downtown um so it's just I'm kind of like the mayor I guess when you get our age you're just you want you're in a hurry to get where you want to go not speeding but you know stopping and just all these stops um it's it's it's really
stagnates traffic um and I just think we could uh maybe look at other ways to possibly slow traffic down I'm not in favor of speed bumps um but um they're just they're just hard on vehicles and and and
everything else but um anyway I would just hate to see it slow the flow of traffic away from the center of town it it is a r i mean if you're leaving downtown for example and you want to get to 331 well you have no choice but to go out on 990 and fight
all that right to turn left on 331 South or you go lioke right from downtown you go to Circle or whatever and turn or turn on 11th and go live o so it is a route to 331 that kind of needs to flow in my opinion but anyway any want
it all them papor say I uh n i I I nay I car turn my brakes out
okay please don't burn your brakes out on live you're going too fast yeah well I go down there a lot so I'll be stopping a lot at least twice anyway okay uh we are on number three Tony uh
thank you your honor uh so uh this one uh one of our well our state senator has uh put forward a bill uh looking to repeal the legislation that uh changed the def how the uh counties could or
could not uh impose uh restrictions or establishment of customary use along the beaches um you know a lot of our residents work on the south end where there be construction house cleaning uh in uh in
rental properties own rental properties uh and so or on retail businesses associated with tourism uh tourism has had to struggle with the changes in customary use in terms of the restriction on be beach access due to uh
the expansion of private areas along the beach this bill would not fix all that uh and so um you know I don't want anyone to think that the bill that the uh Senate and the legislature are passing would fix all the problems that
we have but it would limit any future uh expansion into you know claimants or or participants that haven't established a private claim on the beach so you know again this is another case of the horse
being out of the barn uh and it is really a more of a show of support for the idea than it is an actual change in in any meaningful way um however you know we we do have great support from uh
Senator Trumble uh and I'm asking and make a motion uh requesting the council to authorize the mayor to sign a liser of support for passage of SB 1622 and HB 6043 during the 25 legislative session and direct the city lobbyist to speak in
support of both bills when they are heard in the legislative committees second all right motion second go ahead I'm a strong advocate for public beaches and I fully support the county um efforts to acquire additional beach properties for the enjoyment of our
residents and our tourists but as we all know out of an abundance of caution I recommend we wait to review the language that emerges because this has to First go through three committees in the house and three committees in the Senate and it's important to recognize that the final language of that bills likely
going to differ significantly from the original form as it sits today so by taking a measured approach we can ensure that any legislative action that aligns with our community's best interest and preserves the accessibility and enjoyment of our cherished Public
public beaches so I think it's too premature so the County Commissioners will be hearing this tomorrow and they are proposing to support Senator trumble's Bill as it is written I don't have to pull it up actually uh I don't have to read it off of anything because
the bill is very simple re repeal the bill that was done before that created such a disaster on our beaches and restricted our access to around beaches so um it seems pretty short and uh simple
so I actually would would you know remain in favor of supporting the current bill and if it changes substantially it probably go away entirely um rather than being modified and we have our lobbyist uh or at least Tim here can speak to that and again
it's not a resolution it is not a drastic um you know measure all it is letter support uh and to allow them to speak in favor of repealing the bill that caused all these issues just so everybody's aware the
original author of that bill back in the day that CA the county to spend already $8 million in lawsuits is sits on two with those committees that are going to evaluate how this goes and how the language changes so I'm again I would
caution us to be careful because it is the language is going to change significantly so even though it might say repeal now it's going to significantly change okay um okay well I'm not here to debate you I'm just
sharing my opinion I'll be glad sign than all right any other comments questions yes sir come on my name's John Dillard I'm a slow Southern voice of three minutes maybe too
much I thought you were gonna say too little the the bill itself is extremely short it says a bill to be entitled an act relating to recreational customer use of beaches relating to it gives a code section relating to the
establishment of recreational customer use of beaches providing an effective date and what it does is it say section 163.05 A Forida statute is repealed it's short you don't get much
shorter than that other than Jesus wept yeah um we moved here from Atlant and my wife and I did hoping to enjoy a a quieter time and what we found on the beaches after a while was it wasn't quiet quite
honestly affects my wife and I very little but when I see something wrong in a community it hurts my heart whether it's homelessness hunger greed uh it just really hurts my
heart uh I'm in this solely to try to restore what has always been Florida's goal being a tourism leader it's it's dampening tourism it's dampening
businesses uh I have two clients in the1 to5 million range and both of their sales are down I'm a CPA by trade uh sales are down rentals are down there there's odds in the community we are letting the 1% of our
community and talking about defunc or Walton County separately I'm talking about America 13 states predominately vacation here providing over 67% of the tourists that come to Walton County so I'm talking about 13 states are being
unduly punished because of a few people on a beach got one of the Senators Pasad demo to sponsor a bill that singled out one County and it assassinated one County
this will not fix it this is a start it's a big emotional encouragement uh I plan to approach the Florida chamber of commerce I plan to approach Freeport uh I've been in contact with
all the Florida senators and governors as uh well as Governors senators and legislators as well as Governor Ronda Santos and I've also written as lovely wife I've invited them here to walk on our beach be and to see that our beaches are not
free we live in a free country we need to stay free and be free I yield my 10 seconds thank you very much anyone else all right we do have a motion on the floor
yes sir okay all in favor say I hi hi hi hi nay I Carrie thank you very much thank you all right you going to the floorida power and L yes sir thank you your honor so uh here we are again Florida Power
and Light we've had this conversation before it was polls it was I'll hurry it was polls it was rate increases it bills uh I'll do the abridge version uh I am going to make a motion requesting the council to authorize a marri to sign a letter of to the Public Service
Commission the Florida Public Service Commission in opposition to proposed rate increases by FP an do the impacts on our residents and businesses so move Mak the motion so you need a second so um what what's being proposed is
11.9 uh guarantee profit on Equity Stakes that's hard pill to swallow uh they were at 10% 140% 140 basis point increases y got a football game 140 Point base uh increase and uh really
here we are paying for for everybody else's problems all over again so again uh our our citizens pay enough uh we're trying to solve our water rate issues we're trying to solve our sewer issues we're trying to solve a lot of uh needs that we have in terms of sidewalks and
everything else this is just another bill that people are having to pay and and I I think it's a a bridge too far this time all right so we have a motion in a second right and I got plenty of ink for another
T so uh any other questions comments who else we make happy today all right all in favor say all hi hi hi I K thank you very much all right all right now we're going to Southern
rail sorry sorry got one more yeah all right so y'all get excited about Amtrak you like Amtrak you like the idea of a two and a half to$ three and a. half million dollar of business Revenue every time they put in a stop in a small town of our size I get excited about that I
think the business downtown should be excited about that amen and I think a lot of people that have to travel and have limited access to to vehicles and you can't drive anymore you age out you like the idea well the F we've already agreed that we were pursuing that and the mayor's already done a letter of
support for Amtrak and actually for a very similar issue but because Pensacola is on board because mobile uh to New Orleans is finally they weren't well they're not but it's I mean know what I'm saying is p Co was not they were not but yeah they finally are um but DC
Reeves Mayor DC Reeves has been very strong advocate of this and has been very uh generous and kind with the city defun Springs and including us uh but the first step that we were missing was they were willing to do the $10,000 to
join but what was missing was you know getting the legislature to to push it forward and then the governor signing it so I am making a motion requesting the council to authorize the mayor to sign a resolution in support for passage of SB
966 and HB 833 during the 2025 legislative session and direct City lobbyists to speak in support of both bills when they are heard in the legislative committees second thank you I do want to comment real quick go ahead it was uh councilman mcnight that
actually took the initiative and actually showed up to a southern rail commission meeting and was unfortunately turned away at the door because Florida was not a member of the Southern rail commission so there there's been advocacy uh going back a long time and and again I I still chuckle in hats off
to council M night for for showing the initiative and showing up at their doorstep unfortunately he was turned away because he wasn't a golden member but uh hopefully we can Rectify that through through support of this I will briefly add I'll be brief I promise the
uh the importance of the Southern rail commission is that they actually provide uh real tangible support to the applicants they help with the applications they help with identifying design standards uh needs uh they help you get on the list uh and that's very
important especially uh being a small municipality we can we're going to need all the help we can get in terms of our portion of it so we can make a solid argument for it to be at our old Depot now they used to weren't quite so mean
Lord I don't know how many years ago that was I went over to New Orleans and met with them and they were welcome to Open Arms me and there's only one other mayor mayor marks of tah Hass and uh we we we were received gladly with the
southern ra where am tr was there and at that time it was still CSX who owned the rail and uh was it f the federal rail Association or commission and so in anyway and so we
it was rolling well and I will say one one good thing about Senator Nelson I can't say anything else but about his effort to get the Amtrak in here was relentless and we we were doing pretty well for a year or two you know as you
well know they came through here and did a an inspection run and uh and I couldn't get them to stop in the FC but I got them to stop to about a two or three M hour run and went through here very very slowly while everybody hooped and hollered and
they were very impressed with the FC because there must this was in the middle of the morning a work day you know and there was at least 300 people in the downtown area and scattered all along so it was a it was a big deal and uh but anyway the momentum just kind of
fell and Pensacola was not helping us at all and I thank God Tony sort of picked up on this again and I thank God for what Bob did mcnight but uh man I I I would love to see this this is how was birthed by the
railroad and I'd love to see us to see that you know connection again other than what we don't even have what three two two trains a day come through here used to is every two hours every two hours had a train come through it's
picking up it's picking up more but anyway um any other comments we did Vote or no all in favor say I I I I I I I scary thank you very much now we'll go to Mr
beerbom with the budget Workshop I I will be brief um so if you recall originally my my motion several years ago was to um have the council start thinking about projects in March so that it would give uh the employees time to
go out and actually gather data and actual true cost estimates so that when we got to the budget cycle and we got to the budget meetings we would have actual hard numbers so that was the intent of the original motion unfortunately I been called away to close down the data
center in California uh and so I will not be available at the end of the month for the meeting at the end of the month and so I would like to move the meeting where we would discuss have this this discussion about the budget and budget items to either the first or second um
meeting in April so that is my motion second okay have motion second uh who will be included in that that you represent the whole Force you gonna bring him out no it'll be it'll be like we did last year it'll just it'll be me
we'll talk to it and the purp staff will be here if we need any questions but I think we can any questions comments anyone all in favor say I all right all hi hi Carrie thank you very much and
Kobe any comments oh yes sir M on sprinter's high you even know what that is your wife watching oh yeah she is she'll send me a text in a minute uh so first the Hydra service they have come out um they have completed work for Wells 56 and 10
they're waiting on some opponents to come in for Wells 1 and three those should hopefully be in this week speaking of Kyle they should have that all that up and running next week and by the time when they do that then we'll have appropriate training from Hydra service for our wells the terminal update I spoke to Cliff today he will
have someone here at our next meeting to give an update on that speaking of today he he's around the twoe mark they're they're finishing out some of the smaller stuff right now so we will have someone here at our next meeting uh the T Hall of Brotherhood I did meet with one contractor on site last week uh hopefully we'll get a bid from them I've
reached out to two others waiting to I spoke to them they're supposed to call me back they have not I will reach out to them one more time um and see but hopefully we can get some quotes on the building and bring that before youall uh number four just a quick update on some bids that we have out uh the first one
is the 280b utilities um that bid is due March 13th the second one is a library repairs that bid is due March 18th the LDC we have set the interview date for March 27th to review those firms and interview and then the effluent line we
do have that out uh and it is due April 14th and then and fifth is just reminder tomorrow workshop at four o'clock um to discuss tourism all right uh we'll go to Mr har um Main
Street had a clean up downtown last Thursday right Thursday it was I thought they said they had over uh 40 volunteers down there there were two youth groups down there probably two dozen kids uh half of those wearing TRS uh uh pageant
girls and what have you but they worked so hard they uh replanted flowers cleaned the streets sprayed weeds blew off the streets dirtied up a lot of cars in the process but but it looks really good and uh that's the kind of thing
that Main Street gives back and I know we give them money but they they definitely pull together and and help us out with that downtown so they did a wonderful job um tobac free park signs are are are being put up they might be finished I don't know I've seen some around but uh but they're making
progress uh in the Parks and they look great and and uh mayor next time that slow that train slow rolls through here with that Amtrak Bunch on it I'll pop some kettle corn and they they'll stop they'll stop in theia
right thank you g uh the planting is downtown and and don't forget the tree and beautification board was part of that as well so it it's it looks fantastic it's very exciting I'm glad glad we had some rain uh to help out with them to establish and the Little League uh parade and opening day was was
a blast uh that was that was an all day event the weather held off thankfully it looked like rain but it I mean humid but it was it was good it was a good day so uh um you know kudos to them but that is all I have for you today all right none
sir nothing the same yeah I just I'm kind of curious uh Kobe I think you might have just said that about uh Cliff but you know before the holidays we met and the airport was supposed to be done by the end of January here it is March
whatever close to the 15th and I think we need to reevaluate what what is the issue because I'm not very happy about I wasn't happy then but I thought you know what I'll give them the benefit of the doubt uh but I think we need to address this
so is that something you can put on the next agenda either under all of us I'll have it under me Al I did spe Cliff day I did express that to him uh you know how he got to this point in the council back in January so he's aware and he should have someone here U and hopefully he will have the owner of ddb
here and then would you please make arrangements so that I could go out there and see for my own eyes this week with some of the staff or whatever yeah absolutely just get with us and Andre will assist I got two more things uh clay one of these is for you um last year we were in the budget cycle and we
wanted to to discuss maybe taking back some of the C money and this year it's going to be significant so how much time do we need because I want to make sure that it gets on the agenda plenty of time to discuss again starting this March Workshop is what I would say that well now we just moved it to April so
are you gonna have enough time if we want to a April gives us enough time we got to have a 90-day notice so we just need to do it before our first trim noes go out so April count right the county and the C well no this is our choice we
reduce it the counties goes down automatically okay all right so you're saying we'll have enough time yes and then yeah April gives us till July it would be now look we'd be a different smaller in June thank you and then KOB what's the possibility that we can
provide city employees what what is the possibility I've gotten a letter or an email uh do we give our employees discounts on our rental facilities because they went outside of this County to rent a facility that was cheaper in the
neighboring County than renting their our own here they wanted to do it here but they couldn't they were not eligible for a discount like we give not for profits what is our So currently we do not so we had we did have an employee who asked here recently I spoke to Mr
ainson about it uh our policy and our rental agreement does not specify that uh we're currently working on looking at bringing back uh some resolution related to rentals not we were not talking about that specifically we were looking at the Times uh but we can bring that back if
that's on the council would like to see but we currently do not offer just don't think we can we offer I we offer a lot to our employees but I think this is something that's not really gonna impact us significantly in allowing them a discount that we would offer a not
for-profit the same discount so if if you wouldn't mind evaluating that to see um and how many do we have that really would utilize that it's to how cheap you benefit thank
you all right um okay I think that does it we're gonna adjourn and then Mr kby you and the N family will come up and get this me