make decisions for the betterment of this community in Jesus name. Amen. Amence to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation
indivisible for all. >> Thank you. >> All right. We are we would like to welcome our new uh commissioner but he is not here. So um
if he comes in late we will do it. If not we'll do it next week. Okay. All right. Uh approval of minutes. Everybody viewed the minutes. Did anybody have any? >> I sent something to me. I think he
referenced to Councilman Townson in here. I don't know who that was. >> Oh, maybe it should have just said uh city manager. >> Was he here? >> I can check it. >> Where was that?
It's on page six. Council. Okay, here we go. Yeah, it's a good catch. uh midway down council member towns and that just needs to be corrected. >> Corrected. >> Okay. Any other any other corrections or
changes? If not, does someone want to make a motion with uh that change being noted? >> Second. >> We got a motion in a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I. All those say no. Motion carries. 40. Okay.
Next item. [Music] financial report. >> Yeah. Good evening, chair, members, uh the commission. I don't really have anything to report here other than um kind of got the accounts established for the new budget year. Haven't had a whole
lot of expenditures expenditure since then. >> Okay. Does anybody have any uh anything they would like to bring up under this item? If not, then we'll move on to the growth and development tracking sheet. >> Thank you for that. The next item I have
here is an update on our growth and development assistance program. As you'll note in your packet there, we do have a new grant award for this fiscal year for our residential site cleanup grant, which is a dump trailer. Um I I will admit activity has been a little slow in that regard. I'm sure if it's
economically related or or what's going on there. Uh we did close out another one there at 40th 40 North 9inth Street uh for a new roof, but that's that's really the only activity I had to report on for our growth and development assistance program. >> So that's just one one
questions. >> Okay, moving on. >> All right, so next item I have in a new business is request direction on the debt issuance RFP. So at our last meeting you all um approved the advertisement of the RFP for the the debt issuance. We did receive a proposal
uh from PNC bank. It was the only proposal that we received in your packet uh is a printed recommendation a memorandum from our consultant at PFM along with a worksheet showing what those fees and debt amount would end up being and then obviously the proposal
that we received from PFM. We have the consultant available by phone. Um, if if you all have technical questions as it relates to the proposal or any of the fees indicated there, I do think there has been a recommendation by PFM to move forward uh with this
particular proposal. He does not see anything in this that that is striking. Therefore, he is in a position to to recommend if we so desire to move forward with that. Um, but if you would like to um have any technical questions answered, he would be available to do
that by So, we just need to call him if we need have questions. >> That That's correct. >> All right. Yep. This uh I have his number right here and I'm I'm ready to call if anyone has any questions on this. >> I'm just not sure if I have questions.
That's the first time I've seen it. So, >> yeah. I do apologize for that late delivery. Um we did give the bank some additional time to respond um considering we didn't really receive a whole lot of interest. So we have allowed that to take place and kind of put us in the last minute as far as
getting the documents together. But you know in essence what we have here is a proposal from Kansas City Bank uh with a specified interest rate at 4.73%. They did in fact uh reduce the amount of debt payments. So we initially had eight
debt payments with the last one being on September 1st of 2033. As you'll note in the proposal, they've reduced that by one year uh with a balloon payment at year six. Uh so in in aggregate that interest amount uh net interest amount
is a little over a million dollar uh with a $60,000 estimate on the expense related to executing the debt. So in aggregate uh between the the net interest and the estimated debt expense,
you're looking at roughly 1.15 million in borrowing cost in order to take out the $5 million gap. >> So the 1.15 would be 1,92 plus closing cost. Is that what >> Yeah, the closing cost is 60,000 this
year. And that's an estimate. Obviously, if you all decide to move forward, there'll be a a formal um sheet provided with those actual costs at time of of execution. >> And then this was kind of discussed with the city council me, but we'd have to go
back to city council and get them to approve the projects and picking out that bond. Correct. >> That's correct. So, I did speak with the consultant. That's something that we can we can confirm with them if so desired. But, you know, basically what we've
ident identified in the RFP are miscellaneous projects. You know, we've itemized some of those. In his comments to me, the specificity wasn't necessarily required by the banks. Um, but if the council desires to kind of
limit how, that's certainly something they can do through that resolution. But to answer your question, yes, this will need to go before them. In my conversations with the consultant today, uh he seems to be in a position to make a recommendation for us to wait until that first meeting in December to take
it to council. Uh identify all of the actual costs, get all the paperwork ready for execution by the CRA board with the contingency of the resolutions being passed by the council in December. Uh there are some advertisement requirements uh for the debt issuance
and in that we will have to notify all taxing authorities in writing and we will also have to publish this uh in the local paper uh for a period of no less than 10 days prior to that council meeting. So the notification do you have
to go or you or if you're not with us at that time somebody have to go before them and literally get an approval or do you just have to notify >> just a notice similar to like when we did our redevelopment plan update we sent them a formal notice via certified mail notifying them of the the meeting
and the debt issuance um position. Okay. >> All right. >> And the financial covenants and reporting, I mean, I don't see an issue with any of that. I mean, we'll probably have that readily available in the debt
service coverage is probably well exceeded 1.25, but >> yeah. And I will tell you that, you know, in that balloon payment, it was a little shocked because that's not we what we had requested. he has reached out to PNC Bank to see if that was, you know, a typo, if there was some
misunderstanding, uh, and if there are any opportunities to change that to an additional debt payment relative to a balloon payment. Obviously, as we, uh, move forward and have discussions about a second debt issuance, that balloon payment may affect that cash flow coverage ratio.
So, you know, in his position, I won't speak for him, but based on our conversation, he seems to be uh recommending, you know, the bank or at least exploring the option of reducing that balloon payment by the extension of one additional annual debt payment uh to kind of level out that uh that cash
flow. And so at this juncture basically you know what I need is whether you all want to move forward uh with the procurement of this debt. Nothing will be finalized until you all execute the documents and then ultimately as the council blesses
that through resolution. >> Okay. I have a question for Clay. So, um, if we approve this and the city council approves this and we move forward on it and the state says, "Okay, we're going to reduce property taxes amount,
>> where does that leave us?" >> City's required under statute to continue funding the CRA at a level that is sufficient to cover its debt issuance and obligations until those debts are satisfied. >> So, I it's it's rel I mean, it's really
straightforward in that sense. Now what we don't know is what the implementation language of any amendment adopted at the legislative level would look like. Certainly you got the same article one section 10 from both the US constitution
and Florida constitution that says no law of state may impair contract and this or an obligation. These are defined of this litany of old cases talking about it. But more importantly, the legislature is going to have to act that I want to just be very clear.
If they pass a constitutional amendment that reduces property taxes and the way that we're talking, we're not talking about adding another exemption in small form. We're not a major change. If that happens, it's like a lot of constitutional amendments we've seen
over the past 10-15 years. They require legislative enactments to go through it. Marijuana probably being the biggest one. You had a constitution amendment go into effect talking about that was proposed about that. Well, it would have taken years of legislative changes to
address that. Um class size amendment was a big one. School district dealt with that. There's a lot of implementation language. The example I use at the city council 1968 was the major constitutional revision was the constitutional revision commission came forward. That's when home rule was
established. We eliminated these courts. We did all these things in the state of Florida. The home rule statute while there were certain things done in 70. 73 is really the year where all home rule complications came in. That's five years after that constitutional amendment. So
what I would say is not only do I think there's going to be a reasonable sunset built into a statuto language, I think there's going to be a reasonable period of time before you would be able to see actual changes in the revenue streams down. Now the other question becomes
if that passes is there going to be a requirement that the state find a way to deal with the funding of that in the end? If that's the case, we may automatically know where the money's coming from. state ups the base sales tax in the state of Florida. You may see that day one. So I I would say that we
would be obligate we would have an opportunity we'd be able to pay it but we have an opportunity to address these with the issuer but ultimately the city's not on look for it. The face of the bond has to say the city state nor the political
subission include the county is on the hook for it. So, um I will touch briefly on that kind of final payment issue, that lump sum, that balloon. Um
I I'm I'm really shocked to see that. Um I'm not going to speak for Jeremy whatsoever. Uh I will say that it is really uncommon to see that provided to this kind of debts.
So, what it tells me is that was either one incredibly intentional or more likely there was a fundamental misunderstanding of what was being presented and that that's probably not what it should be. And it would not be the first time I've gotten a quote from a financial
institution or governmental entity that when they said, "Hey, this doesn't make sense. Why would you do this? Nobody's proposing this." They said, "What do you mean?" Oh, that shouldn't be there. And it's legitimate. It's just it just passed off one person's desk to another.
So, we'll see is what I would say. I would pause and wait um to see what that answer is um for sure because I don't think you can accept um with that in there would be my comment. But I'm not
worried about Mr. Chairman whatsoever that we would be in a position at this point. If we did, we are going to have debt service all over the state of Florida in major. >> So if we if we approved it, we would approve it just to pass it along to the
city council to let them approve it and then hopefully in that time period we could get them to correct this. Is that what you're thinking or how you >> If you wanted to do it, my recommendation if you wanted to go that route would be to approve it subject to the 1.2 2 million balloon being modified
to reflect either an additional annual debt payment, an extension of long-term or an other or some other form of financing alteration to remove that and account for it separately. Um, and then recommend city council that with that
change, you would want that. Um, obviously I do think based on what we're looking here, especially from PNC, we're going to need to identify what we're doing with it though. So I mean it looks like it said I mean on the front page um that Mr. Knelt sent to us it says be
used to finance the redevelopment of Lakeyard amphitheater alleyway improvements and other various capital improvements as approved by CRA board in talking with bond council and talking to Mr. Irvin, it's my position that because we're going to be asking the city
council to approve this and the specific projects the and other various related capital improvements um probably need to be specified at this time. >> Okay. >> We don't need we don't need to get into an argument where we can't fund a project that the bank thinks we're doing
because the city council says no later. So other so we got lakeyard amphitheater alleyway improvements and the and other various cabin improvements >> I'd identify one or more things in lie of that or none if you think it's just amphitheater and alleyway improvements
but it's up to you but I I definitely think you should specify these are the projects we're going to step up. Yeah, I think one thing we have a challenge with is we don't we don't know the price of you know alleyway improvement seems to be a little bit more defined but this
the amphitheater we don't have a price yet for it so we got to estimate a price CA project that's one we could certainly you know where where we are on that is is kind of >> yeah I mean I would say thinking about some of these
more costly projects you are the ones we're specifying. Um, you know, the multi-million dollar projects. We have a general idea through our planning consultant about the amphitheater. I think DAG is is going to give us some
very high level uh numbers tonight. uh hypothetically speaking, you know, it's really really difficult to determine that um exactly, but you know, I think looking at those projects that you're going to need a lot of cash in order to execute the construction contract is what I would focus on if if I were to
make a recommendation to you. Certainly, the outlay improvement project being right now the early stages in excess of 4 million would eat up a large percentage of that money. Um, and you know, with the the changes that may come
that that may end up exceeding, you know, that that $5 million. So, it's it's hard to really say until you get to that number at at bid. But, you know, I would think having a couple of large projects in there like the alleyway and the amphitheater gives you some opportunity um for both of those. Uh,
one of which is probably going to end up consuming. >> Yeah, seems like majority that those two we could go with those two specifically. No other per this and we still would be probably eating up all of it. >> Yeah. And I will say in my conversations
with with Jeremy in in his conversations with the banks, I think a lot of the concern that the banks expressed to him was just that we don't really know where we are with that. We are in the process of defining that. Therefore, we haven't identified
our actual need. or just kind of forecasting based based on conceptual plans or or conceptual thoughts. Um, so I think that's a lot of it. Um, and and the hesitation and and that very well could be why that balloon payment is in
there like it is. Um, I can tell you that Jeremy did reach out to PNC Bank uh to clarify that and hopefully we'll get an answer. Uh, but he asked that very specific question um of them. So, so hopefully we can we can get that answer pretty quickly. Just quick question. So
there's if we put, you know, the two that are on here and then the cultural arts center and whatever else we want to put on there, there's nothing saying you have to spend one million on this, two million on this project, one and a half on this or even saying you have to spend money on all of those. That's just an
opportunity. Those are the ones we might spend money on. So would it not would it not be smart or make sense to take the big capital improvement projects we already have now and just put all those on that list just as a like a safety net
to where if we get to a point where one of those is ready to move forward, we've got the money to actually get something done. >> Yeah. you know, and Clay can weigh in on this, but I I think adding a redevelopment project that does not require council approval, in other
words, 27 Crescent Drive, we have the unilateral ability to make those improvements. So, I I think it's something to think about adding that um to that request from the council to approve that. I mean, Clay may say
otherwise, but you know, those are just some thoughts that come to mind. Uh I think ultimately as we get through the pre-closing documentation and goes through not only our our bond council but also the bank's bond council there may be some parameters that they
identify that we need to include at that time of execution. One of which may be hey we need to further define these projects. Um but as it stands today, we we have some flexibility in that those two projects are, you know, projects
that relate to city- owned property that's going to require their approval anyway. So I I think heading down that path with what we have will certainly go a long way if I were to make a recommendation. >> The next question is, do we have to identify those before we move forward with saying yes, we want to do this?
>> I think it would be helpful because I agree. So, with that being said, if we want to do this tonight, we need to talk about it right now. And if we don't, then we need to punt it to the next meeting. >> Agreed. >> Yeah. And and you know, it's really up
to the timeliness of it. Um, you know, right now if you were to make a decision in the affirmative to move this forward, even with the conditions that have been mentioned, there has to be some work done in order to get to the formal documentation that you all will
eventually approve. Hopefully, uh, on the November 19th meeting, if you so move in that direction. Um, so it it's really up to you to to how long out in the future you want to you want to move this. We do have our meeting scheduled for November 19th as our next and final
CRA meeting that's scheduled. So if if you would like to get some more clarity, we can certainly bring this back to you then uh with with better answers and better definition. Um but as it stands right now, this is kind of what uh what we have on the table.
>> Well, that's not that long before our next meeting. Does it give us enough time to ask the city council for that December 8th meeting? >> I think so. >> If we have enough time, I would say
let's clearly get it right if we don't have enough time. I mean, you know, otherwise we're going to get into January, February, where we're going. >> So, in in speaking with bond council, uh I was made aware that there is a 10day
publishing requirement for notice. Yep. Um where you know that would have to be advertised in the defian Herald uh or similar. Um so thinking about the November 8th meeting date um the Herald doesn't run until next Wednesday. So I
don't know. Um >> would you say November 8th? You said December. When are you talking about going? >> We talked is it maybe I had the wrong date wrong date. Whatever. >> December. We got plenty of time. November. was what me and Josh had kind of talked about with we're going to run into too much of the holidays
>> to kind of get, you know, to try to ask the council. We want to make sure we have enough time and that's what we're talking about that first December meeting, >> which is December 8th. >> Yeah, that's what I was. So, if we could get it clear and line it
up and let the board decide whether you want to move forward or not based on all these projects that we're talking about November 19th, is that right? And then and then go to the city council. Yep. >> And do the publications. >> I think that makes makes more sense.
>> Yep. So, so what we could do is we could further define some of these questions uh or answer them, bring that back to you on the 19th. uh you give thumbs up, thumbs down. If you give thumbs up, then we'll go through the advertisement process. We'll get uh PFN and bond council to uh start working on that
documentation. Uh go to the council on December the 8th with the formal request and then at that point, we'll set the stage for the formal closing to take place. And it could be uh that you all schedule a special meeting sometime in December to formally execute those
closing documents. Um, and then as I understand the day after, a couple days after that, the money would then be deposited into our account. So, in other words, there's the pre-approval, then there's the city council approval, and then there is the official approval of
the closing documents and the and the debt execution. I think we could probably, you know, whatever the time period, if the city council approves on the 8th of December, then we could just probably set a meeting fairly quickly
after that. I would think that wouldn't mess with the holidays. >> Sure. >> I would think. >> Yeah. I think it'd be smart to wait because there's three of our projects on this agenda that we need to talk about. Uh, and then also the fire department because I know that some city council members are going to want that on there,
but after this meeting, >> sure, >> you know, we need to kind of make that decision anyway. >> I think we need to have all of that if the fire department is whatever's on there, let's get it on there. You know, if we can substitute the fire department
and, you know, do the Crescent Drive ourselves, do whatever. We It's going to be easy to get. It sounds going to be pretty easy to get to that $5 million number. We need to justify the $5 million number, then come back to this board >> and let's hopefully pre-approve or
whatever everybody wants to do and then we go to the next steps. >> Okay. Y and and I think that's prudent. If you look in that proposal, uh there there is the the bond council fee uh for PNC Bank that we'd be on the hook for regardless of whether we close or not. So, if you're going to head in that
direction to approve it and then something happens along the way, well, let's just say the bond um payment balloon is non-negotiable, uh then you don't want to move forward. Now, we have this this expense of bond council for the bank that, you know, we're just wasting away. So, I think
that'd be prudent to to wait until the November 19th. I agree with that. And >> I think it gives us plenty of time to find out whether it's non-negotiable or not because I mean Clay's sitting here saying that you don't need to agree to this. So hopefully it will be non-negoti I mean negotiable enough. If it's not, maybe we need to go back out with
another procurement. >> Look, right now with the way the rate market is, it's not going to be the worst decision if we have to wait and go back out just based on current lending market right now. Um some of these
government debt issuances just are not having a lot of traction. In fact, I would tell you that a lot of the action around government lending has somewhat come to a halt and that should not be surprising to anyone with the federal government shut down because a lot of the USDA backed loans and things like
that. The lenders that specialize in those know that they're under hold. So, they're not even looking at procurements from local governments right now because they don't know whether it's something that's speculative or not. So, I'm not I don't I think we have plenty of time. If we talk about this on the 19th, we will
run the advertisement for the city agenda so the city can take action of that agenda one way or the other if that's what this council elects to do. >> That's good. >> All right. >> Does that need to be a motion or >> All right. Uh
so we're going to let's see get an update on the amphitheater project. >> Yep. So the next item I have is an exciting update on our lakeyard amphitheater project. to our consultant, DAG Architects, is here tonight uh to provide you with some high level framework and some research that they've
done uh and have a presentation that they're going to walk through you with uh at this time. >> Excellent. >> Please state your name. >> Oh, I'm Levi Weaggan from DAG Architects. With us tonight, we have Steven Nicholson, the PM. We have Michael Ecklad who's with Okonnell doing
the land planning, civil and structural. And then we also have Hannah Rutherford who's one of our designers. And like Josh shared, you know, it's a pleasure to just get here and share where we're going with it. This process is slow because every step that we're taking, we're making sure that we're, you know,
stewarding the responsibility of it. And so I think today is just really to kind of highlight, you know, where we are, what we're working on, and where we're going with it next. Um, we have the clicker here. It is excellent. Let's see if it plays with us nicely.
There we go. All right. So, we kind of broke the presentation down this evening into the, you know, we've listened and this is what we learned. This is what we've been doing on the side to research it, research it. These are the studies that we're doing regarding a specific location and a specific project and then
where we want to propose this. And so, I'm going to kind of run through it quickly because I know there's other items on the agenda and I want to make sure that I give some time for the team to get up here. But just from a proposal standpoint, you know, you released us for phase one. Um, so we are in the
middle of task three is kind of where we are. Um, you know, there is certainly more involvement with the community and final clarification on what the design is and what that deliverable is. Um, but you know, we started with these interviews and so many of you, we
actually interviewed all of you. If you remember that, it was a pleasure. It was great speaking with you. We also met with a number of the uh city council, you know, all of the effectively the boards for the lakeyard and the rest of that, the downtown commission. And then we also got into a public workshop where
we had um I think we had 12 participants. We spent over an hour and a half there talking through it. Some of you were here with us on that. And then we also did an online survey which had almost 200 participants. And so what I think that begins to reflect is, you know, there is a consensus growing and
there is a lot of input and it's not Bag's ideas. It's not Okonnell's ideas. It's not, you know, this board's idea. It really is what is the community looking for. And so all this is in your packet and you can take some time to go through that. But what I wanted to sort of like highlight is just high level
what we take away from this. In general, most people and most of the community is looking for the ability to see the water from the audience. And how we create some sort of a fixed roof with an operable background or we leave the background open, you know, that is
something that everybody seems to agree to. Um, small and large size events is another big thing. So, this has to be very flexible, lots of programming opportunities. Um, and also year- round use. You know, the success of this is is it being used? the seating design. Um,
right now it's all fixed seating. If you've been out there, there is a effort to have sort of a lawn and open seating and then limited fixed seating. This will help with the ticket events. It'll also help catering to different, you know, demographics, but then it also creates more of a park feel which
enhances your lakeyard. The shade design, everybody feels like, you know, in the middle of the day it's impossible. And so, you have to find some way to bring some comfort. And so, that's going to be an item. And then interestingly, you know, we talked quite a bit about the bathrooms and the
facilities, the amenities. Some of you all we talked about, you know, whether or not there was a concession, you know, how many toilet fixtures are we providing? What is the quality of those? Um the consensus is to move them away from the lakeface and put them up on the street. That's being driven by sort of a
concern about security. It's also about access. It's also about maintenance. It's also about, you know, you're pumping all of that up the hill if you put it on the street. And so one of the things that creates for us is an opportunity to, you know, build that sort of streetscape. You know, what is the curb appeal and then also do it in a
way that doesn't block the view of the lake because that's something that was very concerning about if you put a big building on the street, what does that do? So we're kind of looking at that. Um, so sort of highlighted those areas there. Um, do want to just touch base on
things like accessibility, the sound, the bathroom requirements. you all that is code elements that we're going to have to address. We touched on that a little bit later. But one of the things that we created from this was sort of a scorecard because our goal is to have, you know, let's say three concepts for you to review. Well, how do you evaluate
them? And so we've identified those categories that to be successful, we have to meet them. And with that, you know, all of the designs that we would propose, we would hope meet this or exceed what's being asked of that solution. So, with that, I'm going to
just turn this over to to these guys and let them talk. I'll be available for additional conversation a little bit later, but I think it'd be great. >> All righty. Hello, everybody. All right. So, to begin our process in designing, we need to do some research and really understand the site and what
best works. So, we started with the stage orientation. And from all of this, we ascertained that the best stage orientation would be the northwest direction. So reducing glare and all of that and shade structure for the um audience. And then we go on to stage size. So we
study small, medium and large. And of these sizes, the best one is the medium stage which about 775 square ft. This is best to really allow for flexibility of um opportunities. So then of the stage types, we looked at
multitude of them and the best really does seem to be the open stage, which is what is currently there. It really allows for the max use of um seating and view orientation. And then seating types. This is also something that exists there that we can
extrapolate on which is the radius row. Continuing that max seating and view orientation. So this becomes the fixed versus lawn. So, we were really looking at the 25% fixed and 75% um lawn ratio and kind of seeing if we
move the seating to the back and the lawn to the front, how does that interact and vice versa. So, this is existing shading morning, noon, afternoon. And then from that, we kind of started to study what would be the opportunities of putting something up next to the road, increasing the
natural vegetation and then also dispersing architectural structures. There >> everybody. All right. So then we move on to you know the fun stuff code requirements which like as Levi touched on is something that we have to implement into design anyway. So we
started looking at if we have fixed seating how much seating is that what is our plumbing fixture count going to be looking at the current state of the structure that it is. You know it was built back before we even had wind loads that were incorporated into code. So, we know that we're going to have to make sure that it, you know, meets a risk
level three category and and and meets wind loads as well. So, and so what we studied, so this is the existing amphitheater as it sits right now. So, as of right now, one of the biggest takeaways is noting
that there is zero designated lawn seating for this. This is all fixed seating essentially right now. Um, it's underutilizing the radius. uh we could have more seating allowable with it and as we showed in the in the shading as well. It already has the correct orientation for the optimal uh sun
angles as as we have it. And this is just some asbuilt drawings that we went out did our due diligence. We went and measured the existing slab and facilities and services for the building and came to the conclusion that everything is undersized to either meet a medium-sized age and we do not have
the facilities for the people for the restrooms and the services as well. So we looked at stage studies. So right now the current conditions is we kind of have a saddle bag scenario for the stage. We have the services on either side with a corridor that's you know
connecting the two. We've got from everyone that we want to blow out the corridor. We want to view the lake. So we're looking at keeping the saddle bags on the side but making them larger to be able to have the facilities and restrooms if possible on the sides. or looking at a clear stage where we blow out the saddle bags completely, opening
up the view completely to the lake and getting cross ventilation for the performers and just overall better aesthetic from from the curb appeal. Oh, and then sorry I went too far. And then enlarged as well where we're going to enlarge the stage to kind of meet that more medium stage uh size that
requirements. That way we can have better usage and flexibility for the stage when it comes to different venues, events, and things like that. And then our seating studies. So we looked at like Hannah was saying earlier, we looked at the fixed versus the lawn seating. And then what would be
best? Would it be better to have the lawn up front with the fixed toward the back, you know, or vice versa? Lawn in the back fixed in the front or having a kind of a dispersed layout of the fixed and the yard to kind of give it more of a, you know, not so much of a
symmetrical layout. And then this is the service area studies. So, this is where we looked at doing the saddle bags and enlarging them, keeping on the side of the stage, or moving them up towards Circle Drive, which was kind of the consensus that we got from all the surveys and everybody's feedback. And then we also even looked
at entertaining and moving it across the street because we know that there's some buildings over there that aren't really being utilized. And we thought about that as well. So, this is just showing you that we've we're considering all the possibilities. And then the shade studies. So, we're looking at, you know, whether we want to
have some type of canal lever that wraps over the stage that creates, you know, more more of an architectural shade type or do we want to go with more of a natural tree shading over to like the the west of the the seating area or having some architectural shading that's
dispersed without or within the seating areas or doing what we've talked about with some people with some uh shade sales that could be, you know, um temporary that can be brought down during the case of like a storm event, a hurricane. coming, things like that.
There we go. Clicker is not clicking with me. And what we propose, so one of the important things before we move on to that is that I want to say that the propose is kind of with everything that you've seen, we've kind of created a kit of parts now, which will make it a lot easier for us to look at the design and
the different concepts and how we can kind of approach it as a plug-andplay scenario. So we that way we can meet the and accomplish all the goals of the project that were set forth in the beginning and the criteria from the from the survey. >> Before you jump into that, I think there's like the shade is one of those components, right? So how are we solving
shade? The seating is another one of those, you know, whether it's the long seating or the thick seating, the elements of that, the stage is another component and then the amenity or the services that support it. And so those are the four kind of like parameters of it. And then you know our thought is that you will just exchange the pieces
until we find the right combination that meets those goals. Also our hope is you there some of the things that are brought up which is just the cost management and the rest of that. You know maybe some of that gets phased. You know if you know that okay this is what we want to do in the end. Well here's the lawn and the stage and now it's operable. Well now next year you don't
need to do the shade. You know the following year we upgrade the bathrooms. It lets us roll that out and kind of bake into the the whole project life cycle a little bit of logic on that. >> Thank you, Levi.
>> And then Michael, actually I was going to get you to speak upon this sir. >> Uh good afternoon. I'm Michael Okonnell Associates um subconsultant to DAG. Um so what we looked at here uh were three different versions of really a good
better best shade layout from a structure standpoint integrating the streetscape with the uh the space for the amphitheater. So the maximum fan would be um you know some kind of transition that pays homage to the architectural character within the downtown area. A lot of gingerbread um
opportunities for additional seating underneath that especially along a back area that could be paved. Um but really just trying to draw in what could be a u a focal point for the entry to the amphitheater. Um and certainly paying um
working with the the restrooms and things like that that are up near the deck to not only create opportunities for controlled access uh but really to just define that space a little bit better. Um also understanding the permeability issues we would have that elevated to some degree. So, shade, um,
per visual permeability and controlled access. Uh, the middle one, uh, the minimum fan shape, we're looking at that as really just defining that area with some additional trees. That's obviously very characteristic of the the lawn area, still providing opportunities, um, for identifying places for controlled
access, but really increasing the visual permeability and relying really on nature to provide that shade. Um, if we go back to a few slides, you will recall that the side of the shade or this side walk over here real fast. This side of the um
the amphitheater is already pretty shaded because of the existing trees that are there, especially for the afternoon. Um and then the uh the one on the right hand side um think of that as the middle one. Um it's really shrinking the size of the shade structures um along the back uh but still defining
that space and allowing that visual permeability. So again, good, better, best options there. Thanks. All right. And then so moving forward, we just basically took our kit aparts and we've kind of amalgamated and created two different kind of conceptual
design layouts. >> Yeah. Sorry, I was getting back in. >> Keep going. Go for it. >> Um, yeah. So, this is just kind of our example designs. We have two of these of the kits of parts of what we think kind
of best go together and kind of an also starting to take a stab at what that structure will look like shadewise. So for this one, we're looking at a fixed versus lawn ratio of 37.6 to 62.4 fixed lawn with that seating put to the back
closer to the circle drive um services. Whereas you could also put the service plazas right next to the stage um saddle bag, but just moving them off the stage. Those are kind of the two that we saw as the best options. And this combining it with that fan and a gazebo kind of
denoting that entrance. >> So with this layout, we basically have a roughly about 1,000 to,200 uh seating that we can do there. 500 for the fix near the rear and about 600 approximately in the yard based off the square footage
>> and removing that existing um roof structure and can levering it out. Kind of creating some more shade over the stage and you can kind of see it here views. So in this option we're taking away that middle aisle on that lawn and splitting
into three parts bringing the seating to the front and then the lawn into the back. Now, with this option, the seating does decrease um significantly because you're adding more lawn seating. So, this is about 900 possible seats, which you can add more fixed seating to the
back areas in one of the lawn areas to increase that as well. Um, and with this, it's starting to add in those architectural shade structures that emulate trees into that um park to kind of be cohesive with the park itself. So,
you have all that natural treecape and then it's this moment of, oh, I'm stepping into an architectural moment, but I still feel like I'm in a park. Um, and yeah, >> and one of the thoughtful characteristics of this layout, too, is from the performers aspect, you never
want to play into a central aisle basically. So, by creating this kind of three-piece lawn seating right here, you eliminate that center aisle that comes all the way up to the stage. So, they no longer feel like they're performing to an empty space essentially. So, you know, it works. It's It's also about the
performer, but it's also about who's the audience as well. So, >> so in the green, is that going to be like grade? It's not going to be is it going to be slipping down or is it going to be a grade like where people could play football and stuff? >> It'll be a slope along >> it be like a a steep slope or just kind
of like a gradual >> minimum slope. Yes, it'll have to be minimal slope because all this, no matter what, all the circulation you see, all that has to be 88. Is there a place like you got, you know, like when the performers u because I guess I I'm not seeing it where they can
change and stuff. Is that >> So the service spaces are bathrooms, green rooms, mechanical, electrical rooms. We're just calling it services is like one one umbrella term essentially. So yeah, essentially the saddle bags could have the green room down there. The restrooms could be at the top of the
hill. And so we haven't really worked out the massage the the exact details of, you know, where this room lies and what is it, you know, as of yet. >> Well, I mean, I know that, you know, with especially with Fourth of July and stuff, a lot of our performers, they are
set up and then they need to change and I'd hate to see them have to go a thousand feet. >> Ideally, we would think they would want to be by the stage. If you move the bathrooms up the hill, then the space that's currently the bathrooms underneath it becomes your green room. So you have that immediate access next to the stage. And so again,
about the like, you know, depending on which solution you're getting the same parts, we're just relocating where they are. So like in this one, the the gray boxes on either side, the left and the right, those one of those would be your green room and one of those would be your AV room. And so you'd have all
your, you know, lighting, sound components, the power needs, and then you'd have that. Um, one of the suggestions that came up in our survey and then again in one of our interviews was about having like a a kiosk that could serve as like renting bikes down there or paddle boards at the lake.
Well, if you remove the bathrooms from the backside, you could actually turn that into a little service kiosk that could be, you know, a revenue generator. And so the where we are right now is sort of there's dozens of really great
ideas and so we need to tease through which ones are actually most fruitful and then how do you solidify those as a concept? >> All right. Thank you. So then >> to show >> just so again, you know, we really do
think that the the view from the street, that's what these pictures on the right are. You know, if you're in Circle Drive looking down, >> there's a fantastic opportunity to brand the lakeyard and to create something that the community would be proud of. And so part of what we're hoping that this discussion is is just to
>> to get permission to keep going. you know, I guess that would be the the sort of thing because um I think that there's a lot to do there. So, the last slide on there was just to sort of where we are and what we're doing next. So, we have a meeting with the county building department, which is basically just to
confirm what they've already told us about there was no building code when this was done. So, everything in the chief plan will have to be updated to the current code. Even there's the 50% criteria and all these things that I know you all have dealt with before, but that is something that we're dealing with. So in all those schemes, we're
keeping the stage platform as a cost-saving effort, but then we're going to be putting new foundations, new columns, new roof structure that meets the wind load. And so that's safety concern, that's a maintenance concern, you know, all those things. That's the right decision. Um meeting with water management meeting with them to
determine, you know, where we are in terms of storm water management. The current proposal is that there's an existing impervious area and then so we only have to manage what we add and so that's limiting that cost. Um we have a meeting scheduled with the public which
will be November 13th and that's intended to present concepts is where we would be with that and get sort of feedback about you know what does it look like you know what makes it different from the act the rest of it and then we'd be back here November 19th to go and present what that has has
yielded I guess you know here's your concepts and if you approve that then we would try and be on the city council board to present you know probably two concepts that are refined at that So, >> questions, comments, thoughts?
>> Looks good. >> I love I love the idea of being able to piece together. I love this idea, but not this one. Let's do that. Um, I think really it's just a matter of getting into that public meeting and getting more feedback. >> So, it's not our ideas, it's,
>> you know, their ideas. >> And that is, you know, it's great because there is so much involvement. I know that it's kind of like, oh, you know, there's there's 200 surveys and there's however many thousand in the community act, but I think that's actually a really great
ratio and the fact that from that we were able to kind of narrow it down to, you know, sort of six key ideas, that's really rewarding for the community and I hope that both you as a board and the city council and everybody that's participated feels that. It's good. and and board while he's come up if I
can just clarify. So I wanted them to come tonight to present this to you prior to our public workshop because I I certainly didn't want to take something to the public to get input on if you disliked what they have produced thus far. So that's that's kind of the ask tonight. Do you like what we have here?
Is this something you're comfortable moving forward at a public workshop to get further input on? >> Is every board member okay with this? >> Yeah, Todd, I'm here strictly as a citizen. Um, I wanted to mention I noticed in some of
the drawings, um, wanted to make sure that there was plenty of fly space, especially for hanging large PA rigs. If we're going to have a touring type concert come through and they're going to be hanging 16 to 20 uh, boxes of line array on either side of the stage, I want to make sure that there's plenty of
fly space there. So 25 ft seemed a little low, but I don't know what the typical standard is, but I just wanted to make sure that we we kind of think think through those type of things. >> Definitely be put in consideration because we're going to have acoustic engineers involved with working with the sound and levels and things like that as
well. So that'll help drive the design once we get into the more refined refining of it all. >> Yeah. And then I I know I mentioned this before, making sure that we um because I know that this is run in some other projects that I've been on, making sure that we engineer for adequate amount of dynamic load. So obviously when they
hang those those line arrays or then anything on the backline, so like an LED wall or something like that, you're talking 10 to 20,000 pounds worth of dynamic load that could easily be on the back line. So we want to make sure that we engineer not only for enough fly space, but dynamic load across the
entire stage area. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. And any other comments while we're at it? >> All right. Thank you. Looks great. >> Oh, that's what it is. >> Thank you. Appreciate
>> you guys. And for the public's sake, we'll have this document uh posted to our website uh tomorrow in advance of that workshop to give the public an opportunity to take a look at it before that meeting. So hopefully the public can come prepared to have uh some conversations about.
>> All right. So moving on to the next item, I have the presentation of the second draft historic preservation design standards uh and a request to approve invoice 6-27011 free for payment. Uh so with that, I'm going to ask Miss Samantha Smith with
JMT, our consultant, to come up and uh provide the presentation on the draft standards. While she is doing that, I do want to make the board aware that we took this to the council on Monday night, got some input. We had a public workshop last night where we got some input. Uh so
essentially where we're at now uh is kind of presenting these to you all with uh a recommendation to move forward to final draft after implementing or incorporating the comments that we received for the second draft period. In our scope of work, we do have only two
drafts uh in there. I feel based on where we are based on the input that we've gotten thus far uh that the document appears to be acceptable. Um is it going to be the final document? I don't believe so. But what we will receive from them is a deliverable in
the form of a final draft. Keyword being draft. There have been some desires expressed by the city uh to utilize this document and maybe move it through some of their channels. So, I I would say hopefully uh here by the end of the year, you all will be in a position to receive that final draft to approve,
close out this project, hand it off to the city, and let them do whatever they desire with it. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you, Josh. So, Samantha Smith with JMT. Um this is just going to be a brief presentation just to go over some of the major changes we made between the first
draft and the second draft. One of the largest being we brought three documents with the first draft. So now they've been combined into one. Um as well as reduced in size in terms of not having an existing chapter and a new construction but one for both.
Uh we also through talking to stakeholders added a new section that goes over financial incentives and makes a clarification on there is two districts. There's a local and a national with the same name. So if you want a federal credit you need to be in the national boundaries. So making that
more clear for any property owner. So here are two of the pages taken from the financial section and again the we added a map in the appendices that um goes over the national boundaries versus the local.
The largest change being a re redoing of the whole uh design standards chapter making it a little bit more condensed and precise to also include more diagrams and imagery. So the left imagery is from the first draft and on the right is the second draft. So this
being an example of signage. Um another thing we got feedback on was that our boxes of appropriate may be appropriate and not acceptable was too strong verbiage. So we've now turned it into just best practice boxes with a com combination of all three of those.
So, as you see on the right image, just a best practice box as well as some text to go over the um the standard itself and the following page is very diagrammatic and so property owner could just look at that and circle what they wanted to do and bring that to Chris Wallace or the planning department um in
order to move forward with their COA process. Uh we also had a lot of comments on our chapter on substitute materials and that it could be a little bit restrictive and confusing. Um so we worked in the second draft to add more conversation about
substitute materials for each section and then providing talks with uh providing cross-sections in this case of windows to identify that maybe it's more important to discuss profiles and proportions and how that architect how it helps your architectural style of
your building and how that's a little bit more important than saying you have to use this material. So, as Joss mentioned, um we are looking to extend open for any comments or concerns uh to give to me by November
8th and then JMT will come up with the final document presenting hopefully or providing it in January and I could just we could go on as like a virtual presentation to present that to you. You will have the word document. Um you can do with it what you would like and then bring it toward the city council uh or
whatnot. So, and then again, like all this information is still on your website. So, if you need access to that, any of the presentations, any of the drafts, um, I was also going to give Josh a comment matrix if anyone actually wants to go through and like page 10 this or
whatnot, you can provide that to me as well or just email. >> All right. Thank you. >> Um, Lord, do I have any comments or >> I think Yeah, this is great. Um, I just want to reemphasize the CRA does not
make policy. We don't write code. We don't enforce code. Uh, there's already code. I think it's 1855.1. >> Look at me go. Um, that already has the historic standards. This is just a visual representation. I think it's a
great tool uh for planning to be able to use and just kind of streamline things. So, >> I agree what you said. I agree. It's a huge tool to have this guide book. I mean, you know, so thank you. >> So, as part of this agenda item, I do
have a request to approve that invoice 6-270113 for payment in the amount of 6,665.7. This brings the total bill amount to $46,317 representing 82.3% value. >> Motion to approve. Second.
>> Motion and a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I all those no motion carries for. >> Thank you for that. So the next item I have here is request direction on propos tree removal grant guidelines. As you may recall there were two income based
grant programs that this board approved. Um one being a tree removal where we would fund 100% for hazardous trees. In that particular guideline uh there is a requirement for obvious signs of rot or decay. Uh unfortunately I received an application uh from an applicant at 13
Oaklan Square who had a number of trees that were leaning toward her property. Very mature pine trees. Uh we did have a couple arbors come out look at it and unfortunately didn't find any rot or decay but but did agree that they were leaning toward her home and in the event
of a storm or major wind event likely that they could cause some substantial damage to their home. So, I'm simply uh asking for a revision there, a direction on a revision that I made to add an or after and to allow for trees that are close or or in in danger of falling on
the home to to qualify. I'll give my words. >> Okay. So, we need we need an action for this. All right. >> We do. >> Does uh anyone want to make a motion? >> I'll make a motion to approve those changes. >> Second. >> We got a motion in second. Any discussion?
>> Okay. I was and then that still has to be as defined by an arborist, not just it looks like it's >> Yeah, exactly. We still have to have an arist. We still have to hire the arist and all that. So, yes, absolutely. >> All right. Any other comments questions?
Okay, another discussion. Um, second vote. All in favor say I. >> I. >> All oppose? Nay. Motion carries 40. >> All right. Thank you for that. Uh, so the next item I have is request direction on the executive director applications. Uh so we did advertise this uh subsequent to our last meeting.
We received a number of interested applicants, some of which that provided resumes only. Uh in your packet, your printed packet, there are those printed applications. Uh for those that did apply, there were roughly a dozen or so resumeumés that were sent without an
application. On the city's website, it clearly states that in order to be considered for employment, you must fill out a city application. So I did not bring those forward to you in the event that you want them. I can certainly provide them but they didn't meet the criteria as far as I was concerned. Uh so I did not include those within in
your packet or those that did meet that requirement. >> You I we did receive one after the time too. So that one was disqualified. >> That's correct. >> I'm going to go and recuse myself from this conversation because I'm one of the applicants. >> That is appropriate.
>> Does he need to sit in the audience or is it good? >> He can sit up here. Technically, the recusal was as to a vote, but I appreciate he is also taking the diligent effort of announcing it now and indicating he will not participate in the discussion. >> Sounds good. All right.
So, we we've got three of us here. So, you two need to tell me what y'all want to do. >> Do we get >> what is appropriate just to say move forward with interviews or >> we could name someone? we could uh as the
>> basically decide what your process what you want to do. I mean you can go so far as to just saying hey I like this candidate out right now and >> I want to move forward but it's really up to you. I mean you can hire however you see fit at this level. >> Well I think we need time to be able to
go through these applications before we can make that kind of decision tonight. Do y'all want to um does someone want to do one of y'all have the desire to be the liaison going over this and and
you know kind of come we can do whatever I mean it doesn't matter >> I mean you can each review them and come back and be willing to discuss them. What do you want from staff in terms of I mean do you want some kind of grid to work on? Do you want us to work up a
scoring rubric? Tell us what you would like to see from us. And I work with Mr. Urban who's not going to be here that much longer. Um, but we will present what you need to have everything you do need or don't need.
Um, all right. Y'all got any any quick comments on this? >> I mean, it probably I think it would be ideal to vote at the next meeting. That's what I would say. >> Yeah, I'd like to have time to look through and read and >> we got this in.
>> Do we need until the next meeting? Can we not have a special meeting? We could do whatever. It's just we How long do we have to have for a special meeting? Just 24 hours. My understanding. >> The city code's very short. I would ask you to do 72 on something like this in an abundance of caution. The attorney
general says 48 to 72 is the recommendation, but you can do it in under 24 under the city code. What if we just give give ourselves two weeks or a week to review these? And >> why don't we say why don't we say the 12th?
>> Does that work for y'all? >> Why don't you go have a motion to set that date if it works any >> the 12th? >> Sumi, can you clarify the the the availability of this room? >> Yes, sir. is available. >> It is available.
>> Yes, sir. >> 5:00. Yeah. >> Yeah. Do we need to make a motion on that? >> Please. >> Motion to meet about the applicants on November 12th. 5:00. >> Second. And do we need to have a process for when for that date?
>> That's what y'all tell me. First, let's approve the date and then we'll just discuss it. So, we got a motion in the second. >> Um, any discussion? No. Uh, all in favor say I. >> I. Okay. Motion carries. >> What would you like to see at that meeting? Do you want to see a scoring
room? Do you just want to bring back your notes, comments, and decide at that point in time? Do you want us >> to ask applicants to be here for interview process? In which case, I'll need to develop questions. We just I mean when when we hired you,
we I'm trying to think. We didn't do a rubric. >> No, we just had questions, didn't we? >> Yeah. There was a formal interview process uh where the the board decided who they wanted to be on that panel. Um if I recall correctly, you had a member of the council on that panel and then a
member of the board on that panel. Uh and and they interviewed myself and another applicant >> and came back with a recommendation. So why don't we come back with your recommendations for who you would like to interview on this list if anybody >> So why don't we go ahead and send the
recommendations to Josh and then he can he can disclose it instead of >> you know what I'm saying instead >> we don't want to compile by consensus. I mean what it won't >> No I'm saying like Kathy can contact >> No no no no no we can't do that because here's the problem. What if Kathy wants
to interview two people you want to interview three. brute interview one. What are we gonna do? How are we going to balance that? Because Josh can't say, "All right, well, one of Kathy's was his one and that one
was yours, so that one gets an interview." >> I like it. >> Yeah. I mean, you could do that, but then what do you do with the rest? >> Reynolds doesn't get his >> You could absolutely. >> You get your You win. she loses because she's got >> there's five there's five applications
right >> you can ask everyone to come to the meeting >> and decide then >> and then go ahead and have those questions like you were saying >> what I would what you could do what we could do is if you wanted to say
that you will provide a written statement because we do have to have this like moralized this is who you've selected If you want to take time to review and turn in Mr. Urban or myself or both, these are the candidates I'd like to
interview. The way the city council's done in the past, if a council member wanted to give somebody an interview, that person gets an interview. We know we're not going to be interviewing more than five, and we're definitely not going to be interviewing less than one. I mean, if it's possible that everybody just want to interview one person. So, if you do
that, we would contact those people. We would have the similar question. We would have the questions set up from before available and we would go through the interviews at your November 19th meeting. >> November 19th or November 12th. >> 12, excuse me, 12th.
>> I I just say let's do all of them. Let's just go. >> You want to interview all five? >> Yeah. >> Let's have all all five of them come to the meeting. >> Well, you're going to interview all five. You got them coming. That's what I'm trying to decide. She's saying she wants to interview all five. >> Oh, before the meeting. No, at the
meeting. At the meeting >> because you you you'd have questions and stuff, right? Those and then we could ask other questions or >> No, we need to stay within approved questions. We don't like to ask like freelance question.
>> Yeah, >> everybody has to get the same. I remember that from some of these other >> Yeah, you can have some open-endedness towards the end, but ultimately um it'll be a brief presentation from each applicant and then a defined set of questions
and we'd work off what we've done previously. >> Could we do scoring matrix and then and then say the top two get interviewed? >> That's if that's what you want to do. I I think again I will say this in terms
of determining who to interview. I would discourage you from doing a scoring matrix for the very simple reason. The purpose of the interview is to decide whether somebody fits somebody you'd want to hire. What happens if everybody's number one on the scoring
matrix comes in here and bombs on the interview. You now have this question. Wait, I was ranked number one. How do I drop from number one to number five? Uh, what I'd say is it's a lot easier to just say these are the people I want to interview. Anywhere from one to five,
it's your discretion as a board member who you want to give an interview to. If one name appears on one person's list, that person gets an interview. So, every member, all three of you who are tasked doing this will get to interview anybody
you want. If Cathy says she wants to interview all five, she gets to interview. That's what we're about to go do. But what I would say is I think you're better off reviewing it, not year today, and sending a list. These are the people I want to interview. Now, if you definitively
want to do some kind of ranking system, we can do that. But we're going to need to generate that and you're going to tell me what we're evaluating that on. >> Okay. >> I I think it's a lot easier to tell me who you want to interview after you look at their application. >> If Kathy says she wants to interview all five, tells Josh that. Josh tells everybody all five. If Kathy says she
wants to interview three, I say I want to interview two. and he says he wants to interview one and they're all on the same end cover five. C >> could I maybe make a recommendation for you?
>> I would say that if you all want to review these applications until the 12th meeting, you may be in a position where you've identified there aren't any you want to interview. Um, I I think the fear is if if we go down this path,
Kathy may say, "I want to interview five." Bruce says he doesn't want to interview any. So, I think if if you take the time between now and the 12th to identify those you want to interview, then at that point, we'll know you. You all can debate that, have conversation at a public meeting, and then move
forward from there. >> So, then the 12th would just be discussing who we're interviewing. >> I I don't disagree. Mr. Irvin's take. >> I don't want to kick kick the can down. >> I don't disagree with this take. I'm just going to say that having gone through too many of these processes with the city, I think Mr. Henderson
remembers one he served on for city manager, >> that exact process begot a three-month process and the loss of four qualified candidates. I I just I I would say this. If you can't go through these applications, with all due respect to,
and I know we got great people up here, I know you can. But if you can't go through this and say, "These are the ones I want to interview for whatever reason, then say you don't want to interview any of them." That's perfectly fine. But your fellow board members have a right to hear from them. You may change your mind to that. You may not.
But you may also sit right here after you interview them say, "I didn't want to interview any of them and nothing changed my mind." And that's your right. So I want each of you to have your opinion. But I think if you give that back to us, review it over the next couple days. If you give it back by Monday, we can have people set up. If it
can be in person, great. If it can't be in person, >> so we can interview between now and that meeting. Anybody telling us you're going to review I want y'all to review these and say, "Who do you want to interview?" And everybody turn their names into Josh and we'll have that list.
>> And then the 12th will be interviews. >> That's right. >> Yeah. >> And then the people >> and then we'll make hopefully we'll make it season. >> Let me ask you this. Considering there are only five. Yeah. >> Uh would it be appropriate if we took a five or 10 minute recess for you to review those tonight and then come back
and say, "Hey, I want to interview X, Y, and Z." And then that way we have time to get them here on the 12th for them to interview. >> Then if they think that's enough time to go through them, I don't know if anybody's going through them. >> Yeah. I I' I'd prefer to be able to. I don't I >> I can email you tomorrow.
>> Can Can we Can we set would Would Would the end of day Friday be sufficient time? >> Yeah. How about that? Mostly that I mean that gets us 10 days minimum. >> Yeah. >> If we send that out on Monday asking for people >> they applied for a job. I mean I think
they'd be expecting a response within that period of time. >> Hey, look if somebody says they're not available, we'll let you know. >> And please send the list to commissioner. >> And and is it >> Yeah, we would feedback as well. I keep forgetting he was I should.
>> And it's this board conducting the interviews. That's the plan right now. Unless you tell the subs if they want. If you so choose. >> Watch. Y'all said previously y'all. >> No. Yeah. I mean like we're trying to. So any any interviews are going to be in
person in the in the meeting on the 12th >> by this board. >> So if there are any interviews >> unless you say otherwise. I mean it's entirely up to this board. They they were not conducted that way when I was hired. >> Yeah. I think I think I think I think we're gonna be good. I think let's do
that. Let's just go with that. And if anybody So if anybody says, "Oh, wow. I want to interview this guy. I want to interview this guy. I want I interview all of them." They have the right to say that and we'll go through that process on the 12th. I would personally like to
select someone on the 12th if we can. And if we can't, we can. So >> I mean but by the end of the night >> by the end of the hopefully 30 minutes. >> Yeah. >> So so let make sure I'm clear. So in the interim you'll be providing me with your
list of applicants that you want to interview. I will take that list um and I will work with city HR to schedule uh them to be here on the 12th meeting at 5:00 pm for you all to conduct formal interviews. Yep.
All right. Sounds good. >> I'm just thinking timing. If it starts at five, I mean, >> we could do it earlier. I mean, I'd be fine. Y'all okay. We We'd have to I know we have to do another vote, but could we do it at four? I mean, would that be better? >> You can do it whenever you want. >> Three. I don't know. Whatever. >> Set whatever time you want.
>> I How long would the interview safely last each one? Because it's a standard set of questions. So, it's not going to run >> again. That's entirely up to you. It could be one question if you wanted. I mean, >> well, we're I'll tell you, we're going to keep the question list relatively compact on something like this. We've
had very unwieldly question sets with city managers. We're going to try to keep it relatively compact. So, can we say when somebody emails Josh with who they want to interview or not interview? If they have questions that they put
those questions and then we compile Josh compiles those questions. We basically >> we'll ratify those questions. Yeah. We'll ratify it that everybody's getting the same questions in the group. >> Correct. >> Yeah. If you'll provide me with your
names and a specific question you would like to ask or questions, I will then forward that over to Miss Chance at HR, let her vet that, Clay, get him some time to review that and then we'll bring those compiled questions back on the 12th to be asked of the applicants that
you all choose. >> So, my suggestion would be that we have the meeting earlier, 3:00 or if you could. I know you have some things with yours. >> Oh, no. I can I can work around. >> You sure you going to be >> on the 12th? Yeah, I can work around. I'd suggest we have the meeting earlier if we can
>> that way. Is that okay with everybody? >> Is is the meeting still we're still good at like 3:00? >> Yes, sir. Let's go >> because if we can do three gives us plenty of time. We're not getting into it later. >> Sound good? >> Got it. Cool. So, >> do we need to make change make a motion to make that?
>> I think to schedule a special meeting, I think. So, >> yes. Okay. So, >> so a motion be to send a special meeting and to establish that is the process for establishing interview candidates and questions >> at 3:00. >> At 3:00 >> at 3:00 and you can >> on November 12th.
>> Motion. >> Second. >> All right. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I figured there was no more discussion. >> All righty. Thank you. Moving on along. So, I do have an update on the fire station renovations. uh further direction I received since our last
meeting. I did reach out to uh to Ankor, the other continuing services uh engineering consultant to see if they could provide a better price perhaps on that task for proposal. I did receive word back from them that they were in a very similar position as three notch group, the other continuing services uh
engineering consultant that gave us that proposal uh and and as such they really didn't didn't have any interest in providing uh an alternative quote. I did uh in the course of having conversations with Touchstone Architecture meet a
structural engineer by the name of Mr. Carson Hicks from structural engineering group. Uh he is doing work on our 27 Crescent drive building. I reached out to uh Three Notch provided that information. We did meet on site with him. Three notch group and I Mr. Hamilton was also there and essentially
what Mr. Hicks conveyed to me uh is that you know that building being it being a pre-engineered building of that age without any asbuilt drawings or any technical or structural specifications he would essentially be starting over with structural design uh for those
requested improvements to the building. So that's uh extending the bays and then bringing up to the current wind code for storm hardening purposes. So his recommendation was if you know you're going to go down that path, you're going to pay me to basically redesign
a building and I'm going to spend the same amount of time as I would building or designing a new building. So that was his recommendation. Uh I think that you know moving forward if you would like he's willing to do the work as is the other consultant pite out of Mon Georgia. So really just need some
direction from this board as to how you want to proceed on that. And I think honestly we've heard from multiple structural engineers now that have basically told us don't touch this building. Uh might be a better use of taxpayer dollars. If we hold off and then since the city took it off their
capital improvement list, we can readress this in three years and possibly build a new building for the same amount of money if not less. Significantly less. So it might be worth waiting. >> Yeah. Well, it's a political hot button issue
for good reason. So, I think, you know, I everybody just needs to understand we want to do everything we can do, but we don't want to waste money. At the same time, it something has to be done. So,
we do need some real direction here. And even if the even if the county took over, they'd get a place for the for the fire fire department to operate out of. So it's like sitting here in La La Land is not smart, I don't think. So I think
we need to really get some clear direction. So I think that has to come from the city council. Unfortunately, we don't know what they're they're still talking to Walton County right now and evaluating that as far as options are concerned. So, we don't even know where that's
headed. And I don't think it'd make sense to fix the building that the county might not even want. Um, that's why I was saying if we wait, you know, we wait the three years, we still have the fire department sitting here, we can go build a new building for less than what it would cost to possibly fix this one.
>> So, that would be we be building a building someplace else or in that same spot? >> It depends. I mean, that's really going to depend on the city because they have multiple properties. Uh, it's going to depend on the fire chief and where he thinks the best place for that's going to be. Um, I know there's space behind
the old armory building. I know there's other properties that the city owns, but that's going to be something they'd have to decide before we we touch it. That's where I think we need to kind of pump the brakes a little bit and be financially responsible and let the city
council make a decision before we try to throw money at something that we don't need to. So, do we want to ask the city council to give us some get on the agenda and literally ask them in the meeting to give us some direction on this?
>> Entirely up to this board. >> Is that what you guys would like to do? >> I mean, we we can, but I don't know if we can hurry up the process that's already started. Um, you know, I know I know Kobe's already talking to Walton County right I know that they're, you know, they're going back and forth. Do
you want to go in there and say, "Hey, we demand you to give us an update." >> Not only demand, but I think it we're going to be coming up with our projects here, and if it's going to be on the list for the projects, then we need to know >> because and but a new build can't be on our projects yet, right?
>> Correct. >> But a renovation, >> I'd say maybe have Josh reach out and just see if if he has any updates or if he anticipates which city c because that's go back to city council meeting to get the update. So maybe >> I mean I'd just say let them know that we are really interested in doing
something to help and but we can't do anything until we get direction from them. We're not forcing them to do anything. We're just saying a lot of people come come in here and express that they a lot of people think the CRA needs to be defunded because they're mad about the fire department. I'm just
saying let's don't get into this hot button issue. Let's just make sure they know we are trying to do everything. >> Why don't we ask this? There's a there will be a city council meeting between now and the December 8th city council meeting in which we would be presenting the actual bond issuance approval.
With that being the case, why don't we ask that at the next city council meeting, we ask the city council to offer guidance regarding their direction on the fire department. understanding they're not required to give it at that
point in time, but that that way we would have an opportunity include to consider that at our November meeting, our actual official November 19th meeting to for determination of to include that in our proposed bond package or not as the terms of a
project. Let them go. I mean, I think if you're going to if you were going to do this, I think waiting that long to ask, we're just going to run the two right on top of each other cuz how are we going to pay for it if we're doing I mean, it may well be that that's something that the city is saying we want this thing
renovated. Who knows what that's going to cost, but let's give them that chance to have that advice to us. And they can respectfully decline, by the way. That's their business, >> and that's fine. But at least we're going on the record telling them that we're we're here trying to help if they want.
>> And that would allow you to compile your list on the 19th if the debt issuance is an option. >> Correct. >> We just don't want to we don't want to stall and then we don't want to leave it off. I mean, we just want to we want to get some clarity. >> I answer that question on a weekly basis at this point, but Facebook messages, phone calls, what's going on with the
fire? >> I'm glad you're dealing with Facebook. I don't want to. >> It wasn't voluntary. They started messaging me. So >> that's just general direction then. >> So So basically what I'm looking at here, the next council meeting I believe is on November the 10th. So
>> I will go make that request on um a status and what they would like us to do. >> Sounds perfect. >> All right. >> All right. So, moving on to uh update on 27 Crescent Drive and request to approve
invoice 24-0255 for payment. I did receive and in your packet is a progress report from Mr. Touchstone at Touchstone Architecture. He is moving forward that formal design work. As I mentioned earlier, he met with the structural engineer to kind of see exactly what uh would need to take
place there as it relates to the building code. It has been determined that there will need to be a longitudinal beam placed there and a column to support that um that roof structure and then some miscellaneous improvements to the struct the trusses that are there. Now, additionally, it's
been determined that a sprinkler system will need to be installed. Um, so at this point, similar to where DAG is, is meeting with the building department to determine what those code requirements are going to be based on that occupancy. And hopefully we'll be able to be in a position to further define this design
and get something back to you for your consideration. >> All right. So, we need to approve this payment as much. >> Yep. And we need I need approval on that particular invoice. >> Motion to approve the invoice. >> Second. >> And a motion and a second. Any uh discussion?
If not, all in favor say I. I. >> All oppose say nay. Motion carries 40. >> Thank you for that. >> All right. So, the next item I have is an update on the Bowwin Avenue restriping project and request to approve invoice 14761 for payment. So, I did take concept E, which is the concept
that you all approved uh with the changes to the uh head-in parking on both the north and south side with the removal of the additional accessible parking spaces to the council on the 13th of this month. Uh I did get uh approval for them to move forward. So at this time that project uh design is
being finalized for construction documents. I would anticipate probably by the end of the year having those construction documents ready for bid as part of that contract. They are to help us with that construction procurement process. Uh so hopefully here by the end of the year you'll see that bid be uh be
ready and then obviously those documents for you to approve prior to that. Additionally, I do have that invoice that I need um uh approval for payment on. >> Motion to motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion in the second. Any discussion?
>> All in favor say I. I. Motion carries. >> All right. Thank you for that. Next item I have is an update on the downtownway improvement project. I do apologize that there aren't any deliverables in your actual packet. Uh but we do have our consultant here from uh anchor, Mr. Ron Osborne, who's going to present to you
the 30% design plans for that project. >> I might get some help. Get this plugged in. >> Right there. [Music] >> Perfect. Do you have it? >> There you go.
Yeah. There it goes. >> You want me to present? >> Yes, sir. >> So, we do have we do have 30% plans uh plans done right now. Um, one of the things I I did last week was walk the
walk the entire thing and I looked at a couple different things. One was for any kind of conflicts. I was kind of expecting to to to run into several conflicts with either things built in in the rideway that that shouldn't be that we'd have to deal with. Um but really didn't know other than an air conditioner convincer and a few trees
really didn't run into a lot. So that was um that was good news. And then one of the things I also looked at is where at each intersection where the where the alley is going to uh cross the the numbered streets right through there, we're going to have to have um it's going to have to be we're going to have
to have drainage. drainage is going to have to go through there and then um also all the sidewalks are going to have to be ADA accessible as as well. So walked all that got I think we got a good good plan to to design all all of that. Um so feel feel pretty good about
that about that moving forward. Um so right now um so we're about about 30%. So I I think u from a geometry standpoint I think we're we're in pretty good shape. I I feel really good about it. Now we now it's just a matter of um managing all the all the utilities, all
the underground stuff. So the the I'd say the above ground stuff is the is the easy part. The underground stuff is is the difficult part. We because we've got water, sewer, um electric, I think three different cable or um uh telecom um
things to deal with and gas and sewer. Um so in all that in 20t we've got to get it underground. So uh it's uh that that part's fun. It's going to take quite a bit of coordinating. So, one of the things that the city public works department is going through and doing right now and they're a little bit
understaffed obviously um is TVing this the sewer and the and the storm water so we know what's what's out there and we get connected to that. So, after after that's done, I don't have a timeline. They did say that's next on their on their to-do list. So, once that is done, we can kind of finish up that um that
design and kind of tie everything together and get everything everything going. Um uh based on based on what we find out from the city, we may need some additional surveying for some of the areas that don't have storm water infrastructure. So one of the things we're going to do is take this stuff
take the storm water underground. >> Can you point to this TV up here so we can >> So we're going to take the storm water if the storm is flowing this way. We're going to take the storm water underground and connect it to either pipes that are going north and south along the along the numbered streets or
if that doesn't exist, we'll have to make a decision to either not have storm water on that on that which I think Josh is probably not your preference. Um but probably have a right now we're planning to have an inlet here in here collect that with storm water that be water from
buildings, water that's flowing north. Um and then um see there's existing pipes here and if those don't exist, we'll have to pipe it um to the FO rideway. Um so if um if that's the case, we may need to pick up some additional
um surveying to to do that. Um and then one other thing, Josh, you want you want me to touch on the trash collection? So, we we did meet with uh waste management and they were and you I'm sure you guys are very familiar with it. When you walk down
through there, there's a lot of just single trash cans out there and it just kind of makes it look a little a little messy. So, one of the things that we're looking at is having a single point of trash collection on each block. And Waste Management was um um they were
agreeable to that. Um they're going to get their money. They made it quite clear they're going to make their money either way. Um, so it's a matter of identifying a spot on each block for that and maybe it's two spots per block. You know, we'll work with that. But that's going to take some coordination with the with the with those businesses because we have to have buyin from them.
We don't want to do something that's super inconvenient for them. But at the same time, we do want to clean up that that alleyway and make it uh make it look a lot prettier and kind of declutter it. So, that's that's kind of where we're at with that. >> Now, the design it's has changed since
it went to the council, right? Just for my clarification, how did they change it to where Didn't they change where the sidewalk and where the >> dra stayed the same as >> Yeah, it was that that first layout which had the elevated sidewalk. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And if I can, so you know, Brian had
mentioned that that I task him with trying to figure out a way to provide storm water. We don't have storm water collection uh there now in a managed way. U so it it it's not necessarily my desire. Ultimately, it's up to this board and to the council to to determine that. Um, but my direction to him
obviously through the beginning of this was to try to make a total improvement uh so that way it not only looks good, but it functions better than it does today. So, and I think and Brian could can maybe define this a little further. The
challenge with the storm water conveyance is whether or not that tie-in is going to be allowed through those numbered streets at the FDOT system. If not, then we're in this exfiltration situation
which requires a lot of space. Um, we have a limited amount of space already, but now we're adding underground utilities on top of adding large excfiltration pipes. So it can be very difficult to try to manage all that and establish a clear zone as I understand.
>> Yeah, abs. Absolutely. And if we're making this pedestrian friendly, I mean, the other option is to just keep it all at the all the storm water at the surface, which is what happens now. Um, but on some of those blocks, that's quite a bit of of of storm water. And if you're making this pedestrian friendly, then you don't want to have, you know, people walking through a lot, you know,
deep water. >> Okay. >> All right. Looks good. Okay. Thank you. So, you know, basically just to summarize, a lot of work left to do on this. They are working on it. Uh, this is what they've kind of come up with, and the good news is there's a a solid plan to move this thing forward.
>> Great. Awesome. That's exciting. >> All right. Next on the agenda. >> All right. So, the next item I have is an update on theou, the memorandum of understanding, and the MOA, memorandum of agreement for the code fine, uh, lean reduction and abatement. So, as you may recall, you all approved back in June of
this year those instruments that would provide for the memorialization of the code fine lean reduction to 2500 and then for us to fund abatements in accordance with our annual budgeting process. You all did set aside 55,000 or
excuse me 50,000 for that abatement process. The the MOA theou was taken to the council on the 13th for their consideration and they did approve that. So I just wanted to give you an update on that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. So the last item I have on
the agenda is request direction on allocation of unspent revenues from fiscal year 25. Uh so through the auditing process, uh the auditor has given direction to city finance to go ahead and have the calculated unspent
revenues allocated prior to full reconciliation. So, uh, in that exercise, uh, Miss Danielle has identified an additional 1,66,456 and unspent revenues from fiscal year 25 that will need to be allocated in
accordance with 163387. Uh, this amount is in addition to the $870,3 that we already incorporated into that fiscal year 26 budget. Uh that number that $1,66,456 uh will adjust as reconciliation is
finalized, invoices are paid, things of that nature. Uh but the auditor gave her direction. As such, she gave me direction to bring this to this board and asked for consideration on where you want to allocate those funds. >> Okay. Open the floor here. We've uh
we've got several projects that we know we are going to need the money for. So um >> where are the uh the amphitheater and alleyway fund sitting at right now? >> There it is right here on this >> 954. >> 954 in the amphitheater and uh wrestling
drive redevelopment 22 226. >> Where is the alleyway? Is that >> above >> streetscape 723? Yeah. And and keep in mind so so in your packet is where you all had previously designated those funds out of those other fiscal year
revenues. Uh so that amount that is representative in the fiscal year 26 budget includes some of that money that has already been designated accordingly. So in other words account you will have uh what is that
554,000 100,000 oh 554 184 in that account? >> Which one? >> The amphitheater account. >> Oh, so the others parts been spent already. You're saying? >> Nope. So in that account, so we have
budgeted $954,184. Of that amount, $554,184 was from unspent revenues in fiscal year 24. >> So we haven't we have 954. >> We have a total of um but but some of that is from unspent revenues in those
in that previous fiscal year of fiscal year 24 >> but does not have anything to do with this 1,66. >> That is correct. >> Correct. So, and this may be a stupid question, Clay, but when when we're repaying the debt, will it have to come from these accounts that are designated
for these improvements? >> No, because we're going to have a separate account designated for the debt repayment. >> Could these accounts be used for it? That's also a yes, but it doesn't have to come from. >> So, like, so like uh just say if we
said, "Okay, we're going to put this on the amphitheater project. We're going to put another million66 in the amphitheater project. All that could be spent for the amphitheater project. >> Absolutely. >> Except if the debt repayment, but so if we wanted to use a portion of that for
the debt repayment, could we use that or how would that work? >> Yeah, absolutely. I believe you will be able to do that. That's you're pledging your future revenues, but they don't care where you pay it from. >> Got it. >> You know, our statute cares where you pay it from. What I would say is in all likelihood there will be a category or a
bucket dedicated to debt service repayment that will go into your budget. >> Okay? >> You will allocate the money there as your covenanted. But also I guess I am somewhat speaking out of turn because I don't know that the bank's final covenant would say it that way, but most
do most require there be an obligation line showing obligation of funds for that purpose. Now, can you transfer money from one fund into that to pay it down? Yes, you absolutely have that option. Got it. Okay, cool. All right, so everybody, what would y'all like to
see this? Would y'all like to see it go into one or would y'all like to see it go into multiple? >> Let me, if I may provide some guidance here. So, if you all are to allocate the entirety of that amount into a particular account unless that project
is canceled, that money is restricted to that particular project. So in other words, if you spent uh or if you allocate rather that entire amount and something happens uh in the event of the rest of the year, that money cannot be moved into another account.
>> Okay? So it >> once it goes there, it's there unless the unless the project's canceled allgether. >> So in my mind, you need to be looking at two. You need to be looking at at the alleyways, you need to be looking at the amphitheater. Those are the two that we know we're going to do.
So, >> and Crescent, right? I mean, >> yeah, Crescent. But I'm just saying, say something happened and the CIA disband. I mean, I'm just going some theoretical craziness, but I'm just saying still, >> well, streetscape and alleyway is a lot
more broad than just the alleyway. >> Yeah. So, let's just say the alleyway project, let's just say he said, "Oh my god, I ran into uh some something crazy. You couldn't do it now." Then at least you could redirect that >> within the streetscaping project. Yes.
>> And the amphitheater I think is there. So it's not like it's it's we're you're going to do something with it. So I think you're still safe there. That's what >> if the project is canceled, it's canceled. Then you know you have some some flexibility there. But as long as it's on the books, as long as you're moving forward, that money will then be
allocated to that particular project. >> Right. Mr. Irvin, if I can ask, I'm going to put you on the spot here. You and I haven't talked about this. with the variability of some of the proposals of the alleyway project we've seen in terms of different options vaults versus just conduit things of that nature of
the projects we're talking about is that the one that has the most cost variability to you at this point I know we just went through a bunch of designs but in terms of having a decent idea where is the biggest cost variables >> well I I think based on the uh opinion of probable cost uh for the alleyway
improvement project we're sitting north of 4 million today. >> Your call, guys. But if there we're talking about that and we're talking about variability in that range and you're talking about borrowing $5 million, does it make sense to split this money or does it make sense to put it to the
one big target? >> I think it makes sense to put it to the one big target. >> It's your call. But I would say this, you're not going to move it out of the amphitheater unless you deobligate the amphitheater by canceling that project. >> I'm going to make a motion we move it to
the streetscapes alleyway. Second. >> Okay. So, streetscapes alleyway. Any discussion? So, no. Everybody's good with that. Not >> the motion. Second. >> And and just to clarify, so that is
moving these unspent revenues from fiscal year 25 in the amount of 1,66,456 to the alleyway streetscape 5310 account. >> Yes. So on on blighted parcel acquisition, it it that that's limited to blighted parcels, right? Like so if
the buildings in front of the amphitheater were available to be acquired to incorporate them somehow into that project, they're talking about buildings across the street that wouldn't qualify under. >> So the blighted partial acquisition is just an operating account. Y
>> that money has not been allocated from previous unspent revenues. So that money could could really be moved however you would like. Uh it could be retitled. If you didn't like lighted partial acquisition, you could name it what whatever fund. Um so it that money is there to be moved and to be used for
really however you want throughout the operating uh year. >> And the good news now that you have this agreement with the city, it's kind of a no-brainer to keep that money in there because there'll be something that pops up that we can probably acquire. And with that discounted code enforcement
lean ability, yeah, >> will give us, you know, some >> ability to do stuff. So, all right. So, let's let's vote on this. Uh, all in favor of moving the 1,66 and uh >> $66,456
>> in unspent revenue >> revenues to the alleyways streetscapes account. Say I. I. All oppose say nay. Motion carries. Four up. >> All right. That's all I have. All right. >> Sorry for the long agenda. >> Let's see. What else do we have? Is there something about you? Do you have
something you wanted to say? You want >> uh I didn't write it down because it's more fun to not write it down. Um it's nothing scary. Clay, don't worry. Calm down. Uh special presentation is I got Josh a cake. Uh Josh is going to be leaving us soon and uh based on the way
the city council meets going, I wanted to make sure he got his cake before he left. So, uh I brought to this meeting instead of the next one. Thank you for doing that, Rob. >> I'll let Josh go look at his cake and he can cut it and pass it out. And y'all want cake, stick around.
>> Well, I I just say I appreciate you doing that. You know, it's been a pleasure serving this board. Hadn't been easy at times as we're all aware. Um but I I I will truly miss working with you all. Uh I'm excited to know that this organization is in the condition and position that it is. Got a lot of good
uh projects in the queue. As I was updating the website the other day, I I began to really understand just how much work we have done here recently. Uh we have a lot to be thankful for. Um and you know, I'm I'm forever grateful for the opportunity and and certainly for the support that this board has has
poured into me. Uh and you know, I'm no stranger. I will still be around uh still be living here and probably be more involved in in the day-to-day, you know, on my on my time off. So, uh appreciate you you thinking of me in that way, Rob. And and it means a lot. So, with that, let's eat some cake.
>> Thank you. Thank you, Rob, for buying the cake. And thank you, Josh. Uh, any public comments? Okay, we got a public comment. >> Oh, real quick, shout out to Caramel Cow who made that cake because their cakes are probably the best in town. >> Nice. >> Session three of our workshops went well. Uh, it was on the history of our
town. We had lots of slides. Um, and we've had more comments and calls and emails about that from people who didn't come because they heard word from people who did. So, >> awesome. >> We're going to continue that next time. >> And if you would state your name,
please, because I >> Melinda Henderson, >> everybody knows you. Is that >> We're going to continue that next time. >> When's the next? >> January the 22nd. We're taking the time off for the holidays. >> Great. Thank you. Any other public comments? Okay. If not, then we'll uh
>> motion >> take a motion to adjourn at 6:43. >> Second. >> Done. >> All right. >> Let them eat cake. >> Cut the cake. >> Cut the cake.
>> I was surprised you didn't come back.