##VIDEO ID:Qo62D2pBaOg## um we'll do it after the gr after that late it all right okay all right let's uh call this immediately say a little prayer real quick and then we'll say the Lord God please help guide this group to to great things for defc Springs and we uh look for your guidance and wisdom and thank you for all your many blessings in Jesus Christ name we pray amen amen to the flag of the United States of America and to the rep for it stands indivisible andice for all okay thank you'all for coming um get to introduce uh brute Campbell work new board member we're uh excited to have brute um know I'm sure everybody in the room probably knows brute but uh but if you would just tell everybody a little bit about yourself uh we'd appreciate it yeah uh born and raised here uh my mom said I could live anywhere in the world as long as it was in defc uh went to school came back started practicing law and started with you on Main Street you on the the revisions to the what was that Charter and dropped off some board so now I have availability and happy to help awes we're happy to have you and our condolences to your father your father and um but we're just excited to have you on this board so thank you all right well uh moving on we'll go to the financial report y good evening commissioners of the public so in front of you is the financial uh detail report since October one of this last year nothing notable to really report since our last meeting okay all right does anybody make a motion to accept motion second okay a motion second any discussion not then all in peray say I I oppose say nay okay motion carries 40 all right thank you moving on to the growth and development tracking sheet as you'll note in there we have awarded at least according to this document seven I have in fact received two since uh this particular sheet was printed uh for a total of nine so far uh this fiscal year with those two new grand Awards I think we're going to be just uh over 25,000 Plus plus or minus so getting a lot of interest in it uh interestingly a lot of interest for assistance with tree removal that seems to be a big item a very expensive item one that you wouldn't think uh would be but it is in fact especially with a larger tree so um good good interest in the program and and certainly a lot of growth it looks like do we have any of the roofs yet none nobody for the roof no you know I receed a lot of phone calls uh albeit most of the phone calls originate outside of the city limits uh which is kind of interesting to me but have not had any apply nor have I turned anyone away uh from those so that's we you think it would help to have some kind of campaign where we send out letters to the people in the city yeah so we're going to uh to run an advertisement in the paper next week uh to to advertise those and you know we continue to advertise on on Facebook I think the word is getting out um it's just maybe people aren't at a place place where they want to take advantage of it or or may not you know be willing to take advantage of it but but certainly you know I'm willing to do whatever is necessary to get the word out and and hopefully we'll get some traction through these um these these advertisements on because they do not have to come out of pocket on this one this is they do not there is a lean requirement though you know and I know that's that's always a concern uh when you put a lean on someone's property but but no it's 100% funded by the CRA uh there is the income you know requirement that they must meet but other than that that's pretty much has to be homesteaded what's that income figure it's 50% of the County's Ami so it's you know scaled based on the numbers uh you know in the household I want to say that that's around 40 something thousand uh at 50% I think it's 30 36 and some change for a single member of the household and then obviously the more household members you have the higher that number goes all right any other questions all right so I do have uh one request we have um the new owners of bogy who has applied for our commercial site and building Improvement grant that unfortunately is outside of my authority to award so they're here today to ask for special consideration request for that building at 660 Balin Avenue they have a prior commitment that they would like to meet so I would request that we that we move that item up to the the beginning of of our agenda do we need to motion to do that prob um I make a motion we move item seven to now second all right um we're Motion in second to move item 7A uh right below 4 a all in say I I I all oppos say a motion carries 4 okay all right so as you all may be aware uh Bogies as is Formerly Known at 660 Ballin Avenue was recently acquired the new owners are in the process of making some Renovations in process of doing that uh they discovered that there were some flooring issues uh that were discovered when the old flooring was was pulled up they reached out to me uh and inquired about the commercial site building Improvement Grant we went and met on site and identified some of the improvements that they wanted to make uh most of their improvements that are in immediate need right now are on the inside of the the building unfortunately the way that our criteria is is written here I'm not allowed to make those awards for interior improvements but through our special consideration criteria uh the applicant can come to this board and the board can certainly consider that and and make an award up to 15,000 as a 50% reimburse of a match so the new owners are here tonight um and are prepared to address the board with kind of their request in your packet you'll find that application in a lot of photographs uh that show that condition unfortunately there I think a few different generations of FL covering underneath what was there when they bought it um some of which was in pretty bad shape so um at this time they're here to answer any questions uh that you may have regarding this application so we do have the authorities do interior you you do through the special consideration criteria on the matching GRS that's correct yep and if you want to reference that page four of the application here in your packet uh will cite that special consideration criteria and I'll just summarize it it basically says that um interior improvements required to reconfigure a property for a new business may be eligible but only upon C approval so that is one of the qualifying conditions the intent with that was to provide opportunities where new business business would be uh opening or operating to allow for some flexibility to incentivize um that that business what are these IRS letters I'm not exactly sure let's see here this is part of the application this is this is establishing their employee identification number is what that is okay they're required to provide that uh with the W9 if they were to be awarded for tax purp got it's a reimbursement right a reimbursement a 50% reimbursement match that's right y so our money would be last in that's exactly right after they' made the improvements they've paid the contractor we would then reimburse them for the amount that we agreed upon at time of application have we already G have we is this we have not already um given them a grant we have not okay so this is not the same thing as is going above the $5,000 maximum and asking for extra money this is just you're you're coming to us because it's interior that's correct yep the only way that I could approve this or it could be approved rather is through the special consideration criteria that requires a board to review and make that approval but the standard grants we could is an exterior grant that would be up to 15,000 right both so as a as a standard uh Grant award I am allowed to award up to 5,000 as a 50% reimbursal match however the applicant can then come to the board like we did with the one over on Maine and say hey I need additional funding can you help me above and beyond what Josh is willing to approve the special consideration criteria is for both um applications in that sense in this particular case because they are interior improvements I cannot make the $5,000 Grant award at all that has to come to you for the special consideration criter this one's for 10 or is it for five it's it's actually up 15 based on square footage up to 15 as a 50% reimbursal so if we approve this tonight they can go as high as 15 that's correct okay that is correct um so can we get them up here to talk about what they're proposing to do because definitely some of these pictures show these original floors it would be nice to know if they're trying to preserve those or they're trying to what they're trying to do Hi how are you you hello um I wrote a statement and I can read that so you have a better idea of what our intent is if you'd like and then we can go to questions after that that makes can we first ask for the record please you yes my name is Kelly Meisner this is my husband Todd Meisner we're the new owners of the old Bogies um we are very excited of course to open that restaurant um hopefully in the beginning of March uh before we close on the property of course we created a budget for the required items to bring the um that was on the inspection report to bring the building up to date and to code um this includes four new HVAC systems uh new electrical panels paint flooring kitchen equipment and of course um some other projects we wanted to replace the siding with brick and um expose those exterior windows on Sixth Avenue um during the initial demo phase and tearing out the carpet in the building we exposed the original tile um as well as evidence of multiple other um additions with uneven materials on the floor um we had six flooring companies come out submit proposals to lay epoxy flooring on the bottom floor and we wanted to do lvp on the top floor but all of them say the floors have to be stripped to the foundation in order for them to warranty their products um this includes breaking out the original black and white tiles which we really wanted to restore but it was because the way they're laid out downstairs we can't do that uh so stripping out those tiles the floor leveler and then we have um the stripping of all the glue from the previous carpet uh this was of course an unexpected expense and it more than doubles our original budget which we had for $20,000 to redo the floors upstairs and downstairs um so we were informed by the in the community that the CRA of course you guys provide assistance to commercial owners that are wanting to make improvements to their establishments uh and we wanted to take this opportunity to request the assistance uh through the special consideration criteria for the construction of the building for our new restaurant of course um we appreciate your consideration so what what uh you wouldn't even have to do the special criteria if you did the uh the took off the vinyl sighting and readed the windows what happened with that idea um that was um an additional project we wanted to do if and in the future probably this summer maybe in the fall that is our end goal um right now our focus is just trying to get the floors done so that we can open and March uh that's been a big financial burden for us uh working through our budget kind of the floors in the interior took presidents over wanting to open up the windows which we still want to do and do the exterior brick it's just gonna have to be a phase two gotta all right any questions or are they eligible for the exterior even if they get this that would cap out uh at 15,000 for the next three years how however if let's just say you didn't use all of the 15,000 you would then be be eligible for that remaining amount in 12-month increments okay based on your quotes it appears you're going to max out either way right and we know we're hoping that obviously by opening and and having some cash flow that we'll be able to still do those projects and you know we're hoping by Christmas um but like I said right now we're just trying to get the door open okay all right well thank you for coming have have any other questions I'm just going to call for public comments comments I appreciate you thank thank you very much thank you hey does the public have any comments regarding this request okay do with this it be great you guys mayor if we could just wait hold on I'd like to keep no this is something you need to know right now your audio is really bad oh and if y'all will pull those mics can always remember on this thing o means off it doesn't mean on Okay so oh don't match oh a vertical line means on right that's correct okay and we we get we get on to every meeting we have about this so I'm just trying to keep it consistent amen it's hard to tell thank may all right I think motion to approve second all right we got a motion in a second any discussion chair one one point of of clarification that motion would it be up to the 15,000 15,000 15 the second to okay good okay all right we got a motion and second uh no discussion uh all in favor say I I I all all opposed say nay okay motion carries 40 thank you so much thank you all thank you being touched tomorrow okay moving on to yep we're we're back now under our regular agenda so all business 5A update on the parking study and request for approval of payout number three so via Zoom tonight our consultant Mr John Forster is going to give this board an update on some of the findings and data that he has compiled thus far and kind of set the stage for uh what to expect here uh in the near future before he get started I will tell you that we have already scheduled for him to be here at the end of next month uh as part of his attendance he will have a public Workshop where we will discuss some of his action items and recommendations as well as joint Workshop that we're going to have with the city council and then he'll come to our meeting that Wednesday and request consideration for approval before moving forward uh back to the city council so with that said he is available on zoom and has a short presentation that he is prepared to provide to us tonight I'm pushing resume here right yes okay we're live we're supposed to be can can you hear us can you hear us I'm GNA cut I'm turning the volume up can everybody hear that better super loud how's that I'll I'll back up for my microphone is that better hello hello can you hear us I I can hear you can you hear me we can hear you now the volum it's all the way [Music] up that better is that better I I can hear you very well that's an echo we're going Echo yeah there's a little feedback there okay he we're g we're we're ready John good evening thanks for having me um Josh and I were talking and and like you said in a month we'll be down there to discuss the findings and the recommendations of the parking study we wanted to do an update um I will say from the beginning this is because this is a public meeting and and people may I don't I don't have firm recommendations in here I'm waiting to to bring that those forth but I wanted to update you on where where we've been and what we've done and show you what's been going on so far um so I had that weeklong visit I met several of you when I was down there in October uh we inventoried everything we did multiple days of parking counts I met with several business owners staff uh even city council we had a public open housee uh we've done an online survey and we are finishing up uh the findings and recommendations right now so we mapped every single on Street space for you uh in GIS and we mapped every parking lot in the in the U downtown district and so that's all stored on GIS uh for the long term and we weren't planning on doing Circle Drive but it became obvious when I was there um so that goes all the way down to the Shaka Hall of Brotherhood as we counted cars down that way as well so we did parking counts uh for from 10 a.m. to 8:00 pm every two hours on Friday the 4th and from 800 am to 8:00 pm every two hours on Tuesday October 8th now what we found were Peaks around noon and then then on that Friday evening uh a peak as people are coming downtown to relax and enjoy I have uh heat maps that we've created for every one of those time zones I think 18 heat maps that that we've sent as you can see the red is over 90% o occupancy it makes sense this was at noon on that Friday that that block the 700 block of Baldwin is really the busy spot in to and then there's some other spots that get a little warm in the 80 to 90 range and then it kind of dissipates out from there um we did note we and as well as noting every single on Street space individually we noted where the ada8 spots are and we have a map for those as well um so interesting thing the the only public quote unquote public parking in town is all on street I it's one of the first things I said Jo you don't guys don't have a municipal parking lot anywhere and nope no we don't so but we also caught all the private parking and all the parking lots we mapped all those out and did the occupancy accounts for them plenty of availability throughout the day in those County parking areas obviously had the most cars but there's a a bit of a between uh the Highway 90 there and and the distance the county and downtown be interesting to see how much they interact with each other over time but certainly County activity does not impact that that center part of downtown we had the online survey open for three weeks we had 108 responses uh which we thought was really good uh it was very interesting 85% of the respondents visit downtown weekly uh 51% visit daily so we we really did get the people who are downtown so we did get the opinions of those who come the you can see the graphic over here um what they come for shopping yeah you got the dentist downtown a lot of them work downtown they like to entertain and and and D out downtown so a good mix of what they came to do downtown uh 90 7% drive so almost everybody drove I had a couple Walkers and that was it um 94% said they Park on uh on street and there was an expression of of need to look at 88 parking and I will say that did come up a few times when I was there as well so we will be addressing that um some the quote that was in a lot of the open-ended comments was we need more parking and and as we look back at the heat Maps I'm not sure we need uh more parking there's a lot of blue there which is under 60% occupancy uh but we need to use what we have well but that was a comment that did come through on the online survey so and Josh has all that if anybody has a hour or two of time to kill they can read all those open ended comments they're they're interesting um so I met like I said I met with organizations uh and business owners and and lots of people I I just went in and out of stores and and chatt with people as well um but people like being downtown they see the benefit of it uh they see even more potential for it it was very positive meetings about what downtown has become a lot of people could remember when it wasn't like it is now and that that wasn't that didn't feel as good so they're really excited about it um there is concern about how growth will impact parking availability in the future and and they express concern for both their patrons and their employees uh that they want make sure that both groups uh have ample parking uh they support planning ahead and looking for future needs I did catch a little frustration with some finger pointing about oh the parking problem so and so's fault and other people oh no the parking problem is so and so's fault and uh there was there was some frustration uh and by people who also didn't want the finger pointed at them they're like I'm just running a business I don't need everybody blaming me for the parking problem so uh there was a little of that uh overwhelmingly no one wants to see meters downtown so just input on that um you know just to give a sense of of kind of some of the things I saw while I was there and and um people come and they to park where they want to park and so there's a few things going on a lot of lot of big cars a lot of big trucks taking up space and uh and then like I said the patrons and employees are are mixed at this point it it's you can't tell there's no regulation there's no time lims there's no nothing it's it's first come first serve you get the spot so there's no way to tell who's parked uh which of those Vehicles down that street are employees and which are patrons to the businesses um talking a little bit about pedestrian access and and the ability to get around U you have a lot of good sidewalks some of the infrastructure is is aging a little um and and could take we're going to take a closer look at that 90 is is uh a bit of a a barrier but there's two signalized Crossings there I thought what was interesting from the survey is almost 50% of all the people who took the survey said a reasonable distance to walk from parking to their destination was less than a block um and so and over 90% said it was a blocker too so that that you know what that tells us is the perception of of what people are willing to do or what they think is reasonable for barking barking and walking um so as as we worked through this and started to come up with some of the recommendations uh we put together some goals and and certainly happy to take some input on that tonight if if some of these don't seem exactly right but parking should be an asset to the downtown um supports all the businesses and organizations that are there should be easy to use for both patrons and employees the policies should be clear and easy to understand and again Ada parking came up a few times so uh just to make sure the Ada parking there is there to support the the community um a desire to maximize shared use you know a bunch of tiny little parking lots doesn't do everybody any good so let's let's maximize shared use of the of the facilities I did see I talked to a number of people oh I park over at so and so's lot they give us two spaces and I park over the other person's lot they give us two spaces so that's really that's great that that's already happening um we want to plan for the future as much as assess the current um and and want to M maintain that feel that makes thec special that's what everybody says I'm here because I like it here let's not we don't want to see it it it lose that character of of of who we are um did anybody have any comments or feedback on that and feel free to give him to Josh afterwards and he can shoot him on to me I think I'll just get my comments to Josh after the meeting so we don't have to sit here and talk about it in the meeting but thank you so much for this I thought that was great are there any public comments any uh any board discussion any other comments you want to make all right um I got I got a couple more slides okay um I yeah the goals are important I want to make sure we're meeting your goals in this um so we're focused the recommendations on this this blocks 13 14 15 16 17 and really 14 15 these are your heaviest use blocks and you can see uh when it's really when it's really going those blocks are full um you know that the the pull the angled pull and parking on both sides of Baldwin is that's your supply that's your Downtown parking Supply and so we're going to focus on on really maximizing the use of this core um as we talked about solutions they got to follow your goals uh patrons Patron access to downtown I I heard a few business owners say that they they worry that people will stop coming if they can't find that spot that they want um certainly business owners want to make sure their employees uh have available and it's predictable like they know where they're supposed to be um look at infrastructure opportunities ways to make maybe make the physical space better as you go forward understanding that there's not there's no there's nobody in charge of parking and there's really I mean the police or or the Marshall might come through once in all ride an ada8 ticket if someone's in an ada8 spot when they're not to but by and large you don't have anybody managing parking and and no one wants to see tickets no one wants to see Towing we got to keep it we the goal is to keep it simple um we got we got to deal with those walking distance perceptions and again we got the solutions got to fit defunc Springs and so as we plan for the future things always change and and I think I heard from more than one person that they didn't think downtown would be as good as it is right five years ago they wouldn't have envisioned what downtown is now uh so things always change and let's hope they always continue to change for the good um we want to protect against overbuilding Downtown parking lots because that would mean the removal of buildings or or more or flat surfaces that we don't need um strategies for alternative transportation and just look at at how things are changing I got to admit I was a little shocked to see the five Tesla spots there um I'm not sure I've seen uh a Tesla charging station on Street in the city before so that was that was pretty cool that You' you've stepped out and and frankly I saw them being used a fair amount what I'll say and if you look at the bottom picture you see parking meters at one point you did have parking meters in town uh so things always change Embrace that manage the impact um maintain and improve infrastructure and and I will say the policies we recommend are going to be geared towards the entire downtown you can't ever gear anything towards a single business or a single piece because they'll be gone you know the shako left almost 100 years ago at this point um so we want to build in flexibility uh that benefits all of all of downtown and not just a single business or a single block and then as Josh was saying uh our presentations uh that that week of February 24th uh we have things scheduled for three nights in a row uh to give presentations and just talk to the community and help people understand uh where parking's at and and how how we're planning for the future now now I'm done I do have one question so if I'm looking at the focus area with the blocks you got 13 through 17 um what happens when all of this is at 100% And you can you can tell us tell us later I'm just I'm just curious as to where is the next level of parking and that's just for the future you don't I don't need you to say it tonight you can but you don't have to so no that's one of the things we're very carefully uh trying to figure out and and our building recommendation in for is because the the hope is in two more years that the red lines as the red lines stretch out a little bit um parking isn't one of the things that that makes downtown stall out a little bit we we have to have a plan for the future with the hope and anticipation that that buildings uh fill up and and activity continues I I missed or I didn't I'm not sure where the the people who were just before me is that a building that's vacant now that they're going to turn into occupied space um so things keep moving forward it it's been a restaurant but it uh the restaurant sold to them but I do think it's going to bring some renewed excitement and so I would expect to have more traffic and and parking once they're open but yes planning for the future is a key element of what we're work we're working on great thank you anybody else any other comments okay we got a councilman here councilman Tony Valley good evening everybody good afternoon Anthony Valley um so the county has purchased the Thriftway property which is uh north of 90 there from where the bogy's location was which is um currently where that tree line next to the court houses so there may be some opportunities for collaboration with the county if they choose to take the building down I think that a a way to show cooperation with the county as a as a board uh would possibly be to help either by leasing parking there if they do parking or by assisting with the paving and thereby getting some spots allocated and that would be great for employees and if Bogies does see a spike in activities whatever they're going to call it I actually don't know what they're going to call it yet but um that parking lot actually is proximal to that location and would actually work well uh and again weekend events that would be a great place for parking uh as well so and all weekend activities period but especially if there's events evenings uh and or weekends because the courthouse will not be operating at night so there is some natural fit and an opportunity for collaboration and anything that we could do to collaborate the city with your board your board with the county and the council with with the county the more what we can work together the better and so I think there might be an opportunity there in the near future and also remember that we are expanding the downtown district to the north side of 90 there needs to be an overall plan for future parking development along the street front uh and the emphasis for people to real that U as the street front develops for people to use the alleys for their existing homes and structures because they don't have to go away they don't have to change they can keep those even though as the streetcape develops but we will see more parking over there so whether it's talking about the parking itself or talking about cross walks safety features lighting so people can get across the street safety until we get the complete streets road diet there we may have to do some other things in inter room thank you sounds good thank you any other comments questions okay Josh I had a little there was a little feedback when he was speaking so if there was anything you need me to follow up on that just let me know okay okay all right thank you so much for your time and uh going over this and we look forward to seeing you uh next month I I look forward to being there awesome thank you so much yep take care everybody okay goodbye all right so as part of this item there is a request uh to approve invoice 446 428 as part of uh this ongoing effort it's a total of 4,000 63730 which represents um in total about 45% of the completed work for the total contract value of 46373 so I would need a a motion to approve that invoice so we can get it paid okay is there a motion so Mo second all right motion and a second any discussion if not all in favor say I I I all oppos say nay okay motion carries for all right so on to the next item uh as you may recall at our last meeting uh there was some direction given to me to reach back out to the culture Arts Alliance to see if there was any interest in them making uh or funding the improvements that were going to be required for their occupancy or uh at 27 Crescent Drive I did reach out to miss steel the executive director of cultureal Arts Alliance and in our conversations it was determined that the cultureal Arts Alliance just really didn't have the funding available to make those improvements uh for a parcel they didn't quite own so so she's here tonight I think to kind of give you uh a similar response and reaffirm you know her desire to to want to try to work together and figure out a solution so she's in attendance if you would like to uh ask her to yes if you could please come to the microphone and state your name hello Jennifer steel SEL e um yes i' Josh and I are have been in contact um and I apologize I was not here at the last meeting um to speak uh in person but we are interested regardless of if it's Crescent Drive or another parsal or anything we uh we are interested in helping bring arts and culture to downtown def fiac Springs in in whatever way so we just want to keep those conversations going specifically for this property we do have a um a contact who's close with the Cultural Arts Alliance an architect who is willing to help develop a scope of services if if the board determines that they want to move forward with getting uh going out for an RFP or RFQ uh for that building um so we do have some resources available to help cut that cost on the front end if you guys are if you guys determine that that's something that you want to move forward with um obviously the outcome would not be dependent on on our occupancy but we we would like to help U facilitate that if we can because we are interested in continuing the conversation um we're interested in in having a part um in downtown and helping it grow I think just from that presentation it was really exciting to think about how how we could help um you guys accomplish your goals as I as I um explained back in August when I was here okay thank you uh well if you would just stay there sure board members um does anybody have any questions I really would like to find a way to get him in that building I just think it's a perfect pit it's it's definitely something that I mean would give that energy to that whole area over there I think I think we need to I would like to personally like Susan says find some way to work this out what was the quote we were at before and what was that it maybe like so with that you know is is Bradley is he offering to kind of take that and redo it and make it more where it's a we could had more of a firmer number and he could probably look at the 8 stuff which we were looking at hiring duberry and that was going to be a major expense maybe Bradley could help you know with the with a pro bono I don't know yeah he we he hasn't outlined exactly what he'd be willing to do but he has expressed that he he would provide those Services pro bono so that we could cut that cost just get to the get to the nuts and bolts of what really needs to happen to make it a usable space I would say maybe we if Bradley could put something down on paper um and Bradley I know Bradley he's really qualified he works what what company does he work for now well tou Touchstone architecture and I cannot remember work for several big big firms he like a engineer like a structural engineer for these major Bridges and stuff he's like overqualified these things but it's it's good because he he can do the stuff that duberry could do he can do it so I'm just saying I I believe so maybe if we could kind of get it on paper um the Ada stuff and then all of the improvements you guys would need us to see and if we could get him to put something down and um you know maybe by the next meeting we could we could kind of look at that vote on that I would say and try to move forward because I think it would be helpful to get I mean it was great that you got a quote but it would be also great to go back out and have more of a firm number and you know let you know Lloyd bid again everybody bid we can so yeah and I've I've had conversations with with with Bradley and you know I think his his interest in this and correct me if I'm wrong was to help further Define the scope so that could be put out for bid so that we could get actual costs versus you know very high level rough estimate uh cost I don't know that he has expressed any interest in doing any design work necessarily but that's start with something we can bring back I would say put it in there and if you know if there's desire you can tell him that y yeah I think another thing tell Bradley asking I think what he can also do is streamline knowing that because he has a relationship with the Cultural Arts Alliance already knowing what our needs are he can streamline those costs you know without just looking at the the the white you know the um the structure like the shell he can also incorporate some of the things that we need that that may not cost more if he's able to think about it creatively and strategically I think that would be really helpful and then I mean just knowing his background knowing what he can do it would be that'd be huge because I mean we were paying duberry to give us a study to do I mean I'm not saying Bradley wants to do that but if he did that would be very helpful uh from our standpoint because it save us this is the Public's so we can't just go Willy Dilly spend it we got to be real careful about how we spend it so right this is a huge opportunity I think well do we need to make a motion to have it done I think let's just get Bradley brings if Bradley wants to come next be great if he doesn't I think just something on paper we can see with his qualifications and what he's proposing and I think that would probably help us make a decision what's been the ultimate goal for this to to did it over to them or so why don't you tell brute where we are kind of with in regard to how we've been working with this idea and you know kind of where it's gone because he he needs to bring him up to speed yeah sure so so we purchased a 27 Crescent Drive um some months ago with not any real identified use and conversations that I had had with the culture AR Alliance they expressed interest in wanting to be downtown so we started having conversation about this building they then express interest in wanting to occupy the building uh and so we got to a place where we both recognize that improvements needed to be made uh not necessarily structurally uh but Ada improvements uh General occupancy uh improvements things of that nature so I reached out to a local contractor to get some generic pricing on what that cost would be uh and I received that and it was $315,000 brought that back to this board this board uh considered that and and at that point said well let's let's see if culture Arts Alliance is willing to to help pay for some of those improvements um prior to that we had had conversations about um Bradley's efforts and wanting to further toine that scope of work to hopefully get the cost down um when we put it out for bid because you know when you start writing things down and you be more and you're and you're more specific you know there's a chance you're going to get a better price than someone looking at something and making you know a general estimate or whatever so that's that's kind of the what when wearing how of it and jennif if you would like kind of explain just a little bit or summarize what it is that that your plans were for that occupancy yeah and I can forward the the packet to you that I presented at that meeting but our our vision for the building is to make it a center for Arts education um small events performances um just activity creative activity for children for adults for all ages um kind of activating that gateway to the Southwest uh corner of Def downtown defunc and um we we you know we foresee after school programs um adult education programs during the day events at night and and we just and a gallery um we feel like there's a lot of potential there we've activated a space that the county owns in South Walton uh we've been there since 2010 and it's been a really wonderful partnership um kind of a similar situation they they bought a building that needed a lot of repair they didn't really have a plan for it and so we occupied it and we've made it a a center for Arts education from and so that's what we were thinking that we could kind of take that model and and transfer it up here and hopefully see the same results was your question a little more related to whether it would be leased or purchased or yeah what they answer and that too I just said know you know the ultimate goal was for them to be able to acquire it or but there is demand for that I mean my my girls are in a class downtown and there's a mile long waiting list to get into it um and the dber expense what was that like 20,000 or something no I don't remember thought my head I want to say it was around 16,000 some change that was the design work that was that that was exactly that was for to go out and analyze a site and put together a design to provide accessibility to the building right so so just so you know that's Bradley if he's willing to help that would help us right so right anyway yeah this is exciting and and I'm glad we're talking about it glad you're here and uh I hope we can make this happen because I think it would be really good for defunc so well I appreciate your willingness to hear me out and for your support and I hope we can make it work thank you thank you thank you and and just for clarification that proposal is 15000 15 15 from D okay all right moving on to uh item 5c update on historic design standards and consultant introduction so as you well recall we hire JMC to help establish some historic design standards they are uh meeting with stakeholders this week have samanth and carollyn here from JMT wanted to bring them here just to introduce you to them uh we will be having a public Workshop tomorrow evening at stall of Road Hood at 6:00 pm to kind of go over the the project and to explain the you know the intent and and answer some questions so just wanted to bring them here and introduce them and let you know that we're full boore on this and officially kicked it off this week so is is everybody on the board doing an interview or a little meeting with so that everyone's been invited not not everyone has has accepted the invitation or been able to to meet yes everyone's invited um I met with them today and uh I would just say if you have the time I think it would be beneficial to get your input everybody on this board uh for them to hear from the board um because you know I I think I think this is a really good thing and I you know people that are lifelong residence of the geniac I think it's important to for them to hear from you so yeah I just wanted to say that so thank youall all right moving on to Old business 5D update on 111 and 129 North 6 Street Parcels so I'm still waiting uh to sign those closing documents I can tell you that I've been a conversation with the county and they are eager to get started on the demo um so I'm hoping that here in the next few days uh weeks at most we'll be able to get to a place where we can sign those closing documents and what's the hold up I mean this I'm not really sure is this the speed of government or what I think so yeah just just a function of that um but we're very much going to get it done it's just a function of of getting the paperwork finished and and making it happen so the good news is the County's in a position where they can start right away everything has has been um I guess cleared for them to do the demolition so it's just a fun function of signatures and off the Races they are so nothing bothering them they're all happy about it all good y all good with the purchase price right all righty so under uh new business 6A so at our last meeting you all directed me to bring back an RFQ for the formal design of the amphitheater so in your packet is just that an RFQ for that design I also included as part of that design some visibility components I think it's important to memorialize those in the scope of of work there in section two you'll see exactly what that feasibility component is so essentially we're taking a look at at what we have uh we're we're looking at what we could see in terms of of Tourism uh what we could expect to see in terms of Revenue uh the economic impact things of nature to help guide some concept drawings I think the the point is we don't want to go into this blindly um you know fill the dreams kind of thing build it they will come we kind of want to know who it is it's going to come to what degree I know in our conversations that we have with cultureal Arts Alliance they have the Songwriters Festival in South Walton I think that is certainly an opportunity that would present itself far more if we were to redevelop this here in the fiac something of that caliber so that's part of this art fq the way it's structured right now is it would be advertised um first of of the month of February it would be due the bids on March the 7th now lat to 1M those bids will then come back to you all at our meeting uh in March for you to review and then select to interview at our next meeting they would come uh the firms you would interview them and then you would select the firm or firms you wanted to negotiate the terms with so at this particular point this is simply a request for qualifications approval for the advertisement okay thank you uh Mr Mayor John V Lawson that's a former mayor is that right yes okay did he did he put the did he start the amphitheater or something he buil he was a mayor when they built it okay all right cool well thank you uh anybody have any questions on the RFQ once the firm is chosen who's are we fully responsible for paying them or there any Partnerships with we're going to we're going to try to get some help but I think uh I think that's uh I think we pay for the firm but we're gonna have to get some help to pay for the implementation the construction definitely so um we were trying to get some money from the uh TDC but that was U not successful so maybe we'll be successful with the next venture but we don't want to sit there and wait on you know that so um does this is standard RFQ or what where did you get it is y it's it's very uh very similar to the city's RFQ um the scope of work obviously is tailored specifically to uh this particular project but yes the RQ came from the city CL Anthony valy um I just wanted to ask the U does the RFQ include the information that was developed by the tree and beautification board for the park information including some of those surveys that were done yes so that would be part of that it would be handed off to the consultant okay yeah all right thank you any other questions you have Council Valley about you've worked on this for a while so I know you've you've talked you've came up with some thoughts and everything well I think I think where the tree and beautification ended up in terms of concept is uh is certainly manageable and doable and actually is a is a hybrid remodel so you're not starting from scratch uh but I think the inputs in there in terms of shading and desires of of of views and some of those concepts are very important uh the aspect that this approach is a DAT did not approach is uh the the financial uh Revenue impact that that can have for one it's it's sustaining itself and also for supporting uh the downtown and the community at large you know if we can get it to where it is a uh TDC asset in terms of bringing in outside events uh bigger events and actually drawing people into our community that's good for all of our businesses all the town and also for hotels and and uh bed and breakfasts and all the other facilities that we have so um that aspect was not addressed because before it was being treated as a park amenity and a city amenity this is looking beyond that but it doesn't mean that those things go away I think those things are still relevant we're trying to see is uh how can we mix desires of our citizens with uh revenue and and Business Development so great thank you thank you my bias is that we extend all of those benefits that he talked about to an indoor venue we don't have one we need it okay thank you and that was Mindy Henderson she didn't say her name but it's so good all right thank you um any other comments okay do we need to approve this okay all right um motion to motion to approve okay a second second right got a motion in a second uh any discussion okay have not all in favor say I I all opposed say nay motion carries for and just to clarify that as the the approval to advertise RFQ yes approval to advertise RQ all right so so moving on to item six B so in addition to the direction I got for the Ampitheater project you all directed me to go back to the city council to see if there was any desire to move forward with some concept drawings I am pleaseed report that on January 13th I did approach the city council explain to them kind of the what when where and how and our desires to move forward with some concept drawings at that meeting we discussed three locations that have been brought up through various meetings the original location has conceptualized in our Redevelopment plan which is the East M Circle Drive that area adjacent to the shito hollow Brotherhood and then the vacant parcel over near clay and Plateau three sites yep three sites uh and so what I put together here recognizing the timeliness of this to try to move forward with some preliminary Concepts is is I put together a task order that I would like to get a price from duber on and the reason for that uh is to streamline the procurement process it's entirely up to this board to decide but if we go the RFQ route you know we'll be probably sometime in April or May before we actually execute a contract so leveraging the city's continuing Services agreement that they now have with duberry I think is is a way to kind of speed this up again we're only doing preliminary engineering uh and concept drawings we're not going into pool design so we want to take a look at those three locations take a couple of Concepts um of the labyrinth and and show exactly what that would look like in terms of its accessibility and its physical appearance on the site as a labyrinth the Labyrinth going to be in all three locations that's correct and they will be visuals that's right yep yep so we're thinking probably two uh or three actual Concepts at each location two you're going to do two or three concepts at who's going to vote on this the city council yeah so the way that would work once we get the concept drawn we then have a series of public workshops where we would discuss these Concepts it would then be brought back to the CRA for consideration and then subsequently taken to the city council before any decision is made to move forward with formal design if there is one well I think I mean I mean this is my my view on this board it's not our decision where it should go it could be but we don't want it to be I mean I think it needs to be the city's decision where it goes so is that what the city council is going to vote on Council Valley you're welcome to come up here and tell us this mean at this point we're trying to help take Mr Mayor one of y'all when of yall come tell us we're here to take an idea and put it in concept form and be able to have better discussions about what the project would look like at those respective locations have the workshops have the discussions and get General consensus from the public on the location or concept that they like and want to move forward with and at that point that's what I'd be recommending to this board is to move forward with that chosen concept that will then go to the city council for their formal blessing I was just I don't know how Rafael how long it take to look it up but I believe the motion that was made that evening specifically said Chipley Park only two of your locations are in Chipley park I think one of them outside the three locations were the no no I'm talk the motion I don't that's not my recollection motion to prove this I believe they clearly use the wording are you talking about the city council meeting yes okay okay I'm just clar other words if if uh if the Third location is already not included I wouldn't want you waste your money on it that's a good point you know that when I proposed it when I presented it you proposed it three locations y two were in chiply part one was not that's right but I think Josh gers made the motion and I believe he actually used the wording Chipley Park yeah I don't I don't know maybe that's the case but if that if we're locked in on that I don't want you waste your money on the third location yeah okay so a motion was made to approve to move forward with the conceptual design of a Veterans Memorial at Chipley park by second counc Valley the motion pass without objection oh there you go all right so councilman Valley you want to come all right so dude not to get too technical here but I I don't want the CRA to be affected by the location we just want to see it designed and implemented we want to help pay for this whatever I think the I think it's an important project the motion the motion stands on its own and that's what the Council said so I I can't diverge from that but I mean I think the intention was that we want to be able to build it somewhere we want to make sure it happens and we don't want to see it fail because of being limited you have the latitude to study whatever you want but and still have to get approved no matter where it's going on the city of property but I have to stand I I mean I have to stay with the language of the for for our purposes what is it going to cost more to do three locations because last thing we want to do is get caught up in some I don't want it here I want it there I mean you know I just you well did part of this say that um the public was going to help pick one of these three locations as well I mean yes there would be a workshop yes there's gonna be public input at the end of the day we're gonna listen people want but if they we don't do a design on the one that's not in chiply park then they don't have that to look at that's correct correct but there's in it cutting and pasting to some extent I mean is it we're to some it's really just looking at the topography and seeing if it's accessible if it's going the third one is probably the easiest phog um Topography of any of them but I mean it might be the least desirable location for of any of them so it's just like but again I don't want to go get into this whole thing well they didn't do this they did these and I mean you know I just want to make sure that we're we're neutral and agnostic on this as much as we can be so and I think because it is a schematic and a concept it it gives you that flexibility because this should be a very fast fluid and inexpensive exercise in terms of uh they analyze a site it's flat we have parking it's hilly we need this much ramp we're going to need parking that's further away I mean some of this is is academic in its nature and really doesn't matter specifically where it is now when we get to the public comment and the public input in terms of where that's going to be more uh personal and really tied to the individual that's giving that feedback my goal is to see built uh I'm not worried about where it is let the public say where it is I just want to see it built one way or another I think that's what the pay for the um T is this task order going to be we pay for each individual location or it it would it would be it be do we know what we're talking about on on dollars we do not no don't have proposal from them no so are you requesting a a motion tonight to approve no I'm just simply requesting direction to get a proposal from duberry for this Tas oh is there a desire to do I would say yes but I think I think personally let's get duberry to put the three in there just let let the city council tell us to take that one you know but I think I would rather you go to the next city council meeting and make sure that their intent was to not have this one in here because otherwise we're sitting here playing this game with them you know it's just gly park or not I think the council has um designs to put pi courts in that third location I don't know when or if well it's flat is a pancake so we be perfect for that I mean I'm just saying I just want to make sure that when we go hiring duberry to do something that we're paying for to do that it's what the council's wishes are we're not going outside of that because otherwise we're get caught up in this I wanted it over here I meant I'm me the area you know you know and I certainly don't mind going back to the council and and reposing or clarifying clarify I wouldn't Repose clarify again my the motion was clear yeah the motion as recorded is clear I think the way it was presented was the three locations and that was my understanding if if the map was shown like this if a map was shown like there three locations I I don't I and I really don't care I would I want to see this build wherever y'all want it I'm just saying like if you if you showed three but you're saying oh those are the only two truly in chibly park it's just like I want to hear that from the council counil said they wanted it in two they wanted to consider did they say they want two because if they want two that's easy just cut this one off and you don't have to deal with the third one but did they say two they say three said CH that's all yeah where did the third location is was that the um the across from the tennis court well but I mean was it um decided during your uh workshops that you had came up with the third yeah I want to say it was proposed that maybe the joint Workshop that we had is an idea so these were the three locations that came out of that meeting you had with all the veterans and it could be that no so no it came out of the joint Workshop between y'all and the C oh interestings were clear when we had that we did not talk about specific locations we just said you veter talk about it figure out what yall want to do and we're ready to go and helping get it paid for and implemented designed all that kind of stuff that was kind of the my understanding of what our meeting was yeah because I I don't recall and then I thought there was some meeting and discussion and I thought they were kind of in favor of something I and then you see three locations and then you talk about two again I don't care I just want to make sure that we aren't getting into this little Battle of I wanted it I didn't you know may maybe somebody wanted it here maybe they didn't did they talked about three just clarify they didn't talk they talked about two then revise I mean you know we're in a public meeting and you're showing three right here so we got to make sure this is clear with everybody before we we're not g to vote on anything I don't think anyway right now are we we're not and and I you know I can I can certainly go back and if nothing else have a conversation with the the council member that made the motion um but you know in in our discussions that we had with the veterans group there was Universal support for the project project I think through some of the conversations I had individually uh with members of the council you know we wanted to make sure that we looked at all potential locations those are the three locations that were identified in our you know joint Workshop um and so that's how we we ended there um so you're you're actually just asking for a task order today is I'm simply asking if this board has desires to move forward with the project and as part of that getting a task order proposed from duberry through the continuing Services agreement or whether you would want to go out for bid and hire firm to do that and the task order right now will will they will come back with um quotes to to the task order will cost us the task order is going to exactly so the proposal that they will provide is based off of this task order that I put together okay that will have a fee Associated okay that fee will be for them to do the work uh in accordance with the task order that proposal will then come back to you at our meeting in February for you to consider I'm afraid of him going back to the council again and then it's just going to delay things you know well can we approve the idea but have him go affirm this with these locations because if we don't need to do three locations it's crazy to do three locations but if their real intent was well we really meant to do three location I I I don't know the whole discussions of the three locations I'm just saying when you say three and then you say oh they me too I I just want to make sure it's clear I don't want to get into this little argument deal I want to like I think we are ad are because this has been bounced back and forth from y to the council a number of times and who is afraid to make a decision I just want to know who came up with this map and why we're talking about three we should be talking about and was this map presented at the city council that map was generated by me after that meeting okay so again leading up to the city council meeting it was clear that that there were there were concerns about a sole location and that if we wanted to move forward with this project we need to look at other locations so going back through you know the process we discovered those three locations being mentioned therefore that's where I went to council and said hey here's where we are we would like to study these three areas so this was presented at the council that was not presented at the council okay so they didn't see something right there because he clearly spoke of three locations to the council uh and then whenever Mr scor said chiply Park um I'm not sure why it was that a Miss did he misspeak or was there a reason why he went to the veterans meeting he was at the veterans meeting he met with all them what did the veterans say did the veterans say right M but there's three locations so if they want it there then why are we why are we doing three different locations it's it's in a sort of depression if it's impossible because of drainage or requiring too much cement to get handicapped people there we have to be willing to yield a little bit okay I agree want there but but let me say this why would we not do three locations if that's what we're talking about because the Third location may be the location that works and the other two may not work yeah Council said chip rep part if if if I may so you know obviously we're all talking right now about a very high level concept so the only drawing that we have is this picture right here that is in our reiling plan update it has no consideration for topography it has no consideration for parking it really has no consideration for anything other than the location so before moving forward with design of this particular um project it was determined that we needed to study the area and see if some of the concerns uh are genuine or not meaning is it going to be able to be fully accessible without having to build thousands of linear feet worth of concrete guard rails hand rails and all that because if it is then then there's the answer that's that's not a great St but the only way that we will ever get to that point is to hire a consultant an engineering consultant to do some surveying and put together some some concept drawings to show what that would look like as part of that exercise look at these other locations to see if it makes more sense to place them there to meet all those other criteria well could it be possible like mayor said that maybe he wasn't thinking and he misspoke when he said Chipley do we know is there a massive cost increase by increasing the third one I I mean there will be an increase in cost but I think it will be marginal so so what's the harm I mean is the harm that I mean is there any harm I don't is there is there a plan to do courts on there right now that you know of Mayor that like hard plan we Mr Val can tell you more than I could yeah give best update on that there is a desire there is a desire to do pickle ball and split the pickle ball between the pickle ball and the tennis because right now there's a mix on on one of the courts um we actually need to spend a little bit of time actually seeing once it warms up a little bit seeing how much activity we're getting out there and see if it warrants the additional courts if we end up with Four Courts out there then we're also going be talking my bathrooms so you know those are several things that will be happening um but there is a lot of space I'm inuring for parking pickle ball but I wouldn't like it with the noise um being a uh a reflective space uh the noise is a problem uh that's not the only Park I mean there's I I thought Florence Park had been mentioned U actually but again I wasn't at the uh veterans meeting so I'm not I'm not sure about that but I I would if you want to move quickly I would say approve Josh to do the three and then he can get clarification from Individual council members as to if would bother them to see one outside of Chipley Park um or if they want to see them all inside Chipley Park and he can gauge whether they have to go back to a meeting or not but he'd already be authorized and then just like let Josh figure it out and and look if his intent was the two then that's done it's not but I just I feel like we're just better off to do that but you can move ahead at that point yes agree all right somebody want to make a motion no motion we just tell Josh what to do three of them this is a simple direction do you want to move forward and if so this is the next step so that will be for me to get the proposal all three bring it back you fav thank you we're good two or three whatever it is that we're good all right so the last item I have so back uh during last legislative session U our our great state legislature made some changes to section 189 of the Florida State statutes uh that uh revolve around Special Districts which we are one of so as part of that statute change they added a section 89.0 694 to add annual requirements for performance measures and standards there's a lot of confusion around this um at our conference it was a Hot Topic before the Redevelopment Association uh they wondered you know how how does this apply to us we already have reporting requirements where we probably satisfy a v majority this anyway uh so through the the guidance that I received through the F Redevelopment Association I put together uh just some standard um performance measures uh and some goals and objectives there in your packet to satisfy this statutory requirement I feel like um across the state most cras have kind of adopted this form uh to do that but that's uh that's something that we're going to be required to do moving forward we do have state goals and objectives and I read about a plan update as part of our annual reporting we do have to produce an annual report that reflects how we've accomplished those but this is a a form that I put together here or document that kind of specifies in a little bit more detail uh the first few the community engagement uh the financial transparency and accountability uh th those are all again things that that we're doing um we're just not really specifying that on a piece of paper so certainly open to you know any discussion on this or Direction uh but as you'll see I put some Criterion there for Grants uh I put in here that you know annually uh we would uh we would have some reviews for the qualification criteria we would make sure that we advertise appropriately um and you know we would have a 10% increase in in uh participation year-over-year I have some improvements in here here of capital Improvement project so John V Lawson Amphitheater Veterans Memorial and then the last section is blight elimination um so again taking a look at some of our goals that we have already established in our Redevelopment plan and specifying them in this document is what I put together here through the guidance of the Florida Redevelopment Association I think um this is good I think um I'd like to see more measurables on everything that we do so that's good you know like sure and to achieve yes or no I mean there may be some in progress type thing you know I don't know some level of in progress we may not be like you said the amphitheater I mean maybe no but we may have done 65% of the you know work on it yep so I think showing progress and showing you know the impact what we're doing the best we can how we're going to measure that you know like kind of talked about all you know for the meeting is like you know when we uh do a do a grant and you know somebody does a renovation the yard takes down a tree what what does that do to the to the surrounding properties does it does it help clean up four properties and have you have you made that impact you know that building that gets redone on the outside that Awning or whatever is that impacting the ones around it so but and I think you know this this document I put together here is set up away where at the end of the fiscal year so for us it be September 30th of this year you know that's when we'll we'll go and and check the yes or no and then add the comments alongside of it if it's a note you know why was it that so that we can then display to the public you know how we fell short or why we fell short what the current status is so um sure sounds good I'd like to you know keep adding to these and you know adding and hopefully subtracting because we've able to accomplish exactly y y y exactly and you know this is the the very first year that we're kind of rolling this out so I suspect as time goes on better guidance will come along and you know we'll be able to to take you know what is this four pages and turn it into eight pages you know that would obviously be a goal of mine is to increase it every year so I think it's a good first start um not perfect by any means but something I put together for you all to consider and and I hope that that you agree and we can get it uh we get it on the website and check that box maybe the new lawyer on the board can help us there you go I I do think you know the more we can um can show the good we're doing is the more it's going to open up opportunities for things Statewide and whatever for Grants and and opportunities for the city and you know all of what we're doing to be more impactful sure everybody likes to see success success L success so all right if I can get a motion on this motion approve the objective goals and uh standards second 25 okay we got a motion to Second any discussion if not I'll in favor say I I I'll oppose say a okay motion carries 40 right thank you so uh that's all that I have on on the regular agenda I do want to remind the board of a training opportunity coming up on March the 6 through the Florida Redevelopment Association as you may recall uh there was some time where we thought that there was a time where we thought we're going to be able to have this training the board training for Beach had a hurricane down in South Florida the cancell flight so long story short it didn't happen uh I am pleased to report that it is going to happen again knock on wood um on March the 6 same instructor so Dr Jeff Burton uh with the Florida Redevelopment Association to come up to City fo Walton Beach and do the training it's going to be at 9:00 a there at their City Hall complex I actually took this training when I was down at the conference this past year learned a lot uh opened my eyes to a lot had a lot of elected officials and appointed board members there and I think they all left a little confused in some cases like wow okay we we really didn't know what we were getting into this so I think it'd be great not only for you know gr as as a new appointee but for all of us um to just be familiarized with you know the process and learn about all the the dos and the don'ts if you will so um I believe I emailed you all the the information if you would like to uh to take advantage of that and can take advantage of that be glad to to register you for that and get you get you paid up so that you can take advantage of it nine o'clock 900 am yeah it's four hours 9 9 to1 is there an online option there is not um there is a powerful presentation I can provide you um but as far as an online option unfortunately okay if I mean everybody that can come it's great but if we if some of us can't that it would be great to have that slide I think y sure y yep all right uh so last thing I have uh as you can remember from our conversations late last year a lot of discussion about needing to have more frequent workshops with the city council um so I wanted to try to to gauge your interest on you know how frequent you would want to do that quarterly um twice a year once a year and kind of identify when that next opportunity maybe for us to sit down together and kind of go over some of our goals and make sure we're all on the same page and align ourselves a little more you want us to ask Tony what he thinks I was gonna I was gonna say let's get the councilman in the room Tony tell us what you think we listen when Tony scheduling more meetings with that crowd it's coming the truth um I mean quarterly quarterly might be excessive um I mean I think it would be productive um but I think that that well again I I'd have to defer to my other council members I think we can what I can do is I can go back to them and I can or the mayor can gauge that the am could actually gauge that individually and just speak with them I kind of think quarterly would be a bit much uh I think we'd want to have a couple here early on and then probably not have another one until the end of the year and then after that you could probably just do it twice a year um i' recommend doing something close to budget time before budget time really gets going and then something you know end of summer or something like that uh I think that would help everybody with their planning activities so you thinking twice a year now or more and then go to twice I think it'd be good to have two meetings here in the first half of this of this year uh just because we haven't been doing it' be good to get caught up maybe a quarterly meeting for the first half of the year and then first quarter second quarter you know end of first quarter end of second quarter and then not something until later in the year and then after that you could probably just do it twice a year I think these I think the key is these big projects if we can get all the input we can so we can get some of these rolling I mean you know we want to get these we got some things we really can accomplish now so we want to you know we got some money we gota gotta knock these things out and of course the the council's not here to direct you and we can't direct you you're you're an independent body and we respect that and by the same token we can't uh we need to be cautious in terms of putting things on our Capital Improvements lists or anything like that because it would take you out so the importance of the communication is to understand things that your board wants us wants to work on versus what we're going to work on and then kind of divvying up the responsibilities so everybody knows what they're doing and not stepping on each other's toes um and then I think you can utilize the council and the individual members in terms of you know collaborating with other entities uh I mean for dunc's always here so you don't really have to reach out too much but um you know other entities Main Street you might need help from someone trying to keep collaboration there uh Communication open uh you know other uh the senior center you know other entities that we work with uh Council on Aging you never know any of these entities could be a potential partner just like we have the veterans or now I mean it's not an official group that we're working with but at the end of the day they are a partner in this as a Citizens group so again there are groups and maybe IAC groups that that'll emerge throughout and you know kind of pick pick a member pick a council member that you know put them to work put us to work work we can we can do the Outreach on your behalf as well uh and kind of everybody helping each other U but you know we just want to the main thing is not to get things crossed up on lists that either eliminate a project from consideration um or or that you know we have overlap that that causes friction great so on that one I would say that and and remind us you all have standing workshops already scheduled for the council right yeah so we're doing is we're doing basically one every second meeting second meeting of every month we we do a workshop just before the regular meeting this time it was the airport so it'll vary um and again it's something different every time those are always at four o'clock prior to the five o'clock city council meting yeah I think it'd be great to get y'all's input on things that you know whether it be the Alleyways project if we've got money in that what do y'all think of that the Ampitheater project what do y'all think of that sooner than later on these things you know I mean the veterans project all those I mean we got to get these things going and and and we need to all be working together and and make this thing easy yeah a big one's the fire department you know is there yes there is an opportunity it can be done is there interest to actually do it you know do we want to do that as a group it's you know it's a that's tricky though it's a real tricky thing for us the CR board it's within the scope though but we have to see if it's on the Capital Improvements list but but anyway that's something we can all talk about yeah I mean we've also assets that we need to I mean I was just talking to Mayor about the Armory it's like where where we got a building it's just sitting there I mean that's a that's a it's a pretty big Warehouse it's like I I don't it's not an episode of artworks of the Covenant you know you know Raiders of the Lost Art with the with the big Museum in the back I mean we we'd like to actually get life in there not stuff I mean our community has an asset we should be utilizing all our assets maybe we need to do something there again it's not something that's front of house right now it's just something that's we hate to see wasted assets understanding you know like there's some buildings and there's some houses too but there's some buildings downtown that are just continually are not occupied and they're hazardous and with what happened to uh Todd and Amanda's building could happen to many other building a few other buildings that could be really detrimental to the whole downtown and letting them just go on with this you know you know but just just really disrepair is is really you know not good for the city sure so the alley cleanup would help with that um it'd be nice to coordinate it again a good thing about a workshop is allows you to coordinate uh with the city in terms of hey when can we do you know Water and Sewer improvements you know and and that way when y'all are doing the line burial we can be doing the water improvements at the same time and not be tearing up brand new work or replicating work I mean I'd love to coordinate that so it may not happen as fast as you know it could if yall just went ahead and did the alley clean up but it might delay it a little bit but then we're on the same page and getting lots done the way that you know something like a fire or some of this what happened with uh with the Suare building in particular could have an overlap is you know access to some of these things have become very difficult uh the a lot of these masks are very old uh some of the lines are actually been over tensioned because they've been kind of redone strong extended you know kind of patched together over 100 years you're going to get that um and these buildings you'll have multiple meteors because they've been abandoned and redone and it gets messy and it gets confusing and it begins to create a hazard I mean we've got some power that's actually overlapping with other buildings in in different places I mean all over I mean we've run into it in renovation projects where power is overlapping different properties once you have to reconnect these meter bases it's going to clean that up because you're going to have no choice but to address that as the burial happens so it will actually help with some of these safety issues that we have seen I mean we've we've seen it in Redevelopment and you know in this case it wasn't a direct link but there's all these abandoned pieces in there and there could have been some cross transfer that would have created hazards in other buildings so again it it has a benefit Beyond just the visual there is a safety aspect to that one but let's be smart about it and do it together in a workshop is a great way to work that out um is it okay to bring up a one more thing sure so Josh had met uh with The Tib group a while back and youall have met since then so you've received updates but one of the ideas that I think is really important to stay focused on and latched on to is the idea of the community captains uh basically these are you know neighborhood leaders you know it's not us it might be us in our neighborhood I don't know but within every neighborhood there's someone that's more engaged there's someone that's watching out for some whether it's older folks or or that go-to person everyone calls when they need to borrow something that you to be Ma you know so your dad used to be that guy uh but those people these neighborhood leaders are also the same people that when we have a code issue they can come and help solve it before it becomes a big problem right now what I'm dealing with or one of the things I'm dealing with is that we've got all these heavy heavy leans on on properties that have been out of compliance for a long time I don't have a good solution for that and I'm trying to figure out a way that as a counsil with some of our ordinance review that when we would we can look at it okay if they partner with a nonprofit maybe there could be some leniency but you know they're going to they may not keep the property we got to figure that out because it's too big a problem but what I don't want to see is that continue to happen where we have the one property two property three property a year that transfer into this big bucket becomes a huge problem for you and a huge problem for us and we're never going to get the money and it's not getting fixed all we want is things to get fixed if we really emphasize this community Captain concept we deal with it when it's $500 or $1,000 instead of 10,000 and 30,000 or someone's roof is collapsing when it was before it was just an eve or a gutter if we can do that on the front end even if it means that some of that is in form of a grant but it's a small Grant we're not talking about a $50,000 project anymore we're talking about you know a little bit of expense so I'd like to see that Community Captain idea really start to get pushed forward so that we can solve the problem be before it's a problem and I think that's the only way we're going to really stay on top of the new complaints we we're gonna have this other pool is going to be a problem but this one could be the only solution and some of those Community captains are going to be church leaders some of those are just be people in the neighborhood uh and it's going to be different around different parts of the city but we need to really put I mean it's a brilliant idea it's a great idea um really I mean and it's your Outreach as well those people are going to be direct contacts to the CRA so there's way more benefit than just the the few little things that we see it's going to be a direct communication to you it's going to be a way to engage everywhere in the city not not just in historic or not just in dorsy and not just in West End I mean it's GNA really give you Outreach so I really it was a great idea that came up at the workshop and I I strongly you know I'm a proponent of it that sounds great all right thank you sir any other comments so did you get direction on getting us a workshop together at maybe this quarter beginning the next quarter yep so uh we're thinking maybe March okay I'll work on getting that say second quarter we're coming we're in the middle of second quarter okay I I will coordinate with the the city and see if we can't figure out a day in uh in March to do that citizen comments yet I think so you done J I am oh sorry citizen comments I'm sorry I was putting resident of the city um and speaking on behalf of for defunc we had the privilege of attending a meeting uh a town hall meeting by our city manager and the planning director Chris Wallace and uh Kobe uh Kobe Townson at the tiv gymm two things came out of that and don't go anywhere Tony oh um one is that they ask about how we could get more money to do things and we talked about annexation so that we could get to more of the properties that actually can pay some taxes instead of the people like in their community that have homestead exemption and don't pay any taxes uh the other thing was um it was obvious that they knew very little about um Economic Development the next day I wrote a memo to your Matthews Tony I guess called in and someone from County Planning that was at the meeting also called him and we're going to have a planning meeting Thursday no Friday at my house and you're invited and the reason you are is because when when you Rah Matthews called me back on the phone and said he was very enthusiastic about having such a meeting in that Community he said they need to understand that if they want to recruit businesses there that their Community must be free of light and look beautiful or they won't look at them so uh I'm going to suggest that you meet with us or at least come to the first meeting which will be at I believe at um Union Springs where they have a good microphone we don't know exactly when but fard will help uh facilitate that by getting the publicity out or anything else that we're called on to do all right thank you thanks all right any other comments any board comments okay welcome brute thank you glad to have you all right if no other comments uh I will accept the motion to adjourn motion okay motion to adjourn at 6:35 thank you much thank you thank you